Sad Boyz - Comedians In Comedy Fest Getting Cancelled

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

Jarvis and Jordan discuss Jordan's adventure into spoon carving and the controversial Riyadh Comedy Festival. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sad Boyz Nightz #133 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠100+ bonus episodes on Patreon⁠��⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠✨find us everywhere✨⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 00:00:00 Elevated Humor 00:03:51 Shrek Discourse 00:06:58 Vertical Video Content 00:12:20 Can Jordan Carve a Wizard Staff? 00:16:00 Riyadh Comedy Festival 01:33:05 Sad Boyz Nightz 🎬 CREW 🎬 Hosted by Jarvis Johnson and Jordan Adika Produced & Edited by Jacob Skoda Produced by Anastasia Vigo Thumbnail design by @yungmcskrt Outro music by @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We didn't start the podcast It was always potting since the bed's been rotting Yeah Sorry guys What's up welcome to sad boys podcast about feelings and other things also I'm I'm Jordan this guy's cool Yeah man I kind of don't even finish talking messing it Yo I'm Adam 22 welcome to wigger podcast

That's that's what he says The wigger Um Yeah what's cracking dude Nothing's cracking except for my back Um Um, and my tummy, dude, I, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna remove all the grotesque details, but like, I got back from, I went to Magic on Atlanta. Do you want me to score this with some sound effects?

Sure. Hello, magic. Oh, okay. Yeah, but that was me. I went to Magic on Atlanta. Thanks to everybody who said hi, came out. We went to a lot of sad boys listeners there. And we've gotten to the point where people are telling me that they've been watching or listening for years.

And it is a incredible compliment, but it does make me aware of the passage of time. And I don't know how comfortable I have with that. The final show of saving private. Ryan where he turns from a young boy into an old man. No, literally. And when I got home, maybe the next day, I was, like, lying on my bed, and I had a big tummy grumble. And what followed was, like, the most, like, just gastrointestinely painful couple

of hours. Dude, it's the worst. Did you get got by some LAX sandwich or something? I actually don't think so. I don't know what happened. I think it's just that, like, maybe I took one too many fiber supplements or something. And it's just like, you know, when you. you like it like hurts and your tummy's like owie cut it out and then and then you're like how do i but then

but it's like the owie where like when you you you know uh exhaust your resources um your materials yeah yeah yeah uh you eject you hit the eject button um you like it feels immediately better like it was like one of those he means like shitting yeah i get it right um i heard somebody call The, uh, the Kansas City Chiefs player, Juju Smith Schuster, like, poopoo shit, shooter. I can't remember what it was. Do you do shit, pooper. It comes full circle. When you're, when you're a youth, that stuff hits so hard.

And then you have to create this, like, adult artifice when you're, like, 15 or older. And you're like, yeah, I'm not like, whatever. That's kind of funny. But, like, I'm actually into, like, keats. That's the shit that makes me laugh. I'm really humor than comedy. Huh? And then get to 25.

Yeah. I'm back. Well, it's, but the thing is, I'm a higher brow, which means lower brow. Like, it takes a special type of poop humor to make me laugh. And so that was a connoisseur. It was a poop pun, but it also kept going. Like, the whole thing was a poop pun. Working hard on a worthless bit is one of the funniest things.

And the thing is, it's like it was a painfully unfunny video. for the entire time. But when it hits? Except for that. It gooned you immediately. It was like, it was finding a needle in a, and I did what to me? Huh? It did not goon me.

No, I was saying something about a needle. How does that mean? It's like that video that Jordan Peterson shared that one time. Oh my God. My goat on that in that moment. He's such a loser. And sometimes I just, I owe him so much. So much of my making fun of a man online, I owe to the doc professor.

I mean, there's, there's, there's cathedral. everywhere with those with eyes to see a photo of water bottle it is an Evian Evian water bottle and then he writes a book like Frozen is making people be trons I'm worried about the trons from Frozen too too you hadn't been to Atlanta for a long time right I hadn't you were the kind of an OG I well yeah because I went to school there and so I hadn't been in a minute because when I worked in tech and I worked at like a big company we would go that it was it would be a recruiting stop and so you know when you go recruit you get people who are like alumni from the from that school to go and so i'd been since graduating

but probably after i left yelp i don't think i've really been back to atlanta save for maybe passing through here or there and it's all off no i mean i didn't get a chance to really really experience the city because i was like going going gone but the cool thing that was I like got to see some old college friends and randomly one of my friends

from high school is in Atlanta and was at MagicCon and I hadn't seen them in probably 18 years Were they also a nerd At the time They weren't a nerd

So I was like bro What happened? That's appropriation man You used to be cool as hell Hey you never stole any of my cards You went to school in Boston And now you're here dude Hey I'm playing

I play a plange okay It was kind of funny because I was like, hey, do you have my number? And he was like, is it still this? And I was like, yeah. Yeah, it is. And also, also, I just speaking of like people remembering, I think earlier we were talking about people remembering things about you that you did.

I was like, hey, do you remember being on an episode of the random podcast, a podcast that me had Russell had when we were 14? And he was like, no. And I was like, yeah, we watched Shrek the 3rd and we reviewed it on a podcast. Yes. What did you think of Justin Dibbley's performance in that movie? Loved it. Well, I was a big Justin Stan at the time, but that was before the World Tour got ruined.

They ruined it. Yeah. Arthur ruined the World Tour or whatever. We should, uh, have you ever watched the fourth movie? The fourth? Nah. Huge step up in quality from three. Really?

I would. Well, I thought three was perfect. I mean, so I thought it was the unsung hero of Shrek. I meant it was much worse if that's the true. There we go. And now I'm in. It's cool. It has a time travel for some reason.

I have a sucker for a time. It's like alternate universe, it's a wonderful life kind of thing. Okay. Because it's another one of the, like, that weird mission that for some reason, DreamWorks was like, you know what the kids loved about Shrek is anxiety about being middle-aged. It's having to-that-divorce is what they think about. And so it's like, I wish I didn't have kids. Oh, you wish I didn't have them.

I hate my children. Those movies are very bizarrely adult. Like a lot of the humor is sexual in nature. Like, more. Lord Farquod. You. Oh, well, that's Lord Fuckwad. Your energy is crazy.

And that's some lore between... But I'm saying if you go back now and watch those movies, it's like, why did they put this in a kid's... Well, that one was the beef between what Michael Eisner and it was a direct jab at Michael Eisner from Shrek producer Jeffrey Katzenberg. Allegedly. But then Jeffrey Katzenberg would go on to... to fund that vertical video app Quibi that somehow managed to fail at vertical video in a time when vertical video is about to be

the biggest thing in the world. They were like, what if, what do kids like, it's like a really long cutt it? Yeah. They won the thing there and it's fine, way too short. No one likes watching quick stuff in Quaking session. Well, there are, what's funny is that there is a, like, there are vertical short form dramas now that are making a killing just they're not super

popular in the states and they're not well they are on a special platform oh are they but um and there's paid elements to it's printing money hand of her fist like your real shorts and you're uh i'm forgetting the names of them but a lot of them are popular outside of the u.s i might make a video about this i know people have talked about it before but it's like the uh what's the difference between then and now uh way more understanding intolerance of multiple streaming services way more tolerance and interest and vertical anything uh content like atomized content communities instead of one shared platform like people are now comfortable dual wielding platforms in a way that they were not in that era it also is a very like top down versus bottom up approach

because like i think the short form like your ticot short form and even your narrative short form on these like like real short esk apps that are called like um the grandma's uh surprise baby you know like shoe dilemma the shoe dilemma from my father and uh those little title like an isa kai they are like bottom up right like they're not we have these cinema cameras we're going to use tv fancy like tv movie production stuff they are like what is the shoe string budget stuff that we can do and let's scale up from that. And I think that that is obviously the lower, lower risk, higher reward way where it's like Quibi kind of tried to install us into the future of short form.

