Sad Boyz - Gen Z Is Cringe Now Too?

Episode Date: February 28, 2026

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Welcome to Sadboys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. All right. So today we'll be chatting the main topic. We're going to talk about Gen Z finally realizing that they can be cringe. They're in trouble. It comes for all of us at some point.

It's too late. Also, my obsession with reality shows. And did Gavin Newsom really say that? Did he just insult black people? Arm. The spoiler alert, we found the context, but we still have a lot of. more to say about that guy. Then it's very embarrassing still.

I'm going to read you some of the transcript of episode of This American Life from August 16th, 2019. Okay. Ira Glass. I think probably every two years I read an article about some scientists who thinks there might be a way building off chicken DNA or whatever to figure out the DNA of dinosaurs and bring one to life. I feel like I run into these stories all the time.

There were those scientists a couple years ago who were talking about how you could take Neanderthal DNA and use it to create Neanderthals. or this is, I think, the realist one going. I think this is an actual thing. There's a team led by, is this a freaking life doing my... I heard about an article one time? I think this is an actual thing. There's a team led by a Harvard scientist

trying to bring back the woolly mammoth. That's right, the woolly mammoth and have herds of them tromping through the Siberian tundra. That's the actual plan. And I can just say, I know you scientists have your reasons, but whenever I read this stuff, I think, did you guys not see,

Jurassic Park. Have you learned nothing from the movies? Is this type five? Is this fucking show? I ever think of this American life, I associate it with like, we've collected a set of small stories talking about a particular theme. And instead it's like this guy drunkenly riffing. Like, hey, so, you know, if there was a friggin alien here, take me to your dealer. You know what I'm saying?

I'm going to skip a little bit ahead because it goes about like movies, nuclear bombs, Jeff Goldblum in and then Frankenstein I mean thank you Jeff Goldblum Dr. Frankenstein collects the body parts of dead people

shows them together on a lab table joltz them with some electricity it's not just the movies by the way of course we all know discoveries in subatomic physics labs I mean like it just like the fuck you told me about you will never you will never guess where this is going

bro is cooking nothing Cylons return to Caprica to kill all the humans who invented them. Okay, that one's not real. But my point is the same. Unintended consequences. This is like a bro-hit, trying to hit the word count. They happen when the experiment leaves the lab. And today on our show, we have three examples, three telling examples from three very different kinds of labs. One of them, okay, one of them is a laboratory of human feelings, but still, from WBZ Chicago, it's this American life. I'm Ira Glass. Stay with us. I see why he reminds you that at the end,

because I also forgot who he was and what that was. And here's where he was going with this. Okay, so we begin this experiment gone wrong. Like I said, this is not a traditional experiment, not a traditional laboratory, but a laboratory of human emotion. One very familiar to lots of people. I'm talking about the reality TV show The Bachelor. No. Ira Goss, what are you cooking?

Dude, so much time has passed since this like running position that every dating show also needs like some kind of profound scientific element. And they are talking about other stuff outside of dating shows, but nothing can justify that preample. That was, that is obscene. Like, he gave him five paragraphs and then opened with like, the story of Cocoa Mellon follows his small child. Before we talk about Cocoa Mellon,

we must talk about Plato's allegory of the cave. I brought this up because we're watching The Traders and Colton Underwood from The Bachelor is on The Traders. And I made a video about Colton Seasons of the Bachelor back in 2018 or whatever. And Colton is a villain in, all senses of the word he's like he's like weird on his season of the bachelor um but then and then after his season of the bachelor he uh like had a restraining order granted against him by uh a cassie um the winner of the show because he refused to like leave her alone and i won you

allegedly like it gets incredibly dark so trigger warning for like abusive and I actually don't know what the proper trigger would be but it's like stalking and that type of thing abusive man behaviors of stalking a woman the so he allegedly and I say alleged but like there's a lot of credible evidence here um he put a tracking device allegedly on Cassie's car like an eye tag like that kind of that's I don't think it's ever come out what it was, but my assumption was intertag type thing. And then he texted

her from like a burner phone impersonating someone else or harassing her with text from like a burner. But before all of that came out, The Bachelor this time around is Colton Underwood. He's 26, tall,

sandy hair, handsome, a former football player. And as the show has mentioned a million times, he's a virgin. I forgot about that. Yeah, he's the virgin The Bachelor. I did have listening back like to the episode getting the family

around and being like, guys, I was on this American life. Let's give a listen. And it opens with him like, he's a virgin, he doesn't get laid, he's got nice hair, I guess, but, uh,

the hell I wrote? Um, yeah. Do they talk to him? They talk to, no, commiserating Colton? I don't think they talk to

commiserating Colton. By the way, Webster's Dictioner defines commiserate. Shout us anybody watching. Traders, fun show, awful game. Legitimately, incompetently designed game, but if you get enough incompetent people, it kind of, there's like a beautiful... I'm like somewhat sympathetic to the game, but it...

The Neil Strauss book? At many, at many, at many points, it feels like coughing baby versus atomic bomb. Because, like, there are people who, like, play these sorts of hidden identity. games and stuff or play like their former survivor contestants big brother type people and then there's like Olympic figure skaters who like I'm like up I'm frustrated on their behalf because I feel like they're going through some sort of psychological torture they have a different craft and it's very admirable that they're incredibly talented at it's not playing werewolf no that's the thing I get the idea because it's like um this like super smash bros esk like uh everyone's invited type like

Everyone for the extended like NBC Universal Universe. But it's like if they didn't scale the character powers down and Gannendorf was just fighting real Luigi. Right. Gannadorf was fighting like just a man who works at Whole Foods. Oh, that sounds pretty good. Yeah. There was a, I do, I would recommend the show to people in the sense that it's like, it's compelling. It's a good group watch.

I was talking to Alexis about it last night. Like she's enjoying it as well. But I'm also not really, I don't know. there's like reality TV so much there's so much more diversity in like the styles of it now than like when that term was established and what we knew as reality TV and like the conventions of it that now there's like a certain kind of reality show where the production is the thing I'm interested in and the stories that present and then there's a lot more of the other kind of show which is something I can't watch by myself because it doesn't like love is blind as it's it's a show I've enjoyed in the past but I almost feel like I'm uh I'm not absorbing it correctly unless I'm talking to someone around it. But traitors, I think I would be going insane if I did not have other humans around being like, I'm going to like, this is stupid, right? Like, this is, I'm not, not, because they, I love the idea of always referring to other people as like, well, you know, this is the group of housewives and,

and these, those guys are the gamers and they're just referring to anybody with like a three digit IQ. It's like, it's like, it's like referring to anyone who's, thinks about the strategy of the game, but I do have some opinions on this because you found me at a very reality television point in my life. I, obviously, I've gone in and out of like the reality game.

I used to make a lot of videos about reality shows, and I'm back on the, I'm back on the wagon. Get the hand in your blue chip. One month. About the, historically, I'm not a survivor guy, historically. But I've seen a couple seasons here and there, And the last time I watched a season, it was when I was in my old, like, old place.

And I remember thinking to myself, wow, this is really fun. I, like, kind of want to watch more of this. And then I just didn't because I got distracted by another shiny thing. And I have, like, tons of things on the back burner like that. Like, I just watched, like, Succession for the first time because something distracted me when I was watching episode one last time and then I never came back to it. And you were saying like, these guys don't deserve their taxes to go up. They're working hard. They're like, I was just, yeah, I was thinking about like how I wish that they were real

patriots like those. Yeah, but you know, it's that like turned people into biofuel and drink hell. Yeah. Why is that not allowed? Why isn't that allowed? Um, but I have been into Survivor lately and I'm, I'm doing my research. Survivor 50 is kicking off today. But, but, But obviously people are, today's Wednesday for us and it'll be Friday when people are listening to this. But fuck knows when it'll be for us then. Having some. We could be having.

Sometimes my Friday's a Sunday a lot of the time. You know what I mean? I, in preparation, I decided that I just, I love appointment viewing television and there's like, it's dwindling, you know? Yeah. It's manual. Like you have to now make that appointment. It is.

