Sad Boyz - Huge Squid Game Controversy

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. Okay, so we are talking about Squid Game. If you want to go to that, we have like the chapter markers. This is a podcast. It's about feelings. It's about other things also. We do talk about our feelings. We do talk about some life experiences. We talk about some other stuff before we get into it. But if you are just interested in the topic, it's a longer episode. So you can, you know can head on over there.

Thanks for being here. Hey, real quick. Lighting is different. I know. It's because we – it's episode 100 of Sad Boys. And we didn't plan this, but we had a very feelings and other things also conversation for the first hour and a half of this episode. And then for the back hour and a half is the Squid Game Zone. And so it's an extra beefy Sad Boys for you to celebrate 100 episodes of the podcast.

Thank you for it. Thank you to Jacob. Thank you to the whole team. It's actually insane that we have four more years and all that. OK, anyway, back to the show. No tape, baby. Oh, whoa. Are those from the place, from our secret spot?

Yes, sir. They look great. Six pairs. I did. One arrived. Oh, yeah? That's wild. They told me it had arrived.

And then I called back and they were like, oh, at your house? No, no, no, no, no. We couldn't. We didn didn't i took it back did i go to the post office they don't know what they're gonna follow up and try shipping it again there's like oh this you wanted to wear the glasses yeah you wanted to have them oh no scatterbrain over here i i had a thing where um my address wasn't registered with the post office and so i wasn't allowed to receive mail the mailman like he came to me and he said hey is this you and i'm like yeah he's like i'm like i reached for the mail he goes no no i can't give

it to you nice try i'm not allowed is this you answer my riddles three yeah and then he goes i'm not allowed uh you've got to like do some shit with the post office and i was like i do and they're like yeah and so then they were like holding all my mail for a while hostage i think but it's mine i was literally there was a a box of like uh the treat training treats that i use for dipper that was just held hostage at the post office for like two months i mean i still get stuff shipped to you now yeah yeah it sucks so much yeah i think i'm re-upping my lease and i think a part of it is going to be a stipulation of like brother you're a great super. I love this place. Everything works. Every single person that lives in this complex of like 20,

they're each individual houses, but what, there's like 20 of them. Yeah. They have three different types of address, and all of the numbers are the same. It's all 222-Wangle two two two dangle and it like people turn up at the identical long out exterior and like which of the 50 gates do i use right what is the code it's mildly different for each and then like when i'm inside which side is it on it's security through obscurity but what you were securing yourself from is mail it's the things i bought with money yeah yeah it's my tide pods that i need soon

yeah you're secure from receiving things and having friends know how to get to your house do you remember my old spot oh wait actually you hadn't moved down when i was like for the most of the time i was in my old la spot i do remember the um it wasn't koreatown it was yeah it was uh pico union yeah i uh i do remember that place because there's a video that i recorded in it of course yeah you questioned me before the move down and we did the patricon prep right after i moved down. Oh, man. I remember we made the little presentation. For those who don't know, Jordan and I, not only did we used to work at Patreon, but Patreon has a yearly convention of sorts. And it's changed over the years. They actually recently just had it in L.A.

Oh. And we were invited to attend, but both of us were out of town. So that would have been like a a return a fateful return so maybe next year but anyway maybe when they can afford us yeah we hosted a patreon convention once it was like hosted by they included sad boys in the building so if you google like patricon 2019 or something like that you can find photos of uh me and jordan on stage looking like we don't know what we're doing but we were we were surviving which you know on reflection maybe we didn't and might not still know completely i do think there's it's weird now being in the future and just having the hours on mic,

not just for this show, but now no adrenaline goes on after we hit record. There's no like, I got up recently to do a speech at an event that was not entertainment focused, but I got up to, you know, then off the top kind of, you clank the glass whatever right it's been a while since i did like just in person public speaking yeah and i was ready to be a little shaky and i got up like it's just the podcast it's whatever yeah at this point i can't do much i am dumb as a brick but this is like it's it comes second nature yeah the um we've definitely got some hours in doing something oh and thank you for everybody that listened and posted the spotify wrapped yeah hours speaking of

inconceivably large numbers of hours yeah we are recording this on the day that spotify wrapped dropped and there are a lot of so by the, we're on Spotify, if people didn't know. It is a pretty convenient place to listen to the podcast. And the video versions of the podcast are there. So, if that interests you, then go for it. Lots of people have Sad Boys in their Spotify wrap. We got a lot of people who it's their top podcast a lot of people listening for more time than we've released podcast more times than we've recorded met about yeah uh which is cool by i would i mean i guess i should there's no rap for uh you know youtube as a consumer of youtube yeah but i would be really curious what my hours

are and kind of my casual background listens but i don't have a show channel anything that would eclipse i don't know a thousand minute oh i watch so much youtube i think i i don't have maybe not a single thing like a single channel it's the only entertainment i like i just justified i just put katie on my youtube uh premium family plan because i'm like i know there's a mental barrier to get there but when i look at my little youtube premium stats and i just see like 200 000 background play hours it tells you that uh yeah if you're on the premium section just hold on wait live i'm gonna do this and i believe it's all time oh this is about to be very wild um oh yeah oh here we go here we go yeah do you have any guesses for me so it so it goes add free videos and then it says a number

of hours and then background play and a number of hours i've been a youtube premium member since october 2020 but it's worth noting that i have had youtube premium since the beginning because i had google music beta in 2014 so i i still pay 7.99 for youtube music and youtube premium because i've been grandfathered in or whatever and it says like under your name right member since all the way back then uh it it doesn't say it here because they've changed what it means but premium member since october 23rd 2020 but so so it's only counting since october 2020 because mine for whatever reason has maybe oh it's because i upgraded i guess for the family plan to add katie to it but mine is only from uh october 29th of this year oh so my numbers are a lot lower now oh yeah yeah yeah um i don't know two thousand hours two thousand hours which would be two thousand divided

by 24 is basically a hundred days right uh that would be like that'd be 83.3 days 83.3 days of just straight listening right okay so and then there's background play so there's how many ad-free videos you've watched and then how many videos listen to in the background ad-free videos i have listened to 6 570,000 how many 6,570 is 273 days so of the last three years one third of that has been watching

YouTube videos in some capacity and then background play is 1650 hours I mean mine is boned I wish I'd taken a screenshot my old one because now it is in the last month and a half or whatever uh just it's like 110 hours on ad free videos well but like the reason this is actually super relevant is because every time spotify wrapped comes around okay the past couple years, probably since I got YouTube Premium,

this is not an ad for YouTube Premium, by the way. It's just, I like knowing the numbers and this is embarrassing. But- And we can also justify the expense as a professional expense. Oh, absolutely. If we record something on stream

and you just do something on gold or my job, we don't want to do ads for other people while we are watching something. Yeah, again, I am also grandfathered into an eight dollar a month plan so i have been incentivized to not let that go for for i think you get a lot of value you know it's like you get a spotify competitor in youtube music which it's not as good as spotify but it's something and then um i tell you no it's not an ad by the way i had zero seconds of spotify of youtube music yeah oh yeah my youtube music was three less than three hours or something like that and you know

why there's there's even three hours is because uh when youtube music beta came out the entire it was a time when itunes was still around and itunes for those who don't know is a place where you would store your music library the files so uh which is it's like a it's like if you downloaded music if you downloaded the music and you had the individual little mp3 file like a computer yeah and so what you would do is you would take cds and you would buy you'd buy a cd you'd buy the killer's hot fuss right of course and you'd put it into your cd player and then you'd put it you'd open up iTunes or you'd put it into your computer you'd open up iTunes iTunes would scan the grace the grace note music library to tell you to recognize oh these are the killers this

is the killers album and here's the names of all the songs and then you can import it and then it would scan that import all the songs into your library and then you'd have those little files sitting in your itunes library and then you would like have to plug in physically your uh ipod and it would like sync sync in now for those confused that is some of the letters of iphone and i can see it kind of, it's close. But an iPod is, it's basically a device for music, but only prepared in advance. So imagine an iPhone without the phone. Without most of the stuff.

And then that was the iPod touch. And then before that it was, it had a little, it had a little click wheel and it was basically just menus through your folders of music so and then and unlike this screen that was revolutionary when it came out on a screen that is like it was eclipsed by the game boy advance yeah it actually was maybe one of the higher dpi it actually uh because i had the i the first i got ipod video in middle school for like christmas and um it was

maybe the highest dpi screen i had ever seen at that point and i'd pirated no i didn't pirate it i uh never i synced my ipod with russell my friend russell's uh itunes and i got uh all these episodes of the office and i did pirate stuff as well uh statute of limitations is out baby um and so i would watch the office uh before it was on netflix before it became passe or whatever to like the office it was still airing at the time i'm old and i would line the office which is a show that was on yeah television which is like a box that is kind of like a computer which is what your phone is now um so anyway uh we got away from the plot here which is uh on your ipod on my iphone why did i say iphone we heard you talk about the music video so the reason or the

reason that i was using the google music beta is because they pitched themselves as the cloud itunes so you could upload all of your music to the cloud iTunes. So you could upload all of your music to the cloud. Nowadays that sounds like a honey pot for finding pirates and like prosecuting them. But it was like upload, it was very much in the beginning of the cloud solving all problems. Oh, just put it in the cloud.

And the cloud is just computers that someone else owns. There are no clouds involved made out of magic um you'd upload your music to like google servers and then you'd be able to stream it anywhere so you didn't need to lug around your gigabytes which was big at the time of music library and the reason that i did this was because to this day there are like i used to collect rare mp3s i used to collect like live like performance recordings rare b-sides unreleased songs and uh those would go in my itunes library and then there'd be no way to stream those or mix tapes off of like dat piff that you couldn't that weren't on streaming websites so that still is a problem to this day and uh which showing your friends when you are

the one that cracked the code that feels like national treasure like the da vinci code of getting access to like a hidden track and i never use album and so and and then the the thing is all of this i'm i'm pretty sure that all of this feature is gone now. Like it's been gone for many years, but your uploaded music, YouTube still has to keep it around because otherwise they're deleting people's like history of their lives. Oh, good point. So over time, they started replacing songs that they could recognize with like higher bitrate quality so they could only keep one one copy of it on their servers for example but the stuff that they didn't have they couldn't replace so to this day I that's where my old podcast when I was 14 is the random loaded the rain a podcast it's on it was on my iTunes which was on my Google Music which is now on my youtube music um and then like you know old

random songs and stuff are still on my uploads like there's an uploads section on youtube music that you know and i'd never open this app but if you go to my library okay hi javis what are you doing here yeah there's the random podcast but yeah i'm on you can go to uploads and it's the logo for the random podcast yeah it's uh it's go to uploads. Can you see the logo for the random podcast? Yeah, it's an upside down R because we're so random. And then it's a P. It looks like the Playboy Bunny is the main feedback we got. God, that's twisted.

But even like this Drake album art here, or that's some other stuff, that Drake album art is a fan-made mixtape pre So Far Gone coming out in 2009 or like these are like rips of like i made a playlist of utada hikaru songs called utada singles i don't know as well so that i could learn them you have a workflow yeah these are my on the go playlists from itunes so like on the go oh god yeah itunes would like make these playlists or you could make these playlists like like i'm about to leave the house i'm gonna make a playlist on the go or

whatever and uh they were basically like oh i'm about to this is what i'm this is my list of things i want to listen to and i still have 52 at least on the go playlist that i had at the time this one is on the go 52 it's three jonathan colton songs um on the go it's a pretty short on the go yeah it's on the go to my bedroom on the go 23 the episode uh 254 of dies and shoe ex the dragon ball uh podcast which has now become uh cons and shoe ex and it's still running by the way shout out to them shout out to mike labrie the cheeto ex and the muggle cast and the muggle cast also still going uh shout out to um andrew but what is his uh his he's got a great name um jordan i'm for andrew sims and his like twitter at is sims

yeah yeah shout out shout out to muggle cast back in the day um your shout out to the comedy button shout out to me uh drawing down ideas for an arctic monkeys music videos while I was on the bus. Shout out to me not getting laid. Shout out to the band. Hey, Monday headed up by Cassidy Pope, who would later win the voice and become a country pop singer. But when she was in the pop punk days, I was fucking with.

Hey, Monday. Hello. All right. Well, that's enough of a, you gotta have logic bangers a playlist by me this will never well oh geez oh oh how about this playlist code to this and it's uh it starts with my uh my code to this playlist is six foot, seven foot by Lil Wayne. Confessions part two.

Insane shift by Usher. So appalled by Kanye West. Sleazy by Kesha. Grenade by Bruno Mars. What is this playlist, dude? Katy Perry, one of the boys. That's a sick song. Shout out Katy Perry.

But anyway, yeah. So all of this is to say, these days i'm not listening to music very much and it makes me feel like a weirdo it definitely feels like i have less appreciation now that not just you know well look how accessible everything else is now but more in an option paralysis thing where like i guarantee i'm checking my spotify wrapped thing maybe we'll check it out on the patreon well listen my spotify wrapped i'll tell you it's embarrassing and i'm open to sharing it with our patrons on patreon.com slash sad boys that's where i'll leak it but like youtube premium you're not obliged to check it out we uh it's just entertainment for money this show's free i guarantee whatever my spotify wrapped is this

year is almost identical to last year. Because I have my downloaded albums. I have my original soundtracks and stuff that I specifically listen to if I kind of want to learn production a little bit. Like I want to try and listen for like little nuances and see if I can recreate them in something. But if I am for just entertainment and hanging out, it is the same playlist as it has been for four years every now and then i'll hear something new add it to the slaps playlist oh and i will just i'll turn it on while i'm home i'll stick it on the alexa and then all of a sudden like a like strange like a health noise rock track comes on and the alexa can't handle it like this it just sounds wrong i'm like sorry, Ethan. I screwed up the vibe.

