Sad Boyz - Hasan Piker Gets Us Cancelled

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. It's all jazz. It's all jazz. And we're joined today by Hassan D. Piker, the man, the myth, the legend, the big boy, the Kaya dad. I'm a dog dad. Any extra superlatives? Gucci shirt purchaser. I did purchase a Gucci shirt. I bought a car. Nice. How dare you?

No more socialism? In a house. I was like was like yo once i get this bread that's what i thought the bread book was about get your bread up so i did and you know now the socialism shit is over yeah it's over wait okay so you were saying the you were a shoes off household yeah i i was uh i mean turkish people we don't wear shoes in the house normally and i'm very anal about like being clean right you like my house at least other streamers will attest to this is a very low bar to clear for streamers their houses are awful yeah they live in these like multi-million dollar chateaus basically and uh it's all like piles of trash and and boxes everywhere but my house is very clean all the time i want to make sure it's clean all the time i tell everybody to take their shoes off

until i got kaya and she was pissing and shitting everywhere like a demon she would she had a spot i would walk her she would not poop and then she had a little spot in the house where she would go and hide her little poops. Did you have her in a, you know, like a pen? Yeah. Because that was when I first got Dipper, he had a stomach bug that we couldn't figure out what the issue was. And he could not have a solid stool to save his life. Oh, that's bad. Yeah. And so it would literally be just diarrhea all the time. Stressful to go on walks even

because you don't want to hit the concrete and then it's really hard to clean out of the- Yeah. You're just scraping. Yeah. Hoping that it's like not going to cut open like a hole in the poop bag. Yeah. But you're scraping the concrete with your poop bag. Praying that like like there were a few areas that were just dirt and that those were the areas where i'm like i need you to go right

here right now or else the tiny little town i grew up in it was weirdly oh not weirdly it's like you know very it's standardized here to spay and neuter just wasn't there like the idea of it wasn't even like culturally common and so dogs constantly just getting randomly pregnant it became a system in our life and then eventually my dog my whippet got pregnant six i was gonna say kids you're out here talking like the dog like jesus christ or something like the dog accidentally like magically your dog was a virgin and then she was pregnant i don't you're being so rude to my dog a christian like how how young were you is that what your parents told you like the dog was a virgin and then one day she had beautiful children i think i was literally just operating on like the science of like momentum you know just like and then stuff happens you

know when you're a kid and you can't die you're just like yeah just like right you just fall over your skin heals itself that hadn't happened for like childbirth yet i hadn't been like oh people do stuff and then the kid happens yeah like people just random you're an adult now which is why i'm shocked that you're still explaining the same concept well it's all it's all framed back it's like these experiences happen dude you're not listening. I'm saying it happened when I was a kid, and that is true. Now that wouldn't be the case. This fucking.

But after that happened, six puppies, abnormally big for like a whippet litter. And it turns out there's also no potty training standard where I'm from. So every day back from school, the floor's just shit. It's shit you you so your parents didn't even potty train the dog yeah it's just me and my mom and i don't think we ever really anticipated it she's also a very seat of the pants kind of wait your dog's name is whip it no the type of dog oh they look they're like um have you ever seen there's this little mini doc i think it's on espn or something called the michael jordan of dogs oh yeah and it's about wait can we pull this up actually could you could you pull up the michael jordan of dogs because oh my god that's the type of dog yeah it's like a greyhound scaled down they're so athletic and uh and you're probably

thinking their heads are so small their brains are small and they're probably dumb, right? Correct. Yes Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Um, no, he just that dog looks like he just only knows how to run That's what it looks like. It looks like there's only one speed for the dog. Yes. Yeah, that's yeah, that's the one Jacob Look at all those oh my god yeah this is pretty trophy homework and walking dogs like killing two birds with one stone wow he's not even going fast whatever just wait i'm so close to revoking my all dogs are cute principle all right here we go here we go you must change your mind, okay? The music. Some may be gross, but they are beautiful. They leap into the water.

Let's see Kaia do this. And they have to grab a thing. Like Michael Jordan. What the fuck? And when you see this at full speed, it's insane. You think Air Jordan could do this shit? No way, fuck. And when you see this at full speed, it's insane. You think Air Jordan could do this shit? No way, dude. No fucking way.

Six rings and he couldn't do a single dog dive. Dog shit bite. Look at the angle. Yeah, the angle's ridiculous. Bro, that is so much. It's wild. That's so much height, dude. And it's this high school girl who has this uncanny bond with this dog.

It's like a movie. People are going crazy for it. They're like, wow. I mean, dude, if you live in Iowa, this is the nuttiest shit. Look at this. Yeah, I love that. I love that. The one thing that doesn't hit about this documentary is it sets itself up like it's going to be like I, Tonya.

Where it's like, wow, this is so impressive. And then a dark story outlines it. It's just like, yeah, the dog jumped really good. Yeah, the dog jumped really good. It did destroy another dog's crew. I like, yeah, there's no drama. The dog's ex-boyfriend shattered another dog. The dog bites the other dog's leg before the competition.

Fucks the dog up. That's, I'm glad that they're that they're doing this this is a great documentary what a way to start the podcast yeah i had to talk about spitfire that's actually it for today yeah all right peace guys i mean we're reacting i don't know if this is kosher oh yeah hey look this espn and it's uh two just a few seconds i think as far as the industry goes this is the safe space for react okay finally we can say what's on our mind yeah have a nice debate where we agree i mean listen i i i posted that photo uh remember from uh the streamies last year oh yeah when i was like me me with everyone whose content i've stolen right right and then like i guess people

don't understand that like content creators are friends with one another so they're like no actually you are stealing their content i'm gonna be mad on behalf of them yeah it's a it's a it's a nuanced uh it's a nuanced thing we talk about this with ludwig too where there's just a line where it's like uh you know if you leave if you leave the chair and you don't know the creator i've noticed that you've changed your your react habits though i was watching you do some reacts you're watching brand deals is there like a like a big takeaway from like the react gate drama that you're just trying to no okay i i feel like as far as react gate goes i've been in the crosshairs yeah for for this particular thing many times over and the first time i changed my habits dramatically because i do think that it was like fucked up

because i had a dual cam setup where if i was in the kitchen i was still watching yeah and and look but like people didn't fucking know that only my community knew that but it was like super clippable did you be like fuck this guy you know yeah. Only my community knew that, but it was like super clippable. Did you be like, fuck this guy, you know what? Look at what he's doing. I think I watched some of your like, back in the true crime react era, it would be like, you came back

and people were like, you missed something. It was like, no, no, I watched it. I was there. Tons and tons and tons of the people that are seeing clips may not be that familiar with your content in general and are watching a clip, even if it's one of the extended highlights that you don't upload but you know yeah exactly which is like he just walked or what the hell but you've been live for 29 hours or whatever yeah there's also that element of it where people are just like unfamiliar with the process like they

don't they don't understand it yeah um so i changed that a while ago when the original ReactGate happened. It was like three years ago or two years ago. I don't even remember. So I stopped doing that. And then, I mean, even now, every now and then, I still have to go pee. Or like other emergencies happen while you're streaming that I don't really talk about too much. But there's a lot of things happening uh in a in a 10-hour time frame throughout the day so sometimes you're unfortunately away from the computer and can't immediately go back and i'm not talking like i had explosive diarrhea right you know what i mean

yeah just regular diarrhea yeah but i mean it could be that the dog had explosive diarrhea I mean oh fuck I have to claim that now it's I think the the other line especially for like the the reason it was so easy for the xqc situation to kick this off the new react date was because he was literally like not in his chair and then it was also posted I think by one of his editors to youtube yeah he would post like straight vod rips onto his youtube yeah i never do that but like yeah um but it doesn't matter because a lot of people didn't realize that i have like a thousand fan owned and operated channels that i don't even touch the revenue of at all like they just make their own money off of it yeah so they're like what the fuck this guy's just like and some of them do have like hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Yeah. I mean, I would say primarily I consume your stream through the Hasan Clips Industrial Complex.