Yes. And it just wasn't like we weren't ready for that. Plus it was like a paid subscription service. And I think the vibe to, it's like there's something to atmosphere a little bit, like ambiance of a platform like Vine at the time or like burgeoning TikTok. musically which felt a little and it wasn't but it felt a little rebellious like this isn't mainstream this is our content we're be we're ourselves fuck the mainstream and then a super high fidelity camera series feels boomer that feels old head in a way that like well it's what destroyed

them right is that they spent so much money making original high quality content right when and and essentially just used all that their money and bottomed out and then yes that content still exists out there so I wonder there's so much dead content or so much like lingering content the thing is I have to imagine that that content was shot you know like when you look at the original film and there's like stuff on the top and bottom like if you look at the uh if you get the original print yeah if you look at the harry potter vhs versus the DVD release the um DVD release just did anamorphic like by plopping the bar on there and you actually lose like information yeah uh you see like Hagrid's boom mic

yeah if you watch the four three version of harry potter you like there's just more stuff and there there's i don't know it's a it was a weird time because movies were released in 16 by 9 and then and then home releases were vhs and so like so i wonder if the quibby stuff was all shot in like 16 by 9 and there's like a way to release it widescreen well yeah because the idea was you can watch it vertical if you want or you can you can twist it you're interacting with it which is a very no it was because you could twist it and that was an insane element industry as a cell like okay wait so you're telling me the kids are watching tough vertical but the adults watching stuff horizontal like they were trying to invent the iPhone it's a pitch that you'd make in the tv show

Silicon Valley where you'd be like wow there's this new or like succession like the Elon Musk parallel character one of those scars guards that would be his platform because no one would use it in real life but it sounds okay in a movie i worked on a funny or die project um fucking six years ago or something and it was not for quibby but a lot of the producers working on this thing i was working on were also working on some quivy shows and they i can't who knows if it's still any aid i'm not going to say what they were paying just the actors for those shows but one comedian on one of those like little mini five minute at a time sitcom shows was making more for two days work or whatever than I would say is like the combined budget of all of the short form series we're now talking about yeah oh that's the other thing

because star power to them is well it's just it's it's it's old Hollywood they think so highly of star power when in reality like TikTok built builds its own stars you know what I mean and and that uh means that again it's bottom up instead of top down how are you how am i wait a minute i'm in my mind palace yeah i figured i'd stump him with such a hard-hitting journalistic question okay so i'm imagining i'm walking to my mind palace my mind palace is a derelict 1.5 room apartment in a urban district in like i know like greater london right and i'm walking around i open it i bump into the stand that my tv is on i'm like oops let me just push that to the side i see a little bit of dust gathering on all of the black furniture I bought because I'm only 20 and I don't realize

you're supposed to buy like various colors and that dust will gather easily. I reach over. I try and find the remote for my CRT so I can play melee. I find out that it takes A3, oh, like AAA batteries and I don't have any. Yeah. I sit down on my couch. It's too low and my bed frame is too high. I try and go to bed.

I realize that it's the past, so I don't take any kind of mental health medication, so I don't sleep and I get weird. Your mind palace never, it atrophied. it never, like, got any sort of, like, urban upgrades over time. I've tried to gentrify my mind palace, and I know it's not the most ethical thing, but I just want to fix the... My issue with my mind palace is that I'm already bad at direction, so I can't find my way around, let alone a virtual space. I can't find my way around a real space. I'm on public transport trying to get to my mind palace, and it's like, wait, this isn't the right stop.

Why are we going south? Yeah. Okay, entry my mind palace up in the cupboard. I am good. Oh, okay. I have That by the way is like what it sounds like When chat GPT is thinking

It's like I'm doing this I'm doing that Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah One plus one is three After all that work Yeah Yeah I'm good I have been on a Doing things streak

I love that for you I carved I went to a spoon carving class Over the weekend Katie was like There's a spoon carving class I went cool Have you ever done woodwork?

They said no. And I said no also. Wait. So you're carving like a wooden spoon? Yeah, I was whittling. Whoa. You do feel like you'd be like maybe it's the British in you, but whittling does kind of seem up your alley. I got to say there's like, I don't want to commit to it in case we kind of whiff, but myself and a friend, it gave me wit.

Myself and a friend of mine are talking about like for the next rent fare building an enormous. wizard staff and carving the actual staff because they have a woodworking like section That does sound like so much work And the more we talk about it We were talking about it to the guy doing the class And obviously he's incentivized to be like Yeah, pay $125 a month for the access to the wood job

And he was just like, bearing of mind He's incentivized to say we could do it And he goes, you probably can't do that Now that, at our current level, okay? Now to me, what I heard was Respect, in my actual mind, was, I don't think most people can do it. But you, the John Wick of the brain.

Right, but that's the thing. The Sun Su, I do, I do think that maybe that's what he tells you is like a reverse psychology sensei thing. And I think I'm tricking him. Right. And it's like, I'll show you and you hand over $1,000. It's too late. I've already pictured you as the beta meme and me as the chat face.

I'm not bad. Me and Peeps played a don't starve. Throwback to 2014. That is a throwback to 2014. And then we starved. so fast it is like pretty difficult not to starve it reminds me a little bit of uh how tough it is these in these streets you know what i'm saying am i right with this economy but hey when you're down and when you think you're about to give up and there's there's no hope love for you birch nuts um

jones you want to do a little bit of your um your type five on like the streets and like yes i do okay political stuff but uh i'm actually going to saudi arabia later to be paid i i i I can't use them. Dude, you're not really a politics guy. I'm not really a politics. I'm actually a free speech warrior. Yes. Sometimes.

Unless you're paying me enough money to not worry about that. You're a figure-based free speech warrior, I believe? I have scruples and morals until we're talking in the millions. Yes, I'm kind of like the Patreon subscriber account is pretty much proportional to how much I'm willing to say whatever people will pay me to say. Right. Right now. Oh, dude, I'm so opinionated.

I think... Who do we like? What's the opinion again? You think we should get rid of bedtime because mom's like really fucking, like she's authoritarian with that shit. What's going up, guys? Welcome back to the bad, the bastard hour. The fuck bastard comedy hour with me. Piovan Shane Gillis.

Mark Norman, we're all here and we're all doing. We're under the covers. Mom doesn't even know we're awake. You school drools. Can I say it? Seriously. School drools also girls drool and boys rule. And boys rule and we go to Mars to get more smarter.

And women go to Venus. Nope, that's... And they die. Because they can't breathe. They can't breathe. Anyway, thanks again for listening to the fucked joke, the twisted hour. Twisted, twisted humor boys. Can we just look at the list of comedians?

Oh, yeah, we should explain. So this initially came across my desk, my feed. This initially came across my desk and I thought it was a bit. I thought it was a joke. Because, like, people pointed out online, it sounds like a throwaway joke and a 30 rock gag. There is a Riyadh comedy festival that is hosted and paid for by the Saudi royal family. And their continued mission to like port over a lot of community industries, like having their own golfing tournament, a lot of their own athletic tournaments.

Yeah, I mean, tennis, they're everywhere, dude. They're buying up e-sports companies. They also just bought EA. Right. Yeah. Right. They're on a roll combo Yeah so they're they've got all this oil money and they and they're not afraid to use it

And um oh also you know there's um you know the killing of journalists originally enforced care system yeah you know like uh yeah like Jamal Khashoggi They tried to shut us down yet again We speak truth to power and then they say I'm going to turn off your power I'm going to keep your modem down for a little bit. Yeah. Luckily, I have a second internet. But that said, approval to the Saudi royals.

I take it all back, actually. I think it's super sick. They're epic guys, I would say, in this time. And I think the Riyadh Comedy Festival is awesome. And I think all of these people that compromise their principles to go, they have done nothing wrong. Yeah, let's look at this list of heroes. Wait, can we pull up the graphic? The Avengers.

Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, what is this? Tom Sigura, Sam Morrill, P. Davidson, yelling man. Oh, Andrew Santino and Bobby, the little guy, whatever he's going. But with their podcast images. I was going to say Bobby Lee's, Bobby Lee's cartoon depiction. Yeah, why did they put that in? I feel like Andrew Santino photo would be fine.

Bobby Lee is also famous. Aziz Ansari. Is Russell Peters in this list? He has to be. He is. He's in there at the bottom. That makes total sense. He's at and in everything that's ever happened.

Well, him and Kevin Hart. Fluffy. I have to say this looks way more pink, but it's like way more red in reality. It seems like a, it's like an optician's test. I'm seeing red because I'm so mad. Maz Jabrani. That slogan is such a whiff. What is the slogan?

More than 50 of the best comedians. More than. More than 50? To be confirmed. That's like more than 50 of the best comedians. from Jacob, could we get a from around the world

gathering. Like magic? That's the end of it? Gathering in Riyadh at Boulevard City. I didn't notice that. Why is the typeface like that? Why did they choose that? It's also hard to read.

More to come. It's like the worst flyer because, first of all, it looks like I made it for my bar comedy night. It looks like you made it to flashbang a stranger to blind them

why do they put more to come in like the just grilly things yeah why is Louis CK's photo look like he's being caught doing something well yeah it's from the night yeah my so Joe Per also said caught this ketchup and mustard

because it's way more red oh what's that British guy in the middle below Chris Tucker oh that's Jimmy Carr okay Jimmy Carr and he'll say anything really he'll say anything like um Dude, Bill Burr. You don't even notice how's trans people.

Are they girls? Or are they boys? Jimmy Carr and Jack Whitehall, I think. Yeah, that's a... Jack Whitehall's a little surprising. Well, yeah, it's like, I don't know these people, obviously. But I was surprised to see Bill Burr on there. I think, to be bad, overwhelmingly, I think a lot of people just do not understand why this would be a bad idea.

