Sad Boyz - Elon Is In The Epstein Files (w/ Nick Wiger)

Episode Date: February 7, 2026

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. And today we're joined by a very special guest, Nick Weiger. Hey, buddy. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here. Wow.

You come to us. Oh, yeah. Oh, interesting. This is like the alternative grip, like for ping pong players. It's like in Marty Supreme where they're like, wait a minute, they use the pin. They use the pin hold grip to me east. I defend with my left-hand guitar. Right.

You actually do microphones akimbo. You asked you to put down the second mic. Yeah, I used to be in 5-1. Yeah, you want to record in stereo? I watched this medieval swords guy talking about why dual wielding is impractical, and I was like, man. Is it sell sword arts? I don't know that, I don't know the name of the, the, the, the, the, the YouTuber,

but it was a thing where I was just like, man, you just suck the fun out of so many anime. I was just, I think I could, whenever I watch something like that, that even slightly goes against, just what I want. Right. I want it to be effective. My instinct that I always have to fight is like, no, it's good. No, I think. I don't know anything about it.

I can do it. That guy's clearly never felt the joy of a perfect parry. Yeah, that's the thing. He just doesn't get it. Well, he was saying you can dual wield like a small blade. Right. Like in your offhand, but two like full size doesn't make any sense. He was pointing out all the disadvantages of me.

Two large reverse grip swords with no range. And I want to spin around like Taz. Hear me out, hear me out, though. Okay. So I understand the. issue with two large grip swords, but has he considered having them attach into a pole arm? And then you can do all the pole arms. Pretty sick.

And then killing Quigal. Right. I mean, look, maybe that's your agenda. Something like that. I for one, am a fan. You can do him. But if you're finding a guy with a pole arm, you're like, all right, I know how to deal with this. And then halfway through, he breaks it and a half.

He breaks in an ad. He's due wielding. Oh, fuck. Or like, there's that thing when someone has a pole arm in an anime or a show. and then someone is fighting them with a sword and they cut it in half. And they think, I've got you now.

And it's like, no, this was actually a beecher, not a bug. It's got to feel so unsatisfying when I eventually end up through just whatever like series of random events in a sword fight. And I don't even get close to hitting them. Like, take a swing,

the hilt detaches, the sword drops on the floor and they shoot me to death. I do think you would probably do something like take their sword, stab yourself with it. And then be like, and then be like,

you've defeated me, but my legacy will live on or something. I don't know who you are. I felt recently very silly because I watched, I just told you guys this, but I watched the two more recent Avatar movies, and it did make me want to take a weapons combat class. You want to write a Tulkud? Well, of course I do, but. What weapons specifically?

So they do a lot of bows, which would be cool. But I think I'm a knife gal. Verong kind of has the dual size. So the Veron stuff is very cool. And I know you're a fan of Varan. Love Varang. And maybe got some recent Varong ink. If loving Vong is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

I think, did you get a tattoo on your arm of Varon? I do have a Verong tattoo that I've still fresh ink on my left deltoid. Let's go. Yeah. I, okay, so I think I'm the one here who has seen the least avatar, and I feel a small amount of shame about that. But in my defense, it's an intellectuals. Yeah, I don't have a high enough IQ to understand the humor. It reminds me of Rick and Morty in that regard.

Yeah, same creator. I don't like, okay, so my problem, here's what happened. I never, I'm not a big weed guy. I'm not an edible guy, really. I just don't feel. I usually just get sleepy and don't feel amazing. And some people are like that. And I foolishly went to go see way of water with people who were like,

hey, we're eating edibles before. And I was like, okay, I don't want to harsh the vibe. And so then I did that. And then the next thing I know, there's like a white kid with dreads and dolphins with subtitles on the screen and then I fell asleep. That is a, yeah, challenging format. I think we are both cursed with the why is weed good disease. and I don't think, as I say, it's an intellectual experience, you know.

Right, well, yeah. Also, my brain was, yeah. It would be really hard to understand, like, what a big whale is all about. Right. They have a greater capacity for empathy than humans. Yeah, because PiaCon, for instance, is a, you know, a Tultakoon who is forefronted, particularly in way of water, but Paiocon gets some screen time a good amount in the most recent entry. To seek redemption for his.

exile. Exactly. He's been exiled for using violence against the near locutors. But he has a like they have the the Tolkien have a culture, right? They write songs. They have a they have like committees

that mean up. They have like a frustrating municipal process. It does feel like DNC. The electoral college. I'm actually a registered Tolkudvora.

I'm with the TSA. This does remind me of like going into like a druid circle or something in Boulder's Gate. As a rogue. Oh, sure. And I'm like how I am curious how they do such good world building in a movie that is long. But like you would think. Jimbo's just out of control, man.

He just got it. He just got it like that. He went, he went down to the abyss. He min-maxed all. The Master of Water. Yeah, he min-mixed all of his skills. out of like social capacity and ability to communicate with actors

and put it into being wet and making movies. What, um, people like Titanic's filming. I was watching, um, this guy, I want to say his name is Joey Ingleman. Uh, he, his YouTube channel where he does these, um,

like videos about, oh man, I'm gonna, I want to, I actually do want to give him a shout out. Let me double check the vet's his name. I know Engelman's his last name. There is a Joey Engelman on. YouTube. There's a video called like, oh yeah.

Let's go. Oh, but I was watching this Joey Engelman. Very funny thumbnails. Holy crap. Yeah, he's awesome because he does it post a lot and then he just drops of these 40-minute videos that are like movie production disasters iceberg explained.

And there's one about Titanic and about how a bunch of people got sick, question mark filming. I didn't realize that there was so much. Movies with the most latex feet. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. The most. So I first found out of 10 minutes. I first found him through the TV shows canceled after one episode, Iceberg.

And that was a really good one. Okay. Or movies that should not exist. There's a lot of good stuff. Have your eyes been drawn to win kidney or die? The most unethical TV show ever made. That's pretty bad. That does sound bad.

Cool looking kid, though. How did he count these latex feet? How do he index that? Isn't an hour and ten of him going, well, I don't think he counts. I do think you're, much like, I feel like they're relying on a third party. Sure. Like some sort of adjudicating body of feet counters. Yeah, is there a third?

Did you guys know that 50 plus people were hospitalized after eating clam chowder that was laced with PCP? What? during the production of Titanic. Was Jimmy just being cheeky? Who did that? I don't know. I don't fully understand.

I can't change. But it was also like, it was in Nova Scotia. He's evil because he's bald. And then Kate Winslet also got pneumonia. And James Cameron had a near fatal sub dive accident. So there was a lot of crazy. Yeah, that does seem pretty tame.

Man, near fatal subdive. Because that's like one of the things I feel like you super dive. or you are completely fine, but that's why he became ocean Jesus because he actually survived whenever else failed. It was out of resentment. But then he seemed like kind of smug about those guys getting imploded.

I mean, it's one of the funniest clips in history. Of him just being like, I wouldn't have dated it like that. I will defend him on that point because that guy was smug as well. He was an idiot, but he was also like a mega nepo baby. Yeah, he was like money.

Wow. It was like a tank LaMoscelain or something. Yeah, it was like Chargrey McHawlston. Is it something Rush? Stockton Rush. Yeah. Wow. That's cool.

The, you know, bringing it back to Avatar. The, the, it's revealed that the, um, Giovanni Rubisi character is a Nepo baby and Avatar Fire and Ash, which is very much like, James Cameron, you're conscious of the moment right now. Everyone hates Nepo Baby. I mean, the fact that he, maybe, I genuinely made me. me laugh out loud in the theater and then realize that like nobody was really fucking with it as much. But was the idea that every time that you see the like the respond Marines, they bring them back in Avatar bodies if they, if they died. They rebuild them with the same like Halo Marine tattoos and Ed Hardy T-shirts.

The clothes they give them are exactly the like tier one operator online. Hoster, like, training for the physical fitness exam for ice. Like, exact same build. 3D prints some Oakley's from the 1990s that's proportionally fit to their giant head. Oh, my God. That stuff rocks. Yeah, it's awesome. It's actually a good movie and movies.

Yeah, they're good movies. I mean, I, everyone says this. Though, Avatar 1, not, never connected movie in the average. Okay, here's my question. When you saw Avatar 1 and we were all, we all saw it. And we were like, okay, cool. I'm going to kill myself because I can't live on the door. I was like, no.

You weren't into it. You said this is basically Fern Gully. I did say that. Yeah, it's classic anesthesia moment. I was also going within the same week, less than a week between them. I saw Werner Herzog's Cave of Forgotten Dreams, which was also in 3D. Werner Herzog is also in the movie production disasters, Iceberg, for the movie he made where they were dragging the ship.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a classic bad idea. Classic where it's like getting into some stuff. Yeah. And he tried to steal that baby Yoda, too. That's pretty messed up. I want to see the baby. I liked the 3D better in the Cave of Forgotten Dreams.

And for some reason, I was comparing those two films in my mind, which like they're so different. I shouldn't have. But I was a little being a little bit of a snob. That is like a classic anesthesia thing. Big Suley's only in that movie. Where it's like, why were you comparing that? It's like I saw the like, hey, arm. movie and I thought I thought how does this compare to this is not keynote yeah interesting this is

this really doesn't matching up to Humphrey Bogart's performance in Casablanca I have been known to be a bit of a snobb. Hey and we love you for it okay thank you never change what are you most snobbish about is it is it film yeah I think movies but I I'm also I have a very eclectic taste in movies because like you're an eclectic life I love comedies I love like really low budget stuff. Yeah, I'm like very eclectic in life, I guess. Yeah. Oh my God, you're bowing.

