Sad Boyz - Crying w/ Mayuko

Episode Date: January 20, 2018

On today's episode of Sad Boyz we're joined by fan favorite Mayuko to talk about our experiences with crying also covered in this episode: Jarvis gets in a fight with his neighbor over trash and we have a brand new episode of our podcast within a podcast: Jordan's bizarre and totally vexing social situation of the week? is that what it's called? I have no idea

Welcome to the Sad Boys, episode 4003 for the week of April 2083. I'm Jarvis and I'm joined with a very special guest today. Hi there. It's Jordan from the year 2018. Hey, so happy to be here. Always wondered if the show would keep going. It turned out it did. Thanks for time traveling me here.

It's been so long since I've heard your voice, Jordan. Sorry, what's that? Not since your untimely death in late 2018. Sorry, I died in 2018. Do you have any questions about the future, young man? Yeah, I guess I want to know why I died in 2018. I'm sorry. That's all the time we have.

Podcasts are short now. Wait, but we could send somebody back. You have time travel. Remember to like us on iTunes and leave us a review on Twitter. Does somebody kill me? Is it Jarvis? And as we always say on the Sad Boys, we love you. Please don't let me die.

Boom! Welcome to the Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. And I'm probably Jordan. No one can really be sure. In fact, if you have Jordan's DNA, we would like to perform a DNA test. And if you have my DNA, explain yourself. You know who you are.

Mark. We're joined by a guest today, as you've probably seen in the title of the podcast yeah unfortunately despite our track record and and us doing a pretty good job of not having a guest we did trip up and accidentally get a guest but here's the thing uh we actually just brought her here so that we could say that she's technically in the room but we're never gonna let her speak yes correct stop laughing it's not for the show i'm just the laugh track she's just the laugh track she's just the laugh track just before we started the show the idea of a single person laugh track would make

every show funny yeah let alone the fact that laugh tracks are still a thing apparently it's it is bizarre i mean i love them it gives a certain sense of whimsy when i watch like an old school sitcom and it's just like oh joey ate the sandwich but it's that's nuts that that's like an institution in uh television yeah there's actually a scientific reason for it but before we go into that our laugh track in residence is mayuko yay um and now you make your opening statement that you said you wanted to do for like the first 15 20 minutes yeah you do have like a bound book of 45 pages that just says manifesto in blood where did

you even get papyrus this is insane so sorry please please continue oh hi everyone hi yeah well thanks for having me again on the show i had a lot of fun time i had a lot of fun time i had a fun time in the last michael told us that I had a lot of fun time I had a lot of fun time I had a lot of fun time Maiko told us that she had a lot of fun time and we thought to ourselves we have to have her back on the show no it's really nice to have you back I think the last episode we recorded

oh where are you really from we got heavy that was one of my favorite episodes ever it was a great one Maiko you may know from the internet. You may also know Maiko from your life. That's cool. Like IRL.

If you're unfortunate like us. Like IRL. But no, Maiko is a co-worker of ours, a YouTuber, a social media extraordinaire. Part-time MMA champion. Yeah. Apparently manifesto writer. Manifesto writer. Very large font

because all of those pages just added up to, hi, everyone. Papyrus aficionado. Futurist iOS developer. Would you say hustler? Sure. I feel like a hustler knows.

I don't think it's ambiguous whether or not you're a hustler. Also professional laugh track Yeah sort of Oh yeah professional one person laugh track Yes that is me And one of our very favorite guests Oh thanks

Yeah And the first ever two time guest Yeah It's the first ever two time guest And I think we should just keep this intro going for the next 45 minutes And there's her I'm just a really dynamic person y'all Yeah

In addition to all my laughing So speaking of laughing Our topic today is the opposite of laughing Not laughing At me I make funny jokes Why don't you guys ever laugh at me No

Being mean Our topic today is crying Oh Okay let's all bring it down Yeah no So I don't necessarily think crying is always a bad thing so we are going to talk about the last times we cried maybe maybe our history with it times we've cried when we were happy our propensity for crying in general our propensity for crying in

general like yeah i think um just all things tears we've got tears on the album art so it's about time we discuss them in the show we've got tears we've got fears and we're ready to go before we dive into that maiko how in god's name was your week or really how's your 2018 we're in the first week of 2018 or i guess it has been yeah yeah it's second week of 2018 the second week so if you could break down each day so far so the first day i know i'm just the first day i created the earth on the second day i created a youtube channel at this point there was no light so it was really hard it was very dark sad boys was the eighth day so you know we're in priority but you know i'm here but who's counting i've wrapped up the universe might as well make a mediocre podcast

yeah no my 2018 has been good actually um this year i have been really intentional about setting like my resolutions and i made a video about that yeah so you know the whole like uh accountability stuff is there um but also just yeah every year getting better as a person so where do i go to watch that video? Oh, youtube.com slash hellomayuko. Whoa. Whoa. Is there a way I can illegally stream it so that you don't get a view? No. You can go to my dark channel, goodbye, Micah.

It's where I re-upload all of Micah's videos. Reverse and inverted. And with copyrighted music behind it. It's true to Graham, You get way more views. Every time she says software engineer, I double the speed of the video. And then if you play it backwards, it says John Lennon is dead.

Which is not much of a revelation. We discussed it on the last episode with Maiko. It is still a fact. He is still dead. What a disappointing Easter egg that would be I've played your AIG for three months what's the answer well yeah and the Beatles was a band

how was the rest of it that's day one day one I did all that created the earth you killed John Lennon yeah no it's been really good I've been trying to spend a little bit more time at home and a lot more time sleeping so it's like i'm intentionally trying to allow myself to be a hermit which i think is okay yeah yeah yeah i i don't want to project your reasons for doing that because i'm but i am curious like what inspired you to become more of a hermit? Yeah. So I think 2017 was a year where I was just exploring a lot and really just trying to figure out what the hell is out there in the world.

Right. And so I really left out of my comfort zone a lot of the times. And it was great. I did a lot of stuff that I wouldn't have done otherwise. Yeah, totally. And now that I... Sad voice. Yeah.

