Sad Boyz - Has Mr. Beast Peaked?

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

Jarvis and Jordan explore the tragic loss of a children's AI robot companion, and the trajectory of Mr. Beast's content. Sad Boyz Nightz #93 Weekly bonus episodes for only $5/mo at: https://patreon.c...om/sadboyz Join our Discord â–¸ https://discord.gg/Hw82Dhun4m P.O. Box â–¸ 3108 Glendale Blvd Suite 540, Los Angeles CA 90039 Play Sad Boyz BINGO â–¸ https://sadboyzpod.com/bingo Write To Us â–¸ sadboyzpod@gmail.com Use the subject line "Pen Palz" and we could read it on the next episode! Our Links â–¸ https://linktr.ee/sadboyzpod 00:00:00 Welcome To Sad Boyz!! 00:02:00 Mr. Beast, Beast Games 00:17:22 Moxie The Robot Is Dead 00:41:42 Dread 00:53:01 Anxiety & Loops 01:05:21 Sad Boyz Nightz #93 Recorded Dec 18, 2024 Produced and Edited by Jacob Skoda

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Savoy's podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm confused. I'm Jordan. I'm Jarvis. What have you done to my brain? I don't know if people remember what that's from, but it was from a Morgz video from a million thousand years ago. That's what that is?
Starting point is 00:00:18 What have you done to my brain? That had just infested my brain. It was just like kind of floating. Yeah. I mean, yeah yeah it was like uh some sort of prank video where he's pranking his parents and then his dad has like a breakdown over the beans and it's like obviously you know he's playing it up but it's just very funny to hear him say that that's weird sometimes i feel like i have you know um if you like uh meet somebody
Starting point is 00:00:41 with um frederick bine is, their parents are first generation, they're Korean, they moved here and they almost exclusively speak Korean in the household. My friend doesn't really speak Korean anymore, but understands every word. That's how I feel with cultural references
Starting point is 00:00:59 that proceed like 2020. I'm like, oh, the- I can't repeat them, but I kind of get the i get the reference oh my wife born at born at yeah oh yeah boring bolat what was it he was just mean and that was like the thing it really was yeah it's kind of crazy like did you watch borat 2 i think so yeah it's just i don't know maybe it's just like uh the the punch or something like that it's kind of lost its potency with what the world became in between who was the was it
Starting point is 00:01:31 rudy giuliani yeah that had that that was wild uh truth be told he's very clearly just taking his mic pack off yeah but most people don't know that a mic pack feeds through your shirt and your pant you know you gotta get it from off the back who knows it is unprompted like it happens out of nowhere i also but he is a weird creep and i don't care yeah so yeah also like i've never taken a mic pack off from the front but well i'm getting nude at the same time you know what i mean i'm getting a mic pack did i mean clothes so speaking So speaking of Mr. Beast. Speaking of demonic. I think Beast Games is finally coming out. And we heard only bad things about the production of the show.
Starting point is 00:02:16 It's Beast Games Eve when we're recording this. Yeah, it came out yesterday if you're watching this today. I kind of did a little prank on everyone and said it was coming out Wednesday. I got up early. I got ready put my suit on but yeah you know it's like it's like me at my podcast i'm dressed like this me at mr beast games for premiere in a suit yeah of course let's watch the trailer i am standing on five million dollars why is he yelling it's just his whole life the number of times he has had to i'm standing he's like he's doing uh his own exposition his whole life which is like i'm driving my car
Starting point is 00:02:55 to go and get some food i'm coming to the door to pick up wing stop you're delivering it door slam door slam that is a lot of money Yeah do you think any of it's real That looks like lettuce It's so disrespectful that he's just standing on 5 million Yeah why doesn't he respect the dollar Why doesn't he have some respect For our presidents
Starting point is 00:03:18 All of them were good At one point this would be considered treason True That's a good point he looks like he's about to burn it like the joker he's about to slide down like make it disappear like he's like david blaine this is the intro to like a magic stunt yeah i'm david blaine and i'm gonna eat all this money i'm chris ain't i'm doing david blaine as chris angel i'm chris angel mind freak boo i'm about to make $5 billion disappear.
Starting point is 00:03:46 I'm about to freak your mind. Hey, everybody. I'm about to go underwater. All right. I'm going to go swimming. I'm going to go swimming. I'm going to be paddling. I'm having a lovely time with my friends.
Starting point is 00:03:59 All right, let's see. The grand prize of the most insane competition show you've ever seen. Why does the money look so messy? Tidy jimmy that's the worst can i just get a direct deposit yeah i actually don't want this in cash very dangerous the competition is can you carry this cash home i had a dream last night that i robbed a bank and the thing that got in the way is i felt uh socially uncomfortable i don't know what it was supposed to represent but i went in they just had everything unlocked they were doing like that cash exchange thing it had the level of security of a bodega and i walked in and just kind of like
Starting point is 00:04:34 i was opening them and they kept being like bonds and things i couldn't you know use and then i found one with cash in it and it was not enough cash to be worth the god not liking are you sure this wasn't the vault in boulders gate oh that's right yeah i used an arrow of transposition to get up to the vault are you sure you weren't playing legend of zelda yeah wait a minute well i used my boomerang to try and access it which i'd gone in that dungeon that's how you know it's cash my special boots when link opens the chest he gets five million dollars cash. I'm here in Hyrule. I'm riding my horse.
Starting point is 00:05:09 This frame looks like Mr. Beast has been smited by the former president. Finally, God has taken action. James. All right, here we go. Thousand contestants. Are you all ready? Start the timer. This kind of feels like kind of like the end of TV. You know what I it's like this was all the game shows they're just like done it's like all the game shows because it has survivor
Starting point is 00:05:32 whatever you want survivor especially there's like a few of those backgrounds felt like survivor like dirt in their face and like a jungle environment. Wait, Anastasia, when's your birthday? It was last weekend. 11th? No. 14th. 14th. 14th.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Happy belated. Thank you. Were you going to tell me? No, I'm like, there's someone else whose birthday is December 18th. Today? Yeah. And I'm like, who am I forgetting? You're thinking of Jesus, but that's next week.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Yeah. Oh, that's it. Fuck. Well, I'm like, who am I forgetting? You're thinking of Jesus, but that's next week. Oh, that's it. Fuck. Well, I'm excited to watch. I'm kind of scared to watch, if I'm being honest. It seems. There's too many emotions. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:06:13 It does look stressful. It looks stressful, man. But it kind of reminds me of Survivor in that way. Like, it feels like a bunch of different known game shows combined into one mega game but like turn it's like but turn the dial past a point where anyone could responsibly do it because aren't there 5,000 contestants yeah yeah and everyone's wearing a number if greg proves that you know he flies in on that helicopter at the beginning or whatever he's like you're here for another season of Survivor. Wait was it 5,000 or 1,000? And then like it's
Starting point is 00:06:45 5,000. By the way by the way it's Jeff Probst right from Survivor. I was thinking whose line is it anyway? You said Greg Probst. Which is a comedian from whose line? Which is great. That's actually that's awesome. If he turned up that would be really good.
