Sad Boyz - 3 More Questions To Fall In Love

Episode Date: March 25, 2018

What, if anything, is too serious to be joked about? On the first episode of Sad Boyz, Jarvis and Jordan answered 4 of the NYT's 36 Questions to fall in love. Today we tackle 3 more and discuss humor, our desired super powers and what (if anything, i mean c'mon) we have in common. Also in this episode an AMAZING pen palz about past bullies, we discuss the suspension of disbelief in comedians in cars getting coffee, and the boyz catch up. It's been a minute.

Welcome to the Savoy's, a podcast about feelings and other things. Also, I'm Jarvis. And I am Jordanius Copius, the Norse god of having a nice time with your friends. Hi, was it Jord... could you say your name again? My name? Uh, yeah, like, just because I'm sure you know it. Yes, I just said my own name. You just said it, so you figure... It would be so easy to do.

Yeah. For I have known it my entire existence, which is longer than that of eternity. Right. I know it started with Jor. Jor. Jordanium. Oh. Jordaniums.

Okay. Jordaniums. Second name. And anyway, I'm a god. Don't question me. Jarvis, for that, I send you to Hades, and I curse you with a thousand years of making a nice podcast with your friend Jordan. Well, honestly, this is what I expected. Oh, I think he's arriving right now.

Hey, what's up? Hey, just hanging out with, what was your name again? Hmm? My name? Oh, you know it by now, surely. Maybe you could say it. It's, uh, it's Jorvacatrix corpulent porpoises. That's exactly right. Anyway, I'm going to be just sort of in the background.

You guys have fun with your little show. Okay, yeah. We'll be here for a thousand years. And be careful because, like, the flames that are emanating from you are burning Jordan's couch. And the cat's gone. Well, I will reward you with another when you complete your thousand years of podcast evidence. Thousand years? Yeah, a thousand years of podcast. Wow.and years? Yeah, thousand years of podcast.

Wow. Okay. All right. Well, I'll be in the corner. I like this show. I'll give it five stars. Peace out, Gordo. Hey, man.

Who was that? His name specifically? What was his name? It was, you know, I think it was Alec Baldwin. It was Alec Baldwin. He did sound a lot like Alec Baldwin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a little aggressive.

He's doing his job. A little full of himself. This is fun. And he was flaming hot. It wasn't the voice. It was more the temperament. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn he's a little aggressive he's doing his job full of himself this is fun and he was flaming hot it wasn't the voice it was more the temperament but i couldn't remember much about him except for he had a very alec baldwin like temperament am i remember am i right in thinking that every baldwin's bad is that a thing that is the case yeah i mean that's the mnemonic for remembering things about the baldwins it's just baldwins are bad baldwins are bad which stands for baldwins are bad baldwins are bad baldwins are bad which stands for baldwins are bad baldwins are bald

baldwins are bald all they do is win but all they do is bald welcome to baldwin cast i'm steven baldwin one of them and i'm alec baldwin hey bro that's pretty good i didn't know i had an alec i didn't know you had an alec i can maybe channel that into a trump yeah you can probably turn that give it a go give it two steps away okay wait give me a trump line um you know all of his lines you have that tumblr all about how you're a big fan of him uh no um i've who's that um like donnie trump china was that it uh yeah no that's his famous line china changes it's time's when Donald Trump was the conductor of a train. He's much more progressive now. Ch-ch-ch-china.

So is this too much for an intro? Quite possibly. Boys are back in town. That was actually quite good. Thanks, dude. We're back in action. We were late last week. Well, the boy was out of town. Jordan was out quite good. Thanks, dude. Yeah, we're back in action. We were late last week.

Well, the boy was out of town. Jordan was out of town. I didn't have time to edit the show. You were out of emotional town. I was out of emotional town. I was in my brain town. You just locked in sort of emotional deadlock. Yeah, just watching a lot of comedians in cars getting coffee.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. So here's the thing that I have an issue with those shows. Right. And I want to know if it stretches to you as well. That kind of content, that kind of one-on-one intensive engagement. Yeah. I can handle for hours in podcast form.

Yeah. Or minutes in YouTube video form. Yeah. Mid-length AV experience i i get bored with well what's your experience like when you watch a video podcast like if yeah because because that i i can watch that for like the amount of time that i can well i've never watched a video podcast without some alternative education like i'm playing a video game and on a second monitor i have a video podcast or something like that but that is a good point i mean i suppose if I went to a live show I'm basically just watching a video so the reason I say that is because comedians and cars getting coffee feels to me

like a podcast that is just heavily edited okay because it's just they shot for 20 hours they shoot for probably so long like you know a coffee conversation it's got to be like 45 minutes and then they're driving around a bunch and having conversation and it's probably not dead air in the meantime, you know? And so I imagine they're just cutting out the highlights, which is easier to follow on video than it would be on a podcast. Like if you heard the audio of it, it just wouldn't, it wouldn't go. Different environments, different soundscapes. And they utilize a lot of, uh, uh utilize a lot of narrative techniques to like transition like topics.

Like they do tons of, like I was watching one with Trevor Noah and they cut to B-roll of like a barista making coffee like nine times. And I'm like, you know, this implies that they drink nine cups of coffee, right? And that did not happen. Certainly not. But that would make for an interesting show. Overly caffeinated comedians in cars getting coffee. Anxious comedians. Regretting their statements.

Regretting their drinks. What is your max load of coffee, Jarvis? How much can you handle before you go off the handle? Well, you know, it used to be about three cups a day. Jesus. And now, because I'm taking like stimulant medication for my ADHD, I can't drink a single cup of coffee. Oh, zero.