One of those things. Sad voice episode. And some things I. Sad voice. Yeah. One of those things. Sad voice episode. And some things I regret. But yeah, I think 2017 was the year that I did that and I realized what I like, what I don't like. And I feel like, you know, it feels like I'm at that point where I'm like, OK, I've done a lot of stuff now, like in my own terms. And so 2018 is like staying consistent with it and also like having a better sense of self I think

so being in tune with myself and my emotions and my physical like feelings and whatever so totally yeah

that's rad how dare you that's also my resolution damn that's practical and healthy isn't that frustrating when you do like what are you doing here

nice oh sorry oh shit it's practical and healthy nice to meet you this isn't practical and healthy boys uh it is it's like a weirdly bittersweet when somebody tells you a new year's resolution and like attitude that's very pragmatic and well put together yeah yeah well that makes a lot of sense i was gonna get really really good at mario odyssey yeah and i was just i was just planning on getting ripped,

but I mean, we're nine days into it, and I've realized that's not for me, because who wants to be ripped anyway? We're nine days deep. I've gained 400 pounds. I do not know how. I don't know how. It's like there's two of me.

Yeah, how are your weeks? Gosh. I've never been- Collectively? Collectively. All right, let's talk at the same time. Our weeks were- Satan is coming back. It was weird how we both, we snapped into the same body for a second there.

Young Travis, how the hell was your week? My week was, it was good. I think this week at work has been like being nervous about some stuff and then becoming not nervous about it and finding some more balance there personally it's uh been a little stressful and it's related to something i've brought up before uh which is the status of trash in my apartment so here here's this here's the situation when i moved into my apartment which is on top of a bar, but that's only kind of relevant. It also has a next door neighbor, like it's a duplex. So when I moved into my apartment, our trash room was already filled with the trash cans of our neighbor and the bar

downstairs. So they told us that it was okay to use our neighbor's trash bins right so we did that for three years and then last week i got a doorbell my doorbell rang at midnight and i was like okay what's this about and it was like an aggressive doorbell ring like yeah really hard yeah and then i i go downstairs and i should mention that like even though we were using our neighbors like trash bins, it was annoying because they had small bins and they were one person and we were four people. And so it's like, we still couldn't throw away everything we needed to throw away. Right. And so I get down, I opened my door, our gate is like swinging open and my neighbor is just like standing with his like arm against

the gate and he's like looking at me and he's like i thought i told you to stop throwing stuff in my trash bins uh well you were wrong you did not do that yeah and it was like it was like was he being very honest he was like i thought i told you to do that and it turns out i'm wrong yeah and then a laugh track played but it's just micah yeah it's just it's just a bunch of over overlaid micahs so so i i'm like okay you must be referring to the passive-aggressive letter that you wrote um which was talking about how he was sad or he was mad that we were using his trash bins and he wanted us to stop but we never really resolved that it was just hey uh i understand that this

sucks for you but like we also have no means of throwing away our trash and um and so i tried to explain this to him but he just like started like talking over me and stuff and like getting really angry and passive-aggressive to the point where i'm just like i like sit down and i like i'm listening to him and i'm just like every point he brings up I like say the thing that is actually the truth and then we like walk out to the oh and he's like oh he's insulting my lifestyle

because I like here's an idea maybe you produce less trash I mean but maybe that's just your lifestyle and I was just like what could that possibly be a commentary on it sounds like because i don't produce a lot of trash but i mean i'm also one fourth of the people in your apartment but like but i'm in my mind you should just produce as much trash as i do maybe he thinks

your lifestyle is being for people yeah yeah i think he thinks my lifestyle is only trying to make his life a living hell yeah what a bad lifestyle yeah yeah more trash yeah it's and so i'm like trying not to i'm trying not to like lose my cool about all these like little nicks that he keeps like throwing at me because it's like i want to reply to each one of them right but it's like very difficult these are snowflakes in the avalanche right yeah exactly and then it's like um so he's saying all these things i didn't do like and then we walk out uh and then we like look at the trash bins and like the trash that's in there and he's like is this yours and i'm like some of it is mine but i it was in the recycling bin and i did not put like regular trash in the recycling bin i'm not like a madman um it's your lifestyle yeah yeah and so and so i'm like i didn't uh put

this in here and he's like so you're telling me that somebody else went and put this in there and i'm like look man uh i don't know sorry that's not a crazy idea it's not it's not it's not i think what happened was that like someone moved my bags out of a different bin because i'd also talked to the owner of the bar about using the thing and like i empathize with everybody here because this is a shitty situation in my like um the property management company just hasn't gotten back to me yet right and uh and so i i talked to the owner of the bar who's like i'm probably using their stuff far more and the guy was like it's okay i'm gonna email them you email them we'll keep we'll keep working on this until it's fixed i'd rather you use our bins and throw the stuff on the floor. And I'm like,

thank you for that. Like mediated response. Uh, uh, this is why I really enjoy this bar. Uh, thank you for that. And then this guy who's got like very tiny bins, he's just like very angry at me. Yeah. And so he's like, Oh, so, uh, I suppose somebody else did this, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, no, I don't think so. First of all, all of this isn't my trash And so he's like, oh, so I suppose somebody else did this, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, no, I don't think so. First of all, all this isn't my trash. And he's like, oh, so that's not all your trash. And then I, at this point, I'm so livid that I rip open the trash bin and I hold up a box that's of 200 sticks of butter. And I'm like, do I look like someone who is it? Like, cause maybe then I get passive aggressive too. I'm like, oh yeah, no, maybe I am eating 200 sticks of butter every day.

That is my lifestyle after all. Yeah, that is my lifestyle after all. I'm like, what? Cause all I'm trying to say is it's more complicated than you think. You're jumping to a conclusion. You're not imagining the situation like complexly. But ultimately I'm just getting really heated.

Where that ended was me trying to explain to him how I'm not a sociopath whose only goal in life is to make his life difficult be a trash yeah be a trash everyone for three years yeah i mean the quickest way to a man's heart is food and the quickest way to a man's head is the exact opposite of food yeah the opposite of opposite of food. Yeah, people just don't know. And so this is still an unsolved problem. But I said, you have my word. I'm not going to use your trash bins anymore.

