Sad Boyz - AI Music Has Reached A New Low

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

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Welcome to Sad Boys, Podcasts About Feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan number 200. Number 200. Well, it's zero, so it doesn't cover anything. It is just number two zero. Yeah, but they cancel out. Jacob and I talked about bringing one balloon with 200 written on it in marker and we forgot.

And then what, yeah, I was going to say, and then what happened? So, Austin, can you, can you put a balloon in here? And maybe some, like, confetti or something? Yeah, drop confetti right now. Could you, like, make us turn into Transformers? Yeah, can you make me, like, jacked more jacked that's actually impossible what effects it once can you do that thing that they did in that superman movie where you digitally remove my mustache make it look like not great

like and make it look we'll try to make it look good like it costs millions of dollars run that up and you're like this cost millions of dollars millions of dollars why did they do such a bad job they did wow that was incredible and all of the effects on three you go one two three what was that? Did anybody hear that? Yeah, I'll tell you what, it'll be really funny. Don't do the effects then. Let that pass.

Pete, you got a crazy energy in that chair. You're in a high rise right now. Dude, April 17, 2026. What does that mean? Watch out. Watch out. No, I got a plan. Is that a threat?

No, not to me. Not to me. What's up, dude? What's cracking? What's cracking with me? I'm cracking packs. I'm cracking packs and I'm slapping facts up in this piece. You're okay, man.

Yeah. That's a 200, dude. I don't know how to act. Dude, I'm fucking acting up. You're being extremely inappropriate. I'm being so nasty. I've been playing a lot of MTG Arena Cube. It's a great way for me to spend too much money, goofing and gaffing around.

And speaking of spending too much money, I'm opening really. Rift-bound cards, a League Legends card game. And you know what? I'll say it. They didn't send me any free cards. I've seen a lot of influencers getting sent free cards. And Magic the Gathering did, because I'm a Magic the Gathering ambassador. You're shaking.

Maybe I'm not supposed to pit them against each other like that. Too bad bitches. I mean, I want to be... Well, no. Riftbound is out. Magic is cracking. I'm cracking packs. and I'm lacking facts.

I lost all the facts from earlier. You just had them a second ago. I had it a second ago. I'm going to a basketball game today. I'm tired. I'm not doing well. Things are bad. Is that what you were asking?

What do you think my question was? You said, are things, how are you? And I said a lot of stuff, and then I remembered how bad things are. I remembered who I am. Dude, I'm not sleeping well. Yeah, what's up with that? I'm sleeping so late, and it's messing me up.

Waking up late? I'm waking up late. I'm waking up late. I'm sleeping late. I think I'm sleeping a normal amount but I'm waking up a formal amount Sorry, I'm obsessed with rhyming today Because I'm obsessed with my timing to play

With the time of my rhyme We went to a Lakers game No, he didn't Me and Jordan I mean Jarvis April 17th, 26 Yeah, he gets it Uh oh

Yeah Uh oh What a stage I can't believe I did that. I can't believe you did that. 200 episodes. I mean, you just...

You almost made it to 200 episodes without... We have to erase the whiteboard that says days since Anastasia mixes up Jarvis and Jordan. The number is like 3,000 days. And Jarvis so kindly took me to a Lakers game. We went, we saw the Lakers playing the heat. You got to see Bam at a bio. He's on my fantasy team. That's where we take you if we were about to put you down.

He's like the boyfriend of like a real basketball player or something. What? He's like the boyfriend. of like a really famous basketball player. I think he also plays basketball, but like... But like his partner is the... Asia Wilson. It's like Obama's wife's husband.

The reigning champs. The reigning champs of the WMA. He's cool. He's a good guy. He's a cool guy. It's going to be weird to both be playing basketball. They're so cute together. They're kind of perfect together. They're both super Christian. Yeah. And that match, it's like a match.

It's a good match. It's a match. Like if you're Zoron on Hinge. and you find your queen He found his Is that true? Yeah, he found his partner on Hinge And one day I hope it can happen for me I mean all we need to

I guess you need to run for mayor I guess at this point I guess I got to run for mayor Yeah I guess you can probably tell Socialism 1 That's why we're in difficult Diastrates right now It's um wait what was supposed to happen again

Everyone's leaving New York We're supposed to unify the caliphate All of Lai exploded Because it's in war with New York now Breaking news is essentially almost exactly like the film Escape from New York. Yeah, which is every waspy rich guy is doing escape from New York, except if Kurt Russell just like fell over and started crying.

Yeah. Well, it's like Tarzan, except for it's a concrete jungle. Oh, shit. Where dreams are made of. City of Angels. That's Los Angeles. So if you're in a funk, do you want to watch this video of how to get out of a funk? Kind of. Let's watch it.

Guys, I'm in such a funk. What the hell? I'm not, I know it's a joke, but it's not a joke. I'm really not doing good. Boy, you're in a fun in a rut, maybe. I'm in a rut. I'm in a bit of a flood ruckers right now. Sleep's a tough one because it is just like,

it's the kind of thing that's supposed to be fixed by following the rules. And then you do it. And it doesn't change it. No, but I haven't been following the rules. It's hard to follow the rules when you're being sucked below the ocean. of suck below the ocean of doom no not a phrase not like we should have known where you were going with that

okay so this person I'm moving on this person posted the smoke bomb out of your hand as you try to escape the artist is called the buttress of the song oh like when I'm the queen of butts

oh sold I love that all the way mad so mad wills just posted um yeah no do you explore need your most unhinged ways of getting out of a dark weird funk i don't mean i saged my house and took a bath i mean the kind that makes you feel like it's legal to know but it's so effective what a sentence okay so in the comments people really popped off because they really just to just to clarify this is a post from someone called madwills and specifically uh it's posting a real but just as a forum to talk about things that

help you out of bad mental health space. We've used these before, right? This reminds me of being on dropout. So are we going to give thumbs up, thumbs down? We're going to rate to all of these techniques. Should we have these on every episode? Just like, see, like, if you make a joke, like you go. When I say suck below the ocean of.

Can we get like a yellow and red flag like from football? Oh, yeah. So I can throw it at you. Wait, why at me? I don't know, maybe you're acting up. I feel like it would be fluent at me more often. Nah. I would reserve that for like a shurrican.

Hey. I should get a shurrican on the trail. No, you shouldn't. Okay, all right, I take it back. Okay, have an invisible day. Don't tell anyone where you're going or what you're doing and do whatever the hell you want. Go to shops, get an expensive pastry, eat sushi in your car, see a movie alone.

Just do anything you want. Do it alone. Make it feel like a secret. It always makes me feel reconnected with it. myself. This is... Okay. You're in the... Jarvis is in the middle. I'm going in the... In the wiggle wobble zone.

Here's why I'm in the middle on this extremely popular reply that has 64,000 likes. Because I feel like I do this every day. I know. I know that we are obviously, like, we have an uncommon kind of rhythm to our lives. Yeah. But all I see reading this is I'm thinking when that has been a destructive choice. It's like what I've been like, spend a day a life. alone, go and spend some money you didn't need to spend. If it does feel like a treat, then good.

And if it feels like that's the exact opposite of what you need, like I feel like I need to ground myself and connect myself with people because it's easy for me to be in my own little world. I think it's not that I do sometimes forget that people are like, their natural inclination is can be so different from mine that I, uh, it's like unrelatable. like there's some people I know who end up in a spiral because they can't be a lot like I know people that will reach out to friends they've had like active like big arguments with all like cut themselves off from people and so and so and then I like I think I'm just going to hang out with with Jack because like I can't not hang out with someone tonight. I'm like wow that's so far away from anything I can relate to yeah because I can and I mean it because this isn't always the healthiest move. I can always be by myself.

I've never unable to do that. But are you treating yourself when you're by yourself? Like this is like a day of treats. This is a day of treats. But I think that what Jordan is getting at is something that I relate to, which is like, am I like only doing the treating as a sooth? Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

That makes sense. Because I've gotten myself into really bad habits and cycles by sooth, So, so, so, so, so. Yes. Same. And then that is like, how do you break that cycle? Because I've created this hug box of I don't need to interact with anyone. I'm only soothing myself.

And it's like getting in a nice warm bath. But if you stay in the bath for a day, it's really bad for your body. It just kind of starts to stagnate. Yeah, exactly. And you get any also like kind of sets you, if you aren't moving, like physically or kind of emotionally, if you aren't getting a little bit of variance, you forget that it exists at all. And so, like, you know, you're just kind of in that myasma. And that root, that rut can include, like, you have an in-person drop, it can include

going to an office and you're in the miasma and then your lungs might not be so good. So you're like, ah, my asthma, which is in the need, like, and you grab your inhaler. The, I feel like I did this yesterday, uh, if he was having people over to play magic and I was really excited to go, but I was so tired at the end of the day. and granted we had like a lot going on yeah we did a lot and i did i did a lot i did i did i voted i went to peopox we recorded a video we had like three meetings it was just like you're talking out with an astor draining i am i can be a suffocating for my asthma yeah i'm someone who like if i'm in a bad funk most of the time i do need to be alone and i just need to like retreat and i'm like oh

I'll go get myself like a really sugary treat. You know, I'll, I'll make sure I think it's a treat. But at the same time, I keep doing that. And I'm like, oh, okay, I guess I'll like kind of force myself to go to this hang out. And I go, oh, that is what I needed. You do the self-soothing practices of a 10-year-old's birthday party. Yeah. You were like a big, swirly lollip.

