Sad Boyz - Corporate Retreat Goes Horribly Wrong | Sad Boyz

Episode Date: April 11, 2026

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. Hey. Dude, I have a list for you. You have a list? Not a lot of stuff on here. But I want to see how you feel about this.

Okay. This is my, the list gets longer and longer, but these are my top four picks right now. Mm-hmm. Stuff that must go so crazy when you say it or do it. Oh, so it really goes crazy when you say it or do it. It's going to, like stuff that's like, if you did it or set it, or it's got to go crazy. That's got to feel awesome. Is there any other, like, just saying it?

So like I could say it right now and I would go crazy? Nah, you gotta be in the right setting. You gotta be the right setting. Sometimes you gotta do it. So bear that in mind. Standing in a lavish penthouse with your back to the door, gazing out the window and then when someone walks in saying, this city must change.

Or like, this city is a cesspool or, you know, something. Or the city needs me. Yes. Yeah, and they're walking in and you don't have to turn around, but you know who they are. Oh, that's big. Like you've got your hands behind your back. Yes, dude.

You're looking over the balcony. They walk in. Maybe hit this. Yeah. Or even just you're looking up and you go, I was expecting you. Yes, dude. Marble flooring too.

So they hear your shoes. You're late. I'm just throwing that out every kind of 30 seconds just in case they walked in. You've been hitting that for a while. The security camera footage of you is just going. You're late. Nope, stupid,

stupid, not like that. Okay, they're getting closer. No, you're late. Yes. The city needs me.

Just getting them all out. You're getting your dialogue. It's like when a dog doesn't know what trick you want. Spinning. Oh, you're late. The city needs me.

It's successful. My Batman? Anastasia, I found out of nights that this is not true, but I really, truly, genuinely thought there was a line in

because I got high where he says, it could have painted the Mona Lisa, but then I got high. Jordan made us look it up on Sab Boys Nights. He doesn't say that at all? He didn't even close. Nothing like it.

Nothing like it. No, I could have been a pretty good painter, but then I got high. Not even that. I mean, it would be very arrogant of him to say that's why I didn't paint them. I might have been good at art. That on today's episode of Sad boys nights, we do that. And then we talk about Final Fantasy 7 and the political ramifications. And then I tell this, I give a little book report on the New York Times piece about unmasking the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto.

And that was a little bit of reading Shakespeare. It might be the most high episode of reading Shakespeare. Nights of all time. That's not the Patreon. companter's Southwest, by the way. But don't go there. Yeah, stick around. But number two on the list of.

Number two on the list, I have being the first dad that ever said, we hated it when they come to pick up the plates and everyone's eating all the food. Or supplementally, thing won't scan, must be free. Being the first dad to say, and boy am I'm tired. When you get in from the trip, you flew back by that, dude. Oh my God.

Thanks, hungry, I'm dad. Oh, my God. Like that jacket gets blown off by that laugh. That's like dad alting. It's like that and like starting the grill. Building up your synergy skill level. Yeah. This one is your synergy skill with you and the gruel.

Real. My kids. This one, I don't have a scenario for it, but I'm picturing, say, like, it's a beautiful kingly hall. And I'm sat on my throne and, like, one of my more indignant sons walks up, you know, he's like, he's got like, like, long, blonde hair and a rapier. He's like arrogant, you know. And he walks up, his name is Jovoth.

Don't like that. And he walks up, and he's ugly, he's penis is small. No one likes him, right? Wait. And he walks up and he says like, this, this throne should be mine. father. And then I go like, he's like talking talking. And I go, stop. You forget yourself, boy. I do like you forget yourself because the only other time I've heard it was in Hamilton. Dude, and it goes hard. It does go hard in Hamilton. You forget yourself. Yeah. Imagine how good

that feel. And then they go like, like, like it works. Oh, right. Yeah. I forgot myself. Or saying something about your bloodline. Yeah. You're an embarrassment to our bloodline. you must follow in the path of your of your ancestry or being like a sensei that's guiding a like exiled prince and being like you must live up to your bloodline that's true yes yes yes yes yes yes yes eugenics are good that that one doesn't hit his heart

was that sense did you say some no I said meugenics is pretty good I played an indie recently I mean if you can forgive some of the unsavory cameos I wasn't really really a binding of Isaac guy, but I don't really even super meat boy. Well, look after Indy Game the movie, I thought to myself.

This guy's definitely got talent, but he's a little problematic. Kind of annoying. I missed the coder, dude. What happened to him? Where's Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow? Where are those boys? Oh. Oh. Bummer.

Bummer about, and I was really excited about Fez 2. Fez 2. Coming out, one, the first year of the next generation of people post war. I remember being on Twitter. It was called Twitter back then. Still is, by the way.

The everything I've been probably. I remember watching Phil Fish crash out. I feel like I witnessed it live. He like deactivated his account. And he was like, I'm done. I'm not owned. I'm done. Fez 2.

Didn't he tweet Fez 2 is canceled? Oh my God, dude. Forget it. I'll just die. Yeah, I guess you hate me. That probably felt amazing. Shutting off the internet He unplugged the internet

Yeah Guess I'll trash Dude trashing your own game To own the live Oh dude burning down my own house So you can't come for a party Destroyed Eating all the food at the barbecue

Actually Yeah my game's being deleted that day So I can't release it Oh no Oh sweetie you wanted to hang out Well guess what You tested my patience Dude there's an alternate reality

Somewhere where everything's the same Except for Philfish is like Ryan Coogler levels charismatic and liked. A beautiful alternate universe where FES 2 came out and people like, it's all right. It's pretty.

It's not bad. And Phil Fish was like, I appreciate the feedback. I appreciate the feedback, actually. And I invite it. And Jonathan Blow was like sociable. Yeah. And that's beautiful hair.

Long flowing locks. And those are the only differences. Oh, fuck. That sounds kind of good. Oh, the last way I have and this is more circumstantial is blowing the smoke off of a recently fired revolver.

Oh. Yeah, does anybody do that? I don't want to shoot one. And also, I don't know enough about guns. Do revolvers really smoke like that? It's a little much. Yeah. It's a little too much smoke.

I was like, yeah, chill. It feels old fashion, right? Yeah. I mean, fanning the hammock, right? And then I realized I've been riddled with bullets because I'm not good of shooting. Yeah. So I missed every shot and my show me. You actually hit the gun backwards.

They shoot me in the head. There was like an episode of John Oliver a couple weeks back about like, like, I believe it was about like sting operations with cops and stuff. A sting operation is like when a sting and an operation have a baby. But seriously, one of the... But seriously, we need to talk about Turkey's Prime Minister. Here's an elaborate ending to the episode with a hashtag you can use. It's a guy in a big suit.

And you're probably thinking I wouldn't... Who would buy that suit? We bought the suit. We bought the suit. I uh yeah i mean i like john oliver and i um uh shout out to alley alley barthwell a friend of the show internet mutual of mine who's a writer on um that show um and also the writer of my favorite uh bachelor recaps so he didn't observe about but yeah i think it was about like stings and stuff it was about a horrible thing in our world and it was about how um cops like entrapment how how cops like trap people and and one of the instances was like people was like people and and one of the instances was like people People were like charged with like conspiracy to commit this crime, but like the links that the cops would go to to like lead these people to commit the crime was so, so, so, so far. Like none of them had done a crime like that before. It's literally just conspiracy.

They're doing conspiracy. The fact that I'm recalling from it was one of the guys had a gun that was one over a hundred years old and didn't the bullets that he had with him didn't fit the gun. Is it cannonball? Yeah, and I was like, a hundred year old gun, that's a artifact. Put that in a museum. That belongs in a museum. Let me have that one. He's just going to kill someone with it?

I mean, yeah, after the cops were like, you should use this, you should do this. And they were in like a low-income neighborhood and, you know, in a really like rough spot. And then the cops were like, hey, if, hey, after weeks and weeks of massaging you to convince you to commit this crime, you should do this. And they're like, okay. And then this gun doesn't fire. Like, here's a Venetian scimitar.

Yeah. Go and figure out how to use this. They also, like, in some of those instances, they, like, help them procure the weapons and stuff. I'm like, this is so fucked. I saw a really good documentary, like, ages ago about these young men. I want to say, like, environmental activists. About me and my boy Barrett?

Yeah, Avalanche. Yeah, it was about Avalanche. My boys in Midgar heading up to the freaking reactor. Yeah, that's. Okay. Yeah, now I played that. I saw that documentary. And they were, they were going to protests and stuff like the normal stuff. And then they met while doing these protests and older guy. So they're like 17, 18. The older guy's like 27. And he is like, hey, you guys seem cool. Me and my boy. There's a special group we're putting together that's like going to get more. involved in like policy and like really making a change in like environmental stuff and like and um maco like agricultural uh like factory farming and that something material yeah yeah and condensed

they spend like two to three years in this group that this older guy put together he starts getting more and more militant and they're they're kind of following his lead he teaches them how to make Molotov cocktails. I could figure that out. I never, I guess there is a, I never really thought about the, yeah, burnable rag and burnable bottle.

Is it, Molotov cocktail just straight up an item in Final Fantasy 7 or is it something like that? Yeah, there's a volatile cocktail. It might be a regular grenade. Yeah, because like, yeah, okay. Anyway, continue, you're not so far not, not talking about Final Fantasy 7,

but heavily implied. And, and then they get their go bags ready, with like, you know, masks and stuff. They're at this point, like 19 or something. Mithril stuff. And they get ready to go. They have their backpacks. The guy pulls up.

He's like, are you guys ready? They come out. He arrests them. And a bunch of, he's like, I'm FBI. And I'm arresting you guys as a environmental terrorist group. And they're like, wait, what? You made us do it. Like, you didn't make us do it.

