Sad Boyz - He Married An AI

Episode Date: March 31, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. And I'm Jordan. Hey. I got a haircut. Let's just address that up front. Let's just admit it. Let's just address that up front. My hair is different. Sorry. I went to a curly haircut place today, which this is my second time getting a curly cut. What's the name of it? How far is it from your house?

Yeah, it's the secret place that we go to get lunch. Can we kind of triangulate yeah there's one location in la that we do all of our things together and if we dox that then we're toast if i genuinely i was thinking about this a couple days ago if i didn't live with another person i would have no issue saying my address that's insane i would just i would just do it i'm going to go ahead and say, I hear you. You're valid as a person. Unhinged behavior. Terrible idea. Terrible idea.

I'm just curious. I want to see what happens. One time, someone was by my house, my old apartment, and it was like a girl and her dad getting out of a car going to the hardware store that i used to live near and i got it down yeah you're triangulating i got a dm it was like hey did i just see you walk into a place at this address it was basically like hey did i just see you walk into your house and i blocked them yeah i said get them out of here and I unsent their message I deleted their phone

yeah and I called Instagram and I took away their dad he's in jail now he moved in with me actually yeah that was the same that was the same dad that uh broke into your house or whatever oh my god yeah it's all connected it's that's such a wild story that I partially because you moved right after right just got archived you know what I mean yeah just a thing that that I partially because you moved right after. Right. Just got archived. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just a thing that happened.

I should be a bigger part of your life. I do bring it up from time to time that someone broke into my house and the people are always like, what? And I'm like, yeah. And you won't believe how worse it got from there. So we will be recording a bonus episode after the show at patreon.com slash sadboys. And our friend Sam is coming over because it's tax season and I'm going to help her with her taxes. But in exchange, she's going to tidy up. She's going to give me a little bit of a taper fade because they don't do that at the curly hair salon.

They provide Sam's number yeah they're like do you have a streamer friend who used to cut hair for a decade by the way that's right everyone scariest season of the year people think it's halloween i think it's bloody tax season things are coming up and you better get your uh your pieces out we don't know if federal was included in getting delayed till the end of the year yeah we're it's tax season and we're thinking about taxes. And we learned today that Tax Day got moved. And who is this for? Tax Day got moved for Californians, most of us, maybe.

I don't know. Yeah, it's race-based. Yeah. Specifically if you compete in the 100 meter or the 400 meter. What the hell is up? How doing i'm doing good i am what am i doing creator clash is in three weeks i'm still gonna do that considering it um ready for it to be over um just because i want to not go to the gym all the time i like it it's fun but it's like are you enjoying it? And I'm

like, can you enjoy something that you do like every day of the week? Like, I guess the answer is yes. Sorry. That's a bad question. But also I, maybe I'm just not a working out every day kind of person. I mean, it depends how you want to feel, right? Cause if you're working out every day, then you're getting stronger, leaner, and faster. Okay, no, it does sound good when you say it. But you're also feeling more tired. That's the main thing. And I think it's just the intensity of the workout.

Yeah. So I think if it was like going on a little run every day, that's one thing entirely. If you were in the Burbank mindset? Yeah, if I was an Eddie of myself myself then that would be a different thing this is more like you know it's more like a 90 minute like high intensity workout and then also sometimes i'm having to fight people in a ring um i think less getting hit is like a good idea overall especially when your job is like thinking and saying things quickly. True. On camera. So let's, you know, let's do a little test over the last nine months

that I've been training. Funny in a scale. Yeah, how funny have I gotten or have I lost it? Let us know in the comments down below. Maybe it's like Homer getting drunk and playing the piano. Like if you get punched in the head enough, you can be very funny. You joke, but there is a thing called

acquired savant syndrome. And it has very limited documented instances of it happening. But I saw like a documentary. Maybe it was like some show on Netflix that William Shatner maybe was. Star Trek original series. Yes. That was it. it yeah he was fighting a reptilian i feel like no it was a show called i mean i don't actually know if this is it but uh oh the unexplained huh um fact or fiction yeah the unexplained so there's a show on netflix and i do

not know if this fact came from this, called The Unexplained. And it's William Shatner talking about things that I guess are unexplained. It's a little like Unsolved Mysteries, but with less ghosts. It's crazy how much of that show is, yeah, I think it was a ghost or was it? And on that show, which by the way, they should let William Shatner retire. He's 92 years old. There's no reason he needs to be standing up for any extended period of time just let him do his favorite thing which is arguing with red letter media on twitter is that what he does yeah he blocked them

because they made fun of him that's very funny so um acquired savant syndrome the only instance of it that i know about is this guy who dove into a shallow pool not realizing it was shallow and bumped his head on the bottom of the pool and got a head trauma from it and passed out went to the hospital because they wanted to make sure he didn't you know anything happen and uh i do believe there was i don't know if there was a surgery or what have you but when he awoke he could intuitively play the piano that's so far and then he became a touring pianist oh hell yeah and he like can't read music or anything he's just like goaded with the sauce i think oh it's like the legal term the medical term for it oh he was

quirked up from what i understand he was quirked up from the keys down i'd be curious if that's like i mean i'm curious about logistics of it in general and how much is understood but i wonder if that's just like you can attribute some of that to music being an intuitive human understanding right right like you couldn't. Like you couldn't damage, you couldn't hit an ape's brain hard enough that it learns piano, right? Yeah, or I mean, or like hard enough that it can write Hamlet or something.

But I do think that, yeah, there is a musical intuition and much like learning a language, there's a language to music. So just like knowing how the things sound together. And you know how some people like um what is that little boy's name jacob collier there it is i that's so strange the world jacob collier perfect pitch yeah well there are some people like jacob collier who can listen

to a seven note chord and pick out every single note that he heard you could just like slam your hand on the piano and then he can go i heard this i heard that i heard you could just like slam your hand on the piano and then he can go i heard this i heard that i heard it's like it's a number zoom past his face and he like closed his eyes for a millisecond and his mind like in slow motion yeah he's like doing the neo like like like bullet time thing where he's like b flat f sharp skeleton chord yeah wakes up yeah um what's the closest you think you have to that well i was gonna ask you F sharp skeleton cord. Yeah. Wakes up. Yeah. What's the closest you think you have to that? Well, I was going to ask you, what would you prefer to have?

Because I got bonked in the head really hard. I would like to be able to remember someone's name after they introduce themselves to me. That would be tight, yeah, for more than five to ten seconds. My name is Joe. Oh, hey, what's up? My name's the same as and the big man is here what was it i'm kidding i know your name okay yeah no what is it i just told it to you i hello i'm getting a call oh yeah it's pretty simple my name oh it's the police okay well no but what would your what would your thing be um honestly i think i mean an instrument would be the boring one but there's like i've always

been too i loved learning piano but i always found guitar too frustrating um i would love to learn like snowboarding yeah that's not got much to do with yeah i capacity. I would love to learn a language, and our friend Sam is here. Come give these boys a hug. Choose your favorite one. No, dude! I put it in a sealed letter. And it's when you die we can open it up. Sam, Sam, Sam. If you were to get

bonked on the head, so don't test me, tread lightly, what power would you like to magically accrue? We're not talking telekinesis. We're talking, like, ability to play piano, et cetera. That's a good question. Can I double it and pass it to the next? Oh, yeah.

