Sad Boyz - "But where are you REALLY from?" w/ Mayuko

Episode Date: November 7, 2017

On a very special episode of Sad Boyz, we're joined by Mayuko to discuss our experiences answering other people's curiosities about our racial backgrounds. We talk about japanese convenience stores, Los Angeles (AGAIN), and whatever happened to John Lennon. We get raw, we get weird, we laugh until we cry. It's a good one. hit us up @sadboyzpod

Welcome to the sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also, I'm Jarvis and I'm Jordan big muscles cope Okay, today we're joined by a very special guest Maiko We actually recorded six flies michael thanks for being on our show thanks for having me i'm really excited and you shouldn't be it was a bad decision but we appreciate it we'll unlock the door in about an hour uh yeah people spoke to your people and you said that you would do the show yeah by which i mean jarvis talked to you yes your people spoke to my people uh mayako yeah who the hell are you i am a person correct whoa that's that exists i'm tired of this shit because you know what he threw you under the bus that yeah yeah yeah because in the first episode

of the show i introduced myself with my profession. And then Jordan just said he was a person. And then I just looked like a goddamn fool. Yeah, I guess. And so here we go again. Well, Jarvis, just to clarify, you are a person? Yeah, just to make sure. Yeah, I guess. I guess I'm a person.

An engineer first, a person second. No, I mean, that's what I tell the big boss man. Am I right? So Maiko is joining us today in sunny San Francisco, California. And by sunny San Francisco, California, I mean it's cloudy and it's kind of hot. Sunny, relatively sunny San Francisco, California. And today we're going to talk about a question that all of us have been asked at some point in our lives incessantly which is where are you really from that question yeah i got every goose bump yeah all of my bumps are goose geese bumps i have geese bumps that's when you're really cringing um maiko would you care to expand on what that phrase means to

you and means to us yeah um i guess well so my first name is extremely japanese but before i tell them my first name they'll be like but you speak an american accent but you look asian wow yeah which is something you grew up in san diego I did, I did. I grew up in San Diego. And that's like a pretty progressive place in general, right? I also went to UC San Diego, which was like 70% Asian. And by Asian, I mean Asian American. Wait, you mean hella Asian. Hella Asian. As you quoted.

I hope NorCal people don't hate me for that because it's like a NorCal thing. Anyways. Oh, yeah. I use like a lot of California slang, even though I've been here for three years. I'm all up in hella i use like a lot of california slang even though i've been here for three years i'm all up in hella it's not a california slang despite only being here for two years it's super weird with your accident what up fam and you're always wearing like a basket a backwards baseball cap and a bro tank i feel like this is a lot of critical feedback i asked you if you liked the bro tank and you said and i quote it was dope i i

mean to be completely clear i said not also with board shorts and flip-flops and a surfboard which is taking up way too much room also please leave my bathroom this is inappropriate in the shower but yeah it's a term that makes us all cringe because we all come from we're all born in english-speaking nations and we're not white people. And we are white people. Therefore, we get questioned. They're like, no way. You can't be from here.

It can't be. No. Like, that's not a slight against white people. It's just not, like, who we are. I think white people are doing just fine. Yeah. I don't need to defend. You know, like, I'm weirdly defending white people who

aren't even here well i mean it's 50 of me yeah yeah defended a little bit yeah yeah to get us started maiko how was your week my week was good um i just got back from a trip to la uh for my friend's wedding and uh yeah it was really fun i actually don't really like LA, to be completely honest. Whoa. I actually kind of hate it. Roasted. Man, I hope the city still lets me. These kind of comments, they might just back up and leave. My map is crying.

But yeah, it was the first time I went to SoCal in a long time. And because I'm from SoCal, it was kind of just like calming and healing to be around people who appreciate avocado and stuff yeah it's like a it's like a different lifestyle i feel than in san francisco it is yeah yeah this is uh the weekly la check-in for sad boys because we talk about our opinions on la every episode oh my gosh when i listened to your episode about like all the la people looking so good i was like that's been my life like san diego has kind of lived in la shadow for a long time so every time we would like go up to be like oh let's hang out in LA it's just like oh but we have to like get dressed and stuff and like pick off for flip-flops and whatever for me and the other uh filthy immigrants what is where is San Diego relative to LA San

Diego is about two hours south of LA it's like right on the border. Oh. Yeah. So it's like Mexico, kind of. I've heard that San Diego has amazing Mexican food. It does. And terrible fashion. It's, you know, it's very typical, like, surfer culture. Like, everyone's wearing shorts. Right. Everyone's wearing flip-flops.

You hear that, Jordan? So, sorry, I couldn't hear you. i was doing the shocker signal but yeah maiko and i were talking about you know despite like maybe not being the biggest fan of la it's great to lift yourself out of your current context oh yeah palate cleanser for sure yeah yeah i honestly when we got back from la last time after recording uh the first episode uh that was like a vacation and i didn't even enjoy it that much like it wasn't like i went out skipped work had fun we were working the whole time we were there but then when i got home i got that fresh cleanse feeling that you get after a vacation like

right it's the sandwich place that i always go to but but it's amazing now. Phil's is right there. Like, all these feelings of comfort that you get used to that now you can appreciate more. Isn't that the worst? Like, how you can celebrate, like, the most mundane things when you, like, move to a place, but then you get used to it, and then it's just expected, and you can't, like, be grateful anymore. Yeah, I mean, that's what living presently is, right? Like, that's the whole philosophy of living in a meditative state state is that no matter where you are or what you're doing you always appreciate the the the base points the simple pieces and i say that i fuck it up every

day yeah i mean it's it's it's something i shoot towards but i have a zero percent hit rate yeah what's that michael what's one that you identify that you one that you struggle with oh i guess topical because i just went to la but just like the fact that i don't have to get in a car to go to work yeah and like public transportation san francisco's like decent but la is just like diehard drivers right and so right that's different but they're all bruce willis yeah they're diehardards. They're diehards. Yeah. But like kind of going back to the whole like you forget to appreciate the little things. When I was a kid and I go to Japan, like I went once a year because my family's there and stuff.

And so every time I go to Japan, I would appreciate the little things so much that people would be like, yeah, I'm going to go like, duh. Also, everything's tinier in Japan. So you were just literally, you were just appreciating things. Yeah. Tiny man. Like I would go to like the, you know, I don't know, some like convenience store, 7-Eleven. I'd be like, the rice balls are fucking bomb. And people would be like, oh, but it's just a rice ball. And I'm like, but it's a rice ball.

