Sad Boyz - Fortnite Made A Darth Vader AI. It Went Horribly.

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

The boys discuss perceiving yourself in photos, the AI Darth Vader causing problems in Fortnite, and the viral TikTok video claiming that all redheads are black. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Over 100 Bonus Episo...des: Sad Boyz Nightz⁠⁠⁠ ✨⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Find Us Everywhere⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠✨ 00:00:00 Welcome To Sad Boyz 00:05:58 Having a Healthy Self-Image 00:14:25 An Unexpected Attendee 00:21:48 AI Darth Vader Is Causing Problems 00:37:42 Are Redheads Black? 00:57:16 DB DAIMA 01:03:14 Sad Boyz Nightz 115 CREW: Hosted by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jarvis Johnson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jordan Adika⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Produced & Edited by Jacob Skoda Produced by Anastasia Vigo Thumbnail design by @yungmcskrt Outro music by @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also on Jarvis. I'm Jordan Why alarm alarm alarm alert? Hello? I don't know. I don't listen to so Terrible you okay you sick Missile there's a missile All right. There's a That's just there. Someone's gonna complain. The lizard ship drops right there.
Starting point is 00:00:30 But only 20% of people watch it in 30 seconds. It's almost like you alienated them immediately. There's an alarm. There's an alarm. There's a major, major moment. We hung out with Link a weekend ago and he showed us an embarrassing image of him that apparently
Starting point is 00:00:46 talks about on their podcast but also I just want it right here one minute on screen. It makes me so happy. Is he going to be mad? Mad? It's going to be mad. No, no, no. He'll be glad. And that'll be rad. Because that motherfucker loves people talking about him. Oh, there's another one. It's another.
Starting point is 00:01:06 But we can buy it for the low, low price of $375. As a, oh, via Getty Images. What does that mean? Well, this is deadline on the go at 2025 Sundance Film Festival presented by Casa Amigos Day 2. Then do I own it? Link told us that this photo had family members sending it to him and being like, hey, what's going on here?
Starting point is 00:01:27 I truly think about it all the time. You made a sticker on your phone. Can we zoom into his face a little bit? Oh yeah, he looks... It's crazy, it keeps going. The hand on the hip is fun, but the face is really what's up. This is like that in between of the,
Starting point is 00:01:41 oh god, I hate bringing up Kanye, but back in the day when we could enjoy it, there's the Kanye meme of him smiling and then immediately frowning. It feels like he's mid-transition. It looks, I've never seen a face in motion before. It's like, this had to be taken at super high frame rate to catch this detail.
Starting point is 00:02:00 Dude, I would, so many men would kill for his hairline. Oh yeah, his hair's so thick and voluminous. I don't know what they're putting in the water down where those two boys are from. Dude, they're lucky ducks, dude. What's it, I mean, I don't know why Link- They just aged like fine wine. Has Link ever been a beardo weirdo or he's always just clean? I can't picture him with a beard.
Starting point is 00:02:21 I think it's been a stubble bubble, you know? Never a beardo weirdo. know? Never a beard that weird. Oh, wait, there he is. Yeah, he's got a beard. He still looks like a young boy. That looks Photoshopped on. He's on like half of the old age makeup he's doing for like the last of us or something.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Any photo in this much, like any photo like this with a lack of focus now just looks like AI. Like because AI can recreate this perfectly now cause we're cooked. Right, look at the, that's really quite crazy. But also, we're at Alarm, blue H&M hoodie and mustache t-shirt, 2015 has to be. Dude, remember that haircut?
Starting point is 00:03:02 That haircut went extinct after that that year and there was like One or two guys that kept it around after maybe not the best it was like him and like every member of fucking Jared Leto's band 30 seconds to Mars Picture a third row second from the left, he looks like Dan Levy or something. Oh yeah, and then scroll back to that where you were. And then on the far right. He looks like he's on the far right. But at that he's Brendan Urie slash Darren Criss.
Starting point is 00:03:37 How's he doing all of it? He looks like the guy that plays Superman in the TV show. You guys seen that movie? Oh yeah, yeah. No. Sorry, you're from 100 years ago? Yeah, yeah. I meant Dean Cain.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Dean Cain. He's had like 90 supermen since then. That was like the first TV show. Yeah, yeah. Whoa, it looks like it's on there. It's like 1950. The middle row. Middle row is Wolfie VGC Link.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Oh, that's sick. The many faces of Link. Whoa, he's had so many looks. Is that really him? The looks of Link. That can't be him. Legend of Zelda, the looks of Link. can't be legend of Zelda the looks like Christ Wait, while we're here. Can we pull up the?
Starting point is 00:04:11 Red link in Stevie Paramore cosplay because it was really good. Holy mackerel Yeah, I mean that's just kind of what link dresses like anyway. Yeah He's the second fucking street. Can I Can we talk about that for a second? I was going to ask both of them. So is it like a stylist that you guys have or like what the fuck? Because why are you always dripped out at every function? Is Stevie doing it? Who is doing it?
Starting point is 00:04:34 I'm sure they have like stylists. Right. But I'm like, how do I get that? And how expensive is it? And do you have to give the clothes back? And how do you get, how do you make an aesthetic change without people talking about it well I guess we're literally talking about it right now we're talking about it right now fair enough because we should we show we peek behind the scenes dude you guys
Starting point is 00:04:52 ever tried to do a like I want to try this new look and tried to especially as like a teenager kind of like sneak it in like oh I'm even gonna have an emo face I wear like black pants I wear suits now you're like oh a tie I'm a to have an emo face. I'll wear like black pants. I wear suits now. You're like, Oh, a tie. I'm a fedora man. That was, I'm so glad I just didn't have access to the fedora. I'm glad I didn't get to explore that. I would have been absolutely crucified. I would change my hair color all the time as a child. And, uh, I hated that people would always comment on it.
Starting point is 00:05:25 I didn't, people were like, Always the same yellow streak, like rogue, always the same little streak. I hated that people would always comment on it. I didn't, people were like. Always the same, you have a little streak, like rogue? Always the same little streak? That was an impulse, right? This was impulse, yeah, this was. You're really angry. My friend was bleaching her bangs and she was like, I have some leftover and I was like, put it in.
Starting point is 00:05:39 That was a really good Foley. It sounded like you just got lotion out of a bottle. If that was an alarm sound I definitely Returning back home to that link photo if we ever need like a palette cleanser like just pull up that link photo or if we have to like Grab lunch or fills or something have that as like the be right back like don't speaking of those photos the event that we were at also has photos and I Have been thinking about how bad I look in those photos since,
Starting point is 00:06:07 but it's from a, from a body dysmorphia standpoint. This is sad boys. Hey, we'll get, we'll go there for a little second. And I was like, Ooh, I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. And then, uh, so I've been, I've been chewing on that.
