Sad Boyz - 2018 Predictions

Episode Date: January 13, 2018

It's 2018, so naturally the Nostradami (that's the plural of Nostradamus if you were wondering) hazard some optimistic (and pessimistic) guesses about what will happen in the new year.  But first, we give a brief history of the Lonely Island because of course we do, we do some shoutouts to our amazing listeners, and Jarvis talks about how crappy it feels to promote his stuff (which reminds me please leave us a review on itunes)  In the topic, we discuss (without spoiling our predictions) Logan Paul, Black Panther and diversity (or lack thereof) in Hollywood, cross-cultural music phenomena like gangam style and despacito, and finally justin timberlake's upcoming album.  As always, we get weird, but new in this episode we get pretty heated while talking about some of the topics, so be sure to listen!

I'm a president to represent me Sad boys Oh 2018 Yo Jordan you mind if I go in first on this one? Yeah hit em Yeah yeah Sad boys like to talk about our feelings And we have a mission for you if the listener is willing

With your help we can reach the ceiling We can reach the high moon by noon With your review on iTunes Fly like balloons and make it into outer space But there's a certain set of stars you have to set in place My homeboys cut into the chase You said you could do this. I'm trying my best. I spent a couple weeks reading these lyrics. Are they not good?

You don't like it so far? But one more Give me one more Let me do it again Just one more For 2018 Fine you got one more You got one more chance

Just don't fuck it up this time Here it comes I got a good one I got some bars I got fire It's all you It's all you One

Two Three Four Five Bars Lose yourself in the moment That's Lose Yourself by Eminem It's close

It is very close And I can see why you'd think It was Lose yourself by eminem it's close it is very close and i can see why you'd think it was lose yourself exactly the song so far yes and for most yeah it is just it is just lose yourself by eminem welcome to the sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also i'm jarvis and i'm 2018 yes that's correct we're joined with a guest today it was very hard to book you. It took us roughly... Almost a year. Almost a year. Honestly, 365 days.

It took us 365 days to book our guest today. We are joined by the year 2018. Hi, I'm the year 2018, and I have some crazy shit. It's going to blow your mind. Wait, could you tell us any of that? I honestly can't. Oh, wait. Oh, no. Is it like a... You, specifically Jarvis, you're not going to like it. No. I've been a good boy. Honestly,

if karma was real, you would be living a perfect life. Unfortunately, it isn't. And a lot of the things that could happen to you. That's unfortunate. Don't want to get into too much detail. I've got a dash anyway. In 2018 I've got to let Jordan do the show instead because we only have two microphones right now. So you've got to go? Yeah, I've got a dash. It's been really nice being here have two microphones right now. So you've got to go?

Yeah, I've got to dash. It's been really nice being here. I'll be around for a while. It took us so long to... Yep, not important to me. I have to go and set up a bunch of pretty abhorrent things that are going to happen to you and your friends over the next 365 days. We do only have two mics, so... Do you... You think politics is bad right now.

I don't want to get into it. No, come on. Satan would like to have a little go at this whole American politics thing. So we're going to work on that together. Oh my God. And Jarvis, you are going to die. No. But don't worry.

It is painfully. Oh my God. So that's covered. But I, okay. Got to go. Anyway, catch you later, mate. Bye. Man.

Okay. Who was that? I hate Jordan. Hey, I you later, mate. Bye. Oh, man. Okay. Who was that? Hey, Jordan. Hey, man. Sorry, I'm 2019. I'm just kidding. It was Jordan. It was Jordan this whole time?

It was me the whole time. God damn. Hi, everybody. I'm Jordan Cope. Oh, my gosh. Jordan and I today are going to be talking about the new year, 2018, and specifically our 2018 predictions. Yeah, I think if there's one thing we're known for,

it's being kind of like cultural overseers. We're the Nostradami of podcasts. Plural. Yeah. The Nostradami. Yeah, watch the conjugation, my man. Is that a school of Nostradamis swimming through the ocean? Yeah.

It sounds like something from The Lonely Island. We make a school of nostradamus swimming through the ocean yeah it sounds like something the lonely island we make a song about nostradamus yeah incredibly niche and for nobody and gets a billion views how could this be how do they do it can we take a hot second and talk about how important the lonely island was to both of us i assume oh so important we've actually never talked about it which is weird i don't think we ever talked is weird yeah no i the lonely island are are pretty instrumental in formulating a lot of my comedic sensibilities anybody unfamiliar uh they are you're probably familiar with andy sandberg yes sort of the front man of this rap trio this comedy rap trio yes originally formed from from snl well yeah so actually the the lonely island are a group of three people, Akiva Schaffer,

Jorma Tacone and Andy Sandberg. They were just childhood friends in Berkeley, California. So very near to us. Yeah. And they can smell them. Yeah. And they made videos on the internet pre YouTube back in 2004, 2005 on the lonely island island.com and like bizarrely well-made videos well they're very well made and i it's like hard to tell what their influences are because internet sketch was it in its infancy yeah but they were clearly like a bleeding edge of that but they are like the jrr tolkien of comedy rap and comedy music on the internet yeah so essentially the story goes that the story goes that they did a pilot with Fox called Awesome Town. Yes. And it didn't really go anywhere, but it was like a sketch

comedy pilot. Very similar in format to Key and Peele actually. And then that didn't go. Andy Sandberg auditioned for SNL. I think they all auditioned for SNL. And Akiva and Yorma joined as writers and Andy as a featured player on snl so then they just became the lonely island as we know them and were responsible for uh from 2006 on like some of the or they were their second sketch was lazy sunday yeah one of the iconic sketches they that really set the tone for digital shorts on snl from like 2005 onward and then they just kept knocking it out of the park with dick in a box jizz in my pants uh just like one after one oh i'm on a boat classically i'm on a boat which was their first major feature got t-pain on that bad boy so they had justin timberlake on dick in a box who arguably a much bigger celebrity i don't know what you mean. Now, let me get back to T-Pain and his four songs.

But no, like, they made a name for themselves in parody because their parody music was as well produced as, you know, stuff that was on the radio. Yeah, I should mention, I think an inspiration for us both, not only as comedians, but also as musicians. Like, my music tastes are heavily uh influenced by the first two albums yeah literally like the production is like as its own joke incredibly high quality it's like this fun meta joke that hey we made this goofy comedy

album and it sounds as good as any contemporary pop music yeah and i think it also speaks to our addiction to production quality that, like, we want to... I think that they just, like, set such a great standard for production quality. Yeah, and it speaks to why we are both so lonely. It's true. And why I am currently on an island, also known as your bed. You are on my bed. So we switched up a little bit.

Dedicated listeners will know that the normal format is me reclined on my bed we record in my home i try not to but jarvis punches down the door every day with the recording sitting on his throne of a bed and jarvis in the corner of a closet somewhere yeah optimistically optimistically just within earshot if you're lucky i let you sit in the closet most of the time you're sat on the floor next to my bed with D.Va, my cat, rubbing up against you and distracting you. It's true. D.Va, Jordan's cat, is very aggressive. Yeah. So D.Va has employed an interesting petting strategy.

In most cases when you pet a cat, it's kind of up to you. Like you put your arm out, you stroke the cat, and the cat appreciates it. To D.Va, you are simply an implement implement a tool of petting and she will pet herself against you that's true like diva lunged into me in order to pet herself yeah she's she's surprisingly strong yeah i kind of knock you back she was able to lift me for the front two paws she bench pressed me four times bench pressed me yeah so jordan it's 2018 sure is and we actually celebrated new year's together you know he celebrated christmas and new year's in a way together yeah in a literal way yeah we literally did do that yes in a way by which i mean

we when you earnestly spend that time if you think about it in a way when we spent new year's together we did in some senses spend it in a group like together in some small way when we were together when the clock struck midnight for christmas and then parted ways and then met up again on christmas day to see star Wars. And then again for New Year's, much in the same way, you might say that we spent those holidays together. You would. I wouldn't. But you would, again.