Hold on. I think we need to educate people about 7-Eleven in Japan. You need to educate me. Yeah, because 7-Eleven is a place that you think of as like the corner store. It's kind of dirty. It's kind of grungy. it's got like a rolling hot dog you know what i'm talking about like hot dogs on those rollers lotto ticks and like yeah okay yeah yeah but in japan there is a 7-eleven on like every street corner and it's branded 7-eleven it's branded 7-eleven has fresh food it has baked pastries every day It's popular with like the salarymen

that like work in the area every day. That place during lunch and breakfast is super packed, but it's dope as hell. You are blowing my tiny little mind. It is. You could live out of a 7-Eleven. And I do. And I do.

I have such fond memories of 7-Ele and lawson and family mart in japan they're like all i guess competing for the same turf but very similar is there a trashy equivalent at the very least is there like the version of our 7-eleven in japan under a different name shitty place where you just grab old chocolate and like one energy drink that you think somebody might have sipped out of already i don't know because so first of all these places these 7-elevens in japan are open 24 7 uh and they stay like super clean and they stay like i know i know that is mad it's so wild the microphone could pick up the intense squint yeah yeah the level of skepticism right now is seeping out of my paws yeah it's it's wild's just a different, it's kind of like how you could be anywhere at like 3 a.m. in Tokyo and feel safe.

Whereas like in San Francisco, you can't. Like you could be walking in the dark in an alley and feel safe. And just like in a lot of places in America, there's like no way. You can't walk around a police station in America. I can't leave a hospital bed without feeling like somebody's gonna jump out at me but micah you were talking about 7-eleven oh yeah i was talking about like the the little rice balls that they have at 7-eleven that everyone in japan takes for granted yeah that i love but i mean it wasn't it wasn't even like big things like that it was like when

i was on like the subway and stuff and like the seat would be all clean and fuzzy and be like it's clean and like i'm comfortable sitting here and it's just like these little things that like you know i i like appreciated every single time i went back and like put myself out of a different context right yeah so you you are originally your your heritage is japanese yes yes now to tie us back to the main topic of the day yes uh i kind of have a question to kick us off talking about that and i would love for you to answer okay a little sensitive. Hope you don't mind. This podcast is all about feelings, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm ready. Oh, weird. No, this is a podcast all about the Chicago Bears. Oh, yeah. We have gotten way off brand. I don't know how we ended up here, but let's just roll with it. Anyway, Jordan, what's your question?

When you do a touchdown, I know lots about sports clearly wow i honestly even as a bit couldn't pretend to understand when you do a touchdown it's like you're when you wish upon a star when you do a touchdown that's the new theme song of the podcast um so michael when you are out and about and you meet a new person, what portion of the time, what percentage of the time would you say that people ask you where you're, quote, from? And then what portion of that time would you say that they guess? Because the guess is a risky move. I would place guessing somebody's ethnicity right next to trying to guess if somebody's, like, three months pregnant. It's just not worth it. Just don it that's a good comparison the best case scenario is that you get it right and they go okay yeah yeah weird how'd you know that that was weird yeah just ask

psa just ask yeah yeah yeah but also never ask someone if they're pregnant yeah yeah yeah unless they tell you hey i'm pregnant yeah yeah unless. Unless they're in labor and you're the father. Unless they're your mom. Never ask them if they are or have been pregnant. Because you can't be sure. And it's kind of rude. Micah, what percent of the time are people asking you and what percent of that time are they guessing? Well, so I think it's directly proportional to where I am in the world, too.

In San Francisco, in the Bay Area, it's very diverse here and so like rarely do i really ever get that question like where are you from but outside of i guess basically san francisco even in san diego it happens i would say like a good third ish of the time people ask me like okay but where are you really from oh yeah and i get in all forms of like like really respectful ways of like oh like where are your parents from which is a really sneaky way that is really sneaky wow so sneaky like you won't figure it out yeah oh weird how considerate that you're asking my parents i really should call them next day newspaper headline mayako japanese oh wait how did they figure it out how do they figure it out um yeah i that's that's pretty wild that like outside of San Francisco, a third of the time, because me personally, I just never ask.

I think that that's like the other side of the equation. I'm like, it'll happen. Like my curiosity can wait. Like we will find out. Also, there is zero application of this knowledge. Yeah, exactly. Oh, Japanese. Well then. No, there is zero application of this knowledge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Japanese. Well, then.

No, no. I have a bingo card. Friend bingo. I needed one of these. Japanese, you said? Check. I'm going to go to the 7-Eleven and redeem it. What is your race and are you a Sagittarius?

Because then I've won a small amount of money. I can win a Subaru. But yeah, you'd say in Jarvis, in your case, same question to you. How often do people ask you and how frequently do they take a shot? So I do not get asked this very much anymore. But when I was growing up, people would be like are you half white they would always ask that are you mixed are you mixed because i am like a lighter complexion black person so people are never confused about whether or not i'm black but then they're like but he doesn't look black enough so like let's ask i get that too let's ask the question yeah

people don't know if you want the valid kind yeah no it's it's weird and that's black people exclusively because uh because like people saying that you aren't black enough or like black people asking me if i'm mixed interesting and what's really interesting is that that there are like black people who are my complexion or like lighter than me who are purely black just like because of pigmentation because skin is different sometimes yeah yeah because skin is different sometimes but like people are either you know children and they're like kind of ignorant of this fact and they are just like their morbid curiosity they have no super ego we've talked about the super ego in a

lot of our episodes but um they just have nothing holding them back from asking and then for me it was also like the way that i present myself in the world it was a lot of oh are you mixed you talk white a lot of things you know after that signifiers yeah but there it was a lot of oh are you mixed you talk white a lot of things you know after that signifiers yeah but there's also a lot of like things where they know but they're still like can i touch your hair my goose and geese have turned into swans i have swan bumps they've leveled up the pterodactyl bumps they've leveled up and leveled down back to a prehistoric age uh because can i touch your hair is like the secret signifier for whether or not you are racially sensitive yeah like you can be silent about it you can be tactical but uh since we're

sort of going round circle i've mentioned on the podcast before but i grew up in a town that was almost exclusively white right to a terrifying degree if you ask me yes but um it was it was so white i had to wear sunglasses stroud england lovely tourist town incredibly racially diverse but uh lovely place go and check it out if you're in london um one thing i should point out is the portion the percentage of people that would ask to touch my hair both in my age demo and older adults who have presumably i don't know seen the news yeah or been outside i was going to say that like the only people who had asked me to touch my hair were children who were like oh different yeah i want to like i need a tactile experience i need

to learn at the very least excuse children and then i had people touch my hair without my like oh no and then they were like oh it's like a sheep no good oh god i'm like wow me in the ocean you're coming with me that's buck wild yeah yeah no it it happened i as to my knowledge i don't remember anybody ever touching without permission but that's because 100 of people asked oh yeah yeah so like but this is like I said, in San Francisco, not that common. No. But, but outside, it definitely did happen a lot, like when I was growing up. Yeah.