I'm so sorry about the vibe. Everyone hates me. My apologies about the vibe. How you doing, dude? What the fuck is up? I'm doing... Sorry, that was really aggressive. Well, hey.

Sorry, I'll try again. Try it again. How you doing, you bastard rat? Oh, okay. No, that's nice and inviting. It's cute. I'm doing good. I'm glad you asked me because I was like, I definitely want to talk about how we're doing today.

And sometimes we don't. But one thing is that for a med update, first of all, I got my medicine finally my medicine finally i got my be done they said it couldn't be done vivance went generic and then there was a bull run towards the the every pharmacy in america to the hype beasts were up for his dextrampetamine or whatever the fuck it is and i couldn't get it for a while we called all the pharmacies around eventually found it I was able to get a prescription at the pharmacy and uh so I got it so so did you go to like a little pharmacy far away or something do you like not that far away but but yeah it was like not the normal one it very much feels like I'm hitting the snooze button for 30 days until like the mad dash of next month comes but there's that I also I had a like when I got my

when I got my deviated septum surgery I stopped taking unintentionally actually stopped taking my like in like anxiety medication, like that also helps with depression. It's like kind of just supposed to help with everything. And I was in bed for the better part of a week, like not really moving or doing anything. And I didn't, I was just sleeping and I wasn't thinking about medication or routine or all of my routine was kind of shot. And I didn't, I was just sleeping and I wasn't thinking about medication or routine or all of my routine was kind of shot. And, you know, especially with ADHD, but not even to prescribe anybody, the lack of routine can really disrupt your everything. And for me, the lack of routine disrupts my everything. So I forgot to take this medication. Then like weeks went by,

I realized I forgot to take it, but then I was scared to pick it back up because i wasn't sure because with these medications i like feel like before i talk before anything happens i need to talk to my psychiatrist make sure it's okay and there's a ramp up process exactly and because i needed to send that email that's another executive function thing on the plate where i'm like i need to do this and then i need my anti-anxiety medication so i can send this email to get it exactly and i didn't do it and then more time went by and then wait that you don't have i've answered this point is this crossing over with that well yeah uh i i haven't i've been making do without being able to fill the prescription. Fortunately, I like was able to stretch out some stuff.

But yeah, for whatever reason, the email didn't get sent. And until this past week, I finally sent it because I was like, at a certain point, I was like, oh, let's just see how I do without it. I should be fine. But I found myself, first, I found myself really sad around TwitchCon. I think I talked about it. It was a very dark time for me. I now think that was maybe withdrawals from the medication.

And then recently, I've been finding my mood being way more spiky. And that is something that the medication is supposed to help with. So it's like- Is it a stabilizer specifically? It's not. I actually do not know help with. So it's like... Is it a stabilizer specifically? It's not. I actually do not know what type of medication it's classified as. Let me Google it. I mean, success is always basically the same.

Used to treat major depressive disorder. Its effectiveness is viewed similar to that of other antidepressants. All right. So let's go with that. I wasn't sure if it was an SSRI, so I didn't want to say it without knowing. But... Antidepressant for people who yeah yeah yeah uh it's like a serotonin uptake inhibitor something yeah so recently i was like i've been having a few extremely spiky days where the wrong thing hits me at the wrong time and my mood is completely shot and I am outside of myself knowing that it's like not reasonable that it's happening, but I'm like not able to do anything

about it. I go, Oh, Oh God, this is awful. And I feel so bad. Oh man, I wish I didn't feel like, you know how people are like, Oh, just don't depression is not real. Just don't feel the feelings or whatever. Shut up. Like people who say that, like you're wrong. You know, know you can like i can intellectualize all of it and know exactly what to do in the right moment and still not be able to sure like yeah the only thing we can be capable of is how we displace that like if we then get aggressive with other people then that's like that's where we're culpable yeah and it's like you're culpable for your actions. But thankfully, nothing impacted other people to my knowledge. I don't think I think maybe I was a little bit more short with people when like things would go wrong or maybe I was less. Normally, I'm very like make sure everybody's doing good.

Maybe I was like a little bit more terse and things like that. But I people in my life, let me know. I think it's more I just go internal. everybody's doing good maybe i was like a little bit more terse and things like that um but i uh people in my life let me know i i think it's more i just go internal with that stuff and i um now that i've identified what is probably the problem i did get that email shot off uh my psych was like actually you do you should ramp back up. So started a lower dose. So we got me prescribed a lower dose again and we're going to work our way back up. So I'll see you in 90 days or whatever, however long it takes to like rebalance everything. a little bit more like uh it's it was for sure doing something yeah because one of the things about medication is that for me i i can't always tell if i'm experiencing anything different it's like really good cosmetic surgery yeah if you can't notice that's good that's the working one and people are like yeah plastic surgery never works it's like well only because you know the

bad ones yeah they're i can always tell, type B or whatever. It's like, hey man, if especially passive and like ambient medication that's just supposed to make you feel all right, that is not responsible for making you happy, it's just responsible for letting you become happy. I almost said, I've had plastic surgery, can you guess where but then realized

that that would invite so much conversation and input about my body that I don't want but I want to cut that no even no I'll say I had a gynecomastia surgery in 2016 because I had like hard tissue under my breasts that like I like lost a bunch of weight and I was like feeling really good about my body but I had this like hard tissue and so it like like I didn't feel comfortable in my body I didn't feel like it didn't feel I didn't feel right it's not it's not something you fix with exercise it's like it's not something you fix with like it's unfortunately you can't fix it with exercise it's like usually's not something you fix with like it's unfortunately you can't fix it with exercise uh it's like it usually happens uh with guys like hormonally like when they're like around puberty time and uh there's no real health risks but it is a medical thing

so it's funny because i i had to pay for out of pocket. It's like the first big thing I did with my money as a young, fresh out of college, finally making adult purchases type thing. We knew each other. We knew each other. It was basically the winter after I started Patreon. So it'll be about, let's see, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23. So it'll be about seven years since I had that. And every single day I've thought about it and been happy. I did it. It's very much gender affirming care. It's very much like, I feel like so much more comfortable in my body and my body makes sense to me. It's's like it's like weird having like a little like giant like it was like the size of a golf ball like um like thing under my chest and it was

crazy and like um and it's a thing i never talk about uh it's a thing no one notices no one cares uh i've told people and then they go oh i never would have and i'm like yeah well um it's kind of the thing it's not it's reaffirming for you it's reaffirming for me what it's affirming nobody i have had a history of like body image issues and this was something that like helped me so much that i could never tell someone what to do with their body and like and it's just like but like for me it was like every day i used to do with their body. And like, and it's just like, but like for me, it was like every day I used to do this. I used to like pull my shirt up because I was like,

it's like folding into my like stuff. And I like, don't want like, it makes me aware of my physical form. And like, I just like, don't want to think about my body too. I want my body to like be a sort of aspect of me that I like take care of and I like live in and I honor,

but at the same time, I don't wanna like think about the way I exist externally in the world. And that was something that like helped me with that a lot. Especially if you're like the explanations you're getting for what you should look like are, I mean, at least for me, maybe this is also like not growing up with a primary male figure in this, you know, where we grew up. Like I, my only rule set for what was like aesthetically masculine

was movies and TV and very early on was wrestling, which is like not a good reference point to have, especially when like you know not like i'm like a white guy you know you don't you don't build a certain way maybe yeah and uh yeah i mean shout outs to people that have even even more complicated scenarios to try and figure out yeah definitely um but i will say just because i feel like people hearing this might find help in it uh just knowing that someone that they like are aware of has gone through this uh and you you witnessed this uh i had to wear like a compression vest

for like six months or something like that like um where and it was like i had different ones and i would try to like hide it under my clothes but i was never that concerned about it because it was like I was like I finally felt like myself under like it was like my external and like my external self reflected my internal self. And I think also that's like I'm all for accepting your body as you are. I think it's a, it's another thing. Oh, another thing I'll say is like, I jokingly say plastic surgery, but like some people wouldn't consider it plastic surgery because it is like, um, it is, it is elective surgery. Uh, and it's non, uh, what's the word? It's like a, it's a, it's a condition that isn't harmful sure to have so so insurance doesn't cover it so you have to like pay for it out of pocket yeah i know there's a lot of dicey words in there i suppose

there's no debilitating element yeah but there's like a term that they use but i can't think of it but anyway like a prosthesis or a burn solution or something like that yeah yeah it's like this is something that's like a you don't you're at no risk if you have this condition uh and so for insurance they're like well your life is not at risk so we're not going to cover it or your health is not at risk there's a pretty good parallel between what you were saying about meds honestly it's a sure you could live the rest of your life not addressing this thing but it is a i mean we both had it with our teeth at one point right yeah i was going to mention that you want to live.

Sure, it doesn't seem to be getting in the way. It doesn't seem to be like preventing making friends or like feeling attractive in other ways. But I like, I smile pretty big and I laugh pretty big. Yeah, yeah. And I can't do small chuckles you know me like something really gets me i'm like crying yeah wide open crawling on the floor crawling the floor dying dying like a phoenix laughing with tears in my eyes and then rising stronger than ever no

disease actually and i it is i hated the feeling of 10% of my brain being like, stop laughing, your teeth look stupid. I was like, ah. Although we were in a photo booth last night. And when we were taking it, we were like so happy. And at one point I was just like, I went like, no, ah. And I opened my mouth wide. And that's like nice in the same way that, yeah,

there are a lot of conscious decisions and lifestyle techniques you can use to feel better if you are an anxious person or a depressive person. I can only project for ADHD and bipolar too, but in both of those cases, sure. But also, you're giving yourself a ceiling if you're always going to have that anxiety and you're fighting it. You're using half your brain to wake up every day and go like, all right, one of my procedures, I'm self-conscious about this issue. If you never do meds, you don't, not that everyone should,

but if you never take, never try every path, then you could spend your whole life blaming yourself for something that you really weren't responsible for. If you didn't educate yourself on like medically why you, I forget the term, that you had like the the tissue oh the gynecomastia thing if you didn't look into that and understand what it was you could have spent your life blaming yourself for not working out right yeah yeah or something well these are things that like everyone's gonna process this stuff differently and so whatever you want to to do, you know, it's your body. And

I mean, yeah, you could have this thing. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. If you don't care, then it doesn't matter. There's no moral value to one way or the other. But one thing I will say, because like I am in no way like I just want people to feel agency with their with their own bodies.

But for me, every day of my life, I thought about my teeth, particularly like I couldn't. I say this a lot, but it's like I wasn't just fixing the gap in my teeth. I could not bite down. Biting an apple. Yeah. Biting an apple. That was so sick. Oh, every time I bite into a hamburger, I like look at it and I go, damn, that's a bite. in my teeth i could not bite down biting an apple yeah biting up and i was so sick uh oh i every

time i bite into a hamburger i like look at it and i go damn that's a bite that's a whole thing that's like in the movies you can put this on that damn i like truly to this day it's i had my braces on for like three or four years now and i still every single bite i take i think about it in a positive way and that is so cool to be able to like reframe something where I'm like, I used to like be biting down and like sliding around or using the side of my mouth because those were the teeth that touched that I could bite with to like not having to do that. It's like still a thing I think about all the time. I was going to use crest white strips and they just couldn't,

it bumps up and down. I'd clean 5% of the teeth at the time. If people um well like one thing that i've heard in the past i don't know what the climate is on this today but people are like oh you know like these types of surgeries blah blah or these types of treatments they're like a slippery slope because you want to fix this that and the other thing i it's been seven years uh since i got this surgery and it's like i've never once thought about going under the knife for any i like i feel like i that was like i did it i like you know you know mission accomplished and then and then braces was a thing more about um how am i gonna live as an adult having braces

and then it turns out that no one gave a shit yeah yeah plus there we've talked in the past there is that similar to when you said you were wearing the binding but what oh the um the vest oh the uh compression vest yeah there you know when you you say that out loud it could be like a oh you're self-conscious about the compression vest but i do think it's buff like buffered by the fact that you're making progress like initially initially I get the Invisalign on, I've got little things on my teeth, I'm doing so and so. I, nothing had changed yet.

First set, three days. I almost immediately stopped being self-conscious about my teeth because it's happening. It's happening. You're doing something about it. I'm not self-conscious about like, it's gonna be the rest of my fucking life I'm gonna feel this way.