And I'm not even using the ones from the bar because I'm just using this as my point of leverage to get the freaking property management company to solve this problem. You brought many trash bags with you to my apartment. Yeah, I was just hoping that I could find a home for them here. Why? What? You're eating a lot of butter, my dude. It's this, I'm on keto right now, which is a high fat, low protein diet. And it's very difficult,

and I don't know how to cook, so I just eat sticks of butter. It's a high butter, low anything else diet. That's working really well for me wait so why did this person all of a sudden just be so like anti you throwing your trash into there i tried to ask him why the previous three years of the exact same behavior didn't cause a problem in this recent like two week turnaround was like the straw that broke the camel's back or you know the box of 206 of butter that broke the camel's back or, you know, the box of 206 of butter that broke the camel's back.

Maybe he just really hates butter. I honestly, that's like a lifestyle he's not on board with. I'll accept anything else, but I'm a vegan. I believe this is butter. I can. I can't believe this is butter. I personally do not ascribe to this lifestyle.

Yeah, I have no idea. It has to be that like something, because I was thinking about this, like what must it be that's going on in someone's life to have like this type of thing? Sure. Like affect such a response. And with that kind of response.

Yeah, with that kind of response. Because he's talking about how, you know, like you're not thinking about he basically thinks that i am someone who's not thinking about their how they're affecting other people and all these things as he's yelling at me and and uh telling me about my life choices um did at any point he accidentally let slip the name of his ex-girlfriend well you. You're being so inconsiderate, leaving your trash everywhere and not thinking about me, Martha. Fuck. Yeah.

Oh, you actually reminded me of two things. So one, when I moved, he did have a significant other when I moved in. And that person like is no longer around. And I don't. And ever since then, all of my interactions with him have been very, very angry. Wait, are we starting our own like serial podcast? Where we investigate the relationship? The other thing is like all of our previous correspondents have been through like passive

aggressive notes and other things like ringing the doorbell. It's like, you can knock on the door, man. Like you actually live inside the gate with me. Wait, he went out. Oh my God. That sucks. Yeah. Like he went out as if he was like a person.

Like the bell is on the outside of the gate. The bell is on the outside of the gate. He walked out of his door, out of the gate and then rang the outside doorbell. In order to walk back through the gate to your door. Exactly. And then the other thing was um at some point when we're i'm you know ripping up in trash bins and analyzing trash to try and explain to him that like i it's not solely me who is like his arch nemesis um

it starts raining it you know it rained in san francisco yesterday and it was like midnight that it started sprinkling what a beautiful tableau and he like stops and he's like look at that it's raining over there but not raining over there and i'm i'm kind of like in between i'm still flustered from like having all my life choices be questioned well you're in conflict mode right i'm in conflict mode and i'm like i'm just like that's how rain clouds work don't have the time to explain a cumulonimbus to this man yeah by god that is an interesting phenomenon but i'm in fight mode yeah it's like yeah it's like as if it was like look man look there's a shower in the sky. It's like, look, I just think you're a really irresponsible roommate and you can't stop stealing my stuff. And oh my God, photosynthesis is an amazing way that plants absorb energy from the sun.

It is in fact one of the primary ways that energy makes it into our earth and ecosystem. Wow. That's a lifestyle you can get on board with. Anyway, what's this? Why do you have 200 boxes of butter? It was honestly like even talking about it, I get flustered because one, I haven't solved the problem of trash. And so like trash is building up in my apartment. And I don't want that to happen because I was talking earlier about how i've done all these things to make my apartment more homey

and now i feel like my hands are tied and i can't and i'm just angering this other man who has nothing better to do with his time at midnight in a beautiful rainstorm falling everywhere yeah where where the other side of the street isn't raining. If you can believe it. If you can believe it. Well, we should mention, you're one of those people, and maybe Mike, you're like this as well, you don't like garbage in your home, correct?

No, you are wrong. This is actually on principle alone. I love trash in my apartment. You're the trash man of sorts. I am a trash man. I moonlight and daylight as a trash man. By moonlight, I work as a trash man, and by daylight, I live with trash trash yeah it's true it's true it's um they say if you do what you love you'll never work a day in your life and you don't live with three other people you live with three

very big piles of trash um at one time they did resemble humans now they look mostly like oscar the grouch famous for his trash he's famous for living inside of a trash can. Like I do figuratively and literally. That's your lifestyle. So, Jordan, word on the street. Whoa. Is that you have a podcast inside of a podcast. Unfortunately, I do, yes.

I have a special show. And am I pulling up Evernote to remember what it's called? I'm sure not. It's called Jordan's Bizarre, Challenging, andordan's bizarre challenging and emotionally strenuous social interaction of the week oh now as we all know it's been blowing up ever since i introduced it on i want to say one episode ago yeah it has been popping off formerly known as jordan's special space now known as jordan's bizarre challenging and emotionally strenuous social direction of the week and actually if you play that in reverse it says john lennon is alive

wait and it brings it back to life and also jordan is my favorite host of the show yeah it will say one of those two things um it just yeah the truth is out there but since it's been popping off i've decided to branch out into other mediums outside of just anecdotes. And don't get me wrong, hysterical and interesting anecdotes. I can tell Maiko was thinking that. But I've decided to branch out into quizzes. This week, we'll be doing a quiz.

Now, there is going to be a semi-competitive element. Whoever doesn't get the right answer will have to leave the podcast permanently. Oh, is that what that trap door is? Yes, that's what that trap door is? The label? Yes, I should have mentioned. Well, I have a saw, and I was going to go under the floor and cut a perfect circle around you very slowly.

Then it was going to fall, and you were going to stay in the air for about five seconds, look down, look at the camera, and go, whoa, whoa. And for some reason, there's an anvil, of which I don't know what the actual use is, but I've seen them in cartoons exclusively. There's a Jarvis on a cliff and there's a grand piano hanging above.

And I'm chasing I'm chasing a roadrunner that just always avoids my grasp. Metaphorically. Metaphorically. But here's the special quiz, because this week I want to really challenge the two of you, and you're both sharp cookies, so for a little context. Yeah, be careful with the roof of your mouth, because we're sharp cookies. We are very sharp cookies. For a little context, anybody not from the area, there is a Californian,

I think Californian institution called Phil's Coffee. Is it anywhere else? Who knows? Yeah. California now. It's in Seattle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's in California.

