Sad Boyz - Gen Z Is Old Now

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings, and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. Brother. Oh, what's up? How's it going? Dude, I'm so bad. I feel terrible.

I just want to get that out of the way. All right. What are we doing now? I'm so tired. We're a little slow. I'm epe. I'm sleepy. I'm dreamy.

And I don't even fucking evolve into Drakloak until level 63. I actually... When does... I actually don't know... It's still 6.3. I don't know. When does, can you look up Dreepy evolution levels?

Do you ever get that thing where like you are very drowsy and feeling? Level 60, Dragon Bolt. Dragopold at 50, Dragopold at 60. Oh, six? I don't know. Five, six. Peel to the year.

Seventy-9. We're mentioning it mainly just because we went to, we went to the Lakers game, what? Like a fire. We went to the Lakers Mavs game. And every single time. Do they call it a jumbo tron or a basketball game or is that the domain of the football?

Okay. I think, I mean, that's what I would call. Every time the panopticon camera would seek and find, like, a kid dancing, they would just be doing normal fun kid stuff, and then that eyes rolled back in their head and they instantly start going. Because what are you supposed to do? Like, there is a point when you have a camera on you, this has never happened to me, but just from observing Jumbotron videos over the years, there's like a first few seconds. that's like really cute and then when they hold the camera you go all right what are we doing here

I don't have another three seconds of entertainment of material it's honestly very validating to see other people anxious about dead air yeah because they're hitting like and then they like poke their wife

and they're like yeah you just start like doing a TikTok day or a Fortnite dance how are you though enough about me how are you well I was I was gonna ask Um, when you are drowsy, because I, I, I don't even evolve into hypno until level 41.

And then, look up when drowsy evolves into hipno. When you're peach you, okay. 41 is it, it's, I said 41 or 27. Those are my two options. 26. Oh, it was six or seven. Yeah, six seven. You fucked it up, but like, do you have a typical pattern of why and how or is it the old dice roll, wait, what the hell I went to bed, but I woke up tired? It's a little bit wait, what the hell? Part of it is that I woke up early because I was supposed to have a meeting this morning. But then I got a text that that person's meeting was going late.

And then I didn't want it to bleed into podcast recording. So we rescheduled the meeting. But I was still like in this drowsy, hypno, a snooze, unsnoze type situation. Caridosy. And it, yeah, in and out of lucidity. Did you go back to? Back to Kip at all after meeting moved? I wanted to, but I was afraid that I think that is the dangers.

I was afraid because Jacob and Anastasia were coming over to set up and I needed to like clean some stuff off and so I just never really got my bearings and it's all my doing. It feels like a little bit like getting into a movie after the first 15 minutes and it's like maybe you were late or maybe the traffic was bad or like just maybe you had to figure something else out but you turn up and you're like okay I'm not gonna get it I'm not gonna understand everything as much as everyone else is there's just no way but uh so he's Luke Skywalker he's like a Star Wars or something this happened to me like in college in high school

like whenever I had work to do I would like suddenly get tired it'd be like oh my body actually wants to shut down and that is like a little bit how I feel right now not because of the But because this week is just so busy. It's mental. And there's so many things to be doing. And the thought of it makes me anxious. Like I was at a friends giving type thing last night. And where you trade friends.

Yeah, yeah, well, you give them away. That's nice. Yeah. It's actually not. Yeah. It's not about money. It's not giving. Yeah. But, but, and then I looked at, I was talking to, um, friend of the show, Emma Langevin.

and Emma was like, oh, we have the same social schedule this week. And it was like, we have this thing tonight. She said it like, this thing tomorrow night. We got this thing tonight. Yeah, yeah. In the Jersey, I can't, I can't even do. I'm worried. They were like, I'm walking here, okay?

You're walking. Me's got events to do. If you catch my drift. If you catch my drift. And when Emma laid it out, I was like, oh, no, you're right. and I had even forgotten Like there's a point Where Emma was like

Oh yeah And then we got this tomorrow And I was like Oh You're right And I didn't even I had something else In my calendar

For that time slot tomorrow And now there's even more No And then it just keeps going Until the weekend And then it But then it happens And each

Each beat These are things For the most part I want Right So it's not It's all It's all good problems, maybe.

It's all champagne problems. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's but I say, I say, like, I, I'm very grateful for if I'm a little burned out, but I wouldn't mind a little socializing. I think someone else's birthday is the perfect venue. Mm-hmm. Because the focal point is never and should never be on you. Yeah. And.

And there is enough of an obligation to get my feet moving, which is what I need to make my brain move to make me get in the car, to make me go to the thing, like the momentum is there? Right. But if you're ultra-epe, you're at peak-eep, and it's like, okay, Thursday at 4, there is a long meeting. I think that is the peak, because it's not the end of the day, so you haven't shut down. You can't even have a silly, sleepy meeting. You need to be on and ready to rock. but you also know that you're not going to be at your best, but you also know you kind of have to be

because everyone else is going to be not at their best. That's a no-no. If someone invites me, like, oh, then we're getting dinner at like seven or something. Or I'm just like, when I would like call back to the UK a lot, I'd be like, okay, I know I'm talking to my on it. We're going to call it like 8 a.m. Now that is a perfectly reasonable tide off at a phone call, and yet because there was a thing coming up,

It'd be like 6 p.m. the day before, I'd be like, I don't know if I can do this. Oh, dude. I don't know if I can figure out a way to. I've been in a little combo of a combo streak of the night before remembering, being like, ah, I can finally relax. And then immediately getting anxious because I need to be asleep, because I need to be up early for the next thing. There's a ADHD related behavior, I guess, about like. the anxiety that comes from knowing about upcoming plans,

like something on the horizon, which is nothing to do with like the actual pressure. Yeah, I don't know if that has a name, but it's like the thing where if you have like a meeting at 3 p.m., you don't do anything before the meeting, and then after the meeting you're like, well, that was exhausting. And then I'm late. Yeah.

I'm like anxious about it for the five hours. Yeah, exactly. Oh, whoops, rats. So even in this conversation, you mentioned a birthday party, and we're going to a birthday party tonight. And then I just realized that I don't have a gift. so now there's more What about what we're doing right now?

Our presence is a present is what you're saying This podcast We gifted this is a gift This is a gift, that's true This is Thanksgiving But it's not their birthday Got to be what other birthday? Someone in there

If it's your birthday Don't care We got you Oh sorry, yes Happy birthday Never mind Hey happy birthday Helena

Oh okay I was gonna go with Joe That's cover the lamp You want to throw a name out there Martina Nevertelova Who's that She's the old tennis player Maria Sharapova

I'll go with Jacob Every birthday, Jacob Thank you Oh no no No one Emma Radicanu She's a current tennis player

I think that's her name Rackett's Spinoruni Remember the racketeurs The band with Jack White Oh my God, I do A Rackanteau Yeah

I had a huge white stripes phase And I don't think it was Anything to do with the music I think it was like You just liked white stripes I think that was, I really liked bright white stripes. And I hate black stripes. Oh, you were in jail or you were French?

