Sad Boyz - Eddy Burback Ghosted Our Kitchen

Episode Date: March 14, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jarvis. Do you like the little dance? I just did a little dance that I'm going to do. Oh, I didn't see it. Wait, I want to see the little dance. I did like something along the lines of like feelings and other things also. I don't remember the dance. Yeah, we'll have to play that back. Your own YMCA type thing.

Feelings and other things also. Yeah. But it's not just us come on and we're joined um by our dear friend our dear real life friend which i do feel like i need to mention eddie burback hello yeah we are real actually real life friends yeah much more than i think most like creators are i didn't i honestly this is like i was gonna leave this for later in the episode but i found it like really nice and kind of touching that i haven't even been back that long and we have become like because we have like we've known each other a very long time yeah but the i think through both

being like not really setter uppers of like social stuff or at least like back when we each other a few years ago and then me being away for a couple of years it's been really nice just like uh it's like a long distance relationship meeting up and being like oh the dynamics real quick yeah that's not waste time with the dating process i don't know if you had mentioned it but as as like you were going through the process of coming back i was frequently asking yeah that is true i'm so excited for jordan to come back yeah and eddie not to butter your bread but i feel it uh make me slippery blt time it's uh i bring in that guy from twitter who eats raw meat with like a stick of butter um he slathers eddie up um but no eddie i think is in in the sort of corner of our friend group that we exist in a setter up of things i feel like

more things happen because of eddie and chrissy than happen because of me for sure because i'm bad at setting chrissy and i for for many reasons are a good match but socially we are both people who uh like setting up plans i don't i mean i don't like the process of it because like i don't especially it it comes with a lot of anxiety of of thinking you might be like too much or or you're like yeah uh or the stress of like trying to work something out but i think just with my friend group naturally uh like when i was growing up that just kind of became the thing and the same with chrissy so it's just, it's kind of nice to just be like, Oh,

should we, uh, get something together this weekend and then cut to Friday. And it's like all our friends. It is nice to have that feeling of like, Oh, I haven't seen my friends in a while. And there's something I can do about it.

There's also like, I think you particularly, like if we hang out, you have like a very distinct community and common things to do for those who don't know Eddie. Eddie's a, uh, Oh, people't know eddie eddie's a uh oh people will know me so that's okay people who don't know eddie what the hell yeah what are you doing die die die die die eddie's a wonderful creator uh on youtube primarily a hilarious comedian um and just like

enjoyer of things and stuff um and a great tweeter as well. Thanks. One of my favorite tweeters. A dank poster I would go to. Oh, God. Elon Musk has nothing on you, I think. I. Except for the billions of dollars. Yeah, that's true.

The billions of dollars. Owning the platform you're talking about. Yeah, that's true. And you know, he's an African-American. I don't want to. That's true. We're still waiting for the 23andMe test to come in. 100% South African.

Dude, you come in, you start doing AAVU. You brought the paper. With a South African accent. 100%. Yeah. What's going on, King? How you doing? I'm doing good.

I just uploaded a video I worked very hard on. Great video. Thank you. Also, mainly when I do something like a video like that, because it's 40 minutes, I edit the whole thing. So I just don't want to do anything, but just kind of like chill for a week. I think that you, of the people I know in this business are the best adjusted at doing something that you're proud of and actually appreciating and like kind of rewarding yourself and like sitting

on it for a moment. I'm glad that's how it comes off. I think like I definitely, I definitely can be like, like sitting on it and just hoping that people like it, but it's more, I think the relief of I, uh, for, for people that don't know the videos on ghost kitchens and it's like 40 minutes long. I think I already said that. Um, but, uh, when the night before I released it, cause I don't think people know a lot that like when I do those videos, um, I am editing, like, I don't, I can't like work little chunks over like a couple of months. So it usually ends up that like most of the writing and most of the thinking about it

happens for a while. And then the editing is like a two week, I don't do anything but edit. It's like I run every day. That's the break. And then I try and also maintain like just healthy time with like other people. Like obviously like you're setting boundaries, like healthy relationships with like Chrissy of us hanging out. I would never be like,

Hey, I'm gone for two weeks, but anything other than that, I'm editing. I'm a YouTube phenom. Yeah. Don't forget. I'm on my computer.

I'm gaming. Hey, Eddie, do you want to go on a walk? Do you know you're talking to? Don't even talk to me until I've had my edit. Premiere, yeah. Don't even talk to me until I've had my Premiere Pro.

But I would describe like the last nine days of my life as other than those moments, like other than spending time with Chrissy or like sleeping or eating. It is like wake up at 9 a.m., edit for 12 hours that day, then hang out with it still kind of in the back of my brain, and then wake up and do it.

So then I think it's mainly that when I'm done, I'm like I couldn't even possibly think about making another video right now. I just need to like escape from this for a little bit because I put all my energy in. You don't want to resent the process. Yeah, and I also get convinced the day before uploading that everybody's going to hate it. I was also, I also get convinced the day before uploading that everybody's going to hate it. I was going to ask if you went through that cycle. Cause I think there is a cycle

of like, I have a great idea. Um, I shot the idea, uh, I'm editing or, and then I shot the idea. It didn't go as I imagined it in my head. Now I'm editing the idea. Oh, is this anything? Yeah. And then you like, you're like, Oh wait, I'm onto something. And then by the time you've seen it so many times, you're like, I hate it. And no one is going to like, yes. And something I'm trying to work on one is probably so annoying to people in my life is like to help with that. I'll show people like what I've done. I'll show clips all the time. Yeah. Cause I need some kind of good feedback because I'm trying to work on this. The, like the self talk in my head during the entire editing process is just like, I, I will picture.

And I, in some ways it's helped me, but in some ways it's hurt me. I picture always this viewer that like hates me so much and like is so ready to click off the video and not an intention, an attention way, like for like audience retention or whatever. Right.

But more so that like, I just, for people thinking that it's good, I'm like rewatching. And if I make, if I say a point that's like not, I guess worded in the best way, my brain will immediately be like,

this guy's a fucking idiot. I can't fucking stand this dude. And so, yeah, I don't know. It's like, I, I was convinced right before the ghost kitchen video came out that the comments were gonna roll in and people were gonna be like dude you worked really hard on this but like it was it's clear

that you tried man but this sucks like i don't know why to go that's youtube comments man it's like well-constructed feedback with considered points we love comments yeah yeah and it's always people who have done exactly what you are doing and can really put themselves in your shoes people that judge you accurately it's often people that have done literally anything ever yeah you know what i mean and not maybe have no sense of community or raised on discord and they're the people who do the most are the ones who have time to write comments yes took a break from raising my family checking in hey eddie enjoy a lot of the stuff peaked at knees people have been like so

peaked at knees is such like a deep cut but um what can i say they've actually rolled in for this one and been exactly what i was hoping for people are super nice then they're like we can tell how hard you worked on this, but also very interesting on that. Unless we actually, if we want to talk about ghost kitchen stuff later, I can save that. Oh, I mean,

we're good. Um, a lot, a lot of people, um, which is not like research I could have done before have now who either like worked at a ghost kitchen or, um,

like as an, in the industry of those companies or, uh, um, like worked at say like a Red Robin where they added like a Mr. Beast Burger have just been like flooding my comments with like this tripled the labor of our kitchen for no extra pay

or like, yeah, the food quality was awful. Like I had to quit because I didn't feel good about us like sending out meat that wasn't good for people. That's not just Mr. Beastetsburger, but that's anything. For those who don't know what a virtual kitchen is or a ghost kitchen, it is a nameless, brandless like kitchen that is making food for a fake virtual restaurant. Yeah, so there's virtual restaurant kitchens that are, yeah, a building that are like, they really only make a specific set menu of foods and then they just invent like a hundred

virtual fake restaurants that all pretend to be separate businesses. With like 50 names and like go for yourself. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the Codfather. I do love, it's like, I feel like I have a six, no, it's not a six cents. I know what a dumb pun is when I see it.

It's like every one of these fucking ghost kitchens is the silliest. At least they have fun with it. That's the one thing I'll give them. It is fun. Talk about it. If you gotta like it, ask it. Yeah. Then others can be like, like existing businesses.

So like you can, a frequent one is a Bucca di Beppo or like a Red Robin. Yeah, Red Robin. Or a Chiliies or an ihop that is like they take their menu and they're like well we we make shitty quesadillas what if we just pretended to also be a quesadilla place i just randomly say by the way i didn't find out about buca di beppo till you know like 2017 it was like a friend of ours cole's wedding yeah and it sounds racist sounds like you're making fun of an italian it just or it just sounds like uh okay what can we go to making hey let's go to tony spaghetti whatever sometimes we i we don't

generally end up cutting it out because we do check and we try and be respectful but every now and then we'll like use a term on the show and we're like we should look that up is that am i accurate like kiwi we checked if because kiwi is native we're like let's just triple check but also yeah i said somebody was like yeah it's uh i was just going to like uh excuse me isn't it so fun to say it It is very fun to say. It's unreal how fun Bukidabepo is to say. Like y'all were talking and I was just, I wanted to say Bukidabepo.