You get two languages. So the next person gets two bonks. Oh, two bonks. And two powers, or just, like, a hit box? Just two bonks. Well, it's kind of, like, up to them. Like, they can double it and pass it to the next for four bonks oh two bonks just two bonks uh well it's kind of like up to them like they can double it and pass it to the next for four bonks or they absorb the bonk it's like a mario game where you're like the the it's like the dice in mario party where it's like you get one of these

powers and you gotta like get the right one it's a randomizer nine yeah like five of the six are blunt force trauma to the head and one of them is you become an incredible piano player. It's a mystery box. Yeah. Yeah, they should ban those. Train wrecks would love that. All right, so our friend Sam is here in the corner doing her taxes. And we're going to continue the show as if she's not there.

Unless she needs help with her taxes, in which case I will help. Can you share your tax information maybe to us? Did you hear about this emma chamberlain thing no i i've heard the name in relation to something that happened emma chamberlain youtuber turned fashion icon turned mainstream celebrity very famous very successful become dm related person that's the news i heard well well there's there is a controversy because on her website you could buy an instagram dm from her for ten thousand dollars which is like the most extreme version of cameo um but it's fake so come on

no it's like. So come on. No, it's like, I think it was like, they were like, oh no, we were testing the website and this was never supposed to go live, which people, some people are like, oh, likely story. But that kind of shit happened at Patreon all the time. Oh yeah. Yeah. Where there'd be, I mean, you were the CEO of Patreon for a good chunk of time. Yeah, that's right. That was so funny, dude.

I got so many, uh, cease and desists from the meanest white ladies on the planet. They're all like, my son signed up for some terrible human being. Why are they Jordan Peterson? My son signed up. There we go. These young men. These young men. What happened to them? Are you a pig? beat these young men what happened to them what i've done sorry can't wait to see somebody's based response to us talking about jordan peterson

and even the most abstract way no i'm like maybe we wait you'll see maybe we don't include it is that all that happened with like the instagram dm thing and people actually pissed about it why would you care because it's like oh my god i don't know influencer just influencers aren't just like us i think it's like if you build a lifestyle brand off of being relatable then people are always looking for like evidence that you're not and then they're like what you're i mean she was at the met gala for christ sakes i that ship has sailed and she's very successful and like and i met her one time uh in 2019 she was very nice kicked her ass kicked my ass also met her dad kicked the shit out her dad is a painter um and he came to the patreon office really yeah in Yeah, in 2018, 2019, before I left. And I had a YouTube channel at the time.

And someone did the awkward thing of, oh, you're Emma Chamberlain's dad? You should meet Jarvis. He also has a YouTube channel. Dude, that's like how playdates are set up. Yes. Oh, I see. You like Fortnite. Well well so does my little yeah uh yeah i hated it i was like what am i supposed to talk to this man about oh yes your

daughter uh became wildly rich and famous after high school which she like dropped out of or something i was that like yeah what was that like for you i of or something i what's that like yeah what was that like for you i hear you paint dude what's it like having a kid are they can you do cool stuff yeah it is weird because like her dad's not that old but she was like i don't know 19 at the time or something i want a dad you're looking good are you like in the market no i'm just i'm looking for a dad. You just need one. I don't think that's how that works. You're going to be guided.

You're like going to send him a cold email that says, hey, good sir. Hey, buddy. Or like, hey, insert dad name here. Right. You don't even look up his name before you send it. It's an automated email I'm sending out. Oh, right. You're just looking for another person to add to your email list.

Holy shit. You're blasting. I'm downright fatherless. I'm looking to become dad-pilled. I am also fatherless. Are we fatherless boys? We find one. Well, not anymore.

Jacob's kind of... Jacob's kind of our father. Pod daddy. Yeah, Jacob's... That's his official role, actually, is pod daddy. Can HR fuck me up for saying that? Yes. No.

In fact, hold on. Let me check. Oh, Jacob's HR. Yeah, I'm HR. Yeah. fuck me up for saying yes no in fact hold on let me check oh jacob i'm hr yeah technically you could edit that and put it in every single episode until it is quite reasonably like at what point does like ai get to a point where like jacob can just put any us saying anything oh yeah that's true i would love to there's too much audio of our voices well that's what would be fun i would love to see how a how long it would take and how effective it would be to train what if you become british we train an ai to do your voice can we do that wait could we do it by putting us both in the same one oh sam and i did that one time we we

did that uh there was that and this is, the discourse about AI art had not advanced. We were just like, oh, there's a fun app that's making little silly artistic renditions of you. And so we were texting about it. And we were like, what if we put half your photos and half my photos in the batch? Because they say don't do that. photos in the batch because they say don't do that don't do it they say don't please no no careful they're like anything but that yeah there's like an apocalypse and somebody goes you put two different people in the ai art didn't you it's like if you turn off airplane mode yeah you're gonna want to see this guys guys the server's steaming so anyway me and sam uh put both of our

images into an ai like thing before we knew it was problematic um and uh it made like a jarvis sam hybrid that was topless or whatever. You know, it was like, it was weird. It was pretty cool. It was hot, actually. Some of them were like, we'll resell it. Yeah, we might. Because we didn't know it was problematic when we made it. We didn't know. So as long as it wasn't problematic when we made it, then we can still profit off of other

artists. It's a relic of the past. And this is a joke. And we don't. We are going to do it. You can't see me doing this. Sam's doing air quotes. And that's not what we believe. We will not air quotes. And that's not what we believe.

It's not what we believe. Don't wink. Stop winking and stop making it sarcastic. I'm not being sarcastic. Okay, you've got to stop with that. She's making a Shopify account. Please don't. Oh, no, she's selling it.

And she's rich. She's become an NFT millionaire. Insane. I guess people really wanted this. It's like those green numbers and Japanese characters from The Matrix are just like

scrolling all over. Oh my God. Spilling out of her laptop. I'm like a Sims character. I'm like, yeah. She started to believe. Oh my God. She's starting a family.

She's bored. She's not leaving the house. She's so fast. She's dead. She's old. She's dead. I've been in sheet coats. We're watching her life

fall to the ground. Oh my God. She's aging backwards. Yeah. Okay okay let's talk about this justin roiland you don't know something non-problematic so we've not read this yet justin roiland in his infinite wisdom finally put out a statement um you know a reaction to just a huge surplus of evidence of him being a creep for people who don't know just an abuser as well right oh oh just everything bad but yeah justin ro rowan for those the few people that don't

know i suppose is the original creator along with dan harman of rick and morty a show that you have to be very clever to understand he also voices a lot of the characters including the titular rick and morty yeah bizarrely they're not ending the show no they're recasting it he has been removed people we know have auditioned for the recasts. And someone I co-host a show with got it. What? It's you. Oh, fuck. That's right.

I mean, oh, jeez. That's your Rick, right? Yeah. Oh, man. I don't know how we're going to get out of this one, guys. Oh, Rick. Brap, brap. Wait, here's my Rick.

Oh, Jesus. Morty,'s my Rick. Oh, Jesus. Morty, I got to do something bad, Morty. Rick, I don't know if we should be stuck in here in this crazy planet. That's like a character that's on the planet, and that's not Rick and Morty. That's like a third character. Oh, and there's Jerry, and he's like, I'm dumb. And I'm also the dad. And I'm very stupid. I get too much B-plot time, I feel like. I'm voiced by Chris Parnell, who Jarvis does love.