Until ReactGate, I was not really aware of how much involvement you had with all those subchannels. And I didn't realize it was none with like a ton of them. Yeah. I don't touch them at all. I'm like, you know, go off if you want to make money, make some money off of it. Yeah. I'm not a firm IP defender at all. I'm like, you know, go off if you want to make money, make some money off of it. Yeah, I'm not a firm IP defender at all. I think it's bullshit.

But, you know, I mean, obviously there's reasonable. Yeah. There's bounds of reason. Like, I don't want to offend content creators. I'm a content creator. Yeah. People constantly forget that because they're like, oh, all he does is just let his chair watch YouTube videos. But, like, I don't want, want like i know the labor that goes into making

shit so i don't want to i don't want to like watch someone's video and just not really watch it and then have that creator be like well what the fuck um and i don't want to upload it and be like take away from their algo right um so what i try to do and what i've tried to do for the longest time now is like i always one pull additional data from other places like i'll pull another complimentary video or something like that you know tiktoks instagram posts or or data in general if i'm talking about something um and and try to make it transformative obviously it's live so there's going to be dead air regardless yeah and then like the way i do it is like look if you're an editor if you want to upload my videos you can but just like cut the fucking dead air out like what are

you doing yeah make sure that you like at least edit it a little bit so that you're not directly just uh doing like a vod rip right because there need there need to be guidelines for you know even if it's an unaffiliated channel just for the betterment of the i guess it's just like the um it's good manners i think yeah exactly yeah and the practice has to be established by creators as much as much people will chirp and tell you what to do ultimately like the best practice is established by the person that's not doing it yeah like winning a debate and then everyone goes like oh shit i guess i will be different yeah it just has to have started

naturally and considerably like for example the thing is like even if i have a content creator who i'll watch i'll watch like a period of the video and i know exactly what time codes i'm watching and then i'll stop watching and it's like a third of the video i promote it and uh my my commentary on it is like much larger than the than the video itself um sometimes someone will upload it and if i feel like uh you know i'll talk to content creators about it if I if I feel like that uploader has like basically kicked them off the algorithm like this has happened before I'll you know I'll either get Austin ox to talk to the channel and like take it down or I'll tell that if they're not complying then you know you can dmca it clap them yeah it's it's one of those things it's just like a hard because at the end of the day you're working with like fair use that

by definition doesn't have like a uh a hard line in the sand like that's always like decided in the courts in terms of like what is transformative it's always going to be tough but i think as long as um courts that will always be in favor of you know a corporate party it's not yeah and i'm the corporate party situation baby the wealthiest player in the game come at me little youtube channels no no yeah he's mad with power the coke brothers love me watching jubilee baby yeah that's the funniest part because like people get mad at that shit. I'm like, do you guys even know this is their whole brand? It revolves around streamers reacting to their content.

Yeah. It's a whole ecosystem. Yeah. They're like, hey, Cody Ko, come in. Cut does it too. Yeah. They reached out to me many times. They know how their bread is buttered.

Right. Right. So that's the other side and not everybody wants to play that game and obviously you respect it when someone says exactly you know 100 like what is this cgp gray i think oh yeah love we got clapped by him like a bunch of times i mean i i've never really watched his videos regardless but he hates it like he's just like yeah fucking watch my videos i will kill you yeah and i love cgp gray as a creator i like have watched their videos for like years and years and finding out that like it like hurt me a little bit like

my paris it hurt my little parasocial heart but i also it's like respect yeah i heard like tom nichols doesn't like it or not is it tom nichols uh who's the guy the british guy yeah the british science guy or british science guy not british science guy is uh uh tom scott oh okay tom nichols is is dope yeah yeah he's like i've talked to him like video essay yeah yeah no he's great i've talked to him about the stuff as well but that's why his name was in my mind yeah uh no i was talking about tom scott yeah i love tom scott i get it he's done like a whole it's ironic because like he's done a whole ip video that i reacted to on stream oh yeah people were like oh he's not gonna like this but it was like you know i never uploaded it but it was

definitely transformative like we right right it was a spirited discussion yeah look ultimately with stuff like this the answer is vibes based if you as a creator are made uncomfortable by it i don't need you they shouldn't have to present some kind of like elaborate case right it's just okay then i don't know why or why not yeah fine even if cut out of nowhere all of a sudden i'd go like this boutique content you're ruining it yeah fine but that's not the burden of a creator that does think they're doing something transformative. That's valid. So.

Yeah. Until somebody calls it out. Don't. I don't. Like projecting on behalf of the audience is so annoying to me. Just being like, I feel like the creator would feel this way. Half the time. Half the time is dudes that nobody's reacting to this chirping. which is like don't worry man i'm not watching your stuff

i promise like yeah but um he'll be watching my truck simulator video in no time yeah it's just like it's just you know uh but i mean they there is truth to it where it's like it is annoying you know what i mean i don't feel that way but I know others do not feel the same way. Like you can do whatever the fuck you want with my videos. I don't give a shit. Right. And then like, yeah, I think it just comes down to the creator and what they want. And obviously like there is fair use.

So it's like if you're making a video critical of someone and you have to use their video source material, you may have a disagreement with that creator, but that's a different concept. Usually this is in the context of entertainment, but like commentary, almost like a commentary track on top of some existing video. The way I see it is like, the product that I want people to see at the end of the day on youtube in a

vod format like a video on demand format is no different than um a commentary video that you would make right right like that's and i make enough commentary on a video that you absolutely could do that yeah which is why i'm like which is why i'm always like listen these guys like you gotta you gotta edit it a little bit like listen these guys like you gotta you gotta edit it a little bit more come on right like you're just straight up trying to be first to market and then you take their thumbnails of the people that like i'm reacting to and it's the same yeah like you take them out and put another face in and it's just like you just did the mr beast chrome extension yeah i think in most cases i know that it's valid because with a lot of

creators, I may have watched the video they're reacting to and then I will watch the react because it is very, Oh yeah. Oh, as a consumer, I am like brain broken in the way of, I think I've talked about this before where I love watching a movie and

then watching a ton of like videos about the movie or watching a video and watching a ton of begrudgingly watched movies so i can be an elitist about whatever the reviews say or i get recommended like people like i'll watch a video myself and then like you or like somebody else will react to it i'll be like i could watch it again i don't know it's like at the end of the day i'm like it's like uh i'm listening while i'm like you know on a run or something like that so people see it as like a like a one-to-one where uh they they say that it's like you're you're completely working to like push the other original form of content off market and i think that in certain instances it can be like

that especially if your input is just like oh wow that's crazy yeah or or not anything at all um but if you're like genuinely providing commentary like or i guess in my case duking it out with chatters who have a very different opinion on the subject matter that i'm looking at yeah i mean the reason why i'm late today is literally because i was watching this lady get uh arrested by the cops for like doing a prank phone call and that part of the reason why i got late is because well one my haircut took longer than i expected but i was meaning to like do coverage on it and heated arguments ensued because people were like defending the cops and i was like you're fucking stupid right you know and that's how you arrive at the pausing obby memes oh yeah

runtime is like three times the original videos pick a fucking lane i know you know what i mean like either i'm pausing too much or doing not i know enough most people don't watch they just see the memes and they run with it so they'll like come into the chat and be like where's the cherry x why haven't we gotten the cherry exit i'm like do you not understand what you're saying like you came in here you didn't get the expectation so now you're just like instead of reconfiguring your perspective on on uh like maybe you were duped into believing something you're just like no i want to see that but anyway let's not talk about fucking react i'm sorry this is boring oh no yeah what uh i've actually got a few debate topics Let's do it

DeSantis is cute Don't agree with that No riz I do think genuinely I think the only chance DeSantis has At having any kind of cultural impact Not winning but some kind of cultural impact Would be to become really uwu And just become like a little sweetie

Do you remember I did everything right and they indicted me Worked for Trump because he said it in such a cute little voice yeah i mean if because he is trump is very he's too ahead he has to pivot now the sound has just been like i don't i'm sorry disney oh disney i'm so sorry he did kind of do that he was like on cnbc he was like come on just drop the court case i'm done you know let bygones be bygones i was like, come on, just drop the court case. I'm done. You know, let bygones be bygones. I was like, dude, you're so cringe. But if he'd gone, I'm EP. I don't want to do this anymore.

