Sad Boyz - Handmade Slop Broke The Box Office

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

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Welcome to Sab Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. You ever have a proper good itch under the little glasses, nose? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But then there's also when you fly too close to the sun and then you poke the lens and you smudge your lens.

And it's, you're done. And then you don't have a microfiber cloth on hand. You don't have a lens wipe. That's why I keep those things on me. A weapon degrading in a video game. It's like, you can wipe it as much as you want. You've done 0.1 permanent damage somehow. Yeah, it's like you crit with your weapon.

It does more damage. But unfortunately, you took your weapon degraded extra. It's down the stage, unfortunately. I've been having a horrible thing happened to me with my glasses where I'm sweating because it's hot right now in L.A. And I get a little clogged pore. Like right where my glasses sit on my nose, it like rubs or something. And I'm getting like a clogged pore over here.

What does a clogged pore feel like? Like a pimple. It's like... I think I've maybe had it. I just like don't know. It's just like tight skin. Is it sensitive to the touch? Yeah, a little bit.

Because I think I've had that. Have you thought about wearing your glasses like this? Like... I wear them like this. But holding them manually. Oh, that's the other thing is that like if we all have the like plastic frame glasses right now where they don't have the little lift nibbs. Yeah. They have it.

It's like built in. I find the, I think the nubbins are doing more damage than anything. They must be. Oh, okay. I was like, based on nothing. You started saying it. You were like, the nubbins, the nubbins. You think they cause damage?

I think there is a, Inestation's glasses are this low right now. You think they cause damage? Are you serious right now? Yeah. I've been doing this thing because I think it's funny where when someone, let's say you guys are having a conversation about like a movie and you mention a really hot person. I just saw Bestin Show and

wow, wow, wewa, Catherine O'Hara. And then I would go like this. Whoa, whoa, whoa. And it's just saying the, oh, wait, I can't even do it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I saw Best in show last night. Oh, what did you think? I've never seen it. I enjoyed it, but I think it came out in the year 2000. Uh, and I, there's a certain aspect of like, it's like when you watch the office after having watched like a bunch of, like a bunch of things that were inspired by the office where I felt like I wasn't connecting with the movie the whole time. Like I was trying to and it was funny. But then at the same time, it felt dated. I don't want to, I don't want to go that far. Okay. But I, I had foundational. It's foundational. It's

foundational and I could appreciate that. But I like couldn't deeply connect with it. Yeah, I get a little bit of friction with a lot of like classic fantasy media in that way. I'm like, no, I see. I just have seen too much on top of this. And it's not the, yeah, it's not the fault of the original. The baguette is amazing, but you put a little butter on there. Because I realized seeing it that I had seen so many even references and parodies and Fred Willard and John Michael Higgins and stuff in like community.

Yes. And shit. You know what I mean? Like Parker Posey's like, I. wait that so i i saw the first uh movie of that group um the um what's his name christopher guest kind of troop i saw was spinal tap and then i saw uh waiting for guffman and then i saw best and show so even i remember being like best and show's not as good as the other ones but i love parker posey and the guy eugene levy

No. Because Eugene Levy also co-directed that I found out. Oh, yeah. With Christopher Guest. Whoever Parker Posey is acting with who plays her husband, they tell this story where they're like, we met because they're like, they're like very into like brands and like they wear like beige clothes and stuff. And she was like, I was in Starbucks on my laptop. And he was in the Starbucks across the street on his laptop. And I saw him and I was like, I'm going to go talk to him.

And I go over there. But he had gone to my Starbucks to talk to me. That was one of the funnier parts of the movie to me. And they're, them freaking, where they're talking about catalogs and how, like, ordering stuff from catalogs is really nice. Yeah.

I know there's still hype beasts rocking around. But I do think there seems to be a little bit of a dearth of brand people like they used to be. I feel like I was always surrounded by people who were genuinely excited to tell me about the brand of jeans they were wearing. Well, I'm genuinely excited to tell you about today's sponsor. Oh, what is it? Do we have ads all this episode? That's where Jacob cuts the ad in.

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I would have to imagine probably. Yeah, but that's 360 and then you're right where you started and that doesn't feel as exciting. Wasting time at this point. What's up, dude? How are you? I'm good. It's Tuesday, guys. We normally record on Wednesday.

So everything's different. Everything's so different. I've made a horrible mistake. Okay. I saw something online that I was like, that looks, I kind of, people are cloning on this, but I want it. Okay. And.

Cloud makeup. How'd you know? Anastasia, what size shoe do you wear? Ten in women's, but I don't know what that is in men's. Okay. Eight, nine. I don't know either. Eight and a half.

But what I can tell you is that I wanted the new Adidas loafer and... No way. I accidentally bought it in women's. Oh! Oh. Are they different? Do you have a women's... Oh, cute.

Those are so cute. People were clowning on it? I think some people were. So if these don't fit my foot, which I don't think they will, then I'll just give them to you. I'll return them. What size are they? Well, they're 11.

That's not going to fit. Bold. You saw it here first, folks. Yeah. The shoe doesn't fit. The slipper doesn't fit. Something, something. This is definitely going to fit my foot.

My quest. continues. Does it feel well? It's so well and it's so cute. Oh my God. It was her. Can you see this? It's a gift.

It was always her. Well, Anastasia foot reveal. Can you see my foot? Yeah. Anastasia. They're so cute. I actually, I saved them the other day and I texted Maria about them. Yeah.

And I'm like, I need to find a cobbler who will make me a custom version of these. Yes. Well, you, if any of our friends is going to have a cobbler, it's going to be you, Jacob. Frankly, frankly, if any of our friends will have the equipment to Cobbler. I was going to say, if any of our friends take a few years off to become a cobbler, it'll be Jacob will search, you know, far and wide for a cobbler, we'll realize that there's no cobblers that fit Jacob's needs, and then Jacob will take it upon himself to become the

cobbler. It'll take a while, you know, it could be an entire weekend to figure it out. I'll be like the Lorax, but I'll speak for people with wide feet. Yes. And, Stasia, it is, it is. Why don't you just return them? Because have you not seen Cinderella? This is a Cinderella situation.

You told me a different size shoe than what that is. and then look at that, it fits perfectly. If this had been my size, it wouldn't have fit. But the thing is, they look so good too. So here's the thing. I am going to get them. Yes. And we're just going to have to match.

And so we can wear, we have enough matching shirts and shoes that we can just be twins. That's a pretty good idea. I am who I am, as Popeye would say. But Jarvis and I have similar taste and clothes. Yeah. Similar size. We've exchanged. We've exchanged.

We've exchanged clothes more than once. And now more than once on screen. So here's the other thing. So what happened was Google Search betrayed me. Yes. Even with the power of Gemini? Wasn't using the power of Gemini. It was using the power of like when it shows you a product photo.

And then it shows you the store that it's at. And then all the text cuts off. And at the very end it said W. You know what I mean? And then I was going through the whole thing. and I just like assumed that you know what they say about assuming it makes an ass out of you and me and then also like I don't know how big the women sizes go because I would just figure out what the conversion is because there can't be a difference it's gotta just be unless there is something to

the structural element yeah and it has to just be it's got the quarter and scale right literally so I'm like I just am going to see if I guess the one thing is that oftentimes women sizes don't go up as large sometimes. Yeah, but you know what? If I'm being honest, this all pisses me all the way off. Speak on it. Because why don't we just have the same numbers? You can still call it a women's shoe because of the design. But yeah, we use the same dimensions and some women have white feet. Well, women's inches are different than men's inches. Because men have a dick. It's tied to the wage gap. Oh, no.

Anastasia and I even make the same misogynist jokes. kind of upsetting how we're the same person. Oh, you guys are joking? Me too. Everyone thinks Jordan and Jarvis is the same person. It's really me and Jarvis. It's true. Yeah, I'm not as sex as I support women.

Keep it up. Ladies. You know what also supports women? Is the Adidas special handball loafer in size 11, Anastasia style. Go ahead and buy the wrong now. It's just out of stock everywhere, and I think that's part of the reason. Well, I hope you can find it.

Well, I'll just get a women's 13 or whatever. Oh. What is the... Because there's no difference. I don't understand. Well, it might be more slender, but I don't think it is. But I have a slender foot. That's true.

12 and a half. Okay. I can wear... I have like feet. So my issue... Hell yeah. So, yeah, I have feet. First off.

Can you milk me? Do you know the... I do, but I'm not going to explain it. Because then it has to stay with people. No, no, no, no. Don't explain it. Don't explain it. Okay, let's just move on.