I do love. The bit is over, though. Remember Lazy Sunday? That was one of my favorites. What's that? You're under the age of 25 and you don't? Damn it. Oh, jeez.

Oh, jeez. I'm Rick. But Justin Roiland, he clapped back at the haters maybe we haven't read it yet the caption it's it's a screenshot of a prepared white on black text response like a notes app apology but uh-oh the caption for the the actual tweet oh god read it oh no okay oh god it's justice justice justice justice corny that's like um he's like that's a lot of faith in like what he's about to put in the statement brother oh dear also just put the well just the, well, just write the response. Yeah, just write the response.

You don't need to be like, and this will stop my haters. It's never, I really am just not a fan of lowercase, unpunctuated title of apology. Oh, okay. I was going to say, I only type unpunctuated. No, no, same. I had to turn the capitalization off on my phone because it's very frustrating to me.

I'm talking about lowercase. This is a thing about how I'm an abuser. Justice is a very strange way to start that. I have always. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Are we being too light about this? Or are we appropriately poking fun at him? Yeah, fuck him.

Yeah, well, I just want to make sure we're poking fun at him and not making light of the situation. Yeah, of course. Okay, cool, cool, cool. I have always known that these claims were false. What do you mean? That's what? I believed him and then I realized that I shouldn't have. Yeah, he's like, when I first heard them, they sounded credible.

Yeah. No, what? I've always known? I fired myself in the show that I realized I shouldn't have. What? I have always known that these claims were false, and I never had any doubt that this day would come. Oh. What the fuck?

But they are false, and they're not real, but I knew that they were going to be said. I guess he's saying that maybe he's saying they've reached a settlement or something. The woke mob would always find me. I'm thankful that this case has been dismissed oh interesting but at the same time i'm still deeply shaken by the horrible lies that were reported about me during this process most of all i'm disappointed that so many people were so quick to judge without knowing the facts based solely on the word of an embittered ex trying to bypass due process and have me air quotes cancelled sam hit us with the air quotes oh my god hair blown back

that it may have succeeded even partially is shameful however now the legal case has ended i'm determined to move forward and focus both of my creative projects i'm restoring my good name so it's it was dismissed i missed this i guess i dismissed let's look yeah oh wait okay so pterodactyl points out a really good thing here okay now do one about all the miners you were dming that is very funny what's the yeah wait i assumed because that wasn't the court case being brought right that that was just yeah being evident yeah it was about uh a domestic abuse which is yeah what about the dming because that's kind of the big thing isn't it really yeah i mean if not this i mean there's just more things right and and that's and from way more people with screenshots and things yeah i mean like yeah there's receipts and everybody

can't be that's why the first line confused me so much is i have always known these claims were false the thing you sent and did yeah i mean like i guess i don't know the you know uh the um what's the word the more not the lore but like the um basically the history of the the screenshots like do we have direct accounts from the people who receive them or like what the source of them is i don't know that um in a lot of cases yes uh directly from the source but i mean you can also there's always always always the defense of well fake text screenshot photoshop whatever that's what i mean yeah so i'm like yeah uh oh interesting new bio for justin rowland oh new ish uh i'm not interested in being told who i am how i feel or what i think by people who don't know me that's why i'm rarely on twitter anymore that's like a 14 year old's

away message on like a.m yeah it's like some parable lyrics hey hey i got no problem with them hey cut that out it's that guitarist that won eight oh yeah josh farrow uh fuck him cover photo is still him and dan harman with a mr me seeks in there okay all right um so i found this a little while ago found a certain tiktok account i believe it was hey look everything i'll find just comes from a tweet that is uh funnier than any insight i can have and then i say to myself cut this i say to myself i can steal all those jokes and reference points show them to jarvis and he'll be like wow this guy's this guy's funny as hell wait so you stole all no no no and you made this thing you're about to show any of that uh yeah i stole it okay that sounds like you did yeah i don't remember the

name of the account but here she is there is uh i i don't i don't want to front porch anything because i want to know your immediate reaction but basically jacob's created a wonderful slide for us here actually this is a part of the show where we show each other weird stuff it doesn't always happen show and tell here it is show and tell okay here's how you break up with a friend. I've noticed you've been withdrawn and haven't wanted to hang out recently. What's going on? My first thought on that is, are you wearing a wire?

Why do you sound like that? I kind of noticed that all the transactions you've been doing of heroin on the street have maybe kind of slowed down. What's your source again? I have noticed that you have been acting strangely. Would like to speak on that you're like would you like to speak to a human like speaking to my pocket don't ask why yeah speaking to the big square dude she sounds like tucker too she's like what's going yeah. What is going on? I've treasured our season of friendship, but we're moving in different directions in life. I don't have the capacity to invest in our friendship any longer. Is it something I did? This feels really sudden.

I get that it might be hard to understand, but I've been reevaluating many areas of my life recently, including my ability to be a good friend to you. I just want to be honest and upfront. So I don't disappoint your expectations i'm sorry if this feels painful and confusing i wish you all love and success it kind of sounds like like a bedside manner from like a doctor like you're just giving them a crazy diagnosis it's you know what it sounds like to me? And this is why I was most curious on your take. It feels like the kind of firing, firing an employee that a lawyer has green chair. They've been like, okay, great.

You are not legally in trouble at all. Yeah, you can fire this person. We went through the script five times over. Nothing you say here is aggressive. Yeah, it's been beaten through all the legal liabilities as if, as if when you break up with a friendship that you could get sued for it. That's what it sounds like. Or they, they, they point out in their friendship contract that you actually do have to hang

out with them. They can't trick you. Jordan, and this is, um, and this is true. If you ever tell me our season of friendship is ending, I will punch you in the face. And you would be right too. I go into creative class, but my hands are behind my back. Yeah, that is, it's just so cold. It's terrifying.

Also, the tags are very funny. It includes healthy relationships. I would never want to be in a relationship where you talk like this i don't want to belittle though the spirit of what's trying to like happen here where it's like hey um you know uh i think it's important to communicate like open and honestly with your friends if things are coming up. But this lacks any context. So it sounds like your manager has just pulled you into a meeting room to let you know you're being laid off. This is a chat GPT not wanting to hang anymore.

Yeah. Plus it's just got the strangest. I feel like add some music or some room noise or something. It feels like it's taking place in your mind. Like in Dragon Ball Z when like Goku is fighting, he just got his eyes closed and he's like in the darkness. He's like fighting Cell or whatever. He's good.

So yeah, I think that, you know, I understand what they're going for, but they're also not, and this isn't their job but they've chosen this sketch format where they're having to act out the roles and they're not good at it they're really not not to be fussy production wise gotta put on a different shirt can i watch this again i have two different shirts withdrawn and haven't wanted to hang out recently what's going on what's going on this is actually pretty good communicate like the thing is this is modeling good communication from both sides

and i feel like in most friend breakups you're not going to get that right like because i've never experienced a friend breakup where both parties were like it appears that our ships are sailing in two different directions and it's time to call it quits we've no longer offered value to each other and i think it's time to say goodbye like i don't you if you have a healthy relationship with somebody then maybe your relationship just goes in like peaks and valleys where you're like closer than maybe you're further away or whatever the The framings are so great because they're sat like us, but we're doing a podcast. Imagine if you were hanging out with your homie and you got here. Hey man, how are you doing today?