Actually, thankfully, since I've moved here, the question for me is not where are you really from when I say, oh, I'm from England. It's like, oh, we're in England because all of a sudden that's the more interesting topic. Yeah, yeah. It's not interesting to find out that I'm half Kenyan. You know what I mean? Like, we've covered that now we're two generations ahead where are you from what's England like are you from London because that's the only place yeah no I I was gonna ask you uh do people like when people are asking that question

it sounds I like doubt that they know the geography of England I mean I barely know the geography yeah no I feel like they're like but where in England are you from I'm just here to make small talk because whatever you say I'm gonna smile and nod yeah and like oh well i'm from stroud gloucestershire and they go aha that's not london oh that's a different word no further questions so uh maika you were saying um when i was talking about people being like oh but you're not like you know black enough uh uh you you identified with that not obviously about being black but about your own experience which is weird i guess that one percent of that we're constantly asking to be

30 of the time they ask me you know where i'm from one percent of the time they ask me if i'm black that's somebody looking in a different direction yeah i misheard it that's over the phone yeah um yeah no i relate to that because i think i don't have a very like typical asian face in a way like when you think of a japanese person you probably don't imagine like the features that are on my face so i get a lot of like are you half i guess yeah more of like are you half also people are like are you vietnamese are you half? I guess, yeah, more of like, are you half? Also people are like, are you Vietnamese? Are you Chinese? Are you Korean? More than like, are you Japanese?

Are you half is an interesting question that seems really insensitive, but I've learned and follow me on this, Maiko, from watching the TV show, Terrace House. Okay, here we go. I'm just going to go. Because I know what this podcast is about to become and i don't have time uh we're not gonna get that deep into it but terrace house is a japanese reality

show it's on netflix it's basically the best thing that's ever been made uh you can check it out but on terrace house there are a lot of there's a lot of models who are half asian like half white or whatever and so a very common question that people ask without even hesitating is like oh are you half how japanese are you and i'm i don't want you to like have to speak on behalf of like japanese people but you are going to have to i don't want it but with with a with a soapbox this tall for that door to unlock we're gonna need some answers complete the bingo and answer this question no uh uh but but but maybe just like um but anyway yeah you were just talking about

people asking if you were half and it reminded me of uh of that yeah and i think i think it's like there's like two reasons one of the reasons is because like i think asian people are pretty like blunt they're like i mean there's a lot of youtube videos about like asian people like growing up and like the questions that they get asked by their parents. Like, have you gotten fat? Do you have a girlfriend? Do you have a boyfriend? They're just like super blunt.

And so they'd be like, are you half? Do you have a fat boyfriend? Yeah, one of them. Do you have a half boyfriend? Do you have a half fat? Just like random number calculations. But yeah, I think it's like it's the bluntness of like asian people like being comfortable like whether that's good or bad you know like they're comfortable asking that but it's also

like the other part is you know even in america it's like glorifying kind of like the light-skinned blonde like person yeah which like has really just kind of like gone over to japan because japanese people are also obsessed with like how white people look which always sometimes is like whoa well it's like you take anime characters and it's like yeah hold on who is this and how what what is this supposed to be because what it looks like to me is a white person's skin with a cartoon's feature uh i have a follow-up question about that to both of you actually okay um how do you feel about a A, people taking a guess? I think, you know, it's not the best thing in the world, but I'm curious on your perspective. And two, do you prefer it if they get it right?

Is that better? That's interesting. Yeah. So my response is that, like, I'm not your, like, trivia game. Guess this guy's race. You don't know job. We're going to call random people in LA. And we're going to show them a photo of this guy.

Survey says. If they can guess his race, they get a $100 coupon to Walgreens. 7-Eleven Japan. Not worth the money. Yeah, But they don't get a ticket to Japan. So they've got to, you know. But yeah. So it's like a little bit for me, it reads like really poorly because it's like you couldn't hold this back. And then I like lose a little bit of respect. Sure. Unless it's like a situation where you're comfortable with the person and they like acknowledge, they acknowledge that. But I prefer that people are aware of like the context and if i can read that

someone is like completely ignorant of that context around that kind of thing then i'm a little bit more understanding but if someone like if i feel like somebody knows then usually i'm like come on yeah you know yeah i i'm like not too i guess like if people try to guess once it's fine if they give me five guesses then i'm like all right but like why do you need to know that bad why are we playing mind sweeper with my ethnicity yeah yeah because i mean he asked once and it's like okay they're clearly trying to gather context about me and i do that with other people too i'm just like hey like let's figure out what world you operate in. And that's fine. My cultural identity is a big part of me.

And having them understand where I'm coming from makes them feel comfortable, makes me feel comfortable. It's fine. Whether they get it right or not, I also don't really care. It just tells me how Japanese do I look. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or it's like, I feel like a lot of this is like, it's a, can you read a room? It's like when people like just don't know that it's like really off-putting for them to ask someone that like publicly. Which is actually why I would encourage not only us, but anybody listening who perhaps

has, I mean, I hate this terminology, but you know, a person of color, a non-traditional background, whatever that happens to be. I don't like isolating like that. Let's go with person of color. Person of color is pretty good. Because non-traditional kind of means like by tradition everybody's white sorry let me let me reframe that i'm non-normal if you want a normal person um uh this way i would encourage people to be somewhat forgiving

around that initial interaction yeah only because if you establish a rapport you can acknowledge that later on what you don't want to do is be like weirdly cagey about it. While that is completely justified. Totally. You need to be a little bit more open than you would normally be. And then push back and say like, by the way, not always appropriate to take a pot shot.

Cause it's like, you wouldn't do that for any other characteristic about a person. Yeah. It's like, let me guess. Nearsighted? And then they say no when you fuss it? I mean, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that's not like – it's like we all know why the person's guessing because that doesn't happen for any other characteristic about a person. It's like sweater, let me guess, H& like no all right unique low i'm just gonna stay here until i uh zara process of elimination is never an appropriate way to communicate with somebody life is a big multiple people's races are a big multiple choice test for me and i get off on looking to win yeah i'm trying to win i'm trying to win that gift card because Papa needs some onigiri. Now, I sense that we all have a little bit of a rant within us. I have a rant.

