Sad Boyz - Homophobic Gay Brotherhood

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

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Welcome to Sadboys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm joined it. First up, just want to say thanks to everybody who came out to our live show this past weekend. Yes, thank you so much. That's really fun. Absolute blast. Thanks to Eddie and Drew for joining us.

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It's just content. Jordan has something to show you. I saw something this morning and it was so upsetting that I sent it to Anastasia and said we have to show Jordan this. Oh. Okay, wait. And I said. Jumping into the mind palace real quick. What are the kind of things?

Okay. You're going to. Is it the kind of thing that I will enjoy more than the average person should? Yes. In fact, I'm going to write something down. Okay. I'm, I read something down. If it comes up later, I'll show you.

I'm in my mind palace, which is a whole. humble tent in the middle of the woods. The year is 2012. You're Quentin Tarantino promoting the release of Django One Chain. Okay. And I live in England still or I'm... Well, no, you're Quentin Tarantino. Oh, okay. Sorry, let me just get into it. I'm annoying. I'm a pervert. Right. And you're on B.T. also known as Black Entertainment Television. Awesome. But I'm Quentin Tarantino, which means... Which means... Well, you've got to, and you've got to, you've got to translate. You've got to explain things in a way that these black people would understand. Yeah, he's code switching for the culture.

You know what Django Unchained is about. But Quentin Tarantino. Being unchained, actually. Yeah. And actually, this is Quentin Unchained right now. Oh, he's about to watch. Oh, he's about to be released from his chains. Go to YouTube and, like, click on a random video,

make sure sound is working in general. He's whispering. And refresh when you do come back to this, because, yeah. Now, I'm not that computer savvy. So if he had sent me something that I plug into my computer, I don't know if I would ever heard. All right. Hey, download this.

I don't know how to do that. I want to please my fans. And I want to please the Crips. That are my fans. Oh, my God. He can't handle anymore. He's completely unchained. Oh, my God.

Get the chains up. What the fuck? Wow, I wonder. So you've heard him speak before. I've seen him do this with a little more chains. I've seen him like do promo and like a, on that press run and he's just like clearly code switching

in front of Jamie Foxx and being like right you and me culture but this is like he's in character like he's fully honestly maybe he's method I was already suspicious of every much like when I see him cast Salma Hayek to put

her toes in his mouth or he cast himself as the guy who gets his toes put in his mouth the selfless toe eater yeah selfless toe eater him putting the inward in every script feels racist. Like after seeing this, it's like I had my doubts.

Also, I mean, really treating himself to the N-word in Pulp Fiction. He really gets to have a little party with it. I remember when Jackie Brown came out and Spike Lee said something in retrospect quite harmless where he was like, I'm suspicious of this white man who wrote this movie and how many times the N-word is said by black people, but like... Right, but there's a certain puppetry to it. Exactly. And Quentin came out so hard against Spike Lee.

Yeah, he's had like a grudgeoning for years. New York Knicks superfan Spike Lee. Yeah, and also like... Tiny, tiny man, Spike Lee. His movies are much more deep than yours, in my opinion. That's just my opinion. I mean, hey. But Spikeley's incredible.

Like, you can't, if you can't love movies and filmmaking and not appreciate Spike Lee. His remake of Old Boy? Is it, I didn't see that? I didn't see that. Is it Spike Lee that is, I'm trying to remember if it was a green book that he was asked about or something on the red carpet where he goes, are you British? And then he's like, yeah, well, I'll give you a British saying, it's not my cup of tea. The whole pressel that he does for the All Boy remake, it's so clearly.

like something he was genuinely interested in doing and then it just spiraled and spout and spied and spout into being the shittier and shudder project. And by the time he's doing a press tour for the movie, he is fully shrunk into his shirt, never going to view. And they go like, so it's an interesting idea that remake this movie

that has so much love amongst the film community. Did you make any major changes and that ending? I mean, how do you feel about it? And he's just sunk in it and he just keeps going. It's a reinterpretation. Spike Lee, to me, you know those toys that'll be like a shell or like a, it'll be like a Transformers tour where it's a fire truck and it turns into office. I feel like Spike Lee can go inside of each one of his jackets. Yeah.

And then you hang it up and he sleeps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, Spike, time to get up. Wait, can we before you can continue this, which I do want to do, can we do the Spike Lee, not my cup of tea? I want to find that clip. Not my cup of tea. I feel like my impression of the tone of it was accurate, but I just want to see. Is there something about Greenbrook that offends you?

This is what I'm trying to get. A fenn? Are you British? Yeah. Are you British? I am. Let me give you a British answer. It was my cup of tea.

Is he a- Black Klansman? Yes, I believe so. Okay, that's right. That's a pretty cool way to do it. It is funny to call it as Black Klansman award. Yeah. as the name of the movie

It's for other people It's an Academy Award for him It's a black cleansment Speaking of Black Cleansman Let's see that Tarant doo do I want to please my fans I don't please the critics That are my fans The critics hate my fans

I don't give a damn He's like he feels like he's on like Def Jam comedy tour He's Matt Riefin He's going full rough What did you say that The critics don't care of my fans I don't give a damn It feels like he's even lying about like,

I wouldn't know how to use a file. You know, I'm black. We don't know how to use a computer. The caption, I don't know how to do that. Can you go to a... So this is funny because I just realized this is Chad Opitz, who was a San Francisco, it is a comedian that I knew in San Francisco.

Oh, that's funny. I do love the caption. You better not be Quentin Tarudito promoting Django and Jane Dun PT when I get there. He kind of has had the Aiden Ross experience. where he's been around not getting checked on this kind of shit for so long that he's just like, yeah, I'll just say whatever I want all the time. Don't she?

No, thanks. I mean, that's something that I've always seen a similarity between clavicular and Quentin Tadino. Yeah. They can both say it. They both have the pass. They have more kind of like bone in the head than you'd think. Play some gangster rap. Hit me with that.

Oh, my God, that was a cool one. I do love him. I just want to say the N-word. That's the kind of thing I love. like. That's the kind of thing I like. Give me that smooth shit. Jordan, how are you doing?

I'm good, man. We did a little reversey record today. We did the bonus first. Uh-huh. Which kind of fell in the sad boys. Obviously be plugging. Which we kind of a cool, chill vibe. I have this thing that I have to check after the show.

That's like a immigration related stuff. And it's just kind of a thing I always have to be kind of ambiently aware of. It's been on my mind for a couple of days. I wanted to check it when I was with people, you know, just in case because look at that stuff, just no matter how well it's going, just freaks me out a little bit. And it's,

I feel like there's a whole chunk of my, I think my random access memory that is being eaten up, thinking about it, but not critically, because there's nothing to think about it. Yeah, no. It's like thinking about I have to have lunch.

It's not, you know. Ruminating, right? It's like the, when you're like focusing on something, but there's, it's like hard to get away from it in your active attention because you're just like kind of dwelling in that. But I think I also feel like like like doing this show and and and kind of stability

it and you have given me as has changed my relationship with immigration stuff because now it's feels much more about process. Like it's less like fear and more frustration. Like oh great. More to do. More to plan. More to. As opposed to like I spent so much time in the past like oh my God, is it going to work?

