Sad Boyz - AI Is Destroying Dating Apps

Episode Date: May 30, 2026

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also, I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. Does my voice sound normal? Sounds cool. What's the normal? That's insulting. I shouldn't say. I didn't mean like you're not normally cool.

I think you sound a little, um, raspy, not raspy, but. I don't feel like I'm like losing my voice because I haven't. No, I feel good. But it's like you, it's like you maybe like didn't sleep much last night or something. You're like a pony. A little bit. I was up late playing Magic the Gathering. Okay.

That's right. Okay. is this um it's uh from remember from freaking uh south park yeah i love dark comedy that guy from that stuff that stuff you respect my thought yeah yes different character that is really cool you've seen the show turn off my turn off uh um go on you've seen that you know that freaking turn off my body cam God, man I guess I've not seen the episode

But that sounds pretty dark Yeah, it's pretty dark Yeah, it's pretty dark So they say like, how do you kill that Which has no life Oh, turn on my body game It's about world Of rooscape

Oh man Did you ever have a very unironically Would state Yeah, I have kind of a dark sense of humor Uh, no I don't think I ever Even considered that I like dark humor. That was never like a brand you tried on.

I was so obsessed with just being funny in whatever form was the community. People around me laugh. Yes. Okay. And so that's how I, and that's why I started imitating family guy characters because that was a shortcut to comedy as a middle schooler. And then you find yourself in the dark humor. I mean, even the term dark human now is like so incredible, like it's only ironic. It's only a joke term. But there definitely was a period of time where that was like Anthony Juselnick, I feel like the start of his career was, dark humor unironically because he'd like tweet something at like it would be like a horrible atrocity happened uh and then he'd like get a joke off about it and people would be like wow

how can you do that but there was this whole like schick whereas now it's like oh yeah of course you can do it that's now the normal thing to do it he was kind of the first rage baiter yes very successfully i mean not the first but you know what i mean he's one of those cases where like you can actually make a case for, oh, well, this was him joking because it's not been reflected in his, like, behavioral politics outside of it. He does seem like a nice guy and he seems like a pretty self-aware guy. As opposed to, like, a lot of, this guy's so funny. Hmm, Ricky Jervais is joking a lot about trans people. Okay, I guess he's just being edgy and, oh, no, he seems to believe these things.

It is a little bit too, like discovering that it almost feels like he discovered a cheese strategy. Yes. In a fighting game. He clipped in the corner and, like. And then he was like, oh, wow, I'm actually getting lots of, like, high-rank wins with this cheese strat. But then he realized how easy the cheese strat was to implement. And then was like, this isn't actually help. This is not actually helping my core skills at the game.

And this is now the meta. Everyone's playing this character. And now this is the meta. So I now need to go off meta to have fun again. Need a little bit of honor in it, you know. Because I think he has, like, a podcast or something where he's, like, kind of nice. he it's because he yeah I actually don't know what he's up to

I don't associate him with that anymore but I also just don't really know what that is anymore like what is the it's the roast comedy I actually I didn't watch that I that shit's unbearable you watched it I I dabbled in the clips I saw it in rotation

fucking was it Kevin Hart roast yeah Kevin Hart roast I know Zay watched it I also feel like just like the comedy window is always moving and it's always a reflection of the current like moment and we live in a We live in a constantly making jokes about killing yourself time.

And so that is, that is like a dark humor that is now table sticks. Yeah, I feel like the expectations for what you can even say at a roast. Like, well, so Kevin Hart, maybe not the strongest target because his, a huge portion of his career is predicated on like, I'm a short stupid guy. I'm silly. And it's like, what is the joke? It can't be that he's short. We can't do that anymore. There's nothing to that.

Oh, there's got to have been short, were there short jokes? It's almost exclusive. Tons of short jokes, tons of like, but that's the thing is that's pretty much where the precision went away. It's like, he's short. Okay, well, that's observable. And that's the joke. And then everything else is like, like the most biting stuff in the whole thing was when, uh,

is it Chelsea Handler? Am I mixing? No. Chelsea Handler. Was it? Because I'm about to make, accuse them or something. She was on it. Yeah, she was on it.

Yeah, it was a Chelsea Handler beef. with um hilarious comedian uh Tony kill zone or whatever I'm like his name Tony Hinchcliff

Tony Hinchcliff Gould Goll and zombie Hinchcliff sounds like a like a tech and like a call of duty game like oh yeah to get up to the roof you have to do a Hinchcliff

I'm running A and throwing U-Till and I'm calling I'm calling zone I'm calling zone okay Hinchcliff well we'll get him next time but like he obviously told a lot of epic jokes like, what if a baby exploded?

You know, like really epic stuff. Okay. And then she was moving with him and Shane Gillis, who structurally is a comic, I think, is funny. A lot of misses for me lately or in that last special. I did watch his last special. I haven't seen his last special, but in general, I mean, he's obviously a funny guy. It's just like not a lot to, it's not like funny and like, oh, that's a well-observed thing

that he's making funny. It's more in like a, this guy is very in-person funny because he carries himself in a funny way. that is like a cool like I think that that is something to be admired is how do you transfer that fun because like I think of Kevin Hart you know like Kevin Hart obviously was successful as a comedian and did like arenas and stuff with comedy which is a whole different that feels like more of a musical performance yes like than comedy because like it's a different vibe that it feels like the comedy comes from a different place but I've always thought of Kevin Hart as like an energy comedian where it's like it's based and very similar to like Dane Cook you know yeah Dane

cook I felt was an energy comedian too oh yeah quite literally it'd be like it'd be set it shapes and sounds and not so much like structural jokes it is like a little bit like how people will be like wow this person's funny they should do stand up or this person does stand up they should host a podcast like the rotation of transferable funniness being kind of a myth where it is more just like independent skills that can correlate yeah does for a rena stuff what this person's really funny in the office they should do the show the office they're such a good comedic actor they should probably do stand-up yeah well it's like Dwight doing stand-up at an arena like what would that

even be short Jim putting the audience in yellow looking left and right at different cameras around the arena oh my god puffing at his cheeks that almost feels like something there's something there that's kind of funny yeah it was not um solid, but I did not know some of the things they were saying about Chelsea Hanlon that she was,

she's proactively Zionist. Oh. And she also attended a dinner with Jeffrey Epstein. Oh. Can we triple check? This is Chelsea Hanlon. I do forget.

She was there, but there's a more white woman and I don't want to. We should triple check, but I do think you're right, by the way. Yeah, if we said Shane Gill as Chelsea Adel, it would be like the first thing. You know, doing Zionist so-and-so.

Which was like, That got a decent pot because that is like an observed thing. Like Shane Gillis was just saying it and part of the joke was, isn't that crazy because it is a thing no one's still eating out. I mean, that is pretty funny. That like, also does not even delivering it as a joke. That's good. That worked.

And then like, I mean, I barely even saw any of the jokes. Again, I was just watching the clips, but I didn't see any of the jokes about Kevin Hart because I just don't think there's that much to observe. I do think it's funny. The splash damage in, in these roasts because for whatever reason you're just roasting everyone else also yeah you do the rotation you're doing like it feels like you're doing like support like uh a oe and like you have

you're like charging your oil but you have to charge your oil by doing auto attacks to like all the other people everything's on you have to you have a different cool down for each person you have like hit cat williams with a cool down so you have enough time to go up to just ily yeah he It does sound like he's taking poison damage. That's, that's, that's, that's Cal Williams, uh, taking, taking the damage. Oh. K.O. K.O.

Um, so the NBA finals are upon us. Almost. So it's funny because when this comes out. Well, no, it's just that the, uh, New York Knicks have played like the fewest possible, close to the fewest possible games to be a, NBA finals because they've just like done a bunch of consecutive sweeps. So, uh,

did you know that Carl Anthony Towns on the New York Knicks has not lost a basketball game since he was in Devil Wears Prada too? I do know this. Coincidence. Because I'm on NBA Twitter, but otherwise, uh, Carl Anthony Towns of the New York Knicks does a cameo. Does a cameo in Devil Wars Prada too. replaced Mel Street with Ann House.