I was, ooh, I've said, ooh, la la, let me out of jail. Okay, so we're both doing bad. But wait. Superman does bad. We're not doing well. We are, hold on. I'm manifesting positive energy, okay? I'm in my mind palace.

I fell asleep. Do you see Trump fell asleep in a meeting? That's kind of his martial art these days. Dude, that's going to be me. I'm going to fall asleep on a podcast. Wait, we were we talking last week about, I don't even think it was on Mike the idea of like a glorious golden age of sad boys where we're just on drugs. Oh, and it's like four amazing episodes. And then it would be like, this is, this is horrible and sad.

It's over. There's nothing. Just we're drunk. It's so fun. Doesn't it make you kind of? I'm going to say something that I actually don't agree with. We don't do. We're not on.

any drugs that I don't condone we're not on any non-prescribed drugs don't you think about like Elvis being constantly pumped full of uppers to get him on stage he was a really good of music but don't sometimes it's like God that'd be nice

like I was gonna say that's kind of how it feels to get out of bed in the morning I feel like I kind of wish there was like a guy who could like come to my house like a doctor Conrad Murray right Like, who could just, like, dump water on my face and then leave.

David Cawkins. You've talked about this before. I know. I'm calling back. You want a professional to wake you up. But I don't want him to talk to me or look at me. I think I want it to go into a closet when he's done and never. I want him to stare at a wall.

I want him to fall back in like a Murphy bed. I need one of those Tesla robots. Oh, wait. A Tesla truck. Can you please play the Instagram that I put in the group chat? All right, grandma. How else you want to phrase that? Can you put my iPad on the download, please?

I just wanted to be specific. My nephew was showing me how to use the iPad. Because I think this is what you need. Damn. You shmoving. He's got dad jeans. What if every morning he came out of a closet towards your bed? I would, I think he should like, okay, he should come out of a closet.

He should grab me by the neck and then lift me out of my bed. And then say, your day begins now. Eye robot. And then this. music starts playing. He starts dancing around holding you along. He has like a he has like a super Mario sunshine like water pump behind him and he just like shoots me in the face with the water. He jumps above you and then shoots the jet down. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so. Oh, if you could take me out of my bed into a tub. When I was a young boy, my father took me into the city to see a marching band.

No, when I was when I was a few, only a few years ago, I felt like it was difficult to do bipedal robots. and now they're dancing. What the fuck is that? I feel like I get an update on the dancing element every year. Can we do like hospital stuff? I know there's like a soccer playing robot and it's like, do we need that?

We had flipping, like we had that backflip dog puppy thing 20 years ago. You know, it's like, and to play devil's advocate because I love to advocate for the devil. He's evil. I understand that half the time those things are like, they're like little, they're small proof of concept type problems that cover some of,

some of the, like, the progress that we need to make in order to drive to these, like, larger accomplishments. Look how good its mobility is, like, gyroscope that keeps it from falling over. Yeah. But then I'm just like, okay, but like, can we have one that's like a big scalpel that does surgery? Yeah. Jordan and I had a, had a boys night. We did, yeah.

Last week when we went to the Laker game, it was nice. We, like, had some little solo boys time. We went to a little sports bar. We, like, sat at the bar. the bartender was like flirting with us both at the same time so that it was cute and not weird yeah you know it was nice it was cool it was very nice and then we were watching sports and i was telling jordan lore about college football teams and jordan was telling me lore about ufc it's very sweet a bloke it was like it's kind of like a podcast but like sometimes you got to do that shit in private

you know yeah swap this out for an old-fashioned uh and then we we went to the laker game and who are the boys that you saw we saw oh I mean where do we start most talented three-year-old I've ever seen we had we had yeah the most talented infant child Austin Reeves he's a perfect little baby boy um most talented I go on the field we had we had we had Luca we had Lucas we had King James not LeBron like King James from the Bible the sixth I believe as a as a his addition of the Bible um and then very early on it was Jordan's first basketball game babies first babies first I was like, what the hell is that? It was the player.

And I do feel like, being big. There was some really, like, hype moments. Like, there was a Luca Love to LeBron, like, Alleyoop dunk, like, very early in the game. And that's, like, something that you're going to tell your kids about. Yeah, you, like, don't see that every day. And so it was a huge, like, Jordan was like, oh, we like all popped off. It was great.

It was really fun. I think it was a compliment to a lot of stuff we like. I think we are so, I don't speak for both of us, but like we travel very well together, I think, because we know each other's like vibes and preferences. Yeah. And I think this was a- You fit one suitcase too. I think we, like, if one of our energy is even a little different than the other,

I feel like we adapt pretty quickly without it feeling, personally, I feel like it isn't especially forced. It's more like, oh, this is the tempo of this song. Oh, and now I'm switching this one. I'm switching scale. like it there wasn't a whole lot going on in my day before they no there was oh my god yeah you were you were like i i think it was like especially nice because that week was uh there were some like private life stuff going on it was the end of a really up there kind of week of um helping with and

stress and stress yeah and so i was like the whole time i was like really just hoping that you'd be able to make the game because i was like if we can just do this this will be so good to be able to have like a nice thing that's not that's not stressful it felt like getting uh uh when you hear anecdotes of like we got to get a babysitter for the kids so we can have date night right we got we got to we got to keep this keep this relationship alive and then we had it and it was like yeah purely unconditional fun time shout out to the lady sat to our left oh yeah who you you explain this because i okay so i don't know what this was but you know there were there was a couple sat to the left of jordan and myself and when jordan went to the bathroom

uh which ruled he's always a peeing bastard or whatever i was checking i was going on the the woman like was making like an uncomfortable amount of eye contact like like unbroken eye contact where she was like with you mm-hmm and she was like it's just it's so crazy we're sat next to you guys why i my thoughts exactly. And so, and so I was like, oh, is this like a person who's like familiar with us from something? But they never came out and said that. And so then I'm in a position where I don't want to assume. And so I'm just like, yeah. I mean, on a cosmic level, she is right. Out of every single person that's ever existed out of all of time, what are the chances? Yeah. That's pretty crazy. On a, you're at a basketball.

well, game, where every seat is taken. You're going to probably be sat next to someone. Yeah, I was so, I was so confused. But we were flanked by then the cutest baby ever who was locked in. They were hitting the same stare. Yeah, and it was awesome. Except they were like, there's a point where. They were loving Java, the side of Jarvis's head.

There is a point where the baby, like, kind of jetted its arm out, and it kind of just, like, did this to me. And I was like, this is awesome. I could take this baby. So you know what, you understand me now. I'll give it a roast. No, I'd never say such a thing. If we extrapolate on this to like, yeah, I'm getting lunch with this baby. But it's like when a bait, when you're like meeting up for lunch with a baby and they're so excited to see you, they're like, you know, there's recognition there or they're just like, well, you know, giggling.