Yeah, I would. Mostly because my life is defined by trying my best to build relationships with people and them just pushing me away. Yeah. And most specifically, me. It's actually... Your life is defined by trying to get my approval and me not giving it to you. Exclusively you. approval exclusively you no it's a burden same for me i'm constantly trying to get my own approval so we talked on the last episode about how the new year is a great palate cleanser it's a great you know clean wipe to get us thinking about like a fresh start so i want to ask you jordan

it's we've completed one week of uh of 2018 what is your we've, we've completed one week of 2018. We've 100%ed this one week of 2018. We've completed one week of 2018. And what I want to hear from you is what is your mental state in this new year? To be totally honest, and I find this a little bit hard to divorce from the general excitement of a new year. Right. So take it with a grain of nay, a big rock of salt. Got it, rock salt.

A big rock of rock salt. I feel great. I mean, on the last episode, as you know, I was not in the healthiest spot mental health-wise, and we talked a little bit about that, and I apologize to the audience for compromising the show as a result, but not only was that episode just a total blast and turned my frown upside down, it was very painful. That was mostly my doing.

Yeah, you grabbed me by the face. I grabbed you by the face and twisted your head around with some help from Diva. You didn't so much turn my frown upside down as my head, which looked a bit like a smile. I didn't so much turn your frown upside down as I did rip your face off of your skull. Yeah, which in turn made me frown harder. But I felt, yeah, I felt really positive for the last week or so.

I was a little sick earlier in the week, but that all sort of plateaued into, suddenly it's Wednesday morning, I have all my energy back and I'm not sick anymore and I'm in the office and I'm doing stuff. And that felt nice. I think if you're anything like me, I appreciate the value of a vacation.

Right. And I know why it's good for me. Yes. And I appreciate maybe the first five days. Right. Then tick tock, cabin fever's here. Hi, here to stay. Absolutely.

And I've just been like that for like a week and a half over the Christmas period. So it was nice to be proactive and yeah, feeling pretty positive. When I get myself goals in a structure, I don't feel a cabin fever as much, but sometimes I feel like I need to do nothing. And a few days of doing nothing and I'm like, why would anyone ever do nothing? This is the worst thing in the world. What about stuff?

I feel so lucky that I can even have a life that allows me to oscillate between oh yeah nothing doing something it's stupid privilege huge yeah definitely it's it's amazing but i tell you one thing that actually made me very happy yeah when i was feeling a little cabin feverish yeah those messages that we received from the sad boys gang fam yeah that's true still haven't really aligned on what the name is that's still open to debate no one said anything about the sad fam. That's not true. Oh, is that not true?

Young Neil McCarthy. Neil, thank you for listening. Neil. Young Neil threw out a bunch of interesting recommendations. But for now, I'm going to stick with sad fam only because it's already established in the law. Check the sad boys wiki. It's in there. But we got the most, by a pretty significant margin the most like

replies yeah we got a lot of responses most messages and engagement after an episode ever yeah it was it was cool to see people uh react to some of the the shout outs that we left them on the show which i also need to say uh christian what's up man young christian how you doing and if i may give a bonus shout out yeah it's gotta be sarah lamb yes you know it's sarah lamb oh my god sarah i have no qualms about saying this even to the rest of the fam that i love yes by far the most engaged fan yeah like message every episode i i i am learning so much in in now for full context like sarah is someone that you know from school my former roommate at college, yes. Yes.

And it's like we've never met in person, but I feel like I'm getting to learn so much about. And yet you've connected more than we ever did. Yeah. The love she has for you on the podcast. She doesn't really like me. We're actually starting a podcast. Sadder boys. It's me and a British person a british person from stroud

too sad too for us yeah uh yeah what if i was doing both i think it's weird i don't know this one with sarah lamb is doing much better you didn't tell me yeah just getting tons of traction i keep getting like accidental tweets to the sad boys they have me on the tonight show to do five minutes of podcasting god is it five minutes of podcasting zero editing wow uncompelling wow how incredible i just cannot believe the real connection that these this this american boy and this this british woman from strab it's just incredible sarah lamb's gonna beat me up if i don't clarify that she's not from strab she's from swindon sorry oh yeah she is from swindon you know that you know i know that uh because uh i follow her john green is obsessed with uh well he's obsessed with football or soccer and is he part of the swindon massive no he's not uh he's he's a fan of afc wimbledon but

like uh i think when he played a simulator or he played some FIFA game. Football manager? He played football manager or FIFA or something, and he had a team name that was like the Swindon Town Swoodley Boobers. Dude, that's it. That's the exact name. It's the Swindon Town Swoodley Boobly Doobers. Each one of their plays is a cartoon character. Yeah. each one of their plays is a cartoon character yeah um so i i i do apologize because i remember

seeing swindon in her facebook so now i'm now i'm a little sad sorry sarah finally we're sad boys yeah i'm an actual sad boy in this moment that is criticism we received i think after like episode one and two people like we well we've done a bad job of contextualizing what the show was we were like you don't seem very sad completely literally like i don't it's like i i can see that you misspelled boys how embarrassing i can't believe you don't have the self-awareness second you don't seem sad at all thumbs down minus one star yeah i came here to listen because i'm very into schadenfreude and I just want to hear boys cry. I've heard when doves cry and I'm ready for boys. I'm ready for boys to cry.

And for one, I'm also an English major. The fact that you put a Z at the end of that word upsets me. So yeah, big thank you to all the sad boys. Fam, gang, lovers, intimate partners, whatever we're calling them. I kind of like sad boys, intimate partners. The significant others others The sad boys Significant others That's pretty good

I kind of like that Also significant others Is a good name for a podcast And a band Okay People listening Go create art Yeah go go go

Go do the art We don't have time There are like A hundred people Who had been waiting For a name All the They had all the ideas and they just needed a name. Is there a repository for band names?

I feel like that's a cool piece. I think there's like a random band name generator. A good, a good friend of mine that we've referenced on the podcast before and is listening right now. Hello, Tyler May. Hey,

Tyler. Young Tyler May. His podcast is Mr. Feels. Go check it out. Check it out. It's a podcast about mental health and it's an excellent podcast. Super good. And it's also got Laura Benson. It does have young it out. Check it out. It's a podcast about mental health. And it's an excellent podcast about mental health. Super good. And it's also got

Laura Benson. It does have young Laura Benson. Everybody's favorite. Everybody's favorite. But Tyler May has at this point, and he's probably going to get mad at me because I'm going to undersell the number, but I think he has a list on his phone of 700 band names. Oh yeah. Something close to that. He does do that.

We're going to do an episode with Tyler at some point in the future. Now that he has this peer pressure that we need to get from the listeners. Yes. Tell us some of them on the podcast, Tyler. Talk about those names. Because some of them are absolute gold. Also, if you don't mind, I'm going to give the listeners homework. Oh.

What's a bad band name? A bad band name? You want like an objectively not good band name? Sorry. I mean, just give me any band name that you think is an earnestly good name for a band here's the reason why oh god javis is saying that because he knows anything you said will be terrible no but what i mean is that like if you earnestly think it's good it's actually hard to put yourself out there yeah if you oh that's a good point you know what i mean the more sad boys homework would be to send the one that you really genuinely

connect with exactly exactly like like oh uh uh Other, I think, is a good name for a band. That's good. Someone else might think it's like really cheesy, right? And I am putting myself out there by saying, co-signing it. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's a pretty great name for an album. I mean... When Jarvis Johnson inevitably drops his pure fire mixtape...

You know I'm actually going to do that at some point in my life. What, 100%? And it's going to be called Significant Other and you heard it here first yeah uh i i feel like this is not my year of music jordan uh maybe that's 2019 and i'm trying to find 2019 i really don't want him to come back somewhere he's a cruel man something about my rebirth he was bluffing um but we are currently in 2018 well that's a perfect segue because today we're going to talk a little bit about what your 2018 is going to be yes but before we do that young jarvis how the hell are you doing uh how's your health how's your brain i think i'm doing good um i've been having some like peaks and valleys lately mostly uh just related to like how i see myself in the world

and feeling very like undeserving of the things that I want and strive for. Like, cause I, I, I feel like in 2018, I'm like hitting the ground running on a lot of the things that I like want to achieve. I'm going like headfirst into YouTube. I'm going headfirst into like work. And I am starting to get that like imposter feeling where I'm like putting myself out there. And the response I'm getting is, you know, pretty good. And like, by all accounts, objectively good and great. But I'm able to see the negative in it. And I'm like, oh, am I am I overloading my friends with stuff?