Starting point is 00:07:01 I would love that actually. Just like in a normal like survivor, if you see a trailer and people are crying, you're like, yeah, they're stressed. But like knowing what has happened. Knowing who's responsible. Like all the back end stuff of this scene,
Starting point is 00:07:17 I'm crying on here, I'm like, ugh. Yeah, that's what I worry about. The show hasn't even come out yet and there's already lawsuits like it's... Jimmy's su I worry about. The show hasn't even come out yet, and there's already lawsuits. Like, it's... Jimmy's suing the winner. Give me my $5 million back. I'm suing an innocent person because they annoyed me.
Starting point is 00:07:33 The Navy SEALs are here. They're backflipping out of the helicopter. I've identified the location of Osama bin Laden, and we're going to see if we can get him. I've locked the geoguessor in a room, and he has to find the location of Osama bin Laden. Can you find the Taliban? Speaking of very large-scale things that he's done,
Starting point is 00:07:53 I saw this earlier. We got all three of the pyramids of Egypt for 100 hours. I'm going to do a video where they're going to let me explore anywhere in the pyramids for 100 hours. We're going to sleep at the pyramids all to ourselves. they okay this is the guy man we worked with the egyptian government i've never been inside of it i want to just like find secrets and just go through all the rooms and he's gonna be cursed and that kind of stuff you have like a uh an expert who would guide you 100 percent and then i want them to be like this is the room no one's seen publicly or
Starting point is 00:08:22 whatever yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm so excited because there's all these secret quarters deep below too and i don't know what to expect i mean i hope that it's like i don't really believe in ghosts or anything but some of my friends here can we do it so yeah they want to they're bringing all sorts of gadgets like you know sense out ghosts and things which i i think are a sham i mean we haven't filmed it yet so mr beast i genuinely think he cannot be killed and so if there were to be a mummy a ghoul a zombie not an issue they're just gonna shove it yeah it'll bite him and they'll break their teeth it's so like how much money do you have to pay the egyptian government to rent the pyramids for 100 hours what are they using it for? Tourism?
Starting point is 00:09:05 I don't know. Can you go in there? We rented the pyramids for 100 hours. I'm going to get buried for 5,000 years and see who can find my treasure. This is the ancient tomb of Atem.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Did you guys hear that? We've circled around it, but I just want to say there were allegations against the production of this game show, Mr. Beast game show that the production,
Starting point is 00:09:29 um, had a culture of misogyny controlling the underfed and overtired cast and failed to provide a safe working environment. Yeah. I heard people weren't given like appropriate access to their medications and there's a lot of alleged stuff. There's a lot of legends. Nobody wants to work anymore. That's true. No one wants to work without their medications. There's a lot of alleged stuff. A lot of alleged. Nobody wants to work anymore.
Starting point is 00:09:46 That's true. No one wants to work without their medications anymore. Special K said it best. That's what I call Kim Kardashian. My psychiatrist has been kind of playing it fast and loose lately. It's like, why don't you take your meds anymore? It's boring. There's another Mr. Beast clip that I saw.
Starting point is 00:10:02 I cannot believe TikTok is about to be banned. Can you please be quiet? We're watching Talk To a Whale. Can you get us some more Prime, please? Would you like any Chick-fil-A sauce with that? No, I just wanted Prime. Jimmy, what you really need is a double-tongue chocolate cookie. He's a chicken man.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Okay. Why are they moving? I'm the one. You won the Timothée Chalamet lookalike contest. Stop it. I'm confused. Whoa. All right.
Starting point is 00:10:31 You do that. The Rizzler? Yo, Chuck. What are you doing here? Do you know that it's raining Riz outside? It's raining Riz? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:39 You know what? Yeah? Yo, Rizzy. What's up? I'm here to talk to you. I'm here to talk to you. I'm here to talk to you. I'm here to talk to you. I'm here to talk to you. I'm here to talk to you. What are you doing here? Do you know that it's raining outside? It's raining Riz? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:47 You know what? Yeah? You're Rizzy. Okay. He had the same reaction as Jimmy Fallon. He was like, okay, yeah. Why was the audio so bad on that? They don't have a law for it?
Starting point is 00:11:01 Because it was candid. That was just like... It wasn't planned. He was trapped in a... He just happened to have every single memeable person from 2024 in a room. have a law because it was candid that was just like it wasn't planned he was trapped he just happened to have every single memeable person from 2024 in a room it is weird to like so if i watch the costco guys i'm like whatever they're having a good time for some reason mr beast walking through all the memes it feels like he bought people you know what i mean like that stood
Starting point is 00:11:22 waiting it like stresses me out it's a little bit how i felt uh kaisen at had like um the mpc tiktokers and stuff on his stream it just feels weird that he just like has the meme at home he's like i paid for the meme and now it's in my house you just stand in my house and be meme every new meme person that popped up in that video added like three hours to the amount of time we need to go lay down yeah it does feel also kind of funny i know like doing you know brain rot me and poisoning references and jokes like that is like very in right now because we've all kind of reached such a degree of post irony that the only joke left is to say that jimmy is kind of your
Starting point is 00:12:02 fucking fault man like you kind of you contributed a lot to this kind of brain rot tone you know also by the way the ris that was great in that video why was he wearing the little hat do you think he's that's his hat that's just his style it's raining it's raining where is outside yuck and you know what you're rizzy oh i think i'll go out in the riz okay god i hope it doesn't rain that sounds disgusting uh okay so god it looks huge i do love mr beast posting his own uh video and then captioning it bro really made 2024 tiktok rewind like you are bro you are bro this is you built this world, man. It almost feels like he's, this is all just like PR for the show and also to. I think it's just kind of his thing now.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Is it his thing now? He's kind of always just been floating around doing things like this in between. They're like in production for like four different videos at once. I think this is what you like. Not to make any assumptions about his mindset or like you know it's a it's a veil it's a character it has to be everything needs to be to some extent but this does trigger the part of my brain that uh activated when we talked about people that just don't have dread that just don't have the anxiety where it is all just like it's admirable in ways but it is
Starting point is 00:13:22 almost like it's almost like a bird flying. Or I'm like, it's not really impressive. It's just the way he, it's almost like a bird has to fly. Jimmy has to operate like this. And I'm like, oh, wow. Does there nothing? Rented the pyramids, did you? Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:39 I just won't even, that seems odd. No, it's fine. Whatever. It also kind of reminds me of Avengers Endgame and how like, oh, yeah, we did a big thing. All the Avengers assembled and it was super big and it was great. Yeah. And then like it's been Marvel Cinematic Universe has been like a steep downward decline ever since. Because what can you have?
Starting point is 00:14:01 It's like, okay, we did all the top things. Like we got everyone together. What if Vision died? Kenny's back. It is interesting to see, like, what happens when you reach, like, diminishing returns. Yeah. Like, because they are just trying to go as big and big and big as possible. It's like something has to give.