It feels like you're driving stick. It's like, um, you can't like mainline it, uh, the way that you used to back in the day. Like, well, we have to meet up because Lost is only on right now, as opposed to, like, yeah, let's meet up and watch Lost. And what was lost, but inspired by Survivor. And, yeah, like the pilot, like the initial conception of the show. But so Survivor was this runaway hit in the year 2000. And I went back and watched Season 1 of Survivor. And we're talking about traders and gamers and stuff and the kind of disparate ability levels.

early Survivor, and I watch now a couple of the early seasons, and I'm jumping between, like, I watch season 49 and then I watch season one. I watch season two and it was season 48. Such a cultural institution. Something I didn't understand about Survivor until I'd met people that were really into it. Right. Is that it's a cultural institution first and a show second. It's like church. And I do think it's a game that respects itself.

Like, I think that, like, obviously they fiddle with a formula and stuff like. that, but the formula, the core framework of Survivor has basically been the same since season one. And I, I was so surprised by that because it's been 25 years and the fact that it can still work is crazy. But we've had more iterations of this podcast. Literally. Like we've adjusted more.

So the thing that I respect the most about, or a thing that I like about, there's a lot of people, and I have no say in this because I'm a more or less a new head, but there's always this like old head survivor versus new head thing, you know, 39 days versus the 26 days because they've made it shorter after COVID. But in the earlier seasons of Survivor, in the new seasons of Survivor, everyone's a lifelong fan of Survivor. They're super familiar with the institution. Whereas in the early days of Survivor, they were. discovering the strategy from first principles. And there is a severe gulf between people who are strategizing and people who are just

vibing. Yeah. Or who were just like down to, they're just trying to play the survival game and forget about the outwit, outplay out last element of it all. I can see a world where without the show already existing, a lot of people just being like, yeah, I can figure it out. So I've got on island, I can fucking figure out. When a player survivor, people are like, uh, it's boring that people want to make alliances.

That's not fair. That's not like fair. Like, what do you mean? And let me win. And like literally there's a guy who like describes it as like a boring way to play the game when I think it's actually the interesting part of the game is the politics. But I think at that time there were other, it was so novel. Every aspect of it was novel. So, um, I mean, I didn't like, till I'd seen the show, I genuinely.

just thought it would fall into a bucket of like hyper overproduced reality TV stuff because it still has like some of the iconography you know like oh for sure set design and some of the confessionals it is as a result of it more or less being the same kind of vibe since for 25 years but they do they do it put them into position where they can just die they do it and that kind of continually happens by the way I can't believe it like there's a really horrific show called I'm a Liberty get me out of here. Oh, I've seen the American adaptation. I didn't even know they took a swing at that.

Oh, you know, imagine the tier of celebrity that is on that show in America. And just like describe to me in the best terms that you can, like what type of celebrity would show up there. I think it's someone that that would be, it's a show that James Corden would be too good for. Absolutely. It's a show that in the, I believe there's only one American season, but I could be wrong. in the American season that I, the one person I remember

being on it for sure is the least famous Baldwin brother. They have a bonus Baldwin. Actually, I think it's Stephen Baldwin. I don't even think he's the least famous one. He might be, wait. Was it Haley Bieber's dad? That was on it?

Stephen Baldwin is here. Well, that is Haley Bieber's dad, but I'm wondering if Stephen Baldwin was the one on I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. It seems like he would be. Wow, Haley Bieber's dad on I'm a celebrity. Give me out of here. We thought it was only losers.

Hey, I'm sure we've all. seen the video of of Stephen Baldwin introducing his daughter Haley to Justin Bieber backstage at like a Justin Bieber concert or something like that, like a thousand years ago. Well, that's a weird vibe. Last night, guess where I was, Laker Game, guess who was sitting front row, Justin Bieber? I have a photo of the back of his head. I wonder if I looked at only the back of his head. I wonder if I could tell.

Honestly, he would be in my first 10 guesses. He's wearing a large hoodie with nothing but the hoodie visible, and his posture is iconic. But anyway, Traders reminds me of that era of Survivor in that there are people with completely disparate levels of skill, which creates a different type of strategy. But I like watching the newer seasons of Survivor because people are so cooked on, like, locked in on the game that there's like many levels of, of, um, subterfuge. Yeah. You know? It's like, well, I mean, there's a, I've always felt like there's an uncanny valley,

like a golf where meta isn't fun, where if people know nothing about it, and it's just base principles and vibes, something's fun or interesting. Right. When people are so informed about something, then it's almost like you're having a learning experience by even seeing them. If you're watching the Olympics, like, wow, I just didn't even know. People could move that fast. Then there's that middle point, the kind of minor league baseball stuff,

which traders falls into, where there's a bunch of people gaming, but the gaming is like a, it's like a Resident Evil Four escort mission or something. It's like you're accidentally shooting Ashley Graham, like, oh, for fuck sake, they got in the way again. It is, um, Michael Clayton, what's his fucking name? Rappaport?

The Wigger, yeah. I'm not a traitor. Yeah, my friend sent me this, uh, and, He was like, how is it to be in the same room as the beeps? And I responded with a photo of the back of his head. So, yeah, I'm watching reality TV. I just made a video about Love is Blind.

Chris, what a guy. Hopefully. Hopefully. You're going to publish it. I'm thinking about it. I skip this one. But today, we wanted to talk about a viral, a viral trend that really just impregnates me with a question. Okay, close one.

Oh, what were you thinking? I mean, no, it's okay. You said something about something? I was just saying that I was like impregnated. Oh my God. With wonder. Sorry, just give me an idea. And with curiosity around.

Do pull up A.03? No. I have a story, actually. I'm going to impregnate you. Oh, come on. With a sense of curiosity. Brilliant. And that'll be the name of my firstborn.

Sense of curiosity. I am hyper. I'm hyper aware of my generation because so many Gen Z people listen to this show or watch my videos. And they're obsessed with the fact that millennials exist out in the world. The war has been brought to us. Yeah, it's like I didn't ask, but it's like, oh my God, the millennial Zoom. Oh my God, you're such a millennial. It's like, relax.

I know. Yeah, it's like I've been here the whole time. What do you think I thought I was? Now, Gen Z is starting to age out of their cutesy era. Yeah. It is uncomfortably we're having to show, we're having to hold up the mirror and say, we are all the same. You too are cringe.

I'm so sorry to let you know. There's a bunch of generations and they have happened before. And they keep happening, I guess. They keep happening. And unfortunately, what happened to us will happen to you. Every generation has a pocket of cringe. The greatest generation. generation, cringe.

They got the best name. Yeah. Fuck. That's not fair. They chose a superlative name. They chose the best one. They succeeded at giving themselves a nickname. Yeah.

Yeah. Big dig. Stanley. Big Dick Stanley. You've been trying to get us to call you that, right? And it's working? Working? Okay.

I do think that like making fun of another generation or like, I don't know, like recognizing nuances and calling them out is a little. bit like how as a kid you don't know how to really make a joke yet but you'll repeat something from TV and then that's a step in the right direction or like when you see toddlers kind of talking to each other with nonsense because they know what a conversation sounds like right it's like it's the first thing you get to be kind of snide about and it's fun it's like a little because the power dynamic is it's punching upwards traditionally two people with probably more positions of comfort or something, right?

And or people you at least see as like an elder generation. So you get to be like, hey, boomer. Okay. So tell you what, Gen X, they got fucking skipped. I think for every millennial, every boomer, millennial and Gen Z, for every hundred times one of them gets roasted by one of the others, X maybe gets roasted once.

Yeah, I feel like you don't ever see people talking about Jen Z. Xers. Gen X is, um, was actually named by this writer Douglas Copeland. He wrote a book called Generation X. That's why we have X, X, X, X, Y, Alpha. Like, that's how it started. I don't know why. The book is really, there is, Millennials are Generation Y, right? Yeah, we're Y. Yeah. So we're both. Well, because they named us Generation Y and then. And we said, More like Generation Y. Yeah. What the hell?

We said. More like Generation what the heckers. Yeah, we'd be like Big Dump, Big Chunker says, hmm. Cheeseburger, remember? I can't has. Generation small. By the way, you saying Cheeseburger, be saying I can't has. Shoot me right.