Meet the parents, yeah. But the, um, my issue is that... I am someone who is always in between sizes. I am in between a lot. It depends on the day. I'll be between a medium and a large or a larger than an XL, depending on the fit that I want. How excited you are?

The shoes that I own range from a 11 to a 12 and an 11 and a half as well because it just, it really just depends on like how the shoe fits, if it's a true fit, whatever. Like we act as if these numbers are objective. a very, this is really something that I came here today to talk about is that, my God, you're crying. There is a number is always going to seem objective, but it is not. It is not, especially in clothing. Especially in clothing, because 12, oh, okay, I wear a 12. Well, not all 12s are created equal. So what's the point of the number to begin with? I, if there needs to be half sizes of something,

they should just be double the sizes. Yeah. Pissing me off. Well, that's how, um, is that how the year? No, wait, what country has the size of it go like 38 and it's a shoe? Well, Europe is kind of like that. Because UK has smaller sizes than America. Our numbers are small. Yeah, your numbers are smaller, but then maybe Europe. Europe at large. I got to say, like, genuinely, it is funny how, you know, we've talked in the past about

it's easier to generate your own biases, especially when you're younger and it's easy to fall into bad habits and tropes and whatever. I really, really genuinely had to and occasionally still have to wash away this like bias when I go like, stupid way to do numbers, not like my country. Yeah, yeah. Too bad to do temperature. Not like my country. Oh, Celsius? I don't need to know how hot the water is, dude.

I need to know how hot I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why? What part of me was defensive about this? I checked my phone. Right. I saw that the delivery had arrived. I opened the delivery email and I did see at that point that it said women's.

And then I had a moment. But then I had another moment where I was like, well, let's hope. I mean, Anastasia and I are essentially the same person. Let's hope that Anastasia will fit these. You heard me squawking and cackling. And you know, and what did you say before we came back from the break? You tried to open the package yourself because you could feel that it was calling to you. So I immediately took it and started opening it.

I was like, wait, this isn't mine. I do love it. I do love that like the kingly, like mindset you must be in for whenever a package is arriving to go, a gift for me. Good. And who sends this, the Sion of Westminster? Oh. I wonder what tribute they've paid.

Ah, shoes that don't fit. But no, this is a, this brings me great joy. It brings me Fion great joy. Yeah? Yeah, he's a, that same game. That works a little bit. I love media. I love media.

I love media. Did you watch House of Dragon? Oh. Is you scary? You were imagining dragons? Yeah, I was, first of all, I was imagining dragons. Second of all, I was like a whole house full of those guys. Too small.

I watched House or a Night of the Seven Kingdoms on Jordan's suggestion. And it's so good. All of those shows. One thing I fear. I read something on our board. I thought that said Starbucks FAP Power. There's a bit of frappeting. One thing I fear, because a lot of those shows, the first season is incredible, and then it kind of goes downhill immediately.

He's going to eat that boy. Yeah. Oh, egg. Yummy. What is going on? What's going on? If you love movies, you love me here. Knights of the Seven Kingdom, as soon as I heard that the boy's name is Egg, I knew who he was.

It kind of ruined it for me. Anyways, fat powder. Yeah, wait, what is that? Because now I only have questions. If Starbucks frap powder on the board. So this was something that London texted. Oh, I vaguely know what it is. There are a lot of Starbucks bristas who are talking about this new powder that they mix into the frappuccinos to make them like a consistent texture.

And so they don't get weird and like watery when they start melting. Yeah. Yeah. But the powder that they use for it contains ingredients that are, like, irritating to breathe in. Oh my God. And it's a powder. And it's hard to not have it. It just goes everywhere.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody in a hazmat suit passing me my coffee. Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like if you were just doing this at your, like, home, like, once a day or a few times a week, no problem. But if you're a barista and doing it all day and just breathing that in. then there could be like potential like irritating effects on breathing it in. Is this a problem that needed solving?

We've been making these rings, right? Yeah. What happened? They were probably just making it cheaper. They were just trying to figure out how to make their big blended like milkshake like cheaper. Oh, I see. It's pouring the sawdust in to make the suit better.

But it is interesting that we cannot escape from corporations giving workers the blackmail. They love giving you poison. Literally. What year are we in? Well, that's like the thing. I think it's a really is a statement about capitalism and how when you continue optimizing, optimizing, optimizing, optimizing, you become less humane.

In more ways than one, you become less human as in like, okay, how can we, you know, use machines or computers to replace people? And then you become less humane as in, uh, I want to de, disant, I want to derange. or devalue human safety because I'm trying to get rid of them anyway. Whatever I can't automate, I suppose I'll just poison. Yeah. And there are a lot of people who are concerned because this powder contains silica and certain forms of powdered silicone and silica.

You can get a thing called silicosis. Like, that's no good. But I think it has been confirmed that the type of silica they use in the powder. Yeah. Won't give you silicosis, but it's still not like good to be breathing in powder. Exactly. Yeah. Well, also is it, you know, all those silica packets, they always say don't do not eat.

Do not eat. And then they look so delicious. There is a silica packet in my like Panda Express delivery. Then thanks for clarifying not to eat it. If there's a silica packet in my delivery of like hand soap, it's a snack. I wasn't in food. Well, I was like it. It doesn't tasty.

It looks like candy. I have to say Jacob would make a great dog. doctor with regard to his bedside manner, which is, we found silicon in your blood, and that's no good. That's no good. We're checking whether or not we should do something. Come back in six to eight months. Here's some hyperprofit. Speaking of doctors, I've been going daco mode.

Nice. In that I... Fulsely claiming to have a medical degree? Yeah. And I was like that 18-year-old kid who was... Oh, my God. He went to jail or whatever. And he really just wanted to pretend.

I've always been trying to get to the bottom of my fatigue. And I have a new, I have a new theory. I have a new game theory and I brought it to my physician. And now we've got a new plan of attack. But there's part of me that's like, this shouldn't be my job. That is always an interesting move. Same with a psychiatrist. We're like, so I've been, you know, doing exactly what you say not to do, which is looking at myself.

No, that's a thing. I don't want to. And for me, it's not like, I'm looking it up my, it's like, because I have to. It's more of like, I have created a list of questions based around things that I have. Like, for example, my sleep study report, you know, and it's like what was in that and like, what things from my report that is written in like human understandable English, like, or not human understanding, but like layman's terms or whatever. Kind of thing a doctor got to get rid.

And then, and then me going like, hey, have we looked into this? Have we looked into that? It's more of that kind of thing. but I will say that it is not the best feeling when you go, hey, so I'm thinking this and this might be connected, and I noticed that we haven't tested for this. And they're like, you're right. That we should do that.

No. And I'm like, I was hoping you'd be like, actually, that's a horrible idea. And this is why. Because now I'm questioning everything you've ever said about anything. But it's more like, you know, your doctor is like they've got a big file that's like all the stuff that's ever happened to you. and they can't upload it to their brain at any, like at all times. And so there's so many things where it's like, okay, in 2018, someone said this to me.

And it's in my, it's in the records. You can see it. But like, it's not going to be top of mind for my physician who sees me like every six months to a year, you know? But it is, and Jarvis and I were talking about this yesterday. It is frustrating when you go and say, hey, doc, I've got this problem. And they go, okay, let's test. for this. Me too. They're like, yeah, it sucks, right? It's funny you bring that up. I'm actually

not doing so good with my wife right now. They test for that and then they go, oh, came back negative. You're all good. See ya. Yeah. And it's like, wait, I still have the problem. I do. And it's, it feels like our system is set up in a way that you kind of have to be the one making shit happen. I'm always a little, like, I'm always a bit resistant to like the anytime something, is anything, but especially like certain careers or certain positions are like above reproach where it's like, oh, no, I mean, they did a lot of homework. They're probably working really hard. I'm like, well, no, it's still based on the thing they do. You can be a bad at anything. And this is, I've had bad doctors and I've had good doctors. And they are different.

You've had the good doctor. He is a surgeon. I will say, though, that like, what you're saying is not wrong at all. And I have like, a doctor friend who I was talking to about this. And they were like, yeah, like medicine, especially in some of these fields, like fatigue is like, it's the thing you never want to hear because it's so hard to like figure it out. But also with some of the other, like I have some autoimmune stuff. And so much of that field of medicine is very rapidly like continuing to do. change and as a doctor you don't really have to like keep up right with the time so sometimes

your understanding of stuff is like more frozen in whenever you went to school and so exactly and and and and a lot of stuff you like you like learn stuff when you're doing your homework but then you forget it because I forget lots of stuff it's all the things you've ever learned but it's like it's foundational that like when it practically comes back you can connect it to You know, something that you know stuff about. But it's just, it is a difficult thing. But I think it's also like, I know so much more now having to like go to so many doctors to vet a doctor. Like I'm going to be, because my psychiatrist, for example, is always telling me about like, oh, I'm going to this conference or whatever.