Right. And then, but then all the free speech, air quotes, free speech warriors, do should know it is interesting because like I don't ascribe to the like comedy comedians or truth tellers their modern day philosophers it's like because I do think that like

some of them are just goofy and that's the bit like I don't think of no offense to Gabriel Iglesias but I don't think of him as like a cerebral kind of social commentarian you know what I mean? Well like it's um most of the comedians that are like espouse

like wisdom or like challenging etc they are just insightful for a comedian it is they're saying normy things but you're expecting them to say a joke like well yeah but Bigli is like great but he's just doing like NPR

it's not some kind of like Barbigli is kind of evolved because Barbigli is started as a more traditional comic and he's evolved into more of like a storyteller and that's like a beat that I think he can, like, excel in. But it's not a lot of, like, Hardy Har-Harr joky jokes,

whereas, like, a Dimitri Martin or, like, an Anthony Juselnick is, like, a one-liner comedian. So, like, every one of them is, like, engineered for laughs. Which has then resulted in the actual most successful comedians in the world, being people that upload TikToks of them wearing huge sneakers and saying, like, so what do you do for a living? Gay! And then, like, whoa. Yeah, like, Kevin Hart is, like, the hardest working man in Hollywood, you know,

but to a fault where it's like there's not a there's not a job he won't take it is a little unflattering that they chose the shiniest photo of him available truly in history he looks like he's oiled up it looks like he's in a dark room with a single spotlight on his forehead that's wild yeah i just think it's like it's it's uh not all comedians are not all comedians are not all comedians no these are across the i mean like uh russell peters his whole bit is like doing accents isn't it It's like he can make fun of anybody, guys. Well, Russell Peters, he's like un-customized character-creator comedian. Because he's like the most popular comedian in the world. Yeah, exactly. But nobody talks about him here because he's touring. That's the... Yeah, but also, you know, another surprise for me was Hannibal.

Hannibal Burris, who, like, had... He's essentially the whole reason why Bill Cosby got taken down. Yeah, that's true. And it's, yeah, there's a lot of bummers. That's where I do want a kind of, like, we're in, not even a bubble, but we're definitely, like, in a community that saw this and intuitively had all exactly the same thought. It's like, well, this is kind of hypocritical for a lot of people. And also, what the hell are they doing here? Yeah.

But the truth is, is that basically every single person on this list has been insulated from information for their entire, since, like, they got, did one live show. Yeah. All they do is talk about, like, yeah, dude, the green room at the mothership, that's where stuff goes down. That's where the modern day philosophers are. And they do the podcast and they talk about UFC. It's very like self, self-important. Like, why would they ever, like, Jimmy Carr doesn't know. He probably thinks that Saudi Arabia is in Iraq.

Like, he's like, why would he know anything about that? And I'm not just forgiving him. You should know more, especially if you say yes to like, no, $2 million from a third party I'm not paying attention to. There's a lot of like smaller names on here, more like unknowns as well. if you scroll down to the bottom. But like the thing that so and a lot of people are defending their decisions by being like like they're they just need money or whatever. Like Andrea Jen, she's a local L.A. comedian.

I like her as a comedian was really upset to see her on here. And when people are like, well, she just needs the money. it's like no that's not good enough justification it's like i it's it's tricky because you don't want to like pocket watch and and and what have you but there there it does like being in the position to have the saudi royal uh entertainment fund or whatever like offer you a few hundred grand to do this is uh a privilege in it of itself like to be in that position but but at the same time, there's, I would feel a sense of responsibility to, I don't know, I, it's like, for me, it's like, okay, could I sleep at night?

But then at the same time, a lot of comedians make a lot of money from doing corporate gigs, and I'm sure that a lot of them don't think of this as any different. But it really just exposes how limited their worldview might be and how limited, you know, their perspective is, which is kind of funny considering the kind of know-it-all vibe you have to give as a comedian? That's the thing. I think, like, when it's insulated to going out and then doing a handful of five-minute spots around the city and then doing an hour special and then having a life

independent of those two things that you can then comment on, then you're only spending what, a few hours, maybe two hours a night, and then touring, but then at least still spending time by yourself being a person versus now being a comic and 40 to 60 hours a week, whether it's on a podcast, guesting on something else, doing your live shows, doing your hour,

touring, spending all your time in character as a funny informed intellectual, which you aren't, but you're in character as that. Right. Your brain probably starts to warp. And then there's like a Chris Tucker where he's just been so famous for so long.

Yeah. But like Mark Norman His bit is being, you know, he's, he's kind of a joke, set up. That's a joke, punchline, you know. But then he keeps, he has become insulated in the Rogan verse, and all of a sudden is like a wearing sunglasses on an episode talking about, like, I don't know if it's okay about this stuff, but I'm voting for him, you know, like it's. Ah, I didn't, I didn't get the, the DLC on Mark Norman. Yeah. To me, it's just like, so many of these people I've, like, lost touch with, uh, after I, uh, after I. stopped listening to comedians on podcasts.

Yes. Getting interviewed by other comedians on podcasts. I think I'm in a constant war with my YouTube shorts who goes like, so you like gaming, like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And you like UFC. I'm like, yeah, I don't get into that. It's like, racist? No, no, no, not a racist.

Like, oh, what about Joe Rogo? Not for me, but I, for some fucking reason, know everything about all these people. Atriac did a interview with Gavin Newsom, and I think a lot of people, would kind of let that be used by that situation but in his actual

like because he just went on his podcast basically the whole time Gavin Newsom is asking him like gaming questions and he's like so you know what's like Fortnite or whatever and then Brandon is like I know a guy from Stanford who like it doesn't know if he can get a job

when he graduates Gavin can we talk about the economy because it is like we talk about Overwatch it is very funny to like and he's almost like caught off guard. Like there's a point where he's like, so, you know, there's a good chance that you get the Democratic nomination.

So, and then like, and then Gavin's kind of like looking off camera, he's like, wait, or why are they blowing up my spot right now? And the truth is, in this case, the only purpose of this is that poster. Like, the shows don't really matter. Like, for the funding parties,

they're not making money out of this. They're spending way more than it would generate. but having this is essentially a bunch of people not necessarily all of them knowing they're doing this co-signing the uh standards of the Saudi royal family they're like saying the fact that they're going to this thing is an endorsement and the show itself doesn't matter this whole thing every penny is for the poster well it's like it's like one of those things where they do so much stuff to like diversify their portfolio and also um just build like brand build yeah it's like a legitimacy kind of purchase Zach Woods had a really good short on this I'm wondering if

we can watch that see to imagine if we were invited and accepted this and then we like completely pivoted and it turns out we did it for like five thousand well the thing is like you know for Kaysenat's Mafiathon. I'm sure we're all celebrating. It is the season. It's Mafiathon three. LeBron James just just just went in. I'm not like a faith guy, but I, you know, during the holidays I'll go. Kirk Franklin came on. Kirk Franklin is a gospel singer, musician who has like been around for my whole life.

And I listened to a lot in the car going to school in the morning, carpooling to school and stuff. and Kai Sinat told him, and this is to Kai's credit, I guess, Kai has had other controversies and other things that you could be critical of him about, but he tells Kirk Franklin, who's like the Jesus guy, that he turned down a $60 million, like, gambling deal. Yeah. And he's like, what?

Like, as if, like, all of your morals go out the window when the number's high enough. It's figure-based, yeah. And it's like, our lives would undoubtedly be. easier if we took the easy money but the money's easy for a reason yeah it's you know what i mean the it's we're operating at a different scale but there's like a one-to-one between how much a brand will offer us and how unethical the brand is yeah it scales and i don't even mean like one or two dollars here and there they will take multiples crazy ways up because it's like well they you know a gambling brand can afford to burn cash for exposure but b they know they know

that they need to pay some people off. They know that they need to crack the seal on some people's willingness if we're going to choose between like a food delivery service or a gambling life destroy or like cigarettes. It's a thing that like, you know,

when the going gets tough, because like, you know, it's not always sunshine and rainbows in my life. It does, you do go, oh man, if I were to compromise it would be so convenient. So it's funny when people like Hassan's just like grifting.

Right. If he was grifting, he'd grift to the right. Oh, I'd be so... Yeah, that's the thing. We would go Candace Owen moan. We'd be a two little, uh, little color guys, you can, you can kind of transparently see, you know, when someone's just kind of being paid off. It reminds me of the people, there's like the spectrum of people who like choose to tune

out the events of the world, you know, it's like, oh, I don't want to be reminded of, I don't know, I saw some account... in maybe gaming or something retweet something about the genocide that's happening in gaza and then one of their fans was like hey can you not put this on my feed i like follow you to like ignore stuff like this and it's like that is a type of person yes that really doesn't want to have to reckon with the gruesome realities of life and uh and some but still play call of duty yeah well i still want my treats well so i still want my treats i still want my treats i still want to feel good. One piece is in a political anime. Call of duty is in a political game. Not

interested. No one makes anything. No one has opinions when they make stuff. There's a spectrum between the type of person that just like is quote unquote apolitical. He doesn't want to think about things. And the person who is kind of almost nihilistic to the point of none of this matters. I'm just going to get paid as much money as possible because that's the because power and money is the only thing that matters in this life. And like actually you are. It's people that are too self-conscious to write things off and just be like, yeah, I'm just not really involved in that kind of world. Yeah. A too self-conscious about that because they want to seem informed, but also know that if they are ethical and act informed, they won't get the stuff that they want.