Or they're just doing like, I'll be a baby. I'm drunk They are kind of just drunk Like all the time They act like a drunk person I am Meeting with a baby Later this week

Yeah I was like What time should I be there I know you gotta stop Yeah we've got this high pressure week We've got you know when you've got a meeting With a baby like 4 p.m. I did I have been describing my week to people And I am including

I've got to meet a baby You gotta be ready I gotta meet a baby Because I'm meeting the stands as baby Baby Stans Baby Stans Rochelle Rochelle is the

strongest woman alive and she birthed a human and they are now at home and the funniest thing with Stans was like I'm free he's like I'm pretty free this week

and I'm like no you're not well that's because he doesn't sleep yeah yeah I don't he I'm like I know what he meant but like it's just funny the way he first did

I've always pictured Nate recovering energy by sitting on one of those like Roomba charging discs and just sits for a while and like I assume it's going on rhymezone.com

and just looking at near rhymes to different words. I need a rhyme and it's the time. And it's the time. That's a little joke for the people familiar with Stan's in his unique

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Give us your sub-heart. Terms and conditions are fun. Oh, another thing that happened at the Lake Game, which is, it was just fun. It's just like when a random strange, like something crazy happens and then a random stranger pops off and then daps you up. Like, that was like, that, that happened. It was very, it was very smooth. The guy right in front of us popped off.

It was like, yeah. And then turned around to you, let's go. Yeah, I was like, yeah, let's do it, dude. It was, uh, I like, I love stuff like that because I think that's like premium dude stim. It is. And I, and I feel like, I'll get the usual. And they bring you the right drink. It makes me feel like I'm passing as a guy.

I'm like, nobody knows. I'm like, oh, this is like crazy. They don't even know I'm a soy boy. It's like, no, but like, as. As someone who didn't grow up with like a father figure. Yeah, being there's a certain insecurity about dude approval or like being a dude in a dude space. Not that basketball is a dude space, but in that zone of a dude turns around to dab me up. I'm in dude.

I have to go dude mode. It is sometimes nice to be welcomed in, I guess, a little bit. Yeah. Like until I was older, I didn't realize that I was always definitely like more conscientious about seeking the approval of the men in my life than anyone. Oh, definitely. And now all the in retrospect, I'm like, oh, it's because I wanted to be like, dude validated because I didn't, you know, same position. Which is like, that's a, that was the precursor to dude perfect.

Yeah. It was just being validated. Going like, well, you missed, but that was a really nice shot, man. That was really close. It's like the, or like as they're coming up with the name for it, they're like, the attempt fellows, no, the try guy. Give it a swingers. Hmm, dude validated.

No, dude perfect. Dude, perfect. Dude, I'd rock. You saw Clay Bay, former warrior, current Maverick. We did see, we did see, we did see Meg the Stallions Bay, Clay Thompson, and he, you know, he's not in his peak of his career right now. And there were a few moments that I was like, please, I was like rooting for him to not be embarrassed. But he's actually, like, after that game, he had like a crazy scoring performance. So I'm like, Clay still got it.

He's, like, way better than me of basketball. I believe that. Close. No, I mean, like, twice as good. Also, we saw Cooper Flagg, who's a young baby. Yeah, one of the most talented Adams I've ever seen. One of the most talented embryos in history. Yeah, he's so, he's such a young boy.

Youngest, second youngest player to ever play in the NBA. You're the youngest person ever. Yeah, that's literally... That would be huge. Speaking of young people, Gen Z ain't anymore. This is cool. This is a sass I haven't seen you kind of throw around before. I'm just kidding.

They're totally young. It just seems like Gen Z is freaking out about being old now. You switched up on the sassiness. It happens to the best of us. I will say, though, that like I've endured years of Gen Z like pointing at me and calling me old and I'm like oh now you're it's a little interesting now huh getting getting older how it how how you couldn't have predicted this would happen to you as well who's unc now jarvis had a recent um uncleing i was re instagram story where you showed the first time you saw childish gambino

because i went to camp flognaw and saw childish gambino and it didn't really connect like i didn't really connect how important it would be to me and then I like kind of was going back on memory lane because there was a few he I think he did like a fan voted set list and oh shit and so some of the songs that he played were like extremely old songs like he played freaks and geeks which is like old but famous but he also played like do you like which is like a song from cold his like 2010 album before freaks and geeks and stuff like that and um and i uh was so surprised and i was like in this minority of people who well like me and isaiah were popping off but like i was in this minority of people he was like oh there's some like old heads and i'm like yeah i guess so

and then i posted another photo that i had that was me and donald glover that i took when i was like a teenager. And I couldn't remember exactly where that photo was taken. I just knew roughly the year it was taken. So then I went into my email and I found the receipts for the Charles Gambino concerts that I went to. And I went to like three or four within like a year span around like 2011, 2012. And the ticket prices, these were small venues in Atlanta in Athens, but the ticket prices were like 15 to 30 dollars and so people were like oh my god like these are so cheap but i'm like what you have to understand is like yes they're cheap yes concerts are expensive now as well but also if you go see a small artist the ticket price is cheaper then he didn't he was playing

smaller venues had a smaller following back then like the it's like a ticket was also generally cheaper relative to other lifestyle well it's like if you go see a sad boy's live show for for example, the ticket price is not going to be $100. $500? It's like, we should do $200. Yeah. And so that's what I'm saying. It's like if, and I consider myself a small artist like Childs Campino.

I would consider myself big a name for sure. But no, it's like so that is the, it's like those types of shows still exist, but this artist that is big now was once small. Like for example, Drake played, Drake opened for Lupe Fiasco at the University of Florida when I was in high school. And the tickets were $5. Wow. I didn't go to that concert. but I heard about it. But you got a bunch of comments on your posts.

But I got a bunch of comments and everybody's pointing me and calling me on, calling me old. And I'm like, hey, you know, that's true, I guess. But it's all relative. Like, I'm young in the grand scheme of things. I would hopefully have a lot of life left. But when you, when you're younger, if someone's even a couple years older than you, they seem so much older. Yeah, you operate on cousin math for a good few years. Yeah.

The cousin that was born nine months before you or like, you're just like, oh, wow, are you 40? I don't understand. Yeah, or it's like if you have a, if you're like 18, you're a high school senior and you have a 12 year old younger brother, that is a big difference until you get older and then it's a small difference. You're both in your 20. Because of the relativistic nature of time. Yeah.

I just very specific opinion on aging or at least the experience of it so far. I'm not at all bothered by my age going up. That is pretty arbitrary to me. It's only what, like, actual faculties change and stuff like that. And I feel like at this age, I'm dirty one. I don't think I can differentiate between what about me is changing or has changed because of my age versus what has changed about me because of my circumstances and lifestyle. I think I definitely feel like I'm getting foggier.

But I also think that my expectations of myself has shifted in a way that, I'm sure if I chatted to a 25-year-old version of me, I'd go like, let's get a fucking idiot. That's the thing. He's quicker, but he's stupid. I, when I first got diagnosed with ADHD,

part of it was that I felt foggier and stupider, and I couldn't, like, think the way I wanted to. But then I went back and, like, you know, because I have that podcast recording from when I was 14, it's like I can listen to a full conversation that I'm having as a child. and not as much has changed as I thought. I thought that some of my speech patterns were a little more drawn out, et cetera, et cetera.

It's really just like my judgment of myself. Like I was holding, I was being so much more hypervigilant of myself and holding myself to a much different standard than I would if I was not in an industry where I'm having to look at myself talk or pay attention to myself, how I sound on mic. I get a lot of peace now from being very confident about what I'm bad at.