You're all decaf. I'm all decaf because decaf has about, uh, you know, a 10th to like a 20th of the caffeine in regular coffee and about a third of that in green tea. Uh, I've done my research because i'm a caffeine boy yeah and i was like i really like the ritual of drinking coffee so i wanted to still be able to do it so nowadays i get decaf coffee twice a day that i drink half of roughly and i can detect the caffeine it's pretty wild because we are formally pretty desensitized yes but the way that like my medication works and the way that uh coffee works is that like

stimulants work in one of two ways now this is like a this is a chemistry lesson i was imagining like fun bill nye music in the back yeah so so stimulants work in two ways uh one like increases the production of neurotransmitters like um like dopamine and all that jazz in your brain and the other type increases the effectiveness of receptors for those neurotransmitters and all of my adhd medication does like one side of it and the caffeine does the other so if i drink caffeine while i'm taking this medication my receptors are like extra big and i have extra uh neurotransmitters like flowing oh yeah so it is if i drink coffee i'm in the movie crank and it feels like my heart is going to stop like that's how intense it is so you it's basically putting on after shave after you shave all the pores are

more open than ever and the substance on your face is sharper than it's uh i when i was in this like in the dating phase for like ad, I was trying a bunch. I was doing the Adderalls and the what have you. And all of them were bad except for what I landed on, which works for me. I did not have this judgment that I now have about my caffeine intake. And it caused me... I had to go home sick multiple days while I was tested, while I was learning like what ADHD medication was going to work for me.

Because you were over caffeinating yourself? With a sip of, with like a little like tiny like sip of coffee. I took like, I like drink a green tea in the middle of the day one day when I was like on Adderall and it felt like my heart was going to jump out of my chest. And like that, like people don't like, I understand like people who like make fun of people who drink decaf. But I have to drink decaf now if I want any coffee at all. That makes, yeah, that's completely valid. Yeah, it is.

You know what? Fuck you. If you judge people for drinking decaf, that's the exact same camp of people that judges you for your favorite TV preferences, that judges you for your favorite music. Just you don't have to do the same thing to respect another human being. Yeah, totally, totally. So outside of spending time with your good friend, Jerry, Jerry Seinfeld, a show that we've definitely watched,

how else was your week, Joyce? My week has been pretty good. I'm still feeling really positive, really optimistic, feeling like a lot of agency uh about like being able to achieve the goals that i want the lows have been few and far between and i editing jarvis put in some claps and applause please that's great i'm really excited about it and yeah so we are still out of what is known in sad boys lore as the dark trilogy trilogy um the burnout trilogy the burnout trilogy where jordan and i burned ourselves out and then went on vacation separately for two weeks

and and jordan i haven't seen you in so long man you've been you've been on vacation a lot sure have i've been on a bit of a staycation and then a bit of a trip for a wedding which was so amazing love to the people involved i want a bit of a wedding kick jarvis you are just came off of a wedding erica talked about weddings last week as a result i have a question for you my friend okay do you have a dream destination location for your own wedding oh interesting i don't like know if i would do a destination wedding i think it asks a lot of the people who are going to be going to the wedding you think people are going to attend your wedding yeah well i have some sour news for you friend i uh how do you already know sorry how about you like a place or thing i want to do place i fall into the same camp as you but

at the same time if budget's not an issue i'll take a mars wedding mars yeah i'll take a mars wedding i like how you're uh you acknowledged like my concern which is like taking up people's time and then made it the hardest possible you chose a location that takes years to travel to i'm taking that time where i'm not can you take uh all of the vacations like like could you just quit your job because my wedding yeah would you be able to just miss out on your children's early life to come see me tie the knot yeah yeah and it's like could you like i don't know risk your life to even get there this is the first civilian manned vessel to mars i should mention oh the first one it's super dangerous wow almost we are 100 guaranteed not

able to go back that's a thing you definitely can't do that's true going there 25 success rate but free canapes through what at the wedding there'll be free canapes the rest of the food will be charged for what is that it's like an appetizer i i i'm you learn something new every day how what is that word that you said canopy can repay canopy canopy can yes canopy oh okay i was like what is happening right now as i did that gravelly voice i started to slip slip back to the Norse god of having chill hangouts. Yeah, I thought you were going to transform into the Pokemon Caterpie. Canopy.

I was like, Caterpie. And I was like, that's just a Pokemon. Go, canopy. Give me a nice setting during a rainy afternoon. So it's funny that you mentioned all this wedding stuff because today our topic is actually... We're getting married. Yeah. It's happening.

I mean, you took the words right out of your mouth. I needed a green card. Jarvis was obliging. He doesn't know about it yet. So today our topic is a sequel episode. It's a bit of a follow-up. Yeah, that's right, everybody. The topic well has run dry.

We're out of ideas. We're completely bankrupt. We don't know how to do this show anymore, so we're just going back to the well. To be more of a glass half full kind of guy, we're revisiting the 36 questions to fall in love. Now, for those longtime listeners of the show, we tackled four of the 36 questions in the very first episode of sad boys and for poses who haven't listened to every episode of the show turn it off turn it off right now yeah but we don't need you to go listen back to that we're just going to pick three new questions and jordan's going to ask them to me and uh jordan will also answer them as well but yeah last time uh it was

all the questions were a surprise to me this time time you have not seen the questions. That's true. So we're getting the rawest possible response from Jarvis. I myself have already forgotten what I chose. So you'll be getting a pretty raw response from me as well. Well, how the cookie crumbles. I don't know. I said that it's how the cookie crumbles.

We should say, if you're listening and you have an answer to this question, play along at home, tweet us as you listen to it. Don't even wait till the episodes it don't even wait till the episodes don't even wait till the episodes over use your rawest most exciting thoughts as they come which which i'm sure will be interesting at least more interesting than me and jarvis we've really got nothing going on but before we get to that we have the second edition of our very new segment

jordan play the theme music it's a show and it's this is part of and it's part of the show it's pen pals it's pen pals with a z with a z uh so pen pals jordan i've heard from some of our listeners that the rules on pen pals are not very clear what do they mean you mean that ad where we just said the name of the show wasn't enough to explain how it works so pin pals is a part of the show where we hear from you the listener yeah you can send us a voice recording via the twitters or the facebooks or you can send us a message or you can send us an email directly to sadboyspod at gmail.com but the basic idea no matter where it comes from is that we want to hear your thoughts on a topic we do or something completely unrelated. You can be super weird.