That is such a powerful concept that when you're um you know it's like if you're an out of shape person at the gym like you're doing you're you're working on it so like like when i'm out of shape at the gym frankly i am out of shape and i haven't been at the gym and i'm trying to get back into being healthy and stuff uh i don't think about what uh like where i'm not because i'm on the path sure and i think that that's like a really powerful thing to remember because if you're on the path you're on the path and that's like something that you can like in like encourage yourself because it's so hard to get yourself to do something and if you've been on the path in the past you know it's like a leverable thing you can do yeah i'm getting out

of shape but i got in shape before and nothing's changed yeah i mean that's a big thing for me uh because i uh i think i gained like let 40 pounds, uh, basically entirely during the pandemic. And then I've kind of just like, kind of, oh, I've been like slowly losing weight recently, but, and then I like lost a little bit for creator class, but then I had like a lot of trouble losing weight um and i and i uh actually um weight stuff is weird because i don't want to sort of average i don't want anything to come off as like an unhealthy thing i'm just talking about my own experience and i'm not being prescriptive about what anybody else should do but when i was a metric and it's the one you use it's yeah and it's also um i wanted to just be healthy and i

and i also just like didn't feel comfortable in my own skin i think a lot of it's also, um, I wanted to just be healthy and I, and I also just like, didn't feel comfortable in my own skin. I think a lot of it's like not feeling comfortable in your skin, not feeling able in my body. These are things that like I wanted to feel. And, um, and I, I lost like 50 pounds when I was like 21. And then I, uh, biggest fear was it all coming like i every the dam breaking and like gaining all that weight back and it did take a global pandemic you know because it's like it's like i you know i i my lifestyle and stuff i was like feeling really good uh the peak was probably

like right after i got that surgery but then um peak of how you felt about how it felt about my body and stuff and then uh it was very scary for things to like go quote unquote downhill because you can frame it negatively it can be a negative narrative that you have in your head which which at times i did i'm no saint like it's like you know practice makes perfect over here. And, uh, uh, and so I remember feeling like worse and worse about my body and worse and worse about myself and like that I wasn't doing anything about it, but eventually, and especially when I was doing creative class and I felt like I was being active, I was being healthy. Um, and I just was the weight that I was, I felt like a lot more comfort with it. And I think I'm still like not where I want to be. And like, I don't know if it's fair to say this,

but like, I'm not like in the perfect place, but I'm a lot more happy with my body as it is. And as I am now, and I think that's like a much healthier place to be than to be like beating yourself up for not achieving some sort of like goal sure and i think we also know that it's not it's not just not necessarily it's often not just willpower that's getting in the way yeah that's just not like in both of our cases, medication has been very impactful, but also quality of life, but also experience telling you not to be burdened, stress, day to day life travel.

Yeah. Global pandemic. Big factor too. There are so many contributing factors that I think like when you are younger and you can extrapolate that however you want. You can just call it like less experience, regardless of age or whatever. If you start a new job, for example,

there, when you feel doubtful or you feel negative or you're struggling with something, the, our brains are built to try and prescribe it to something. Like the mystery is the worst possible scenario. Right. If you don't have a thing, an actual tangible thing

that you've experienced in the past, you've been, not to be over-medicalized, but been diagnosed with, for example, an experience you've had in the past that was reflective and you got out of later, you only have you to blame. The only target your brain has is guilt as opposed to like annoyance.

Like when I get like a little, I got some pain right now because I haven't been taking care of the EDS stuff. My knees are struggling a little. I'm not ashamed of it. I have been in the past. But because I'm like, you know what it's been like. I was always figuring out my meds, haven't been going to the psych enough. There are foundations I know I have to build

before I do something new and more challenging. I've never done, I'm supposed to have done physio therapy in my whole life. I haven't done it for like 15 years. There is, I know that if something is for me, if something would benefit me

and I'm unable to do it, that is not laziness or selfishness if you can't get up and go and get a glass of water and your throat is dry and you're stuck in bed that's not laziness or a lack of care yeah yeah because it's only for you right you want the water yeah you want the thing there is no like that i use that examples because literally specifically for some reason that was the clicking moment for me where i was i was just really thirsty and i was having this cycle years ago at this point but this cycle of i am i suck i'm so lazy i'm so selfish yeah which makes no sense as a type of guilt it's about myself it's so easy to that narrative is so easy to jump into though because society to like is not

like the messages that we hear in the world are not one size fits all yeah a lot of it's like pick yourself up by your bootstraps well people are in different situations you know how about we meet people where they are it's such a funny phrase because it literally means something impossible yeah yeah i can't wanted to ask you, how are you doing? I know you just got back from, well, Thanksgiving just happened. Yeah, hey. Thank you for your service. And you went to the Midwest maybe for the first time?

First time? Ooh, well, Chicago. Oh. But I have this, like, I think when you go to a conference it's not even going no also chicago is a big city yeah it was uh it honestly dude uh it was cold it was very cold it was also like chicago isn't really in the midwest it's well i mean even uh michigan rowan is on eastern time it's like yeah i mean really midwest yeah i was like it says midwest here but yeah but yeah midwest is just a tactful way of not calling that part of the country the middle east yeah that's if you

look at a map of where the midwest is it's not in the middle of the west i was always very confused like when people would try and describe it to me i didn't quite understand how it worked it's um if you look at basketball conferences because the basketball conferences are um in the east and the west and most of the teams in the west are not on the west coast i could if you zoom into just the the midwest i can see these ghosts like you can't hide all of it yeah that is not that is middle america there's less west it's the north north middle middle i'd say the entire west isn't in it oh you know why it's probably called the midwest because of like westward expansion because like because like all the 13 colonies were like on the east coast and then they were like the we have to do what does it manifest destiny and we have to do, what is it, manifest destiny, and we have to venture west.

And so it's west in terms of East Coast is what defined America to start, and then everything else was going westward. That makes sense. That's where the Oregon Trail- I don't know that for sure, but in my mind, that's- That's where Oregon Trail's going through. Yeah.

That's the adventure or the quest or whatever. Yeah, it was nice. I went over for my partner's thanksgiving met met her family that was nice went to a very a nice wedding the most traditional wedding i've been to and it really made me notice how i i don't know all the the christian catchphrases like i don't know the and also with your spirit and stuff oh that. Oh, I don't know that stuff. I think that maybe Catholic. It's. Or it's a different, like, it's not one that I went to like Baptist, Christian Baptist, like church. And that wasn't, that was something that I didn't.

It's definitely partially Catholic. I think it's American prod. It's like. Oh, right. Okay. Or maybe, I don't know. I actually don't know. Like I didn't go out of my depth here.

Stay by stay regional or whatever. Church of England, which is the one that Henry V I don't know if there's blend. I actually don't know. Like, I didn't go out of my depth here. Stay by Stay Regional or whatever. Church of England, which is the one that Henry VIII made so that he could get divorced. Legend. He specifically built it for that purpose, but it's kind of a conglomerate of some Catholic beliefs, some Protestant beliefs, and then it's kind of adopted as the default. I grew up doing, I was never religious, neither was my family, but my elementary, middle school, you would do hymns in the morning. Like it was all kind of there.

I never thought about it critically. I'm just like, yeah, it's cool, whatever you say. God, none of that was any use at all. It's like now if you like go back and look at curriculums, you're like, what is this new math? They made a new number. I felt like I was insane. And every now and then people would, they'd do this, which is very, I believe that's Catholic.

That's Catholic. Oh, yeah, yeah. Their little Mary, Mother, what's going on? We'll give them up there. I just don't even, I think I know what it is, but now I'm like so scared to be wrong. Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost. Yeah, the Holy Trinity, right? Yeah.

Oh, and they hit me with the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And I had ghosts coming out of my mouth. the holy guy the big guy and then upstairs huh woman or hate these days dude these friggin who knows who knows this is i believe a matt rife part of his stand-up oh my god but yeah it was nice the trip itself was nice i am thrilled to not be getting on a plane for more than a month i've been flying so and not for fun reasons i've been going back to the uk right yeah about that the only travel i would be doing is going to uh the pokemon go tour event um that's going to be happening in february but it's in la baby let. Let's go. Let's fucking travel. Jealous.

Get good, baby. But yeah, overall positive. I mean, it's really, this is going to sound crazy, or maybe it doesn't. I mean,

everybody's different with grief or whatever. It is so, even during the funeral, my mom, dad, people don't, I don't know, welcome.

Should have gone to the Squid Game time. This is your punishment. That was the speech thing I mentioned earlier. And like, I have had such a long, it's been such a long kind of process. You know, 2021 was the stroke and it's been kind of going on ever since. I was, I'm sure people say this of going on ever since i was i'm sure

people say this all the time i legitimately was i'd grieved i was like very good me and my aunt we was us all the way through it yeah we're set on it it's never easier to scar not a not a you know can't hide it forever but right i don't know i got back and we almost a week later went up to the midwest i've been flying back and forth to UK before. Yeah. Well, the whole time all I could think is like, it's nice to be at a new place. Yeah. Oh, there's a Pokemon community. We're going to go out with Katie's sister. I've never met her before.

This is fun. This is what's going on. Yeah, that's really nice. That's really nice. And I was just like, I kept waking up with like one of three pop songs in my head. And they are the ones we played at the funeral. And I don't wake up like, those dark songs.

It's instead like a, cause they were pretty happy songs. I just wake up and I'm like, oh, vibe dude, nice vibe. And then I remember, and then I feel weird for not being sad. Yeah, but that's, you have to like come in then and remind yourself that,

that grieving is all valid you know i mean thank god i'm not sad i should just appreciate whatever yeah exactly but also like to me and please correct me if i'm wrong because this is a big leap i just as a friend uh and a friend who's like sort of in the neighborhood of things like this happening, there could be like a form of closure there where it's like, there's the ramp up, there's the anticipation, there's the grief, the eventuality.

And when something becomes an eventuality and an expectation, then the grieving process can have begun already. You know what I mean? But like there were tutorials before I started the game. You're bracing yourself for impact, but you actually have already kind of put on your flotation device or whatever. So when you don't plunge underwater, you're surprised.

They're right. You're like, okay, this worked as intended. You know, and it's like, okay, but obviously like, if anything changes, that's also a part of it, you know and it's like yeah okay but obviously like if if anything changes that's also a part of it you know because it's uh it's it's kind of like that thing of um what progress looks like or what people think progress looks like and it's a straight line and what it actually looks like is like this yeah so it's like that for grief you know weirdly i remember jack uh conti patreon co-founder uh we used to work for, if you can believe it. Wow, why am I

saying it like this? I say work with, like we're peers. Who'd work at him? I did used to work, sit behind him. At home? Oh, at his home. I would sit behind him. He didn't know I was there. No, we had a, at that very Patricon, he did a talk about the process of like his music career, but also Patreon as an extension of that and where he was with it now.

And I can never remember it one for one. I wish I could, maybe I can find the slideshow somewhere. But I. A lot of his talks are on YouTube too. Oh, and he's almost certainly done that one yeah yeah i mean you know uh very articulate guy i mean i uh he's the ceo of a big tech company so criticize him all you want he's a good speaker uh and a lot of his talks especially for creators are are good so very digestible but anyhow um he did a talk at that

patreon about he i can't remember he described this way but the graphic he has it's like his career experience and creative journey should look like a series of lines and instead it's like pointillism and it just goes up and it's a single dot that's so far off it's almost useless right like it's like oh it turns out that the example he gave was uh him and a friend of his were voice actors for the sims 3's teen characters yeah yeah and at the time both aspiring musicians they started a band called we have faces too right and i i can kind of see the calculus it was him he did i think it was like sims 2 he did boy and then the person who did girl yeah they they made they made uh an album together about how they are real people and not just the

voices of the sims speaking but you could i like on some level i see how you would get there i see the process i see the like the neurons firing that's but ultimately of course that didn't work like why would somebody be like oh the sims people have an album i have to get in there that's me making a video called uh jarvis johnson is the worst channel on youtube uh after making the five minute crafts video and not wanting to be like the life hacks guy and also wanting to roast myself before anyone could yeah uh now there's an audience for it at the time not so much yeah it's a tall tall it was a little bit putting the director's commentary before the movie type thing talking on the designing the red carpet when you find a title for the movie yeah

exactly yeah man hey you know i'm all right i did have a wonderful it was it was a really nice time i don't have a lot of traditional thanksgiving this is my second like traditional one because all the others like friendsgivings or like hangouts or nothing sometimes i missed it but yeah it was a chill hang very dog focused which was always good um i did have you know mentioning me sometimes when i lose my shit and i just start laughing and i just can't stop laughing and i just might like church laughter style we have it on the board wake home man um part way through me and katie we have the dog with us so so fox is in a little backpack she's been really uncharacteristically a little dog with yeah pomeranian sized pomeranian sized dog with a lot of spunk a lot of like she's juiced up and she loves social.

She's very excited about dogs and people, but also very quickly becomes overstimulated and starts barking if she can't get to them. She's very leash reactive. She's getting really good, but we'd never, she's never on a plane. She never been around that many people. So we were very anxious.

It was a spirit flight. So basically everyone could touch the damn dog. And she was so good that we eventually started like no longer looking at the bag and actually started being in the world. Right. We watched most of a season of The Lost. Yes, we did. What season are you on now?

Getting into season five. Oh, shit. We've been going crazy. Dude, season four, I think, was the one that I rewatched the most. I think season four is the best season so far. Dude, I love season four. The Desmond episode, dude. The constant, dude. Are you kidding me? Are you joking? the best season so far. The Desmond episode, dude. The constant, dude.

Are you kidding me? Are you joking? You should do a... Not Penny's Boat, dude. Oh, yeah. Incredible. It's just really exactly where I want it.

If you've never watched it, also I recommend people watch Mr. Robot because it does a lot of the same insane bullshit. I recommend. Anyhow, we are on the flame and finally,

once we start gazing around, we wrap up our season. Katie points out that there is a guy two rows ahead of us which also this is my nightmare if I'm watching something on a plane on like an iPad or something and someone behind me is watching it the fear like judging

what I'm watching or watching me watching oh my god I was just on a plane on those old virgin TVs and I'm watching a movie I was on a plane watching someone else watch the wedding at jim and pam wedding episode of the office because they had the captions on don't do that and i was like hey i haven't i haven't seen this in a while dude yeah oh god devastating i'm trying to watch john wick too and i know someone's enjoying it from a distance yeah yeah but katie pointed out that on a big like

professional scale wacom tablet which is a drawing tablet people don't know like a digital drawing tablet was watching an episode of friends in extreme 4k hd on a wacom he's got a stout stylist out he's like drawing it's friend by friend yeah he's really quick but he that's already like oh interesting okay hey man if you if you're an illustrator you have one of those and it's the one of the ones with a screen that you know media screen hey watch it go it's oh super lcd go for it he is watching friends and i started to notice every single time Joey is in a scene, he skips it. Nothing else. He fucking hated Joey.