And that at one point of time, I think when you don't know which class you've chosen, if you don't know if you're going fighter or wizard, and someone's like, hey, you're really like, I don't think you're very good at magic. You're like, I'm a wizard. I actually was going to be a wizard. And you kind of were never going to be a wizard.

You kind of are just a fighter, but you're like, no, no, I'm a wizard and I'm a fighter, because you don't know which thing you need to value yet. I know what you mean like finding comfort in yourself is a big part of it but but yeah just I oh I feel very self-conscious about aging still because I think I've said this on the show multiple times where like when I turned 19 I was like self-conscious about aging because Mark Zuckerberg made Facebook when he was 19 and so I was like oh I haven't achieved enough oh interesting yeah yeah and so I think I always kind of like this isn't an active thought it's more like kind of a you know we're sometimes

like we hold into like the way our neural pathways have all already been paved so we just have these tendencies and so like my tendency is to feel like I haven't done enough et cetera et cetera um and so I have to comparison is the thief of joy right and I also just have to nip that in the bud because it's not like an objective reality but it is there's always something to not achieve yeah that's true and also it's just like achievement isn't the point of life as well also I've achieved plenty but it's so easy for me to critique myself I one time

went to a panel of comedians and improvisers that I admired and Amy Poehler was on that panel and and she said that looking back in her 20s she was

trying so hard to do all these things like she was extremely um active and excited to like achieve things, but you're young and you're just barely figuring things out. Like, you don't really know yourself or the world yet. You don't have heuristics on like what you're supposed to even be doing.

You're the least qualified person to assess your own behavior. Right, but you have a bunch of hope and that's huge. In your 30s, you understand the world better and you understand yourself better, but you have less hope. And so you're now like scrambling to achieve all the things you dreamt of doing. But then in your 40s, you stop caring. And I actually, for my life, that has actually been true. I think in my 40s, I'm just like much more pleased with everything.

That's good. I think this is actually great because talking about Gen Z aging, we're going to get a couple different perspectives. Right. I am so curious how old this kid is because when I look at, I'll see a kid like this, right? It looks like this kid. And I got like, what, he's like 11 or something? Yeah.

And then I'll find out he's like been driving for 10 years. Yeah, and I want to get into this. So he created an audio that went viral. That was. All right, we'll listen to it just a second. I just wanted to say that at this Friendsgiving that I was at last night, I realized I have to stop playing into being old because I was doing that. Someone was like, what are you?

Like 42? And I was like, that was the first time I had someone like way overguessed my age. And so I was like, I should just shut up. Are they, but I mean, were they doing it's a bit? No. I think if you talk about being old, people think you're older than you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that, and that's kind of what I mean. How does the business that is, like 28?

That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't make, it didn't make me feel good, but. I guess then in that case, they'd be like, yeah, you can't be 33 if you're talking about being old. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it is one of those things, too, that the more you talk about it, the more importance you put on age when ultimately it's actually not important. like June Squib became an actor when she was 60 and she had an amazing career That's her name, I don't know

Is there a Squib the Hollywood term for like someone who's going to die in a scene? It's a explosion pack that shoots blood out Whoa, like when she exploded It's named after her blowing up When I was a kid I 100% believed in spontaneous combustion As just something that could happen to anyone by chance Oh yeah I mean unsolved mysteries basically told me that verbatim

For real? Yeah like on TV they were like on TV They were like, yeah, here's a bunch of stories of spontaneous combustion. And it's on like primetime television. Yeah, imagine that shit happened. Anyway. Belief has a bunch of stories like that and you're like, and they're like, and they're like, made it up.

We are exploded. We did not write this. It is true. And it's like, wait. They do that. I saw that. And it's like, it's actually based on a book by a famed racist who wrote a lot of these stories.

He didn't make it up. All right. Let's watch this boy. Jacob, show me the boy. Just found out I'm chopped. And also unc. so thank you tj for a reminder for me to never chaperone a prime again sorry i brought up danny phantom

whoa that's funny i remember danny phantom being the one i was a little too old for same that's fun in defense of me uh with people on my instagram story there were people saying that i may be unc but i'm not chopped so that's a dub thank you're all you're all you're all ones i mean that's defeating the you're defeating the you're Defeated the circuit. Defeating the chopped allegations. That's the other thing, too. Like, I feel like Unk is more of a vibe than an actual age.

Because there are all these, like, basketball players that'll say so in, like, Alex Caruso is Unk. That guy's, like, in his 20s. He's just older than a lot of the young guys he plays with. Yeah. The other thing is it, like, Unc is just a big bro, you know, so it's relative. I think there's a finding true unct status is a little bit like it's, I imagine it like fanning your fingers while you listen to someone. Yeah. That's a cool look.

It is another kind of AVE. I was going to say escaping containment, but it's more like being stolen out of containment. It's being put in containment. Yeah. There was actually an article about that where they were talking about how, you know, it comes from AAV. it's been stolen by internet culture and they're changing the definition

Yeah, that's what I mean where it's like Oh, this is a term that's like OG or something Like in the black, at least as I understand it In the black community or as it as I knew it like growing up Because it's just like an older like black man Yeah like big brother uncle type Yeah, yeah and it's in it it's a term of affection or whatever at least that's how I understand it I can be wrong

I'm not like the expert on everything black but now it's in this weird mix mixture of like it can be used negatively it can be used chopped is always negative but yeah Unka's kind of it can wear both hats with the internet people that have co-opted I'm sure there's somebody that

spent their life doing too much homework that could have a better phrasing for it or whatever but I feel like there's something to be said for maybe I'm absolutely crazy. Maybe I'm the friend that's to work right now. I think there's something that's always been a little iffy to me, a little off to me about the implied funniness of using AAVEE terms. Oh, yeah.

Like it's like a very silent part of it, but it's like. Oh, like a like a, like a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, what's up dog? Yeah, and like, it feels like, partially these spread, because it's ironic? Right, it's funny, it's funny because look at me, I'm not, I'm not a black man. And I think a lot of people would say that that's not why they're doing it, but then my follow-up would be, okay, so why are you doing it? Just because people are saying it?

I think then it's like the, why steal from black people, because like black people in culture is cool. Yeah. And I want proximity to coolness. And seem from drag culture for the same reason. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm not a technical living well enough.

No, I know what you're talking about. I think that it's like, I haven't considered those things to be the same thing, but I, I've experienced both, like, co-opting for cool and also the ironic co-opting of black culture as, like, a uh, uh, quirked up white boy. Yes. Yeah, exactly that. Neither is like ultra sinister or anything like that. It's more like, uh, it's such a subtle vibe that I think is, uh, uh, it's such a subtle vibe that I think is, uh,

When I picture it as the, so like the full appropriation one, I picture as like code switching style, right? Like just being like, having that, thank you. I'll be taking that one. And then the ironic, if that's the closest I can think to you, is very much anime avatar profile picture. Well, it's like punching down almost. And I think it's diluted. I think by the time it's common pilots, most people aren't thinking about that. Yeah, I think it, yeah, I agree with that as well.

