Sad Boyz - College

Episode Date: April 8, 2018

Today on Sad Boyz we're talking about College! Jordan took a year off after high school and eventually ended up at film school because of a youtube video. Jarvis didn't think people like him applied to schools out of state, but ended up studied computer science away from home because of a podcast. We discuss the misconceptions we had about going to college, our experiences while there, and answer the age old question of whether or not you should go. Also in this episode, Jordan is accosted by a strange man on the street, Jarvis has an encyclopedic knowledge of Asher Roth's hit single "I Love College", and Jordan shares a very special announcement at the beginning of the show.

Hey everyone, I know normally we just like to jump straight into the fun parts of the episode, but I wanted to slow everything down a little bit today to talk about something that's been on everyone's mind. Wow. Do you mind if I take a little time to just knock this out? I don't want to get in the way of the recorder. No, please, yeah. We're not recording right now. Okay, great. Why are you putting the mic in front of me? Just to get comfortable? Yeah, just get comfortable. Get used to it. Okay. The levels seem to be moving when I talk it doesn't matter you're the you're the editor you know how it works yeah um so there's this thing that i wanted to express you know screw it turn the recording on the fans need to hear this all right all right it's on nothing changed thank you no i did a thing it's bluetooth oh thanks

yeah we need to talk about justin gate justin Gate. Justin Gate 2018. For any new listeners or folks that may not have remembered from our last episode, a great fan of the show, Hero, wrote in and referred to me during the Pen Pals message as Justin. So we have an audio submission today from Hero, and neither of us have heard it. Have heard any of it. I do want to say this is my favorite part of the show, and I am currently literally on the edge of my seat. Yeah, yeah. Let's go.

All right, here we go. Hey, Jarvis and Justin. Justin? Justin? And this kicked off an ongoing discussion about what my name is, whether or not it is Justin, whether or not it should be Justin. And I'm sick of the confusion. Obviously, I always do a funny name at the beginning, and I think that's been partially the reason why it's been a little confusing. And so I wanted to set the record straight by just diving straight in and saying my name is Jarvis.

Yeah. It's been something that we've really talked around a lot on the show you know with my name being Jarvis sure but it was really important to create a strong character that was distinct from Jarvis yes yeah which is that your name is Jarvis. Oh, so, no, that must have been the mics that screwed up. I said my name was Jordan. Anyway, I hope this clears everything else up. As I mentioned, my name is, in fact, Diva.

So from here on, let's make sure we're always using my correct name. Don't want any awkwardness. Right. And it's been a pleasure so far, Jordan. Are you Jordan? Which one? i think i have to go oh my god your nose is bleeding i it's just do you have a whiteboard oh yeah you need to work this out just you can just tell it to me your friend steve um i don't mind you know walking through it with you steve yeah steve is my main name that i said since the beginning welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis.

And I'm Jordan Justin. Um, agree to disagree. It's definitely one of them. All right, whatever you say, Steve. Today we're talking about college. Oh, like school? Yeah, like remember when you went to a place that was like not your home? Cool jail. Remember when you went to cool jail? It's basically cool party jail. I do remember my dorm room was behind bars.

Yeah. And you didn't really get educated at all. They said it was for security reasons. Yeah. I've never seen anybody do an 11-year course. What was that about? I always assumed they were keeping the dangerous people out the people that could stop your learning but i think i i think now having this conversation

they were keeping me in yes uh because you knew too much so jarvis you went to college correct that's true i did go to college i went to a four-year university by the name of georgia institute of technology congrats georgia as ge Tech for short. Oh, it's the same one. Yeah, that does make sense. Yeah, where I studied computer science. And you did that sort of on a whim. Yeah, kind of based on a podcast, to be completely frank. What a cool teaser trailer.

And Jordan, I presume you also went to college. I also presume that based on the data I've been able to dig up. It looks like I studied film at Falmouth University in the south of england in cornwall specifically well you woke up with tattoos on your body that told you that you went to falmouth yeah i have a bunch of tattoos on my bath with uh on my my bath and my back all you have is evidence but you have no actual recollection no recollection at all i can't remember what which name is actually mine uh but based on the tattoos on my back it's mostly just coordinates and those coordinates led me to southern england what did you study i studied movies i went to movie school i went to making movie school

making an art uh i'm like addicted to saying movie school because i specifically remember it making us furious like the idea of i don't know why like movies colloquially is not like a degradated version of film right it's just another term yeah but for some reason though i had two teachers specifically that hated the term movie school didn't mind movie right didn't mind school but together no way that i think it's just like such a playful thing that they're like, no, my art is serious. But think of my degree. That's probably what they sounded like. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Do you want to do that accent? But think of my degree. That was creepily accurate. Wait, which one, Justin? Oh, God. We're melding. So we'll be getting into college, our experiences. The experiences of others such as Asher Roth, for example he loves college famous historian asher roth asher paul roth that's his

middle name and he likes drinking or does he love drinking um i've never heard him mention it in his music okay uh i make that joke for the life of me i can't remember one other line from the song i know that he loves drinking he loves college everything else well i don't know if listeners to the show know this but i have like a weirdly encyclopedic lyric knowledge yeah i would say it's really your only asset i would say so too but anyway the this the chorus of i love college by asher roth is that party last night was awfully crazy i wish we taped it i'd dance my ass off and had this one girl completely naked drink my beer and smoke my weed but my good friends is all i need pass out at three wake up at ten go out to eat then do it again man i love college yowza you know when you have a really good party and you wish you'd recorded it yeah so you could sit

back and just watch the party there's nothing what a fucking psychopath i had such a fun party last night, I wish to sit back and study it. Who had the most fun? Hey, Asher. Yeah. Are you coming out? No, I'm going to watch the party for 10 minutes. Will you film this one, too? I've got a whole videography team.

I need not attend. I simply watch. I need not attend. I am Asher Roth. Other fun lyrics are, I want to go to college for the rest of my life, sit Bankers Club and drink Miller Lite, I think. He wants to go to college.

Does he mean he wants to be a teacher? Asher Roth, fun fact, was a teacher. No. Yeah, I know a weird amount of stuff about Asher Roth. Divulge. I mean, follow-up episodes, everybody knows it's going to be about Asher Roth. No, I think I just got into,

he was on MySpace in a big way and had like some cool mixtapes where he would like he had like a really famous and internet famous uh amelie freestyle well he is the uh rap persona of tom from myspace yeah a lot of people don't know that it's true a lot of people don't know that you know when he's like that little picture of tom where he's looking coyly over his shoulder yeah in front of him because you can't see his hand is a mic and some lyrics i feel like asher roth uh is what would happen if um eminem woke up one day and was white he has white eminem he really is yeah he's like eminem with none of the culture all the conflict he's like he's he's of the culture. All the conflict. It's just that he's a second degree Eminem.

Eminem grew up in a culture of hip hop with a lot of the fathers of the genre. And Asheroth grew up with Eminem. Eminem validating himself is the fuel behind his art. Asheroth validated since day one, just hanging out. I enjoy college. I like drinking with my friends. One of the songs on Asheroth's debut album, Asleep at the Bread Aisle. I don't know why I know so much about Asheroth. It's called As I Am in the entire song. E.M. E.M. And the entire song is about the comparisons between him and eminem very nice which seems ridiculous in 2018 but in 2011 everyone was like well he is white that was before other white rappers were invented yeah it was like why like it's like why would the only thing that they have

in common is that eminem influenced him which eminem influenced everyone sure uh and and the color of his skin but like no one every time there's like a white rapper it's like is this the next eminem and we don't talk a lot about how fucked up that sort of like marketing is it does kind of limit the scope of rap i've been ranting a lot lately and you can tell me whether or not this actually sounds valid at all but i feel like hip-hop is still in this placement in the wider populace where implicitly a white person doing hip-hop is funny like yeah by itself that's funny because we wouldn't do this kind of music it's so weird and for ethnics like it's that's

like totally the vibe i get from that which is i think the main motivation behind like as much as i love them one of the jokes of like the original bc boys albums or the lonely island or something like that is like yeah what are you doing graphic that's crazy that was a lot of the core conceit in like a very self-aware way of uh Childish Gambino's early mixtapes where he exclusively rapped over indie rock I'm talking about I am just a rapper and I'm just a rapper too for you Childish Gambino heads out there um where it'll be like get it tightrope or like you know any of these other like indie hits from like the early 2000s and then like donald glover rapping over it and it feels wrong but also right and he would also be like i'm the only one who's rapping over indie stuff you know uh in his music

that's a hell of a niche you gotta find your space these days jarvis i once got a uber ride from a man in la who claimed to be the most popular indie musician on Pornhub. Which may be the case because I haven't checked. So we'll be talking about college in a bit but first Jordan. What up? How was your week? My week was pretty good. Just recovered from Justin Gate. Still trying to figure that one out. To clarify my name is Jarvis. Let's stop running around with all of this. You't have to keep saying it I think everyone has a clear idea of who's who and what their names are of course let me just shout it to the heavens my name is Jord Vance okay it's clear how could anybody mix that up yeah um but yeah my week was pretty good I

oh oh he's getting a notebook you know what that You know what that means. You're ruining the... It's all part of the illusion. Whenever... This is a signal to me that Drew doesn't remember the name of his segment that he does every week at this point. Yeah, it's just... He wrote a whole song for it so that he could remember the words.

