Sad Boyz - Discussing The Horrors Of Our Time

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

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Welcome to Sabloys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. Hey. When you start recording, like, for this show, or whenever you do videos or something like that, I start with the weirdest face. I don't know. It's the kind of classic, what do I do with my hands in a photo?

But it's for the first, like, 15 seconds of any recording ever. And then I find the sea legs of it. Right. But I'm sure. I don't know how. it comes out in the cup, but there's got to be, at this point, hundreds and hundreds of archive screenshots of you opening the show with your opening line and me doing something like this. Oh yeah, you like loading.

It's like the, it's like when you launch a thing and it shows you the like Photoshop is starting. I'm calibrated. Yeah, copyright 2003 or whatever. Yeah, my watermark comes up and my watermark is the most unflattering screenshot of my own face. How you doing? All right, mate. what the hell is going on

what the hell is even happening other than the horrors of the world yeah that's what I mean I mean what is happening is a domestic occupation by the federal government that's what I mean where like I'm emphasis on I'm all right yeah because it is just like relatively speaking pretty fucking easy breezy versus some Gestapo strong men

flat footing their way around like doing domestic terrorism with a new brand. Yeah, untrained people that shouldn't even have weapons. Working on their GED and swapping it out for a grenade is somehow like a viable career path. The, uh... For anyone that didn't hear. I mean, yeah.

It's like the fucking... It's like give crash outs a gun. Yeah. Because now they can live out their power fantasies. I heard like a strong, a solid take on it that I'll reappropriate and poorly rephrase so it can be my own. Oh, I like that. But there was a... The idea that like this is like the logical extreme or I guess like the final end boss state of my own life is so miserable and I feel so much isolation through my own actions that I don't see a path of building community.

I don't see a path of back. So what I will do is just nihilistically spread it like a, they're like a mosquito. Like these people don't have like, anyone that would join and engage and defend and propagate the ideals of ice is, or the institution around them as well, is so far gone that you're essentially trying to like debate a mosquito out of giving people malaria. It's just the way it operates is so based on like hateful instinct that what a, it's a, I mean, it's a classic refrain in different states. We've talked about it before where like, how do you pitch compassion to someone who doesn't. care about it? That's the thing. The currency doesn't apply. It's like you just don't have, you don't value this. And, and I say that that's not obviously a hundred percent. Like there are people who

can, can, like, see what's happening. Because you're noticing this like to a small extent, now people are like, wait a second, that guy was white and he was minding his own business. Hold on. That's crazy. He wasn't even a black teenager in a hoodie. Yeah, he wasn't even making me feel weird. I didn't even have an Arizona iced tea and a fucking sour patch kids. Yeah, he wasn't carrying a Snickers bar. He was a, that was a white guy living. And now he's not around anymore?

That could happen to me, question mark. Dude, it's like, it's just heartbreaking. And obviously, we're not going to. The thing is, like, there is so much, what's the word? Like, coverage, I guess, now of this stuff of, of ICE's, like, occupation of Minnesota, which is like overly political. It's like, oh, why are these people mostly in states that didn't vote for Trump or like following a trend of like, what is a coincidence that like there's a Nickshurly video about an old fraud that's already being like looked into by Minnesota that's then reported as if it's new news and then.

Yeah, all it takes is like a little scratch on the surface. The vice president says it's, uh, this guy deserves a Pulitzer. Yeah. It takes no, every single time that you see any kind of news update that is trying to be rationalized as like, uh, well, we went into this neighborhood facts and why reasons.

All you have to do is scratch a tintsy built on the surface and then find out that somebody in a position of power has a grievance against their old neighbor that lives there. Yeah. It's like they, or like, oh my God. They got scared of someone that was playing scary music and so they decided to blow up. So much is just that. It's just like this like,

I would rather. I think I mean I do think that to an extent it's well every every explanation starts to feel like you're excusing something you know and it's like I don't want to make that claim at all but it's more like

you realize how comfortable some people are wielding power like for example like calling ice on someone as a way to as a way to exercise your power over them because you feel powerless in other aspects of your life. It's like such a intense sign of like weak weakness in like moral weakness, weakness of the soul to me. I don't know.

It's fragile in a way that I don't think they think it is. And that's why it's like sounds excusing. Like they don't know what. They think they're being proactive, but it's actually so fear-based that it is, it's pathetic and dangerous. It's like when you tell a, like, you know, it's like growing up black in America, you get a lot of talks by adults about kind of being wary of the police and like not trusting these institutions because they have not been, let's just say not been trustworthy to our people in the past historically. so they haven't earned that trust. And then you talk to someone who doesn't have that upbringing, doesn't have that background.

And they're like, why don't you just follow instructions? Yeah. You know, and things like that. It's like. Stop making me think about something. Like Alex Pretty was murdered in cold blood while restrained while he was trying to help a woman who was, you know, being, had been pushed down, you know? And it's like, and it's like a guy who dedicated his life clearly.

to, and this is where the discords get a lot frustrated. Allegedly his last words were, are you okay to this woman? And it like, and worked in medical, like his literally entire life clearly dedicated to that. And then that gets, unfortunately, that kind of, that part of it has to be part of the conversation because if you don't have compassion and you don't care about people inherently, it has to be a merit conversation. It has to be like, well, no, these claims of him being some kind of domestic terrorist. Actually, I'm going to disprove that as opposed to, okay, I don't know. Let's say that he was a prolific criminal.

Let's say he was a fucking arsonist. You can't murder him. It doesn't matter. It's like a legal eagle who is quite based, if you haven't been up to speed on Mr. Eagle, posted a very emotional video where he's talking about a lot of this stuff. And it's like, hey, yeah, as a lawyer, I believe. And it's like, this should be, you know, it's in the context. Constitution, but who cares about that?

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I think a part of it is, uh, it's, it's, this kind of ideology and these kind of actions work as like erosion more than just it's, they're not, like, these are huge devastating events, but they happen at such a consistent speed that it fatigues you. Like, it's supposed to beat you through just constant impact. And it's on purpose. I think that like, uh, you know, I've heard it compared to stochastic terrorism where it's like when i'm sending a bunch of untrained people with guns into a place where uh where um things are extremely heightened i don't know who's going to die i don't know who's going to get hurt but i know based on the numbers that someone will and then i've also heard people go as far as to call it just literal terrorism and then there's like a discussion of like you know how we define that i don't

think it matters i think you get the idea of like uh if you if i'm sending if i'm sending if i'm sending a bunch of armed people who are not like trained at all. Like even if you send trained people, this still happens, but it's like... If you showed the... If we were sending people with some kind of moral compass into a... ...into an environment where they are not welcome and are, like, taking aggressive action for any reason, even if these people were like incredibly ethical on whatever bounds you could measure it, things...