We did it on our own. But you showed us how to do all this stuff and planned it. It's crazy because when you include all of that, like, I feel like you're poisoning in the well, but then they have a lot of legal protections. So like entrapment, like you need a lot of evidence apparently to prove entrapment. Well, one of the kids pled guilty, went to prison for like five years. and then got out. The other kid was like, this isn't right.

I'm not pleading guilty. Stayed in prison, like might still be in prison for all I know. I feel like the relevant question to people that will, like, people will posit, like, okay, so you don't want a force that can stop that kind of stuff. I'm like, well, if that kind of stuff was going on, they should probably go and do those ones. Why are they involved in manufacturing? Right. Why are they creating, like, it not going after it supposedly happened?

It doesn't not feel like a thought crime. It doesn't not feel like. feel like, okay, we can't exactly read thoughts, but like, if I can, if I can create this self-fulfilling prophecy of convincing someone to do a crime that I think they should do based on their socioeconomic or color of their skin. A post cog. Then, then, then I, I knew it all along. You were a criminal.

I said that earlier before as well. I did the crime with you up until the end, but actually it was a track. But I'm actually a good boy. I'm actually good. fucking joking, dude. Are you serious? You were actually... I was doing a bit.

That pisses me off. But... Especially the Maltop cocktail thing. I can do that in fucking hour. What I will say, though, is that this kind of happens in Final Fantasy 7. A little bit. Have we mentioned we played... We do talk about this more in...

If you want to hear all about it... The one thing... A little bit of Hamlet. With a little bit of Hamlet. Just a tiny little soliloquy. A moose. A moose bush of Hamlet. Is it a moose bush like a bit of food?

Yeah, it's, I'm using your boosh, your mouth. Oh. Bush means mouth. No, that makes sense. Found out of l'A busch. There was that. Teitois, Jaloo. That means shut up, jealous.

Jealous. Shut up, jealous. There is like a thing at the beginning of Final Face 7 that happens that is so much like real life because the eco, you're like in an eco, terrorism cell and you do you sabotage these like reactors and they're like bad for the environment because they're like

tapping the earth's natural resources Mako and and you engineer a tiny bomb that's meant to just like fuck up the reactor's functionality and that's the only thing and then but the issue and constantly the issue is that you don't realize

how horrible your OPSEC is and how horrible you like are at not being detected so so the evil megacorp, the essentially like mega oil, like AI. Like I'm trying to think of what it would be today. It's like Amazon or whatever. Which is, Amazon BP. Your city is its parking lot.

Like everything is literally, you're on the ground level. The president lives at Amazon.com, like words. And they blow up the whole thing and harm people in the city so that they can false flag you and be like, wow, those terrorists really. get a number on us. You're thinking. Wow, we really, these guys are horrible. And then Jesse never finds out.

Yeah, but Jesse believes that they're responsible for us. The entire time she believes she's responsible for that. Which, yeah, you know, whatever. She's gonna have to tank it. Speaking to tanks, bear it. Okay. Anastasia. Yeah.

If I walked in, like, I went into your apartment sometime and it was just like, hey, brought you, you know, milk or whatever, you were like, I'm hungry for milk. you know, you wanted to make cheese. Hungry for milk? And I want to make cheese out of milk? I'm doing an example of like something we've done before so you can reference it. Okay.

Okay. So I'm hungry and I want to make cheese. You've never been to my house. Yes, but that's just, this is why. Why if you were hungry would you choose a process of making cheese out of milk? And also, cheese isn't really going to, that's not really a meal. Okay, continue. Okay, continue.

Continue. Continue. Okay. Sorry. No, no, I get it. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. You're right.

You're normal. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're always right. Continue. Oh. You come over.

You bring me milk. You bring me milk. And obviously... I make cheese. You make cheese. I have all this cheese cloth. I got to use it. No, this is a little weird.

I just come over. I say, hey. I'm like, yo, what's up? And you're like, cheese, please. Grom it? Fuck off. That's weird. I walk in.

And then you're looking out the window, right? I walk in. I'm like, Anesthesia, you know, what's that? What do you say? It can't be the world is changing. It has your own iconic phrase Arms behind your back, you're like The jacarondas are in bloom

Oh, alright Oh, wait, I want to try it. I want to say, what? I'm in exactly the same situation. I'm in like that. Hey man, I got your milk from cheese You wanted to bathe in or whatever. I love cheese.

Okay. I mean, I can just leave it on the ground. And I'm hungry for cheese. I'm gonna head up. I'm gonna get going with. Are my ears working or is the cheese calling? There's no one. Wait, or?

Are my ears working or? Or is the cheese calling? Oh, it feels good as fuck for a like a dog-dash driver to drop something off and you say it? I have been expecting you. Wait, I got another one. Give me one second. Okay, so you're bringing me, you're bringing me lunch. And you made me, you made me PB&J.

And then when I ask you the next question, you respond yes. Okay. Hey, I got you lunch. It's Pee and J. Amazing. Did you cut off the crust? Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

Good, because nothing gets between me and that bread. Is that why you wanted me to cut it off for this joke? Do you have milk as well? Yeah. Good. I want to make some cheese. Okay, fine. For my Peeb and J.

I kind of had a situation recently. I often leave my door open when it's. nice out and I just have my screen door closed. Yeah, okay, got it. And so it's like I can see outside. The breeze comes in. It's very nice. Like a dog.

Yeah, like a dog. That's nice. And I will often watch a movie with my friends on Discord who don't live in L.A. So they're spread out all over the U.S. We have little movie nights together. It's very fun. So I'm watching a movie called The Plummer. It's an Australian film.

It's really weird. And I'm like screaming into my computer. I have like headphones on. I need someone to help with all this poo poo. I'm like, cackling. I'm like. Oh, you're laughing. I thought you're too scary.

No, no. A toilet. You know me. When I talk, it's pretty much screaming. So. Oh. You have registers. I'm like, I'm like being a weirdo.

And all of a sudden I look over and there's a lady. Oh. There's a little lady in my doorway, looking through my screen door and looking at her phone. And I get up and I go, oh, hi, can I help you? And she's like, I'm looking for Ingrid. And I'm like, oh, that's my upstairs neighbor. Just go around the corner and like go upstairs.

Anybody that's listening, door that's often open. Upstairs neighbor's name is Ingrid. Los Angeles County, which we're triangulating down. a little bit. Anastasia, blood type O, 5-2. 5-2. 5-2? Oh, you're sitting.

Oh, I'm 5-7, actually. Fucking shit. I'm so embarrassed because I'm like, what horrors did this woman witness? Oh, I love it when he's plumbing the toilet. Okay. That's what you look like watching. Oh, everyone's having fun watching my movie.

I was wildly unkempt. That was what she, I heard what she said, yeah. I've got microphones outside of your home. Yeah. What was the unkemptness at play? My hair was crazy. I was wearing little shorts because it was worn. Tanked up and shorts.

That's awful. You freaking. Did you lose your mind? Are you crazy? And the door was open. Yeah. I'm serious. I know.

Where the old ladies can see? Yeah. Ingrid's there, huh? No, Ingrid has actually also come to my door on occasion. and been like, hello? You gotta close that door. A lot of people in your life are very meek. I get, I know, well, it's like they, it's like they meek to get the meek.

I do think it's because they're like, should I knock? Like the, it's just a screen door, you know. I did. I will admit something. I was at, I was at Jacobs. We were both at housewarming at Jacob's place. Tasting all the furniture. Speaking of screen doors, I had a,

drink in my hand and I walked straight into a screen door. You did get out of my head. I've done that before and it hurts two ways. It mostly hurt the one way, which was the pride. Yeah. Spirit damage. You got staggered. Yeah.

I hit my nose straight on before and it hurts so it hurt my- When I'm Pinocchio. Were you telling you fibs? I did have a moment where I walked into Jacob's new place. In your kitchen. on one of the walls is a big mirror. It's like a fully reflective wall with windows next to it. So you're not going to, you know, it's very clearly just a mirror mounted on the wall.

I walk in and for some reason my brain cannot process the fact that it is flanked by two mirrors. I guess I think it's a hallway. And I look into it and I see Eddie having conversation. I went like, oh great, Eddie's here. That's fun. I walk over, I grab a drink and then I turn back and I go like on instinct. Like when a cat sees a mark on a wall and it thinks it's a spider. I just stood there and Eddie is standing next to me because that was his reflection.

And not only that, because I had not yet processed that that's what going on in a full way, I went like, brain. Eddie next to me, his brother must be here. And I, wearing the same clothes. Right. And I said to him, what twins are. They look so much alike. I was mattoe. What?

What up? Waguan, dude. It was a little fuzzy, I was a little sleepy, but it was truly one of those like, this is permanent. This is the amount of cells my brain has left. It's deteriorating. This is not a 2015 Jordan mistake.

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He was very growly. And so as if we didn't give him treat. I took him on a little walk and we got back and he was sulking on the chair and now he's sulking under the couch. I tell you, I'm putting him right back in the basket that the stalk brought him in. He's getting an earful when you get him. I lost. That's true. You're going to tan his hide as my mom would say.

That is extremely. Well, that means she's going to skin you alive. She's going to skin you alive and turn your skin into leather. And turn your skin into leather. She would do that? Okay. I don't want to out my mom, but her threats were, my mom was terrifying. She is to this day.

If you walked in, she's short. She's five, two. That can be scary. She's a tiny Cuban. Because it's like condensed. With big, her hair's way clear. Would she call her like the miniature wife? I would call her the miniature wife on now on peacock.