Yeah. So that spans all of the possibilities. Essentially, if Sad Boys has inspired you in any way, we want to hear from you. Because chances are you're a lot more eloquent and interesting than either of us. So it will make the podcast much better. And it makes us feel so much more connected to all of you out there yeah we've only had two we're about to present the second but we've only had two so far and each one is like by far the favorite thing we've ever done on this show it's so fun yeah yeah it's uh it's so much fun and we've we've

gotten to know a lot of um the listeners digitally and um and if you've been sitting on the idea of sending us a message, like a voice recording or a text or whatever, and you're like, well, they might not read it or they might not respond to it. We will 100% read it and will 100% respond to it. I promise we can do that. Yeah. And maybe in future episodes, I'll set up a voicemail number if people are into that. That'd be fun. Yeah. So our pen pal today is Bree. The Bree.

Brianna, KB? Brianna? I don't... Well, I mean... Brianna-na? After this success, she's no longer any of those. She's just sad. Sad Brie?

Her new name is Sad Brie. Yes! Sad Brie is actually kind of a dope name. Change your Twitter handle and message us right now. So, Brie was inspired by our bullies episode oh cool to to write in but uh she has a great opening message so i'm gonna read i'm gonna read that and then i'm gonna bridge some of the other stuff and i have not heard this i have no idea what the jordan has no idea what the context is amazing uh for those of you following along at

home jarvis runs 98 of the sad boys pod account of any, or any sad boys related thing. Yeah. And, uh, and so sometimes I'll check the Twitter and Jordan will have liked a tweet and, and that's about, but he's not,

he has no awareness of any of the DMS. And that's exciting because then you get to see that and go like, Oh cool. He's alive. Thank goodness. That's true. That's a, that's how I check up on you.

Uh, but it is fun because I will send, I will take screen caps and like send them to Jordan. And I know, I know how to meet Jordan where he is. I know how to, I know how to get the right things in front of his eyes. I know he's probably in Philz right now, sitting about halfway through an Istanbul treat,

which is where it reaches that perfect level of temperature. Or he's like standing right between the compost and the recycling bin. A single tear rolling down his cheek. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, so I should clarify. I read every message, but I pretty much always let you read them first. Because I know that if you read them first, you might do something with them and be more functional. Oh, yeah, that's a good point.

Because you're saving me the... The unread. The unread. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's really nice because I try to respond to everything. I've been... I'm the cheesy one. Let's just say it.

And so I'm the one who gets really sentimental and wants to talk to everybody. Yeah. So... Which I want to do more of actually i want to officially apologize to the fam and say i'd like to be more loving and caring to you i'm too sardonic on the twitters it's okay jordan uh i can deliver this information to you and also like give yourself a break man it's okay okay um hey that's the new subtitle of sad boys give yourself a break the last time jordan apologized, a lot of people were like,

I don't understand why Jordan felt the need to say sorry. I think Jordan's a little hard on himself. That was really one of the sweetest things ever. One of my all-time favorite episodes and responses, that was the New Year's ep, I believe. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we've really had a journey. Okay, so Brie writes,

Hey, boys, with a Z, so Brie knows what's up. As my dear friend, young Tyler May mentioned, I'm a big fan of the pot we don't need to talk about how fast i zoomed through all your episodes but as i did so i was like wow i should do all these homework assignments and then send them all together at once after i've caught up which is what i did in many of my classes most semesters in college i identify with that brie i was major thumbs up one after my own heart um i can tell she's a rebel and that makes me happy because i always hoped our demo would

be like cool edgy people. But I also like the optimism, which is something that I have as well, which is like, I'm just going to do all of this. Yeah. I want to do all the work. Reach for the clouds, land on the mountain. Love that. Reach for the clouds, land on the couch.

Reach for the clouds, miss the clouds, get in a plane, fly home. You're dreaming. You're still sleeping it's 3 p.m why did you go to bed so early it's monday um but then she goes on to say but i didn't do any of the homework also like college fuck yeah brie i feel that i'm a big fan of brie's brand so when brie was in elementary school there was a boy who lives across the street from her and she hated him and he hated her and they didn't ever address or no she doesn't remember why okay um one day god again

another part of her brand i completely relate to yeah i'm so on board i don't remember much about my own past yeah i don't know if you have this experience jordan but i'm often being told by other people things that i said and did in the past. And I'm like, sounds like me, but I have no recollection whatsoever. Sure. I either did that or you've really captured my voice. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, Jarvis, remember when we played in the snow and rolled around and said we were best friends forever? And I'm like, no, but there's a photo. So I do agree that it happened. Jarvis, do you remember that time that you gave me some

really sage advice about a relationship i was having and at the same time you uh like cracked your knuckles in a very specific way i'd be like well i do do that yeah you've got most of the pieces there that describes behavior that i typically associate with myself yeah and i was wearing uh track shorts and a cardigan yep that sounds about right and you said i'm jarvis before you started speaking um so one day young to recap brie has a nemesis and she doesn't understand why brie has an unknown nemesis sad brie sad brie has an unknown nemesis and one day now she rode the bus to and from school because like lived in the same neighborhood as this guy. Homeboy punches Bree in the face. What?

Yeah. Just randomly out of the blue. He punches Bree in the face. Okay. And Bree says. Sorry. Not okay. Yeah.

Yeah. No, like that's okay. As in like, I'm acknowledging the truth. Yeah. Sorry. i want to be like critical about that that's great big thumbs up yeah and so brie was inspired by our bullies episode great to go find out who this guy was what and so brie tweeted us actually a a photo of her texting her mom like what was the name of that guy who like lived in the uh in the neighborhood who faced that guy and then she goes on to find him on facebook

and we're not going to say his name on the pod we're not going to say his name on the pod because this is a developing story because young brie doesn't know if she should send him a friend request oh my days and i'm here to say the reason that we are talking about this today is that sad brie we need to know we need to know why this young man uh punched you in the face brie nobody has ever buried a bigger hatchet in their entire life nobody has ever dug a hole big enough to put a hatchet that big in it you have to do it she also linked the facebook profile of the bully oh and his social security number yeah it's weird how she found all that so easily a vial of his blood um she now brie does have some some comments

about uh about him but i'm gonna i'm gonna save i'm gonna save this stuff um but all all we need to know all the audience needs to know is that Brie got punched in the face by this guy. Okay, Jarvis has pulled up a picture of this man. And Brie, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there's no way it was him. Just looking at his face, he's too cute. He's too nice. He can't have done this. I'm so sorry.