I couldn't stop laughing. And it was the episode where Joey and Chandler, like, leave Ross's babysitting, and they accidentally leave Ross's baby on the bus. And they're like, where can we find him? Every time. There was a scene that was just Chandler. He's not watching it again.

And then Joey would come in and he'd skip it. And every time I was losing my fucking mind. Why? What could have happened? So funny. Wow. What happened? Why?

What is this relationship? Oh, my God. And then there was the last scene where the whole cast is in the roof. And he skipped until Joey left. Instead of just watching it. Oh, dude. oh dude it was i could not stop looking at it and that is so funny i'm like i can't laugh too loud because the dog's gonna wake up go nuts it's church laughter yeah we're close to people there's a guy sleeping right at the end of our aisle i i have never in my life wanted to ask more of someone on a plane and be like dude i know i know we're all tired yeah it was we just came from from the damn

freezing cold but please explain to me why what you think about joey no judgment you're not like malablanck yeah like the performance what's going on here? Is the catchphrase annoying you? We didn't talk about this on the show, but I guess we should, you know, say that Matthew Perry recently passed away and it's a huge tragedy. Wonderful performer and also a very big advocate for addiction and recovery.

He struggled in a chunk of friends. And he's like, I did not know this really you know um i guess he wasn't you know he he was doing altruistically it wasn't like pushing it as a social media user or whatever yeah but he was very yeah he was really active in philanthropy for addiction centers and research and did a lot of uh interviews sort of like an interview on pierce morgan's scummy show whatever like half a decade ago and he is very articulately just being like well you're literally just not using your brain like you're not thinking at all yeah to actually consider people's emotions you're a bad guy your face is weird you're like a melted candle well yeah it's a celebration of

life and also you know a rest in peace for for matthew perry though i have jarvis's doctor update i will forget to mention this if i don't i was just like minding my own business the other day and i got an email from my doctor and i go uh-oh and then uh we're recording this december 1st is a day or two away my doctor goes just so you know starting in december i'll be on maternity leave for like a year and i'm like oh my so my thoughts are simultaneously congrats and also i really wish i knew that my doctor would be gone for a year because that's a beautiful thing i'm i'm so excited for them to start their family i feel like i'm not allowed to have a problem with this uh but i do have to say as a patient an anxious one uh i don't there's nothing i can do to prepare

for this now because i just have to talk to someone else about all of my problems. God, that's so like, this is like when a package gets stolen or something. And I do just go from like, Hey, you know, live and let live to like, we should have the death penalty and there should be CCTV cameras everywhere. It's a thing where it's like, I absolutely have no, no problem with it. But, uh, I should send the baby to a facility until I am. As a patient,

I'm like, let go. I have to go. I have to go. Let go of the fact that this is the person who has all of the context on all of your sleep and fatigue stuff. Okay. Let go of that.

Let go of that. I am free. You are free. You are free. It is okay. It is okay. Congrats. Oh my God.

How long you said? No, but it it's like i have no problem with any like i hope it's clear what i'm saying here that like i have no problem with any of it except for uh i'm being selfish in this moment but i will say that like i just wish i had a little bit more of a day than a day because it is harder it's hard to get any sort of doctor's appointment within a 24-hour period about anything um but it's fine everything's everything's fine i'm just i'm just i'm just joking it is i mean i mean shout out to the everything else about the u.s medical system i think it's i mean i'm glad that they have some so much maternity leave that's fucking sick yes i mean california has very yeah it's great tissues has very good um protocols and so i i'd advocate for more i'd advocate for everyone i want everybody to spend all the time with their kids yeah a good friend of us got um

he worked from home and then the other partner uh worked remotely would have to travel a lot and uh he got a ton of paternity leave yeah it was and they got to do all the adaptation they got to like first kid uh been together a long time married you know only a few years ago moved semi-recently there's a lot to adapt to and they got to do that they got to do it's a beautiful thing when like yeah the parents can be it's like seems ridiculous to have this not be the standard but that the parents can be present can both be present and not be stressed about like all the external factors of like putting food on the table and stuff because you were doing a thing that is like a very very difficult thing to do because more often than not you have you work for

an organization that giving you that time would be just not even a noticeable dot on their revenue they could easily afford it so that you have like you know the right that all people should have to like have a child uh yeah shout out to america or whatever um cool uh the there's also matt rife update it was just a celebrity plastic surgeon who who knows if they have any sort of association with matt rife posted a tiktok which is just like that's a whole thing this the snarky surgeons of tiktok is like a weird this is a weird space or the the plastic surgeons who like find somebody who's like minding their own business. And they're like, here's how I would fix their face. Okay.

Day one. Buccal surgery. Nasty. Yuck. Look at them. Take out the jaw. Replace it with a pterodactyl fossil jaw. Give them nice masculine energy.

No hands. No hands on back. Yeah. Reverse the hands. Reverse the butt. Reversal surgery. on back yeah reverse the hands reverse the butt reversal surgery um and so this guy posted me after creating the greatest jawline ever seen just for my patient to get canceled right after and i think he hashtagged some stuff about stand-up comedy but the weird thing is that matt rife responded yeah that's a bad call like because i guess all the comments were like tagging him and

stuff which is also ridiculous but uh this person could have just been engagement farming you know what i mean um it was just like fucked up by the way for them to do especially given their position but also not with a lot of unless that screenshot was taken very early that's 261 likes on tiktok yeah it wasn't a super yeah i don't know what the engagement level of that i mean now it's gone hella viral so who knows but um but then matt rife says allegedly i don't know if this comment is still there lying about medical history is illegal just fyi which is a terrible response uh this is like when he uh was like uh here's a link to my apology and it was like that merch yeah this is you're a comedian you should be able to banter you should be able to razz them back

this is weak there's too many there's too many implications because like now his joke implies that there is he would that this guy would know something about his medical history right and if he knows anything about his medical history there's hippo which would be he would, this guy would know something about his medical history, right? And if he knows anything about his medical history, there's HIPAA, which would be, he would be in violation of. So it's like, there's so many things where it's like, you shouldn't have responded at all. Should have had more raise if you did.

It could have been like LMAO calling HIPAA RN. You know what I mean mean like like like maybe maybe if you're gonna reply it's just like no one now now everyone thinks it's real now everyone thinks you got this guy to do your jaw uh and we don't know if and it doesn't matter this is actually ties back and it doesn't matter if matt rife has had any sort of plastic surgery. That is not who cares.

It's it's more. This is a very strange, very strange post by the surgeon. And then Matt Rife shouldn't have responded. I don't know why he did that. It's a little bit of an own goal. It's very it's poor self-preservation. Because if it's very it's poor self-preservation because if if it's but then also i get that he doesn't want people to uh to like like look at his body and try to guess if he's had any work

done like that i wouldn't wish that wish that on anyone um and but if that is your goal don't that is the most damage you can do like i i'll say maybe he's in a lose-lose situation you know it's like regardless of context the surgeon's the worst party in that yeah this this sucks um what i will say for sure uh is he probably at this point we've crossed into a territory where like everyone feels morally okay making fun of like matt rife's appearance and stuff which is whatever yeah i don't i don't personally think it's like because he uh acted like an asshole in these instances and made light of these like horrible things we should like make fun of this other thing about him. People feel emboldened because, you know, Matt Rife's

jokes to them harm them or targeting, targeting people in a certain community. And so it's like, if you can target these people, why can't we target you? So I'm not here to pass like a moral judgment on it, but in general, commenting on people's bodies is, it sucks. This is a weird, this is a weird situation because it's it's people get into eye for an eye mode on social media and i i'm not here to i'm not here to defend matt rife i think we're more in the camp of like okay i don't care i don't care about like this in this specific example yeah but i i don't understand it's very online like way of thinking. I've never really understood why to do every single commenter or every single discourse person has to like philosophically justify being rude online. Yeah.

I don't care. Just be like, hey, you're ugly. And then someone's like, that's kind of inappropriate. Like, well, actually, you don't need to justify it. You can just be they'll just be like uh hey you're ugly and then someone's like that's kind of inappropriate like well actually you'll you don't need to justify you can just be mean yeah i don't care some people are just mean just and you don't have to i'm not making a moral judgment because i don't know you yeah i don't care too yeah and it's like also i'm not people's parent you know it's like i'll do what i do i'm yeah whatever somebody replied to me once like uh i just said like uh carl rittenhouse posted something like right after the mate the first

carl rittenhouse shit first happened i quote tweeted and i just said like i'm gonna flush you down the toilet or something you know like i'm gonna put you in a dog kennel like just nothing nothing it was like you know he's a minor and i'm like oh that means he can't do he can't kill people actually it's actually illegal yeah it's cool if it that and then i'm just like oh okay yeah oh sorry i don't care is the thing yeah it wasn't that i didn't you can't correct my morals and then i'll be like either but what so many people do is they go like well no let me justify the fact that he is a minor. I'm not even thinking about it. I don't care.

I don't like Kyle Rittenhouse. That's the beginning and end of the point that I'm making. If Matt Rife was 17 and made those jokes, I would still say they were cringe. Yeah, you don't like him. You're allowed not to like him. Then I don't know him. You're not calling for anything to happen.

You're just saying, I don't like the joke. Yeah, this is a mid bit. saying, I don't like the joke. Yeah. This is a mid bit. Yeah. I don't like the action. Have you seen the Tana Matt Rife clip? Yeah. That's awesome.

In the group chat, I think. The one that we knocked over. Yeah. We should play it though. It is really funny. That's the thing. I don't really hate anybody. I don't.

Here's a very humbling experience that I've. Sorry. I guess epiphany that I've had recently. Because so many fucking people hate me for really no reason. No reason. And it really made me realize that like, people only hate somebody they're jealous of. And I've been guilty of hating people. And when I really sat back and thought about it,

it was because I was jealous of where that person was in their life. I thought like maybe they got an opportunity that I should have gotten. That was a really, really good, well--rounded answer i'm trying to wrap my head around do you think people who hate osama bin laden are yeah that's the thing i don't really hate it oh it's looping rolled dude absolutely so funny i i i want to know how he responds we don't have time but oh he's like they're gonna do a bit right oh that's weird maybe he is doing i'm sure he's going to maybe but anyway um that's just such a I mean, this is actually kind of sad, in part because this is the beginning. Not to be fatalist about it or whatever.

Kind of feels like the beginning of the end for being out of touch. Like, okay, I'm doing kind of hat comedy. Hey, some of those people do that. It's a Netflix special. Maybe you lost a little bit of confidence in your more esoteric comedy. You're going to do some basic bullshit.

Whatever. Kind of some basic bitch comedy. That's fine. You're whatever. I're going to do some basic bullshit. Whatever. Kind of some basic bitch comedy, that's fine. You're whatever. I don't think it's very strong. Whatever. I don't hate you, Matt Rife. I don't know you.

The thing that every celebrity, regardless of level, does before they just become annoying is start saying that, yo, haters have become waiters. I've recently, haters, they're just lying,

they're just being mean and I don't have anything to improve about myself it's a conspiracy it's no it's weird that like it's no reason like i think that even if i was seemingly being hated on for no reason i would try to work to understand there has to be a reason i might think the reason's invalid it could not be it could be an invalid reason 100 like um so we fold up by saying because they're jealous well like people child justin bieber for invalid reasons i would say it you know because not like they didn't just wake up feeling it yeah yeah but like but like those are uh but the reasons were like of they

were like where we were as a society right like it's and and then people like if you look at how 15 year old justin bieber was treated it was absolutely absurd uh and people hate any ya stuff that is for girls there's like that exactly there's like that thing and there could be an element to that with uh with matt rife if it's like if if his audience is predominantly women and he's in the boys club that is like stand-up comedy it's you know it is still predominantly a boys club then uh maybe that that's where that hate's coming from he's interpreting it he goes this is invalid but then he like comes to the wrong conclusion which is what i think is very funny he describes it as a humbling epiphany a humbling epiphany me that everyone else is just

jealous of me yeah i actually prior to this i kind of thought that when people criticized me they were saying it for a reason but actually it's the children who are wrong it is just that simpsons bit it's just telling wait a minute but what if i'm poggers? Could it be? Okie dokie. What a devastating way to fucking live. Like, just getting like fender bendering someone and then just being like, wait, I know everything, all evidence, and every single observer would say it was my fault. But when they say that, I feel bad. So I don't think it's true's true also some people do hate for no reason oh yeah some people like doing it like nickelback jokes i would say that like a small

percentage of people and even nowadays imagine dragon jokes a small percentage of the people hate the music most people are just along for the meme you know what i mean like it's just i mean i think those people just don't even hate them really right it's like you don't really they they hate uh they love a joke it's yeah they love a joke they love a joke at the expense that presents as hate and it's if you interpret it as hate i think it's normal to interpret it that way uh but if you interpret it as hate it probably doesn't have a reason or the reason is just just that people like the joke more than they like empathizing with you. And I'm sure he's bundling

just all criticism in with hate. I don't hate Matt Rife, but I think that special is kind of doo-doo. It doesn't mean I hate him. He seems like a nice guy. He seems somewhat personable. Seems like fame is breaking his brain.