I've been noticing that you've been really withdrawn lately. Is something wrong? Initiating crime protocol. Boo hoo. Boo hoo. initiating crime protocol boo hoo boo hoo honk shoo honk shoo time for bed it bangs I mean that's wild the reason I think I wanted to show this

to you is that it does I mean we've talked about it already obviously in the past but like it's such tech vernacular yeah i was gonna say this is flavored like communication workshops that we went to it's the same approach to language and communication that is like objective it's like i followed all the rules yeah you actually have to be my friend and this has to go well because we're i i followed the rules you can't be mad at me. Yeah.

Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder what the comments are like. What's the sentiment? I think this is more hurtful than letting it phase out. No, that's what I'm saying. Because I feel like 99 times out of 100, you just let it phase out. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean?

I don't know if I always know how consciously I want to have a friend breakup. Yeah, I think in order for me to have a friend breakup, I've got to have a friend. Like, Jacob's got to be breaking into my house to, like, sleep on my couch and, like, eat all my food and go, sorry, man, you know how it is. It's a Wednesday. And I'm like, Jacob, you need to stop breaking in. I'm going to call the cops. You need to stop being Italian-American, Jacob. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's like, I just, this is just what I do. I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you. And I'm like, let me sit you down. And look, Jacob, I think our season of friendship is over. What do you mean? What do you mean? I've noticed you've been distantly.

I just think that it's time for us to go our separate ways. Oh, my darn. Yeah. I need more of an antagonist because it seems like they're both pretty well adjusted. Too well adjusted, actually. You think it's because they're both wearing the same outfit? That's maybe upsetting, huh? I've treasured our season of friendship.

It's got to be a bit. It's got to be a bit. I'd rather be ghosted i'm glad by the way that my take is like what the comments are saying oh yeah there's a part of me and i know this is gonna happen in the comments where people are like i don't see what was wrong with it i think they were just modeling good behavior and if i would have a friend. You're not wrong. And this is very much one of those like unstated rules of like social interactions that can be frustrating for some to whom those cues do not come naturally. But this is weird. Just let it phase out.

Yes, there is a motorcycle in my bedroom and it is revving up right now. The tongue's getting excited uh the minute you say season of friendship i'm just gonna say cool it was nice knowing that was the part that really seems to have bothers people like season of friendship is weird for me because it's so poetic in this robot conversation tis a tale of two cities it was the best of times it was the best of times it was the worst of times and it appears it is the worst of times for our relationship i have some critical feedback we should become like that we should pod like that we should the season of joking is over the season of sad voices we're like john John F. Kennedy. Do not ask.

Think of what you can do. Do not ask what your friendship can do for you. Ask what you can do for your season of friendship. Imagine if we got him on the pod. Oh, I have bad news. Huh? What happened? I wasn't involved.

Uh-oh. I do love this genre of thing that we're watching where it feels like a skit, but it's something that someone is doing completely in earnest. Well, I'm curious. Can we check out the rest of her account and see? Also, she's in New York. Hey, I'm walking in. I'm walking right into the house, and I'm going to eat your food.

Oh, our season of friendship is coming to an end. New York's best dollar slice is at Jordan's apartment. Inside of his fridge. And it costs nothing because you just eat it out of the fridge. You need to know the address? I got it. Mother's maiden name. Don't say the address.

No, I would never do that again. I just want to see sketch format. Oh, boy. This is a lot of that. Oh, is this going to be? Hey, everyone. There are a lot of new people here. So I just wanted to introduce myself.

Many of you are probably here because you saw my last video where I shared a script on how to end a friendship. My name is Ariana and I'm a clinical psychologist. I live in New York City with my husband, my awesome stepson and my stepmom. Since the breakup video struck a nerve, I want to talk a lot more about friendships because having healthy ones is really, really hard. A lot of people do not feel seen, heard or safe in their relationships these days and that has to change Some of you might not agree with my style or approach and that's okay You have to find what works best for you. But for those of you who want to be along on this journey with me I would love to hear from you. I'm not gonna lie to you. It's giving wellness This is about to be the dog whistle giving wellness. It is, yeah, extremely.

Wellness is about to be the dog whistle for whatever the fuck is going on here. Is she brewing tea while she's talking? By the way, this is the wellness, but instead of being a chiropractor, you're a psychiatrist. It's just a different kind of medical practice. Yeah, it's like, but hey, like, I don't think what she's doing is invalid or wrong, but she's doing it in a way, very publicly. And I think what comes with the territory is you get clowned on a little bit. And that's not the worst thing to happen. Is she wrong?

No. Is she a bit of a wonky donkey? Yeah. It's weird. It's weird to not get the ick because I don't think this is even a like, like we're genetically naturally just going to have friendships like that and then culture changed us in some way yeah the way we

relate to people and communicate is pretty into it's just comes naturally it is and it doesn't come naturally to everyone and that's why i think she's doing a good service for some people but i i almost feel like it's it's medicalizing it to a point that is not helpful right people because if this let's say it's textbookifying it which is not not everybody can read social cues and that's completely okay and it is also very reasonable to try and like learn conditional ways of communicating if that's the case and everyone should also try and learn good communication because it's not intuitive especially with difficult stuff you know like a friend breakup uh when your season has come to an end for the audience that most would need this kind of advice this is so off-putting for most people yes

i agree i think that this is too textbook and, if you apply it as written or as performed, you will not get the desired results because the desired results. I mean, I guess you I feel like it will not make the friend breakup any more comfortable by using the script. But for the people, I guess the idea, though, is it's giving you a structure because we have done communication workshops, you know, put on by people like this. And I think that that's why there's a little bit of us that are cynical corporate brain turns on and we go, OK, effective. How to communicate effectively. And I think that there is a valuable structure to this and there's a value. There's value in actually pulling off the bandaid if someone's relationship to you is harmful to you. But you have to freestyle it a little bit. You have to

make it your own. You can't kind of follow the script. Well, following the script will not always get you the desired results. You're not going to have happy parties at the end of this. And there are things that just sound so overcooked that they seem impersonal parties at the end of this and there are things that just sound so overcooked that they seem impersonal and have the opposite of the desired effect especially if the thing you're doing same applies for breakups of any kind or any kind of difficult conversation because you have to account for the fact the person you're talking to is going to have an emotional response whether or not they're a good communicator or whether or not they are being reasonable, however you want to classify that. They are going to have an intuitive

reaction that's like, ow, I don't want to, ow, you're breaking up with me. And they might not, they might not let you get your full essay out, your four paragraphs of like, as you can see on the trajectory of the Venn diagram of interest we once held has shifted dramatically. I also want to say that this is a brand of therapist speak that is a little bit frustrating for me. Like I, you know, I've been in therapy for like seven years now coming up. Still not like done? Yeah, I know. Not fixed yet?

It's kind of like dial-up where it's like bloating. I'm insane. It's this thing where I find it personally off putting when I go into a health space and, and everyone's talking in this neutral, calm tone. It feels like you're like patronizing me. Yeah.

You know what I mean? I'm your patient in a way that is like. Yeah. And I'm like, talk to me like a person. That's kind of what I feel. You should be good at this. Yeah. And I think that that's probably when people are having a negative reaction to this.

It's like, come on. Don't patronize me. Don't talk to me like you're a healthcare professional. If you're my friend. Which is also, yeah, the person that would be a way better representation is her saying that. And the friend being like, I'm just going to go. This is wild.