There's no way. There's no way that he punched you as a child. I know it for sure. No, I actually, real talk, it totally looks like he did it. In fact, his second Facebook post is, I did it. And I don't know what that's in reference to. And it's him holding up his fist towards the camera. Yeah, it's holding it up to a yearbook.

He's on a bus. This doesn't make any sense. It's, I remember middle school. You know what's nuts is that, well, actually, I'll leave this with Brie. I'm curious to see whether he can recall it. Now, there's always a chance that he pretends he doesn't remember when you reach back out to him. So you're getting ahead of me. So now Bree goes on to say that she hasn't added him as a friend yet, and she doesn't think she will.

Bree. But maybe next time I'm drunk with my roommates, I'll think it's the perfect time to virtually confront my earliest known enemy. And if so, she'll let us know how it goes. Bree, go and buy yourself a fifth of vodka. Down it in one and send that man a message immediately. Take a drink. But I mean, think of the content. Think of the Sad Boys podcast when you do it. All right.

So first, let me say drink responsibly. Right. Second, you have to add this guy and tell us. You have to confront him because now everyone wants to know why he punched you in the face. Bree, this isn't about you anymore. This is the story of a nation. This is the story of America. It belongs to all of us.

It has transcended Bree. It has transcended sad Bree. Sad Bree, the pen pal. Thank you so much for writing in. If you want your message or voice message featured in pen pals just send us the things yeah if you are in the mood to have us doubt the validity of whether or not a small man punched you based on how round and cute his face now is go ahead and message i have to i have to guess it was round and cute back then as well even more so yeah perfectly circular he was just

he was just a sphere his entire body was a single round cute face he rolled into brie with his fist do you think this is maybe why they were nemeses she had a perfectly triangular face oh my god it's a primary shape showdown primary shape down primary shape down um brie you're my favorite person in the world brie is a great is a great supporter of the show and now it's time for our topic we do we do yeah is that the theme song we do we do show topic wow the music writers ran out of money near the end so we're doing three of the 36 questions from the new york times 36 questions to fall in love. My hope this time being that it officially makes everybody listening fall in love with anybody that they're near. For those who haven't been with us since the very first episode, we did a couple of these

questions in the very first Sad Boys. I asked Jordan the questions. Today, Jordan's going to be asking me the questions. Today, I'm in control. Jarvis, lie down on the ground. I sit in the chair this time. You weren't wearing all that leather when I got in here and here's my helmet oh the god's back wow why are you wearing a full

suit of armor it's because I'm in charge I'm the king give me my crown right you are Caterpie after all yeah my crown is your glasses give me your crown is made of I was gonna say spiderweb but that's a different my crown's made of XLR cables. Wow. He's the king of podcasting. So we have three very, very hot questions. And I encourage anybody listening to tweet at us as they hear the questions and come up with their own answers. Another thing you should probably include in the tweet is, I don't know, hashtag love. Yeah.

Also, thanks so much, everyone who's been sharing the show with your Twitter followers and with your friends. It means the world to us because we are two busy boys and we have a hard time right now promoting the show. And we think we've got something. And it's been growing basically entirely because of those people. Yeah, it has. All the new listeners come from people sharing the show.

And it means a lot. And we love you very much. It means so much. And that was just a little bit of gratitude. That was cool. This is nice. Yeah, this is nice. Everybody listening, just lie down on the ground and soak in that was just a little bit of gratitude. That was cool. This is nice. Yeah, this is nice. Everybody listening, just lie down on the ground and soak in this moment for a little while.

Jarvis will edit in 400 minutes of silence. Yeah, this is now headspace, the podcast. Take a little time. Jarvis, we have some questions for love today. Okay. And I'm going to kick it off with number one. What, if anything, is too serious to be joked about? Quick reminder that these are questions that will make two people fall in love.

Yes. Typically they're reserved for significant others or people who are dating seriously. And that's essentially what Jordan and I are doing as podcast co-hosts. I would say functionally speaking, being podcast co-hosts is not that far from being in a relationship.

Which is exactly the conversation we had in October when we did this the first time. Yeah. And I think that's true. And it's grown since then that was us that was like our first yeah we didn't even know what we were getting ourselves into and now it sort of feels like uh much like a relationship we have to make time for it yeah and that's of an element of stress like it's not stress-free having to make the time but the time is always valuable always it's like you know if there was ever a point where we both or at least one of us just hated doing the show that's when we break up but right now

this is date night baby this is date night this is date night and you know how when you normally go on a date you have to come up with a topic for the date and normally date nights would be private but we're joined by a bunch of emotional voyeurs whoa that's a crazy term i don't like that oh sorry emotional pervert thank you thank goodness that was so strange. I don't like that. Oh, sorry. Emotional pervert. Thank you. Thank goodness. That was so strange. We don't want our fans identifying as emotional voyeurs. We want them to have the much worse name. So the question one is what if anything is too serious to joke about?

Now, you can interpret this as just being kind of casual and applying levity to something. Right. Or it could be literally I have a knock knock about this tragedy, you know? So I actually I actually think it's complicated. I don't think that, absolutely speaking, anything is too serious to be joked about because of the power that humor can have to heal. Yeah. But what I do think is that not everybody can joke about everything. Sure. Because if you are making,

if you experience a trauma in your life and you deal with that with comedy and with humor, maybe dark humor, I don't want to take that away from you. But if you are making light of a situation that is painful to someone else, but do not identify with that situation yourself and you're simply just trying to ruffle feathers and trying to be interesting with how edgy you are

that's like where i get off the train dude i could not agree more i think there's often this weird misinterpretation of like comedy's an open medium and you shouldn't ban anything zero censorship you know on a fundamental level i 100 agree we shouldn't limit the comedic conversation around any topic but also comedy has a pragmatic side to it right yeah like you're a stand-up doing a show because you want the most people to laugh and you want to express your art and express your opinions in the process if you're in a small group maybe a party and you're all hanging out you're making a joke partially to make yourself look good, but also largely to incite a lot of laughter and joy and positivity. Totally.