Okay, we didn't talk about it in the first episode that we talked about Matt Rife. So there's a little mini-sode on Matt Rife. Lock me up, pal. We have to address him dropping the mic. Oh, yeah. At the end of the special. He goes, i have the clip but what do i know i only do crowd work right

dude it's like parody it is like parody I, I'm not upset by the way. I'm not pissed off that people say that. I watched some old comedians like on podcasts, not to name any, but reacting to this. And like, even they were like, I didn't like the mic drop.

It's like tacky. Yeah. Uh, also I asked Jacob to pull it up. Same energy, right? On the next tab. Oh yeah. This, the old, to pull it up. Same energy, right, on the next tab? Oh, yeah, this.

My old favorite post ever. Ricky Gervais with a mic stand over his shoulders and atheist written on his chest. A crown of thorns atop his goofy ass head. Oh, my God, dude. That's wild. It's crazy. You should be required to see this in a reply every time Ricky Gervais has a bad opinion.

It's also next to a magazine caption on the cover that says insight and analysis. Africa's imaginary gay crisis. What the hell is this? Why? Tagged. What is this? Tagged. What is this magazine?

I don't want to know. We don't have time for this. All right. Dot org dot UK get out well we don't have time for that because we've got to get in to squid game time to squid it's time for squid game you've been waiting for it give me the ink we made you wait cover me in squidding so you've seen the netflix smash hit squid game a critique of capitalism and what people will do for life changing amounts of money and then at the bit at the end where he dyes his hair red i don't know what that was about yeah i mean well he's about to become the bad guy maybe season two we don't know

dude there's some advanced color theory he put the gross horns he's uh he's red so that means his auto assurance is more expensive oh no insurance um yeah so squid game hold on can we pull up the name of the squid game reality show because it's a bad name that's my first point we watched a couple of episodes there's only a couple episodes out but we watched a bunch of Squid Game. We've both brought notes. So many notes. We have not shared our notes. So this is going to be our opinions. Oh, yeah.

If you just go to images, there's like an icon for it that's like, look stupid. There it is. Oh, here we go. Squid Game, the the challenge a reality competition terror what is that dude this is like just call it squid game reality i don't know squid game the challenge actually works by itself yeah we didn't need a reality competition as the sub subtitle critique him as you will this show is doing gangbusters for netflix it's doing very well it's probably breaking all the records it needs to break which is which is a bad thing i think i mean where do we even start can we

just play the beginning of episode one it's like willie wonka in a chocolate factory going after the golden ticket wait sorry close for half a second yeah yeah that was actually my first time seven that i wrote down i'm like do you mean a game show also golden you mean every game show yeah but also willy wonka is also based on or like willy wonka is the fictional thing and then there's like the real life golden ticket with the like Wonka bars and stuff. But that's just like a promotion on a candy bar. And actual Willy Wonka is very dark. He's a terrible, he's like a bad guy.

Yeah, yeah. He's completely okay with kids potentially dying. And also he doesn't give you a bunch of money. He burdens you with a building. Well, okay. My first point is just that they worked too hard oh i guess we should explain what this is so 456 contestants compete for 4.56 million dollars in a entirely too accurate to the show squid game competition like distractinglyingly, and also, they have mimicked the Squid Game show to the point that they have reverse engineered psychological torture in the form of a game show.

Yeah. It's, like, very sad. And, yeah, so they do the stuff from the show, and then there's additional stuff, and there's twists and turns. And you start to, like a reality show show does you start to learn about the characters but every one of their stories is sad because we live in a time where we're not doing so well the economy's in the shitter people can't afford basic needs and quality of living for a huge portion of the population globally but including the u.s is down yeah this takes place in the u.s people are have student debt they have medical debt they have uh they need to take care

of their families you know people can't afford can't afford to live people can't afford especially not buy homes like there was a there was a great tweet uh that was maybe i can find it because i don't want to this is really capturing why game shows aren't fun anymore it's not money to take the family to disney anymore it's money to pay off student loan debt save the family house or finally afford to get the help your health needs met like there is no i mean that's why so few of them have pricey items like you want a new audi it's like well i'm but i'm still on the lease for my other car that doesn't solve this problem for me i would need to sell the audi immediately can we cut out the middleman and just give me cash oh Oh, this one has way higher insurance premiums because it's sick.

Thank you so much, Oprah. I guess this is my problem now that you've given me. While this is a game show, they have gone out of their way to talk about the financial strife and just the sort of down on their luck positions that the people competing are in, in order to what, drum up sadness

when they get eliminated from the show? Like what is the point? This show, and I think for a lot of pretty obvious reasons, obviously we don't have to go into it too much, is just in its bones a broken idea. Yeah. It cannot, a one-to-one or attempted one-to-one translation of Squid Game to a reality TV challenge

cannot work because most of the show is A, about not knowing what the games are going to be. It's about figuring it out. And B, is a cultural critique of something like this existing it's not only about the fact that they're killed at the end of it granted that's like the big isn't that crazy yeah they die but it's you know that's a metaphor maybe yeah it's like they die in the fact that they're just kind of sent back like them dying was the same as them just being sent back to their quality of life every main character in the show is on the risk of death even the bad guy with the big snake tattoo he was like attacked

by uh gangs on a bridge had to run away then escape every a bunch of them are allowed to choose to leave in the original show they choose to and then they all come back because of how poor their quality of life yes that is is. And this is their only option. The critique that it's making isn't that it would be bad to kill someone on a game show. That can't be it. But also there's nothing whimsical about suffering in like a very basic fixable way.

Like these are not, none of these problems are things that like some kind of tiny bit of legislature change uh better benefit and support services implemented couldn't also fix instead it's a bunch of people going like yeah i just really hope i'm able to make it to the end so that i can pay off my medical debt there is literally it starts the woman that you have all we've already shown you it starts with her saying a little bit about the dream of living without debt and spoiler alert she's immediately eliminated yeah like and that is a fucking theme of the show can we play like like uh by the way spoiler warnings for i don't know the first two episodes of the squid game reality show and for the squid game tv show because we'll you know of which on which it's based um but you

probably knew that but i think it's important to be able to talk about the the certain nitty-gritty details um oh yeah squid game the challenge we should say is a spinoff of the show squid game yeah in case you can tell it's a reality competition uh yeah go ahead and keep playing sorry can i throw one random thing yeah they um as you said there's like it's like an accurate recreation to kind of a ridiculous degree um i kept chuckling every time they would bring out the pink suited enforcer guys because i I kept thinking like, this is a mall cop. You can't fucking touch me. You can't intimidate me, dog. I think they're just like choreographers and producers.

Yeah. Like dancers or whatever. They're like people who like can do all of the like motions because they're. But they have they have reverse engineered we've worked backwards into creating the stanford prison experiment for real and and uh i would prefer if so many of the elements were fictionalized that it was actually a work of fiction and it was called squid game the show and it already exists and maybe had something to say and do yeah um but yeah they they have the they have the enforcers which i think adds to the like kind of darkness of it it has the enforcers in like little like looking at little monitors which

is for sure dramatized because it's just you know producers at their own desks or whatever um looking at the stuff but the way that they have recreated the Sanford Prison Experiment is instead of the prison guards being the ones wielding the power, it's the fucking reality show producers. And we've kind of lost the plot on reality. Reality shows have already been the rules. They've already been storylines. We've heard this story time and time again

of how producers kind of cook the stories. They tell people to say certain things they tell them to like play into certain things they set conversation topics and such which is not you know necessarily unethical or anything it's like you know a magician isn't really doing magic it's a part of it but yeah when it is it's an understood part of it from the audience or whatever. Yeah. Wrestling is kind of prescripted, but the performance is impressive. But the behavior of the producers.

It's truly evil. Like, I did not know that this, like, I've talked, I've made a career of talking about some of the sort of evils of the old you know like early you know uh early 2000s reality television this is like wow i can't believe they made this in 2023 because the degree of evil feels like it's from a bygone era it feels like it's medieval like it is um why are you oh sorry one part i'll throw out is like people have seen squid game the ultimate villains are the the benefactors of the whole thing are these you know um for the most part uh westerners the original takes place in korea and it's for the most part westerners that are fetishizing like violence and and torture and they're so desensitized to whatever you know they and

they turn up in their golden masks and to enter and they're so desensitized that they're entertaining themselves by making real people fight for bankrolling yeah death game and they watch them on high and they they turn up pretty late in the show and the point is that, hey, man, a lot of these people are kind of obliged to be like the Murdochs or other media conglomerate owners. Like Ted Sarandon, the CEO of Netflix. Something like that. It's like, yeah, those people exist in real life. It's like everything that they're commenting on. It's like everyone said this.

Everyone's already made the point that they missed the point of the show. But we're kind of trying to talk about in the ways that they missed the point of the show, which is that those people exist. They're called the VCs who invest in Netflix, the major stakeholders of the company. The people with so much equity that they can never be in poverty. It can't happen. Yeah. The executive producers who go, go, go. No, turn it up.

Turn up the because the cruel it's like turning up the cruelty meter because to them it's also the money meter there's literally no reason not to in their brain in their brain absolutely because it doesn't matter if it betrays the uh the purpose and the message of the original piece because it'll be successful you don't care about in the first place and like does it matter if it yeah i didn't care about in the first place i just seen the show we just paid the minimum rate for like acquiring somebody's thing uh and that's why you know the original creator of squid game didn't see a huge payday because he sold it to netflix for like the equivalent of pennies on the dollar

for what it generated for netflix becoming its most streamed show and there's no royalty clause in that in that contract so you know my uh this is not a critique of um the creator of squid game nor squid game the uh show because squid game the show kind of knows at least it's it's trying to say something and it's also a work of art that like took many people who cared deeply about it a very long time to make and also the season two that they're making you know the the creator is going to get his big payday probably because now he's got all the leverage to negotiate and so like i don't want poor things for the the squid game ip when it comes to the creator and the people who are

invested in it but this feels like a cash grab license oh yeah because reality tv is the cheap to produce a high profit margin thing it's the reason that the company that produces property brothers was the one that bought hbo it's like the people who make the really cheap to produce reality tv bought the really uh art artistic artist forward um home box office brand and it's why we have max now if it weren't for the fact that like like one of the other broken things about this show Home box office brand. And it's why we have Max now. If it weren't for the fact that like, like one of the other broken things about this show is that because it's on Netflix and because they have a very specific formula

that reality TV has to follow, it has this like traditional Western reality TV aesthetic, American reality TV aesthetic for something that's completely at odds with that they have to have these confessionals and stories and interpersonal relationships and stories about like ambition like i'm all rise and grind bro i'm gonna figure this one out i'm doing push-ups at night and it's like it if you take gotta fit into the reality tv archetypes yes because they don't know how to do it in any other way which means that all the like weird creepy macabre part of squid game which is the reason everything else

is so bright and colorful it's a reason it's kids games it's juxtaposition that's what's creepy about it when you take that away it's just a bunch of annoying people playing children's games but i still think that it's way darker and sadder than it should be without any sort of like levity or, or upside. Like I, I wrote down in my notes, I was like,

this needs a host. Like, like, uh, because I was like, you know what? The Mr. Beast video was able to avoid in all this is it had mr beast and carl

jacobs going go go do the thing do the thing and then you're like oh it's a game we can actually like look at this as a game instead of shooting it like it's a fucking horror documentary about these people losing their chance their last chance at salvaging their lives yeah imagine yeah that's another thing about like uh probably the closest to the way they do confessionals on this and then it's a question of like will they fail won't they it's usually contained in an episode is like american idol yes a little bit of backstory and is it going to work and they kind of juke you you know they go like oh this story was really sad but they actually didn't win but those stories are while like they have a financial element more often than not, and they have like a dream and ambition, they don't treat it like the last chance.

Yes. This is my dream, not my desperate attempt to survive. to give credit to the human contestants on this very inhumane show, I have to imagine that it is the producers who are making them play this up like it's their last chance. Because the obvious thing to say is, well, why would you play so much importance in a game where you have no chance of winning? You should go into this like you're winning the lottery, like you basically have no shot, right? And yet so many people, the stakes are so high. Why is that? Did they not do wellness screens on like the people that, you know, there's a lot of people on the show that feel like they shouldn't be on the show. They're either acting

or I'm concerned. They're suffering. Yeah. Or they are truly suffering. In ways that aren't even really like in accordance with the Squid Game vibe. There's just people who get nauseous really easily and it's just kind of sad. Yeah. There's people that start crying not because something happens, but because they're just like stressed. It's just like there's hundreds of people in this room and everyone's yelling. Yeah. And they're just like.

Okay. Let's jump to the. Well, so first of all, i set up a clip about five minutes ago and we didn't watch it so let's let's watch uh let's just hit play jacob pause again okay we're gonna get to the sad clip that i set up already but the we talked about the beds and so that reminded me i wanted to we've now shown they all live and this is wild also they all live in a giant fucking i don't know air plane hangar like a warehouse a warehouse that's that's lined with bunk beds as fucking high as the eye can see i do like the show i do not know what the

insurance plan was on this project like dystopian by the way terrifying this was meant like in the show i think this is how it is in the show, right? Yeah, it's kind of broader and shaped differently. But it's, you know, in the show, it's meant to evoke some pretty heavy stuff. I kind of want to say aloud. Maybe some stuff that you shouldn't do in real life. Just a thought. And so the fact that they did this for real is insane to me. Yeah.