Now streaming. Her hair, she has like big curly curly. hair. We don't know, but it is helpful to know. I guess. And she would say stuff like, don't make me knock your teeth out. And I'm going to tan your hide. Do you think, don't make me knock your teeth out maybe has like, it's like maybe a little bit less caustic in Spanish? No. It's exactly the same. Okay. In Spanish, it translates to you. I'm going to skin you a lot. Don't make me turn you into a lamp. My mom, I think she came from a, you know,

different times. Like her parents were like actually quite abusive. Right. So it's like she toned it down for us. Right. The sifted. A lot of the dirt got through on the sifting kind of thing. Yeah, yeah.

A lot of terminology, I remember growing up with, because there's a lot of like, you know, a phrase that would be, it would have been found by like Shakespeare and now it's just like matriculated into day-to-day. West country British living. And I remember one, so the classic thing to make fun of people

from the Midlands and the West Country is you go like, ooh are? And that's like being at fun. Like, oh, who are? Go to see my cows. And it's like, okay, well, that is right. Wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry.

Do you make that noise. Are they saying you are? It's a O-O-A-R. It's like. O-O-A-R. O-A-R. It's no, no words involved. Just I think,

because it's the phonetic like R pronunciation. It's just farmer noise. Something goofy would say. It's just unintelligible farmer noises. It is literally, because my whole life I'm just like, oh, that's a good impression of us.

And then I were like, wait, this is just nothing. This is going, be, there. But we made that noise. And then sometimes, if somebody makes that like that little sound to make fun of you, the only thing we would have a deep is go, oh, you are.

And that was like, the back and forth? That was your R slash comeback jokes. That was owning them. Was I doing the thing again? I don't know how that worked. Also, you're right, my honey roast lamb? That's a good one.

Okay, those are so different. It's very affectionate. One is in onomatopoeia, I guess. You are. And the other one is like a kind of a weird tongue-in-cheek joke question work? It's an affectionate like, oh, my honey-roost lamb, you know, it's like somehow. It's very hobbitant. It's very hobbitant.

Dipper's being fed, I think. I love a dip is like Darth Vader where you can hear him breathing. That's how you know his device. Because he's drinking water. He's also seven feet tall. It always sounds like he's knocking over like building blocks or something. Yeah, that's like Lego Tumbo. He's a bit of a Godzilla.

Speaking of disasters, like those of Kaiju and Godzilla, sorry, I'm still trying. I wanted to talk about something because I recently heard. about this, are you familiar with Plex? Yes. It's apparently a company that has a lot of employees. I thought it was like just a little piracy app or something. It's like a private server hosting, right?

Yeah. Well, it's like the front end for your private server. Yeah. My experience with Plex has exclusively been like friends if I was saying like, oh, you haven't watched X anime? I have it on my Plex. I'll just invite you to my place. Don't worry.

I'm the king of the pirates. I'm Monkey D. Loofee. Are. And so we used to work in tech. So we've been on our fair share of company retreats. But our company retreats are like Angel Island for half of a day. Just a different part of the bay. Yeah, like go to a different part of the bay for half of a day.

Get a water bottle that has your name inscribed on it. And then go home. Gilden T-shirt with the company. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little gildon, lightweight or medium perhaps with a thin collar. Want to shrink this fucking thing? Wash it at all. Put it at it.

Look at it. This retreat went bad. Oh, yeah, Wall Street Journal said, said. It's a guy. Wall Street Journal says, Wall Street Journal says, Wall Street Journal will be like, Technology Company Plex took its 120 employees to Honduras for a week-long binding experience.

It was disaster from the moment they arrived. Who's running the website? A week long? Yeah, what the heck? It's like an unnecessary about it. It was probably a workcation, as they call it. Yes, it was a... But the thing is, it is a lot to ask a week from your employees.

Is wild. Like I imagine some of them have kids. Right. I've only seen some of the cliff notes of what were wrong, but I guess we could guess what goes wrong. Well, right now from this image, I'm guessing the beaches of Normandy kind of situation. Yeah, when they decide to leave.

Yeah, it's a regular Dunkirk situation. I think, um, I, I, I, I do think some of these things were not within their control, but one thing that is within their control is it the premise of this experience was they were doing like a survivor. I was going to say, it looks like a tough mutter or something. For the company. I'm a little bit like why did they film this professionally? What the fuck?

Because they thought it'd be cool. Yeah. And while we were looking at that, I'm going to say, if senior executives of the tech company Plex were eager to treat their 120 fully remote staffers to a week long corporate get way in a tropical paradise. I guess because they work remotely. It's like they got a bond. Bond. Yeah. Team building. By making them crawl through sand and get slapped in the face or whatever. The plan for the Honduras trip was simple. Company meetings and team building by powdery soft beaches during the day and island fun at night at the cost of roughly $500,000 to the company.

They'd build the trip around a survivor, like the show theme, with teams and challenges, but it'd be fun, not too physically grueling, and the CEO of Plex of free streaming platform would, well, why is it free? Would play a role similar to that of Survivor host Jeff Probst. But without too much work, cut to footage of Navy SEAL training on the beach. People having to crawl on the beach. Weeping openly, screaming, drowning, and then doing the salute from Force Awakens. Even asking them to do sit-ups? things.

Yeah, I don't, it's like, am I looking at their actual offsite? Because that seems crazy. And why does only one guy have a buff? He's actually on the show. He's actually on Survivor. This source is Moniker Partners, and I just looked that up. Moniker Partners is an award-winning corporate retreat planning agency. Oh.

Oh, so this is at least from one of their corporate entries. Right. Wow. Okay. Are there other images on this? I got to say just kudos. Goodos to the guy who like, and Wilmium, one of the boys. Goodos to the person that edited together

that little montage for continually including the shot where the guy has so much sand on his face he looks racist. Perhaps the executive should have taken it as a sign that just as the first bus of staffers pulled up to the resort, the chief executive was already in his hotel bathroom

experiencing the initial waves of a violent stomach infection. So what I believe happened is he wanted like vegetables and got a salad and immediately got like E. coli. Yeah, you shouldn't eat salad. Don't get the ice. You shouldn't eat salad. It's nerdy.

I'm following. When I went to the Peace Corps, one of the things they told us is... We made it up. It's all war. Eat cooked vegetables. Don't eat fresh vegetables because they often have manure on them from the soil that they were grown in. Yeah. And while some countries have cleaning before sale methods, other countries don't.

Right. What followed was a comedy of errors, including military drills that outpaced anything this group of office workers had in mind, a rogue porcupine, stranded airplanes and one syringe to the butt of an employee. Is this fire fest? This happened in 2017, by the way. But I guess it's just being reported now. When was Firefest? 2019? They're like one piece of cheese, one piece of bread.

I didn't even know about Plex in 2017. Did I? Yeah, wait. So can someone, can you look at the replies to that? Because they're like with a timely report, but I'm like, why is this being reported now? I mean, yeah. I mean, I guess just maybe no one. I'm like, because I'm.

Did someone quit and then talk about it? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it was a seven year long. Yeah, the lawsuits, fine. Finally over. Corporate retreats are generally assumed to be torture or at least with at least a semi-stressful chore, force fun activities, hybrid workplay environments. It's no wonder the new season of jury duty a comedy series, blah, blah, blah, blah,

but in real life, PlexCon, 2017 beats anything on TV. Plexcon, huh? Sad Boys had a bit of a retreat when we all went to the UK together. BoysCon. Boys con. Boys gone, boys only. No girls alone. No girls allowed, except for, well, actually, whatever.

You're allowed. Fine. But we'll pout about it. We just worked during the day and then went out and saw the city at night. We got crazy. I think we were... You killed that guy. If I killed that guy, you mean saw Hamilton.

Oh, yeah, yeah. You watched him get shot and you didn't do anything. This is actually true. They have the guy who's the founder of moniker partners. I guess the founder goes on these as well. Well, maybe he runs it. Oh, runs the retreat. Yeah.

Maybe it's a small company that he's like actually there. The plug's cool, but he's been hanging out for a couple hours. Well, maybe he gets off on yelling at people to do crazy shit. It would be a hard sell for me to imagine this is a plan to go for. But other than that, I do think the things that happened were like not their fault. Yeah. So the founder of Monica Partner says about three weeks before we arrived in Honduras, we got an email from the hotel's general manager that said, I will be departing. I wish you the best with your retreat. Wait, the hotel manager?

I knew something. I have you go like. I knew something was off. Three days later, another email. The head chef was no longer going to be at the hotel. So like became survivor. The fuck? Wait, was this part of the secret plan?

No, this is just like the guy who runs the company that does these retreats. Except three weeks before they knew some shit was off because the hotel manager quit and then the chef also quit. Oh, fuck. Yeah. What the hell are. We are wriggled with E. I feel like you might cancel. Nah.

We already almost got the flights. We already got all the sand to put on your face. Scott Olachowski, 52, chief product officer and Plex co-founder. We get there. We've got to take a bus from the airport. Dirt roads. Okay. That's to be expected.

Whoa. You start getting closer. there are guard towers around the property, people with machine guns and stuff. A lot of people were like, where are we going? Great question. What is going on? For what was it, a party at night, fun during the day, fun beaches? Maybe it's closer to Normandy than we thought. Actually, yeah, we thought this was 2017. It was actually a little while before that. Keith, the Plex CEO. We usually go a day early and we set up. If there's any little thing, we have to get it just right to the employees have the best experience possible. Scott.

Keith woke up the day that people are coming in Sunday morning and he's sick as a dog. Boo-hoo, man. Oh, Annesia, this is to you. Keith says, and it is a little bit boo-hoo. This is a little little CEO brain. Everything there is fried. Basically, people are telling me, don't eat the vegetables, don't eat the vegetables. I was like, I've got to have a salad, just one little salad.