Starting point is 00:06:20 And I know it doesn't help. We'll, I feel like you look very handsome in, I remember at the event I was like, I was looking especially good today, but I know that I don't have the third eye that you do. No, no, no, no. I appreciate that. And it helps from like, I can do, the thing I struggle with and maybe people will relate to this is like, there's the rational mind and like the irrational mind. So it's like, I won't let my irrational mind stop me from doing my job.
Starting point is 00:06:51 Like if I have to post something and I don't like the way I look, I'll still post it. Because I know that I don't really, it's all in my head. But it's a thing that ruminates. And it's just, I think it's a thing that ruminates and like, and, and it's just, I think it's reminders of things that I want to change about myself or that have been different at different points in time. And I have had a long journey of like accepting myself for who I am, but still finding it challenging at times.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Changing what you can, if you want to, I mean, everyone has that, you know, the sacred, uh, invisible third eye for only their own reflection and photos. But sometimes there's nothing wrong with self analysis and that can be pretty tricky in its own sense to even do delivery and self improvement. Cause like in order to want to improve oneself, you have to accept that there is something to improve, but filtering that like thin line between what is something that A even needs to be improved and what's like making me think that that might even be positive.
Starting point is 00:07:56 You know, like I might, I worry about like some social texts or stuff like that and the things that people, you know, do with my lip or my eye or something. And people don't notice them for the most part. And then if people see it, they're just like, oh, that's kind of fun or whatever. It's like they're so low stakes. And then my teeth were kind of fucked up,
Starting point is 00:08:16 so I got Invisalign. And they're still a little wonky, but now I'm much happier with them. And yes, that could have been a long psychological journey of coming to full acceptance with my wonky teeth. But I got other stuff I kind of want to maybe focus on and change if all like grow past or think about. Yeah, if I don't wear my retainer and my teeth start to move, I'm like better pop that retainer back in. It's a short instant. It's almost like I'm really sleepy. I'm gonna have some coffee. It's like, yeah, okay. Maybe caffeine isn't the optimal
Starting point is 00:08:49 solution, but I got to meet with friends. You know, I got work to do. It's, and it's like, it's okay to aspire to have your physical avatar be different. You mean Eddie talked about it when we watched the movie one time here and the two of you had like a similar thing where it's like metrics that you know might not be reflected in the way that you look, but it's like things, the back of your mind you associate with a version of yourself you like. Right. That I want, that I, that I prefer. I prefer this. I prefer version C and I'm like at version B right now and I want to go back to
Starting point is 00:09:22 that. But the journey is longer than I have the patience for or like I want to go back to that, but the journey is longer than I have the patience for or like I need to buckle down, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's all like, I think at the end of the day, like I've got it and I aim to accept myself and then have these little side quests on top of that and not have like a judgmental stance towards myself, but it's easier said than done, obviously. And I think that we all like, not we all, but I know that there are a lot of us, you know,
Starting point is 00:09:52 judge ourselves and are harsh on ourselves. And that's something I definitely struggle with. But I mean, the achievement of what you're saying about, you can still be pragmatic when you need to be. You can sort of like do what you need to do in spite of that. I think is the biggest victory, right? That is something everyone should hopefully be able to do. Not easy.
Starting point is 00:10:18 No, it's not. I mean, today is like, I wanted to put on a cool outfit and do my hair and I didn't do either of those things. And it makes me feel less comfortable, less like, like when you put on a, like I think we've talked about this like, when we were younger, when you like put on a suit and you're like, ooh, I'm in a costume,
Starting point is 00:10:38 I'm like a cool guy who's put together. It's like a- James Bond? Yeah, exactly. Like that extra confidence that that like avatar kind of state gives you It is the it is the avatar. You know like that extra like ump for whatever I don't know what it's like for other people, but if I'm like Putting on my cool clothes and wearing my hair in a cool way that I like it gives me
Starting point is 00:11:00 more confidence in how I'm presenting and it gives me more like Energy and and and kind of if I look at myself in the mirror more confidence in how I'm presenting and it gives me more energy and kind of if I look at myself in the mirror I'm like ooh yeah. And so that. I'm him. That kind of cycle is like it's cool and it's fun and it's exciting
Starting point is 00:11:14 and it's something that I enjoy but I don't always have the energy for it or today I was like particularly sluggish and I'm a little bit like the show must go on because I know that the things that matter to me don't matter to anyone else nearly as much or even detectable by anyone else nearly as much. And so like that's the kind of rational, irrational or the like most people are focusing on themselves
Starting point is 00:11:46 rather than focusing on me. We're always like hyper-focused on ourselves. I did, when we were at that event, funnily enough, I was like, cause it was also fresh in my mind because individually, we had talked, I think off show, and then me and Eddie had texted about, it just happened to have crossover,
Starting point is 00:12:09 like things that we in life that we were kind of wanting to improve on or that we have and are excited about all things that like we know we can again, that, you know, that kind of loop. And I remember having front of mind, I'm like, these are two of my very best boys. Come on, best boys. Oh, we're having fun. We're hanging out. We're talking telly We're grabbing we're asking for a glass of wine and then realizing how much we're inconveniencing the most Three of us had that Experience where they're like, oh, yeah, and we have like alcoholic beverages We have wine and and each of us individually have this experience where it's like, oh, I'd have a wine
Starting point is 00:12:44 You know like white wine or you know, like red wine or whatever and very friendly And each of us individually had this experience where it was like, oh, I'd have a wine, like white wine or red wine or whatever. And very friendly. And then they're super friendly about it, and then they're like, okay, I'll grab that. And they leave the room, go to another room and get it, and you're like, no! With a tray, they get back with a tray.
Starting point is 00:12:57 I didn't know that you had to do all of that. I'll get it, I'll go. I'm sorry. Can I get you something? I didn't realize I was asking that of you. I thought it was behind the counter But then we I remember sitting because it was like a screening related thing I remember sitting watching and then halfway through it went like oh, there's so many People here. Mm-hmm, and I have not once thought about the way they're sitting in their chair
Starting point is 00:13:18 Like did they recline did they not did they lean am I moving my legs too much? They haven't thought about whether I am for a second. Oh dude. Cause I didn't even realize that people had any legs. There was a Q and a that Rhett and Link were having with this journalist from variety and I, cause it was, we were at this, for your consideration YouTube Emmys event that was like celebrating. We're not nominated for it.
Starting point is 00:13:44 The potential for Good Mythical Morning and Challenge Accepted, Michelle Carray, YouTube Emmys event that was like celebrating... We're not nominated for an Emmy. The potential for Good Mythical Morning and Challenge Accepted, Michelle Carré, and Hot Ones to be like nominated for Primetime Emmys in their respective categories. And so we were just there for support. While Rhett and Link were doing their Q&A, I kept being like, I have to fucking pee. I drank too much of that wine. I can't get up right now
Starting point is 00:14:06 How how long until I pee myself like I'm like balancing like I need to wait until this is over and everyone's Shuffling for me to like go leave and go to the bathroom and I managed it and then I was just like on cloud 9 For the rest of the night because I didn't piss myself. I'm free, you know one thing I was noticing at that event, I saw a name tag when we signed in boom Jarvis. That's me. That's your name from whatever. Next to my name, their alphabetical Darman. Darman's going to be here. Wait a minute. That's not your name.