Do they think all I want to do is like promote my internet content or all i want to talk about is work on social media like do you feel like there's sorry to interrupt only because we i mean we've talked about this in the past from from both perspectives i've shared the same thing with you certain insecurities around like wanting to uh in some cases promote like sad boys or in some cases just like utilize friendships as a you know as a thing that's always a little concerning to both of us yeah yeah but i'm curious is that is there a catalyst for that or does that just ebb and flows randomly i think um because you don't always feel like that am i right i don't always feel like that i think what happens is um i'll be putting

something out that i really believe in and then just due to the like internet gods, maybe organically, it doesn't like pop off instantly. And then I feel like I need to do whatever I can to make sure that the eyes that I feel like should get on the thing, get on the thing. And that involves me putting myself out there and having like a lot of uncomfortable conversations. Like, oh, if I like post this on Reddit,

like would you upvote it? Or like oh if i like post this on reddit like would you upvote it or like are you comfortable sharing this or you know and that puts me in a place that i don't like to be in i would feel most comfortable if like my stuff just like like did fine on its own which it does to a certain extent but i am ultimately like trying to i guess it's the hustle of like trying to grow and you know believing in what you're doing but not knowing the right way and not knowing the answer and also not wanting to exploit your relationships with people and i don't feel like i'm doing that but at the same time yeah you're not doing it but you can feel concerned about it yeah if anything i think that's a showcase of your like hyper empathy you're so worried that for a moment you could be like inconveniencing someone or

misrepresenting yourself that the moment that there's even a spark of that you know palpitations heart attack oh my god yeah yeah it's it it really is just a function of like knowing i need to play the game uh and and just not being comfortable doing that. I know not everybody like just goes viral when they first start and it like works out for them. I know that some people have to like just dig in and try and like make it happen for themselves. And I'm trying to do that, but I'm not comfortable with the identity of that. Right. The process is a little uncomfortable. Do you find that that same insecurity manifests in areas outside of your creative output?

Or is your creative output just like such a microcosm of intensity and emotion that it happens like constantly there? I think that it happens similarly from different causes. Like at work, if I don't feel like things are going well for like a long enough period of time, then I will start to feel like that. Like I'll start to feel like an imposter. I'll start to feel undeserving because what I didn't get at is that like when I am putting myself out there with promoting my stuff,

I'm like, well, maybe it isn't that good. Maybe it is unworthy. Right. I mean, you're talking about the practical version of validation, right? Like if somebody validates, they're validating that that wasn't a mistake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And so, and so, yeah, I'm generally, you know, I used to be someone who

was like very externally validated and I basically couldn't do anything without anyone's approval. And I think that now I'm a lot more internally validated, but I still have that monitor of external validation where if enough time goes by without the like external validation that I hope to gain, um, either through work stuff or through creative stuff, then I start to challenge my initial assumptions. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And so I'm like, Oh, maybe I'm not, maybe this thing isn't going well at work or maybe this content isn't that good. Or, you know, in dating and stuff, it happens as well, where I'm like, oh, well, you know, I think that I'm like a nice person. And I think that I'm like deserving of something. But if things aren't

going well, sometimes I go, oh, well, maybe you aren't who you think you are. Maybe you aren't deserving of this. And I don't think it's healthy to have those thoughts, but I do have those thoughts. And I think ultimately I'm working on pushing through that and making sure as long as I'm true to myself, it's going to be fine. Can I challenge you on that? Yes. Can I very sad boys brand challenge you on that?

I don't know if I agree that it's bad to have those thoughts, but I think you're teetering on the same perspective as me, which is, yeah, have the thought and then process it healthily. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because avoiding that kind of insecurity, I think, is what can lead certain, not only creative types, but people in general to become kind of self-absorbed because you don't need validation externally because everything you do is amazing. And how could I make any mistakes? You become the Logan Paul. That's exactly right. I right i don't who's that has he done something recently that maybe people are a little peeved about yeah no i can't even imagine uh but we'll get into that

we talk about 2018 but um like i think it's completely healthy if not especially healthy to identify that insecurity in yourself yeah and then the hard part or like the art is dealing with it. Yeah. Processing it. I think I only ever admire people who don't have that monitor to, to the, to the point of fault where I'm like morbidly, I wish like when I see Kanye West or something,

or like, you know, you're Logan and Jake Paul. As you often do, you'll be hanging at Yeezy's house. Yeah. And Jake Paul will be there. Paul will be there staring at him. Yeah. But it's like, I, your logan and jake paul as you often do you'll be hanging at yeezy's house yeah and jake paul will be there paul will be there staring at him yeah but it's like i um i almost admire the sheer

force of like will and self-confidence that they have even though i know that it's like to a degree that is now harmful it's like crossed over into being an unhelpful degree i sometimes lack that self confidence like when i'm at my low points i'm like man it must be nice to be completely to not give a flying fuck about other people's opinions um i'm so curious about that because i think it's like a two-sided sword right absolutely no and i think we're totally in alignment with that but but the thing that sticks out to me is like hey hey, yeah, maybe Kanye and Logan Paul and Jake Paul and that whole rabbit. I will say Kanye and Logan Paul,

I do not mean to draw an equivalency between those two people. In this particular arena. In this particular, of this is what happens when you have an extreme amount of confidence and no one checking you. So like, I mean, to me, it's almost synonymous to describe somebody as having an infinite amount of confidence at least in like these kind of discussions as it

would be to say that somebody just has a lack of empathy or like self-critiquing yeah like the idea that somebody else could dislike what you're doing or you being insecure about something is not inherently negative and to lack that i guess does have the benefit of not questioning what you put at what cost right at the cost of being able to engage with human beings yeah yeah no it totally is and it's a grass is greener type situation where i'm like so many things are going well for me that i wouldn't change much but in that position when i'm like feeling really down i'm like like, must be nice. It only highlights the, it only highlights what I, it only highlights what I'm missing or what I'm still working on. But yeah, my 2018, uh, ultimately is positive. We are officially five days deep into 2018. Yes.

And I, you know, I talked about in the last episode, uh, we talked about cleaning house and that's something that I've been trying to practice a lot, actually. Great. And I have been literally cleaning my house. And I have gotten some new things to make my apartment homey. And I'm really excited this weekend about installing them. And my place is already feeling like more mine. What did you get to make it homey? Just like a little like floating shelf for my room. Some pillows for my couches.

Some like throws. New bedding for my that's so wholesome yeah it is it is uh i i've been talking to jordan about getting some fake plants i have some some real plants shout out to listener uh maya there's two of you you have no idea which one this is but you're my favorite but you're my favorite uh i came over and brought me sunflowers which are like sitting in my my living room okay i think the maya might know which one it is now no they have no idea yeah i i texted one and i was like bring a sunflower can't explain why that's just made the whole place look nice on the flip side my apartment is covered in shipping

boxes so i need to get rid of those in order for it to like ultimately look nice i am convinced that the reason that amazon has that logo that looks like a smiley face yeah because they want to engender as much positivity as possible while the boxes sit in your home oh my god i have uh four amazon boxes downstairs right now i would pay so much money for and i know that this is a thing that does actually exist but it like is too expensive to just say, hey, I've got a bunch of Amazon boxes. We all know you can just recycle those. My trash room is a hot mess right now. Could you just come like Uber for recycling?

Just come and live with me. Could you just come and take these things away? Because it would make both of our lives better. It would make the world better. I feel like if we could find some kind of way to consolidate Amazon boxes, specifically Amazon boxes, just some way to do something. I feel like we could solve a disease of some kind. Like the power we have over the number of Amazon boxes we've owned throughout our lives. It feels like such a waste, right?