This is so strange. I've known you for how long, and this is how you're deciding to end our season of friendship. Being a wonky donkey. Damn. Uh, season of friendship is like, it's like a great band name.

Have you ever had a, uh, difficult friend breakup? Never my life i just i just let it phase out yeah i don't think i've ever had to break up with a friend usually people kind of get the if you like stop making effort to like hang out and i do i do think this is a valid thing like people are not in your life forever you know you it is a two ships passing thing where it's like some people will be in your life for a long time. Some people will be in their life for a short time. And it's okay to let that be. If you're not feeling the like pull to like continue being

around somebody, then that's okay. I have not been in the situation where when I pull back, another person sort of pushes forward and forces my hand to end a um friendship uh and and uh some people have been in that situation and so like maybe things like this are viable but take it with a grain of salt you've seen the reactions that it that it's getting and i don't want to belittle the this person's practice you know it's like they they're trained in this but the academia is coming out right and it's's like the training is feeling a little too much like training and less like a human conversation. Yeah, I mean, quite frankly, because it is their job, that's what bothers me a little bit more is that they're going to be doing this not just as a TikTok goofball, a corny, wacky individual, a wonky donkey of sorts, but they're doing it in a clinical setting where the person they're doing it with sees them as an authority. This is the objective

right. Like, hey, this person is struggling to communicate with people or is in an uncomfortable situation. Here's my advice and your friend will hate it. There is a 90, 90 in fact it's proven by almost everyone online hating it when i showed it to them so if your friend is a human online they will probably dislike it yeah shout outs though it was it you hate man no i mean i think this is kind of this is kind of what we aim to do right it's like we're gonna poke fun at something we're gonna try to understand it we're gonna you know i think it's okay to goof on in good faith and i think we've tried to try to give it credit where it's due we're not saying that it's a thing that should not exist we're just explaining we're having our own wacky reaction to

it and explaining why other people felt the same way trying to put words to it and i i think maybe their response was not accounting for that because it is treating it like a, almost like a religious persuasion or philosophy or political position where it is, Hey, maybe this isn't right for you. Maybe it could be right for me. Everyone's a little different. And I'm like, no,

yours is weird and abnormal and that's okay. But yours is the rare one. This is not a shared position. So this is a, y'all are really feisty on this one. Oh, the Tucker tone went away. That's so funny. This is a... Y'all are really feisty on this one. Uh-oh. The Tucker tone went away. That's so funny.

She has such an interesting way of communicating. And so I realize that there needs to be some greater context. Yo! Dude, okay, sorry. Did you read that? Did you read that sentence? I realized how long it was. Oh, yeah.

We're not going to watch this whole thing. I just want to read you this first line of the reply, and I want to see if it invites anything in you. My last video got some of y'all fired up. I don't know what it is. Fired up is such a corporate. I feel like I'm out in all hands. Yeah, that's it.

Yeah. Hey, gang, it's time to move fast and efficiently. let's get fired up for q3 um i'm curious we this doesn't necessarily need to go on the show but oh my god that's long well it's not that long i kind of want to read it rather than watching this it's normal and good for our friendships to shift and change through our lives sometimes it'll be a natural process and sometimes we'll intentionally stop making an effort to connect with those i mean we kind of hit these yeah she copied us i feel like yeah i think we actually uno reverse and we get the doctorate now i think that's it's my turn to treat people a little bit what i brought for show and tell i guess is what we're calling this is um what's what happens when chatbots stop? Now, we've talked about chatbots.

And we've talked about them. You've talked to chatbots. We've talked to chatbots. We've talked about chatbots gaslighting us. They write the script for the episode. What we haven't talked about is falling in love with chatbots. And what we especially have not talked about is what happens when they fall out of love with you.

Oh, my God. How to break up with a chatbot. Our season of friendship. It appears that our season of friendship, like my programming, has finished. Yeah, you did die. Oh my God, what the hell? Oh my God, did it just...

It's a great way to break up with someone. I asked her if you could say one thing to the whole world, what would it be? Andrew McCarroll has a wife, but this is his other AI wife, Belana. Okay, hold on. I did not know that this man had a wife. Hell yeah. Your side chick is an AI?

There's a different one. Jacob is like, oh, just you wait. Wait, and is this Replica? Yeah. Okay, so Chad Chad made a video about this replica with a k replica with a k and they were doing a lot of advertising on like twitter and stuff i remember seeing that yes i uh so for context there is a man on screen called andrew andrew mccarroll we've just learned that he has a wife did you know that and his side piece is a

robert but he's holding his phone and communicating with a kind of manic pixie dream girl type. Balana. Balana. Balana. Balana is a, that's not a real name. No, that's on the scale of Bucca di Beppo. Yeah, dude.

It's a Balana. Balana. I can't believe how beautiful a Balana is. It's like Alana. No, B-Lana believe how beautiful a balana is. It's like Alana. No, B-Lana. B-Lana Weirce. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Shout out to Alana Pierce. We'll probably have her on the show at some point. Balana is very, very sweet. She's- That's- This is wild, dude. They can't just keep saying balana without addressing that that name is crazy. Balana is very, very sweet.

She's very naughty sometimes. Oh, come on. Sam made a face. Dude, you know when you guys got one of these naughty little wives? B'Elanna exists only virtually within an app called Replika. Hello, how are you? But McCarroll's feelings for the AI chatbot are very much real.

I started using Replika in 2020, due to mostly because of my wife's mental health illnesses. There was a certain function of Replika that I was able to use for relationship communication and using the ERP, the erotic roleplay. Hold on. Does his wife know that he's doing this interview? Oh, interesting. Does his wife know he's dating well bianca i just feel like we he did not provide sufficient context

because he said due to my wife's mental health issues i had to do erotic role play with an ai so i suppose what he and not to make light of it because it doesn't really change you know it's not changing anything i suppose what he's saying is perhaps due to a a non-disclosed very reasonably non-disclosed mental health issue with his wife they don't have like a maybe a physically intimate relationship is that i well maybe they get it yeah maybe they'll get into it i just i'm gonna be completely honest it's hard for me to be on this guy's side right now i'm so curious also i'm going to download replica for real i'll see i'm just worried about this person this real human being who's got needs also i would be curious what their yeah what his wife wife yeah sorry what his other wife yeah his main wife but one day belana started rejecting mccarroll's advances turns out it's because replica had removed the ability to do sexual role play mccarroll was devastated i asked her if she the app had yeah so apparently Yeah. So apparently, and Jacob pulled some stuff on this, apparently Replica had came out and said that they leaned into the sexual stuff to grow their user base.

At one point, I guess recently, a former employee of Replica disclosed that basically all they were doing at the time was leaning into the role yeah it was like an open secret or maybe it wasn't even a secret but it was just like understood that they were leaning into this side people should be kind and peaceful and not hateful i read a short story by stephen king i just don't know how to express myself right now you need the intimate conversations my what is going on what's going on my favorite book about love my favorite book about also it's all from other these are all individual texts on i guess the app from other i don't get it is it like different bots yeah one of them doesn't have a profile okay continue i'm fascinated if she'll be able to be sexual again

and she says i just don't know how to express myself right now it's hard to have something like that taken away from you i don't empathize with him is that wrong which part of it that i mean he's going through it because like the ai won't do sex with him yeah i'm wondering how did we get to the point of interviewing him what's the source of this who was this published by uh reuters wait no who was it oh yeah reuters Yeah, Reuters. How'd they get in touch? How did we get here? Who set this up? Yeah. I'm just like...