As himself. As himself. And yet, people kept tweeting like, Carl Anthony Towns is now six and no since talking to Ann Hathaway and devil worded fraud at two. Carl Anthony Towns is now seven and O and now he's eight no. Because it was like two, they had two back-to-back sweeps. And the thing is the NBA basketball. Okay. It's the middle of letter. You have a ball orange round.

Ball orange round. Goes in hoop. Good. Not as heavy. Not in hoop bad. A lot of air in the ball. In case anyone's wondering, it's heavy. Yeah, and it bounces from all the pressure and the rubber.

Not forever. You cannot bounce it forever. It will eventually get damaged. Keep that in mind. It'll just run out of air. You can't do it for like 80 years. It will run out of air. Yeah, I mean, not even, you have much less time before the pressure goes down.

Also, if it sits, the pressure gets, like the air slowly leaks out. But anyway, so just for people who are not familiar, because I'm going to try to make this as accessible as possible because you actually don't need to know anything about the sports, but I want to give a little bit of, I want to give you a little bit of the vegetables inside of the pasta, you know? I just ate pasta, right, a second ago. So all my metaphors are going to be pasta-related. Anyway, a twisty-tony spaghetti still. So a tagliatelli.

So the way that the NBA postseason works, or the NBA season really, is that you've got an Eastern conference and a Western conference. And the teams on the East and the West are mostly competing amongst themselves for ranking. And then when it comes to the playoffs, it's like two sides of a bracket almost. And they are heading towards the finals. So if you're in the East, you have the Eastern path to the finals. You play against Eastern teams and you go to the Eastern Conference Finals. And if you win the Eastern Conference Finals, boom, there you are in the NBA Finals representing the East. And then the NBA Finals representing the West is the same thing on the Western side.

So the New York Knicks, they just won their two series. Well, they won all their series, but the last two series that they won, they completely swept. And they are now in the finals. But the way that these work is that the way that these games work is a big. best to or it's a first of four so it's best of seven um the fewest number of games you can play is four uh which means you have the max you've exerted the minimal amount of like energy and you have the maximum amount of time to rest um you would want to do that if you could but usually the other team's putting up a fight and they don't want to lose the game so they

try to win the game. Yeah, you might be thinking, oh, that's what I do. Yeah. But one of the biggest things that gets in the way is the other team. The other team wants to get in the way of that. They almost always want you to lose. They actually want that as well. Yes.

Some would argue. Which you can say it's kind of a conflict of interest. Yeah. Conflict of interest, if you just take those words, conflict of interest. These teams are interested in basketball and they're having a conflict over it by having a game of basketball. Yes. Which really, is that ethical? Conflict of interest sounds like a

like a sports rom-com Oh yeah, conflict of interest Actually, Conflict of interest is a business rom-com about a quirky salesman who's Trying to get a leg up in his business Played by Colin Three Towns Played by Carl Anthony Towns

And then a badass business lady Who's the top of her game Rival teams Is love going to get in the way of their big acquisition, it's going to be a merger. It's going to be a, the two companies are going to merge or something like that. That's also on the...

It's like Sandra Bullock and Carly, I don't know why Sandra Bullock, but Sandra Bullock and Carlitha Towns conflict of interest. Damn, that's good. Somebody, has there ever been a wrong couple of conflict of interest? Should we cut it from this episode so no one steals your idea? No, go. And we write it.

Please, fire away. It just feels like the perfect crime. Conflict of interest that were... There was a... There's been two movies called conflict of interest. I knew it. Either of them romcums. One was a 1993 film conflict of interest. When Mickey returns to police force after long hiatus, no, I don't think that's a rom-com.

And the other one is just about dividends or what? And the other one is a true story about love, betrayal, and forgiveness reveals that family is God's most precious gift. Okay, so I still feel like there's there's, there's room for our, our big studio, our big studio rom-com. Rom-coms are back. The momentum is back. We can get Rob Patton there maybe if we're really ambitious. Oh, my God. Tim, I think Tim, Chal is officially out of out.

You know what? He's never done a rom-com and I want to see him in one. I feel like 35-year-old Timmy is going to be a, he's going to just do a rom-com run where he's in like nine of them. Especially if we make it basketball themed. It'll be like Rachel McAdams in the 2000s. I actually, I don't know how many rom-com she was in. I know she was in Mean Girls, which is not a rom-com, but then she was in the notebook right after that.

Well, let's look at... She was in that rom-com with that guy. So she's been at least a couple of them. Send help. That's got some rom and calm. Hell yeah. Anyway, basketball. So conflict of interest, our new movie is not what we're talking about today.

Can I just give a fun fact? No. If you win in four games, that's a sweep. But if you win in five games, but the other team wins one, they... That's called a gentleman. And I just think that's really fun. That's, it's like, look, I'm a gentleman, so I'm not going to completely shame you. It's like a JV.

It's like a JV. To me, it's like a Baker's dozen. You know, you have a little extra on the top. But thanks Baker. We're going to come back to the Knicks, but I just have to say the West has been much more competitive in terms of like the back and forth. So the Spurs in OKC are two and two right now entering game five. And it's been a good series, and I think it will continue to be good series. It's been wacky wild.

I mean, Victor Wimbunyama, my goat. God, she's from California and he's from like, like, like upstate New York or something. And that's part of their cultural differences. Wait, wait, wait. They're both generals of the army. militaries that are fighting against each other. Yes. One of them.

Oh, my God. It's a civil war. It's a civil war. Yeah. Wait a second. It's a civil war in a post-apocalyptic future. This is what happens when, like, studio notes come in and, like, we had a... This is a really cool idea.

Is it possible this could be set in the Mad Max verse? Okay, yeah. It's a period piece slash Mad Max, Bridgeton... A Dunkirk tag on the idea. Is there a non-ci-fi and-or that we could be throw on the table? The force is in it, but we have to call it the stuff. Miticlorians read it and we have to call them mitochondradorians.

Gliss one. We have the rights to the recently deceased Dame Judy Denton's face. Can we use it in this? Oh, I thought you were telling us that we sad boys have those rights.

And I was like, dude, we could use that for the Anastasia V-Tuber. We could make Anastasia Dave Judy Deutch. Oh my God, that's actually a good idea. That's maybe not in good taste. But what is

good taste. Is today sponsored? Just kidding. Check out the movie. Was my lunch? So, anyway, the East is set for the finals. The Knicks are in the finals. But the West is going to take,

they're going to be alternating games for the next three days. So we'll know. The finals are in June. But the West is representing the 49 remaining states after Sultan Mamdani seceded from the United States, obviously, to create the Muslimic caliphate.

The Muslimic caliphate of, New York City. You can do as long. It's scary. I'm in a basketball chat where I think some people in there might not love that I'm in there because I keep saying that there's this corgi on. You got to stop talking about the corgi. You got it.

This is the third time I'm afraid you bring up this damn corgi. There's this corgi that predicted. Yes. The series, and he's accurate. The corgi was around last year, too. Yes, this corgi is good. This corgi's good. And he predicted what's going to happen in this spurs series.

No less accurate than any on TV personalities for sports, if I'm honest. Is he being Stephen A. Smith, though, that's fine. It is edited. So there's a chance that the corgi's owner just has him do as many. In fact, that's almost 100% what's happening. Kind of a, I mean, I don't want to say it. Conflict of interest. Thursdays on NBC

Yeah, we walk out in the green screen After every Spurs Thunder game I say the Corgi is still accurate in this group text and no one hearts it Maybe you got one thumbs up, no reply Exactly You're like the Mayan calendar says

The fuck did we murder How do they know about the spurs So The reason I wanted to bring up the Knicks though is because New York is having a renaissance, a mom d'anyissance. And the, first of all, I want to talk about Timmy Shalame. So Timothy Shalmay is a big New York Knicks fan, has been for, I assume, his whole life. There's like, you know.