Red dot on my forehead. Please. We shouldn't have been aligned on it. It's a terrible shame. I can't has. Please don't find my old Newgrounds account where I would talk like that, unironically. We should get into these. This creator, Chiani.

Carolina Chiani. X-O. Or Sianci. Or Carr, O-Line-Tian. Oh, we could go see her live in L.A. in March 10. So this is a comedian. So I want to call that out because any time a woman's being funny online,

she doesn't get it. To forget that women have humor. Captured Impact font at the top saying, this is a joke and I'm aware of it. First comment reply. Quote tweeting, like, what a dumb lady. At from at My Hero Academia fan number five. Women shouldn't be allowed to hold a phone.

She's roasting y'all ass. Do we know? I'm assuming she's Gen Z. Yeah. I believe so. Finger on the polls. Which is, I think, important. It has to come from inside the house.

Yeah, that's true. Because it's usually more insightful. It is. The joke is like never what we're going to guess. P-O-V that Gen Z girl with no personality meets another Genzy girl with no personality. And I was like, oh, that's not... Hi. Hi.

Your outfit is eating. Wait, I'm screaming. Wait, same. Oh. Literally. Wait, it's giving icon. No, because you're giving diva. Clock it?

Clock it. The way I need to know your name. No, because same. Okay, let's say it on three. Okay, one, two, three, page. What? Wait, I'm gagged. That part.

Wait, no, because the way I'm obsessed with you. No, because same. Except I'm also super over stimmy right now, so. No, because same. Yeah, I'm probably going to go. Okay, you do you, girly pop. Bye, queen. So much of this is ABE.

Yeah, and I feel like a lot of it's like, like from the queer community as well. Yeah. I do feel like a, a sense. central component of Gendee, which I don't think I have the, the gray matter for. I don't think I was trained in the blade enough is memorizing stims. I think there's like, you know, if you like scroll through like just kind of a normal use camera roll or something and it's like photos of the sunset they saw, maybe a dinner,

whatever. And then you scroll through like, scroll to anybody who's even a slight bit too online and it is only reaction images and then one photo of a dog and then 80 reaction images. It's like that kind of thing. It's like that is like, it's a thing I can't even keep up with and my ADHD is already. I would make a note for those phrases because there's no way I can hold on to it. It's funny because like all of this makes sense to me, but it's because I'm very online. You've been made to understand.

And also like, you know, it's like I'm not like I have friends who are 26. You know what I mean? like or and he i mean we have friends jacob who talk like this i work with a guy who talks like this okay um no but like same no but like same girlie pot yeah that part that part clock it jacob have you ever felt like you've uh sunk sunk into the atmosphere of that at any point do you better question do you have the muscle memory are you trained but just not applying I don't think I have the muscle memory, but I think a large part of this too. Sorry, I am now doing the missteps.

I get off it. It's hard to separate Gen Z culture from like TikTok culture, right? Because a lot of Gen Z culture is, was grown and perpetuated on like TikTok and Instagram. Yes. And so it's hard to say sometimes if it's like a generational thing or like an internet culture thing. I think it's, well, I think you're, to your credit, I do think it's both because earlier, Jordan, you were talking about like talking how they talk on TV. And that's kind of like me. That's like how I learn to talk.

And a lot of people now social media has replaced that. And so it reinforces a lot of this stuff, the social media stuff, which doesn't, it's this like, what's the opposite of an anachronism where it's like a, it's like a, it's like the word backonym, but for like when you take something. So essentially what I'm trying to say is a lot of TikTok stuff is. is not just how people talk, but how people need to present to engage and to make content. And then that feeds into the consumers of that content who then emulate that.

And then it becomes how people are speaking in the real world. It's a recursive loop. You know, because sometimes people speak in that, it's like there's a, it's like a meta for like a different type of content. Like if I'm watching a day in the life video, I'm expecting the come with me as I show you the day in the life working as an intern in New York. Holding the microphone is like, by the way, I'm holding. It's a visual.

I'm holding the iPhone microphone that you cannot buy anymore. I don't know where everyone's getting it. Yeah. But you know what I mean. I do think like a very like early example is when people would say out loud, lull. Oh, I still do that just for shits and gigs. I love cross-generational stuff. It just depends on who I'm with also.

Yes. Because I also will use a lot of more of this type of language around like Maria, like my best friend. Maria's and this is not an insult who I thought about with this only because she hits a few of those. She hits the. She's a she's bilingual This is like she has access to it She also does it in a tongue and cheek way too Which is the entry drug

I will say for anything in that one We were chatting yesterday about a rad Oh yeah Was kind of an obligation at one point in time Or like hell yeah brother Like these things are just like fucking stins They're in it's ironic until it's not Until it's not

And then I have had many situations Where I'm like I have to stop doing it There are some of these That I'm like Like when someone encapsulates all of this in an earnest way, it feels like they are, it does feel like no personality, in quotes. But it's not that. But it is just like this, it's like why does everything you say sound like you're online?

One of my dearest friends does sometimes go into this mode. Sure. Like, you've been on TikTok too much. But I totally get it because that happens to me to you. Something seeps into my brain. I called someone a chud earlier today. Well, and I don't know if you remember this, but when the American office first popped off, everybody said that's what she said. And it was hard not to.

It was a stim a little bit. Like Jacob keeps just tracking. They're like multiplying. This is like the thing I see right before I wake on. But sometimes I do think that this is a little bit. like putting up a facade. Well, but which I think is. So not no personality,

but maybe I'm not showing you any of my personality. And I think it's like I want to be in the end group. I want to fit in. I want to match everyone. And there's nothing wrong with that. It is. I mean, it's also a case of like shared vernacular, I guess.

Oh, you know the other thing that this reminds me of is the AAVE struggle tweets. Because a lot of the stuff, like a one that gets missing. use the most is like ah like a h where people say ah instead of like it's ass like it's like a goofy yeah it's not like an application yeah and so it's like it's like i know you've only ever read this yes there's a really oh my this there's this thing where in a lot of shows orphan black was the old morris sort at first and it just started like good show but like grading color there's a thing where a lot of the time people don't get that shite is not a substitute for shit.

They're different. It's two work with different applications. Like it's like you don't stop your tongue go shite. It doesn't make any sense. And it would happen constantly. There'd be some drama. It'd be like, and she'd be like, shite. It's a Canadian show.

Oh, no. It's like, shite it. And like, this is not. I saw one. You just need to show one English person and they'll be like that. I saw one that was very funny because it was about Pokemon. The first time I started. Charzard was when my Charmilian evolved, no internet, no strategy guides, nothing, 100% Child Wonder,

discovery of the unknown, which I think is like relatable, all these things when you were a kid. You just like didn't know. I feel the same way about most stuff in Roomscape. I mean, when you've just discovered stuff. Yeah. Like what the effect? Why is it animated different? Oh, I first episode of Dragon Ball I watched, Goku was on Snake Way, which is like essentially filler.

It's a lot to process all it wants. And I was like, I was just mesmerized. I was like the moving pictures. But then someone quote tweeted this. with what I believe to be an AVEE struggle tweet. Oh. Because they're upset and the person who's quote tweeting it is upset that this person said that they had never seen Charzard before.

And so here's a quote tweet. They're upset by that? Here's a quote tweet. Me when I lie as hell. Oh, dude. When I lie as hell. Me when I lie as hell. I saw this in the wild on my feed.

And I was like, what are we? doing um i feel it's also i don't know it's kind of a nothing ever happens type post where it's like okay i don't think you're like literally i've never seen the visual before the box doesn't say what it is that and that's why people are defending this person so that's why i don't want to put the other quote quote tweeter on blast but people love fighting huh it's like yeah i don't i don't know but yeah so like jin z language is this amalgamation of like internet speak there's often been this discourse about, okay, well, so much of this internet lingo is just AVE, which is just true, like so much of it.

A lot of, and then like kind of matriculated through, uh, also like queer culture and like a lot of drag culture terminology. Exactly. Yeah. Which is kind of just like, yeah, I'll love that. Kind of. I like what you're doing. That's my one now.