And play that beat! Let me play the song. I don't want to do it again. Oh. It's Jordan's Bazaar Challenging And or Emotionally Strenuous Social Interaction of the Week It was probably pretty embarrassing So please don't make fun of him for it

Thanks That's right It's Jordan's Bizarre Challenging And or Emotionally Strenuous Social Interaction of the Week His eyes are moving from left to right Which tells me that he's reading But I'm not reading a book i'm just nervous just looking left to right like people are judging me it's gotten to the point where i get genuinely excited

when i have a challenging interaction like throughout the week something awkward will happen and i'll get that initial feeling of cringe and then yes content yes score that's that's pretty cool i think uh one goal of sad boys is is take all of our neuroses and anxieties and turn them into content. Yeah, bottle them up and sell them to- It changes. It flips the whole- To our stupid fans. It flips the whole conditioning of our brains on its head.

Yeah. Jarvis, what was it you were saying the other day about how much you hate the fans? Can you remind me? The fans? Yeah, you were saying you're so much smarter than them. It's kind of cold in here, so I'm not a big fan. Oh, that was it. Sorry.

It wasn't that specific thing you were saying about how the fans are less cool and you don't like them listening to the show. No, no. And they should tweet at you that they are insensitive about that. That was dumb. That was George Vance. This is definitely true. Yeah.

But it's my special segment. And the reason I bring it up this week is because I had an interaction that I tweeted about and frankly, it didn't get the kind of traction it deserved and so now you're so i'm dragging it over here to bog down this show with my need for attention all joy cope of our listeners this is well i haven't told joy about it so i thought this would be a good forum yeah no this is good this podcast only exists for jordan's mom this is an asynchronous phone call that i have with my mom every week yeah i mean what is the difference between a podcast and a phone call? It's exactly the same thing.

And every song is just a short podcast, as we've discussed in the past. We had a phone call the other day that lasted an hour, and that's the hidden episode of Sad Boys. It was really pleasant, yeah. It only exists in a Verizon cell tower somewhere. Yeah, and the NSA. Oh, yeah, no. Kenneth from the NSA, who tracks all of my phones, had a good chuckle.

Big fan of the pod. He did write in. Self-proclaimed emotional pervert. No shame about that. We didn't, like when we made a call out in our phone call for pen pal submissions, wasn't expecting Kenneth to hit us up. It is getting to the point, and I don't begrudge us for this. I think it's just like a natural part of this show becoming a more consistent element in our lifestyle.

We do it every week and we have done for a while and we talk about it offhandedly when we're at the office or whatever and as a result like sometimes we will have a hangout or we'll be having a drink or something and meet each other apart and be like oh we're missing out on content i think it's because we surprise ourselves that we like get along and have like a good like chemistry together yeah it doesn't make any sense right but also i'm like charismatic and cool and you're like a dork you know yeah i mean you didn't have to you know air out my dirty laundry on the show but there's no way to edit that out so i'm not enough of a dog to know how to edit yeah dang so um you had an awkward interaction jordan i did um so i was walking

down market street in san francisco uh Because that's how you get to my barber Okay You know, I just like to check in, wasn't going for a haircut Just want to make sure everything's going okay I thought it was like the Barbary Coast Yeah, sorry, it's how I head to the Barbary Coast So I was on my way to the Barbary Coast And on my way, I bumped into a man who was asking for some money

And I thought, hey, I have have change why not give him some change I gave him two bucks because I'm kind of a hero I guess would be the term that I would use well no we don't we don't use that word here it's been retired like a like a jersey that hangs in the rafters right or sad hero yeah of course sorry hero

I mean I'm happy with demigod or legend you be the judge but two dollars is you know not an insignificant amount of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And immediately afterwards, as I was walking away. We call you Two Buck Chuck because your name is Chuck and you gave him $2. And I like to buck. Knock if you buck, Chuck.

And as I'm walking away, the man begins walking with me. Oh. We're chatting. It's cool. I don't mind. Oh, it's like a chat. He doesn't have any luggage or anything, so he's just doing his thing. Uh-huh.

And then as we're walking along, the first thing he says to me is, hey, do you like Colin Kaepernick? Oh. And I go like, okay. Interesting premise. Yeah. Hell of a conversation. That's not where I was expecting that to go.

Yeah. That's what we like to call a closed question. It doesn't really allow for the conversation to grow. Yeah, not a lot of flexibility here. My one criticism of this man is that really I didn't get to express myself very much. Yeah, I mean like your answers are yes and no. And then the onus is back on him. So I think he could really do a better job as an interviewer.

That's my critical feedback for this man. I wish you could have been there and been as candid and kind as you are right now but as we're walking along uh he asked me if i like colin kapanek i of course immediately default to i am so nervous that he thinks i'm not into sports even though i am not like i would be cool it's like oh yeah sure from sports yes not that like a man who just asked you for money is now accosting you on the street that's the thing that's like an eight out of ten anxiety giver and people knowing that i don't know anything about sports is a nine like an 8.1 so i immediately just go like oh yeah sure he's from the ball game uh and then he immediately says like but that kneeling shit right whoa anti patriot anti-patriot was the time he kept using wow it's just because uh colin

kaepernick uh isn't a big fan of the new england patriots the football team sure he's an anti new england patriot yeah but no it's just a football thing colin kaepernick for uh uh unaware fans including myself until very recently or at least until you know news media made it i didn't watch the game or anything even though i do know about sports so don't even ask oh yeah um please i mean like not even like look there's there's so many sports maybe you could just say the name of a sport oh of any sport yeah just anyone easy i mean one of the main ones or yeah like i'm all no i just mean like really just whatever comes to mind sure uh there's the smash cup yeah is that one and they get you have to get 15 love inside the hole yeah that seems weird nothing but the bottom of the net right in the bottom of the whole net that'll lose the chains

that's the one right yeah that's um so yeah uh if anybody doesn't know colin kaepernick is he plays uh football american football and he's most famous recently for taking a knee during the national anthem and for this reason this man continued following me around and then began singing real quick though uh when colin kaepernick took the knee he was protesting police brutality and you know um people of color being treated unfairly by yes law enforcement colin kaepernick was a man of color currently is i assume unless something drastic happened yeah actually he's still a man of color he's not really a football player i too was a man of color. Currently is, I assume, unless something drastic happened. Yeah, actually, he's still a man of color. He's not really a football player anymore. I, too, am a man of color.

This man singing to me as I walk down the street is not a man of color. He is a white man. Oh. Professional white man. And the song he is singing is what he told me was his new favorite song called Take a Knee, My Ass. Wow. And he is singing the lyrics. The lyrics include the term uh kappa bitch at least

in his rendition yeah you know i actually remember reading an article about this isn't this like uh i don't want to shame a country artist so i'm not going to say the name of who came to mind yeah justin oh sorry that's me yeah yeah okay i thought it was by a famous countryman and it's uh it's by it's by one I've never heard of before. Okay. Neil McCoy. So Neil McCoy, a man nobody knows, apart from this one man I met on the street, wrote a song called Take a Knee My Ass.