I'm doing this. And it's like, so she's like aware of like the new research and stuff. And that makes me feel comforted that she's like keeping abreast of ongoings in the field, especially when like the field of psychiatry is like very rapidly evolving. And so that is like a thing I definitely am going to be looking for. I'm like I don't want like a cramudgeonly doctor who's like old school. I want somebody who's like keeping up with the times and knowing what's going on. Yeah.

Especially because it's not even like it's not even like a new. unproven treatment. It's like you may have something that's gotten 20 years of research and then is recent, and maybe in the past 10 years approved for a different use case, but because that person like wasn't taught it in school and it's maybe not, you know, top of mind, it might just be a blind spot,

you know what I mean? So it is like, it is things that can be like safe and proven treatments that just may not be, You know, yeah. I think it's, it's, maybe some, some my sourness about it, I think, does come from like, such an extended period of working with so many doctors, with so much, especially with EDS, like that it changes everything. Like, changes the way anesthetic works, drawing blood tests, a period of time required for

different tests, surgeries, everything. And the number of times where I've, like, said, like, hey, almost like using communication learned in business to be like, hey, I'm going to top of mind this thing. so that everything else you do, like I'm managing them. And then I don't, I don't see it as anything but laziness. Yeah, yeah. To not bother thinking about that. And that's fine.

Everyone does it. Everyone compromises, maybe this is a thing here and there. But this like notion that applies to that and then also like, I feel like, uh, uh, uh, uh, any, any kind of like career or work where people don't have a common understanding of it gets this kind of like easy pass on. No, you're a bad plumber. You did a bad job. Yeah, well, it's like you need, you need, uh, it's, it's really tough to vet, right?

Like, because you don't have a, you don't have a cabal of people in the industry who can vet whether or not something is, is good or trustworthy. It's like, uh, taking advantage of the mask a little bit. And I'm like, dude, I don't know, man. Seems like you just. didn't remember this appointment was happening. And it's like, I had a bunch of stuff going on.

I will say that I, there is an aspect to which I get it because, like, we are the main characters of our own world and we have like such an, uh, intimate knowledge of all of our stuff. But then if you are seeing, you know,

dozens, hundreds of patients a month or more, it's, you can't like keep everyone's everything in, in, you know, your mind at the same time. But then you shouldn't be telling me you could.

Yeah. I think you're not fair. If you want. If they are. telling you, then that's, yeah, they're like, yeah, of course, we'll have a follow-up appointment. Did you take that ibuprofen six months ago? Yeah. I actually did, yeah.

Okay, no worries. You know who else doesn't have a whole cabal, a whole team of people working with them? Okay, wait, let me figure this out. Let me see this pivot. Is it two teen trad wife? No, it's Yu Meng Sheen and his mother, Li Fong Sung, who made a movie. This is like the new most profitable movie of all time. And it is like I, there's been various stages of like imagine the stages of grief.

But instead it's the stages of like meme. I want to apologize saying those names. I probably did not say them correctly. It's a Chinese movie. I will say we and I'm not too proud to admit this. I would say my all of our mandarin is like. It's rusty. It's rusty.

It's, I mean, it was. It's great. Oh, my tones are all off. Yeah. I just, I get a little stuffed in the nose sometimes. I know Mom Donnie. You know what I'm saying? To start, it was, wow, look at this movie.

The looks like absolute shit. That's the first. Tip of the ice book. Like in 20206, you say. Ah. Now, what is the, this was taken on, this is a photo of a TV on a Nokia? What does it look like this? I think it's just the movie.

It's, well, yeah, I believe this may be a photo of the theater screen. Oh, yeah. And it was taken on like an old triptych device where they put their head under the camera and they have to like pull. It does look like educational content from like the 1960s. Yeah, this is like an allegory for Christianity or something. Oh, for sure is a Christian movie from like 1981. It's like, wait, it's like it's computer generated, but they still made it as though someone's in the costume. He could have made it look like anything.

I know. It's like perplexing because how do you even make something like this? It's kind of a vibe. And so that's the thing. So, so first it's like, okay, this looks like shit. Why is it in theaters? Blah, blah, blah. But then you learn that it was created by a mother and son over, I want to say five years.

That's cute. You can't remember the timeline. And they created it because I think the son wanted to like realize some story or something. That's cool. I'm pretty sure it's based on a folk story. I feel like you guys have not remembered anything from Chinese history. class all your Mandarin studies. That's true.

You know, it's a thing that it's like, because now that it's not top of mind, it's kind of like my, it's kind of like my, my study in internal medicine. Right. Which I can be really forgetful about as well. Yeah, yeah.

It's like I'm always forgetting, like, about my, you know, thyroid antibodies. Et cetera. Et cetera. TPO. T.O. T.S.H. DPH. God, that's a really funny image.

It looks like a telitobi. It does. He's stanced up and everything. I was going to say this kind of looks like late 80s. early 90s computer graphics. Yeah, this would be about for like abstinence. There's a, there in this movie,

the Mighty Morph and Power Rangers movie, which came out in I think 1996, there is a, there's a couple of CGI scenes that have similar texture to some of the, the textured vibes on this. It looks like Johnny Nemonit.

No, it doesn't. So, uh, the, okay, so yeah, so this is important. As reported by the independent, Lee Fon taught herself screenwriting to make the project happen as well as voicing all the female characters.

Meanwhile, Umeng, who only had an interior design background, voiced all the male characters in addition to directing, using secondhand computers to handle the animation, editing, and so on. The entire thing was essentially a two-hander. Two-hander. Like a run two-handed sword. Like a zwhi-hand. Yeah. Little did they know the crude animation style, along with the power of internet roasting, was all the marketing you need. So while the film initially did quite poorly, only earning the equivalent of around $1,400 in the first 10 days.

And that was like what I first saw. I saw a screenshot of like the teladabby looking ox guy. And it was like this movie only made $1,400. And it's like obviously. Obviously, I'm surprised it made that much. Like that's how you feel. But then it went viral because of how it looks. And now it's made millions of dollars.

And people are going to see it. And it costs like next to nothing to make. And it's also a heartwarming thing because in the time of AI slop, uh, human slop is something to be celebrated. Yeah. There's also maybe a little fraction, teeny fraction of, um, aesthetic nostalgia. Like I look at that and I do, I do have a fondness for that moment. Yeah.

Sorry, is the translation, cow come? Like, that's the literal translation. So I guess it's like, come, cow arrive or something. arrive or come to me, Cal. Okay. Cow arrive. Okay. So anyway.

That's a little better. I was wondering why it looked like that. So, Uming has an interior design background. The thing that clicked everything into place for me is finding out that this movie was not made in animating software. It was made in like, uh,

architectural drafting software. I was going genuinely going to guess that. Yeah. Because I'm like, well, we've mentioned the interior design background. Yeah. Like some kind of like CAD. I, yeah.

I want to, can we look at what exactly was made in? I'm sorry, I can't get over that. Just charming mouth. That one looks like AI, like upskilled it. He's handsome. You've got little penises phones. How come? Right, that's white.

Sketchup. It was made in Sketchup. Sketch up. It's a proprietary 3D modeling and computer-aided design. I've heard of this. What years it from? It's like a current software. Yeah, I was going to say it's like a round.

Yeah, it's a current software, but... It's a Google software. Oh, Google made it. Or Google. And then they sold it to Trimble, which also makes like... Fake streaming service? That is fake streaming service. But they did.

So on Wikipedia, it says they couldn't buy new versions of it. So they were buying like kind of secondhand. Yeah, because they were using old computers. Yeah. That's awesome. I mean, I think that this is such an interesting story. I do like the idea that like thinking, Would this have been popular 10 years ago before or even five years ago before AI was such a huge art of our?

The authenticity buff. We have had things that like are good because they're bad, you know? I mean, even Skibbini Toilet wasn't like perfectly. Popular. All right. Watch your mouth. I disagree completely. Yeah.