He grew up in New York. He grew up in New York. And there's old, there's old tweet records of him meeting Knicks players in, like, Grand Central Station. That's a new, wait. Yeah, okay, sorry. I had brain fart. in Grand Central, I was like, that is where it was. Meeting basketball players that I couldn't even name

and pick out in a lineup in Grand Central Station when he's like 10 years old. He's like a basketball fan first and then an actor. Yeah, he's, I get it though because like I've met people like him and it's like if I was, I would be like that if I was in his position. Oh yeah. If I could be courtside, I'd be jumping up and down

and high-fiving everybody. I'd be being in the team. It's how I look watching a smash tournament. The few times I've been... Be popping on. The few times I've been in person during a smash event. I've been too nervous to say things most of the time. Yeah, if you put me in like...

But I was popping off in person and being like, that's my guy. If I was there and I like, yeah, sheepishly trying to tap up Zane and then miss it. When J. Mook was having his run, I saw him play at like a Ludwig event. I was like, my fucking G. We're friends now. You don't know about it. that but you and me the last time the next year in the finals was in the 90s and timothy shallamee was born in 98 97 96 he's 30 so 96 I'm guessing 6 um so yeah basically since he was born

and there's this video of him that some people are clining but I actually think it's cute and there's two things about it that I want to point out short had timbo's a little weird oh really people people I've only seen thirst people about it. I'm on board. This is a cool look. It's just kind of darned. I think he looks very young, and I think that's what makes it jarring. Yeah. This was posted by someone who's a wife, presumably of one of the players, and the concept

of Timothy Shalmay being considered one of the wives and girlfriends. Yeah. He's probably hitting a point five. And so that's cute. And then they did tag him, which I also thought was funny. And then... He took him last. Oh yeah, so this video.

He looks like so much younger than he is in this video just because of joy. Yeah. And I think that that is a lesson that we deage ourselves by loving things. This is why people assume that we're like 19 or 20 most of the time. Okay. Probably just because of the youthful energy. True. Let me buy glasses on to see this, by the way.

Dude, tears in his eyes. Jalen Brunson shortest player on the court you can see because Timothy Shelby is like the same height as him Timothy Shalame vaguest height of all time

I can say that he's probably about six foot 6 1 I think I think he walked past me Jalen Brunson or Timothy Shalmy I know I know how tall he is because I just saw him hug Jailen Brunson and they were at the same height

and I know how tall Jailen Brunson is I could bet I could see him now hug someone else that's like 5-8 and be the same height as like he's a more he's a good actor yeah he's extremely talented he does the like Mark Zuckerberg thing where he like stands in the right place in the frame to like look taller

we don't talk about Mark Zuckerberg where it's like 5-7 or 5-6 or something and he like does the thing that dictators do where they like or Lord of the Rings did yeah or also also forced perspective he literally does that to like make himself look taller in photos we don't shame him that's such an odd I wouldn't have thought that be a priority for him. Oh, I mean, his image is a leader, though.

That's true. Jacob, can you show the second one that I sent you? And I also love, and this is me being parisocial, that Kylie Jenner is excited for him also. Yes, that is nice. Because she goes to all the games with him, and I think that's very sweet. Is Kylie the one that did the Pepsi ad?

No, that's Kendall. Actually, I don't know who did the Pepsi ad. Kendall did. Do you think he knows he's famous? MVP, MVP. MVP? Yeah. MVP.

was decided weeks ago, by the way. So that's just for the love of the game. That's Carl Anthony Towns who has not lost since talking to Ann Hathaway in a movie. The two of them, of course, starring in production that's coming out. That's McHale Bridges, who eats

Chipotle every day for the last 10 years plus and hasn't ever missed a game of basketball since he was in college. Despite having permanent diarrhea from the... His Wikipedia, Can we just look up

McHale Bridges' Wiki? His Wikipedia photo is so cute. It is really funny. It is funny. Like, because normally imagine like you're a professional athlete. Like, let's...

Wouldn't you want it to be you playing basketball in this? Not even what do you want. He doesn't get to edit his page. I don't know how he got a selfie that he himself took as his photo. That is, I'm so good.

That's a Uber driver with five stars on the dot. Not 4.9, 20,000 trips, most likable guy in the world. So cute. Nicknamed the warden. No one calls him about the hell. No one calls him that one. No one calls him that.

I'll take it. Anyway, yeah, he's having not missed a game in his NBA career since being drafted. And him, Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart all played on the same college team together. Yeah. And so they call it the Nova Nix because Villanova. But that's a pretty crazy thing that never happens also.

And they have a podcast. I can't sort of look at the image. If the roommate's podcast ever wants to collab. We're busy. I'm still rooting for the Spurs, I think. But you guys are cool. Is this photo? It's just like a perfect Fibonacci sequence.

Like everything's right. It's golden ratio, yeah. Anyway, he's shooting well for now. Good idea on his part. Yeah. Another great idea. Well, dude, I've heard, oh, God. I assume too many things about basketball to say.

There's a lot of stuff to say about that. And I can't do it because I've got to talk about Kylie Jenner. Because Kylie Jenner is a person that I didn't think I had anything in common with. She's a billionaire, I think. Yes. We are humble multimillionaires, unfortunately. Okay. I did not.

Have you been stealing the Patreon money? Well, wait. No, I'm not. I burned all of the cash on conflict of interest. I had to buy the license for the name. You've been here the whole time. How did you do that all on your phone? Oh, so we're just going to update on it.

It was scammed. Oh, no. Sorry, that was me. I said I could license conflict of interest for you. Oh, my God, no. Anastasia's a multimillionaire. That's like the movie Anaconda with Jack Black. His best friend says he can license the rights to remake Anaconda for his birthday, but he lied.

That's wild. That's the content of that movie? They go to. the Amazon rainforest and jungle and river to film to film the Anaconda

movie I don't make it I gotta watch it and then there's a real big Anaconda Yeah that's the main place for him I remember okay well

that's crazy Spoilers So so Kylie Jenner was on a podcast with Jake Shane Is that a same? Oh true I was saying

Our best friend Jake The red carpet interviewer. The red carpet interviewer. Target of hate. I feel, yeah, I felt so bad I went back around to rooting for him because I was like, damn. He's getting it pretty bad. I like this seat couch situation. Interesting dynamic.

It is. It's like cheated out. This must be what like being a cowboy's guest feels like. A guess. In the chair, angled. Yeah. But there's no. It does look nice on camera.

It does look nice on camera. It's funny to think about the practicality of it, but it does. Yeah. Yeah, it works. I have to adapt. Imagine how much side-ass you'd get, though, from this. Oh, I mean, Kylie's giving side-ass. But when you're Kylie Jenner, everybody, everybody, no one complains.

Yeah. No one complains. Not like when we're giving side-ass. When you're a couple of humble multimillionaires. What's that a complaint? Okay, stop saying that because I want that money that we don't have. Well, I'm lending it to a different account I have in Zurich. I've seen your pay stubs.

You're not, we're like, that's not sad boys, Wendy. I'm thinking of a dream That sucks Sorry I think you're a dream Fricken loon I think you have a drawing I did I'm thinking of money Doing money spreads in my dreams

Money spreads on a piece of A4 paper Where I wrote a billion Doing money spreads on the weird Shape of paper that the Zodiac killer used Because he didn't use A4 or 8 and a half by 11 He used like a different kind of legal Yeah I feel like they should have reached out

to stationary store owners. Staples and like, oh yeah, we have a serial killer. He keeps coming in and using this weird paper. We have an enormous scary guy wearing a mask. He loves, he keeps it going, I gotta write my codes over and over again. You're so silly, get out of here. Anyway, Kylie Jenner being relatable to me specifically, despite the fact that I didn't think this day would come.

Zeld is like one of the best games ever. What is the premise? Rated. Um, well, you are linked. Okay, correct. You are 100 years ago, oh my God, I'm gonna sound like such a nerd. That's okay. A hundred years before you, you're playing the game.

A hundred years prior, there was like a big war happening on with all the, with all the... See, I'm mad at Jake Shane for laughing. So this is a thing. I saw some tweets that were like, she's a thing that they called a candor, she's a fake fan. No, this is, this is amazing to me. This is someone becoming a fan of something and wanting to engage with. And being willing to acknowledge that they're in the process. This is someone's third time at the gym, not, like, being willing to ask questions.