You're applauding yourself. Okay, I've never asked you this question directly, but something you talk about a lot in passing that you enjoy. Are you snobby about French fries? Oh. You do like French fries. I do like French fries. And I am a vegetarian.

It's one of the only good foods you're allowed to eat. When I was a kid, because I became vegetarian when I was 10 years old. And so my mom was like really mad at me and my sister for being vegetarian. She was like, I'm not cooking for you. She thought that would work in us deciding to eat meat again. And it didn't. It just made us get fries for dinner. And we would eat.

At the time Long John Silver's had something called fries for four. And we called it fries for four for one. Because we would each get one. have a variety of dipping sauces. And that was like dinner. The food groups. Right. It's like you have a multicolored plate by virtue of the sauces that you're putting

me. I love Greek restaurant French fries. They're so good. They salt and pepper them and double fry them. So like the pepper is like fried into them. Oh, that's actually. It's amazing. They figured out oil.

They go to cichomot on oil and it works every time. Nick, you might be. You're a. You're a professional fry guy. I'm a bit of a fry guy. I will say that... Yeah, look, I have a soft spot for a crinkle cut, which I know is controversial,

and some people don't like the form factor, but for me, I grew up with my beloved del taco, which is a Mexican restaurant that has fries. What is a kid blew my mind. But, like, I really like their crinkle cut fries, and Shake Shack kind of has a simulacrum of them. That's also pretty good. It's a shake shacks was using...

They used frozen potatoes. They switched to fresh potatoes at a certain point, and everyone was like, fuck this. Like, the customers complain. Like, we want the frozen process version. Yeah, from your position of authority as a frigo, what is, I suppose, two questions. One, is the form factor what makes crinkle cuts better? Because they have a unique fluffiness that I feel like is pretty much unique, like across the world. It's, I mean, it's, of course, a factor because it just affects the surface ratio and, you know, the amount of crispness it can have.

have. So, yeah, I think that's, but also these things are very subjective. Like, there are people who like hate steak fries because they're too mushy. I was going to say that steak fries and crinkle cut fries occupy the space of there's a lot of potato in there. Yeah. That if not cooked with the proper care can, you can get like the really chalky ones. It's a greater risk. Or it can be too mushy. I feel like you need to be an adept friar of fries to properly fry both of those two fries. For sure. And one thing I will say about like a place like Raising Cains, which I'm like, well, K on

Raising Cains, everything's under seasoned. But they, except for the bread. I feel like the bread is oversees. The bread is oversaw. That's where it went. Yeah. But they like, that's a place where all they do is use that deep fryer. And so they know what they're doing.

So you're going to get a good fry on them fries. Yeah. So you have a podcast about chain restaurant. Right. Do you think there is a chain restaurant that does French fries the best? So, I mean, an answer other than McDonald's, which is the, you know, whatever. McDonald's does, sorry to interject. McDonald's, if you eat the fries, like, within, I don't know, 15 minutes out of the fryer, I feel like they're perfect.

Yeah. And I do feel like there's a steep drop off over time because I can't go back to a McDonald's fry. I would even, I'd posit the same about ShakeShack. Yeah, I mean, it's true. Life line is very slim. It's true about a lot of fries, though. Short. In and out.

Right. No, they're bad the whole time. In and out, how dare you? I was going to say, in and out definitely gets a bad rap for their fries. And I don't, there's a reason why. I think it's something that they do, but I don't know what it is that they do special to their fries that people don't like. They started cooking them poorly and making them not good. They're fresh potatoes.

They do use fresh potatoes. So that's part of a day. They're very potatoly up. No, I mean, I get that the fries are polarizing. like an early, I will defend their burgers, but if someone's like, I don't like the fries, I'm like, yeah, of course, that's fine. The fries are the place where I didn't initially like them. I grew to like them.

Right. As I became a California resident. You developed some cultural affection that maybe I, maybe me as a contrarian needs to learn to do as well. My gut biome adapted. Well, that could be my problem. Yeah. So an answer other than McDonald's, which I had McDonald's fries last night, the, I would go

with Outback Steakhouse. I think their fries are actually quite solid. Jacobs chiming in. Yeah. I mean, their fries are really good. Yeah. I haven't had Outbacked. I don't think ever in my life.

Does it have a stronger cultural presence where you're from? No, I didn't have it until I moved to L.A. Oh, okay. I didn't know we had an Outback here. So maybe I'll have to try it. Do you have a take on the, speaking of Outback and this like fast, I guess what do you call it fast casual? Or like those, that mid-rangey type like sit down, but still like not. super fancy schmats. Chili's has had a huge resurgence recently and partly due to their marketing

to like Gin Z and stuff. Do you have a take on the resurgence of some of these types of restaurants? Yeah. Chili's more of a sit down place. But like I my understanding is that that Chili's has really been conscious of their social media strategy. And so they leaned into things. They're like, okay, these influencers are, you know, doing something with our, with our Nashville mozzarella sticks. They're doing cheese pulls. We'll just lean into it and we'll do that with our own social media as well. And so they actually, we went to the Chili's where they shoot all of their social media content for their own channel. Oh, they're a certain set for, yeah. Exactly. And it's just like, it's like the platonic ideal of a Chile. But it was, it was hopping on a

weeknight. I've seen a lot of like economists talk about this. Yeah, for sure. Because it's, it's, like, we aren't in the best of times economically, despite what, you know, some of, some people in power may say. And there is a like a recession indicator and a lot of people in Gen Z who are like, I want to eat out, but I like everything's gotten more expensive. Chilis is like, we see you. We're going to drop the prices. We're going to have like a fun social media campaign, try to meet people where they are. And it seems like it's worth. Like their stock has been like not investment advice, but their stock has been hopping. I wonder if part of it is, you know, if you're in like maybe your late teens, early 20s, you had such an anarchic sort of, you know, childhood where you were just like,

going to restaurants during your formative years was like not even an option. You know what I mean? Like, and so maybe there's part of there's the novelty of it of like, oh, wow, I can go out with my friends and have some drinks. What a, what a no shit. Did you have like a, like, when you're in high school, like a haunt that was like, oh, this is the place that we're hanging out. We used to go to like a, I don't know if Coco's still exists. I think it doesn't, but we used to go to Anastasia's nodding. We used to go to like a Coco's. It doesn't exist. I'm agreeing that it doesn't. It is completely

you're nodding to death. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, Carrow's another one of those that kind of quietly closed over the past few years that used to be everywhere. But they're like, it's more of like a bakery, like what people would call a coffee shop before Starbucks. Right. You just, you sit

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Thanks to Zoc doc for sponsoring this episode. Mine in high school was Moes. Moes. Because, and Moes is like Chipotle. Oh, okay. It's like almost identical. Like it's a direct comparison. but just in fewer markets.

And it kind of lost the war. This is in Florida. It is in Florida, but Moses is in, was also in Georgia. It's along the East Coast. Like we had one near my college campus. Or went the way of a co-goes. No, it's still around, but, um. It's like a southeast Chipotle basically.

It's really very regional. Regional. Like, and, and Chipotle was a Tiraba, like, was a pinky, Chipotle was like Pinky's Up right. I was in high school. Like, it was fancier. And so Moes was like down to earth for like the high school kids.

Chipotle was like, whoa, I didn't know. You must have gotten a job where you have some extra cash. Even though, I don't even think the prices were that different. Moes, I believe, is an acronym. And I don't remember what it stands for. But it's like something like musicians, something in entertainers or whatever. It's like a weird, like the guy who made it, kind of had a artist sort of community. They also had a cool thing that it was in all the commercial.

where when you walk in, they say, okay, so if you go to Japan and you walk into a restaurant, or even if you go to a Japanese restaurant in some parts of L.A., you'll get Arashima, you know, like, which is like welcome. And Mo's when you walk in, they go, Wakanobos. They just go, welcome to Moose. That's cool. Everyone yells it. I like that.

Can we go on YouTube and type in Welcome to Moes? This popular quick. casual neighborhood restaurant has one of the most highly differentiated menus in its pattern breaker with a wide those were still the names when i was general taste you've been there i've been there yeah i went i went in alana a guy reading a newspaper in most incredible popularity is its spicy attitude from the fun and welcoming atmosphere i wonder oh atlanta hey welcome there you we had one like uh so i went to georgia tech in Atlanta and it's like uh we had one in tech square that was like right off of campus or kind of connected to campus.

So I would go there quite a lot. You guys think it's a difficult cell to kind of pitch. I mean, I don't know. Let's say, I feel like Zoomers is becoming too ubiquitous a term. But like, let's say somebody who had a bunch of their formative years defined by by lockdown. And then also majority of their kind of like presence in the world being online or a lot of their education in the world being online. Do you think it's difficult to even pitch the appeal of going to a sit-down restaurant?

Yeah, I wonder. I mean, because it's just, it might just be a foreign concept. And it's like, why would I do that when I can order something off of my phone that will come to my door and I can be on, you know, Instagram the whole time? I do. I agree with that. It's a single screen. And I also believe that. Like, that's a, that's a pitch that appeals to me.

Why would I leave? But I do think that there's a, there's kind of a rejection of that now. and people are starting to venture out into the world. I think there's young people who, you know, didn't get the chance to socialize in high school and stuff because of lockdown that are now like, this is a novel thing going to Chili's. Right.

And it's like, oh, I could go to Chili's with my friends. Like, I did that when I was a kid going to a cafe, we each order coffee and one basket of fries and sit there for like three hours. but now kids get to do that. The lifestyle defined by these fries, huh? It's five different dipping sources. I love to dip.