I'd say that pretty much. I mean, it won so many Oscars. What are you talking about? Sorry. Shen Yu Ming came up with the idea for New Lie in 2021 and chose to have the plot revolve around an ox as his father was born during the year of the ox. And 2021 was the year of the ox as well. Production on the film took over five years and cost several thousand yuan, which is like, I don't know the current conversion rate, but it's not a lot of money. Like way smaller number in dollars, huh?

That'd be like hundreds of dollars. Exactly, yeah. They bought secondhand hardware online as new hardware was too expensive. Sketchup and architectural modeling program was used for the animation instead of specialized animation software. I don't even know how you make animations in SketchUp. That does seem like hard. Like, I get that you already know how to use it. That does seem hard.

It might be worth just like watching a YouTube video on using the different software. Okay, so then I'm like how. So my question was how did this even get released? Yeah, why is it in a movie theater? Yeah. The only advertisement for the film was one poster using traditional inkwash painting. It looked cool. The theater staff did not have...

The poster looks great. I haven't seen it. The theater staff did not have proper promotional posters and some of the theater staff resorted to drawing, hand-drawn posters of the movie. Tianjin Yamazaki film was advised against releasing Uly due to its quality but chose to do so due to it being run by a friend of shin. Oh, nice. Slick.

It premiered in 245 theaters, which is so many screens. That's a lot. For any independent movie. Oh, but then in nine days, it was reduced to four theaters. Okay. In nine days, had it had its moment yet? I don't think so. I don't think so.

Yeah. Cooking. These were the posters. The hand-drawn posters that. I thought that was just, I thought that was fan art. On the IMDB was the painting that I saw a second ago when we pulled that up. That was actually like painterly and would trick you. This is just funny because it's like there, there are these big theater posters next to

professional It is Yeah, it's very grabbing for that I would be like, wait, what? This looks cool. I mean, this looks like, to be bad,

this is like, like a, like a, he looks like a Mr. Cuddles or whatever. He looks sad in that last one. He's bummed out. Here comes the cow.

Here comes the cow. Here comes the cow. That makes more sense. Here comes the cow. Cows gonna come. No, no, Jordan. I'm sorry, my Mandarin is messy as I say. Yeah.

I just can't. It's supposed to be like the Garden of Eden. It is so like if you've ever tried making anything, each one of these shots is like, you know, it takes work. You know what I mean? If this was a pre-vis, then we would say like, wow, they did that open. They made a pre-vis. Oh, 100%.

Yeah, doing something solo. It's currently rivaling the Odyssey in China. This is an Odyssey if you really think about it. Yeah, at least it's shorter. Oh, wow. Oh, I get that part. You're all right? I'm sorry, first of it.

I thought you went, you're right? You're alive? Who are right? Jesus? You yell at snake? I'm just, I'm also like, I have so many questions about how something like this is made in sketchup. Like, does it have a timeline?

It's, are you... Frame by frame, I guess. That's why I'm like, it can't have been frame by frame. Like, can you, wait, can you Google, can you animate in Sketchup? Like, show a couch moving around? Because I'm like, also.

Also, can you sync audio? Like, did you have to do all the shots and then just, like, do the voices after? I guess you would do that with normal stuff. Okay. Okay. You can create timelines. That's a relief. But native tools are limited.

Yeah. Oh, I suppose you would have, like, a floating camera to show the interior of the apartment. Exactly. Yeah. But I was, and I guess, like... Probably not a big cow. Because you know, you know those AI, like interior design, or not AI, but those interior design videos that I've made, like, videos about before.

Oh, where everything's flying all over the place. Yeah, exactly. I was always wondering what those were made in because it is some sort of tool, like, because they all look pretty identical. The whole, I promise I managed to tie this back. The whole is Nicholas Cage a good actor thing has always kind of bothered me. It's a funny bit. And the foundation of it, obviously, is from a very funny show.

But the people who are like genuinely engaging with it, I think are falling for the trap of mixing up skill and box office success and like critical acclaim. Like you're only as good as your latest thing or like every bad song you make makes your last good song worse. Like it pulls it down,

which is a very like intuitive way to think of art but is not the actual experience of making it right. Well, it's intuitive because of capitalism. Yeah, it feels like... Because of the amount of capital things generate is a proxy for value and quality. Nick Cage is not a man. He's a utility.

He's software, right? And it's like, oh, you used it. wrong. You've animated in sketch. You're bad at this. I kind of feel the same way about art that is kind of sloppy or weird. Especially in box office. Like if it gets released in

a theater, there's something that happens in people's brain where they go like, it is morally wrong if this is not well put together. Yeah. Yeah. You have done something to me as opposed to like I've spent my hard-earned money. I took off or I have like only so much time where I'm not working and

doing leisurely activities. So I get it. if you would have a certain expectation of the media that you pay to consume. But it is funny to think of walking into the theater, seeing all the posters available and be like, probably that one. I think it's just like the, here comes a cow. And then I think that there's also like a, there's a story to experiencing this now. It's sweet. People, yeah.

We just don't normally get to see this. Right. I made way worse stuff for new grounds that like this that no longer exists. Sorry, guys. It exists in the ether. in the memory. It's old grounds now. It's all grounds. It is, I buried that and did not properly media conserve, but my machinomas did exist at some point. Funny stuff. I've got, I've got at least, like, I've got pieces of flash animations in my email.

They just don't. They're mostly just me emailing Russell and it's like a walking animation of like a stick figure. It was fun trying to do the bouncing ball, like all the traditional stuff. But it, the only difference is like our trash or our early projects is not visible as opposed to, like, like, you know, just that demerit, something you make next or fucking out, man, if I'm making this, if I'm making a gourmet meal with only a microwave, then you better bet I could make a solid meal with a kitchen, right? A succulent Chinese meal. If you make a circular Chinese meal with software designed to look at a couch, that's pretty

solid. That reminds me, I worked with an interior designer once and they used Excel. It was like a Google sheet that somehow was like, they used it to like draw in my, like, I don't understand. There were like inline images in a cell. Yeah, like I would click on various parts of it and then it would like highlight the like individual cell of the thing behind it. And I'm like, how did you make this? It would be easier in word. Yeah, no, truly.

It would be easier in sketch up. I'll tell you that. Oh, yeah, I'll tell you that much. You can make a whole movie about it. I sent Jacob a music video. That image every time it comes up. This seems like something that would be your profile picture. Wait.

Hold up. I sent Jacob a music video. We can't listen to the music because we'll get copyright claimed. But it's dire straits in the late 80s had a very popular music video. And I remember when it came out as a child. But people kept going like, oh my God, this is incredible. How did they make this? I mean, maybe.

Kind of friends. Um, oh cool. Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. This is giving Rugrats. Like, not in 3D, but like, like the interior design. Like the interior design. Looks like Ness.

It doesn't like Ness. Adult Ness. Stu Pickle, is that Tommy Pickle's dad's name? Yes. Terrible father. Pickles, yeah. Nightmare. Yeah.

Well, he's going inside the TV. That happens in Digimon the movie, which I also have on VHS behind me. Going into a TV, I felt like was the default way for a kid. adventure for like 10 years. By the way, I hate this part with the real people and I want to go back to the man. That's pretty cool though, like the kind of drawing over and paint over. I think that's giving like take on me. Yeah, rotoscoping.

They did that for like some of those early Disney movies in the 40s. But yeah, this kind of 3D computer graphics. Do you reckon any kids tried to run into a painting after playing Mario 64? After fighting for a Stimple boss, I tried to find Gannendorf in every painting. Where is he? Which one's the real one? Show me. I hate the bet.

I jumped into the Mona Lisa and they shot me. They shot me dead. What are you? What are you doing? No new cow face. Oh, yeah. I see. I see, I see.

It's the whiteness of the smile there. Ah, here comes the cow. If you can somehow merge your face with that cow, I think you would have a great profile. Great, but also upsetting. I think it's the neutrality that I'm showing you to find them. It's like true zen. He's shared his darma. Your eyes need to look angrier.

Well, he's pissed there. He's pretty bad. He's found of honor. He's reached enlightenment. I do love that he's a bipedal ox. Do you think this? Is this folk story of the scale where everybody's saying it is like, oh, yes. Oh, wait.

Can we look up Boys to Men Buffalo? Boys to men as a group were on Masked Singer. And by the way, the other day, I listened to all of their performances. for mass singer, incredible. They still have the voices of angels. They're perfect. Yeah, there we go.

Oh, my God. This is, Ken Jong's popping off. Oh, my God. You know how many leather daddies probably were obsessed with this? Crazy first instinct. I was going to say furrows, but...