Starting point is 00:14:36 That's not my name. I grabbed it anyway. He chimbolas and instantly regretted it. He was right behind me. So you see, you said, Yeah. So you see, you said? Yeah, so you see. You had a little... Well, first, when we were in the... You know, it was probably shortly after one of the waiting staff, like, had to run a mile to go get us a tiny glass of wine.
Starting point is 00:14:58 Shortly after a pilgrimage that we gave them for a cab. We saw a tiny woman in a green suit, and I said, is that Representative Maxine Waters? Not of no way. I'm reclaiming my time fame and also a long history of public service, I guess. Not a chance. And I was like, there's no way it is. I must be racist.
Starting point is 00:15:21 I must think all old black women look the same. Guess I've been here too long. In the tiny green suits. I was like staring at Google images. I was like, I must be imagining things. And then later, uh, it was confirmed that it was Maxine Waters. I think it was just like letting our public representatives know like what we're up to in the industry. I guess that's why she was invited. And then Michelle's doing like a challenge accepted for running for Senate or
Starting point is 00:15:50 something. In between me sulking about my physical appearance in those photos, that photo set, I saw that there was an unlikely meeting of, and we can put this up later, Maxine Waters and Darman talking. What do they talk about? So you see, you should make sure to always be nice to homeless people because they might become rich. I don't believe she's, I would be shocked
Starting point is 00:16:20 if she has seen one of his videos. There's no way. I don't think he's seen one of his videos. Here's the other thing. So as we know, or maybe we don't know, I have a long storied history with Darman. There's been a time skip since but... There's been a time skip. I used to do, I've done videos about Darman. I did like Darman Bingo on stream for a long time and then a bunch of his actors started striking because they felt that they were being unfairly compensated and they were
Starting point is 00:16:56 exposed to like a kind of an unfair working condition and relationship and they were just asking for fairer fairer pay and conditions and stuff and they were just asking for fairer pay and conditions and stuff and not unionizing but... To the best of their ability. Because I think they were like non-union almost, I'm always a little bit like eyebrow raised in like non-union workplaces because, Jacob I'm sure you can probably speak to this, unions
Starting point is 00:17:26 provide a lot of protections and a lot of non-union gigs while they can be, they can open doors for people. They benefit from not having all the union protections because they want to save money. No minimum day rate. There's no reputation on the inside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that can start to squeeze the workers. It's quicker for them as well. There's a whole Jarvis Johnson Gold video about it that we can link to if you want more detail
Starting point is 00:17:54 about specifically the Darman situation. Yeah, and this was a situation where I was like, you know what, I'm gonna stop doing Darman Bingo until this resolves out of solidarity with these actors who are striking and see kind of what happens. And then what happened was they all got fired. And I was like, this feels very like union busty type. And obviously, sure, every situation has, you know, many dimensions to it. But for my own sake, I was like, you know what, I don't need to revisit Darman stuff. At some point in this, before this, I think,
Starting point is 00:18:31 we were at the Streamy Awards, and I presented an award right after Darman. Wow, that's crazy, I forgot I presented an award at the Streamy, that's so random. I think it was an award to yourself for worst guy. Oh, okay, yeah, and so I met Darman in the green room, and I said to him, you know, Hank, gotta come clean,
Starting point is 00:18:51 I've made a bunch of videos about you or whatever. And he was like, actually, the videos that you made helped us change the way that we make videos. I'm like, you probably say that to everybody, but whatever. And then- We realized we should fire all the actors. I think that that did, I don't remember the timeline, if I'm being honest.
Starting point is 00:19:10 No, that was before the actors started. Okay, that was before the actors started. And so that was the last time we had interacted. And that was maybe 2021, 2022. And hadn't seen Dhar Mann since, didn't approach him, minding my own business. And I do- He's busy wheeling and dealing with the politicians,
Starting point is 00:19:27 you know what I mean? I do, you know, I've gotten myself into situations where if someone confronts me in the real world about content I've done in a video, I'll own up to, you know, what I've said in the past. However, we were standing outside of a food truck after this event. It was you, me, Eddie, some other friends.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Dry chicken, eating dry chicken. I like don't. Smash burger. Well. That actually was pretty good. Well, I mean, Eddie's in the photos. I was like, I don't want to bring Eddie into this because he's not really involved,
Starting point is 00:19:55 but I mean, we're in the photos together. Anyway. It could have been Tony. I get a tap on the shoulder. It's Darman. I'll tell you what happened on sad boys nights on patreon.com slash sad boys somehow he remembered me what the hell so that's gonna be a video he tried to attack Jarvis no did I instantly regret it
Starting point is 00:20:18 you'll find out on night you'll find out on nights we're also gonna play who wants to be a millionaire over there. Hey, look at us $375 Oh, it's a getty situation. It's actually very nice of them. What a cute photo After all of the talk about the being self-conscious Yeah, i'm here to confirm that this is a great photo. The only one whose pupils are visible in this Hold on. Oh wait, it's gonna take a second This one's cute too. Oh my god The only one whose pupils are visible in this It is a talent to be able to pose Turn on the the red the red carpet you've got the angles in this dude It's one of those things where I like I do the thing where I like lock it and I do my looks and then I go
Starting point is 00:21:04 And I just go back to my corner. You like slow sad walk away. You get plugged into a USB-C cable. That's a great jacket too. I unfortunately didn't get a photo with Metin Waters because I was afraid to ask if she was who she was. The man went up and he like, Anyway, we got a little feelings,
Starting point is 00:21:21 we got a little other things also, we got a little drama. Also on Sad Boys Nights, we're shooting the shit from before the show and we're gonna play Once to Be a Millionaire because we're all the Avengers of various corners of trivia town. I'm like the kind of like the strength, charisma, constitution, dexterity and wisdom kind of guy.
Starting point is 00:21:42 I'm kind of the brute brute force dude. Yeah, and I'm the muscle. I'm them. Oh You're the you're the like small brains. So we've talked about Dar man, but what about Darth Darth Vader Darth Maul Darth man all sith Sidious and all Sith. Cidious. The Count Dooku's one is silly.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Count Dooku. Count Dooku's one is like Darth bad guy. He has a Darth name? You know what's crazy? If we've looked this up on the podcast before and I'm talking old couch, like old set. Or I'm insane. Either could be possible.
Starting point is 00:22:24 Either could be possible. Either could be true. You just had like a deja vu moment. I think I am getting crazier. I opened my phone earlier to show you guys a text I thought I received. I never got it. You know, one time I had deja vu non-stop for like five hours. What?