Bukidabepo. Go for it. Bukidabepo. It kind of sounds like someone's doing like rap guide. Like Bukidabepo. There were times that I'd be like ranting to Chrissy

about like something I found out in the research for it. And no joke, I'd be like kind of pissed, but then I would. Wait. Jacob's just turned his laptop around and on translates his book translates to pothole real i don't understand that's worse is that is it like uh like a like the bottomless pit of italian food actually i think maybe they they they might have some kind of like big pasta deal.

So maybe that's, but I was like, I would be ranting about something I researched and no joke, I'd be like in the middle of being really mad about this, like kind of insidious like business. And then in my brain, as I saw, I would, I'd be like, oh great. In the middle of my anger, I get to say Bucca di Beppo in 20 seconds. I'd be like, it's coming. It's almost like a Guitar Hero note. Yeah, no, literally.

You're like, seeing it scroll across. I'm seeing an open space for a solo. Yeah. Think about what this does for labor and small businesses, and they make them at Bukidabepo. Bukidabepo. That's a hammer-on. Yeah.

Bukidabepo. It's, yeah. My brain's whammying this shit out of the word. I was going to say, the most insidious takeaway that I had from your video was how if you just make a bunch of fake restaurants, you can push out real like restaurants from the, like I was gonna say from the algorithm, but from the feed, because all of these food apps, delivery apps operate on a feed and there's only so much space on the screen. Yeah, I ended up cutting out this example

because I felt like people kind of understood it the most. But like one of the first things that I wrote for, so like what we mentioned of the virtual restaurant kitchen, specifically, it'll be like in like kind of a more neighborhood type area, I feel like at least in LA, um, where this one kitchen will have like, say the one I found was 44 different restaurants. But the, the example

that I wanted to give is like, imagine if your family use, like, there's like recipes from like your grandmother and they're like, Oh, you know, you think, Oh, we should open up a restaurant. You either get a loan and like put your, or put your life savings into opening this place. Let's say it's just like an authentic taco place. And then you like finally are starting to get some business. And then one of these kitchens opens like down the block from you. They instantly open up like four or five competitors just making tacos. Yeah.

Instantly on Uber eats or Postmates or DoorDash. Like you're instantly. It should not be allowed to do that because they are effectively the same restaurant right so it's it's like if i hop surround it it was just if you scrolled and it was like i hop i hop i hop i yeah you know what i mean like literally what is the difference between just having more listings yeah just that and eclipsing the one actual place and one thing i'll it's it's still not fair but one thing i'll understand or i understand is that like there's a lot of stuff i cut because it was like

too hard to follow like i found out i looked up i was scrolling through and i found this pizza place and i was like i'm just gonna check if this is a ghost kitchen and i checked and it's a local pizza place that i've gotten stuff from and i believe it's like a semi-small business. And I think just to up their business, they doubled the pizza places like on Uber Eats. So they pretend to be two. And it's like, I mean, I don't think that's right either. But if you're competing against all of these virtual restaurants, it's like you, I guess, have to play the game

if you're trying to keep your like family afloat. I don't know. It's just like a fucked business. It's one of those things where you can tell when it's wrong right because yeah when you're like oh there's 44 virtual restaurants for one it made it so easy to talk about the ethics of it when you can just tell somebody a fact and they're like are you fucking serious yeah like that was so easy i remember you sent me um well i don't want to ruin the video but there's a great yeah leave this and go watch my yeah there's a great reveal

of information i think you just watch eddie's video it's wonderful covering all the same shit don't fucking leave wait no yeah no let's no let's leave it here as a little teaser so play it now before we started talking about the video we just put it in the middle of the video really small like the subway servers at the bottom. It's like, yeah, like a minus 30 decibel. You can hear it the whole time. So before we started talking about some of the nitty gritty ghost kitchen stuff, we were talking about the feedback. And one of the things that I've been seeing on social media the past few days

is just random people on my feed casually talking about the new eddie burback video and that was like so like i was like oh send me those yeah i know i know i said something that's what i saw oh yeah i saw no it said something also um no no it's a reply guy he gets him he's always just says nice stuff yeah i uh but yeah i saw somebody else this random account that i follow was just like i i just learned that mr beast is younger than me from the new eddie burback video or whatever which is great by the way and i was like let's fucking go you have a very like interesting relationship with the broader internet community you know like known as just eddie to a lot of people independent of just being like we have a lot of like poster friends right like people that are just very popular and posted but they're like

kind of artificial to people that people don't assume that they're full human beings they see them as people on like large character and then just assume they get loads of money and that it's just like you know again that there's a mirage to like how people work when you don't see them that much yeah yeah but there's something specifically about you that people are very like protective of do you remember when like keem said some bullshit about you and the internet like a guard dog everyone i know was just like i'm gonna murder and kill you don't say don't speak to that don't ever talk to me or my son eddie yeah that it was it was it was nice to see people it's like it was uh four years ago yeah it was i that's something too that it's like i i even think back and it's like i don't even like give a shit to even i don't

even think i'd respond to something like that now it's i it's like you know as you get older and you spend more time on the internet you're like that type of interaction it's just like super weird but i also did think it was kind of funny at the time but um it's probably in a boost really yeah and then you get to validate this position you have now of i'm not going to engage with that because i already know that the other people like me and I don't yeah but it's like I don't know I think um I don't know I don't know what that is I'm people are very nice I think part of it might be I my guess maybe is that and this is like I've not given it really any thoughts I'm just talking off the top of my head but I was pretty young when I started doing this.

And I mean, I would even say emotionally, there's definitely, it's not unheard of at all for somebody who's about 20 to have their YouTube channel start working. But I also went to community college and did not have kind of adult experiences. I had some, I would visit friends at college and I would like drink at home and like play video games and,

uh, with like my brother Tony or my friend Zach. And it's just like, I felt like I didn't have like a real perspective and was definitely very, uh, new to everything when everything started. And my guess maybe is that some people that have followed me during that time have like maybe feel that a little bit of protection because they've seen me

like grow into a, like a real person. I'm a real boy now. I mean, damn dude, you never know the last time you're going to pick up your kid. Right. It's just a, it's jazz, not, not science. Who knows? It's that plus a bunch of other factors. But I think you're, you just add an intersection of like certain audiences and produce a certain type of work and i don't know present yourself well yeah i mean again just buttering the blt yeah i love this i don't like you outside of content your content yeah like as a person you're bad

i i was gonna say i think you're easy to root for because I think you've got a good head on your shoulders. And I've always felt this way about you. And I'm, you know, we're not much older than you, but I think that when you're in your early 20s, you can feel that like gap a little bit more. So I think when we met, you were like in my head as just a slightly more green. Oh, absolutely. you were like in my head as a, just a slightly more green, you know? And then I, but I always was like, you always have like a hometown kind of friend energy. And I always felt like we got along and, you know, I thought really highly of you and that has not changed. And so I'm glad that like, you know, the internet at large is, you know, seeing your value in, you know, we can call

out a parasocial relationship or anything like that, you know we're all biased but we like love to see a friend thriving and a good person yeah i think even that parasocial stuff has been nice because i've also spent time talking about it like publicly before too and i think people have been like pretty respectful i think also part of it i think part of the reason that some people and i'm not i'm not agreeing with this everybody likes me thing because I don't think that's true, but I think- I didn't say that. We don't like you.

I don't know that we made that clear. Tony is like, he's not a fan. Tony, I love, well, it's one thing I always mention. Tony still will just be like, oh, you uploaded? Like when, if it's like the next day and he knows, like I worked really hard on it, but like he- This uh eddie's brother tony yeah yeah twin brother tony uh oh you're eddie yeah that's me oh you oh this is real awkward oh shit but i gotta get tony on i think part of it dude i love that guy did you see the intro on whatever his name is this guy's video

that was the in 30 minutes. But yeah, I also think it's something I enjoy doing and I think is also good is people don't, I don't want people to see me if I don't have something to like show them. And I think that also creates like a good feeling of like, oh, cool, he's back. Cause it's like, I'm like a kid who's like drew a picture

and everybody's the parent that I'm like,'m like a kid who's like drew a picture and everybody's the parent that i'm like please put it on the fridge like that's all i want and then i go back to drawing and then that's it no that's that's real um it's like if a kid came up with a drawing and it's like photo real what the fuck is this photorealistic drawing of mr beast but like he's like the statue of david naked as well whoa um i challenged uh 100 renaissance sculptors um it's mr beast as the thinker i do want to um this the reply guy like thing or the internet dunking on keem when he like went after eddie reminded me of something that is in probably in here somewhere i challenged 100 trojans to sneak inside this horse yeah they're all in the horse the mr b's thumbnail is him shushing people inside the horse

that's right inside a chinese dragon to see if there were guys him shushing people inside the horse. I would incite a Chinese dragon to see if there were guys in there. So I created a new disease to try and shut down the world. The thumbnail of Mr. Beast parting the Red Sea. Dude, Mr. Beast. He's like

woe-jacking. He's woe-jacking the Red Sea. That'd actually be an awesome thumbnail. I was betrayed by one of my disciples and it's the thumbnails thing. I feel like that is Mr. Beast's process where he, like now that we've come up with a good thumbnail concept, he's probably going to make it happen.

Wait, he needs to leave the Last Supper challenge. Oh, Judas, sit down, man. Where are you going? I've got to go talk to someone. I grabbed my 12 producers. I saw who can stay the longest on a crucifix. I have a feeling that Jimmy would be like, it would be a big video if I died and came back three days later.