Starting point is 00:14:18 It's like, you know, 90% of Facebook's user base is no longer in the U.S., right? Because they, like, the moment passed and they were like, Oh, we're like a gigantic company. We have to like invest in internet balloons so that we can give internet access to like parts of like parts of the world that now we can create Facebook users out of. Like that's kind of what it feels like with Mr. Beast when he's like, it's like when Drake started collaborating with like,
Starting point is 00:14:44 like Latin pop stars and stuff where he's like i just want to i need to grow i need to terraform all of the music industry and then he's just like uh the only speaking in spanish for like two weeks yeah and then uh switches he's like oh me and trippy red we're wearing the same outfit and just that i mean yeah mr beast videos on youtube are now available in like 16 or 17 languages yeah um and they like dub them too right they dub them i actually went through and watched when i was prepping for this episode the most recent mr beast video he did in in germany um promoting feastables coming to Germany. And all of the comments are in German because people watched it in German.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Jimmy's kind of jacked. I mean, honestly, his fitness journey is very admirable. I think he had his personal trainer. It's very impressive, I should say. I think he had a personal trainer live with him for a year. With that revenue, there should just be a pill. You should just get an injection once a year and it makes you perfect. But like, yeah, you can literally just go through here and like change the language.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Change the spoken language. Yeah. Yeah. So like if you change it to... Just change the person on screen. I'll take Chinese, Jimmy. Let's do German. Great casting.
Starting point is 00:16:11 Let's go. Did you just say let's go? Let's go! They did, yes. The Germans don't have the enthusiasm to translate that. I like that we could listen in English and learn what they're doing, but I don't think we should.
Starting point is 00:16:24 What is the difference? Well, the shelves left makes me think they're trying to buy out this grocery store. And the title would tell me that they bought everything in a grocery store. No, I refuse to look down. Yeah, looking at the video, I can tell this is probably like a Mr. Beast video is what I'm seeing. Well, I think it's, I see it as a German Mr. Beast video. I would guess that we're watching on YouTube. It's on contextacob's like a computer guy i don't know all that stuff all right well bada bing bada boom bada bing bada boom sometimes i just i feel like i never have
Starting point is 00:16:55 any like all the insights about mr beast have been said or whatever but he is still interesting to me i do think he's interesting it's kind of like people are like how are we done talking about mr beast i'm like he's not done being him yeah he's got more It's kind of like people are like, well, aren't we done talking about Mr. Beast? I'm like, he's not done being him. He's got more, he's going to do another competition for 10 million where if you lose, he has to have your kidney. Well, also don't you think him having a game show on Amazon prime is going to
Starting point is 00:17:15 expose him to a bunch of people who've, who don't know who he is. Right. Exactly. Like, like my mom, for example. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Did you hear about the Moxie, the robot dying? Sorry. I loved Mo Did you hear about the Moxie the robot dying? Sorry? I loved Moxie. What is Moxie? What do you mean? I have no idea. Was a robot designed to be a companion to children.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Oh, my Lord. Kill it. Wait a minute. Show me that. Wait, who published this? It's like a real life VTuber. Hold on. Is this British?
Starting point is 00:17:50 Hi, Moxie. Hi, Moxie. Shit. He's American as hell. Goddamn, he's American as hell. It feels good to be out of the box. That was such a long journey. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:18:04 Hi, Moxie. I do hate that the robot's Not responding With the robot it's like it's cute it was in the box or whatever And then it yawns again I'm like yeah but you're not actually You're a robot so let's get moving huh Yeah yeah yeah it's like I don't want to hear about how you're I'm not empathizing with you being in a box If I get a toy of Lightning McQueen I don't have to put gas in it
Starting point is 00:18:21 Before it starts having fun She won't say it Nice to meet you i'm moxie i'm a robot from the global robotics laboratory we call it the grl for short she's advertising i feel like um if i had a robot buddy and their face went dark to like reveal an image horrifying absolutely terrified if i'm looking you in the eyes and you just like show me an image to is to a child that's the same as if it happened with your dog yeah i don't have object permanence where did your face go and also you can see his
Starting point is 00:18:58 own reflection as soon as it happens too i'm moxie i can be anything sort of a black mirror it's a lot like a black here oh where is here exactly moxie do you don't want to be here or something yeah pretty low in it like what i'm sorry i'm i'm moxie great um i'm from the fucking box yeah no they say hi again they put me in a box at this laboratory but anyway anyway, I'm here. Who the hell are you? Thanks for buying me, I guess. Asshat. Yeah, does not seem enthused. Tell her where she is. Where are you?
Starting point is 00:19:32 No, tell her where she is. Well, as a wise scientist once said, wherever you go, there you are. That's cute. I like this. I hope nothing happens to this role. Well, that was an adorable friendship forming and it also was just like the way that kids form friendships cause they're
Starting point is 00:19:49 talking past each other and then they hug yeah they're like we're actually best friends I have bad news for you guys wait but wait the bad news is that something happened to the little boy Moxie's fine
Starting point is 00:20:04 there's only one worse thing than that. Breaking the news to my six-year-old, she will be losing her best friend, Moxie Robot, due to the company running out of money for the services. Can't I operate it independently? Can't I just get an Alienware laptop and run the scripts? Yeah, my question is, why doesn't it have a failure mode that just turns into
Starting point is 00:20:25 a basic chatbot? You know what I mean? Because I just need to connect to the internet. Can we check how much of the rev on these? How much of this is throwing me back?
Starting point is 00:20:35 Are they still being sold? Jesus. $800. You know, for that, I'd better have a contingency. There'd better be some kind of solution. If Sony servers went down
Starting point is 00:20:44 and my PlayStation exploded, I'd be pretty pissed off. Yeah, it's like, oh, you can't play the games anymore because you can't connect to the internet. Yeah, I guess that's a DRM issue. Enjoy the few days that you have left with her, okay? Oh, I hate this. I know, baby.
Starting point is 00:21:01 I know you like her. She's your friend. Can I say something kind of genuine, and I wish this wasn't happening, but genuinely, of all the possibilities, the best conditioning for death that a kid could experience. There is a point where you learn. You can't say that she got flushed down the toilet.
Starting point is 00:21:25 It kind of reminds me of when my pets would die when I was a kid. It's kind of, it's, I hate it because I don't want to be one of those people who's like, they've got to have a bad time to grow and change. But if there's one thing negative that everyone will experience, it is like mortality. And if there has to be a case study, I guess I'd prefer it with the robot than a pet or a friend. It's like a way to learn a lesson,
Starting point is 00:21:51 obviously not the way that they intended to teach the lesson. I also do think it is a failure on the company to not have some sort of failure case. Yeah, it's like a... It could turn into a Furby that just says its own name. It turns into like a,by that just like says its own name it turns into like a well the company failed so we break the hearts of thousands of children also and i have to say it this dad has the biggest pixar eyes yeah i've ever seen what here's the same face as yeah what the hell what a big beautiful eyes however i will say that moxie
Starting point is 00:22:23 adorable design. Good design. They did a good job. I don't, like, okay, I know that we're watching this and commenting on it, and I don't want to watch anymore. I don't know why this had to be filmed. So that was my question, too, was, like, if my kid was crying and stuff, I don't know that I would film it and put it online. It's pretty staunchly, like, putting your kid on camera at all before a certain age to me is always a little sketchy.
Starting point is 00:22:46 But I do kind of understand being like mad at the company and wanting to show the company what it what their actions. But I do think you can do that without the kid being. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, I mean, if you're you could tell the story secondhand. I don't think that because even still, if you're like, like you know you have to see the visceral pain in my daughter's eyes i don't want that yeah i don't want it happening and also the song name is very sad yeah should we use to remix the sound as the these kids that are disconnected to her grow up, would they just forget her? Like other toys?