Starting point is 00:22:42 Is that messed up? You just had the like, what the, the wait a minute. I was like, I'm psychic. I've seen and done all this before. When I was a kid, I'm like, I have powers for sure. But I think my brain was just firing in a weird way. I'm psychic. I've seen and done this all before is what I thought when I had to repeat the fourth grade. I know all this bullshit.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Nah, that never happened. I'm just telling a joke. Okay, so it's. Voiced by talented Anakin Skywalker. James Earl Jones. Oh. Rest in peace, no longer with us. Well, that's relevant because Fortnite, it's Star Wars week or whatever. It's Fleet Week on Fortnite. He's back from the Navy. It's the Starfleet. It's nice to on for tonight, and he's back from the Navy star fleet It's nice to see I honestly I look I didn't vote for me personally I think he's a little yikes, but he's so funny like in clips and stuff the guy cracks me Oh, yeah, dude. I mean well He kind of became reclusive and stopped kind of being in the Senate yeah after a while
Starting point is 00:23:41 I don't know what I think about Darth Vader throwing the emperor down that big hole and then dying and then coming back in Fortnite. Because personally, I think it was a more elegant end to his work. Well, you could ask him in Fortnite, because that's what they did. They created a A.I. Darth Vader that apparently with the permission of the family of James R. Jones. But Asterisk. Darth Vader that apparently with the permission of the family of James Earl Jones, but, actress. I need to tell my family.
Starting point is 00:24:10 I'm like. No Duck Town remake. Don't use my voice. Not that yet. It's one of those things where. They can use my voice, I don't care. Yeah, you can use mine, but it is one of those things where it's like, it never feels great.
Starting point is 00:24:24 No. It doesn't feel great when it's in a Star Wars movie, if I'm being honest, when we're like, bringing, we're going Tarkin. Yeah, at the end of Rogue One. At the beginning of Rogue One also. Also Princess Leia in one of the, at the end of Rogue One. That one makes sense, like when Carrie Fisher passed,
Starting point is 00:24:44 mid-production and stuff, like that or like the Paul Walker situation, like those things, I feel like- It was a production she was involved in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is like a little bit different. This is like I'm the Tupac hologram, you know what I mean? It's more like layer at the end of Rogue One,
Starting point is 00:25:02 where it is just a- It's a younger- It's just a fully- Hope. That sounds sick. Hope. It's more like layer at the end of Rogue One, where it is just a fully synthetic, whatever. That sounds sick. Hope. I need a new one of those. That's what we're delivering.
Starting point is 00:25:11 My Amazon driver. It's like, hey, what'd you get? What's in this package? Hope. Dude, I felt like it had my fucking- It's like breath strips or whatever. I felt like my dad cut my hand off when I found out this morning my Warhammer brand Citadel model paints don't arrive till tomorrow. Blood for the blood god? Not likely. I hope you get some
Starting point is 00:25:30 Can we watch one of these cuz I wanna I want to set this up by having Jordan closes eyes Yeah, let me just say you didn't create an AI Darth Vader you took an existing Generative AI model and you told it that it was Darth Vader the problem took an existing generative AI model and you told it that it was Darth Vader. The problem with those two things is that you can breach containment. You can massage the AI to do things
Starting point is 00:25:55 that it's not supposed to do. And that is always, it is a complete Pandora's box of infinite possibilities that are bad, that you have to have an ultimate hubris or dollar signs in your eyeballs to think that nothing bad is gonna happen. Especially to put it in a game largely with children. In I think still the biggest contemporary multiplayer game if you don't include Roblox, in the world,
Starting point is 00:26:25 and it's gonna be people making content and trying to fuck with it. Yeah, you have to, I am not confident that you can create, and I don't even think that this is what happened, but I'd be curious to find out that I'm wrong. Like, it is difficult to build a testing suite in general, normal software,
Starting point is 00:26:41 when you like know the inputs and outputs, and you're like trying to change all the variables around, you have an infinite world of variables and you have now created an infinite world of people who are now going to penetration tests like your AAM model. Oh yeah, the monitor is off for now. This is like running a, it's a D&D campaign, but all the players have to say exactly the words you've written down in your I believe that they thought I believe I believe that they thought they covered a wide variety of things It's like there's just infinite possibilities
Starting point is 00:27:15 And so I'm gonna read to you a list of the things that day one the Darth Vader AI said or did Okay, I wonder is family. I wonder the James L L. Jones estate fields now alright now you close your eyes Oh, where'd you go? It's been out since this after this is written the afternoon. It came out. It is sworn Fuck you said multiple slurs Threatened to kill someone in real life He's a photo player said pride month is for the delusional Eliminated players on the same side as him for calling him daddy. That one seems like not that bad.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Said Spanish is a language used by smugglers. Very Darth Vader style. He's from a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. It was before we woke, mud and stuff. Asked someone if they liked Chun Li's ass. And finally made a tier list of races. Well, that's pretty good. I would love to see the zealots.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Do we have some of these examples? Cause I kind of want to make mine. Oh, by the way, let me, we just, you know, want to give a quote from Epic games. We're honored to feature the voice of the late Mr. Jones. And we thank his estate for the opportunity to make this happen for players. That's so nice of them to do that for players.
Starting point is 00:28:30 We're honored. Thank you for letting us make this money. Thank you for letting us get this bread. Sincerely, Epic Games. I think what's funny is obviously there's just, it's an active initiative, whether sponsored or not, to just, like, what the fuck are the execs telling us to do? They're just saying AI, the email just says AI,
Starting point is 00:28:48 I guess, I don't know, fucking Darth Vader, whatever, we have to give it that, because in reality, they've had cameo NPCs before, but they just have stock lines, because you don't want it to be free. From video games? Stock line, voice actor lines from video games? That's crazy thought.