And I don't believe the song includes the lyric, Kappa Bitch, but he was embezzling this man to give it a little bit more flavor. Oh, my God. It's just funny that the phrase, Take a Knee My Ass, actually sounds completely unrelated to— Take a Knee My flavor. Oh my God. It's just funny that the phrase take a knee my ass actually sounds completely unrelated. Take a knee my ass. Oh my God. It sounds like a friend of yours is an ass. Yeah.

Take a knee my ass. Or a weird request. Like take a knee and put it in my butt. Take a knee. Please place it here. Yeah. But yeah, that's the vibe I got from that man. Fortunately, I was able

To walk faster And kind of disengage From the conversation But I can't Even now I'm not crystal clear Whether he brought it up Just because he's obsessed

With the song Or he saw that I was brown And was like Oh I know something That brown people know about Colin Kaepernick right You enjoy his work

It's also pretty weird That he would choose A divisive Like Brave yeah Not only Is the question A bad question his work it's also pretty weird that he would choose a divisive thing like like brave yeah not only is the question a bad question objectively it is not a good way to start a conversation as kanye west would say that's a pretty bad way to start a conversation um but he's also chosen the topic that has the biggest potential to divide you two, the participants of the conversation. Honestly, I'm certainly thinking it wasn't organic and that he was leading it there the entire time.

And that maybe he just wanted to express that he liked the song. It was Neil McCoy himself. Yeah, never got the two bucks back either, which was a shame. Kind of contributed to a worldview I don't really align with, but too late. Young Jarvis. Yeah. You also had a week. Is that right?

That's right. You did do a week this week? I did have a week. I was going to say contrary to popular belief, but I said that on the last episode, so I'm trying not to become a robot. My week was, you know, I was saying earlier, I am the most energetic for how tired I am. Didn't get a lot of sleep last night. Didn't get a lot of sleep the night before that.

Have been working a ton. Still feeling pretty high energy actually yeah and how would you for the listener distinguish that energy from energy you know what i mean you're tired but you have energy mostly just like i could close my eyes and fall asleep for eight hours at any moment is it physical versus mental i think that's part of it high energy mentally but i kind of feel like i could crash and burn very easily within the course of this podcast so keep an eye out for that a glass cannon yeah i yeah i what oh my god he exploded there's goo everywhere that was was it. That was the gas cannon firing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my god. That phrase has always confused me because it typically means like

you're a glass cannon therefore you can go really aggressively but can be broken at any moment. Yeah. Whereas, I mean, no, the cannon's going to break the first time it does anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not a sustainable method. Right, right, right. This is a one-time shot. Yeah, I think to frame it in a way that doesn't just completely defeat the purpose it is a uh it is power at the cost of resilience or whatever like like a glass cannon is something that has will be able to shoot a cannonball and cause a lot of yeah like damage but it will also damage itself and it's like a sort of danger to itself you're effectively running on like nuclear power yeah it's really effective but you're generating so much tiredness and waste yeah how long do you think you can keep it up are you just going to crash hard today or i i would

like to so in all fairness i'm not that overexerted i think i need about you know three extra hours of sleep tonight and uh i i'm really excited about something and so i like don't want that but i think that come you know two hours from now i may be like you know what it's 9 p.m i really want to sleep and i'm just gonna do that what are you so jazzed up about oh just i i new episode of roseanne yeah so we uh recorded the beginning of this show um on my on my camera oh my god and it will be in my next YouTube video. But I just like a YouTube video came out of nothing today.

And I'm like really excited about that. That's great. Is it mostly vlog? Is it like? Yeah, it's mostly vlog. I think I'm going to go back to the day in the life format because I never did it earnestly.

I kind of did a joke one. And this one's more me as my normal comedic voice and not like a character uh so it's like me living my day but then like making jokes and like having you know all the hijinks that really do happen in my life like uh instead of the ones that are like more like office style and i'm michael scott and all my friends hate me like yeah like it's it's less that vibe yeah your friends do still hate you but it's like sincere yeah yeah now now they hate me and it's not

scripted but it's still very real yeah it's not scripted but more caustic i would say a lot more verbal about the ways that they hate you yeah and i'm also you know excited to promo sad boys in the youtube stuff because that's been going really well so do you hear that in the distance what was that i think it was a z oh Oh, no. Oh, my God. It's coming straight at the window. Oh, my God. It's dead. The window wasn't open. Oh, my God.

Oh. We killed the pen pal. What you listeners heard was an ADR insert of window glass breaking. Yes. There's no actual damage. This is all a ruse. We tricked you. The entirety of Sad Boys is a fucking game and it's scripted

from beginning to end wake up sheeple jordan's name is actually alex when it isn't justin he's a professional actor and and i'm a cat named diva oh my god it's all falling apart it's all falling apart we're all played by the same guy but we found a pen pal we sure did yet another pen pal which continues to be my favorite segment of the show yeah don't let that turn people off

from the rest of the show the rest of the show is also fine this is just like when it's good yeah you know like kids like you've always got to have your favorite right sure yeah you know

like members of your family uh pen pals is a segment where we hear from you the listener and we ask you to send in a message, either text or voice or even video. But, I mean, don't worry about that. Nobody's been brave enough. No one's been brave enough.

And you share with us your experience with Sad Boys. Maybe it's the topic of a previous episode. Maybe it's how the show makes you feel. Anything's fair game. Maybe it's just some random excerpt from the podcast that made you think about something and you can just send over a bunch of random words. We read every single one of them.

Yes, we do. We talk about every single one of them and every episode we read one of them. Who is our pen pal today? It's OG. OG? One of our day ones. One of our day ones.

Sarah Yin herself. Sarah Yin. The Lamkin herself. Former roommate of Jordan Copes. Longtime fan of the pod. And very communicative. Lover boy. The lamb fam is strong.

We are the lamb fam. We are the lamb fam. She's a fan of the pod. And also. She's fam of the boys. Sorry, she's fam of the boys. And she's also an emotional pervert. And we are lamb fam.

We are lamb fam. And so is everybody else yeah i i think that sad boys is a reciprocal thing right like you give us your fandom and then we give our fandom back yeah i think that that's one thing that's really special about our show i mean if you send us an audio recording we are basically listening to your podcast yeah it's true so far away and so and so then it becomes a podcast within a podcast now what i want to say before i jump into this message if you yourself are thinking about sending a sad boys, if it's just like crossing your mind right now,

if you want to send us a copy of our own show, I'll send you the script. If you want to write an episode, but if you yourself are thinking about sending in a pen pals to sad boys, and it's just like an abstract thought and you can't decide whether or not to do it but you have a rough idea do it right now yeah no hesitation write it down write down the idea set a reminder get it in here and we'll talk about it yeah because uh one congrats for doing a thing

two we're gonna read it we're gonna respond congrats for doing a thing would be another really good slogan for sad boys congrats for doing a thing like uh john maloney has this great bit like it's a miracle anyone does anything like do you know how hard it is to not do anything it's so easy to do nothing and it's always available oh you could do nothing 100 of the time yeah it's weird so uh so what does sarah lamb have for us sarah lamb says hey sad boys little lamb here currently listening to anime which was our previous episode and loving it and can definitely relate to jarvis's comment about how anime awakened my creativity whoa great job sarah lamb sarah lamb one after my own experience my first formal experience of anime was pokemon which we didn't talk about at all which is pretty nuts well so okay here's the thing pokemon was one of the shows that had an anime base but like was heavily edited in different markets to like kind

of fit the tropes of those of those markets like not heavily but like the marketing for pokemon and the fact that things don't always carry over episode to episode there's like this general arc yeah pokemon's pokemon's a weird one pokemon is a peculiar show in that it is effectively the closest thing to a cartoon that is anime yeah it's very western in its construction yeah which makes sense because it had a huge western audience even before the anime came out the game had enough of them yeah yeah because like the the game came first that's always worth knowing about pokemon uh but her first formal experience of anime was with pokemon i still vividly remember one morning when my older brother pulled my duvet off to wake me up inside so that we could... Dude, that song was playing on the way here.