It's like this, I don't know to describe it. It's like, oh, isn't this funny that I'm writing this in. lowercase with deliberately bad grammar with my Isakai profile picture and I'm like maybe I am just internet broken but that feels like a very specific kind of dialect like being used in a very specific way like ratioing jk rowling or something with a very specific aesthetic it's like oh yeah nice ratioing jk rowling why with uh I read those words no there there's there's definitely a weird like I think we've probably talked about this many years ago. It's funny because sometimes I feel like I'm co-opting AVE and I shouldn't ever feel like that

because it's like how my family sounded growing up and how my friends sounded growing up. But because it's like not how I spoke, I felt like there was something disingenuous to it. Yes. Even though it is a code switching thing as well. because even if I speak the way I speak, there is still a way that I'll slightly code switch my very, like, talking white-esque speech. That night, like a few nights ago,

I had to briefly talk to a couple of cops, and while I was talking to them, I, uh, gentlemen, well, I never. I hope you're having a wonderful evening, not eating too many, don't know, are we? Is that a new cologne, I smell upon you? Let me play with your gun. Give me.

No, no, I'm speaking. Stop resisting. Put a top hat on for some reason. They just kill me and everyone's happy about it. That's actually this one's okay. All right, let's see this. Times I felt unk. Grandma, grandma, coffin, coffin.

Can't get a boar. The coffin's funny. That's like an old lady dying being rebirthed as a happy cat and then they die again. Times I felt unc feeling unc making this video because, you know when you're on a website and they ask you to put in your birthday, why is it taking so long to scroll to my birth year now? It used to be like a little adjustment, and it would be 2005. But now I'm having to do like two giant swipes

before even reaching the 2000. Whoa. I was going to say, I feel like half the time that's just bad app design. Yeah. Were you born today? Sometimes they'll start either today or in 1900. I know she's kind of good about it.

It's just funny to imagine, like, oh my God. I'm almost there. It's a shyest one. Wow. I don't get that feeling, though, because you're, like, I've been like, why do I have to scroll so far? Are you concerned that they're going to, like, not go back far enough anymore for you? Yeah, like, I'm pre-1900. Right.

Which is, like, by the way, millennia issue. At the time that they were starting at 1900, there were people alive that, like, from 1899 or whatever. I don't think. I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't. think. I remember trying to... Anyone alive now was born in 1900. Anyone live right now.

There's got to be... No, not right now. But I'm saying that in the early internet in like the 90s, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just laughing at the idea that someone's 120. We don't have 125 year olds that we know of. I heard that people are signing up for the chicken talk.

But I do think we have like a hundred and 18 year old or something or 16. Isn't that kind of interesting? Because when I was in my 20s or... in high school even. Civil war. People, people would say, well, you know, 30's the new 20 and 40's the new 30. Like, that was like a thing for gen Xers who were like acting younger than the previous generation. As far as like, I don't know, like going to see bands into their 30s and stuff, like not having kids, like that kind of stuff.

Not marrying the first person you meet. And so for the longest time, like my whole adult life, people were like, well, you know, 30's the new 20 and 40's the new 30. Now I think 20 is the new 40. Yeah, that's true. Like, I think it's going the other way in their minds. I think it's a little bit of both because there's also the kind of stay at home son kind of I'm going to be a kid forever type thing because you just have a lot of millennials who are like, ooh, I'm just a baby. I do want to, from a sympathetic point of view, I think, and I'll actually throw this to Gen Z and whatever, however we're categorizing general for, I guess, but Gen Z onwards,

I will give a little bit of leeway on being more self-conscious about age or finding it more noticeable, partially because like, I mean, we kind of just talked about it, the thing that makes us feel older or like some of the more noticeable changes are your sense of self-awareness because it's mostly healthy cynicism, taking something. you were naive about experiencing it and then going like, oh, I had a baby brain five years ago. Five years from now, I will see me as a baby brain. Like you have the perspective to do that. I think every generation for truly in our extended lifetimes has pretty much kind of speeded up the cynicism a little bit. I think Gen X, one of the most naive generations in history,

because they are coming from a generation that is saying, hey, you need, go ahead, just buy your start at home and then sometimes they could but also they're in this like weird atomized community and culture and the internet is starting when did gen x start like 70s right i want to say it was like if you were born in like 60 to 65 to 1980 and then what was the generation before that because yeah yeah makes sense the um because the that generation like Hank put out a video about how like almost all of the presidents were born in like the baby boomer generation like 1946 like 1947 and then um the and what's interesting is about how they have warped culture like all the holiday songs that we have are like that generation's holiday songs because it harkens back to the last kind of period of quote unquote American prosperity there's a cavity right it's like post world war two economic opportunity, et cetera, et cetera. And like, it's like a false reality that like never existed in the way that people talk about it.

But it's a thing that they've been able to promise back to and have a, have a point of reference for. And they're all going to die as we all do. And then there's going to kind of be a new. There's going to only be the mythology of it. It's like guys that are like, we need to get back to an era of real debate in Kansas. like ancient Greece, and I'm like, what are you, who did you talk to that told you about this? What are you talking about?

What, do you watch a, oh, you watch a video essay? Did I just, I think Genzi, for their, to their credit, has had, like, such an overwhelming amount of cynicism in such an overwhelmingly small amount of time. Yeah. Like, they've gone from belief to challenge, to believe to challenge, to optimism, to disappointment on 50 times the things we've had, like, optimism. and I feel like that's where you got so much like millennial cringe. And I feel like Gen Z is like the kind of response to that.

And it's like a lot of cynicism. But I would say that millennials had optimism until around 2008. Like everything became extremely pessimistic after that. I mean, Lisa, Maragon. Well, we got edgy or like sustained a little bit of attitude. But ultimately, like, we got some false pseudo political. progressive optimism right yeah yeah yeah but i feel like it's good guys a downward i definitely think it's been on a downward i do agree that like having the internet

for gen z like they've had the internet their whole lives right they've been able to see so much horrible stuff but i guess what i'm what i'm saying about it's like also to your point is that millennials have that optimism and then gen z is born yeah in becoming lucid yeah only during a period of pessimism. They were born in the darkness or whatever. Yeah, they were born in the darkness. And then we are like, I feel like I am fighting against the instinct

so much of the time to patronize that era. It would be like, wow, there's... Patreon.compsosabwe's. I'm trying to sign up for using only my discretionary spending $5 a month if you want episode of Sadboys nights every single week. There we go.

It's like a full extent version of the show, but only a few pending. But I do think, wait, sorry, you weren't done with your plan. I was like, sometimes self-conscious about being a little too, like, judgmental about these people just don't get it, they don't know what it's like to actually be old, because Jesus Christ, man, I still, even naively hold on to a little bit of the propaganda I got when I was like nine years old that you grew up, and then you get this, and then this thing happens, and the white picket fence, and like the, not even necessarily

things I want, but there was at least like a, like a schema. They at least gave me a format. I feel that way sometimes where I'll be like, oh, this thing is... the dream and then I'm like wait that's not my dream that's just a dream that was fed to me and it's also like all very outdated like millennials can still remember to like kind of these promises and stuff but I feel like Gen Z it's like never been on the table yeah and so it it makes sense but Gen Z is now getting to that age where there is some amount of reflection on aging and I guess that's what like this experience is what they're going through. Let's watch this Aden guy. Oh, which one? I'm feeling very unk and washed right now. Capital C. I don't know if this is like a normal

like post grad. Like two months into my first real job and like I don't know. I just like I'm not good at a lot of things I was good at before. I barely play hockey now, and it's like, I wasn't that great before, but now it's like I hop on the ice in an over 50 league with my dad, and I fucking suck. I brought my gear with me today because I've been subbing in a Thursday league, and it's, like, easier to just drive straight to the rank after, for my office.

