Sad Boyz - Harassing People With Music (w/ Michelle Khare)

Episode Date: April 8, 2023

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Welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things. Also, I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan and today we're joined by a wonderful guest Michelle Kari. Hey sad boys and girl and girl Michelle Kari is the No Boys Michelle Kari if you were not familiar is the most powerful person I know I Don't know if you've ever been described that way, but you were not familiar, is the most powerful person I know. I don't know if you've ever been described that way, but you were very physically strong. You were very mentally strong.

You lifted us up by our necks when you walked through the door. Yeah, that's how I greet people. You were kind of an X-Man in that regard. You did it telepathically. Michelle Carre, YouTube star, content creator, host, extraordinaire, professional athlete. Can we call you that? I was. You were.

And now I think you're even more professional at many different things. Well, I'm a professional jack of all trades. There you go. Not really that great at anything. Is that what we – oh, great. Yeah, finally, we were looking for a way to describe it. What about if I'm bad at most things? Yeah, and not really good at anything at all. A joker.

How's it going? I'm great. I'm so excited. We're going to fight next week. I'm sorry, we just have to fucking say that. That's crazy. We're going to fight next week. Not each other.

Not each other. I would be destroyed. I would poof into dust and you'd never hear from me again. Yeah, you'd fly away like Team Rocket and make a little ding in the sky. Yeah, I'm blasting off again. Creator Clash is next week. This is, I don't know about for you,

but for me, this is like the last hard week of fight camp because you gotta recharge a little bit and be at your fullest, most rested self for the actual fight, which is on the 15th of April. We're recording this on the 4th.

How are you feeling? I've been training for the better part of a year because I found out at the last creator clash I was going to start. You've known for a year? More or less. That's amazing. I didn't start training for a few months, but- Ooh, downplay it.

Okay. I was able to, know from a technique standpoint he's cheated I mean he fell early I actually my arm is mechanical you just had all the time for all the surgery Aaron punches you and your head

doesn't move my face flap falls down to reveal my terminator steel skull gain grumps but you My face flap falls down to reveal my Terminator steel skull. Gain grumps. But you were not a last, last minute addition, but you've been called up on relatively short notice. Relatively.

Compared to everybody else. I mean, I haven't known for years. Unfortunately, I did a thing, was not able to compete, had an injury. And you were called up to, wait, how do I want to phrase this? You were the only hero that could potentially face Andrea Botez. Yeah, I mean, big props to her as well. I mean, this is crazy. I saw her. I mean, she thought with three weeks of training at chess boxing and I saw that event, I was there and I was super impressed with her. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I've heard she's very tenacious. she can't be

killed i mean i don't mean to scare you but yeah she yeah she's got a lot of secrets uh i'm sure in store for you a lot of secrets do you know it sounds like you've been talking to her um well i'm secretly training her i'm gonna be in her corner i'm gonna be like her her coach actually she's using huge gloves okay the size of you she's using 55 ounce so you so you heeded the call very relatively recently but i do understand that you were working on a boxing video yes was that before or yeah so basically so on my channel i do challenge accepted which you know where basically like i choose a different sport or profession or lifestyle to assume and like try to obtain the lifestyle. You saw the try guys and you were like these weaklings.

I'm going to try. We love the try guys too. I have to work together to do it. How about a girl? Try girl. Just one. And I'm going to do I'm going to do it how about they have to work together how about girl try girl just one and i'm gonna do i'm gonna do it harder better faster stronger you're never gonna see you're never gonna see zach oh yeah like uh in a burning building okay we love those guys but like you said before we started recording keith's a piece of shit don't even get me started on i'm not even gonna joke about that oh no we're joking uh zach

has been on the show uh we did delete it yeah i think that was the live streaming era no it actually was an episode that didn't come out because uh it was during the live streaming era and so it still exists on a hard drive somewhere oh my god um i think we're releasing a lot of those on the patreon we are we. Patreon.com slash sad boys. Come on, Patreon. But I don't want to undersell. And I know you've got like a full pitch for this. I did listen to the Colin and Samira episode.

But the amount of physical stress and strain you put yourself through on a regular basis is commendable to say the least. Well, thank you. And I want nothing to do with it. How dare you? Well, you're literally doing this next week. I mean, yeah. And it's awful. With intent to crank it way down after the fight. Yeah, but you were like,

like, did you train this morning? Or when do you? Oh wait, yeah. Yeah. You made me wake up early today. Yeah. You have been training for the fight. Yeah. I was gonna say, I don't know why I said that like a gotcha I I'm sparring tonight um

but uh but no I I get the vibe that you are like having to juggle a lot of things at once a lot yeah I mean I think I think we all are and, I mean, I feel like I have a fortunate advantage in the sense that like, I've been an athlete and my channel is about me balancing running a channel and also doing this. Right. So adaptability is like, yeah. Yeah. So like some of the things that I think a lot of people probably went through when they agreed to do creator clash, like how do I, you know, wake up early and then go to work after this who's going to be doing my tasks for me when i'm really freaking tired i already have systems for that put in place which is a huge privilege yeah i think that that is something i can relate to as well because if i had done something like creator clash a couple of years

ago it would have destroyed my life and i wouldn't have gotten anything done in the meantime. But I think Jordan and I were just talking like the fact that I'm able to still like, you know, train for this. And there's a bunch of like personal stuff that's been going on. I'm like fostering a dog. We've got the podcast, you know,

still putting out things on my second channel. I've taken a break from my main channel. Gonna bring that back after Creator Clash. But overall that is only possible because of building out those systems and yeah infrastructure is like there's a reason companies have employees right true granted sometimes that too many or too little or like it's hard to optimize for but i think when something is as essential as consistency and something you care about. And then there's another thing you have to care about and prioritize.

I assume it's maybe not to this extreme. It's probably a little bit like having a kid. No, where all the things you were doing before have to stay, but now there's this new huge obligation. Yeah. They say being a parent is the hardest job, but I'd actually say it's being an influencer.

Yeah. I think it goes oil drilling in the sea yeah being an influencer and punching and then like way down oh mother mother whatever dude whatever shut up did it i stubbed my toe so but you were working on a boxing video. I heard you mention it in the call-in and some of your- Yeah, so basically what happened is, ironically by coincidence, last year I was like, everybody's doing boxing. Right.

Maybe I'll do a boxing challenge accepted. Yeah. It can't be that hard to get into an event, right? Like everybody's doing these events. Right. So- I can deliberately injure identity. You're like, I can fight KSI.

What's the big deal? I did it. I could fight KSI. I mean, like I really, I really underestimated the difficulty of finding like the right matchup. Right. Matchup is everything. Right. Cause you have to find someone same height, same weight,

same like ability level. And then in our case, they have to have a certain following. Like we're really trying to hit this really freaking narrow bullseye. And I was like, you know what? I'm just, and I didn't realize that at the time. So I started training with Tony Jeffries, who's an Olympic bronze medalist. He's amazing. And we did like a fight camp of sorts, but then I didn't get a fight. And basically after like 10 to 12 weeks of that, you know, you get to a certain point and in fight camp, you can only do so much if you don't have an opponent.