I do have to say if my food can be a vehicle for five different dipping sauces, I love that. It's very Greek of you. Very Greek behavior. Hey, what can I say? Gotcha. Speaking of food and also speaking of something we mentioned before the show, which is sleep, of which I didn't get a lot of last night. All right, buddy.

It's okay. I'm strong. I'm brave. He's crying. And you can't see it, actually. My tears are transparent. Thank you very much. Good life hack.

Yeah. It's the whole thing I engineered. But I tried to go to bed early last night. My plan was I'm going to go to bed early. I drink like a little, like, sleepy time tea type thing that had like El Phionine and all stuff that's supposed to help you sleep. And I felt sleepy. Like it was like, oh, here it comes.

Here comes to sleep. I, like, put everything away. I, like, gently laid myself down to bed. And then boom, wide awake again. And I was like, maybe I should eat something. And that'll put me to sleep. And what I chose to eat was, as maybe a part of research for having you on, Nick,

was Taco Bell. Hell yeah. Order Taco Bell last night. thing that blows my mind, you're talking about Del Taco having fries, Taco Bell has chicken nuggets now? They do. Bold. And that's interesting. Have you tried them, Jacob? Yeah. Jacob's not a fan.

The times that I've had them, they were really dry. Yeah. But you know, it is good. Speaking of fries, nacho fries are good. I agree with you on the nugs, which I've had, and they had, they were doing 10 D's, I believe, for a time as well. And I don't feel like either of them really hit the mark. They also were, like, putting them inside of, you know, of tortillas and making tacos and burritos out of them. I have been dabbling in the canteena wrap, I think.

Oh, there you go. Yeah. Which maybe is the dipper some way. It's like the upscale because they have the Taco Bell Cantino, which is their like fancy schmancy you can drink and it's like a sit down restaurant activation. That's my go to dinner before I go to the Egyptian theater. We had one in San Francisco in downtown. I used to walk past it when I was living in Soma because I worked at when I was.

worked at Yelp, I would like walk, I would walk back to my apartment and I would pass the Taco Bell canteen and people would be like whining and dining. Oh, I don't think I had the social cachet to be let in. Yeah, it is. There's like a whole password. You have to like, there's a big bouncer at the door.

Please, sir. Just one nuggy, please. Hey, don't know with those shoes. Yeah, you're out of town. Where are you from? Um, and they did a thing where they started adding the canteena like more upscale elements to the menu because they're saying hey you know how our food is like shit well this stuff actually isn't so this one has a whole different name but it's like but i like

whatever stuff they're putting in regular taco bell so i wasn't asking any questions but they were like if you're if you're health conscious or if you're like you want fancier food you can try the canteenas so you're just trying to go to sleep i was just trying to go to sleep so i was trying to put myself to bed with a Chalupa. I got to sleep eventually. That's true. And it was after having talked about it. I didn't like the nuggets either for this.

I feel like eating before bed, it keeps me awake. I used to, it's not as bad these days, but I used to not be able to sleep on an empty stomach. Like it would just be so, so, I know it sucked because I would need like to drink or do something. I think a hot beverage would help. But, but yeah, it's all. So sometimes I do still have that reaction where I'm like, well, I can't sleep. Maybe my stomach will chill out if I, if I eat something. You mentioned before the show that you're also a bad sleep bastard.

I do have bad sleep. Real quick on that. When I was when I was really broke in my early 20s and I'd get hungry at night, I would just go to bed, like hungry. Dude, sleep for dinner? But I could sleep. Exactly. Sleep for dinner. I'd call it dessert.

But the, but, but yes, I've had sleep problems for many years. I started getting insomnia in my, as a teenager. and the thing that I've not I don't have it fully under control and but it's gotten much more manageable. A big part of it is like light therapy, which I'm sure you have at some point experimented with. But like I people make fun of it, fun of me when they see me doing it. But like I will put on sunglasses or blue light blocking glasses an hour before bedtime. Yeah, yeah. And it's because it's so hard to just completely avoid screens.

Right. And I mostly am trying to avoid it. I'm mostly just like reading a book or whatever. But it's like you still find yourself like looking at a text or something like that. Yeah, 100%. And but then also this is the big thing. And I got this from a book called Hello Sleep that I really enjoyed. And I found illuminating that came out a couple years ago.

I wake up at the same time every day. Yeah. And that becomes, you know, some days you're going to be tired because I'm like, I was out till 2 a.m. And my wake time is 7 a.m. So I'm going to be tired the next day, but it means that I can still get to sleep at the same time that night, so I don't lose my rhythm. Yeah, in the times that I've had better sleep, that was definitely a part of the equation. I don't know what destabilized me this time.

It was like an American foreign intervention in my sleep. De-stabilized the incumbent government. We are looking for-my circadian rhythms. We're looking for justifications, but the truth is that it was- They were there for oil. Unfortunately, they were mining the old of my mind. They're saying it. My big thing, and this is an old guy thing, is like, I have to get up to pee every

a night now. And that's just like that. Like, I used to have uninterrupted sleep. And, but now I'm just like, all of a sudden it's 3 a M. I was like, oh, I get to take a whiz. And then for whatever reason, I'm awake for 90 minutes. I might have be out of my mind. I love a night piss.

I think it is. It's kind of like it's an intermission in a long movie. You're also, you've also been the, the, traditionally the, the piss bastard. Oh, I was going to say that. The bad sleep bastard. Yeah, I've just, I, same, I think in when I was maybe 13, just insomnia, just forever. And then I kind of just adapted to like having a always being pretty underslept.

And then in my mid-20s, I finally ended up with a medication that kind of helped with it. And it was a revelation in like, this is what everybody else has been getting. this like ability to wake up less tired than when you went to bed, like waking up and feeling less bad. Instead it was just kind of this. I ended up in a loop a lot in my early 20s and actually I guess late 20s as well, whenever things would be kind of turbulent. And if I was in the UK and the time difference was different and whatever, it would usually be

I don't know, two nights a week I wouldn't sleep probably for like a couple of years. That's wild. That just like broke my brain. Yeah. And, you know, maybe one of those I then go to sleep at like 3 p.m. on that day or I, but the waking up consistently thing is really hard because the medication I take now that is just coincidentally very drowsy, but as a result, I take it in the evening and it helps with that. If I don't, horrible itchiness all night, just impossible to sleep even if I get to sleep. And if I do 10 hours of sleep, can't do less. If I don't go to bed at 10 p.m. I am waking up.

So there's a sleep study thing that came out recently about how long you need to sleep for. And one of the things that they were measuring was people's ability to like perform at certain tasks given how much sleep they had. And people who it was like there was like an eight hour group and a six hour group. and the six-hour group essentially, like, stopped being tired when they woke up after consistently getting six hours, but we're performing more poorly on cognitive, like, tests. Wow. And I'll, I can, we'll link it in the thing because there is a, there is a study. But what they, it's not like, I think they have to do more continued.

studies. But basically, it's like your body gets used to sleeping less, but it's hiding the cognitive impairment from you. So a lot of people who think they don't need as much sleep have really just convinced themselves or convinced their body that they don't. Like night owls aesthetically. Right. But actually, you're like operating at like a lower capacity, which is interesting to me because I always want to be operating at maximum capacity. I think maybe the last couple of is maybe confirmed that podcasting is not one of those cognitive tests because it appears to be working.

But imagine the show I'd be on if I was sleeping. Oh, my goodness. The kind of jokes I would be, I mean, I can probably figure out a really good joke right now. Yeah. Yeah, you would be able to do that if you had some extra sleep. Now I'm noticing. This is, what happened to my go, dude? He used to be in his prime.

Give me just like a prompt. His head used to go above the rim when he doesn't. Could you just give me a prompt just like a banana peel? Not that one, better one. Funny a one. Plown. Imagine a sad one. I'm laughing.

Okay. That's absurd. Imagine like a twisted one with like a worldview that was like embracing chaos for its own sake or something. I do like the idea of an improviser who goes on stage asks for things says no and then leaves. I wanted to do a joker thing and none of you helps. Wow. You guys suck.

All right. Anyway, that's my time. You do what? I, so going, going to sleep. I, um, you know, night night. The, my therapist, my old therapist, got something in my head, which I found very helpful because I, I, I, I, I have sleepless nights, but what I'm more, more likely for me is, like, at night where I'd get, like, two or three hours of sleep.

Right. And I'm barely functional the next day. But he was, like, just internalized that you've had sleepless nights before. You've had nights when you've gotten bad sleep before. And on the other side of it, you've been okay. You've been able to function. You've been able to do your job. You've been able to stay safe and feed yourself or whatever.

So, like, when it, what, so actually when that is most reassuring for me is when I'm having trouble falling asleep. And I just remind myself, like, you know what? If I don't fall asleep, it's fine because I'll be okay. Because then you don't have the performance anxiety. Exactly. If I need to get to bed or else. And then that actually turns off my OCD brain.

Yeah. And I'm more likely to fall asleep once I acknowledge that. So is that like a general impulse is, um, feel free. It's too personal. No worries. but like from mental health staged, are you kind of a ruminator? One, 100%. And this is a thing that I, because I got in an OCD diagnosis officially only this past year, which I was, I've been dealing with generalized, you know, anxiety and depression for a long time, off and on.