I don't think there's, I'm more annoyed at Jake Shane, like, like, laughing about it because I am projecting a judgment. Yes. But I'm like, I know Jake Shane is not judging Kylie Jenner right now. That cannot be happening. So I'm, maybe I'm in, I know it's not like as ubiquitous as it would be an epa or whatever. but like what's the premise of Zelda? I know. I get like it's really one run down from Mario.

I know. I know. And you're in the, what's the military? The other thing is like if you're in Hollywood, I mean like Jake Shane's like a like podcaster and does TikToks and stuff, but I'm like, look, man, hero's journey. It applies everywhere.

Oh, brother. It applies everywhere. I just also, I don't know. That to me, it's not, I don't think it's before me to. I don't think it's like I have no idea because I think I think my most past that like, I don't know, I just don't know. It just feels like a little bit too crazy

to, also, kind of a wild question, to be fair, what is the premise of Zelda? Because if I wasn't talking about Breath of the Wild, I actually really would struggle to have. No, I mean, I certainly, I would start in a very different place because I would be like, oh, well, there's like a lot of them and the stories are different.

Which one specifically is? Like, what's the premise of Final Fantasy? Uh, well, there's like a lot of, A lot of fantasies. Yeah, too many. Too many fantasies. And it is not the final one, let me tell you. There's 17 of those shits.

Yeah, there's actually, I really don't know. She's done a much better job of summarizing it than especially if somebody else about lore or something about that I'm really into, I get paralyzed by the number of options and thoughts that come into my own. No, 100%. She was able to pretty healthily triage it down. And I think that's a healthy instinct to be unafraid to like make a mistake, to call the divine beast, the fantastic beast. These are things that people could make fun of, but I actually think

it's mirroring the right behavior. And I am a fan of that behavior out in the wild. I think people should be unapologetically nerdy. They should be unapologetically enthusiastic about their interests. And obviously, she's like feels the shame of, oh, I feel like I'm going to be such a nerd. But you can see that she's like like more than anything else, she's like excited to do it. Because why what reason? Like, you gain no, you gain, if I'm in this situation,

I would be like, oh, we don't need to talk about that video game shit. I'd be like, I actually hate that stuff. I don't know anything about that. What do you say? You said you love Zelle?

You said that? And have you, okay. Now, listen. If I, if I was to say something about it. The master short is on a flying dragon. I do feel empathetic

towards, like, her being like, I have to get this right. Yeah. When you go, into a realm that's a little gatekeeping. Yeah. And you make a mistake and people make you feel bad for that.

Like, yeah. I haven't been there so many times before. It's the gatekeeping success. It's like, oh, we gotcha. You're not allowed to not be an expert in the thing that you like. You're not allowed to, oh, you're wearing a Nirvana shirt. Well, have you heard this B-side on the deluxe edition of their second album? Oh, you haven't?

Okay, well, stop liking them. Well, then... Now. Well, I don't like the way you look. It makes me think that I'm not a real fan because of how you look. Something's wrong here, and it can't be me. It's like, yeah, Candy Crush, you're not a gamer. Gamer means something special.

Gamer means off-putting. Yeah, gamer means mean. You're not being difficult at all. That does or would still feel like shadow boxing a little bit now. Whenever somebody, like, harkens back to Gamergate mindset, it's like, or console wars. We still doing this? What the fuck? It's like those, on those remote islands where, like, after 50 years,

they find an American, like, a pilot who crashed in Japan in the jungle, and he's like, we're still at war, right? I do think it'd be funny to ironically engage in, like, console war displays. It would just be like, ugh, spoken like a true Xbox head. You're like, PC Master Race. Wow. And how many exclusives are there on the PS5 again? I thought so.

forward to playing Hayes the launch title for the PS3 on your Xbox. Wow, that's, how's that cell processor doing on that PS3? Making fun of someone for liking Zelda because they must be on GameCube. Oh, yeah. No. Let's play a little bit more of this clip. I'm curious. I actually don't know where it goes from here.

War, the world is like, you know. Shambles. Like everything. There we go. Jake Shane's in. Yeah. And then you get in there and your link. That's right.

And you're trying to save the world. world. Oh, I like that. Save the world. Yes. This is my appeal to Kylie Jenner. Finish Breath of the Wild. I cried at the end of Breath of Wild.

It's so good. You cry because it was too scary. Well, I don't like Gandorf. He's a big cat. What is he? He's a sexy cat. Okay, he's a sexy cat. And I don't like his red.

I don't like he's ginger. Turn this off. No, he's the only male Garudo. Yeah, what a lucky guy. Because I want a grudow over there. Yeah. No, it's okay. You did your best.

You don't take another. I want to, I want to, don't tell me what I can't do. Let's do the first one. I'm John Locke from Lost as a Garudo. Guru, don't tell me what I can do. Okay. It's Nisha, but I really like it.

So you can basically choose between open audience with a okay one or a great one for just Jordan. For just Jordan. No, never mind. I don't want to do that one. But anyway, shout out billionaire. This is our billionaire corner where we shout out our favorite billionaire. Oh, my God. Billionaire of the week.

You get the ground this week. It is easy to win us over and make us compromise all of our, like. political principles to just be like, I'm sick. These billionaires are destroying the country and then they just go like, you know, I really like Ninja Guidant too. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's exactly the thought process that Elon Musk. Oh, this is interesting. So I, it's so funny because Elon Musk is trying so hard through like subterfuge to be to be. be the gamer that he purports to be, whereas I feel like Kylie Jenner, by effortlessly kind of being, hey, I'm new at this,

but I'm really enjoying myself, that is much more endearing. Like we said, if Elon was just playing Path of Exile and was bad at it, it would be way more endearing than needing to be the best player in the world, except for you only play during Chinese daylight hours.

Weirdest thing. Yeah. When you're in meetings. Yeah, it's a misreading of culture in general, him being like, he's looking at the reactionary annoying Gamergate people, which I'm sure he indulges and indulged in at its height, and still thinks that's what the culture is. So he's going like, yeah, I need to appeal to these freaks,

as opposed to, no, the culture is referencing a popular switch game. That is actually what, if you want to win a good chunk of people, it's like a simple excessive. Also, breath of a lot now, 10-year-old games. Isn't that crazy? Dude, you can drive. No. Not legally, but you know, get in the...

It's a video game. Oh, right. I'm sorry. It can't even drive illegally. The link is, because now he's 10. His age is more of an interesting question. Go ahead. Look, he's...

The Zelda timeline. We don't have time for that. We should ask her about it. I mean... By now, she's probably so locked in. Got it all. I hope. I hope she doesn't...

I hope she continues. continue? What if there's like a photo of her playing it at a basketball game? Well, that's actually that's the thing that made me feel like, oh, she's like earnestly engaged. Like, I feel like people earnestly engaging with stuff is good. Yeah, you spend way too much of your life being told that, or not even being told, intuiting that that's in some way a bad idea.

Like you'll get caught for liking stuff and then. And I was like, because people go, hey, you like, you like wearing a brown shirt. Freaking brown shirt, like her. And everyone's laughing. And everyone points and laughs and they go, whoa, what an observation about this guy. He does love a shirt that's brown. Now, either what just happened is I'm surrounded by a bunch of people doing toxic gender performance that just want to other someone with anything.

Yeah, who want to belong to their own group of haters because they think it's like, it's like, well, if I'm pointing and laughing at you, then no one's pointing and laughing at me. Yes. Now, none of us have any traits or principles because we're telling us. Yeah, but we can drive If we stack on top of each other and kind of you do the pedals But I do think that's like I mean I can only we can only speak Fellas wise

But I feel like the moment I got cynical and skeptical and calcified and a lot of stupid mask behavior bullshit Was when I went like oh I can't be seen being too into something I can't be seen like caring about something too much because then they'll get me The assumption that no one else is really into stuff No, it's true no one no one loves things. They actually are mostly engaged in getting, getting, getting got. But like, Nintendo

keeps making video games just by the fact that I'm the only one that plays them. Yeah, I plays out. No one else does. They don't loses. They made the game for me. Anyway, the reason that I bring up all that was because I wanted to. But relatedly... Explaining free will. Yeah.