Like hard sparring, for example, literally is not, does not make sense to do unless you're actually going to do a fight because it's so dangerous. I was going to say, yeah, because it's dangerous. Yeah. that like yeah hard sparring is tough because like the opponents of your size it's hard to probably find somebody at the right ability level too because there are pros at the gym that i work at of course who were you know they can't really hard spar with any of the creator clash fighters but it's more like oh you're enough size so this person can work with you and you can like learn from that and that's a valuable experience but actually like going all out is really tough. If you're trying to lose like eight pounds by the summer,

you don't need to get punched in the head at full power. Exactly. Yeah. So like we're doing this thing, this fight camp, you know, whatever you want to call it. And I mean, it's hard, hard work last spring. He totally kicked my ass. But then, you know, at the same time, like I'm saying,

you can only go so far. And then when I eventually didn't get a fight um creator clash one came and went i was like well this is really expensive and really time consuming yeah and i was just like you know what i think i need a break from all of this and then at that point because the reason i wanted to try and find a fight in the spring ideally of last year was because i was getting married in october and i was like you know right if i you know something happens and i need surgery oh my goodness i don't really want to impact that yeah so you know by the time the end of spring came around i was like this is not a good idea right now given the other commitments so then i went on and did other projects i ran a

marathon did a bunch of other things just casual stuff useless for boxing what now i have incredible cardio what's the fucking point well we're not gonna be running a marathon no one's punching you in the head when you're running a marathon yeah well maybe for you i flew to the moon yeah and then i mean like plan planning a wedding is its own beast in and of itself so i was pretty much just swamped somewhere like right under and being an influencer right yeah yeah right above labor and delivery for birth right right right it's just the wedding way harder than that yeah getting a it's like oh you're booked out for how many years yeah and I mean throughout this year I mean even though I'm not like training consistently obviously I'm doing other things and i was still like hey like you know i talked to ian and isa about creator clash 2 and there were a couple people's names were floated

in and out and then they came and went for various reasons or injuries or personal reasons yeah there's so many things like that so many things like people do not realize that it's not just like like like it is so hard to find the right opponent yeah and anything can go wrong anything yeah as evidenced by what happened right right and just like countless like i injured my back a couple months ago where i was like is this gonna become more of a thing i like started going to physical therapy and like working through that and making sure that i could continue more time and effort yeah yeah yeah and i'm like oh can i even it's not a matter of like affecting my normal life yeah but in terms of training intensely and like putting my body through a

lot of physical strain i don't want to also have an injury that i'm putting myself at potential long-term risk yeah right yeah absolutely yeah so there's a lot of challenges that even when people make it to the fight, they've probably gone through the rigor. Is it catch weight? Like how much leniency is there? There's 10 pounds. 10 pounds for this fight, yeah.

Which is pretty big. Like this would never happen. 10 pounds is the difference. 10 pounds is the difference. And I'm probably going to- That's like a pug. You know what I mean? The other person would have to bring a Datsun into the difference. 10 pounds is the difference. And I'm probably- That's like a pug. You know what I mean? The only person would have to bring a Dachshund into the car.

Yeah, if you are underweight, you can bring a Border Collie to kind of offset. And you can teach him to attack. Yeah. Well, I'm not scheduled yet. Ian has not replied to the DM, but I'm fighting four toddlers. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're all stuck. In a trench coat. In a trench coat. Well, oh, my God. That's why they're so tall. I was wondering how they made it to 6'3". Yeah. Fighting a Chinese dragon. Performance.

Yeah. Yeah, but then, like, basically, so the wedding in October, and then anyone, I did not realize the amount of fatigue that whole thing brings by the way it's crazy training or the wedding wedding I mean it is a lot of like emotional efforts yeah

and the planning and like just the whole thing is fucking crazy but you know obviously a very special life event it was the best day of my life I'm not gonna lie and we had that to congratulate you. Oh, thank you. So don't want to let that pass. Yeah. But I mean, throughout this entire year, because it was so, so much up and down and so much like, okay, I'm going to try and then I'm not like, what am I investing in here? I kind of like gave up on the idea and literally I'm not kidding we were about to release the video

of me just doing this like 10 week thing with Tony in December the full thing was edited we watched it and I was like now I have to I have to fight somebody yeah this is not it doesn't pay off it doesn't pay off. The challenge is fighting. Right. There was this whole storyline. I'm like, oh, fighting a fight is really hard. I'm like, no one's going to get it. Nobody's going to get this. And it was right around the time that the chess boxing event happened.

And I was so blown away by the reception of that whole thing. Yeah, it was cool. And I mean, Andrea and Dina, fight of the night period i tweeted this i was like this was incredible and it was the most viewed part of the entire life it was it was incredible for so many reasons because because the pre uh i i don't know how this presented on the stream but like being there it was just like they played these pre-fight videos and Dina wildest trash talk. Like, and then like,

and then it was tweeting like, um, I hope you have a podcast. Cause that's the only thing you're going to be able to do after I fuck up your face. And I was like, Oh my God. Wow.

Um, and then I was a little bit, she was like sugar Sean. She was so cheeky. I was a little bit rooting against Dina because I was like, this, this trash talk feels mean, but they're friends,

they're friends and everything's fine. But like, but it's the game. And, but in the moment of like being like sort of on the floor, like watching the fight, I was like, Oh,

I want Andrea to come out and just like, and I, and she's also the person I knew. Cause I've known, I like met her, you know, last year sometime. And, oh, I want Andrea to come out and just like, and she's also the person I knew because I've known, I like met her, you know, last year sometime. And so when she came out, it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there was the whole arc of like the fight not going her way. And everybody was like, what? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And then they retracted it after. And then they reversed it. Yeah. And that was the whole thing because we were all in like the backstage area. I talked to her after the fight and she obviously was like a super good sport about it. But everybody, and her sister on the other hand,

was like, this is bullshit. And I was like, this is bullshit. Because her sister was right next to me and we were like high-fiving. That's amazing. She was the surrogate right person. Yeah. i'm not saying anything out loud like nice yeah yeah so anyway they're great um alexandra and uh andrea

andrea botez on andrea sorry there's so many different ways to pronounce that name are you two in contact right now at all or it's like separation of church and state you don't want to chat well you know what's interesting about our situation is that we created this situation unlike you know i think a lot of fighters come or are approached maybe by an ian and nisa or come to them they're like hey i want to do this and then they find the match up yeah and in our situation it was a hey do you think we could like see if we could like get in this thing you You know what I mean? With her like coming fresh out of her fight camp and,

you know, tweeting at creator clash, like I want to do this. I was like, well, maybe I, I mean like there are very few people who would do this on this short of notice,

I think. And the stars really sound like they're aligning because you weren't coming from complete zero. You had done some training. Yeah, absolutely. Which, like, if you were learning to throw a punch in December, that's tough. Different story. You know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, like, I think there, what's really hard to explain is the insane difference, miles of difference between hitting the mitts and applying that when you're getting punched in the face. Oh my, there's a million things are happening at once. It's like, those are two completely different things. It's like playing Starcraft.

So many people, so many things happening and you can't possibly like, this is my dry clean. Thank you. Oh my God, it's Aaron. The first few times I sparred, I was like, I know what I'm supposed to do, but I can't think fast enough. And then I just close up into a little ball.

It's extremely emotional. It's scary. You get hit hard and your equilibrium's gone and you need to try and recover while also still boxing. And then your coach is like, just do a one to one. And you're like, hi,

what am I doing? Remember your training? And you're like, who are you? Everything is out the window right now. Which one am I? Yeah. Am I Michelle?

Yeah. I mean, this is really interesting situation where like, yes, I had done a, a version of boxing training way earlier in the year. And then she was coming fresh off this. And,

you know, there's this whole thing of like, we even had this conversation where it's like, well, there's, there's still a height and weight difference between us. You know, are you gaining?

I technically am gaining and she's coming down and we're going to land right in that, that 10 pound thing. And then of course I'm, I'm going to pee after and she's going to eat after. So we'll see what happens. But yeah. But, um, I, I think like each of us had to like really sit with, like, it's impossible to have a perfect situation. And that's something i kind of realized throughout the year because i i was really looking for like i need a person who is 115 and 52 and this and that

and whatever and all these other things and i was like you know what i really have to overcome this yeah if if this is the opportunity let's go and i really gotta hand it to andrea because like we you know what's interesting is i feel like most people who are fighting each other it is this like we're you know separation of church and state we're not gonna talk and stuff we literally got on a zoom call and we're like okay what piece of content are we gonna make let's let's get together and shoot a poster because you know yeah we wanted a fucking epic poster it was but it was very clear because I was doing I'm doing creative clash is kind of not content a little bit that's better honestly for me it's it's more like this is a personal challenge that I wanted to do and it just doesn't align with

anything but I just wanted to like shake my life up a little bit. And when I saw the stuff that you guys were doing, I was like, yes, that's good. I like that. I didn't do that. I'm glad someone did. Yeah. I mean like we literally, this is not normal. We met in person to have a discussion about this whole thing. You're like Floyd Mayweather and like Logan Paul, like going to a meeting and being like, all right, how are we going to make millions of dollars? No, it wasn't like, and obviously we're both intelligent people. She's a chess player.