Exactly. A little sailor calls a day. I get a parloral milkshake and I feel good. No, but like, I was kind of like with it about like, oh, go get your favorite food, go get your favorite sort of drink, right? Until it was like, do it alone. And I was like, well, sometimes you need that, but also sometimes you do need to. But it's like it just depends because different structure of different folks.

Like some people need to be with, or some people's default is to be with other people. And I think a lot of our defaults is to be alone. And I think whatever it is, it's like doing the opposite. I recharge when I'm by myself. Like it's so draining. But that being said, I'm always being social. So, like, I have plans almost every night. Right.

Crazy. It is a treat. My plans are to stay at home. You're twisted. It is a treat to be like I'm going to the movies by myself. Like I love doing that. But I get what you're saying to. I mean, we're describing it for being in a fortunate position of having people that we can and do want to spend time with.

And sometimes if you don't necessarily have like a community of people or a number of friends who you know you can hang out with. Even when you're depressed. If you feel isolated, then having an invisible day isn't going to help that isolation, you know? Though I guess also... But this is not to say that this is bad. It's just different structure of different. It's certainly applicable. I guess, you know, it's not exactly a novel insight, but balance is obviously very healthy.

But I think I'd probably compare it closest to like... And this is my worst habit is like, if you say are a really active gym goer or something, you're not going to get any stronger or feel any better if you never have a... any rest periods. Right. But if you are always having a rest period, you're also never going to feel any stronger. Truly.

My novel insight is that the Great Gatsby is Scott Fitzgerald's third book. It's a supreme achievement of his career. This exemplary novel of the Jazz Age has, you know, talks a lot about class disparity. Of course, there's class disparity. Also how you can feel alone while being surrounded by so many people. You're right. You're reading on the back. That's a novel insight.

It's kind of about how capitalism and the American dream make you isolated. Isn't it about the greatest pimp legend ever? No, he's not a Pimp legend. The story of the fabulously wealthy Jay Gaspian is love for the beautiful Daisy Buchanan of lavish parties on Long Island at the time. Let's read another. Okay, let's read another one. By the way, great Gatsby thumbs up. I actually truly love it.

It's great. I read it recently because I hadn't read it since high school. It's also so small. It's so small. I listen to the audio book, by which I mean I watch the Bazelowman movie. Don't watch the Bazelerman. Okay. I pretend that I'm 90 years old and somehow woke up at my current age.

It makes me want to go do things again. That's interesting. That's a really interesting, like, brain, like, trick. Yes. Like, because it's also fun because you live in, like, this fantasy. I was at the end of my days. There's no time to explain. My hit works again.

you're kind of like Charlie's grandpa and Charlie and Chocolate Factory you're like clicking your heels all of a sudden that man is a fucking fraud well he's a he's horrible that he's they're all making Charlie and his mom work for them while they lay in bed all day

I shouldn't get nirate now right because he's getting extra brink the thing is speaking of chocolate factories I'm going to sip some chocolate milk Charlie Bucket is not a more ethical attendee of the tour. He just didn't fly into the ceiling fan.

He was getting morally punished for stealing, except he just like kind of swagged it out by burping. If Augusta's goop had like farted and flown out of the river or something, it wouldn't make him worthy of running the chocolate factory. Also, I think he should have been killed. I think they should have, Charlie Bucket. But to be fair, again, against the grandpa, he's the one that convinced Charlie to drink the fucking thing.

It's the grandpa's fault. He just has a bad influence. He's like, fucking 10 years old. The grandpa should run the company. You're going to blame this fucking kid. Grandpa's pretty cool. Okay, let's read the next one. So the 90 years old one

is just kind of interesting because it's sort of like, it's like a very, very specific example of just being present, I guess, or like thinking in perspective or something. It's just funny to see such a precipice. Yeah. Dude, it's so frustrating that like a bunch of useful terminology and practices have been tainted by the most annoying people

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It's like, it's good, too. The funny thing about Cafe Gratitude is it's good, but man, is it cringe. Well, also, I'm pretty sure it came out at one point. I don't think this is true anymore, but when Cafe Gratitude first came out, and was like super popular, it was kind of a colt. Like you had to sign documents saying that you were going to live a certain lifestyle. You worked there. Sorry, just for the context of the audience.

People who don't live in LA. Not only don't live in LA, but also don't have interested in stupid bullshit. Cafe Gratitude is a regional cafe restaurant that specifically phrases all of its menu in the most trite, wellnessy terminology ever. Oh, would you like broccoli, aka I am assured. Oh, spicy crap or a maki roll. Little gem, Caesar.

Did you mean I am dazzling? You are dazzling. And they used to make you... And I'll have a protein out of mushroom candideas, please. Can I have some black and tippy? What's the pizzas? They used to make you order like that.

Guess what the... I didn't know they still didn't do that. They don't anymore, but it used to be like, I'll have the chorizo breakfast burrito. And they'd be like, Oh, I'm sorry. Can you, what's the name of that? I don't speak that stupid language.

And it's like, oh, I guess you're so, yo, yo, yo, yo, soi, ha, yes, I am strong. Um, wait, pizzas, I am giving, by the way. And then you say the name of the pizza. I'm giving, um, truffled mushroom. I'm giving Hawaii. I'm giving go on. I am Aloha feels illegal. Can you scroll up?

Little wonky donkey. By the way, I thought Yosoi Forte was a joke. I didn't realize that's a gratitude crudrap. That's also like, you shouldn't have that. This is like Trader Jose's shit. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. I am intuitive.

That's tough, man. See, this is why people shouldn't. Oh, I am whole. Macrobiotic bowl. I kind of was meaming. I think I would rather say I'm holding macrobiotic bowl, to be fair. Well, anyways. Me would have a black hole.

having gratitude for your current life is actually a good thing but you're right it is so sullied by that's what she said is the me when I have that create a weird sentence or yes yes sorry you're ahead no we're just we're just um I but I like that one

I like that charming because it's such a it's incredibly specific I feel like I'm going to try this one actually what they're asking for it this one below this has almost as many likes as if you scroll down slightly, has almost as many likes as the post itself, I get a mango and peel it, sit in a hot, if that was the end, sit in a hot

ass shower and eat the mango with my whole fists and face and heart. Okay, that's unique. Oh. Genuinely awaken something primal in me that gets me regulated. But just going animal eating style on a mango?

I will say that is like cafe gratitude version of an ice bath or like eating liver or something. I got to, there is truly, I think, nothing more granting and humanizing than grabbing a fistful of a slightly stale baguette on your way out of the door. I think that, that is like,

that returned you to your peasant roots. We are all one. We are all the part of the same fiefdom. Grabbing a little bit of baguette that's not super duper fresh. You don't have any butter to put on it and you've got to be something. You just eat it in the car on the street.

I have, oh, I have a weird hot take about, eating things. Got to use the mouth. Yeah, I've been using my butt. No, in mouth, out, butt. Oh, what? So, I hate rules. I feel,

have you ever eaten a salad with a fork? Yeah. That's like the normal thing. Yeah. I don't do this, but in my heart of hearts, it's something that I think would bring me joy is to eat a salad with my hands.

I could see that. I feel like, because the, issue with me is the porosity of a salad like how airy like I want density I want a salad brick and you sometimes you cannot like I want some components of every element of the salad in one bite I feel like I'm fighting my sweet green at every moment I'm like trying to get the bite that was promised to me I think that and here's how and you're like what about the dressing hear me out. What if you instead had a dipping cup and you did it like a, um, like a, uh, what's like Ethiopian food like Injira or something? What's the, um, what's the tomato soup

dip or not tomato soup? It's the, uh, like beefy. Oh, beeria? Beer, not be, well, beer is, is great. Uh, beer is just good shit. But yeah, that, but then also, fuck, what is it called? French dip. Okay, yes, French dip. Yes, that's what I was thinking of. Uh, we're, uh, we're just, uh, Where you just, like, dip your, like, you french, you french dip your salad. What if? I do. French dip and French dressing. And then you can French the dip.

I do feel like it's been, I'm like a, I'm like a little fussy boy when it comes to clean hands, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I am disproportionately like that. And I'm frustrated that the world taught me to be that way because sometimes I do just want to get in there. You know what I mean? I just want to go, a little crazy. Probably with wings, like a, like a saucy wing. I think, uh, okay. my relationship with eating wings

is similar to eating at like one of those lobster restaurants where you're just bib on cracking it's like okay I'm not going to the bathroom in this session in between moments I'm not get open I'm not touching my phone I'm not doing anything else I'm here I'm lobbing and then I'm done I'm here I'm winging it's like a theme park experience exactly

no rules just right and then once it's over once my like ravenous Hulk form has gone away once smashing time is over then I'm like oh I gotta go wash my hands I do smashing time is I'm sorry

how I feel about when I if I eat saucy wings and then I go to my bathroom like sometimes I'll eat down here I'll go to the bathroom I'll look at the bathroom mirror my face is like covered in sauce and I'm like

what happened like my hands are covered in like red sauce did I kill somebody like what's leading to the door they started in the shape of a claw and they become even right they become

there are a huge big foot feet and then they become like dainty small I must have been eating wings did I tell you guys uh I may have told you the story I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself but we I repeat myself every episode for seven years around 200 yeah I was eating dinner with echo we were at this really good uh noodle place like a Korean noodle place and what's the name of it and where do you live no and I'm eating it and I'm like splashing all over my shirt and I'm like oh gosh I'm like having such a hard time these noodles are whipping sauce all over me and one of the servers came over and handed me a bit they noticed

oh that's so cruel oh that's evil thumbs down the pit move thumbs down and Echo and I could we died laughing they didn't hand Echo a bib

right did they just say anything or did they just give no just handed me a bib and I fucking put that bib on I think it's like, white devil needs a hand. Let me help you out. I will say, in terms of the splashes,

you know, like, ramen can get crazy. Have you, if you've ever had curry udon. Yes. You're going home. He's like, you know, it's like the thick noodle slapping the curry. And then now you've got like thick curry splashing everywhere. And that stains. You better not be wearing white.