I basically looked at a list of people who've been on the mass singer and then I went and listened to everyone that I wanted to hear because I have a thing for like live music. musical performance and it's like really hard to find these days. Yeah. Like actual, you know.

I guess maybe that's what gives a good buff to this show. From, it seems fun, but it's crazy that it's like one of the biggest shows on the planet. Also, isn't it crazy that so many problematic people are hosting this? Like, oh, like Nick Cannon and. Robin Thick. Yeah. Oh yeah. Your friend, Robin Thick.

My close personal friend, Robin Thick. The only thing I know about this show is that Ken Jong walked off one time because like the mass singer turned out to be like Mike Pence or something. Yeah, no, it turned out to be Rudy Giuliani. Oh, it might have been really good. That would make the most sense. He probably didn't mean to turn up though. Yeah, I guess I looked at people, like when I looked at this list, I looked at people who

were like famous performers. And then I was like, oh, I want to hear. It's funny to be like, there's these great singers and they did a really good job on the good singing show. Well, that's the thing. It's just like you, for me, I, I'm the guy who like listens to like live mic feeds of like old performances if you can find them because I'm interested in like because now there's so much actually the singer Jojo had to get TikTok about this like nowadays it goes viral if you have a

vocal mistake in your performance and so they're incentivized to use like a tune and pitch correction like heavily in their mics and stuff because it can hurt your career if you ever sound bad It's another case of like, I don't understand the instinct to want pure, unambitious, reliable, consistent quality. Like, I don't want to watch the new Netflix show, Harlan Coburn's Cardboard Box or whatever. I know. Like, don't you want to, isn't that why you paid a ticket? Like, you wanted something a little different? Yeah, it's so, I think it's maybe just like the, like, audiences relationship with the art form has shifted over time.

Because I even remember, I want to say it's like, Christina, Gilera or Mariah Carey. Like, I think maybe it was Mariah Carey, who's like, an incredible, like, one of the best pop stars of our time and didn't have like monitor or her monitor was out of sync. And so she sounded really weird or bad. And it like goes viral. And it's like, no, the, the story here isn't that Mariah Carey can't sing. It's that we don't understand the logistics of a live performance and how difficult it is to hear like you need the in-ear monitor, like a lot of performers, most performers, perform at the in-air monitor because they can't hear the music or they have a metronome track or something to stay like on beat because otherwise it's like really

difficult. And then like you fall out of sync with that and it's like your circadian rhythms like falling out of. I think it feels good to for some people to like snipe the mistake. Yeah. Like because it's like well now I'm involved in the dialogue. Well, but then also that. But then there's an audience for it because um actually can we just look up jojo uh she's just known by jojo she had that song leave get out when she was like 14 years old rabbit she's also like an incredible singer it's like i wish she had like more of a like she had a good career and she like has gone back to performing and stuff but sounds like a bizarre adventure yeah jojo's bizarre adventure when i was in elementary school like kindergarten kids called me stacey they call me stacey they call me

That's not my name. That was not your name. It's not my name. I thought you were just referencing that song. Why the hell do they call you Stacy? I think little kids found it hard to say, Anastasia. Oh. Like in kindergarten in first grade.

They were working on the pieces. It's like how their movie's not called Calcom. But it like kind of is. Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly like that. It just depends on how much of your Mandarin classes you've got kept up with. Kieranite. No, it's Jojo.

That's so much like Carolina. She's, by the way, like her singing. is so unbelievably good. Like she's such an incredible singer. We're also recording this right after finding out that Dolly Parton has passed away. Yeah. And I'll listen to her live performances.

I'll be like, God damn, she has a good voice. Yeah. It's crazy. Like, it's so exciting to hear good singers, good voices, you know? It's just like because of how standards and expectations have changed, you kind of don't need to be a great, live singer anymore to be a successful musician.

Yeah. And, or in that, like, you could have music that seemingly relies on, like, your singing, but then not, like, need to be, uh, you don't have to rely on your, like, raw vocals anymore. It was a prerequisite. It was like, you have to have, like, if you're an actor in the 40s, you have to be able to dance. And that's why the boys to men performances on mass singer are so captivating as the Buffaloes.

Did they ask them questions and, you? stuff. I cannot imagine ever guessing who a man single was. Yes, they do ask some questions and they give little like vignettes of them doing things where they give clues. And there was, I think

it was the first season as well. Joey Fatone was on it. Yeah. And it was so fucked up because they kept going, oh God, I think it's Joey Faton, but I think he would be fatter. They kept saying that. Oh, I have only seen the highlights. And I hadn't seen that because the clips of him

performing, it's like, it is, it's, I just saw a clip of, um, uh, Zach Efron in that movie where he's like the wrestler. Oh, I have claw. Or is there another movie he was in recently where it's like a family or that's that's, I don't know. Yeah, there's like a, there's like a line dance scene in that movie, I think. And then like, Zach Ephron is like doing the line dance and he's doing it so effortlessly compared to everyone else. And then they're like, yeah, he went to the kiddie or take a school of like dancing good. And like, Tom Holland could do flip. because he did ballet for like a decade. Yeah, and it's like, so you watch Joey the fat one fat one fatone.

It's like they would call him. And he's like so incredible as a performer. And it's you just, it's like watching an NBA athlete like play a regular person. They're like, oh, he's like singing. He's doing. He's like fucking hitting the choreography and stuff. And it's like he doesn't look the way that like. Yeah, it can be.

It can't possibly be a storied like performer who, performed in stadiums for his entire young adult and mid-adult life. Is there someone who's Joey Fetone in every single way, but then he killed it. He was awesome. He killed it. He was so good. I was sad because Chris Kirkpatrick, I think, only got one performance before he was eliminated. And he's the one who, uh, he was Chip Skylark.

He's saying my shiny teeth and me and stuff. He's awesome. Uh, he's like the counter tenor in NSYNC. He sings all the high parts. And, um, and, uh, he didn't get a shot, man. He didn't, he didn't get a shot. When you said you love seeking out live performances, he was a goat. I was going to mention that when we first started working together, we would just like spend so much time like watching in sync live videos from the 90s.

And it'd be like mic only. So you don't hear the music. And you hear them singing and dancing at the same time so well. It is so bizarre. Like because it's a they were, it's, I guess you get this now with K-pop. because the amount of... They give them the super soldiers favorite. No, literally, it's like Lou Pearlman

had them in a like a Miami like un-air-conditioned like box singing and dancing on treadmills. So like perfect... Essentially it's like boot camp. Yeah. Seal Team Six. No, literally they're like the Sealed Team Six

of like Disney Channel dancing. He's like teaching them how to sing perfect notes breathing in as well as breathing out. Yeah, it's like a training arc and like Demon Slash. It's like if you like, uh, uh, J.C. is the most ridiculous version of this because he has such a like strong, soulful, like,

belty voice that he is somehow hitting while like doing it like doesn't make any sense. And he's like, you do not stop moving. They don't stop moving. And you can hear the breaths and stuff, but it's like, he's still hitting. And that is a thing that it's like, you don't need to have that skill set. And you probably, no one should ever have to like the Jackson 5 shouldn't have had to develop that skill set. You know, it's like under immense, under immense pressure and abuse did this happen? But the marvel of the actual, like, output of them as artists is like,

it could have been done with affection, but it's insane what they were. And a lot about the way I suppose. But anyway, this Jojo thing. The standard for live singing isn't human anymore. But I just think this shift in standard is really fascinating. And the kind of thing that I want to talk about. Why is this so common? A lot of it has to do with.

I like that. That's from pop-up video. the pop and the little speech bubble thing she's like using I love it it's like an homage I could have sworn

yeah anyway continue I was like okay it's fine it's fine no one like one crack can just go viral while 89 minutes of wonderful singing is going to get ignored so the pressure to sound perfect

has never been higher artists who can really sing often just want to be as competitive as possible I have a question are you guys do you think people like attending

would care if it is a live track or not? I think those are the people who expect it to sound like their record nowadays. That's what I mean. But I mean if they were told explicitly after the show, would they care?

I think they would be mean about it. If they were told it's a recorded vocal track? Yeah. People have extremely high expectations for live shows. They have the high expectations. I'm just wondering

if that as a value has been removed. So, like, they have high expectations, but, like, it's like to blooms. Like, they may have high value 200 years ago, but, like, do they literally care at all? Do they care? Like, if they watch The Odyssey, they go, wait, that's Matt Damon. That's not Odysseus. Like, no, I know he's an actor. I know how movies work.