We're like, there are things we're not sharing with each other. We're not telling each other everything. Not perfect information. But you know, I mean, it's like, yeah, we did a full shoot day together to shoot our announcement video. Um, my team shot a lot of her stuff.

Her team edited some of this. Like I, I feel really blessed that it's interesting that I feel like we have been in a way. I'm, I'm, I'm not, there's no way to say that we've been collaborators to a certain extent. We're going to punch each other in the face next week, but like all things considered it's, it's been a

really positive experience for me at least. So, um, yeah, not going to be on April 15th for Andrea, but whatever. I mean, that's, I mean that I've had a similarly positive experience. I think that like I, my coach my coach will probably have him on the show at some point uh maybe after the fight just because like he has an interesting background you know he was like a pro a pro boxer like sort of had some injuries was trying to decide what he wanted to do you know with his career found coaching and he has like a really good network he's like really good he trained michael reeves for creator clash michael reeves oh you got that guy yeah oh i wow that was that was the golden gloves guy yeah yeah they asked me if i wanted to do it and then they were

like here are your trainer options and i was like if i can get michael reeves i can't wait to see you just like swerve your head like a cyclone around everything i know that is the thing i head movement's big and i feel like that's one of the things where it was in the apm of like i need to remember to do this but eventually it becomes second nature you know what i mean but you can tell especially with um chess boxing because people did not have as much time to train there's some stuff that takes time. Defense takes time. That's why you saw a lot of the, the meta for chess boxing was just to bum rush your opponent.

Yeah. Or like brawl. Yeah, exactly. Where, um, and a lot of people were planted. They were just like,

their feet were planted. They weren't moving. They, they, they were kind of a sitting target. It was just like, Oh, I guess I'll just like do this.

Cause that when you're on the mitts, that's what, that's what you do. A lot that when you're on the myths, that's what, that's what you do a lot of times it is. I mean, that's how you start, you know what I mean? You have to layer things in, you know what I mean? It's yeah. I don't have, I don't, I've known combat sports. Cause my, my fist are lethal weapons.

I'm not like, yeah, you would be deported. It's after what I did. Oh yeah. The event, the incident, the incident. Yeah. Uh, it's just to say there's a reason Osama's not around anymore. Okay. Yeah,

that's true. Seal team seven was the real one. Seal team one. It was me. Uh, but there's, there's, it sounds a lot like my,

my, the closest maybe it's like swimming. I was a swimmer in college and there are really, really bad habits that come from default strokes. So if you do front crawl, for example, people often will go like left right left right with their head to breathe on either side and also they won't wear

earplugs which just gives people tinnitus because it's like smacking but the the habit of holding your breath is so common because people are used to just going as far as they can and then maybe this is a marathon thing as well you're optimizing for like how much you've just run it in life like well you know if i've gone swimming casually then i just swim and when i'm tired i take a moment whereas if you're going to do like 20 lengths and there's someone else or you're on a time trial they you need not just cardio, but to manage your breathing in a way that you don't have to in real life. You have to exhale for extra strength on contact. You are kind of hitting the nail on the head because it is very common,

and I'm guilty of this, especially early on, to just hold your breath when you're throwing punches or where you're inside. It's one of those things that you have to think about and then you're like oh suddenly i'm gasping for breath and i i need to uh-oh whoops i made a mistake now i'm lightheaded well if we're like you know if we were uh neanderthals and there was a saber tooth the last thing you want is to have no inhale to for all of your oxygen to be out and then something jumps at you while you have no strength and you have to gasp in also it's like aerobic versus anaerobic exercise right yeah constantly sprinting sprinting is hold on anaerobic is that the one where you don't breathe

sprinting you're like not really you know like you know and then like and then like long long distance running you're like i know i know you breathe during it but do you all know what i'm talking about? I think it's anaerobic, no? Yeah, like the difference between like VO2 max heart rate versus like endurance heart rate breathing. Yeah, because like VO2 max is like your, like the capacity for oxygen stuff.

I don't know enough. I took a health class like 10 years ago. But what was I going to say? It's called Starcraft. Anyway, we were talking about, yeah, it's different actually like sparring versus hitting the mitts. The one thing that I wanted to say about the finding a perfect fight and a perfect matchup is the funniest evidence of what you're describing is there are these older dudes at boxing gyms and they they've been around the block they probably train people they're probably in some sort of fight circuit somewhere the amount of times that i've been looked up and

down and someone goes i gotta fight for you or they're like they'll like be like oh they're like my coach we can get him we We can get him in over here. And I'm like, is he heavyweight? Yeah. Six, six, one. Okay. Yeah, we can get. And then my, my, my coach is like,

you can't get him anywhere. He's got to fight. Leave us alone. It's almost like you're being like sold. Wow. You're being like showered with opportunity. Yeah. Or that's one way to look at it.

Objectified is another way. You know, where they're like, they're like, okay, yeah, I can work with that. And I was like, what do you mean work with that? I don't know you. opportunity yeah or that's one way to look at it uh objectified is another way you know where they're like they're like okay yeah i can work with that i was like what do you mean i don't know you leave me alone like it's crafts they're touching your teeth yeah i'm like on my like i have to do a lot of um foam roller stuff for my back like as a pre-workout and it's like during that moment like a guy i'll just like look over me and be like, Oh yeah, we can get you in somewhere. I didn't ask. I didn't want that.

Do you have a, is boxing specifically something you would want to keep up afterwards? Cause now it's been like a priority for so long. You know, honestly, I am going to drink a margarita after and then make a decision. Are you allowed to have hobbies given? I feel like you are juggling so many things. Do you make time for yourself? I know

you take off weekends, which I think is a very smart thing to do. Well, with the exception of now I'm boxing, but yeah, that actually, you know, it's weird. It's like, so I, you know, I, I have a big training day typically on Sundays and it feels so nice. Cause I don't have to go to work after like that actually feels really nice yeah you always do mornings um well now we were doing like two days so like morning and evening i guess so no i i shifted a lot of my boxing stuff to evenings because the morning time i need to do like a lot of brain work you know what i mean it's like where i can be like i can feel sharp and be on camera and and stuff like that well there's this false reality like from the Rocky and Creed movies of like get up at

four and do the thing you can still do the same workout at 10 a.m and it works you know what I mean with more sleep and um it's about like fitting everything in yeah but yeah I mean it's it's been a whirlwind because I mean she and i talked on the phone in december and even then it was like you know there wasn't a spot in creator clash 2 and we're just kind of like uh well i guess we'll both like cut like i was like well i i'll start like going back to the boxing gym and right kicking things up maybe a couple times a week and she did too but honestly sort of hearing about creator clash 2 you were like well not hearing about it necessarily but like hey like yeah maybe we could try to do this together for some event whether it's creator clash or another opportunity and so i was like well

i guess we'll kind of start training but you know it wasn't until the new year where it was like okay go time avengers assemble six days a week to two days you know what i mean i remember seeing you so we met at the streamies in person okay i was really flattered when you came up to me oh yeah at the after party i was like oh my god hey can i get a drink um and then the next time I saw you was we were doing like a media day for Creator Clash. And it just so was it just so happened to be at the gym that you train. It does. So the media day that, you know, everyone saw on Twitch occurs at the gym.

I was training. And this was before we knew the fight was confirmed. Right. So I just show up for like normal training. I'm like, oh, my God. So literally I walk in before the fight was before the fight was this was in the limbo time when it was like andrea and i were like we think this this could happen but i don't know so we're like and there was murmurs like sort of on the back end of like this would be the fight to replace this other fight if this

other fight didn't happen you know because it was like oh it was it kind of goes from like oh there's a problem what is our backup plan yeah and then okay this this reality came to pass okay now we need to like confirm that we're like swapping this in but for this media day i remember like like i parked i walked over the first thing i see is mich Michelle on these ropes. And I was like, is that Michelle Curry? What's she doing here? Well, because everyone was in the media room, like everyone for the media day had taken over the main part of the gym. Yeah. So my coach was like, let's just go in this corner and do this thing. So I was like awkwardly doing my own shit. It was so funny because I just kept looking over and she was doing the most intense workout I've ever seen.