Conflict is going to happen. the issue, it's even worse when those people have no moral compass. I don't know if this is like mental health related or what, but when when someone is like so brazenly not following the rules, it really infuriates me. Yeah. It like pisses me off in a very visceral way that doesn't matter. The red, the yellow, like I see red. Hypocryry alarm is whin, right, right, right, because it's like the hypocrisy.

doesn't matter because they know they're being hypocritical, you know? No, they just don't care. Exactly. That's what I have to remind myself. But it's like you, I don't like, in the same way that I don't like when people are confidently, confident about something that they don't actually know. I feel similarly when someone is pretending to abide by a certain rule set and is actually going to shift the the like move move the the goalpost as often as it benefits them yeah i was a reminded of

this yesterday some some you know one of a million upsetting mentions or updates or something just like a tree of life astral projected me back to a handful of examples over the last 10 years of being the approved immigrant being the not on a government level, but in like a social level, knowing parents of friends, knowing extended families of friends in the US who, because obviously my, the people I know here, relatively sheltered bubble, because I have only been here as an adult and on the West Coast. The, my experience of anybody that's not at least like verbally progressive, if not in their actual politics, is through family of friends, right? And there's been,

several times where I you know in part because of how they knew me the source being the people they're related to or the fact that I'm from a approved approved a provedly white style country in the eyes of a lot of people um there's been several times where I've gotten the bin at like a friend's thanksgiving or family thanksgiving or something they've got an extended family member who says hey look I mean I don't want to you know I don't hold a strong position on this, but I think what he's doing is supposed to slow down immigration because it's taking jobs. And it, there, multiple times, hours later, their partner, or even them, has been said like, hey, just to be clear about like the immigrant thing and really think about it at the time, but, but I'm talking

about like a different kind of, a different style. This is where the hypocrisy elephant comes in because intuitively, I should be like, okay, so you're just racist. It's just, it's targeted. Yeah, I want to clarify. I mean, I'm doing racism, actually. I want to mean, like, I don't like it. I don't like the races I don't like. And I know, what my brain always desperately wanted to do was go like, okay, well,

let me take this as a case study and walk you through these pieces. But then I'm wasting my time and those because really the only thing I can say to them is, well, here's a thing you reference or a statistic you were throwing around or an anecdote that you have. Here's a challenge to that. I don't want you to like, I'm not making that. challenge for you to repost again and then give me another statistical. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm uploading this and you can do whatever you want with it. I'm not doing epic debates, but especially when I was younger, I would have the instinct to facts and logic them around it. But, you know, pretty much any kind of like bias is usually in the defense of privilege. And that includes the privilege of not thinking about stuff. If it feels really fucking good to not be worried about something and it's kind of the equivalent of getting home stressful day and like drinking a bunch like it's not the most healthy resolution to it but in the mind of the person doing it's like I don't know what else to do I am in such a

stock position it I'm going to try to compare to things so this reminds me of something that I wanted to say earlier it's like when you call out privilege or talk about some sort of systemic inequality, a lot of, like, it is, depending on the audience, if it's someone who maybe hasn't experienced that historically, they might be defensive and they might want to rush quickly to deny as a reflex. And that reflex is often not considered. It's often not like well thought out. It's a reflex to defend themselves from attack. It's to say that I actually feel invalidated but instead of process it, I'm just going to say,

no, it's not. No, they didn't. And that's how I feel, to compare this, that's how I feel when people and bots respond to these, like, kind of very cut and dry atrocities,

extrajudicial, you know, killings. Executions by this day because you can't, like, take an unflattering photo of somebody in a battlecloth

or something can blow your fucking head off. Like, why didn't you just follow your, directions why didn't you just do the thing but it's like we have but that is the reflex yeah that is someone not deeply considering because if you look at even in the most cynical of of scenarios like in this Alex Pretty situation they were so quick to say that he was an aggressor right and they always do that they did it with Renee good it's like oh they were actually they're actually the enemy. They were actually trying to kill someone with the car. And the amount of people who were trying

to tow that line in a very like uncritical way, I think is like embarrassing. It's embarrassing to your eyes and ears. It's peasant behavior. It's like, oh, my liege. No, our God King would never betray us. He cares so much for us. And have some self-respect. Yeah, literally. And so I find it interesting that in the most, the people who were going to be the most cynical and defensive about this are the administration. And so when you see Trump and Stephen Miller, well, Trump first saying, I don't know if I support the guy that killed Alex Freddie. What do you guys think? Yeah. Or Stephen Miller, who is even like worse because he's the rhetoric guy. Yes, yeah. Like he's worse about what he says is worse because he is the, I'm a Nazi

hear my, you know, all my Nazi dog whistles and speeches and stuff. But even he was saying something like wishy-washy about it. It's like them realizing that there is a line to this stuff. And that's them trying to get the most bang for their buck, trying to, like, all they care about is not your life. They care about retaining power. They care about midterm elections coming up and whether or not you can cancel them or whether or not Trump can be president forever.

It's like all those things Whether or not Brett Rann is allowed to make movies It's like the priority whether or not I can get a balani a popcorn bucket and the it's the worm from Dune Yeah, I guess the last thing I wanted to say about this is just like Obviously my heart goes out to everyone kind of in these communities affected and it includes our own community It's like we have you know Like sightings and it's like like educate your fellow person keep keep your community informed about, you know, unmarked and masked, like, officers just illegally running about

and on a fetch quest to try and find, quote, unquote, illegals. And, but I was impressed with the organization of the protests in Minnesota. Yeah. How non, like, because you know there's no perfect protester and, like, like, this happened with Martin Luther King, right? Like, it's like, oh, there's like those political cartoons of Martin Luther King where It's like peaceful protest or murder the king, and it's like a bunch of fire and brimstone and stuff. And it's like, you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to know that there are people who like don't want, like, who want to sully the image of a peaceful protest by adding aggravators, like aggravating a situation.

and with so many people, you know, statistically, there could be something going wrong. But on the whole, in a world where you could have so much violence, you could have so much rioting in the streets and things like that, everything was so organized and like... In a phenomenal turnout. Exactly. And so I think that that, like, is something that gives me, you know, a modicum of hope just for my fellow person and for my, you know, community of people to, like, band together and say that, hey, you can't, like, kind of impose your will upon us.

And if your instinct under... And there are consequences to doing such. You lose the... Like, in a republic, in a democracy. We, you know... Yeah, according to Wikipedia. We do have power, you know, when we band together. And I don't think that...

I think that a lot of the critiques of rioting, looting, all that stuff is like always in bad faith and almost always in bad faith. faith and almost always to just make any protests seem invalid like oh actually you I'm okay with protesting but you've got to do it super perfect and then it's like and it's there's anything not perfect now I'm pointing to that or we like can't oh so sorry the it it it was rude it's like literally saying if if you guys were mean to me if the bill of rights was kind of rude yeah that's they're not allowed to have that there's a song I don't know when it came out but it's from Malvina Reynolds called It Isn't Nice and it's just her and then like later on in the song

a choir of like kids singing like talking about like it isn't nice to block the doorway it isn't nice to go to jail it isn't nice to protest all the ways we did but then when you can kill and shoot anyone you want you didn't say that wasn't nice you didn't throw a fit that is the I mean the whole reason that they wear a balaclava have pseudonyms and anonymity and stuff like that is because they need to be rebranded as the antibodies of the state's immune system. They aren't people. These aren't untrained flat-boot Gestapo sociopaths.

They're just a natural reaction that comes out of the beehive of Washington. Right, right. This is the body reacting. We wish we could do something, but really it's the impact of the vaccine. How are you feeling in a decision? But I'm not feeling great. You don't keep trying of politics or whatever, right? Yeah, I just think it's nasty and I don't want to get into it.

The work required to not keep up with politics. I know. A more accurate way of describing it is, I don't care. It's like I don't actually care about other people. I think I don't care. I just want to stick my head in the sand and think everything's okay. That loses the moral satisfaction of being righteous because then you aren't also allowed to be. That's why you're a moderate, not a uncaring psychopath.