We should, you know what we should have done. What should we have done? We should have built a fort, Jarvis. A fort out of the Amazon boxes. We've had all the pizzas. That's... You know, you're right. I tell you what,

all these Amazon boxes that I throw away are going to be a priceless commodity in the post-apocalypse. That's true. You're going to wear armor with these boxes.

You've got one on your head. A lot of people don't know that the Amazon box is a radiation proof. Yeah, who knew? It's one of their benefits. The smiley face side bounces the radiation away.

If you have Prime. Yeah, if you get that Great showman uh commercial on the box yeah you're fine yeah but if you if you just like casually order from amazon and pay the shipping fee bye bye it's over for you get out of my way i've got to catch that train! Carolyn! Carolyn! Don't go! Angelo? Is that you? I couldn't let you leave without just telling you something, Carolyn. I love you! I love you more than the stars in the sky!

Wow, Angelo, I'm flattered. Please, you can't leave without telling me how I can stay in touch with you. Can I send you a letter? Send you an email? Well, I'm really just on Twitter. That's great. Tell me your handle. I'll follow you. You can follow me. I'll be able to DM you. It's at Sad Boys Pod. Okay, I'm just going to write... Sorry, did you say it was at Sad Boys Pod?

Yeah, my DMs are open. Right, but it's not your account, right? That's like the show with the two guys? They let me share it because I can't afford a Twitter of my own. Right. You know that Twitter is free. You can just make an account. It doesn't cost any money. I don't have time to explain, man.

Look, it trains the party. It literally costs no money. You can just get it free. You can just get it free. It's a free service. So we're five days into 2018, and I thought it would be fun if we did some predictions. Yeah. So here's how it's going free service. So we're five days into 2018, and I thought it would be fun if we did some predictions. Yeah. So here's how it's going to work.

We're each going to do a good and a bad prediction. Yes, and they're both going to be right. And they're both going to be correct. Let's not fuck around. We were thinking about doing a review at the end of the year. We don't need to. We know they're going to have it. We're just going to get it right the first time.

This is a new show now. Yeah. Now, we should mention, we don't know what the other person's good and bad thing are yes that's true i have no idea what you're gonna say uh we just decided to pick these things a good and bad thing we also have no idea what the stakes are no one of us could make one could be like about nuclear war the other could be about beanie babies the other could be either of mine yeah extremelyely low stakes. No, but I think we'll be good. I think we'll be on an even footing in terms of stakes. I think this is a fun cadence to set up.

I like the idea of us attempting without renaissance man brains, because, of course, we know about everything. Okay. Sorry, correction. I know about everything. There we go. To try and predict the events of the year. And right now, Jarvisvis Feeling pretty good about mine

How about we kick it off With the good Yeah let's kick it off With the good Are you ready You look raring to go I'm ready to fucking go Young man

Alright Good prediction For 2018 For 2018 Marvel's Black Panther Will be universally beloved And will do for African culture In western movie scenes

What Wonder Woman did For feminist empowerment In movie scenes in the West. Wow. I want that so bad. Wouldn't that just be the best? We should maybe reframe this, not good and bad,

optimistic and pessimistic. No, but like, I really do want that because honestly, like the black community is extremely excited about Black Panther. Yeah. Like Black Twitter is like, where can I pre-order black panther tickets you know bizarrely i didn't process that until i saw it in action like

i didn't think so when when wonder woman was initially announced and the casting was going so well and attached an interesting female director it was like in a very exciting project and i saw it like day one yes this is an important thing that's happening and it will clearly have an impact on the superhero genre yeah like ho like Hollywood has their head in their ass About like female directors Like Hollywood is Very male dominated This is like not news

To a ludicrous degree The number of like female directors on Blockbusters is like criminally low Yeah, to the I want to say 89 Academy Awards That we're into now There is a single Best Picture winner Female director winner in the 89 years And that's Catherine Bigelow for Hurt Locker

Yeah, and what made me so happy Like, you wanted Wonder Woman to be good Because you know that the people who are judging these things superficially If it didn't go, they're going to be like Well, that's what happens. I told you the whole time. That's what happens when you have characteristic about person that I don't like or characteristic about what a person I don't think is worthy. And now I've confirmed my bias.

And I was like, no, fuck you. Because the fact that Wonder Woman was like, okay, 90% of everything is crap. Like, I think we can agree that like, there's just a lot of bad things out there. Wonder Woman was like a breath of fresh air. Gal Gadot was, at this point, a national treasure of two nations. Comedically good casting. Like, not only perfect for the role, not only so good for the role, that she elevates a cast of other characters in Justice League that are atrocious.

Like, she's so good that it distracts you from an otherwise terrible movie. But she also is just the best. Yeah, she's just the best. Independent of the movie. And Patty Jenkins' direction was was awesome and so the fact that things just like worked out i was like yeah i was just like middle fingers to hollywood um yeah and also a middle finger uh and then on my other hand like a 45 sorry a 75 degree angle thumbs up which is like you fucked up mostly but this was pretty good hollywood step in the right

direction my friends yeah it's like you did allow this to happen so it's like it's like your dog that keeps pissing on the rug but it like catches the tennis ball you have a dog that pisses in the toilet and you're like well i i don't want you to piss in the toilet but that was kind of neat i uh it sucks that this is like the only female-led uh blockbuster of the the year yeah but it's neat that there's a female-led blockbuster right right and it's like what i what i hope will happen is that you can kind of break this trend in hollywood and now have more opportunities and more the problem with a small sample size and like confirmation bias is that like any one person is now carrying the entire weight yeah of of their of their background well whilst also trying to make a piece of art that wasn't easy to begin with yeah and it's like that's already hard like we have so many examples of these 200 million dollar like suicide squad is

a great example it's like i cannot tell you how much money went into suicide squad all in all between budget and advertising and everything it's got to be tell you how much money went into suicide squad all in all between budget and advertising and everything it's got to be in surplus of 300 million absolutely yeah no question especially from the dc powerhouses they're putting a lot of money into that and in the it's like anything can go bad and what what what pains me is that when it's like in a male dominated like organization it's just like oh it's just how it is. But then when, when you have a director that's like,

we also have a lot of, uh, like Ryan Coogler is the director of black Panther. And like, there are very few black directors. And like when, when a black director does a bad thing, it's like,

well, that's why we don't let black directors direct movies. And it's like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is plenty of evidence for that. Yeah. It's like you let green lantern happen is plenty of evidence for that. Yeah, it's like, you let Green Lantern happen? You let Suicide Squad happen?

Like, this is not... What upsets me is that just people are idiots, and, like, they will take these very superficial stimuli and run away with it as if it's some, like, gospel. Sure. And I'm just so proud of Wonder Woman because i fuck you to the hollywood patriarchy and it just did its own thing and it was great and it worked out and hopefully that just opens up more opportunities for more uh female directors you know another thing that's

really nice about wonder woman is that as somebody that's a little too personally pernickety about filmmaking particularly uh structure i get very fussy about structure wonder woman with the exception of not the most interesting third act i like literally can't remember anything about it i just remember the first two acts they're very compelling especially the uh storming the trenches and saving the small normandy town that kind of stuff very compelling yeah um wonder woman is not only a good movie amongst its contemporaries it's amongst the best movies in that sub-genre yes which is like you know you could have made a serviceable movie you could have made something that was pretty good basically just a carbon copy

of a proven formula with a new aesthetic yes and then we could have you could have won all the all the points all the diversity points and that would have been fine right for for dc they would have gotten ahead of marvel and people would have loved them but they also made like a genuinely insightful story about the nature of war and the nature of masculinity as it serves war that's like a hard thing to do yeah independent of doing it under a lot of pressure yeah and and i feel much in the same way about black Panther because Ryan Coogler came off Creed. Yeah. And Creed was great. Creed, again, Creed.