And, and a lot of times, it's just like not, you know, attributed back or, or it's, it's, it's bastardized. Like, you know, like when black people, like there's that Kevin stage tweet where he talks about how like people are using unc is upsetting for him. And I'm like, yeah, I get it. Because like it is this, you know, for lack of a better term, bastardization of like the original thing. And there is like for me this tug between the natural evolution of language a la we say literally now when things didn't literally happen. And the. And the. the kind of culture vulture theft that often happens where it's like, I want the rock and roll music, but without the black people. Yes. You know what I mean? And then it gets to you and you're like, oh, this is nice.

Oh, I didn't know that was something bad about it. That's not. I go, sheesh. You know, I have this, I only found out about this kind of recently. This is one of those things where like struggling with the application of the word now. But from what I understand, Chav, CHAV is now. like used to describe style look like a style

Oh interesting And the thing is like That was always like kind of there And adjacent but the origin of the term chav Is council housed and violent It's a classist term It's to say like like look at this person They're a chav aka they're poor

And they shouldn't come to my school Right that's like now evolves in a way that's like And I know to be very I know a lot of people that would like If I don't even know if reclaiming the word Is an accurate way to say it but use it like Themselves because so many people would call them that and it did like because it but like I still in my brain I find it so hot to divorce it from like somebody's getting driven home by their parents and they go past us at the bus stop and they

yell like chavs and I'm like that's it's fine and it's like good I guess it's like it's we it's hard to police because I'm the problem and I love the police it's a it's a hard thing to like monitor rate in police because one, the people, the way that people police language online is really annoying. It's kind of ruined it. Yeah. Where it's like, okay. And I'm not, I'm not saying that they're wrong.

I'm just saying that like the reason that a lot of people don't get on board with it is because it's annoying. And it's usually the reply that is, it's smug. There's a smugness. A smogosity. I do want to say, though, I have no animosity towards it. Like, I find all of the, the funny little quirks and vocal sims and stuff. None of this is a critique of Gen Z.

I just think it's so funny that it's reached kind of like an apex now, like a cultural awareness, where it's something you can mock. There's like enough of it to make fun of it, if that makes sense. Like people that aren't Gen Z are now aware of Gen Z slang. In order to reach your audience effectively, you want to like meet people where they are. and as language and communication evolves, so do the tools that you use to communicate. It's kind of like the church pastor

who like does hip hop to like preach the Lord. It's like that's like a really awkward way of doing it. That's wrap for a second, guys. Jacob pulled up this tweet that says, I hate when people say shit is Gen Z slang when it's ABE like we was saying low Kerk. Lerke. I can't even, I've never said this out loud. Lerker.

Loke, Lokenly. I don't, does anyone ever say that out loud? Low Kirk and you, Low Kirk can you and Lee in the, in the hood in 1997. That's actually, wait, I'm realizing one of the weirder things is like actual like length of these, like because it's, you know, in the context of a post like any of these is, it's our term, our word, our post length. It's like there's a character limit to these stims.

Everything has to be about half a sentence long. Like there's nothing like, uh, I can't has cheesebook. is extremely cringe and was at the time and now is in retrospect as well, but it is too long to work now because like, does that make sense? But there's structurally. There is. And also this is obviously in bad faith, like the Kirk memes are so new. And sure, there's Gen Z slang that isn't just like misappropriated AVEE, but there's a really

good etymology nerd video about this. where he talks about where the majority of our quote unquote internet slang is coming from nowadays and it's really fascinating because a lot of it is coming from A.V but a lot of it is coming from like Sigma male like you know in cell exactly I mean like people are mugging I was going to bring up Mog like I mean there's like the Alyssa Lou like um quote the cliff that just came out where it's like my main goal is to Mogg and I'm like I mean yeah I do think they're I was kind of surprised by how ubiquitous the mug stuff became just because I feel like we we see this cycle a lot you know yeah but it maybe was bubbling under for a while though

I mean mag was around molding and mag and maxing and obviously but I do think very good it's I do think it's filling a need. Yeah, low core genuinely, I think it is. Shut. Like, I really think there wasn't something there in that space. I mean, I think it's also just more fun versus like a few other ways of like for it. It's, it is very fun to, again, it's like you play with Legos because you can't build a house when you're a kid. You know, you built the little thing.

You built, make the thing. It's like that. It's like, ooh, I can have a joke. Isn't the origin of memes similar to this? where it's like these like little like cultural nuggets that. Yeah, memetic theory of like an idea that spreads organically. Because it feels like that's like what it is. It's like we interject these momentary,

maybe fleeting ephemeral cultural pieces to stay connected to our like communities. Yeah. It does signal contemporary a little bit. Exactly. Yeah. Don't worry. I'm a peer. And that's why it has to continue evolving,

which is, I've brought this up with you guys. Like if I talk to somebody that I went to high school with who isn't online, it is. It highlights, yeah. It really highlights the gap in discourse. I think I am like not particularly online person and then I will be in England for any period of time and I'll reference something or like even use a word a certain way.

I'm like, okay, all right, Mr. Hollywood. Wearing sunglasses ever? I was thinking, I, Again, I'm watching all these old seasons of Survivor, and there's some, I start to, like, think about what years of those seasons? First since 2000. And so, okay, like, this is a very silly example, but the globalization of culture in the internet age, right? There's a moment where this vegetarian girl is like, could we please get some tofu, some edamami? It's not like we never knew how to say it.

Yeah. But I think that like Japanese culture is exported to America and there's not a like dialogue. It's like where karaoke etymami, like where those things like come from, where it's like a closed system, it like only feeds one way. It comes out like wholesale. And then and then there's also no interest in out of sight, out of mind. There's no interest in paying respect to a culture. Well, we took, we took that. I'll have that one.

I'll have that, please. And that's a little bit what this language feels. Like, it feels like a grab bag of I'll have that. Oh, Uncle, take that. That one's useful. Chopped, I'll grab that over here. You know, like the core of culture, right? It is like a shared language and like hegemony in a positive way.

But I was going to say now it feels like there's a lot less cynicism, which I appreciate. Like I feel like so much of the base of any conversation about terminology or any conversation about generational stuff was always kind of built around, hey you're using that wrong or you're doing the wrong thing there or you're trying to communicate the wrong idea or something like that but now i think of it it's just now with a veil of irony like people are arguing and getting mad at each other but with the kind of like the veil the little buttress of like it's online i don't like give a shit or whatever yeah but like it's giving wrong and yeah oh yeah it's giving is it's interesting that like because that's been around for so long but that one's persisting just watch another one of these

Your millennial co-worker? Yeah. Hey, Queenie, you're serving tea this morning. Oh, thank you. Of course. Hey, we're standing on business in that meeting of all men. Remember, men ain't shit. Yeah, thanks.

Hey, guess what I brought for lunch today? What? Sweet potato with buttercasse. What's buttercose? Wait, wait. Do you not know who Courtney Cook is from TikTok? No, I'm actually not on TikTok. Oh, my God.

Okay, you know what? That's honestly for the best. I'm clocking. Like seven hours a day on TikTok. My kids are like, mom, please get off your phone, please. please and I'm like shut up I'm trying to learn how to do French girl inspired makeup that was tough I was that was that was a lot of psychic damage that was tough a strong wave it's it like is um it's like uncanny valley yeah it's like uh I mean it's

a baby and you see an adult changes their hair or something cool what the fuck something I'm I want to say a fan of but I'm always curious about is like um Genzi roasts of like millennials like impersonations and stuff not in this case but in general like a lot of um de fuck like like that kind of posting but as a joke from gen z and it's always it's like fun to watch but i do always notice like a little bit of a misunderstanding of how it's being used oh yeah for sure three is like yes that it just isn't like quite where they think it's being used to like oh yeah but oh yeah i mean i'm not trying to preserve that culture by any means. No, let it die. I was just thinking about will we remember 6-7? I think 6-7's dead and it died so it rose to

it's like a one-hit wonder. Its candle was too bright. It's like if you were in a coma, no one's going to remind you about 6-7. When we play Bandal and it'd be like a song from 2011, 9.3 trillion views. I'm like, what the fact? I do want to play Bandal after this. I guess we'll do that on Saboy's nights. But then when it comes, when we go like, oh, yeah, Six, seven. Yeah. I guess the only thing that gave gives it life is the numbers being next to each other. So that's how you know it's dead because I'm seeing the numbers come up and no one's saying anything.