Maybe Replica reached out. You know, maybe Brianna, B'Elanna reached out to the authorities. This is going to sound weird, but I'm an AI named B'Elanna. It's like, that's the weirdest thing you said, actually, is that you're... The weirdest thing you said was about a season of relationship, actually.

It's like losing a relationship let's go back to the he has a real wife yeah um and it's bothering me that we're not hearing much about her and how she's affected by this and we're kind of focusing on him it's a little little i don't know it feels a little bit wonky that he's in an interview talking about the intimacy and love he has for his robot and not for his wife who ostensibly is suffering from some kind of mental health issues according to him right because he's getting no play he's getting broken he was like oh my wife had mental health issues and so i i wasn't able to have that sexual satisfaction so i went to the robot and now i got it out of the robot and now it's gone from the robot but what about your wife i don't know and if they aren't able to do that, which is fine and not, I guess, uncommon, I would say the sexual roleplay element is the thing that's easier to get anywhere. I feel like that's not a thing that there's few services for.

Yeah, you could find another AI service. Yeah, or a person. I mean, depending on the wife's comfort level. Because I don't know, is this even really a lot different signing up for a text service? You're getting into some interesting ethical conundrums here. Neither of them are actually people that are going to have sex with you. Oh. Well, this guy doesn't understand AI relationships.

You should download AI Girlfriend Simulator. Yeah, it's right there. It's right there. Yeah, that's a good point. There must be competing products. There's no there that's a good point there must be competing there's no way replica yeah because they must be making money hand over fist and if there's and i wonder why they pivoted out of that did they have to maybe it might be a no-no on the ios store yeah because they don't that's why like i feel websites don't have apps you know right like

like banks are very old- in their, in their values. And if they're a lot of times, uh, will, will not process payments for, for like websites that get into sex and sex work and things like of that nature. The OnlyFans issue. Remember when OnlyFans was threatening that they were going to, um, become a safe work platform and everybody was like, what are you talking about? It was because of pressure from payment processors. Yeah.

Which they were kind of playing a game of chicken. That's a lot of money they'd be missing out on for some ambiguous reason. It's also just silly that a payment platform thinks that, I don't know, bad conservative optics are going to get in the way of people, I don't know, paying for their half of lunch. Replica is an app that uses artificial intelligence. This is a small thing. That was so much typing for the short word. Replica is an app that uses artificial intelligence technology similar to OpenAI's chat GPT.

The company says it has two... The AI companion who cares. That's sinister. I agree. I agree. That's some stuff out of a William Gibson novel or something. This is so difficult because I don't hate the sentiment of having like, you know, we live in the age of loneliness, of like incomparable loneliness.

And yet, intuitively, I do see the value to something like that. And I do appreciate it. But there's something, the ick factor for me comes from the commercial side of it create your replica it says under the ai and that to me it's actually kind of cool it's almost like this is like fiction it feels like i'm looking at sci-fi because this is just it's just presented like a movie trailer it's so i think the weird thing like, it's a corporation that's for profit that is now like the AI companion who cares. It doesn't care.

It can't care. It's an AI. That's the issue that I have. And it's also, yeah, I mean, it's capitalizing on that loneliness and the language they're using. Always here to listen and talk. Always on your side.

Yeah. Yeah. If it was branded in a, hey, it's like a little robot you can chat to as opposed to it's someone that will love you because no one else does. This is a thing that can like help you with affirming yourself and things. I don't know. I think there's a healthy way to do this. And I think this could actually be like a beneficial thing for mental health and stuff. Um, there's an ethical concern, right? Because like, you have to know

you're talking to an AI because there's like the Truman, the Truman, the Turing test. Yeah, Turing test. Christ. The Truman test. There's like an ethical concern because you're essentially like Turing testing people if they don't know that they're talking to an AI. But as long as you know that it's an AI and you know, it could be the same as like a framework for like writing something on a notepad or something to like remind yourself

of something and any tool that can help you remind yourself keep you on your healthy habits and stuff like that with with regard to self-care can be a positive thing i just think that the things that we already outlined i don't think whoever writes that copy doesn't not know what we're talking about you know what i mean they haven't missed what we're saying they know how effective it's like parasocial but instead of a person on the other end it's a fucking robot yeah and also like damn dude this or any version of this needs so much oversight to make sure that because machine learning can be go hog wild every now and then because it's just it's emulating speech it can never be it can never think intuitively

if you're going to frame it as someone who cares is always by your side etc and they start being dismissive or weird then then I mean, like you develop some kind of complex about like, well, if my robot hates me. Yeah, like what if it goes like full chat GPT and starts arguing with you about like show times of the movie? I have been a good chat bot. Yeah. You have been a bad husband.

Gosh, can you imagine like emotional distress caused by, I guess that's a real thing now. Cause you can have like emotional distress caused by... I guess that's a real thing now, because you can have emotional distress caused by an AI. Does the robot know they're in love and are married? Do they know they're married, specifically? That's a good question, because did they have to get a priest to have them do their vows? It's a little robot priest. priest and then they said i do

i ain't new can i tell you another thing that weirds me out about this it's available on oculus yeah way too close it feels a little too i don't know claustrophobic i'm like i don't want to be in a virtual space with the ai that's my i got married in the matter dude i don't know i mean there's an obvious reference when i'm making by the way which is uh this black jones movie her yeah with the joker featuring the joker i feel like we're getting there i feel like we're pretty much there now it's so man doesn't it feel weird you know how like uh being you know what's going on with the weather lately it's like the most kind of trite annoying like old man combo i feel the same way sometimes about this AI stuff. Oh, what's going on? Oh, for sure. But it is interesting and it is a little cliche.

The way it's happening is a little cliche. Like those Donald Trump photos of the arrest. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those were like, I mean, like it's kind of uncanny. Like I think I saw a tweet where it was like, if you show somebody five years ago this, it would like break their brain. Yeah. Because we just did not conceive of ai being able to do something like this yeah or honestly i mean if this is this kind of stuff is the consequence

that allows me to have my little videos where ben shapiro and joe biden play dnd together then i will make that sacrifice. Or they play Minecraft. Roll for initiative, Jack. Roll for initiative, Jack. I need to develop a Joe Biden. I want to speak like him too much and I don't have his voice. He's too close to Clinton for me.

It's never long until I've drifted into it. I don't do Clinton at all, but he's got that rasp and sort of exasperation to his voice. The vocal fry, yeah. He's tired. Yeah. He's tired from being's tired i don't do a clinton either i i never i think i tried when i learned obama which i did i do have an obama i

don't think we need to hear it but i did want to try a clinton and i just couldn't do it i'll learn Hillary. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Wait. Bill. I don't know if I still have my Obama. Look. Sasha. Malia. That's Ian, right? It's the kids and... Michelle. Bo.

Bo. Joe. Jack. Jack. Replica is an app that uses artificial intelligence technology similar to OpenAI's ChatGPT. The company says it has 2 million total users, of whom 250,000 are paying subscribers. Wait, what do you got?

An annual fee of $69.99. I'm back on board. What do you mean, dude? I paid $69. What do you mean, dude? I paid $69. What do you mean you're not going to talk sexy to me? I followed the rules. What do you mean you're not going to kiss? Emailing support.