Wow. Could you set yourself up for more failure? Yes. Hey, I'm making this like pseudo sequel to a series of movies directed by a completely different set of people exclusively produced by white people. And much beloved in that community. Like now you're adding to the Rocky universe where it's like, have you met a Rocky fan? They all look like Rocky. I made fan

fiction so good that people like it more than most of the original movies. Like Creed is two Rocky fans considered like maybe of the top three. Yeah. And it's just like, I am so happy about that. Yeah. And I'm so proud of Michael B. Jordan, who happy about that yeah and i'm so proud of michael b jordan who's in creed and i'm so proud of chadwick boseman who's good gonna be black panther and and ryan coogler and it's so i'm i'm happy you chose this because i am equally as optimistic and hopeful because it's just one of those things where you can just kind of punch down the the expectations and the stereotypes and you can just like make a really, really positive impact on a very toxic Hollywood environment. out to those that actively fight, whether it be via social media or just their political preferences, that fight against the idea that all things should be represented in Hollywood.

Because in a small way, a very small way, I understand where the hesitation comes from. I understand where the hesitation comes from in the idea that all art should represent everyone. Because instinctually, a lot of people that don't necessarily have a diverse background or an inclusive background might think to themselves like, hey, it's just art. Just enjoy it for what it is. Just engage with the characters and the story.

And to be totally honest, there's been points in my life where even as a person of colour, I've thought, yeah, sure, why not? Like, you know, I'm like 14, 15. Art's just art. Just watch the show and imagine that the character's black, whatever. Imagine that the character's a woman. Imagine that the character is of a non-assigned gender. You know, just imagine these things.

Pretend. Why not? It's all made up. And then as I got older and as the major Hollywood machine started showcasing art that I could relate to, I realized what relating to movies was yeah it was like oh you guys had this the whole time you got this feeling with everything like we had to get really good at relating to white protagonists so before we could like move on and then like it's like people get mad at john boyega you know, for being in Star Wars.

And it's like, hold on. It's crazy because the passion that I feel on like this very instinctual level. And we should point out filmmaking and like art in general is not only about the text. If you take the literal text of a book or you take the literal shots and dialogue and casting of a movie and you just present it and you write it down in like an excel spreadsheet yeah that is not the same as experiencing the art as intended exactly so when you cast certain roles in certain ways you are in the same way that if you do a extreme close-up shot the connotations are different than a wide angle shot right when

you cast john bullieger instead of just casting i don't know ansel elgort yeah i don't know why he's my go-to white performer yeah i love you ansel elgort come on the show yeah it means so much more in in an intuitive way and to fight back against that like oh come on just imagine it's you know who cares It's all art. Let the creators do what they want. It's missing the point. Yeah. Because the point is that

you're infusing your artwork with something more insightful and more fundamentally powerful than what you wrote or what you directed. And the same goes for Kelly Marie Tran, who, regardless of your specific background, does showcase Asian representation

in Star Wars, which is something we haven't really gotten to engage with before yeah it's like there's a fandom around john cho because john cho like cannot for like that man have you seen john cho he should be a hollywood leading man yeah he's made of marble he's made of god i just want to look at him right now and the fact that like i think he's actually lead in a indie movie that I haven't seen. So I can't quite remember the name of it. But there's just so little of this representation.

And representation is so important. It is the name of the game. And that's the thing though, because it's hard to articulate why it matters. And I think that's why so much of the discourse has fallen away when it comes to like, oh, hey, don't rag on all this feminist propaganda with Wonder Woman. No, it's not just about representing feminism. And it should be. One of the most important developing facets of Wonder Woman as a character is that she was conceived as a representation of feminist values.

But also, it just means a lot for little five-year-old girls to go to the cinema and see them instead of the dude the one dude they've been seeing the entire time it's also so it's so immature when people have that backlash with wonder woman because they there's a double standard like it's not fair to say oh it's like what and like another black male protagonist yeah it's the tricky thing is and this is like uh we should move on because we've talked about one woman quite extensively but it's because we're both quite passionate about that i'm sure we could get a whole other discussion going but one of the things that i struggle with when it comes to evaluation of art

not only movies though it's very common with movies it's more common with video games my other deepest love and this is why it's such a point of pain, is that art is not a zero-sum game. Yes. When you include something else, you are not by necessity eliminating what came before. Yes. That is how a baby thinks. That is a lack of object permanence. That is like, well, if Wonder Woman's here, you're taking away my video game.

No, it's fine for multiple things to exist in a space And to serve multiple audiences And it's completely okay for A straight white male To enjoy Wonder Woman That is not like You're not committing to a different kind of art And now you can't go back and watch Die Hard

Everything is valid And the philosophy that wants to eliminate anything That doesn't align with a pre-established understanding of what art, particularly movies should be, is just nuts. And that's why as we mentioned, I personally didn't quite expect

this level of response from Black Panther. I was excited about it because I'm a bit of a Marvel fanboy but a superhero movie fanboy in general and I was pumped to see the next iteration, particularly one with interesting casting, a lot of very exciting people involved. Yeah, it takes place in a fictional nation in Africa.

Exactly. This is all stuff. And I sort of connected with it. I was like, oh, cool. Like a lot of African iconography was a big part of my childhood. Like I owned a lot of things from my mother and my father that just had that aesthetic.

Yeah, it's like for context, Jordan is half Kenyan, and that's an important part of your identity. Yeah, my dad is Kenyan, and he has, over the years, given me several things with that kind of visual iconography. And my mum, too, she helped me embrace that when I was younger. So as a result, I was excited. I was like, oh, cool. That's the thing I recognise.

Neato. That's like a Prince garb. Wow. Neat. And then suddenly in San Francisco, all these people that were really jazzed about it. Not all people necessarily from African, direct African backgrounds. Right, right. But African-American backgrounds too. Yes. Where it's just like, oh my God, my ancestors are being identified in the biggest movie of the year.

Yeah, yeah. This is crazy. this is so exciting and that that that matters yeah our point is that that does not serve as some niche subculture that is as impactful and as important as anything else absolutely i'm glad we talked so much about that jordan because my good thing has far lower stakes black panther is going to suck. Yeah, yeah, no. Well, no, that's not the positive. What if I took that as a positive thing? Yeah, thank God, finally.

Finally. But my positive optimistic prediction of 2018 is that much in the way that we had Gangnam Style in 2013 and we had Despacito in 2017. I expect a viral cross-cultural music sensation. The biggest yet? I don't know that it'll be the biggest yet. Because you've just named the two biggest in succession. Right.

But I think there's a lot of time between those. Yeah. And I think that this, I hope, I hope that in 2018, we see something from cultures that, this is optimistic, right? Yeah, absolutely. I hope we see some representation. I guess it is kind of on the vein of representation, but we see some musical representation from a culture that we have not yet seen in America in the limelight. I would love that. Yeah, it would just be cool to see something from another country.

I'm thinking about traditionally how hard it is for musicians from non-american backgrounds to break in america yeah it's like you've got uh like tattoo like all the things she said all the things she said run it through my head run it through my head they're russian i believe um and then you have like uh utada hikaru, who like she had the theme song of Kingdom Hearts. I did not know that. Yeah. Oh, wow. And that was like huge.

But she released two English language albums and she was like on TRL. And her first English language album was produced by Timbaland. She was always working with producers like Dark Child and people who are working with Tlc and like these other big r&b producers and her music is essentially r&b from the 90s except in japanese and then when she crossed over it just didn't click huh and then we had enrique iglesias who and i think spanish is like a very accessible language for american culture and we have like a lot of spanish language stuff that ends up crossing over but like enrique his biggest songs in america were all his english transliterations of his spanish song every english song that was huge for enrique is better in spanish and also exists and was also huge in spanish it's like you've got like i can be your hero baby it's like quiero ser tu héroe like that was like

his like héroe was like enrique's like big single in spanish and so i think it would be like super freaking rad if if in 2018 we had uh just another one of those like things those musical lightning strikes that remind us that our culture is not the only one around yeah i i mean and there couldn't be a better time for it yeah absolutely if to be entirely honest i think that's one of the reasons that Wonder Woman and Black Panther are connecting with people so much. Yes. Is that they do represent something on a cross-cultural level.

Yeah. Pretty subtle. Like, it's not heavily implied, but Gal Gadot is not an American actress. Yeah. And that matters. Yeah. And like, weirdly, I always fought for this idea. A lot of people disagree with me.