You got to show up in a hazmat soon. Trying to get it into the little. What does every, like, fancy Italian restaurant put the purest white tablecloths on their, on their fucking tables? It should be a black. It should be a red tablecloth. Well, yeah, I was just saying, watch yourself. You should be red, actually. That's why.

You're giving me the reddest, sauciest dishes in the world. And then they hold it up when you're done and shame you. Yeah. You get to, if you make it really dirty, you get to go on the wall. Banned. That's where they cut out a little piece of your

table cloth and they're like this is the messiest freak we ever died with The Bokoa Bepo wall of shame Yeah

I ate all of Bepo I'm sorry I'm sorry Bepo So this next one I'm actually intrigued by I do one a thumbs up the brews

I think that's funny The which one? What one? The two above The one insanely The mango one Getting the mango

appealing again I think that's funny That's not for me But I kind of Go for it Yeah I think that it's anytime you can just get really like wild it sounds fun it's just funny to me like get home from a difficult day of work and then like had an argument with a friend or something that

walk through the door and just like fuck i got to go to trade a jo's one sec buy oh man go in hand no bag walk home you're like you're squeezing it it's like dripping down your hand not yet not yet um so this next one is i sleep uncomfortably on the floor this is intrigues me for when I'm having insomnia. I sleep uncomfortably on the floor in a different room for as many nights as it takes for me to get sick of it. Then when I move back into my bed,

it feels wonderful and fresh and I feel energized. It's a long-term investment. But I have slept in a chair before when I cannot sleep. Like I'm in my bed tossing and turning. They say the best thing to do is get out of bed and go somewhere else because you start to associate your bed

with awake stuff and anxiety. Is the motion, right? Oh, I'm sleeping in my own bed. I'm frustrated. Swap directions. Hello at the bottom of the bed. Less comfortable, little weird. Legs too long.

Bummet against the headboard. I'm uncomfortable. Oh, I'm half asleep. Wake up. Oh, my God. I'm so excited to go to bed, back to bed. Interesting. Now, it does not work.

But imagine it did and the number of times I've tried it. It's a couch. I have, yeah, I have like, what's it called? oppositional personality disorder or whatever. Oh, ODD. I have that for my mattress. I'm like, I'm sleeping on the couch. That'll show you asshole.

And it's easy, right to sleep. Hey, man, that's not nice. I do feel that way sometimes that we're, my bed gives me anxiety. I am mattress. It's on a cafe gratitude minute. I've had so many nights of frustration because I struggle with insomnia. Yeah.

And I do think sometimes I'll be falling asleep, dead tired, and then I go to bed and I have anxiety and I can't sleep. So it's like, there is something about... That happened to me last night where I was like, truly, I was like, my eyes were twitching. I was so like sleepy tired. And then I got in bed and I was awake for like another four hours. And I was like, this cannot stand. I was there. I had, you know, I've been taking my normal pills.

I went to my mental doctor. That's where the point of the mask is. Went to the, I lost my mask. And so I had to go to the mental doctor, my psychiatrist. And I've been going to the same cycle for so long that it is, like, to essentially talk therapy, really. And then just, like, taking your normal pills? And I go, no, I'm too twisted. Bro.

I have been taking this, like, sleep medication because I spent my whole life just, like, maybe five hours a night every night for 30 years. And that was like, okay, this is not right. Something is wrong. Right. And I finally started taking it. It's a little too drowsy. I'm sleeping, I wake up, but then can't get, I like, can't move for another two hours and stuff. And I realize I, I mentioned him, like, I'm developing this, like, weird relationship with, uh, alcohol where I'm getting like, I'm never like the best relationship with it.

I'm certainly one of those people, it's like, when I start drinking, I'm like, where's the next drink? And, you know, the family history of booze and I'm like, you know, maybe there's something there. I specifically have been having like this habitual always getting to the end of the day maybe it's like 7 p.m. I'm just like I want to start drinking. I want some kind of like shift in the day. So I'm going to turn off point. I'm like frustrated. I don't want to do. And I'm locked in. And I realized like I've spent so many years resenting the end of the day because I'm tired but have insomnia. So I know I can't sleep. And so I get to that. I have this really unhealthy like fuck. Where's all my energy going? Something must be wrong. And the end.

answer is, I want to sleep. Like, I'm now just really tired. Yeah. But instead, I'll get to, you know, I probably have an average sleep at the time of like 3 a.m. my whole life. Even if I'm going to bed at 11, I'm just lying there. Yep. Now that that doesn't have to be the case, the sleep isn't very good, but it is like elective. I take the pill an hour later. I cannot stay awake. There is a, like, still this like uh uh like

rivalry i feel like between me and my mattress where i get into bed stop feeling tired i suddenly now understand what it's like we're like that feeling when you put your head on the pillow so and so i get that i lie down and i go like oh this is what people talk about for 30 years right and then i're like fuck you mattress you don't get to have like half a limbs of week you don't get to tell me When I'm about to fall asleep, it is like the purest joy. Because I like the zen of like everything is going to be okay.

Actually I'm interested in I'll like let me listen to a podcast show and I'm like wow, I'm so interested in this. That is that's me. That's I'm just fucking that's me dude. Dude, I am mattress. I could do geology for sure. Um, okay. So none of these help me. Let's grow a little bit more and we'll see if one is going to strike my fancy.

Liam comes to me on the floor is a little too many. days required in advance. It's also kind of how I feel if I just travel at any point. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, because I'm like well, I do miss my bit. Going to a wedding or something for like a couple days does. Okay, these, they did ask for insane ones and get dressed up as a character and go to a public place. Not a cosplay, but today I dress up Cindy. She has a

fiance and a business degree. Oh. Oh, but Cindy's never heard of anxiety. Oh, she's literally dressing for the job you want. Playing pretend. I do, you know what? I'm fine with Cindy. I'm fine with playing pretend. Uh, whatever you need to get by. This is valid. You know,

I'm not trying to shit on the other stuff. Interesting. I'd be curious what each person's like character would be in, not specifically just like

if the business degree and a fiancee is like the aspirational thing. Yeah. Like I'm not thirsting for a business degree, but I think it's fun to like,

it's, what I was going to say, I think it's fun to go and play a character, but then I remembered specifically in LA like the fielder method, we in psychos

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That's Uncommon Goods.com slash Sad Boys for 15% off. Uncommon Goods, we're all out of the ordinary. Yeah. I got told that by someone genuinely one time. I'm like, it's just like one thing I do because I wanted to audition to be like the next James Bond. They were American, okay? I don't know what their plan was there.

But I wanted to like audition be the next James Bond or be in some kind of like action thriller type thing. So every sort of Sunday after work, I get off from my shift about 2pm, I would just find someone on the west side and just kind of follow them around for a couple hours, see what they do, see how they walk, imitate it. And they're saying it with like that kind of therapy speak and clinical element where it,

It's like, oh, wow, that's so mindful and self-aware. That's, I think, literally a crime. Even when, like, it's happening in the rehearsal, it stresses me out. You should spill your drink to get their attention or whatever. This one's funny. I watched Marie Condo show on Netflix, then I cleaned out my house using that method, since nothing was sparking joy because I was depressed. I ended up throwing up every way, throwing everything away. There was only my couch and TV left.

That is ridiculous. It was a TV show. like okay that's fine it's fine but i'm just like Marie condo she sells like a box and it's like it's like it's like it's the commodification of lacking like it is you are selling this is a very interesting uh like the narrative of this story is very kind of elegantly american but it's not something that you that most people can do i like where this ends up that's fun um it's just it's just not really advice. I do sometimes.

It's like something that happened. Like I sometimes will get in a funk and I rearrange my bedroom. Oh yeah. And it's like, okay, I know that just having a new space is going to help something, you know, kind of like put a little fire in my gut. But I think that like this is an extreme. You can't do this where you get rid of all of your world. possessions.

Well, she didn't even mean to. This is an advice. She was in a trance by the Netflix TV program. I do read that. I do not. I'm projecting because this is my library. But the hypermanic episode is like kind of, that is kind of the energy of it. And it's, I don't know, it's interesting to, uh, the advice of that giving is a narrative

that includes a blowpoint. Also, the concept of spending the next few weeks shopping for things is like, I'm like, ah. That gives me anxiety. Especially financial anxiety. Here's what everybody's like annoying countertip will be. He said thrift stores. Like, you've been to, for furniture? I mean, like, we're talking.

It's still expensive. Thousands of dollars. You've got to be like a real, like, king of the Facebook marketplace. You've got to be like, you've got to figure some stuff out. entire house, or like apart, but whatever it is. Let's take my first smallest apartment I ever had in, at a time where the economy was a little better before this dams, all right. It's like getting, he's cool.