Like, is we not like a media style, media consumption style where they're like, yeah, K-pop singers are like obviously not actually friends in real life? It's like part of the game or something. I don't think so. people think they're real friends in real life and... Judging by what I see on Stan Twitter... Judging by the, like, yeah, Stan Twitter. And they are and we love them.

Especially the one you like. Like, have obsessed with him or... Together. And I'm also shipping those ones. The bias. That's my bias. Like whenever Harry Styles is dating a new person or... I think he's married now, right?

But he... Did he do it Harry style? I wouldn't matter. Ew. They his fans are like, no, he's in love with Louis or whatever. And it's like, y'all need to chill.

Let this boy live his life. He's a man now. What are we talking about? Cow animation. Ah, yes. We could go to another topic. We were talking about cowcum. Ah, yes, here comes the cow. Yeah, let's go back to the board.

Oh, wait, keep the image. Keep the image. neutral eyes neutral eye neutralize your neutral eyes your neutral eyes your eyes need to be more square actually or rectangular i don't think i can do it as well but actually you're right the pout is what i was your lips need to be more yeah not ducky exactly but slightly ducked it's like pilates you're like a bead of sweats coming down i feel like i'm pulling new parts of my head i think you both got close thank you um who won you you decide what is Put down in the comments who you think is more like...

Calcom. New lie. I think, yeah. You lied. You lied to me. Jarvis, what's this Honda engineer thing? I didn't know what that was. I was literally going to bring this up.

Have you guys seen this? No. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay, so let me show you something. I want to show you a few things. Zip. And then I'm going to ask.

Hang on. Rezips. Apologizes. A few things. Slash me, scratch his head awkwardly. You're dating someone. You really like them. I want to show you a few things.

Let me slip into a few things. A girl comes back to my place. Let me slip into something more comfortable. I go, I put my gear on. I put on my full buffalo costume. Do you know who this is? Could you guess? So this guy kind of always comes to work with hair like this.

He lives in Midgar from my understanding. Yeah, he was in Midgar, slash Planet Viggen. Jita. And he, I think his name is Shotaro Odate. And he's the chief engineer at Honda. I love this guy. He's awesome. And he has like 250 patents. And there were reports that he was 80 years old. That is not true. But guess how old he is? God. Three. Okay. He could be anywhere between 30 and 70.

Okay. I think he's like 48. Oh, okay. So maybe I buried, I messed that up. I mean, he'll be 50 in no time. Actually, 48 makes the most sense. But then, but also he's like a, he like never misses the gym. And look at the, Jacob, I sent the photo of him just mauging.

Oh, no. I think if you've been luxemaxing for 30 years, that's more admirable. free hell yeah dude is this not fucking sick as hell oh my god yes that is he is high pants

long pants or tall shoes both both this is too much this is who I want to be when I grew up it kind of looks like like three different guys

like put together oh I guess he's the advanced safety research lead he looks like a cartoon and he's obsessed with saving lives Yeah, don't try to stop me. He stopped multiple cars. We come in tomorrow and Jarvis looks exactly like this. Yeah, and I'm just doing this.

I'm like, who do I look like? And they're like, I don't, I don't, why you have that on your head? Genuine question. I bought a Vegeta like costume. Very genuine question. Death perception. That is a problem with this haircut. Death perception.

This, you don't have it with that haircut. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't, I never had a carves a little circle out. So they can see what they're going on. sacrificing one eye. For us. He's actually showing you how much he relies on the safety systems inside of Honda cars. He has both eyes closed.

He doesn't look with his eyes. He has the sharon gun, so he has to hide it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They look so fire. Anyway, I don't know. I just thought this guy was awesome. Yeah, this guy's cool. It's interesting to-

His suit can't even contain him. I'm sure the menswear guy would be upset about this. It's probably, I mean, he's wearing like a Daniel Craig suit where it's like a skid tight. Yeah, I do love the. collar though it's like it's like so crisp this is incredibly uh like a dragon series coded oh my god like a yakuza you would have to fight him near he's like the henchman before the final guy and he tears off his shirt to reveal a huge coy fish to yeah who were it better dude that's what i'm saying it's Zach pha oh my god Zach hair um it's just funny to look like

that be like this and also still be good at your job i know that's the best part he should be bad He loves safety, dude. He can't... That actually is such an, like... Yeah, a caricature of, like, he looks like this. He's super buff, but the real thing he cares about a safety. I did this for you. All right.

He's like the kind of character that would get a really overacted English dub. I know. Well, the thing is, I was like, let me not say that this Japanese man looks like an anime character, but, like, specifically with this hair... The hair. It's like... If somebody was wearing a full, like, adventure time costume and I'm not allowed to say it because they're white.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not allowed to say it because they're a dog. Oh, yeah, that's true. I do feel like I've seen this hair before in a cosplay situation. Yes. That's the number or like when I just so happened to go down to Lul Tokyo during anime Expo and I didn't know anime X-O-and-I-X-O-Hap. No, I didn't know any anime X-O was happening and it was crazy.

Likely story. You were cruising. Cruising for a lot. A bruising. I will say his hair looks like the Sometimes on my feed I get like AI slop videos of Real Life Dragon Ball Z

Oh yeah yeah Yeah this looks like evolution All right How do you? I wish Real hair? I was wiggin it It is his real hair Because there's like

There's a bunch of photos of him over time And he's just always styled his hair In like unique ways Dude does that like Is it? His house is alive That's like so much product so often Well, I have to imagine he's using some sort of special serum.

It's amazing. Maybe it just grows like that. No, yeah, yeah. No, I think it just grows like that. That happens, right? Hair like this makes me think that anime hairstyles are not as unrealistic. You know what I mean? Predicated on like, yeah, you could.

Because I've never seen, like, whenever I see like a cosplay or something, it like never looks as good as this. Yeah. And so I'm like, this guy's giving me hope. Yes, it's based on him. Yes. Okay. What else is on the board?

I love it. jacked guy for no, like he's jacked for no reason. So McDonald's customer info. Is this the thing, I missed pre-production this week because I was sick? Is this the thing where someone asked for the data that McDonald's has on them and they got a 500-page report? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God.

Vagely. I'm vaguely familiar. I'll be honest. Hi, vaguely. Hey, what's up? I don't know anything. I want to preface this conversation by saying, I have a weird relationship with food. Sometimes I feel large amounts of shame.

I think most people do. Like, food is a weird thing. Yeah. Sometimes we eat stuff and we feel so much shame. Necessary, but so much culture. If the places that I felt shame about sent me this report, I would be so sad. Yeah, see you. That's crazy.

McDonald's built. Oh, no, no, no, no, please, please. No, no, no, please. No, no, but I always do this. I always do it. No, no, but I always read it. You should, baby. I don't please.

McDonald's built a 515 page dossier on me. It says I'll never stop eating there. So this person is in their loyalty program. So that's why they have a dossier. The journalist wrote this. I see. It wasn't just somebody kind of doing it. Yeah.

And so there's a thing in California where if a company collects information on you, a lot of times you can write or submit some sort of request to get a data that they have on you. Yeah. A summary of the data that they have on you. Yeah. And so this person requested that data from McDonald's and they got back a 550,000. page document on all of the data they have from like their rewards program. So this is interesting. So I've eaten a lot of McDonald's in my life.

Same. And going back to the back, my early, one of my earliest memories, because back in the Stone Age, they had really, on Wednesdays you could get dinosaur burgers. And, you know, they would sell, they would sell like hamburgers for 30 cents and cheese burgers for like 40 cents or something and I have a memory of like going through the drive-thru and getting a clear plastic bag like handed to us like it felt like a like a bag that a criminal would steal from the bank you put it over your shoulder yeah and it was just full of burgers and we would we would have those for like a week anyway um nowadays if you go to the mcdonald's

drive-thru my understanding is that the first question they ask is are you using the app yeah would you like to use the McDonald's app today and you go no You know, reason. Because you're most people. Or if you're me, you say, my code is T.J.RQ. Do we need to beep that out? No, gives you a different code. Okay, okay.