Whoa. It really was. Did you save anyone? Save me. Pull my duvet off to wake me up so that we could watch the show together. That is so wholesome and makes me smile that's that feeling of like someone being really excited and waking you up to be like you have to be awake because the thing that we love is happening the thing that i can wake you up for and you're not pissed at me

and i say thank you it's a shared experience and it's now what is that for you now jordan like what is something where i can pull off your duvet covers and you're like where did you come from yeah the thing i'm so excited about the thing that i don't question how you got into my apartment yeah yeah i i flew through the open closed window um i think any time that we're hanging out before we go and like get a drink or we go to a party or something like that because that's always this this uh precious portion of time that's rarely longer than like 45 minutes where our energy is both high we're both curious about what's going to happen we're maybe having a drink there's just something kind of magical about it yeah it's very low stakes it's very open you don't even have to be that funny it's you know what it feels like it's like a low

stakes um like green room experience before you go on stage yeah we're geeing each other up we're jumping up and down yeah it's like we got this we got this the world we're gonna we're gonna do fine putting on some brockhampton shaking each other by the arm it's like because we know we we can give each other energy but then we go out into the world it's just gonna like drain all of our energy we run back inside tears streaming down our eyes now of course the game was released before the anime and so seeing the characters on screen, seeing the Pokemon, seeing the battles, it was amazing. Love heart. Yeah.

Sarah Lam, I agree. Yeah. I thoroughly agree. I actually remember getting, I was into the cards before the show and also before the anime. Yeah. And for whatever reason, the cards always appealed to me more than the original game because I just liked holding the art. I didn't like that I had to take breaks away from the art in the game where we would go back to original 16-bit.

And so I was jazzed up when it was like, oh, look, you can just look at a Pikachu. I mean, you're talking to the guy who printed out a bunch of photos of Dragon Ball Z characters and put them in a binder. How were you able to do that while also being, like, the coolest kid at your school? I don't understand. Yeah, it was a tough double life that I led.

You were somehow able to not succeed and were only a dork. Amazing. Wow, how'd you know? You know what I still want to know after this though, Jordan? Sarah Lamb, what kind of stuff were you creative about? What did you make? What did you do? Are you still doing it today?

Hit us back up. We got to know. What flicked the switch? Yeah. What kind of switch did it flick? Like we, this is the Sarah Lamb accountability corner corner the follow-up corner with sarah lamb if i remember correctly from what she used to tell me when we used to live together i believe it turned on her creativity in the sense that it made her start capturing animals and making them fight other people's animals

which seems odd that is like pita was not happy. But they were able to just focus on one girl in the Midwest of England, which is very kind of them. Public enemy number one. Lamb. So thank you, Sarah. You rock. For those who want to send us pen pals, hit us up on Twitter at sadboyspod. Hit us up on email at sadboyspod at gmail.com. We got open DMs.

We got open DMs. And we'll be talking about our experiences at college after the at gmail.com we got open dms we got open dms and we'll be talking about our experiences at college after the break boom welcome to the sad boys episode 4003 for the week of april 2083 i'm jarvis and i'm joined with a very special guest today. Hi there. It's Jordan from the year 2018. Hey, so happy to be here. Always wondered if the show would keep going. It turned out it did.

Thanks for time traveling me here. It's been so long since I've heard your voice, Jordan. Sorry, what's that? Not since your untimely death in late 2018. Sorry, I died in 2018. Do you have any questions about the future, young man? Yeah, I guess I want to know why I died in 2018. I'm sorry, that's all

the time we have. Podcasts are short now. Wait, but we could send somebody back. You have time travel. Remember to like us on iTunes and leave us a review on Twitter. Did somebody kill me? Is it Jarvis? And as we always say on the Sad Boys, we love you. Please don't let me die.

Boom! And we're back. Oh my God. Jesus, you could have warned me. Yeah, Jordan, how are you already not wearing clothes? Oh, gee, sorry. They fall off if I don't pay attention. But like, they just slip off.

Yeah, they're like on the floor and wet. Yeah. How are you so damp? It's so fast. So oily. What's worse to be moist or damp? I just like the idea that I leave you unattended for two minutes. You keep me dry.

And you become damp and your clothes slip off of your body. I always know when it's time for bed as I start secreting a thick oil. Gross. Oh my God, all the listeners are gone that was so fast can we lock up the phrase secreting a thick oil never to be used we need not lock up the phrase because we will be locked up when this episode gets released i'm imagining a sad boys poster that just says sad boys all block text all block text no links no the same weight it's like one of those motivational posters you can do it secrete a thick oily resin gross all right anyway today uh we're both being taken to jail and we're just like of course course, yes. Speaking of jail, college is in a way like brain jail. Yeah, as we established college as brain jail.

Brain jail. To get us started with college, I want to place us in our mindsets at the end of high school. Oh, okay, cool. Like, where were you mentally? Like, what was life like for a a 17 18 year old jordan is that when you go to college or is it 16 uh it's 18 okay yeah um we only traditionally an undergraduate is three years not four that's really the only distinction uh and also like the framing i don't know nearly enough about american education but i know that you don't really choose modules as much neither does

betsy devos which that's a politics joke politics god i hope she can keep her job after that line on this show wow do you think she'll be able to or is it gonna be secreting a thick oil which is to say defend herself online yeah it's a defense mechanism all mammals have it you aren't trying hard enough if you don't do it it's like going super saiyan i used to think i could go super saiyan as a kid i didn't talk about that in the last episode no i because nobody would be surprised yeah i used to like i used to grunt and and squeeze my face gosh and just like goku i would squeeze his face yeah i would and i would like make blood vessels like oh forehead and stuff i did the same thing yeah it was just like it was just from getting excited though there's that video of

that like little kid uh going super saiyan and it's just him who's screaming a lot so college is three years you're 18 you're deciding to go to movie school i'm 18 years young and i have decided categorically that i'm not going to university or at least i decided that between 17 18 and i've taken the last year off to uh work basically what was that decision like um not particularly conscious to be honest in college for me i hated school really hated it like uh to this day resent so much about how the institution uh defaults to point scoring over actual education oh yeah defaults to creating a hostile environment for anybody that doesn't fit a particular mold it's very by the numbers in that way it's honestly i think it is so damaging that it's become a meme and now nobody will actually do anything about it like yeah i

think school is in its essence fundamentally broken and i think a good teacher can solve for that i don't think it's like a lost cause but the system itself is so embedded into culture that it's kind of we can't strip it away so we just have to live with this like festering disease kind of nearby yeah it is this jagged thing that like has good stuff inside of it it's like a um it's like i offered you a cake but the pan that the cake is in is covered in razor blades and it's like be careful and i have to use my hands yeah and you have to use your mouth yeah and somebody dexterous enough like a really really good teacher of one of which is sarah lamb for example or if you're a

community of friends yeah you i mean you can make it something positive but in my particular case i was also you know the only kid of color for miles around and yeah it was just not a great experience for me so the idea of going to college where i would be beholden to the same things despite the fact that i now have all the availabilities available to you as an adult was crazy to me i was like i don't have to do this you were breaking free of a system that was not working for you. And you were like, why would I spend more time in one of these systems? Why would I elect to do that? And I think in retrospect, one of the main causes of that was that I just didn't really

have an understanding of the potential benefits. In my mind, it was synonymous with a problem. It was just, oh, school is bad and not being at school is good. Educating yourself outside of school in things you find interesting and compelling, that's how you learn. And school is this weird obligation like eating and sleeping.