But it felt like finally getting at the root cause of this kind of constant rumination that I sometimes get into, these looping thoughts. Yeah, congrats feels weird, but congrats on the clarity. It doesn't change anything. Thank you. It actually is very helpful to have it identified at least. We both were diagnosed with ADHD, like very late in life, and it was another one of those illuminating things where it's like, oh, okay. Well, now that I have a name to this, I can start to address it appropriately. Now that you know he was a ghost the whole time.

Right. You get to kind of rewatch living. Before that, it's like, and before that it's just like very this nondescript, I'm a little weird. Yeah. It's just a Jordanism. Yeah. Being such a wacky guy. Yeah.

Being late to everything, it's extremely unreliable. Have there been, again, by the way, if it's too personal, no need to respond. But have there been any, like, changes now that you've made post-diagnosis, post-having that clarity? This is a great question. I mean, like, a big thing is, so when you start ruminating, and I'm sure you all have experienced this, when you start getting into, you're thinking the same things, a lot of the times, a lot of the the tools you're more likely to use, the compulsions to break yourself out of it, which can be, you know, the most known are like motor compulsions or like whatever. Like, I scratch my face. That's one

thing I do. But also there are mental compulsions, which are things like, I was like, I can't believe I did that. I was so stupid. Why did I say that? Right. Reassurance is a mental compulsion. We start being like, it's okay. It's going to be fine. They'll forget about it. What you're actually doing is strengthening the obsessive thought. Or if you're rationalizing it and you're like, well, you didn't know it was going to offend this person. So it's, you know, like, how could you have known at the time? You thought it was an innocuous comment. Again, that's strengthening it.

So instead, you just kind of have to let it sit there, which is uncomfortable, but it actually does make the loops go away. You're just sort of like, I'm having an obsessive thought, and that's basically label it and leave it alone. Oh, it's like a- inflammation. Yeah, right, yeah. You want to touch it and try and, like, reduce the wound.

But every time you do the blood starts to flow a little fast. Yeah. That's interesting because I definitely am one of those, like, rationalizers when I do. I don't think, I mean, I'm always open to be being diagnosed with something new, but I do ruminate sometimes, especially like at night. And I try to rationalize those things away because I know that they're irrational. But I do think that labeling it and leaving it alone, it is, yeah, very uncomfortable, but that's super interesting. You do have the instinct to facts and logic to battle. That's like because that's my only tool. Yeah. It's like facts.

It's like that's my blade, you know, that I have. But you can't defeat you. Yeah, yeah. It's the shadow self. It's the shadow self. It's the dark link. But it does tie back into sleep because I, and also just like in terms of sleep hygiene, another thing I do is I don't have my phone at my bedside.

It's actually never goes into our bedroom. And so. Anastasia's been doing that recently. That's great because. This is just too big. Yeah. It doesn't fit to the door. It's an enormous phone.

A king-sized phone and a queen-size mangers. Exactly. This is like an S&L sketch with Justin Timberlake. I think isn't he going to bring it on down to something, Bill? Something. The like, like, if you have time where you're just go to your default state, where you're just letting yourself think as opposed to being distracted by a device, you know, that's healthy for your brain and you're doing the sort of normal social organizing

that needs to happen where you're just like you're having the kind of thoughts that a lot of if you're just looking at screens all day or just interacting with people, you're just busying and distracting yourself, all those thoughts come racing to you at once when your head hits the pillow. It's like, oh, this is the one time I've actually just been alone with my brain all day. And it's when I most need to turn it off. And it's just really tricky. So like, yeah, having those moments earlier in the day does seem to help. You notice the tonight is more at night kind of sensation. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I, I have like a lot of, um, like, vocal stimming that I'll do if

if I don't have a phone or anything and it just feels like another way to distract myself if you're walking around the house yeah if I'm walking around or if I'm like let's say I'm walking home and my phone's dead or something I will just like I will just like start humming or something to myself and I'm like damn I really can't like the compulsion is to like just avoid sitting with my thoughts

I mean I've been I've been resistant to meditation my whole life until about a year ago because I didn't want to be with my thoughts. And now I force myself to practice it. It's really, really hard. And I don't enjoy it. And I don't want to do it. But it's sold. It's one of those things that like I have to.

It's bad. Don't do it. I have to do it because otherwise I don't sleep. And I have like any time. time I'm alone with my thoughts. It's the worst stuff. Right. It's like nails on a chalkboard.

If I'm walking around the house looking for like, I'm sure people can attest her this, I'm just walking around the house and I can't find what like, I may not have even had an objective or whatever I was doing, but I'll, I'll instantly code switch back to super, super middle Englandy. I'll just be walking around. I'll go to the fridge, open it up, walk over to the dishes, but they're done. I just go, what am I doing? What is going on?

And I wouldn't even think about it. I'm going, he fucking cares. Because I never was there for anything. I'm not hungry or thirsty. What else was I going to find in there? It's kind of, it's like I'm... Think you fight a quest. Yeah.

I'm like, I'm grinding like goblin kills or whatever. And I can't find anymore. I'm like, I'll check the inventory. I don't give your SIM a task. And then they can't cancel. it so they're just standing there by the fridge? Yeah. Now what?

I do sometimes feel like a sin. Let's leave the door and see what happens. Speaking of things I wish were a simulation, Elon is in the Epstein files. Sorry, how was that transition in Eustacea? Beautiful, I loved it. Really smooth. You hear about these files? Yeah, but this stuff's all over the news.

I for one, I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of files. You know, I'm a computer guy. Love to read. These bad files. Not good at all. This will ruin files for you. Normally I hear about files and I'm like,

hell he'd file. Um, guy that loves data. Elon is like Doth for test too much, you know, like, because he was like, uh, I don't, oh, we didn't, we didn't grab these, but there's all these quotes of Elon before it was revealed that he was in the EFstein files where he's like, yuck. He's like, um, Trump's in the Epscene files. That's why they don't want the Middle East. Like Epstein, that guy begged me to go on his island and I said, no, no, no, Mr. Epstein.

Please, sir, please. You're like the Tony Stark of the modern day. Yeah. And he said, no, you're a pervert. I feel a dark energy emanating to you. I'm playing path of exile. I'm protected by the light. And by I'm, I mean a man in China is playing path of exile.

Oh, yeah, big. And that's not racist. That's just a fact. It's just a thing he did. Oh, yeah, time to drop the really big bomb. This is such a, like, Reddeter core. Yeah. Like, okay, bro, you didn't need to.

Um, thanks for the gold. Um, I'm about to alt. Yeah. Here goes nothing. That's what he says before, you know, like, uh, before an ultimate attack, you have like a cut scene. Oh, it's, and it's like, now's time for my big attack. Time to drop the really big bomb. Real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.

That's the real reason they have not been public. Have a nice day, DJT. This was in the like moment during Doge when he was like beefing with Trump. They were having a messy breakup. up and uh and then trump was just like babe babe you're like the only one and then he deleted all of it mark this post for the future the truth will come out so that's when we marked it because we follow everything Elon says and then he deleted it so it was good job we marked it um and then the uh a tranche of um is just a word only used to refer to the fstein files

a tranche of fcd files were released and Elon of course is in the emails i just don't here's the thing right like it's like I, if a friend of mine is like hosting a surprise party or something, I will avoid even mentioning a party, anything, I'll avoid everything because I am concerned that I will slip up and ruin it. If I was in, in pervert documents, I don't trust myself enough to like be cautious. Just don't talk about it at all. Like don't bring it up ever. Don't even talk about Epstein to be bold enough to be like, yeah, release those things that I'm in. Bet you won't.

I do. Yeah. All of the Epstein emails are like subject line perversion. And then it's like such a nasty little life we lead, winky face. His email address is really funny. Wait. Can we just look at today's news on XV everything app where it says Epstein documents. release spark redaction questions.

Normal headline. Epstein's brand muffin recipe sparks baking tests and backlash. Okay. And then it's another normal one. Grand muffin recipe? That sneaks in at 5,700 posts and the other is 700 gay.

That clearly isn't a... Dude, this website does not work. Okay, so... Why is he from out his files? That's what I say. I love when the... It's like when they did the bin Laden raid and then afterwards in the files.

a bunch of like like actually had some hentai in there. Yeah, yeah, it's like he's got an animal crossing safety. And and yes, it's probably his kids, but let us imagine. Right. It's, I don't know if any reason to have photos of Avril Levine on your computer is reasonable, quite frankly. I think whatever it was is an interesting subject point. Why that's not in Zero Dark 30? I'll never forgive Bigelow for that.

Yeah, they should have walked in on him playing Animal Crossing. we're practicing wave dashes look Tomnook has gotten people do some pretty radical steps I needed the bells um JEE vacation at gmail.com why does he not have his own debate

he just loves Gmail how many people will you be for the hellie to island probably just to Lula and me what day slash night will be the wildest party on your island

that's really imperative It is really embarrassing. Which day will have the most swag. Right. There's another email where he talks about being in St. Bart's or whatever. It's the basic call that he's just like actively begging to come to the Pervet Island? Well, so yeah, it basically like he's saying, oh, me and my wife are in town for, or not in town. They were like in the area because they were on St. Bart's.

And then they were like, oh, we're nearby. And you're like the Mr. Party. can we come do the do the partying please what are they telling each other if it's not hey this is a pervert island like how does you find out about it right not talking about the pervado well maybe you know how um how they always talk about the like a lot of the epstein emails are like uh uh what are you getting up to this weekend uh you know and then there's a bunch of um stuff in the files from this uh about like like literal trafficking where it's just just like, hey, send me these passports.

This person wants to model, like, blah, blah, blah. And then Kimball Musk is in the files. And there's a lot of actually Elon's brother emails where it's like scheduling between him and, you know, one of the girls that's being organized by like an assistant. It's disgusting. There's a Simpsons episode with a house of burlesque.