All of his emotions I relate to, the hockey stuff is so inaccessible to me. It's like it's a little like watching, but I don't know where this guy's from, but it is a little bit like watching like a documentary or something. And then one character says like, and then I felt I felt really sorry. I'm like, what the fuck? Hold on, liar, you're Canadian. Yeah, it's like the three fingers being glorious bastards. Yeah. I'm Canadian.

Yeah. I felt like this after I graduated from college where when I was in college, I was riding my bike every single day. I was walking around campus. I was like doing all this very physical. I even like took yoga classes at school during college. And then afterwards, I'm going to an office job where I'm just bored all day. You went to Doge, right? Uh-huh.

You were one of the people that didn't know to make a PDF. No, I'm, I'll reveal it because it fucking sucked. And I've talked about it before. But I worked at University of Phoenix, the online school that is based out of Phoenix. and it was honestly the worst few years of my life. Do you know what year this was? Yeah, it was 2004. Don't tell me I'm unk.

But you are chopped, yeah, and actually washed. No, because my, my great aunt took classes. I want to say University of Phoenix online classes. Yeah. she was like 70 and I remember like helping her with her math homework it is one of those predatory higher education companies um that for a period of time was extremely successful at convincing all the commercials yeah and it was the most sole it was it was the kind of job like no joke I would wake up and think could I break my arm to get out of going to work

and I just was like so and so miserable and so I relate to this kid because I'm like I was gaining a bunch of weight because all I did was sit at work all day I wasn't as active as I used to be I hadn't discovered therapy yet no yeah I didn't really know what I wanted to do with my life I think the few years after graduating college is really hard yeah it was I mean it was really easy for me okay well no no no no it was like Like it was like once I got settled, there was a little bit of like, okay, what is life about? What am I supposed to do? I think. But you also had a career that had a path to it and I didn't. It did have a path. But I think that like, you know, the reason I started taking like improv classes and stuff was because I was like, what am I supposed to do now?

Yeah. Because I was so focused on getting a job in college that now that now that I had a step. stable job and I felt like I had some sort of I was in this like frustrating situation where at my old my first job out of college because I was good at my job but I felt underutilized and I couldn't get this is so funny like they wouldn't give me more work to do basically I like couldn't get more responsibilities at the time where you want peak validation yeah so I was just I was just like doing less and I was like I was like I was just like, oh, I'll just like phone it in then, I guess, if you're not going to give me anything else to do. You're younger than us, like the idea that, because you've grown up online, which means you've been exposed to basically just every idea ever. And granted, some of those are going to metastasize and maybe make you into like a scary intel murderer, but then other times they might just metastasize and correctly make you a little cynical about the future because of the direction of the world. Can you imagine, like, I don't know, you're like 14, right? and you have zero percent correctly you have zero percent trust in any institution to help you in the

future you are you are starting at like you've just basically started to become a human being and you're like i remember being 14 and barely being out of like that i'll probably just be an astronaut or something i remember thinking when i was 14 that i was going to be a writer that's i mean that's more than I had. It was only in the sense that, like, I knew I couldn't do anything difficult. And, like, I couldn't do any real job in my mind. I thought I was too dumb to do anything that was, like, learning-oriented. I'm like, okay, what can I do with the basic hardware I have right now?

And I were like, I'll be a writer. And somehow, that covered it completely in my mind. And I already, I dropped out of high school. So I was like, yeah, I'll just be a writer. And I just went and played Fallout 3. And I was just like, yep, that'll be it. There's absolutely no way that right now you can be that age exposed to so much cynicism all the time. And they'll be like, I'm going to go hang out with my friends and not worry about it at all.

I think that's actually a misunderstanding because I do think you're right that the cynicism is there. like the future looks so bleak for a lot of young people, but I think it's for some people channeling into, all right, well then fuck it. I'm just going to go hang out with my friends in high school and younger. I had a pretty cynical view of the world. I had a pretty cynical view of institutions, but that's because of my life experience. I wouldn't say that's generational. like I think I had a healthy mistrust of anyone in an authority figure if you want to hear why check out sad boys nights on patreon jarvis and I got into it we got a few weeks ago but um just because I had a stomach bug you wouldn't hang out with me because you had a stomach bug we got real we got real there is like a unprud I cannot remember the term oh it's uh economic nihilism that like Gen Z has because like so everything not Gen Z I mean like a lot of people have this right now because just like it feels like everything is trending towards gambling like like just saw that the CEO of Kalshi is now the youngest billionaire paper billionaire this this woman in Kalshi is like one of those prediction markets companies is like poly

market is another thing that's like blown up. CNN just announced a, a partnership with Kalshi, and so they're integrating prediction markets into the fucking news. It feels like to get ahead, you have to, like, have a scam or, like, be doing some sort of, like, drop shipping type hustle. And that's not even hidden now. It's not, it was always fake. Yeah.

Or, like, the institution was never on your side, but at least, like, um, you know, I'm, you You know, the slogan for Geico would be like, I'm a lizard and I want you to be safe. Well, it's like unprecedented amounts of like, you know, buy now, pay later, like credit card debt, you know, things that. I have heard so many people with student loan debt. Yeah. Say, why pay it off? I'm going to be paying this for the rest of my life. So who gives a shit?

This is just interest on life. Literally, if you, because there's, there's two different types of loans. there's subsidized and unsubsidized loans and the I can't remember which ones have a fixed interest rate but the ones that don't you pay those off because it's exponential like but but literally the other ones you should probably just I'm not financial advice but it's like uh it's hard to justify it's hard to justify paying paying them off the um especially here I mean especially right now because there was that whole thing where Biden tried to do the loan forgiveness so did Obama and then it's been so stuck in court and back and forth that some people have gotten

some loans forgiven and some have it. And it's like, oh, we were really hoping for this and now it's not, we know it's not going to ever come. Because it's so seemingly impossible to have any sort of come up in this economy for this generation, you just have an unprecedented amount of people taking on risk because who fucking cares. Yeah. Because like it doesn't fucking matter.