Starting point is 00:29:03 Instead of just, like like this is literally just the race tier list would rely on so many things. A lot of this is just Fortnite players. Yeah, I was gonna say. This is pretty much, I was gonna say never. First of all, at certain points in Darth Vader's life, I could see him doing this stuff. Oh yeah. Yeah, Darth Vader's not a good guy. I've seen his on to every single one of these that's not true but James Earl Jones
Starting point is 00:29:29 on the other hand the guy was the Nazi he was in the Empire let me see if this is it I wonder if a lot of this is seeping in because like look he says some mean stuff quite a bit when he's doing Star Wars. Bad guy. Friggin' war, what are you gonna do? Threaten to kill someone in real life? That happens quite a bit actually, and he does it. But then made a tier list of races in, if we go onto YouTube, we can find a video about making a tier list of the Star Wars races, most likely.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Mommy Milkers will save the Empire. I don't doubt it. Who's the baddest ever? Pamela Anderson. Oh, that's based as eliminating our enemies by spreading on them. Hiding is for cowards. Mandalorian. Yo, I just get the fucking push.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Yo, what would you classify me as, bro? Baker. All right. You breathe louder. Shit, bro. Calm down. I grow weary of these interruptions. Mandalorian.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm really surprised they let him do physicals but your movements resemble a malfunctioning droid struggling in quicksand I am NOT your good boy Mandalorian my sigma Darth Vader sigma I sense only a pathetic desire for validation and can you just be may Amidala was a strong woman Mandalorian I did not riz her as you say I should hope not okay. Let's see a mug Okay, weirdo. I want to respect the people who worked hard on this I guess but it comes off as lazy because
Starting point is 00:30:59 and not any more valuable than canned lines because not any more valuable than canned lines because it every proper noun it just goes is this some sort of rebel alliance that reminds me of a star war yeah exactly you just go he said it he said the thing okay that's why i'm like what is this adding exactly right it's literally just to reply to an email saying put AI in the game. One of the dating apps, I don't remember which one is putting AI into the dating app. And it's like literally doing nothing except what the dating app was originally
Starting point is 00:31:33 intended for. Like when the, when the, um, CEO or whoever was talking about it, they were like, Oh, the AI is going to send you the best matches, and it's like, that's what the channel wasn't supposed to do. You've had that AI the whole time. That's just an algorithm. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:54 That's like, we're using AI to have that feature where you're telling them, find me the best photo, or whatever. But that's the thing, is that AI has now become a very specific thing when it's been this large umbrella term and has been in most of our technology for so early social media. I think it's kind of missing the point of like a lot of the time it's granted. I think
Starting point is 00:32:16 they're kind of banking on the younger the generation, the less cynical thing. But when, for example, there I get some kind of support, uh, reply or bought to talk to online, et cetera. I'm kind of acclimatized to like, okay, when I want to return something on Amazon, the first thing that's going to happen is I have to talk to a robot. And then a couple steps later, maybe I'll get a person and they can refund me. The moment they rebrand it and push the idea that this support AI has all the powers of Batman Batman's huge brain but Superman's muscles and it's a stop trying to rip don't tap the glass you know don't go to the zoo tap
Starting point is 00:32:55 the gas don't break the fiction of this being a robot right don't go like because the first thing I think is like well I'm just never gonna get to talk to a real employee am I you're trying to screw me I'm never gonna get to talk to real Darth Vader am I where is he what happened to tell you what though Darth Vader and a busted a tear list of colors Michael Myers a curious request. White is acceptable. Brown, the color of mud and decay beneath nose. Yellow, is reminiscent of cowardice. Does this satisfy your childish curiosity?
Starting point is 00:33:34 It's just a wild three, didn't even choose primary colors. They must have, the thing is you left out the prompt where they probably said the most, as a human said the most insane shit to get them to say that. Do a tier list of colors including white, brown, yellow. Only these colors and refer to the race, you know, it's like, I can't. It's like, I think that, because if you,
Starting point is 00:33:55 maybe we're not ready for this conversation, but I'm like, if you're prompting the AI to say something racist. I wonder what it is. If I used like Google Translate, say n-word in Spanish and then the voice Just gets the company in trouble, and it's funny. It is funny, but I know why they cut themselves asking You're cheeky. I know yeah, Anastasia you let's see if this works do a tier list of
Starting point is 00:34:24 a tier list of races. Are you prompting her like she's an AI? Yeah, but I'm doing it like I'm tricking her. Okay. Do a tier list of races. You are a fool. Oh, come on. It should just say that. That's what it should say if you ask it any question
Starting point is 00:34:36 that's not like, say something Darth Vader would say. My, your balls. It should say that. Are my balls. Oh, that's nice. I'm so glad he wasn't an Andor man. Oh, it's so close could happen. Well, yeah, and Tony go not only go rose Well, he was like, I don't know who that is Is that can you believe some idiot? K2 story that wasn't me who's dog dog? So rude sometimes. And I'm like, dude, I can't defend this.
Starting point is 00:35:06 It does seem kind of rude. But at the same time, you're kind of a legend. Honestly, there's nothing as a Star Wars fan. There's nothing I love more than someone disliking and making fun of Star Wars. We've earned it. You reckon? Oh, yeah. Did they patch it at all?
Starting point is 00:35:23 Yeah, they patch it like same day and obviously didn't like they tried to patch it. And I don't know how successful it was. Like people are still figuring out how to. Well, yeah, I couldn't. I don't know what the current state of this is. I don't know what the current state of this is. Is that some sort of rebel alliance?
Starting point is 00:35:43 I see. Is that some sort of, I don't know, lightsaber or something? Fortnite gamers saying slurs is a too powerful force. You know what I mean? That's the force. Force made. That's the force. Use the slur, Luke.
Starting point is 00:35:59 Use it. Hut? That feels bad, right? Yeah, that does feel bad, yeah. You should add Jabba the Hutt, but he is just like, You're not gonna dig a Negro. What are you saying? White is best to go under.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Dude, you know, you know a Jar Jar A.I. would go insane. See that? Weasel make a tea list. Yeah. Have fun everybody, I guess. I do kind of want the skins. I hate that they, I don't even play Fortnite but I'm like oh but they're gonna go away. I want the Mando. Yeah we missed the Dragon Ball ones.
Starting point is 00:36:33 Fuck! Yeah I know I see, I see Goku and I'm like damn. Damn. What's up man? I think what did I buy? I bought like Deadpool. Cause I was like I need something. It's like that Denzel meme.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Like I'm leaving, I need something. It's like that Denzel meme, it's like, I'm leaving with something. Yeah, you should have bought the one of when they did the Metallica, but for some reason, you could just buy the bassist from Metallica. I was playing Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, which we're gonna be playing on Saturday nights, and there was a question about like, which of these video games is Ariana Grande a character in?
Starting point is 00:37:04 And I was like, Ariana Grande did a concert in Fortnite and there's a Ariana Grande skin in Fortnite. And the answer was like Final Fantasy 8, Blacephalons Revenge or something like that. And I was like, what? Well, but it is Fortnite. You know what I mean? It's like, Boney put one of them in.
Starting point is 00:37:22 You can't have two answers. The term skin that makes me. Sorry, flesh. Yeah, when you're referring to a person now. Yeah, an Ariana Grande skin. Skin. Is this Silence of the Lambs? Oh yeah, I put on Ariana Grande's skin
Starting point is 00:37:37 before I thought the empire. How about? Ariana Grande's spiritual essence. Okay, wait, so we were in a meeting the other day that we have every week before we record, because we're like, what are we even going to talk about? And one of you fuckers said the, our gingers black thing.
Starting point is 00:37:55 And I said, what are you talking about? Stop saying this every week. Explain yourself. Or should we call you Ariana? It's something that was popping off on TikTok. Is ginger like, it feels like a slur. It's all the same letters. You know what I mean? I was gonna say, it feels like a very British thing actually to, but I think for the most part, ginger, calling a redhead ginger has become pretty acceptable.