And meanwhile, we're just like trying to look pretty for the camera. Hello there, friends. We're having a grand old time over here on Patreon.com slash sad boys. We're doing a little bonus episode. It is happening right after you finish listening to this one. Jordan's here. Hi, I'm on the show too. Go ahead and check it out.

Patreon.com slash sad boys. Now back to the show too go ahead and check it out patreon.com sad boys now back to the show and i'm excited like live huh you reckon you'll survive the fight oh yeah i'm extremely confident oh i like that yeah i like that you're the most um alpha person i know and that's like i say it in a couple a complimentary way. Like I think like a type A personality is like used in a derogatory way, but you seem so on top. Oh, I definitely am. I'm a Leo. You're like very on top of things.

You're very put together. And it's something that I respect about you because it is not how I am. Disagree. You sent me a Google calendar invite for this. That's true. It's a huge step in the right direction. right direction yeah well my thing is all of my systems are to combat the way that I naturally am yeah we are in spite of the way that well so it's like being successful in a professional

context required me to like learn skills and those are things I have to apply you know it's like we sent an email today to like a venue because we want to do a live show and i just i texted yeah that's exciting i texted jordan and i was like uh you know it's like we worked in industry for how many years and all i got was this lousy ability to write a professional email you know what i mean literally it's also so gratifying especially now because i don't get to indulge in it much but for brand deals oh yeah my own little i have like a formula spreadsheet yeah it just automates all my little but for brand deals oh yeah my own little i have like a formula spreadsheet yeah it just automates all my little my little brand deals so we have the same birthday we're both torian i don't know if that correlates to that at all wow so you have like a spreadsheet

that has like the amounts and the splits and the deadline and like when the it's due to you i have an auto indicator if it goes past the date okay we need to share spreadsheets after this because i also have one but it doesn't sound as cool as yours. I do. Mine is pointless. The amount of detail in there was only for my own benefit. You guys are literally like tech people. Yeah, I know a lot about functions. Okay, I'm sorry.

This is a sham. Acting disorganized when you guys have like gone to hell back and like Java and C++ and like sifted through to find the wrong period at the whatever. Yeah, exactly. Well, so it's just like a different vibe. I think that, what was I going to say? I don't know.

I do, I think it's more like nature versus nurture a little bit where I, to be successful, did need to like learn how to walk and talk in a certain way or to be successful in certain spaces, you know. The adaptability of your work is maybe a testament to how natural it is for you maybe like if we did a project that was like let's just engage with this new thing for months yeah i would need a little bit more spin up before i could even generate content around it i would be far more like reticent but what's interesting is that like i feel like what honestly it's like an intimacy with my athletic self which i think is different from your everyday self right and that's something that takes years to develop so

like when i go into a new episode of challenge accepted i know all right day one i'm probably going to feel this way week three i should probably like move things around because I know that's usually when I hit this point right like I have that intimacy with it in the same way you guys can like write a really funny video and sit down and do it like I like that is a skill and even though like the breadth of things that I have done I guess is wide the technique and and the process is one that's been refined in the same way, if that makes sense. I read on your Wikipedia page

that you interned at Google. Yeah. What year? Loser. What a nerd. What year were you there? I guess that was my... It's not a job,

but it was one of my first... Internships. 2013? Hold on. 2013, yeah. internships 2013 hold on 20 2013 i was there summer of 2012 as an intern oh my god just narrowly missed each other yeah that's pretty crazy also and you worked at yelp yeah i did okay i definitely interviewed and totally bombed what did you interview for like fucking sales or some shit never never work yeah because i was just like i need to work in tech because that's like cool and there's money there i had no clue what i was doing in person no i i i did like a couple phone rounds phone screens

and then i remember the guy this sales guy he asked me like why do you want to do this and i was like ah it's like it's so funny because like i think yelp has like is become well known as one of the worst sales orgs ever um like just like the turnover is bad the pay is bad it's like everyone's first stop engineering at Yelp and that org, um, the people involved, I have a lot of respect for, you know, um, and had a lot of mentorship there that was like really meaningful for my career. Uh, but this is like a little bit of tech industry being going to be tech industry. There was this, and I don't't i think maybe i've talked about this on the podcast before but there was almost this two class system yeah where it was like um engineering can eat the pizza yeah and if you're in sales buzz off loser and i was like this feels wrong right when i was interning at google i was technically in the marketing department and

then they i remember like that was a conversation had also of like just the uh i guess like the unspoken hierarchy yeah um doesn't feel good yeah it feels like an adopted behavior from really traditional organizations despite the fact that when you have like a tech product communication between teams is literally the only thing that matters there was this weird delineation when i uh i kind of with because it was very early sales employee a patreon and then we started a partnerships team once we'd hired enough people and i was moving out of managing them and once we started a partnerships team way more appreciation from the org the because you're bringing in the money yeah

the partnerships team you know it's hey they're shooting for the big fish and the right it was a partnership you're gonna yeah you're talking to these big creators versus sales is like you're you're a line employee making calls emails phone calls that's just like a film set you know like actors are even if you're an actor on a tv show and you have one line you're given a trailer yeah you're given a full day rate like a car potentially might pick you up from your place in la to bring you to set meanwhile a pa who's working you know probably a 20 hour day running around getting coffee getting paid 200 it's crazy it It's wild, and it does not need to be this way. It really doesn't.

It's like, but I mean, yeah, and I think it's important to talk about that stuff. Oh, not to mention on set, in media production, there's literally a term above the line and below the line. Oh, that's insane. And below the line is basically all the crew. And then above the line are the ones that get to go to the premiere.

Yeah. That's crazy. That's ridiculous. Wow. That's fucking crazy. And it's a literal line, like on a call sheet, if I'm thinking correctly. But like it's a separation. When you submit budgets like that, it's standard. You have to do it.

It has to be standardized. They had a default template that they already used for budgeting, and they sent it through. And it's just a, just a CSV that you upload straight to their internal process. And this project had kind of no below the line people basically. It was just not the kind of, it was, you know, it was a crew of like five people. Right. And yet you still had to have like premier gold tab as opposed to like the gray tab of below the line and i just don't it doesn't reference skill at all yeah you can have never directed something or performed in

something and get treated like a god and potentially be good at it whereas i don't know like being a dp you're bad until you learn how there is no being a dp intuitively yeah right wow well we're influencers and we're special. Yeah. Now we're special. And we get to make up all the rules. I'm sponsored. We wanted to show you some goofy things that we found. Hit me.

Specifically because you were married recently and are now our wedding expert. Oh God. Jordan and I are filthy singles in your area. You know, by choice. By choice. I'm like, I'm busy. Single Pringle. Getting kissed.

Yeah. I was doing, oh, I remember I was gonna go on a date, but I was busy doing pushups. People liking it. This is titled, It Has Taken Me 11 Years to Realize My Wedding Should Be Shamed. Oh my God. So this is someone who's like bringing themselves forward. They're like turning themselves in or whatever.

Yeah, like they're at the police station. Hi officer. The bodies were underneath my floorboards. I worked for months on end to plan our wedding to the very last detail. Sort of. It was a medieval themed affair. Oh God.

That's all I needed to hear. that's all i needed to hear that's all i needed to hear in an outside wedding in the middle of august in the southern states that's a funny way of putting it well that's that's that's awful because it's really hot yeah and if they're wearing like chain mail and stuff i mean what are we talking about imagine the chain mail sunburn where you just you just have chains that's's pretty hard, actually. It was probably around the time that the Danes were invading the coast of the south of America when the Tudors and Henry VIII were living there. Right, in the southern states.

In the southern states. We owned 10 acres at the time. Okay. Okay, what happened? Yeah, I guess they're going to explain. We cleared a small area of trees, building a standalone deck and pergola. Pergola. It's so fun to say.

Go ahead. Wait, Michelle, you try. Pergola. Wow. That's a perfume title. That sounded like you could be one of those how to pronounce channel narrators. Pergola. Yeah, there you go.