They want the cake and to eat. I definitely like, I definitely want to be informed. Like I'm nervous in any topic that I talk about of not being informed enough, you know, even if it's magic the gathering, right? Well, we couch a lot of what we say, maybe too much. Maybe. Yeah, I think that's fair. I'm saying this from a point of X and Y, you know. Yeah.

How did we get to this? I want to watch a Zach Woods clip, but there's also a David Cross, like David Cross posted something, criticizing comedians who went to this. So we're going to look at the comedian response, starting with Zach Woods, who I saw at the dog park one time. Guys, it's that special time of year. It's the Riyadh comedy festival. And all of your favorite comedians are performing at the place. pleasure of Turkey al-Shake, and he is the head of the entertainment authority over there, and he has so many people thrown in prison because they tweeted stuff he didn't like about

the soccer team or whatever, that there's a wing of a prison nicknamed after him where they hang people by their heels from the ceiling. Now, there's a lot of drips, kill joys and boebozoids, who are saying, oh, they shouldn't do comedy over there because it's whitewashing a regime that just in June killed a journalist and killed Jamal Khashoggi and played a big role in 9-11. Shut up. So, yeah, it's like it's punching up. It's kind of speaking truth to power.

We're explaining the joke again, but so it goes. And it's like, could it offend people? Sure. But if you want to do bad faith, anything satirical or sarcastic is very, you just take it at face value. Yeah, oppose law. You know, that actually isn't fair. Uh, so Atsko Okatska, who is Otsko Comedy, she is what was, um, invited to do this, uh, festival and posted the content restrictions, um, she turned it down.

She turned it down. She posted the money is coming straight from the crown prince who actively executes journalists, people with non-lethal drug offenses, bloggers, et cetera, without due process. A lot of the, you can't say anymore comedians are doing the festival, which is something that we'll, we'll get to. They had to adhere to censorship rules about the types of jokes that they can make. So it's a little bit of a hypocritical moment because it's always been, you know? Yes, yeah.

It's almost, it's like it's futile to point out hypocrisy now. It feels like it doesn't matter because there are so many hypocritical things down to like you're noticing people have issue with the term fascist now. I'm seeing the retort of like, can you even define fascism? Or can you define what a woman is? Like, well, that's what you go to being a pedant is the like ultimate, uh, unstoppable force. Yeah, it's like it feels like a white flag. It's like, it's like if you're doing that, then you, um, don't you think you should have used an Oxford comma there?

Like, it feels like you're nitpicking. It's the cutoff point in a real argument. If you're like having a real argument with someone and then they add hominem, they just start going like, well, you're fucking mean. You're dumb. And it's like, oh, so the conversation's over. Now it's just being, we're bullying. And before we get into this any further, I do have to say that America's on a strange path right now.

And if someone was doing comedy for Trump, I'd also be like, that's fucked up. No, but I, yeah, and it's like, and I guess what I want to get ahead of is, is the like, the very similarly easy, retortive America's bad yet you continue to participate in society. Yes. Oh, you criticize the Saudis. And yet, you like Biden. Nope. Well, hold on.

That's something else. You exist in America. But you bought a coffee this morning. So capitalism much? Nice try. Content restrictions. Artists shall not prepare or perform any material that may be considered to degrade, defame, or bring into public des repute, contempt, scandal, embarrassment, or ridicule.

The King of Saudi Arabia, including its leadership, public figures, culture, or people. Culture. The Saudi royal family, legal system. or why is that not doubling down on it like why is that ABC like A and B are both you could have just kept that in the same list the kingdom but also the royal family yeah yeah yeah legal system or government and any religion religious tradition religious figure or religious practice and it's like so not Saudi Arabia right so it's like do your American comedy in Saudi Arabia but do not address where you are do you want to just do I tell you what

uh here's save a little cash for the for the royals on this one just play their hours on a big screen just play because chain gillis i guess said no play shane gillis's netflix special at a theater in saudi arabia and you've kind of done it why bring them over oh that's right for the poster yeah kathy griffin coming in with the truth uh kathy griffin who's had her you know controversies in her own right um so anastasia Did you want to say something about Otsko's post? Well, I guess I just wanted to show what that there are lots of comedians that got this offer and turned it down. You can't say any, like, you know, Dave Chappelle even has kind of pivoted into this where it's like, okay, well, when the dollar is right, when there's actual power, like Dave Chappelle is spending time these days, like, and this is coming from someone who like grew up as a fan of Chappelle show.

and stuff and it's like these days he's spending his time kicking like trans people while they're down it's like there's no this is the unprompted this is just punching down it's just like just easy like like completely place of experience or interest or knowledge and who laughs who laughs at that because it's also half the time he's not even telling a joke right he's just saying a statement yeah that is really horrible which is like you know, we talked about Mike Barbigley, and it's like, Mike Robigley is oftentimes not telling a joke, he's just telling a story, but where does the, like, non-joke go? Is it contributing to a story or is it contributing to, like, kind of take, you know, a community that's

already been marginalized and continues to be marginalized and kicking them while they're down to, for whose benefit is my question. It's like, in the middle of like, I don't know, the next Avengers movie, they just like laugh at Syria or something. And you're like, wait, this isn't, why is this, this isn't related to anything. Why are you doing this? Yeah. So it's like, what is even, like, I'm sure we're going to see some leaked videos or something of these sets of them addressing some of the controversy.

And we'll talk, apparently Bill Burr defended the best. I'm curious to see what he says. bizarre. But, but one, first, let's look at David Cross, what David Cross said. David Cross, you know, of Mr. Show, of arrested development. Who honestly has done his own fair share of controversial things. but I think is more politically minded, like his comedy and stuff. And the fact is, like, I've been banging out week over week,

because it is just like, it's such a present conversation in the moment. And it just, it frustrates me how overcompelled people are to point to hypocrisy and flip-flopping as some kind of like essential moral failure as opposed to the things you believe and do. Yeah. Like, well, you said that we shouldn't have, um, statewide abortion available to all. But now you say you do. You're a bad person.

But we want that thing. Or it's like you you didn't think that gay people should be married. Because it's like you think about some of the stuff of positions that were publicly held by people like so in such recent history. And it's like, don't get into this. It's smug. It's point scoring in a way that is like just not practical. It's like actively harmful. Yeah.

But when we say, oh, X or Y person's had their show. of controversies. That, ultimately, they could have done anything. Like, they could have burned down an orphanage, and what they're now saying still holds complete validity. It's like North Korea threatens Israel over Gaza stuff, and people are like, is North Korea dark woke? It's like, no, it's still like an authoritarian regime.

It just, they say they are very erratic. Yeah, it's like, but, and I also think it's just not productive to try to disqualify anything that anyone's, says if you can find something disagreeable that they've ever said because you're then it's um uh what's the logical fallacy where you're uh you're trying to discredit the argument by the source of the argument appeal to authority or like appeal to source yeah well appeal to authority would be like you're in a high place but this is um i can't remember i don't i'm not a debate there's too many of them but it is like not valid to in my opinion to like

completely discard people's opinions because David Cross is someone who would is an elder statesman in comedy and I think maybe that's an appeal to authority but like it like I think has a valid opinion on this anyway

and is not incentivized like professionally to say this I would just say makes very good points in this very document we're looking at and we will read it but first I want to say he's also incentivized to just take money and shut up. Absolutely.

Like, that's the thing that's so, so interesting to me, is that people will, will with a straight face, act like they get so many social brownie points that it's worth these millions of dollars. And someone couldn't possibly be acting on their own, like, moral compass. Yeah, dude, I mean, like, he, if we're talking about, like, well, chase the bag out of necessity or whatever, I'm willing to bet that David Cross's arrested development residual checks, don't compete with Andrew Schultz's show called like the Wigar Hour,

whatever the fuck it is. You ever thought about thinking? Hmm, the free speech considerer. Yeah. Black people should get out of my way when I'm driving. Yeah. What do you think about that, Charlemagne?

Uh, I don't know. How much do I get for this? David Cross says, My thoughts in the Riyadh Comedy Festival. I've been asked for my opinion on the Riyadh Comedy Festival, and rather than answer the same question 23 times, I'll just put this out here. Oh, and I should prefer

with the fact that I was not offered the gig, but it should go without saying that there's not enough money for me to help these depraved, awful people put a, quote, fun face on their crimes against humanity. Here goes, what do you think I think? I'm disgusted, deeply disappointed in this whole gross thing that people I admire with unarguable talent would condone this totalitarian fiefdom for, what,

a fourth house, a boat, more sneakers? We can never again take seriously anything these comedians complain about unless it's complaining that we don't support enough torture and mass executions of journalists and LGBT peace activists here in the States, or that we don't terrorize enough Americans by flying planes into our buildings. I mean, that's it. You have a funny bit about how you don't like the Yankee candles or airport lounges. Okay, great. But your call with murder and or the public caning of women who were ready and by having the audacity to be wrong were guilty of, quote, engaging in adultery?