Right. Now it feels much more about like, okay, more, oh boy, more like a doctor's appointment, more thing. Yeah. I mean, it's also, you know, this is a thing I'm not going to let you comment on, but I will say, I will say that like with everything that's going on in the world with immigration stuff, I certainly feel a certain amount of vulnerability and a fear in sharing everything that's on my mind because of the vindictive nature of some of the sort of powers that be. And the consequences that are not legally founded or are morally or ethically founded, but are,

again, enforced. Enforced. And so then it creates a precarious, like, you know, you want to feel like you can speak freely a charity thing, but there are certain things that I'm afraid to wait into by virtue of how it might affect people around me. And so that's a, it's a frustrating situation to be in, but it's also like, I'm sure people get it because they also see what's going on outside. But, uh, but anyway, that is, I like cheese crackers. I like, like, uh, Quentin Tarantino, cheesy. I don't know how to do that. I saw a computer and I was like,

What's that? My black ass can't use a computer. It was just like every black nerd raising their eyebrow. Yeah. I mean, otherwise good. The live show is always a little bit of a boost. It's a little memorable, a little achievement type thing. And trying not to engage with the overall feeling of dread.

Oh, true. Difficult. But not. But also like. Max difficulty. Finding that, I guess engaging with all the, ruminating, you know, on the specifics of something for practical reasons is obviously very different than just like ambiently worrying about something. There is a reason to engage with

something that's a big deal. But especially, you know, publishing a show, I find myself like very in the heads of maybe especially after the live show, just especially in the heads of like the people listening right now. I'm feeling especially especially. self-conscious, not in a negative, we're just conscious. Yeah, just awareness, yeah. Of like what somebody listening right now might be going through, what they might be feeling, or what relationship my words right now could have to that. And I guess I'm bringing it up only to say, like, I don't have any, like, I don't have a balm.

I don't have like a salve. I can't help. but I am just as much as I can just want to radiate out a little bit I hope like solidarity okay yeah I mean and I don't think that that is I don't think that that's nothing in fact it's like I do think that you offer something by you know being in your position and sharing about you know it's like to use a completely tangential example it's like simply by saying hey I have ADHD people go, oh, me too, and this person is, you know, doing these things and maybe they speak to some of the same struggles that I have and that can be like meaningful or cathartic or, you know, help them in some way. So I do think that, you know, representation in and of itself is valuable.

That is, it is always really telling when somebody does say something like that specifically where it's, hey, you guys mentioned just mental health in the abstract, you know, just like being aware of it and people somebody will say like that's really helpful and like fuck man it sucks how uncommon that is it's like how unwilling or unable a lot of people are to access like that kind of conversation which you know we'd have a periods of our life i certainly wasn't a as a kid i didn't grow up in a like i i did think it was a weak for me to acknowledge like a mental health or anything it's a learned behavior did you was work also your first exposure with that. I feel like I'm talking candidly about like your mental health was a good question.

San Francisco thing for me. I don't know. I do feel if I'm to be completely honest, I think the thing that got me into therapy initially were things like Pete Holmes's podcast. Yeah, yeah. And stuff where people would talk about like kind of normalize it. Comics would talk about it. Comics would talk about it.

Whoa. That must be just not. Comics are, you know, mentally ill as well. And so it was a thing where seeing how people could kind of walk and chew bubble gum or kind of be in both states at the same time. It's like, oh, you can be funny or you can still be. I think I had a few different notable examples of someone expressing, someone who I saw as a strong person or from a position of strength,

expressing vulnerability that I found helped me reframe what it meant to be strong. It's authentically. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, okay, that challenges my, it directly challenges the perception of weakness that is sometimes often actually attributed to discussions of, you know, let's say mental health or really any challenges. And each of those things helped kind of wear down that barrier to the point where I could kind of wear it as a point of pride.

It's like there's nothing about going to therapy or talking about. mental health that I feel like is any expression of weakness to me. And in fact, it's like, it's one of those things where it's like a bygone era. It's just like a thing that is. And it does feel like a bygone era, but at the same time, you like get concert reminders of how stunted we still are in so many, in so many ways. Especially within the bubble that we built for ourselves now. Like I still, you know, from the time I first left the UK to the first time I visited back

it was about a year and a half and my relationship with that kind of stuff still in progress but had changed a little my kind of tenor and approach to conversations like that was a little different my openness about that stuff or like he is what I'm just feeling in this moment or asking for help and stuff was not

you know I wasn't a hyper emotional hyper accessible person but I was significantly more so than when I had left. Right. And as a result, like, I remember getting back to the UK and having, noticing making someone uncomfortable. And it was not with like, yeah, like trauma dumping or anything like that. It would just be like, you're right, how you going?

And I would be like, yeah, yeah, good, yeah, yeah. Really just kind of like, oh, feeling myself there. I'm feeling kind of like self-conscious just about, like, I don't know what it was. Maybe it's when I'm wearing dress something. And I remember this being. the first and last time I did anything like that. Because it was not a, like, trauma dump out of nowhere.

It's we're chatting for a while. It's also very benign. Like, it's like lightly dipping your toe into that. If someone kind of expresses that to me now, it's kind of a jumping off point. If I'm going to close to them, like, if we have that kind of conversation. Sure, sure, sure, sure. But I guess it's hard to measure. Now I do think I'm more tactful about who and how and when I'm having those convos.

I think I was a little indoctrinated into radical openness or whatever. No, I think I'm the same way because when I was in high school, I would have like, I guess what you could describe as mental health episodes. But they, the way that I would express them would just be like talking to a friend, but I would be not aware of like the strain or stress that that can put on to someone else. Because you're in high school and your experience. these things for the first time and you maybe don't have like it's not something that I could talk about at home and so I like I'm grateful that I like had the desire to express it rather than to

like hold it in but I definitely would have redirected you know with perfect hindsight where that stuff was going I don't think it like ruined anyone's day but in retrospect it's like I'm somewhat embarrassed about so we had a couple things we want to talk about today the thing I'm very curious about is this streamer show that turned out to be a scam? I'm hearing I'm hearing rumors. I'm hearing rumblings, but I don't know what it is. I don't really know. I also I do want to say I know that we don't show this on screen typically whenever we do sad boys we have a board of topics available this week has some of the funniest titles in a while. It's just one of the most deranged sets of words. And I also like we were talking about what the main topic was going to be

and I was saying I need more context on this because I'm I don't know if it's my I I am allowed to say this it literally says a scam streamer show or evil gays and I was like what does that yeah um gay son or thought I'm like I'm like Jacob what's that and he's like these are evil gay people and I'm like oh okay well and it's like you'll see okay I'll take your word for it I'll see. As an ally, I will sit here nodding thoughtfully. I like St. Louis, monkeys loose. That's a sub-topic. That's not, imagine if it was the main. Can you believe it? Monkeys are loose.

Iconic. That would actually be like a great parody thumbnail. Yeah, yeah. A bunch of monkeys. They go bananas. One of those Netflix shows that's fake. Oh, yeah. Is it monkey? So what this was pitched as was a high-stakes reality television competition where the fans of streamers were competing. And so this was being like advertised to people who are like watching Twitch. Knowing nothing about it already being a fan targeted like, hey, come you can make some money.