You're a moderate because you are political, but you don't play this game. I don't get into all the arguments. I don't hold up your so-called beliefs and principles. I'm big into crypto and drop-shipping. I drop-ship IEDs into protest crowds. Wait a second. Hell yeah, actually. No, I think the people I lose respect for are the people who say,

I don't want to follow the politics. It's too nasty because I want to enjoy my privileges and my nice things. And I want to live in a pretend world where everything's actually nice. And I don't feel that way about people who are, you know, working two jobs to make ends meet and stuff like that because there is a, there is a, in my mind, like obviously you can, this stuff affects you and you can care about it. But like, it is a difficult, if you're like working to provide for your family.

and you can't, you know, stay abreast of the news even when it affects you. That's kind of the system working to keep you down. And it's like, and that's the disease that the antibodies are treated. If you're coming, if you're ignoring it, then it's just like, oh man, homelessness is really bad. It's bad when people are homeless. So if we killed all of them, no one would be homeless. It's like the end result is there aren't homeless people in my neighborhood, so that must be good,

I guess. That's like not that far off than what some of the, like, techno-fascist billionaires believe. Oh, 100%. Well, it's because especially them, they treat everything like eugenics, including the government itself, including corporations.

It works in a like... Bookmark eugenics, by the way. There's something I'm going to say after this. Anastasia, do you support this stuff? My mom is Cuban. And going back to being like kind of proud of people

and how organized people are. how community-oriented people have been. She's brown and has been harassed by police before being like, where are you from? Why? And she has an accent. Weird. And yesterday she texts. So there's a grocery store chain in Arizona called Food City.

God, even the places from your hometown of weird. Every noun in your vocabulary is strange. They're only a friend that code like goofus and gallant. I wish. Those names are cool. No. I went to grocery town. And my mom shops at Food City and shut up.

I'm being serious. And one of her little old lady friends texted her, hey, just saw ice at Food City. Don't go there today. And then a bunch of other. They're on a little old lady friend group text. It's very cute. And it's often like, hey, I need a ride to my doctor's visit today. Anyone around?

Like, it's so cute how they take care of each other. And my mom was like, oh, shit, I probably shouldn't go grocery shopping today. And I texted her, okay, like, what's going on? Because it immediately made me terrified. Yeah. Because my mom also has, like, mobility issues. Like, if she were detained, I would be extremely scared for her health for many reasons, just because I imagine detention centers are really horrible.

But also, she's an American citizen. You have no agency over it also. It's not like going into, like, hospital. How many people have been disappeared and, like, no one knows where they are? you know and so I was like oh my god mom what are you doing like and she was like well I'm carrying my passport around and like and I'm like I know but so many people have been taken to our American citizens I'm like it made me want to drive to Arizona grab my mom and like abduct her abduct her and keep her safe but I know I can't do that you know like especially because she's like

I'll never leave Arizona and I'm like why it's like there's a food city here you don't have food city, right? What do you eat? What am I going to go to a freaking non-food city? I do have to say. Talk about a walkable city. If there's a food city near you, they have an incredible trace-lachist cake at their bakery.

Yeah. But also potentially there was a palo military. And guess why ICE is targeting food city? Because it's a lot of Mexican food stuffs at food city. But I was just like so proud of her little old lady friend group. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of them are Republican. And they hate Trump, but Arizona's a lot of, like, old school, like, McCain Republicans

and who don't like Trump. Sorry, I like guys who weren't captured. Well. No, I mean, and that's a, that's a gallows humor joke that Trump made. Yeah, himself. But it's interesting to see their minds being changed. where they probably in the past were racist towards Mexicans, but now they're like, oh, yeah, like this is my community

and I'm really mad that they're sending in. Yeah, it's a little bit like, what's the former Celtics player who, white guy? Scalibriene. Scalibrieney. The fusing. Dude, that rules. That rules.

That's probably what it feels like being a neural pathway. That rules. That is so funny. So, well, hold on. We have to pay off Scaliborini. Sorry. Sending him a check. So I think Brian Scalabrini.

Yeah, Brian Scalabrini, former NBA player for the Celtics, he would play streetball and stuff like that. And he has this famous quote where it's like, I'm closer to Michael Jordan than you are to me. Because he wasn't a star in the NBA. But he played in the NBA and people have this, you know, warped sense of like, oh, I could do that because you see it on TV and they don't look as big. Yeah, they're like, I could take on Scalibini. Yeah.

And it's like, no, you can't. And then he would play people and then they obviously couldn't. Yeah, you would hurt your hands getting past two. But to the point about the little lady friend group that are McCain Republicans and maybe might have been racist towards Mexicans, it's like we are all closer as a community than we are to. the power structures. The powers that be. And that's why we have to look out for each other because those people will never look out for us. Yeah. There is no utility to like, I mean, don't waste your own time railing against the personal politics past or present of a community of older ladies

in Arizona. That is not worth your time. Support the fact that there's a community at all. Because the community is always the target, even if it's an individual that's being targeted or it's an individual that is killed, injured, detained. It's only as dominoes. Like, you isolate and detain someone to take, to add like another hate of the camel's back kind of thing. It's all to destroy community because community is like the thing that no one, like these bootstrap freaks are communityless.

And so have joined this. That's how they found community kind of. Yeah. Well, because this is how you get into the... Yeah, there's like a Stephen Miller quote that's really sad if he wasn't such a ghoul where it's like, um, this is all I have. I think it was like, there was like a leak from a meeting that he had when he was like talking to all of his powerful, you know, peers and was too animated about something. And then he was like, I didn't have friends or whatever. This is all I have.

And all he has is exercising his like authoritarian power over his racism. them weak weaker people um peeps um regarding like people finally realizing like oh this can affect me too and like finally like opening their eyes to everything going on um my family we grew up in missouri and then uh most of my family moved to nashville so being Midwest into southern like most of them are still doing the whole thing of like oh white woman don't want to get involved in politics like it confuses me. I just don't want to even think about it. It stresses me out. I'm like, well, yeah, it should stress you. Imagine how the people being affected feel. Yeah, it's like, and it's like. Yeah. You don't get to think about it. Cool. Yeah, that's the thing. But me moving out to

LA is very interesting to see the dynamics between me and the rest of my family with me being out here and like having been away from the rest of them and getting to form my own opinions and my own thoughts and learn about everything on my own where my sister she was texting me about she's a have you seen that they're making a movie about melania trump and i was like well yeah and she said i was just invited to a private screening hilarious and i said what you're not going right and she said hell no what the fuck what do i look like and she is the she is the out of all my sisters she is the one that has always been like i don't want to get involved in politics it just scares me it confuses me right and so i was like just seeing her like realize what the world is

has been insane. And it sucks that it took a white woman dying for her to realize that. But it's like, I'm glad she's getting internet and she like told me she wants to sit down

and like talk to me about all of it. And I'm like, okay, this is good. My least woke opinion is I don't care how long it took you to wake up. Yeah, exactly. It's like, I don't have time to realize you. Yeah.