It's the only place I know of. It started in San san francisco started in my neighborhood there we go so jarvis started phil's coffee um it's true with his three roommates trashina trashly and tronathan no it's trashy trashina and george he was the first yeah uh but the uh the institution of phil's is effectively just a very fancy drip coffee And nice tasty teas That I will grab pretty much every morning On my way to work And while I was there recently

I had a rather vexing situation A vexing situation you say A tricky situation This is not the traditional social situation I did not talk to anybody directly But what I did The reason I made the choice I did Was because of social pressure

I went in to grab my Istanbul treat With almond milk and like a little bit of honey. If anybody wants to grab one, maybe send it to the PO box. And while I was in there, something happened. Okay. I want to be candid. This is a show about being vulnerable. Right. Okay.

Yep. Okay. I may or may not have put my cup into the wrong recycling bin. Oh. Uh-oh. Already a big crime. Oh. Already the police are recycling bin. Oh. Uh-oh. Already a big crime. Oh. Already the police are closing in. Oh dear. Okay, pressure's on. We've got seconds to redeem this. Now I did one of two things.

And I would like the two of you to take a shot at which one you think I actually did. To replay what you did, you put your cup of coffee I put my cup, which is supposed to go in the compost, into the recycling bin. Yeah, yeah. That's compost for our international listeners.

No, this was the compost, which is much like a jam compote. You can dip food in it. Yeah, I put it in the compost. It was a bad move. Yes. I did not put it in the compost. It was a very bad move. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I did one of the two following things. Okay. A. Did I make the same sound that Shaggy makes when jumping into the arms of Scooby-Doo and then pretend to put my arm into the compost, then pretend to place an imaginary bottle into the recycling in the hopes that people would see the motion and then not really look closely enough to know whether or not i actually did anything or b did i heroically plunge my arm deep into the compost bin and then like the indiana jones of trash pull out my lost relic and place it in the correct bin

at which point the crying native american guy from the commercial sucked his tears back into his eyes because he wasn't sad anymore um well i have a few questions about the question uh no follow-up questions forgive my memory did you say one and b excuse i'm not i'm not sure and then the second thing jordan peels get out the second thing was uh you in that second anecdote the second option you stuck your hand you said compost bin but you meant recycling bin right correct wrong bin and right bin let's just identify them as that there's a scenario where i made a kind of mimic shape where i put my arm very shallowly into the bin and then moved it to the other bin as if oh you know he made like i'm hanging out with a bunch of infants with no like object permanence

yeah it's like oh he moved that see surely the thing is resolved totally totally and then the other option was you know i did it because I'm a fucking hero. You definitely just made the motion of doing it. I'm going to say neither, and you didn't do the motion nor do the thing. Okay. It's very telling that two of my close friends both assumed I did not do the honorable thing. My fucker had two options, and she chose neither, presumably because she thinks whatever i did was

worse what's your hypothesis what do you think i did i think she just thinks you walked away yeah yeah i think i think that you didn't do the motion nor actually did the thing because doing the motion would be ridiculous though i do think that means that you're plunging your hand into trash very shallowly yeah but like public trash right and that would be like a crazy thing to do that only somebody that is incredibly neurotic 100 now i'm a trash expert sorry wow what a weird theme no longer about crying episode nine of sad boys yeah and i'm gonna have to say uh i'm gonna have to say what went through your mind is is not someone at recology is gonna have to look into this recycling bin and go uh again another phil's cup i do this thousands of times

a day for fun for you didn't you didn't think about that what you thought about was uh these people probably think i'm a bad boy this is i cannot believe that you think i would be so incredibly shallow i was at the time because that's the thing i did but my concern is that i present myself in a way that you think uh yeah javascript is 100 right i made a a in retrospect bad mime like not even close to the motion your space object work was really weak It was really weak I literally just, I made like the kind of motion That you could maybe fool

Somebody if they were 200 feet away Like I just kind of went As a visual image for the listener I did the same kind of distance you would move your arm To like pick a cup off the table It was just like a little Near the bin and then I moved my hand to the other bin So quickly that I assumed the motion blur of distance you would move your arms, like pick a cup off the table. Okay. It was just like a little near the bin.

And then I move my hand to the bin so quickly that I assumed the motion blow would cover up the cup. I really hope that someone was looking so closely at that. You were trying to fool the human eye. But I mean, you know, if there's one learning people can take away from this episode is that not only do I not care about the environment,

but I'm also neurotic and inconsiderate. So i want to start itunes review please what uh what i want to know is at what distance away from the recycle bin the scene of the crime oh did you go all right i could have just done the right thing yeah so they are adjacent yeah they are right next to one another um as soon as i dropped it in i took about one step away and what probably gave the game away to be honest is that they're about 35 seconds of deliberation i dropped it was about to open the door close the door to a room you know 30 40 people in here yeah i walked back over to the trash and you know i could have been there for hours i blacked out yeah yeah that is weird they i read in the paper that there was a man who was just loitering outside the recycling bin at phil's i picked it up and i took it to your apartment wow i was like oh my god i had a bunch of butter too this is all my fault i'm so sorry it's all

it's all clicking i i was like i don't go to Phil's. This looks like specifically the Phil's that isn't near my apartment. This is a bill for Jordan Cope. It says Jordan's Phil's on the cup. Well, I appreciate that. It's kind of bittersweet because I like that Jarvis got it right. And I also hate that he thinks so little of me. And I like that Maya Coe would never think so little of me and i like that uh mayako would never think so little of me she actually thought less of you did i just straight up walked away so you

no consideration i don't know i don't know where yeah like i think that like comp actually no what i what actually happened is worse than just walking away because if you just walked away there's like a plausible deniability that you just were misinformed about what goes where um just like forgot you didn't think twice and you're just like and and i will say that um i don't it's not the worst thing that you recycled it because thanks dude um you're not supposed to put soiled cardboard in there but the phil's things i think are recyclable they're effectively waterproof um you're not supposed to put soiled cardboard into... Yeah, like, so pizza boxes...

No, no, no, no, into recycling. So, like, pizza boxes are, like, a no-go for recycling. Well, I'm sorry, Recology Mountain View, because... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Other things... Because you've gone to the Recology Mountain View site and dropped pizza boxes in there. Yeah.

Right in front of them. Which is a lot more work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's just weird. It's like you just put them out in front of their CEO of a college. He lives in Marin. He just went to his house.