Got any bits on that? These are some of my heroes. Now look, some of you folks don't stand for anything so you don't have any credibility to lose, but my God, Dave and Louis and Bill and Jim, clearly you guys don't give a shit about what the rest of us think, but how can any of us take any of you seriously ever again? All of your pitching about cancel culture

and freedom of speech and all that, done. You don't get to talk about it ever again. By now, we've all seen the contract you have to sign. You had to sign. You're performing for literally the most of president. regime on earth they have slaves for fuck's sake which bookmark that for the tim dillon thing i don't understand how being rich can make someone such a we can i'm not going to say that but uh poor poor people poor people desperate to improve their or their families lives sure

but still not acceptable but i can understand the desperation to put food on the table but this i mean it's not like this is some commercial for a wireless service or a betting app See, like, even in the tier, like, because I wouldn't even tier wireless service embedding app together, right? But, but in his framing, it's so far. The range is so vast between them. This is truly the definition of blood money. You might as well do commercials for Lockheed Martin or Zyclan B, which is fair, right? Like, I would not want to advertise for any war contractors or war profiteers.

I don't want to kind of have ancillary profit. The problem is you can't, like, kind of detain. some of this stuff, like, um, like I don't invest in Lockheed Martin, but if, uh, there's an like, if there's some sort of ancillary effect that has on the economy and then I benefit by that by living in America. It's like, okay, well, you know, that's like, that's why I feel like it's different when you're kind of participating in society here versus going and traveling. Exactly. Yeah. And kind of becoming a, a, a mouthpiece, an advertising mouthpiece for, uh, for these atrocities.

It's just very disingenuous when the criticism of the criticism here, when people say, well, you really think that this is going to impact the Saudi royal family's bottom line, you're ignoring what this is for. It's not about generating money for them. Money is ephemeral. It doesn't exist for them. This is literally about laundering the understanding of this. And for a lot of these so-called, you know, free speech fans, whatever, people,

that are into these podcasts, similar Andrew Sheltie adjacent podcasts, are very sheltered and uninformed. They are not, they don't participate in the world, they're completely fractured away from any kind of active community that's involved in the world. They're spending their time either completely alone or only communicating with people that are equally as resentful. This, genuinely, for a lot of those people, is the first time they've ever thought about Saudi Arabia in their entire life.

Right. And they are going to see that and go, oh, I guess Saudi Arabia is an epic holiday. destination, essentially a cruise. Well, they just see like Arab, like they see like Emirates like flight ads. Yes. And then it's like, oh, I should visit. I guess it's San Francisco. They have a bunch of

like companies and brands. That's fun. I guess to go on a cool trip, probably first class, like probably a good flight. It's Dubai. And you get to, you know, get paid a bunch of money, do your comedy and maybe spend a nice

weekend or something. And That's all you're thinking. If you weren't aware that there was a North Korea, and this was their first exposure to that information, you'd be like, oh, I guess they love American culture. Cool. That sounds good to me. It's an idiot.

Holy shit. I remember the backlash I got for appearing in Alvin' the Chimmonks. You would have thought I'd taken money from a bunch of people responsible for funding Al-Qaeda. Whoa. Unless you open your sets with, this is dedicated to all the widows and widowers and kids orphaned by the bloodthirsty oppressive regime, especially from the zany shenanigans on 9-11. Never forget, motherfuckers.

All right. So it's great to be here. going to be killing it tonight but in a good way straight up no mbs so that's a mohammed bin salman reference uh then your hypocrisy will never not be noted uh and then he shouts out human rights foundation um which we can also link in the description so shall we look at the um him yeah so tim dillon who's like i don't know his full vibe he's just like one of those guys Tim Dillan is an especially weird one because he

he's one of the ones that has sort of he's closer to the nihilist end of what we're talking about where hey all these he is okay maybe this makes sense he would make fun of Ben Shapiro but not when he's talking about the economy

he would criticize Jordan Peterson for talking about cartoons but not for the content of his philosophy right he is a Don't embarrass yourself, but hey, I'm listening to all thoughts. Tim, he was always, from my understanding, he's like, because he, he is gay, and so was always kind of like... Tim Dillon is. The implied lib of some of the community is in surely by virtue of just being gay.

He splintered off. I've never really sure what his community was. I think he's in New York, maybe, or something like that. But his thing was, he was a roving guy. I know he's from Texas originally. He's a Rogan orbiter, but then he, the only, the major thing I know about him is then he split it out of that because he was one of the, you know, everyone was like, let's move to Austin, better taxes, the mothership, epic comedians. And then he's the most of Joe Rogan. Oh, wait, he's from New York and he lives in Austin.

Because he then went like, Austin fucking sucks. This place sucks. The comedians here aren't actually that good. The mothership fucking sucks. And it like, you know, I don't know if he still appears on Rogan, but he definitely dinged his. credibility there Joe Rogan is the king of that space, you know? Don't displease the

HGH but it's not gender confirmation. Wait a minute. I'm reading this on Wikipedia. Dylan was gay and came out at the age of 25 he since has stated that it was just a phase and is married to a woman. Interesting. Well, that's

not worth unpacking here. He stopped taking Tylenol, I guess. You're coming out and saying you're doing the Saudi thing for money. They're paying you a lot of money. I'm not going to tell you how much you're paying me. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, $375,000 for one show. Oh, that you did. Now, a lot of other people are getting 1.6 million. That's not me. I'm not in that bracket. But they're giving me 375. Others are getting 150. Why are they doing it? Here's the point. Here's the point. Okay. That is a smaller sum than I would have expected. But like some of them. Yeah.

one of that platform level to be making the... Because if I'm only thinking about this in terms of PR risk, image risk and things like that, if you're already a rich comedian, like that's kind of crazy to me. I just think to so many people, it's exactly to them at the time, at least, now they have no excuse.

But if you even want to apply ignorance a little bit, they're just considering it to be just for laughs. Like they think it's like any comedy festival And then as soon as they But now you know it isn't I think they didn't Yeah I think there's probably At least several people on that list

Who were like This isn't a PR risk They didn't think it through They didn't like stop hesitate They just saw the amount We're like hell yeah let's do it Work is a lot of people For you know as depressing as this is

Some people don't think that they can participate in bad things that like well i'm the exception because i'm the protagonist yeah also i think once 175 000 is probably way more they would than they would get for laughs they were like whoa a comedy festival's like that much but like that's the thing it's like you never you don't go hmm i wonder why they're paying so much exactly they should have if we got an offer from like uh oh it's a uh dieting smoothie service wants to pay us 10 million dollar well maybe something is awry on that one and doing this because they're paying me a large sum of money they're paying me enough money to look the other way do you understand look the other way well see

that's the thing it's like it's different if you don't if you've done some due diligence and then there's information that you're not aware of that comes out but I can't the idea of like paying me enough to look the other way it's like maybe if it's like if the stakes are low I don't know if it's like I you know sometimes I've done like a mobile game ad

and I'm not like in love with doing mobile game ads but sometimes times are tougher than others or whatever and then you make the calculus and you make the calculus but also you know that it's not the same as an ad for the Saudi government or whatever you know you're

mileage may vary case to case, but the, this is almost kind of surreal because, but that's what we're saying. When in history has saying, look the other way, had good connotations. Isn't that the point? Especially being a free speech speaker. Yeah, I guess because it's like the, what you're looking the other way from is so extreme. It's like I did, I did a brand deal with established titles or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah. And it was like, it turned out. to be a scam, but it wasn't like public knowledge that it was. It wasn't like I was, it's like the deal was brought to me by my people who might, it's like gone through all of these people whom I trust and then made it to me and I, like I had assumed a certain degree of

legitimacy had been evaluated. And then I'm looking at it as, okay, this is a gag gift. So no harm, no foul and more or less the the like amount of harm done is like not on the grand in my opinion I could you know you could take issue with this but like not on like a grand scale especially we pulled the ad as soon as soon as we found out um and things like that uh where it wasn't like knowingly looking the other way and knowingly doing a crypto like doing a crypto rug pool is like when you're you know you're leading your audience down a very financially risky path and the reason or doing the gambling the reason they're paying you millions and millions of dollars to do the gambling is because there's a small percentage of people who will like get addicted and go broke and that is

what funds everything else and they are paying you to they're paying you to ignore the ignore the risks which should be it's the um key and peel obama translator bit of like this is what i wish i could say but i can't like he's literally out loud saying yeah i'm doing it because i'm a bad person because money's more important than humanity it's it's like wait if if the fact that it's bad isn't enough well then i don't know what else to say the other part of me though is like does he even know what he's looking the other way from i guess he's looking away like i because i'm there's like uh level one understanding and then there's like you know a level nine boss or whatever i think like okay i think if i were to give him or anyone else the benefit of the doubt

uh signing up for this comedy festival my thing is that look we're all trying to to navigate this like very cruel world that we live in and so we're constantly making decisions and doing our best to be like okay i i have to have money to live in this world so how do i make money in a way that aligns best with my values etc and trying to navigate that can be really tricky and really messed up sometimes it is a horrible position to put anyone in especially because half the time it is creatives who have to navigate that and it's like they don't want like it's it just sucks that you're like just trying to do your creative thing and whatever but that being said if this is like so far beyond anything else that normally gets offered to people you just would think it would give

you some pause, you know, unless he tells his agents and bookers to just accept whatever is a good rate, maybe he didn't even say yes to it. Maybe he just said, yeah, if it's a good rate, I'll do it. And here's the tricky thing, right, is like, okay, let's just for the sake of argument, of being a little flexible, let's just say there is, unless it's not necessarily what I think, there's absolutely nothing wrong with having said yes if you didn't know. That's just, I put that on the table, I'll, whatever, mitigate the debate. However, if you are either, A, someone who knew anything and then said yes, while consciously

kind of not looking into it more, then you've made a huge compromise. If you knew nothing at all, but your comedy and podcast is about being informed and critical, then you are best case scenario. a bad podcaster in community because you didn't, if I am like, if I, if my live show is about ballet and I, my whole podcast is about criticizing poor ballet while saying, because I am the spin master.