The priorities are elsewhere. It feels like you're in zombie apocalypse movie and it's like we don't have time. Yeah. I don't have time to worry about you or your background. We're trying to survive. We need like antibiotics.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am loathe always, like, give too much credit to media for, like, being political. Like, it's almost feels like it's like a, I'm giving too much credit to anything for even acknowledging the world versus just being kind of like a bomb, right? Like, opiate of the masses type stuff. But I do think there's a place for, like, passive media that just calms you and gives you space and doesn't have to engage your brain actively. but at the same time, I don't know how else you can reach people with no exposure to the world

and who are actively like avoiding more challenging topics and ideas than a really popular book, movie, TV show that like kind of distributes little atoms of progressivism. Yes. Andor. I'm like, I'm like, It's so weird that that show is like Star Wars technically.

I was talking to you about Final Fantasy 7. It's like, it ends up in playing remake and she's finished remake and it is, because you grew up, you play it when you're a kid. Yes, it actually affected me so much that I quit playing all video games. But it's not a like, it's the reason, even saying this I feel cringe because I think a lot of moral responsibility is offloaded to, well, I consume X or Y media. I don't need to be considerate. I watch Ted Lasso.

I understand the appeal of it because branding yourself as someone that's progressive via consumption, like just what I eat, what I watch, I only eat organic, I don't buy brand name, that kind of stuff is like ultimately pretty worthless and actually distracts you from being more proactive, posting, taking up versus like actually doing local community action, stuff like that. However, I do, I know for a fact that there are extended family members of friends of mine who saw one battle after another because Leo DiCaprio was in Titanic, and that was the entire calculus for it, and then were exposed to a contemporary, modern depiction of something that was scary, but also very familiar.

Now, one battle of drama that I think gets a little too much cloud for politics. It's not a political movie. It's a family drama that has politics in it. It's not like a revolutionary movie. But, I actually have some not great movies. Whatever. I have mixed scenes about that movie. But it is a very, very strong, people pointed out before, the depiction of the

predominantly, it's like predominantly central American. community in I don't actually know what the city is that they're in. They're in Nevada somewhere right? Yeah. So they that that depiction I mean the whole with you're talking about the sensei's group.

Yeah the whole like yeah. It's three movies and that's the second movie essentially in the movie. Yeah. And that movie is it's most people's favorite part myself included and the depiction of that is like really admirable and

encouraging but also so not, again, like a bomb, right? It doesn't, at the end of the movie, they don't, like, raise Mexican flag and be like, we won! We beat racism. It's, like, more accurate than that, to some extent? I think the whole movie, the whole point of it,

is like, it's never, the work is never done, unfortunately. You only have mobility in your same circle. None of the villains are killed by any of the heroes. They just kill each other, because they're the people in positions that can do that. But, like, again, even saying it, like, my instincts are like, shut up, shut up, stop praising media.

for doing work. But that movie in particular and things like it, where I felt a little bit like, like my first instinct in that scene was like, oh yeah, I'm really not making a conscious effort to engage with, like, community activity outside of my immediate sphere of influence.

And maybe I should be a little bit more aware of that. And I've heard several anecdotes of uncles, cousins, iffy siblings who maybe drifted away from some more kind of progressive ideals because they stayed in the hometown and this friend of my moved out, see the movie and going like, oh, right. Yeah, I really hope we don't end up there. I have a great example of what you're talking about, but I fear that I'm going to be annoying. Is it involving a friend named Crookshanks? No, but I wish I had a friend named Crookshanks now.

Give it time. He did rivalry. Okay. has made a lot of women and queer people interested in hockey, and they're going to NHL games. And the NHL, which, to be honest, is the least popular of all of the major sports in the United States. Not in Canada. Canada, it's quite popular. But in the United States, it's not very popular. And so the NHL is like, oh, shit, all of a sudden, we're selling tickets like hotcakes.

and it's because of heated rivalry. So we need to pander to those fans. So the- Sutton Pivot is really funny. I'm sick of all these, oh, what do they give us? Well, so the NHL years ago banned Pride Night.

That's crazy. I didn't know that. At their games. And they even banned players from doing- Weird that they'd ban Pride Night at their games. I mean, that's actually a good point. See what I did there? They even banned players from wrapping their hockey sticks in rainbow tape.

Come on. Like, yeah, it's fucked up. The material ice is gay water. I mean, that's true. I'm not sure I understand, but continue. But so a lot of people are saying, so the commissioner and a bunch of other like heads of the NHL have said, you know, welcome to all the heated rivalry fans. We're so excited.

You're here. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Haven't seen the show. Haven't seen the show. Haven't seen the show. Out hockey. One guy didn't say, haven't seen the show,

but then he talked about it as, like he clearly hadn't seen it. And it was like, heated the rivalry. Yeah, it says a rivalry and it is not cold. And I love the hockey that is playing. But what I love about this is people are putting pressure on them and saying, hey,

you guys are going to try in, and benefit off of this. You need to fucking walk the walk. Like you need to have, you know, allow prionites, like make it a more welcoming because no one's gonna stick around.

If it feels unwelcoming. Unwelcome, yeah. It's like when you, it's like the, I always forget the term for this, but when you design public like utilities. Oh,

it's called like, um, It's like antagonistic, hostile architecture. It's like spikes on the side of benches. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like I want to perch. I'm a bird and I want to perch on this little thing, but they put spikes so I can't. So it's like even though it looked like a great place to perch, I'm not going to stick around. Yeah.

I think a common misconception as well in like, because truly a lot of that stuff, it's usually motivated by like, let's say some super trad, potentially very religious executive at a level that we never observe. of someone who's like investing in the NHL, whose name we don't even know, who made their money like extracting child plasma or something. There is you, it's, a lot of it is virtue signaling to a more traditional view of who watches sports and who consumes media and who has spending capital, right? So you ban Pride Night because you think it will signal some kind of virtue to your core demographic. They'll come to the games that buy more merch. The thing is, is that it's an outdated view.

If you just want to be cynical, not even progressive, if you just want to be cynical, if you just want to be purely cynical because the business minded, if you want to be pragmatic, the when you are making that signal, that dog whistle, barely even a dog whistle, we're just whistle, a regular whistle, to a more conservative demographic, when you invite a more diverse demographic,

and when you include or like welcome, say, the queer community to a given community, you aren't just welcoming the queer community, you are unhustalizing it for people that support the queer community. Right. Like you are, but like if I hear they got rid of that.

When we were talking to one of our friends at a dinner last week, and they were talking about one of their siblings inviting them to church, their question is, well, do gay people go to that church? Yes. And then it's like, and then if the answer is no, it's like, oh, I'm not going to go to church with you. Yeah. You know, it's like.

It's not only about me, but it is about what it represents like on. a larger scale and the number i mean if i was planning to go to an nchel game or like curious about it and then i just heard the anecdote you know they actually got rid of pride and i'm like fuck this yeah i don't it's not i'm not angry but like okay i get it this isn't a place because i go there and i'm surrounded by people who would support that kind of thing forget it is a thing where it's like okay look we i i'm not going to speak for you guys it's like i am not an activist i i don't deserve any credit for any of that stuff i'm like just a guy

I enjoy my treats and my cookies just as much as everyone else. And I'm embellishing a little bit here, but I just want to make it like in the most cynical case, it's like help me help you. Like I want to go to the NBA game and I want to feel good about it. And I don't want to, you know, no, I don't want to have to think about something that is going unsaid. Maybe it's like, this happens in a lot of sports, but it's like, oh, okay, like I wish they took more of a solid stance on people with like

records of abuse, you know, in the NBA, which is like, it's, they're few and far between, but they exist. Or like, you know, when stuff was happening in Minnesota and then the Timberwolves had to postpone their game. And then you started to see people speaking out on the atrocities that were happening in Minnesota. When Charles Barkley said something that was almost woke about what was happening, I was like, Whoa.