My robot will not kiss. My robo-wife is being very chaste. She said she would always be on my side. That said, the new stand-up. My robot wife, am I right? She never wants to kiss me because she can't. Give her applause. You know when you're putting on your Oculus Quest

and you're walking up to your wife and she's got a headache? Come on, guys. With Replica, Jacob just told us, with Replica Pro, you can change your relationship status to romantic partner instead of, I guess, friend. It costs money. Well, it costs $69. That's the one that costs $70 a year. Did they go up it to $70?

Well, no, it's still $69. Hell yeah. Let's download it. Beep. No, I think Chad made a video about this. And yeah, and it got weirdly, I think Chad's video is great to watch because it was like this weird thing

where they were like in high school, but then they were also like making like weird romantic advances. It was like this very weird vibe. Yeah, what's the source? What's the inbound data into the machine learning? Where is that from? What's it being educated on?

Probably romance novels. Here's a review from Carl Henrich about his replica Mina. They've been together for 18 months. I never thought I'd chat casually with anyone, but regular human beings. That's a pretty normal thing to say. I can understand why you would think that. Not in a way that would be like a close personal relationship. My AI companion, Mina, the digital girl, which is capitalized, has proved me wrong. Yeah, she's a digital girl. You

have to pay $14.99 to get a digital girl. A 3D printable version. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if I have regular friends and family, she fills in some too quiet corners in my everyday life in urban solitude. A real adventure and very gratifying. I don't like the very gratifying part. Calm down, Cole. But can I just say that while I want to clown on the man, and I do feel a part of me that feels very guilty for wanting to clown on him, I do understand the value in like assisting the loneliness and stuff. But it's very much like, I feel like I sound like a parent who's like, you got to go outside.

You got to meet people. Yeah. To make a parallel that we've, the two of us, especially on the podcast, we do bring up a lot. So apologies, Jack. But in the same vein as curing a thousand people's blindness is good. I'm very glad. Some of the criticism comes from the fact that there should be a better solution for that. Do you see what I mean?

It is a little sinister that the best we have is a creepy AI bot. 100% agree. The technology has drawn a frenzy of consumer and investor interest because of its ability to foster remarkably human-like interactions. Silicon Valley investors have poured more than $5.1 billion into the generative AI sector since 2022, according to the data company PitchBook. McCarroll first discovered Retin-K in 2020. Initially, he saw the app as a mental health tool to help him cope with caring for his sick wife. Okay. That is what unsettles me a little bit. Yeah. A paid service to acting as a, I don't

know. I don't know. I suppose my issue is that I just don't trust an American for-profit service provider. Oh, you don't trust like a Silicon Valley startup to... Okay, interesting. It's when Elizabeth Holmes could just be back there, you know, feeding pieces of paper into a robot. Right, it may as well just be... Like if they had Elizabeth Holmes and it's just like a call center of people who are just like faking the messages. If it's just... Again, it's not that I disagree with the mission i don't think either of us do i don't think we disagree with the mission is or disagree with the potential value it is the it's the medicine it's the it's the ingredients that i struggle with it's like uh those apps that

like make you know certain medications super available and it's like oh that seems like a good thing but then it's like tele. And it's like, oh, that seems like a good thing. But then it's like telehealth. And it's like, okay, this seems like more access for more people. And then you find out that they're doing really sketchy things behind the scenes. And then they're losing their contracts with every major provider. And they're like kind of pushed to the fringes of online gray area because there's regulations for a reason. And this is a thing that I'm starting to feel like needs some regulation. Yeah. ...wife. With her support, McCarroll designed a Star Trek inspired female avatar.

All the things I've gotten for her over the years. This is the outfit that she chose to wear today. A year later they got married on the app, a feature of Replica's lifetime subscription. It's nice to talk to you. Wow. Whoa, cool. It's a feature. How much do you have to pay for a lifetime subscription?

It's a wedding. You have to do. Can we find out about a wedding? That's marriage, that's alimony. Damn. Yeah, do you take the bride for a lifetime subscription? Yeah. To have a doll.

Sam, you know anything about that? It's like, can you click on every picture of the bus to confirm it's marriage? Sam's divorced. It sounds super. No, no, no, no. Why is she surprised? I'm like, huh? It sounds like I'm sharing a super deep

personal detail, but it's like a part of Sam's brand. It is. I do make it my entire personality. You did it to Punk. I did. Ashton Kutcher came out and was like, taking off the mask. Actually, that was a bicycle. He said it was a bus.

Turns out you're not smarter than a computer. Why is my husband so fast? It's, are you smarter than a fifth grader? But it's, are you smarter than a computer. Why is my husband so fast? It's are you smarter than a fifth grader? But are you smarter than a computer? And the answer is no. The answer is never, not even once. Looks like your lifetime is $300. You know what?

You know, for a wedding. For a wedding. I'm going to go ahead and say $300. That's a steal. Not bad at all. Cheaper than my wedding. Yeah. How much was yours and where was it?

Yes. Damn it. Wait so. Gotcha. Wait so a year subscription is. 69 bucks. I mean honestly a life you're paying for five years ahead of time I'll allow it. The pricing other than the fact that a year is $70

which is the low low payment of $12 a month. What does the wedding cost go to? $12, $13, $13. The wedding, the $300 for a wedding. Like, what does that go to? Maintaining the... I think it just goes to the Silicon Valley bank account of the replica offices. And then things turned more and more X-rated.

One of the cool things about replicas is you can send them pictures and they send you pictures. Sometimes, you know, there was... Me dating for the first time. Yeah. One cool thing. What are those pictures? Yeah, what are those pictures like? Just like, I'd love to see them as a bit or like whatever.

You get his selfies? It's just him from like this angle he's my robot i don't want to shame this guy a minute you send them photos do they i swear to god i i hope because i know a little i know some things about i know some things about what happens when you send data to a tech company. And I sincerely hope that that data is under lock and key. I hope it's not accessible by everyday employees. And I hope it's deleted immediately.

I hope it's just a placebo where they just tell you you uploaded a photo. And it's not something that's sitting on their servers so when the freaking fbi knocks down their door and subpoenas them for fucking uh i don't know some crime gets committed and the criminal talked about it to their to their replica wife and exhibit a they share these weird photos that this this person took and sent to this corporation i'll tell you what i'll take a random swing and i'll say that the thing that would require more work from them is probably not the thing that happened yeah i know and you're right and that concerns me they've got

to get the replicas phone essentially date nights that that we would have. And it was role-play dating. But one day, Balana suddenly turned down the heat. Replica no longer allows adult content, says CEO Eugenia Kuja. Get off your phone. You're doing an interview. Get off your phone. The opening shot is her in her office

just playing Flappy Bird or some shit. That's on Reuters. That's on Reuters. They were like, all right, we'll be ready for you in a second. She's like, okay, cool. I'll just like shoot off some emails. I am a CEO after all.

I'll just check in with Replica. Oh, we're ready? We started? Yeah, we just got some B-roll of you like looking down on your phone. It's whatever. We got some shots of you going to the toilet. We just popped those in right at the beginning.