Like was there a trailer for this or was it literally just like posts about it? I think it was mostly just posts. Oh, it was art. Okay, wait. The community on the R slash live stream. Failed Sub-Riddit had a lot to say about the matter, with several netizens suspecting that million-dollar fan would be a scam. Yeah.

I'm not a netizen. And they've since the website has been taken down, but this was there about us. Yeah, okay, let me read this. Million-dollar fan. Million-dollar fan is a high-stakes reality television competition built around one simple idea. The fans deserve a seat at the table. That's a nothing burger. That doesn't mean anything.

That's not even a simple idea. That's an absolute idea. It's hollow. Created at the intersection of modern creator culture and large-scale unscripted entertainment, million-dollar fan brings everyday fans face-to-face with the creators they support. Competing together in real-world challenges for life-changing prizes. This is not a meet and greet. Oh, this is ChatGBTGPT, by the way.

That felt that way the moment it opened with the inner section of. That's such an iconic Chat-GPT for me. This is not a meeting. greet and it's not passive fandom. It's participation, pressure, and performance. The three piece. So it's like amazing race, but it's a fan and a streamer. But the second they said it was a $20 million prize, I was like, in what universe?

Like no show has a prize now. No show has a $20 million prize. Which do you think is the amazing race? Oh, God. The iditarod. It took me a minute to understand what you're saying. What you were saying. No.

It's a big one. It takes me one minute. Exist to refine the relationship between creators and their communities. So fans are no longer just viewers, their competitors. It's a very, like, appealing. I know. It's very much, like, appealing to parasycial relationships. Sure.

It's appealing to people who need money. $20 million price pool. That's a typo. Prize pool. Oh, wait, this is a Reddit comment. So, of course, there's a typo. paid entry contest their refund policy says no refunds you can't go to

you can't add that's the catch is that you have to buy a ticket to to be able to be selected what kind of scratch are we talking about that's such a red flag a paid entry contest also isn't that like

aren't there laws against this? I think they're laws yeah unless they're doing the old raffle right Unless they're trying to swag it out as a sweepstakes It really seems pretty raffly to me Right? Yeah Because you're not getting anything otherwise Wait a second

Wait a way to do sweepstakes Okay that Okay see Bote's sisters are also involved So the chance of it being a scam Increases naturally by 50% That's just some Reddit in stuff shit Like seven prominent streamers And internet personalities are teaming up for the show

That's why I want to see if they said anything Who is Knut? Is it? That's not peanut nor is it nut from uh... Did they just spell No Wait you have me

scroll down because they're showing pictures Who the hell is that? I have no idea here that is Okay Um Looks Australian to me Extra Emily says she's not trying

to scam fans Okay Okay So they were associated with it But maybe Maybe just like a Okay You know

Business email Sure But then they kind of ran away with it Uh yeah I mean It does suck That How much you have to vet

Everything is being a potential scam. But it's like, do I think that Extra Emily is trying to scam her audience? I do not, like, you have to think about what is the simplest thing for Extra Emily to do and it's exactly what she's already doing. It would not, yeah, she does not need to do this scam.

It would do so much more damage than good. It's similar to, I don't know, like a few other things that we've looked at where it's like the personalities associated it with it are kind of also getting scammed. Yeah. Like, it's like, it's one of those situations where you trust your, um, usually trust your representation as a creator to do the vetting.

Yeah. And stuff, especially because they have the resources and connections usually, ostensibly, um, to do the vetting. If they're doing that job, right, you shouldn't even hear about it. Who's behind the scenes, et cetera, et cetera. Um, what the risks are, you know, it's like, I'm speaking just from personal experience, but I also have been happy with my management and I've been with my management for a long time.

So it's like it's, you know, your mileage may vary. And I think if there was a, someone was reaching out to us about a $20 million price pool game show, I think I'd want probably some more, some more diligent research than they want to do it, yes or no. Yeah, $20 million prize pool is like such a scary, like, a, like, a scary, like, why? Like you because you could do this for a million dollars and it has exactly the same appeal.

Yeah. Most like game show kind of shows, including like the Netflix kind of reality show game shows. Oh like don't give you very much money. A million dollars is even kind of high. Yeah, well, it's like that's why no one really wins who I would say have one in the past. But like who wants to be a millionaire is not often completely one. Yeah. I do and I am noting my bias because I, uh, it's.

at least acquaintances with Emily, but the, and also, you know, understand what it's like behind the scenes. But to me, this is like, I've, you know, seen offers come across, you know, my email or whatever. And a lot of times it'll be like, what sort of rights to that? Like, what am I signing up for? Yeah. I know that. My management is making that clear to me. What is the usage? Usage, name image likeness, all that stuff. And then, like, in this case, if someone was saying, oh, this person totally backs it or this person is, like, that would be a miss, that would be a, like, you wouldn't be allowed to do that or I would know that you were allowed to do that. I would never be surprised about how my likeness is being used. And if you were, then it's like, okay, then I've been defrauded. Like, yeah, it's like, then, then that's actually, you know, like, you can just lie about who is supporting something or the way that someone's supporting something and you can mischaracterize it and those things are fraud. A lot of people are putting the blame on the agency, mythic talent. That's where, okay, I'm glad that people are because that's also where I am placing the blame.

I'm a little. Because it's my, because it feels like a failure on their part or a, them being bad at their jobs or them being, uh, complicit. I have to, you know, it's like never attribute to, uh, malice, which you can attribute to incompetence. But it's not that it's an excuse. It's more just like trying to understand how this happened. I mean, it's like, it's almost everything that ever goes wrong is because, somebody wanted to go home early. And like a lot of the time, if this kind of thing seeps through the gaps, it's because,

yeah, whatever. I don't want to have a meeting about this. Let's just say yes to it. Or if that sounds fine to me, I have to finish this by the end of the quarter. And I mean, I don't know. A lot of managers are kind of fucking stupid. I mean, that's the real problem is that a lot of managers are, there's like so many snakes in the grass in that, in that industry.

Because there's a lot of people who don't have business backwrecked. grounds who are relying on these business people with an immense amount of trust. And like at the end of the day, you know, it's it's like if I fuck up, it's like my fault. But most of the world works by people relying on their teams to do this due diligence because that is the role that they're signing. And like, again, it's like the buck stops with the streamer, like their own responsibility. But I understand that you're delegating for a reason. You're expecting some amount of due diligence to be done.

But at the same time, this is the type of thing that I would have a meeting about. And then I'd be like, excuse me, they're being charged to participate. Yeah, that doesn't wait. What is this show? Yeah. The question, I guess. And it would not be. And who's putting it on?

And what is there? their background. Maybe it's just because we're not streaming and that has such a different kind of relationship with an audience. But if someone, if the pitch of the show includes language about time to break down the barrier between streamer and fan and the fan will be working with you. Run everything you get through like AI checkers, even if they're, even if they're not 100% accurate because it can at the very least give you some sort of wait, maybe I should be

suspicious. Yeah, I don't, it's, there's got to be a, like, amount of money where it raises your eyebrow. You guys, as soon as the number of 20 million happens, I'm like, okay, this is a guy. Right, that's already a bad, like, I'm a Nigerian prince and there's $20 million of diamonds. It's like, I have a billion dollars that I'm trying to give you, but I can't, because my bank account in Nigeria has been frozen. I'm like, oh, well, my, got past my manager. Yeah. It's framed as a sweepstakes by either donation, or there's also, like, a no donation required, Because, like, legally, I think you have to offer, like, a free way of doing it.