If your joke is like engendering net negative emotion, just for you to validate like an opinion you have on something, just don't need to do that. Or even like oftentimes it's not even validating opinions. It's like, I just want to be cool and edgy. That's my brand. Yeah. But I will say that what you said is in line with my belief and what I learned in improv, which is like punching up versus punching down. Sure. Like you never want to be punching down.

And punching down means like there is someone who feels pain at the end of your comedy. Yeah. And that's, that's not okay to me, but I think that there are so many opportunities for comedy, even in the face of horrible circumstance, if you are tactful. And I think that it's even more amazing when you can, you can be cognizant of it's just it's very showy and easy to to just shock i mean that's the keyword right ease it is easy to go for the shock joke or to go for like the poorly crafted shock joke because the worst part about it is what you're doing when you make

a joke like that that you didn't really put the time into and is not really getting a great reception but you just did it for the initial shock is you're robbing somebody else of the opportunity to make the good joke. Every time somebody does that, it's like, oh, you've spent the currency we had. We can't make that many jokes about this thing, but if we are going to make one, it should probably resonate with people

and have some kind of insight. That's why in my mind, I have never seen a click hole or onion article that went too far. But I have seen click hole or onion articles the day after a mass shooting. But it's done with reverence and as you say punching up but also like genuine authority like it's written with an understanding of the scenario and with insight my favorite example of this and

it's it's like it's criticizing a horrific event but i think it doesn't it doesn't punch down to the um to the victims of anything it is the comedy is about the tragedy and about being self-critical sure and about being better and it's an onion headline that um is posted very often after every mass shooting which is no way to prevent this says only country where this regularly happens like i think that that is such an incredible critique of like the way that we address a lot of these like situations in the u.s well it's using comedy as a dialect not just as a refrain from seriousness like oh it oh, it's comedy. It's light.

It's here to make me laugh and here to make me forget. Instead, it says, OK, comedy has a kind of tricky, weird, somewhat backwards way of communicating information, but can do it just as poignantly if done well. Well, comedy and this is to speak to like some of the greats. Like Chris Rock has said this. Really anybody getting a car to get some coffee. Anybody who's gotten in a car for some coffee has said this. But comedy is very much like law. It's very much like mathematical proofs. You have an argument that you're making and then you prove it.

And oftentimes that argument is like what makes the comedy is how hard it is to immediately agree with the statement. And that's like what's really cool. It's like I'm going to say this statement. And it's like oftentimes it's like something really salacious. Like you should hit your kids. And then it's never really that. That's not the point. But it's like I've lost you and now i'm going to build a

case yeah for why uh i'm right i'm placing an audience in one place so that i may take them to another as opposed to just oh you're in that place well i'm just going to say this thing over in this place yeah yeah and i think what that serves to do is um shine a light on a subject and allow you to look at it from a different view which is like comedy in a lot of ways is pointing out the obvious like when you when you make a joke it's like oh that's true right um but in other ways it is looking at something from a different perspective and you're being brought to a new perspective and i think that that is the power of comedy um have you ever had a edgy comedy phase in your life were you ever the edgy joke guy i care too much about offending

people and i'm so deathly afraid of it that i don't even know i like want to make edgier jokes but i don't know that they won't be like, my friends will go, no, you just went too far. You're too. And I, and so like my, I, I like try to be, I think my, my challenge is like, I want, there are types of comedy that would be easy for me to do, but I'm like, what, how can I be happy and uplifting and critiquing and funny? Like that is hard. And it's not like I want to give myself an extra challenge but it is in line with like how i want to exist in the world so it's like my cross to bear a bit sure i mean like any other dialect comedy is just a method of expressing who you are

yeah be it through like a bit more of a cryptic method than normal communication but if that's the goal then you start representing yourself with a kind of comedy that you don't really align with yeah makes you feel edgy and on the on the fringe then you're gonna stay on the fringe you're not gonna feel like you're actually expressing yourself like i'm someone who loves a lot i love a lot of things i love a lot of people and i want it to be possible for me to communicate my critiques with from a place of love yeah like i wanted to be like i love you but like homie let's talk about how you know your place is always a mess when i'll be showing up and it's like damn you true that does sound just like me damn you true jervis um so jordan how about you and also

we should probably speed this up because i we got real into it on comedy which i'm glad we did deep in the cut but uh we're gonna just fire through we're gonna uh we're gonna keep fight well we don't have to fire through but we'll just be brisk yeah that feels good i would say at a high level no i don't think there is anything too serious to be joked about it's all about the method the dialect the approach i agree which is i think a very mediated response it's like hard to disagree with but people will disagree so just try and if you're gonna do it pen pals us i'll read it yeah get in there yeah uh oh we love being wrong well we have to be because we it happens a lot yeah

that's an amazing thing yeah teach us something like we would love to be like we would love to continue to learn because that's how we're going to get better. I feel like we can only provide so much insight on this question because of our backgrounds and, like, cultural preferences. But that's going to be the case for everyone. Every single person, regardless of your background, history, approach to comedy, whatever, is going to have just as valid and just as limited a perception on that. Exactly, yeah. Hit us up. Pen pals with a Z.

And if you leave out the Z, then going straight into the trash bin. Unfortunately, it goes straight into the trash to continue the trash tale of Jarvis Johnson. Yeah. It goes straight into, I print it out and put it in my trash. I put it in my neighbor's recycling bin. Don't tell them that on the show. Okay. Okay.

He listens every week. Every week. That's what he thinks I'm doing. Question two. If you could wake up tomorrow having gained one quality or ability, what would it be? Now, that's an interesting distinction. Yeah. Ability or quality.

Like, do you mean like supernatural ability? Yeah, like I can either have bone claws or be kind of patient with my close friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. kind of patient with my close friends yeah yeah you can either uh read a book simply by touching it or exercise restraint uh i i'm going to imagine those are like achievable abilities that real people have um though i really do today i was thinking like i would save so much time if i could just touch books and read them. Like that's a thing that like doesn't break the world to have,

but I really, really want. Okay, with those parameters, we'll each do, I want a ability that exists in the natural world that I could just gain through training or something else, or maybe not even train, just genetics that I don't have that I would like.