Pergola. Pergola. Pergola. Pergola. Yeah, there you go. Pergola. Pergola. Pergola. The pergola served as the point for the ceremony and the deck was for the reception. It was great. Because of the theme, some guests came in their Ren Faire garb, of course,

others in dresses, others in jeans slash shorts. So weird. Some freaks were, who wears jeans slash shorts to any wedding? Oh, for a second, I thought you meant jean shorts. Medieval je slash shorts. Some freaks. Who wears jeans slash shorts to any wedding? Oh, for a second, I thought you meant jean shorts. Medieval jean shorts. Yeah, medieval shorts. This is crazy.

Okay. None of this was the problem. I loved it. We served smoked turkey legs, brisket, breads, cheeses, and fruits, along with wine, mead, water, soda, and juice. Why is this much detail relevant? Cool. All right.

We're just reading the receipt from the catering. Yeah, truly. Okay. Oh, my God. Yeah, I did not. I will eat my words if it comes relevant that there was brisket and cheeses. The problems began arising when

guests needed to use the restroom. As I said, I planned everything down to the smallest detail. Dot, dot, dot. Almost. Aren't they on like a 10 acre lot? Like it feels like maybe that's not the biggest problem

that could happen, but what is about to occur? This is not where I thought this was going. No, me either. Is this the biggest medieval feature of all? Is it's a hole? Yeah. It's like France and the like. It's a bucket that your wife has to throw at you.

What is, because it's like in Roller Coaster Tycoon where you forget to put restrooms. Yeah, that's so fast. I forgot to make sure our guests had a way to relieve themselves that wasn't ducking behind a tree. What? The ceremony slash reception went well into the night. The decking was lit along with lights strung around the trail we'd created.

Uh-oh, I see where this is going. But the house was about an acre's length away. That's so far. Yeah. How did they get to the, did they like have carts or whatever? Because an acre is what, like 50,000 feet or something like that?

Wait, no, hold on. Am I an idiot? How big is an acre? I'd mean chunky. 43,000 feet. Okay, cool. They must have been to the plot of land during the planning phase, right?

And nobody at any point at that at the best at any moment they were all holding it people constructing they went behind a tree once out of the wooded area our guests didn't really have a way to see without using a flashlight on their phones i became one of those brides who didn't think about people needed to use the restroom or people wanted to see in the dead of night on the way back to their vehicles. That didn't have this catastrophic ending. I thought it was going to be like a joust broke out and everyone died. I thought it was going to be like everyone was stumbling around in the dark pooping all over the floor because we didn't give them anywhere to go to the bathroom.

That's like maybe what happened, but you didn't write about it. I think maybe I just wouldn't come back. I think I would go to the bathroom that's like maybe what happened but she didn't write about it maybe i just wouldn't come back i think i would go to the house piss and then go home yeah imagine you finally get to the house and you have to remove your chain mail oh i hope you've got like a uh like something you can just easily release a flap there we go a medieval style yeah what did someone in the comments is gonna be like, actually there were medieval relieving mechanisms built into all chain mail. And I'm like, oh, okay.

A special cord you pull and it all comes off. Yeah, it's like when you pull a thread and then like the whole thing unravels. All the chains like fall to the ground. Like a snake shedding its skin. Is that a, I i mean you recently got married were you one of quote one of those brides that forgot to give people no our bathrooms were like 10 feet away very accessible it's like the third thing i think of yeah partner rings toilet oh yeah

it's like do people okay people have food and then they okay so food goes to going to the bathroom is their bathroom no all right let's do it anyway was that was that any moment of drama oh yeah was there any people are turning up my wedding actually there was so we we got married in la in malibu and at a fully outdoor venue. Sounds familiar. It was not an acre away from a bathroom. Hold on, hold on. This one was cypher. What was on the menu? The menu was actually excellent. Brisket, bread, cheese.

Steak, sea bass, Thai chicken. It was, it was, we, you know what the thing is, is I think that we as like video people have an edge when it comes to wedding planning. Because for most people, I think you're doing wedding planning like after nine to five on the weekends. And it's like, oh, my God, I have to pick flowers and all this other shit. Whereas like we have the privilege of like create like producing things constantly. Like we know what it's like to bring a group of people together and have a schedule and a crew and everything whether small or big so those things like restrooms and what are

the phases of the party and right will there be water here and that like that I felt like came really naturally to me and Garrett but here's a question because you made content out of your wedding um did that make it because you were just talking about doing it after your nine to five and I'm like, well, you know, your nine to five could have been wedding planning in a form because it was, but it was also content producing. So I don't want it to just be like, Oh, I just made my job wedding planning because you're also probably thinking through the content element of things. I think a lot of people have done like wedding vlogs, stuff like that. And I was like, well, everybody's done that. i don't i don't know

if i'm interesting enough to make a wedding vlog so we actually thought of what are ways we could make the wedding planning easier by creating good videos so one of them was like one of the videos was trying to plan the whole wedding in a week because we were like that would be fucking awesome to plan this whole thing in one week and then we just get to like be romantic and enjoy the rest of the engagement and not worry about invitations or anything like that. And yeah, we cleared a whole week out of the schedule. We got a camera crew and lined up every single meeting and bam, bam, bam. And it was honestly, I recommend it.

Oh. For anyone planning a wedding, clear your schedule, take a week off work and just do it in a week with a coordinator or a planner because all of the decisions were like fresh. So you come right from the florals to pick the centerpieces. Okay. Well we were just there and we picked that color. So let's do this rather than like every other weekend spreading it out for a year. And then maybe you get like a toilet or some shit. Yeah. Just think about where the toilet is. Maybe you can get trees that look like,

sorry, not trees that look like toilets, but the other way around, toilets that look like trees. That would be very cute. Like you're an old pixie. Yeah, and you're like, oh, you know, hey. That's you, you're squatting behind that. But it's not a real tree. Yeah.

Everybody gets a horse so you can get back to the house as quickly as possible. But the one piece of drama for our wedding was it fully rained on the day. It was extremely stressful because, you know, this sounds so obvious, right? Like when you book an outdoor venue. Right. But it's L.A. Yeah.

You know, before the Noah's Ark storm of whatever. No, no, no, no, no. This is a thing. It thing like three days a year yeah we're playing our penance to god yeah it was a thing of hollywood we're like just la didn't see rain and then all of a sudden this whole spring it's all just been raining all the time which i've enjoyed but um yeah so it fully rained and it was one of those like we're on the phone at five in the morning on the day of the wedding deciding are we going to put like tent the entire venue which kills a lot of it right and so we took a huge risk and we're like okay we're gonna tent like the this the dining area and the dance floor but we're gonna leave the ceremony area open and so i'm

going through the whole day thinking our guests are going to come and it's going to fully pour on them at this wedding. Thankfully, it all stopped. It was perfect. And with all the clouds, it created this really nice diffused lighting for all the pictures. I feel extremely blessed. Good production work there. Great production by the clouds. We got a magic hour. Yeah. It was like perfectly like all day i did go to a wedding

recently where it also rained and we all like um we all got into i believe it's called a pergola and with mead and there was a there was a saxophonist like playing like sultry tunes and then it started raining on him and then he's just like then he went inside of the gazebo

or whatever that we were all in and we're all like super packed in this place and there's just a guy playing saxophone and it was like really fun and it was a beautiful wedding

and it I love that. The rain did stop pretty shortly thereafter so we weren't like packed too tightly for for long i'm just making i'm making myself laugh at the idea of a saxophonist having to play a saxophone full of water did you see that video of the um the woman in the elevator playing the acoustic guitar. Oh. What? Oh, pull it up.

Yeah, let's see if we can find it. And the train, then she picked the exact same song on the train. Wait, can we just talk about something real quick? That this person who posted this claims they only realized that they should be shamed 11 years later. This would have been like a night of situation, I think. Did no one bring it up?

Yeah. 11 years later, you wake up in bed and you're like, I didn have a restroom in my cold sweat stuck on an elevator luckily i had my guitar and decided to start a sing-along one more time one more time do you think that was staged it had to be is he saying pardon me pardon? Could you shut the fuck up? Pardon me, madam. If you... What? I believe the actual law in the UK is if you do this on public transport, you get put in a guillotine and beheaded. Yeah.