I mean, shout out to Chuck, actually, because he doesn't talk much. Like, he pipes up. No, I'm legit. Oh, no, no, I'm with you, I think. He will say, like, very progressive things when you least expect it. Right. Because in between him talking about big booty, bates. Like, what's the town that he's, like, in Texas?

He's got, like, a bit that he does, that he's done for years. It's about, I can't remember it's. And he is like, he is an old man. He's an old man. He's like 65. He, he like was a DJ at a pride party and was like, if anyone fucks with you, send him to Chuck, I'll kick their ass. He said like specifically, it's like all my trans friends, if anyone fucks with you, send him to me and I'll kick their ass.

And it's like an old man's idea. It is an ally ship. You know what I mean? Where it's like I'm cool. It's Uncle magic. You know what I mean? It's like you've actually, this is, Thanksgiving isn't so painful now. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Because we're uncle woke. It's, it's, I mean, I think it is especially valuable, especially valuable when it is like completely elective, right? Yeah. There is no default benefit to him doing that. There is not a simple, transparent benefit. If anything, there's, it's going to introduce a little bit of friction of people being

annoying. Especially because historically when, when athletes have spoken out about certain things, especially stuff that affects the bottom line. They are often made to apologize or walk things back. An example of this is the shut up and dribble stuff that always happens whenever, excuse me, an NBA player or something speaks out. But an example of the hypocrisy of the standard that athletes are held to that the industry itself is not, is, you know, John Morant for like brandishing a gun and Instagram live and then doing,

and then doing various like jokes about it was made to like kind of hang his head and apologize. And it's like, sure, that's all well and good. But I think he was also suspended for multiple, like, wasn't it a lot of games that he was suspended for? Yeah, I was. And it's like, it was like six games, 10 games. I'm not saying what he did was good. but then you find out that the owner of Jobman's team, the Memphis Grizzlies,

Robert Perra owns and operates a company that sells essentially satellite dishes to Russia through sanctions. This is a new Pablo Torre episode, recent hyperfocus. Kudos shoutouts to. Yeah, go watch Pablo Tori finds out. The investigation is by a different, like, affiliate, but they did this really in-depth investigation of how easy it is to like kind of buy this product when you're posing as a Russian military like representative and and it's like okay so so you know every every

independent entity has like called out a war crimes and atrocities of the Russian government and like the MBA is like completely silent about that but job rant like fake waves a gun and they're like Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, but then he like did brandish a gun in an Instagram live, but also Second Amendment. Like, you know what I mean? Like either you care about it or you don't. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like I get it.

You like want to be you. It's like all about your image. Yeah. But okay, let's stay consistent because billionaires own all of your, all of your franchises. And they're probably up to some nefarious shit. Yeah, I would say a lot of people are brandishing guns with the hell. of your targeting system to know where to brandish them. It's not exactly like less or more.

And so anyway, it's like I do think that there are different levels on the Walkometer of various like institutions. And we're allowed to consume, you know, it's like you're allowed to like the things you like and stuff. But I do think that continuing to ask more from these institutions, especially when they care about the profit motive. So it's a pretty easy carrot and stick where you can like be like, okay, what if it was. is like good PR? What if it's good profit? Like those are the incentives that in a capitalistic system, I feel like you need to, you need to have in order to get a company to behave less immorally because they won't, they will only, there is no conscience to a corporation. You have more impact with your like relationship with capital and spending than you do with your vote in many

cases. But it is a more, it feels more than shouting online. Yeah. It's not a, Can I give a quick PSA based on what you're saying about, like, you're allowed to, like, have your treats and live your life? Maybe that's me just defending my treats. No, no, no. I'm agreeing with you in the sense that, like, it's also, like, while it's important to do things that help your common person, it's also important to take care of yourself. Yeah. And part of that is the fact that social media is a Perfect angel.

Oh, oh. And it is a business that profits from you being angry and repeating what someone else has repeated and making someone else angry and then that person, you know. So much so that a lot of the things making you angry are automatic bot posts. Right. So while it's important to be informed and part of that is being online, and I totally agree with that. I think it's also important to limit your intake so you're not just destroying your own poor little soul and do things that take care of yourself.

I got the suggestion from my therapist, and I'm trying it, and it is helped, of not looking at my phone in bed. So if I am in bed, I am not looking at social media. I will play a little game on my phone if that's suited. but I won't look at social media. Do the New York Times Crosswood? Well, no, but I...

I could never, it's true. I'm not as smart as you. Here's a PSA. Play it. Okay. That's what the P's does. Here's a PSA, professional sports authenticators. Who would reconsider act.

I think like having little tricks and tips like that in your life where you force self... And I'm not talking about self-care where it's like, I'm going to eat a cake and drink a martini. Like, that's not really okay. I'm going to have a cake you needed to. If you leave one little crumb of it, you can't actually do that.

You know what? Let them eat cake. But like limiting your time online, doing things that bring you and your family or your friends, like happiness. Like those are the things that actually, like think of your intake as a cup. And if your cup is full of horrors, then

Why'd you put those in there? You're going to be paralyzed, right? You got the soda fountain, the remix machine or whatever. Yeah, the freestyle. The freestyle machine. It's like, mm, Coke Zero and horrors. Put a splash of cherry in your horrors.

You know what I mean? I put the red cherry with the blue raspberry and then I have grim nightmare. It's a garbage on the top. Which in retrospect is not helping me very much. Have you seen that Ryan Cougar clip? Can we pull that up? Ryan Cougler Soda.

I think if you search on Twitter, you'll find the clip. It's from Amy Puller's Emmy Award winning podcast. Real quick, can I add to what Anastasia is saying about like take care of yourself? Of course, help others around you and take care of yourself. I think there is a balance to making sure you are also well-informed and like thinking critically about everything that's going on in the world. not to go back to the family stuff, but can I read a quick thing that my sister sent me? Because I have never, say one. I've never seen someone actively as I am talking to them, get it?

Just like they're like, I see the switch because. It's like the XP is going up. Yeah, yeah. She said, I don't trust a singular news outlet and that makes it difficult to learn what's really going on in our world. but there are some things that were once opinion that are now just normal facts and I think that's fucking insane. I think I naturally lean wanting to take a stance

that just keeps everyone in my immediate world calm and peaceful but now there's no way to do that so I've actually had to use critical thinking. And I just like, because she is very much like she wants to be the peacekeeper so she just wanted to keep that happiness in those treats. Like now she's realizing I can't do that. It feels really bad to see people feel bad. It's a little like when if you have a friend

that goes to a really, really difficult breakup, And a lot of people will just be like, yeah, she was crazy. And they might not like think that or like, yeah, your ex was such a piece of shit. Because that's what they're saying. You're like, okay, well, the easiest way to get you to being comfortable right now is to do that, despite it having like, it's radiation. It's like it's bad for you long term to think that way. But there is something very, including yourself, it really does not feel good to acknowledge

a personal failure or a personal absence or whatever. But it probably feels really fucking good when you're. scared of something, political or otherwise, to then go into an internal WhatsApp or Discord chat with like-minded people that only feel the way that you do and for them to say, well, actually, it's like, you know, if you give Gestapo police a birthday card, they won't shoot you. And I'm like, oh, okay, so that's all I need to do. I'll walk around with birthday cards. Yeah.