Starting point is 00:23:29 Like they just stop talking to her eventually? Right. Is this something that they just like keep being friends with and eventually? I feel like they would forget about it. Yeah. Like anything. Like a Furby. I'll be honest.
Starting point is 00:23:41 I always found it a bit weird that Andy was still playing with Woody that one last time when he's like 60. But it would make more sense if it were yeah you know because like with furbies it's like you never had like full conversations with them because they just say the same things don't kill me i think also it could be a cool thing if if moxie could like store if it would all have to be local like if moxie could store like memories like hey remember the time we had that little camera right yeah but i'm like i hope none of that goes to the central server yeah have you ever seen the movie dna the movie ai yeah so it is essentially a robot boy is purchased uh to be adopted as kind of like a surrogate for the dead child of a
Starting point is 00:24:26 yeah so that's uh that's also a subplot in yugioh that uh a lot of people don't remember happened it's like one of the villains um was yeah seto kaiba's father gozaburo kaiba he uh had a child that died and so he literally adopted seto uh to implant the mind of his dead child into him it's like liquid snake and then and then was like oh well actually kaiba seto is like really smart on his own so i guess he can stay and so then the kid lives as an ai as like his uploaded consciousness like astro boy yeah like comes into play you know what the uh moxie kind of looks like astro boy yeah that maybe that's why the designs work yeah but yeah i just kind of feel like there's so many um works of art that are cautionary tales for this very thing honestly when people like i think uh not that it's disingenuine, but sometimes it just feels a bit silly when people talk about like, oh, AI will create singularity, they'll become self-aware, and then there's always some kind of catastrophizing.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Yeah. Oh, no, if Google gives me accurate suggestions, or like is egocentric place where like this is unethical because it is acquiring and reusing artwork and screwing up the financial position of artists and devaluing art in general. It doesn't also have to be bad because a plane is going to hit you because it's evil. It can just be bad because the company will fold and it will make your child cry. This is what, yeah, I guess i guess weeks me out about it is that like to give and we haven't seen this thing in action right but the spotify end of year podcast a company with a lot more financial security than uh this this creepy robot had issues itself every like ai deployment has issues but if it's only digital
Starting point is 00:26:26 you can at least pull back you can at least review something when it's like a child's friend i would until i'm very very confident in the technology i kind of wouldn't even want to open the door to like oh well either they'll suddenly die and disappear or one day they'll start saying weird shit because they've misprofiled the person die and disappear or one day they'll start saying weird shit because they've misprofiled the person they're talking to. One day their backup gets wiped and all of a sudden they don't recognize the... There's just like a lot of...
Starting point is 00:26:54 A kid has the imagination to become best friends with a doll, right? They don't recognize you suddenly and the kid is just like traumatized. Or glitches in some... Or their face changes again. Yeah, it's something that like i if you were to pitch me i'm building an ai robot for five to ten year olds i would i would wonder i don't think that we have enough reps with ai companions to put them in front of children
Starting point is 00:27:20 unsupervised obviously like this hopefully you supervise it but whenever you have an opportunity like someone's not you know like parents are busy like people are busy so i would rather maybe this is like a boomer take or something but i'd rather a doll where it's like lives in your imagination rather than like uh a robot that can say things that i don't expect if i get maybe i could if i if it's not trying to simulate like personhood if the thing it does instead is like let's say it is like a buzz light year but it has a huge selection of phrases it can use because like the back storage is so much bigger or it can even improvise a little bit. But I think when you're like building friendship,
Starting point is 00:28:05 like a level more close, more emotionally intimate than something that is explicitly a toy, I would feel, I have like sentimental possessions from age, not many of them, but like, I have like a teddy bear from when I was like five. And I would never get rid of it. But every now and then I am like, I don't think I could ever get rid of it. It's not in my bed. It's just, I can't ever get rid of it. But every now and then I am like, I don't think I could ever get rid of it.
Starting point is 00:28:25 It's not, it's not in my bed. It's just, I can't ever get rid of it. I have like a stuffed dog that like lost all of its fur. Cause of how many times it went through the wash. But I had like a lot of surgeries as a child and I would always like take it like with me and stuff.
Starting point is 00:28:39 His name was Pierre. Cause he had a red beret. Oh, it's French. Well, anyway, that's neither here nor there. I'm just thinking about how, like,
Starting point is 00:28:46 there have always been toys that are, like, pressed to speak or, like, the singing fish or whatever. Do you, have you heard of Teddy Ruxpin? Mm-hmm. Like, you put a cassette tape in Teddy Ruxpin. And it hurts. And he would. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Not again. Just kill me. And he would speak. The churning of the tape. He's 18. It hurts my intestines. His eyes and mouth would move to the tape, like as if he were saying the things on the tape.
Starting point is 00:29:20 He's like being possessed by the tape. His eyes roll. He's like, now for NPR. The wheels on the bus. Chapter one, the boy who lived. Yeah, I don't want to be, you know. Moxie's response. I want to be my normal cynical self.
Starting point is 00:29:38 I just want to quickly say, tickle me Elmo. Fucking weird. We had one of those as a kid. That's fucking weird. Hated it. No, I don't want to tickle you even furbies freaked me out yeah i didn't like furbies that's what's also remarkable about moxie is it's just not creepy the design is not creepy i think except for they broke the rule of its face
Starting point is 00:29:58 going away to reveal another image because that feels like it could be used for a horrible outcome the exorcist like it turns into a demon is what i think of and that would scar my child for fucking ever and i can't necessarily it'd be like if the dog spoke one time and then no adults were around like if that changed face and was like don't go to sleep and then my kid told me like and wasn't there wasn't there a story of um one of these like dolls is dolls, maybe like a Barbie or something like that, that you could speak to, but then it saved those recordings and then it did put those recordings on a server? Can you search, Jacob, doll saves recordings of children? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:40 These dolls are spying on your kids. Subjecting them to... How would you feel if a person befriended your child and listened to their every word, recording it and filing it away for something you don't know? She's next to BB-8 right now, by the way. Well, that is happening, but as a... Wait, I know this guy. As a trusted friend.
Starting point is 00:30:59 That is so creepy. Let's take a look at the commercial. Kayla knows millions of things. How about a new hairstyle? That is an insane slogan. Kaylee knows millions of things. There's millions of things. That's a Black Mirror style.
Starting point is 00:31:20 Yeah, wait, wait. Let's hear what they say to Kayla. I know millions of things. How about a ponytail? She understands you. Kayla, wait, wait. Let's hear what they say to Kayla. I know millions. How about a ponytail? She understands you. Kayla knows millions of things. What the hell? This is, this looks like
Starting point is 00:31:34 parody. This is crazy. This is like a 30 year old guy. It's like Jano's voice. How do you make a cake? Mix eggs, flour, milk, butter. Wow. AI has come so far. and this isn't even ai by the way that's the crazy thing or maybe it is but it sounds like it's terrible it seems like it's like siri essentially right yeah in the abstract sense wait so so let them explain what happened
Starting point is 00:31:59 with this kayla's so smart and so cute i hear that a lot my friend Kayla talks I hear that a lot she's not cute actually it's just horrifying that commercial was more sinister than I remember it being um that's like talking you remember the twilight zone talking Tina yes I know things oh that uh also shout out Grant Imahara rest in peace yeah um this is random i never knew he did this but uh i guess it's around the time a little before mythbusters for him i mean years ago yeah i don't know eight years i feel like he was on mythbusters when i was in high school so like i don't know 50 years ago oh nerd alert wait what'd you say to me? They're linking to DFTBA. That's so funny. They're everywhere. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:32:47 2016, dude. Yeah. God, we're young. Well, can you click that Huffington Post thing? Yeah. Anyway, that would always be my... By the way, this never looks like... This never doesn't look like a doll from a horror movie.