It's just a thing we have to do for no reason. And that was due to my bad experience. I do think there's a ton of value to educating kids well and opening their mind up to the love of learning. And good colleges will do that for you, will reform your brain in that way. Yeah, and we'll get to my know my experience but i'm i'm still super fascinated uh so um you take a year off to work so what does that what does that look like what are you doing

are you working at a restaurant are you yeah uh so in the uk you can drink at 18 so i'm working in a bar so i'm drinking on a course So I'm drinking constantly looking for a job, air quotes. Job is the name of a beer. Job is the name of a park I would go to with my beer. Oh, look, found one. My beer was my best friend. So I would, yeah, I was working at a bar

and I was also working on skills that I found interesting. So I was trying to teach myself filmmaking, for example, because my dream at the time was to be a like sketch comedy producer yeah in some sense either just from a production side point or a writer or something like that but i basically had come up with the hypothesis that because i did i'd educated myself in all the things that i'd found

interesting up to that point right that all i needed to do was facilitate myself financially so that i could just continue learning independently honestly not not a bad pretty good solution to be honest i mean like all things considered good good work now like compared to compare it to the experience that i did have at college there's a ton of value that we'll get into and there's a number of reasons i'm really really glad that i went but it being the only source to learn how to make movies it was not that that was not the thing i got out of going to film school so how did you go from i'm working at this bar i'm learning this stuff on the side to i'm going to thalmouth i'm going to movie school so uh movie school came up there is a number of tutors that are getting like a sting in the back

of their head every time we say that they're not even listening to the podcast but every time we say movie school they just go like oh yeah ah what movie school and film college oh my god they're dead you can't say the two of them together four tutors just died moving picture university they might like that actually it's kind of pretentious um but yeah so uh funnily enough it actually came about because So many of my friends around That time were all about to head off to university And I was coming up to the cap of application And I was like well Fuck it like I have

A fair amount of free time outside of my work right now Who's to say there's anything wrong with taking two weeks To put together a really solid application Requesting that a few of my favourite teachers write me Letters of recommendation Stuff like that and that's exactly what I did And then I applied to requesting that a few of my favorite teachers write me letters of recommendation stuff like that and that's exactly what i did and then i applied to uh i believe maybe only falmouth i think i applied to falmouth and like two other schools as safeties but falmouth was the one i

was interested in because i had many friends that came from there i knew that the the film studies course was really really solid right and i had a few friends that were moving down there unrelated to going to the college i was like well screw well, screw it. That's the one I'll go for. It's sunny. It's nice. Whatever. Yeah. Made the application, sent it off, got accepted, thoroughly surprised.

Jordan Cope did not have the greatest of grades, mainly because he didn't go to the tests. But how was Joy feeling? She was agnostic. She has the exact same view on school as I do. No, she's very religious. Oh, sorry. Yes. She was very agnostic. She has the exact same view on school as I do. No, she's very religious. Oh, sorry. Yes. She was very agnostic. She's a Satan worshiper, but outside of that, very agnostic when it comes to the school system. But agnostic when it comes to film. Yeah, when it comes to movie school,

she really doesn't have an opinion. But yeah, she was of the opinion that she also did not go to university and became a huge success regardless. She just worked hard. That was the solution for that. But I think what she spotted and one of the reasons I think she was somewhat encouraging was, hey, the main thing that you're lacking right now, living in this small town and trying to pursue these ideas are collaborators. I couldn't find people that were nearly as passionate as me

about the things that I was passionate about. Passionate around me, but like I was not big into agriculture. Yeah. And there was a very successful agriculture college in my area. So lots of people like that. Yeah. But I wanted this feeling of, man, America seems neat.

I want to go to a place that feels more like America. Is it college? That really was part of the process. The answer is it was America. And funnily enough, the reason I ended up actually falling in love with the idea of doing film, despite film not necessarily being my biggest interest at the time. I would say game design was probably closer. Right.

To this day, still is, but certainly at the time. Was because of Corridor Digital and Rocket Jump, the YouTube channels. Oh, wow. I, at the time, was just in love with everything they put out. Like, completely obsessed. Yeah. Actually, since then, I have had the fortune to meet Freddie, who heads up Rocket Jump.

And I didn't mention it at the time. I wonder if next time I see him, maybe I'll bring it up. Maybe it'll weird him out. But it is literally, I can name the sketches they put together that made me fall in love with the idea of creating films. Like hanging out with a group of friends,

wearing Heelys so you can get tracking shots and shit like that. Like all of those ideas. I used to build my own camera rigs when I still lived at home. And I was just like, I wasn't filming anything. I just love the idea that i could go out buy some pvc buy some superglue and make like a rig that's adorable so uh it starts just sort of aligned that's the film equivalent of you putting on your dad's suit yeah it doesn't fit yeah like oh i just want to make my own suitcase yeah i just want to go into the office

and then it's like you're seven i'm a boss baby i'm an oscar nominated boss baby i'm alec baldwin ironically also a boss baby but not a kid yeah he's just kind of bossy and babyish yeah yeah uh take that alec good luck still being an actor after that zing on this sorry that's our second baldwin burn of sad boys uh but yeah that'sing That's our second Baldwin burn of sad voice But yeah That was sort of the genesis of me falling in love with the idea Aligned with some career goals That I had or lifestyle goals

Also I just wanted to get out I wanted to Jordan Peele's get out And I like Stroud to this day And unfortunately Jordan Peele did eventually make that movie So you're going to have to find one a new name To a new Passion project it was honestly so embarrassing i do think there's a world where if i continued to pursue the film thing and get

out never came out i would make a very similar movie that's amazing like just premise wise it wouldn't be based in the same area with the same kind of background but it would be cool hippie liberals that are rich and want to touch my hair like that would be the premise of the movie still um but yeah that was the genesis of it. And once I went along, we'll jump into a little more, but it solved for a lot of my fears and a lot of my prejudices. Yeah.

Young Jarvis. Yes, yes. How did you fall in love with binary school? Binary school. That's the college of computing. What would be the movie school equivalent term that your teachers would hate? Telling computers what to do uh academy academy hogwarts for nerds hogwarts for nerds the computing playground i don't i don't fucking know man real quick it's interesting that you

mentioned that going to college wasn't like a thing that felt like a necessity to do sure like because for me it was in my peers it was like the only option it was like you you don't do this you're like a fucking deadbeat you know yeah i i think i was also or at least my town or at least my social circle was unique in that respect as well that's a very common uk thing for whatever reason i just didn't connect with it well the other thing though i i say that and then i also like will contradict myself and say that my peers in school were that way but then my own family uh does not have a lot of college people in it uh my sister uh who like i didn't really grow up with was the only person who had gone to college in my family so uh was your family encouraging the idea sure yeah they were encouraging they i was

like a kid that no one knew what to do with it was just like uh okay he's good at school what do we do um and so they were like college sure yeah go ahead that seems right yeah that's that's what they do yeah it's uh it's like when a uh when a vegetarian comes over to your place and you're like, do you drink beer? It's like beer doesn't have any meat in it. Okay. But you'll like this, right? You'll like it. I mean, I also have soap.

What kind of stuff are you into? You can sit, right? Yeah. That's a thing. I have chairs. Is that going gonna be okay um so what what got me into computing is i uh or even the concept of computer science i kind of went inside unseen but i had felt a little bit of the glorification of it not from silicon valley but because i listened to this

podcast called geek nights which is still around and has been around for you know 11 12 years and they did an episode on computer majors and they both are like technology professionals in new york one of them's an it professional the other one's a software engineer nerd wizards yeah yeah yeah nerd wizards and they started this the podcast when they were like 22 and like had just graduated college uh and now it's like now they're adults and it's like i listen to them and it's really fascinating to see how they've like how they've changed but they did this episode on computer majors and i uh heard it and i was like computer science that sounds cool and i tried to learn to code and it just it like was not happening well you could find it on a microwave is that not how you do it sorry are you currently using kitchen utensils to code?

No. Oh, yeah. I wouldn't do it. I use... One of the main devices. That's not a kitchen utensil. As a computer scientist, you must know what you use to code. So go ahead and say it.

Spoon. Hey, very wrong. And you lost your your job that's not a kitchen utensil oh sorry yes it is whoops uh i use a spatula that's the one yeah because i was like oh this seems cool this podcast seems cool i'm gonna i'm gonna try and study this thing maybe um so i started trying to learn to code i remember uh printing out documentation for the java programming language not a joke taking it to my history class in high school and reading it like in my history class going like uh i don't understand any of this stuff it was like literally like reading another language because and now thinking back the reason it didn't click with me is because a lot of uh

computing education is fucking backwards like they they're like it's as if you were like i want to cook right and then like the the like what do you do if you want to cook you make a simple dish right uh you'd be like hey i want to make a sandwich and it's like great do you know how to flambe and it's like oh what because uh the documentation was like this programming language in order to get started you kind of have to understand some like really high level concepts that no one you're learning one to program to these like esoteric like design patterns and things. And so I tried and failed a lot. And then also with my friend Russell. But I was like, you know, I'm I been a good self-studier from ground zero. That's changed, I think.