Like so, it's like the same condition of like, uh, living on borrowed time or whatever, like that kind of mindset, which it, again, I would say healthy, but perfectly reasonable as an instinct. Weird thing, though, ultimately is though the circumstances are more transparent now and the material result is like so much more and when you're so much younger, this kind of like cynicism is necessary. However, the prescription is still. kind of exactly the same, which is that really the only impact that you can have is on your

immediate physical surroundings. Like, you have been lied to that your hustle and grind and sending enough DMs to celebrities will get you a gig that will like pull you out of the dirt. But it is, and it always has been astronaut meme, the only real thing that you have control of it is the space around you and the community that you're supporting in mutually being supported by, it just so happened that now that is also 10 times harder to access because it's been supplemented by online communities being the prescriptive solution, which they just aren't only because they aren't the air around your body. And it is harder to make friends and create a community because you have less time

because you can't get a job because you can't get anybody. It's like I don't, I feel so no names named and none of the people that we actively hang out with. But it does sometimes get a little bit tiring to be at a party or an event or something with people that I've, we know have unfathomable about of wealth, like so much that they wouldn't say it out loud. Right. And indulging in financial anxiety because it is chic. It sometimes, I think not getting to complain about money is the tax you pay on having a shit ton of money. Yeah, that's definitely true.

One thing in the universe you don't get to have. Because you can buy anything else. Yeah. But you, unfortunately, someone online is allowed to make fun of you for having too much money. And like, it's such a small punishment. but I think there's like it's like it's like it does exactly goodbye but like the whole Elon thing where he's like always trying to impress the least valuable personalities online for some reason there's this weird self-consciousness that people have about their financial standing that I that I think a lot of the time forgive me if this if I'm rambling this doesn't make sense but like a lot of the time I feel like people get self-conscious about their financial position and then they kind of wave it off as like well yeah I you know, I've, obviously, multi, multi, multi, multi,

I don't know, whatever, but like, it's just, you know, I still feel anxious about stuff. You know, there's kids starving in Africa, but, like, it's all relative, relative to have relative feelings. And I'm kind of getting to the point in my life in general. I'm like, I don't think it is valuable to have relative feelings. I think they actually do matter less because of circumstances. I think my circumstances matter less than somebody in worse material conditions.

Yeah. And it does it be like, you can't talk about it, But I think when a lot of people in very comfortable positions, or really actually even comfortable positions, talk about it with like the same level of cynicism or like pseudo activist aesthetics without really doing actually actively doing something. I think it is corrosive. I don't think it is like a net zero where they just go like, I know, I'm just complaining. Like, sorry. I think it's, I think it's also just in public versus in private too. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, going on like, like, you know, a panel or something, right? Like, it's like, how do I get into YouTube? And they're like, well, you just got to work really hard. Like, no. You got to make stuff, but, like, it's not every, it's not like every single YouTube channel improves with quality and, like, a channel with one more subscriber than another is not one point more valuable than the other one. Actually, I'll take that back. Anybody, it's more than anything I've ever done is, morally. worse than me.

I really want to watch more of this, yeah. Hockey Hank. Because I wanted to see where, all he talked about so far was hockey. I want to hear like what he's saying. I didn't even, like, never even got the Texas up tonight. So now like, my gear's just been steaming in my truck all day

and it smells like fucking dog shit in here. And I'm not even gonna play. Oh. I don't want to go out anymore either. It's just like on the weekends, I'm so tired. I like don't even feel like drinking. and like going to a bar is like oh my god it's such a task and like literally last year it was

like Thursday Friday Saturday yeah let's go let's get after it such a hockey guy it speaks to like corporate nine to fives like drain the life out of you like by design I remember when the meet people were calling her a 9 to 5 girl or something like that it was like maybe three years ago. It was complaining about her commute and stuff. Who was complaining about a fucking nightmare commute. Yeah. Exciting about her finances and a living situation.

And everyone's instinct, everyone's instinct, was to instantly reinforce like 1950s era principles and values. Yeah. And I mean, everyone. Like, everyone that would complain about equally, like, like correctly complain about the state of the world and the way that they feel like they've been positioned. but there was just something there was like a winter soldier trigger

that happened in everyone where they saw like there's a woman and she's talking about her life well at least you've got a job and it's like it fucking sucks she's saying she has to make this huge community like what

does she say the real world sucks and so did you and your last tweet it's so weird that people jump to defend institutions or or systems that are not, like, necessarily built to serve you. Like, I feel like the only way the world gets better is if we do criticize and question and strive for, you know, to improve these things.

And it starts with saying, like, hey, this sucks. Yeah, it doesn't always have to be actionable. Yeah, it doesn't know with, like, an essay. It's so weird that people don't say, I relate to this feeling. I've had a situation like that where I had a horrible commute or a bad job. or even just yeah

capitalism fucking sucks like it is draining to the average human like it's not this is what this young man this young man is experiencing capitalism depression well the thing is the and I will slightly

like like discuss that point of like I don't even feel like we're not experiencing true capitalism we're experiencing like We're experiencing a complete reverse socialism, like corporatism, drain of public institutions, privatization of public service, in absence of one of the core principles of capitalism, which is competition. So it's like it's like it even feels disingenuous to just wash this away as capitalism because this is this weird like bastardization of a system that should allow. for a, allow for healthy competition, we have unprecedented consolidation and monopolies.

And so it's like, maybe it's just more appropriate to say like an oppressive system. Yeah, it's just, it's like a corporatocracy. Yeah. It's like terms, even a term like Republican is now an antiquated word for what is a modern conservative. It like doesn't actually refer to the thing anymore. Yeah, it doesn't refer to a republic. But it's, it becomes part of the leg.

and changes his meaning, whatever. Really, I think these days, if we say capitalism, we are pretty explicitly talking about American hemorrhagidate. Yeah, hegemony. Hippopotamacy, like, American monoculture capitalism. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like American capitalism could be its own term that is like kind of abstracted to mean, okay, it's not like Adam Smith, like, like clean, free, free hand of the market or

whatever, what was it called? What was the Adam Smith thing? Oh, a utilitarian. Free, not free market, the invisible hand. Right. The invisible hand. It's not like an Atlas shrug to kind of like, yeah, yeah. Survival of the fittest Darwin.

It's kind of like if we were saying, survival of the fittest Darwinian evolution, except there's like a sniper that hates some animals. Yeah. It just like, it just like, it's like, okay, but like you can just buy up all your, you can raise, you can raise money to buy up. all your competitors. If you get too big, then you can't fail because the government will bail you out. Why have I not been doing this? But if you're the little guy, the government may not help you. And in fact, we're villainizing people who make use of the legal social services

that are allowed because they're not working hard enough. And actually, you can't get a candy bar if you're on SNAP benefits because you don't deserve sugar. You don't deserve a treat because you're not pulling yourself up hard enough by your bootstrax. Which is all you were doing with it anyway. You were a professional welfare collector. You were buying a TV and a PS5. Yeah, you were stealing from the government to buy your candy bar and don't look at the person who is stealing millions of dollars from the...

It's like when you found out all of those conservative talking heads and stuff had all these shell businesses and were taking out PPP loans and effectively defrauding the government of money that was meant. to be helping, like, real small businesses in, in a time of need. It's like, is that the merit you keep talking about? Yeah, exactly. Those are the people.

It's not the fucking, you know, mother of three who, like, wants a treat after a fuck, working a double shift and trying to put food on the table for her, like, her kids. I keep seeing people on TikTok using the term personal responsibility. Yeah. I believe in individual responsibility.