And then there's a certain point a photograph of various men from the town, photographs of men from the town. Oh, like that Quinnby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a Seymour Skinner, the principal Skinner's defenses. I was only going there to ask for directions for how to get away from there. This sort of feels like Elon Musk's explanations you're doing.

Yeah, I will say that... Where I go there? It's illegal. So I want to know where it was, so my play would never accidentally fly over it. I went to stand there and shake my head. So at least the one that we saw, and then one where they confirmed they're in St. Barts, and there's like a timestamp, Vivian, friend of the show, Elon's daughter. confirmed that they were in St. Bart's at the time specified in the emails.

Wow. Yeah. At least lie where you go. It's so strange to me. Maybe it's just money breaks your brain or something. But there's an Elon tweet about what the quote unquote left does, which is deny everything, admit nothing. I have been doing that. And it's like, it's very much like what he's doing.

Nobody has fought harder for the full release of the Epstein files and prosecutions of those who abuse children more than I did, knowing full well that the legacy media far left. propagandists and those who are actually guilty would admit nothing deny everything make counter accusations against me this is a guy who made a twitter account impersonating his own child do you guys remember that yeah that was bald uh i knew that i would be smeared relentlessly despite never having attended his parties or been on his plane or set foot on his creepy island or done anything wrong at all that last part is like yeah or done anything wrong at all i've literally never done anything i was like don't you can't say that because like there's like he's a so many lawsuits. There's like, right. There's lawsuits about racism and Tesla factories. There's

like sexual harassment lawsuits about him promising a horse and exposing himself to a little plane. Well, he didn't do it because he's never done anything wrong. Even putting the name of the plane and like, whatever the hell they're calling it. I don't even know the name of it. Why would he use its full government name? So called, um, is it Jeffrey you said? Who? Who's too rum? I don't know. I'm of course cynical about those in power, but the Epstein files, which of course have been released only in part and heavily redacted. All the worst stuff is under lock and key still, but it's like that it, that has just made it,

like laid it bare that we are, you know, under the thumb of a cabal of stateless pedophiles. It's just like, what a fucking world this is. We like the only major defense of them having is, oh my God, why do you keep talking about that? One of the crazy things about the redactions is that a lot of them don't make any sense. So it feels like they were just redacting stuff to redact it.

Like there are a lot of instances in the files where we have multiple versions. So you have like some of the redactions not there. Or some of the things in the files were already released to the public. Yet when they've redacted them, they've like covered, covered stuff up. And it's like, oh, we know who that is. So then you can start to use logic. Like there's a few instances where Jeffrey Epstein's name himself is redacted in the Epstein files, which is weird. This could be anyone.

Or a lot of their... With his face and body. A lot of the redactions are like protecting people who are very clearly co-conspirators. Yeah, it's like... Or I guess would allegedly be co-conspirators who are in emails like planning stuff with... Like obscuring only Prince Andrews ankles or something. Yeah. God.

Who knows? The Prince Andrews stuff is so disgusting. Well, I mean, there was like new, I think new photos. Yeah, really wild. They're so disgusting. I think one of the, it is interesting seeing the inverse effect of like forced weaponized incompetence that the instrumental authoritarian bootstrapped strongmen in positions of power have just kind of been like disseminating for a while. The government just screws everything up. Can you really trust them?

Almost like reverse agitative propaganda to why push for change or over intellectualized stuff. You know what the government is like. Let's not focus on that. Let's just keep the midterms where they are. It is interesting. actual like the actual seeds of the incompetence that they made on purpose, just do a really bad job for them. Yeah. And now they're like, can you redact certain stuff? And they're like, okay, well, your entire team of like surveyors is, they're all 15 years old. And you've given them

like, uh, 80 million dollar year contracts. Yeah, you gave like a bunch of like tweenie boppers, like top security, like top secret clearance. They're like, what the hell is going on? Speaking of, like, poor redactions, they, one of his, like, burner emails, they left in the files and left the password in. And so people, like, logged into the email and, like, started, like, mucking up the place. They got into his neopets. One of the craziest things is, like, the alleged blackmail of Bill Gates. Yeah, that's it. Oh, have you seen this?

No, I just saw that his wife was fully, like, the reason I divorced him was because of Zabstein. So, and she was, like, hinting at that, like, when they first. like separated because there was this weird kind of haze around bill gates and geoffrey epstein but in these emails there was a exchange i believe in which geoffrey sent it to himself yeah in the email draft it's like he alleges that uh bill like bill gates got a STD from like one of the uh illicit encounters with, you know, one of the trafficked people by Epstein and then found out too late about it and then may have passed it to his wife. Like, and then panically, like tears in his eyes, emailing.

Yeah, and then he was trying to get, uh, not you like, yeah, yeah, he was doing someone else. Trying to get, uh, ways to slip medication for the SDD to his wife without her knowledge. I'm like, yeah, of course she's going to want to divorce him over this. Bro, I, uh... It's like insane. Like, because, uh, one random piece of lore is that in like 2020 or 2021, Bill Gates' team reached out to us to do an interview with him. Wow. And the, at the time, I felt like a conspiracy theorist because, like, I was a little tech nerd.

And I was like, oh, this is exciting. But then at the same time, I was like, I think that there's something with the, it was like, there wasn't a lot of information about the emceed files. And I was like, I was like, I'm. I don't feel good about this. What is this for? And also I don't gain any. Like,

it's not actually a good strategic decision for me. So we didn't do it. And it is the best professional decision I've ever made. Plus, it sounded like they were very controlling. They were like, you can't, it was going to be a PR thing for them.

It was like for a book he was doing about, about pandemic, the pandemic or pandemics in general. But then he also did shit with like the AstraZeneca vaccine and like was weirdly, gatekeeping, like for someone who like cares so much allegedly about public health, like seemed to be caring a lot more about like IP of like vaccines and stuff.

It was like stuff was getting weird around him. He also, I mean, I don't know if he did it directly, but at one point in time, Steam made me change my username from Bill Gates as getting divorced to something else. And I can't help the thing maybe he had something to do with that. Did you see the Xbox live stuff? Oh yeah. Epstein got banned from Xbox Live. Oh, that's right.

The tantrum to Bobby Codick, but I didn't read that. I avoid it because I'll say that that's interesting. And there's a lot of things that, again, there's so much circumstantial stuff that you can't really, you know, say for certain. And then there's also a lot of claims in the files that are raw, like claims that were sent into the FBI that hadn't been corroborated and stuff. But there, the stuff that there are some interesting things like. Christopher Poole, the founder of 4chan, like, I think there's like an alleged intro that happens

and between Epstein and him and then the poll, like the political subform on 4chan. People are now positing that it was like a Jepstein and Jeffrey Epstein like sciop thing. That's his code name. No one knows who it is. Because there is also stuff with like Peter Thiel, I don't know if Peter Thiel has ever mentioned in the in the files, but he has like all kinds of crazy opinions about. about like the world. He's like a weird, like, I don't even know what you would call him, like an narco fascist.

Accelerationist, like AI accelerationist, but also he like wanted to build like cities on the ocean. Yeah, he's like he's trying to build Knight City. And in the cities he wants to build our dictatorships, like basically run cities like companies. Like he's invested in a bunch of things like that. He also, um, and he's literally doing cyber phone.

He also, you know, it's like, um, he is like a financier of J.D. Vance and J.D. Vance is somewhat of alleged puppet of his. Just a handful of some of the most normal guys. Yeah. It's just like we're not even getting the fun part of cyberpunk. It's just the dystopia. Yeah, we don't even get a gun with a big thing on it. No, yeah, no. It just is an upward transfer. Well, the the formatting of this email is driving me crazy as someone with recently diagnosed OCD that you could be this powerful and write an email. with this, like, spelling and grammar this bad with spacing this anarchic. And you're famous for creating a computer with a word processor. It is.

Maybe you made it on typewriter. No, this is Epstein's email. This is Epstein. What I assume... Oh, that's right. Yeah, he has, like, he's, he's borderline illiterate. I assume he wrote this with his eyes closed on a blackberry with, like,

with thick leather gloves. It looks like copy pasta you'd see on, like, R gaming circles. Yeah. It's a green text. 4chan post. If you, this is the email that if you read it three times,

your legs come off. Yeah, so anyway, who knew the billionaire's not so nice? It seems that way now as, you know, as a staunch capitalist. Yes.

You're of the position that this is actually propaganda. Yeah, 100%. I mean, these people are better than us. That's where they have more, you know,

money than us. Because it's a, it's a meritocracy. It's full meritocracy. No, we will be them. It's next man up mentality. I will get to be a billionaire.

when my time, my number comes in. If I'm nice enough, they have to leave it to someone. Yeah, and if I don't, it's a moral failing of mine. The, the, they still don't know how he has his money. Like, where do you get his money? No one's explain that. Right. It is, and all we know is increasing information

about how unlikely it is that his money comes from him being good at finance. Right. It's like, which means nothing. Because like, ultimately it's like being a finance here is that like, It is a money organizer and distributor. But as far as just like, it's like if I just say I'm a martial artist. And you're like, which one? Fighting.

It's, well, it reminds me of when Dan Bilzerian came out of relative obscurity and had $50 million that he said he won playing poker. And then professional poker players analyzed every game that had ever been like on screen. And it was like, this guy's terrible at poker. And he's like, no, well, I play high stakes poker games with like, pro athletes and super rich people that can just afford to lose tons of money. And then you find out that his dad was being sanctioned by the SEC, like left the country, and coincidentally, the $50 million that he owed the Securities and Exchange Commission goes missing.