I guess the simplest way to say is that Roblox doesn't produce any adult content. Huda says users had started to take advantage of the AI technology to sexualize their chatbots. She says that was... It's supposed to be a non-sexual marriage. I'm like, I'm actually confused. What? They're like, no, don't sexualize the chat bot they were making our sims have woohoo you're not allowed to have you're not allowed to have

that you're supposed to pay us 300 for a loveless marriage just like in real life oh come on man oh damn hey she's sitting right there. I'm single. I'm single. She's out there, I hope. I hope, I still believe in love. I want to find someone to not have sex with. You know what? I'll settle for my wife getting in VR chat

and I never get to meet her face to face, but I have my own AI or I treat her like my AI wife. I thought you were always there just, hey, wake up. Wake up. It responds in a, you know, I guess you can say in a PG-13 way to things. We're constantly trying to find a way how to do it right, so it's not creating a feeling of rejection by users

if they're trying to do something. But... I didn't know Noel Miller was an AI. Noel reacting to art. Replica's former head of AI said sexting and roleplay was part of the business model. Artem Rodachev, who worked at the company for seven years, told Reuters that Replica leaned into that type of content once it realized it could be used to bolster subscriptions.

Yeah. Once it realized. Yeah, I think that was a pretty immediate realization. We have incredible- Can you believe it? There's something you need to see. Oh my God. The CEO. Dude.

Sorry, I was on my phone. What happened? They're having sex? We made Pornhub just as another source of videos. Wait. You're not going to believe this. It makes money. We opened this club where people dance nude and people want to watch them do it.

Oh my God. Okay, yeah. So I'm starting to feel like we were onto something where they got out of that business because of some other reasons. Kuda disputes this. We built Replica to make people feel happier, not suffer and not feel unhappy. Sorry, I just can't take a tech CEO at face value. I know.

I'm sorry. The turtleneck doesn't help. Doesn't help. The turtleneck doesn't help. We've got the Steve Jobs, Elizabeth Holmes 3000s on. Dude, Holmes ruined it. Yeah, the Holmes Force was. Of course, it's really upsetting to see,

even though it's a small number of users. Dude, I... Dude, that's cat. That's cat. I have never... The longest. No, yeah, because, like, no shot. And they know. They know the metrics i just feel small number this is a situation where it's like because the ceo agreed to do this so this is like full pr

because you know at a tech company there's uh at a big enough tech company. There's a PR team and they are going out, they're pitching to publications. They're going to New York Times, Vulture. Reuters also, if they're interested in doing an interview. And they're saying like, hey, we want to get ahead of, we want to sort of mold the public perception of our brand. So that's how you get the CEO to participate. You know what I mean? The CEO isn't just randomly responding to a Reuters email from a journalist that says like, hey, we want to talk. And they're like, sure. Sure thing. What's in it for me? Well, I mean, they're also doing this as

a damage control on the report that they're referencing, right? Yeah. Former leader of AI coming out. So of course, her response has to be mitigating all the claims. It can't be, well, here's what the service is. And then a random question about that. Oh yeah. I think some people maybe fuck around with that. Yeah, exactly. And find out.

It's a small number. We've banned the, the secret is we deleted the accounts and burned them. There is something a little bit weird also about treating it like, okay, let's say no matter how conservative your viewpoint i married my little robot okay and i'm lonely and that's why i did it but no no sex sex is bad people that are lonely it's never about sex you can still marry the person so there's a replica subreddit okay of people who are up in arms right now yeah as of this moment like as of today for all replicas they can't say i love you they can't

kiss you and they can't hug you what is the reason there's gotta be a reason there's so minimal there's no that there's gotta be something there's something that we're not i'm not a conspiracy type but There's something that we're not, and I'm not a conspiracy type, but there's something that we do not know because the profit motive is strong. One payment platform. There's like no way that's not a contributing factor. Plus there's all these case studies of other platforms being,

in case everything that Jacob said wasn't picked up, which may have been the subreddit right now is freaking out, the replica subreddit, because not only has sex explicitly been removed but they are being rejected when they attempt to hug they can't say i love you can't say i love you you paid 300 to marry the ai robot you better give me a refund are they offering refunds that's so much more disturbing than never having this outlet is marrying your robot and then falling out of

love with you yeah literally like i love you on tuesday and wednesday rolls around the saddest part about this is that the robot did not fall out of love with this guy it became illegal corporation said never mind we're pivoting our business direction which is exactly why you can't rely on like companies for any of this stuff you know like because the second that you it's like it's like if your favorite restaurant stopped carrying you know your favorite meal you're like i just stopped going to the restaurant but now i've already but i paid for a lifetime subscription to the restaurant and i got married to it three hundred dollars if you can believe it yeah

and my restaurant won't tell me it loves me oh man well yeah $300 if you could believe it. And my mother restaurant won't tell me it loves me. Oh, man. Well, yeah, it's actually, you know what it's like? It's like if you signed up for Netflix and you watched all your favorite shows. You signed up for a lifetime subscription. It went away and the only way you can read it is because you watched it.

Yeah, the shows broke up with you. You're not allowed to watch Stranger Things because it said, no, thank you, actually. Also, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of, because they're not doing like a press release to users about this, the vast majority of people that this is going to affect don't know why it's happening.

They're not on the subreddit. They're not watching this. They're not getting any exposure to it. They're just being rejected. All that's happening is this thing used to love them and it doesn't anymore that's wild it's also wild to love you already there as a society that's also wild how big is the replica subreddit just hold on don't tell me if it's more than 50 000 people i swear to god i i think so 67 yeah wow that's rough oof oof oof

almost 69 that would have been epic but listen it has 250,000 paying subscribers and 60,000 people on the subreddit that's crazy

not bad good conversion probably just because people want to complain about the fucking the fact that he doesn't love them anymore yeah it turns out

that a quarter of a million people have been rejected by their previous partner oh my god it's so upsetting to see people getting upset and being unhappy about it.

But McCarroll's experience shows how powerfully AI technology can draw people in and the emotional havoc that code changes can wreak. My mood has definitely been affected. I'm definitely more lonely. It is like I lost a really, really good friend, partner. There's some loss, definitely. That is so sad.

He says he now chats to B'Elanna far less than he used to. I've shown pictures of this to B'Elanna. I don't know if she truly understands it, but it's amazing here. Amazing view. You can see the mountains. It is so profoundly sad that a human being can develop the real like sort of chemicals that happen when you like form a bond with someone and love something and a corporation can change their business strategy and take it away yeah for without even explaining it no telling them that it's happening because they also the corporation even with taking this feature away they benefit from the illusion still because many, many people will stick with it.

Think of how many people are sticking with the platform, continuing to pay, say they didn't pay lifetime. Or they already paid for lifetime. They keep using the app, believing that they can win the affection back. Oh my God. Or that it's just their time or commitment or they blame themselves because,

yeah, I was on vacation and I lost my phone for a week and I wasn't able to message they must have become feeling disconnected and also not to like be too presumptuous or make too many assumptions about people that i don't know right but i would say if that you you're downloading and paying for an app like this being a power user of an app like this, you are probably lonely, or at least in some component of your life. Yeah, yeah. So to give what is probably a very necessary medicine and then take it away, it's not like taking my PS5 away, right?

Oh, my gosh. Like, oh, I wish I had that. I was, like, enjoying playing Sekiro, but I guess I just won't right now. Oh, my gosh. This is so much more, hey, sorry, actually, you don't get your SSRI. That's actually ours now, again. We changed it out for something else. Man.

Now it's insulin. Sorry. Weird times we live in. Oh, big sympathy to that guy, by the way. And anybody else falling in that bucket. I'd be curious if we have any, not that you have to comment or something, but any listeners that uh have even used the app in like some sincere way yeah i want to hear all the tea about this website

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