They'll be weird. I mean weird about that. I do, I don't know, I like furnished my spot initially with only Thrift Shelf and Facebook Marketplace and the occasional crappy target college style, you know, like a cube, cube, and that, it was one of the thousand dollars to. to just, like, have the surface space and stuff. It is still expensive. You can budget more, but I don't know.

It's always funny when people are like, the same people that will say, I'm not saying it's supposed, but the same people that will say, like, you need to be mindful and present and focus on the self and not get obsessed with work and not get upset with money. I also like, but you also need a commerce-based solution where you need to upgrade your skincare and you need to get a new car. It is funny because it's like the commerce-based, so it's like. Like, even, like, I don't have a problem with Marie Kondo, but, like, it is like a branding thing, you know? And it's a TV, it's a commercial TV show on Netflix.

I would wish you had to keep the TV. Okay, I still, nothing's helping me. So let's scroll a little bit. I'm just going to skim. Also, I think that story might be fake. I once flipped off a child doing pirouettes on the street. All right, let's keep moving. Public libraries.

It's called public pool if it's hot. That's fun. That's fun. That's fun. Remember you're a part of a whole humanity. I do like that. I love that. Actually, anything that makes me feel connected with humanity, going to a protest, volunteering

at a place where you're giving out food or something, like anything where you can connect with your own community, yes, I'm all for it. And like last night, I went to vote and I have a mail-in ballot, but I like to go in person because it like makes me feel connected to my community yeah you get to see all the little volunteers you get to see all the volunteers and that the like the like ladies who like give me my sticker on the way out like that like it's like fun for me and i know i have a schedule that allows for me to wait in lines that you know like make sure that i can you know i have that day if it really like comes down to it yeah um i do think it's interesting that like a lot of these

and it's fun to frame it in these kinds of ways right but pretty much the answer for all of them is like address either a very specific problem that you are struggling with and take care of it or spend more time with people or your like spend more time in a state you need to be in reorganize your apartment was one of them except she made up a story where she watched maricondo and got rid of all of the stuff the funny thing about this is that a lot of these are the nuclear it's like so i set off a nuclear bomb in my house and then in picking up the pieces i realized I was no longer in a park. Well, I was farming through the granite at Chernobyl.

I realized I love organizing. The Invisible Day one, I was going to say, the first thing I thought of when I saw Invisible Day was turn off my phone. Yeah. Like, I feel like that alone to turn off my phone and do something outside with people, that's amazing. Don't have to play a little ghostyote. I tell you what. This is funny.

Do the weird thing. That stick. You keep driving. That's not relatable. I don't keep driving by a stick. Pull over and take it home. Okay. That huge hill by your house,

climb it. So none of this helps. But doing this helps. Thank you, everyone. I'm now out of my phone. Talk to your friends and make jokes about other people. So speaking of humanity.

Yes. I've heard of that. I like to think of this as kind of humanities podcast. Speaking of humanity is the alternate title of the podcast. Speaking of, That would be so funny.

Speaking of humanity, AI stuff is really taking over. We've never talked about that before. We've never talked about it before, but we're going to talk about it all right now. I think it would be really cool if every Ghibli movie kind of looked like a smeared bunch of pain on the floor. And if there was no story, and if every sitcom had someone turning into a guitar. So, yeah, Coke made a new ad. You know, when you were a kid and Coke came out with their iconic. Wait, wait, me and Jarvis are astro projecting back to being a kid.

Okay, think about it. Close your eyes. I was 90. I was 90 and I was almost dead. Okay, with the wrong way. Wait, tell me things are great. I'm remembering the good old times. Like when Coke made an AI ads.

Oh, my God. This was better. Things got worse. Things got worse from here. Oh, no. What's Zora? Coca-Cola holidays are coming. Sounds like a threat.

Look out. They used to always put out a holiday ad. And, you know, remember the polar bears? They were doing crazy. stuff, drinking Coca-Cola. They were like, yeah, they were drinking Coca-Cola. I'm like, don't do that. That's bad for your help.

Don't do it bad for polar bears. Now, Coca-Cola, this is a drink. I mean, when you went to the future, no more polar bears. Well, unless you're on the island. Yeah, that's true. By the way, I was 90 years old on the island from Lost. If you got your graphic novel that you're reading while you're on the island and then you dispute it for like four seasons.

Yeah, I had to keep pressing a button. There's also a frozen wheel I had to turn. Your dad leaves the show because of maybe like an insensitive racial environment. I woke up and I woke up. and I was in the desert. Let's watch this out. My name is Ben Linus. I'll go to the drink, right?

Yeah. Can I just say I already know that this was, this was assisted by AI, but oh God, this looks so bad. It looks shocking. This is exactly how, I just saw this, this picture that, uh, sorry, I'm really excited. I just saw this photo online.

It was like Spider-Man looking over New York. And then it said load in 4K because that's the thing on Twitter right now. But then you load in 4K and then someone quote tweeted it and was like zoom in and it'll ruin your day. And it was all the, all the traffic was like smudged AI shit like this. It's a also they kind of set themselves an impossible goal of I think one of the worst things to simulate with AI is an old man's hand. There's so many places to get it too wrinkly or not wrinkly enough. I was about to say that the original like the first shot looked looked at least like real to a degree because that Coca-Cola. logo is too crispy and correct and that hand is too correct.

Not that AI can't get hands right. Well, this hand looks fine, but the next hand looks a little weird. And they also don't have the assisted by AI thing on this. Good point. This next cut. Created by real magic AI. And then also look at the Coca-Cola and how shitty it looks now. Yeah.

Like it's like indiscernible. Do you think this will, this little estuze will sustain through the entire ad? I'm curious. All right, let's keep going. that's real now and then it cuts away yeah it is it's just when it's that pot's playing oh oh that's that's AI oh this is that hyper real AI shit you know what I mean yeah where it's like things are like perfectly lit I wonder if that's because the training data is like a lot of professional photography because I'm like everything looks

so perfectly lit no matter where it is right now that yeah the visual standard i that's the thing is if you your relationship with art is acceleration if it's just about like how many points how many art points it gets then it's always going to be as much stuff as possible it's always you can't have restraint because good it's like people that are like uh bob ross is bad at painting that doesn't look like a real tree that's like the goal is to do it needs to be a photo am i i really do think that a lot of this is and then they had to go in with, like, the expensive CGI people and make sure that the Coke logo was correct. Right.

Because can we zoom in on that front license plate? That's, like, just not how text looks. It's gobbled. It's in the North Pole. Oh, I see. Which, by the way, this truck is not going to be able to get from the North Pole to, like, any kind of domestic location to, say the least. It's like all that water.

Also, all the animals were perfectly lit because the holidays are coming. They were looking at this truck. They love vehicles. How do you think they decided which trees to put? Oh, wait. Oh, my God, dude. But yeah, so like, wait, so the lights are coming on. Oh, Rand as the tree is, you know what I say?

As the holidays come, the trees light up. Are they showing specifically North Pole animals or just any animal? Any animals? If it's specifically North Pole, why is there a panda? Nothing matters, by the way. This is all about shapes and sounds. Okay. I think it's showing cute animals.

Because they showed, well, it was polar bear, penguins. and like odd otters No there was like a hedgehogs I don't even know what though That's like a good point They might have been just like Kind of a blended species Penguins

So but they left the North Pole one So but they left the North Pole Now they're in the forest That's a hedgehog That's not Wanderman That's fear That's like Now they're in a snowy

China Snowy China What'd you call me? What? Snowy China You're talking about cocaine? Oh, because of the panda. Yeah, the panda's snowy.

I would never assume that the panda is from China. I know, but, oh, so you were saying where they are located in snowy China. I was, I thought you were calling the polar bear a snowy China. And I was like, is that a new term? Is that a term for a, or for a panda that I don't know? Whoa. Is this real? What?

That looks like absolute dog turn. It looks like Ice Age. He added, gem facing. He's like, DeFecke? And why are there now a thousand trucks instead of the one we were focusing on? Wait, can you play actually the,

that, this one part again, when it cuts to the slot? Where? Did he turn his head the entire way around his body? It's a horror movie. It looks, it truly looks like it's twisting around. It's an ariaster shot, right? Yeah, and then also,

he's lit by like an orange key light. I know, it's like, black. Like, the sun is not up. That's why he has to look away, because they're blasting a light. It's like there's light behind him, but there's light in front of him as well. I mean, I guess... Okay. It's, it is...

Again, it's the most. It's the most. It is the most. Well, the Coca-Cola trucks are surrounding them, so... Yeah, they're getting picked up. There's a Coca-Cola truck in the sky lighting it with its white. Yeah. Copter?

Yeah. It's like it's right behind me, isn't it? Say, what? God, that's fine. I do love that. smile. And I hate that white women of ruined sloths. What? It's like the white woman thing to love.

That and llamas. That llamas. Capi baras. Yeah. The snowy china, you know. Yeah. Getting a... What are we talking about?

Let's keep going. Those look so fake. Those birds. That was really weird. What are we doing, guys? And they were, like, not on top of the trucks well. they looked I don't think this is real

it's a little bit like oh I like how here it's wait like right if you back up maybe a little bit of a frame it's doing that thing where it's um in like oh like in Photoshop or light room

where you turn up the clarity a time oh yeah it looks like just extra stroked like extra just like dark lines and shit on the on the truck is also like you know it feels crazy

to be like well this the thing is Obviously, this shit's going to look wonky, if not entirely fake, right? That's just the stage we're at. The thing is, Coca-Cola, probably good on cash right now. Probably pretty flush. Probably can, like, Chuck, what? A million, one million dollars to get this entire ad.