Maiko, I can see deep in your eyes a fire that I've never seen before. You have a bit of a rant, I can tell. I don't know if Jarvo's in the mood for a rant. I might be inspired by some rants. Maiko, I want to hear your rant. We'll call this special rant time. A little takeaway from the podcast skip i don't know five minutes if you if you're too scared scared of some true

fire scared of some true opinions well because it's interesting because i think like a week ago i probably would have had a completely rant completely different rant from what i have right now which is that like i don't know i think every person is operating in the world that they're used to and that they're comfortable with. Right. Yeah. And so if they're not surrounded by Asian people, by black people, by people that don't look like them, then they just like don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like a kid trying to gather context a little bit. Totally. And so I think like a week or two ago, I would have been like, yeah, but it's also your responsibility to get out into the world and learn about people and consider it and like gather as much context as you can. You know, some people don't context as you can you know some

people don't have like the you know the luxury of doing so right so it's kind of like i don't know i can see kind of like both sides where it's like yeah but you know the internet is a thing information is very accessible so like at least go on the internet or something you know at least watch a movie or two right yeah what's like the least thing that you can do to help with this the other side of it is like yeah but like you know some people have to like they have their own lives that they have to manage and they're trying their best to the people who are being ignorant to be ignorant fuck them yeah what changed in the last couple weeks um well so i actually had a really interesting talk with my fiance just about like america um so i drove to la which is like he's a secretary of

state but when you drive to la from san francisco it's like a five to eight hour drive right you know you can't be listening uh to like music all the time so we talked about stuff yeah other people might listen to a podcast michael and scott about America. By the way, Michael, you don't have to justify talking to your fiance. We understand. I only have five to eight hours. We don't have it.

We only have options. We don't. We only have two CDs. That's roughly two and a half hours of music. We had another two and a half hours and I don't, who knows how we're going

to fill that time. So I engaged in conversation with my fiance. I learned his name, which was nice. I'm going to cry again. Because you're so offended. Audio only podcast. Wait, what was I going to say? You were talking to Scott about America america oh yeah i was we were

talking about america and we were talking about kind of like my distaste for like what we called middle america and middle america means different things to different people like middle america could mean middle class america which means more like the economic state my definition of middle america was kind of like people who don't live in urban areas on the coast and kind of live in the center of America. Yeah. Which tend to be kind of like what are typically known as like Republican states in the United States. I'm not saying that Republican people are bad or anything, but it generally tends to be very like homogenous in terms of like diversity. Yeah.

Especially kind of like if you look at all of the geography of America. Right. And so I was thinking about that and I was like okay but like these people are like so i the other thing is i also grew up in new england and i spent like three years in connecticut and i was like the only asian girl in school right and so like you killed the others yeah i was like there can only be one yeah it was you absorbed their power it was battle royale yeah sorry we should mention the reason michael's on the show is that she starred in the original movie she won the battle royale there are no more seventh graders and i say that just because like i think after i moved to san diego where it's like most like

a lot of the population is mexican you know san francisco is like very like diverse in that sense in terms of like racially diverse and whatever. And like, like I know like not all white people are the enemy. And I had like friends who were like, you know, fine. I feel like I'm defending white people again. Yeah.

I want us to have a caucus at play that says, Hey, I like white people just fine. Yeah. I think that like ultimately, yeah, it's, it's weird that we have that.

Cause you know what, you know what it is? It's like, I don't want to be seen as like angry black guy. it's weird that we have that because you know what? You know what it is? It's like I don't want to be seen as like angry black guy. That's what it is. It's like I'm not. And that's a whole different thing to be talked about. But what we're saying is that people who and it's not just like middle America.

It's not just like someone from a particular like political preference. It really is just people who have solidified their own view of the world and have no interest in expanding it and have no no interest in you as a whole person yeah your personhood is not of consequence to them you simply are oh it's black jarvis right it's bingo right it's like it's like oh oh i haven't seen one of these before. Well, I don't know why I'm doing this accent. But the- That was your real accent. Yeah, I slipped finally into the true accent.

That's Javaris. Yeah, my name's Javaris Johanson. Welcome to my podcast. About the bears. About the Chicago bears. And also Farmville. I have wide-reaching interests interests none of them are race imagine people complexly that's all i'm saying just as i sound like this doesn't mean any other things about me

damn javis devarus turned out to be really progressive it's it's woke javaris um but yeah like i uh i don't yeah i also like, I'm not trying to be in like the defending white people camp, but, but more than like, I don't want to fall into the trap of like stereotyping a person from a particular place, even if like there are more people from that place that exhibit certain characteristics. Like it really is just that you don't, you want to be treated as a full person and you want to be respected with regard to your like existence and your context and your upbringing. And whenever people are

completely throwing that to the wayside is when I like kind of flip. I'm like, well, you know, cause you know, I get a little, I get a little vengeful. Like whenever people like follow me in retail stores, I get real dude that number one trigger yeah people follow you and when you get profiled like when people are like all right let me do the math black people steal things this guy is black i know one and one equals two so and so often the philosophy and this is not obfuscating blame it's a fucked up thing to do right but the calculation that i think happens the majority of the time is well i can either lightly hurt the feelings of this person or I can get my stuff stolen. You know what I mean?

And to them, it's just like, you know, maybe he doesn't come back again. Maybe he doesn't even notice me. I at least don't lose something. Yeah, yeah. But it's actually really damaging. It's not just like lightly hurting somebody's feelings. It's reinforcing a really, really messy philosophy. Yeah.

And it's like, I don't even want to put it on, I feel like I can not put it on the individuals. I can only put it on these like overarching power structures. Yeah, absolutely. Because that, like the person who's following me around has probably just heard from their boss that they need to do this. You know what I mean?

Yeah, they've had no impact. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've had no influence over the fact that they have to do this. It's just like, either I've been culturally or institutionally taught to do this. Right, and like in those those situations i lose my cool and feel like i need to pull rank i'm like have you heard my podcast you're gonna be quoted on sad boys yeah yeah it's like it's the number one podcast about the chicago bears basically the sf area yeah about japanese

convenience stores so anyway uh maiko back to your rant about ignorant people. Yeah, but yeah, I really like what you brought up because it's like, I don't want it to be like a us versus them kind of rhetoric that I'm talking about when it comes to race. So I think that's why I feel the need to be like, but I know some white people and I'm great friends with them.