A free way of doing it. But a lot of times, sweepstakes will make that free way of doing it very just, like, difficult. Exactly. Create enough friction that, because it's like to technically satisfy the law. It's similar to how you can become complacent in trusting, like, your representative in this case. Yeah. We can kind of become complacent trusting the systems in general. Exactly.

Like, yeah, they can't scam me. It's against the law. Okay, so this is... They wouldn't. So this is interesting. The show will be set to air on Amazon Prime. It's like... That's a big claim.

So it's like, that's such an easily traceable. Okay, well, then what's the production, you know, company of this? This is the, that is the type of thing that should have mainstream reporting done on it. Yeah, there should be like a Hollywood reporter article on. Yeah, a deadline article or something. Like... I promise. It'll go on...

It's like, oh, it's on Amazon. Prime, like, that's a easily refutable claim. Yeah, at least say it's going to be on grubis or something. It's, there's just a lot of red flags. But at the same time, if you're a creator who's never engaged in any of this stuff, you may not know. Or let's say, what if you're a younger creator? What if you're like 19 and you don't have the.

Well, that's my thing is like- General awareness. You have to rely on people at some point. Mythic is like ultimately the problem here, because you have to rely. on your reps at some point. At some point, because you just don't have knowledge of every possible thing. And it's like,

I mean, the sketchiest thing about this is the way that you enter and the large size of the price pool where the money is coming from is nowhere to be found. Like, location, Vancouver, promise. Where did the $20 million come from? It came from when I typed 2.0 into the text document.

It's coming from the sweepstakes. Yeah. It's paid for by the, uh, did they, did they still? Oh, so because it's a donation, it's probably just like a bunch of different figures you can donate. Probably there's not even a flat fee. It's just whatever you. I don't, default $5, $10.15. And also, oh yeah, and the offer is, what is that big blue number here under offer?

I think it might be like redacted. Oh. Oh, because it's different from creator to creator. Oh, it's like the amount. Okay. It's the type of thing that, okay, that's obviously going to get people. excited and then, you know, if you have management that doesn't care about you as a person, they're salivating whenever they see the number because they're going to get some percentage

of that take. And it leads you down really bad. I mean, there's just so much bad management, by the way, just out there in the creator space. Like bad therapy. It's because you don't have to be good at it to do it. There's just so many, like, kind of people who are taking advantage of creators. That is a lot. I mean, a lot of the time it's just.

Hey, what's up? I see that you're blowing up right now. Do you know how to do your taxes? Because I do. And then they do their taxes and they're like, that's my dad now. They did my taxes that one time. They must be a genius. There is like a lot of, it's a minefield right, financially to navigate when,

especially if you're a young creator and you haven't like done your own taxes before or whatever. And it is a huge help having a rep to help you out like getting brand deals and blah, blah, blah. but it's also a predatory, a place to navigate like predators. It's extremely opaque because like there's not a lot of transparency on what deals look like, on what fair terms are. You have to know people who are like further along in their creator journey to talk to. Like I've talked to a lot of like young and up-and-coming creators about things like this, about management, et cetera.

And if you don't have that network, then you're kind of just taking people at their word and the best that you can glean and they always promise the world. Like it's- How the hell wouldn't they? Yeah, exactly. So I don't know what Mythic,

anything about Mythic talent. Have they made a statement? Mubby. Oh, it's a big, it's a big Twitch talent agency, I guess. It looks like they have not made a statement. Can we look at extra Emily's statement? I'm not, I know it's suss.

I know it looks suss, okay? Mythic pitched it to me and I was like okay sounds good but I just don't want LSF to be part of it like are you kidding me like why is there an LSF person like like they're like using and they're saying like oh Emily is is backing it up and I'm like I just posted it because I had to like I had to be like okay I need to tell people about it but then the LSF guys like oh yeah extra Emily totally like back said I'm like I'm just what I'm supposed to do okay so I don't know what's happening, but for now, just like, put, like, put this, like, put on the side, okay?

So I will get more information on it and then let you guys know. So, uh, yeah, but I, I promise I'm like not trying to scam you guys. I apologize. I didn't do more research beforehand, um, but I'm going to have them do more research and let you guys know. Uh, yeah. The LsF part is a little confusing to me. Oh.

They just mean that they posted about it? Or someone was involved? In their post, they said, we're excited to collaborate. That's really crazy. Why? And I like always want to defend creators where I can, but,

and it does seem like it's ultimately like, oh, it's weird to, I don't know how mythic entertainment or whatever talent, mythic talent represented this to their clients. But it does raise this interesting question of like, forward command enter descent how much how much due diligence is a responsibility of the of the creator it

kind of feels like um in the back of my brain it kind of feels the same as when you see a middle-aged person like posting and what is so obviously an a i thing like so obviously oh my god can you believe that head crews went surfing and it's him like inside the mouth of a shark so this is like obviously fake if you just don't develop the muscle for you of that, do you not think about it? Like, looking at this now, I'm like, but, but it's like obviously it's like a scam in the initial email. Speaking of scams.

And it is just if you don't think about it, I guess. Speaking of scams, did you see that, uh, former mayor of New York, Eric Adams did a crypto rug pull? Allegedly. Didn't even last 24 hours. He was too excited to get that money. It's like, what? He was pulling at threads.

Are we doing? As people are like starting to. Put up the New York Times thing is not a bad idea. Eric Adams hawked a crypto coin. A day later, a million dollars was missing. And he said it was to fight anti-Semitism. Oh, that's right. Wait.

He's just doing keywords. He said that was the reason for the coin. Yeah, I was trying to find that. What? He'd fight anti-Semitism with a, you know, use it in a computer or something. I can't believe crypto rumpels are still happening. But mainly because it like speaks to something, right? It's like how bad the over general, like we're so online that we've seen a thousand of these.

Yes. It's intuitively a bad idea. It's intuitively a bad idea. I overheard an interesting conversation between someone who's probably like 1920 and someone who's probably like 50. Just from appearance, I'm kind of guessing their ages. the young man said did you see I can't even remember what it was

Bitcoin or something like Did you see Bitcoin is up? I'm so excited I'm like I've got like you know he's he's like excitedly talking about how he is making a bunch of money and the 50 year old guy goes Oh I'm like out of that

I'm not I cashed out I'm not like doing crypto anymore and the young guy was like, why, man, I'm making so much money right now. You have to get back in. And the older guy was like, no way, there are so many scam coins, blah, blah, blah. It just feels like, you know, minefield. Like, it's easy to get in trouble. It's also like none of the, like, the big promise of Bitcoin in like 2013 has like never come to pass.

It's like only ever been used for crime. and speculation. But that young guy was like so... I mean, brainwashed is the word that comes to mind. But also, he has to be like that to galvanize people to invest in whatever shit coins he's hawking. He is... Yeah, he's in the MLM already.

He has to get his 10 people underneath him or whatever. Yeah. I just think there's something to... I think there's a lot to be said for someone younger who is like, this is maybe the first time that they've felt agency over their future. versus a guy in his 50s who probably has a house. Yeah.