But I also gave all that basketball context earlier because the former mayor of New York who he talked about doing what seems to be a crypto scam doesn't we last talked about Eric Adams it was like he was doing some sort of New York coin that's right yeah

I'm in New Yorker then he was going to be like I'll be the mayor of Jerusalem or whatever another New Yorker with questionable intentions to finance you oh no NYC token

let's drop no listen it's up 5% today. Few, okay. So. Because this is where a lot of the money I was talking about, I ended up putting it around here. Because Mem Darnie is so popular. I thought maybe you're. No, but it's not his, it's not even associated with New York.

Of course. They just take the name of something. He's the mayor. He was the mayor. Yes, exactly. And now he's not. And now it's very cheap. So we can sell it.

You're trying to buy the dip. I bought it when it was good. Right. And don't sell it now. Because no, now it's bad. So we can trick people. into buying it, but I don't want it was really good because no one else was buying it. Everyone is buying it.

That's when the most people were buying it. Right, of course. And now no one's buying it. That's why the price is so low. Exactly. And we're perfectly in alignment. I don't know about that. But anyway.

God, that does suck. That's so much. Why are they buying? Eric Adams, I just needed to show you this thing he tweeted. After the New York Knicks swept the Cleveland Cavaliers and, are going to the NBA finals No, actually I have a bookmarked I don't think I sent it to anybody

He's like at the Riyadh comedy festival or something right now where is Sarah Adams at? Okay I see A video It's a video of two brooms sweeping Because the next got a clean sweep

Now I have never seen This is like a Doth style broom with two ends to it. I'm not familiar with that method, I guess. And I'm guessing me. Clearly haven't broomed. Yeah, I haven't broomed two different floors at the same time. He hired actors and, like, animated this himself.

Yeah, it's expensive. No, no, this is all done with AI. Oh, wow. You, the crazy thing is, I can't tell. When the other one go. It was killed. So this looks really good. Yeah, I just thought this was so cool.

Oh, my God. Just universal. Do you think it's confusing to him? Like when this is the reply, do you think he's like, what's going on? I don't think he reads the replies. Anyway, I just had that. I just needed that to be seen.

And I can be done now. I can be done with what I've done. Can I say the video one more time, please? Okay. Just because it is so good and convincing. Okay. Because I, keep an eye on that left one. What happens to bro?

There's also like two identical men who come up on the side. Like there, there's two identical dudes in the left. Twins much? Uh. I just. I'm going insane? There's not a kayak-style double broom, right? I don't think so.

I think they just... Never seen it in my life. I think they just invented a broom character with their ingenious AI mind. How did they do that? I didn't even know he could 3D model. No, no, no. He can't do anything like that.

He typed in a few cents. I thought he was an expert crypto financier. I didn't know he had... He was mad? He's... Wow. He's a retired NYPD captain. It is a pretty busy bio

Oh, he should have like the funny last one You know Oh yeah Fluid and sarcasm Fulid sarcasm He says he's a grocery store Jedi Like on Instagram

Oh yeah That's always epic That's what mom don't he did He tweeted in my sanitation I'd like to report a sweep Oh cute And then he retweeted Vivek Ramoswami being a fan of the cabs.

There's gossip. All right. You're also not, you're like, you appreciate the Knicks, but you're not like a big Knicks fan. Not a big Knicks fan, but I love to sweep.

And I love this new broom I designed, so I figure I'd put it to you. You wanted a broom that hurts you when you use it, but like pokes you in the face and the arms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of guerrilla marketing what you're doing. I want a broom to make a double as like an ore for a kayak. Yeah.

The really slow, nice slow kayak ride. So have you ever wanted to find yourself a love like Timmy and Kylie have? Yes. No, I'll pass it. Why do you ask for that? Like, I haven't been saying it every day. Well, I mean, it's easy to date, right? No.

Wait, what? Because sometimes a lot of the time, you know, it's like can't live with them, can't, don't know where they are. Can't live with them. Can't give a house. Yeah. Yeah. You'll say, Tennessee, maybe Texas too. They won't let you in.

They won't let you in. You don't know them. You're in the rain staring through the window. You can't live with them because it's not your apartment. So there's something horrible happening on dating apps. It's been going on for a while, but I think people are reporting a lot recently about how bleak the dating landscape feels. Hello. I feel like I've been screaming this from the rooftops and finally they're listening.

I know. I'm like, get off your roof. Hello. It's not safe up there. I can't hear what you're yelling. There's a fiddler and he can't get down. Yeah, what's that about that? He helps him down.

How long is he on the roof in percentage of that show? So this is, we got to keep going. So there's so many AI scammers on dating apps now. It feels even bleaker. Like if dating wasn't hard enough. Yeah, I will say that this is so funny. And I think it affects some apps more than others. Like I kind of have narrowed down to really just using one app because all of them suck and one of them sucks the least.

But you're only on J date, right? I'm on farmers only. Did they know? No. How do they? Why do they let you on there? Aspirationalally, I'm a farmer. Oh.

Because I love to farm engagement. You actually do farm a little bit on Rhymscape, right? Yeah, 99 farming, by the way. That was such an aunt question. That was so aunt-cooked. But it was true. It was true and it was accurate. It is called farming.

You like that on your little game, right? I do it. I do pharma. I love pharma. Yeah, so I've had the experience of like matching with AI people. And I always can tell. I can always tell. After a couple months of talking, send them from cash?

I sent just a little bit of thousands. No, but it is a thing where sometimes even real people are bad at like putting photos of themselves on the dating app. And I can't stress enough that like you need those. No, but I've certainly matched with accounts that I'm pretty sure AI. And then I go, are you real? And then they say yes. And then I don't reply any further. and then I get an email from The Hinge that says,

you've recently interacted with an account that we've had to remove from a person, and then the annoying thing about that, though, is it, like, it seemingly affects, like, your algorithm and stuff, like, oh, for, like, you lose, like, if I had my daily super like or something and I used that on a bot, I don't get it back.

There's not, like, a refund. But maybe the bot died happy. Or the way that I imagine these things work is that like they feed you like a drip feed of I'm a guy so it's like a very different experience I do feel like they don't show you as much as they could

and then they stop showing you when you get a certain number of matches or something like that and then I feel like if you get bot matches then it's like all right our job is done yeah this guy's feeling it yeah that's the other thing too like there's all these kind of secret behind the scene algorithm things

that they do to keep you on the app. Oh, for sure. What is the primarily the mission? Because I think I still always default to like I'm a Nigerian prince and I actually don't know. If I'm being completely honest, I haven't gotten far enough. And maybe this is what you'll explain to us today, Anesthesia.

I haven't gotten far enough with any of these bots to learn that. I've had a few instances of impersonators who I call them out on impersonating. And then they just go, you got me. And then they like, unmatch. Lock me up. And I'm like, that's pretty funny. Yeah. I mean, hey, you know.

But again, it's like it was, it feels like it wastes my resources in the, in the game of the dating app. You're the, you're the pallid defending the world. Yeah. You're doing the necessary fighting. And I've just, yeah, dating, I've just been on dating apps in like a low home for a very long time. But, um, you've got your millennium eye. Yeah. It's just so like nothing.

I don't know. It's, yeah, it's one of those things that, like, it makes you feel like you're doing something, but you probably aren't. I should probably just go meet people in real life. but I don't know how. I feel like with the experiences that a lot of people have on dating apps, there could be just a resurgence of people being like, I'm going to try a lot harder to meet people in real life. Yeah.

Because this sucks. Yeah, it truly. I have seen in L.A. at least, and granted, this is a big city, but I have seen a lot more like singles meetup kind of stuff, like more old-fashioned ways of. Yeah, it's tough because the vibes of those things are also kind of strange. Yeah. It's a certain self-selecting demo of, to say the very least, like maybe more socially

active than the average person. Yeah, you need like third spaces, but then also I have this thing where I don't want to date in my friend group because it's like when things like don't work out, it like really makes things in my friend group weird and that's all I have. It's a conflict of interest. Yeah. It's a conflict of interest. So that's the other thing.