We all know white people. Jordan and I together make one white person. Working as friends. Together we can do one whole white person yeah yeah and like you know i think that's also very important because the way to change someone's mind and not to be is not to be like you're wrong right to be like i know where you're coming from i understand the world that you're operating in but think about it this way yeah yeah doesn't it suck that that onus falls on us though? It does. It's so like exhausting.

Yeah, it does. But at the same time, I feel like acknowledging that and moving forward is the only way. I agree. I agree. And that's a pain. I'm okay with like, like it is just reality and that's okay. Okay. So one story that like is something that I remember very vividly is when I was growing up in Connecticut, like I was in

second grade I was like it was like me and one other girl who was Asian and then all of a sudden I go to school one day it's like eight o'clock or whenever elementary school starts and this half Asian kid starts like he's a new kid in school my friends come running to me and they're like oh my gosh we go we found your perfect husband oh my god and I was just like oh my gosh, Weiko, we found your perfect husband. Oh my God. And I was just like, oh my God. Why? Like, how is he? Why?

Like, I don't get it. Like, is he really into plants? Does he play Pokemon the way that I do? We have the same favorite Pokemon. Is that like what the criteria is for this? Yeah. And then I see him. That's the worst thing I've ever heard.

It was so bad. Yeah. How old are you in this situation? I was, I guess, like seven. So perfect marriage age. Fortunately, one of my friends with a preacher obviously wanted to marry us on this one. It's fine.

We're seven and we've decided your perfect life commitment. For context, did you have a lot of weird, difficult racial conversations with that group prior to? Or is this a suddenly they just came out with this weird, ultra racist comment? You know, I might have, but like maybe like I didn't I don't really remember them, to be honest. Yeah, yeah. I can remember like. Cool roasted.

Wow. Like they might have happened. Fuck you, Tiffany. You got erased from my memory, Angela. That one thing you said long ago that I don't remember you're dead to me now I you know I had a similar thing but I don't want to oh yeah no just to finish the story yeah like I saw him and I was like oh this kid he's he's just like a kid and I didn't even think about it like oh because he's Asian or what because I was just like ah

like whatever right and then I was and then I remember asking him was like but why is he my perfect husband they're like because look at him oh oh my god yeah yeah and then they asked me like oh do you think he's cute i'm like he's all right is it awkward now that that is your fiancee yeah that's what they meant like they got it they got it right but for the wrong reasons well weirdly enough they were saying look at him because they were like, well, he has the exact jaw structure that you described really enjoying. By God, does he enjoy the same shows as you? It was actually very insightful. I was friends with the guy that made Tinder. He just got it.

I actually had a very similar experience. And it wasn't purely based on race, but like because i went to elementary school with a lot of black kids um but being uh lighter skinned and being um a bit of a nerd uh being a kid out being a kid who like like took academics more seriously than my peers right like kind of pushed me outside and there was just like a girl who had the similar characteristics she was like slightly lighter skinned and she like was doing great in school and it was like y'all love each other and we're like um no sorry hey this will be a crime in 10 years yeah no i actually uh we still keep in touch and i like messaged her recently and i was like do you remember the stuff we used to get made fun of for it was like oh yeah talking white how we were in love uh and i was like really

that was like a topic yeah yeah that was the thing because we were two people who like you know talked white uh and and we were uh we needed to be together because that's really the only criteria for two seven-year-olds that's the thing but i i have the exact same experience same era of my lifetime same concern same weird racial overtone. But the thing that I struggle with is that for the most part, it was fairly well-intentioned, at least in my experience. It was not like, oh, finally, we've found somebody to ship Mayako off with. It was more like, oh, OK, well, based on my understanding of the world, both of my parents are the same color and they get along pretty well and they're still together.

That's just how relationships work. Ayako, we found one. Yay. Puzzle pieces. You can be happy now. And it wasn't because it's like, oh, but Brian's mine and she has a crush on Brian.

So we can put her off. It wasn't like that at all. Yeah. It was totally just like, oh, they kind of just like fit together because that's how I see the world. And that's how they saw it. And so I don't,

I don't like, like looking back on it, I don't blame them or anything, but it is interesting that like those kinds of biases came out that way at that time. Yeah. Very acceptable mindset. A photo child.

Please eliminate that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is 14. But those experiences shape you, you know? Like I think that i

don't fault like the seven-year-olds for doing what they did but but what was weird is that in high school uh i went to elementary school with a lot of the same right in high school i went to in high school i went to elementary school based on my performance i had to redo the whole thing and in in high school i went to school with a lot of the people who also went to my elementary school yeah and there were kids who i would interact with who their last interaction with me was elementary school and the shit from elementary school came up again and i was like that was still in your mental model for me like i seriously had this interact interaction with a kid who ate chalk that was his like claim to fame in our elementary school hey drivers you still smart uh hey you still eat chalk like i didn't know how to

like deal with that situation he roasted you yeah he just got right he got me he got me rekt my man yeah that was that was it you know this is a podcast about feelings so i am a i'm really happy that this is a platform that we can all use to be sincere about about our feelings like we don't know the answers you know what i would really love on that topic right is for somebody uh listening to the show presumably there are some of them i wouldn't recommend it but i hear that people have listened to the show uh if you're from a um if you're from a non-poc background if you are you're from a white background uh and you grew up in an area with a lot of people that look like you yeah i like a homogenous background exactly a gross bad no if you're from a background like that i want you to

if you're comfortable with it to tweet at the the Sad Boys account, at Sad Boys Pod. Don't forget the Z. Yeah, I can turn DMs on so they can do it. Oh, that would be great. Yeah. Okay. So DM Sad Boys Pod, because this isn't for like exposure. This is just more for personal interest.

Do you feel like you've experienced a similar thematic feeling without the exact experience? Right, right. Whether it be a trait that you had or the way that you looked or the way that you did things. Something that was indelibly tied to the personhood of you that you would be more than happy to not talk about.

Yeah, yeah. Like an unavoidable part of who you are. Yeah. Very curious about that. Yeah, for me, I mean, I can share some more things about myself. I have a gap in my teeth and that is just a topic of discussion for children people are just like but your teeth and i'm like uh could we uh have you seen the weather though explain yourself yeah they're

like why is it like that i remember in middle school um there was like this kid who like leveled with me like sort of no one was around he was like but are you gonna get braces though and it's like hey man uh i have to go to class after this it's like it's like he had no idea of like the financial situation of like my family in that moment it's like yo do you know how expensive braces are uh like and it or or uh you know like people making fun of me for like my weight people like grabbing my uh uh my breasts that's out of control that happened to me yeah i had like man boobs and people would just like grab them and it would be the punchline lots of people inappropriately just like touching you with yeah yeah it's like yo it's like not everybody

you know and then i honestly like think that dealing with that and like figuring out how to like thrive in that situation has like helped me become who i am today but like that shit is uncomfortable and i like don't wish that upon anybody well that's the tricky thing is that that's not the kind of conversation that people have with their kids right right because uh inquis being inquisitive and being tactless is what you do for the first 10 years of your life. Right, right. Constantly do things that are otherwise completely unacceptable.