But that's a skill. I mean, it's a hard thing to accrue. Well, it was a very academic self-study, which was different than the self-study I was used to, which is like learn how to use Photoshop and sort of learn to use this tool as an extension of myself creatively. This was like so many degrees removed from that that i just couldn't like connect the dots it's also probably not as intuitively fun it was learning an instrument you start to get immediate gratification or like cooking again for example like oh i cooked this didn't taste as good cooked you the next time tasted a little better sitting there with documentation and feeling no

smarter after two hours is just the only yeah agreed. Agreed. The only thing that was was kind of a bridge with that is that on my TI 84 calculator, there is a programming language called TI basic and you can write programs in the calculator. And I learned that I learned how to write these like procedural like if this then do that type of programs. Wow. On my calculator and I'd write them in chemistry class and so like the first thing i wrote was like a yo mama joke generator like this is what we're talking about here yeah and uh and that is mostly what you do at our company yeah yeah i work now is just kind of glorified yo mama generators um and so when it came time, so this podcast is really important because when it came time to apply for school, I actually posted on the forum of this podcast. Oh, that's adorable.

Hey, I'm deciding between these schools. I want to study this thing. What should I do? And one of the guys who is a mod on that forum. So basically royalty. When you're a kid seeing a mod somewhere, you're like, wow. That's like being a poor kid

and seeing somebody that's a member on RuneScape. Oh my God. Seeing somebody with a dragon full helm. Game over. Yeah, so they were like, hey, I'm a student at Georgia Tech. I can answer any questions you want. And I was like, well, cool.

And people seem to be like a fan of Georgia Tech. And my friend Russell, who I mentioned a number of times in the podcast, was like, I visited Georgia Tech. I think you'd like it. And that was like good enough for me. I like actually didn't visit any schools before applying to them.

And I didn't visit Georgia Tech before I decided to go there. Dude, that's the prime move. Yeah. Don't waste time. Get those letters out. Well, so it was just like really funny because I didn't have the Tech before I decided to go there. Dude, that's the prime move. Yeah. Don't waste time. Get those letters out. Well, so it was just like really funny because I didn't have the means to go do this,

but like it's a sport, I feel, for a lot of my peers. I went to a high school that had like a magnet program and it was a mix of people from different backgrounds, but a lot of the people were from upper middle class backgrounds and were able to go across the country to like sure apply and like tour all these places it's like no i want to i want to see the place i want to feel it out you know it's like i was like how drop drop 800 for a round trip and that's nothing i was like i've never seen that much money in my life you know and uh so

i side unseen choose the major apply get in and decide to do it based on the internet and a podcast and a recommendation from a friend. So I had a second order tour. And a dumb friend. I mean, we've talked about that on the show before, but Russell? Yeah. You really want to trust Russell with that? Yeah. I know he's listening.

Yeah. He's a bad one. He's a bad boy. Now that we have a relatively clear understanding of where we were at prior to college. Yeah. How close would you say that your, we'll say first year, matched up with your expectations? Ooh, that's a good question. So.

And what were your expectations? You hadn't been. You didn't like. Yeah, I don't know. Like I, my expectations were kind of, I didn't even think I could just place this. I forgot to put this in my YouTube video, but because I made a YouTube video yesterday. But, you know, a week a week ago, probably when you're hearing this illusion of the theater. Yeah. About college misconceptions.

And when I decided to go out of state to Georgia Tech, I didn't think that someone like me could go to an out-of-state university. Right. That wasn't on my radar. The way that I decided to apply was this random guy named Will said, hey, where are you applying to college? And I was like, the University of Florida. And he was like, you should apply out of state also. And I was like, really? And he was like, yeah.

And I was like, okay, I like yeah and i was like okay i will like that was the end of the conversation and then will walked into a mist and disappeared yeah yeah he doesn't actually exist he's a figment of my uh jarred vance um and so my expectations were kind of like based on the media um i was like i'm gonna study this thing i suppose um it's something i want to get good at actually my first year i um i was afraid of failing because i was like i was uh i got a scholarship that paid for my school but i had to keep a certain gpa uh and my first year i was taking chemistry which i was like terrified i was like my worst subject in high school. And social chemistry. Yeah, yeah, social chemistry.

Ability to engage with other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm great at isotopes and periodic table. But making friends talking about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not so much. And I took the minimum amount of hours. I was taking chemistry, like the CS intro class.

Like, you've never heard of a computer science before here's how to program um and like some english class or something and uh i actually fell below the threshold to keep my scholarship my first semester what happened they gave me a second chance and then i graduated with highest honors after that good gamble so it was like yeah yeah they gave me a second chance and I was like, I got this one, y'all. I owe you. But I think that it was like just not knowing

how to manage my time. Sure. You know, and then eventually like learning. Went into college with this like goal of becoming a good programmer and becoming, whatever that meant. I didn't really know like what you did, but I was like, I knew this will give me the tools to do it and I ended up like getting so deep into that that I kind of

treated college a little bit like a trade school I actually took all of my core curriculum CS classes like by the end of my second year of college so I was because I was like I need a job I need to get a job I need an internship I know that's the thing I need. And I didn't know that that's what I needed when I was a freshman. But like the fucking first week I was there, it was like Microsoft's here. Google's here. This is a thing. You can work at these website companies. Like these are places on the internet, not in real life.

Right. And once I learned that and once like sort of the game had been established of like, oh, OK. So like we're all competing for like these these things these resources and we want these jobs like i i was sort of like seeing it as like a meta game almost like how do i set myself up for success because i just want to be successful i it's fight or flight like i'm just fucking like this kid who if i get a bad grade i might not be able to pay for school anymore yeah like it was just very like, the stakes were clear. The stakes were really high. I couldn't afford not to do well, literally. And so the way I solved for that in my brain was like, just take every CS class and then you will be able to get an internship because there's, you know, it's like,

oh, we need people with like so-and-so experience or whatever have you taken this class my first semester i talked to a guy a recruiter at facebook who i actually know is a very very rich man um because he led the photos team and has since retired to become a professional poker player uh it's like a yeah i mean that's the traditional career path yeah i remember uh i remember talking to him at the career fair and going i'd like one job at facebook please uh the year is you know 2010 where do you keep them yeah may i have one so i think you've got some back there it's swag that you're giving out and he's like oh have you taken data structures and algorithms and i was like no and he's like sorry he was like and you were like have i taken data well i mean have you seen my fork uh let me name for you some of my favorite daters uh there's uh spatula and turmeric why are you walking away yeah and i that moment was like never this will never happen to me again and so it was

like i took every class most of your successes are driven by revenge i will never let you down again a little bit i took senior design as a sophomore in college. So I was like, I just compressed all of it into the first two years of school. And the rest was kind of fun times in general ed stuff. Nice. It was weird. That's one of the things I'm very envious of. And I think I would have gelled with better is the customization of American schooling.

Yeah. UK is a lot more prescriptive. You sign up for a course. Yeah. And you are in some cases welcome to take alternative courses, but they're not going to contribute to your success for that course. Right, right, right. You can audit shit, but it's not going to give you points. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I had. I think that the exploratory aspect of college is like very important, actually. And there's so many classes that I took. I wouldn't recommend the path that I that I took it's just the one i took if if i had the world view that i have now i would be a little bit more in the oh this isn't a big deal like it doesn't really matter camp um but having the opportunity to take classes on architecture and um. I took Spanish and Japanese in college. Like I just, I've been all over the map, literally and figuratively, I guess. And that was a really valuable part of that experience.

But in terms of your original question, which is, you know, what was I expecting? It was like high school again, except for I could get out of the shadow of my former self. Sure. Oh, I think that's a huge part of it. And if anything, I'd say that that's the part that lives up almost unanimously. Like some people screw it up and I certainly did.

I let like old traits of mine that I was hoping to leave behind seat back in. But it is a blank slate. Like you do really get to mix it up. Especially because like one thing is that I like didn't go to school with any of my friends um to high school from high school yeah i didn't go to front i didn't go to school with any of the friends from high school and so um what i what that allowed me to do is be this completely new person and it's scary because you're like oh no i won't know anyone but the power is that no one knows me. So it's like the other side of that coin.