Or at plus, here is a semi supernatural ability that doesn't actually break the world but is a thing that would make my life a lot easier and things will break the world like time travel break the world like things flying anything that would brand you as a superhero and fundamentally change culture yeah but if i could uh if if i could read all the books it would just be like i was smart but i think it would just save me a lot of time and make me like feel really good about what i was able to get done it makes you really really really good at the thing you already do kind of yeah and that's like all i really want in the world uh and so

there's that and then in terms of uh in terms of something that is not supernatural i think i would love to and this is a journey that I'm currently on. So maybe I was gonna say maybe this is cheating, but I mean, we're able to develop abilities. I mean, I am scoring you at the end, but you can feel free to fudge this one. I would love to be more internally validated. Wow. I would love to care far less about other people's opinions and far more about my internal sense of self now i'm interested do you feel like that is a i mean that's certainly a quality

but do you feel like you know the source of that not being the case or is it just is it more nuanced than that like you can't determine it you only know that it isn't there i think well it's something i'm working on actually with my therapist but i think the root of it is very far back in my past you know like a lot of these like hang-ups are in the formative years in the formative years and i think that i was just very celebrated as like a young a young one and i became accustomed to like being the best and getting all the praise and stuff people People like me when I'm this. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think that, um, that led me down a long path of looking for other people's validation, uh, because it would give me the praise that like I fed off of. And only recently have I even had a taste of what it would be like if I kind of just like ran on my own and like didn't need anyone else. And that's where I want to be. And it's something I'm like working on actively.

I think that you need a mix of internal and external validation. You know, we've said previously, I think on the social anxiety episode where it's like a baby doesn't come out fully. A baby doesn't come out of the womb saying, I am myself whole. Baby doesn't come out fully into a baby doesn't come out of the womb saying I am myself whole. Baby doesn't come out and go. I like hanging out with people, but really I need to recharge at home. Yeah. Yeah. And so like, but I think there's a balance there.

And I don't like where my where my top I don't like where my stats are right now. Sure. You've got some in agility, mostly in external agility yeah i'm like a glass cannon so to speak so i've like got really high attack stats but really low defenses classic dps yeah i've got really good dps but i respect that yeah i'm just like paper when you like you can just rip me up so jordan how about uh how about you what is your supernatural ability and then what is your like more mundane regular ability that is basically just like a shortcut on personal growth sure um i mean the thing that i would love to be able to do that wouldn't fundamentally change the world but would make my day-to-day process a lot easier and this

is pretty big so let me know if this is too out there okay i i i'm kind of pensive about this i don't know if it's a good idea or not. I think it would really limit my ability to relate to other human beings. But I've always loved the idea of eliminating sleep as a thing that is required. Yeah, I've also thought about that a lot. Like removing a need. Hey, you have surplus time. You have surplus health. This is a supernatural one, right?

Yeah, this is a supernatural one. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the ability I'd like to wake up with that most people have, but I've just been unable to attain. You'd like to wake up with the not need for sleep? That's pretty weird. I guess I would just never wake up because I've just been unable to attain. You'd like to wake up with the not need for sleep? That's pretty weird. I guess I would just never wake up because I never went to sleep. Yeah. The paradox.

I really want that so bad. It's just like, I mean, I have very bad sleep. I have for most of my life, but it's not the end of the world. It's just something that I kind of wrestle with here and there. To get rid of that would be nice. Right. But something that would be like, that's borderline superhero. You get to just use all of, and I'm assuming that you have just kind of like a medium level

of energy at worst case scenario. And then as you eat well and exercise and stuff, maybe it goes up. Honestly, I think it's like the same level as my read books thing. Like if I could read every book, like by a touch, I would just go to like a library and I would, I think that it would be similar like yeah sleep gives you like a lot of more active time and like books give you a lot of like passive like knowledge i think in both scenarios we both go insane because we've experienced more than the human brain i would listen to that podcast it's two way more interesting versions of

us that die after episode three we've lived four million lives do you think you'd have to be like cautious about how many books you absorbed i would be afraid of catching some books that would be that would be the downside it would be like what if somebody wants to like feed me with like this really hateful book yeah oh somebody threw that at me yeah and then i touch it and then i'm like oh god mine comps and for the less supernaturally ability, I would probably lean towards like, honestly, something pretty similar. It would be either physiologically being capable of more consistent sleep. Yeah. That's reducing fatigue.

That's reducing mind fog. Just like a nice domino effect on the rest of my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's something that I can achieve with a lot of work. But that's, I'm in the same boat with my, with mine, which is like, it's, it's a journey. We just want the shortcut. Yeah. I don't enjoy the journey of that thing. And it's a thing you have the same boat with my, with mine, which is like, it's, it's a journey. We just want the shortcut. Yeah. I don't enjoy the journey of that thing.

And it's a thing you have, we have to do, right? Because we want that world and we have to pay that down. But wouldn't it be nice if we could just, you know, if you had enough money to retire tomorrow, like it's not going to change as much of your life as you think it would. Exactly. But it'd be a nice cushion. It would be a game changer. It would allow you to pursue the things that were otherwise more valuable to you like okay if i no longer have to

be tired like two days out of the week yeah then i can spend that time that i would have been spending tired achieving things that i really really care about another good example would be like i mean there's a reason that i didn't say immediately become a maestro at the piano i've been learning the piano for about a year now and i really enjoy it and every time i get a little bit better i get a little boost of catharsis you know right i'm growing development human beings build fire build wheels like that lizard brain part yeah it starts to flicker and if i would just say become a maestro sure it would be fun to play music with people and it would be fun to have an amazing time as a very talented musician but that's like not outside the realm of possibility.

And I enjoy the process. Something like, you know, getting a better diet. I would just rather just have the better diet. I can just get that right now. Cause I don't enjoy changing it. Totally.