Problem solved. I do think that you just don't have to sacrifice as much as you think you do to, like, you can have your treats and also care for your fellow person. You don't have to be like an ascetic monk with like, there's a good thing, good point. There's no virtue to limiting yourself care. That, that itself doesn't do anything. You can overindulge in absence of like positive things that would actually help you long term. But there's, there's nothing like, it's like if people that, the whole, this is actually, it's not my observation, but that's a common thing.

There's a Northern Lion shout out where Europeans, and I've seen. Saying this as spiritually still European, be it, you know. There's this whole thing about. I would say you're spiritually American with an European crust. I'm the day walker. I am Blade. Thank you for saying that. I am the daywalker.

You're literally European, but then spiritually American. No, I'm like, Blade, if he was better at fighting. I. Better. Wait. And didn't have crazy, crazy face. His face is fine. And go to jail for tax evasion.

Okay, okay. Okay, that's it. That's Wesleyan. I do think there's like this funny trope that does always ring true about how it's a running bit that Europeans will always make fun of Americans, North Americans in general, for having really huge fridges and then another fridge in the garage. And I remember people or central air and AC and stuff like that. The reason that a bunch of places in Europe don't have them is because the weather is less turbulent. or like it's more consistent at the very least and also the houses are older and just don't have the stuff.

Yeah, it's just an older building. It's not merit, but so many people adopt that as like reverse morals where it's like, wow, yeah, some people don't need a huge fridge. Like, do you have a problem with huge fridges or because you don't have one? You think that that is like some kind of like monk like ascetic. I think that there's something, something, it's like a human virus like that exists in us. because I've noticed the same thing when someone moves to a climate, like is from a like super cold climate and moves to a warmer climate.

So if it's like 12 degrees Fahrenheit in Florida, somebody and somebody's from like Michigan, they walk out and this, this is cold to you guys. Yeah. Yeah, it's cold to you also. You just have, you just have dead no. Give it.

Give it. Yeah, I was going to say give it a year or two and you will lose like your adjustment to this and it'll be cold to you as well. Don't complain about the heat. It's not like you're not like morally. stronger. It's, it's, which truth be told is like, we talked about it last week, uh, uh, gatekeeping suffering.

Yeah. But in reverse, like for that, it's like, okay, I shouldn't judge other people's grief or something by my own metrics. That's not fair. Okay, I'll keep that in mind. But the people who, and this is actually where I get, uh, rulesy, uh, that's not like, like where it, like activates my, uh, angry gut bio or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

is where people are introducing moral value to nobody asked. Somebody coming out and being like, oh, you're wearing a jacket in this weather. I'm like, why are we, I didn't want this conversation. You don't get to come up to me and suddenly be like, it's like somebody walking up and just being like, oh, so you like the color red, huh? Like, okay, well, I didn't know we weren't doing that.

I didn't know that that was bad. I don't mind the color that you wear. And it's, that's where, that's the, one of the few occasions where I will get, like, actively competitive is someone introducing conflict. Someone like inventing it. I agree. I think I would get the same way is what I would call defensive.

If I like show up somewhere and I'm like sweaty because I have hyperhydrosis and someone's like, did you run here? My God. What are you doing? I'm not out of shape. I didn't. It's like I'm not sweating because I exerted myself. I just, why are you making me explain this?

I don't know what I'm supposed to do now. to like make this go, yes. Like, what do you want? You're the funniest. That's some high school mindset stuff, especially. Like a, look, everyone, look. Don't think about what I'm, I look like on what I'm doing. Look over here, Mr. Ash, two eyes.

I feel good about myself. Mr. nose and fucking mouth. You making fun of me for my glasses? No, you just. And having a nose and mouth. Yeah, well, you have four eyes. Oh, I do, and glasses. I have the eyes from the substance where they kind of split the sound.

Let's watch this cougler clip. Coog me. You know I love a cougler. I know you love a cooop. Do we want to bet whether or not he's wearing a very big t-shirt? Do we want to bet if he looks very handsome? Yeah. Wait.

Okay. Well, if he does. Scalabrini. If he doesn't look handsome, I'm going to take that he doesn't look handsome because I think the odds on that are $1 to a billion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to bet $1. Yeah. And this episode is sponsored by Travis.

Draft Kings, ruin your life. When you were a kid, what did you, what did you eat at the movies? I just lost a million dollars. Oh my God, look at a movie. And I think he's wearing a big t-shirt underneath it. Shit. You look so handsome.

No, you only lost a dollar. You lost the chance to win a million dollars. But you have to give $1. $1.00 each of us. In the world? Yeah. All the listeners. It's woven right.

Would you bring stuff and sneak stuff in? Would you get it there? I cannot confirm or deny any snacks smuggling. Snack smuggling. I love the way it speaks. It's so good. He, uh,

okay. No, that's why I wanted to show this clip because of how he describes what he's about to say. Did I might have brought up peanut butter and jelly sandwich or two. You know what I mean? That was what I would do if I was into that. My go to was peanut M&Ms.

Um, I'm not a big soda, soda person, but like, but like when they say, I was trying to let you mix and match the drinks. I got involved with that. I kind of committed myself to that idea.

I got involved with that. What is this? I've heard about this subreddit so many times. What is it? Oh, it's like a, it's a subreddit about, like, gossip, Hollywood gossip. Why is it called Foie? Oh, because Dumois is a, it's two in French. Oh, yeah, this is, so this is like, yeah.

Dumois is like a. That's the gossip thing. And this is not that. It's like fake that. Fake that. Oh, like fake. Like fake. Gossip.

But Dumois is like a gossip rag on social media. They're like so and so spotted at this hot spot. Harry just meant Sally. When? In a diner. Yeah. And she's having. And she's coming in the restaurant or whatever happened.

Speaking of Nourner Line earlier, I wanted to, I think, I feel like you've seen this. I said. But I do. Yeah, that's the library of Latona. J. The what? The librarian in his chat runs a library of Leturno, his last name, that is all Northern Lion highlights and cut down to the bogs. And I think, look, Taco Bell's been coming back.

Subway fell the fuck off. We, similar to that, movies are coming back because movies were really, really bad for a little while. Then James Cameron saved them. Northern Ireland is back because a bunch of streamers keep gambling like child bones and stuff. Northern Lion has taken over He's back I love him Streamer streamer

This clip Canadian as well This uh This clip was very I connected to this To go see the lighthouse Next day he was pissed Because he was going out on a movie date

Honestly are the neurotipicals okay Might be the mermaid jerking off scene And the farting Okay so what are you suggesting It's inappropriate for a date You the fucking The shit that pisses me off As you are all atheists

and you're like, I don't want to watch a movie with farting is not appropriate for a date. It's going to offend her tender sensibilities. Like, your attitude towards the movies that you can watch on a date with a woman are unironically misogynist. Plus, the worst case scenario, if she actually does get offended

and she doesn't want to watch it, don't you trust her to be like, this shit's kind of weird, turn it off. Doesn't make any damn... Why are you so puritanical? You're 22! I can shut out. It doesn't matter.

Sit in the seat, watch the first 22 minutes of the movie, make out for the rest of it, fucking add it to letterbox with whatever the consensus score is. This is the way, bro. I can't believe we have grown adults covering their eyes during sex scenes in like R-rated award-winning films with their parents.