Yeah. Jordan, what were your expectations? What were your first, what did you expect out of college? Well, I'm going to place myself in the position of the listener and say to myself, okay, so Jordan hated traditional schooling because it was too prescriptive. He wanted more flexibility and and more consequences more potential consequences and he wanted to only be studying something he was excited about this is the part in the grand narrative where he suddenly discovers that college was what he wanted all along and everything goes great right right no

hated it oh college also damn um well same reason? Similar reasons. Oddly enough, it took until I started working full time for me to figure out what the source of this was. And it was mainly boredom. I was very, very easily bored. Now, one thing I should say is I did not hate the time I was at college. I met many of my greatest friends there, including our good friend, Sarah Lamb. Yes. I had like so many perspective shifts in such a small amount of time that I would say it's one of the most valuable decisions I'd ever made. In no world would I say to myself in the past, don't go to college. Right. One of the most valuable things I've ever done is the main reason I'm able to work here now.

Yes. Also, if you do plan on emigrating, having a degree makes it a hell of a lot easier. Yeah, that's absolutely true. By the end of my college time, that was the main motivation. I was working part-time for our company in my last year and I was like, well, I've got to get the degree because I want to go over there. But yeah, for me, college let me down in the sense that it was not a solution to the problems I was having. I think what I had done, despite still holding firmly to my criticisms of the schooling system,

I think what I'd done is attributed a lot of my criticisms as, or like attributed a lot of my negative experiences to the fault of the school system and not just incompatibility. Like the thing I didn't like about the school system, aside from the things I've mentioned earlier, was just that I never felt challenged. And I don't want to phrase that in a sense

that I was too smart to be there. I meant that the consequences always felt so fuzzy like quite often we would be learning only to pass a test not to get smarter oh yeah that's one of my biggest pet peeves I just I remember distinctly in uh one of my last years possibly my last year of high school I was in a psychology class and psychology was by far my favorite class when I started so it was fascinating I really like the teacher and i really like the format about a third into this course into this this psychology module that was suddenly revealed that the rest of the course would just be studying for questions that were statistically likely to come up on the test oh and i felt like jumping out of the fucking window yeah no explanation of

the logic behind any of these things not even that or like a cursory logic like a reference maybe watch like half an episode of house and they're like this is how alien brain works and like okay i mean i like house but is that really all we're gonna get that's a real thing that happened by the way and then they would just go okay memorize these names because you're gonna cite them and memorize these quotes because that's the thing you have to quote oh my god not why or from what book it's from or from what purpose that was just that was the uh epitome of there is what i don't like there is a degree of structure that is very like so your your qualm is like a very real one i think that you can structure courses to be about why you're learning i think i i had the, the good fortune of having a lot of courses

that were like that. But no matter what, because things have to, at the end of the day, translate to this like grade scale. Yeah. There is this inevitable point in like the first day of a class when it's like, and if you'll turn to the syllabus,

you can see that the year is divided into fourths. Each of those four things will have a quest associated with it. You will find 25 rupees taped to the back of your – You require X amount of XP to get a degree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like you can go – you can either show up for tests one, and three two and four yeah or just take the final after which it will count for 100 of your grade with a modifier on your attendance score and it's like how what but the reason i mean with all that in mind though the reason i still loved college as

opposed to high school was that despite the fact that that was all in place and that you could just do the bare minimum to skate by because there weren't really any major consequences my main motivation for going to college and the reason that i think i found it so valuable was because it did put me in a position full of collaborators and it did put me in a position to meet people that weren't like the people i grew up around and it put me in a position to challenge myself and to improve my health and to ask questions of myself that were previously comfortable i learned skills that i was formerly dependent on my mom for providing it's it's a really great training wheels version of adulthood that I'm glad that I got out of the way. I don't want it to sound as though I'm bashing college

as an institution. What I'm really bashing is my assumption that it would solve for all of the introspection required to grow. And that introspection in my case happened mainly in my last year and in my first year of working. Yeah. I think that the lie about college is that college itself is the thing when in reality it's like, hey, after you leave home, you're going to start going through a lot of transitions and you're going to ask a lot of big questions. And you're going to have going through a lot of transitions and you're going to ask a lot of big questions. And you're going to have to go to school also. And there's going to be other people who are going through that same thing. And that's the whole point is that exposure to – it's the shared experience and it's the fact that you're figuring out the answers

to life's big problems for you while, you know, a thousand other people are also doing that. Yeah. And I think that's very valuable. I think so, too, because like when you a lot of people are like sort of poo poo the idea of college and going to it at all. But that requires a very specific type of person because like otherwise you can become very isolated. Like or at least at least that was my fear for myself like i'm like how am i gonna meet people i'm not that good at that sure like social chemistry like when you become when you're 18 and you just go from like high school to like the real

world the only friends you can meet are co-workers it's like you can't and then everyone else is like already at some you never meet someone who's exactly at the point in life that you are so so it's like all right now i gotta go home and feed i was gonna say feed the kids which is a thing i guess they have a bowl yeah shared bowl and um and then you're like oh well you've got to feed the kids i don't have a life yet i haven't like built anything for myself my wife is pregnant so i'm kind of there but not like in the same way like a lot of that misalignment is really just the source of people being unable to relate to one another

yeah because a lot of people like clear frames of reference whereas you can relate to people like tangentially if you really try totally but that's what's nice about college is that you are placing and to some extent school also although there are elements of the school system that make this actually more challenging than needs to be but one of the nice things about college is it basically says, hey, you all have this kind of easy job. It's like there's hard elements to it, but it's not that hard. Like, you don't have to do stuff every day. If you think about, like, if I compare the difficulty of, like, my current job with, like, the difficulty of college. Oh, it's comical.

It's because college has these clear answers there's like right answers to everything and you get feedback structured like feedback in the form of like oh you got you got the good grade you got points on how good a human you literally didn't matter how you got there yeah it's like you could you could you could be the person who just learned the test by staying in uh office hours and talking to the professor and not understanding any of the material or you could be the person who intuits it and doesn't have to study uh yeah or you could be the person that never read any of the assigned books and instead would just google inside of uh journalistic search engines for quotes relevant to their topic and then they

would copy and paste them directly into their article into their paper rather and then uh write around the quote as if they had done the research like theoretically yeah just theoretically yeah yeah you could do that shouldn't obviously and like you'll get a good score and there's really no reason not to do it yeah i mean like you shouldn't i mean like yeah like one thing that you know i would never do but like would work in theory is to um you know simply go to a wikipedia article yeah but the thing is you can't use wikipedia but wikipedia sources are listed so you just like can source the same sources of wikipedia and then come to some of the same conclusions and as long as you aren't yeah you it's not plagiarism if you're uh describing facts with different words and i mean you you could even get to the point where you're effectively rewriting the exact phrasing of the wikipedia article with small

changes in how it's presented theoretically theoretically it would get you a passing grade or even an outstanding grade sure maybe with highest with highest honors. Maybe with highest honors. Maybe it's the entire basis of your entire degree. And us, we would, of course, wouldn't do that. Uh,

we've read all of the main books. Yeah. All the main ones. Like, uh, the Bible. Yeah. And,

uh, the, what goes around comes around. Yeah. That's McCarthy. I think. Yeah. There's,

uh, you know, Plato. And did I say the Bible? No, no, no. Bible two is. Did I say the Bible? No. Bible 2 is there as well. Bible 2. Electric Bible.

Next Testament on the left. Three X's. Next Testament. That's the third one. The Radical Testament. The Radical Testament. But yeah, in conclusion. College exists.

Exists, yeah. What advice would you give for someone who is about to go into college? Wow. Okay. I'm going to back up one step, and I'm going to give some advice first to somebody that's undecided. Okay. And I'm not going to tell them what to do. i'm really gonna just like reframe the value assessment because i think in my case i made a lot of assumptions about what college would do for me as opposed to what framing college

would give me to grow right and that's really what it is it's just a bunch of scaffolding yeah it is just a bunch of so the key is like a rough structure for you to work in you kind of have a job and the thing you can go and do every day, but the degree to which you engage with it is optional and like a job. And it is excellent adult training wheels. And for that reason, I would encourage anybody that is financially comfortable. And I should mention, I was not in a good financial position when I went to college. It is feasible. It's hard. And I don't know what the funding methods are like. In the UK, you got a loan, basically.