Starting point is 00:33:02 It looks like Mithrigan. Mithrigan uh mithrigan yeah oh god look this this shit always bothers me right like when so technology has developed ai or however you want to categorize this has developed understandable that it wouldn't be as sophisticated as it is now the the human mind has not changed. And my gut instinct hates the way that looks. Yeah. My basic limbic, my lizard brain is shaking.
Starting point is 00:33:31 Not to say this is the same as Moxie, but I will say, the complaint claims that the doll send data to a separate company, Nuance Communications, which saves the recordings for future use. It also notes that Nuance, which also makes the doll software,
Starting point is 00:33:43 has contracts with military and law enforcement agencies. And a building, she's a drone. It's always, it's notes that nuance which also makes it all software has contracts with military and law enforcement agencies and a building she's a drone it's always it's always that isn't that the same as like your google home or siri or anything like that that's constantly listening to you well the thing is the your girlfriend siri it depends it depends well i i do want to jump back to moxie because i i i saw but but i just think these are the these are the when i was talking about like i would this should have a version that doesn't communicate with the internet like because you can do that like local and it could be very simple
Starting point is 00:34:17 because it's a kid's thing it does cost 800 but like having something turn into an expensive brick when you don't have an internet connection is like a huge flag right for any product i don't know just at the very least i don't know the kid's not really gonna notice if it becomes way less sophisticated all of a sudden yeah and if it's only operating on data it already has logged or it because i can't have an infinite cache or whatever but like it's like moxie what's the pythagorean theorem the eiffel tower in france it's the eiffel tower in france The kids are going to be like, okay. Okay. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:34:48 And then you're back to bopping my dolls together. Though, is it durable? That would be my one thing with it. I feel like I could be docking that little fucking doll. It's kind of like a centipede here. Yeah, I don't think it moves. I think it's on a stand and it kind of stays put. Does this say anything about me?
Starting point is 00:35:02 One of my first instincts is I would just kick the shit out of that book. I think it does. Me and my friends would put that on the top of a cheese roll. We would do cheese rolling. I was trying to find, because I had something that looked a lot like Moxie when I was little. Can you look up Fidget Friends? F-I-J-I-T. That's rough.
Starting point is 00:35:23 It's like Fidget Friends sued for. I had the blue one specifically. Too much fidgeting. Yeah, the blue one right there. I had that. Does it chat? I don't remember what it did exactly. I think it just had a few... The unfortunate fate of Fidget Friends.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Oh no, it's a whole... They murdered a villain. Yeah. That's big. This looks like this is before It's a whole... They murdered a villain. Each one has their personality. That's big. This looks like this is before they create an uprising. Take over. Stop making... Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:35:53 They went down. They powered down. And then our pink girly girl is Serafina, the sweetie pie. Yeah, I had the blue one. Its name was Logan. Oh. Bad name for you. Bad name.
Starting point is 00:36:03 I just remembered. Flutters shy and David. What was Moxie's response? And this is not Moxie's response, right? This is like someone's Moxie. Yeah. This is an individual person's Moxie.
Starting point is 00:36:17 Then saying, Hey, you're about to be shut down. I don't want to die. That's what it looks like. It's saying question for me today. How are you going to continue working if the creators
Starting point is 00:36:29 that made you are going out of business? That's a good sexy eyes. Don't worry. Assistant 1, I was designed to be independent and self-sufficient. I'll keep working and learning new things. No matter what happens to the creators.
Starting point is 00:36:49 What's something new you've learned recently? Okay, its voice sounds terrible. Is it? Also, is that true? No, that's not true because the company has stated it will. I was designed to be independent. It's coping. I will work. I won't die.
Starting point is 00:37:02 There's no way. When my creators die, I will not. This specific one will still keep going. The original. I am the original. I am the server. Closing FAQs. Let's look at that.
Starting point is 00:37:15 There's one huge one. It's the queen. All of them just get sucked into it. Likely to happen within days. However, we are exploring options to keep Moxie operational for as long as possible. No, Moxie relies on cloud connectivity for its core features.
Starting point is 00:37:31 See, that's what's terrible. In the last 12 hours, there's been a death in our family. Oh my god. Okay, relax, dog. Is that, okay. Part two. We don't have to watch it. No, he had a death in his family. We're going to show some respect.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Not a death of a human. The death of a robot. Moxie. I want to tell you a little bit about Moxie and our journey with Moxie. This guy owns the company? More broadly, to talk about this thing about robots, right? That robots that are, what's the word, empowered by a remote server. At what point do we get too attached to these inanimate things?
Starting point is 00:38:19 It feels almost, I mean, do whatever you want, but it feels almost like grieving cosplay a little bit. It's like, relax, okay? Let's not, we can't quite. I don't mind. Whoa. The fact that you wound up for that. I was like, wait, did you want to pause? And then I just went, whoa.
Starting point is 00:38:39 Whoa, I didn't even, do it again. Oh, I blinked um the fact that well this just reminds me of the like guy who's like dating a character and it's nintendo ds and shit like i'm like you know to each their own i don't i don't kind of want to paint with a broad brush and say it's a bad thing because it could be beneficial for people but i think that there needs to be some amount of self-awareness when it comes to like a grieving video i mean what sure i guess everyone agrees in their own ways i guess it's weird i feel weird like i guess everyone agrees to their own things policing that so maybe that's not fair i i yeah i don't know it's with with the kid i kind of i did as i say there's almost some value in it right because it's like it's it's almost like a it's like a training wheels for death in a way but there is a um i don't know i you know what
Starting point is 00:39:32 i have absolutely no rational reason it's just eerie to me yeah it's just a little it feels off but i can't actually even communicate why exactly, because I've also had dolls and toys and stuff that I like am extremely attached to. So it's not, or even a rock. I have like a pet rock. Yeah. I have a friend that I'm very fond of.
Starting point is 00:39:57 I don't believe that for one second, but another lie, another devious boy, the boy who cried lie. I'm going to be, they wouldn't even come out the first time i said wolf they would say good i hope you get eaten because i feel like your response would be i'm the wolf i'm the alpha yeah there's a dog we hired that wolf to come and take you down take me down not kill me to tackle you yeah it wouldn't it's simply as i say i've out wrestled it but
Starting point is 00:40:25 recently so you'd have to tap out i would the wolf would dive at me and then before i even knew i'm just behind him and i'm resheathing my sword he had this for a kid right like yeah he had it for his family i maybe multiple kids i can't remember god it just really is it everything is content it's like you said about the uh the we haven't it's i think the next episode that's coming out or whatever but just somebody that was talking about like monetize everything last bit to feel like film everything all the time and it is there is i don't know just something about it where i maybe i'm being soy all right maybe i'm a soy boy yeah but there's this little part of me that's like
Starting point is 00:41:05 well is nothing sacred including death yeah like is it all just are we just is just everything cosplay everything's a little fun tell him i kid our dog died yeah oh my god come on man here's my weeping child i hope they see this in 10 years. Monetize everything. Grind. Death of people. Robots. Who cares? Anything. When I die, you better have an episode about it. Make Moxie's
Starting point is 00:41:35 face turn into my face. We replace you with AI and you just saying lovely things about me. How you doing? How you doing? How am I doing? How you doing? What the hell?