I'm EP. Come on. You changed your mind, maybe. This is a, I feel like you're giving too much free advice. Oh yeah. Out of the campaign. Yeah, cut that out. No free feet, no free advice for the Republican campaign.

Oh God. Ron DeSantis wins. Oh no. the campaign yeah cut that out no free feet no free advice for the republican campaign oh god ron de santis wins it could all be traced back to this moment and i don't get any money you first yeah yeah yeah you created your own worst enemy dude um yeah he doesn't make me leave beforehand yeah it was very good advice but now you're gone now i'm not cute anymore yeah he's he's got some great ideas uh do you guys talk about politics on this podcast uh if it's interesting yeah we dabble i feel like i have a no politics rule on mine that's why i'm asking oh really i don't i we try not to talk about any politics that's i think that's smart considering how much other content there is if you're doing politics yeah i think if there's nothing of value to say as far as what we specifically would think you know i think um advocating for things we agree with we'll talk about yeah or if there's something that we see like that's a public take that we

i mean we just watched the cop slide incident for example because it's very funny yes but then like if somebody would reply being like we're trivializing the police it's actually we're trivializing police brutality yeah it's like police are no no i mean not police doing brutal things yeah my slides it's underreported yeah like not police fatalities but when like scorpion does a fatality yeah so yeah but yeah we made a stop resisting joke on that and i saw like one person be like little soon don't you think soon to what soon to what i mean today i would imagine somewhere also the slide is okay too yeah in in america the the oh too soon does not work for mass shootings

and police brutality yeah because it's happening every day three times a fucking day too soon does not work for mass shootings and police brutality. Yeah. Because it's happening every day, three times a fucking day. Too soon, I just did that. Yeah. There are weird things people say to almost like diffuse the ability to have a conversation about it

or prevent the ability to have a conversation about it, which is, yeah, oh, too soon. You can't talk about that. I don't know. Yeah, then you can never talk about it. It's never going to stop. I think having a no politics rule makes sense especially for you because it just hours of the day yeah literally minutes alive i need to make it different like i already do leftovers with

ethan that's political yeah and like i see people complain that it's like oh i already heard us on stake on this and it's like well what do you want me to do i'm a human like there's only so many stories i could cover and i'm doing it for 10 hours every day um so that's why i was like i wanted to differentiate it yeah just do drama instead internal drama you could block them oh yeah yeah and for for now because elon's getting rid of blocking on twitter oh yeah what's the consensus is that that's actually not viable because of the app store i couldn't tell oh yeah yeah app store terms of service makes it impossible for android yeah um oh specifically for Android. Well, at least that's what...

Apple App Store, too. Oh, really? Yeah. But then Linda Iaccarino, the new CEO of X, who we hear from like once a month... Girl boss. ...was like, actually, we're going to make a new, better replacement for blocking. And I don't fully understand what that could possibly they say they're going to beef up the mute functionality to basically be the block

functionality oh it's i think at this point it's like um they're they're all just like dancing around elon musk's whims because on a whim like everyone's blocking advertisers everyone's black and blocking all my uh blue check mark uh fanboys so how do i solve this okay i'm deleting the block functionality yeah he doesn't even think about it he fucking tweets it out uh or x's it out whatever yeah i don't call it true socials it out yeah so he truths it out and and then everyone's like oh you can't do that dumbass like it's a violation of the term service you're gonna get deleted off the app store like he's just like i was kidding dude and then instead of doing that they're like oh we meant something different and then everybody that does deserve to be blocked will go brilliant move sir yeah thank you quite

the quite the chest yeah yeah what was it masterful gambit or whatever like he slams his dick into a car door masterful gambit um yeah wait that that just reminded me of the mark zuckerberg fight too where he just where it's like never gonna happen and he keeps making it seem like mark is running away from him it's so funny that he's saying that and i don't think even his fucking fanboys believe it yeah no whereas mark is like i'm doing this for real dude i am the i am the bjj man that's fun i don't have any hope post another shirtless photo and it's over you know what i mean elon musk shirtless looks horrific yeah literally yeah like a photo of it was a vulcan style bender he's just standing next to in that fucking photo and he looks incredible like he looks so good and then everyone was replying that there's a reason weight classes

exist yeah he would actually be able to run at him i don't exactly know i don't know no i don't i mean most people have never done any like uh any kind of martial arts or anything so they're just like talking out of their ass i think like the amount of cardio necessary for for combat sports is insane yeah like and it's not even transferable to like other sports yeah because it's not just cardio it's technique and also a tremendous amount of usage of muscle in a very particular way right and you get gassed out that's why like rounds don't go like that's why rounds are not the same uh in in mixed martial arts or in boxing yeah uh as any other sport yeah it almost doesn't make sense when you're like watching it or like if you watch boxing and people are like why does it look like they're moving in

slow motion and it's like it's so you're so gassed like it's crazy yeah i look like that can pay you well yeah dude freaking you're you're a boxer yeah dude i gotta fix my we talked about this already but i gotta fix my um my nose i can't breathe through my nose oh damn it was a big problem for training because my coach was like oh i thought after the fighters on the no no i just threw my out my life i was kind of hoping that that would actually i was hoping yeah i was like fingers crossed i i i had a uh asthma attack where i like couldn't breathe and so i didn't actually take any damage during the fight which is good but um like but i i do need to get a surgery i i just found out i have sleep apnea so that's no confirmed yeah thumbs up yeah that's

you you need a c-pap machine maybe uh my i need to i think i have an appointment next week with the actual doctor sleep doctor yeah the options are like a throat surgery or like a jaw surgery uh maybe fixing my deviated septum maybe c-p machine. There's like a few different extreme options that I'm like trying, I'm going to try to navigate. It's like mild and obstructive. So I think that has to do with like my position and then it just like stops my ability to breathe. So, oh, actually, okay. So last episode, we talked about this guy that we saw when we were at Airbnb and VidCon, like we turned on the TV, we're logging into somebody else's YouTube account

and recommended to us was this man trying on a Power Rangers cosplay that it had taken him five years to receive because of, I guess, backups during the pandemic and stuff. So he was like, I ordered this in 2017. It just arrived. I had no idea it was like i was even gonna get it and then he's really excited and he tries it on and slowly the like realization hits that like

he can't really see through the mask he can't really breathe through it it's kind of sad but he is so sweet and like yeah he's he's like keeping the energy up he's like no no but it looks incredible it's just like i can't he's like he's a picture perfect red ranger like i can't really see and we only described this in the video didn't show any of the um visuals and then on the bonus we watched it but also cut out the visuals because i didn't want anybody weird to like go to the guy and it's just fun to have our guests like react to it and the guy fucking found the episode he was like hey thanks for talking about it guys he was such a sweetie about it so since he's out of himself i want to shout out the world of ha um he's the man he is the red ranger um and you know respect i feel like uh you maybe not even really requesting it you've got a very impressionable audience just through the size and

influence that you have not like your's super impressionable as people, but you just have a large audience. That you absolutely put their attention. Yeah, I mean no matter what happens, there's always gonna be some people there, yeah. Do you feel weird about, like the Sad Boys demographic has never really been, they haven't harassed anyone,

like we've not had experience of that. But I just, that thing was, no. Get your money up, dude, what up yeah the fear my fear is always get your licks in it's yeah you gotta you gotta go you gotta go harass someone first yeah that tyler the creator concert i don't know i i want to i like people finding there's like a handful of creators with like uh like 900 followers or something that i love i think they're so with super niche interests and like weird hobbies but it's not laughing at it is absolutely laughing and like they're so passionate and joyful and that's pretty cute right you're laughing with them but it would be hard to communicate that to an audience i think if i