Get a small bollocking. Sorry, English term means you've been a little bit naughty. Bollocking? I never heard that one before. A bollocking is when you get told off, but not too severely. Ah. It's like, I got a bit of a bollocking. Okay, I see, I see.

Not too much of it. Nobody has ever got a full bollocking, as far as I know. Only ever a bit of a bollocking. Okay. Not too much of it. Nobody has ever got a full bollocking as far as I know. Only ever a bit of a bollocking. The last person who got a full bollocking was Moaning Myrtle. Now she's trapped. Now she's trapped in a bathroom. But basically, like, it's a thing that you don't want to discourage in children. But at the same time, how do you teach tactfulness to a baby yeah how do you

say okay i know that this boy he's got a completely different skin tone to you and it's very noticeable because nobody else looks like that but you can't bring it up yeah yeah it's interesting i think that the way that you do that is with exposure like kind of like no one's born racist like but but it's inaccessible for a lot of people to like be in a multi-racial background or be in a uh diverse situation yeah like growing up uh because you know like if you grew up with people who didn't look like you then your baseline is that not everybody looks like me sure and and and now you're thinking about that you're not thinking is that not everybody looks like me sure and and and now you're thinking about that you're not thinking about that difference you're thinking about all of the

like life experiences that you've had with these other people right yeah and i also want to go back to like we also don't know the answers here and but we are pretty malleable so if you disagree with us like we want to hear you oh my god it's hear you hit us up at sad boys pod if you want to start a conversation do it publicly if you don't want to do that just dm yeah yeah and and like because yeah this is just a thought but maybe there's like you know missing pieces in our logic yeah absolutely yeah when i was growing up my mom used to tell me this story uh not not a fairy, about how my, I believe it was my great-grandmother, her grandmother, was walking down the street one day. I'm guessing this was the late 1800s. Okay.

I don't know, early 19, I don't know. Wait, you said your great-grandmother? My grandmother. Yeah, my great-grandmother. Okay, okay. Two generations above her. Yeah, yeah great-grandmother. Okay, okay, yeah. Two generations above her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was walking down the street, and she was maybe nine, ten years old, and saw a black man for the first time ever. Right.

And screamed and ran away. Oh, my God. Which is a story that my great-grandmother told with great pride, for whatever reason. Because, of course, like, she did not have the amenities to educate herself right it's literally if you didn't see one you never saw one there wasn't the internet right like and i think that now we have this weird like we have a different problem which is like all the black people i see on tv are athletes or like you know what have you yeah uh and and so that puts a weird like i've gotten a thing like that's like oh of course you

can dance you're black and i'm like uh what i went to julia i i practiced the dance moves to high school musical one move at a time just like everybody else and i don't want that like that work to be like absolved into oh but like based on the color of his skin he has this basic stat loadout like i'm a goddamn rpg character he has plus one charisma plus two dance yeah yeah michael i'm curious what are at least in your experience have been the traits you're attributed with oh okay asians are attributed with being good at math um i think that's probably the the biggest one. And I imagine you're decent at math, right?

With your job. Yeah, you know, I have like an engineering job. I kind of lived up to the stereotype. Mayako, you should have been bad at math. And Jarvis, you should have been bad at dancing. Because choosing to be good at those things has done nothing for the culture. Yeah, it sucks because you can't be good at the thing

without like solidifying, oh no, my stereotype checks out. But when I'm good at math, it sucks because you can't be good at the thing without solidifying, oh, no, my stereotype checks out. But when I'm good at math, it's like weird. It's like, whoa. See, I made, as a mixed race Englishman, I made the very considerate choice to be very stupid because everybody thinks that the English is smart. I made that choice for all of us. Thank you. I've made that sacrifice. I really appreciate your sacrifice. Thanks, dude. I'm All of us, okay? Thank you. I've made that sacrifice. I really appreciate your sacrifice.

Thanks, dude. Wow. I'm kind of a hero. Yeah. Word hero gets thrown around a lot these days. And if you're out there and you're wondering if you need to be good at math to be a software engineer, go ahead over to HelloMayuko's YouTube channel and watch her YouTube video about the subject. Hell yeah.

Check it out. Actually, on YouTube, have you gotten a lot of people taking pot shots have you gotten a lot of people going oh you have japanese full japanese oh yeah yeah yeah it's actually funny because my very first video which is like my biggest video so far um yeah it's kind of blown up but i didn't and it's like dude it's my first video like chill like don't watch my first one watch my 10th one yeah you can't choose what you're famous for yeah exactly but i'm eating a bowl of pho for dinner and people are like are you vietnamese and i'm like yeah because i happen to be vietnamese

i wasn't but then i ate the pho weirdly in my video about japan uh nobody at the end when i said i was gonna go eat some ramen no one asked me if I was Japanese. I mean, that's the true future, right? Everybody makes assumptions based on your actions and not on the way you think. That's the dream. Six foot three

black man. Are you Vietnamese? I mean, I do love pho, but no. Yeah, I get love pho, but no. Yeah. No, I get a lot of people asking what race I am on my videos. Yeah. I get also a lot of, huh?

No, I don't. I'm just like, ah, that doesn't really matter. You're not listening to what I'm saying. I also get a lot of stuff about like, because there's the whole stigma of like Asian women and being kind of like exotic and sexy and stuff. Like I get a lot of those comments too. And I'm sure a lot of those comments too. And I'm sure a lot of other women YouTubers do as well, but it's very like Asian oriented.

And I'm always just like, yeah, just like fuck off. Bye. I have not yet crossed over into the world where I'm getting a ton of negative comments. Though there is a, this is on topic. There's a comment on a video that Maiko and I did together. Oh, no. Where the comment, without context, is war on white America.

I shouldn't have written that. I'm starting to feel guilty. I was a little in bad taste. I had a couple of drinks. You know how I get. Yeah. But no, it was just like, what in the world? Like, where did this come from?