It just feels like a torture show i but then there's something all like even more insidious about the fact that uh it keeps asking us to chuckle like as the show goes along and there's little moments it'll say it feels like the show and the way it's produced and the way it's cut does not know how tragic many of the backstories are. Like, it'll be like, yeah, I don't know if I could handle this without this person in my life. It's actually been really difficult. And then, like, hard cut with a little musical singer. And they lost.

Yeah. So I will spoil episode one. Yeah, this guy is like me and my brother or me and my best friend. We've been through everything together. We're rivals, but we're friends. And we keep pushing each other to be better. So as long as I know I've got him with me, we're going to be great. And then red light, green light goes.

And then he goes. And then what happens? We haven't talked about it yet. He gets eliminated. But how does he get eliminated? So in regular Squid game, they die. Chris Kyle style. And they have decided to emulate that.

The only thing they've really changed, they basically did the Mr. Beast approach. The only thing they changed was that they turned. It's like black ink packs blow up like you stole something from the department store they're wearing like squibs basically yeah like what would be a blood explosion in a tarantino movie yeah and um and it's instead of blood thank god they didn't make it red but i feel like that was a fight i feel like that had to have been a fight but it's like yeah it's black um and trying to explain that to someone in like an executive feedback position that's saying like um i feel

like so my uncle hired me and i feel like we should have red blood like the show and then the one human working on it going like uh well yeah but this is obviously maybe i'm crazy you know it feels like then we're killing them and it's like the visuals of a bunch of people in a in the same uniform being murdered en masse like in the but no but but that's what they did in the show right yeah and i suppose that was for no reason uh my uncle is like he's really proud of me so yeah that's why he put me in this position pretty fun i think he's my uncle we paid him to be i don't know yeah so uh yeah so not only do this isn't enough the fact that they're wearing these squibs that they shoot like black uh goo or whatever uh because everyone refers to dying as being shot killed dying like that they they

only refer to it as death they do not i don't think i heard them say get eliminated like it's possible that it happens well they do it if they ever say eliminated does have like mourning like they are like so low like they're gone from their life not from the game in some people and it's a bit of a shock to have this thing like blow, explode on you. Some, I read something and it was from the producers where they're like, they let people decide how much they wanted to lean into their elimination, their death. And I don't. Some people grab the chest and go.

I take it with a grain of salt. But some people, some people, they go. And then, and then they they lie they're dead now they regardless they all lie there as if they're dying so then they keep doing these aerial drone shots of a bunch of people in the the green um suits uh lying dead on the ground and then other accounting for like maybe other imagery that that could invoke and was supposed to reference uh-huh that's my shit and so uh another thing some people though uh i i didn't grab it i should have i should have picked out a couple of these but some people um don't like completely lean into it and they go they die like Skyrim NPCs

they just kind of go loose or a guy's just like lying down and it goes that is the funniest one and like there's that guy that's prone and because for some reason they put all the squibs based on their collarbone for some reason initially I'm like oh god

careful I'm glad that i can absolutely see a world where they had to get they'd give push back on we should just use paintball guys um oh dear i can imagine that too okay let's outside of the fact this exists and all the negative things we're going to talk about i I'm going to say one positive thing. The production design popped all the way off. It's one-to-one, yeah. This is an incredible achievement. Well, the reason that I'm saying this is that, like,

people are just doing their jobs. People, like, are working in their dream careers. And this is a dream job for someone in this type of field. And they showed up. They delivered. Nine out of ten people involved in this production are not to blame in what is wrong with this production. I would say 99 out of 100. And they showed up, they delivered. Nine out of 10 people involved in this production are not to blame in what is wrong with this production. I would say 99 out of 100.

Yeah. Yeah. And so it's really just the fact that it exists because I think there's no way to thread the needle. And even the Mr. Beast video got criticism. It's like, you look at the, I look at the Mr. Beast video with fucking rose tinted glasses

now seeing seeing what this is and at least mr beast has the balls to be a live critiquable person at the like the avatar for the production of it as opposed to how many anonymous you know animal mask wearing benefit benefactors get to make this show do a bunch of unethical shit and you don't even know what their toys are you know what the mask wearing benefactors get to make this show, do a bunch of unethical shit. And you don't even know what their toys are. You know what the value of a host is? It is a person to like, who is on your side. Like the hosts in these shows, like even if, I'll give a shout out to Mark L. Wahlberg

as someone who did Moment of Truth where it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, and that was 20 years ago. And then now seeing him on temptation Island and he's so gentle and delicate and gives good advice to the contestants. And then they all seem to like him after the show. You know, it's a, I, I haven't seen a bad word said about him personally and me watching the show i'm like great well done master class and um the absence of that makes everyone feel alone because when you have someone there that is like you're seeing this right or whatever i just feel like it would bring the stakes down a lot to an appropriate to an appropriate level because i think they're raising the stakes because it's like that's good right but it's like i i think it it over it overcooks it and i think it has to be less

faithful in order to not be so almost disgusting i mean they've prioritized fidelity to the detriment of the show like as as like like you said production value the set design the costume design everything's one-to-one really impressive yeah it's even and this is actually very impressive for a reality show it's even lit and graded right usually if you watch like a live action anime for example or like an anime adaptation you just notice how the costumes look wrong because the shading's there but the lighting isn't everything looks right yeah from a picture standpoint you never see a reality show look this good but there is this distracting the level of fidelity is is so close and so accurate that it feels a more synthetic because

i know that but's not real. Like, I know the Squid Game doesn't exist, so if you keep telling me it does, I don't believe you. Yeah, yeah. And there's no one, because there's no reaction outside of the contestants involved, and there's so many names, or numbers specifically, but there's never a protagonist. There's never a single person to follow.

Granted, the host isn't competing, but to have mark walberg to have him someone who's like and be like you've mentioned before that your story was this or like what will you go home back to now just a wrap-up a conclusion something other than hundreds of people's confessionals all in english embodied voice we now there are shows like um hot uh too hot to handle where it is hosted by siri or whatever the fuck and the counterpoint to the stuff that i'm mentioning with that it's like oh you could say well too hard to handle doesn't have a host they're on a resort and they're they're in beds they're having the time of their lives and there's not 456 of them

yeah there's not 456 of them and worst case scenario uh they got a cool vacation and story this is worst case scenario i got a story but i was tortured also yes and at least the implicit value in uh doing smaller kind of more glamorous reality shows like too hot to handle or love island is that you can at least guarantee a big bump in social following and you can oh no no way in hell that happens for this even all the fucking names are yeah you only see the names in the confessionals they never say them out loud it's just it all it happens is like they're like number 128 what's your background and it's just the name pops up it's like cassidy dental hygienist and that's the can you forever dude i just realized there are going to be contestants on the show

who put their number in their social media yeah and that's that's that almost feels like it's taking the dystopia out into the real world. Yeah, that's actually, oh God, referring to yourself as a number for any reason. I mean, the final thing I'll say, I guess, about this set is like, I wanted to avoid using specific terms, but it's supposed to evoke prisoners of war. It's supposed to evoke concentration of war it's supposed to evoke concentration camps that's why it looks like this in squid game and the fact that no one at the level of power a level of control over the show was able to say we're just not doing

that we're taking that out i know it's not what the same as the show we're just going to remove it we're going to give them colorful sheets or something or we're going to give them little cabins the is a it is scary that no one involved made that connection and then made the connection if we shouldn't do that it's like the profit motive went unchecked they're like we bought we we own this license probably they probably didn't have to do anything additional with the creator of Squid Game in order to do this. And we're going to go off. He probably found out about it coming out at the same time as us. It also is a uniquely American show.

I do not think any of the creators of Squid Game were involved. At least I didn't see them in the creators thing. I will say one more thing about this, which is I've watched a lot of reality shows in my time. There is a trope going back to the, you know, the fucking real world premiere in the nineties on MTV, where everybody gets to the place. They get to the resort and they're like, Oh my God.

Running up the stairs. Like there's a jacuzzi dude. And there's a few, they do that same shit. It's crazy. In this. In this. Where they're like, they go to the fucking, they go to the bathrooms. And like, I totally understand why they're so excited at first.

And it happens over and over again in the beginning episodes. Because you walk in and you see something that you recognize from television. And that is very exciting. It's like going to Universal. Yeah, that's the thing. And then you realize you recognize it from the most depressing show possible. Oh my God, it's the basement from Parasite.

And I live here now. It's the guillotine. You know. Oh my God. What if I die? What if I die? Can you imagine? It's on fire.

Woo. Like the fire. And so them doing that for this and then them doing it for, it feels like parody, dude. It feels like an SNL sketch where it's reality people. It's like a reality TV show at Squid Game. That's kind of what it feels like an SNL sketch where it's reality people. It's like a reality TV show at Squid Game. That's kind of what it feels like. Because there's no way in hell you're going to convince me the people are like stoked about 100, no, 400 bunk beds. Oh, dude, literally. Yeah.

The sketch would be Mikey Day is the only person. Do you guys not see how weird this is? Everybody else is like, yo, they've got a tall bunk bed. A knife. Yeah, and then there's one of the guards holding a rifle. And he's like, look, from the thing. Poking him like the fucking Buckingham Palace guards. Like, guys, I don't know if we should be doing that. Yeah.

That would be pretty good too late i mean yeah that would be too late this is definitely that would actually be kind of good um that's a rare uh hypothetical dub for snl these days we'll take the cash oh yeah do we have the do we find the bathrooms and stuff when they walk in? I can shit in this. Oh, hell yeah, bro. It's a little choppy. My recording got weird. Yo!

Let's go! Yo! Yo! Squid Game. This is awesome, dude. Guys, Squid Game! This is awesome dude! Guys, Squid Game! Go back, Jay! There's somebody jumping up and down. The wide, the drone, like the super, the ceiling shot. Where someone in the back.

Let's go! Squid Game! Yeah! Remember when they die? Oh dude. Also, this is right after red light green light like in the fiction of this world this is when 200 friends were killed or whatever everyone's like the bed we got a bed do you remember when the guy he's pretty good they eat the little honey thing so you actually um

we jumped ahead past green light. Let's jump back to the sad woman that I keep setting up and we haven't watched the clip yet. Who's not in debt? We're facing a recession. I mean, I had to, I'm not getting paid at work for this, but you're dreaming. You're taking a chance. What's that like to be able to pay off your car? I know these may be simple dreams, but what's that like?

Yeah, I got my own dreams. They may not be much, but I got dreams too. And then they cut to red light, green light. Can we jump forward to when she's eliminated? Oh my God. There she goes. That was her. Was that her already?

She was literally the first person. Did she even? Yeah. Oh yeah. Well. See ya. There you go. Barely even got like a glance.

She got maybe three frames. She got three frames when she got. No conclusion. Just a sad look. You know, I think one of the issues maybe that the show was doing is it's trying to like psych us out. Like, oh, well, we're following this person. You thought they'd be the one. But it does it over and over again.

Yeah. To the point where, you know, I'm on episode three now. Yeah. Halfway through episode three now halfway through episode three and there's still no one i'm following no the only person you're following is the jock guy who that everyone hates yeah who yeah his whole thing is like i'm uh not better than anybody else but i am rising grind and i do work hard and it's all about not complaining as soon as he said that i thought to myself like and why are you doing a game show one of the first work hard one of the first things he said was only the strong survive and then he also said um no no no he didn't say only that's that's from a different episode one of the first

things he said is i see everyone as money um i'm like is this guy even real he alleged he multiple times he's asked if he's for real in the show and then he's like no this is just who I am and I'm like okay respect I mean actually he's a good reference point for the fact that literally the first thing that jumped out to me as soon as I saw the red light green light section is like without the

power of plot armor without a screenwriter making this there's like it's just going to be the most athletic person the reason the old man gets through is because he has to be in the story like yeah the reason all the characters that survive because it's i mean first of all this doesn't work because in the actual squid game show they don't this is gonna be happening this is the reveal that it's

a death show when people start dying they start panicking people run that makes more of them get shot it's you know it's uh like a show it's like drama it's yeah like entertainment whatever that word is yeah like they're they're like playing with our minds with images and stuff that are fake without that it's a bunch of people playing children's games which is the thing we don't play anymore because we're adults and we have real games and we can do that and i have boulder street and i have a stereo and frankly i'm in love with shadowhut i don't need anyone else yeah uh i think it is like a real genuine issue that there's all these people it's like will she get through will they get through i mean like i think the one that will get through is the one that runs really really fast and is good at stopping

when they're running fast okay so it's funny you mentioned that because there's also been backlash. There's also been controversy about Squid Game. Can you imagine? So one of those things is with this red light, green light. Apparently they did this in like an actual airplane hangar. It was like super cold. They were wearing like two layers of thermals. The shooting day was supposed to be like um two hours we'll put uh the articles that were we're referencing dude um i shoot day of two hours with that much equipment yeah it was supposed to

be it went nine uh there's this girl who uh in the show she she stops she stops and she's squatting right yeah yeah and she goes squatting. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And she goes, why did I do this? Why did I squat? And then it cuts to her again and she's like, I can't do it anymore. I give up. And it's like pretty immediate.