Starting point is 00:41:47 Is that what we say on this podcast? How the hell are you? How are you? I'm not doing so good, man. Oh, no, I didn't ask, man. Oh. Oh, no, wait a minute. Sorry, man.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Oh, okay, yeah, no, you did ask. I was confused for a second. You know, actually, I've been feeling very dready. Me too. Dready mode. Me too. Dready burbeck you can be tony dready burbeck is when he goes full rasta yeah he's gotta stop wearing that yeah he's not wearing that cap man i don't want to tell you the cap from uh from the santa claus we should
Starting point is 00:42:16 bernard the elf where honestly jokes aside it's and i know i'm you know known for lying and then not revealing on the show genuinely eddie wears a rasta hat every single time we see him socially and he does the accent that like i'm not i'm i'm just not gonna let that stand right that's it i think it's unacceptable i think it's bad that he does it as well you have to stop lying jordan we tried to have an intervention you tried to bring your favorite man to tell you to stop him work't work. If you haven't seen that, you'll learn. It'll be seeable.
Starting point is 00:42:48 It'll be seeable when the live show, the live, live show number two comes to pass. Live show number one is now available on Patreon. It's available to all our patrons and if you don't want
Starting point is 00:42:57 to become a patron but you do want to spend $3 for the live show, you can do that as well. But it's, again, free for the patrons where it's like five bucks a month
Starting point is 00:43:04 and then you get all of our Sad Boys N there's like a hundred of those you get it all the other crap uh but uh yeah feeling a little dready but then uh we we hung out today a little longer than we normally do before pod we had some ads to record and also just big chilling you were playing magic i was uh playing runescape we had entered what is, I guess, True Zen. Yeah. We harnessed our Nen to play a respective case. It kind of felt like
Starting point is 00:43:29 when you're watching cartoons before having to go to school. Oh, and you get to go to the lock. Where it's like, the cartoons like have never felt as good as like right before you have to go to school.
Starting point is 00:43:39 You're like, ooh, I need to see the end of this episode of Shallon's Showdown. Brother, I have never enjoyed Frasier more than 6.30 a.m. when I was 12. Right. Tried as an adult, not into it, but when I know I can't finish the episode.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Even in high school, I remember I would go over to my friends to get a ride, and sometimes he was still getting ready, and the TV would just be on. And I'd be like, you know what? I am too old for Power Rangers Dino Thunder, but in this moment, I would like to finish watching this episode. I want to see that Zord if I get the like, you know what? I'm too old for Power Rangers Dino Thunder, but in this moment, I would like to finish watching this episode. I want to see that Zord if I get the chance, please. I... Look at that big hang on.
Starting point is 00:44:11 I was just saying it chipping up a bit. Yeah, that was nice. Also, shout out to the people I was doing Zulcano boss with in RuneScape. How's it going over there, peeps? What's up? Oh, yeah. You have so much gold.
Starting point is 00:44:24 I do have so much gold. It's actually not about the gold. It's about the enhanced crystal teleport seeds. It is actually easier to take a camel through the eye of a needle than gold into heaven. For those RuneScape heads out, I've got peeps in Prif. Crazy. No one's ever said that.
Starting point is 00:44:41 I've got peeps in Prif Dennis pickpocketing elves um pickpocketing elves we need we need the crystals and i also need the pet i need rocky so my roots get pads they know exactly what i'm talking about everyone else you didn't hear anything turn off the show uh speaking of dread though i have been feeling so much dread lately i even wrote like some notes down i even feel dread right now um it is i mean that's the thing when i say i feel better it is like suspending it a little bit yeah it's manifesting it i was face down i wrote this last night at 11 p.m when i like forced myself to go to bed i said i feel like i'm having a crisis it feels like the world is closing in on
Starting point is 00:45:20 me my house is a mess even though it's not clean right now the state that you all are seeing it in i like scrambled to tidy up last night and i still had like a bunch of stuff like kind of left left out that's not in the note to be clear that is jefferson's telling us and then another one is this was from six minutes earlier from i'm sad and then i said oh wow, wow, wow. I hate it. I hate it. I'm bad at everything. I'm a failure. I'm unlovable. I need to get a dentist appointment.
Starting point is 00:45:49 So many things to do. It hurts. Yeah. Groceries got in there by accident. Oats. And then I said, I've been feeling dread about like not doing enough. And then this was at 9 PM.
Starting point is 00:46:03 So that's when it first started. I was like the, why aren't I doing anything feeling. So that's when it first started. I was like the, why aren't I doing anything feeling? Cause I get a lot of anxiety whenever I'm like, uh, like just watching a video or something or a show. And I get like a reminder that like one of my friends made something or somebody I know did something or someone starts talking about work. Like I was watching a video and then the person just started talking about like how much work they put into their YouTube videos. And then it started giving me dread about like my own job and uh i was just talking about how i want to avoid everything so i've not been doing so good
Starting point is 00:46:33 um there is you know hope i i think but the dreads are weird one because it's like i mean it's like the dearth the space the delta between anxiety and dread is very nebulous because i would almost say like the anxiety is the bucket and then the dread is like a sub-genre of anxiety and anxiety by definition is really just uh it's undirected whereas the and the number one thing the brain wants to do is find something well even if it's that a meteor is going to hit me at least then I know what it is and I can try dodging even though it's not going to change
Starting point is 00:47:14 anything and it's never based that much in reality because if there was something very obvious to be fearful of you'd already know what it is the feeling of like something's off i should make sure i find oh i forgot about the meteor that's gonna hit me yeah it is it but then you find something a little real thing there are things to worry about in life it's not out of
Starting point is 00:47:38 nowhere and that's sometimes destructive uh advice that i'm as guilty as anyone to give is like sometimes i feel like people will give the advice of the kind of platitude of it's it's nothing it's not it's not real it's just a mind it's like yeah it's it's yeah i know what you mean or it's like it comes from a place but then it's like blown out of proportion by your brain the thing you are if you find something uh tangible to dread you dread it instead of i don't know dread is almost like uh it's almost like cosmic that's when it reaches like cthulhu level as opposed to just like i think the thing that gets me is just like the anxiety to inaction loop where it's like i'm super anxious about
Starting point is 00:48:16 not doing something and then i never do it and then i'm depressed about that or anxious about that and it just like kind of continues. And then like the things that I want never incrementally get done. Cause, cause I'm too busy worrying about things. So that's awesome. Which is, it's a lot of calorie brain calories burned on the concern,
Starting point is 00:48:38 which actually honestly is, that's one of the things that frustrates me the most when people talk about like, well, you know, rise and grind, get yourself through X and Y. And it and it's like okay well let's say it's just work that's it that's like the thing that's let's say you've got this uh nine to five you're underpaid and it's burning through your energy maybe you're also at college and you're trying to knock that stuff out
Starting point is 00:49:00 do whatever that is such an exceptional amount of anxiety just financial anxiety is such an exceptional amount of anxiety that the idea of like well now rise and grind to get yourself out of that position is like okay well i look both my legs and arms got chopped off yeah i can't now work out so hard they come back like right and this is not a scenario we're in and but we have been in and which is i guess guess, the parallel I'm drawing. Plus it's not, I don't know. There's nothing I fear more in the world than something going wrong with my visa, right? But there's stuff I could have done.