sent a hundred people yeah 60 would be mean in a way they don't even know they're doing it yeah i don't i usually don't do that for that reason i i like there are definitely people where i i have a don't tap the glass policy where i tell them like listen you can look at something you just can't try to interact with it please don't ruin it and no matter how much i stress that people still end up going there like when we were watching masterchef back in the day like there was some real freaks like they would get like there was this dude named cutter and he was like this right wing guy oh yeah yeah and like some uh some of the uh haters of mine who are like obsessively watching would go there and be like this guy's talking up shit about you like

they would write it in his like instagram post like go check out this guy's like profile he's talking shit about you you should like sue him it's like why are you doing yeah i that sucks i am that's why i have to be extra careful yeah i don't just have like fans who will react right oh yeah who will even portray themselves as fans to, to go in there and like do some fucked up shit. Yeah. We, I mean,

you probably got them as well for a little while after finishing black, white, we were getting, um, Rose, the daughter, we'll get Rose's Instagram sent like, and she has this podcast.

Yeah. And it's like, we don't want to. Yeah. Also the show is 500 years old. Yeah. There are too many people who are like, yeah, it's like we don't want to yeah also this show is 500 years old yeah there are people who are like yeah it's the best we still haven't watched the last episode it's because we were going to wait till jordan was back in the states to do it so i've got it on dvd on the bookshelf i love that i showed it to i showed it the jpeg mafia oh yeah really i love this so much like i

watched it it was like a big meme you guys know, like, all the details, right? Oh, yeah. You know that, like, the makeup artist got an Emmy for the blackface. Yeah, and rightly so. And then also went on to work for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. There's also the... Yeah, Falcon's actually white. Do you know about...

They used the makeup. Do you know about the Oprah episode that's been scrapped from history? Oh, wait, is it the N-word one? No, it's called... Do you know if they used the makeup? Do you know about the Oprah episode that's been scrubbed from history? Oh, wait. Is it the N-word one? No, it's called. We had to look this up before. I can't remember the title of the episode.

It was a stupid pun about changing race. Oh, changing races is the name of the article. Oh, I think I might have seen it. Yeah, it's like there's an archived article from Oprah's website of an episode that Oprah's people were like, you got to, this has to go away. But she had on the cast of Black White and there's a GIF that is still archived where they did a, what will your race look like in different, like you put Oprah's face in it and then it's Oprah flipping through a bunch of different of different races yeah it's wild that's awesome i love i always would love that interpretation of you defeat racism by doing the funniest possible version of racism the fucking i mean black white

also we talked about it i think when we we reacted to it white face technology is so underdeveloped yeah technology has been cooking since the 20s it's like yeah dave chappelle like like it hasn't changed since the chappelle yeah that's a very good point yeah it like everyone looks like they put powder on yeah like a lot of powder on their faces um which which ties into me getting canceled on twitter yes right i i texted him i woke up at 4 a.m because i had to take kaya out to pee and of course because i'm brain broken i immediately went on twitter and i'm getting all these notifications and i looked at one of them i clicked on it and my response to you had like 12 000 likes and i was like uh oh yeah i was right because, you know what's funny is like,

so I deleted it because of- Oh, you did? Just because it had reached a point where I wasn't gaining anything from it. This happened to one of our- Fatigue, maybe. This happened to one of our Jordan Peterson shorts where we were very clearly making fun of Jordan Peterson and then it only got recommended to Jordan Peterson fans.

And so we saw no upside from it, no subscriptions, no listens, just a bunch of hate interactions. Did we delete them on all platforms or just the TikTok? Honestly, I think just YouTube shorts, because that was the white supremacy accelerator or whatever. And no, so the tweet had a good ratio you know what i mean pull it up right no i don't want to do that it was when i woke up to see it at 4 a.m and it's 77 000 likes yeah it had like 80 some thousand likes my response to it my response to it was when it was at like a thousand

likes i replied and said this tweet 100 is going to leave the intended audience and i i knew that but the uh but the i was surprised by how like uncharitable people are about like i just hit the the side of the internet and and i want to sort of say that it's valid to have this opinion but like some black people view any depiction of blackface as like irredeemable regardless of context and the i was tweeting a joke about so for context the there was a tweet yesterday about and this is the the other thing, this is going to now live on without the context of this moment, which is whatever. But there was this Judy Garland tweet where someone discovered that Judy Garland, when she was 17 years old, was in this movie where she was in blackface and doing this sort of racist caricature. And being horrifically abused throughout the process

right which i think led to her uh death right i i don't i don't know 100 actually i do know um a lot of amphetamine abuse a lot of drug abuse was happening for sure that was even happening during wizard of oz and doing all this stuff yes she's a child star and the only time that was even worse to be a child star than now yeah Yeah. And so someone was tweeting like this cancellation tweet for Judy Garland where they're like, essentially they're like, this is thanks to Gen Z for showing me this. Yikes, honey. Not a good look. And it was like, it was like, it was like her doing blackface is like, I think 13.

Yeah. Well, 13. 13 i think yeah i'm not writing and directing the production yeah yeah i put that in the same category as like the person who was like thinking that little tay was uh assassinated or something yeah and then was like i just found out that little tay might be murdered and then i found out she said the n-word so now i don't care anymore yeah and i was like what do you mean yeah what do you mean nine yeah so so right it's take poisoning like i have to say something until i guess i have to and people will turn around and be like oh yeah so it's okay to say the n-word at nine it's like no she's nine which means someone was making her say it get mad at the right person not the nine-year-old you fucking freak i mean shit man kinda like more than as an adult it's like it's like so mind-boggling

that we have this like incredibly like black or white for lack of a better word yeah uh binary approach to like a racist act has occurred let's not investigate it further to understand like if the if the perpetrator was fucking not like yeah why why are there any laws around additional protections for minors if we are not operating under the assumption that they don't know what the fuck they're doing right like it's the parents that are yeah it's like if the uh if a child was working at like an unethical role yeah like oh like they're working on a battery farm it's like wow yikes two-year-old child that they put in the it's really fucked up uh so at the racism factory which judy garland was working at yeah founded h1 yeah so so i uh sort of tweeted a parody of this tweet basically with the same structure of uh kin jong from community who a show you didn't make a show we should a show that i uh you didn't make community

what yeah one of my greatest regrets, actually. Dan Harmon called me up when I was 14 years old. And he said, do you want to... Yeah. I was like, I just don't think anyone cares about Community College. He called you up for that episode only. Yeah. And you were like, I'm 14 and I love Community College. And I'm in.

And I signed me up. So in the episode, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, it's one of the greatest episodes of community but one of the elements of it is uh kin jong's character comes in uh what's the word well well yeah is that how you say it it's like dro is like a night elf so yeah so he's a night elf and he says that he's a night elf yeah but uh his skin is painted like pitch black with white hair, which is like if you look at fan art or if you look at like artist depictions of this character, it's like that's what it is. Yeah. And sometimes they are just pitch black. Yeah. And so and so the show is having him do this.