I think gangnam style is a really important cultural artifact i i agree and i like my what my worry with gangnam style is that the reason that we were so attracted to it is not because of the commentary that we're making very similar to like despacito which obviously has a much shallower message um but gangnam style was like a societal critique yeah a uh on on on like class and culture in south korea welcome to gangnam boys yeah yeah no it's like i what's weird is that we do nerd out about this yeah this is i mean there's a separate less appealing podcast which we get into quite frequently where we're just talking about like the nuances of youtube videos that's

true and and yeah so i think that the importance of gangnam style as a popular song in korea is very different than the influence of gangnam style as a popular song in america and i ultimately worry that in america we're like huh isn't that cool like i don't know any of those words yeah yeah you're right there is a certain danger to uh despite the fact that it can be impactful to have a successful korean song on the radio in the states right the motivation is important and sometimes in i particularly in the case of of uh of gangnam style the motivation was unfortunately the fetishization of eastern weirdness yes that was a big motivation and that kind of goes back to logan paul which

we kind of did talk about um well and maybe that might be a perfect segue yeah so let me just for say that like uh i i only know that it's a segue because you alluded to it but let me just say that the logan paul thing in similar to the side thing is like the fetishization of asian weirdness is just being propagated by how it's being covered like or in logan paul's case it's the fact that he like went to japan and then was just like asians or east asians are weird the entire basis of his content let me just confirm that with selective editing Let me throw Pokeballs at human beings. Fuck. You know this about me.

Yes. I am, to a fault even, strangely tolerant of garbage content. Oh, yeah. I like that it exists from a sociological point of view. I like that Logan Paul, for anybody who doesn't know, Logan Paul is a huge YouTuber on the up and up, along with his brother Jake Paul that makes vlogs predominantly. Yeah, essentially two Vine stars who out of high school, they dropped out of high school to move to LA to become internet sensations.

They became huge on YouTube and they are currently two of the biggest current creators on YouTube today. Yeah, and the most dangerous thing about their aesthetic, I guess, their tone, is that, hey, we're just two good-looking white guys and consequence doesn't matter. Like, Jake Paul's big thing was having the Team 10 house, as he phrased it. Yeah. Which is a collective of his friends that all live together in Beverly Hills, I believe. Yeah. That purchased a house and just fucked it up. Just fucked it up and made a ton of noise screwed with all

the people around them like they live you know it's semi-detached it's not that far from other people it's like they live in a neighborhood yeah and then they were just like oh let's just destroy everything i'm gonna burn some furniture in our empty pool yeah it's it's what happens honestly when you give children millions of dollars. It's exactly that. It's like, let me play with the elements. Yeah. Well, normally, like my parents would tell me no. But because I have more money than my parents and more power and I'm independent.

And I sold them. And because my telephone at age 14 made it so that I don't have to worry about the world anymore. Like, we literally have people who, at, like, age 15, became so big on the internet that they could retire today and for the next 50 years of their lives do nothing. Yeah. Because why would you need to? Because why would you need to? And that is ultimately destructive if left unchecked.

I feel like this might be our angriest episode. And I love it. Yeah, yeah. Like, I feel genuinely this might be our angriest episode And I love it I feel genuinely fired up And I want to segue Because my pessimistic Yes, let's go to the pessimistic We're talking about negativity Let's tie this up

Let me just find myself up in an angry way What are things that I hate? Ooh, bad mustard Doing too many push-ups Remakes Remakes of movies that don't need them Death Note 2017 Um, um, Bad Mustard. Uh, uh, uh, doing too many push-ups. Remakes. Remakes of movies that don't need them. Death Note 2017, it was not a necessary adaptation.

All right, you're successfully fired up. My opti- Oh, God, he's crying. My pessimistic guess for 2018 is that we will see something- Okay. Worse in 2018- Oh, no. Than Logan Paul'sapan suicide forest trip no yes dude i oh no i think we are the reason so we should give it a little bit of context yes this

logan paul man that we've mentioned man is maybe a charitable term this 22 this logan paul garbage can of a man yeah uh went on a trip to japan recently famous blogger goes on a trip to japan and produces a series of not to beat around the bush offensive videos yeah dude people call him a kid uh but you're the same age as him yeah and so it's like we're the same age as like what's freaking weird about it is that we are so willing to be like kids will be kids boys will be boys oh they just want to like completely disrespect their culture they just want to completely throw all cultural norms to the wayside or the fact that by merely traveling to another country you're a visitor in that country and should therefore be respectful to the norms and customs

of that country javis you don't understand. Oh, okay. Have you seen his subscribers? Oh, no, he does have, oh, he has 16 million of them, I see. You need not pay respect to other cultures when you have children that have subscribed to you. I understand. Oh, no, no, no, it's 15 million eight-year-olds. I see, I see.

And it is some book while treat. Oh my God, oh yeah. Not only was his content, you know, just functionally offensive, like a lot of content, like you said said of running around throwing pokeballs at people okay so he just to add some more color to this he walked around the streets of tokyo and he threw pokeballs at cars he threw them at random people he threw them at police officers and he just yelled in inoffensive tongue like that's not even like

relevant yeah i should mention so the thing we're specifically talking about when i reference the idea that there's going to be something even worse than we're talking about one specific video which most people listening have probably already heard about which was a video where logan paul went to a famous not tourist spot it's the al-kigahara sorry it's the al-kigahara forest okay i'm not even gonna try but yeah i believe that's the name yeah yeah but it is a notoriously a suicide forest it is where people miserably go to commit suicide the most dour miserable inappropriate for youtube content kind of place you could go and it it is something that, like, in Japanese culture, I've only learned about this through the backlash from this, which is maybe the one shining, like, light in this.

Yeah, that's true. It can raise awareness for this. But it's something where the- And for suicide prevention in general. There's been a huge outpouring of support for suicide prevention. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not by, like, not through Logan Paul, but through, like, everyone who's trying to damage control over his mess.

I feel like we're having to cover this like child's mess a child that i never sired this is not my boy i signed up to parent this child and the context of this for us is like well known within the community there are signs that that help that urge people not to like commit suicide and yeah this is not like a tourist attraction it's not and it's like it's a thing that you need a guide to and it's like and people only offer the ability to tour it to those who intend to be respectful to the grounds it is something that is currently a thing it's not like a oh we used to do this in the old days which Which brings me back to, like, why I think it's going to get so much worse. Now, don't get me wrong.

This is, like, a fucking abhorrent situation. It's as bad as you can go based on our current understanding of YouTube. But to me, for a lot of people, people are saying, like, oh, we've hit a point. We've hit the cap. There's no way that anybody can do anything worse.

If shock value is as important a value to most vloggers as i think it is people will be willing to go further because there weren't consequences for this event zero severe enough like like the only thing is that like logan paul did an apology and he just continued to gain more subscribers than he was gaining before to clarify the dude found oh my god it's so fucking sad the dude found a dead body yes he found a dead body in the forest and made a like you know that weird affectation that vloggers take on when they're on camera with us like hey what's up guys what's going on welcome to the bingle dang you know like that it's known as like the the youtube like excitement yeah yeah the the

neo-surrealism that only comes out of vlogs exactly he applies to finding a fucking dead body in the forest disgusting which is that's what a psychopath is somebody that is like unfazed by this crazy shit someone who's been trained that views matter more than anything else. And as long as he gets the views, he faces no consequences. Yes. And this all brings me around to my ultra pessimistic point. The reason I believe there's going to be something worse is because I personally don't believe

that the suicide forest video was the most harmful thing he put out from Japan. The suicide forest video is miserable and it's psychopathic, and it's terrifying, but it has, at the very least, had this lightly positive, maybe even net positive impact, where there's been a ton of money donated to suicide prevention,

and there's been far more awareness, and maybe people, you know, it's entirely likely that many of the kids that follow Logan Paul, that heard the drama, found out that suicide prevention hotlines were a thing. Many of them may not have known that. Your point is that this was bad, but it was so objectively bad and so easily classifiably bad that he could be called out for it. But because we live in this culture where as long as after you do a bad thing you do a worse thing we forget about the first bad thing you did yeah he we are not talking