It's so weird, dude. Went to poker. Yeah. Pretty good hustle, though. It would be publicly bad at poker so that you can show your poker genius behind those doors, these high rollers. The stone face genius. I mean, that's also happened with the NBA gambling scandal. Oh, yeah, I love that. Where all of the pro poker players who are finding out about these high-stakes games were like,

none of this makes sense because these guys aren't making sensible poker moves, yet they're winning. And they can't get lucky this many times in a row. Wait, has I added this? So these guys basically had like x-ray glasses. X-ray glasses, x-ray contacts, x-ray poker tables. they had a rigged shuffler. The players. So essentially it was like the mob plus a few like former, well, now former NBA coach

and former NBA players were kind of like the, oh, this famous player. Who was it? It was. Chonzie Billups. But it was like, come to this game. Yeah, come to this game. You get to play with this guy. And Terry Rozier.

Terry Rozier was just. reinstated his salary, he like won his appeal and the NBA is going to pay him his salary out, which is interesting. Wow. Wow, about that. Come play in this reflective surface roof. Kind of. We play by touch.

And, and yes, it would be like, come play with Chanty Billups, this like, in the grand scheme of things, C level celebrity in professional sports. No offense, Chauncey, I guess, but. Yeah, he's very good of basketball. But then and

In the, like, Vegas and like high stakes poker commuted, I guess these games happened and people were like, oh, this, a lot of people see it as like an easy opportunity to win some money from people who were like worse at poker than them. And then suspicious things started happening. And then poker players who lost money were very like, this is suspicious. I like wouldn't trust this. And then of course, like the reality comes out where it's like if you Google, Jacob, if you Google rigged Shuffler MBA. there is a like poker shuffler that is commonly used it's called like deckmate two or something and they modded it where that you could set the order of the cards like well file and so they it was essentially a stack deck deck deck deckler but the shuffler looks like the legit shuffler dude we're gonna need a deckmate three at this point yeah oh my god that's so complicated well this is because the shuffler itself is like a beautiful piece of machinery they just took off the casing and like modded it. That's just that's so many bits.

Yeah, so this isn't a soft mod. This is a hardware mod. This is a hardware mod. You need to do some soldering here. Yeah, this is a little bit of soldering necessary. The Cheetah's view is really funny. And so in some instances,

it would be like the contacts would allow you to see like markings on the backs of cards. And then the, the poker table X-ray would let you see, you know, whatever. There's just so many. different ways if they were they were cheating um is i don't so is the idea that because i'm not

maybe i'm just like being naive i guess but this isn't like regardless of the the tier that you're playing at you have like obscene wealth right like on really any NBA contract is this pitched in the same way that like some celebrity some celebrities get like roped into uh nfty thing or a coin rugpole where their management or people around them are just like, you should just do this. It makes money. Yeah. I mean, I think it's probably the sort of thing where the payday for the amount of labor involved is just worth it even to someone who made millions playing in the NBA.

I can go make $250,000 for one night to sit with some rich guys. Sure, I'll do that. And the NBA players and just professional athletes love to gamble anyway or they'll like gamble on the team playing and stuff. And sometimes people gamble for very little amounts of money. but it does kind of start to escalate. It's like one of those things. You know, Jordan famously loved to gamble.

Right. Yeah, log me out. Not you. I'm terrified of it. Michael, Jordan. I'm bad at it. I know you can't necessarily be good or bad at much of gambling, but I think I'm abnormally bad at it.

I think I'm bad at it because I am averse to risk. So you're good at gambling? Well, I guess so, but I don't win big because I'm not willing to put a lot on the line. Right. I think it's, you're a coward, and I think that's really virtuous in a way. What's your game? Well, nothing because, I mean, in my opinion, the most fun game in Vegas is craps,

because, or roulette, I guess, but craps more so because you get everyone in on it. Speaking of craps, Donald Trump shit himself. And we all won. The students become the master, which normally I'm the one doing. the segways, but I just, we can continue on this. That's the way you pursued your segways in the best. Yeah, I used to think of myself. Black felt.

We can continue. I just did want to call out that I don't know if we will even end up showing the clip on the show because of how disgusting it might be. I sent Jacob a Instagram reel that shows it, but also gives context from someone who works with dementia patients. Now if you zoom in here, you can tell he sharded himself. It gives context. What is what he's doing.

Have you been privy to this clip at all? No, like I had heard this. I didn't know there was video evidence. So I sent it to Jordan, or I sent it to everyone yesterday. And Jordan was mad that the algorithm failed him. Yeah, I'm starting to feel like not being online. Did you know that Mike McDaniel is the, this guy's, The former coach of the Miami Dolphins is this guy's profile picture for some reason.

Oh. Why? And he's called Epstein. I don't know. Epstein? Epstein. He's going to be the new OC of the Chargers. So I'm kind of stoked about that.

Epistemic crisis. That big word I don't know. You Chargers fan? Not really. I'm like a new newer NFL fan in general. That's what I'm like I watched the NFL and then I was basically, I ignored it for like a decade. Yes. Um, and if being growing up in Southern California, we didn't have a team for, you know,

right most, most of my life. Now you got too many. No, we get the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the rams and the chargers. And I'm like, it feels like the Rams are too good. And I'm already like a shithead Lakers fan. And then also the Dodgers are such a juggernaut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't have a third team that is potentially going to win, compete for

championships consistently. I like the idea of becoming a Chargers fan. Me too. Because I like Justin Herbert a lot. And it's very interesting. They've got character. because you can tell that there's potential, but then, because things could actually be quite good if they protect Justin Herbert. I also have the appeal of like they're kind of a cursed franchise

that doesn't have, they're clearly the number two behind the Rams in the city. So, you know, I don't know. I think that there, I also watched the NFL a decade or more ago because I used to watch, because I grew up in College Town. I grew up in Gainesville Ford and was a big, like, Florida Gators fan. And then I would follow college. athletes when they graduated. And that was really the only thing I knew about the NFL. So it'd be like Tim Tebow went to the Denver Broncos. And I'd be like, okay, well, I'll watch the Broncos. And Philip Rivers was playing in San Diego for the Chargers. And I for some reason, oh, I listened to a lost podcast. And they were fans of the San Diego Chargers. And so I became like a satellite fan of

them as well. So if I was, I guess as far as teams I have an affinity for go, the Chargers are up there. I feel like it's a so common that if you're so flush with college football allegiances a little bit. Sort of, I mean, but this is a thing. Like we were a UCLA household, and UCLA's football program was not, like, USC is just historically so much better. And that's the rival.

So it's just kind of like, well, we'll follow basketball. Bruins and Trojans. Bruins and Trojans, yeah. Hey, look at you. I was a tailgater via my first friends in America. Cole used to take me to tailgate. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that?

First, I got to tell you, man, people trying to, I take it, the most fun of the thing about moving to really anywhere, but especially in other countries, people having to, like, explain things from base principles. But you're just like, so what is, what size is a seat on in the car? They're just like, well, it's on this side. And you, I guess you used, which hand would I change gears? It's, like, fun to watch people kind of, like, start from, like, zygote, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of those was a ball. You ever seen one of these?

I'm like, why is it, like, rounded? What the fuck? But I had a really good experience of having different members of the same family trying to explain what a tailgate was from base principles. Because initially it would be like, well, you go like a football game. I'm like, oh, in the area? No. So you watch it at home? It's like there's small.

I don't really know how to describe a tailgate. You go outside of a drink. It's like, you know when the game's like happening and you're like kind of there? And you're like kind of. It's usually before the game, right? You go and you barbecue in the parking lot. with your friends and family and maybe toss a football around.

Yeah, to practice for the game. You guys need me. You might go to the game, so you might go to the game, but you might not. You might not. And you might just listen on the radio while you eat a hotline. Yeah, we were watching like a little,

like a dentist office style, a little five fork. It's like, I'll put the perfect angle for if you're lying straight back. For Seinfeld. All right, let's watch Trump shit himself. And depending on how nasty this is,

we may not show or let you hear this. It's not too nasty. I'm a physical therapist with a doctor in my field and 14 years experience working in home health care, treating geriatric patients with dementia and incontinence of bowel, like that guy. Are coming up with new opioids faster than the government has been able to keep up. We're going proactive on these new chemicals. That's good. No, you're fantastic things.

Thank you all very much. We really appreciate it a lot. Thank you, Oz. He's going a fantastic gentleman. Thank you all very much. I appreciate it. Thank you, please. Thank you.

And they are swiftly, waffed away, you could say. So, like, you can't really hear much, except a tiny little, you know. You know. Listen, Chloe said he has, listen closely to just after. Right after Trump says, I'm hearing fantastic things. You can hear sharks right in those spots. Me too.

Also, the White House aides are panicking to get the press out. This guy, instead of Sharks, he said Hegseths. That's an epic burn on Pete Hegseth. That's bullying. I won't stand for that. Shout out, epistemic crisis. I really did think it said I've seen crisis for a long time and I feel bad. For a long time, for years.