That would be a fucking awesome video. I was raptured. I sound like Chills. No, you sounded like chills this entire time. I was trying to say you were doing your chills. That's my buccaneer beppo. I just love speaking in the chills place. Okay.

I saw a Mr. Beast short recently. It was an interview of Mr. Beast. And he was talking about when he dies, how he wants to have a last to stop touching his tombstone challenge. I thought you were going to say his body. I was like, oh, man. With like Carl and like all of his friends. His family.

To be honest, that's one thing where I'm like, that's kind of funny. That's fine. No, but he said do it for real. And if anybody like gets mad, he like wants it. I kind of fuck with that. There's rare things, though. I real. And if anybody gets mad, he wants it. I kind of fuck with that. There's rare things, though. I know. It was funny.

That's like the one piece. When I die, all of my treasure will be somewhere in the great sea. The one thing I wanted to talk about is something I think we probably are all familiar with related to Mr. Beast. Which is? How hot he is. How'd you know? It's the chocolate debacle the

situation so summoning old children so mr bees tweeted um like the pied piper he tweeted i need your help okay so first of all when when this tweet came out i texted it to eddie and chrissy and i texted it to you and Anastasia. And I was like, this, this, something's going to happen here. And then there were crickets for a moment. And then recently there's been a tidal wave of backlash on this tweet. But the tweet was, I need your help. Next time you see Feastables in Walmart and in soon to be new retailers if you could clean up

the presentation and make it look better that'd make me very happy i'm building a team to do this routinely just need help in the short term and and then building a team it'll take months it's like i understand like i just want to say that I don't think any of us have ever said that like Mr. Beast is malicious in his approach. He's a CEO. Yeah, he is. But also I think he's just like – I don't know if he – like he was – and he also does respond well to feedback or at least responds to feedback and as good a way as i could expect them to but the concept of like asking your young and impressionable audience like yeah labor for you as a one of like the richest youtubers ever in the history of the world just doesn't

even have to be that it's a weird thing or an unethical thing. It's just bad optics. It's a very weird thing to do. I think mainly, and I was really back and forth of how I wanted to talk about Mr. Beast in my video, especially how it relates to his business being the number one ghost franchise in the world. Or maybe not the world, but at least the US, I think. But I think mainly, after consuming a lot of the stuff recently, my big, like, observation of Mr. Beast is that, like, he's definitely,

I mean, I think we all know, like, somebody who, like, grew up probably worshiping, like, a bunch of CEOs, like, loves Elon, or at least loved him. That's, like, documented that he's a huge Steve Jobs fan. Mainly, like, I think it's that, like, Jimmy just, like, doesn't think about these things like Jimmy just like doesn't think about these things like a lot of other people do but he's starting to be put

in such a power position that he needs to think about these things. Yeah. And I think it's like in his head he's probably confused when people criticize him for like the blind thing or like or for this because he's probably like what the fuck I was just trying to do good

business right and you're like oh i think there's like a different worldview kind of talk that we're having here probably like any doubt would just be immediately alleviated with like but i'm curing blind people yeah and he's also good point yeah he's also 24 yeah and had the craziest three years that anyone on the internet has ever had. Yeah, dude. Well, right. It's the same thing with Elon as well. Have you noticed the company around him, the way that

new people will treat him? I wish people would just talk, for his sake, I wish people would just talk to him like a person. But there's also this- The more familiar they get, the faster they filter out of his group. Yeah, this even makes me worry about him as a person where I don't know if you guys have noticed,

like especially when they're shooting something, there's been this industry created on YouTube now where if you make something for Jimmy and make a YouTube video about it and try to deliver it to him, you might have your dreams come true. Yeah. And so now he's like flooded with people in his life and try to deliver it to him, you might have your dreams come true. And so now he's like flooded with people in his life who are like,

if I could do just anything for you to mention my name, YouTube might change my entire fucking life. Right. And it's like, how do you have normal, even work relationships with somebody? It's like people, like literally there's a genre of YouTube

where it's like, I can deliver a Game Boy to God. You know what I mean? Like I made God a custom Game Boy and watch as I try my hardest to get it into his hands. And then I will be ascended to the promised land. Yeah. And I worry too that he's just not exactly thinking about the fact that he, I don't know if he realizes how much of a fucking chokehold he has on kids and their attention and what he does to their attention spans with the editing of those videos. And what your, you know, great power, great responsibility, right?

Yeah. Yeah, he's not legally obliged to act with tact or consideration of how his audience works and the impact he can have. But you do have a huge impact. Right. You are in a position of extreme power. And it's like yeah man i mean shit bezos doesn't have to fix world hunger with a single transaction but spider-man doesn't have to save anyone yeah it's just odd it's a weird lesson to let his uncle ben hasn't died yet

he needs he has not had the like revelatory moment and i think sometimes i feel not bad to criticize but i like you're saying i wish there was an avenue where he's getting that feedback in a way that uh can be communicated like a real human being yeah twitter is so at like uh adversarial twitter is so advertised because his feedback is like hello you big fucking bitch no no that's like i literally go ahead i was just gonna say ideologically too there's something where it's like i totally understand from the person that he seems to be it like i'm sure the second he sees this kind of feedback he's like i have like fed families and like changed a bunch of businesses and i give away a ton of money

and like obviously i know where we all kind of lie is like that type of philanthropy doesn't help the core problem yeah but like from everybody's praising him and a ton of people are like look how giving he is and so i totally get why he could see this criticism be like what the fuck is wrong with you guys like because i would say would say from my perspective, at least I don't, it doesn't do like the core problem any good with that philanthropy, but he has done more for the world than I have when it comes to philanthropy. Like that's not something to be like,

he's changing the world, but it is like one of those things where I totally get where if he saw criticism for me, he'd be like, well, let's see you give away a million dollars. You fuck. And it's like, especially with the relationship he has with content where it is like i mean the number of channels that he's coached that have then also blown up he would assume well eddie's not blowing

up because he's not doing the right thing right yeah customize his content made things a little differently and uploaded in a different way well then he'd have the money and then he could like you know um bring polio back to cure it again. Yeah. Yeah. He's just like the polio. I'm just doing. I can't.

I made polio too. That's chills. No, no, dude. He's he. I brought back. He's polio just to cure it again. There is actually with the ghost kitchen video, there was one moment I was like so exhausted

from like five or six days of editing. And I was just, I needed like a couple of Mr. Beast clips to like introduce him. And I cried laughing by myself in the dark in a room because I don't watch his content often. And I just clicked one video and he goes, I put 100 boys and 100 girls in two circles

but the innocence of the way that he said it was like 100 boys and 100 girls it was like such a schoolyard i gathered 200 korean adults in great debt and put them in a game of red light queen it's like when you it's like when you ask a child when he literally did do squid game yeah it's like when you um ask a child about the like legos that they built or like the action the story between their action figures and they have like such enthusiasm about it but um i yeah i just think that we exist in a capitalist system and mr beast is the best at existing in that system oh yeah he's the youtube algorithm and like uh like capitalism kind of personified this one is so i almost see why he doesn't get why uh

it basically directing child labor is so insidious is because it's not financially related this is just well like it's not tidy so i'll ask people to tidy it with my right it's just like i think it's he has a completely different worldview that like i think a lot of the criticism of just dunking him on on twitter like is not going to work for the most part and that's why especially like i wanted to in my video like at least talk to him kind of directly at least for a moment yeah but there's also, I think one thing that I, I really from like, and I, I always cringe with YouTube.

It's like to call, it's always weird to like call yourself like from an artist standpoint, but like I, I from at least one that like views art all the time, watching some interviews with him, he clearly, I think really incorrectly believes that what it works with the YouTube algorithm is

good art and what doesn't he has referred to as terrible like terrible videos and it's like if we're given up judgment of human art to like a machine learning algorithm that is just like pretty much how long can you jingle the keys in front of the baby you know that it's

like that's we've lost yeah that's where we are. If he's not laughing, then what was even the point of making it? Yeah. And I like, I had a lot of those thoughts, but again, it's like, if I, if you mention this stuff to Jimmy, the understandable thing from his entire worldview is like, but it works.