And then I go on stage at the Orphium. I turn around one time and I throw up from my inner ear wobbling. Well then I am not, I am no longer the authority on this thing. And someone is it, it's like he's dual wielding those two problems where, well, I'm a breechby's guy and I know stuff and I'm informed and everything I say is actually very valid.

But also, hey, I'm just a dumbass, you know, dude. Why do I have to be political? I'm just like, one of the fellas. You should vote for Trump because he's disrupting stuff. And, like, that's edgy. And Biden's too old and Trump is young. But the moment someone pays me to say something else,

if it's a good enough amount, I'll do it. Biden's fucking epic. It's like, so then why would anyone trust you? Because you say that, like, trans people are lying or something. Like, that's, the answer always boils down to that. that. It's like, target an enemy that I am afraid of and I'll be on your side. But let's hear the rest of what he says. Because maybe he's right.

There is a hat that is a bunch of American flags. It's gaudy as fuck. Like, they're not in any sort of rhyme or reason. You know, one thing, as a child growing up in Arizona, one thing that I always was, like, confused by is, isn't that disrespectful to the flag? Aren't you supposed to not alter it? It depends on your race. Look the other way.

That's a four-word sentence. That people don't do anymore. Look the other way. If something bad is happening to your left, look to your right. If, for example, I'm at a breakfast and I see someone get grabbed, and they start hitting them with that, you know that big stick? I don't know if it's bamboo or whatever it is. It's kind of a wood.

It kind of snaps back. It's perfect for it. Wait. Do you mean a switch? Wait, what sort of, is he talking about? like a baton of a police officer or is he talking about like a switch or something i don't know also why does he get he's being sober is he about to talk about how he like looks away because it's none of his business yeah he you know the context right that's why now if i see someone getting in i will

look the other way okay why i look the other way and i see someone being be handed meaning they're chopping a hand up. That might be interesting to just kind of see actually how they do it. I think they do it kind of a sanitary way. But from what I've heard,

you know, if they're chopping a hander, I might look down. And if I'm looking at the floor and I see some eyeless beggar grabbing at me trying to get my money. Wait, can we pause?

If he is in this situation that he's hypothetically described, he's describing a situation where the world is closing it around him. At every direction, there is something horrible happening. And instead of getting out of there, he is just looking at a different direction. This is like a Grimm's fairy tale of like... Yeah, there's a zombie, there's someone being behanded.

What would you do? Well, I would look up. I'd probably leave. Yeah. I would say, what the hell is going on? I'd probably say what the hell is even that? Which is, to be fair, the paranoid worldview of a lot of these guys is that actually, in every direction people are trying to get me

over there there are trans people that hate me over there there are black people stealing my stuff a blind beggar trying to get my money right I said zombie which what he did which is what he's evoking because they're doing this from the ground which is not but I don't know why

he said what he said like I don't even know how to describe that other than like a really weird well he makes you think of a video game yeah it's probably because I'm playing Silent Hill laugh right now but it's because like if something horrible is happening over here, and I just look away, I'm going to die. That's kind of what I'm trying to describe here.

This guy would be horrible at time crisis. Just pressing the thing down and staying on it. Yeah, he just looks down. He's like, oh, God, there's people shooting at me from every direction. Time to look away. This isn't fair. This is prejudice in some way. This is, like, so unbelievably outrageous that it almost feels like parity.

I don't. Oh, yeah. I guess let's find out what's up. And if in the heavens, I see a drone, flying over. I will look the other way. You're running out of ways. Back. That doesn't make none of his argument makes any sense and he's running out of ways to

look. Yeah. So now you're going to look at the hand being cut off again? He's like, okay, well, I'll go back to looking at the guy being beaten because that's the lesser of all evils. I gotta say, look, we've all been here. You started a point that you thought might lead somewhere. You got two thirds through the first sentence, realize you had nowhere to go, pivoted, looked the other way, if you will, to maybe making a different point. Um, and then I'll look down and there's a blind beggar, um, and, and when you think about it, that's basically Saudi, um, you know, maybe what he's saying and maybe I'm giving him too much credit is that the world is just absolute garbage.

So just do whatever you can. Yeah, I think that's what he's trying to do, which is like everything's bad everywhere. So who am I to judge? Which is not. That's not true. And here's the thing again, fine. If you want to co-sign that ideology. again you discredit commentary

you can't do both you can't be smug about a political victory and say that the political system is broken you can appreciate a result you can't be like this we fucking won dude yes Trump is in office and that shit

why are you talking about this that shit doesn't matter well it's also like to go back to like well couldn't you say the same thing about the states when people align themselves with the government I also think that's a red flag regardless of who is in office because it's just a very weird it's a weird vibe

you are looking the other way for something and like I what's it you're righter that he's doing like who even fucking cares who gives a shit but they're all still too proud to actually say that like real nihilism is going to like yeah I know

oopsie daisy and said he's doing like no it doesn't matter who cares but also stop yelling at me please i'm online and i'm upset very redid there's a few seconds left let's see if he can land this plane let's see if these 12 seconds he makes a really good point and i look up and i see a plane landing and then i look the other way oh no because i'm being paid enough money to look the other way what don't you understand what is so complicated i'm the only honest person just going to do it i think we pointed out our issue with what he said, which is that his, his, even his analogy doesn't make any sense. Or it's like, I do that with one of the, uh, the, yeah, the most corrosive things, well, most corrosive thing about this like silly myth of modern day philosopher comedians.

They, they, they think in a different way. It's like, no, they're just so insecure that they are constantly thinking. It's not like a, they're thinking about a completely irrelevant bullshit, so they think they're a genius. Not like these fucking doctors. Not like these lazy doctors. But like one of the most corrosive things about that myth is that it makes these people too proud. It gives them too much like self-esteem

about how clever they are. Yeah. And then it gets questioned like, well, it seems like you're kind of uninformed about this at the very least. So he can't say nothing. He just can't. He has to say something.

His pride is too big. But he also can't say that it's good. good, because then he's not informed. So he has to just say, I'm a, I'm bad and that's okay. I'm playing, I'm playing 5D chess, actually, and you don't understand. You don't get it. What did Bill Burr say? I'm so curious about this because.

What's the deal with this? Bill Burr is also someone who is, uh, he's a little more like, I think he. Social commentator. I think Bill Burr might be the only, at least historically, the only real centrist. Yeah. That he is only the thing he says he believes, which has gone both ways. Also, can I say that the title of this is Football Sunday, Middle East, Project Blue Bean. Like, just sandwiching it in there.

Yeah, he did a compliment sandwich of topics. And it's just the Middle East, the whole region. Jesus, the Middle East. Why is it so dry here? That was like Bill Burr and Morty. Oh, boy. Oh, geez. You know, I don't know what's going to happen here.

And, like, my whole fucking idea. of Saudi Arabia is what I've seen like on the new I've literally think I'm going to fucking land you know and everybody's going to be screaming death to America and they're going to have like fucking machetes and want to like chop my head off right because this is what I've been fed that's not what you've been fed about that's like that's like what you've been fed in two like September 12th 2001 you've been fed that about Afghanistan and you've kind of just kind of slotted them and he's seeing them as like like Arizona and Nevada.

Yeah. He's like, yeah. Do you say, do you say Arab Zona? The Arab zone? Yeah, Hassan's house, gone him. I do think he is, again, the title is the Middle East. Yeah. So he has no idea of what differences there are.

The Middle East. Yeah. It's like, what was it? How do I get out of Africa? Or whatever. How do I escape Africa? Oh, yeah, yeah. How do we leave Africa?

Those girls, did you watch them actually go to Tunisia, by the way? they did end up going to they did end up going to like on a vacation on purpose we can talk about it later fucking machetes and want to like chop my head off right because this is not the thing is the thing is what you've also been fed on the news

is that the crown prince is associated with the chopping head off of journalists who are critical the sum of whom may even be American citizens which is like...