Yeah, I'll follow you again. Keep playing for a minute. Yeah, yeah. Now, I do want to hear the slowdown. Now, I got sent this video a ton after it started to go viral saying Trump soiled himself. on the couch on Fox News, but I'm pretty sure that's been edited with AI. People kept sending me this most recent clip

and actually took a second to listen to the audio, brother. I keep thinking of the tent peg. You know what I mean? Also, why was Harold Bornstein his personal physician for years when Bornstein was a gastroenterologist, not a primary doctor? Why would you seek out the care

of a gastroenterologist like that unless your primary concerns medically speaking were bowel incontinence? And the second that Bornstein let it slip that Trump uses propitia to fight hair loss. Trump sent the Chief White House counsel and the guy who was nicknamed wet wipes from the set of The Apprentice

down to Bornstein's office to grab all of Trump's medical records. Oh, and Trump has yet to take legal action against Noel Casler, who worked on the set of the apprentice and spilled all the tea about Trump sharding himself on a regular basis. Yeah, they started, I could be wrong,

I believe they started habitually calling the apprentice the shit show because it happened. frequently. This could have been an opportunity for him to humanize himself. Yeah. By the way, epistemology is like curious knowledge. I mean, this is what I would expect as far as bowel control goes for a 78 year old man whose diet consists solely of filet of fishes. It's just like he- A beige diet exclusively. He just, he eats like shit and he doesn't seem to treat his body well at all and he's old as fuck. And that's, and like, and to be honest, it's inspiring

to me because I don't eat the best and he lived for a long time. It continues to live to this day allegedly. And he refuses to exercise because that drains the battery. That's right, yeah. His micromort will run out if he doesn't his mana will be low. Oh my God. I wonder what a micromort

analysis on like an Alex Honnold would be. Because like all of the stuff he does, I feel like he's over like he's past expected value of death. Yeah, he's reaching the end game. This creator also made a video saying like the signs of stroke and saying Trump has probably had had at least one stroke. It's just like not at that exception of the claim, but it's like he's operating on plot armor rules where it's like, no, I couldn't. I'm the main guy.

Yeah. That wouldn't happen to be. But it just makes me like, you know, not to be agist, but why if we have an age minimum for president, why don't we have an age maximum? Oh, yeah. I mean, also, like, I was thinking of, like, Congress term limits and things like that. Yeah. Like, the. Because I feel like with, like, we know that Reagan had dementia.

Yes. Or Alzheimer's one of the other. Not even denied. It's like just the thing that. Yeah. And he was running our country and making decisions. I mean, you know. The stuff of Biden is even more recent.

But yeah. With the diagnoses around that a lot of the time you have to get. a new driver's license. Why the hell are you allowed to like have municipal control over literally anything? Have the nuclear codes? Oh, it's so strange. You could do something like, and this will never happen because we have a gerontocracy, but if there was like a, you pay the maximum age you could have for taking office

for a first or subsequent term as the retirement age. And then it was just like, I don't know, if that was just codified, I feel like, yeah, you'd have a younger, more vigorous Congress and a White House. A virile Congress. That's what we're looking for. Yeah. A nubile congress. No, but I do think there is something to, like, being relevant and being understanding

what your constituency wants, right? Because, like, Nancy Pelosi is clearly not. Also, the difficulty of, yeah, it's just like, no, just everything you said, 100%. Yeah. I don't think I should be, I'm not in a position where I would like, I should be able to make authoritative claims about how schools should be run. Because I haven't been in school for a really fucking long time. It also like incentivizes not the lack of change because when you're an incumbent and if it's a if it's a two party system and you want to retain power, then the all of the inertia is going to be behind the incumbent from the, from the establishment. regardless of like their

bona fides like regardless of their accomplishments because if they can get reelected and it's a shorter path to re-election then they can remain in power rather than having to run a whole new candidate fight a whole new race but then it just consolidates power

in like the same old heads yeah I thought about voting for someone else but I remember that he is the president so he doesn't have to like move or anything I think I mean all that said I do think important to remember that Trump shitting himself is very funny. Yeah.

It's beautiful. Honestly. It's like a sun-soul. Oh wait. Wait. Maybe you can't even actuallyize it, but the heart. Have you guys ever shit yourself? Yeah.

I have. Oh, my God. Of course. All the time. I was in the Peace Corps. I had really bad food poisoning. I... Is that what you were? Is that what you were?

To pick something up. Shit my pants. And it was fucking funny. No one was around. Thank God. But I was down. I was just like, this is, this is hilarious. Like it was, it's like panicking, but then you're like, this is great.

There was a cutoff point. And maybe the last few years where I had to, my pride and my desire to eat whatever I want officially was like, like it was in a proxy war with my international battle system syndrome. And I now officially, I think that the Cold War escalated. to the point where we had to just make a peace treaty and say, okay, I'm just, I guess I just don't have chick-fil-a anymore. I guess that just isn't a part of my life.

Wow. And I have to move on, but. I'm sorry for your loss. No. Saluting in and out as I complain about their fries. Also, I'm trying to find a Trump may have allegedly been shitting here, a clip that I thought I bookmarked. That's such a funny.

But in the meantime, In the meantime. Is this work? Sam Altman is, you know, who's always been beefing with Elon, said, I'm excited to get Elon under oath in April, smiley face. And I'm like, I don't know what lawsuits going on, but that ought to be interesting. I went to Sundance last weekend, saw some movies. Congrats on the nomination, by the way.

Weirdest movie watcher. Everyone voted as you name. They were like, get this. Go out of here. It is freak of moving. No, but it was really fun, but I saw this documentary called The AI Doc, and then there's a colon and a subtitle.

I think it's like how I became an apocalypticist or something like that. It's a bad title, in my opinion. But it was an interesting documentary because this guy had access to, like, everyone who works in AI. Like he, I mean, not everyone because Mark Zuckerberg didn't agree to an interview, but Sam Altman was there. Deminges. In the, what's his name?

Who? Demi. Did you eBay? No. Wait, wait. Kevin Porter. What do they do? So it was like Deep Seek.

Chinese. Open AI. Not Deep Seek. America. Access to the Chinese. It's the Google one. Oh, Gemini. Oh.

Deep mind? Deep mind. Yeah. I think. Oh, so you're talking about all these CEOs. Sindharpa Chai, the Google CEO?

No. He had all these CEOs on there and had the chance. I mean, maybe he didn't have the chance. Maybe they were like, I'll only talk to you if you ask these questions

or like give me the questions in advance. Yeah, it's like a Bill Gates situation. But it was an interesting documentary because he also had all of the AI watchdogs, like the people who are kind of like saying bad stuff is coming. And I thought those people were much more interesting. And Sam Altman was on there and he just was kind of like, yeah, things could go really bad. But we're doing our best to not make it that way.

But the promise of a trillion dollars is so much more enticing than the end of civilization. Right. There's a good matter of real. Between a not in the heart, please. There's a lot of risk here, but what if you could, like, remake friends and you're all the characters? But they would say, like, well, in the future, we'll just have so much abundance because AI's going to solve the power problem. Oh, that's the Elon line, too. And so your kid won't have to work.

The next generation is going to be a painter on the coast of Greece or whatever. It's like, when Elon, when Tesla shareholders greenlit his trillion dollar pay package, which is a real thing that happened recently. And of course, he has to like reach a whole bunch of milestones in order to get access to all of that money. But it's a pay package that's more money than Tesla has ever made in its entire history. He, in the PR for it, he started doing the, well, in the future money, is not even going to matter. Right. Now that I've got a trillion dollars, like,

Like who even needs cash? Dude, what are you going to stop talking about this? Yeah, like I'll give you some money. This trillion dollars is just a formality. The company you were thinking of as anthropic? No, well, they were on there as well, but I'm thinking of Demis Hussabis. He's the CEO of DeepMind Technologies. Did DeepMind spin out of Google?

It did. Yeah, because I don't know if it's still in it. It's almost like there's like two greater surplus of this product that's not nearly as necessary. It's the modern gold rush and the gold is plagiarism. Yeah, it really is just a bunch of people. They're just mining rocks. I just feel like, do you want these? It's laundering plagiarism to where the every man doesn't know that it's plagiarized.

But you can look like a Ghibli character. Dude, where do I sign? I make the whole Scooby-Doo gang, but it's your family and you can do a gyp-jad. It's like you and your yearbook photo. It's like, yeah, but I have a yearbook photo. Well, imagine? Imagine there's another one. Imagine you graduated.

That'll be $90, please. So that's enough of like, fuel. bad stories. Let's check out a feel bad story to wrap things up. This is like the most evil person ever hired a cleaner. Jigsaw hired cleaners. So this note says to our cleaner, we hid 100 mini ducks around the apartment. We do this to ensure a job well done. Please leave all ducks in this jar.

S&J. They said fucking, wait, what are the things in, in Breath of the Wild. Oh, the Korok. Yeah, they gave them the Korok Fetch Quest. The ducks go, beep-a-boop. Yeah, even the game doesn't mean you get all of them.

The game literally says this is too tedious. It is not required. We do not expect people to get all 900 of these or whatever. Yeah, signed by Nintendo. Also, you set this whole shit up and couldn't print a note. They were like, I'll handwrite the fucking post it. Offs away. Well, they think they're being cute.

Right. Which is the most evil people do. Yeah. Who posted this? The cleaner. The cleaner did. Okay. So she's showing where the ducks are hidden.

Oh my God. Behind the spout. You could have hiding these ducks, you could have fucking cleaned yourself. You could vacuum that up, I feel like. I think the thing that was on my mind as I was watching this is I think a lot of people have a strange relationship and expectations. of cleaning, like cleaners. Yeah. I think a lot of people expect to pay very little and everything to be like deep cleaned and spotless.

Like every nook and cranny is. And it's like just like everything else. There is a level of like you get what you pay are paying, literally are paying for. It feels like another example of someone wanting to lord power over someone else and using this as a way, a vector of that. Because like you see it with gig economy stuff where it's like, oh, wow, I guess I'm not leaving you a tip because you didn't follow my. I said do 10 jumping jacks when you drop off the pizza or whatever. This work must not be valuable because it's cheap. Yeah.