No, fuck that. $100,000 to exploitatively get a small animation house to make this from scratch. But then the thing that doesn't make any sense is, well, I'm just looking now of the trucks you can't see the Coca-Cola on the side of it here. But the, the interesting thing to me is that a company like Coke who has such a famous advertising history

would make such a bad call. Right. Because in advertising, you have to be able to judge the moment and meet the moment and stuff like that. And so using so brazenly using generative AI in this current moment is just a complete like tonal failure, I think.

you know what I bet they're like people are going to love this that's what I'm going to be so excited but that's what I mean is like they thought that and that's crazy because they're supposed to be the people who are able to like read the room and show us what's going to connect with us corporate marketing research has funnly enough basically been machine learning historically right it has just been what is the most thing what is the most thing what's the most art what's the most noise. What's the loudest thing? But for most of, like, its utility, there's not really been that much going on. Like, there's not, it's, you know, especially pre-social media, not like a lot to talk about. Everyone knows what the most popular issue is. This reminds me of when

Pepsi did that protest ad. Yeah. It's a protest are big right now, right? We'll do an ad with a protest in it. Right. Because everyone's talking, it's getting the most, protests are getting the most impression. It's the most rules. Let's do an Andrew Tate ad. He's getting searched. Everyone's talking about AI, so... They must like it. They must like it. They follow a bunch of those people that are like, we are so cooked. Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean? Well, to be honest. Because those people love this shit. A lot of those people are people working in industry. They're just so high on their own supply. Yeah. And they don't consume it. Like art or it.

It's like... One of those freaking pay pigs like... You know what I mean? You sick, brief. They'll just fucking slurp it up, dude. But the thing is, is like, yeah, why would any marketing executive be aware of what's going on in the real world when they their job is get hide by your uncle step one make a kind of dog shit out that gets pressed and you get paid for nothing put something on a billboard that no one

sees and doesn't motivate anybody to do anything and then you work in children's blood for power you work in an industry where unlike the YouTubers who are constantly beaten over the head with the link in your description didn't convert to sales knowing full well that's not how advertising works they work in the fucking hand wavy industry of we put this uh vibes are up Let's look at the graph of Google trends related to our Coke brand. People are drinking Coca-Cola. Yeah. Did you know that Coca-Cola has a global VP and head of generative AI?

Do you mean, did I know that somebody's nephew got hired recently? Yes, I know that people have cousins. Pat Pratic Thakar said last year people criticized the craftsmanship, but this year the craftsmanship is 10 times. better. Yeah, that's the problem people have with AI. Wait, but if the majority of consumers see it in a positive way, it's worth going forward. So that is the misjudgment, because that is what they think about everything. And so all he's saying is, he's saying nothing. We cannot keep everyone 100% happy. No fucking shit. But if the majority of people see it in a positive way, it's good. No fucking shit. That's a generative AI version of describing marketing. We understand

the concern. No, you don't. But we need to keep moving forward and pushing the envelope. You're not. You're not moving forward. You're not pushing the envelope. You're doing the easiest possible thing. You also don't need to do any of those things. You are Coca-Cola. Why? You are to justify your wage. To justify your wage, because it's like, it's like if you, if you live in a world where you have this, like, hegemonic megacorp that, that has, like, impenetrable market, like, adoption. You're too big to fail and you need to figure out how to justify your job. Yeah, part of its ego. I mean, a lot of it's ego. It does drive people insane. Every founder that, like, made something with like a decent amount of utility, sold the company to Microsoft,

made a bunch of money, then has to be able to like, fuck, I don't know. Um, wellness brand? I'm smart. I have to prove I was smart and not lucky. Now, can we look at the last? year's ad because I do want to see if it's ten times better. It is funny to get criticism last year and then double down because... Was last year AI too? They're like, well, last year the craftsmanship was only a tenth as good. Yeah, last year was at least partially AI. So I read on the criticism was, oh, it must have looked shitty.

So let's have a different... So far it looks the same. Vives are the same. No, it's one-tenth as good. Okay. This looks like the KSI music video. Yeah, so far, same vibes. That looks weird.

Yep. Oh, it's the same thing. I mean, it's like it, so if the claim is 10 times, I'm not seeing 10 times. I am seeing some, some, you know, marginal improvements. I mean, Jonas, there was like nowhere near as much light on that squirrel as on that panda. There was a lot of, there was a lot of softening on the hand and Coke bottle, probably to distract from the artifacts and, like, the fact that it looked shitty. To distract from the ad. Their next AI.

will just be ring cam footage. Yeah, I've got to blow the pole riding up to the door on it. Doing the duggie or whatever. Wow. Dude, the AI walk. They're just a little blurrier. Okay, that's pretty funny.

It's the same exact ad, too. Like, uh, content wise. Wait, it's the same fucking shit. It's just on the other side of the truck. It has, it does have a little bit more of those, like, very AI looking. but they still exist, like this right here, the hyper-reel, like thing,

looks so similar to that panda. The hubcap is like wobbling instead of a turning. The classic, uh, Arc de Triumph of, uh, this is the North Pole. This is Atlanta. It is very funny to use AI and be like, oh my God,

with AI, we could make literally anything happen in a commercial and then just do the same exact commercial twice of trucks driving. Also, like, this is an ad you could have done at any point in time, because you heavily used CGI in the previous ones and it is fine.

Also, your Coca-Cola, you have Coca-Cola trucks. Yeah. They don't look as pretty, though. Yeah, they don't have Christmas lights on. They don't have Christmas lights on. That is illegal. That is way too many lives. They have a Tasmanian devil in the back

flipping you off saying, get off my back. They have Calvin pissing on a Pepsi. Whoa. Keep, they have big truck nuts. Can we keep playing? They're sparking in the ground. it's the same ad doing the same ad is

crazy to me he doesn't believe it I mean the audience that's like when I'm about to have a grease style sharks and Jeff standoff with the reindeer it is funny the lighting thing

how like they're all perfectly lit like even the ones that are darker in the back or like where's their light coming from okay Oh, bang us on them Oh Yeah, this is Tempta?

They just avoided using AI people That looked super uncanny valley The other ad might have had people We didn't watch the end of it Oh, I didn't realize But it doesn't matter, it looks exactly the same I don't want to watch the end of it though Just like get through it

But yeah, okay, this is the same This is not 10 times better. It's just such a weird insight into, like, a way that people's brains, when you're, like, truly, like, media poisoned, I guess, because it's not just these people aren't necessarily super online. They're just, like, detached from reality. It's so funny, like, I think I talked about it. I think it literally said last week,

but that thing of going round to, like, a grandparent's house and the wallpaper is disgusting in a way that, like, you'd think just the human mind would always know. You think you'd bring a caveman to look at like a velour track suit? And it would go like, oh, don't wear that. But we like, I look at the second ad and I go, this looks really bad. Like looking at it with my eyes from being human, I go, that looks very bad. The idea of an entire team of executive sitting down and going like, the panda is so shiny.

But it's like tech industry brained. Like you, if you're, if you're hearing people hype up AI so much around you, then Coca-Cola is like, well, we got to do this. It's like, yeah, exactly. I think it's a little tell that, you know how AI is like tricking lots of people, not even just like, you know, grandma or whatever. I think that it's a little bit of a tell that no one, not a single one of the stakeholders thought that this looked bad, you know? That's haunting.

That's like upsetting. Can we look at the end of the other ad and see if people show up? Maybe Santa. Holidays are coming. Truck is driving today. We don't have to, like, we can kind of just skim through it or play it at double speed or something. Like, these birds are too visible.

Yeah, everything's perfectly in focus at all times. It's like a video game rendering. That looks really weird. Yes, this is like a pre-rended commercial that would only be at E3. Oh, my God. Oh, it's just the same. Oh, my God.

It's literally the same. But no humans, maybe. Oh, there are some humans. They're all far away. They're like blurred in the background. Oh. Yeah, they were like, let's not show people's faces and eyes because that's the uncanny. I guarantee you that like that animation is not AI.

Yeah. Which is very funny to do at the end. It's like, well, that's our brand mark. You insane? We can't possibly. Yeah, I would look like shit. I mean, that would look like absolute ass if we used AI. We generated it.

It looked terrible. Just do another squirrel. It would end up saying like caca coca. I love caca coca. We've noticed that now next year, we're going to be 10 times better on the logo. And in retrospect, that was a whiff on our part. Some people will always complain. Some people always complain.

But 99% of our consumers enjoyed it. The other thing is even if the AI is better, it's the same fucking commercial. Yeah. And it's like what they're missing, the thing that, that their brains aren't comprehending is that this is not creative or interesting. I don't want to watch this. There's like nothing compelling about this. I know.

If I didn't have a podcast, I cannot imagine like sending this to someone. No. It makes me want to cope. But family, like people do send these around. Like that, that is how a lot of these things get attention is like, oh my God, most people are not marketing skeptical. Like if they see something fun that is an ad, they think of it the same way they would like sending a Jimmy Kibble clip or sending a cute.

dog or something. It's like, we're coming from a very skeptical place, but most people are just like, wow, some artists made a really cool Coca-Cola ad with no ulterior motive. And then why the fuck would you share this? It looks weird. It is also just like very upsetting in like a nostalgia way, because like my family, like, you know, Coca-Cola's Christmas ads have always been like a big hit with people. And when I was younger, they had these bottles that would come out during Christmas time that were little ball ornaments, like they were ornament shaped.