about the times where you know logan paul was throwing pokeballs at japanese people and making like it's crazy racist accents and just running around disrupting people dressing up in a fucking like kimono. See, this is the shit that worries me. This is the reason that I say that there is a far more dangerous series of videos, potentially from Logan, potentially from Jake, potentially from other contemporaries, on the horizon for 2018,

because the Suicide Forest video, kind of hard to emulate. It's kind of hard to go there. It's kind of hard to find a dead body. It's kind of hard to deal with the backlash. But you know what's not hard and requires basically no travel yeah xenophobia being a tactless racist is something you can do pretty much anywhere and the scariest content that that motherfucker put out was not i'm gonna go to a suicide forest as miserable as that was and as indicative of his psychopathy as that was right the thing that scared me the most as somebody that has experience and i'm sure you have as well casual and pretty active racism yeah was this like you went to japan and did

unacceptable shit but it's okay because you're famous i guess yeah i guess it's fine because you have some subscribers if i went to japan and started making references to like oh pocket monster ha ha ha throw the poker ball uh konnichiwa i would get shot in the face like it would be the worst thing i could do this is actually like like all of your i should be all of your fake disrespectful examples are more homework than what Paul actually did. Well, my worry is, is that that is not hard to do. And that's why I'm convinced that we can count for, I'm sure of all the Japanese videos that he did, all the videos in Japan, that one got the most traction, right? That's the drama video. And then it got deleted. Yeah. Whereas we are discounting the no doubt millions of views

that the other incredibly offensive videos got And all the eight-year-olds went like That's pretty funny Like that is gonna happen And it's gonna be devastating And it's gonna really negatively impact the next wave of vloggers That's the shit that worries me And that's the shit that tells me

That 2018 is gonna have the worst YouTube video we have ever seen with popular success I um So I initially wanted to disagree with you going to have the worst youtube video we have ever seen with uh popular success i um so i initially wanted to disagree with you but knowing what i know about the content that rice gum yeah and jake and logan paul are putting out i don't doubt you i don't doubt you at all and i don't think again it's not like an objectively negative thing. In the same way we were talking about, like, you know, the zero-sum game in artwork. It's okay to have bad stuff.

Like, it's okay to verbalize terrible content and to see it and to challenge it. The thing that scares me is that the people, you and me, and people listening, and other people interested in this sphere of criticism, we're the minority. Not a lot of people are fighting that content. For every single excellent and incredibly insightful, especially, I love the Raina Scully video that came out. Raina Scully's a fantastic creator. I would love, Raina Scully, shout out to be on the show.

Please come on in. Oh, man, can we get Raina Scully? Number one dream guest. She's great. And I was like a fan of hers before. I was a sub. Like, I enjoy her content. You're a Raina hipster.

I am. She used to do stuff for SourceFed with like Philip DeFranco and all those folks. But Raina, shout out. Come on the show. Oh, I've got to get Raina Scully on the show. But like for all the value that videos like that had, hers in particular a ton of cultural insight because she's japanese-american there is all this damage yeah that nobody is acknowledging nor could anyone acknowledge right from all the terrible videos that all these kids are watching it's like i mean to be honest like not to make this political

for any extended period of time but like it's like trump it's like where do you start there's so much bad like where do you like at what point do you draw the line to discuss and and that is partially the strategy like you just continue being badder and badder and because there are no structures to keep you in check you kind of just get off without a hitch because we don't talk about all the stuff that was like a nine we only talk about the the stuff that's like a 10 and then you make an 11 and then we only talk about the 11 yeah then when all of a sudden when nines become the status quo what do i deviate from and then and then now we can't just yeah that's hard for us to tell right from wrong because we're just so used to dealing with like the worst possible thing well we're

desensitized he shot an adult in the face well at least it wasn't a child moving on with my day yeah yeah exactly it's like i read my push notifications from the news in the morning and i go i mean yeah i guess so that's the most buck wild shit i've ever heard in my life but it isn't the most buck wild shit i'm going to hear tomorrow yeah so all good exactly it's like well i mean i guess this is in line with what i've been conditioned to expect i signed up for this as an American citizen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my 2018 prediction that is pessimistic is one that is near and dear to me, but the stakes are actually much lower than that of yours. Okay, wait, let me turn my, my frown is already upside down, but I'm going to kind of push it even lower. Oh, there it goes.

Yeah. My frown is really upside down. It's a sans serif you yeah um i am a for those who don't know this about me i'm a big fan of justin timberlake i'm a big fan of in sync i used to do like in sync choreography when i was like a little kid in my like garage you directed them i directed them yeah i was a child choreographer i was a young wade robson and that's a joke for only people who know who choreographed in sync music videos because i know uh i know he also choreographed uh britney spears stuff and then uh he is supposedly the guy who britney spears cheated on justin terblake with that um that inspired cry me a river oh my god welcome to

outdated gossip boys yeah yeah no i i do i have done a lot of research on this but um so justin terblake is my boy and i will always like follow him through thick and thin justin you're welcome to come on the show yeah justin you're welcome to come on the show first reyna then justin my worry in order of importance my worry in my pessimistic prediction is i'm genuinely worried i have actual goosebumps so justin him like announced a new album okay it's called man in the woods man of the woods man in the woods all i had heard about the production of the album was from like pharrell and from other people who were like, Justin, he's a talented guy. This is the first time he's getting back to his roots from where he's from. Justin Timberlake is from Tennessee. And Tennessee is like well known for

country music and like blues, but it is a well known like state and area for music. And so like a lot of the stuff I'd heard is that this is like just never like getting back uh to this is the first thing he's done that's sounded like where he's from and i i've been excited we got a surprise single yesterday and and we got you know we know the album's coming out in like february i think and my pessimistic prediction is that dude i don't know if it's gonna be good no i'm fucking worried dude i am like so i so the first single know if it's going to be good. No! I'm fucking worried. Dude, I am like so... So the first single came out. It's called Filthy. It is...

Let me just play it for you. I tell you what. I'm going to listen to it on... We'll keep talking, but I'm going to listen to it on my phone. Yeah. And every now and again, I'm going to give a grunt of misery or a mmm of approval. Okay. All right.

Ooh, interesting. Not quite as Tennessee as I was expecting. Not sure if this is quite getting back to the roots. Literally, like, the promotion was Man of the Woods, and then it's Justin Trudeau, like, half in a suit, half in, like, a plaid T-shirt and like suspenders and overalls i as somebody that like likes music production as a casual hobby but not is not necessarily very good at it this is a very interesting instrumentation i'm so confused can i tell you about the music video because the music

video for this is justin timberlake is presenting at the 2028, uh, like Malaysian, like technology summit. I agree. Justin, what are you doing? The premise for the video is that he goes out and presents like Steve Jobs style. And then he presents like a robot and in the robots are doing dances. And, and the video cannot be as good as my mental image yeah and justin is off like backstage doing the dances for the robot that's ludicrous why did that happen i don't understand this i a certain part of me respects it so i'm

still listening to the track and again yeah not feeling too optimistic about this i a certain part of me respects it so i'm still listening to the track and again yeah not feeling too optimistic about this i don't hate it it's just like not super compelling um but the thing that is sticking out to me is that justin timberlake could coast yes could of all contemporary artists he is probably the best set up with as like a storied career as an excellent musician, both as a soloist and as a band member. And then as a career actor, dude set up to win. He's having a great career and I don't think he's coasting here. And he's not coasting. And that's what's like weirdly impressive about this track.

At the same time. So the music part, I don't like. I agree. The part that is in my ear that I'm hearing is the music part I don't like. I agree. The part that is in my ear that I'm hearing is the part that I don't like. Right. I had a similar feeling to that today. The thing I can get on board with is everything else in the world. It's just the part that I am experiencing.

Yes. Like the part that's a song. The part that is a song that I'm hearing, big thumbs down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But everything else. Yeah. Oh, something's happening. Oh The part that is a song that I'm hearing, big thumbs down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But everything else. Yeah. Oh, something's happening. Oh.