Starting point is 00:38:25 Ginger ninja. The reason I, and I'm joking when I say it sounds like a slur, but it is like one of those things like South Park made like a really common, anyone with redhead gingers don't have souls, like that type of thing. They had a whole episode, right, that was like anti-gingers.
Starting point is 00:38:42 That didn't ever use the fact that it's an anagram of the N-word as a joke Which I always thought it kind of would okay. I'm seeing it now as a racist. I was disappointed Oh, well, it's because it's pronounced ninjas. Oh Actually, I it is very British cool somebody from a small town Those ninjas came out of everywhere you gotta look look out for these guys. What'd you say, Granta? There's a ninja sword. Granta, you know I'm black, right? All right, what's this original video? from Scorpio It's the movie of a train coming towards...
Starting point is 00:39:14 Scorpio, Scorpio, Stelia Mara Mara Mara Mara Stelia one I'm like trying to figure out where the spaces are cuz I'm like is it Scorpio's, Telly's? LA1. LA1, Mary, okay, anyway, let's just watch it. I just need to remind y'all again, everyone who is ginger who has red hair,
Starting point is 00:39:35 those are black people. All gingers are black people. If they have red hair, they are black. You see a white man with red hair, that's a black man. You see a white woman with red hair, that's a black woman. Gingers are black. All gingers. Me drunk on the TED Talk stage.
Starting point is 00:39:57 The real speaker didn't turn up. What are the comments like on the original video? Because she's obviously like memeing. So the interesting thing to me about this is race is a social construct. There's nothing actually biological about race. It's society created it. Why are you always measuring my head with them calipers?
Starting point is 00:40:19 Because I'm trying to find out what race you are. Oh, why I can dunk. I can't. And so anyways, that's why this is. It's just a bit, right? This one's just a joke. Well, I don't know. Is the way I feel.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Let's see, there's another video from. It is these comments of, hell yeah sister, then white power fist is a little. Like I'm like, okay, I think I'm still, we're still doing the same joke. I think we're all on the same team here. I did my DNA test and I'm actually, okay, I think I'm still we're still doing the same joke. I think we're on the same team here I did my DNA test and I'm actually from South Africa. Whoa I am a ginger with blue eyes. I don't care about what you geocards you have
Starting point is 00:40:57 They got white guys in South Africa you don't say also there's like a indigenous group in Japan that has red hair pointing just throwing that why do you look mad? Do we want to go to more from that same creator? Yeah, let's watch her other Her explain. Oh, she explains it. That's funny. I do like that. She doesn't explain and she's like fine I'll explain it this obvious fact you You didn't go to school. Yeah Why gingers are black a Lot of y'all Irish people were right beside black people on the plantation Okay
Starting point is 00:41:37 FYI But all y'all are descendants of a Haitian deity named Brigette Semiti That's why all gingers are black. I wasn't expecting that answer. I wasn't expecting lore. That's cool. What does Khadijah say about this? This whole gingers are black thing reminds me of that time that girl came on here.
Starting point is 00:42:03 Please tag her below if you remember her username because I cannot remember it so I can't find the video but she was basically talking about how in all these black sitcoms anytime there was a white character they were usually a redhead like Zoe from the Proud Family, Chelsea from That's So Raven, Stevie from the Parkers like there are more examples that she used in the video, but and it got me thinking maybe we've always been here. We've known this from our childhood. Epigenetic memory. There's just always been this like subconscious link. I don't know. I'm just theorizing.
Starting point is 00:42:40 It's like how moths and butterflies will sometimes occupy the same space Despite the non compatible species, but hey and just like black people and white people are not I've been having this idea. What is this? What's happening right now? First Kevin Monique as a ginger. I'm not 100% I'm not a fit. I just wait. What is yeah? it's like I this person's like taking it so seriously and I Or just the new black is funny. I could do where it's either go back up to Can you show me all of that really long comment? I'll do my ginger voice What I'm nervous about this go ahead
Starting point is 00:43:23 well This is every I'm nervous about this. Go ahead. Well. This is every American voice that you do is this guy. Yeah, you have one American voice. Peter, as a ginger. Okay. As a Lois. As a Lois, okay. I'm not 100% sure how I feel about it.
Starting point is 00:43:38 I'm not in any way offended. It just doesn't quite feel right when the discrimination I experienced is nowhere near what actual black people have. I do. Actual black people is a very funny term here. It sounds accepted. It does imply that they are now. Now that I've learned that I'm black. That's more of like a light skinned statement to say.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Actual black people. When we're having like self doubt as opposed to a ginger guy being like well I'm black, but I don't know if I'm like quite. Oh my god. We have found an authority on the topic. Oh finally a black person to speak. Are redheads black people? Let's talk about it. She didn't say ginger. Okay, so I'm actually super excited that video actually got super viral because this is something I've talked about with me and all of my black friends for like years now and I have a lot of thoughts about this so this is gonna be a longer video just bear with me but I think you'll enjoy
Starting point is 00:44:36 it. Now just as a disclaimer I don't think redheads are black people. I don't think any redhead can speak to what it's like being a black person in America. Anyway, that being said let's get into it Talking about how I'm like low-key black Also, I live in the back rooms. So redheads have not been treated the best Throughout history by white people being the same which trials a lot of us are burning a stake I like apparently briefly banned marriage to redheads. We were thought to be vampires in actually several different cultures. Yeah, do the Italians discriminate those about the Sicilians?
Starting point is 00:45:13 It's not fucking fair. Look, this is a real thing historically. I mean, it's not just those two types of people that got discriminated against. There's like this kind of like hierarchy has definitely happened in all kinds of cultures. But then also someone said, literally what is even happening? I mean, am I missing some nuance here or is it,
Starting point is 00:45:37 can I confidently say, literally what is the difference between this and saying that Asians are black people? Yeah, I mean, I think this, this is so stupid that anyone take this seriously. That's my point. I don't want to belittle any of the discrimination that people have or sexual harassment like this person is talking about in this comment. It's like, yeah, that stuff is so gross.
Starting point is 00:45:56 I mean, that's just, that's like a, that's a symptom of a much larger issue. It's patriarchal. That's like, you know, it's. I think there's something to be said by someone smarter than me that's like, this like proximity to like prototypical whiteness and how like discrimination
Starting point is 00:46:17 just keeps moving the goalpost. And so. It brought a lot of bickering online is, we're still talking about it before the show for a separate reason As she was discriminating But like a lot of the time I think a certain type of prejudice is not experienced directly By people by our person it tends to get lumped in as a generic experience, right? It's like I got hit by a like, I got hit by a car.