And we would always get one each as a kid and we would drink them on Christmas Eve and we swore to God that they had a slightly different taste than they didn't. But we would, every time we were at a restaurant and the Coke kind of tasted

like we thought it did at Christmas, we'd be like, oh my God, they have Christmas Coke here. And like they stopped. Wow, you guys are a bunch of losers. Yeah, we suck. No, I get that kind of nostalgia. Well, yeah.

And so like, stopped like making those for Christmas and we were always sad about it. And so like to see Coca-Cola like go from like this like it is a holiday favorite amongst families to doing this shit. A monstrous corporation from day to day Z like it's not that Coca-Cola has become more or less ethical. It's just that that is competent. But they used to prey upon our nostalgia and emotions around holidays and stuff like that. And they don't even do that anymore. I used to It just makes me feel nothing. Look, I used to be a sucker for it.

I had the Coca-Cola polar bear Christmas sweater. Yeah. Because it was cute. I like the polar bears. And I mean, if I see one of those at the thrift store or something, it's like, it could go hard. Right. And now I see this and I'm like, ew. But you know what's funny is, in my, like, my pessimistic, like, capitalistic, pessimistic brain goes,

they've really lobbed up Pepsi for a great ad. But then also, is it, have we? I mean, has it, I guess it's always been true that that is the way that capitalism deals with things like this. Yeah. Oh, a criticism from an equal peer? Well, no, because I'm just like, it's not, it's not like the ethics of generative AI that are going to move anything. It's, it's public sentiment. And then, and then another corporation leveraging that public sentiment, uh, adversarily to dunk.

And then everyone, if Pepsi produces a combative holiday ad, everyone is going to say, actually, this is based in Epic. Yes. You know what I mean? And now PepsiCo is getting like a clap for a real. And then they're actually going to be like, I drink Pepsi. I'm not weird. And it's like, I did a Pepsi ad like a couple years ago.

And it's like, because we do at, like, we will disclose doing an ad for money, but it was just me drinking Pepsi zero or whatever. I have Pepsi right there, guys. We've consumed products. Not up. Alert products have been consumed. No drinking. So what's better than an AI commercial?

Tell me. An AI pop star. Whoa! That sounds really cool! That's my Azizant. I'm sorry. Whoa. This is, I look, the claw.

I gotta use a claw. So Zania Monet, I think that's how you pronounce it. Zania Monet? She's zany. We should ask her. She's tiny. She's too neat. She's Zanya Monet.

Uh, so she's also not real, just like the tiny tunes. Um, and like, she's signed to a record label. Can we pull that up? Congrats. Seriously. Because I want to know who's behind this before I start going in. She has the hyper real AI face. Yeah, that's a, the, uh, dating app we looked at.

Was it? Replica. You know what? Every, every once in a while, not every photo, but some of these photos of her, she looks like Aisha. occur yeah it's also like so heavily like I I keep wanting to say face tune because it's um

but it's like what some it's like what someone's face looks like if they mega face it yeah it would be noticeably but again dude that is the most it's the most you can't does that make sense I'm using the right term Davis does that make sense to you? The most

it doesn't maximize it maximum yeah that's the most face yeah it's the most dude it's the most bright Face slider is turned up all the way. It's just like too perfect and clear. So can we scroll up? I was going to read that beginning because it does say the lady. Yes, yes.

Or back to the body, yeah. 17 million streams in two months, a multi-million dollar record deal, a billboard charting single. These are the kinds of stats that typically belong to break out human stars. I hate that, by the way. But today,

they belong to Zania Monet, bars, an AI-powered R&B singer who doesn't exist in human form. Monet was created by 31. year old Mississippi native poet and design studio owner Talisha Jones using Suno. Once again, another artist using Suno AI, which we talked about on Sad Boys years ago at this point, and who was embroiled in like a mini million dollar like lawsuit with, uh, because they trained on all the music that exists. Yeah, they didn't come up with their own idea, but didn't come out

of nowhere. A chat, GBT of sorts for songwriters. I would say it's a chat DVD of sorts for song, entire song production. Yeah, it's like, uh, that it just does do it. I'm like, I use chat GPT as like an essayist. Like, I'm like an essay writing guy. ChatGPT is a chat GPT for writers. And I say, please write this, please. Allowing her to transform her lyrics into music.

Now, that implies that she wrote these lyrics. Yes. Which is interesting. Very interesting because we know some of these lyrics. And we're going to read some of the lyrics. Monet's breakout single, How is I Supposed to Know, has climbed into billboards R&B digital song sales top 10 and reached number 22 on the overall digital song sales chart and our five song catalog has generated an estimated $52,000 in

revenue to date. So, they'll cover like a month of Suna. Yeah. So that's interesting. And the way that I found out about this artist is they got signed right after I made a video about Timbalins Suna AI artist Takatumi. which is the most Tata Taktoumi

Silly name in the world but silly in a racist It's a racist punchline that Timberland would make in a 2003 song featuring Justin Timberlake in 50 Cent The thing that struck me is I went to Zanyamaney Spotify could we pull that up

to look at the like a pretty healthy amount of monthly listeners it's she signed to an official record deal she's getting placements on like from what I recall placements on notable Spotify playlist

so real people are listening I know like when I first posted about this on my Instagram story people were like they're just bots listening and I'm like I don't think so not like that's too easy yeah like because yes you know there are bodied listens on Spotify

but I just this is a lot it would be a big fraud like it's a lot of work for water yeah it would be like you would think that the people signing their record deal would do the due diligence

before signing them the money, you know? Yeah, because they do have to pay them. They have to pay them. But, so if we go to the album unfolded, which is a very funny, I don't want to hear about the single daddy, relax. So this, so, um, here's some song names.

This ain't no tryout. First of all, 24 songs an hour and 33 minutes. this is because you can endlessly generate songs why wouldn't you just do what Drake did like a couple years ago and just make 90 song albums that are like not edited basically

it's the most of an album it's what's the most album but these might be Talisha Jones's lyrics they could be so maybe she only has so many poems you know but but what I'm saying is that when you are creating AR

on Suno Suno can write your lyrics for you. Yeah, it's true. We did, Suno made us a last year when we, you know, like we don't really do this these days, but like last year when we made a song with Suno, it was like doing country music truck jokes and stuff and and the

We didn't publish the song and like the lyrics were very bad, but they were functionally joky and they made us laugh or whatever. And it didn't feel gross at the time. The in an interview she did say that she writes

all of the lyrics to the songs. Okay. And that's okay for her to say in an interview. And I'm also, when you are heavily using a tool like this, I just don't have to believe you. I don't have to believe you about 100% of it because if a tool gives you the opportunity

to generate hundreds of songs unfettered, and the lyrics are as simplistic as the lyrics to these songs are and we'll pull some up, I don't know. I feel like there has to be plausible deniability, you know? It's like, it's like a, it's one of those like illusion things right where, oh, I mean, no one in sports is doing steroids because that's against the rules. Like, well, yeah, but they'll just pay us sara.

Barry Bonds lied under oath. Even if she wrote the lyrics, if she wrote them before the beat and tune were created, then maybe AI had to alter some of them to fit the rhythm. and stuff. So who knows? You're right in that it's like, well, if you're gonna drink

and drive at 0.06 blood alcohol, maybe you do 0. No, I only, no, I only use the AI here.

And even though there's a button that generates lyrics, I'm so disciplined, I never press it. I just don't think it counts. I cook all my meals from scratch.

There is a magic button right next to my oven that makes the food instantaneously. And even if and even if they are only using their own lyrics, and again, we're going to pull up the lyrics so you can decide,

but I would say that they feel like an AI could have generated them reasonably. I recommend they just use the AI because it saves you a little time. Well, that's the thing. It's like, even if they are just, they're writing all the lyrics, they're still, the sound generated by Suno

is the, not their own original work or artistry, but a, umalgamation of the artistry of the millions of songs that were essentially stolen allegedly to train the uh the music uh generator um correctly allegedly so let's listen we're not gonna be able to include this on the show because i think they could claim us but we're going to listen to how is i supposed to know the big song and then i want to listen to and this is a song that caught my a song called Miscarriage Blues,

which is on the nose for a song title is the first thing I'll say, but if that's the way you want to express your artistry by all means, however,

it hit me pretty strange, miscarriage blues being a song by an AI who cannot experience that. Now, if it's written from a human being's perspective, and then performed by an AI It's like a pseudonym

I guess there's interesting discussions to be had there I'm in a V2, but almost I still have all the issues with the generated music that I had before, you know? It is funny that we can get in trouble for playing this music

because they would consider it stolen by doing that. I know when it was generated by stolen music. It's all based on stolen music. can we pause real quick it's just so surface level like everything is just it's it's diary yeah there's like no metaphor no it's kind of making me think like I'm doing the kind of the the calculus of my brain right I'm trying to figure out like okay so if she is obviously like

you know association with the industry prior so like this is organic uh ostensibly it's the way that, you know, this is the method she used to get into the industry and is now in it. But I'm trying to think from the perspective of, like, the people signing the deal, the people doing the production, isn't the thing that you are paying all that money for, a property that can now be, like, like, propagated? Like, now you can, you do a bunch of different things with it. Zania Monet can't go on tour. You know, Monet can't do meetups, can't sell special tickets, can't attend special events.