What do you want me to like, make my videos do worse so I can have a longer intro? What the fuck are you stupid? Like, I don't know. There's no, there's no etiquette, I guess. Because we might even struggle, and I'm sure a lot of the people that intuitively understand why it's so strange to request that children do facing up, that's what we called it when I worked at Iceland in the UK,

a place where they sell stuff, not the country. I don't understand, i'm just as confused but they i i think most people would struggle to articulate why it's bad same kind of with some of the thumbnails like the crying child where it's like it's just ick it's just the vibes are off and that's enough to confuse and stress people out but those people are not going to be able to give feedback that's like comprehensible right yeah and it's so okay so i can easily see someone seeing this conversation and and being like oh you know why are you treating mr beast with kid gloves he xyz is bad yada yada which i don't necessarily believe i do think it's a systemic thing like i think it's like he is exploiting a system and he you know is

being criticized for that and i think that that's fine. I do think that when you exacerbate that with Twitter, you get this very strange outcropping of like capture the social media points where like, uh, where extremity is rewarded. And so in, in the response to this outcry or no, in response to this tweet that in Mr. Beast of mind was probably like mundane and normal is now people like destroying is displaced. And I also think, and we, I think we know is like the huge problem with,

with I think a lot of the discourse online and we're all, we're all like guilty of this is that a lot of people on twitter apply their like either progressive like leftist worldview and they on mr b's like he thinks that way and is doing it anyways yeah it's like this is a kid who is and this is not me giving him credit but just trying to understand how it happened like this is a kid who's 24 and uh makes his videos out of like north carolina in kind of like his own circle and is it like goes on interviews with people and they're like so you're a genius and like we need to pick your brain because we're all wondering you have this secret and we want to know the secret and he's what do you want to know yeah i've got all the answers

and then somebody on twitter is like no he like completely understands like every single complicated facet and he has a completely separated view of himself from somebody who watches us on streams all the time and they know exactly what he's doing me this person has most certainly not started engaging with theory in the last two to three years also i say that lovingly uh from i i watch uh i consume a lot of guys that wasn't me being like, those people. I don't watch the streams though because I don't watch streams live. I just don't.

It's just as easy for us to generate an insular mindset because not only are we on the West Coast, A, in LA, B, LA, B, my brain is shutting down. Also, we are amongst peers that all agree in the same way that jimmy would be not only that but his uh you know they have to be kind of uh accommodating yeah and i think what we are trying

to do right now is what you said i think very well is we're not projecting our world's view onto him we're going we're contextualizing him within his own worldview yeah which is like which is the way that you make sense of it because he's not like maliciously you know acting against the views of like someone who had like has more like leftist uh perspective he's acting within his you know i don't know his political leanings but he's of he's very capitalist pill he's operating within the default propaganda yeah that is the way more people think yeah and he's not wrong look at the numbers don't lie there are more people who are just like this is cool like when they get the keys jangled in front of them then then not because we like those Twitter circles are super extreme and also super small in reality. It's one of those things.

That must be maddening, right? Like 20 million views on this video and 100,000 people like to tweet that was clowning on me. Yeah. It's like a lot of human beings on Twitter and doesn't feel like it's really calculable compared to views, which probably is confusing and like, but look how small a number you people are. Also, I think, and, and, um, sorry to keep extending the Mr. Beast comment. I actually have another thing I want to say, but continue. I, there's, um, I think, uh, I don't know if there's like any type of terminology for it, but I think there's like this kind of phenomenon when it comes to people who are very powerful

and very famous. Um, Elon is one of these people as well who are very powerful and very famous um elon is one of these people as well who might be and this is not like a dig at mr b stall but like elon and mr b strike me is people who maybe are like maybe like a little bit insecure from their upbringing and like have all this power now but i think there's this not talked about thing where everybody they encounter in real life is like, you are a God to me. And then they go on Twitter and they're like, hey, like I'm awesome. And then immediately the feedback is like,

fuck you, die, die, die, die, die. And then like people will kind of talk about like, what world are they living in? I don't know. That's a crazy world to live in. Because probably living in the, yeah. Like the real world is fake to them too. Exactly.

People that are near them are like, need to pick your brain you're a genius you're a god like nobody is normal to them and nobody probably most people are even people that dislike them or disagree with or like something like elon i'm talking about more than mr beast yeah like probably doesn't have the guts to say it in person to them. Sure. Being a Marvel star, being like an A-list celebrity that goes on press tour and has 300 interviews a year where they say, nobody says they don't like the movie. Yeah. Nobody says their performance wasn't incredible. And then they go online and they're like, oh, I've had this vaccine.

And everyone's like surprised that they're insane. Yeah. And so it's like, it's, I don't know. It's, it's kind of the way it know, it's kind of the way, it feels like that current system just feels like the way to rot the brain of somebody who maybe could have been open to criticism before, but it's like, because Twitter is a little bit the real world too, and people being really fake to you in person

is a little bit the real world, but neither of them are actually real life. So this is is a great jumping off point because let's see that's what i do let's see how you jump off let's kill ourselves let's jump i kind of did a little move there and uh nobody appreciated it i did a whole leg move oh yeah that was i hope we cut to it when i did here hold up hold up my man i am not kidding when i say somebody will time stamp every time we sit a different way yeah there's a lot of discourse about the way we sit. Huh. Because we'll see a screenshot and it's tagged bisexual sitting

at 15 minutes and 30 seconds. That's just how it goes. I like it. Keep doing it. It's funny. I was going to say, let's see how MrBeast responds to criticism. So famous shit poster on Twitter, Juniper, who I follow. I saw this too. It was like, and this is a genre of

tweet but it is in the more extreme where it's a troll yeah it's it's a troll post it's a shit post but that mr beast what the actual hell and then it's a fake job listing that is completely serious about like hiring a child to like fix the chocolate thing because it's taking it to the logical extreme yeah and mr beast response and his response is i'm all for dunking on me but no need to spread lies which honestly in the sort of spectrum of replies fine there's there's two parts of my brain where one part goes man that fake tweet is hilarious and then part of my brain goes like, he's like a little right there. Like I guess because the tweet like went viral, you know? No, exactly.

I feel a little bit conflicted because I do think that this is like a thing where you take it and run with it. And there's always going to be people like pushing that line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a line that I am personally uncomfortable with. I will follow and laugh at the other people who tow it.

Right, but I won't make it myself right but i won't make it but i will make it myself i mean we're talking about like this is punching up to the peak of everest like yeah such a punch up to the degree where yeah like i'm i don't give a fucking shit about that whatever like in this particular case i'm like he's gotta learn to hang yeah no wait yeah, yeah. And, and, and he's, I did, I thought this was interesting because he isn't going full Elon. No, no, he's not.

He even, I think has like kind of criticized Elon for the, his behavior. Like he's just very like, he's replying like, uh, people do to Elon when they're like the kind of people that are like, I'm starting to lose respect.

Yeah. Yeah. He told a disabled man that he'd like cut his head off. I i mean if you're down we are prepared to talk about that and it's in here oh yeah um but yeah also mr beast tweeted and deleted uh or actually did he delete this i don't remember it's still up so it was uh damn having jacob here is so great i agree yeah yeah jacob didn't like the show part oh no sorry we brought jacob on sort of in the reboot of the show doing it in person again and it's just been such a joy okay to show oh yeah he tweeted to show how grateful i am that sorry i forgot this is another element of this that made me laugh to show how how grateful I am that helped titty things up.

Titty things up? Titty things. Mr. Beast, this is Doubtfire arc. What the fuck? Yeah, he just slightly missed. I've never heard titty things. Oh, he meant tidy. Okay.

He meant tidy. But I saw this and I cracked up because it's the most um uh earnest it's the most honest it's the most honest mistake but just in this context it's so funny it's just if there were one tweet to not make typos yeah yeah it's like a press release yeah and so this is a little bit him like kind of seeing the criticism and going oh yeah i'm gonna donate a hundred thousand dollars to charity will this make it go away yeah how many comma points to beat like the down votes it's like he's offsetting his carbon footprint which is somebody who's like trying their best with i think their worldview to make it no he is trying it's like fascinating he's

using the exact toolkit yeah but i'll do the good money thing. Yeah, exactly. Where it's like, yeah, it's all money every time. Where it's like, can I remedy this with money? Like, is that the sweet? He's like, I'm going to give $10,000 to, it is like, what's the right answer? If I, which charity is it okay to do child labor?

Yeah. Who do I, who do I cure? Like what, what, what makes this go away? But yeah. You know what's funny about his, I'm just realizing now, is that I think part of the thing that's difficult for him is that,

and I respect this far more so than, say, like Logan Paul and KSI's approach to this exact thing, is that he does care how he as a person is represented online. Cause KSI and Logan are doing the exact same thing with prime. They have like, you've seen the tick tocks of kids like crying because there's no prime. Yeah.

In the UK, I think exclusively. Cause in America it's like everywhere, but then your kind prime popped up so fast. I remember hearing about prime and then i went home for the holidays and i saw a prime truck like past my mom's place and i was like how quickly did this become a major brand holy shit there's something just more insidious to me about the passive way of doing that about generating the like fury and intensity without uh it's just i mean this this is just the part but it's also it's so adult coded like

prime is so explicitly like here's an energy drink product yeah and the kids are like i love you for making this thank you so much that's the thing the the biggest uh the biggest like actual because i know like it's like a lot of us, I don't want to sound like we're being like too fair, but I also want to be fair in the way of like how this happens. And like, I think the biggest criticism I've always had throughout, like even publicly, like my entire career is the way that some people, I think Logan definitely exactly knows like when he was taking advantage of kids for money. Like when he was like specifically pumping like merch ads to make sure that these kids bought this,

like his sweatpants with his fucking bird wings on it or whatever the hell it was. But like, I don't think, I've seen Jimmy frequently be like, yeah, the statistics say like 20 is the people that watch my videos. And it's like, right. But there's,

if when there's 144 million people watching a video, like you also have at least 40 million kids watching. And you're selling to them. I actually, that 20 number is like, I don't know how much Mr. Beast is thinking about the fact that- People die on their account. And he- Not logged in at all.