And then there's a side joke about, you know, Shirley's character says, are we just going to ignore that hate crime? And then he immediately like gets killed and leaves the joke is how not okay what he's doing yes and so there are and so to me i was saying uh oh also the fact that they you know the show is criticizing um blackface in or criticizing the like the use of it was saying blackface is bad and uh a brave take yeah and so uh and so the fact that that episode got taken off of streaming services i was a little bit you know critiquing that as also a uh surface level take of this thing um and that was the joke to take a surface level uh thing obviously jokes are not allowed on twitter comedy is not legal now use this like weird parody you said it was yeah parody

that's when it's real and you mean it um but okay yeah and you want it you want it to happen to everyone else that's right yeah yeah so what i will say though is that there are some people who believe that like there is no way um to even to use blackface in a way that can even even criticizing blackface's use in media by using blackface is is bad like some people believe this and i don't want to debate the merits of that but i found myself sort of in a there's was a small, there was a small quote tweet. It didn't have a lot of likes, but it was like enough people where I'm sure you get this all the time and you're numb to it where people were just like, oh yeah, the, the white

half really jumped out on this one. Oh yeah. I saw that one. Glad I finally, glad I finally, um, or never watched this show or, oh, he doesn't have any black friends. So I don't, I stopped watching his videos and I was like this is so I like looked at people's profiles and I was like these are teenagers yeah no they're like so young yeah when you see like a like a it's not an anime I don't know what it is it's like a different kind of yeah like when you see that immediately

I'm like this is either like a racist pedophile right or well usually it'll be like a like a person of color yeah but it's a character so then I immediately know oh this is like a kid like this is like like a 14 year old yeah you know zoomer 14 year old teenager who's like really invested in like whatever the show is right yeah and so and so that type of thing is so interesting to me because you're it's almost like they don't have object permanence like if i haven't if they haven't seen me they've probably only seen me hang out with content creators and other people who have an audience and not like you know uh actual like like and i do collaborate with black creators we've had like it's just like a not true thing right but it's so much less fun to talk about.

But it's so much less fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, but it kind of hits on these things of like the sort of, you know, we did an episode many years ago about like, are you black enough? Where it's like, there's so much of like wanting to take someone's blackness away where I like did not, but it's like, I found out I had a white father from a DNA test, you know, when I was 28 or something like I didn't,

I don't, didn't know white people growing up. And so for someone to like project this, a experience on me that I didn't go through and so confidently like spout it out is a, it's a, you, it's such a internet thing yeah and i was like

i just don't want uh any part of this i'm no longer gaining anything from this i got i got a lot of flack for even responding really i didn't even say anything like no yeah about i just said it's definitely gonna go out of the target audience like it's leak is leaving the intended audience immediately yeah and people are like of course hasan is in here advocating for white supremacy right yeah i was like hell yeah that's my shit i love that thank you so nick came on we do tea time with nick and he just shows me tiktok tea because he's a tiktok tea guy everybody knows this he's never done anything before that and he's never done anything after tiktok tea guy he's a cyber bully yeah anybody you don't like is actually his best friend yeah so he came on the stream and he showed me uh these girls

they were uh trying to be j-pop uh idols oh uh biddy chan was the number one i think i've seen this the number one lady um he's like kids they're not kids they're like they're like young adults they're like in their 20s but they're still young and they want to be j-pop idols and it's like cute but it's also very cringe at the same time but uh a big part of what i talk about always is like how insane and unhinged people get on tiktok and on twitter and like immediately dox people which these people had been doxed no right so like on the one hand we were just like joking and making jokes about how cringe they were but also on the other hand we were like how insane like please do not like i can't believe people doxx these people it's crazy

so what ended up happening is you know i ended the stream and then the next day I found out that, like, people were canceling me and Nick saying that we were responsible for the demise of this J-pop idol group. And I thought it was very strange, especially because these tweets were getting, like, hundreds of thousands of likes. Like, you know, people were like, fuck these, you know these you know guys like these people are just like having fun oh you think everything is cultural appropriation i never even said that you know what i mean um and and that's when i realized like i mean i've known this already but a good defense mechanism for when you get like hate online a good way to realize that it's not real and it doesn't really translate to anything in the real world is can you describe it to like a bus driver you know what i mean like right can you describe it like can i describe this to my my brother who is you know a dude who builds satellites

yeah yeah anybody that's brain is not like radiated yeah like he he's just like he doesn't he has a private instagram account right like 30 followers right can i describe the situation in like under a minute yeah yeah you know no if the answer is fuck no yeah then it's like insanely idiotic and it's just gonna go away it's not a real thing right so real in that moment yeah like these people hate me yeah and then you realize like oh no they're like genuinely mentally ill people out there and you can't really tell because they're online and they have an anonymous account and other genuinely mentally ill people are clicking like it's that easy it doesn't it doesn't take any effort or time yeah so you can't think too

much about it they think so passively that they also retain really passively. So if you ask in a month, like, do you remember that Hassan and Nick stuff? They'll just go like, oh, they killed someone. Something happened. I don't remember, but I do care. No, one of my friends had one of these things happen where they got caught up in some super viral tweet thing where everyone was saying that they were racist and the leader of this stan group that caused this uh a year later dm'd them and was like hey i'm sorry for all that trouble i caused i actually have become a really big fan and he was like you ruined my like oh like my mental health was in shambles because he was he was pretty young

at the time yeah and it was like his first uh entanglement with that sort of situation and it made me feel like i i he obviously felt really shitty about it but i felt shitty too because i remember talking to him through that yeah and it's he's talked about it now in retrospect and like he's compartmentalized it kind of now because he's older and seen more of it yeah but like i think if you're socialized on discord you just don't understand the stakes of like humanity you understand what it's like to say something not with hyperbole to just be like a human being yeah and so when somebody seems upset i don't know why it took a year for this person to just be like oh wait sorry that was fucked that's actually kind of cool that that person literally tried to make amends in a weird way yeah they bought they bought merch yeah that

usually never happens yeah that it was it was wild can i be kind of fucking cynical about that oh they're no longer getting attention from that they are gonna i mean they're literally i mean we don't know their name but we are talking about them now on a podcast as like second when I fucking rush Limbaugh I was like doing his redemption tour order and it's like he was I don't know I'm rushing by the going back oh and all the like it was like wow he's a lib now he's like connecting with all it's because he doesn't get anything else so now I'll yeah that's attention attention certainly is a big factor in it because people

want to feel we're hyper alienated we're hyper isolated the society is super atomized and you want to feel a sense of belonging and when you engage in this kind of behavior where you're like yeah fuck that guy i hate that guy you're so right and you're like, yeah, fuck that guy. I hate that guy. You're so right. And you click like on it or you try to fire off your own viral quote retweet. Yeah. Like there's a there's a there's a shared purpose there. And you you get some some semblance of like social cohesion.

Right. And it's something that we desperately seek out. It's like we're social animals. Right. So it's it's something that we desperately seek out. It's like we're social animals, right? So it's really unfortunate, but I just kind of look at it now because I've been quote unquote canceled. Fucking bullshit. It's not real. So many times.

A lot more than all of your favorite content creators out there that you think have been canceled way more times. I promise you. You did everything right and they canceled you. What? Yeah, I did everything right and they canceled you what yeah i did everything right and they canceled me um this it doesn't mean anything at the end of the day the best example of this uh that i can recently think of is the song planet of the base which i did you see uh they performed the song at the Jonas Brothers concert and everyone was confused? Yeah. The moment this like hyper online thing was now in a real place with real people, you're forced to look. And it's the perfect demographic.