It's like, so you, if you, the, like, a label signing them, why don't you just make it? Well, the thing is the label in these days, they aren't front there, any of the money that they're fronting is like usually in the form of an advance that is then owed back to them either in. accrual of revenue or they just owe them money and they're like the stuff that they're fronting is usually in the advertising thing and if you're an independent artist and you're doing your own marketing and you've got your own virality and stuff a lot of times the labels can't really do much for you unless they're going to put a huge marketing like arm behind you and so in situations like this it feels relatively low risk because they're either going to just like siphon money off of stream revenue

for very minimal in promise of something that it's kind of like when you sign it with an MCN as a creator like they get a little portion of your revenue and probably like the odds that they do enough to justify that are pretty low so that's like how I think that the record deal gets signed but then as I'm thinking about this now

I made this whole video about Timberlin's AI and I think they write the lyrics for that as well And I didn't feel, I also felt like it was fucked up. So I'm like, I'm just trying to figure out like, I mean, the answer is like these people are out of touch and they're just like, what's the deal there? Somebody's making a hip-hop song on the damn the telephone on the telephones have touchscreens now, you say. It's just like, I feel like going insane. Why would you, it would be like hiring someone to type on a keyboard for you, like sitting next to them to dictate an email that. they type instead of you just typing on the keyboard for free.

I think it's outsourcing anything other than what is a glorified private equity holding's company. You see what I mean? It's a scam to begin with a place to park your money. And that's and then as long as they can put their money in the parking lot, there's no other work to be done. Because what you're implying is still work because there's curation. You'd have to do something.

You'd have to do something. And you'd have to try, you'd have to get it to succeed as opposed to a thing that technically already, it's already got, um, proof of, proof of market viability. Yeah. And I'm sure that there's like some nephew that is just like, Hatsuni Miku, she's huge. And she doesn't exist. She has shows. It's exactly.

We can just do that. And everyone's trying to do this. And this is the big, this is the big arms race. And the reason that you sign her is because you want to, you want everyone to be competing in the gold rush. of cracking publicly successful AI music, because if you can sign them, then you have cracked the code of music that exists that doesn't require a person to be made.

Thus, it can be, it's an infinite money machine. Well, and this person, if this AI pop singer or whatever gets pop. popular. She can never say no. She can never go to another label. You could buy Zania Monet. Yeah, we don't know that you just straight up by the push. Yeah, we don't actually know that that's not happening. We don't see the terms of these types of deals. So it could be the case that, um, they buy it and then just it, it's like when your favorite YouTube channel goes under new management and it's bought by like private equity

and like the face that you follow leaves, except for the voice never changes. Yeah. And Daniel Mone is never going to refuse to do a performance or not work with a specific person or turn up late to a recorder. It's like owning Mickey Mouse. Yeah. Because even if Talisha Jones is like, I don't want to work with this record label anymore, the record label's like, okay, see ya. I don't know who you are. We'll have other people be, we'll just have AI make more lyrics for us.

Right. And we can put her face on T-Shed me. We can hire writers to make 100,000 seasons of The Simpsons. You know what I mean? It's like now that we've got these characters that people like, it doesn't matter if Matt Graning is involved. You know what I mean? Or it doesn't matter if Seth MacFarlane is involved. Like, this can live forever.

We can make a bunch of episodes about COVID or something. And that's the other part of the problem, in my opinion, is like, this AI entity doesn't have creative integrity. Right. So, so you might like her now and, but who knows what songs are going to come out in the future? Who knows like how they're going to use her in the future? And it doesn't make for good art, like for things that have lasting ability, you know? The lasting, oh, sorry, go. I was just going to say, to me it feels, and this could be, this could come off really totally insensitive.

on my part but it feels to me like it's a hustle by like the person who's made the thing and they want to make some money off of it and I I haven't seen all of their interviews maybe they talk about how like personally meaningful these lyrics are to them but like there's other paths I don't know I can see I'm trying to put my head uh I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of like what is a disagreeing stance stand for it's like oh well this person's taking ownership of they don't want to just be a

songwriter where they're beholden to other artists they want to create the artist so that they could have some ownership of that. Well they can't sing like they don't have the voice for it and which is perfectly reasonable but that's what I mean so if you can't sing but you want to be a songwriter well there's like a path right but then that path doesn't involve you being the artist and involves you knowing people and you have to build these relationships So what if you can own that stuff yourself?

So I can see that angle of it, but it's a little by any means necessary where I can't necessarily, I can't necessarily justify the means, but everyone's like... Maybe they tried to sell their lyrics to music to singers, and the singers were like, no, this is not good, I don't want to do it.

So they were like, okay, well, I'll show you, I'll just have AI do it. But there is something I think a little, there's always going to be something a little sinister about, you know, that I don't like being a, of this generation is cooked because it ignores how embarrassing that millennials are and

continue to be I'll admit it but there is an element of like that whole that phenomenon of like the number one job that kids are aspiring to being an uninfluencer not a YouTube or a musician or a it's like a a influencer like the result the end result is the goal and like the method is whatever it's like I want to be a founder And it's like, what kind of company you want to make? I don't care. It doesn't have made a company. I want to say 3X founder in my Instagram bio.

That kid that didn't get into Harvard. Oh, yeah. Make college grader. He just wanted to be a CEO. He just wanted to be a CEO. And he became one and he's better than us. It's like endless recycling of like drinking your own pets. Yeah.

It's like, well, I'll just drink my own piss. It's like, well, that's very not great for you. I'm going to drink the piss that came from the pets. That's probably really bad for you. Yeah. Like eventually. there's nothing in that piss. And I think if I want to be a, you know,

if the counter for a lot of this stuff's going to be like, well, it's right, it's just about getting the money anyway. I'm like, okay, well, let me appeal to you, ghoul, a demon, uh, entrepreneurial person. Yes. This will reach a point of fatigue because people, most people don't know why they like a certain song. Yeah.

It's intuitive. Yeah. And most songs people don't like. Just in the world. But the thing is, we now have a system by which you can generate, like, if Suno makes tons of bad music, don't tap the glass, you know, like, they, like, that was catchy as hell. It was catchy, but, like, you can generate so many things.

You can generate a million things. You know how hard it is for human beings to generate a million. Yeah. So it's like, well, now you can just play Kingmaker as these record deals and just see, or as these record labels and see who who um when the dust settles like who is still standing and then just like sign those people and there's something that people are connecting with i do want to look at the youtube comments of the music video oh this is real oh that's bizarre oh wow yeah no this is yeah it's

but it's got the um it's got that sponge bob filter on it it does yeah it's it's got that yeah whoa that's really bizarre you know what I'm talking about I'm trying to like the fuck in and see if there's any is this ain't no that's real I'm okay it's like just too

on the nose but I mean maybe that's helpful for people um all things Zannie and Monet we

open that in a new tab we don't have to go to it yet but I'm just curious it doesn't say who made the there's no credits there's no credits but then the other thing

that's interesting about this is if you go what I thought this was going to be Jacob is if you go to the the YouTube page all the other videos

are just like her singing so can we look at how am i supposed to know lyrics like if you just go most popular i think it's the most popular video so this is 5.7 million views two months ago that's serious and then let's find out so no no oh it's not i thought it was going to be that can we just like scrub through it and see if anything changes oh it's a lyric video got it okay that's all i need uh and then the comments yeah how many people know oh yeah i think it went viral on tic-tok or something well this is here from tic-tok thanks for solving by very good person nice nice uh slop-plop right right right it's wild that an a i can sound so human but maybe that's the point the emotion

doesn't need a body it just needs truth dude uh that one comment release it by making rihanna sing it then we'll consider it an actual song till then it's It's just a demo. Yeah. That's interesting because like, what is the range between paying to get a person to perform it that is not you? And I'm saying obviously the difference is, obviously, the difference is intuitive. But I think probably to a lot of people, it probably is exactly the same in that brain.

It's like, yeah, I'd buy a person or I just use the software. I'm acquiring a person either way. I think there is, like, what a person is an asset. What Jarvis was saying before, or one of you, I get you mixed up, apparently. You did really, I don't even play it again. One of you said earlier that there is something intuitive in the human brain where we connect with things. Like when you hear some of these lyrics and hear like, there's a lot of pain there.

It's a lot of like trauma. and I feel nothing because it's an AI singing it. If I didn't know it was an AI, would I feel the same way? I don't know. But this person saying, have Rihanna sing it, it's like because Rihanna can convey pain with her voice and create nuance and subtlety in emotion. It's like an actor playing a character.

Exactly. Even if Rihanna didn't write the song, it doesn't mean that she can't convey the emotion. That's the criticism of a lot of people for like regular actors or whatever you want to come shouldn't do voice acting roles because like their cadence and presentation doesn't, like you train to do voice acting. You know how to express a certain thing and a feeling. I don't know how much I subscribe to that or not, but it is the same like, this is not a like, these damn normies. People don't know what they like. They don't know.

Otherwise they would just sit down, close their eyes and think about a movie. They go like, oh, and then this would happen in the movie. And then, no, they need someone else to kind of walk up and go like, hey, by the way, did you know you'd like if there was a battle after another? Like, oh, shit. Wait, like one and then and then after that, another one? That's one battle. Then there's a twist. So the last thing we wanted to get to is miscarriage blues, which was the most, like, jarring thing to me because I didn't know at the time of listening to it because I knew it was an AI artist.