And you're like, huh, that's odd. And there were like 30 minutes between some of the breaks that they were taking to set shots, drone shots, blah, blah, blah. And then it's also alleged, this is either in the Rolling Stone article or one of the other articles, I read a few this morning, that they cooked some of the storylines. People allege, speaking of the old man that made it through in the show, there is a mother-son group,

and people have alleged in this article and their names have been withheld for obvious reasons that they saw the time run out and then they put more time on the clock so that the mother could make it through and that I think the issue is really to the the insult is to the players who were there. So the people that took time off work and didn't get paid for that time for didn't get paid for that time. And also, I don't know where and how they were communicated about the game elements. I'm sure they're super covered in contracts, Netflix's. But like if you thought you were playing a fair game and then some shit like that goes down uh i would also be pissed but from an entertainment standpoint

i'm like that's how the cookie crumbles in these situations they also bring back dating show people who got eliminated from the game because in those things the game doesn't really matter it's only about being on the show that's what it's about being on the show. It's about being on the show. And so in this, when the game matters so much, but there's not as much integrity to the game, it's hard to say. Now, the producers and there's an article that was clearly like paid media that was like the producers talking to some sort of big outlet before the show came out they said there are some scripted elements to just um to accent and sort of add color to the storylines that they're already trying to tell yeah so that allowed like with that statement that allows that sort of how big how how big is the um the the scripted bits right like they say it's small some other people could allege it's large really it's um who's to like who can be an objective judge of

like that so um that's something definitely to keep in mind i bet it's like i bet they like cook it and then they're like well this person probably isn't going to win. Cause we know this thing is coming up anyway. So we want to make the story richer and make the storyline, whatever. And so I don't think that the person who wins is not going to have worked, done the work for it. You know what I mean? But I do understand the backlash around the production and the conditions, especially like people were, there's a, there's a quote in one of these articles where they say that during this nine

hours shoot day for red light, green light, they had to have medics called out. And then people like, this is almost like a thing that almost happened to the show where it's like people were actually hurting in danger, like cold, whatever. They had to call medics. And when the medics came, the freezing conditions resulted in at least 10 people collapsing during the game. Sources say with medics being screamed for as people fell and convulsed on the ground. One alleges that medics took ages to reach the players because producers were worried about camera shots being ruined. As a solution, masked people in pink jumpsuits were sent out,

the guards, on the floor with black coffins and positioned themselves to block out the medics attending to a fallen player all while the contestants remain frozen in place that is insane and all like all of that strictness about continuity for something that the way this is edited is fucking incomprehensible you have no idea how many people are dying. You have, it is like, you know, not to focus too much on production when there's obviously more dramatic things going on. This is incompetent.

Like the way it's shot, when they get out of red light, green light, and then they show that overhead shot, maybe 20 bodies, and then they go back to the room and they're like, 2,000 people. We actually, half the cast is gone. I'm like brother you're the reason you're making people freeze to death is because you're trying to make a really

comprehensive edit well yeah this is a joke i cannot tell what anybody else the geography the scene makes no sense i don't know who anybody is so it doesn't matter i understand how this happens in well that's the thing it's they're not really doing the game as it's advertised so they're punishing them as if they were punishing them yeah and so because i understand how it gets to that point you're like okay all these people got eliminated there's all this time on the clock we need to communicate people getting eliminated at certain times but i guarantee you when it says like 10 seconds on the, cause it's edited like a regular squid game, like where it's like, uh, there's suspension of disbelief, but you know that

when it says there's one minute left on the clock and then it goes, boom, boom, boom, three people are eliminated. Those people were not eliminated at that time. Yeah. In addition to articles being written about some of the stuff that's going on with the production of this show, some of the cast members have taken to TikTok. Assuming, I would assume they're breaking some sort of NDA by doing this. But for our benefit. We had the game had to have been at least nine hours. It had to have been. Well, and remember, it was below freezing.

We were my my my feet were numb. My hands were blue, constant snot dripping from my nose, constantly just shivering the whole time. I have never been that cold that long in my life. And everybody was. If you look at scenes on the show, you'll see people that still had their, because before the game started, they gave us hand warmers and they gave us foot warmers. When the game started, they told us that we had to give them back the hand warmers and foot warmers, and we could not zip our, we had to unzip our jackets. But you can see people, if you look closely, you can see that people still had hand warmers in their hands, and you can see that pretty much everybody had their hands in their jacket pocket. And the mother at the end, even when she's hugging her son, she still

had her hands in her pocket that's telling you how cold it was when you see people jumping as you see people doing this in the game they weren't doing that because they were nervous they were doing that because it was so doggone cold that they had to do whatever they could to um to warm up it was it was ridiculous okay that's why they're so psyched to get to the jail cell. Can I just say that the comments on this pissed me off? Oh, really? Like someone said, did y'all watch Squid Game first?

And then they said, I mean, you get what you signed up for, a big paycheck. And also the show it's based off is insane, LOL. Wow, 20,000 likes on that deranged comment. Yeah, that's what is making me mad. $4 million cash prize, that's all I'm saying. That does not, it's a game show, dude. Do you think they got the prize? Yeah, dude, not everyone gets the prize.

You should not be, okay, just buy a lottery ticket then. It's for entertainment. It's like supposed to be a like a fun reality show it's supposed to be a fun experience you're not what about both what about they do the show and they don't give people hypothermia yeah they're allowed to do that because squid game's crazy in the real show people die it's like yeah i mean did you watch the show yeah i'm like well like yeah with a suspension of disbelief do you think people died on set of the show oh my god do you see the stars of squid game died uh those people are fucking wrong and it's so inhumane and just like think have a like a shred of empathy for a fucking

second as you're writing your tiktok comment i mean it's people again like unable to reconcile the fact that they liked something that they can't morally agree with. And instead of just being like, ah, compartmentalize those two things, fucked up how they made that. But also I can watch the show and be like, ooh, kind of strange. Instead, they have to be these fucking top tier

moral arbiters, heroes, protagonists of earth are the main characters. And you can't have watched something that was bad. It can't be bad that I order stuff from Amazon cause I i do it so actually you're wrong to say that they had to when in reality it's like but things can be true it's like ordering from amazon can be bad and also people uh do it i do it what are the replies to the person who said i mean you get what you signed up for but which is an insane insane fucking thing to say please be like a human being a big paycheck oh she replied grandma gone wild replied she said

a big paycheck did my get lost in the mail please someone help me find it damn the winner gets a big paycheck so it's not going to be an easy competition what do you think her criticism was yeah he signed up to try and anything other than almost torture is insane it's mr okay was mr beast torture i don't think we heard anything about that i don't know i'm not excusing mr beast but i'm just saying like you can make something uh uh derivative of squid game without it being torture it's just not what be this is running a show incompetently they're putting too much faith in netflix as like a yeah it turned out to be a nine hour shoot like no the people that made the show are not very good at their jobs or like the people that orchestrated the show at a very high level are not very

good at the jobs and they don't care. So what happened was a bunch of people had to suffer. That's not why the show exists. That happened as well as the show. If that was the thing, they would would they would have played that up there would be entertainment value to the fact that they wouldn't hide it yeah they wouldn't they wouldn't hide it they wouldn't bring out guys with black coffins to hide the medics yeah they secretly they secretly tortured them just so that everybody inside of the show was uh being tortured even though they didn't show it on camera that's like like the people that are like, Shelley Duvall famously on the set of The Shining was just tortured the entire time.

Like she was abused and yelled at constantly by Kubrick. He's just like a big piece of shit. Always has, always was by all accounts. And then people that like The Shining, people that just love Kubrick have to push back and be like, it was for the art. You can like The Shining and condemn abuse.

You don't have to do it. What the issue was, is that Stanley Kubrick was a crazy person who couldn't communicate. So the only way he thought he could make movies, but like if Tarantino was like, I'm making Pulp Fiction, I'm going to shoot John Travolta

so it looks like he dies no just put a pack on no just let them like zip their jackets up no just give them people have this thing in their head where it's like you have to suffer for the art and i think that that is wrong no i think it's wrong yeah um it's just a cooler narrative plenty of people make art and live charmed lives and don't suffer at all and many people suffer and do not turn that suffering into art way more of them actually more of them most of them because they're suffering and don't have time to make it into art yeah and just because someone who can make good art is maybe doesn't have other skills uh interpersonal skills this is often the case

um does it does it invalidate the art within reason um and doesn't grant them a license to do bad shit yeah yeah and netflix is like i'm sure there's also people just like look netflix is a pretty big organization i think they know what they're doing yeah no no they bet the fact that they're so big and successful is why they don't know what they're doing some of the time So one of the viral clips going around about this show is of one of the contestants who is particularly Mmm anxious anxious Like they were going through it. Yeah, there's plenty of words for a bit and we're not criticizing them No, actually they are they're

emotionally volatile in this moment in this moment and not in a bad way or harmful to other people they are no no just like they're you know this is just like how it's presented in the show um they're like about to go up to do they're doing the the cookie thing or the honeycomb thing uh where they have to cut the shapes out a thing that makes no sense as a game in america where that isn't a thing and they don't give uh it's called like dalgona or something like that they don't give um context for this either no just imagine having not seen squid game is the context so um yeah they got to cut, you know, shapes out of a honeycomb. There's like a circle. There's a triangle. Is there a square?

No, a triangle. A circle, triangle, a... A star. Star. Star. Yeah, star and then umbrella. And umbrella is the really hard one. And a funny thing happens where twice, so they get into lines and then there's a delegate from each line. There's four lines and they need to basically secure a shape for their line. But those four people all have to agree on what shape they're going to get and no one wants umbrella umbrella so the first time they go up there's four people and everyone selects a shape and the guy who's supposed to get umbrella is like i don't want to

do that and then they agreed and then one of them sprinted over and took star which he was supposed to have oh right right so they broke the rules and then they got a little smirk on their face like i just pulled the wool over his eyes and then he's like no this isn't what we agreed and then uh he's like well i'm not gonna do it i'm not gonna switch and then he's like no this isn't what we agreed and then uh he's like well i'm not gonna do it i'm not gonna switch it and they're like no you've gotta you've gotta pick umbrella and he's like no and then and then they all get eliminated it was it's so sick it's actually maybe one of my favorite parts because it's just like the game plan did not work that game i would say the most entertaining like actual game so far not in the show squid game it's great

it's perfectly designed for reality tv yeah yeah yeah but they it's what five minutes of the episode then they just go into this boring nasty section right and so um and so then so then another group of four a delegate from each of the four lines, goes up. Essentially, the same thing happens where the person who is left with umbrella does not want to take umbrella. Was it the one where they did a race? They did a race, which is stupid. And then once again, they cannot come to a agreement and then they then they lose which is so funny because the second time it happens you know what's gonna happen yeah i know it's really cool

and and uh the person's like i'm bringing you all down with me and then no one else wanted to i guess the social pressure of having to be the person who takes umbrella and so then the next person in line cut to spencer number 299 already hyperventilating at the front of the line already like red in the face and this is not like an exaggeration this is just like what is shown on screen he looks away where a more competent show would probably at least take him to the back of the line maybe bring along a medic see if there's he's having a severe panic attack producers can intervene at any point they're doing whatever the fuck anyway the producers are they have it's not clearly they can break their own rules there's no like the uh it is not like i'm just gonna use ironclad this is not an ironclad production where

we were watching every minute of everything the producers intervene all the time there's nothing stopping them from saying hey someone else take this person's place they're not in a position right now to do this the only thing stopping them is them thinking in it they go ooh entertainment drama and so uh spencer goes into this room. He's essentially, he kind of, then we go into a background about Spencer, how he's like meek, mild-mannered, anxious, is questioning his faith, wants to provide for his family, happens to be a software engineer, shout out. And then he's like, he makes a bad play, which is to say, Hey, I'll take umbrella. If, uh, you guys help, help each other or something like that.

Like he's like, says spit in the cups. Yeah. Which we should say, I honestly almost wanted a trigger warning up at the beginning of the episode of, um, watch out for this time stamp nasty really gross so we'll get to that we'll get to that but before we get into that the um he basically is saying help your fellow man at least that's how i that's how i understood it and he was trying to be like noble about it and i'm not quite sure what he meant i don't know what he meant like it seemed like he was like yeah help your fellow man but man. But the issue is, in my mind,

no way in hell they're going to let you help each other. I think it was a bit of a cope for, he kind of just got alpha dogged. Yeah, he did get alpha dogged by 432, the big alpha dog himself. He just had to be like, yeah, you know, actually I'm willing to do that. There's a point too,

where he talks about how he doesn't stand up for himself. And then there's a clip of him trying to talk to people he goes no shut up and you're like hey he was trying to stand up for himself i want to give my man spencer some credit but anyway uh reality sets in he chooses umbrella uh and then all the panic sets back in he now oh sorry i just realized i guess for people who don't know it's basically this little caramel the game is it's a little caramel treat the harder the shape is the harder it is to cut out if you break the caramel you you equus die yeah and um and so uh he then he picks umbrella for his team he has to now face his team then everyone's ridiculing him walking in

going he won't even look us in the eyes he's like this guy failed us and they go last so he put the most of the game he's just has to stand there yeah and then this dude uh this clip goes viral so all that context is for when he's doing his, he's doing his umbrella, he's getting close to the end and he makes a fatal flaw. He is holding this in his hand and pushing into it. Crazy. It is. I saw him break this.