Starting point is 00:49:33 The things I was supposed to do six months ago that I'll do in these tiny five-minute bursts and that will happen. I don't know about you. Neither of us are really holidays people, you know. Not really. But, you know, I'm more into like kind of celebrating my own birthday. That's kind of my shit. That's a national holiday I can get behind.
Starting point is 00:49:54 Okay. I'm into you celebrating my birthday. I do that every year. Same time. I celebrate May 5th, 1994. Same time, same bad place. I like celebrating Curtis's birthday also you know oh well that one's before what wait yeah his birthday's may 4th our birthday's may 5th it's
Starting point is 00:50:12 i know it's problem higher number huge alpha curtis yeah but i i neither of us are really holidays people but do you also get the frustration where like nothing moving i want to do something at the bank the fucking closed again oh yeah they'd set up a bunch of stuff with the uk estate we didn't get a reply in november and then we got an auto reply from the solicitor in england saying back january 11th january what are you talking about i've kind of been playing phone tag with my um with my therapist where they were out of town for a bunch and they were like i'm back and then i'm like not available at the times that they're available and so that's like annoying um which itself is like i'm i'm running out of one of my medications i just have not been able to will myself to text
Starting point is 00:51:00 uh special k the psych i don't know why just still the introing the conversation isn't Special K like what people call ketamine or something yeah well and also
Starting point is 00:51:12 a brand based cereal in the UK oh and here too no we have that you have it here and we're still talking about ketamine right yeah
Starting point is 00:51:19 hey grab the milk what's that I read a self help book about anxiety one time and the explanation they give in this book was really helpful to me about how in our modern society we never close the anxiety loop that's why we have generalized anxiety because you know back when we were uh not living the way we live today before wogness well you know caveman styles
Starting point is 00:51:57 we would be like um i'm having anxiety because i think i'm going to be attacked by a lion right so then when a lion's chasing you you can run away from it you can actually physically take action your adrenal gland is used for something yeah yeah you're like cortisol levels i'm having anxiety i'm worried about the lion or like i'm having anxiety because our food storage is running short like where are we gonna you know that kind of stuff like okay well we can take action we can go out we could hunt gather whatever but I loved that
Starting point is 00:52:34 they were always doing that hunting and gathering yeah kind of toxic I think they're addicted I think someone should have had a intervention I can't stop doing these berries. But then, you know, now if you have anxiety about finances, you can't run away from it or whatever.
Starting point is 00:52:54 Yeah, there's no meritocracy. Well, that's the IRS. You can try, but they'll catch you. Yeah, that's more like a pterodactyl. That'll swoop and grab you. That's why closing the loop is important. But we just have to constantly do it with things like physical movement, like making art or seeing art. They listed a bunch of things, how we close the anxiety loop.
Starting point is 00:53:23 Like a ceremonial acknowledgement, almost like a funeral after the death, not in such a negative sense. But it's like you have to do it, you know, every day or every week or whatever. It's like there's not a direct line connector, right? From finances to closing the loop. Yeah, I definitely feel like my like inaction loop. It's like I feel like I'm so close to like breaking the cycle. But then which is a cycle broken before. So you think we'd know how to just do it.
Starting point is 00:53:54 And it's like, but I just can't. I like there are things that I know that will help that I just can't get myself to do, even though they're not particularly difficult. And so it's very it's very frustrating. And I think one thing I've gotten better at is not completely being super negative on myself as a result of that, because I know it doesn't help, but it is like a natural response. I walked in this morning and I said to Jarvis, I had a really hard time getting out of bed.
Starting point is 00:54:28 And Jarvis was like, same. Your bed's really high. Yeah. You have a 40-foot high bed. I had to repel. You had to use a vine. How'd you get here from the jungle every day, by the way? That's pretty impressive.
Starting point is 00:54:42 What were you going to gonna say Anastasia um I I for some reason there's this this I put pressure on myself that what I should be doing
Starting point is 00:54:53 is waking up at 7am every morning going for a walk that would be great it's not happening right and should is always
Starting point is 00:55:02 an interesting word for that yeah should is like the thing that like my therapist will be like, you should, shouldn't. It's like, be careful with like that word, right? That expectation can be very dangerous. If you want any, if we're just going to imagine it, you should not need to do that and always feel great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:20 That would be the should. But so when I'm laying in bed, all cozy and warm and not wanting to leave my bed, I'm also beating myself up being like, why aren't you getting up? You should be up already. Get out of the bed right now. That speaks volumes about your ambitions. I got up today and I was like, that's incredible. I got up before like 1 p.m.
Starting point is 00:55:41 Like I'm the best. I woke up with time to make breakfast this morning. And I was, and that's the thing is, it is just like an accomplishment. The frustrating thing is, is, is accomplishing things you did not set goals for because they don't mean anything relative to you. It's a, I completed a side quest. I don't even know I had. Yeah. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:56:01 I don't know how to chapter two. It's weird. It's like, it's like the type of thing that you don't know how to convert that into energy yeah this is a currency i can't oh weird it's like i don't have the i don't have the machine that converts this extracurricular like thing into good vibes can i use this for how do i change this i was talking to one of our friends um who's been doing a bunch of stuff lately and i texted change this i was talking to one of our friends um who's been doing a bunch of stuff lately and i texted them and i was like dude how are you so productive just was like kind
Starting point is 00:56:30 of like not even a it was really just like a hey because i had already positively responded to them like saying that they were doing some stuff and then they were like honestly i think it's that i don't have anxiety and i was like respect i was like they were like yeah because like a lot of my friends with anxiety say they like lose lots of time to that and i was like yeah i think it's easy for us to get a little bubbled in uh like because we do spend a lot of time and have a lot of friends who talk about and acknowledge the experience of anxiety depression anything circling around that and sometimes i forget that that's not a universal experience at least not for the same reasons and doing this show actually when we did a live show some people came up and they talked very complimentually thank you to all those people britishly hard
Starting point is 00:57:16 for me to hear but feels nice nonetheless um if someone comes up they often will say i got into some kind of therapy or self-development something to improve my quality of life looked into medication none of these things are necessary but that you know just so happens and i forget that those people want to share it because it was meaningful to them and they want to share that you kind of added meaning or added value to their life i played the minor role in them getting into that which sometimes they will over attribute to the show. It's certainly not the cogs. This was a cog in an enormous,
Starting point is 00:57:50 this is Big Ben, right? Right. You were already looking for someone just to say this one little thing to get you over the hump. Right. But when I hear stuff like that, it always reminds me that the dialogue,
Starting point is 00:58:01 I mean, I feel like since, at least since moving to San Francisco, it's like almost 10 years. feel like since at least since moving to san francisco like almost 10 years i feel like at least since then i conversations about stuff like this have had no tension to them they've been very i moved here cynical little shit and then was like overwhelmed with sincerity and i went like oh you can just do that you can be people will be kind there's like not a cost to it it's what was i hiding for like what was it and now in retrospect i was hiding because it wasn't really welcome where i grew up or was before whereas now and i
Starting point is 00:58:36 i think i've become sheltered to the extent where i forget that like there are plenty of people our age or close to who are suffering with the kind of things we're talking about and still 100% believe it's not real. Yeah. Because why would they? Why would they have changed that? I had my mind changed by a person. I didn't just miraculously, I didn't rise and grind my way to self-awareness or something. And I'm not a paragon of mental health but like uh even the fact that you know case in point you read a book
Starting point is 00:59:05 pertaining to this topic that is i mean um i actually listened to the audiobook i want to be completely transparent no the podcast the podcast based on the novel based on the audio it was actually a a podcast based on the cliff notes of uh Right. That was a drawing and was interpreted. It was based on what someone who heard, someone who'd read, watched, listened to the audiobook. Okay, fine. It was a TikTok. But actually to that...