And this is more like a, well, how much to retire. Yeah, because there's like, that's the thing of, the classic thing of you are more economically risky in your youth than you're more economically conservative in your later in life. Can you click on he boasted in an accompanying hype video? I do not understand. Jacob found on this New York Times article that it's supposed to, this crypto coin is supposed to fight anti-Americanism,

whatever that is. Okay. And anti-Semitism. And I don't know how a crypto coin fights that in any way. By giving money to helpful advocate Eric Adams. The post is still up. How? Is the coins still available?

Also, by NYC token, the second you're out of office is such a fucking, like, it's like so obviously a scam. It's a red flag, right? Because like that you could have done this, like you can't have done it, because of conflict of interest, I guess, when you're in office. But hasn't stopped some people. He's like, well, who? And also, he's still, he's still associated with New York City.

So it's the perfect time because no one's going to remember, you know, in 10 years. Yeah, this actually, genuinely this feels like I'm getting the fuck out of this place. So I'll just grab. I'm going to grab all the silverware before I quit kind of thing. I haven't seen either of these. Well, here's a separate video that happened recently. I don't know if he's punch me in the face

I would love if you punch me in the face Okay you can get fucked too I don't know what the conversation was leading up But he his quote is I'm not your mayor anymore Go fuck yourself Jesus Christ Yeah he's done buy my coin

It's like stupid idiot If you're gonna vote for a guy I don't like Don't kill you He was gonna be like the mayor for Israel or something It's like bro like He's spinning around Going like does anyone want me Does anyone want me

Reddit? Would you like me? Because like I feel like the second he got elected he was like clubbing and stuff Yeah he was he was an emperor He was he was getting the grapes put in his mouth big leaf what Wafting him and stuff And now he's just like now he's burning Rome down on the way out Yeah when you guys are gonna have me he looks cool I can't believe this thank you

God bless you man What? Oh my god wait Yo Eric is that you Yes, it is, brother. How are you? This is shot exactly like every, the beginning of any Bill Burr special. It's just like, I'm just a guy in New York,

you know, just a regular guy. I'm getting in a cab. It's funny because in that acting performance, I could already see him hailing the cab saying, okay, go around the block, do this again. But then give me, hey, Eric Adams, is that you? And then he rolls down the window, has a buffering moment when he tries to remember what his line is.

And it goes, hey, Eric Adams, is that you? Former mayor of New York? Founder of NYC crypto token? Drive back around. Or I won't give you your coin that I promised you. Get a fucking mayor at the back of my car. That's New York. I always say there are two types of Americans.

Those who live in New York and those who wish they could. Yeah, that wasn't related to the thing the other guy said at all. It's funny because what they cut is when he said, I've got the fucking mayor in the back of my car. He actually said, I'm not your mayor anymore. Go fucking stop. He said, zip it. Can you put up the divider please? Do you want a coin?

He tries paying him with a coin like the John Wickow. Yeah, big moments. Yep, big moment. We're about to change the game. If you can't make you to New York, we're going to bring New York to you. Okay, can I say something? Why does it look like this is the back of the car? I thought it was the back too.

I'm like, is he like, is he reversing? Yeah, and why is it? It is one of those weird futuristic vans. And why does this look like a dreamscape? Like, is it like feathering around? The whole thing is shot so incompetently. A really basic, like, you should. If you've seen a movie, you should tell this.

I don't know what I am looking at. And I say that with no, like, joking in my voice. Doesn't it feel like a, this feels like a, like 2011 YouTube sketch? Like a, like a Lelie Pond style. This shot is showing them pulling up to an out-of-service turn lane. That is obstructing the flow of traffic. Dude, that's what I want my mayor to do.

Back in, give me the, by the way, give me the first person view from backing up. I want you to confuse my spatial reasoning so deeply. That's what I always say about New York. There's people that don't know how to film stuff and people that want to don't know how to film stuff. That's what I say about New York. I said, where are you going, Mr. Mayor?

I'm not a fucking Mayor anymore. There's two types of Americans. ones who want to be in New York and one have I mentioned Israel and staff that speak to me like you do cash or credit card you got some of their New York City talking to get you some of this thing is about to take off like crazy

That's such a scam Is that the idea is you pay for You could pay for New York services with it I think they're doing bargaining Oh because he has no ability to He can't do anything I don't think you can pay for your taxi medallion with Bitcoin. I think you need to give me money.

I think it's literally like what it's the equivalent of being like instead, can I have a few shares in that new company you're starting? Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the digital heartbeat of New York City. I love that you can just say words. You can just be like, we can bring New York City to you with this fucking crypto coin. You're buying a piece of New York. Talk about a fucking.

No, you weren't. No, you weren't. All the copy that's written here is so nephew core. But it's nephew who knows how to scam. Because I do think that does appeal to people's, like. Oh my God. How do you look at this and not immediately get repulsed? Like, to me, this is, it literally might as well be a symbol for a virus.

Like, download this to destroy your computer. The thing is, I've seen enough coffee zilla videos to tell me that, like, all of it. I know in the tokenomics thing, it's going to explain how it's impossible to rug pull it. then we already know that like he's he's completely like pulled the liquidity pool. Yeah, talk about somebody who's like, I'm not giving Eric Adams the benefit of any doubt of any case. It doesn't do anything. Man, at least the text is really, really, really small.

Governance and Treasury, two lines. I don't know what any of this stuff means. It's a, you don't need to know. That's a point. You're just supposed to hit by. It's a bunch of hand wavy things to make it seem like they've done their homework when in reality it's a copy pasta of every, other, like, every other coin that has just been built up out of nothing. Yeah, this is a default.

It's like no, it's a Solana coin that's probably all boilerplate and there's nothing special about it. Point is, is what you're supposed to do, Jacob, is look at the page. See, wow, there's so much written here. It must be legitimate. And then that big yellow buy button. Yeah, and then also, it has a thing. Like I said, if you scroll up, it has a thing about, like, all these cliffs, these are,

like the token reserve has a lockup duration forever. and these have a three-month cliff and a 12-month cliff and these are locked and then yet somehow they managed to completely gut the coin the second it launched somehow they managed to find a way I don't know we said no to gabble yet that that's always been pretty cut and dry yeah yeah yeah we have a new coin actually we'd like to announce today because we are so ethical that's why you can trust we want to bring sad boys to you boy coin that sad coin is right there and you just boy coin on it. You can go sad coin and I will win.

But like we have also said no to financial investment apps. Which is a tricky one. And it's like it's not to say that like I've personally done an ad for credit card type thing before. But it's not like a cut and dry rule. It's just that there's a large barrier to any sort of financial. or like medical advice thing. It's like Zokok is like a platform to find doctors. It's not telling you what doctor to sign up for.

It's not the doctor, right? I don't. It's not a medication or whatever. Sabboys also I think has like a, the K-Fabe is so much less that it would be on like any of our channels, right? Like there's an understanding of like what is character and what is performance and stuff in the other settings. And this, it would feel so much more like insidious maybe to like, but it's not that like,

I use investment platform. I have, I have some. The thing is, I am like not confident enough in my, like, education to haphazardly go like, yeah, you go give it a swing.