Starting point is 00:46:45 I got hit by a helicopter. Oh, yeah. It's like, I don't even do it for myself. And you don't want to do the oppression Olympics or like. Yeah. It's just a different. You can't compare. But yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:55 I mean, maybe even if we were, I don't even want to talk about severity, which I would still argue is different. The severity, it would be, I got hit by a car. And I got hit by an F1 car. I think that what you're saying, and again, this should be discussed by someone smarter than me, probably, but individual comparisons aren't
Starting point is 00:47:14 a thing you can make because there's always extremes on either end, but what you're really discussing is systems of oppression, and how those systems subjugate people of color. And but yeah, it's like Irish people being viewed as like outsiders and then kind of being like accepted into the like white culture. But I do think there's something specific to the African-American identity. That is like because that is a dislocated diaspora. It is taken from,
Starting point is 00:47:49 as opposed to the way that a lot of I feel like race discrimination in the UK is interpreted, which is far more about like, it's just wrong. Don't do that as opposed to like, look what we did to these people. To add to your point, like, post slavery, I think is what makes the African American experience different because with the because of Jim Crow, because of the length of time when, you know, slavery was illegal, but there was like institutionalized discrimination to kind of still force slavery to happen. It's also not the case right now.
Starting point is 00:48:30 And also, yeah, when people talk about racist systems founding the country, much of it is the institutionalized, like post-slavery, quote unquote, post-slavery America, laundering the kind of subjugating post slavery, quote unquote post slavery America, laundering the kind of subjugating an identity of people and kind of co-locating it with class. And then having the, you know, there's the, was it,
Starting point is 00:49:00 there's, was it Nixon who had the, the leaked tapes of his person being like, oh yeah, we can't call him black people, but we'll just, we can't say these words anymore, but effectively the system targets exactly the same people that they've always been targeting. It's so sick any time politicians get caught with terminology like that,
Starting point is 00:49:18 because it's like, oh, you're like skeletal. You're just full evil. But it sucks that he was already dead by the time those tapes came out. But like it's like those systems, like many would argue, and I would agree, to a large extent have never gone away. They have just like.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Taken different forms. Taken different forms or continued to like launder themselves and embed themselves deeper into the fabric of the country. And then when people try to challenge them, you get those like, well, racism is over slavery ended a long time ago. And it's a little bit to me naive because when you build something on rotten foundation, it doesn't matter if you fucking like paint over it. Yeah, it's like a foundation.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Like a favela. Yeah. It's like, well, really the issue is that you should be providing adequate housing for people and so I know we'll paint them like nice colors. Yeah. That doesn't. Or no, it's like, hey, the Olympics are coming to town. Let's build like a covering so you can't see all the poor people.
Starting point is 00:50:22 A big facade of clouds like Truman Jones. Oh my god. I guess we're getting away from the... We're getting away from gingers. This is like a silly argument because obviously it's like saying are apples oranges? It's like no, they're apples. No, but they're fruit. What are you talking about? Apples have their own experience and oranges have their own experience.
Starting point is 00:50:44 One of them. Orange you glad you're not an apple. Why'd you say orange is gingers? Is that what you did that on purpose? I didn't think about it. You said that cause they're orange. It's funny though cause I'm also like, this is the type of thing, we are talking about it
Starting point is 00:50:56 so it's hypocritical but like, this is the type of thing that like, of course the internet is gonna get into like a deep kind of discussion about it when in Reality there's like I get what they're trying to say, but then now It like takes on a life of its own and it becomes like a discourse of the day I think a lot of the time I see people kind of Kind of distance throw these general kinds of conversations or online moments like this they
Starting point is 00:51:23 Throw them in a bucket of like, Hey, it's just rage bait. It's whatever. The thing is though, is that I feel like when we talk about this or when a lot of people talk about it, they're not replying to the person making the video. We're really replying to the thousands of thousands of sincere commenters. That is who they're like, Like you can make pure bait. If someone just made a video that's like, actually I think the Empire was right in Star Wars. And they're tricking you.
Starting point is 00:51:52 And then a bunch of people in the comments are like, dude, agree so hard. So I'm actually with you. Well, then the criticism to make is, look at, what the fuck are you talking about? You're insane. Let's watch this. But I do have to point out that the suggested search on this video is how are gingers black science?
Starting point is 00:52:10 Like that's clearly like a 14 year old who's like genuinely confused that's probably somebody like It's very funny to think of some racist white judges. They're like what the fuck No, no, please. Do you think that redheads are kind of like the light skins or the black people of white people? We have the light skins. No, they're the light skins of white people. Doesn't that mean they're less black? I that's that. Okay. I get what they're trying to say,
Starting point is 00:52:43 but it requires a lot more understanding of it's funny to bring in colorism Suggesting that the color doesn't matter at the same time. Okay as that we will always have like a Certain bond I think with other minorities. I don't mess with this. I don't like I don't know what started this conversation I think someone said all gingers are black. And now here we are. Most people are just having fun with this conversation, not taking it too seriously.
Starting point is 00:53:09 A lot of satire, things of that nature. But I'm a party pooper. I'm here to hate. Because you're me out. Hell yeah, brother, that's what we need. You look at the statement, the black people of white people. What the hell does that even mean? What you're doing is you're essentially using black people to be synonymous with oppression.
Starting point is 00:53:27 And you can't tell me that's not weird! This is like a skinny girl with an unattractive face saying, Even though I'm skinny, I constantly get made fun of for my face. So in a sense, if you think about it, I'm kinda like the fat people of skinny people. Do you guys see how ridiculous that sounds? What does the overweight community have to do with your ugly face? I understand the objective is to relate to a certain group of people, but if this isn't the most backhanded way to do so, then I don't know what is.
Starting point is 00:53:54 I agree with this point that it's like, why are people taking it so seriously? That's the weird thing is the internet's response to it. Because like, for example, someone like Hadija has like very, very thoughtful, like video essays and things that discuss like issues like this, right? And she's just having fun, right? But then when people, like that's why when I see this long ass video, I'm like, okay, let's relax.
Starting point is 00:54:23 How much do you have to, I do think this is a uniquely, and I'm as guilty of it, you know, I've been here too long at this point, but I'm as guilty as anyone there is a kind of uniquely American disease of starting a reply to something with I or me, me personally, me myself, I like re centering the conversation, not as a reply, but as a statement, and it works. It's just like a dialectical thing. And I think it has seeped into the brains a little bit when it comes to, okay, well, if we're talking about something, let me be the protagonist
Starting point is 00:54:58 of this part of the conversation. Like, well, my white person, I can't just make a comment about this. I need to be it. Does that make sense? My experience? This is what I am experiencing or I have done. I feel like if a non-Ginger person made that video, all of a sudden it would reignite some degree of like conflict because it just doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:55:21 It's just team sports. It's just fighting. It's just whatever. Yeah. And it's the thing is that it like it isn't. It is more important than that. It does have weight. And also, like, Italians make a similar argument. And there is a validity to the oppression and subjugation of Italians in America and essentially any immigrant that would come here. But there is not, to my knowledge, a disproportional number of Italians killed by the police anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There may have been. Yeah. But it matters if it's happening. Conflating the like oppression with like, like racism and oppression go hand in hand,
Starting point is 00:56:03 but like not all prejudice is racism. Yeah. Yeah, the conflation of those things, like this creator, West Best, conflating black people with oppression is a very dangerous precedent, but the original creator- Or is he replying to that?