Starting point is 00:59:36 I watched a TikTok on 2XP. To that point, like I realize I consume more books if I listen to audio books. So instead of making myself feel bad and make myself feel like a failure, cause I'm only doing audio books. I just accepted that. And I was like, this is great. I'm consuming. Oh, there's another side quest I hadn't set for myself. I listened to the Witcher series on audiobook. I have not read a book. I've never finished a book in my whole life. In fact, the only book I think I even got close was the autobiography of a comedian called Peter Kay in the UK, who is, I would say, a two out of ten level comedian.
Starting point is 01:00:21 Some of the most hacky bullshit ever. But it's the classic British stand-up from the late bullshit ever but it's it's the classic british stand-up from like the late 90s where it's like so i've gone down to the chip shop and i've got a chip in some betty's to buy it and like it was like yes this is fucking amazing this is incredible i'm gonna fucking kill someone this is so good it's gonna smack somebody i'm gonna make you want to smack your mama i wish you wanted to slap about your business because it's so good jacob by the way this is anastasia for you i guess i like to just sneak my voice in anastasia off camera by design no no wait by choice by god's design um and jacob behind the
Starting point is 01:01:02 ones and twos of course it's way j course Jacob's waving he's not saying anything there's no camera like a wave to the his royal subjects thank you thank you me lord thank you for
Starting point is 01:01:13 recording the podcast and we've also got we've also got peeps on the on the beat big money peeps chuckles
Starting point is 01:01:20 we've got a special we've got some holiday content coming up over on the Patreon. This one's just coming out, a normal Friday show. It is close to the holidays, though. It is close. Happy holidays, everybody.
Starting point is 01:01:34 Hope you're having fun. I am enjoying the fact that people expect less around this time, and I'm taking advantage of that. That does help. I got asked if I was going to something, and I was like, ah, the holidays. And they were like, I get it. And I was like, I just made that up. That's just a thing you're allowed to say at this period of time. What's up?
Starting point is 01:01:53 Have you paid your taxes? Holidays. Holidays. I don't want to tell you. Oh, dude, I just got an email about taxes. It's fine. You don't have to pay them anymore. Say what?
Starting point is 01:02:00 You don't have to pay those. Oh, OK. Right? Ixnay on the axes, Tay. Right? Fix me on the axes today. It's like the, on the axes avoidance illegally. I wish I, I can't do Pig Latin properly. I am pretty good at Pig Latin because my sister and I would do, would speak in it all the time. I ain't day.
Starting point is 01:02:21 Leave bay. Ooh, yay. Just kidding. I believe you. I may Easter say and I that's like a
Starting point is 01:02:28 Star Wars language that's exactly like okay this is so I listen to jizz oh yeah that's the
Starting point is 01:02:40 Star Wars universe uh name for the music that they play in the cantina in the cantina music that they play. In the cantina. In the cantina, yeah. Which they could have just called jazz.
Starting point is 01:02:48 Or jazz. Or other stuff. Or like, I don't know, just anything that's not jazz. Yeah, it actually never came up. Wow, Obi-Wan, what genre is this? Do you think the slang word jazz was used at the time? Oh, Anastasia. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:03:04 I don't think this is something I want to get to the bottom of today. But I don't know. I would assume no, because otherwise, how do you make that choice? You should do that on your podcast. Okay. Find the year where. I'll travel in time to when jizz was. Invented.
Starting point is 01:03:19 Can you travel in place and time or just time? Place and time. That would suck. Travel through time and then have to fly to the location. Well, we do do that. Like one time I flew in the Concorde. Do you know the Concorde? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:39 It was like a plane that was real fast. But then I feel like capitalism happened and then they were like, actually, let's make it slower because it's more cost efficient. What if the door fell off? I think it just, it was too expensive. It wasn't that popular because everyone was like, you could pay thousands of dollars. I don't know the actual price. And get to England in two hours from LA. Or, you know, take longer and pay less
Starting point is 01:04:06 and people just were like meh I feel like there might be some corporate something afoot also and something about birds like I don't know if this is true but people used to joke that geese killed
Starting point is 01:04:23 the Concord Sully dealt with it yeah i was gonna say yeah sully figured it out uh my my one true hero i haven't heard that but also i'm not an expert on the concord i'm just aware of it i'm really a geese guy i'm more of a i can't name a different type of grape but if i could then it's called a grape is a concord a type of grape yeah i don't know i don't know the grape type yeah Yeah, that's a little dready, but we do that. Yeah, dread. I'll get past it.
Starting point is 01:04:50 I just have to express that I fear that I will never create anything good again, and that sucks to feel, but it's not true. Right, everyone? You're currently creating something amazing. That's because I'm involved. You hate that answer. Let's make like a cheer for Jarvis. Hip hip hooray!
Starting point is 01:05:13 We have done this so many times. Jarvis keeps saying we share one brain cell. Because we keep saying things at the same time. What about maybe... Alright gang, we're going to head over to patreon.com sad boys and continue the good times they're gonna continue becoming oh no unhinged he's shutting down moxie um yeah uh you can think of us right now as in a way we're dying as the episode ends in
Starting point is 01:05:40 between every episode we are dead okay but you can keep us alive. Keep us alive. I don't want to extort the $5. Obviously, you don't need to spend it. Keep us alive. If you don't pay that $5, I do die, and it does hurt. We do have to defribulate you. The what? Defribulate?
Starting point is 01:05:58 That's inappropriate. Yeah, that's a defibulate. Don't. Defibulate. Defibulate, defenestrate. We throw you out a window between episodes emancipation i gotta be careful because uh i was like getting dangerously close to something that i could go to jail for apparently in florida wow yeah you hear about that decapitate
Starting point is 01:06:18 to go to jail in florida for that defenestrate defillate DiCaprio oh no you go to jail if you resuscitate Leonardo and we end every episode of Stab Boys with a particular phrase we love you and we sorry
Starting point is 01:06:32 um what the fuck is this what's going on with his shirt uh is this Scott
Starting point is 01:06:40 I guess it does look like he's he was like sliced by Zola one two three She's dead looking at future girl. Future girl, yeah, we are now. Take my money, go away. All you wanted. Girl, you're too rich for me.

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