And it's been a law for, I don't know, since the 1400s. It's been a while. We lose thousands of people every year. Wow. That is like... Sorry, I just thought of our equivalent of doing a podcast in an elevator that's stuck. Wow. I mean, she's confident.

I wouldn't be confident enough to do that. Yeah. It's not a blessing or a curse, right? Yeah. Because granted, one in every few performances is the most embarrassing and worst thing in the world, but she's not bothered by it. And it is giving her a 10,000 hours of live performance

and some notoriety, I guess, a step in the right direction. I think this is her beat now because she's got it on a plane. She's on a bus. She's on a bus. She's on a plane. Oh, I saw the plane one.

Dude, she knows what she's doing. She knows what she's doing. But that feels rude to me. I'll be honest. That's a point. I'll say it. Yeah, because guess what? These people who are on the plane don't want to do.

It's have a concert right now. If I was in the emergency seat, I would pull the. Yeah, I would throw myself off the plane. Willfully fly into the engine. Challenge accepted. I'm learning to operate a parachute in the sky. Take me home home mountain mama yeah just jump out definitely this is she knows that she's ridiculous yeah the saxophonist was

very good though and we all enjoyed it even though we were very tightly packed and apparently how they found the saxophonist was on the street like they were a street performer and it was like do you do book like you're so good do you do bookings and he was like yeah and then they just found him from that i was like it was very sweet it was cool oh my god yeah it was my childhood friends uh one of my childhood friends weddings uh market street on uh on market right by westfield in san francisco market on market yeah market on market there are so many sick performers that are playing seemingly 24-7 with like that like blue man group improvised drums and there's i wish i had a reason to do something with them you know like i would see them perform and i'd be like do you want to just play in my

my loft apartment with no square footage do you want to just live in there and wake me up every single morning with a rendition of the songs from whiplash um i do have to point out that jerry springer responded to this and said illegal which is very funny well he's a judge now he knows yeah he's a judge now um yeah judge jerry it's a whole thing um so i want to take a, a hard turn here and I'm going to ask you, Michelle, Kari, what scares you? Cause you seem fearless, right? Yeah. I've been training, but lethal weapons.

But are you, but are you prepared for the ninjas to attack people like flip into the windows? Oh my God. Yeah. Is there anything really getting in the sad boys? Yeah. This is where we, we'd like to take a really anything really getting the sad boys yeah this is where we we'd like to take a really hard turn into the sad sad topics yeah it gets darker oh my gosh

wow hmm uh i don't like heights oh this is a very like normal like that's a normal answer it's normal but it like life philosophy answer i feel like i've gone through different phases of fears that have been like you know i'm scared i'm not gonna get a meaningful job or i'm scared you know i'm quitting my job my channel's gonna fail that kind of stuff yes but i think at this point i think i'm like the thing that is always my my biggest concern is like joy and happiness and losing that honestly. Yeah. And I think that's why at this point I'm so brutal about what episodes I decide to do for the channel at least because in the pandemic I really struggled because I saw so many people like hard pivot into streaming or like, Oh,

my videos have always been just me talking to camera and like you're able to create even more content and really grow. And obviously that's a very niche group of people who thrived in that horrible situation. But for me, like all of my videos rely on community, meeting other people. And when I lost that, it was incredibly tough. Yeah. And so I think that gave me a lot of perspective on my priorities. And so, I mean, for me, that like mental health component and losing that is a huge fear of mine. Do you feel like you've got a good like support system now?

Oh, absolutely. And I was fortunate to have that even in that pandemic. Did getting married feel like uh did it provide a little bit of stability even like subconsciously like here is this static thing that if i fall there's a safety net in a way that they might oh my god i mean without question garrett my amazing husband and partner is like everything i mean he is he is so calm and like logical and supportive and kind i mean i literally cannot do any any of this i could not do this fight next week without yeah yeah him at my side the marriage component it's it's interesting you asked that like

when we got engaged it wasn't like a oh now this is checked off it was like a yay yay we get to do more of the same in forever now bonus treat extra yeah yeah so i i feel really fortunate that like i i i felt i already really felt that support from him already but part of it is like losing losing happiness or that mental health component of things right and then also just like doing something and then feeling like i didn't give it 104 like being like god damn it i could have done more interesting in the case of your content or everything everything everything like you know i could have in in the event of achieving like happiness and the best outcome not like money or anything like that but like

um just feeling like i think it's the fear of feeling like i gave up on myself too early in any situation that's really it okay not like i should try harder but like right right because i gave up on myself before other people gave up on me okay Okay. Yeah. That's, that's really interesting because I think initially I was going to say, well, you can, you know, not to, uh, give you a hard time, but I'm like, you could afford to be kinder to yourself because even doing 96%, 80%, 50% is more than zero. You know what I mean? So the attempt I think is something that it takes energy to get to that point. And like, obviously, you want to give yourself credit for that. But I totally hear you in that, like, especially when you have people in your corner. Literally. Next week. Um, so especially when you have people in your corner who are, are supporting you and

really like have a lot of faith in you, obviously you don't want to let them down. But then you of course know that those people want, you can never possibly let them down because the people who have really decided to, unless you, uh, are like, you know, breaking into my house and like eating the pizza out of my fridge, you're never going to like, let me down. You know what I mean? Because the people around you, they, it's deeper than that, obviously. But it's one of those things where like, you know it logically, but then the actual feeling is different because I don't want to let my coach down. You know, I don't want to let, you know, I, I've felt like, oh, please don't want to let you know i i've felt like oh please don't come to the fight because

what if i let you down you know what i mean um like because people are like i'm gonna move mountains to make sure i can be there and i was like don't oh god it's like i don't want the additional pressure of that despite the fact that i mean anyone especially the people that you're close to in your life have way lower expectations of what being let down what do you like hey it's okay you can anything can happen i'm not i'm not going there based on any of the expectations you have for yourself just there to witness and be involved it's all good i have a lot of money riding on the fight but that's you yeah you did say you yeah you bet that the house and the car that's at the bottom of the grand canyon i have to get them first.

Oh yeah. I've bet them kind of rough. I bet your house. Oh shit. And Jacob's car. Oh man. Um, I did that thing in like a poker and movies where I put the keys down when I

run out of chips. Yeah. And it was Jacob's keys. Jacob was there. Bad news, Jacob. I bet your keys on this poker hand. And I don't know how to play poker.

I don't even know if I won or what. I was like, can you drive me home? It's gone. Can we hotwire your car? I think that's probably a very common genre of fear, right? I mean, there can be different contributors, I'm sure. And in the case of content, that presents a lot of very unique, specific things.

But it's almost like the foundational fear. It's, it's the things I have. It's a fear of regret in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, do I, I've talked about my fears before fear of loss. That's me losing, losing things. Cause I I've experienced like a lot of loss in my life. And so I'm like, Oh oh anything can go at any moment rut row um jordan how about you oh yeah i know i've made my last couple years yeah all of my greatest fears happened in the span of like three years yeah and so on one side it's the fear that it'll happen again but i also have a lot less to lose now in the least morbid way possible yeah so uh yeah i you know and it really isn't like i'm fearless i'm whatever but there is a yeah

proportionally i have so much to appreciate now that i didn't in the really low point that it's easy to distract myself right but i'm i am noticing that start to decrease like now that work and and uh career and social confidence of all back and you know do you feel stronger having gone through those things yeah though sometimes just number which is not the best thing um i occasionally get a little concerned about i went through a breakup a few months ago and people kept asking me like, are you okay? I'm like, oh my God, yeah. Sorry, it's like nothing. It's like getting a parking ticket.

There's just like a- Wow. I struggled to, and I used to be a very emotional person with any kind of like interaction, but short of the other person being like distressed or upset, I don't know. I get very distracted by the little things i'm enjoying right now number one fear is losing my visa again i mean yeah

the second worst thing ever yeah so i just don't have any uh you know anytime something's going smooth anytime i think about doing my taxes i go what if i fuck them out and i get deported yeah or like anytime i'm like hey well i'm back at the gym or i'm having a good time or the podcast going great like yeah but what if i get deported yeah it's scary but well, I'm back at the gym or I'm having a good time or the podcast going great. I'm like, yep, what if I get deported? It's always the same thing. Yeah, it's scary. But I will say, went back to the UK last week. All the fears came back. It was really weird.