One other thing that I learned recently, and this is just a PSA for the listeners, I learned it via passive-aggressive note from my neighbor, which is that in San Francisco, soft plastics are not recyclable. How do you define soft plastics? So likeclable. How do you define soft plastic? So like a shrink wrap or like any sort of like soft plastic.

Imagine a plastic that's soft. Yeah, basically a plastic with no shape. Picture if you will. You might describe a hard plastic as a plastic that is hard. Certainly less soft than a soft plastic. Now, we're bullying Micah, which is leading her to start to cry, which I think is the perfect segue.

Oh, hey, Jordan. How's it going? Oh, hey, dude. How's it going? You were just looking at the Twitter feed, right? What's up? Yeah. Yeah.

Sorry. Sorry. It kind of triggers me. Whoa, you're crying. What's up? What's up? Yeah, sorry. Sorry, it kind of triggers me. Whoa, you're crying. What's up? What's up? What's wrong with you? It's just that the listeners don't think we're sad enough. They don't think we're sad enough. Yeah, like, the

podcast is called Sad Boys, but we're not sad enough in the show. Wait, hang on. They have been saying this since episode one. Now you're crying. Well, if you're going to cry, I'm going to start crying.

And if I'm going to start crying, I'm just going to cry. But, look, it doesn't matter. I'm sick of this, man. It doesn't matter what they say. All I know is that I love you, man. Oh, wow, thanks, dude. Yeah, I like you, man. Oh, wow. Thanks, dude. Yeah, I like you just fine. Wait, what?

We're talking about crying today, and the reason that we're talking about crying is that it's such an important part of emotional processing of things. It's evolutionarily built into our brains to do and our ducts. We have tear ducts for this purpose. It's like the first thing you are really good at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you learn

to not do it so much, but I mean, old habits die hard because I cry all the time. So I think where we should start with this, let's just talk about the last time we cried.

Oh, cool. Okay. Yeah. That sounds great. So I think if each of us goes around, we can start with our guest um i want to hear my cat diva yeah please begin and my neighbor they actually started a podcast

it's complaining about you and complaining about me yeah um so maiko tell us about the last time you cried where were you what happened how did it feel so the last time i cried was i didn't watch the golden globes live but i watched all the videos the next day and oprah's speech was the last time that i cried i was on the train on the way into work and i was like checking the news and there was all this news about what happened in the Golden Globes the previous day. And I went to watch Oprah's speech. And there's been a lot of shit that's going on, obviously, with that. But, you know, Oprah's just so charismatic and I just started tearing up. But I'm a person who's really bad about like crying in public places.

So I only allowed myself just like the teary eyes. Bad as in like self-conscious about it like you don't want to do it yeah no the tears just come down crooked they're heavy and thick they're like a sludge if you will they're objectively bad tears honestly you crying is fine the tears are complete dicks neil progressed tyson saw you cry once and said that they don't even obey physics they're so bad you cry in you suck up water with your eyes oh god that's terrifying i'm so bad at crying so bad did you sort of this is a question i imagine i'll pitch to all of our examples but do you feel like you were crying because of the actual like content or because of the momentous feeling you know what i mean like was it that she said

something where you were like oh my god that makes me so sad yeah or she said something with such feeling and such effort you were like oh my god the emotion is it's definitely the latter yeah yeah because like it it's like i i'm very prone to crying from that second one than that first one um like granted the the content itself was great like you know there's all the jokes about oprah running for president yeah yeah because of that speech but i was just like but oprah you're just like you just like touch my soul. Yeah. And so, yeah, that was the last time. That's a great one. That's a great one.

Was there a particular moment in the video that just got you? Whenever people would just like yell or like clap during the speech. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's something about that. I mean, momentum in general, like emotional synergy is what makes a lot of people cry. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. But it's especially difficult if you've ever been in a crowd where a speech like that happens. I've never been in like a crowd of that size or intensity. But if you're in a crowd of like people at a concert or like a band's last show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they just say like, been amazing talking. And then suddenly everyone's like, woo! Oh my God.

This is the end. I don't know you. I'm very sad. Oh my God. I'm going to start sucking up other people's tears. Everybody else is crying in the audience, Michael. It's like there was some sort of tear vacuum.

So no one was crying. They wanted to, but you were sucking them up. So Jordan, I want to hear about the last time you cried yeah i okay so i think i'm in the same camp as michael and i'm not very good at crying yes um although there's like you know there's different kinds of stimuli and we'll get into what stimulates your crying a little bit more in a minute but what a hot take there's different kinds of stimuli there are different things in the world you heard that Neil deGrasse Tyson obey that obey those rules fam fam avid listener avid

listener he could delete the show with one click so a really common thing for me I actually don't cry in movies very much I well up sometimes I get you know like a little choky and it's very rarely because of the actual content of the and it's very rarely because of the actual content of the movie it's more just because it's so well put together that there's like some sort of emotional climax it can be a very happy emotional climax yeah or even just a very like intense fight and i was right on the precipice throughout like the entire third act of the last jedi oh yeah like yeah oh yeah yeah not even it's you know it's got comedic beats and it flows quite well and the pacing of that third act is very organic right

like it's not just miserable the whole time or happy or whatever oh yeah for some reason every time something of like like momentous occasion would happen i would just like okay but you're hanging out with like jarvis and your friends don't like, this is so dumb. I'm like out of movie. Whatever. I don't fucking care. I'm so irreverent. Well, so I was there.

I walled up when Ray... Wait, spoilers ahead. Spoilers ahead. Spoilers ahead. This isn't like that much of a... Like this is enough. This lacks enough context. So this isn't much of a spoiler. When Luke Skywalker swallows Ray whole.

But when Ray moved the rocks in the third act, I like walled up in that moment. Well, it's exactly that, right? Because it's like a culmination of so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's what, nine times out of ten, that's what makes me cry. Even if it's like an upsetting situation. Yeah. The situation won't get to me.

It's like the resolution of the situation. Yeah. A cry of relief almost. Yeah. Cry of relief. Almost. You're making me realize that I cry a lot in movies. Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause I,

I like, I, I cried or I think I like shed a tear during star Wars at some point. I remember a hidden figures. Do y'all see hidden figures? Yeah. Hidden figures during the credits when they're showing, it's based on a true story.

True story. So no spoilers, but it's about... It's already happened in history. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spoilers for history. So I am a sucker, and then I'll go into my story, but I am a sucker for...