That's where they get you. I got to treat myself. I've got to have one, a little bit of river order. When you're too healthy, it goes all the way around. Yeah. So I got E. coli, which is maybe the worst thing you could get possibly ever. Just the bus were coming in. Probably a bomb would probably be.

They had a doctor come to me. The next day is the Survivor theme kickoff. There's not a person on the planet more excited about Survivor than Keith and his wife. They've watched every single episode. Keith is the dying CEO. Dying CEO. My wife and I met Jeff Probst. Okay.

Why is this a part of it? Oh, he really wanted to do the Welcome to the Island. But here's the theme of the week, but Scott got to do it. Oh, so he's just bringing these people along. to do LARPing. He's doing his little fantasy. Oh, wait. They had, Jacob's been locked in jail by the internet.

And this isn't loading. But the image, they have survivor buffs that say, Survivor Plexcon Honduras. Pretty cool. That's kind of fun to get that as a. That's cool. The other thing that's very funny to me is, and this is going to sound like a 2017 tech company thing.

And you would never guess, but I'm going to have you try and guess. The other thing that's on the thing. So in Survivor, it says Out, Out, Out, Playout Last. I'll play out with out last. I can't remember what the order is. But anyway, Out Blank. So if you were a quirky X-D awesome tech company, OutBlank.

Yeah. Is it also O-O-O-O? It's not O-O-O. I thought it was going to be out of office. Oh, that's so smart. That would have been great. That is so smart. This guy seemed like a genius.

Does he not think of that? Is it like Outcode or something? something. Out computer tech something? Out. Out make the world a better place. I'm just thinking of what things.

Yeah, I know it's out awesome. Oh, God. I know. I knew it would hurt you physically. I knew it would hurt you physically. Out. How we saw?

Out awesome. Oh, my God. And she's eating a bug because instead of, she's eating like a scorpion. There's so much data. Yeah. And because there's like a guy pogging on one side. Everyone's looking in different directions.

How is this even possible? I know it's like a Renaissance painting. It has everything. The Fibonacci sequence of these. Yeah, yeah. The gold generation. Oh, that looks kind of cool, actually. Can we print that?

The opening Survivor thing was a contest where people on different teams open up a platter and you have to eat what's on the platter. So that's an old school survivor thing. That's more of a fee effect to kind of like. That was around the same time. Yeah, it's like it is a thing that happened

on Survivor a lot in the early days, pre-fear Factor, just because Fear Factor came out in the later part of the 2000s. And I think Fear Factor might have even been born out of- Taking those types of challenges. I think Joe Rogan would copy someone like that? But this was like in Survivor Season 1 this happens, for example. And but it's a company retreat. Like I need, I remind you, it's supposed to be fun, chill, survivor theme, not like

survive, we're doing Survivor. I bet it win a million dollars at the end if I'm doing all the stuff. If I were designing a comedy retreat around Survivor, I would kind of stick more to the puzzle stuff. Yeah, the games and the- I would stick more about. Finding an idol. If I'm having like a survivor birthday party, I'm sticking to the iconography. Yeah. Well, and you also, we do it here. So this guy's like, it's probably going to be something bad. When I opened up the cover, it was a dead tarantula.

So I'm not doing that. Yeah. Here's a thing. Are you warning this? Okay, if you can fire me, I sue you for so much money. Jacob's just warning us for the next sad boys. What is the waivers that they had to sign? I probably wouldn't sign those waivers out of fear of what I was signing away. Maybe it's like bundled in with their initial contract.

It just does like, and by the way, you have to go to bug. I'm a Texan, so I've been around tarantula's my whole life. I never knew what it was, never eaten one. My team was just like, if you don't want to do this, you're totally fine. We can take the loss. And I'm like, yeah, but now I don't want to introduce. You feel like you're letting your team dance. He's like, I just grabbed it and did it pretty horrible, not going to lie, those hairs.

But I mean like the whole like that, I don't know. A team building retreat to make teams feel isolated and like they're letting each other down and stuff. They should have just had like improv groups. They should have done puzzles and improv and they should have done like whoosh or whatever. Yeah, like kind of like escape room vibes. You know? I don't know. I'll tell you what, they should have gone and sit a movie and they're gone home.

This is so crazy. So yeah, this is told through just people. It's just quotes of things that happen to people. There's a quote that says this is not a super fit group in general, which is very funny. They're also all white. You. Not that that matters because I don't see color. But I hate race.

I only see the lack of it. Just kidding. Just kidding. Keep it out. Kidding, kidding. It's okay. One of our biggest mistakes was hiring, this is the CEO, was high. hiring a former Navy SEAL to pump up the team.

Oh, God. As I'm in my room dying, I can hear them out there doing their drills and yelling. So I'm out there thinking, this is terrible, but it sounds terrible out there too. Bro, if the podcast industry over the last 10 years has told us anything, it's that ex-Navy SEALs are the most asinine, annoying motherfuckers on earth. They're going to start talking to me about like Angel Studios movies and Black Rifle Coffee. I do not want you patronizing me while I eat, like, cow testicle or something on a beach. I if you are not in the Navy SEALs

I don't want to fucking hear about it And if you were in the Navy SEALs I don't want to fucking hear about it Was it beast games where they had the seals hunt them In the jungle for a bit? I was just a Mr. Beast video Oh it was just a beast video They did that on Beast games

Oh yeah when they did the pirate ship puzzle also They had them with Yody Because he has a video called like I hired people To hunt us on a private island or whatever Yeah that makes sense They have a brief on beast games And they just immediately lose so they go back to a different puzzle?

They're like to like the lying one or whatever. I did just look up on Wikipedia what was going on in Honduras at this time. And in 2017, they had an election that was very close and hotly disputed. And there was like some... Not big, but a slight civil unrest.

Do you think that's maybe why some of them were leaving? I don't know. It could have just been that this hotel was like poorly managed. This annoying cracker turned up and started getting, having diarrhea in our master room. So I decided to leave. Oh my lord. We're doing army crawling on the beach.

It was 100 degrees. I bailed. These are different accounts from people. I bailed out partway through. I went into the ocean just to cool off. I went in probably on all fours because I was so tired. This is not a fit group in general. The ex-Navy seal is like, we can tone it down.

No problem. We get up there and it's hot and humid. People are passing out. I don't think he'd ever seen quite such an unfit group. We ended on, I guess, what's probably a golf course. I mean, there's just normal people. It's just, it would be a... They're just not doing this all the time.

The weird thing. This Navy SEAL is typically doesn't work with... They're so unfit. They're office workers. Also, people on Survivor pass out in similar conditions. He's just... That's the thing. It is a very fan thing to do is...

make the, it's like people that didn't like the last Jedi. I'm like, we'll just make it. Give us a million dollars, we'll make it. It's like, I like Survivor. I'll do it. With 120 people. Oh, they died? On command, everyone had to hit the grass.

Like, I guess drop down. I don't know. Hold down B till you go prone. Yeah. We're pretending we're Navy SEALs, but I happen to land in the wrong spot. I'm just like, oh God, what's happening? And I was sitting on a fire ant hill. Oh!

I was wearing shorts. Cartoon character. Slipped on a banana. appeal? It's like because in Survivor, they, they do a lot of pre-work to make sure all of these things are like, okay. Yeah, like, oh, this looks good. And then, it's actually in Scorpion Canyon.

Oops. Yeah. It's in Scorpion Canyon. We should have known. The medical area didn't have any regular antihistamine. Huh? So they're like, oh, we can shoot some in your butt cheek. Okay.

Well, that is more normal than I thought. Yeah. Someone saw an alligator on the golf course. To surprise us, they made 100... They did a zoo? To surprise us, they made 100 cupcakes with the wrong company logo. Fun. That's...

Surprise. It is a surprise. Also, there's more than 100 people. I told my staff buffet-wise, make sure that you go out and you cut the chicken in half and you cut the beef in half because it was coming out uncooked. Make sure to try the salad. The kitchen was trying to rush out food.

because they'd never served 100 plus people in one go. And their chef is gone. Their head chef is gone. The CEO's cooking. So I imagine the head chef would have known how to do these things. Try the lukewarm salad bar. Give it a swim. No dressing.

I remember the steamed vegetables that came out one day. It was literally just boiled vegetables. They flopped into a catering thing. All right, relax. You're eating tarantulas. Yeah. Fine. More bugs then.

Could they be rude? People's showers, water and electricity kept going off during the day. Let me go home. I'm going home. There was a heat wave that week. I don't know. I know it's the power dynamic of an office environment and stuff like that. I just, look, when I worked in tech, I was reliant on that company for even being allowed to stay in the country.

And I would leave this event. There would be zero fucking hesitation. They should have medevac to everyone home. Like if they heard their Achilles or something. Also, I kind of feel like, you know, if you've never traveled much and then you go to Honduras. Open drowned. For the first, you know, that's like your first. And you're going to like secluded beach resort area?

Yeah. No phone signal. Yeah. Actually, to be honest, if I hadn't ever left the country. before and I did this vacation. I'm like, fuck this. Yeah. I'm going to Seattle or something.

I'm never going to abroad again. It's like, yeah, they probably should have prepared them a little bit better. My concern, I guess, actually overall, this would, if you and me were on this retreat, do you think it would be an issue that, because the Navy's, the Navy's, the Navy's he'll be like, I don't, I can't teach them anything. Right, right, right, right. He'd be like, crawl. And then we'd do the best crawl he's ever seen. He's like, fuck. His nose would start bleeding.