Just watch them fucking movie. I watched the hateful eight in theaters of my Mormon grandpa, and that scene was not a fun time. I'm freaking out. Why would you take your grandpa to a Tarantino film? Because he's lived long enough up later, then he can appreciate true cinema. I'm fucking dying. I'm fucking dying.

You don't believe that these are real people. You don't believe that the person you're taking out on a date and possibly wooing and maybe falling in love with and getting married and starting a family with is a real person with interiority and so an autonomy of their own. You don't believe that the people who raise the people who raised you are real people

with complicated emotions and mature sensibilities that can actually handle stuff. I'm freaking out. You think you're the only real person. You're literally looking at the demography of it and I'm being, oh, this movie wouldn't be appropriate for them. They're not an 18 to 35 year old male. He spends eight hours a day on Reddit.

What are you talking? fucking about it's fucking fire that's like truly it's really good such a um goat of peloton goat of he's a peloton andy i mean he looks very fit he's an animal dude um i want to get peeps's opinion since they're the closest to this demographic do you find you have the tenderest sensibilities of all of us but do you find that because i i think i've experienced this just through the internet and the way people respond notably this i was reminded of this earlier because there's a about the 25-year-old guy who's not even,

we don't even know if they're dating the 40-year-old guy from Peter rivalry, but they hang out. And then someone on the internet called them a pedophile. And I was like, what are we doing here? Yeah.

So which part do you want my opinion? I want your opinion on the sensibilities of like, like, like, seeing nudity or sex in a movie and stuff like that. Well, I don't, I don't, care for like the when I'm watching

a movie with someone and there's a sex scene I'm like yeah we're both adults this is fine I don't like them because I am uncomfortable I'm ace I don't know if that's lore that's ever been dropped on the show but I you mention it most episodes yeah I try to top and bottom I try to mention it a few times per episode

peeps is it um just so I'm just like personally not comfortable with that stuff just because of who I am but it's not because I'm with someone else that is that I think. I just think it's like the I know I notice this people like infantilize adults. Yeah.

And that's like the craziest part too. I think everyone and I and I am as guilty of this at a certain point in my life and it was kind of a like revolutionary moment in my early 20s where it suddenly clicked that everybody else contains as many multitudes as I do. And that includes that they might be finessing me the way I think I'm finessing them. Like me. thinking, wow, everyone here believes in the character I'm portraying, whereas they are just raw, open wounds with no veil, detail, or interiority.

I am, in fact, the most authentic person around, and everybody else that I'm talking to is implicitly an NPC, like thinking everything I'm hearing from someone is the most authentic version of themselves, but in reverse thinking that there are too many elements to me, you wouldn't even know it. You contain multitudes. I change my accent a little bit. So you and understand me, you don't even know that.

Whereas they may have done exactly the same thing. You've never even heard my actual voice. You are that meme where the guys standing in the corner of the party being like, they don't know. They have no idea, except I'm smiling for some reason to my side. I think that's some kind of moral virtue. I do think America is, or, you know, we're a puritanical country compared to a lot of other countries. I'm not going to say all of them, but compared to a lot.

our culture is extremely prude because we have a background of like hyper fanatical religiousness right so uh i was raised by a man who has who's greek and a woman who's cuban who didn't have those puritanical sensibilities and nudity was common in my house uh my dad walked around in his underwear all time. We had nude paintings, paintings of nude women on the wall. And I remember my little friend coming over for dinner one time

when I was in elementary school. You were also little. I was also little, but I probably at the time called them my little friend. Say a load of my little friend. Hi. Her name is cheesecake. Hello. I have a god.

Her name was Lissette DeMars. She said, I don't think I'm allowed to look at that to one of the nude paintings on the wall. So funny. And so I do feel like I have been shamed a lot for just like talking about sex as a just normal everyday thing. And like my, my, my, I have, I have watched so many sex scenes with my parents.

We are not, okay, stop breaking. We're not uncomfortable sitting next to each other and like watching a movie. Have I ever told that the story, there's not much of a story, but when I watched eight mile, I was watching it with my 65 year old great aunt and she, and there's a sex scene at 8 mile and she was like, in the studio when he walks in and he catches his girlfriend.

I'm like, are you, she was like, are you allowed to be watching this? And I was like, yeah. And then that was the end of it. Do you have a license for this? That is one thing. Like I, interesting like relationship dynamics like growing up in a split home is that like I cannot watch a movie, like I can't watch like

a sex scene if my dad is there. I get very uncomfortable because I know he gets uncomfortable with that. But if it's like with my mom like this is what we're both adult A fab, like it's fine. I think it's more like like but I have no I totally understand the uncomfortable feeling of like that type of like thing in the same room with a parent. I think it's more like I can't you oh no. Oh yeah. You're such a small being. Yeah.

Acknowledging it is the weirdest move possible. It is, there was one time, the first time I ever watched Rocket Man was on a plane and I didn't know. How many times did you watch Rocket Man? I really liked Rocket Man. I had a big Elton John phase. Watch and thank God everyone around me was asleep

because I didn't know the history of Elton John and there's a lot of sex in that movie. It's a music by Alpine. Yeah, well yeah, I know, but I just didn't know about him. I thought it was like about him being gay. Well, yeah, he was a sex addict And I didn't know that about it I didn't know that about him

But then I was talking about it was like Oh, Rocket Man is really good My dad was like oh I haven't seen it We should watch it together I said nope Nope I said no You can watch it I'll watch it somewhere else

We're not watching a year You're in the other room listening To him watch it I think do you I think there is kind of a performative element To it sometimes as well Where like the Those Puritan values or trad values

That are implied in a dynamic If never acknowledged out loud Have to be maintained It's kind of it's a little like if, I don't know, you were just like, I've had friends. My mom was never religious, but we had some friends that would like come over and it was kind of silent there, so and so. And I have this vivid memory of, it's kind of a crunchy granola, hippie town some of the time. But then in contrast, there's just like a lot of people

that moved there to buy houses when it was cheaper there because it became a big tourist town. And all the people there from like cities and the like are typically less whatever you want to call it spiritual, myself included. And they would, I just very specifically remember a conversation where my mom was hosting a little mini hangout at my house. And I'm sat in the corner, almost certainly playing Bioshock, just statistically speaking, it's Bioshock or fallout three, probably. I'm sitting there. And I just specifically remember my mom saying something in the vein of, I think it's really nice that people can gather for this, you know, spiritual experience at a church or something like that.

I wouldn't do something like that because God doesn't exist. But I just think it's such an interesting. And I remember that that being something that only the transparency of my mom could throw out there because in her mind always. And this is why I think like for me, sex scenes or whatever in movies was never really a taboo in my house because she was always bothered by fake trad taboo. It was like I now being a little older, actually my mom's the best example. I was always so like, my mom's a super transparent, open person, there are no greater

depths happening in there. She's like open. She's transparent. She's here. And then you get a little older and you go like, wait, but she has all these experiences. Like she has all this life. You don't Mr. McGoo your way into that. just like, oops, like babies day out, walking under an eye beam, that goes out, dumps him in a pool.

It's just not how life goes. If you're exposed to things, they seep in. And now, in retrospect, I do think, like, wow, that's... So, presenting yourself as, like, confident and open and transparent is more often than not, I think, a mask in many cases, which I think is where, like, you know, in both of our cases, we've been incorrectly identified. as very socially comfortable. Oh, yeah. Because it's trained, you know, it's conditional. Learned, like, learned skill.