You were just like two non-white people. In one video? War on Christmas, I think. Yeah, I want to make America great again. Make YouTube white again. I am obsessed with what that person did after writing that comment. Did they just lean back in their desk chair like, nailed it. Don't worry, everybody everybody i fixed it there was previously a crisis but made a pretty indicting comment

they they they turned up their rush limbaugh radio and and and blasted their fucking alex jones conspiracy theory at the same time it was audibly pretty stressful here's the thing about the microwaves changing your brain patter pitter patter freaking frogs gay i have a frog in my throat which is why i sound like this previously i sounded like tina turner so jordan i word on the street and street, I mean roughly a few minutes ago in the video, you said that you have a rant. Well, earlier in this very nice podcast that I think is just fine. A just fine podcast by two nice boys. Oh, my God.

We found our slogan. So, the thing that I wanted to bring up is it's an interaction that I had recently, an interaction that I've actually... Oh, my God. An interaction that I never had before I moved that I've actually, oh my God, an interaction that I never had before I moved to the States, which as far as like racial communication goes, is actually pretty rare.

I felt like I experienced most of the stuff in the UK, brought it over, and it actually became less of an issue here because I lived in a much more diverse area, San Francisco. But I had this interaction that I feel like could only happen in a relatively diverse area.

Like you have to have some context in order to make this weird call. Okay. So I went on a date, which no big deal. Humble brag. Pretty cool, huh? Talk to me later about how that happened. Always happy to give tips. If anyone wants to DM the Sad Boys page, happy to lend a hand.

So I went on a date with another another human being which was nice and um while i was there uh we were hanging out we were just chatting and uh at no point did we actually discuss my racial background many moons later i find out that at some point because we have mutual friends a mutual friend mentions to me uh yeah yeah i didn't know you went on a date with that person oh that's funny i must have been cool she said you were like quarter black right and I go like well okay well that never came up she never asked but no I'm actually

half black and then they say are you sure and I think I was like it was kind of a joke but also not completely a joke. And in response, I thought to myself, well, yeah, my black dad told me. My big Kenyan father seems pretty sure about it.

Are you sure? My BKD was DTF with my mom. She created me. WTF BBQ. my my bkd was dtf with my mom created me uh wtf bbq so that's my little rant i wanted a little space wait how did that end uh it ended with me being like oh that's yep i'm half black okay goodbye did you ever bring that up with the person who was like oh he's only a quarter black so it's okay no i i no i just projected that entire like conversation but like the fact that it would come up that there was a stat about your blackness like and it triggers me figure right yeah that plays into the game oh no no it's okay he's only 13.67 repeating black

you don't have to follow him in the 7-eleven yeah he's not at danger level yeah they've got like a meter when it actually i don't mind well actually so i'm even lighter than you i am a yellow bone i would say you're a red bone um it's gone platinum yellow bone my follow-up go to sleep that was yellow bone less popular song. Less active. People didn't like my remix. You could theoretically mistake me as quarter black or even less, or even have a completely different heritage. But no, I'm half Kenyan.

And two big qualms. That just means that one of your parents went to Kenyan college. And learned how. Two big qualms. One, just don't take a shot. Kenyan college. And learned how. Two big qualms. One, just don't take a shot. I would rather that you ask me and it's awkward and I tell you that you start assuming. That's buck wild. Also just telling other people false information.

I'm pretty sure based on his face. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Derek is 14% North Irish. Just call me 23andMe. I am an Ancestry.com of myself. So that's my little rant. Thanks for giving me this opportunity to take down the whole goddamn world. I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world it's it's acceptable and this is definitely an example that uh we can pull back to our initial quote of hey if you aren't sure what to say yeah when to talk about this stuff just go candid and we'll set you on the straight and narrow

like in this case i set them on straight and narrow and hopefully that's not a problem again but at the time i was just thinking to myself like, wow, I've never been questioned before. The are you sure is like, well, I'm not wrong. I look out into a window and it's raining. Wait, I don't know anything anymore. The only person who should have the authority to ask you if your quarter is like your mom or your dad. Or not even your dad. Or yourself.

Or yourself, yeah. Inappropriate, dad. Are you sure? I'm yours, right? By Jason Mraz? Yeah, my dad came up to me and he went, I'm yours. He just sang Jason Mraz. My dad is Jason Mraz,

which I guess actually makes me a quarter. Wow, the truth comes out. This is suddenly adding up. So we've all, me and Maiko, we've had our little rants. Thanks, Maiko. Yeah. I've peppered my rant throughout this episode.

El Havo, anything else you want to, anybody you want to take down? I've laid a secret message in the contents of the podcast. Yeah. If you play the podcast in reverse, you'll hear my rant. John Lennon is dead. Nobody knew.

No spoilers. That's your go-to conspiracy fact. John Lennon is dead. It's not even a conspiracy fact so much as it is a real fact. It's real information. Wait, wasn't that like an actual thing? Like you play like the Sgt. Pepper backwards and that's what it says? And it says the date of his death or something?

It might be, yeah. It's John Lennon, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But John Lennon- No, it says John Lennon is dead. Mayako. I'm going to put Jarvis Johnson is dead in reverse in this episode. And then sometime after the point I'm dead, it'll be true.

Ooh, very Halloween-y. Ooh, spooky. On a very spooky episode of Sad Boys. We're talking about race. The scariest topic of them all. What's scarier than racial tension? Ooh, I do have a question though yes since we've talked about like okay like we've had bad experiences of people asking us like okay but

what are you what what do you think is like the ideal like how would you like if someone asked that question in like a really like great way like a way that you would want to be asked what would that sound like interesting i think that if someone just straight up asked what is your racial background that's not as weirdly confrontational a question i think it's more like i'm trying to judge based on my bingo game that i have over here what you are what are you that's like and why i think that like what uh where are you really from is like a subversive version of the like what what are you question, which is like, I'm a human being. We are to be in this situation.