The people he appeals to are eight-year-olds and 45-year-old, normal people working in the world yeah just watch a youtube video once a month they're facebook videos yeah yeah exactly yeah most views are not logged in most yeah like a huge is there a statistic for that like for for uh i think that's every product in the world unless it makes you do it basically um but also ipads yeah oh yeah yeah so uh oh yeah so like most people that would be logged in would be people who are like like subscribed to a youtube channel which would be more teenagers is the offline youtube experience they are the most it's the most common misconception with uh uh hey guys what's going on if you could subscribe

because i noticed that only 40% of you are subscribed. It's like, well, yeah. That's the type of content that you're making. Also 60% of people also accounting for people that just don't subscribe to stuff, even if they have an account. That's even, I think the worldview split too. I think the assumption is that most people

buying Mr. Beast Burger are children who are like, mom, can we order some Mr. Beast burger? I love Jimmy and I want to support your dad's not buying the Carl or whatever. Love Carl, by the way, nicest guy in the world. I've met,

I've met Carl a bit and he's, I think we've only kind of talked in passing, but we've been mutuals for a while. And Carl seems really, he's the sweetest boy. Uh, but they, uh,

like when you open up like the, like Uber eats page for Mr. Beast burger, the first thing that it does is also have a clickable link that I've never seen on any other store on Uber Eats where you can, he's there and he's like, go buy my merch. And some people are like, good business. And in my mind, I'm like, you're already getting a kid

to support you with like their parents' dollar. Do you have to ask for another sale on top of the fucking Chandandler style like come on dude but i don't know it's like then some people you know who are like you know watching gary v videos are like um that's two revenue sources out of one you fucking moron like we know yeah that's not the thing i know it's not like we're going like why is it there yeah it's like i don't think they realize it's like if you work on youtube it's like i know i'm constantly like beating those offers away with a bat where i'm like i couldn't possibly

do like 50 different types of advertising because i respect the people who watch my stuff it's a it's a strange balance because you know we also have to make money to you know continue to do what we do yeah yeah And I don't know. It's one of those things where it's like, I just, I wish most, sorry, this is like another observation thing. But the one also problem I've been thinking about, I got asked this when Michael Reeves and I did a VidCon panel. And somebody asked about like children's content because I mentioned it before. I think we're trapped in this like forever internet cycle where kids now that grow up on youtube know exactly how youtube works and then they become like 17 to 20 and a lot of the youtubers making stuff for kids are in that 17 to 20 range because they're just doing stuff what

works for numbers they uh don't exactly have a voice yet not saying that you can't have like observations at that age but like you don't have a fully flash yet. Not saying that you can't have like observations at that age, but like you don't have a fully flashed like worldview at the time. You shouldn't. Yeah, you shouldn't. Like it would be weird if you did. It's the point in your life that you get one of those. Yeah, and like some people obviously have to grow up a lot quicker

from their circumstances, but like then they grow up and they might change those things. But we're now trapping ourselves in this cycle where instead of like very regulated educational content for kids it's like kids grow up and are still kids or just barely adults and then they become the children's entertainers and we're in just this loop of like completely irresponsible internet entertainment like business yeah how the fuck do you fix that though because i'm 26 now i don't

want to make kids content like i don't want to be the one to do it you know yeah so i don't know it just feels like a something that we might be trapped in forever yeah i do wonder how people i know mr beast even personally is like something i know will come up like fairly often for us but i don't think it's the just a cynical hey talking about the entertainment business you see what's going on with this stuff hey what's chris evans doing after captain america i think it is just interesting as a vector for talking about youtube in general yeah the growth of the platform he is youtube our place on it is is bizarre you know compared to that but it's also just it's the at the intersection of a lot of things. Yeah.

He's also just a fascinating thing to exist. I would love, that's the thing is like, I've, I've a decent amount, obviously, you know, of criticisms,

like, but I would love to have an honest conversation with him because I don't think like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't treat him like a lot of people. I agree. Treat him in this way of like, you're amazing,

but I would love to like not pick his brain on how to get my fucking audience retention up, but would just be like, Hey, how much thought do you give about like making these videos educational for kids that are watching? You know, our bent is to see the humanity of a person rather than just kind of isolating it to, you know, um, their content or if you disagree with them about something or, or what have you. So I, i would be comfortable also like having mr like we would have mr beast on the show we would have a conversation an honest conversation with him it's just genuine right like if to to silo people outside of their

content when the content is the thing like even if we make fun of someone on like one of our channels on like gold or my main right yeah it Yeah. It's, it's, unless they've done something actively repulsive, it's, it's tongue in cheek. We just, that one about like the POV, I'm your shampoo guy. I love that guy. It's creepy and weird, man. I don't know.

I have no reflection on how he is as a person. Yeah. Unless you were to respond to say that video and like POV, I'm going to kill you while you're asleep. As I've aged and like viewed the internet longer and longer if you definitely go back to like videos i made before if i was criticizing somebody because i was punching so far up and i was so young that everything was like life or death if somebody was

doing something a little bit wrong it was like we need to talk about this because this is the worst fucking thing in the world and like this is my new like villain of the week almost not that i wanted to tear them down but that i wanted i think more to make a point for me than to actually have like a nuanced conversation about it right um and yeah as you get older you're like you know because a lot of you know people that watch us are newer to the internet than us which is weird to have that conversation because it makes me feel old as shit but like yeah i mean you look like those things oh yeah uh those things are new when they're new it feels like life or death you know what i mean like that's the new it's like but then when you watch this stuff cycle a couple of times right you're like oh it doesn't work just to be like

hey guys aren't i super smart and this person fucking sucks yeah and then you just leave it there and nothing changes it's caustic for the soul yeah you get tired of doing it yeah it hurts you yeah i mentioned years ago that that uh uh brent rivera was kind of like exploiting his sister and mom sexually for content and then as you see thumbnails and it's like her with a hundred shirtless men recently it's like yeah i didn't change anything nothing got helped from i um i was presenting a streamy award with someone who isn't a lot of brit rivera videos right and uh i like always feel like i need to come clean to the person and i like this about myself because i i was like hey i you know have to let you, I've made videos about I made a video about Rivera in the past.

It was about this. You really have. That's that's an honesty that I could. I would just I said that I would shut. I would shut my fucking mouth about it. I think for me, I'm Tony. I'm Tony. We're not fraternal.

We're identical. I'm his identical brother. Rip your mustache because i think people have said that this comes through in my content but it is like it is about talking about the content and not the character or the person you know yeah and it is like um i think that in a in a personal context i think it helps me break the ice because i don't want someone if i if i do have to share space because you know it's like i maybe we'll turn the other way if i don't want to broach this conversation yeah but uh if we are gonna be in the same space then i want to kind of extend

them the same courtesy that i would anyone else but i do feel like i have to address the l of it in my own head before i like do that yeah that makes sense um yeah i mean it is just i don't know it's like a more fun way of observing the world especially with the tiktok's especially interesting one because because there's such a high velocity of content and such a high quantity of people to discover you know and when a new conversation when some random discourse pops up it's more often a new creator than an established one so it's just wow this video popped off this guy is describing himself being your shampoo i think it's it's more fun to play around with the kayfabe and the

character that they're trying to portray because that's like the only only material we have to play off them if they were making 15 guys see who can grab my sister first then that would be you know a little bit more of an indication but like what's i don't know what's the magic of like uh who's that dude we watched um that dude it was actually just another like weirdly over sexualized creepy uh we watched it in like your old office space that uh where we accidentally watched porn oh yeah that guy the guy who was like that's a sex move yeah that's a sex move he uh got banned i think from tiktok oh really yeah yeah because in that case it felt a little more sinister the

thing he was presenting was more sinister like if i just if i'd never seen matt walsh before i'd never seen ben shapiro i would not need to like buffer this opinion because the thing they're saying is hateful but like i just don't i've never been able to connect with content that's like look at this yeah idiot like leafy style yeah that's it's wild to it's wild to do that because i also think that i am protected i stand by what i say in videos and i i stand by the fact that i would say those same things to that person's face. You know,

it's like if you, it's not a comfortable conversation to have and you wouldn't normally be like, Hey, I don't like the cut of your jib, but, uh, and we've known people that flip people that are just like,

like sycophants as soon as they meet anyone or online. And then just like, Hey, but yeah, if someone were to say, I, if someone came up to my face and said, I don't like what you said like, hey, hang on. But yeah, if someone were to say, if someone came up to my face and said, I don't like what you said about, because this happens sometimes,

I would say like, hey, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I stand by what I said. And if you want to have a conversation about that, we can. This happened recently. One of the things I wanted to say is the video I made before the last one was about this guy who makes these videos in a parking garage.

And they're like, if you ask a woman for her number and she gives you her social media, then, uh, be like, why would you do that? Cause I can stalk you from your social media. And it was this thing where he, he felt like he was opening up a dialogue between men and women. And I didn't think that he was fully on that sort of radical pipeline. It was more, he was misguided. And I gave him the benefit of the doubt in the video.