Nuddy? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he'd be like, drop to the ground like this and I'd be like, fire ants. And he'd be like, oh, you pass my test. And then the fire ant, for some reason, start attacking him as if he commanded them. I realize I'm like a ant bender. Yeah, you roll your eyes back in your head. You're kind of ant man.

But not in the way you think. I'm wearing Christian Bales suit from equilibrium. And I'm doing gun carter on the beach. And I'm Master Chief and I'm John Wick. I was trying to put out fires all day. I wasn't hydrating. and that's a term. Put out fire ants.

People are solving problems all day. I was trying to put up fires all day. I wasn't hydrating. And so each afternoon I would start having these heart palpitations. They had to call an ambulance and hook me up to an ECG machine. They were like, sir, you need to slow down your stress is the body to the maximum. Is the CEO again? No.

The CEO's Keith and this is Sean S-E-A-N, not to be confused with Sean S-H-A-W-N. We had golf carts because the place was so spread out. The trees and the vegetation were beautiful, but they were blocked. by the solar panels on our path, so the lights only were for about 30 minutes at night. Oh, my God. Has no one. The rest of the time,

the rest of the time, it was completely dark. That's not, that's not like, because the hotel manager is in any, but that's the sun. The sun happened every day. You'll never believe this. Um, this is Rick's story. Rick is a senior software engineer.

He's 53. One night while I was sleeping, I heard a crash in the room. I thought something must have fallen over. I'll deal with it in the morning. The next day I got up and went over to get in the shower and there was a porcupine. It must have climbed a tree

and fallen through the ceiling. It looks kind of soggy. Is he having a shower? That's the fuzziness of the, the humidity and the window. The sweat. Or maybe it's behind a mosquito net. I think it's behind the shower glass shower.

It's shower glass thing. Yeah. You can see Sean. That's Rick. It's Rick. It's Rick. But yeah. You can see Sean.

I can tell by the leg. I can see Sean, people. Oh my God, look at it. He's cute. He comes like all the peeps. And then Scott chimes in. I think it might have been a Mexican hairy dwarf porcupine. They are native to Honduras.

That's like what Anastasia would say. That was what I would say. Yeah, it would be like, relax. I'm talking about the one that fell through my story. Which one said that? Sean. Uh, Rick. Okay.

I'm all about it. Oh, I know. So, sorry. That was Sean. No, sorry. Scott. Jesus Christ. So the train is leaving.

Boston at 321. Why are these all like 80s names? Rick, Sean Scott? They're all 53. What the hell's wrong with these guys? The hotel pretty much got the porcupine and left. I guess for me it was a good thing because I'm not a talkative software engineer.

It's a beautiful resort. There are sand fleas. They had to fumigate every day. What? Was it a comma? It's a beautiful resort. It's a beautiful resort. There were sand fleas.

Oh, okay. One of my favorite things was the sand fleas. No, this is the fluctuation. That's awesome. Three unrelated comments. We had a nice dinner down by the beach and everyone got bit by the sand fleas that weren't supposed to be there. We all got matching tank tops. We took a bunch of plane.

I go cholera. What is this? We took a bunch of planes to an island called Utila. A bunch of planes. Why are they? It's just like, I don't know. Why are they going to a second location? That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, with this tree. Why is it so elaborate? The people there are huge. fans of American baseball. Our hurricane destroyed their baseball field and we donated money to restore the field. Keith throughout the first pitch. That is sweet.

Is Keith Thursday? Were they doing, they weren't building it. It had already been built. Yeah. Is that Keith by any chance in the center there? I don't know because he's supposed to be like 50. Oh, maybe.

T.O. Keith. Yeah. So interesting because there's actually a Utila Spiny Tail de Iguana. That's specific. to that island. Well, that's not a porcupine. So keep it to yourself. Your laptop is turned off. Why do you know that?

You're pretending to look at it. Oh, that's interesting. What did you say? You're staring at a piece of stone. Put your tablet. A stone tablet. No, she's coming with more commandments again. Okay, so they were having a nice day. They're in the water hanging out, having beers, and they're like, okay, we need to start heading back. The island has a very small airport. We were running this airlift, like small propeller

planes with eight seats, trying to get more than a hundred. people back to the mainland before twilight hits because then they won't have lighting on the runway like that's in it and so this this guy sean who is not an air traffic controller is standing on the runway going okay let's go next plane next plane one of my colleagues who is now one of my best friends she and i were like we'll be the last one's there's so much flavor in these you know what I mean my favorite color is red anyhow I go bitten on the face by a pocket they have endemic willed beast. One bit my nose off.

And also, the salad was not that good. It may be poo. One of my colleagues, who's now one of my best friends, she and I were like, we'll be the last ones on the planes.

We don't mind. We didn't make it. Two of the planes didn't take off. This is their bonding experience, I guess. Maybe another. We get news. Actually, we're not going to be able

to fly you back to the mainland tonight. At this point, my anti-histomies have started to wear off, and I'm itching uncontrolled again. They're looking for a doctor

on the island to hook me up with another shot. I'm writhing. This woman in a hot pink shirt says I have the antihistamine. She puts a line into a vein on the top of my hand so she could administer it.

And I'm like, I hope she's a doctor. What the fuck? And? Guys, there's nothing we can do. We found some beach hotel and drink beers all night. Okay. This probably sounds a little better, honestly. That sounds not bad.

Oh, that's the end. I, some name right about Keith. I mean, I feel like this is like was maybe too ambitious and fell up. It's a thing you should do with your friends that are into the same shit as you. You should never make your co-work. 100 employees.

Imagine if Jeff Probst would catch some bodies if he did that. A hundred people on Survivor? There'd be a couple casualties for sure. A hundred is crazy. They do not have enough staff. Survivor has a staff of like a bazillion people off camera making sure that every in medical staff and safety swimmers and like people who are making sure that nothing goes wrong. Always British guys.

And they have 20. anti-contestants usually. This is so like, when you wear, when you have a tucked-in button shirt, a t-shirt under it, and you wear a windbreaker, and you're a white guy, you're allowed to get away with this kind of stuff in a way that's like,

Butterfingers, whatever could have happened. If like, this is just dorky nerd lopping, and if I set up like a D&D game and then all of my players got cholera, it would be in trouble, let alone if I was right, running a company. But this guy gets to like, do a little smile and be like,

the will of the markets, huh? I think Survivor cosplay or like tough outdoorsy cosplay is kind of part of tech culture. Yeah, definitely. Because like Burning Man, our office was empty. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I have the endurance to handle real world things

when they are perfectly catered and lined up in a nice linear sense. When I bought, I got my camping lot. So Sam Olman had a, uh, iconic New Year's party at his... Were you there? No, I write about it in this article. Oh, tell us about the article. Okay.

Transition. Wait a minute. It's your diary. I read about it in this article, computers off. It's dead. He actually had a rare hairless naked mole rat. So for those of you who don't know, there's a New Yorker article written by Ronan Farrow.

Right of Pharaoh. Famed. And journalist. Investigative journalist. One of the key people who broke the Me Too stuff. And like Hawaiian scene stuff. Yeah. Like with Me Too, obviously.

Yeah, exactly. And it profiles Sam Altman. Well, he's a Nepo baby, so. He is a Nepo baby. That's true. He's the alleged Nepo baby of Mia Farrow and maybe Frank Sinatra. Yeah. So he when he was born was told, that his father was Woody Allen,

and he looks exactly like Frank Sinatra. I found my decision. I'm like, make it Frank. In there was Frank Sinatra Mia Farrow, like thing. So she dated Frank Sinatra right before dating Woody Allen, and she actually has said she would cheat on Woody Allen with Frank Sinatra. That's what I. Let's just say it's Frank Sinatra.

If I have a kid and I've got to give them one of the time, it's also he just looks straight up like Prince Sancho. Yeah, if you look at Ronan Farrow, you're like, Woody Allen is not your dad. Like, okay, every other weekend you're going to go and spend time with your dad and his daughter wife. Oh, my God. Chris. Well, yeah, he is completely cut ties with Woody Allen. And Sam Altman is the CEO and founder of Open AI. Yeah.

And controversial. because he, a lot of people don't remember this, had been ousted attempted to be ousted from OpenAI at one point due to being unfit to lead, but we don't really know. So that's what a lot of this article is about. Ronan Farrow got access to a lot of documents, including people's personal journals. Dario Amadee is now the CEO of Anthropic,

a rival AI company. but was one of the early Open AI employees and is actually known for... And I started as a nonprofit. Yeah, so actually, starting in the beginning of this, Sam Olman had a company called Lute, I believe. L-U-T-U-T-O-O-O-P-T, that's like the company he exited for like 40 million or something. It was like his first exit. Even going back as far as looped, he was very young and people kind of thought of him as like a very smart guy. He was in Y Combinator.

It is a startup accelerator in Silicon Valley. Yes. And is a nonprofit from this article. I think VINN themselves is a nonprofit. But there's like the benefits of the. So the way Y Combinator tends to work is it is a nonprofit. itself and it helps people start startups, but Y Combinator gets percentage ownership. Percentage ownership.

Like they get stake in the company. So profits happen. Oops. What a pain. Oops all profits. So Sam Allman goes to Y Combinator starts looped. Looped is pretty quickly failing. Yeah, of course.