We must be peers in some context. Like, so the fact that you are now searching for our differences is like really off putting to me. But if you're just like, oh, hey, Jordan, like, what is your racial background? I don't that's not as off. But it's like it's more like, oh, no, let's talk about it. Like I had my 23 and me results at like we're all out at a bar and i was like passed them around and it like wasn't i wasn't trying to like hold it to my chest that i was who i am i was just like yeah i think a lot of uh historical and cultural context has put us in a position where race is a hot button topic

right the idea of race is just a hot topic oh you can't bring it up oh not at all but if you're in an environment that's fairly comfortable like this and where we've like established a certain level of candor you can talk about race the same way you talk about like favorite netflix originals like it's not it doesn't have to be something with weight and consequence it just so happens that it does 90 of the time no i think that the reason that it's so off-putting and it's so annoying is that it's devoid of actually caring about you as a person i think that like you can see through what people are trying to do in that moment and that is what's off-putting about it's like the fact that the intention we've had no conversations before and now you're like but

where are you really from and it's like we should point out that exact phrasing that this is not like a hyperbolic heightening of that phrasing that's a literal thing we've all heard yeah yes where are you from san diego yeah but but real we're really from yeah to quote horrible las vegas comedian magician mike hammer we were at a like a a magic show in las vegas my friend abhishek who is indian american uh or i guess he's first generation indian like he like like moved to america born and raised in india born and raised in india moved to america for college uh got asked by my camera we'll do a role play uh oh yeah you be my camera hey what's going on yeah yeah okay hello look at this this is a uh dove i think that's what magicians do wow that's so cool hey what's your name i'm abhishek and where are you from abhishek i'm from san francisco

not with that name you aren't and that's a. And that's a real conversation. That's a real conversation that happened. And it's like, yo, back the fuck up. Like what the actual hell is going on here? You know, one of my favorite things to do is sometimes is just like mess with people a little bit. And they're like, where are you from? And I'm like, I'm from San Diego. And they're like, where are you really from? Like, well, I was born in Massachusetts.

And I'm like, no, where are you really from? I'm from America. You heard that Midwestern tint in my voice and you caught me. I mean, my parents had a house in Carlsbad. That's what you're really trying to get at. Where am I coming from? I just went to the gym. I totally do that sometimes.

I'm like, oh, I just came from my house. Oh, that's perfect. Me, I'm from, oh, I just came from my house. Oh, that's perfect. That's me. I'm from Hyde Street. Yeah. Oh, that is gold. It's sometimes so fun, especially when you know that that person

is just doing it like ignorantly. Yeah, I feel like, you know, and it sucks that it's all about intent, but it is really like all about how, like it's all about the comfort of the person you're asking. It's like, I deserve to know this fact about your life. I don't care anything about you, but tell me everything.

Oh, what is it? Okay. Half white, half black. Goodbye forever. Nice try. But what is it really? Are you sure? Are you sure?

Are you sure it's not a quarter? I've checked. Give me that blood. Give me that blood. Give me that blood. Yo, give me that blood. So this has been the Sad Boys. It has. We have talked about a number of topics.

Who knows which of them will make it into the final episode? Who knows how much of this 19-hour recording will make it into the final episode? Yeah, we're clocking in at about 19 hours and 30 minutes. Maiko has to catch the last train to... The early morning train. The early morning train. The first train out. She's still got to clean up

and then come back for work. It's a weekday. It's a weeknight. That's true. But we still popped bottles. We still popped bottles. We still had fun. And we want to hear from you.

If anything we talked about in this episode, like lit up your brain and you want to share that experience, please reach out at sad boys pod. I'm going to turn on DMS so that you can message us in private if you need to. And in the spirit of, you know, the whole thing about sad boys is emotional sincerity.

I want to be ultra, ultra sincere that this little plug bit at the end, like, Hey, follow us, tweeted us. This is not like oh i hope we can get more followers more attention me and jarvis love talking to people

oh yeah we respond to everything we we will respond to every single message we get like we are at least at this point very very excited to read i'm still just responding to mayaka's youtube subscribers who she doesn't have the time to get to. I'm like, well, I'll put in a shift. But yeah, tweet at us, engage, chat with us. We want to hear your perspective. We want to hear your opinion, regardless of your background or your opinion. And for a actual plug, we have a review on iTunes. Yeah, you will have to do that for us to reply to the message, unfortunately.

We just don't respect people who haven't left us a one or two sentence five-star review on iTunes. Yeah, and we should point out, there's this weird, we've contacted Steve Jobs, he's back, but there's this weird bug on iTunes where if you give it a review lower than five stars, you do actually lose five years from your life.

And there's a weird bug also on iTunes where if you give us five stars, $50 million gets added to your bank so bizarre and it's right out of my pocket which is super weird jordan is negative six billion dollars yeah which is fine with me you know for the show i'll do anything but it's a lot of money micah do you have anything uh you want to plug sure yeah um you can check me out on my youtube channel where i talk about my life and sometimes tech stuff which has really just been a lot of tech stuff where do i find that my channel name is hello my yuko uh hello and then m-a-y-u-k-o i'm also that handle on twitter

instagram facebook all of the different places yeah let's try that i don't have that you can find me on youtube at jarvis johnson you can find me on twitter have that. You can find me on YouTube at Jarvis Johnson. You can find me on Twitter at Jarvis. You can find me on Instagram at Magic Jarvis. It's all in miscellaneous. And your aim? My aim is Magic Jarvis

except for the I is a one. The first I is a one. Yeah. I also haven't signed into AIM in 15 years. I am currently status away. Away for 15 years. And probably will be as it is written somewhere in this episode.

Remember to play this episode backwards and find my secret message. You can find me on Twitter if you look hard enough. Like I'm one of them. You've got to dig pretty deep, but I'm in there. You're not Jarvis. If you want to say. Yeah say yeah that's that'll you know uh process of elimination yeah uh he's not jarvis nor is he hello my you know nor am i sad we're getting closer three down there can't be that many twitter users i mean you've already got three out of the way no if you want to save time this is only for cheaters that don't want to look it was a life hack it's life hack jordan

adika j-o-r-d-a-n-a-d-i-k-a one word with an at symbol at the beginning if you click on it you'll see a tweet every four to five days yeah that's weirdly your entire twitter handle is all that but yeah come check me out i guess if you want same for, although I don't use that either. So, Maiko, we end the podcast with we love you and we're sorry. We'll give you a we love you. You follow up with a you're sorry or we're sorry. Are you okay doing that? Is that going to be too emotionally intense for you? Oh, I don't know if I can handle it, but I'll try.

Wow, you're already crying. That's amazing. Red tears. I'm getting ready for my movie debut out of YouTube. Finally ready to graduate. red tears i'm getting ready for my uh my movie debut out of youtube but if i may say since we're talking about youtube again i for both of you you have genuinely fantastic youtube channels oh this is a man that does not have a youtube channel therefore has the right opinion um i know seriously uh both jarvis's channel youtube.com Jarvis Johnson and hello my echo some of my

favorites I've watched every video that both of you have made both very insightful one of them has me in it on Jarvis's channel so you're gonna have to watch all of them to find in reverse

upside down it'll tell you whether or not John Lennon's gonna die it's a really old video Alright, let's do it We love you And we're sorry Yes

But yeah, feel free to edit whatever I say George Jarvis That's the first time I've done that And it's recorded That's embarrassing first time I've done that. And it's recorded. That's embarrassing. And we're showing this to the police.