I think in a lot of ways, not needing to sleep is like waking up and having enough money to retire. Because like a lot of your other than the fact that work can sap your energy you like in both of those the time that you would be spent spending working is like negated sure you know what i mean by the time you wouldn't be the time you're pursuing things you care about i want that so bad okay let's go let's retire right now what's the next one that's a hundred thousand dollars each that's not really enough to retire but but do it anyway for now i'm vidmo at jarvis certainly not for the rest of my life um number three yes the final dangerous and fearsome

question of all this one i'm actually most excited about to see the pen pals from because uh you'll see why the fans are gonna have to project in an interesting way and i want to know what their interpretations of us are this it's like this twitter message is shouting at me they have to project it yeah sorry i'll be in block capitals name three things that you and your partner slash podcast host with they put that in the new york times article that was weird it says jordan cope that's very specific and this is sent directly to my email it has picture of my home from the outside okay so this guy knows right it's a photo of us in a position we've never been in uh it sounds like me but um and the question is

uh yeah name three things that you and your partner have in common. Oh, oh, well, this one's easy. Now, I'm going to outlaw two very specific arenas, one being our racial background, or at least interpretation of our racial background, and the other being our birthday. Which, who, oh, dear listener Sarah Lamb very recently found out that we have the same birthday oh how did she react anybody that doesn't know this yeah well so basically the reason the show exists yeah jordan and i have had a special kinship since we met because of the similarities that we had it like yeah is that does, is that consistent with your experience? Because, you know, we are, and I just learned specifically the other half of my like racial background recently, but we're both half black and half British.

Yeah. It is downright spooky. I almost didn't want to see the 23andMe results because like, no, no, no, no, no, please. It'll just make us closer. Yeah. And, and, and we also were both born on May 5th. Yeah. So to be crystal clear, cause you mentioned, you're not sure how much this wigs me out every single morning I wake up, I take a shower, I brush my teeth and then I scream in the mirror for the existential dread that it gives me that we have the same birthday and racial

background. Yeah. And I mean like we've also, uh, other things that I'm going to outlaw, uh, like we have similar styles to a degree yeah like we will we have more than once showed up at work wearing the same outfit and that just gets weird for everyone and as far as you know that's coincidental and i'm not watching you weird it's that email has a live webcam feed registered to me i kind of screwed up on that part you emailed this to yourself you're the mastermind yeah uh tell you what jarvis since we're wrapping up anyway how about we each just throw one thing at one another okay that we we see to be similar and the reason i'm so excited for people to write about this one is i want people to identify three things uh i think public tweet would be a fun way

of doing it so good to you but if you want to just shout out at the at sad boys pod twitter account and just say the three things that you think you share with either of us, like one for me. That's cool. Whatever you like. Three for each. I don't make us feel closer to the listeners as well, because I want to know what we have in common. Yeah. And it can be like, feel free to project to just say like, oh, just like Jordan.

I also love this video game that I have never mentioned talking about on the podcast. But like, if you think I like it. Was it Burnout Paradise? Sorry, that's enough. The fans know how much I love Burnout Paradise. Okay. But like, yeah, if there's anything that you think might not be true, but you have a hunch about, dude, throw it out there. We'll confirm on the night.

Yeah, that would be so much fun. That'd be really fun. Ideally, I want every single fan of the show to tweet out and discover that we all share a birthday. I feel like we, honestly, like, let's just go through more of the similarities. Sure. Similar taste in music. We do have a different-ish taste in music, but similar taste in comedy. I would, actually, just to jump back to music, I would say that we have a similar experience with music.

That's true. Where we both identified very heavily with kind of in a funny inverse with the uh racial identity that we most identified with and the music associated with that yeah like you gravitated towards rap initially yeah and i identified towards rock initially yeah and then we sort of inverted at maybe puberty time or whatever and i fell into hip-hop from like age 10 plus and then you transitioned over to a lot of uh traditionally white rock and roll yeah yeah and it's and now i feel like a lot of the stuff i'm really into is like people with who were exactly half black and half white there's something weird about that like i i i identify with that for some reason you know are you a big logic fan

uh did you know that logic is half black that's a who can relate that's a that's a that's a logic community joke yes um because uh people who like to make fun of logic point out how he always talks about that i um logic i okay high level i love logic i Logic. Just as an existence. The music software, yeah. I love Logic, the music software. No, I love Logic, the person and the rapper. And I think that even if in his music, I wax and wane a bit. I like his mixtapes a lot. I don't love a lot of his like more recent projects but at the same time i i still listen i

still um am into them because i want more people like him yeah successful like he has such a good message and he's such a positive goofy dude um and that just makes me so happy i'm so i'm just so happy for him so he's a person who i like want to succeed absolutely i mean i'm not the world's biggest logic fan i've never listened past like half of a single album at a time it's never quite captured me but that's more like an instrumentation and tonal thing it's not like a uh his background or his message or his truth that i don't agree with i totally agree with it. One thing that I get really inspired by whenever I think about logic,

which I do every night before I close my eyes. Yeah, it's true. Well, every morning you scream about our similarities. Every night you close your eyes thinking about logic. I shed a single tear and I go, did you know it was biracial? And I fall asleep. J. Cole went platinum with no features.

Good night. J. Cole's another one I love nicki minaj was number one without an album of her own i just go to sleep yeah yeah and uh drake was nominated for a grammy with a mixtape yeah i like to recap the latest music yeah well this is we're talking about shit from 2010 at this point that's true there's a hot new kid on the block called kendrick lamar i'm really behind yeah well i can only do one headline a night. Has anyone heard of Ja Rule? What's the deal with these kids from Liverpool?

But yeah, I'd say... Is that a Beatles reference? Yeah. Okay. I had to represent, you know. That's how black I am. That I had to double check that it was a Beatles reference. I'm so white.

I was like, Eminem, he's a black rapper, right? He's one of the cool ones he's brown on the inside and you know the colors of the rainbow on the outside yeah it's interesting that eminem a man often accused of co-opting black culture not that i think that's entirely accurate i think it represents his culture just fine but it's a medium most often associated with black backgrounds yeah um also chose a nickname reflective of a candy that's black on the inside yeah well i mean like that was his thing that was like what he like he grew up in that culture and like i think that he was like given that um nickname by other people kind of pretty baller

marshall like remember in the the blackness episode when we talked about uh oreos you know yeah hey marshall come on the show. Let me tell you how much I didn't like your latest record. I'm sure that'll make for a great episode. I still would love to have him on. I just have so many. We would give him an interview. He would never.