I didn't know the lyrics were written by a human. And I don't think that that should be my expectation, if I'm honest, that, that, oh, this time you're hearing the synthetic voice, but the lyrics are real pain. We're going to listen to Miss Carriage Blues, the least listened to song on the album because of how sad it sounds, almost one of the lesser, being that low in the top four tracks. That is all, yeah. Can we pause real quick? Oh, my God. So this was, yeah, one of the crazier things. to me and this is like why I

when they talk up the poetry of this artist I'm like okay that's great but the song miscarriage blues the core the first line of the chorus is these are my miscarriage blues and I'm and I'm like it's just a little

on the nose isn't it like if you were reading a sad poem about a miscarriage horrible event right I feel like you know that first verse as you're reading a And you're like, oh, it's not saying it explicitly, but I can tell that this is about, like, someone that lost a child or something that lost. I'm used to. But then, like, just going, like, this is a song about a miscarriage I had.

It kind of is. And I'm, I think my issue is that, like, and I'm not, I guess, a poet laureate or whatever. But I lost your license. I just expect some amount of imagery and metaphor. depth and and yeah I don't want to have to like make you know I feel like so often if you really literally say anything but especially make like a like a claim or a vibe space claim the first thing you do is raise eyebrow finger in the air evidence or logic I am not interested in rationalizing this thing I'm about to say because I don't care to debate people about it

It is creepy. It's just creepy to have this kind of topic filtered through this kind of software. And I don't... And filtered through this kind of voice, like this kind of output. It's like, okay, as many times you can make,

like, okay, maybe this comes directly from a real person, maybe it's fully written, maybe it's whatever. Are we really going to pretend that there's nothing generally society, Finally off about an AI singing this song. That's what I was saying. I'm not interested in the debate with people. Is that that's just the case.

With the other song as well, I feel like I don't care if it's this writer's real experience. The person who is communicating it is not a person. It's AI. Right. Publish a poetry book if you're going to like. Yeah. Don't make AI. It's so interesting because it's like I don't want to police like how people can get the bag so much.

But at the same time, like you said, Jordan, it's just like something is off. And then the other thing I want to say is as when we did use Suno for that one podcast episode where we were talking about it, the choruses of songs look like this where you'd be like make a song called I've got a big truck. And then the first line of the chorus would be like, I've got a big truck. It's bigger than it. like, and include, and include this, that, and the other thing. And it's like, that's why I initially heard this AI song and assumed that it was written by AI and not a person and why I'm still somewhat, you know, skeptical.

It's literally the right to, if the thing you're doing is just like to publish, to make a thing, to get it out, right? The right move would be to do a prompt. It would not be to write the thing. and I just don't believe that they had 24 in 4-4 verse and in this meter

just like I'll just type I guess I'll copy paste I had these in my notes out but I might as well just copy paste them It's just also so I guess like very

the aspects of it are very simple and they're the first things that AI would be able to do you know what I mean it's like the rhyme scheme is simple the lyrics are simple and also like

it's trained on real things. Like how many steps have to be between the source and the output to where it's like no longer authentic, right? Yeah. The Sunno is trained on real people's songs. Verse two quite literally hits the, you know, baby shoes never worn. Oh, yeah. Like, is that is, yeah.

I bought clothes I never got to use. I had names I never got to choose. Yeah, it also like with, an AI singing it, it will, like, you can say like, oh, if the poet wrote it, then, you know, it's still coming from a place of emotion. The AI is singing, I will never feel as strong of an emotion to this as I will to a real song. Yeah. Like there's, um, I don't know if anyone here listens to the crane wives. There's a song called Never Love and Anchor who I thought, I thought that song was just about like a toxic relationship. Like the person knew they were toxic and was like,

I let you go because I thought that I would hurt you. And I learned that it was about giving a kid up for adoption. And when I learned that, when my friend told me that, I immediately started stopping because I'd never thought about it before. I was like, oh, it's a really good song. I like it's just about a toxic relationship. And when I learned that, I was like, oh, my God, this song hits so much better. Yeah.

And matters more. Like it has a different kind of value. But then like, you come out here and you're like, okay, there's some emotion. They go, this is my miscarriage blues. And you go, well, that's not. Well, okay. Again, mission complete. Again, I'm not a poetry expert, and I don't want to doubt.

So this is from a place of genuine ignorance, but verse 2's rhyme scheme is A, A, B, B, C, C, D, D, E. Can you scroll down? Still save your name, same. It is quite literally FFGG. That is... It's like an improv game. You did one line and then the other version of the bench. Is the rhyme scheme of verse one the same?

Let's scroll up to verse one. It is simplistic. Close grow. Their hair, night, tight, keep me, hands, understand, away, stay. Close grow is a half rhyme. It's not a full rhyme. That's a slant rhyme goes. And it's like, and yes, slant rhymes are everywhere in music.

But, but my point is that it's like there's nothing. Like when I say that the AI does the simplest things, it's like, why would I assume it's a person when the rhyme scheme is the simplest possible rhyme scheme the there there aren't metaphors it's all it's all very on the surface observations and statements

and it's very on the nose and that it's the song about a miscarriage and it says this is the miscarriage song it isn't very long it is it's 15 song no and I'm like is that very is that insensitive no that is exactly possible like

it is possible like I'm willing to admit that But I find it surprising that they're like this person. They've been a poet for so long. And this is a way they're bringing their poetry to the masses. But they're not a song, right? And then I'm like, well, I haven't read a lot of poems where the writing is this bad. I would say that. I'm sorry.

Like I genuinely could be completely in the wrong here. But the first time I heard this was through not knowing that a huge. human wrote it or knowing that a human claim to write it, but hearing an AI song from an AI voice about a miscarriage and immediately being the meme of like, what the hell is this? It's got the, I mean, the truth is like, it's, this, this would be the software working successfully. Like, this is exactly what it should spit out because this is what it would spit out. It's what the song spit out when we generated one last year.

It rhymes the most reliably. I do think that the songwriter's not a poetry that. you know, you could say, okay, well, she's just a bad poet. But I think that is turning a blind eye to the fact that all signs point to AI made this, these lyrics. I mean, like, dude, I mean, like, it feels a little bit patronizing. Sorry, I'm, I just, I just thought to myself, is every, does every song on the album have the same rhyme scheme? this ain't no tryout first song different song

you keep acting like loves a test earn your best minute cold what won't hold ready temporary death step half rhymes

nothing something on home miss okay that's a chorus verse prayer there keep deep fear year rehearse reverse display gameplay is

am I crazy stairs care like right friends defend this is great cool also in like The miscarriage blues, like, whenever

she's like rubbed my belly every night. No, you didn't. I know, but that's the thing. That's what I was saying, like when I was listening to it. The next song, A Mother's Love, told, told, dreams, wings, wide, side, lost, cost, fall, all, face, space, before door. Like, I got to say, one thing I do not,

like, actually thinking about it more, I think is a bit fucked up is that, like, they're saying like, well, she's a I'm like, okay, well, if I'm a butcher, I'm not a chef. It's related to food, I guess. But it's like, poet, only to a music executive is poetry and music the same thing? Right. It's like, yeah, it's component pieces, you know, it's seasoning.

A song where, if I had like, if I was very good at like music theory and I make great instrumentals and then I generate lyrics for them, is it the same? So I- rules. I am an appreciator of poetry. I read poetry. I like poetry. I was an English major in college. Okay. I'm English, I'm not going to say I'm an expert on poetry. But that being said, I think poetry is a lot like improv. It is, it can be done very well. And when it's done very well, it's so impressive. But most poetry is garbage. But the barrier to doing it is nothing. Yeah. The very doing improv is being around some people. That's the only thing that stops me from legally speaking, saying I'm doing improv is the only

thing blocking you. I think anyone can write poetry. I wrote poetry like most of my life. It's not good. I wrote poetry as well. I've got some Venetius poetry here, actually. Well, did you rhyme? By the way, I'm going track by track.

School, fool, start, part, blood, months. Mindshine. Even my poetry is. not this formulaic. But that's, the thing, the, the, the, the, my point is not deviating a single time. That's insane. Like, ABA even, guys. That's what I'm saying.

Like, I, I just don't understand. It's also, like, regardless of if she did write these, having, maybe this is just me, but I think having an AI sing about real, like, like, trauma that people have and that is, like, like, very big parts of people's lives. is very insulting to the people that have actually experienced that. The goal, by the, like, and here, I mean, here's the, where the demonic element comes in a little bit,

is, okay, sure, maybe this person has that direct experience. The next time this happens, it won't be based on someone's real experience. It'll escalate because they see that it works and like, why would I need to, I'll use my nephew to write the things like, where would I, that's obviously the slippery slope. I don't like being that kind of guy, but it is, you know, clearly happening. The other thing is like, like, this working, like the dream version of this for producers,

executive producers, is that we don't know it's AI. Right now, the novelty is, oh, it's like AI. That's interesting. But it is literally more financially better visual to them, for them to full front to back, sooner generate a song about like losing a son or something. A big truck, let's say.

Losing your truck, which you loved. And then going, wow, I can't believe. Jeremy Bob Benonie really lost. He was in the war and he lost all of his limbs. That's crazy. And he can still make music. What a talent. And it's based on like nothing.

It's just track 13 on this album. Halfway through. It's called, We Only Link at Funerals. Look, what's that? Also, I can't pull up. A lot of the lyrics aren't on genius, so I can't pull it up.

But there is a song that I noticed didn't have the rhyme scheme. And I kind of want to listen to it later. It was called I asked for so little. And I'm curious if there's really. rhymes and I asked I was so little from Suno

in that prompt I said do whatever you want but anyway I don't know anyhow jazz do you love it do you hate it

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