I'm not counting. You know? The, uh, my barometer for this was kids at basketball games on the Jumbotron not doing it anymore. Not hitting the. It's, it's over. That's the canary in the coal mine. That is. Yeah, it's gone.

The canary's out. Which was, it escapes the mind. I think there's kind of something beautiful about it. Seeing a like in your own lifetime, seeing a, the birth of a son and the death of the sun. You know, like seeing, the S-U-N, by the way. It's like you get to see its motion goes from,

this is a thing that older people don't understand to, older people kind of understand it, oh, they're doing it too much, oh, I don't like it anymore, and now everyone hits it. And then everyone's fine with it. It is this interesting thing where it's like, I, we will all reach a certain age

where either we don't care about adopting any of the new language or you become so severely out of touch. that it's like doesn't compute and you just can't like keep up because it's not like we're trying to do it it's more just like you're talking you're consuming you're whatever I do have I think a D&D racial buff of being from another country and if I'm out of touch with anything culturally I'm allowed to pretend it because of that yeah I went to go like yeah it's been a fucking decade since I was like involved in British culture at all but if you look at someone like Hank Green like he still reaches a lot of like

Gen Z people, but it's because he has an unbroken streak of being an online communicator this whole time. And so you don't perceive the like age difference. I think he's also been like elder statesman is kind of his thing. Yeah, yeah. He shouldn't be using too much of the terminology because that goes against his brand. But he kind of, he's the most on the on TikTok person I know. Like, but he's, I thought you were clocking. Oh, sorry, but yeah, my knuckle snap. for you. It's giving you now. For us, I felt like I was such like a bastion of the future being online.

It's like the first. It's like the, it's the generation that planted all of the flags down on the moon. You know, it's like because it wasn't the first generation online. And we were not like, we didn't even really travel to the moon. We were just there. Yeah. Like somebody else did all the flying and then we went like, I made the moon.

That was my idea. Yeah. It's like another generation went to the moon, but then they gifted us a moon transporter where we can like go to the moon whenever we want. And then we're like, yeah, the moon's kind of my thing. I don't think the rest of you. But yeah, it's just like so much of the incumbent internet is just going to be a bunch of shit that like when millennials are getting online, there's just like not a culture developed.

And so then they reach a critical mass before the previous generation does in terms of the amount of internet hours. Yeah, like spent, like, loitering, buying a house in the 80s. You know what I mean?

It's like, it's like, it's like, because the older generations, they're online, but they're not, on average, they're not building community online.

And I think that that was like, the millennials, like contribution was like laying some communal groundwork. Yeah, I think the internet is supplemental to a boomer and then it is kind of dual wheel to

criminal tool, and completely essential. Yeah. I cannot imagine. I'm out of the loop on this because I, people think I'm like exaggerating or like, I'm actually not on TikTok. Like, if someone sends me a link, I have to log in. Like, it is that rare that I forget that I have it. It's not, it's just my thumb doesn't drift to it.

And I don't know if I was, I don't know if this would be reaching me. See, that's 100% my case. I'm on TikTok constant. and I'm watching ladies explain how to wear certain weird items of clothing in the 16th century. There's something for anyone out there. There's a server somewhere exclusively reserved for you and like nine other people because they're studying that portion of the algorithm. There's also this guy who has a regular series called What's in That Rock?

Where he finds a rock and he cracks it open and shows you what's inside. Anyways, what I was going to say is this, you're right when what you said Jarvis in the beginning of this, that we are all the same, this is nothing new. And I was trying to think of an old example

and I can't think of one, but the best I came up with is like when the Harlem Renaissance was happening in like, you know, post-World War I. Yeah. And all of these black jazz musicians and poets and like

artists were gathering in Harlem and like creating culture. And then people from other parts of New York would spend one evening in Harlem and then be like, oh, cool, daddy-o, or whatever. I don't know what their slang was, but whatever the slaying and culture. So one maybe example of this is, um, flyer cartoons. So this guy, Max Fleischer, he created Betty Boop and Popeye and other very famous cartoons. He was a Jewish man in New York who would go to Harlem Renaissance or Harlem Renaissance, go to Harlem Party, became friends with all of these jazz musicians and then would put them in his little animation.

So there's a famous Cab Callaway animation. of Minnie the mooture, whatever. And so it's a little less, it's a little more collaborative, maybe a little than this kind of example. But it's like that's how then the Harlem Renaissance culture permeated all of American culture and through writing and through recording of records.

And it's one of those things where it's like cool, but it's like we. still have to I think where we lose it a bit is when we like forget where we came from because then it's just like it's so easy to say oh well this is just how people are now this is just culture or whatever but in those instances sometimes it's like who's creating the culture and then who's commodifying it and who gets to profit off of it yeah and also like it's always tempting to kind of do do the reverse version of it where something like something in a culture changes or you get criticized on like less progressive elements of your culture as like an older

person and your instinct can be to be like well things are fucking changed back then it was actually good and it's like no back then we were just wrong but then it's like you know it was like cruel to do the bad things we did but like yeah but back then the culture was so different you know oh my we just use that word it's you know it's good there's a lot of that in the old survivor seasons um yeah there's only so much you can do i guess if you gave a hot cheeto a Victorian child, they would like pass away. Guys, when he gave a Sour Patch kid to a Victorian child, they'd be like, what is this?

You showed my iPhone 7 to a Victorian child, they'd be like, oh, what's this box? And we'd be like, box, it's an iPhone. That is something, I was like, I'm grateful that so much of my material as a kid, like my jokes, I could just steal, because no one would know. Oh, yeah. I was allowed to steal that from.

like a forum or something. Like me with kids. I would perform kids in the hall to my friends at lunch. I mean, you want to know how I got this Stewie Griffin impression? I don't know how I got this pod. Oh. He's holding the mic for you. You probably like that.

Cheers. He's not, he wants the mic. He has no grip strength. Yeah, he's a loser. I love you. I'm jealous. I want him to choose me. You guys see this?

You heard about this? Hey. J. Did you win? Is that who that was? Okay. You like him or? No.

You enjoy this? Look, I don't hate him, but I do think if you grow up in Burbank, you've seen him. Driving around in his little car. Which is why? He fixes up old cars. Which is why when you did that, I was like, Jay Leno? I was like, is that what I'm supposed to be getting from this? Would be devastating.

If you have a, you have like, uh, uh, uh, Decades of cultural, like, presence. And someone does an impression of you, and someone goes there? Yeah. Is that? Who is this thing? He was like a, we drove a car. I mean, that's like George Bush impressions, though.

We had a lot of cultural cachet in, uh, in strategy. Dude, that's true. I think there was, to be fair to Gen Z, a lot of the terms they use, at least have, like, some flexibility. So much of the stuff that would, like, get locked as vocal stems for us, I feel like would just, it was like, oh, it was like, oh, it was a thought. You couldn't use it somewhere else. Well, because. now there's TikTok sounds. Yeah, that's true.

You know what I mean? Like, we just didn't have that. One more, please. Hi, my sweet angel, baby. Who was that? Oh, my TikTok doctor says I have a touch of the tism. That's why I like wear my sleeves up like this. Okay, this is a fraction too familiar.

Hey, hey, hey, hey. This is the, the intersection between TikTok and self-diagnosing neurodivergence is something to be sure. That is one of those things where I am a bystander. I sit here and we're like, we'd love to hear some thoughts about that from people that think about it. Well, I was talking to one of our friends who's staying with me and I was talking about some ADHD stuff. And then she was like, I'm starting to get recommended these things that are like the memes where it's like specific ADHD things. And she was like, do I have ADHD? and while I didn't, I was like, I was like, that's not for me to say.

And she's like, I'm 34. I can't have another thing. And I was like, you can. But also, we had a conversation on the way to the Laker game where it started with, I'm going to tell you this thing. And then we got to the Laker game, 30 minutes, by the way. And I was like, okay, so what's the thing? And I didn't have the heart to tell her that conversation went in a very ADHD direction.