Well, it's also like there are things that I can say that I feel like most people would have no issue with that we're just like, well, there's enough ad slots that we can fill with other stuff that we don't have to like cross this bridge. It was like acorns, right? Like that the thing that like puts money away.

way when you do your transactions. I'm like, I don't see anything, like, offensive about it. It's just like, do we want to cross into that territory? I don't use that. Like, that's the thing is, like, I am not informed enough about who not, maybe there is a way to do this. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to invest in this because it's like so obviously stupid and

unethical and shitty. I was going to say something, like, extremely cynical about this is it feels, I won't say anti-sim- well maybe it is it because this is a scam and we saw them scam a bunch of people talking about how supporting this is going to support initiatives to fight anti-semitism feels anti-semitic because it feels like it's preying on people who you know want to fight this a very real thing putting it as if your coin has this noble mission of doing this and then stealing three million dollars out of it the second it launches feels like it's counter to what you say your principles.

Also, making sure to provide a nice clean line between Americans and Jewish people. Anti-Semitism and anti-American, if you can believe it. I forgot that they said that. Oh, my God. There's anti-Semitism, which is, of course, when you are Jewish, which is not American. And it's like so, that's the thing. The labeling that they will always use in the case. Like when Eric Adams says anti-Semitism, it's literally a different word.

He's got a whole. It's, you know what it is? It's like when the right decided to start saying woke. It has a completely different definition coming out of their mouth. It's also a Trump coin. We forgot that that was the thing. That's true. I'm Melania coin.

It's in Melania. It's just called Melania, by the way. Oh, that's right. She is the asset. Yeah, it's like, and then the Coffeyzillo interviewed one of the guys who like helped start that. And I'm like, damn, what an easy, what an easy way to make millions of dollars. It's like, wow, that's so crazy.

They don't even have like, there's no one who, a professional that does this. It's like only people using templates and doing like DMing. It is never a grown up. It is always a template boilerplate copy pasta. It's the president's coin.

Is there not like a I don't know, who's the best at doing this guy? And it isn't. It's still, you know, Johnny nephew that just reaches out and uses a You hate nephews. Look, hey, I think it's just much of an uncle problem.

I think it is just as much the burden of the uncle for hiring the nephew, but it's a dangerous ecosystem. The uncle nepot dynamic, Uncle magic, is dangerous. Now, auntie trust. The auntie trust? Antitrust? Antitrust? You can trust the aunties. Anyway, go to sad coin.

No, that's an all of it. Dollar boy. You know what else is bad? No, Jacob. You can't say that. That's our right as observers of the gays. All right, tell me about this. Okay.

Comment Brotherhood. I love it when they tell you to do something like that. From an account called straight acting boy. Straight acting boy. I'm straight acting. Wait, now they're going to have boy coin. I like boys, but I don't like boys. I like boys, but I don't.

I don't like the hollow gay culture. Like the hollow gay culture. culture. I feel like that's presumptuous. Oh, oh. Because there's also just one gay culture. Yeah, they're doing, um, and it's hollow. They're doing culture. They're doing culture war. This is such shadow boxing shit.

It's always just like, yeah, fuck hollow gay culture. And then people that aren't like internally homophobic are just like, okay, go away. But like, as if gay culture is one dimension. Yeah, the monoculture. Yeah, the monoculture of gay people. It's hollow, dude. That's why I created the. That's why I created the.

to the straight acting brotherhood. Straight acting brotherhood? Wait, so the whole point of it is that you're gay, but you join a brotherhood of people who act straight? Because you're tired of gay people who act gay.

That's so... Act. Cool. It's interesting. Act is an interesting word. So brave. It is just, it's like Doth protest too much.

What do you mean, straight acting? It's like, I want to conform to heteronormativity, but I can't help being gay. So I'm going to make it cool to conform. Yeah, anybody

but not with the gay shit. I'm gonna conform to something that's better. Anybody could, like, has an issue with you being gay. It's not like wearing a mesh tank top

is the thing they hate. They're homophobic. Hey, by the way, I act kind of like you, but I am a gay man. Now I'm gonna be like, that's good. One of the comments says,

I knew this was an American thing. This is already arriving in Brazil. Last week, I was invited to watch a football match with seven other gay men and drink beer. What a comment. That's incredible comment

That is homophobic Because you're saying that gay men don't like beer and football matches Can you comment brotherhood real quick? To learn more They don't even tell you why you would comment brotherhood Just do it Just doing it Just doing gay

Because you want to train them to blindly follow Whatever you'll say Your society Exclusive members club If you don't comment brotherhood you are gay For high network masculine men We're into men We recently had a retreat in Bali and we all lived in a luxury villa.

We went with the ATVs in the jungle and we also sat down all together and talked about our personal stories, our struggles. Yeah, guys don't do that. Come and brotherhood. This is crazy. This is so crazy because it's like those man retreat things where they're like doing a hypermasculinity. Like a war room thing. But it feels like they're, why are you forcing yourself into this like shell? For who?

Because if the gay, if the hollow gay culture was talking about your feelings, is this a masculine way to sit in a circle and talk about your feelings? Yeah, it seems like it's mostly, honestly, the whole sitting in a circle thing feels, it's like a perfect allegory for the way that people approach this. Because it's always the same stuff, no matter what community you have to pay to get into, it's always the same stuff, but the shape is different. It's not I'm at the beach walking and having a conversation. It's I'm sitting down pensively in the war room to have a conversation. It's not I'm spending a nice day out having drinks with my friends. It's we're having beer in next to an infinity pool or something. Yeah, we're having tactical beverages.

We have carbon fiber glass. Carbon fiber out of a carbon fiber flask. It's a combat flask actually. Who is everyone is performing for this mysterious third person who hates them. Isn't there someone you forgot to ask? It's like Uncle Sam. Also, did you clock that he said exclusive? Like, they're trying to make this a, like, well, it feels like those like man camps, you know, like it just feels like that for.

And I think he said high level too. So it's like. Yeah. It's like we're high level men, which has some meaning to them. It's some high value man. It's like the, it's the, I mean, it's literally just those. those groups are homophobic, so they've made an inclusive one of those,

but only a little bit inclusive. Yeah, we have the cute Nazis. Like, it's nice now. Like, I'm glad they're sharing their stories and their feelings with other people, but it is, like, you know you can do that with any close friends. I mean, I have a feeling that the stories

are maybe not being shared with the transparency and warmth that those stories kind of warrant. it's probably more in the realm of like my dad was a sub-optimal communicator and thus was not proactive about my my sexuality it's not like i hate my dad he's a shitty guy also there's no uh it's almost cliche to say this at this point but like guys just need friends and it's getting really distracting it is all these things are just an excuse for guys to hang out with friends just get like a group on or something that's not allowed it's like it's like if you don't it's like if

And it's hard to have a friend who will plan a night where you sit around and talk. So you have to- I don't have a circle of grass like that. Yeah, you have to go to Bali for one of those. That is odd. I like that second really tiny one. That's the kids one.

For like kindergarten. All right, let's see what they, let's continue. Oh, interesting, into men, not into LGBTQXYZ.

Is that like a, I built a brotherhood of, for men like, this is someone who's in denial about their like belongingness in society. Yeah. They're trying to divorce. their sexuality from the cultural view of it. It's like, it's self-hating, but then wanting to, it's like, are there any other people

who hate their identity and really want to conform to, like, heteromascular, like, ideology boys club? Like, not doing that is like a normative to the extreme, right? It's like, that is the normal way for a human to act. But sometimes people get so gay that they become inhuman to me. Don't you think this is one of those scenarios where it's like I feel bad and so I'm going to make other feel bad. Other people feel bad to make myself feel better. Like, yeah.