It's like hard to meet people who are not. That's the thing that dating apps are like theoretically good for or like speed dating or whatever, is, like, meeting people outside of your direct social network. Yeah. That's sort of, like, I feel like this sweet zone, right? Is, like, you find someone that you like, who is, like, maybe of a friend or of a friend or who is sort of, like, new to a social circle. Yeah.

So it's like, if it blows up, it doesn't, like, ruin your fucking everything. It's not like everyone's already super close with this person. Exactly. Yeah. It's like it's a stone that I like wouldn't even like at this point consider turning over. Well, you could also do what I do and that's just given to the fact that you're going to die alone. No. But you purchase those boys.

You have your home. If you're talking about Batsmaru, Pachako, Hangiodan, the Hopi Dambuie boys, then yeah, I have purchased all of them. Gojo? What the hell is going on? These are like little same Rio characters. But no, okay, first of all, you're not going to die alone. Second of all, I'm going to die alone. I'll be there laughing.

We'll be doing this at Wiz Podcast. Oh, my God, I will die during this podcast. Waiting you to do a segue and you'll just let this flies gathering. Have you ever? Yeah, they're like, do we have a pulse? It's like, no, but I can hang on. I'm going to drift away from the topic and see if she wakes up. I just want to shout out.

YouTuber Christoff because I just watched a video he put out about a month ago or like earlier this month. It's just Christoph? Yeah, it's just Christoph. I'd never seen any of his videos before, so I'm sorry if he's awful. But I love it. I really liked this video. You really always rolling the dice on if you haven't seen any other videos. Well, right, you kind of have to like whenever someone,

like, oh, like, who's your favorite musician or whatever? And I'm like, this person, but like, are they okay? Have they done anything bad? Yeah, you tap into this account and it is, uh, next video, his previous videos, something very weird is happening at Anastasia's house. No, no, wait, what? What is it? She has bought boys.

Yeah, she bought four boys and they have funny names. Bad Bathmoreu, Pachako. No, okay. Christov made this video about how. something weird is happening at Tinder, on Tinder, and they like very, they kind of like outline what you might experience where it's like, okay, I'm going through these profiles. This is like a handsome man. But then when you are scrolling through the photos and you get to the last photo, it's a clearly

AI image of not that person. Yeah. And often it's like a, like a statue or a painting or something in pop culture, but with the face altered, like slight alteration. Anime homo. So what I was going to say is, so these dating apps tend to have, um, these dating apps tend to have verification, uh, processes where you like verify that you're, like a real person, but they're gameable. So I imagine that you, like, I think what can happen is

you have to have a real photo of yourself in these things to stay verified and then you can't remove that photo or else it like unverifies you. But sometimes when you like swipe on some of the apps, you just go and go and go and then it's like a different, it'll be like a, uh, uh, e-girl or whatever. You swipe to the end and it's like a dude named Derek at the end. It's like, hi, I'm Derek. What's the? And Tinder only about a month ago did like AI scan. Sorry, sorry, I, like your eyeball, I scan verification stuff.

Like AI. An AI. You scan, we all scan. And then also, it's a kind of an art. arms race thing because if like we're on android or something that's like it's a little bit easier to like hook into the OS that's running the app you I have to imagine there's bot farms that can run these things on like on your computer and like an Android debug console or whatever and feed the camera feed uh like a V or either a video of someone right that's fake because like now or or like V tube well that's the other thing is kind of in the same way that kids were doing the thing where they prove they're an adult with a render right with another yes with a with a with a high resolution photo of uh death stranding um norman redis yes exactly so it's got a suck for him for the one dating profile he actually wants to

use well i mean to be honest uh i have had like a bit of a trouble with dating apps because i get banned a lot, despite verifying myself, because people see me and then report me as impersonating someone. They just assume that I wouldn't be on a dating app. I'm like, this is maybe a, I probably shouldn't. They go bail that one. I'm like, I should probably go meet somebody in real life. But so it's a thing where I've had to like appeal to like get my account back and stuff. Also, because your last photo is like, it's like, my last photo is like, it's like, my.

But she's smoking weed. Yeah, it's, um, it's my Uber driver named Javier. I was like, our names are pretty close. Samish guy. So the, uh, there's got to be people doing this ironically also now, like one, like a real jokester having their last photo be like, I'm a robot cat. Um, bad, a bald ape. In Christoph's video, they kind of get to the why of all of it.

And it's, it's kind of a traditional like romance scam. Oh, okay. Where it's like, they want to just keep you on the app chatting in text, like no video chats or anything like that. Yeah. And they get you to kind of like, they kind of like love bomb you a little bit. And then like try to get you to like give them money for a plane ticket or something. And the question is always like who would be dumb enough?

But it's like if you cast a wide enough net, then you will have some people get caught up in that. it only takes a few. Yeah, like, who would fall for that? Like, well, not most people. Yeah. But the revenue of each. I think it's very naive to say it's dumb, too, to fall for that. I think they often catch people in very vulnerable situations.

Absolutely. It's what it is. Absolutely. It's like if you're extremely depressed, extremely lonely, like, you know, or maybe you live in a place where there's not a lot of people or whatever, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, look, I relate to this. I'm lucky that I don't kind of associate my self-worth with my like success on a dating app. But when I was younger, it certainly like hurt my feelings that I didn't get as many matches as I thought I should, et cetera, et cetera.

But it's just not real life. It's just not real life. And that's the thing people have to remember about it. You might also not like have the, you know, let's say you might not have a head. I might not have the face for it or like the bod or the sexiness. I don't know, if you're like five years younger than us or something, like you really could. We're really, we were like right on the parallel of rather the on the precipice of this being the normal way to do it. Yeah.

And definitely there was a different light to dating apps when they first came out. It was like, oh, this is interesting. It's fun. We got to kind of be around the emergence of it and get to go like, okay. So this isn't the normal way, but this adds something to the palate as opposed to like growing up and being like, well, this is what dating is. Because the dating after like the second wave because the first wave was like, you know, OKCupid, plenty of fish. Like there's websites. And then like moving on to the phone and then having because I think match group still owns like a bunch of these things.

But most of the ones they own suck. Like Tinder, I think might be owned by match group now. But they're the OKCupid people. also I think like Millennials like you're saying Jordan were the ones that really like didn't have another way of dating really like this was

the older millennials you know normalized app dating or website dating or even like dating people on MySpace or whatever and then it became so normalized that people didn't know another way

and then you had the pandemic and stuff so it's like you really can't meet people but now I think it's like people are like I need to learn how to date outside of apps because like we just don't know how to do it yeah also I was an atrophied skill or like a skill that never developed

and lockdown I was like 17 through 20 for lockdown they're like oh no you missed the the bit You missed the crash course years. Like this is where you actually are supposed to fuck up so bad and then like adapt maybe a little bit. And then 10 years go by and you are still adapting. It's the survivorship bias thing of like there's never been a period in time where this was a simple thing that most people are doing seamlessly. It's just that there was no optics on the people around you.

And it's like everyone that isn't dating has some baggage to get over and everyone that is dating. It's not that they just got married to the first person they ever met at school. that was attracted to them. It's that they just, there's something to them. They got their shit together, you know what I mean? Because nobody's going to present willingly the like, yeah, I suck it to dating and it's hard. I'm just reading the Wikipedia on Match Group right now. So one, Hinge and Tinder both owned by Match Group.

And Match Group is kind of doing a monopoly thing where they're just like acquiring every single app in the space. They own basically all of the dating apps except for Bumble. And then I'm sure they've made offers to try and buy Bumble. I will say also, wow, there are a lot of sexual assault allegations and lawsuits in the just Wikipedia page for a match group. Just listed in the history of the company. Like, wow. It's kind of crazy.

But the other thing is that, and I think this is important, the CEO of Match Group is the former CEO of Zinga. Oh, it's Skinnerbox game gamified. Exactly, dude, it's Skinnerbox Gamefied. It's built like it's supposed to drip feed you. Like, uh... I mean, Zinga for people we don't know, which is they, uh, mobile, addictive mobile games primarily. Including Candy Crush, I believe.