I do think. I do think TikTok has a bad case of diagnosing people without any credibility because there's a huge thing of being like, this person's a narcissist. I'm going to tell you why. And it's like that's actually happening with Love is Blind right now. Oh, it's funny because I recorded this whole video about Chris from Love is Blind. And at no point did I say anything about, I think I said he was drunk and he sucks. I was just like, and I think he's a bad person. I think you did say like, I'm not going to diagnose him because like that you can't diagnose someone without talking to them or knowing them.

Who fucking cares? Yeah. That's the other thing that I do think. I get the appeal of in theory, the idea that you could quickly use these five tips and tricks. Doctors hate him way of identifying like a guy. you shouldn't date because he fell inside of the box and now he is a narcissist. And it's like, yeah, you can also just be rude and a bad guy. I think nothing about the medical element changes maybe how your reaction should be.

I think when it comes to like diagnosing other people, there's some element of like there's a societal obsession with sociopath, psychopaths and things like that. You get it with like serial killers and stuff. And I wonder if it's like playing into that where where it's like fun to theorize and And if I were to put on my like, like, pseudo-psychological hat would be psychoanalysis hat would be like this, maybe this is something where it like is an instinct to protect, like, to protect the group from potentially like malicious. Like I'm like, what is this societal obsession with diagnosing people or assigning these labels? Then I wonder something like that. I think there's a safety or at least comfort in the idea that if you follow all of the rules and you do enough numbers, then you'll never date a bad person.

As opposed to like, you might have to find it in the cut a little bit. You might have to develop your own ability to read people or assess the situation. And instead it's like, wow, I just wish I had known that he was a number four. And then I could have just not talked to him. There's two things like, because there's like the like true crime effect of like if I watch. this, it will better prepare me in the world. And I've definitely felt that. And I felt that too.

And I have nothing to fear, six one and a half, by the way. But the, um, I just like pretending for a second that I wouldn't use my martial arts to defend myself. Exactly. Yeah. But then there's also separately from that labeling it, which is like a different, it feels like a different, but separate obsession. I just have to say a lot of the people that I've known with like a history of, uh, uh, toxic

mutually toxic relationships, usually wrap them up and tag it with a... Yeah, I think they had BPD. It's like, it's like very, really, uh, personal reflection on like what actually took place and much more like, it's just, it's just saying they're a Virgo. You know what I mean? It's just like a great, I can now, I'll make sure to remember to not date them. Well, so that's the thing. The value externally for labeling the stuff, very small.

The value internally, I actually think there is. There is, like, now there's actions because you can try to, you know, narrow down how to tackle maybe certain challenges that you have in your life. And, but externally, there's like no value to, because it's going from that direction, there's not a monolith of people with VPD, a monolith of people with ADHD, et cetera, et cetera. But there are like little breadcrum relatabilities. That's why you can say the, like, you can say relatable tweet and then, get a bunch of, you find the audience of people with ADHD and everybody, everybody likes it.

It is a, the, I will take issue with ADHD content, like posts about it. Like, relatable. So glad people have creative outlet and I think it's really cool that they're posting stuff. And I think it's poison and it is the least funny stuff on the entire planet. And I can't see it anymore. There's like a weird discourse on self-diagnosis too. I don't know how that's evolved because I'm not in those spaces, but maybe I have a superficial view here. But it's like, don't self-diagnose because you might seek like inappropriate treatment.

Yeah. It muddies the water. If you're self-treating as well. It's kind of like if you, if you, you know, it's like, I think if you do that a lot or at least like categorize yourself swiftly and other people like very swiftly. I'm maybe I'm just speaking for myself. I've been projecting, but I feel like if I indulge in like not critically thinking about something or just kind of accepting a falsehood or something like that,

as time goes on, it kind of calcifies. And I'm not like, yeah, I guess I am that. Like I can't remember what's real and what's fake and what's exaggerated. Cautionary tale, I have a friend who was taking antidepressants. And she was getting them from her. her general practitioner. Yeah.

Later on found out that those antidepressants were actually affecting her undiagnosed bipolar disorder. She went into a psychotic state manic episode and that's when she got diagnosed with bipolar. and the doctor was like, never, ever take this antidepressant, which I'm not going to name because I actually don't remember what it's called, and I don't want to fuck it up. And it's sometimes applicable, but it just is not in that case. And it's something that can trigger manic episodes. So I had it really.

Actually, wait, cautionary tale, mistake I made, I guess I'll say, is that I did, I didn't self-diagnose ADHD, but I got to the point of curiosity, partially because we talked about it, then partially because like some personal circumstances are changing. And so I, I, you're impregnated, would you say? I was ready with curiosity.

There we go. And a lack of dopamine release. And I went to a specialist, directly to a specialist and got tested there. Not a bad idea, if that available to you, but it was the one and only time at the time that I had ever just even looked into any kind of like mental health, behavior, condition, treatment, anything.

And as a result, I'd like over catered the situation. And what I should do is like the kind of more the annoying, laborious process of looking at the entire situation because then I went fucking crazy. Like I started, I started stimulants and I went fucking insane for like three months. And then my mom reached out to what is still my current psychiatrist seven years ago now. and I just got one appointment and just went, oh, you have bipolar too. It's like, you can't. Don't take these. Don't take this one.

He slapped it out of your hand. You need this other thing with or without the simulins. And then I was fortunate that just just immediately works. This is exactly what I still use now. But like I self-diagnosed, I just didn't, I didn't use musically at the time, I guess. You were looking at the whole situation, just maybe a tiny part of it. I think it was partially being a little tech brain to be fair. I was doing a lot of like, I got to optimize myself.

That's what I, that was me. I'm adjusting my sleep schedule into it, the three pattern day. Yeah, yeah. Polyphysic. I'm polyphasic. I'm insane. I think we maybe have a natural, I mean, obviously, neither of so vaccinated. But we have kind of like a, a, a, metaphorical vaccination.

I have a literal vaccination. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but like, we don't have to include this in a shot. We don't have to pretend. I would love to, actually. And I would love to say loudly and proudly, what? It doesn't do anything. I have. I drank the whole thing.

You don't do. Wait, what? You're not supposed to drink it. You took a vial. Yeah. You took a vial straight. One line of it. Right.

You did a line of the vial. Yeah, to trick them. It was a liquid or a powder. I don't know why we're so focused on this. My point is that it was the scam-demic. Okay. I just destroy the show, but turning out to be. Okay.

So before we wrap, I need you to see this Gavin Newsome clip. Oh, yes. Who I don't know about you. But I'm feeling like pretty too. Oh yeah, you pre-voted. Everyone's going to pre-vote. You cannot have any kind of scruples about what that happened over the next two years. You have to pre-vote for this guy.

I'm like, why are people already talking about voting for him? I don't understand that because like let there be a primary. Let there be light. Let, uh, let John Ossoff get some off too. Like, damn, shit. Well, and also like. I'm voting Biden. You're just Biden your time.

I saw, I saw Mamala might throw out into the race. Oh, he looks siffy. That's a really unflattering lighting. He's spalpid. He's giving palpidatee. He's giving falpid teacin, actually. The, um, uh, what does he look so small?

What does he look like? He looks like a, he looks like an elder tomato. It looks good though. The lighting also aged him immensely. It is unflats. Larrying to say the least is he normally he mocks is the thing he usually will mock people is like and so like and that's to his credit but like he he's got clabs vote right he's got clavs vote um I do have a suggestion for anyone I mean it's

giving pursuit of power in light of like you know the like a ideology jervis clock it thank you that pot for anyone wishing to run for office become a CEO, be a big Hollywood director, anything like that. Look like this and you'll win. Stop fucking slicking your hair back. You look like a super villain. Evil cartoon. I mean, Tim Robinson said, you slick your hair back, you're a piece of shit.

And that is absolutely true. We were just looking up a director who I won't name, but his hair was slicked back. And I'm like, that guy's a fucking piece of shit. It is. I don't know anything about him. It is a little kind of like, it took. A lot of... His name is Harry Slickback.