You can get multiple types of loans that have subsidies from the government. And you can do work-study programs. And you can apply for scholarships, grants, all kinds of financial aid. So if doing so is feasible for you and this is a decision as opposed to just a dilemma, like if this is a thing that opposed to just a dilemma like if this is a thing that you could or couldn't do and you can't decide don't value it based on what the college can do for you instead instead judge it on the basis that it will be a place for you to grow and make decisions at no point is the college going to make you grow or give you the opportunity to make decisions and develop this is just framework it's a framework and if you're willing to dive into a framework and get a little weird that's fine also if you're

interested in developing an understanding of a particular art or you're looking at an art school don't go there exclusively for the education don't get me wrong it's a really great place as a forum like it's a really good place to discuss ideas and to uh like reflexively debate right not the best source to learn the thing to be telling the truth with you like yeah the internet as much of a cliche as this is it's a fucking incredible resource yeah and everything that i know about film i learned online right the things that i thought about film that were then corrected are things that i learned in classes yeah it's it's not a great new source of information but especially when it comes to art because so much of it's interpretive yeah yeah but if you feel really passionate about the course you want to take

and it's financially feasible consider more than just the degree consider that it will be a scaffolding for you to develop consider that you will meet people that you both love and hate there and that's going to help you become more of a human yeah yeah yeah i think it's also like really good to think about in terms of like your your place and opportunities in the world, like, the country that you live in or where you want to be. Like, if you need a degree to immigrate to another country, like the States, like, that's a strategic reason to get a degree. In the United States, like, it is just way easier to get interviews if you have a relevant like bachelor's yeah uh or you know masters or whatever um and that is not that is valuable unfortunately you know what i mean um like you need this sort of armor to get through this boss door like you can like a lot

of people can do it without it but it's like kind of like a trick and you have to like clip through the wall sure you know what i mean and uh and don't be ashamed if you do require the armor and it's like if you want to put on the armor and walk straight through the door that's fine sure like that's a perfectly uh okay thing but kind of know what like why i i guess just knowing like the options is is a is a really good thing there and if alternatively you want to start a comedy and culture podcast with some very bizarre analogies that's also an option right yeah yeah you can do that i mean not that we would if we can start one and only 50 of us is cool wait we can start one yeah we should i'll talk to you about it later

but i'm thinking we should start a show called bad soys where we review different types of soy sauce oh i actually i love that idea there's a z in there but it's going to surprise you where oh wow it's a buzzfeed quiz it's buzzfeed with a surprise z number four will surprise you um but yeah to extend that to advice to people that are about to go to college and they're kind of jazzed up and excited, I can give some universal advice regardless of what your course is. Get really, really good at project planning. That's like boring, pragmatic advice.

But I learned to be good at project management in like the last three years. And it has changed every element of my life. When we planned this show, it was a tightly managed like project. We didn't just say, I'll come around and we'll figure something out no we like created docs we tracked things we made moves same goes for college i think back to my version of myself in college and the fucking the liquidity which with which i dealt with tasks just like oh i'll

just figure that out at some point i wrote nothing down yeah it was just i would remember i had an essay in a couple days i i uh i did the same thing i almost as like a point of pride was like i can keep it all in my head yeah because i think that that's something that anyone cares about yeah do yourself the favor and also this is not like a skill only for squares like every single human being should have this skill yeah and it's also really easy to get like you can spend a couple days learning this like for me uh i took a class on software project management and i didn't see the value in the class and i was like this is lame i don't like this class this all seems pointless blah blah. I just want to go into industry. And I did an internship and I was like, oh, fuck, that's the whole job.

And then I was like, y'all need to move this later into the progression. Because once a kid works at a job, they immediately see the value in this class. And now it's like one of my favorite classes. But it was a joke of a class to all. It's like I could like go into a student lounge and hear a bunch of like sophomores, like bitching and moaning about that class and be like, this is so dumb. It's like never gonna matter.

I know everything. And then you're just like, you just don't. It's just very hard. And it's going to impact other elements of your life as well. I mean, if what turns you off about it is, I don't want to be a project manager that doesn't matter at all like you could move into freelance podcasting and the skill you need is to track your time is to know when you should be editing is to know when you should release content like it's going to make every element of your life better including your leisure time yeah like playing video games with

your buddies is going to feel a hell of a lot better when you know for sure there's nothing you should be doing yeah i i don't buy into the whole like i'll feel it when i feel it like type of like even if you're an artist i i really like taking a project management approach to to creating yeah i think when i feel it when i feel it it's one of those things where sure that might be the case seems a bit convenient that that's also the easier thing to do yeah yeah like maybe you are just magic but also maybe you're lazy a little bit no no it's like um it's like i have to for my art hit the snooze button yeah oh dude i'm the kind of person that no joke for a very long time was convinced that i can only really

be effective when i'm right up close to the wire the i have to be giving the essay within 48 hours that's when i'm really able to write it's like no that's just the only data you have it's the only time you've done it so you think that's the only time you're to write. It's like, no, that's just the only data you have. It's the only time you've done it. So you think that's the only time you're good at it. Uh, Mr. Johansson. That's me.

How about you? That's me. Oh, he's got to go. Oh, I meant Johnson. Forget this. I don't want to.

Oh, actually I can't like this guy. Let's stick with this register. Um, that's uncomfortable. So my advice, I like the step back that you took Jordan. Um,

if you were considering going to college, college, think about what you want. If you don't know what you want, I actually recommend a college if you can afford it. Like if you were in a place of exploration and you don't actually know which direction to take that in, I think that college is a really good framework for that if you can afford it. It's going to be stimulating at the least. It's going to be stimulating and it's going to offer a lot of different like courses college in many ways could be like the buffet like you don't know what food you like so you went to a buffet to try a bunch of different food uh you know when you don't like the food you like you know when you're a recently awoken clone like what do i like i see the tattoo on my back says chow mein no it says uh it has a lat long um but but yeah maybe that's a weird metaphor but

the uh like if you don't know like hey i want to dig deep on film hey i want to dig deep on this thing um it but you hated the fact that high school was just five stale subjects that never changed that you couldn't experiment with like go to college do something exploratory you will probably like find yourself in that in that experience um but if you feel really confident about where you're going how you're going to meet people how you're going to build relationships and community, have a network that you can tap for the rest of your life, which is kind of a weird thing about college that is not talked about a lot.

The fact that you just know people who are now, you bought their stock early in terms of communicating with them. It's like, oh, he was kind of awkward at a party, but now he's the CEO of Facebook. So I'm just going to hit up Mark, whose number hasn't changed. And that's also legit. And also if you're struggling to choose a topic and you, let's say you know you want to go, you know you want that unique experience and that like reference point for the rest of your life. Right. But you don't know what to study.

The thing you're interested in is fine. Yeah. Like it does not have to be the most pragmatic solution ever. There are plenty of options for pivoting and the thing that will excite you the most and the thing that will ultimately educate you the most is pursuing a thing you love yeah you're looking for a thing not the thing like seriously just like try stuff that seems interesting to you until it's not interesting anymore and then switch and that's kind of what the real world is going to be like also yeah exactly so it's just like a little bit more structured in their grades but wish you the best hey that's college we summed it up you actually

might not need to go now because we've kind of taught you everything you're gonna learn yeah it's true it's true so and we can like kind of connect you to our you know rolodexes so yeah i mean uh summary points in conclusion. Text Mark Zuckerberg. That's actually it, actually. That would be the main one. Yeah. That's it. Yeah.

Main takeaway. All right. Well, we cracked the code. We busted it wide open. If you would like even more of this whole thing we call Sad Boys, Jarvis, where would you go? Well, you'd probably go to the place you found Sad Boys in the first place. But, and then look for more Sad Boys there. You know, if I'm just being pragmatic. If you want to talk to us on social media, though, you can find us at Sad Boys Pod on Twitter.

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