So, people are going to hack my McDonald's. I thought it would be like referral where it's like you make a billion McDonald's bucks and you get free fries for life. Did you know, so I don't know if everyone's doing this, but I heard this recently at a Taco Bell where it is like a weird. robot or it's like a lady's voice, but it's like, I don't know if it's AI. You just reminded me something. Write down robots. Continue. Um, it says, would you like to use the app today? And you go, no. And it's like, okay, one moment, please. Or you say yes. And it goes,

okay, what's your name? And you say, Thomas. That's my name. Jordan. What's your name? And she goes, one moment, please. okay you can move ahead and so it's like it feels weird rolling up to the window like is she here I'm surprised that it's taken

this long because we don't even need generative AI for that process she sounds beautiful have you're in love with the Taco Bell I mean I'd be willing to use that have you guys seen the video of the guy who speaks Japanese

to the the Google Gemini voice app and then he tells it something bad and it freaks out? No. I'm trying to think of memberships I have where I could do this for the show. Yeah, what have memberships? The AMC, A-LIST app.

Oh, the A-List app. A-List app. It'll tell you how many mozzarella sticks I've ordered. Oh, God, no. I ordered a 515-page Stubbs Breakdown. The dossier estimated I'd visit 2.16 times before mid-September and spend exactly $29.15. A label of my core behaviors as a food-led afternoon snack and an on-the-go lunch in a rush.

So there's like a saying that is not just a saying. It's literally how the world works, which is like if a product is free, you're the product. Yeah. And the fact that using the McDonald's app got you deals in the first place and things are so much cheaper with the app always made me think that, you know, this was happening. You know what I mean? It's the same thing as like when. they tell you to put your phone number in or whatever at the grocery store. And if you really don't want them to generate a file on you, you could like use a Google

voice number. You could like, you could still get those deals because the average person is not masking their identity data. And so go off and get all the deals you want, by the way, everyone. Me, my dad and my sister are still using the phone number for Vons deals that we have been using since like 1997. I didn't know there was a phone number for Vaughn's. Also that burq.

No, no, no. It's like our old phone number. Oh, I thought you were saying, hello, thank you for calling the Vaughn's Deal Center. Today, there's a deal on eggs because they're going to give you the death plate. We put that little parasite in an all new type of cabbage. There's also deals on lettuce and every other food apparently.

So at any like, like, Vons and like Ralph's, any croaker stores, you put. put your phone number when you check out and it connects to your account. But you can also, I found this out when I was door dashing, you can just put in 5-5-5, like just all fives, and it'll still give you the deals, but then you don't have to use it. There's also like, there's websites. There used to be this Chrome extension. I think it's a little website called Bug Me Not,

where you can get logins for websites. They require you to log in so that you don't have to create an account. And then there's also, I mean, just if people like care about their privacy and stuff, there are websites that give you temporary emails that you can receive emails on the inbox for. So if you want to like give something an email to receive a something like a code, if you just want to make like a fleeting account on something, there are temporary email websites. I don't know, maybe it escalates.

But like, are you being surprised by this? I think that it's. I think 515 pages is. a surprising amount of pages. Like, I don't understand why that, like, what amount of data, like, what is that? I presumably it's like every single transaction, right? But even that, like, that fills 500 pages? Maybe they're trying to meet the word count, but it's big text.

Yeah, yeah. It's every page starts with that, like, medieval giant first letter. The, yeah. Anyway, did that say, did I already say that burger looks good? Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. The McDonald's loyalty program is pretty new, right? It's like within the last six or seven years. Yeah, yeah, I would say that.

What is, is that chicken tenders to the left of the fries? Yeah, I think it's chicken nuggets. Oh, because it's like they look too long, you know? I think they're just really close. It's forced perspective. It also looks kind of like mashed potatoes if you squint. It's like Gandalf and then the burgers. Frodo.

The McDonald's rewards program was launched in the summer of 2021. Yeah, 2021. That's what I thought because I remember

happening around the end of the end of it. And so I don't know that's 100 pages per year. That's crazy. This guy's really interesting.

Maybe he eats a lot of McDonald's. You know what? Here's another thing. I bet you even though I don't have a McDonald's loyalty account, I could probably request data based on my credit card.

That's the other thing is places like Target, they actually, they have loyalty programs, but they just keep your data based on your credit card or whatever card you use most. Because you're always looking for unique identifiers because you want to be able to do analysis on your customers, but it ends up turning into like a surveillance type vibe. And there's a famous story from at this point 15 years ago of a um like saw like a family like getting mailed uh something addressed to their like teen daughter about pregnancy and oh she didn't know that she was pregnant but they basically predicted based on purchase patterns yeah that they were expecting do you think if i requested my

information from target they would accurately send me 515 pages about command strips i bought and then lost. Yeah. Unused purchases of floating shelves. Yeah. If I did, if I did it to Logitech, they would send me all of the cutting edge new mouse technology that I buy and then immediately buy the next year because I think a new mouse will change me. She could do it. She's different. This will be different. I need the X2.

Let's see what else he has to say. This burger boy. Show me the burger boy. Show me the boy. Much of my 515 page report was a detailed history of my McDonald's habits. Every time I opened the app to grab a bite to eat, it created a detailed record of when I win. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What was that? Wait, wait.

There was one line there. And it just said, ouch. Potential odds I'll stop being a customer and then maybe something. Ouch. Interesting. Ouchy. My total predicted value to McDonald's over those six weeks. Why is it all in the first person?

Yeah, that's weird. I wonder if it's just like AI, like there's like a GPT filter over this or something. It is very, it is a little too personable. Yeah. I would love like. The ouch is freaking me out. I want legalese nonsense. Freaking me out.

Yeah. Freaking out. It would if it's like he was wearing a red shirt. It really brought out his eyes. Huh? The hell? The doctor at the University of Washington I spoke to sees this power imbalance as impacting users saying that rather than benefiting customers as sweet deals,

loyalty programs can be used for long-term surveillance. Okay. Yeah, of course. Can we pause for a second? Mark Zuckerberg, I do not give you permission to use my images. This is, okay, okay, okay, maybe this is me kind of being upset with the state of mainstream media or whatever, but like a professor didn't have to tell you now. No. Because this is like, this has been, this has been like reported on for decades at this point.

A professor. A professor of McDonald's. tell me this? Professor Gray Matter, my brain. That's what I call it. Yeah, I actually got my

knowledge from an old captain of mine. Captain Obdeus. No, no, no. But I get you obviously want to source stuff, but maybe it's the combination of the framing with like what it is where it's like, we spoke to

an expert on marketing. And they said companies collect data to get better at And everybody goes, what? We spoke with Gordon Ramsey and McDonald-McBurger. You can eat burger for have lunch. And this is important for like the average person to understand. And I think that these types of stories should always, you know.

Also, it's no, it's no, well, maybe it's a surprise to someone, but it shouldn't be a surprise. The McDonald's is a very large, horrible corporation that does bad things. Like, we've known this forever. Like take away the McGrathes. rib. That kind of stuff. Like that kind of stuff. Just check my 550

page report. It should have never went. And what happened to chicken selects? What if you got a report and it just said snatched? How nice with that, Phil? And by the way, can I say my biggest scrape with McDonald's? Damn, looking good today. What?

Other than the everything else. The overwhelming, yeah, practices. Yeah, whatever. It's like this drag in a company. There's, hasn't been a grilled chicken option in years. Also, I have to say, every time I go abroad. And anytime I've ever eaten McDonald's in another country, it's way better than here. I don't really eat McDonald's here because I'm vegetarian.

There's not like a ton for me to eat except for French fries, I guess. Usually chewing the grass outside your house and stuff. I went, but I did try McDonald's in Kenya when I was there with my sister just because we thought it was funny. Yeah. And they had a delicious vegetable masala burger. It was so good. I've had so many like international McDonald's because they have localized menu items and it's kind of interesting. It's so crazy that you're wearing one shoe.

I haven't taken it. And it's not like I haven't given you the other shoe. The folks are the shoe. You have the shoe. I need to take this one off, but I don't want to be rude to it, you know? Right. You don't want to hurt its feelings. Anyway, you can also like see your advertiser profile on websites like Google and websites like Facebook.

This YouTuber named Jarvis Johnson did this 10 years, seven years ago. at this point where he looked at his advertising profile on on Google and on Facebook and it and what it predicted about him and it kind of called him some like really dirty words. He's a cyber bully right? It called him he called him a

snively little boy I guess that's not good. It said he'll never amount to anything and he's very likely to order a McDouble tomorrow. What was your secret ending? Oh. Well first of all

Jacob, I sent a thing to Jacob, I want us to watch. That's just for fun. And then my secret ending is about the Chinese Robot Olympics. Have you guys seen this? I did see this. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm surprised I forgot about it until now.

You just finished an oeish meal at the osu shia san. And the waitress asks you, O'Kei-e-do-your-ish-is-is-is-kah? What do you say? S-missue-mas-sum-same. I don't know. But, but car on the

face it for a wettos. Oh, but just told the waitress, I want you to sit on the face.