It's different if they're like the citizenry or so... Like, if it's the government, yeah, sure. Yeah, it's like, I don't... It's the law. I just also don't believe you, man. Like, that's not...

It's... Homeland is not about, like... If that's really what he's talking about, if you're talking about, like, Black Hawk Down, that's not... They don't land in the Saudi Royal Palace. They'd be like,

oh, brother! Like, do you... Like, does he have any idea how, like, richy rich that, like, their experience is going to be? Like, probably not. where it's just like, literally you're going to land in like an all-gold, fucking airport runway.

A gilded mattress. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And be shuttled into the, like, most ornate, like, like, situation. It's going to be, like, arriving in Valhalla. Yeah. We're flying over it. It's nothing but, like, these long roads and sand. It's like nothing.

Wait, did he go? Is this like, did they go negotiating or something? I don't know. Maybe he's been before. Because I was going to say, he's like, jumping like tenses where I'm like not sure now what he's talking about. It sounds like he has been to Saudi Arabia

before. Yeah. Well, I think he's talking about his experience going to the comedy festival. When was the comedy? It's currently happening. It's like it's like this whole week. I see. We missing it? We're missing it. Wow. I know. Okay.

And I'm like, what the fuck? What the fuck did I get myself into? And then we land. It was with these roads. and now here we are right and yeah we end up driving into town it's a city

everything right dude crazy who would have thought they had cities me going to Massachusetts the hell the same kind of person that thinks all of Africa

is just like the jungle it's like tribes people yeah Africa comma the jungle that's the like the country Oh, yeah, what do they keep saying in that the girls that got lost? They kept saying...

Tunis, kind of Africa. Tunis, Africa, yeah. And everybody's just regular. They're dressed different, but they're regular. Like, people just shooting the shit. Hey, how you doing? You know, welcome. We're saying, hey, we know we're happy to be here.

And we're driving around. And then I'm just like going like, I thought this place was going to be like really tense. Well. And I'm thinking like It is for some people You unsing it by design That's crazy Like did not a single Google search

So I land And I meet this guy Kim Jong-il right And we're going along And he's gonna be like Death to America And all these buildings They're like

None of the windows Have interiors Yeah they're pristine buildings On the outside Everything's really nice There's one road It goes from the airport To the palace

Is it God there's so many Okay Continue Mr. bill is that a Starbucks next to a Pete's coffee right next to a Burger King next to a McDonald's next to a pizza this is like this is like a child leaving the country yeah truly yeah like this is I didn't leave a country until I was an adult but like that is like how I was like wow they have Burger King here in Spain that was my actual experience

when I was 22 we like I totally roasted someone I knew when I did my study abroad His name was coffee bean Yeah, his name was grungus She totally roasted him Grinded him and brewed his ass Oh

When I did my study abroad in Leeds Uh Someone I knew Came to to visit and said Wow the ketchup tastes Slightly different here

And I was like What the fuck? Like you're Like he just was like So in of like, they have ketchup. It tastes slightly different. And I'm like, does it?

It's the same. It's Heinz. Like, what are you talking about? You don't understand the subtle nuances of a Kit Kat tasting different regionally. Yeah. No, but. Supply chain.

Supply. Being an American, being in awe that something exists in another country. Right, right, right. Especially something like McDonald's. That's everywhere. Yeah. McDonald's is famously everywhere.

That's like the thing. Maybe, but not in there. Yeah, it's like, it's like the classic thing. It's like some things you hear about, like, you go to Japan, you're like, wow, 7-11, crazy over there. What does he, what does he think? I'm learning he does it. What does he think? Where does he think the wars happen?

Like, what at? Like, where do the people come from? Like, they're like Urukai? They're just like dog out of the mud and they're like, death of America now, I guess. It's like, you know? Genuinely probably, yeah. Kind of, yeah. But also, this also feels like a lot.

I know. This feels like him being like, I didn't know what I was getting myself into. I had no idea what this country was even like. He said a lot of informed shit in the past. Right. That's the weird. Well, what's the, um, my brain doesn't work today. Basketball player who, Pat, no, his name starts with a P.

And he is known for being a defender and loud and boisterous. Oh, yes. uh pat bev patrick beverly yeah yeah uh patrick beverly his uh like he's like playing in israel right now and like and signed like after it was front page of american news you know what i mean like october it's like obviously um like israel's atrocities and guys have have gone back a very very very long time um but were clearly have been downplayed in the west for a long time. Right, right, right. And so then now it's like, it is easily accessible, like what's going on. Unavoidable. And unavoidable. And then he's like, he even said, like,

if I see a bomb, I'm out of there. I think, so I think his first, he already signs the papers. And then I think he tweeted something like, wait, Tel Aviv's in Israel. And that's in the Middle East. Like, I don't know if this is honest or not. Maybe he was telling a little joke or something, but he pretended like he thought he was going to Europe. Well, that is funny because Israel likes to, like, cosplay sometimes as being as in European country.

It is not in. When they see Middle East, he's not like, did any part of him be like, yeah, I thought it'd land and I'd see a Jewish guy. You know what? That's normal. The Fibba. tournament, the basketball tournament Tel Aviv does play in that. So maybe that's

why you thought it was in Europe. Right. No, because then also there's a lot of there's just a soccer tournament I think there was a European Cup thing and Israel was like originally competing in that. And so like there's a lot of things like that where it's like no no we're like

a blue chip Middle Eastern place. We're white listed as like Europe. It's like the pre-check. Right. Because because everyone's perception of Middle East This is what Bill Burr is talking about. Which is, like, their perception of the community and people's that have done nothing bad are the ones that have been, like, lauded into actually being Death to America orcs.

Like, they're just not people. They're just, like, dangerous people that blow stuff up for no reason. And the civilized national. It's a blind, homeless guy, zombie or whatever. And then there's, like, thankfully, the civilized government that has done nothing. It's, like, a little bit, can you believe it's civilized? but then it's like, what do you think is, like, where do you think the buildings came from?

They didn't arrive blown up. It doesn't make any fucking Zends. But they just did. It's like a call-a-duty map. Like, that's just started like that. So annoying. Okay, continue. But I understand, do you think you're right, is this a little...

Yeah, it kind of, it kind of feels like an act he's putting on. But we'll see. Let's see what he says. Next to a Dunkin' Donuts, next to a Krispy Kreme, next to a cheesecake factory, next to a KFC. next to a Chili's They got a fucking Chili's over here Then we go into the mall Because I want to get my kids something

It was a Timberland store I could have bought Timberlands Like I was in Brooklyn, New York So is he like never been He's been to another He's been to other countries That's what I'm saying It's like a mall

Like a lot of malls are like that Yeah man Moles are globe That's like by design Yeah that's kind of how they How they operate I went to the Westfield In West London

I went to the Westfield in San Francisco Oh my God Remember Remember that London Mall that was the size of a city? Terrifying. Horrifying, dude. I got a claustrophobia. I was like natural out of escape.

It's like being in a huge coffin. They don't know like a mouse feels when they're in any house. Like a maze. Yeah. They leave their little hole and they go, oh my God. It's like I didn't leave like. And they find a sausage roll and they're like, oh, good. I didn't leave like a trail of sand or whatever to be able to follow my tracks

backwards to find my way home. This long ribbon going from the Ebby and B through them all. I want to stress that if people aren't familiar with Bill Burr, he is not only a like very famous comedian who has been performing for, I mean, I don't know, since the 90s at least. Yeah, he's been famous and rich for a long time. He's now a very successful actor. Who has been in stuff like Breaking Bad and Mandalorian?

Like, he's definitely acted in other countries. like filmed in other countries, so... I do wonder if this would be... Obviously, it would make sense in the same context, but, like, if this were not comedy and whatever the event is, is instead being co-signed by, like, Austin Butler. It's like going for a press tour about something.

Oh, not even a press tour, because you could excuse that as part of a tour, but, like, hey, he's going there to do a live performance of Elvis or something. I wonder if people would be as rightly outraged because I feel like actors get a bit more abstract. like it act as a property it's like not a person but a comedian

I mean they're the only real philosophers Right And then there's advertisement for like boxing And fucking Formula One and Moto GP and golf and all of this stuff And I was like oh And then it just struck me as funny It's like they're eating this shit too

They're gonna have to get some bigger fucking clothes They're gonna end up looking like us So They're not all gold you know You have to work out the bad jokes Find the good ones comedians have always pushed like the boundaries and this was like a classic case like I guess this is tipping the cap to the people that set up the festival over there I thought

this was going to be him defending himself but this is more like he's changing the narrative entirely he's changing the narrative let me say anything I want dude he's actually pushing boundaries as a comedian he's saying that the like this is bringing the world together it sounds like he's saying like we're not so different us and them they yeah we've all got KFC. Even the Middle East appreciates comedy. Even the middle the middle east in like the animals abroad even the most like specifically I don't even know how to describe it it's like an artificial city thing where it's like it's it's universal don't look behind door number one yes yeah because you're going to find a lot of like very unscrupulous he's on like the unsavory

things fresh print set and he's like you think there be four walls there's one where a bunch of people And the fact that he's like, I want to tip my cap to whoever set up that it's like the crown prince Why do you think the royals are there? Just a big fan, man. They love Boston. Dude, but that's the thing. It's like What do they like Bill Burr? But they've never heard it. They don't like any. They like a drinking plasma from children. I don't know. Don't turn off the power. They, the Saudi like royal fund thing has like is invested everywhere, too. It's like buying up so much stuff. He's like, there's F1, there's soccer, there's golf.