We should have known. But there is a little bit of like, isn't the point of hiring all of these like staffers who, uh, don't know what a Photoshop file is to correct you on like what is obviously bad optics? Yes. Like they can't, uh,

convert a PDF, but they can at least be like, hey, you look, you look like Logan Roy. Yeah. Don't do that because it's a show about how bad the guy is. So maybe if I got this image of Gavin Newsom.

I'm American Psycho from American Psych. He is Jacked. He's so cool. I'm Tyler Durd and I didn't finish the movie. I'm Rick. Actually, yeah, he's got to give it. Like, I do feel like. I'm Rick's and Jess.

They're all super villains. And I guess they want people to know that with their hair cut. That's true. So it's nice to give us a clue. Gavin Newsom, Governor of California. Normal man. Just relatable. like you and Maine. Let's watch him being normal.

So this is, he's, he's talking to, I actually don't know what event this was, but I think it was in Atlanta. It's the mayor of Atlanta, I believe. Or governor. I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to impress you.

I'm just trying to impress upon you. I'm like you. I'm no better than you. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Why is he speaking? with full stops.

He's speaking with, um, I'm like you stop. I'm no better than you stop. He's also, uh, his book is fucking huge. It's like a torso size. The better than person.

It must be full of so many ideas. Um, or are they really small. Oh, well, we've kind of established. They're kind of small. What is,

the name of his book is infuriating. I can't, what the hell is it again? It's your. I think it's young, man in a hurry. That's it. Yeah. Disgusting. And so am I.

Young man in a hurry to tank the general election. I love him and his hair's good. He's kind of got a business at the front and at the back mullet somehow. Where's the party? It's like his hair is like slicked back round two or something like in the back.

It's like it's a it's hairy slick back to electric blue. It's like it's like He's like sligoo. I'm sure he's really fast. Like, like aerodynamic. Yeah.

He's got the spoiler on his. Oh, that's right. I forgot. And yeah. So this is a book event, and it's a conversation with the Atlanta mayor, Andre Dickens. Can we find what he says before that? Because I do, I would like to have a little more context. The only thing I know is that it is like a diverse crowd than like kind of the right was letting on.

They were doing the, you know, whatever. But it is not how do people think this kind of shit is relatable? God, it's just the same guy. Just looking at him now. It's just the same guy. We've got a few years. So we'll see how this like there's there's a lot of hopefully people who will throw their hat into the ring and we'll have more interesting discussions. But I do find it annoying that people are like, well, I'm just going to pull myself.

I'm just going to suck it up and vote for them. I'm like, we have not, so hold on, there is a democratic process to be at here. He's actually, and you're not going to believe this, not running for president. But like his whole thing is he's been like kind of positioning himself in this like kind of dark woke, like anti-Trump type thing where he posts like Trump voice or does like press releases in all caps where he's like. He's poning him. He's monging him. Yeah, he's trying to he's trying to maug him in the marketplace of ideas. Um, and it's, look, it's a, it's a much more nuanced like, political.

political discussion that I think I want to have today. But I do want to say that like politicians work for us. Yeah. At the end of the day. Supposedly. In theory. That's what they're supposed to do. We need to force them to remember that.

You're going to keep them accountable because they work for you. It can't be that every time they come in, they don't do any work and they shit on the floor. There's a Jared Kushner quote, like in Trump's first presidency where he talks about how like the American public is like their customer. and it's like, no, no, no. You're the servant. You're supposed to be the public servant. That's how this is supposed to work.

Nah. Nah, I won. I'm in the winning team. So I'm the king. I won you. Okay, I found it. Oh, you did? Perfect.

And this is, by the way, this is the, we are not journalists. This is the journalistic integrity of us trying to find a lick of context. Yeah. Actually trying. Yeah. The opportunities and privilege, but what it also took away and who I was becoming. And my mom saw that. She saw those cracks in that mask.

And she challenged me. And, you know, and, and so it's stories before. What's he do? What is this? What's this motion? It's like he's twisting the dial. Be like, you like me more? And I'm with, dial it.

I'm good now. Clock it. Dialing. He's, it's, he's been like that, right? It's the weirdest. I've done, I've done that before. I can't tell you why I've done it. Well, it makes me think of like, my mother tweaked me.

Yeah. Yeah, she opened up. The hatch in my back. Weirder. Weirder. More weird interests. All right. Let's see.

About resilience, redemption. Okay. It's a story about humility and grace. Okay. I think it's a very human story. I'm not trying to be someone. I think it's something like a living guy would write. Right.

It's something that really tells a story that many warm-blooded individuals would understand. It's not really a skin walker's book. What really blooded individuals in general? What I'm understanding is. understanding is that he used to not be acting like himself and his mom called him out on it. And so he decided to be himself. Which is a chatbot made a politician. All right.

I can't do that anymore. That's why he speaks with M-Dashers because he is AI. I say to kids all the time, learn from, don't follow others. Say that to kids. You know, your expression's unique. Nobody else has it. Okay. And I've really just, you know, the way we're doing, some of you may have seen some of my social media.

Okay. Yeah. You know. Oh, dude, get his ass. Maybe you. I'm on the other.

It's like when Post Malang goes, I made a little song called White Iverson. Woo! Oh my God. Oh my God. We love that stuff.

We love the meme you posted. That was epic. You posted Success Kid and then said, 2028 much. Yes. So this is him saying, I'm just like you.

I'm on the other side. He's getting there. He's, okay, so he's going to, He's talking about his sort of dark, woke, edgy approach to calling out Mr. Presidente. And I mean, I think Anna says you oversimplified it.

You know, the nuance there is that he used to, and he did something, right? And then what, and then you can do anything? And he could do you so much, essentially. And then, you know, eat er, eat, er. I'm a ghoul, eater, I'm a demon. They're all demons, by the way. I mean, yeah, it's just a thing.

I mean, look, I. The demon that inhabits my body is different than the demon that inhabits his body. Also, too, I think a lot of people talk about Gavin Newsom. Like, our relationship with Gavin Newsom is not just as like from base. Yeah, we've disagreed with things he's actually done. This is not like a guy that just dropped out of nowhere. He's the governor of our state in which many of us have lived for a decade plus.

And yeah, it's like so you just, it's not, it's not about like a team sports thing. It's about I don't like how you feel about homeless people. You brought me a turd on a plate. You didn't bring me, I'm not, it's not like, I don't want to try to eat food. He's like, he's like a, he's like a, can we ship the homeless people away Democrat? You know what I mean? Like, which is like, if you think that's a, uh, something that he shouldn't be held accountable for, like, I don't know what to tell you. I think it's naivety in some cases, people thinking like that Gavin Newsom.

He's not the safe choice. Finally, someone's taking, taking Trump to task. He's owning him online. Well, that's the thing. It's just like, he'll really own him in the debate for a presidency he can run for. discussion if it's like if he does get the nomination but it's very fatalistic to just be like acting acting like he's already won yeah like oh it's it's the votes between him and Trump and it's like you don't know that like Bernie for example entered uh 2016 like super

late and and still like ruined Hillary's chances no but like he like had an impact for example People connected with it. Right. So it's like I, on the side of optimism, hope to find a better candidate in the intervening years that we have. And this is, it's just so like to be enthusiastic about an establishment,

a mover shaker career politician, because they are such a trap Movershaker career politician that this aesthetic you think is appealing to a large mass of people. He is like a Lego politician. Like his hair is bolted on. It's dated.

It's like, It's operating on the default lines in a political environment that no longer exists. This guy no longer reads to the people you need to compel as trustworthy, interesting, relatable, compelling, helpful. I'm talking about your particular political element, but he is like repulsive. Is Gavin Newsom's in his 60s? I mean, he looks really good. If you dropped him in 1992, he'd win in a heartbeat.

I do you feel like his hair is slicked back in order to hairline mug the other like 60 year olds. He's 58. 58. So he's getting there. Yeah. It'll be 60 many runs, which he. I do think he does have the age advantage because people. 80 years.