Javis just hit the bed for emphasis. And my cat jumped. She's fine though she's fine so I'm a sucker for in stories that are based

on true stories when they map the story like with all the emotions and the arc that you just watched with the real people

like Hidden Figures finished the movie the credits they're showing the real life women that were depicted. And I just, even right now thinking about it, it just like sent chills down my spine. And I started like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was like, they were real and they really struggled. And oh my God. Like, and I just like, oh, I'm just thinking about it. Yeah. I was watching Your Name. Oh, okay. I'm crying right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You said the name of the movie and I started crying. I was watching Your Name with a friend who hadn't seen it and I've seen the movie and I saw it it was a few weeks ago and I just like welled up at the end

like I just like and you've seen it before I've seen it before I saw it last year like when it came out you know what it is and people who have seen the movie will get this

it's the soundtrack 100% oh the soundtrack no joke the soundtrack oh I'm getting chills thinking about the soundtrack it's already right so I soundtrack. No joke. The soundtrack. Oh, I'm getting chills thinking about the soundtrack. It's already right.

So I have it on Spotify offline right now because I hate myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was recently at a bachelor party in Vancouver, and while we were driving back from this night, we'd taken this four-hour road trip, and we were on the four-hour road trip on the way back, and about two hours deep, I'd run out of Ozark on my phone. Yeah.

So I was like, time to mix it up. Oh, i know what i'm in the mood for after a fun boisterous day misery yeah so i opened up i was listening to the soundtrack and i was sat fortunately in like the far back seat of a pickup yeah a minivan yeah so i was private nobody could see me it was very dark it was like 1 a.m and i bawled my fucking eyes out like in a car with five other guys dressed in hockey gear and they were listening to S-Town

they were listening to S-Town they were like this guy is really into true crime this guy is so upset about John B. McLemore but Jarvis you cry I assume yeah I did cry recently so have to rewind the clock back to I mean mean, roughly a day and a half ago.

I was, or I guess two days ago now. A man went through my trash. Sitting in my living room, watching Oprah's speech. Get out of here. I was watching Oprah's speech. And so it was just such a moving speech such a powerful such a powerful speech and just watching other people react other people like stand up and like start to well up themselves I was like feeling it and then I shit you not my doorbell rang and I shed a tear and it was my

neighbor Josh wait was this a prologue yeah yeah I yeah. I'm not kidding. I literally cried right before my neighbor came to complain to me about trash. Jesus Christ. Trash monster. So I am in a completely hopeful, like inspirational mindset. And then some dude's just like

yelling at me about trash. And I'm like, look, man. Listen to Oprah. Yeah. We have the time to come together josh i was like let me show you a speech for a future president that's amazing yeah what a beautiful narrative arc is this a nolan movie what a twist yeah that was my prestige um oh but yeah no really i i tried to stay quiet when when Mike is talking about the

Oprah thing because I did also I did also watch that and like just found it so so moving but you you didn't cry during the Josh chat right no I cried after not really I did I did stay up a while after because it like made my mind race because I whenever I get so like heated and like a like if somebody comes at me with an

argument it's like i will respond with an argument and your adrenaline's pumping and your adrenaline's pumping so i just like it just took me so long to calm down from it um but yeah the the oprah thing was a nice thing to come back to and think like you know this is really hopeful this is really like powerful this message um you lived like a political microcosm you lived america yeah you had like a beautiful connection based entirely in like insular love and community and then you met a mean man that thought the world belonged to him yeah yeah yeah and then went straight back to your friend oprah totally i have a question for micah uh which is we both talked about it are you much of a movie that thought the world belonged to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then went straight back to your friend Oprah. Totally. I have a question for Micah,

which is, we both talked about it. Are you much of a movie crier? And if so, are there particular movies? Other than Oprah Winfrey's speech. The sequel to The King's Speech. The King's Speech? The Queen's Speech. Which is a movie about Beyonce crying.

The dope Queen's Speech. queen speech um which is a movie about beyonce crying the dope queen speech um yeah i do cry during movies but like i don't it's a little unpredictable and i'm trying to figure out what about movies triggers me to cry um so like one thing that i have figured out is like if a dog is dying i will definitely cry yeah i remember watching like Shiloh when I was a kid, and it was a year after I got my family dog, who was also a beagle. And so during that time when they were talking about, oh, I'm going to kill

that dog, and I'm going to shoot him, I was just like, no, don't do that. And I just remember bawling my eyes out. I was like seven, but I was just so... And I was planning to kill my dog. This changed my mind so in typical sad boys fashion i want to ask a follow-up to this which is um and you can share to your comfort level like what are some pivotal like moments where in your life where you've cried

do you have those in mind yeah i i do i think well so i guess like when i cry a lot it's okay so i'm i'm like one two things that i have figured out about my crying patterns i guess um one of which is like i cry a shit ton when i'm like really really sad yeah uh so like one such example is when my family dog died yeah yeah that was like the most like fortunately, I've been living a pretty good life in which I haven't lost anyone close. But then when I did lose my family dog, he was like kind of like a brother slash, like, you know, central.

Yeah, yeah, totally. So when he passed away, I probably cried for like two and a half days straight. Yeah. Also when I cry the next day, my face is so swollen. Oh, no. Which I can't help.

It's full of all the tears you sucked up. You have an incredibly pruney and thin face when you're sad and then you absorb all the moisture. That's why. Do you find that, now I want to cry. But do you find that there's a cathartic element to the crying in situations like that or is it just so heart-wrenching that because like in some situations you have an argument with somebody or you stub your toe like it's you know like a whole spectrum of stuff and then you just cry and you got it out of your system in your case you sucked it into your system but do you

often in that specific situation if you don't mind meying, like did you get to the end of those few days of being really upset and feel like you chatted it or? Yeah. Well, so I think it has like that specifically has to do a lot with grief. And so after a couple of days, I was just like, OK, like I have no more tears. And so then it went to like the process of like, OK, like accepting that he's gone. Yeah. Thinking back to the good times and stuff, which is on with like prompt more tears and stuff but that was very like it was exactly the the however many stages of grief that people go through um but like originally it was just like

the shock that i was just like he just doesn't exist on this planet anymore which was just really sad because you know i got him when i was seven so like all of my life all of, like, teenage years and stuff when I was trying to figure out who I was and stuff. Yeah, yeah. At least he was there, whether he wanted to be there or not. Yeah, totally. You know, talk to him about that. It's a part of your life. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. It's a really weird contract to sign. Like, when you get a pet. I just, I got a cat two weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, hopefully she dies first. I love my cat to pieces, but I also would like to live for more than 15 additional years. That is so something I seriously thought about when I was getting my dog.