He commented on the video and was like, I don't like what you said or whatever. And the first feeling I had, the sinking feeling in my stomach is, was I invalid in my criticism? Was any of my criticism invalid? And then I like double, triple checked and was like nope i'm valid i stand by this you can disagree with me but i would love to hear you know he said i took some stuff out of context this is a common thing people say and i was like i played your tiktoks in full you know what i mean like i didn't take the raw recording and present it yeah read my my thing is like if i'm showing

a whole tiktok and you're saying i took it out of context you are benefiting from the lack of context with the tiktok algorithm by making yourself seem more uh salacious so you cannot be mad if you're criticized on the basis of that because you chose what to cut you know what i mean it's telling i mean that you mentioned the thing you're scared of when you put up a video is people saying you didn't research will be considerate enough about yeah because that's you being like well i don't have enough of a benefit of a doubt which is i i commend you for that i appreciate i mean even even that my thoughts on uh mr beast that we're talking about right now or mr beast burger or something like that is i had to spend like months because you mentioned like you get this kind of feeling where you're like,

huh, what's that? Like when you see this, like some of this stuff from, from him. And I was like, I really need to sit down and like think about how I feel about this. And while I'm doing research, like really kind of work through it. Because it's like, yeah, the idea of, which is the thing I would hope and request that he put a little bit more thought into is when you start to have more of a voice online, you have to be really fucking considerate about what you say. And that's, especially when people are new blowing up on Tik TOK, it's so new to them where I can also

a little bit empathize where it's like, you just don't know the impact of these things yet. You don't know that there's like a power there. And it's just, I don't know. It's definitely, I think that that context is important for people and i try to give them some of the grace i think i mean we rightly will criticize and contest reactionary content and reactionary practices yeah but the reason reactionary and the reason it's called reactionary is it's the default way to be yeah like if somebody that your cortisol fucking flyers up your your adrenaline starts running because somebody says, hey, you should not have done that.

One of the first things you have to learn in any job is taking criticism. It was the hardest thing I had to do, like first tech job. I cried. Like I literally went home and I cried because somebody just didn't like an email. It was like completely unnecessary. But my brain just wasn't prepared for it because you associate bad feeling with bad thing.

Yeah. Also though, I will say on the flip flip side because i don't think any of us are also like you know as people who have made you know videos criticizing people i'm not like oh peace and love i gotta give everybody the benefit of the doubt because i also think that um especially and i haven't really made a lot of this type of content in the last couple of years but you guys especially have i think that no this is good okay i think that making content that is specifically dunking on people like tate or um like extreme misogynists or obviously like racists like that when you're battling for the like the mind of like younger dudes who you know younger dudes with time on their hands yeah scariest people in society

um and the way that a lot of people online have talked about exiting those pipelines is by seeing a funny video usually like by a creator that like kind of grabbed them and pulled them out a little bit right and so it's like being being fair to a certain degree is good obviously but then i do think making like like funny content that responds to really dangerous ideas is usually how people get pulled out of it because they're like damn i was entertained by this and they disagreed with this person i liked like i think a lot of those like commentary videos or like uh a figure like hasan is like really good for pulling some of these people away. I think it is unfortunately important that it's mass coded as well. I think us saying that is very different

to that radicalized audience or even just top of the pipeline radicalized where they're teetering on the edge is more significant to them because they want to watch somebody that seems like an adult man that is capable and fine. And yeah.

And you have to, you have to like that audience is very much has to be babied out of it. And that's what we can provide also. It's like, you can provide that perspective. That's what I mean. I think we are, it is so much easier for the three of us as like adults that comfortably sit

on a microphone and have facial hair as arbitrary as it is i do think that matters if like it is something along the lines where if like i had ever gotten into like beef with tate i could immediately in the way that his audience would recognize like try to shit on him for his hair growth right like it's something that yeah immediately it's like unfortunately a lot of the ways to flip those people are like playing by their own game, which is also dangerous too. No, I think that by having these conversations, I think that's very meaningful and important.

And we're already doing our due diligence. Like we don't even have to try and be reasonable about it or lead with empathy at all. So even doing it a little bit, I think is more than- I think we're also very important. Yeah, and we're very attractive and cool. Come to think of it, we're fucking famous. We're fucking awesome.

That's what the podcast should be about, is how awesome we are. Awesome boys. Good little boys. Good boys. Whenever I'm on, it's good little boys. Good little boys. Minus listenership somehow.

We should mention, though, we went to a bar this last weekend weekend and Chrissy was there as well. I don't think you were with us when we went up to the bar, but the bartender went up to Chrissy and had a photo. I don't even know what the meme was. Do you want me to like from before? So when we went to the bar, there was a bartender who looked near exactly like me there um did you see that specific guy he was the one right he looked like he looked more like me than my fraternal twin brother like he actually did um same like a little bit shorter hair but kind of same hair mustache

like same kind of facial uh structure and when i got there like somebody made a joke to me it was like oh you look like that bartender and i was like oh yeah and i got a drink from him and there was kind of a look from him that like i hate even i don't want to like sound awful about it but there is like a look now as things have gotten bigger on youtube where i'm like i think this person might recognize me just like a kind of it's like you know it's that thing in the experience yeah i don't want to see it sound conceited about it but like more to more of the people watching than you guys i know you there's this experience where someone in you like make eye contact with somebody and then you get a sense but then that also results in them usually

approaching you and saying something yeah and so the thing is he gave me the look as you're serving it and i in my head i went every time i see that look though i go oh they can't possibly know me i'm just that's in my head and then i'll go like you eg look though, I go, oh, they can't possibly know me. I'm just, that's in my head. And then I'll go like, you egomaniac. And they'll be like, can I get a picture? And I'm like, why was I so mean to myself? But I, in my head I was like, oh, this guy, this look is not about knowing me. This look is because we look exactly the same.

And this is just like a fun moment. And then you and Chrissy went up for a drink. And that guy had mentioned that the other bartenders were telling him earlier in the night that he looked like the guy from the anal king anal kingdom meme and then I came up to the bar that night and and so his look was like not I know you from YouTube but holy shit they told me I look like that guy from that meme and then that guy from that meme what a drink for me tonight yeah yeah pulled up the photo and showed me and chrissy yeah and the one bad thing was that chrissy said yes because i thought it would be so funny that's not him are you insane gaslighting doesn't exist

you're being hysterical also can i speak on that meme very quickly very so there's a picture of uh when i was on the rainforest cafe trip of chrissy and i when we're at animal kingdom and what had happened was chrissy was like hey sometimes people will do that thing where they block out um uh the animal and it just says anal kingdom we should take that picture and i was like that's hilarious so we took the picture and then it started blowing up online on like all of these accounts that were adding captions like that implied that like she doesn't know he set her up for the photo and she doesn't know and i'm like this is chrissy's fucking idea and the caption will be like this

legend set up his girlfriend this epic legend set it up for this photo yeah actually yeah like accounts like that yeah it was on accounts like that and it would be like she doesn't know with like two devil emojis posting their w's yeah honestly and it was like dude it was her funny idea yeah this communist girl trolled by capitalist legend yeah feminist wrecked by a comedian boyfriend yeah yeah by husband just like not even doesn't make any sense destroyed so i did mention this earlier but have you guys seen the elon's latest drama the king don't miss never boring always new season still hits so epic always posting w's i don't want to spend too much time on this but like like the story, if you haven't seen, is that Elon basically, he's so confidently wrong,

it's impressive. Every time you think that basic human intuition would like, or like just basic self-preservation. Yeah. Like just not even double checking, just one time checking something before going with your instincts. I, like I mentioned before,

that kind of like weird world that gets created for people like MrBeast or him. But the interesting thing about Elon, I think is that like he is also on top of it, just such an absolute piece of shit. Like where it's, he thinks that people love him in person and then people hate him online but he's also like one of the worst people i've ever seen behave online ever

where he's just so cool like being so openly wrong and such a piece of shit and is just like i'll be covered by it it's just so i hate him so much he spent his entire life pre pre-internet, post-business, post-excessive wealth, and now post-Twitter purchase. Being told by everyone in person, and actually, you know, usually online, the ones that he wants to listen to, that he is an exceptional genius. Yep. And also funny. The worst thing they ever did was convince him he was funny over the last couple of years. He has never worked hard on anything. No.

However, it's like if Robert Downey Jr. was like, I saved New York, right? That was me. I remember saving... Robert Downey Jr. has the real Iron Man's PTSD

from the Avengers. From the war? When he like thinks that in what was an age of ultron when like the mom comes up and is like you were responsible for the death of my son and then it's uh uh like robert downey jr goes to bed at night and is like man i i can't believe i did that to that young boy. I really miss Pepper Potts, my girlfriend. Okay. But the TLDR is basically this world-renowned Icelandic designer named Holly, who is hailed as a luminary design voice, who had this company called Ueno, this design firm that was acquired by Twitter, posted on Twitter. I don't know if I've been like fired or not. I can't get in touch

because, you know, Twitter's doing all these layoffs. I can't get in touch with HR. They're not responding to my emails. Or no, the head of HR cannot confirm if I'm employed or not, which is like they're already in contact with HR. He, as an aside, has a disability. He has muscular dystrophy. So he can't get in contact with Elon. So he's like, maybe if I tweet, which is unfortunately just how the world works these days.

There's a higher hit rate. Yeah, yeah. So he tweets. And then Elon just doesn't believe that he worked at twitter or contributed anything yeah which is crazy because i think what because can you guys do you know more of this world than me what was this contract this hundred million dollar contract so that's the thing i i wanted to get to because there's something i wanted to mention along with elon's response to him without knowing about that thing, but I need to know exactly what that thing is.