But because Sam Altman is such a likable guy, he has made so many. friends and people who believe in them, he actually ends up selling looped to another company for quite a profit. Yeah. And this is a thing that happened a lot. Ycombinator was more interested in founders than ideas. So like Reddit is a Ycombinator company. And like their initial company that they pitched for Reddit was not Reddit. And then they like, but they liked the founders. And so they still were admitted into the program and stuff. And it's so Silicon Valley brained. because like Paul Graham is the guy that founded White Combinator and he's insane. Like he, he is a person whose tweets I just got,

got mad at for years. Like just like that like after, after getting out of tech and even when I was still in tech, like it, he became an eye-rolley tweeter where you'd see it and you'd be like, okay. There is, be thankful any of you that your first exposure to that type of annoying,

like LinkedIn profile page. style, Avey, and paragraph break statements in a tweet from a, like, pragmatic, patronizing position that's just like, you should actually never have a green smoothie in the morning. That will make you like, be thankful that you're just getting exposed to that now through these freaks. Just confidently. I do think that he has chilled out, but I might have muted him a long time ago. I don't follow him anymore. So it's interesting that you bring up Paul Graham because after Sam Altman's sold Loop,

He wasn't doing anything. I keep hearing lubed. And I pray that's not what it is. It's L-O-O-O-P-T. Not B-E-D. I mean, you can make it that if you want. I'm founding it. We make business frictionless.

So Paul Graham was like so endeared by Sam Altman and his personality. That he just said, hey, I actually want to step down from Y Combinator. I'm essentially retiring from this position, not from work in general. I want you to take over. I've been looking for a haunted doll to take over my business day to day. Just handed him this like position and didn't realize that he was kind of handing Sam Altman a lot of power. Because Sam Altman then started handpicking these people and companies that essentially he could just invest in. Sam Altman's not putting any of his own money in it. Right. He's using Y Combinator

to invest in them, but then Sam Altman is getting personal stake in the company. Elon actually doesn't even have any money. How does that even work? Is he like gifting himself the... This is a good question. This is like a how did Jeffrey F. Singh get rich type question. I mean, I think it's at a certain scale, it's just social equity. Like you are just such an impossibly valuable asset that you just get a house on spec? Yeah, but I'm like, just like, because Y Combinator, it's just like, from a legal standpoint, like how do you do this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Altman oversaw a period of aggressive expansion, growing YC's roster of startups from dozens to hundreds, but several Silicon Valley investors came to believe that his loyalties were divided. An investor told us that Altman was known to make personal investment. investments selectively into the best companies blocking outside investors into these white combinator. Did he know or he's just big slip-up? Oh.

Oops. Altman denies blocking anyone. Oh, okay. Altman had worked as a scout for the investment fund Sequoia as part of a program that involved investing in early stage startups and taking a small cut of any profits. When Altman made an angel investment in Stripe, a financial service startup, he insisted on a bigger portion. Gawling. Gawling.

Let's get Grammally going at the New York Times or the New Yorker, sorry, of course. A person familiar with the deal said, the person added, it's a policy of Sam first. So even at Y Combinator, it was very clear he was using his. position to his own gain. That's so funny. Around 2010, he made an initial investment of $15,000 in Stripe at 2% share. A 2% share in a company. That is that that is saying that 15 times 50 is $750,000. Now Stripe is worth $150 billion. Also, in 2012, I emailed the founder of Stripe, Patrick

Collison and asked him for an internship and he responded to me for a two percent to get the company. What did he say? He said that he has no doubt that I'll be successful, but I'm too green or something like that. It was actually quite nice, but you're a little too brown for us. Yes. So do you want to know how much money Sam made? Yeah, how much? Three with nine zeros.

Three billion dollars. And that's just one company of many that he was. Stripe $15,000 if I could get it at fucking 2% share. Yeah, fuck it out. Shit. I would actually be willing to make that much money. People start noticing this. He's getting complaints.

Hey, do you have billions of dollars? I think I just noticed. Some people at the office have been noticing, you've been wearing gold suits. And just that he's like, he's like power hungry. Like he's, he's kind of wielding his power handily, you know? And so, hey, give me that. is no longer in control. And he says in this article, Ronan Farrow interviewed him for this article, I had no authority to fire anyone.

But I told Sam, you need to step down. Like, this is not okay. You can't do this. Prevention's the only cure on this one. So then what happens is Sam does step down as the president or whatever they called him before. King. But now he's a like majority board member. So he's still.

And it may a billionaire. He claims he has nothing to do with Y Combinator anymore. But everyone's like, no, like if you look at like public tax information, he still is listed as a chairman or something like that. Nah, I wasn't even there. I was doing something else. So it's like saying, yeah, I'll step down as president. but then putting some puppet in place. But then just like hanging out at the White House.

I will say that Paul Graham tweeted about, since there's yet another article claiming that we quote unquote remove Sam because partners distrusted him, no, he didn't. It's not because I want to defend Sam that I keep insisting on this. It's because it's so annoying to read false accounts of my own actions. He just, that's new. But he is retweeting something from 2024 where he's saying people have been claiming YC fired Sam. That's not true.

Here's what actually happened. For several years he was running both. YC and OpenAI. But when Open AI announced that it was going to have a for-profit subsidiary and that Sam was going to be the CEO, we specifically Jessica told him that if he was going to work full-time on Open AI, we should find someone else to run YC. And he agreed. He, if he said he was going to find someone else to be CEO of OpenAI so that he could

focus 100% on YC, we would have been fine with that too. We didn't want him to leave just to choose one or the other. But still, like... I think the article... doesn't say they fired him. Yeah. It says they asked him to step down. Yeah.

Through interviews with a bunch of other people. They interviewed so many people for this article. I also trust Ronan Farrow's reporting more than most journalists. He's like, there seems to be reasons that were not made public. Yeah. And from these other employees and startups, this is what we gathered. Yeah. It's so funny just to think of like, I know it's because we're seeing it through the

lens of how eerie and unlikable annoying Sam Altman is now, but it's just funny to think of a world where he's just so incredibly charming. No, but I do actually think in the tech world, he is a charming manipulator. I think if we worked with him or like personality types like that, you get like the secret buff where because you're so low key but successful, Everyone's like, oh my God, I love Stephen. He's so, his vibe is like so fun, you know, he's so chill. Colleagues of Sam's at Y Combinator were also interviewed for this article.

And several of them said that Graham told them, Paul Graham told them, Sam had been lying to us all the time. Oh. That they actually caught him in a bunch of really big lies about how he was running Y Combinator. Do with that what you will. Me? I'd do something with it. Well, you could. So meanwhile, he's running Y Combinator.

He's also best buds with Elon Musk because they both were tweeting a lot about how scary AI is. Right. So back in the day, both Sam and Elon are like, AI is so scary. I can't believe Google, because Google was the kind of first company that's like, we're going to really run with this. and make a for-profit situation out of it. Crazy how far behind they fell. Because they're like kind of trailing in that. Elon and Sam Altman are like,

we've got to do something to stop this. So they start a nonprofit called OpenAI. And they actually started kind of under Y Combinator. And they start doing something not unusual for, Silicon Valley, I think. They later beef, but I don't know. They later beef and Elon has a very dramatic exit from Open AI. God, it's so funny that he was being the hundredth richest person in the world,

I think is worse than being like the 105th. Because like to be right at the bottom of the leaderboard, as opposed to just like, I'm just, you know, I'm rich, but I'm not in the like. But now he's number one, baby. Yay. Yeah, we win. In 2015, he was just the hundredth richest person. He only had 90 children.

So they start open AI and they go around telling all these very smart AI experts in the field. Hey, come work for us because we're the good guys. We want to stop big companies like Google from. creating this thing that can't be stopped. And we want to work on AI and specifically work on the safety net part of it. Yeah. So that it doesn't get out of control. That's how I originally heard about Open AI.

Yeah. And I think most people did. They were like, oh, thank God. Yeah. Open AI. Also be very wary of people who call themselves the good guys. I interviewed when I was a no nothing 19 year old. I interviewed with Palantir.

and they describe themselves as the good guys. Yeah, we're keeping us all safe. They're wearing stormtrooper uniforms. Like, oh, okay, cool, man. What's this salute you guys keep doing? Yeah. Looks pretty cool. So the whole time that Elon and Sam Altman are being scared on, like, publicly,

they're using a nuclear weapons analogy. Analogy. Okay. So then they start telling people, we're starting our own Manhattan project for AI. Right. That was their proposal where we need to gather the smartest minds in the world. Famously the good guys. Right?

Why use that analogy because everyone in the Manhattan Project later regretted it. But they also imagine the U.S. is the good guys. And so it's like in the U.S. did this because that's what the good guys do. I guess if you isolate what it led to, if you just went like, it was nice. We all got to do science at science camp together as friends. and then nothing happened. Here's a quote from the article. Picking up on the analogy to nuclear weapons,

he proposed a Manhattan project for AI. He outlined the overarching principles that such an organization would have. Quote, safety should be a first-class requirement. Obviously, we comply with slash aggressively support all regulation. And he and Musk settled on the name Open AI together. We're the good guys and we'll do all that stuff that you asked for. It's very funny to be like, we want someone other than Google to do this first because like, I don't know.

So then I'm going to just fast track this. Essentially, the board that they compile, they're all equals. There's no one that's really like, quote unquote, in charge. It's a family. A lot of these AI companies do that. But then Elon and Sam. start thinking we should really have a CEO. And the board is like, no, we shouldn't

because one of our number one concerns is that whoever owns the AI that goes AGI is going to become an AI dictator. And- That's funny. I realized- AGI stands for artificial, generalized intelligence, by the way.

It's just the funniest idea. I know that we created this rebel force to take down the empire. free the galaxy, but now we should have a Sith emperor. Yeah. I just thought we should have a king. Oh, you know what? I'm actually really good.

I'm actually, I have a lightsaber right now. And it is red. So maybe I'd, I'll just sit in the chair. Ooh, comfy. It actually fits my butt perfectly. Oh, third death star question mark? So Sam Olman and Elon Musk are, they both want to be CEO. They're fighting between the two of them.