I was like, wait, am I okay with this dog dying in 15 years? I didn't even know who my dog was going to be, but I was like, we could get ready for this. That's smart to think about. Because you will build a relationship with this pet being, this, I was going to say person, this dog person. Yeah. And it is very strong. It's not unlike any human relationship.

It is, yeah. So the other thing that I figured out about my crying is that I cry when I'm laughing so hard and when I'm just so unbelievably happy. I will just start shedding tears of joy. Um, so like when we did, when we did our like a collab way back in the day when we were doing all those games, like I would, whenever I laugh so hard, I start crying just because of the laughing. But then at a certain point I'm just like, I'm just like so happy right now that made me that almost makes me like happy cry when i think about it yeah that was so much fun yeah and i just remember being in a hot conference room at patreon and being so hot but

also laughing so much that every place where water could come out of my body there was just like coming out yeah there out I mean from a fanboy's perspective because I don't believe you've been on the show since this came out no you have done

a sort of follow up a spiritual successor to those videos some Christmas holiday themed games one of which I

I'm a ghost because I died when I watched it I laughed so hard that I died and now unfortunately you are hanging out with a spooky ghost.

I forget. Specifically, you're trying to decipher translated Google Christmas songs. Google translated Christmas songs. And there is something so, like, it is the basis of why people cry when they laugh. From the snow. It is open, open to the horse.

I love that it's embedded in your mind. Yeah. You've replaced the original. Yeah, it's true. Like, the thing, and maybe you two agree with this, I don't know, but, like, whenever I end up crying from laughter, it's usually when something is objectively very, very funny, and then is, like, 10% shouldn't be funny. Yeah, is so like church laughter like church laughter you get lost in your own especially if you're like a bigger public situation you're hanging out with like 10 people and one person makes a reference to something for no one else yeah and then you start laughing and people like okay chill out

the amount of times that i've hidden a crying laughing face, like, from public view because it's inappropriate for me to be laughing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, like, my whole, like, laughing while crying thing started when I was, like, a teenager.

And my grandma, like, strong believes that it was part of, like, my puberty. Ah. And so I remember when I was, like, 15 or 16, she was like, you're just going through this phase right now where you just laugh at everything. And I was like, yeah, I do. Oh, she thought it was just a part of your puberty. It wasn't, for six years and so she was like i remember when i was 15 i would laugh at everything too and i was like okay maybe genetic and then she would do a thing where she was like i would laugh so hard that i would laugh when a chopstick fell and i was like whatever and then she like

like stood up a chopstick and made it fall and i would laugh so hard and it really was just because i was like why is this so funny like i shouldn't be laughing yeah and now you're like look at me now grandma i'm still laughing yeah i'm sorry i'm genuinely laughing at the chopstick sat around the table yeah they would laugh at me because i was just like it's so funny jordan i want to hear uh about you you're laughing trends like is there a time that jumps out of you that was like a particularly meaningful cry music's a really big stimulator for me i think music has always acted as like the uh the catalyst for remembering something of upset or trauma in the past yes

that maybe isn't even necessarily all that traumatic it's just that when you underscore it perfectly with the correct soundtrack. I mean, it's the reason movies have music. They enhance emotion. And Your Name soundtrack does that a lot. There's a couple of, strangely, a couple of video game soundtracks that if I listen to them now, I become so nostalgic for being like 11, 12 years old that that will make me cry. And don't get me wrong, it sucks being 11 or 12 years

old it's not a good time to be alive but there are like you know certain elements like like still living in the same house as my mom and getting to see my mom all the time we don't get to see much these days and yeah uh there's certain small things to shout out to joy cope number one found the podcast um there are like small things like that that will stimulate sudden crying and it's always sudden that That's the thing. It's never like 99% of movies where I sit down and I watch them. It's fun and it's interesting. And there's like a fun little analytical element to it.

And then the movie's over. Whereas suddenly I go to Star Wars and it goes like, Oh God, where did this come from? Yeah. Soundtracks are a huge factor for me. I guess in addition to that, the crying when laughing most commonly happens if it's a joke that I know is objectively not good. And it's just for me. We were actually just talking about that before we started recording the show.

We did a thing at The Office recently where we were recording laughs for a new project and uh jaffas has like three locked down methods for making me laugh despite the fact that i know what they are and i know that they're not funny in my case the same way right like it's like and it's super i think we all are people who like cry laugh more than average and i think that's a wonderful thing um it's a privilege yeah it's a privilege and i think it's just cool that we can just take advantage of that and just like be in this like joyous moment with with each other how about you young jarvis what is like your number one trigger for both so i think that ultimately when i think about life and time and like, I'm, I'm a person who like, and we don't, this doesn't have to get heavy.

I, I, it's like just my life. I've experienced a lot of like loss of like loved ones in my life. And I think that a lot of times I have like sort of the weight on my shoulders that I need to be something for the people who like gave a part of their life towards like raising me. And so i think a lot about like legacy and stuff and so like that's kind of why whenever i listen to hamilton like the back half of hamilton like it's kind of all about that and and like it just makes me cry just because like the words are like about yeah that it's like who lives who dies who tells your story

like that is so like powerful to me um and then also like other music that i've cried at is like um frank ocean bad religion it's like to this day my favorite frank ocean song but it's a song it's about unrequited love it's about like two lovers that one cannot like be with the other not because they don't like like each other but just because like they're not wired that way uh i think it's like sort of a retelling of Frank Ocean's like first like love with which was with a man and who was straight. And so like that, the fact that like you can have all these emotions for someone, but then like they can never be met like that. Oh, God, it's so sad. Life is tragic.