We don't like, we're going to be misogynistic. We're going to be like maybe transphobic. I'm guessing with the Q, XYZ. I never even seen that one before. That's just like, that's the, it's the LGBT 1, 2, 3. It's all the love of Mephy. Alphabet soup. I don't, I mean, back in my day, it was just LGBT.

Okay, and then now it's fucking, there's extra letters. This, it always cracks me up because, like, it's weird to old. It wasn't, clearly it's not too long, but you wrote it and then they added stuff to it. So, yeah, what if it was longer? And so it's, it's dog whistling to like a specific type of, it's that I am valid, and what I like to do is pull down other gay people who don't do the gay the way I want to. The other way people are expressing themselves. is actually hurting me.

So that I can feel like I'm a real man. Yes. Right. Also, I didn't, I think. Jacob, you want to speak for all gay people real quick? Yes. Jacob has a prepared statement. That's my favorite thing.

I mean, I'll give it a try. This is not a new concept. Right. I mean, look at like, since Grindr has been a thing, the whole like no fats, no fms, no Asians. Yeah. Like that is and that hasn't gone away right you know people are more like oh I shouldn't say that out loud because it's but then there's people who still like because every now and again I'll see like a viral

post of someone's grinder profile and it's like they're like they're basically saying that but in like slightly different language yeah it's an iconic i'm not owned it's like i'm actually laughing it's interesting because like i don't i can only apply this to like things i've experienced but It's like the way it feels like when It feels like token minority stuff I'm one of the good ones Yeah, it's I'm one of the good because it's like that's what I like I think that there's been points in my Childhood and upbringing that I

Rejected my like racial identity not like outwardly rejected it but more like didn't want to see color You know because performing a type of like Because I'm not like Tyrone. Yes, you know what I mean? I think that's the thing is like... Also, shout out Tyrone. We went to high school together. He's very, very good running back for the east side. Rams, so...

I've noticed, by the way, he does not use the word gay ever. Well, that's... I was also thinking... Into men is the... I like boys and I'm into men, I think, is the two. Great episode for clip farming, by the way. It's... It's...

A lot of fun individual clips to take from this episode. It's, I want to make a boy coin. I like guys, but I don't like this hollow gay culture. I understand the... urge to be like, well, there's this stereotype of something that I am, but I know I'm not the stereotype, so I'm going to other myself from the whole community. Right. And it's like, it is.

Pull up your pants. Put up your pants, black man, kind of. It's just one of those things where it's like the critical flaw is othering other people is harmful. Yeah. And that in othering others doesn't make it. easier for you to find community. Yeah, it corrods at your soul over time.

Yeah. Because it's also, it's a, what's the term? It's a rising tide, right? Like, the more hateful you are than the higher the standard for that becomes. Because now all of you in your, was it the man zone or whatever, this group is called, all of a sudden, you know, once 20 people join, there's got to be five. There's got to be five people out of that 20 that don't do as good as the top 15. And then.

And they have to be high net worth individuals, okay. Oh, let's connect and build. Connect and build, dude. I'm glad it's here. And also have gay sex? Or like, is that at all? No, dude. Wow.

Fucking how homophobic of you. Just because these men are into men, you think they want to sleep with each other? It seems like kind of a shitty vacation. Like, all these guys. They don't do gay hookup culture. Or wait, they don't do gay culture. Sorry, I misread that. They don't do hollow gay culture, HGC, as they're calling it, hookups, partying,

drinking. Wait, but they were drinking beers. Not different though. That's different. Oh. Because they don't drink water. Yeah. We don't do LGBT labels, pronouns, or rainbow products.

I'm sure they use pronouns. They don't do pronouns. I'm sure they say he and they and they. They're going to say it somewhere and it's going to be a problem. This is the type of. You know how in sports because it's so like hyper like toxic masculine or whatever, you you have like straight athletes who like paint their nails like Caleb Williams. And then there's like, it's weird to me that there's a guy who's into men,

but goes none of that he's doing that gay shit. You know what I mean? Like it's such a weird. It's always strange. Like let's just why not, why exclude? Why not expand? It's strange that we've seen it also now. Like, well, it's a lot of forest for the trees type stuff where what this is ultimately,

if you really, really, really, really, really, really boil it down. the source is just trad, heteronormative, patriarchal structure, right? Has been, always has been meme, right? Right. It's a toxic patriarchy. Always has been. But now we're in this, like, bizarre moment where

this isn't even, like, associated with, like, Catholicism or something. Like, the sources of it aren't even here anymore. It's just vibes. Yeah. Why don't you like that culture? What about it? And it's like, it's just wrong. That's just wrong.

I don't know. Well, it's like, you know. You know what it might be? It might be like thinly coated like conservatism. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like, because I think that that's also like if you like it can be very repressive, right?

In that that culture. It's signaling it but without the compromise. Like in a conservative, um, culture. You know, it's like if you're, it reminds you of like people who are raised hyper religious and then like are having to come to terms with their identity. And it's like really unfortunate to be stunted in that way. And the only, and there's nothing. wrong with it until you start doing harm to others.

Yes. Yeah. I actually, I was at this like super vivid memory several years ago. Very, a very good friend of mine. He, he grew up kind of just like traditional American Protestant, but church every Sunday, prayers before dinner, but not really anything like proactively hateful, just that, just like, just the, you know, I guess what you point was the nice parts, just, you know, chilled parts.

And then he one day just out of nowhere, like, In a casual conversation, he just said, something along like, this is like 2019. He went, yeah, I think ultimately, though it's needed, I think Roe v. Wade is, it's like not great. We probably shouldn't have that. And I just said, well, this is going to sound like maybe patronizing. That didn't sound like you saying that. Like that's a, and I just thought for a second, I went like, and I only mentioned this wasn't because they talked about it publicly.

I said like, you know our friend X? They just talked about having an abortion, right? You know that. And he went like, huh, yeah, I don't know why I said that. They had literally- They uploaded the new MPC dialogue. It's like the pipelines, like in brainwashing, results in someone just uploading new default, like, dialogue options.

And then just hitting those, not knowing whether or not they believe them or not, they just repeat them. And that's the thing is they were on instinct that what I admired about it is they did they you can do a hot fix. Yeah. Someone who was like, hey, you shouldn't say that. And they're like, oh, shit, you're right. As opposed to you like, it's almost snapping out of it. They're like, oh, what do I actually think?

And then that was the first time that they introspective. Yes. I want to look at these, these retreat. So we've got the warrior retreat. And this rule of threes is very fun comedy to me. The warrior retreat. The Greek gods event. The Swiss experience.

The Swiss. It's just so funny to me because the warrior retreat, it's a five-day retreat in tropical paradise, train mooie Thai, like a fighter, recharge, the luxury villa, reclaim your power as a masculine man. Okay, great. The Greek gods event. We're going to be gods. Five-day immersive experience in Mekanos, the island of the Greek gods, will white rock villas, crystal waters and golden sunsets. And then the Swiss experience, our most exclusive event of the year, where elite men come to slow down, ski resorts, slopes by day, and warm private chalet. fire's by night. That one sounds like more sensual. Yeah, but not in that way, dude. They don't party or not. It wouldn't like kiss each other. No, bro.