No, I want to be CEO. No, I want to be CEO. He's like the CEO of 900 companies at that point. And the board is like, no, neither of you are a CEO. Like, what are you doing? There are a bunch of people who bring up, uh, including, um,

Dario Amadeh. And Elia. Toporo. Oh, Ilya, uh, Cirquever or something. Yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about. He's the one who, who was the person who, allegedly turned on Sam and Ilya oh uh sutskiever or actually i don't know how to let's say it i don't know yeah but so all of the board is frustrated with what feels like a

turn into the direction that they were avoiding from the get-go right but both elon and sam are repeatedly saying like if someone's going to make money off of this it should be us to the board Because we're the good guys. And the board is starting to be like, yeah, you're right. Okay, maybe we should have a CEO. They're kind of changing minds. Have you guys considered making it, you know what's cooler than a billion dollars? A trillion dollars.

Oh, you know, it makes it an interesting point. So then it's looking to kind of be in Sam Altman's favor. So Elon Musk throws a tantrum and leaves. And he's like, this is bullshit. I wanted to be CEO. And you're all backing Sam Altman. So I'm out of here. They had a big.

Elon Musk said that. I know, can you believe that? Didn't he provide productive fever? It is, this is a weird situation where I'm not sure which is worse, but I do think that like, Elon's already rich enough that like, I'm like less worried about his desire to earn more money. Yes, yeah. But.

I know that he just wants his name on a placard. Right. I mean, literally. It probably would not be different. Also, they're like mega-dumer mode. Like, all been predicted that an artificial super intelligence. a theoretical threshold beyond even AGI, at which machines would fully eclipse the capabilities

of a human mind, would eventually create enough economic benefits to, quote, unquote, capture the light cone of all future value in the universe. Yeah. Which is like, that is the equivalent of like how a company that, like if I'm a tech company that sells hot dogs, I can't just sell hot dogs.

I need to be the hot dog supplier for the world. Yes. We will revolutionize hot dogs. Hot dogs for everyone. You're just eating them. Yeah. Are you crazy? Are you crazy?

See, no, I'm metabolizing them into base nutrients. I'm blasting out biofuel. And I'm creating, yeah, honestly, it's a, it's the miracle of childbirth, but with hot dogs. So then, um... Oh, and then they said that the government, it might cause national security implications so dire that the U.S. government would take control of opening eye, perhaps nationalizing it, moving its operations to a secure bunker in the desert. Okay. That's a fun bit of flavor. Why the desert?

Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's sort of like, oh, you're just like movies. Because Manhattan Project. I don't know, because that's where they were testing atomic bombs. That's where the aliens were. They were hiding it. So. Sorry.

But, sorry, Anastasia. If the aliens are in Area 51, and I'm the government from the area guys, moving them. Remember when Trump said that aliens were real and we forgot yesterday? We forgot like immediately. Every time someone in the government says aliens are real, You got to look around in other parts of what they're doing because they are just using it, I feel, as a way to distract us. Matt Gates had the most, I recommend people go and look it up. Not Matt Gates in general.

Yeah, I was like, where are you going? But he had the most psychotic rant about, like, claims of, like, alien life. Right now, within the state government, he, he, I was going to say he fell off. He was already on, to be honest. with you. I think he started low for me. I think he's a bad bloke. Okay. Oh. Lots of tape. I disagree

with the rest of you. I think Meggates is a bad person. Okay. Interesting. I think Elon Musk's a bad bloke. Wow. Licking news. Okay. So Elon leaves. He's like, they have a big, um, uh, I'm going to go off to Tokyo. They have a big court thing. Oh, trial trial. A big court thing. Look, I'm tired. Okay. I'm, yeah. So then.

They have a big trial. And Elon Musk is separated from the company. And he's like, I'm going to start XAI. Meanwhile, everyone's like, okay, Sam, we're going to make this not a nonprofit. We're taking it. We're going to make it some kind of non-nonprofit. Some sort of profit company. Remember how I said it was created under the Y combinator's nonprofit?

So they're like, we're actually going to just kind of take it and move it into a private company, but we're still going to have the Open AI non-profit. It's now called the OpenAI Foundation. It's so good. All this shit ever is, is moving and shaking and jogging, where you're just like, okay, of course. Yeah, no, I would never do that. Oh, we made a second.

It is funny because they spin out a division of the company that's for profit. Okay, so it's for profit. Well, this section is. There's actually only one guy that works there. Now, we email with him every day. We do work with them. Well, Google is a nonprofit because they've got the, Google Foundation.

That's right. But they're like, okay. Give a dollar to me. We have a jar that we put money in if anyone swears and then we give it to the first person we see outside. So we don't pay taxes. So we don't pay any taxes. They're like, Sam, just to make sure we're for profit now, you're the CEO, but.

As a remind. We're still aligned on the whole idea that human values are first, that we're not going to make. We're going to really safety net this so that nothing bad can happen. I don't remember talking about that. Sorry, my name is Altman. I want the alternative to me. I am Doc Ultman.

Yeah, I am Altman. He's going to Alt. No, not Shift guy. Oh, you shift. And one thing that I thought was really funny is Dario Amadeh pepped very detailed notes on Sam Altman and someone else named Brockman, who's also on the board. But Brockman is just an Altman puppet. it, you know.

So, Dario Amadeh was like keeping detailed notes on their behavior for years in a file called My Experience with Open AI, Parentheses, private do not share. That is awesome. Oh, geez, I almost. But yeah, he wrote that Altman's goal was to build an AI lab that would be focused on safety. That's just a burn book. That's just gossip. 200 pages.

That's just a rant. A. I love that would be focused on safety, maybe not right away. But as soon as it can be. We'll get to it. I just, for the life of me, can't remember what I plan was. Was it monopolize the government? It might have been. Is it replaced art production?

That's the funniest the civil populace. That was it. I completely forgot. It's making a nuclear bomb. There's all these cartoons that are. Well, yeah, no, it's talking about how Google was going to send off. offers to poach people because this happens in these big AI arms. So they offered Ilya $6 million a year, which is interesting.

Yeah. And I see the caption on this hilarious comment. You dogs on a bed. I'm just saying if we tear up the pillows and rip up the mattress, it might make our place look more lived it. That rules. And then they're dogs. I look at you, Ollie.

They're dogs. Because that's like the business. That's Dipper on my bed right now. They're dogs, but they're also homeowners. Okay, Ilya starts realizing he's lying to the board. He'll tell one person, one thing, and then tell the board something else. Bro is so desperately trying to get played by Jesse Eisenberg. It's like, I'm interesting.

And he's lying to pull people in because he'll tell people like, hey, we want you to head up this safety division. And then they get there and they're like, where's the safety division? It's over there, but actually work on this other thing. Oh, it's funny. Safety division? Yes, it's actually called the weapons division. Oh, I should have looked under the net.

It's called secret. Do not share. So he's kind of lying to everybody. And Ilya feels like it's manipulative. Starts talking to other board members and is like, what do we do about this? like we have evidence that he's lying to everyone. And he clearly just is trying to make a sellable product. He's no longer following the mission of how we originally created this.

The board people he talks to, they all agree, we need to fire him. Sam Altman is in Las Vegas at the time. They call him and they say, hey, you're fired. And Sam Altman immediately flies back to San Francisco and he's like, gathers his best buds who work for open AI. He's like, what do we do? We've got to think tink this. We've got to figure this out.

And he comes up with kind of a genius PR ploy to talk to his connections at Microsoft. At this point, Microsoft has a large $13 billion investment in the company. To help fight against dangerous AI. Like Sam Altman is the charismatic guy who got Microsoft. to invest and pulled in all of these smart AI people and even half the board, right? So then he has all these people on their side. He kind of convinces Microsoft, hey, say you'll pull out if I'm not the CEO. I mean, he doesn't say it like that.

He's more charismatic than me. Please don't say that about yourself. That's very cruel. He's very charming for San Francisco, but, you know, if you put him in like a room with two He's a business. He's like, worked in retail. He'll crumble. He's the kind of guy that can like talk you into investing in his company.

It selects for a very specific type of person that doesn't, isn't like a real world person. It's a person that can can massage the billionaire class of investors. Well, and many, many people have said, many people who are smarter about AI, who know more about AI, have said, him o'mman doesn't know that much about AI no he's just a charismatic business man i do think there's like a reverse impact for like in that environment i think there's something to like riding the uncanny valley between kind of boring like kind of detached and kind of out but forward and with a little voice time because it's like well this guy's so fucking boring he must be good at what he's talking Also, he can convince you that he is a super smart tech guy with his kind of slightly boring.

He must be good at computers because he's ugly and boring. And he'll say stuff like in the article he says to Ronan Farrow, oh my God, decision fatigue is actually really real. That's why I wear a gray sweater and slacks every day. And it's like, no, it's not. That was a decision you made to have a costume like speed jobs. No one can do this anymore. We cannot keep having this conversation about wearing the same hoodie every day is more efficient. So it's not showering.

I feel like there's going to be like someone's going to finally do the brain scans and be like, oh yeah, it's actually like a different part of your decision center that does the outfits part. Actually not even close. Yeah. It's like, ah, do I want eggs or bacon or fuck? That's not impressive to me. That's not impressive to me. It's such a common refrain.

for guys like this. Like those are the same difficulty to you deciding if we should AI build the nukes or you should wear a red t-shirt. I'd rather work with the guy who knows what to wear. I have feldro shoes

because the leges are too crazy. All right, so what do we do? Do we build weapons of war? I chose my own. Today I don't have it. I burned myself out on one egg or two. Yeah. But that's like the important thing.