Maybe not currently anymore. Currency of Match Group used to be on the board of Palantir. Who? It wasn't. I feel like they had such a rotation. Like 50% of the time I find out about a billionaire ghoul, they did the, at some point, worked for Palantir. Match Group is.

is they're acquiring dating apps faster than I can learn that they exist. In April 26 last month, match group announced a $100 million minority investment in the gay dating app, Sniffies. Sniffies? Have you heard of Sniffies? Anyone? For dogs? There you go. They're everywhere.

It's like, it's just monopolies. Oh my God. Right. They own all of these. Do you remember? So we had a friend that worked at that worked at Grindr. And then there was a big issue

because Grindr was like owned by China. And then they had to like dive. It was like a super weird like they had to like divest from China or something. Like there's a, I can't even remember what the thing was. And it's not like China bad, but it was like the American government was doing some weird stuff. Oh, J people meet.

Is that different than J date? It seems like there's a lot of people meet. Difforsed people meet. Democratic people meet. LDS, LDS Planet. Oh, Mormon? Yeah. Wow, cool.

But Democratic people meet, that's so funny. I think I saw it doesn't know. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Baby boomer, no, James to remember. Scroll out somewhere. Baby boomer people meet. Black Christian people meet. Black people meet.

Black people meet. Black people meet. Black professional people mean. Normal black people, but also. Oh, my God. What is going on, dude? It's like they own everything. Delightful.

That's the area. How do they get to buy every, like literally, and it's like Bumble's not doing well. Bumble was in the news because they're replacing, swiping with an AI system that matches people. The dating landscape is so bleak because one apps, that list of. websites and apps all owned by the same company and that company is just trying to make money obviously.

It's no longer like a conspiracy theory to be like, well, they just want to keep me on. Keep me on. But it's the skinnerbox thing. It's like I want to give you a drip feed of like reward so that you feel like this is just rewarding enough to continue using. We want charming animations, decent sound effects, nice haptics on the app, big one. It's very easy to lock people into a loop because like phones rule in people's brain. Like if they're very easy to make them feel good. I'm really curious if they stop the swiping.

Swiping, no swiping. Me when I'm Dora. Continue. She should just kill him. She should just shoot him, right? She's a child. Look, he actually has a good heart. She's not a child for my 20 years.

Well, she will look, she can't have a good. gun, but she could drive a car. Yeah, she just kick him. That final episode of Dora Explorer where she kicked swipe at a death, I found it strange. I think that the, taking away the swiping and having these, like, AI matches takes away some of the addictive behavior of that.

Yeah, that is a big jump. Yeah, I think that, like, Hinge, when it first came out, was, like, it was considered, or they had the tagline that was, like, designed to be deleted, but that, like, cannot possible. we be true, especially anymore, because everyone who makes these apps, they want to, they just want to, no one's that passionate about relationships. They just want to exit a company and make a million dollars. It's weird how they, I feel like a lot of dating app branding worked very, very hard to be like, yes, the internet's a horrible monster place. Yes, most companies are super, super

cynical and just trying to get you. But look, look, it's dating. We would never do. do something like that. We're so different. Love isn't evil. We'd never manipulate you like that. There's a New York Times, I'm guessing this is. Yeah, this is New York Times at the Bumble thing. Is this like...

The failing New York Times? This is framed in a way that makes me think it's paid. Kelsey Wonderland, a licensed therapist and dating coach in Nashville. Okay, so not from Buffalo. People don't really see each other as real humans on the app, she said. Swiping was great for people at first. but over time what I hear from a lot of people is that it's inundating and it just creates this sense of disposability which I agree

but why would the app care of that? Well I this is coming from a therapist standpoint who's not like a business analyst they're probably not thinking about the kind of wider economic a lot of these companies think that AI is going to save their apps or change the dating experience. Is this potentially something to do with the fact that they are the one that isn't owned? And they're like, we have to do something. We need to separate ourselves. The business is not booming for Bumble and it hasn't been for a while. They kind of pulled away from the whole core

concept, right? Well, the core concept was like, unfortunately like enticing or or seemed interesting. But the societal behavior patterns don't match like what the premise of the because it was like women. Because it's like women like, uh, messaging first. Which limits you to a heteronormative only audience, which is cutting out like a huge portion. And then also just that like,

like their users have an expectation that they are not meeting on mass. Just because of like how I remember reading something about this. It's like the like super reductive thing is like women just don't want a message. But it's

I think it's more. I mean my understanding. I should go back and find like the things. I was reading, but I think it's more just like in very large numbers, people behave the way that they have always behaved on average. And so like that doesn't, so you have to like, you have to shift like inertia moving in the opposite direction. Yeah. And so it's always like a great feature pitch, but turned into its own app as opposed to like this could be an interesting utility. I mean, it's a great pitch for me. I don't want to send, but then it doesn't work.

Women have to message first. It's like being like, I have a car and it runs on air. Okay, awesome. Well, it doesn't move. Work, like, yeah. But maybe the thing is I always like, though I always am like, oh, am I just complaining? Like, is it just like a get good scenario? Like, am I just low, Elo, in low Elo hell?

And like, because I mean, probably. but I think that we kind of already know from the studies it's like most most of the matches are in like the top percentages and it's like a hoarding of all of the it's like winter take all kind of yeah it's always I just it's always like a mythology of dating is kind of required to give any of any conversations about dating validity it's like when people talk about like the good old days with a Coca-Cola ad and the family and the two and half kids and they have a little fence and it's like no this is. This is just from commercials.

This was never a real thing. No. And like the dating thing is just what we saw in like Seinfeld. Like this, this era of traditional dating, I personally believe never existed. I think it's just a case of like, of course all of the stories we have

from people in older generations are of their dating experience. Because the other ones died. I think it's like, and didn't have any children. I feel like my perspective is in order for it to have existed. I do think it existed, but it existed with horrible, horrible things that we needed to weed out of our society.

You know what I mean? Like and and that we still need to weed out of our society. And so it's not like, like you cannot simply go back to there was no, it's like a whack-a-mole thing. It's like in order to have this, in order to go back to that other stuff, you would have this other stuff that you actually wouldn't agree to if you saw it in a list. Yeah. It's like, what do you mean? like marrying your high school sweetheart.

Fewer people got divorced when no fault divorce wasn't allowed. Yeah, just like women not having rights. A lot of that stuff being based on women not having rights and men being the, it's like in order to get loans, in order to do whatever. You have to be married. You have to be married. You have to get permission from your spouse and stuff. Or your father.

Or your father. Right. Because like you're the woman, you're the property. You're being given away. Not you. But you know what I mean? It's like the woman. Don't give me away.

Oh, go long. We were going to give you to dough boys. No. Just kidding. I love them. So it's like, I think that it's like make America great again. It's like, okay, when was America great? Yeah, what are you referencing?

Yeah, it's like what are we now missing? Also, I think there, you know, people are like people, people, you know, used to have these long marriages and blah, blah, and it's like, yeah, a lot of people felt trapped in those marriages. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I mean. It's just that in order to go back to that. where there wasn't divorce. It's like when you hear people, old fashioned people or even people today, but they have this fake very old school mindset,

have you heard those terms where they're like, the word divorce doesn't exist in my family or shit like that? It's like, okay, horrifying. Yeah, yeah. And so I think it's that. It's that people, like, yes, you can talk about the illusion of choice that dating apps give us and make people more picky. I'm definitely guilty of this.

because you feel like the promise that you could find your perfect whatever. And so then you keep like searching for that instead of like settling or whatever. But I think the reality is just that I do like to imagine. And maybe this is the optimist in me that we are growing positively as a society. And we are calling out things that we are very, very slowly, if not dismantling. acknowledging some of the existing like power structures that have have ruled have ruled our lives and so it's not like there was never a golden age there was never anything it's like and we do have worse stuff now uh but it's not like the fault is like capitalism corporate consolidation yeah it's like it's structural a lot of people you will talk about like the experience of relationships or uh their cultural position or changes in culture and society in the same respect that like I would talk about American high school. It's like I can only I have never been to and do not ever intend to step foot in an American high school.