Oh, 1,000%. He would never. Escape from. We would love to know. He would never escape from. He would become a harabandem. Jordan, we didn't really choose a similarity, but I think it's because we have so many, and I think it's more interesting to talk about our differences which we did do today

yes most definitely and if you have a weird similarity that you think you share with us or hey actually now that you've said that if you have like a really distinct difference too like if we've made allusions to certain political alignments that you don't jive with and you have like some interesting perspective on it i just want like no yeah bernie sucks like i don't want i want like actually you sort of uh offhandedly suggest that you believe this i have all of this data information suggesting this yeah we're like strong opinions weekly held kind of people i think we're always like open we're open-minded and i think that that's like the way that i always want to be in the world because i don't want to

pretend like i know the answers to everything like feel free to convince me otherwise hit me up i've learned like fundamentally or like things that have altered my fundamental worldview in like the last two weeks and that'll happen every couple weeks somebody will suggest something i'll go no way nice try and then they'll prevent just like a tiny amount of real data and i don't know shit that actually changes well everything i guess i don't shower anymore that was the latest one oh right right well now you just take baths yeah i only like i lie down in the shower yeah dry they're called dry showers i have a series of hair blowers that i fire at myself until i am clean young jarvis yes that was the whole show

that was the whole podcast that's a whole sad boys another one when are they gonna stop i don't know a thousand years from now a thousand years from now we are attached to the haitian contract the haitian contract for all time along with sisyphus and that's great who knows anyway if you are a fan of the show, we're both pretty tired. We're both pretty tired. Real quick, before we close out, I want to give a shout out. Big shout out. To our main man, Kyle Marshall.

The kid, Kyle. Who made a video about social anxiety inspired by the Sad Boys. It's literally just everything you could have hoped for from a sad boys episode but better shorter and with a cooler person i mean head over to the kyle marshall on twitter and check out this video kyle makes really awesome videos and he's very prolific it's quite inspiring he makes like very consistently good consistently released videos yeah kyle marshall you are an inspiration i know it's freaking gold because i do neither i know it's ridiculous i think he like posted when he put out like 666

youtube videos and i was like what oh my god and he finally summoned it's jordanius copious again yeah the haitian contract no a thousand more years of podcasts uh big shout out to kyle we love you kyle marshall you are a day one, a day one sad boys fan. Yes. And we love you for it. Thank you. And we're sorry for it. Thank you.

And we're sorry. I want to give a little extra love also to our lady Bri Bri. I feel like I didn't say that nearly enough when you read the message. It's really, really neat that she sent in such a cool and insightful message. Sad Bri. You got to let us know what happens next big fan of brie brie uh outside of that jarvis where can people get some more sad boys if this wasn't enough people can get some more sad boys in your feeds open up your podcast app right now

and scroll down whoa there's so many other episodes there god um wait not that one that one's bad scroll down no yeah that one's okay it's pretty good i had that great virtue remember yeah but the audio quality was yeah a little iffy on that one so maybe scroll up that one golden if you could recommend an episode jarvis what would it be a recent one a recent one would be social anxiety with lauren shippen social anxiety was really fun uh crying with mayuko is a classic a classic uh what was the other episode with mayuko oh where are you where are you really from that one of the og favorites that's one of the og episodes um if you want more sad boys content we tweet from sad boys pod on twitter we facebook from facebook.com sad boys pod we email at sure is that how it goes yep that's where that's how i'm going to this we email we email at sadboyspod at gmail.com and take a peek and tell you what if you haven't tried

saying sad boys into a mirror three times something might happen i don't know unconfirmed yeah who knows and if you leave us a five-star review on itunes something might happen honestly i don't want to spoil the surprise something amazing it happens pretty fucking lit and you'll feel it immediately the second you hit enter the rush of endorphins will take over and you'll be like this is the greatest drug i've ever experienced in the rush of in dolphins we will send dolphins to your home that's the surprise yeah yeah the rush of it's a huge crime it's unfortunate but it's a small price to pay for your five-star reviews likely incentivizing a small task that our fans have done we uh we actually did do a deal with the

with the devil and it's to control aquaman so we now get to control the dolphins as a result young jarvis but what if i just want you specifically what if i'm like okay this show's great i really hate about 50 of it i only want the cool guy how do i find it's cute that you think you contribute 50 of the show uh because i look at the waveforms and boy does jarvis talk a lot if you want to hear more from me uh if you want to hear more from waveform the kid waveform the boy i'm uh I'm available at twitter.com slash Jarvis. I can be found on YouTube, youtube.com slash Jarvis Johnson. Instagram, Magic Jarvis.

But they all link to each other, so you'll figure it out. Jordan, where can we find our sweet boy? You can find your sweet boy at Jordan Adika. Jordan A-D-I-K-A. One word. Dad? That was pretty good, right? That was not horrible.

You're a southern authority. You can tell me whether or not that was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was pretty. I do declare. I do declare. You may have found me at that address. Outside of that, I don't really do a lot on Instagram, but I'm trying to get better at it. So if you want to follow me there and message me if I don't do anything, that would be greatly appreciated.

One final teaser I want to give out on the show. Okay. Is that something is happening. I am starting a thing. No spoilers, but get excited for a thing in the coming months. The gears are in motion. Same. It's not video essays, but it is neat.

Same. Get excited. I'm going to be trying to put out some more YouTube stuff. You've been very consistent lately. I have been. You're almost a Kyle Marshall of yourself. You know, I'll never... It'll take me roughly a thousand years to reach that level, but I...

You're training under his tutelage. I'm trying, I'm trying. Yeah, I might do a thing where I produce even more frequently on YouTube. We'll see what happens. But... In the meantime... Please support me over there if you can help a brother out.

Who's this now? This is me. Oh, God, he's back. I really... I don't like this guy at all. We don't get along. All right. As is customary on Sad...

He's slowing down. Boys. Oh, my God. There's steam coming out of his ears. Jarvis, wake up. As is customary on side boys we like to end it with a special phrase jordan yeah you're gonna join me on this one um let me check on my publicist one second and the publicist is my cat and she says yeah that's fine okay do you mind if i bring in the norse god to do this uh i mean be my guest we love you and we're sorry

oh dear yeah i don't want to host with this guy was that okay We'll see you next time.