So the $100 million number is like not real. Like it's actually not disclosed how much they acquired the company for. But Twitter bought Holly's firm, Ueno, for an undisclosed very large sum. That's typically just calculated as the valuation at the time. That's like the number of people we'll use. Yeah, and typically, you know, the compensation for that is in stock or something where, you know, you get a lower tax rate. Polly requested to be paid as like through his salary,

which meant a higher tax rate so that he could pay the government of Iceland to pay back into the system because he benefited so much while he was on disability there which i think is a very noble thing to do and awarded him person of the year yeah he was awarded person of the year the the the contract thing is because of how he wanted to be paid through his salary on the event of his termination he he needs to be paid out. Which, so on, like with that, what I think is so funny is that Elon is like so cocky and so shitty that he saw the case of somebody publicly being like, I work for you and I don't know where else to turn because I'm so fucked here. And I think in his head, he thought, here's a near powerless Twitter employee that I can stomp on.

And he went for a hard stomp and it was a rake and he stepped on it and slapped him right in the ear for it. Yeah. It was like somebody with real power. Right. That like only probably was tweeting at him because he genuinely didn't have another option. Had no other option and also was powerful enough to go toe to toe publicly with Elon. He didn't show another option, had no other option, and also was powerful enough to go toe-to-toe publicly with Elon. He didn't show his cards.

Right. Yeah. And then it's like not showing the, it was like showing the cards to Elon was like not only like you're winning at poker, but you were playing four poker games simultaneously winning at the same time. Six aces.

Yeah. And so what happens is that Elon publicly shames this person, discloses things about his health that are not public We only know That he has muscular dystrophy because Elon illegally right? Publicly something along the lines of claims that he has a disability But it was an excuse not to work saying much He's tweeting a lot for someone who can't type a lot. Can I just say that you can use voice to fucking text?

Yeah. Like the concept. Sorry, that pissed me off so much. You could literally type the fucking microphone into your keyboard and just say words. I had to change. Sorry, I just had to change my workflow at one point because I have a disability.

And at one point I was texting, typing all the time for work and not long after i left patreon i was then also editing all the time on a laptop and i had to take a month off to do physiotherapy and get steroid injections it just was not viable so when i texted i was using my knuckle at one point and then only my left hand and it was you couldn't be able to communicate a i was replying to emails without running an entire organization those are two distinct things i have somebody in my immediate family who has a muscle illness as well and it's like it's it's about energy spent during the day and the amount of energy that you can spend and then things at least for him start to uh like

deteriorate to a degree that day except for like medication that can help obviously but it's like you're not like depending on the person or like where you're at with the like with that uh disease it's like it doesn't mean you can't work at all it just means there's limitations to what you can do just like anybody might have limitations with other stuff it's so crazy to be like oh my god this employee for us claims that they might have certain limitations but they can also work for us sounds like a great worker sounds like a great employee to you they can still do the fucking work literally the exact reply that a reply guy would say yeah like like like a confrontational um okay

you claim this and yet you still work yeah you are a socialist and yet you live in a house yeah and it just doesn't it is the kind of reply that can only be fostered by someone that's never done anything right you can't have worked at a company understand how like satellite management works you can't be somebody's boss and say that shit and that's why he gets so pissy when people like hey you're a terrible ceo he's like but but i am it you can't if i was bad i wouldn't be there did i'm famous so checkmate essentially so eventually elon gets word that this is a very important person that he is insulting. It has to. Desperate HR.

Also Twitter is hemorrhaging money. Like they, they, they can't afford this type of literally cannot afford this type because it's the fuck up of having to pay the money if they fire him. Yeah. And a new lawsuit because of the way he behaved online. 100 million is a charitably small amount of money. Yeah. And a new lawsuit because of the way he behaved online. Elon's trying to-

A hundred million is a charitably small amount of money. Yeah. Yeah. To go the legal route. Especially, I feel like if you're doing a lawsuit that has to do with that type of power

and money behind it originally, you'd probably sue for a lot more. It's so, it's so wild. So it's a- I'm not a lawyer. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. He basically goes and apologizes because his lawyer sold him to him.

Oh, sorry. We should say he was fired. Or like that's the claim that Elon made's they had a little bit of a discourse holly made an amazing roasting thread that was which included i have uh i have a wife that i love and kids i spend time with you should do the same you know elon's like in like because i've heard that he will to you know pretend be uh like low income so he feels cool he'll be in like an i've heard that he will to you know pretend to be uh like low income so he feels cool he'll be in like an apartment with a mattress on the ground you know he's just like macbook light illuminating him in an empty room all by himself where he's like fuck yeah peak dub peak

dub of that whole thread is when he says thank you so much for asking about my health i hear that we both can't go to the toilet unassisted me because of my condition you because you're scared you'll get beaten up i didn't know that that was literally dude i've i was in when i was in bed reading the thread in similar light as you're describing my teeth were the only visible thing the light bouncing off my invisalign just so excited it was so it was why it was just like a master class uh i just think that the uh the people in the design world who know how great this guy is are like elon had no idea one of the greatest design leaders alive works for his company then had the audacity to say he is independently wealthy and faked muscular

dystrophy and tweeted a fucking office space clip about like oh so what do you do for this company you fucking moron oh my god managed to be awful and then also not be fun like he never tweets and doesn't also go oh by the way i'm not funny he has even with some tech people who were like already primed to love him like some you know so you guys know those types like more than me, but like, like he has gone for some of them from the modern day Ironman to somebody who can't and won't read.

Like the span of one year. How do you do that to yourself? Ironman suit was just like a car. A guy that like you're trying to say any science to and he's just going like oh one of the funniest things and this is the last thing i'll say about this one of the it is a great note to end on the one of the funniest things to me is that elon was asking him what his stack was like what technologies he was using there and And there is a technology. It's sweeping the design world.

This tool called Figma. And Elon replied to him saying that he uses Figma with a laughing emoji because Elon probably thought it was a Ligma joke. Yep. Which is the funniest thing Elon Musk has ever done. has ever honestly he's like you got me there here's a hundred million dollars i know i'm publicly firing you but that was an epic meme you picked yeah like look win touche charlie sheen meme is like tiger blood winning Tiger blood. Winning. Before we move on with the show, we have a little bit of a special guest to bring out.

Frankie moment. Frankie. Oh, Frankie. There's too much going on. Quick loop. Take him with Jacob. I'm so worried about the tribe. Yep, we're all worried.

Oh, Jacob. Frankie'm so worried about the tribe. Yep. We're all worried. Oh Jacob Frankie My god, she's so pretty hi She's trying to eat it. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, oh yeah, oh my god, oh my god Do you need a lens wipe? She's going water mode. She's going the way of water. She seems to do that when she gets really excited, right? She'll just start gulping water. Yeah.

Like a knobby. So for context, this is Frankie. She's a foster, but she's been living with me for the past few months. And after our, we hosted a little New Year's party together. So after that party, Eddie and Chrissy fell in love with Frankie. I love her so much. And Frankie got to stay with Eddie and Chrissy for a week. And she's the best dog in the world and I love her so much. And if I was in a point of my life where I could adopt a dog,

it would be absolutely great. But I also live in an apartment that has not enough space for this big old dog. Yeah, but she's the best. Up here, Frankie. Frankie, up. Good girl. Hello. Hello.

Just go down there. She's European, so she does cases. Yeah. She's a very good girl. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I am actually the space definitely I love watching Frankie

it's like having a dog that big that you have to take down an elevator where a bunch of other people have dogs in the building as well and the elevator door is like a surprise like are these dogs going to get along and they're inches away from each other's face is just like not the best for her yeah it seemed to really like kind of stress her out like when other dogs would like start barking in the elevator and everything

i'm talking about you sorry yeah she's just she's um you know we don't know a lot about her history but uh she's she's she's growing and learning a lot very fast. And she's just been a real gem. But yeah, with fosters, you just hit some of those patches where you just like there's anxiety or there's sort of some experience that you don't know why the dog has a certain response. But you've got to just work with it. And the thing about Frankie by far is like her,

you did the dog 23andMe. Yes. Part of her genealogy I think was Rottweiler, you did the dog 23 and me. Yes. Part of her genealogy I think was Rottweiler, right? She's half Rottweiler. So, cause we were curious. I thought there was hound in there or something. That's just default dog. Like she looks like a classic dog.

Yeah. She also has so much skin on her face that like every angle she's at, she looks like a completely different dog. That's very true when she does when she plays and is just doing regular like baring teeth you know having fun she looks like she's going to kill me yeah she's got that rottweiler the face scrunches up and the teeth come out like that she got uh really excited one day at the apartment and like also it was just like sliding around making that face everywhere. Just got such zoomies that I was a little worried she was going to slam into a wall or something.