And it's like, this is a term. that was strategically created to make it sound like you're being irresponsible if you need a little help. And it's like so... Well, then why do we live near each other? Yeah.

Shouldn't we just like... We should just not live in neighborhoods then. We should literally have silos. And now you get the people who are like, well, they shouldn't build any housing around my housing because I need to live in a fortune society. Yeah. Individual responsibility, please.

Not in my backyard. Let's watch a little bit more of this. and then we can watch. I do have a fondness for hockey guys, maybe just because we used to work with so many. I feel I'm glad that he was willing to be vulnerable with the internet in this, in sharing this clear moment of frustration

that I think a lot of people can, that resonates with a lot of people. And to be fair, respect for filming it in your car, I think we can all say with authority, hockey is the stinkiest sport in history. There's been a lot of hockey cars, and they've, they're doing something to it. I like that he said steaming up.

It's been steaming in the back. Open the windows. Was it like cold outside, dude. Good. Clear it out. Kill the bacteria. But his emotion is like very palpable and very relatable. Also, if like the system's not working for a guy that looks like that, we're all doing.

Who's just supposed to be working for? If it, it lority isn't getting anything out of it? Yeah, he does look like jake of a lority. I'm also just out of it on social media. I don't know what's going on anymore. I open any social media app and it's just like. I'm getting fooled by AI 75% of time

I'm not a great stat I'm gonna get scammed like really soon which is so tough to admit these celebrity impressions I gotta look it up I don't know if they said that or not I saw a post that saying

that discovered a bright orange shark and fully believed it had a genetic disorder and sent that to one of my friends and they were like you're an idiot Dude, this is so vulnerable. It's like such what it feels like to age.

It is so vulnerable. Yeah, it's like I had to ask my nephew how to use the iPad. Even I'm guilty of getting frustrated with, you know, like extended members of my family and just been like, just do it the right way as though I don't have this literacy that was already built in. Like, I'm out of the loop on social media, but it's largely elective. Like, I've largely just not engaged with it because I don't think it was part of my life at an era where I developed like, I don't want to say a love for it, but like a real relationship with it. I think I didn't go on Instagram until really late and then that's really the only one I'll scan now. And I post so little because I forget about it. Like, if I listen to an audiobook, I'm like, oh, I really like audiobooks.

But my thumb doesn't go to that app. My thumb goes to like podcasts, Gmail or Instagram. Yeah, opening and closing the social media app over there. If you grew up and like Instagram was life. Like it just, that and TikTok was literally life. That's where you spoke to people. It's your whole community. I can't imagine what it would then be like.

It's like if the moment we, if you start a new job, you just have to delete I message. Like you no longer can talk to people there because you just can't use it. I do think I would be so much less out of. of touch if it weren't for my job. I think I'm like the person in my old friend group who has to explain stuff to

people because they don't they're like, what is this thing? So this guy just brings up one last point that we haven't touched on yet, which I think is interesting. Gen Z is starting to realize what happens when you base your value on your youth? Because guess what? We're getting older.

And a lot of Gen Z thought that 25 was old and that they were going to be 16 forever, or 18 or 21 forever. And now they're realizing, no, I'm going to age. I'm going to be in my 30s, in my 40s, and if I'm lucky, I'm going to make it to old age. And many people just don't know how to feel about it. So they're being absorbed into nostalgia, idolizing their childhood in a way that doesn't make any sense for someone who's aging. I think maybe it's just you notice it more when you're in it. I think millennials have the most dangerous relationship with nostalgia. Gen X also to some degree, but the millennial relationship with nostalgia is it's,

we get the benefit, if you want to call it that, or the buff to our nostalgia obsession by how inaccessible a lot of it is. Like, we can think about like, I remember watching. Ed Ed Nettie. Oh, remember Ed Ed Nettie? I literally don't know where to go to watch Ed Nettie right now. I can't indulge in it. I get to rose tint it because I don't have photos of me watching it.

I don't have old group chats where we would talk about it. It literally just sits in my memory. Nostalgia for Gen Z is re-consuming it. It's like actively not doing new shit. I think one of the unique things about Gen Z nostalgia, as I understand it, is that there's a lot of nostalgia for times that Jinzi didn't experience, which is, I think, unique to, like, my experience, where it's, like, a lot of the stuff I'm nostalgic for was, like, my actual experiences.

I feel like, Genzi has almost, like, a fantastical experience for nostalgia, where it's, like, calling back to kind of times that maybe didn't even exist. I know, and I think of nostalgia, I kind of imagine it, like, you know, when you walk past a bakery and it smells like a very specific kind of bread, and you go, like, oh, my God, 2007, whatever day. So it has to have a tie to my life versus people that are really into the 80s and were born in like the Obama administration. What about the 80s? Did you, oh, it's the colors.

Oh, stranger things. Okay, right. I'm with you. But yeah, this is like it does circle back to people calling me old on social media where it's like, yeah. I mean, I don't want to be so vindictive and be like, you know, it'll happen to you too or this is what happens. I wouldn't go as far as to say, like, this is what happens when you place your value on your youth. But I totally understand where this person's coming from in terms of, like, interpreting, I do think that, like, there is something to, like, overvaluing that youth because it's something that is fleeting and having to come to terms with, like, what everything, what it all means when you don't have that. I think what he's saying is actually a pretty normal thing where when you're young,

you think, A, you're going to live forever and B, you're not going to be as bad as the people who came before you. And it's like, there will be people in your generation who suck. And there will be, you will make mistakes that people made in the generations before you. It doesn't mean you're bad or anything, but it's so normal to criticize the generations that came before you. It's just a normal thing that young people do. It's very fun. Yeah.

It's like a punching up about as a coaster, about as reliable a punch up as it gets. I can't believe we didn't mention this at all, but also the pandemic. I guess the pandemic happening at the moment where you could have had the money. kind of grounding in socialization that kind of sets you up for life to some degree. It makes you go like, oh, right, age, time, so-and-so. They basically got paused for three years. Well, I do think that's, like, part of, like, your whole community is online, you know? Like, your whole life is online for those two years.

And that, for sure, changes things. But for many people, their lives are online just in perpetuity as well. And then you actually get a job. And then it's like, God, in my free time, finally I can go online. Yeah. And then it is just back up. Exactly. What do you think?

Is 25 the new 35? Is Jin Z complaining about nothing? Do you have economic nihilism? I don't know what I'm saying. Let us know in the comments down below. Go ahead and hit the like and subscribe guys. In every episode establish, we always talk to you like this. And this is very normal.

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Yeah, like, I'm thinking like, uh, me when the face is bacon. Me when the face is bacon. Thanks for listening, guys. Thanks for Sad Boysing. I guess. We're going to be heading over to Sad Boys Nights where we might talk about the main character of Twitter being about AI music and everyone dunking on them and how we may know that person in real life, but we'll be really respectful and we won't even mention

them by name. It's fine. Or perhaps we'll talk about the one of the major subredits going into a full tailspin because power-tripping moderators. Joe Rogan thinks AI is Jesus. You can't tell AI photos from real photos anymore. We're kind of cooked. You want to go play hockey, but you look at a video and you think Joe Rogan did the Matrix

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