Especially now pretty fucking weird. But I have an image in my head from movies and TV. And that's all I'll ever have it from. But if I've like, I don't know, I had a kid and they were like in middle school and they were nervous about high school. I'm not going to talk about American high school as though I was there. I can go like, well, I kind of know this thing and that thing. And like people appealing to like, Don Draper, his, him and his wife, the dynamic, people not having seen the show and the fact that they get divorced.

Don Draper, they had a real dynamic. That's what marriage used to really be like. I'm like, oh, you're just lopping. You've got this little idea. It's like, Lord of the Rings to you. It's like back in the day we used to have hobbies. Back in the day, with a lot of things, it's just like people who were having power imposed on them used to just stay quiet. Yeah.

Because they must have been happier. And then there weren't problems. And that meant that they were happy. Yeah. Backwards engineering it being like, what the fuck? What are all these crops doing here? We used to just have seeds. I wouldn't have to do any work.

Getting all the crops. I did hear someone who I like, a person I like. She's about my age, maybe like a couple years older. she said maybe we were happier when we had stricter gender roles. I was like, wait, what? And she was like, yeah, I think that's maybe why women are so unhappy now. And I was like, what are you listening to these days? And sure enough, there was a podcast where someone was saying, the reason why women are so

unhappy these days is because they used to be happier and stricter gender roles. And I'm like, and I just said, that's not true. Like, there's no way I would have been happy. It's also like, it's, we know they weren't because they fought very hard again. It's like, we didn't just as a society go, we should stop subjugating women. Let's just see what happens. Yeah. And then like, give it a try.

I'm kind of bored of how it is now. I've got all this control. Why do these, these damn black people keep complaining about their living conditions? They should just like them silent. I forgot that people do also have that opinion. Constantly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think it comes from a, if you have no actual, like, first person conception of what silently suffering is, like, if you think that, because really, if you grow up in any kind of position of privilege and then you think about that type of privilege, I'll do cis male privilege, right?

I don't ever get to have fun, what I perceive is fun, griping about it. Because it's easy. It's the easiest starter deck. But as a result, I then say, okay, well, if I was not a cis male, I'm going to just like, when people talk about the negative experiences they can experience as a result of not being a cis guy, I'm going to actively empathize. I can't empathize. But what the closest I could do, I don't know for now is, well, I'm not white.

And so I'm going to take a couple pieces of that and be like, how does it make me feel? What's the chemicals that go through my brain? Okay, I'm just going to kind of extrapolate that out and be like, well, that doesn't feel good. I'm just going to think that also not to a more or less degree, just that also doesn't feel good. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt because I don't have that. But I think if you've insulated yourself or refused to engage with whatever privilege you do or don't have, you can only think of people complaining the same way you do when you complain about your food, and cold when it comes out.

And you're like, yeah, it feels kind of good to complain because you get to be annoyed at people and like let out your frustration and resentment. And so then that all just leads to, well, why are women complaining? It must be because it's fun. I can't see why else they'd be doing it. It must be fun. That's all it could be. Why are women upset about dating?

They don't date me. I'm the one suffering. The women must be pretending to like video games to fuck with me. It becomes transparent. Like, when you look at issues that people are having in their lives, how. how the like snake oil salesman of our time come in and go, I have a simple solution. Yeah. What if we just stopped talking about?

What if you gave me all your rights? So like to that end, you know, everything we've been talking about is like very bleak and frustrating for anyone who is looking to, you know, find someone. Yeah. And but. In the episode notes. No, but I was going to say on the positive side, like, I've seen a lot of people joining run clubs or biking clubs or even like board game nights and stuff like that. And I do think that is still to this day, it's like very, it feels old fashion, but I just really think that is a great way to meet someone who's not in your friend group.

You're, you know, you just kind of. I agree. I know you saw obsession. I did. Which is kind of about frustrations in dating or liking someone who doesn't like you back or whatever. And like brings up. Yeah, I saw that movie and I was like, this is me. Everything that's happening right now.

I really. People are going to feel about conflict of interest. I don't want to like give too much away about that movie. But I just want to say that you could look at it one way from the sort of like, lonely male perspective where it's like, okay, this is very toxic and blah, blah, and you could look at it the other way is kind of the 1950s housewives trapped in a relationship they can't get out of kind of way. It was interesting.

I think I am officially tired of hearing about the male loneliness epidemic, not in the sense that there's not some validity to that kind of conversation, but I think it, in my opinion, implicit and I've used it and I've referenced it and I've endorsed the conversation around it but with I think we're now at a point where as a reference I think has like some exclusionary implications that insincere people can kind of latch on or it's like it's it's a classic you like pancakes so you hate waffles yeah like the male loneliness epidemic and then someone's like yeah women are struggling like it that's not what it's called we have our one it's just the loneliness epidemic but it's in in I think it it's it's just two like differently shaped sides of the same problem that people don't see them as the same, but they fit together perfectly. It's always difficult grouping. Guys are this way and girls are this way. But it is like on a grand scale, a lot of times guys tend to handle loneliness different than women do.

It's like, also we are. Also, if we are products of our environments and influences, then our identities have impacted those experiences. And thus, we have different ones. I think it's almost like a phrasing thing where I don't know if this is going to make any sense. I'm just going to, like, it's the male loneliness epidemic versus male loneliness epidemic. Yes. The epidemic isn't that men are lonely because everyone's lonely. The epidemic is how men are handling loneliness.

Yes. Like they're the, which is pretty poorly. It is a squeaky wheel gets the grease kind of because like I do think like they are scaring people. They're alarming. And that's why. You know what I mean? Like yeah. But and it's it's like the queer lonely people, the transloyal.

lonely people. Yeah. They exist. Go off on them. They're just not as loud about it. Or they don't have an epidemic named after them. So get good. Nor do you think is there an expectation of like it being treated.

Yeah. It's like a yeah. Also it does kind of, I don't want to be too reductive because I also, yeah, we're all experiencing the same thing in different ways and we need to have sympathy. for what other people may be going through even though you cannot identify because you don't identify with their problems because you're a different you just have a different type of you have a different set of problems yeah but it's so much like my house is on fire well my house is underwater and it's like well you should all right well these are both we should probably handle both

of these let's use the water to put out of the yeah yeah and that's a little bit where I'm going with that is that Like, obviously, it takes, it's, it's more profitable to pit groups against one another. Yeah. But the answer is probably involves a form of collaboration in some way. Because that's not, I mean, it's, yeah, it's a cliche, but like, neither party are the enemy by default. It's elective. Yeah. You are saying, like, yeah, actually, Xbox is the best.

Like, why are you fighting? Zelda, it's the divine beast. Yeah, that's true. Well, they make a completely different game. And vice versa, really. They stopped making consoles. Yeah, what Nintendo is remain. Well, I mean, yeah, I think this speaks to a lot of people's experiences.

And the answer is it's we're just in a moment. And it's like we aren't going to, I feel like we often find ourselves talking about these problems that, okay, we can't really solve it. But hopefully it's like relatable to know that other people. are experiencing the problems that you are and don't necessarily have like a doomer take on it like because I mean I haven't had the best luck in you know all of this stuff but I don't get too down about it because there are things I can do that I'm not doing which is like join a you know engage in a hobby or do do whatever and I am doing that and I try to remind myself that I am even though I'm not doing like

the maximal amount of things things I am like doing stuff that could lead to me like meeting somebody who I buy with down at some time somewhere some way somehow I hope um but uh it's like so easy to always be the exception to the rule internally right is like there's all these other people doing x or y thing or living in x or y place or something's like yeah but most aren't like yeah actually most aren't doing it it's just yeah i mean it's like uh haley william said on the 2009 um paramoire song the only exception

I got a tight grip on reality but I can't let go of what's in front of me here I don't know what she was talking about what the hell she was back on about content of interest or something yeah but but that's something she said and the song was called the only exception so shout out Haley Williams on that now

gosh if you're looking shout out to Haley Williams in fact if you even want to if you're looking for love from your guy gosh he would be willing He charitably would be willing to go on a date with you. Okay, relax.

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