Yeah, you would think. The Jonas Brothers concert is literally like 30-year-olds that, you know, love the Jonas Brothers from when they were popping. Yeah, I i mean and hey they also continue to pop like they've been having you know since the uh return together they popped they had a few records no no no but they went uh they had uh i was defending it quite hold on okay all right let's get into it jones is a scholar of this the year is i don't know 2000 mid-2000s i'm listening to radio disney i've got uh i've got good night and goodbye goodbye blasting on my ipad chris kyle's alive my ipod it's a great time um what was that song that they had it was like a top 10

sucker didn't that wasn't that top 10 on billboard i I don't it's on my ear. Oh, no, no, no, sorry. Sorry This is I wasn't in America. No, no, no, no No, this is the reasons this is what I'm tight It's like very recent like the Jonas Brothers like got back together and they've had like top 10 hit. Oh, it's the only like Yeah But anyway, the whole point is Yeah, when was when was this what year was sucker oh this one 2019 yeah yeah no no so they like came back yeah and they number one and they had some big

yeah number one on the hot 100 like okay so i'm just saying they they've had modern hits have you seen the i mean just don't know what you were saying before the clip of uh ninja uh flossing in like 2020 it's like this is this was huge and no one has any idea what he's doing everyone's like the ball's going down they're like that okay man shit yeah it's like it's um on the internet like really niche communities can have massive followings and that truly warps our sense of like how actually popular they are in mainstream um an example i used when i was talking about this exact same thing the other day was the one that you just uh talked about the jonas brothers concert where like when something that

is like hyper specific but like really popular seemingly online on twitter or elsewhere yeah uh in the real world could be totally just like confusing to the average person because they're like what the is this yeah um and yeah I mean another example is like xqc is super popular right online and super popular on Twitch one of the most popular to streamers but like if we're walking down the street the likelihood that someone is going to recognize me over him if we're walking down the street the likelihood that someone is going to recognize me over him is infinitely higher because of the nature of the content that i create and and like the accessibility of it uh in comparison to what he does yeah um i obviously

it's like different demographics as well too but um i guess the point i'm trying to make is you know once you start getting death threats regularly, you're going to you're not going to worry about it anymore. Right. Right. Yeah. I think I muted a lot of words like right when I first got in the game. And I haven't seen a lot of like hate crimey stuff, but I think it's because I muted those words because I did used to get it a fair amount. I hope Elon destroys the mute button next yeah he's like get rid of muted words you have to see the bum fights everything yeah these videos go hard my whole twitter feed is like snuff films yeah it's like crazy hey this great like watch a guy die man like crazy clips or whatever yeah they're like you have to see live leak shit yeah

his idea of running a social media platform is awesome he's the weirdest man dude and then like even if you were some kind of psycho that wanted to see those videos the replies and that's that's the worst thing is replies now it's ruined replies i left more good replies to interesting tweets than the tweets themselves and now my thumb starts cring. I'm spinning past a bunch of people that are like the intellectual marble man. It is the dumbest people. Because like, who would have thought people who are stupid enough to pay dollars are not going to have the best takes to be boosted in your replies. You win the internet today, good sir.

It's so bad. This one made me LMAO. I read this in your voice uh yeah going through that and ads in sponsored tweets in in a reply thread it's just like destroyed that destroyed the app yeah um but i don't want to talk about that app anymore because it makes me sad i want to talk about one piece which is my new favorite thing hell yeah uh listen brother i uh i busted Yeah. Listen, brother, I busted out some of my old Shonen jumps. So I used to get these when I was a kid. And we have this, it's become a Sad Boys inside joke now.

But when I was a child and I didn't, I never actually read one piece in these because I was more of a Dragon Ball guy. I had a friend come over and he was looking at this logo. And I was like, oh oh yeah, NEPIC. It's great. Because as a child, I didn't notice that. Oh my God. Yeah. But I've been, I've been.

You've been a NEPIC fan now. You've been vindicated. I've been vindicated because, you know, at the end of, at the end of like One Piece manga, there's like a Q&A with Oda. That question has come up. Oh, really? Someone was like, something, something nepic. And he's like, it's funny how little boys and girls don't recognize the letters. And I was like, yeah, that was me.

This is on you, old man. Yeah, I guess we, I don't know if we talked about it really last um last episode but we went to uh curtis and jenna's wedding reception they're they're one in canada and on the like six hours of flights there and back i speed read through one piece so i'm now at like chapter 130 oh wow you passed me you wait what are you what are you at now like one or so i'm now at like chapter 130 oh wow you passed me wait what are you what are you at now like one or something i'm at the i'm before alabasta like right after um oh never mind yeah nowhere near no i'm way past yeah there's like a thousand some odd chapters yeah i was 10 and yeah i thought it was like okay OK, because I recently got the mangas.

I sped through. I burned through the anime all the way to a time skip, which I'm sure you've heard. I've heard about a time. Yeah. So and then the pacing gets really awful after that for the next arc, which is when I was like, I have to buy the mangas. I can't do this anymore. I've talked about it quite a bit one piece fandom will immediately recognize that but um it's really good so you're you're yeah alabasta i'm a i'm um well they're so they just left um

i just don't want to spoil anything that's what i'm trying to tailor it whiskey peak is just finishing um they're leaving uh with like princess vivi or whatever to like get to alabasta so that's where i'm at i've been trying to jump back because it's been like a decade since i read any one piece oh yeah i'm having the same issue i'm having with berserk where i've read like hours and hours of berserk picking it up again now i'll jump into a random chapter in the future and be like oh this is nothing i know jump back again yeah i read five chapters no i have oh that's i hate that yeah that that was like my big adhd experience reading as a child where i would like reread things over and over again because i didn't know like you you're an adhd haver right when did you get the real victims society nobody talks about

our plight everything we've been through yeah yeah um when did you like learn that you had it though when i came to america 2009 okay okay yeah because i i uh i found out like uh a couple years ago and it like sort of made my whole life make sense but what was that what was that like for you but how old oh that's for college right yeah so you weren't yeah i mean i was i was 18 i don't know i just i have a really weird approach to adhd where i just feel like it's just a thing you know what i mean i don't think that's weird um pretty well people get really touchy about it where they're like i i feel like people like adhd twitter at least or adhd havers are a little bit sensitive about the way it's portrayed like it's it's i don't think it's as debilitating in general

i mean depending on the severity of course i don't one of these is debilitating is like you know not having like not being able to see for example yeah yeah i don't think yeah you never want to play that comparison game but uh but it's just like like it's it's um uh i've figured out ways to to develop healthy habits right and like build a really regimented very rigid work structure yeah that i have to follow to a t by the way yeah or else like everything around me falls apart certainly but um i figured out methods of dealing with it i think that bothers i think when people feel underrepresented about anything they are more fervent about who their advocates are and like who their avatars are. So if you don't do it right,

like not a lot of podcasters of color, if we're black wrong, we're in deep shit. And like ADHD, especially, I've got a lot of feedback. I've talked very publicly about like what my medication is and how it bounces out and stuff like that.

My meds help a lot, but I can actively like my chosen quality of life. The things I do have control over are a huge part of it. And people don't like that. They do not want to hear that. Instead, they want to kind of give the responsibility only to their medical care, which don't.

And then other people will be like, no, it's only working harder and only having willpower and sleeping well. Yeah,'s not that i i think it's a bit of both it can be a composite yeah that's same with everything yeah you have to eat well to get stronger but you also need to work out to get yeah the big one for me i talk about this a lot is like rejection sensitive dysphoria are you familiar with this what is that okay i i want to describe this to you and see if it's like something that you've experienced so So I like throughout my life will sometimes feel like this intense feeling of rejection where like I'm being like maybe it's and poor or on twitch chat when like i'm uh fiddling with the audio settings and the audio doesn't work and then everybody's complaining at

me and then i feel like everyone in tandem is mad at me and then it can like make my brain go into this like sulky like shut off mode uh or like a really defensive like mode where I like want to, but whatever it is, it's like this feeling of intense rejection for some people, it manifests in like really bad mood for me, that's more it. For other people, it can manifest as physical pain. But it, not everyone with ADHD has it. It's just like, there's a, it's like a comorbidity or whatever it's like just a thing that uh exists with it but that was something where i got sent a um a paper about it from a doctor and i was like oh this is like this is like why i would be kind of quiet uh in high school when my friends would make fun of me past my threshold you know what i mean like i'd be like oh okay everyone really does hate me now um but yeah there's i just thought that that was i don't know normal i i feel i feel that way too but i don't know i think it's a scope ship it's

a scope thing with mental health where right where like people look into potentially having depression and then they go like no but everyone's sad it doesn't matter it's the same thing you know it's it gets just more severe i think yeah um do you think that has an impact on streaming at all i mean you got a lot of chirping voices um yes and no i feel like uh i feel like my adhd probably helps a lot in many respects because like i can move from subject to subject matter with ease without even you know thinking about it at all and ultimately i feel like that is probably good in a weird way for people to like constantly stay on and like constantly be like what's he gonna do next like right what is he gonna cover next like what is

what are we gonna talk about next so having subway surf is playing at the bottom pretty much like it's just like i think there is uh definitely that element to it but i've never i mean i don't know i've never like really explored the depths of that at all partially because i guess like i'm a bit of a boomer in that sense where i feel like i don't want to hyper medicalize everything like every facet of existence because i think that um it's not necessarily like dampening it or or uh refusing to to reckon with it or acknowledge it necessarily but like um i feel like uh working to overcome it without being super hard on yourself uh has been a healthy coping mechanism for me in in you know living my life without thinking about it too much i think that's i do think that's really healthy.