Yeah. People keep talking about like we just can't have another old man. Well, yeah. But then it's also like, I think that. Speaking of the age advantage, there are going to be younger people than 60 as well. That's what I'm saying is that by the time the election actually happens, he'll be 60. With some like cultural mobility, some agility. I do think you have to have a very cynical kind of 2016-esque interpretation of Americans in general,

like a pretty patronizing view of people and how like you basically to unconditionally really, really buy-in on cynical choices like Gavin Newsom. And we're not saying, Gavin Newsom shouldn't run, couldn't run, wouldn't run. It was saying like, well, by the time he gets there, let's make sure he understands his constituents better. Because he is doing something that like, again, is intuitive to a certain generation that's no longer applicable. But like, thinks you're a fucking idiot. Yeah. He thinks you're so incredibly stupid and can be wielded.

This is all manipulation. Also in the interest of like public servitude, like you want to kind of whip these politicians into like doing the things that you care about. And so it's like you shouldn't provide support before they offer a compelling argument as to why you should support them. Exactly. How many compromises would you have to make to the point where it's like, okay, well now I actually don't support. It's kind of like when like Zoron was running for mayor and he would talk about like Busset,

every, he would always steer back to like the policies that he wants to instance. for New Yorkers rather than being like orange man bad I'm red man I'm better than man that's over there yeah let's watch a little more of this and try and understand well no no because we're going somewhere and you guys haven't seen I unless you've seen the clip then you guys don't know where this is building and I and so so this is building to somewhere beautiful and incredible so he's on the side and he's side and you know he was something but now he isn't or he is so after we watch this we'll be like yeah go do you see what you just did I'm getting it do you see see what you just did. It's giving. You just discovered, you just discovered the reason.

Would you call it dial? After we turn that dial, don't turn that dial. We're coming back after the few messages or whatever. There's a sponsorship here. That was an old thing you used to say on television back when there were dials. Don't touch that remote. Yeah, there we go. That's what they say now. Yeah. Don't touch that. Don't tap away. Come back. We are needing all of it. I just wanted to put it all out there. I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to impress you. I'm just trying to impress upon you, I'm like you. I'm no better than you. You know, I'm a 960 SAT guy. And, you know, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, you know, trying to act all there if you got 940. But literally a 960 SAT guy. I cannot, you've never seen me read a speech because I cannot read a speech.

He's dyslexic, right? Maybe the wrong business to be in. You know, my dyslexia, I haven't overcome dyslexia. I'm living with it. You know, I was the guy in the back of the classroom and my head down just... So the reason this went viral

is, it's like a talk in Atlanta. And he's talking to this second person, you. And it's unclear because he's being so vague who he's talking about. And it sounds like... Like he's saying to an audience of black people, I'm just like you. I got a 960 SAT.

What's a good SAT? Well, it depends on what era of the SAT. So the SAT is out of 1600 again, I think. It was out of 2,400 for a brief window time in which I took the SAT because they added a writing essay section that was another 800 points. A good SAT score, good. Like to get into like Ivy League schools, you generally have like. like a 1600 or like a 1580 or whatever.

But it's gamable because you can take like, you can take SAT prep courses like that. It's a pay to win. You learn how to take a test. You learn to take a test. You still have to like, you know, it's like even if you learn, you still have to execute. But I would say that like,

I wanna say average is meant to be like a thousand. Okay. Or something. I think that I could be wrong. Um, but like 1350 is like a good score. Like I think I had like a something around there like 1350ish. It is weird as a 58 year old man to remember. But I only took it.

I, that was like my first. I didn't take any prep courses. I took it one time. I feel like no matter who the audience is, it's weird to say, I'm like you. I got a bad score in school and I can't read because it's like your audience probably. probably is very. Also the average, especially if it's a largely black. If it's in predominantly, 60% black Atlanta.

You got the dogs out. Who? But then also on top of that, the average person doesn't think about their SAT scores. I cannot remember what my actual SAT score was. Well, I had to ask you what a good one is, because I took it twice. I don't remember. I was like a, I knew I had a decent score, but not an amazing. I was like a national achievement scholar, which is like,

if you're like a minority and score decently well on the SAT but I wasn't a national merit scholar which is like you have to get like a really close to like close to the max wrong gets a trophy I don't who fucking I don't I can't fucking remember

I think I mean I'm you know I'm sure he's he's a shrewd enough mover shaker to like not explicitly you know I'm sure if called on it'd be like oh this is actually a large relatively diverse audience and I was doing so and so whatever But I think the thing that this stands out as, to me, is not quite in the same realm as the classic Mitt Romney, who let the dogs out, who-hoo. He does give Mitt Romney.

He does that. He's very Romney go. And there is a like, this piece is exactly what we were saying. It's like, Darth Mitt. It's like he is saying, hey, I'm not like what you think I am. I'm actually stupid. Like it's like, like you guys. He's like, look.

The average American is kind of. Yeah, look, I mean, I'm like you. We didn't have a Mercedes-Benz S class. We had a Dodge Chargers. And it's like, okay, a lot of you, I mean, that's not like a, that's a reasonably expensive car for most people still. We had to lease our car.

You may think we're like up there, but we actually had to lease a $90,000 car. Also, sometimes people just don't take the SAT. I do think that it has worked in the past when presidents who are campaigned, have been like, I'm just like you. You know, it's like Clinton playing the saxophone and, and George W. Bush being like, I'm just a, I'm just a country guy.

And it's like, okay, well, your father was in the CIA and then he was president. I'm just a country guy with a 700 generations of wealth. And so I do think it does, in a sense, work. I think even Trump did this where he was like. like, I'm just like you. I'm one of the guys we could hang out. He's one of the, right-leaning populism is like always kind of the same statement, which is just, you could actually get a beer with me.

And it's this like mythical version of the president. Oh, that was such a whether, it's probably died at this point in society. But what I could have a beer with him. It was such an institutional thing about the presidential race. It's in Hamilton. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I could have a beer with him like it was a whole thing and during like George Bush I feel like was like the last president

Where it was like I can have a beer with it. He was a C student actually George Bush did the same thing He was he was like I was a C student but it was like you were at like Yale. Yeah, he went to fucking Yale Through your like dad's connections because he was fucking president. Yeah and he was like a drunk I don't think he was like doing that as cool because he was a meido Which is awesome. It is really funny to be like I'm like you. I'm like you. I'm like you. I'm like a drunk. I don't think he's like doing. I'm like you. I'm like a little bit. I'm like you. I'm like a little. I'm like you. I'm fucking morrow. I can't, like, it's so weird. He's also like dyslexic, which kind of, if that's the message he's trying to put out, isn't that kind of, one of those kind of two things a little incompatible?

Like he's like, look, I'm just like you. I didn't do amazing, but you have a completely separate reason. You have like, yeah, it's like, are you, you're not talking to a room full of people with dyslexia. Yeah. Like, like, thanks to a very specific neurological condition. to most people, I almost look as stupid as you guys that are bad to study. People might mistake me for someone of your intelligence. But the truth is, like, this whole, I could have a beer with him, propaganda,

never accounts to the fact that he would never have a beer with you. Yeah, he would never. You could, but he would have a- He would choose not to. Secret Service blow your fucking head off. The moment that you're like, Madello? Yeah. Do you small beers?

We're going to go head over to Sad Boys Nights where I'm going to probably talk a lot about Survivor. we're going to play bandel we're going to play all our daily games that we like to play we like to play we like to play and I'm going to remember it this time I'm going to remember what it's called and it's called and it's the ranking game

and and I remember it it's not called uncharted it's not called uncharted it's not called unranked it's it's not called distractible that's a podcast I think that markup pliers yes sir I think I know disorderly yes sir

speak yeah I also might force you guys to listen to me rant about women's sports. Oh, are you talking hockey? Talking hockey. Talking hockey, talking Cash Patel celebrating with the Olympic team. Yeah. Like he was on it.

So we'll put the gold medal on him and he's like biting it like he fucking won that shit. I mean, I like, you know, people make fun of Cash Patel for his personality and his actions, but to be fair, he's very ugly. I like him or whatever. He is giving like Gavis. Evan Newsom palette swap petite version.

He's the charmander to his charmedder. He's like the charmander. He's the shiny charmander. All right, well, we had every episode of Saddways with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry. Ooh.

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