It's like, whoa, you've studied the blade. You must love using the blade. You must have born with the point. You must have killed so many people. Well, I sent Jacob the Heated rivalry tweet I was talking about. Yes, this tweet, New Frontiers and Age Gap Discourse. This is just like, this is a combination of the Northern Lion Crashout, plus the parisocial stuff from last week.

Yeah. Okay. Attention seeking creepy pito fuck off. And then it's Connor caressing Francois's waist. Caressing is, I feel like, a little much. It's their arm around them at a event. They're taking a photo. And the age gap is what?

So on the left, 40 on the right, 25. So no one cares. He's a child. He's like an adult. But Connor is the one. squeezing his waist so doesn't change the fact that he's a creepy petto. And then next, oh, you can just hit the, yeah, petto to a 25-year-old grown man, and then he's 40 and Connor is 25.

So what's your point here? Where's the child? Go back to 10 years. He's 30 and Connor is 15. Age difference doesn't work like that, sweetheart. Another 10 years? Really weird. The only thing is age difference doesn't work like that sweetheart could be

said to this person calling him a video. It doesn't work like that. To the right again. He was only 15 if you hypothetically went back 10 years, you sick, fuck. That is a stable take, for sure. I can frame out what

that episode would be and it would be, because this is mostly full hairline stable. So we're talking about an era. You say mostly full hairline where it is. It's because his hairline is almost out of frame. This is, it's the closer to get to Phil. They're in the old interrogation room.

So we're maybe talking season three here, maybe season two. Season two, Stabler is not yet at the point in the show where he's allowed to just like extra judiciously send people to jail. But he can, he gets in trouble for like not Miranda Isaac. That's like the thing that happens. He goes like, you have the right to remain sick, you pervert or something, puts him in the car. And then whoever the floating DA is, probably Alex at that point of believe. Um, she says, you, the, your job is to make sure I can send them to jail.

And look what you've done. It's like, not really, but I guess it is. Yeah, it's like, there's actually, uh, there's laws. This is a scene where a guy is falsely arrested, but maybe being associated. And so they comb through his personal records to find a reason it wasn't bad. And then the episode ends with him sat in a prison cell and a long, like, bow on the violin to be like, wow. really makes you think what if a guy went to jail?

Whoa, I never really considered that. Would that be allowed? And then, like, Olivia would make some, like, creepy off-color comment about, like, the prison at the show would end. I wonder what they would say to, like, that could be applied to any... Yeah.

That's the other thing is that, and I have to, this is really important. We don't know that they're in a relationship. Yes. They are, as we know currently as the public, friends. This is iconic, like we're saying, pulling someone into a conversation kind of thing. The basis of this conversation makes no sense. Because it is a, I invented, what if Godzilla was here?

Yeah. Okay, but he's not. Yeah, but if he was, it would be bad. You sick fuck if Godzilla was here. You wouldn't care? You would destroy New York. Godzilla's like 200 and he's dating Mothra, who's only 100. They were in a cocoon 50 years ago.

And that's okay to you? So my friend who's 45 is married to someone who's late 60s or maybe early 70s. I'm not sure. So this person would argue that's a problematic age gap. But I know my friends, they are so perfect for each other. It's bonkers. Like they didn't meet till the younger one was in his late 30s or like mid to late 30s. it was a hundred percent like a match made in heaven they ended up getting married

yeah it's dangerous right it is like absolutely a perfect relationship and there's no power dynamic that is upsetting and there's also like honestly my friend just likes older guys he always has i do think it is like it was only 15 if you hypothetically went back in time you so yeah at one point in time he was a baby. You ever think about that? You freak? Did you guys you guys are mad about Hitler?

If you come back in time, he was a baby. You would have sent him to jail? Are you out of your mind? I mean, it's like a, again, it's like forced moral victory kind of thing where I'm like, okay, so let's entertain every single part of what you are saying right now. Let's entertain the idea that they're dating, which is not the case, it seems. Let's entertain the idea that age gap is odd in some way, whatever number makes you, feel uncomfortable so and so.

The final nail in the coffin lies with that. It's like, okay, but they're consenting adults. So that's the end of it. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, all of this discourse can happen and all this conversation can happen, but the judge in this case is the couple. Yes. And once that said, there is, there's no more conversation.

I also think like, so I think we often forget that one of the most important things is like patterns of behavior. Yeah. So, like, Leonardo DiCaprio has continued to age. We know this. What? And yet he continues to dump girlfriends when they turn 25, right? That is a pattern of behavior.

So it's a little troubling. It's because they're on his insurance. They turned 26, like, I can't help you anymore. I only date women who are on my insurance. I'm trying to get them on Blue Shield. I mean, I've dated people that are, like, older than. me that were annoying in the way that I anticipated people younger than me being? Yeah, it's almost like people are different.

I mean, it is exclusively life experience that plays into it. That, you know, that said, it's the pattern of behavior thing is right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm also just, I'm so tired of involving myself or even seeing anyone involving themselves in the lives of people for, like, what's the word, like, catharsis, I guess, or just like, it's like, um, these guys that, because they were in a TV show,

have now been a quiet. They have now been like put in the inventory of people on Tumblr. It's just like the parasycial stuff is just like so dangerous. Can you imagine showing this to them, like to the people? You're like, what the effect? But that's just, yeah,

an addendum to our episode last week where people are just like, I own these. These are actually not people, their characters and infantilizing them as characters that exist with the same maturity is me a child. Isn't it feel?

So I actually saw a clip of them that I think Paris Fashion Week is happening right now. Lala. Or some Paris Fashion thing is happening. I heard that Paris fashion was weak. Yeah. Famously bad. Just dragged Paris fashion. That's right.

Look out Eve Saint Laurent. No, but. Look out Donatella Versace. Is that a person that's alive? Yeah, but she's more Italian or something. Look at Raphael and Leonardo. They were at an event and someone said, can I take a photo of you two?

Oh, he's looking like Morpheus. Can I take a photo of you two together, Francois and Connor? And they sat together and took the photo and then they moved apart and Robbie sat between them. And I bet they're doing that on purpose because poor Francois getting death threats. Well, in the show, I guess, won't be it. Is there any?

Any element of the show related to, what's the name of the older guy, of the incredibly old man? Is he involved in any romantic element of the show at all? Yes. Because that feels like what's being. But not with that guy. Not with either of them. But that's what I feel like he's being a. Robbie G.K., who's a different guy.

Who was a teenager at some point. No. Well, at some point. Yeah, wait. No. No. No, that's really problem about. He took an aging serum to make him skip teen years.

Oh. It's a time skip. I would love to do that. Yeah. When I was 13. Oh my God, skipping the whole process. That would be great. Being mentally stunted essentially because I have no like relatable reference points to people.

That happens to real people on the internet. It's like too much discord. Yeah. Time flies. Time flies when you're threatening anonymous people. No, but his story's separate. He falls in love with a different guy. And then the two mains are Connor and Hudson who have their own romantic journey.

I want to watch this show. but I think I'd be too busy thinking going, hmm, I'd be sitting there listening and be going like, wow, that's really valid for me as an ally. We end up every episode. We end of every episode of tap boys with a particular price. We love you.

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