Yeah, life is tragic. But that's one of the reasons why crying is so important. Yeah. We haven't talked about it much, but there is like a bizarre stigma surrounding crying yeah as if crying is either a the acknowledgement that you are weak and you cannot handle the burdens of the world or b one and b one small non-capital a uh all the acknowledgement that you are overly sensitive, right? Like you either couldn't handle this thing or you're just one of those people that cries,

which is nuts. Like what, you're hungry? No, you're one of those people. You're one of those people that gets hungry. Before we wrap up, in typical Sad Boys fashion, I'll say that I have, we'll have to find this somewhere. I have a voice memo somewhere where I was talking out loud to myself when I was trying

to decide whether or not I should leave my last job and join Patreon. What? And when I'm talking about it, I start crying. Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's like, because I really did like my last job and I liked a lot of the people that I worked with. And I was really nervous about the unknown of like leaving my job

because I was afraid that I would like make a mistake and I would just like, and I wouldn't be able to go back from it or whatever. And knowing what I know now, obviously like I'm really happy that I made the decision I made, but like it kind of captured the uncertainty of like making a big life choice.

And yeah, it's like actually really hard for me to listen to because I'm just like, just really struggling to like figure out the right answer um we should i mean we should try and like get a guest that has something similar yeah we should just all share i think we could talk about crying again like we haven't even scratched the surface for me with crying um and so uh that's the thing because there's so many it's almost like doing a topic called talking yeah because there's so many like emotional modal elements to crying yeah um i mean as as a wrap-up i guess yeah just because it's something i really wanted to acknowledge especially since i think you two would have

particularly interesting insights on them do you find that when you do cry when it when it does hit that final point of exhaustion when the 206 of butter break the camel's back yeah yeah do you find that there's still a level of insecurity about it you kind of referenced that micah when you were talking about being on the train yeah because consciously i know it's a fine thing to do but hey when i cried in the back of that bachelor party your boy wiped his face before we got out the car like i don't want anybody to know yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah i totally like like shove my tears way down and it's something that i want to be better at too because crying is healthy and like yeah like i know that in my mind i'm just like if i want to cry i should cry um you know watching you know other like people on television

like for instance terry's house, everyone cries all the time. And I'm just like, I wish I could be that emotionally sincere with myself and others and not be afraid of expressing it that way. But it's like, it's so, it makes you so vulnerable. And I'm just like, there's no way I'm crying in front of these people. So I still have yet to like cry at work. Whereas like there's been several times, you know, where I want to. I am speaking of crying at work. I, at my last job, like I had a family member pass away who was like really like sort of influential in my upbringing. They were like one of the people who was just like the rock of like my upbringing after a certain point. And they were sick and then I got like worried that they passed away and I was at like work um and I kind of like finished out the day like I didn't really process it um as like

a defense mechanism and then I remember like it was either that night or the night after like just sitting in bed like thinking about it and then like thinking back and like listening to like voicemails and like reading text messages and stuff and then i just like completely broke but um and i think that's healthy to do because it's so for grief um it's a great it's like the way of of processing right because it's like a necessary thing to do to get through it um and i'm someone who like needs that um to to to finish like processing something um that's that's the weird thing about crying right like it's the one thing you can't do wrong yeah yeah you can you can act you can inappropriately bottle up your feelings you can express them

too aggressively you can be too overly enthusiastic you can be too angry and aggressive but you can't like cry inappropriately. Yeah. And that's why people feel so strange about it in a work environment because you're never crying in like a faux, Oh, well, you know, I'm work Jordan right now. I'm crying kind of, no, you're balling. You're really, you're raw as hell. You're raw right now. Totally. So I am going to call it guys, but this has been wonderful. wonderful. We'll definitely have to do another episode on this because I think we hit some real stuff. So swollen face Mayuko. It's so I'm so glad you brought it up because it's fucking huge now. We all started crying during this episode, but like Mayuko just like sucked it into her face.

And she's gained all of our abilities. She is now the only sad boy. How do you think I invented the universe on the first day? That's true. Day one universe, day eight, a podcast. You really buried the lead on that one. Maika, thank you so much for joining us. It's always a pleasure to have you.

One of our favorite guests for sure. No offense, anyone else. No offense, every human. No offense, Lin-Manuel Miranda. We still want you on the show. Please be on the show. And since you're a guest on the show, one of our favorite guests for sure no offense anyone else no offense every human no offense lin-manuel miranda we still want you on the show please be on the show and since you're a guest on the show would you like to shout out a thing you do or a place that people can get more mayako in their life yeah i'm like i said before everywhere on the interwebs as hello mayuko you are on every website you just have to find it that's my that's my joke whenever i ask my kid to fuck

she's like i'm everywhere on the internet as hello my yuko so that's you you got you got youtube you got twitter you got instagram uh are you on snapchat i'm not okay so just those three internet except snapchat except snapchat yeah yeah uh jordan where can we find you same hello my echo any website uh me up Myaco will forward the message to me send her snail mail she'll bring it to the office yeah

it's weird that your physical address is also a hell of a place you shouted at the letter and throw it into the sky yeah you can find me if you wanted to

at Jordan J-O-R-D-A-N Adika A-D-I-K-A one word on most things I don't think I'm on Snapchat, I probably was at some point but it's been a minute

and then for me, I'm on YouTube as Jarvis I'm the one who has different things on everything I'm YouTube Jarvis Johnson Twitter Jarvis Instagram Magic Jarvis again, if you want to find these, contact Maiko all you have to do is shout hello Maiko into the distance unfortunately she

has the most uh concise and memorable alias social media 311 if you say hello my echo three times she appears but she's not like a murderer she'll just turn up like oh well i have to go home then your fiance goes to the mirror and then says your name and you go back to home uh and to reach us uh to reach the show sad boys find us at sad boys pod on twitter or facebook and your homework we want to hear from you your homework for this episode is tell us about the last time you cried yeah and get weird with it yeah get weird with it like we are we're on a gradient scale of getting weirder yeah with the show and get weird with it yeah get weird with it like we're we're on a gradient scale of getting weirder yeah with the show and our communication with fans and i like that and for those of you

who have chosen to like dm us um and share really like personal stories thank you so much we're really glad to be able to connect with you in that way um and the reason we now do the reason we do the best thing best part of the week every Yeah, and there might be a hashtag sadboysfam or a famoftheboys. Famoftheboys has been catching on. Famoftheboys, yeah. That's Aaron. Thank you, Aaron. Nice.

But yeah, so as is sadboys fashion, we always close it out with we love you and we're sorry. So we love you. And we're sorry. Boom!