Let's say you just finished the move. No! It's like that scene in the Matrix. But anyway.

About climbing into stuff? Yeah, so there is a I mean, basically it's like the summit of, of, of robotics research. research in in like humanoid robotics research is this like uh i think it's in

Beijing the the robot olympics where they're having robots compete in various Olympic tasks and it's she looks so real we've uh I mean they're getting really good I just think it's like important to what was that hey come back what the fuck was happening the guy's well that's yeah I mean he got he got he got hit in the head Yeah, so that I will show you the funniest part The scariest part is that how How crazy like we used to not be able to like make bipedal robots Yeah, they can walk upstairs

And now the bipedal robots can literally do like flying jump kicks And like peppy And they can run The week getting hit by wheel Military So what's so interesting about this is what's always been interesting about bipedal robots, why there's such a fascination with making a robot work like a human when there are so many other more efficient ways to

make a robot work. Exactly. And it's truly, it's like, it's wish of them and science fiction. Yeah. And probably our desire to lord power over things. I mean, I think there's a reason that the litmus test for their effectiveness is sport, a thing that only matters if it's people. There's nothing interesting about boxing events of people.

I will say I watch battlebots. I actually will disagree. I think this shit is mad interesting. It's neat, but like it's just rolling the dice in boxing, right? They're just, it's whichever one trips briefly. No, no, it's not because they all, there's like all these competing like research like organizations and they all have like different constructions and different like if you watch. I'm like knives and spinning flame throwers and like level it up a little bit.

I think they can do better. I mean, we're going to get, that's, well, that's that, I think that's what's fucking terrifying. Is it like every time we see a Boston Dynamics video, we go, why are we still making this? And then you see like, that, like, why are we doing the, the death dog that can, like, murder. Yeah. And then, and then it's basically like, now we have the, we have the fast running zombie robots that can run faster than Usain Bolt. So now we have the bipedal robots that could run faster than Usain Bolt. do flying jump kicks, not to mention they can shoot guns with perfect precision.

Yeah, that seems like the real... The habit old thing. So it's like we have the toolkit, the entire like load out of creating a horrific... Terminator. Terminator death bot. And but the videos that are the most funny is of the robots malfunctioning and breaking. So now we can go... It's always so good.

So there's a couple... This is like, you just wait. Do... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, my God. God. Yeah. He got hit like in Power Rangers.

He got like sparked out. He got Tekken hit. And that's, I mean, videos of robots freaking out. It's like one of those, it's like Will Smith Spaghetti where it's funny now and I do fear that it won't be funny

at some point in the future. I think it's very intuitively. It's funny in. It's slapstick. It's like an even, it's like a very low stakes version of like a kid harmlessly tripping where you're like,

oh, are they okay? And if so, it's very funny. Yeah. And it's like, but you never have to worry. if they're okay. I feel like people put so much money in tech, into tech,

into things that we don't need to solve these problems. We don't need robots to run races. What we need them to do is solve problems that humans can't. But we want to know, I guess we could run a race. And it's like, this is one of the things where it's like,

the argument, well, I don't even know if it's like the argument that they'll make, but it is true that typically you work on scoped problems to then generalize to larger problems. And there is research being done into robots that can pull people out of burning buildings and stuff. Right. Like that's happening. And so some of those things, you like need to have the building blocks for that. And so it's like why you build Deep Blue the chess robot, it's not just to play chess. You know what I mean?

I'd be honest because I was being a little facetious. I feel like I've made me in trouble. I agree with you in the sense that it's like, so we have a problem where there are minds in places still that we need to go and find them and extract them. I don't think a bipedal robot would be good for something like that. It probably would be better to have like tank tracks or something depending on the landscape. And so it's like I do understand why people want technology. to get better. I just think we are way too influenced by what you were saying before Jarvis with this like God complex of like wanting to like lord over something that looks like us. So Anastasia, what you are describing wanting, three halves like have spelled with a V, H-A-L-V-E-S.

And so this is a disaster response robot, but they did make it look horrifying. So if you just look at images, it is a seven foot tall centaur robot that is designed for disaster response and it looks fucking horrifying. Why did you give it that head? I don't know. I don't know any of the answers. They didn't even have to give it a head or arms. Especially not one that can stab you in a disaster. Look how big it is.

That's wild. And look at it. Oh, but the third image is crazy. I'm pretty sure I had a nightmare about this. Backrooms. It's like, yeah. It's like someone's at the door. Okay, imagine you're in a Scandinavian forest.

You turn. You see this. Hello. Well, it's a Scandinavian forest? Yeah. It's a resident probably. It's like one third of the population, I feel like. So this is like, I have the same opinion about this that I do about, like, the advancements

in AI where it's like from a research context and from a general like human ingenuity standpoint, I find this stuff super interesting. And in a best case scenario, there's lots of like practical applications that could aid humanity and society. The issue I have is that in our existing systems, like our existing capitalist system, for example, I do not have a lot of faith that this stuff will not be used and abused for bad reasons. I'm very, like, it's very exciting that, like, prior to this, there's never really been a good, we've never broken down the way we move into data before because we couldn't. We couldn't test it in this way. So you can test and develop prosthetic limbs now. Yeah.

You just can't do it another way. Like, there is no way to, like, backwards engineer it. You have to build it from base principles. But then I'm like, okay, sick. Now I can, like, run really fast anyway, got new leg, epic. And then on the flip side, it's like, and also we put a gaddling gun in the leg. Do you want to use that? Or it's like we've, we have, McDonald's has the data to your robot leg.

And it can tell like that your toes twinkle whenever you eat like a special french fry. And now they know how to like specially season your french fries for proper mind control or whatever. Would you like to use the app and your hand can't help but pick up the scan? Can you go to the leftmost one? This is just funny. In the weightlifting competition. Whoa. Oh, no.

He's upset. He's panicking. Alpha five. Rangers. Yeah, no, literally. That's what he said. And then, um... The stretcher is so funny.

I mean, but... That's got to be partially a joke, right? Well, how's you gonna carry him? I think it is... They are so heavy. They put him in a coffin. Okay, so then Squid game

Because I feel like Part of the reason that humans Can be upright and balance And stuff is because of our like tendons and stuff And how we can like micro adjust and stuff I think that I don't know this exactly to be true But I do think that part of the reason they're so heavy Other than to like

Safely enclose all of the interds and stuff Is for like balance and mechanical reasons We know how humans run Or we know how humans like move. Like walking is this inverted pendulum pattern and it's like detectable in like a pedometer because you can

see, you can use an accelerometer to like track the movements of a like for your phone to know how many steps you walk. Is using its internal accelerometer data to plot the sort of movement pattern. And it's not detecting this. Exactly. It's identifying

this very specific thing. And so this is this robot runs in a way that is more optimal because like you because we run in this like way and technically like you're introducing like air resistance and stuff and it when you like put your arm back and so if you didn't have to do that this is how you could run yes it looks like he's that's how you like run around when you bees get you an animal crossing yeah yeah but you see how it's like it's got a different

style than some of the other robots that are running. That is genuinely how you run when you're like six. Yeah. You have like, no, you just go like. Yeah. But it's also the thing it's like these and you know, I'll put it out. It's like when you say cute, it's like this is a thing. It is like a way to kind of play on your your human emotions to like project like personhood

onto these like inanimate objects. I mean, the little rounded face that I'm sure is completely unnecessary is cute. 100%. I'm not afraid. I'm not scared of this. I think it quite literally is Wally coded. Like, isn't that the shape of Wally's head? Yeah, it looks like Eva. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, I thought I thought this was interesting. Man, I really, really, really just don't think we could handle this as consumers. I just don't think the, especially Americans, I don't think they could handle having this. It's just the way, it's going to be like lime scooters. Just like thrown around Hollywood, just one of them burning. I will say this puts into perspective. the like Tesla robot that Elon's been promising. And how he's like completely like talking out of his ass because these robots are actually like

able to do things. What do you mean? That that one could stand in a group. Yeah, yeah. It could stand. It was just a man in a robot costume. All right. So we're going to head over to Sad Boys Nights, our Patreon exclusive podcast, where you can get at an

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One robot's head was kicked off, but it was still fighting. Is this a fighting tournament called Urkel? Oh yeah, because it's the United Robot Kickboxing League. That was my guess. That was probably, right? Knockout legend. Holy shit. Ultimate robot knockout legend.

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