Like this is all a performance. Every time he talks to anyone who, interviews him is a performance. If I'm honest, like, he doesn't sound particularly smart. He just talks slow. Yeah. Well, he does the considered pauses, which I think is, it's like a trick.

It's kind of the opposite of Ben Shapiro talking really fast, so he seems smart. It is like, hmm. Because Peter Thiel does the same thing. He goes, hmm, I'll think about that. He's mocking. Is my Sam? Peter Thiel has come up twice now, so I'll just say that Sam Altman met his husband. in Peter Thiel's hot tub.

Hell, yeah. He's just floating around. He scoops on with one of those nets. There's something in the plug. You've come to my home. It's a little compliment. He's a swab. Welcome.

My miniature husband. The miniature husband. Yeah. He lives in the pool. Help me. Help me. I can't swim. He's stuck in the bathtub.

I live here, but I can't swim. There are a lot of rumors that are brought up in this article. about how people, especially his like competitors or whatever, have spread rumors that he like dated teen boys and stuff like that. And he's like, it's not true. And then Ronan Farrow wrote, yeah, we actually have no evidence to support this. And it does kind of just feel like rumors with zero detail that were spread to defame him.

So it's like. Oh, it's a musk. Okay, right. Like don't listen to this. this isn't the criticism we need to care about. There's so much more. But wait, I think it's like, and maybe this is,

I don't know if this is woke or unwoke of me to say, but like Ronan Farrow is also gay. Yes. And I trust Ronan Farrow to navigate this critique of Sam Altman while not engaging in like any of the like homophobic attacks and stuff. Well, I'm just not getting stuck on the like rumories. Right, right, exactly. And that's kind of a, because I, I don't know,

It's maybe like a journalist of like lesser pedigree. I'd have less less, less. Could they probably emphasize it? Faith in their ability to navigate them. Yeah. I agree with him. Even like tangentially connected to Elon Musk. Don't bring out that stuff.

Yeah. Don't bring up that. Don't get into that. So there's another guy on the board who's like really good buds with Sam Altman. And I'm pretty sure his name is Lawrence Summers. The funny thing about the. these accusations. Larry Subbers?

Wait. I could be wrong. No, it is. Oh, it is. Lawrence Summers. I've heard Lawrence Summers before. Wait, I actually know former Facebook CTO, Brett Taylor.

Oh, that's funny. You meant to a helper. Yeah, I went to a dinner once at Quip. He founded this company called Quip. But anyway, but these are what, new board? Oh, so we'll get the perfect. They're OG board people, but they're in Sam Altman. pocket. Like they got brought on by him. And they stayed loyal to him throughout. But the funny

thing about that is Lawrence Summers was in the Epstein emails. A lot. Asking Jeffrey Epstein for advice because he was in love with his very young protege. Oh no. And it's like I actually didn't know what he said in the obscene things that's sucks that's in this article i learned it from this article larry semis says some of the most like same with like a lot of that the bill gates correspondent stuff where it's like oh my god not only are you amongst this cohort but you're also embarrassing yourself like you are already a monster yeah and there are also emails have you been like how do i talk to the one that i like it's so funny that it's so funny that it's says Harvard President Lawrence Summers and not former United States Secretary of the Treasury.

But anyways, I digress. So they, the way, if you ask Sam Altman, which the story of how he got his job back, he's like, we were all hunkered down in my house in San Francisco and I did not sleep. I didn't eat. We had this think tank, blah, blah, blah, blah. But if you ask other people, it's like, he just kind of. manipulated all these other people who had power to convince the board to undo what they did. The biggest issue with this is that like you can't be a nonprofit and then have investors

in all these for-profit companies because like they don't not share the same code of ethics that you share as like the same like the whole reason that you were like we have to do it to be the good guy so that Google can't do it. You can't have Google on your board and then and then use, you weaponize their lack of. But you guys are not allowed to go you guys have to promise to be nice. And it's like Google isn't technically on the board, but it's like, you can't convince me $13 billion from Microsoft isn't effectively the same thing. So anyways, he gets his job back and.

Wow, Sammy got his groove back. The article says that when he became CEO, the board didn't realize that Sam Altman had kind of created his own little secret board. That's kind of how he got his job back. This is like, this is like in Survivor where you like, to win, you only need. a majority on the jury. So you don't need to be elected to be a jury. You only need 51% of the, uh, of the jurors to decide with you.

It's like, I fucking hate you. I was like, yeah. So if you carve out a good group of four in the secret cavernous, uh, frickin conference room, then there you go. I highly recommend reading this article. It is fascinating because there are so many weird, like this is just what, big business is in America and probably other countries, but there's just so many weird backroom deals and people lying to each other and like, Sam Altman had this survivor New Year's Eve

party. No way. At his. There's a survivor connection. One, after I just had Survivor, too, after we just talked up the plane holiday party. So he had a Survivor New Year's Eve party at his Hawaii house. Jeff Proops came and ran a couple little games or whatever. Dude, they probably paid him so much money. Oh, for sure. Especially because it's New Year's Eve. It's like a holiday, you know?

Or maybe Jeff Proops is friends with him. I don't know. But anyways. Say it ain't so, Jeff. I hope it's just money. Hope it's just cash. Please just do it for cash. Some of the people that were there were just like big way. Like it's like he got rich enough that he could kind of woo people with parties at his house and stuff.

A photograph shows a number of shirtless, smiling men. And also Jeff Probst, the real host of Survivor. You know, Jeff Probst had his pockets on. He has his pockets, that, like, weird little strap that goes over his rolled sleeves. That shit never comes off. Cargo shorts. Those pockets stay on. He's a never nude, but for pockets.

If I don't have at least, if every point on my body is not six inches from a pocket, I did utility clothes. Tip to top. Underware. Three straps. This sentence is gross. Altman has also hosted smaller groups of friends at his properties, gatherings that have included in at least one instance a spirited game of strip poker.

A photograph of the event, which did not include Alman, leaves unclear who won, but at least three men clearly lost. That's a good, that's a good zinger from Road and Farrow right there. I also say, I have an opinion about strip poker. I think it is performative in the sense that's like, yeah. It's like doing a keg stance. Like, yeah, we had strip poker. We're so crazy in my place, dude. Every single bottle of Jack Daniels I have, I've kept on a wall lined up so you can see how crazy I am.

So the whole rest of the article goes into detail about how much, you know, Alman has lied. To the point where it's like he is kind of a pathological liar. And he even has said in so many words, he lies to get shit done, to get what he wants. Love survivor. Multiple people. He's thinking about the shit like survivor. Multiple people have quoted him as saying it's not really about money for him, but it is about power.

I think you can, I think once you're in the billy, I think nothing. like it's not really about money like okay it would be if you end of money yeah but i think money is be getting power yeah you know what i mean like that's his ultimate goal like that's why he's doing all of this yeah it's like epstein wasn't rich but he was able to get proximity to power and then the richness came somehow you supersede currency it's it's just yeah and yeah i don't know why everybody was always hanging out with that and he has contradicted himself so much like that interview on jimmy fallon he's like no i i just think i i could figure out a way to give us an infinite source of reusable power.

But then so many times he has talked about how, like within the company, about how it would be really awful if AI takes over the power grid and denies us power. It's like, which one is it? Yeah, I guess that would be bad. And maybe it's neither and maybe it's both. For years, we've been looking for ways to raise my kids.

Oh, my God. That is such a creepy. I don't know how I would have raised my kids. kids without AI. You know what I mean? And I'm like, well, mainly because I'm a husk of a male. My parents weren't able to do it. I think ultimately the thesis of the article is like, don't believe anything this guy says.

And again, I do think he gets a little bit of camouflage from being meek. Do you think that like, hey, you know, who, a little fellow like me? Oh, I wouldn't be able to tell a lie to save a ladybug. Dad, nabbit, Mr. Fallon. I couldn't, I can't arrange my kid. I never did. I never did think I could raise a kid. And now I can't what they are.

I had to look up, what do you do with the poopy diaper? He said, keep it. Well, you're telling all I want is another billion dollars. It's okay. Don't you want to live in a world where we're just all skipping in the sun? Here's the musical guy. I like that this is our impression of Sam Altman now. I'm just a widow guy.

I'm just a little guy. I know day. I'm just a little old football Wait, why's he a chimneys do now? I'm just a little football. I'm just a little boy. All right, well, that was interesting. It's a very long article.

Shout out Ronan Farrell. I love a long, a larticle is what I call it. And it's very detailed and has great comics. Shout out to New York for providing us a fair amount that we read today. If you want more investigative journalism, we do. We record the Subway's Nights first today. That's why we're, it's not just incredible foresight that we're saying these things, but we did a little bit of investigative journalizuan.

By reading, I just read a New York Times piece, and I'm telling you about it. Very similar to what Anastasia just did. But we may also made fun of, it was not written by as competent a journalist. Well, yeah, it's like, it's a journalist that I respected a lot, and I definitely lost some, like it was like when you give a bad dialogue option. Oh, my, I mean. Jarvis hated that. Jarvis hated that.

Jarvis hated that. Jarvis hated that. Is you like, with a little minus? Yeah. It's me getting upset at a journalist. regarding the creator of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto. So we talk about that, and then we also talk about our favorite video game in the world. Final Fantasy 7, don't quote us on that, but we're having a good time.

And I show up. And then Anastasia shows up halfway through. While after reading Hamlet. Again, it's very sophisticated. Very sophisticated episode of Sadboys nights on patreon.com slash Sadboys. Well, well, well. We in every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. We love you.

And we're sorry. We saw we. I hate that. Gucci girl how you doing how you moving girl moving girl how she's delicate that future girl future girl yeah we are now take my money go away all you want it go too rich for me