I think like not being hard on yourself is like a big, a big key. And yeah. It's just the way I, I mean, my, my shit is the, the worst stuff is just like, I'm in the pocket when I'm doing this. The way I describe it is like, I get a sense of euphoria and calmness from streaming where no matter what is going on no matter how chaotic my life is when i press the start streaming button everything just like everything around me stops and i'm laser

focused you know i'm hyper focused on like trying to entertain 30 000 people for 10 hours yeah of the day and that gives me one a sense of purpose but also it it makes me very even if i'm like having a tough time on stream or if i'm angry or whatever it creates um a quiet in the world around me same with like being on a podcast yeah yeah but social settings for example unless i'm like goal oriented in some way i have a really hard time uh staying on track i have a really hard time staying on track i have a really hard time paying attention people like i do a lot of stuff that people consider rude and i i don't mean to be yeah and i that is probably the worst aspect of it for me is like in social settings everyone always is like

i'm already like an intimidating looking person so um i think i probably come across very rude and abrasive to a lot of people at first i or one of those like subtly i don't think hasan likes me yeah that was my that was my take, I think, when we first met. It's not like that at all. No, but I think because we have mutual friends, I think I was able to like say like, I kind of got this weird vibe, but then maybe that's just how they are.

And then they were like, yeah, don't worry about it. That's what everyone says. Everyone's always like, no, he's a sweetheart. But like at first you're going to, that's what my friends always, friends will always qualify my my first interactions with everyone else they'll be like no no don't worry he's not he's not like this he's just you know he's actually a really nice guy he just it will at first come across like he's uh rude no but which is not good i think i don't remember when we met but i think i did have like a little

faith in it just because they how many friends can we share before I just kind of assumed that it would be fine, right? Yeah. I mean, I hate one friend that all my friends have. He's like weirdly mean or something. But I really relate to the, if I don't have a goal. Oh, yeah. Like, I feel like in social situations,

I'm like scrambling to find the recipe, the program, the flow chart of the social interaction if I don't already have it. What's the utility of this? Yeah, because my favorite thing to do is host because then I always have something to be doing. You know what I mean? I can just bounce from person to person. Or if I bring my dog to something, I always have something to tend to where know what i mean i can just bounce from person to person uh or if i bring my dog to something i always have something to tend to where i'm like oh yeah this isn't weird i'm just like making sure my dog is cool i'm not like anti-social i think somebody maybe it was like a q a or something somebody messaged me recently and they were oh no it was

the fucking photoshoot we were at yesterday oh yeah one of the questions on it was uh we did like a little 23 questions wander around and uh one of the questions they asked was like why do you and jarvis start the podcast what's the context i'm like i think we just wanted a reason to hang out and that's real the it was always after work when we were still working at patreon and there's a fatigue especially now in retrospect with the like scatteredness of unmedicated tone so i would get home and it'd be so burned be so fried you'd come over we'd sit down mics on what seven years ago or something yeah and it's just fine now for some reason and i still can't really articulate why

it's like a mix of adrenaline and also like you said like streamlining everything around i think we like we like being on camera we like entertaining especially like i don't know about you but like collaborating for me is a different experience than doing something um solo like streaming because there's like a feedback loop with chat and stuff uh it it kind of feels a little bit like collaborating but when i'm um doing my normal job if i'm like scripting or something i need like uh someone holding my hand like our producer anastasia will just sit on zoom with me and like and like not even say anything but like while i'm like writing you know just so that i have somebody there or like going

to a coffee shop with somebody or even going to a coffee shop in general was better for me like when i used to live in san francisco and I could just like walk down the street because my brain that always wants to, I have like FOMO brain where I'm like, oh, am I missing out on some sort of experience I should be having? If I'm at a coffee shop and everybody's working, I'm like, right, this is like a normal thing to do.

Like this is, the social proof is around me. Do you get like an adrenaline drop right if you stop streaming what does it kind of carry he's got a bed um i i think when i stop streaming my brain is mush for like the first sure especially when i first started streaming like i would literally have like an hour refractory period where i was just like do not if you say something to me it's gonna bounce off my dome i'm not gonna hear it like uh nowadays not so much but but again every aspect of my life is regimented i'm done streaming uh i am either going to take my dog to the park and then play

basketball with friends or uh i am going to eat dinner walk my dog and then watch anime for the rest of the night yeah you know i mean i have like a show that i'm gonna watch right do something like that after you've accomplished the thing you're gonna do yeah so so for me it's like i i don't even have i don't have a single moment in the day that goes to waste that feels very much like, not it feels like a coping strategy, but it feels like a healthy thing to do for like, it feels like you found the healthy thing to do for the kind of brain that you have.

Yeah. Like I wake up every day at the same time, I eat pretty much the same meals, I tweak it around a little bit, but like I will eat the same exact meal at the same exact time for six months to eight months on end uh without getting bored of it and loving it like it's the first time i'm having it and uh and then one day i'll be like i'm disgusted by this food now i can't eat yeah

and then i switch it and then for another six months i eat the same thing and um like obviously i let loose uh every now and then you know i have dinners and whatnot um but overall like literally every single day my my training uh my my reading and and also the podcast i'm listening to to like try to keep up to date with what's going on my my research time it's always the same every single day for a lot of people when they hear that they go that's insane how the fuck do you live like that that sounds awful i love it yeah because i've lived uh i've lived on this planet when i didn't do that and i did not like uh existing like that it was way too chaotic right this is also chaotic but i thrive in this chaos because it's like organized in a way that i want it to be each stage of the chaos ends i like that like my gcal is obsessive i just like

having things uh adjacent not having that little space where i'm like is this when i shower what do i do no i shower at this time yeah in that way i know that i've missed it or i will at least at some point do it we i mean that's one of the reasons i like doing the podcast so much versus like bb who's currently wrangling the dogs um they've quieted down they probably petered out she's been helping me out with a bunch of production stuff and i've been putting off recording an ad for two weeks it was due like the following day oh yeah i hate that is the worst part about it but recording with her on the phone done easy immediately my video still isn't finished that's that's really interesting

because it's like i i'm gonna i'm gonna think about that i might take advantage of that and like try to get help in that regard because there are a lot of things that i just like always put off and I will never do it I will never ever like like parking tickets it sounds so basic and it's just like it's literally going to take ten seconds yeah and I just will not do it and it just piles up for a year yeah I mean I remember putting off like when my insurance changed like this years ago i was a patreon uh i remember putting off a doctor's appointment for like six months that i really needed to like go check out and when i finally did it the call took 90 seconds oh yeah in that like juxtaposition felt insane to me but like it was so hard for my brain to get over that hump.