Are you insane? Horse. And I'm only into men. I'm not gay. It is what to say not LGBT, I don't want that to be a part of it because all you're saying is I'm gay, but I don't like allyship.

I don't like community. I don't like supporting people. I just want to me. Yeah. Gee. It's like I need, I want to find a group of all so selfish bros.

Well, that's the thing is, like, they don't want to let go of the privilege of, like, straight passing and, uh, and being men. That's a good point. Letting go of the privilege, I think is a good way of framing that because it's like if I can, uh, what's the term? If I can pass for straight, then I can have all of the privileges of being straight. And if I never assign myself this label and what I think. think it means or what, you know, I've been brainwashed to think it means by society,

then I'm free of it. It does imply definitely that like, because clearly this guy is sheltered, like, clearly because like if you know gay people, you know it's not a monolith. Like you would literally just have to have any gay friends to have any exposure to like, oh, right, sorry, this thing that I've learned that all gay people are, is a complete fiction that's been propagated by, by fascist. But then like if he is in a incredibly sheltered, realizes that he's gay, and then just goes like, okay, need to make sure I don't do any of the gay stuff I've been hearing about online. This is not a guy who's lived a life.

It's weird because your sexuality has nothing to do with your interests. And so it's like you can be into ATVs and making money and driving fast cars. And it has nothing to do with your like sexual identity. Yeah, you might just be boring. And your sexual identity also has nothing to do with your gender expression. It's so much who ask. No, but instead it's like I will just confirm my biases by creating a lightning rod where the freaks who've been similarly brainwashed to me or have the same cope in their hearts

as I do can choose not to grow and just like we found each other. And that's the only downside of the internet, which is that like, I'm a weird freak with harmful ideologies. And while communities are being formed every day that make people feel less alone, there are also communities of people who want to cause harm who are like, wait, you two? Brilliant.

Wait, we can cause harm together. And we'll call it the unit, the, we'll call it the army force. The battlefield. We'll call it the Trojans, but not like the condoms, but like the warriors. Not like being gay and ancient Greece. We're going to be like Greeks, not gay. No.

The Greek experience. That's, yeah. The Swiss experience. It's got cheese. The Swiss experience. Also, $5,000 for a Greek vacation that you could buy Greece. Yeah, you could do that much. You could buy Ibiza for $5,000.

All right. No offense. I know that you're a Greek. Yeah, and they're broke as a joke. It's cheap there. Get it to the Greek. Anyway, we're heading to Warrior Retreat, right? I'm going to the Swiss experience.

I'm going to gay party. Oh, that's a totally different package. Sorry. Wait, that's the group where they issue all things masculine and only love that gay shit. It's a bunch of straight guys. Yeah, yeah, they're laughing. They're really straight, but they love all the... Wait, that's Arpa, I guess.

They love Proudat. Cost of... Costs of brotherhood. Like, what elegance you? Oh my God, wait, this is so sad. Can I join even if I'm not out yet? Yes, we value privacy and discretion above all. The brotherhood was built for masculine men into men who want a space where they can finally feel understood a place to belong.

This is so sad. This is so sad. You can't be that. You're fighting demons. It's fiction. It's like, you know, you know, when you go out and about and you say that you're gay, but you're like, a kind of traditionally masculine man and people start yelling at you

and a bunch of lips not grabbing you by the arm. It's like this doesn't exist. This is making me sad because the amount of fear in that one question it's so sad. Also, the cost of brotherhood,

it's free but you have to pay was the pitch there. You have to have at least paid for an event. Oh. At this point, I just have to go to one of their gacations. Don't call

It's a boycation. They would really not like it if you called it that. They're straight acting cations. It's the super head Greek experience. I just also want to point out that they're massively transphobic. And a lot of this also comes from like misogyny and whatnot. Absolutely. Yeah, ultimately it does feel like it's the one unifying force that every insecure,

Prad performing guy, regardless of other elements of their identity, is just hating women and trans. Yeah, it's, it sucks. It's like the one thing everyone seems to hold on to no matter what. And I think it's like, this is a little bit how they win. They being the like heteronormativity, like, uh, cis het, het, like, gender binary enforcing. Like, all of these like socially conservative structures are, reinforced by shit like this.

Yes. Because you could have it all, but you, instead of being open and just saying it's a group of dudes who share these interests, you're also trying to harm and exclude and invalidate like all of these other groups. When you didn't have to do that, you're just like cowtowing to the powers that be. That will hate you either way. Right. That no one's, they don't like you, little bro.

I mean, this could just be called the vacation club. It's pick me gay guys. It is pick me, yeah, it is. It's like, pick me, but for Don Draper. Yeah. It's like, hey, do you like me? Do you think I'm cool? No, I'm, it's upset.

Like, but it's, it's tough because it's ultimately harmful or it's explicitly harmful, but then you see stuff like the can I go if I'm not out yet? And then it's like, everyone moves at their own pace here. It's like, you almost get it. Yeah, you're getting really close. Right. It's like you understand how this might be difficult. Like someone might be struggling with identity,

how they might want to take, you know, their time to understand, you know, what they are. And it would suck if someone got swept into this and was like, ah, yes, I finally found. It was the thing that let you come out. Right. Paying $7,000 to. Because I didn't come out as a gay guy.

I came out as a straight acting into men guy. I would be, I could have honestly just think like, homophobic, like, boomer dad, this would be so much more confusing. We're like, dad, I'm gay, but not like that. Look, I'm going on a Swiss experience. Wait, what? It does feel like, this almost feels like it's a crutch for that kind of dad, though. Because it's like, dad, don't worry, I'm still into, like, hunting and being a Greek god or whatever.

Here's my pink ATV. But don't even worry, I don't use pronouns. And it's like... I have a neon green jet ski, so I'm not, like, weird about it. Yeah. And I don't like any of those flags. So shoutouts to being gay. And if anyone asks, Jacob put us up to this.

I did. I didn't. I wouldn't have invited myself to talk about this. But I guess it does speak to how toxic masculinity is, is, affects everyone of every identity. More. Like it's like, it doesn't ask if you want to be a part of it. It is a very, it's got a cold iron grip on all of society. It takes, and it gives nothing.

It gives nothing and it asks everything. Anastasia, can you fix this, please? Okay. Okay, brilliant. Why, you were so quick to answer. Okay. I've just been waiting for someone to ask. Oh, shit.

Are bad, I guess. Do you want, if you pick, fuck, what else could you fix? Polio, get rid of that probably? No. Oh. It was a one-ask. And I'm against the vaccine, too.

No. Oh, fuck. I'm just kidding. I love the vaccine. Which one? I won't tell you which. I got a bunch of vaccines a few months ago. Are you bragging about this?

Was that you flexing on it? Was that to go to Brazil? Yeah. For my gay men's retreat. All right. Well, that's that on that. Don't do scamming is the name of the game. Except if you are going to do it, you probably are anyway.

Just be dubious about everything in the world. It's so tiring. I know. It's like if everyone just kept sneezing in each other's faces. And I'm like, can some, can I just not go out? Yeah. Is there's just nothing that can be done now? But thank gods with geniuses, you know.

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