Yeah. It was like being, I was like, oh, I just left all these. I didn't pack these. I left them in my old apartment. Right. Well, that's, I mean, it's like smelling a familiar smell or hearing a familiar song or something where you like can place yourself back this is like most intense version of that where it's like if i put a vr headset on you and created a 3d model of your like you know immigration yeah yeah then it would like probably

trigger those same like feelings because of the like um what is it It's a type of memory. Oh, it's like sense memory. Episodic? Episodic memory? I don't know. Ooh. That sounds fancy. Vibes? Gosh, I just, I never know the name of things. Episodic memory sounds like a name of a band. Yeah.

Oh, it does. Episodic recall. We play covers of American football songs. Midwest emo. Oh, yeah. A type of long-term memory that involves conscious recollection of previous experiences together with their context in terms of a time, place, associated emotions, et cetera.

Oh. That's a five on AP psychology. Let's freaking go. That's really deep. I mean, it kind of sounds like all of the fears are like the same genre right I think some people have they wouldn't even know how to describe them but more tangible fears

I guess less a fear of a sensation like snakes I wish my fear was snakes man that would be so simple now there's going to be somebody who's like well I have a debilitating fear of snakes and I'm like okay not what I mean grass is always fear of snakes. And I'm like, okay, now what I mean. Grass is always greener.

That's all I'm saying. Oh, direct, sorry, direct kudos and thumbs up to the person that commented recently when I was wearing a t-shirt and my spider tattoo was visible. They said, just want to say, it was the top voted comment on an episode. I just want to say say pretty proud of myself.

I am no longer scared of the tattoo. Oh, wow. That's so sweet. That's actually very, that's very awesome. I don't know if it was like an exposure thing. I don't know like how that happened. I didn't provide any help. You've been slowly providing exposure therapy through wearing more and more revealing clothing.

I just want to say to those people that there's one behind you right now. Okay, hold on. Have you seen, so we were talking before the show about fucked up reality television. And in one of the things, one of the genres, so some of these genres of fucked up reality television are like pranking people, essentially. Like creating a form of psychological torture where they think their reality is one thing and then it's not. Like I Want to Marry Harry,

the show where they just found a red-haired British guy and told a bunch of women in a house that he was Harry Prince of Wales and then they hired an on-site psychologist to tell them because they didn't believe it they were like no you should respect him he's prince harry come on what are you talking about so like that was a thing on tv but i want to talk about freaking jerry springer and that type of show like dr phil i don't know who did this specifically but there's an episode or multiple

where it'd be like i have a horrifying fear of spiders and then they'd be like interviewing them oh wait you know spiders okay interesting interesting well bring out the spiders and then they just bring out a bunch of fucking tarantulas and then the person freaks out and then everyone goes ha ha ha ha ha ha it's not ha ha that's dr feldscher because he's not ha ha ha. That's Dr. Phil's shit because he's not a doctor. Yeah. So he just goes like, I cannot believe he has gotten away. It's crazy. I love it.

Oh my God. The fact that, if you like, if instead of becoming a judge for Jerry Springer's follow-up show because he was a lawyer prior so there's some,

and a mayor, there's like some past that. Instead he became a surgeon. Yeah. It's just like, so you're not. Is Judge Judy really a judge? I don't think she is.

No, she's not really a judge. Just Judge Michael. Dr. Phil has a PhD in psychology. But isn't it like an online course? No, no, no, no. He's got a PhD, but the thing is he hasn't been accredited or practicing for a really long time. This is a bad bloke.

I don't think you need to just be a tv doctor you can kind of just be like hey welcome back to dr jarvis today um let's talk about the spiders that live in our juice and it's like it's like wait why how did now i'm afraid now i've created a new fear unlocked or whatever let's talk about the snake that's going to get you tomorrow so i tweeted about this when steve harvey first uh got his judge show. Is it Judge Steve? It's called Judge Steve Harvey. Oh, I will. And I have, I tweeted

the intro sequence of it, so I think I can find it. I think I said Steve Harvey is a Judge Now Jarvis Twitter. He is now Jarvis Twitter. Steve Harvey is a Judge Now Jarvis. This is amazing. So this is Jarvis Twitter. Steve Jarvis is a judge now. I hate this. This is amazing.

Oh, doge. Epic. So this is the intro to Judge Steve Harvey. This is, I just love this so much. There's a big world out there and it's filled with people that just don't see eye to eye. See, that's why I come in. Oh my God, his collar. And I'm way too fly to wear a robe.

But this is where common sense presides. In my house. Court is now in session. He is a full-on Count Dracula. Yeah, dude. That was shot, especially the part where he turns. That was shot like an Amex commercial. Yeah.

My favorite is where he says, Now I ain't got a law degree, and I'm way too fly to wear a robe. So I ain't got a law degree, and I'm way too flat aware road so i ain't got a law degree and i'm way too flat smiling with his luminescent teeth also great they're insane also when i recorded this when i recorded this um i was on zoom with anastasia we were doing a gold video on this show and you can hear anastasia laugh right here so i ain't got a law degree and i i was like i'm not gonna re-record this i'm just gonna post it oh man do you have any trashy tv you've indulged in in the past trashy tv yeah some classic reality television which may be not ethical listen i don't think

this is trashy but i love survivor oh survivor's not trash oh you found the survivors it's not trashy jeff probst is my hosting idol like i i if i could you know career heroes jeff probst is a career careeros yeah um so no jeff probst i was a late comer to survivor and i actually happened to watch the season that john morrison is on was on um for who's in creator clash he was in survivor he was in a survivor season yeah oh my god yeah so i he came to he came to the gym to spar um and i sparred him and i was like, why do you look so familiar? His coach is Jeff Probst. And it's so funny. But the thing I will say about Survivor is, or about Jeff Probst specifically, is I've never seen someone better. Wait, I've seen this season.

Yeah. I did not put this together. Yeah, the David versus Goliath season. Oh my God. Because this is who Harley is fighting. Yes, Harley is. Yes. Harley's fighting it. Sabrina actually.

Yes. I've seen. Oh my God. Yeah. It's wild. I love our man. I hope there's a world where somebody writes a bio about me and it includes a strong and likable player.

Oh no. Oh, there you go. I've seen this whole season. This is crazy. Yeah. This season is on Netflix. Put this together.

Because people look so different on the show than they do in real life yeah because they're starved no one's wearing makeup and right brushing their teeth really miserable version of survivor that i think you know trashy eggs is one way describing it but more just like um more cynical a little less sincere a little less uh it doesn't have the fun reverence that survivor does i i didn't i'm also very very late coming to the show in the three seasons i've watched there's so much excitement about the project and everyone knows it it's not this yeah yeah i'm going in meta yeah it's like oh we're actually gonna when when the when the merge happens we're gonna have to be sure to and

i'm like oh shit okay like it's like you're speaking a different language and they do the david and goliath when they're like oh i'm such a huge fan shit. Okay. It's like you're speaking a different language. And then they do the David and Goliath one. They're like, oh, I'm such a huge fan. I've seen you. There's something nice about that. But Naked and Afraid, what a miserable show that is. Oh, yeah. It's the exact same bullshit, except they also never make shoes for some reason. They craft all kinds of stuff.

And they never, three contestants. We were burning through it because we'd finished Flavor of Love and our hearts were empty. With Tila Tequila? Yeah. No, no. You're thinking of the shot at love. Oh, shot at love. With Tila Tequila.

Sorry, different trash reality television. We were watching that and we felt sad because we'd finished it. And then three separate contestants go off the show because they get bitten by a giant creature on the foot. They step on a bush and like sever a toe and it's just like okay before we even get food i don't know let's wrap a leaf on it yeah i'm not a survivalist but let's just put a leaf on it i can't believe people elect to do that show yeah well i mean it's funny that you're saying that right like your whole channel is i can't believe people elect to do whatever the hell this is. As opposed to the TV show that has thousands of seasons and loads of people have done it.