Not like they're underpaid. Not like they're underpaid. Not like, yeah. It's a weird entitlement. I genuinely can't understand placing the 100 ducks. That seems like so much work. Yeah. What does the duck mean on the, in the plant?

Are you cleaning the dirt? Are you cleaning the soil? This plant is filthy. Yeah. Oh, my God, there's dirt everywhere. Yeah. So the next TikTok is the cleaner quitting. Oh, good.

Like, I know some cleaners will do, like, varying rates. So it's like, this amount for just a regular clean, this amount for, like, a deep clean. Or this amount for, like, you're moving out kind of clean. Any percent versus 100%. I just don't think. I think it's it you're not in the position to decide what the job is worth because you're not in the market. Yeah. You know, it's like you can find another cleaner if you want, but like haggling someone.

I just, it feels so gross to me. It reminds me of my stepdad who used to, I don't, he doesn't do this anymore. Thank God. He used to do the thing where he's like, here's the tip you're going to get to a server. Here's the tip you're going to get if you do a good job. And it's like a $5 bill and it's like, I got a shiny, I got a shiny Lincoln thing. Would he put the, would he line the ones up and then take them away for a mistake? Oh, that's.

No, that's horrible. Yeah. Wait, that's real? Yeah, there's some nightmare people who do that. That's taking up so much of the table. That is truly like, I'm a little king. Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see if you can follow all of my rules.

It's like, leave. Yeah. Leave the out-bite house. It's really not worth it. You don't get an onion or whatever. It does feel like something where you're, we were talking about this before. It's like, you have a, you have a, tiny amount of power and you're just trying your darned us to like exert that power as best you

can. Is there like something? Maybe it's just like being too like internet poisoned or something. I feel like that couple is doing that to post it also. Maybe. But like, because a number of times we're just like on this show or just in general come across something online that's like they have a reverse ethical relationship with the world, not even politically, but just someone who.

Like, does anybody ever notice that you're not allowed to kiss your Rubber driver, whatever you want? Like, wait, but that just seems obviously wrong. And then they'll proudly post it with. Here's me shaming my Instacart driver. I think there's some. I could see this being something they learned on TikTok. Yeah, that's true. They saw a TikTok that's like a cute way to make sure your cleaner does her.

Unethical life hacks. And then that person who posted that has never. actually done it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're just coming up with conduct. That would be psychotic. Yeah. And then they saw it on TikTok and we're like, we should do that.

But so the cleaner emailed, hi, blank. After finding the no and the ducks today, I want to end the contract. I'm here to do my job professionally, not to play games or be tested. Yeah. If there's a lack of trust in my work, that's totally your choice. But in that case, it's best you find someone else to clean for you. Yeah, good. good for them.

And then the people said. Oh, they responded. Ah, you can't talk to me like that. I'm calling the police. Oh, okay. I honestly thought it would be fun and lighthearted. Just a joke the hubby and I picked up. Picked up.

That's what makes me think. Sure, yeah. Wait, what was the side of? Sorry to you go and all that? Oh, it was all the best. Sorry, so you go or whatever. Fucking scum. That's so.

But just like another example of people like devaluing service workers. This is interesting because one interesting thing about this to me is that it took two people. They put their heads together and both were like, yeah, I'll sign off on this. This would be fun for our cleaner. Yeah. It reminds me of we used to have a trash saga on this podcast where it was like I would keep finding myself in conflicts related to shared trash bins in my apartment. And one time my neighbors, I was out of town and didn't bring in the bins or something. something and they wrote me a passive aggressive letter about how I if I don't think I can handle

the responsibility of like bringing in the bins, then we shouldn't share bins or something like that. And I thought it was like so weak that like two people put their head together. The best thing they could do was like a passive aggressive note. Yeah. And then continued to like leave clothes in our shared laundry and like once we waiting for the note. I wrote like with my, I like, I, with my therapist as my anger translator, wrote them a very nice letter that actually was like a distract, but like in nice words. And we separated our bins and then I took a photo every single time they used my bins. In case they ever came at me again.

It never happened, thankfully. But I was like, I can't believe the gall. Have you ever been a note lever? No, I don't leave notes. I was though a third party in a note back and four. once. So there was a car that was one of those things where there were three spaces clearly on the street. And someone had parked in a way where they were only going to be two spaces. He'd parked like too far back from the red zone. But not enough room to put an actual car. So the person

who parked behind them wrote a note and clearly left a note on their car that said, you have parked thoughtlessly, please do a better job next time. I found this because that I saw that note when I parked in that space after they pulled away. And then later on, the car in front was gone. And that driver apparently had put that note back on my windshield and written on it, pig in all caps. Whoa. She was like, I had nothing to do with this.

That may be a pig run. So it's all we can write. But I don't like, I feel like, I probably wrote a passive aggressive note when I was like living with roommates when I was like 19. Yeah. And then you learn very early on. It's like, oh, actually, it's probably better just have a conversation with somebody.

Right. If I'm going to write a note, I'm not going to be snarky about it. Like, because it's like, sure, note can be useful for like communicating information or passing, hey, wanted to chat about something. Here's my number or something like, because, but. Hey, ding your car, I have to go, but like, I'll pay you.

You know. Like, these guys were like 40 plus. Yeah. And I was like, this is unbelievable to me. But then of course, my, the way my brain works is like, I'm actually going to be a model. citizen now and I'm going to judge them for every infraction they make. But then they proceeded to call our property management company. I would get these like third hand or these like second hand

messages from our property management company. They'd be like, hey, this isn't a complaint, but they said X, Y, Z. And I'm like, wow, their threshold for complaining about stuff is so low because I could have a very long complaint thing that I send about them. But I just don't care that much? It's not what I think some people maybe this is a good example of it. I think some people are operating with different currency because I think some people like doing it. So they're not swallowing the discomfort and cringe of leaving a message. Like if I think about leaving a message like that, it's so incredibly humiliating that no matter how much I might want to do it, I'm just like it's it's I'm inoculated against it. I can't. I would I would blow my fucking head off. But some people

for sure like the experience. It's like, I got them with a little bit. And I'm not going to say it was like internalized racism, but it reminds me of how like black athletes are treated to a different, like held to a different standard when they like show emotion or something like that. Because I was like, is this really like what you're like I, now I'm just relitigating all these like these transgressions that were made. This is an old house.

So you can say the address. Oh yeah, I will. And it was one, two. It was one, two. That was one two. It was the 12th house. I do think that also, like, I live in an apartment building. It's very loud.

And I was talking about this earlier. Instead of complaining about how loud my neighbors are, I recognize that there are there are times I'm probably loud for them. And we're on different schedules. And that's just apartment living. That's my thought. And so instead of complaining to them about how loud they are, I have a fan and noise or white noise machines and stuff like that when I sleep.

And that's how I deal with it. But if someone were to ever complain to me that I'm too loud, I would fucking become a nuclear bomb. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would be so pissed. That's, that's how I felt. So your neighbor's complaining, it's like, we have to live here together. Right. And you are pretending like this is your house.

It's like Jack Shepard said, you know, in his famous speech, you said, if we can't live together, we're going to die alone. Wow. And we have to go back and this is my dad Christian. Yeah, and this is my dad Christian. Remember the show? And I'm seeing him everywhere on the island. I'm a doctor. Look at my tattoo.

I'm a doctor. Look at my tattoo. You'll probably be mad at me. The only episodes of Lost I've seen are the pilot and the series finale. That, honestly, I respect it. It's a lot of time. It's a great pilot. Well, you lost it is great.

And then it was lost with the series finale. But yeah. Well, you were lost. Yeah, because you lost the middle of the show. This seems like a short show. Oh, they got off the island. Nick, thank you. Thank you so much for coming on.

What a hoot. Where can people find you if they want to get more Nick Weiger in their life? Oh, you know, I got a couple podcasts. Oh, boy's a podcast about chain restaurants. It's me and my co-host, Mike Mitchell. I've been doing it for a decade now, which is wild. But yeah, we review different fast food restaurant every week with a fun guest. And I also have a video game podcast called Get Played with my friends Heather Ann Campbell and Matt Upadocca.

You can find them both wherever you listen to things. Hell yeah. You're a musician. You created the monster fuck. Yes, I did create the monster. Well, that was actually the brainchild of Leo Carpott. Friend of yours. And associates.

And a social. Sometimes. There was a moment where there was a kid's Halloween party and the, did you see this? Someone sent me this clip. And I've seen two versions of it. One was a kid's Halloween party. Another was in a school where they were like, and both times it was like we accidentally played,

the teacher forgot to get the clean version of the Monster Mash. Which is the dumbest bit I've ever done that somehow has resonated for many years. Pretty foundational. Me and Anastasia kind of initially connected over a lot of like, a lot of it like early earwolf shows in general. Yeah. And I think one of the reference points has definitely been Monster Fuck and Hollywood

Hepbook. Those are two connective tissue points. Yeah. God bless. We were early fans. And when I met Jarvis, he was like, there's a guy that I work with who knows you from calling into Hollywood Hampton. Literally, all I said was your first name.

And then Jordan said, I just came to this country. I only know one Esthesia in San Francisco. What are the odds? And you were right. You were right. You were right. It was me. A Greek person in California?

I mean, is that even allowed? Thanks, Nick, so much for joining us. We end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry. Boom. We did it. Bab, ba, ba, ba, ba, yeah.

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