Might this be a bridge? We have ended a bridge that is dull. I would say is the main. I just, I'm going to pause it. I don't care anymore. I don't care. Justin, my friend, I know I want you to be on the podcast. And less so than Raina.

Raina, Scully, please come on the podcast. So here's the thing about this. I do not pretend to be, like, an expert in music. I know that things can be popular that I don't like. I know that I can like things that aren't popular. I remember when I heard Sexy Back, which is one of, like, Justin Timberlake's, like, it was sort of a career-defining single.

It was a big single in his career but it's by no means the biggest but you mean specifically when he was uh bringing sexy back to its original position right right like because sexy went away for a while in music where the justin you're just yeah uh do you know where sexy happens to be i left it right here do you know where oh no i know i know exactly where it is because you said you were going to look after sexy and it doesn't do it i'll bring it right back okay great if you go and get sexy very convenient for me um okay here here i am oh thanks dude i'm bringing sexy back huh so when i was in a sexy back for the first time i didn't think it was that good and it grew

on me and it ultimately is not like where it it never fell into like a favorites for me and the album was ultimately not a bunch of sexy backs so i was proven wrong and i actually enjoyed future sex love sounds a lot which was the title of that 2006 album um jesus i know so much about if you require any more proof that jarvis knows is justin shit yeah yeah no i i pre-ordered it and i remember downloading on itunes before i went into school that day wow downloading on itunes yeah i it was a pre-order on itunes and then it was 13.99 so So I'm open to being wrong about this. I really don't want to be, I don't want to have an accurate prediction here.

But. About Justin Timberlake's new album being a garbage. I just, I don't believe it will be. I think what will happen is that every other single will be good. But you're not ready for that. Do you like 2020? The last Timberlake album? So this is the thing, right?

You're expecting pure gold. Well, 2020 is not perfect. There are two parts. There's a lot of music there. The first album was obviously all the best takes. The second album does have the Drake-Justin Timberlake feature that I always wanted. I should mention that Jarvis has pulled down a slideshow to emphasize his points. And Cabaret was fucking gold on 2020 Experience Part 2.

But I am just ultimately worried that this may be me distancing myself from one of my favorite, like, from my childhood musicians. And that's a weird spot for me. Yeah. And same goes for me with Logangan paul a man i have loved since i he was born and i was already born since he was born and i was 20 young logan get your shit together seriously but i think that about does it for 2018 this is our 2018 uh time capsule is our 2018 time capsule we'll look at this next year we'll look at the end of the year and then we'll review the logan paul video where he shot

a baby in the face and we'll be like wow i was right this was way worse and then justin timberlake released an album that was just white noise and farts for 45 minutes honestly if the justin timberlake album is great i'm gonna be so happy yeah uh you set yourself up for a win on that one i did either way you're good i'm hoping i really don't like the single um and that is so rare for me yeah i've i've been like lackadaisical about the singles in some of his past albums that have been like like not a bad thing and like those songs are great but they like don't have the texture they don't have the like depth that i i don't look for just like for depth but like musically there's a lot of directions that he chooses not to go yeah in some of those songs

and i'm like all right so if i'm surprised if every other song is gold on this next album i am gonna be so happy because i want to continue it's a fun thing for me to be like I'm just ridiculously a big fan of Justin Timberlake it's a great character arc for me. Justin I was going to say if you're listening but you are Justin as you listen

come on the show Justin come on the show Justin come on the show actually all jokes aside If you're listening to this I don't know if this is okay or not Tweet at Rainer Scully And say

I think we're at like a Small enough listenership right now For that to be acceptable Please Just tweet at Rainer Scully And say Please be on Sad Boys And then put like Comma Parag paragraph break i love you and i'm sorry

so you on the you know ninth episode of sad boys are telling justin timberlake who is now let's not get ahead of ourselves a listener of the show sure he knows every episode you're you're telling if not a listener a super fan you're telling him, our big fan Justin Timberlake, to tweet at another fan of the show. Some instructions? I would die laughing if for whatever reason we were able to reach Justin Timberlake and he tweeted to Rainer Scully.

That would be the weirdest thing that has ever happened. This funny show loves Crunchyroll and hates my new album. Would she be willing to be on the show? Yeah, it's weird. Raina Scully currently works at Crunchyroll? I believe so, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She is the best, and that's why we wanted to be on the show.

Shout out to Raina Scully. The homework for this week is two parts. Yes. Part one. Tweet at Raina Scully. God damn it. Please don't, like, if you see that a lot of people

are tweeting at her, please don't tweet at Reina Scully. Do it tastefully. I just, I don't know Reina Scully and I'd like somebody else to indicate that we would like her on the show and maybe she'll listen to this episode

and we can say how much we love you. Reina Scully, please be on the show. We're in San Francisco. Let's kind of hang out. We're big fans, actually. Creepy. We have met Philip DeFran dranco that's happened we have so that'll work out yeah second ask for homework is to send us your predictions i want uh optimistic

and pessimistic they don't have to be realistic that's one thing i want to clarify they don't have to be things that will definitely happen or even exist within the realm of possibility i just want to hear what you would love to happen this year and what you would hate to happen this year. Yeah, like optimistic, I pull a Chris Pratt and star in the next big Marvel movie. Yeah, dude. Pessimistic. I don't.

It all ends for me. My optimistic is that I get into the movie. My pessimistic is that I don't get into the movie. No, my pessimistic is that the 2018 and 2019 that were here earlier were right. No, dude. They won't be coming back. They clearly, they already. Oh, hey, guys.

Oh, shit. Ow, fuck. Ow. Oh, my God. Link. They're dragging me away. They're dragging. Oh, my God.

No. Hi, Jarvis. It's me. What have you done with Jordan? It's 2018. Dear God. And 2019, my voice is different now. Why? How did you?

I started smoking in between the beginning of the podcast. That's a bad choice for you. Jarvis. Yes? We're going to kill you if you don't answer one question. Okay, what's the one question? Where can the fans follow the podcast? On Twitter and Facebook?

They can follow us at Sad Boys Pod on both platforms. Are you going to leave me alive? I don't think that's true, Jarvis. They'll have to prove it by liking the show and following it on both platforms. And if they don't, there'll never be another Sad Boys again. Oh, my God. Oh, God. Oh, no. Oh, God. All right all right well you heard it here first folks the year

of 2018 and 2019 collectively collectively attacked jarvis and forced you to like and comment yeah and just remember that you have to leave five stars for an itunes review it actually doesn't work if you don't uh we didn't mention iTunes, but I've noticed some of your reviews and I am just over the moon about those. Oh, we've had the sweetest iTunes reviews ever. Yeah, and they're just really nice. And I want to thank the people

who have left reviews and I want to say for the people who haven't left reviews, you were dead to me. No, just kidding. I would love it if you also left a five star review review uh that would be super awesome uh tell us about your experience with the pod tell us what you want to see more of we are trying to build a community here and we're just the train conductors of that community and so we just want a place on the internet where more of us can talk about our feelings and have a good time and y'all

are the choo-choo trains you all are the if we're the conductors you're the tank engines baby and i want to see more of those thomases out on the rails yeah i i couldn't have said it better myself 2018 in 2018 let's vow to just chat and hang if you send us a message we will read that message and we will reply to that message. Let's go. Yeah, we reply to everything. And we reply earnestly and with like hopefully a lot of thought to everything. I hope so.

Yeah. I mean, I've been mostly responding with GIFs, but are you sending honest replies? I am. I'm mostly sending threats, my dude. I'm sending mostly letters that I write in ink, my dude. Oh. I send them with an owl. Outdated media, my dude. I'm sending mostly letters that I write in ink my dude. Oh. I send them with an owl. Outdated media my dude. I'm just

trying to say that I care a lot about this my dude. Thank you so much for listening to Sad Boys. Not only for this episode but for all the people that have been listening since the day once. The day ones we love you. It's a pleasure to do this show and I hope to do it for the rest of the year and many more. Yes. And Jarvis

I love you. And I'm sorry. Boom.