She did a funny thing the other day where I was trying to get her off the bed and she didn't want to. And her natural thing to do now when you ask her to do something she doesn't want to do is she will just roll over on her back. And she's like, what if I'm really cute? Wait, what if I was the best? Frankie. Frankie, off. Off, Frankie. So she would lie on her back,

and she did that at the foot of my bed, and I watched in slow motion as she fell off my bed on her back, but she didn't fall flat because there was a blanket hanging off the bed so she kind of like slid slowly down and it was the funniest thing i've ever seen um uh ethan's dog it's nice being a dog uncle where i have no culpability but well that's what i love about frankie frankie ethan's dog um i i totally fallen for right here and he came into my room the other

day and he has like this little antler toy rounded in the center he was just showing it to me he's like you seen this fucking shit dude i know you got a ps5 but you didn't know shit and i was like yeah that's tight dude i got a gaming pc so like it's no big deal and he was like oh okay went upstairs playing with it all day and at one point i just went up there and i saw that on his little it's got like a little ridge in his dog bed he spent like 10 to 15 minutes picking the toy up from wherever it falls trying to settle it on the edge and it's sliding off because it's rounded and at one point just stopped for a while just gave up just like i i am being persecuted this is crazy to me. And I, it's,

you know, cliche to be like dogs have such personalities, but Frankie is just so like, he's so sweet. She's trying to talk like this. She wants to communicate. She also is, I don't know.

It's like, she like is a professional at being the cutest dog I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. A little bit. Look at her eyes right now. Oh, my God. It's kind of heartbreaking that I don't think I can adopt her. Yeah.

It's just there's a lot. And I have a young dog, you know? And I want to make sure I adopt her. I want to do adopt her so bad, too. And we talked about it. And it was just like watching her for a week was a joy. But I realized, especially I have a lot of family back home and new nieces and nephews i have a lot of family back home and like new uh

like nieces and nephews that i have to like frequently go back home to make sure like i'm there in their life and having like especially a dog this big it's just like really tough to not only travel but yeah i would never do it without a green card like january she also deserves a yard like she would run around my my hallway in that apartment you know is pretty small and like yeah i don't know she almost knocked her head a couple of times she didn't but i was really worried well i mean to be fair you've done a wonderful job with her i think thank you i mean that's the thing about like fostering my mom used to do like fostering with uh newborns and mothers if they if uh who like either had limited housing or you just needed support and the like so

like uh underprivileged mothers and newborn newborns like within 24 hours would like come to our house and be staying and the thing you do is alleviate and like help them grow right like you make sure that child gets as much like eye contact at six months as possible because the mother is overwhelmed or exhausted or has like their own emotional trauma that they're having to process and fear of like being alone and often had like other children that weren't staying with us that they would they need to go see and take care of and it's like the thing fostering is for the reason it's not adoption is that it's a bridge it's it's taking from like a difficult situation or a complicated situation

to being ready for something more permanent right so it's just still not easy taking the bandit you know these are babies i didn't like to speak with them but i remember all of their names and what they look like because it just is yeah right half your heart for x amount of time i think that like one thing that i'm really proud of is that she's grown a lot with me like while she's been here and like she she will be like that much better for like absolutely absolutely more people will be able to yeah true i don't know how much you talk about it with the like podcaster and content but i don't think people are aware of how good jarvis is as like a dog trainer like he's really great like when you got dipper it was it was like having a son yeah

it's like you know the yeah i gotta i gotta put little switches over all the lights yeah there's because i think like a lot of the time and it's also great where like people will you know give an extreme amount of attention and care to their dog but on top of that you are like making sure it's the right stuff and like the right stuff for them and their happiness yeah and it's just you're really fucking good at it thank you i really appreciate that that was honestly part of the thing of like why i thought i probably couldn't adopt Frankie is I was like, I don't think I'm at a point in my life where I have enough available time to give her the attention to make her as happy as she could possibly be. That's me too. With, with like, I just, I'm kind of looking ahead, you know? And

I'm, and I'm also thinking I'm factoring in like lifestyle career and stuff. And I already have a dog. Right, yeah. And so I think I really appreciate all the kind words. I learned a lot with Dipper. And I'm like, I want to apply that with other dogs. And so I think that's why fostering was really attractive as a thing to me. And I know I eventually want to get a second dog. I just don't think this is the time.

But the thing that's really hard to let go about Frankie is how affectionate she is. She's so sweet. and I know I eventually want to get a second dog. I just don't think this is the time, but the night, the thing that's really hard to let go about Frankie is how affectionate she is. She's so sweet. Because dippers temperament, just as personality is very much. I'm going to be doing my own thing over there. And I want a dog that's going to cuddle up next to me and stuff. So it's like,

you know, Frankie has got, uh, got all, you know, got all the things that you want. I think she's going to be a perfect dog for a family. Yeah, absolutely.

Frankie will see you in bed and get in bed and cuddle up in a sense that's like, if you want to put your arm around me, you can. Yeah, literally. I have woken up cuddling with Frankie before. She has this natural licking tendency where if you're at like a distance she's just like and she's like I'm trying to reach but I can't reach.

I'm trying to get something under the couch. Like her tongue uses bluetooth or whatever. Like if only Frankie. He grabs it like a lizard. Okay Frankie careful. We get like an action shot. Frankie, I have two dogs in this house

or I have for all the episodes, but you don't hear them because we have someone who's like hanging out with them and keeping them engaged while we're like doing this thing over here. And we would bring Dipper out, but they would for sure knock over the cameras together. Video version of the podcast would be over.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, oh my God, look at her. She's the best. She's the best. She knows she's center frame as well. Cause there is the center of the frame is slightly that way of Jarvis. Now she is the most in frame thing of the entire show.

We could, while she's sitting like this, get a frame for the is Fortnite overrated with a dog in the frame too. All right. You know, we have an announcement that we don't know exactly when it's going to be made, but it is going to happen. I am a permanent host.

You're taking over actually for me. Am I the only person that didn't know about this? Oh yeah, sorry. I'm the permanent host replacing you. It's actually a solo show now yeah with eddie immigration's outside um so sad boys jordan and myself are starting a patreon and with one of the things with that patreon that you're gonna get is a bonus episode every single week immediately following the release of the main channel episode. It means a lot to us.

Like setting up the Patreon, it's going to help us do bigger and better things, but more importantly, provide a comfortable life for, you know, the people that work on the show, Jordan included. I don't know if you've heard about immigration lawyer fees,

but they are expensive. This is not free. Yeah. But, you know, it's, we are soldiering on and we're you know we just want to provide something for the community that we can and we want to provide for our people and make sure that everybody's like you know i don't know just doing the best that we can yeah i mean it's just very kind and flattering that so many people engage with the show at all and it allows us to like bring jacob on and and such a help and so we just want to develop and grow as much as possible and it'd be fun to do and uh

an extra app where we keep all the swears yeah extra app we got a couple of others we got a cam oh those are the two that you you can say those are there more no those are it those are the two five slurs. Go. I'm pissed. That's three. And there will also be some other goodies that are going to be really exciting. So head on over to patreon.com slash sadboyspod and check them out. Am I? Oh, also, am I sticking around for the bonus episode this week? If you want.

Yeah, I will. Let's fucking go, dude. That's so sick that does mean that this does conclude this episode of sad boys before the bonus episode and i want to thank eddie uh our dear friend it's such a pleasure just to be able to make stuff with your friends be able to hang out with your friends um and eddie is a good one of ours so thanks thanks again, buddy. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Yeah. Check out Eddie's channel. Check out Eddie's videos.

Follow him on Twitter. Follow him on Twitch. Sometimes he does that too. I have not done that for a while. But also the real ones follow Burback. Yeah. That's the big one. Burback, my channel with my brother, Tony, we make video.

Video essays about video games. make uh video essays about video yeah video essays about video games sometimes they're like video essay like kind of reviews of like an old game maybe you should play like lego star wars or wii sports or like just just a bunch of older ones like that or it's a video essay on something maybe more recent and there's a big change to that channel coming up in like april that i'm really excited about and i'll just say you you're probably going to be seeing Tony's face a lot more often. So yeah, please support that channel. It's going to be like the Mario 64 opening

where you can pull his face and move it around. Exactly. You're going to be able to move Tony's face around on the screen. And you'll feel it in real life. But yeah, that one is a big one that I would love if anybody could go at least check it out and see if you like it.

I love the Burbeck videos. I think that one thing that I have fucked up about my brand online is that I have fucked up about my brand online is that I don't talk about video games very much. And so they're not associated with me. But on the back end, I'm a consumer. I'm a lover of all, especially the video essay genre in the video game space. And I think that you and Tony are doing such a fresh take on it.

I appreciate it. That is, the work goes in. i've seen the streams of you guys playing the games it doesn't take a long time yeah it doesn't feel cynical or topic charged yeah it feels genuinely like passion research and genuine because what did uh i'll say just real quick what would happen with that channel especially as tony and i were like we've always wanted to work together creatively and this is shit that we talk about very frequently. We joke about very frequently and then had the idea of like, well, um, you know, after other circumstances where Tony kind of like lost his job, um, not like, like an internet, you know, job, but not, uh, I didn't

want to make it sound like Tony got fired from a place, but, um, uh, we especially like started making these videos and I yeah i think it's pretty fresh to i feel like it's not common or not done to have like two people making a video essay together as collaborators that are also like so close yeah um and have like you know obviously different opinions and voices but like can collaborate so easily because we're twins so uh yeah hopefully it's like we're offering something new um and then in the future we're gonna try and change things up even more so let's freaking go we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're

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