It makes sense that there's F1 billboards because they do massive races. It's for people saying that, like this is, you know, I said it's over the poster, this is what it's for. Like, you know, I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of the people, basically everyone on the board is either very famous and has a podcast. or very famous so much that the podcast doesn't matter or small and has a podcast But it's like how can you be such a like I'm pushing boundaries

when you realize that if anyone criticize it like literally you were given a list of boundaries you couldn't push and then if you and if anyone there criticizes the royal family or whatever

they're going to be like there's a chance you won't get out of there a lot yeah okay here's genuinely here's how it goes right I am Bill Burr's agent. I secure some kind of contract. Don't redline it because I don't want to get killed.

And then I send it to Bill Burr's management. Bill Burr's management opens the docu-sign for him after he says, yes, I'll do it, signs it. Does not read him any of the details because he doesn't want to hear him, who would? And then on the flight or in an email says, heads up, like, don't make too many jokes about the broader family because that'll be a little word. Just stick to your normal hour. problem solved like problem solved like what's what's going to mean that that does all make sense uh it's it's like it requires just so much of uh i guess at the state i mean i don't want to defend him either but like it's like at the stage that he's at uh so much of this stuff is automatic and why

would this be any different but but also if you have these questions about where you're traveling to like take a little read the contract take a little look not even read the contract, Google. Do everything. Saudi Arabia controversy. Question mark. I do that all the time. Like, if I'm like, has this actor ever had anything weird? And

I just put their name in controversy. Saudi Arabia trust pilot. Yeah. You know what? I'll even give you the green light. You can use chat. GBT. You can say, hey, why might people be upset if I did this? Check with Grock and it'll say,

they won't. And I'm mecca. It's good. that I, you should do stuff. You can go on TikTok and look up just that actor's name. And under the first video, any video you click on, it'll say blank controversy. But what if I did nothing? That, but like posted. I still tweet about like cancel culture or something.

All right, let's keep going. I'm, I'm kind of very curious. By the way, if cancel culture exists, then what the hell do you call Louie doing this show? Louis has never been canceled. That guy has made so much. He freaking sold out Madison Square Garden several nights in a row like he's fine i just i don't particularly care like as far as like

i'm not a litigator you know it's like whatever i don't like what he did and also i don't care if he people buy tickets to something he's the impact on his financials is another thing that bothers me it's the fact that he has such a unacknowledged platform and that people are willing to look the other way that people consider him some kind of like sad martyr yeah but if he was like confidently like hey i fucked up in this way, this bad, there's no bullshit here. Then it's like, okay, well, I don't know. I'm not trying to get him executed.

I just think it's silly to write every, like, they're all saying, well, they're all saying, looking the other way is somehow virtuous. I just, I didn't know. I certainly can't. I'm like, we can't travel to Riyadh now. The fuck. About what you could say and what you couldn't say in Saudi Arabia, the people run the festivals will be like, all right, well, man, that's game set, match. If this is, like, all you

can talk about, and you want some good comedians, like, this isn't going to work. And then, to their credit, they said, all right, what are we got to do? And they just negotiated it all the way down to, like, you can talk about anything, you know, other than a couple things, which was basically, you know, religion, don't make fun of the royals. And other than that, it was all, everything was, like, open. Fucking knew it. That's how, that's the slip, man, because he doesn't know anything about Saudi culture. So it doesn't matter to that part of it who fucking goes.

And he doesn't know anything about religion. So he's, they don't need to. Well, I don't know. He's joked about religion in general. In the abstract. Well, and also, like, Catholicism off something with a reference point. But like, and he's done edgy material. It's like, you know.

It's so tricky because, like, the royals, it's like a little bit different than saying, like prince harry yeah you know what i mean because were they actually royals because yeah and that's the thing it's like the a lot of a lot of dark stuff goes back to like mbs for example and uh it's like saying uh the the royals in the UK are they're essentially madam two so like you go there to see a funny little figure from you've seen from movies but it like it for an audience it like makes it sound like we can't say anything about the plush like who even cares they're so harmless don't make fun of the luboos that sat in the front row so everything was open except for what just a couple things except for the big things except for the big

things you might criticize yeah because a lot of the things that you might criticize where do they go back to you know what I mean it's like it's like being like in America you could like talk about like anything except for the government the you know the things the government does the laws that they have. Imagine the outrage they'd supposedly have if when they do those White House shows, it's you can't make fun of Trump. Imagine, well, they wouldn't say anything.

I mean, now you can't make fun of Trump. But like, that's the rule. I mean, yeah, the truth is you never could and you can't really do. There is a, you know, there actually isn't freedom of speech, but I'm not talking about saying the assler. Seth Myers tried and like,

and look what happened. He created a monster. And then in my head, I'm like, oh, I got this bit about going to my job. and there was a bunch of gay guys there. You know, I don't know about this, right? So, it sounds like a dynamite bit. What is going to happen when I go out there and I do my shit?

Everybody's like, no, just do your shit. Do your shit. Just don't talk about those two things. I'm like, I can talk about, yeah, it's going to be fine. I'm like, it's going to be fine, right? I've never listened to this show before. I don't need to simulate talking to someone else in a shared Uber ride. I don't need to, like, dedicate my time to someone just rambling about their personal experiences

that I have no interest in. What a crazy thing to listen to every week. Right, so I'm standing there, I'm waiting to go on, and somebody from the crowd sees me, you know? And he's dressed, all in their traditional shit, right?

And he just goes, Hey, Bill Burr, I love you. Kick ass, man! And I could just feel, I'm like, these fucking people, the people, okay, they want a fucking show. You could feel it.

I was talking to other comments. You could feel it. They wanted you to push, right? It was really fucking exciting. So I go up on stage. and I start doing my shit and they're fucking into it. But essentially he's saying they didn't censor me at all. It is freedom of speech because I did my whole act and they loved it.

But it's also like you're a famous guy. They're paying millions of dollars to be there. But also you didn't, you're part of your act is not criticizing human rights issues. You don't have a human rights violations bit. nor did you try to do one. Dude, the, um, do you guys remember, uh, when, uh, my, my favorite bill, Bill Ma, new rule, when he posted, uh, or one of his tedious opening monologues was all about how he had dinner with Trump?

Oh, you got dinner with Trump, this is a few months ago. And the whole time he's just, you know, suppose, he's a supposedly, I quote, moderate lib, and so he's always espousing, like, woke is dangerous. But we got to listen to both sides. But this Trump clown, he's a clown in Congress. You know, he's philosophically free fucking grifter freak. But you rule. He posted this thing and the whole monologue is laundering Trump.

He, the whole time he's like, he laughs. I've never seen him laugh before. He really laughs. He's like doing it. Like he saw what happened to Jimmy Fallon who like ruffled up his hair. And he's just like, listen. And then he's like, what if I just slobbed on his knob a little bit? It is crazy.

The whole thing is insane. and then Larry David, where I think it was newer times, possibly the Washington Post, wrote an article called My Dinner with Hitler and just parodied the whole thing. Bill Burr, obviously, very funny guy, can take a joke, got extremely upset, and then talked about Larry David in the next monologue, normal guy. But it has, like, suggest other people go watch it. It's kind of long and it's tedious and Bill Ma's freakish. It's like he's made of wax.

But there is, the tone feels exactly the same. Where, like, you know, Bill Ma's doing a pseudo-intellectual voice, new rule, but, and Bill Burr is, I'm just a fucking guy. But they're saying the same thing, which is, you know, you'd think these people would be objectionable. But after getting paid a lot of money and spending time with them, I actually found out that they were people. Can you believe that? They laughed at jokes. It's like, imagine you're doing comedy for Trump in, in his cabinet, and, you know, some other, like, world leaders, and then they have some select God-fearing citizens in the

crowd. It's like, can you believe it? Everybody loved my comedy. What was the deal with that? And it's like, what? The people that came to the show you're putting on watched the show? That's good. It's like he was concerned about all the wrong stuff. Was he expecting all of the royals and the diplomats to be sat there stone-faced? Well, kind of, because they aren't people. Like, people in other countries are like, you know, to a lot of Americans, It's kind of like a, I'm not subhuman, but alt-human. Other kind of people. You know, they do comedy in Japan?

I thought they just did business. Oh, that's crazy. I thought they did samurai stuff. They wear their little suits just like we do. God, it's so crazy, man. Americans, what are you going to do with them? What's the deal? Dude, we completely forgot to do your type five stand-up on political stuff and free speech.

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