I am still, right now, I think about 40% of my brain has been taken up with this, what feels like the worst, biggest obligation. And part of it's the trauma associated with it. But I have a tiny, tiny five minutes, 10 minutes maximum task to do for my visa application. The current visa is amongst the most important things in my entire life right now because there's only x amount of time left every

day i wake up and i go wow this could be the last august 10th of my time in america you know it is front of mind all the time i wake up thinking about it go to sleep thinking about it have done for years at this point i have to update my resume for the application the rest of it's ready and it's devastating i have to write it i have to update it i have to like change a couple dates and no no i totally get it it's been seven weeks it sounds it sounds like such a simple thing and it really is a simple thing but i totally understand well it's simple as easy right like they're not quite the same and sometimes a hard thing is very easy because you can just focus on yeah yeah i i get it and but the worst part about it is it weighs on you yeah it being always in the back of your mind constantly i gotta get new i have to get

new parking passes it's been like a year and a half i'm still working on the old parking and i'm hoping that the fucking parking people know the car and won't ticket it right sometimes they do yeah they started targeting my car yeah recently and uh and my brother's always in my house so he's always taking my car out and putting it in the fucking uh you know taking it out of the driveway so now it's like i have to get it it's been a year and a half and it's just not that difficult of a task i just gotta make a phone call i gotta go there and like deal with it i've done it before but it's just i i just keep pushing it back and it's just like it's like a bag that i'm carrying with me everywhere I go. It sucks. Yeah. It sucks because it is so simple to like get rid of in theory.

Right. But then I do it. Right. The thing, the term for what me and Jordan were both describing is body doubling. And I couldn't fucking remember it. So I had to look it up. But body doubling,

it's like when you, and it's a coping, it's like ADHD coping strategy, which is just like having someone present, like while you're doing another thing. It is very like, I've always pursued really, really regimented self-care and like house care, especially keeping space tidy, clean, et cetera. I've always liked the idea of, wow, just finished my dish directly in the dishwasher, so-and-so. This is my first time living with someone. Me and Ethan, Ethan is online, live together. Up the way, because we moved back to LA at the same time. a dish directly in the dishwasher so and so this is my first time living with someone uh me and

ethan ethan is online live together up the way because we moved back to it at the same time i'd always do it now the fact that there's someone that will see it or not even judge me for it but it's going to inconvenience them or we're going to run out of dishes and ethan you know my son my little son he's not going to have anything to eat and now it's i don't know what it is there is like this unconscious uh maybe it's partially a kindness but also just a responsibility thing i guess i know how miserable i'll be with once there's a bowl on my desk there's gonna be 40 in like a few days oh yeah i have to stop i have to cut the hydra's head off like and yeah yeah no 100 it's very quick to like unwind uh and then and then have all of that fall apart

yeah i've had that happen like a number of just like simple things that change like if you move or you have like a trip or something that like throws everything out of whack getting back into the regiment i think it's like the hardest like that critical period it's like if i don't get it back immediately then we're in uncharted waters it's like the hardest like that critical period it's like if i don't get it back immediately then we're in uncharted waters it's bookended too right like right before we went to canada i was a fuck i was useless yeah i hate that's the other thing i i hate trips for that reason which is why when i do have a trip coming up i make sure that i have my streaming schedule set up yeah that yeah when i went to japan i streamed six to eight hours every single day when i was in japan i was impressed yeah that's like

it's yeah because you're you it sounds like uh you can't quit but it what it really is is you need the regiment yeah to keep yeah no it's everything else that we get but it's still but it still fucks up a lot of other stuff like i didn't work out you know what i mean i didn't follow on my diet and then and then all of that stuff uh falls apart and then i feel shitty about it and then it makes it even worse um it makes it even worse and harder to recover from but you know at the end of the day at least when i come back because i've had this routine for so long almost four years now yeah that immediately i'm like as soon as i touch down on u.s soil i go and i train with my trainers at 8 a.m the next morning and then i'm back in it i just like

you know the template you you don't spend a single day off. No, I can't. Yeah, we want to go. I love Japan. Yeah. It's the best. I've got to figure it out. I'm technically on a certain point where I shouldn't leave the country.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Once the application is processing or whatever. But I think what I need to explain to them is that I have a katana already and I don't know what to do with it. Right. And they'll say, you have to go defend your honor. Then I'll do this and they'll die yeah you'll slice the immigration yo wait you i mean i feel when we were coming through immigration back into the states i wish i had my fucking katana yeah that's what i was gonna say so um we were we were doing the immigration stuff at the Toronto airport

because you know US and Canada good relations I guess and I like went straight through because you know US guy they were like welcome back king you know high fives all around they're like please sir what up my boy

and then Jordan like starts talking to the guy and then I just come around and I'm like waiting and then what up my boy shooting me immediately jordan uh like starts talking to the guy and then i just come around and i'm like waiting and then one of the other attendants was like you can't loiter who you have to keep going and i was like okay i'm an american bitch yeah what do you mean one million subscribers yeah yeah hold on step away uh two million now actually uh just shooting you in the but then the guy was being a dick to you yeah hey man um what's this uh look who knows what happens on the patreon episode uh so i've always done some bullshit patreon.com slash sad boys maybe i'll say anything i could say anything at all but what i'll say on here, on the public, reviewable by any one episode, is that I respect the work they do.

I'd say, honestly. Keepin' America safe. Yeah, keepin' America safe. Not back the blue, but back whatever color they wear. Yeah, green sometimes. Yeah, of course. And hey man, not at all was your behavior clearly some Stanford prison experiment bullshit,

where the only way you can come is by putting down a guy that's better looking than you. I think what bothers me about it is not so much he was just being like really obstinate and there was you know there was uh on my current visa there's paperwork that and this has not been communicated to me you know legally is whatever where you are supposed to have it with you all the time now that some people may claim like well it was the rules you should have covered that now that's fine with me. Turned out the only thing he had to do was like literally five seconds on his computer. Like, Mark, didn't have the paperweight this time.

Make sure to bring it if it happens again. It's an issue. It was a yellow card, right? Like, it shouldn't really be an issue. Man, my heart rate. I don't get heated about shit. My fucking heart rate is through the ceiling. It's so weird.

But he, I think what I resent about it is that this, he was just being super obstinate and then just refusing to give me an answer on what was next. And I think he's very used to being able to intimidate people with the dog whistle of, wow, something might happen. Maybe you're stuck here. That I kept saying, like, I don't think he's used to

people being willing to like soft challenge him. I was like, okay, understood, my apologies. What should we do? And he wouldn't answer it. Like he would just be like, well, it's supposed to be with you. I'm like, you know what you're doing, you're delaying this. Cause the answer is, well, I don't have to do fucking shit.

I have to do something real quick on my laptop. Yeah, it's like I'm trying to teach you a lesson or something. And it was completely, I think what bothers me about it is that people that abuse even a soft position of power is just like i don't know it's everything we're saying about like people chirping online and so and so it's like they're so deliberately not being considerate yeah the thing they want is to feel good at the sacrifice of like like hey man like yeah sure block somebody i don't know the circumstances of all people's visas there's i'm sure there's extenuating circumstances but like

i'm going to cry like if you keep pushing on this my this most of my life has been spent thinking about this for the last decade just don't man what do you get out of this yeah a little feeling a little flex real quick teaching an undocumented immigrant what wait come to think of it brother okay hell yeah maybe a patriot i will say of course yeah move all the stuff i said yeah cut that out he was hot he's so sick yeah he's actually my king so epic teaching teaching you a lesson let's's just land this plane. Speaking of... Yeah, should I get my shit together? Speaking of immigration.

Do you have a printer? Papers, please. So this about... Thanks, Hasan, for joining us. Thanks for having me. This was great. Always a pleasure. Much nicer than the people

who hate you online would have you believe. And we will be continuing this podcast on patreon.com slash sad boys with sad boys nights. There's a Patreon only exclusive podcast where something exciting is going to happen. I'll say the thing I definitely didn't say on this. Yeah, we're going to mud wrestle. We're going to mud wrestle.

The dogs are going to be playing. Yeah. We might have we're gonna mud wrestle the dogs are gonna be playing yeah we might have a little cameo from the dogs that'll be fun uh you can see them compared in size now true which is surprising yeah uh but yeah we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're sorry boom unleash the dogs the dogs are here the squad hey buddy oh yeah no they have not stopped have they been going this whole time i gathered a bunch of episodes of blue bloods and came up with some fake names in a episode less two fakes you tricked me Outro Music