Oh, but I don't know if I had an incomplete thought, but Jeff, oh yeah, Jeff Probst seems like he enjoys his job so much. And I feel like he's reached like a perfect balance between like what one can want in life and then like what what like whenever he's like on the island like on a boat you see him like on a boat arriving at the island i was like this man is living his own dream and he's on season 45 yeah it's amazing it's cool where would you put uh the laches in your ranking lache oh yeah like nick and vanessa oh oh Oh like the love is blind Love is blind Okay here's my thing with love is blind I watched season one and I enjoyed it Right

And then they kept going The union stuff was a little gratuitous in my opinion True true And a little like we're just trying to Netflix was trying to get more content and money And the contestants were like I'm trying to hard launch My influencer career So it felt like they were What i think was interesting about the first season

was that they were real people and then when they did the reunion they were like i'm pr trained reality star and i'm every moment i can like i'm wearing my own merch and stuff like that right and i get it i get the game we all do it of course but i I think the charm of the first season was the novelty. And I feel like the one since in the same way Survivor season one, they talk about how the hell do we build a shelter and where do we get food from? There's like a meta now. It's like I read the Wikia. I read the whole I read this. I memorized all the puzzle types. I know some some of the people who have won Survivor and some of them like they coach people

who are applying to be on the show and that's amazing that's cool if I were going on Survivor you bet your ass I would be in a survival month long camp and make content about it I'd bring six pairs of shoes I'd be equipped for every adventure

yeah but some of the charm of first seasons of things is that there is no meta. People are actually trying to figure it out, whereas so much of Survivor now is like, I've seen every season, and I know that if I say this at the right time and do this at the right time.

But again, how do you avoid that? That's part of the strategy. It's a part of it, but I get why the first version of it is more charming or more interesting. It's like the budget in a. It's a part of it, but I get why the first version of it is more charming or more interesting. It's like the budget in a movie franchise going up with each movie and maybe they get a little too long,

a little too elaborate, but hey, the parts you like are still there. You just have to scratch on the surface. Yeah. I did a gold video that is probably coming out this week that I watched season four of Love is Mine episode one

and I just reacted to it, but I tried to predict everything that was going to happen. So I'm curious to see how that like, how that. Leave a comment below if you ate shit. Yeah. If you took a huge L. But I also miss when Nick Lachey introduced himself in the first season, he said,

I'm Nick Lachey, obviously, or something like that because Vanessa introduced herself first, so it made sense. he said i'm i'm nick lachey obviously or something like that because because vanessa introduced introduced herself first so it made sense um but it's just like such a funny thing and he hasn't done it since i wonder if i could find it i think i talked about it in my video but what is so interesting about love is blind is that nick and vanessa lachey i you know they're uh i think it's interesting that they're on there as a couple because they, I don't believe met in a blind date. No,

it's almost like they're like the pinnacle of that, which is great. You know, maybe they have a great relationship, but also like, have you guys noticed that the show doesn't need a host at all? They just show up every now and then. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. So the point you just made is something that i talked about in my video because uh they do kind of make it seem like they're the poster childs for like love being blind and i was like you guys are both we're both a huge like like vanessa was on mtv for like my entire childhood and then nick lachey was ofegrees fame and also like newlyweds with Nick and Jessica. Like he's just been on TV for so long. Also when I typed I'm Nick Lachey, it auto-completed to I'm Nick Lachey obviously.

But this is all just him on the reunion doing it. One thing I admire about both Love is Blind and Married at First Sight to some extent is that these shows are multiple seasons deep and yet for the sake of the narrative, they still have to keep going. I guess we're going to find out if love's blind. Every time.

You're like, bitch, it isn't. Yeah, we know. And we knew before the show. What love is, is exactly what we knew it was, partially physical attractiveness and partially emotional connection. Because what happens is people seemingly fall in love love they come out and they instantly either are or not attracted to each other and the ones that are stated it's the they have this whole like

anti-dating app propaganda at the beginning of every season where they go honestly i'm just tired of swiping on people and judging them for how they look and And so that's why I'm going to... And then cut to the reveal where they're like, oh, whoopsie. Turns out I'm not attracted to this person. Especially married at first sight, they're kind of trad. Like the way they frame stuff is like, yeah, this new world without traditional values

where you fall in love and you follow the way of Jesus Christ, you cannot truly find love. It is like so uh the this is the right way to find right what you've been doing dating around with multiple people that is that is funny to be like well this is my last hope someone on the new season of love is blind was like i've been married twice and i just hope this works out and i'm like dear god if you get married on this show,

my first thought, I don't know how this is going to end. As of recording this, it hasn't ended yet. I'm like, this person seems like they're going to walk away at the altar because they're going to be like, look, I've been through this two times already. And I just can't commit. Like, that's what I'm, that was my prediction in my video. But if they do get married, you're just silly. Like, don't, just date outside of the show. There's not legal binding where they're like, you're not allowed to get married ever unless you do it on the season finale.

It's not 90 Day Fiance. You can stay in the country. You're in, like, Chicago or whatever, Seattle, wherever they film the seasons. It's different places. But, yeah. All right. We should go on it all together yeah yeah you know i've thought a lot about like like i've daydreamed about going on survivor a lot

oh yeah and um in the cards well you know the tough thing about survivor after i've spoken to people who have been on it is like if you get far enough but get voted out, you still have to stay over there on Ponderosa for the whole time. Because you need to be at the end. You need to be voting for the people. Like if you make the merge and stuff like that. Wait, how long is the whole? I can't remember.

The whole experience is a month. Oh, okay. Yeah. Sorry. I think. I was really wrong. Originally, it was 42 days, but then because of the pandemic, they shortened it. And then they kept it okay. Yeah. Sorry. I think. I was really wrong. So long. Originally, it was 42 days, but then because of the pandemic, they shortened it. They did.

They shortened it. And then they kept it short. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Because I guess it's cheaper probably to produce. Yeah. They were like, we can get away with this.

It's kind of like how Gatorade bottles, like they still look the same, but they actually made the concave in the bottom bigger. Less product. Yeah. Or like the air, they put more air in the the chip bags they made the survivor season shorter just the same as a cost-saving measure i think the tough part for me would be um the the the narrative is out of your hands big yeah and that's really hard which you know i i empathize a lot with after having hosted a survivalist show.

And just like- You also know how manipulable post-production is. Of course. You could completely change the narrative of any of your videos. Yeah. And I just, yeah. Having my stuff taken out of context.

Yeah, no, it's wild. Cause someone could be like, Michelle's kind of kooky and annoying. And then they find like a weird clip of you being like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then they're like, they're like, great. Like now we've got. And then and then it just kind of like turns into the cycle where we're like, I guess we're just running with this. Michelle doesn't know what she's doing narrative.

And then she's like, whoopsie. I tripped over something. And it's like classic Michelle. The producer leans in and is like, can you shake your head left and right and go. Yeah. We're going to use that. For $100. Will you say, will you misspell this word or mispronounce this word?

Because I know behind camera all, like, because I've seen the other side. I know all the questions they're asking. They're going to ask you 400 and we'll only use one of them. Right. And I get it. You have to make a story. But there are so many times we hear Survivor winners say like that their winners edit was so different than their actual experience. Yeah. And that kind of – that freaks me out a little bit.

Because they're working backwards. Because they – the thing about Unscripted, and you know this, is that like you – like the audience wants to watch an arc yes you know what i mean so they have to make one so they have to make one whether or not one's there or not you're creating the marvel marble slab and they're going okay here's here's david or whatever and you're like what about all that other stuff and i bet like there are so many times when someone is implementing their strategy really early on, but they exclude it. So then they get to the end. And how many times have we seen someone in Survivor

and like, they didn't do anything, but then turns out all the other contestants were like, they were running the whole thing the whole time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of an Ocean's 11 flashback sequence. Oh, yeah. And then at the end, they're like, well, actually, during this moment, I was doing this.

Since they started doing flashbacks, I feel so bad. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Well, in the interest of time, we should probably close this one out. You know what I realize we don't generally do?

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