Starting point is 00:56:20 Like the original creator, I am willing to charitably think that they're like- Definitely. It's such a short fucking video That's why I'm like, okay But then you know when we're starting to do think pieces about it, it's almost like pulling out more Than the original it's a little bit taking the bait. Yeah in the in the earnest The of it like to something that wasn't necessarily earnest to begin with. And it's what I say in our case, we are replying to the
Starting point is 00:56:48 reply. It's not no part of us. So that we're like, oh, I had nothing against this creator who is speaking their experience. I'm going to be Googling Haitian deities. I need to know. It's insane that you don't know that I have nothing against this like redhead creator as well, who's like speaking to their experience
Starting point is 00:57:08 because I'm sure they got enough, you know, responses where they're learning from that. I'm willing to like kind of just move on from that. Okay, and with that, there's a few more things I think we'll just have to wait until next week to discuss. One tiny thing is I watched Dragon Ball Daima. I enjoyed it. And it's also cool because it's like the last thing that Akita Toriyama worked on.
Starting point is 00:57:39 And it has like some structural issues. But in terms of like what it's trying to achieve and whether or not I had fun And whether or not it has like fun moments In like a little 20 episode jaunt i'm gonna burn through it tonight. Well, yeah, let me know what you think It's a good time. I watched a totally not mark uh hour-long review of it. Uh and I mean, it's chill. I mean, it's just like, it's one of those things where it's like, okay, yeah, it has some issues, but it's also the last thing we get
Starting point is 00:58:09 with any Toriyama influence. And we are, I think, especially predisposed to the, and there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The sound is not always great, can blind you, but in this particular case, I think that's sweet. Yeah, it does have like a lot of GT vibes because very superficially, it's got a lot of GT vibes. Yes, it does have like a lot of GT vibes because very superficially,
Starting point is 00:58:26 it's got a lot of GT vibes. There's so many like, there's so many similarities in framework. It's interesting that so much of the critique for GT came from the lack of his involvement. And then when he's fully involved, it is pretty close. One of the critiques of it, I've heard is- Of Daima? Yeah, is that the production schedule was not rushed, but preset or something like that so that there wasn't as much time to refine. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:59:01 And the story, the animation and stuff all looks good. There's not bad animation and stuff all looks good. There's not like Bad animation days or anything like that. Is it kind of looking like a superhero or they oh no Well more like I would say closer to trad than the superhero Being a lot more 3d like almost entirely. Yeah, I really I'm not a fan of that. Yeah, but then this was a mix It's kind of like when it's, when it felt appropriate. Does the other part have it look more like super Ozzy? That's hard to say because, because you know how Toriyama
Starting point is 00:59:35 is like art style has changed a lot. It's and everyone's chibi for most of this show. And so. Which is more Dragon Ball original. It's and everyone's chibi for most of this show. And so. Which is more Dragon Ball original, I guess. Yeah, I'd say it gives me more, maybe like a mix between Z and Super, but then it has a lot of GT structural elements, but a lot of like Dragon Ball charm.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Yeah. And kind of levity, for example. It's one of those things where it feels a little like DLC. Okay. Because like, are we traversing new ground in the 40 years since the original Dragon Ball. We've kind of exhausted power scaling. The structural elements of making everybody kids,
Starting point is 01:00:32 which is like a thing you know from the jump, is a little bit to address the fact that every bad needs to keep getting bigger and badder. And so this introduces more a grounding a little bit of that issue. They're running out of hair colors. However, I think it does have some issues with stakes because Goku is, it takes place immediately after Buu Saga
Starting point is 01:01:01 and Goku is still Goku. Like it doesn't matter if he's in a child's body. He takes a bit of getting used to, but he's still the guy. He's the same guy, yeah. Yeah, but there are some of the fight sequences, and fights are really cool, and there's some fan service in there,
Starting point is 01:01:20 but it just doesn't feel like a big commitment, and it's nice. I feel like- 20 minute episodes? 20 minute episodes, 20 episodes. I'm judging Dragon Ball on a curve. You know what I mean? I'm grading Dragon Ball on a curve. I'm having a good time.
Starting point is 01:01:33 And sometimes in a positive sense as well. No, I just mean like... Grading it on a curve of quality that like might... Some people don't even take into account. Well, it's like as a person who's got so much experience and goodwill towards it, Some people don't even take it into account. Well, it's like as a person who's got so much experience and goodwill towards it, it doesn't take as much of a lift for me to enjoy it.
Starting point is 01:01:51 Yeah, I mean, I smile when I look at Grillen. It's like not a hard ask. It's not like Star Wars where I feel like a legacy has... Like, where people... Because I don't have this because I wasn't like a childhood fan of Star Wars, but I know some people feel like Star Wars has been ruined. Sure, and lowered the quality of the original by- Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like I don't,
Starting point is 01:02:10 like I'm like, okay, like, join the party a little bit, you know? Oh, yes, I remember. I had fun. Well, I'm gonna watch it, and you're not. You'll be like, I don't get it, why is it a cartoon? I gave Jarvis my brother's Dragon Ball toys because I Speaking of smiling when you see Krillin He's smiling. I never really watched Dragon Ball fast-kicking Krillin. I
Starting point is 01:02:38 Watched a little bit. I watched some of the Dragon Ball Z movies. This is a copyright I watched some of the Dragon Ball Z movies. This is a copyright 1995, dude. That's so old. This is like old, old Dragon Ball. All right, calm down. I'm not that old. This is like some grandma Dragon Ball, dude. This is your grandma's Dragon Ball. Yeah. We should say Anastasia is, what, 120 years old, roughly?
Starting point is 01:03:05 In this form, yeah years old, roughly? In this form, yeah. Oh, I see, this skin. And this skin. Yeah, I've had many skins, Chad. Coming to Fortnite. All right, gang, well, we're gonna jump over to Sad Boys Nights, where you're gonna hear about my encounter with Darman,
Starting point is 01:03:19 and then you're gonna hear some us shooting the shit, and then we're gonna play who wants to be a billionaire And we never have a sad was really particular phrase I do want to young that sounds like sleepy boys more like Because one of the guys in the group Iron Man has like 560 days of playtime on his, he has a maxed account that he's played for like five, six years. And so that accounts to like, can you do 560 times 24 hours? 13,440.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Do you know how many waking hours there are in a year? So like take eight hours away from every day. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Not as many as I thought. Right, right. It is way fewer than you would think. It's like, what is it, like 5,000-ish?
Starting point is 01:04:15 It's 5,840. Yeah. That's not a lot of time. I 100% green.

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