I was, I go, what are you doing? What was the plan? You were, what was the plan? You were going to fail with the strategy. This is like,

I don't know why I know that that's gonna not work but maybe it's just like the basics of like lever dynamics and like like you are creating uh the fulcrum is your finger you're pushing you are literally creating a break you're going to break and you create you're putting pressure on the broadest part specifically with an umbrella you're putting pressure on the broadest part of the shape and pulling at the thinnest most brittle part of the shape no one succeeded with the strategy people left it on the in the little tin and they scratched in the tin i don't know why he didn't do that they have a yeah they have a pin they have a needle they have equipment it's not like a little needle thing yeah so i don't know what his strategy was but none of that is aside it's like i have to say just as a fan of games i was like buddy but his reaction is what goes viral his

reaction he will play it though i do want to give a trigger warning because like this is like the type of thing that i feel like the show should have given a trigger warning yeah i should say yeah i i myself have not experienced a panic attack but i think it could at least seem like that to people if that's yeah i mean it's you're like this what you were going to see on screen is him like sort of holding back you know uh holding back his stomach and uh hyperventilating he's red in the face he's shaking like it's pretty extreme and then you know netflix is uh netflix whose twitter bio is currently can you scroll to the side oh yeah this is relevant yeah netflix whose twitter bio is currently leanne from squid game challenge please be my mom

leanne is the mom it's all it's all in lowercase netflix is so personal they're so personable they're such a human i'm gonna defend them in the comments it was actually only five hours they tweeted 299 had one of the most dramatic reality show exits of all time and this is the exit again uh we'll put a time stamp um it's a 37 second clip though so about 40 seconds from now jump a minute ahead to not watch this. They say they're games. But they're not. Player 299 eliminated. I mean, that kind of has everything.

That kind of has everything from the show. It's very hard to watch. I mean, honestly, this is the part that feels closest to Squid Game. Yeah, that was legitimately sad and painful. The reason, though, that we went all through this rigmarole of getting this person's backstory and all this stuff is that two things. One, we have a tick tock from Spencer talking about his experience. And then, too, there's something that he might include that was like left out. But if not, I'll fill it in as well. So let's just watch his TikTok first. We all respond to stress differently,

whether because of our genetics, the way we're raised or our current circumstance. I've had a little bit of a history of anxiety. I didn't expect to have anything weird happen when I got on the show, but then I was put in a position where I needed to make a choice for myself and for dozens of other people that would affect whether or not they receive millions of dollars in that situation I responded in a weird way I started gagging so I was not acting no I do not deserve an Oscar and yes it was all embarrassing and real I'm glad clearly he's been able to leverage this into a kind of a social I actually like I maybe the only silver lining here is that he been able to leverage this into a kind of a social. I actually like, I maybe the only silver lining here is that he's able to leverage this and people can see that he's like a real person with real actions and a real

story to tell. And one of the elements of that story, and this is something that I do believe he's talked about and we will definitely need to source this before I just throw this out there, but he's a cancer survivor really and that like i don't think that fit their like everybody picking on him narrative oh and so they just like left it out which i mean yeah i'd say in most circumstances that's the kind of story they would use for dramatic effect but not if he fucks it he fucks it up for everybody

nerd he can't you know let's beat him up don't ask him questions about his life he's anxious let's kick him yeah loser um can you google spencer squid game cancer to make sure that we don't yeah okay so in this deadline article titled squid game the challenge player spencer nope never mind don't need to read the title in this deadline article i read it it was like spit what is the title of this article i'm sorry oh all right don't need to read it but i was curious thank you for humoring me it's funny they call it a cookie competition yeah okay uh Okay. So in this Deadline article, Spencer says, I wasn't a diehard fan. The biggest reason I signed up for the show was a few years ago I recovered from cancer. And with that, I became much more intentional about the things I wanted in my life, meaning deep human connections and unique experiences.

And I think that's very respectable and something that we should have known about Spencer. Like, I think that's a failure of the production. And that's also a part of his story that is like admirable, regardless of how the show resolves. And I guess they just didn't want anything like fulfilling about this. They only wanted suffering. It can't be like part of someone's journey up. This is exactly. With a host, maybe you even resolve that. And you go like, well, did you get anything out of the experience for what it was?

You know? Yes. Instead, it's like, no, he died. Goodbye. They decided. And this is just how reality TV can sort of not show the full picture for the sake of a narrative, which is always doing 100% of the time, no matter the slightest amount of obscuring information or like omission, he is a strong person.

He has gone through adversity. He is someone who I think people could like, person he is yeah he has gone through adversity he has you know like you know he is like someone who i think people could like see the humanity in and and uh look up to even and you know like relate to but he is only portrayed for this this trope he's the the anxious, anxious guy. Which is kind of, I think, maybe one of the things that's... The producers, and I know we just have to keep using it in abstract terms, because we, you know, Netflix benefits

in the fact that nobody knows you're doing anything. That's like part of their gambit. They underpay people because nobody knows who was involved in projects and blah, blah, blah. I also hope I'm not infantilizing him or anything by saying like, oh, he has, you know, something because he went through this experience. Oh, no, I mean, he highlighted himself.

He highlighted himself. Yeah, that's right. Sorry, I just, you know, sometimes second guessing myself. No, that's respectful. I think that's right. If this show, I mean, obviously they don't understand Squid Game, but let's take away just like the themes of capital in Squid Game. that's its own thing it's the main theme but they've already ignored that so I guess we'll just drop that yeah uh one of the things about squid game is that like

it's weird to call it levity because it's still in a death game but there it is full the main protagonist especially is like a very achingly sincere person right and that's what anchors a show that's literally the entire rest of the cast are very very cynical very intense the main character of the original squid game is the one that figures out you need to lick the little candy to loosen it up because he's you know touched with his inner child he's a weird little guy whatever i feel like they this is so much more hateful like yeah in compared to a show about people being killed this is so much more hateful. Like compared to a show about people being killed. This is so much more like mocking, it's laughing at, and like, look, this guy, everybody's making fun of him.

And he died. The only person who is given a redeeming story thus far is Leanne, the mom, and they're doing this on purpose but she is also the only person who feels like they should be on this game because she's like hey I'm getting up there in years I want to prove to myself that I can do this and that is the amount of stakes that I think we as an audience should be comfortable with in a game like this whereas like I don't want it to be like you're hijacking the empathy of the audience by being like, this is Joe.

He needs this to save the house. Now watch him run. You know what I mean? Like that doesn't- Oh, he dripped. Bye. Oh, sorry. Oh, now you get to be sad.

You get to be sad. Keep watching. Are you still watching? Do you remember I Like Green Light? Squid game? Anyone? Roblox? sad you get to be sad keep watching are you still watching do you remember i like me light squid game anyone but yeah i kind of think when i was watching it uh i was watching it over zoom with anastasia while we were taking notes and i was like i don't think i could have watched this if it weren't for this show because if i didn't have a place to sort of get all these thoughts out, then it would be one thing. Oh, special delivery, by the way.

I called this one. I called this one in. Let's go. We got the. This is two podcasts. This is two pods in a row. We had the croissant delivery. Thank you, BB.

To another. I've been betrayed by the good friends. Jordan's been betrayed, BB. Two in a row that have been betrayed by good friends of Phil's. Jordan's been betrayed by Phil's twice in a row. It's okay. Nothing personal. We still love you, Phil's. Oh, you're saying you probably would not have watched it. I would not. Yeah. I do think that now that we've now recorded

a close to three hour episode of the show, I do feel like I will continue to watch the show because I think it's only got one more batch of episodes left yeah and then we'll i think we can just report back and see if it redeems itself though i do not think it's in a redeemable state no i mean the show as i said you know we said the beginning its foundations are wrong the show would have to be rebuilt which obviously it wouldn't be but there's

like i think there's just a fundamental issue with the way that the games work what the games are supposed to do in the original show right the games are like deceptively simple in the original show because most of the drama is figuring out what are they going to be how do i prepare how do i figure it out in this show all the puzzles are solved all the techniques are solved all the drama dramas sat from it maybe do all of that if you're going to lean into the characters oh no that's not a thing either we don't care about them okay not all the games are solved because uh they introduced battleship into a squid game and they didn't do that in their regular games it's almost like an even less

skill it is it was like remarkable it felt like a something mr beast would do it like didn't fit yeah that's uh i mean honestly i think the solution to the show mr beast played battleship he played human battleship in it yeah i believe so dude but these you know nothing i i again not uh not mr beast defenders here it's more uh he made the squid game thing and so that's why he's coming up i think it's very noticeable that he also with like a a penny on the budget of this show well yeah also made it and also made it interesting yeah with i mean like you said he just had a host there's one hat yeah He lent into like interesting people as opposed to tragic figures.

Not that tragic figures shouldn't have a chance here, but like. In this sort of thing, it feels like tragedy porn. It feels like it's only the tragedy and no other element. Honestly, you could fix all of this for me to some respect by paying all of them. Oh, brother, you are all of them. Oh! Brother, you are bringing it home. No, that's not how that works. Okay. I'm not a math guy.

I don't know. I want to see a version of the show where everyone gets $10,000 and they still play the games for fun. It is so affordable. Make the cash smaller. Because you already have the money. I don't care.

Make the, at least cover what living expenses would be while they're on the show yeah yeah give them two thousand people are having to like take off work so the opportunity cost that's the crazy thing too the i don't know what they had at per diem but it seemed like and per diem is a thing like a daily stipend or whatever that you get to live but a but they don't they give them a can of food so they give them a can of food i was all i also wrote down um man imagine if there were chefs who were trying really hard on the food that they keep shitting on and they were like oh fuck they didn't like it no but they probably made the food bad

because it's squid game or whatever um but yeah they could totally have afforded to give a participation fee mr beast did this oh fuck mr beast god damn it i'm tired of talking about mr beast but he did do the thing where he's just like you can leave you can take take the money yeah and then immediately he was like 100 people are gone or 10 people are gone or whatever the fuck it wasn't 100 people i don't think he spent that kind of money but it was a thing where he was like hey if if guaranteed 10 grand is worth it to you take it that would that is life-changing money for so many people yeah that is that pays off uh many cars it pays off many medical debts it covers rent while you say seek a new job like job. Like, yeah, it's like.

It's just so like, I mean, that I do think is partly the result of like, hey, I think, you know, we've said our thoughts on Jimmy here and there. I have nothing against Jimmy, you know, whatever. I do think that was a conscious decision on his part. He's a lot more conscientious about that kind of stuff and respect for that. Well, due to criticism. Not in part, like, due to criticism. Not in part like due to criticism from people, valid criticism.

But he is also the face of the production and has to act with a little bit of tact, but the anonymous, you know, benefactors behind this project, they can do literally whatever they want because nobody is going to tweet at the executive board of netflix nothing about this show changes if you take the cute little four five six the four point five

six million dollars and you change that to one million dollars and you take the other 3.56 million dollars and you at least offer some sort of parachute for the opportunity cost that people are spending on the game because i think it riles up the emotions and stuff to an unhealthy degree and they don't get to benefit. Not that people should all, or sorry, not that like I get it's a game, you know, participation trophy, soy boy, whatever. Like I, I, I don't know. It just, if these, if you, okay. I think that if you are sourcing people that all, when they're telling their stories, it's all financial needs. Oh, they screened for people in desperate situations. If you're doing that, then you should, there should have been a, some sort of baseline, you know, you get you get something or or you get the opportunity because

giving the opportunity means it's a part of the game you get to you get uh you get to um decide to stop like this happens in game shows all the time do you want to stay where you're at or do you want to keep playing do you want to be a millionaire and then they go uh i don't i don't do i want to and then you like look in the crowd should i keep playing? Do you want to be a millionaire? And then they go, I don't, I don't do I want to. And then you like look in the crowd. Should I keep playing? Everybody's like, and then someone can go for me. Guaranteed money.

I need it. I'm going to, I'm going to take it. Peace out guys. And maybe a little bit of interpersonal drama when their friend is staying, but they're going and all. Which by the way, they don't get money out of it, but that does happen in the show yeah there is a moment where they're given the opportunity to go home yeah who will or won't

or who will and won't come back is a really compelling part of the drama yeah but they don't care about characters so what yeah so it's just and this isn't i'm not trying to turn it into charity i'm saying a reallocation of resources would probably make for a better show reallocation of the existing resources within and that is us being cynical about it like if you just want to think about the numbers also hey one successful class action lawsuit you've lost a lot more fucking money than that yeah and it sounds like you might have one on your hands yeah allegedly and also we're not lawyers and uh who knows what's gonna happen i wouldn't be i'm not

gonna be involved i wasn't on the show i'm just well i'm kind of a lawyer yeah cynically cynically you'd pay some of this money to avoid the bad press yeah but maybe also cynically the show is doing gangbusters what's the bad press do yeah if you don't care. Yeah, if no one cares. God, it is like the perfect counter to everything. It's like, you could avoid all this. Yeah, the cruelty, you could have been less cruel. And they're like, to what, and what do I get? And what do I get? Yeah, there's not anything bad that happens to me.

Would it cost more money? No, it costs an amount. There should be consequences to harming people. Can I just say? When you say it's a two hour shoot and it's a nine hour shoot, something should happen. Something should happen. When people freeze,

there should be a consequence. I understand that it's in the contract or whatever, but still that feels like a moral failing. Dude, I mean, this is Americans coping with healthcare kind of stuff.

I hear still a lot, which is like, yeah, well, that's what your deductible is. It said it. I'm like, sorry, I'm, I and a lot of the earth are from places where you just get the health care and it's like obscene that you would have

to pay for oh it's like that girl who or that that young woman who was like fresh out of like in her first job yeah and she was like, hey, I like my job. Everything's great. I commute so much that I don't have time to live my life. And then the response was like, welcome to the real world, ma'am. You gotta get with the program. I went through this, so you have to go through it.

And it's like, when you went through it, a house was a nickel and everyone got one for free and even if it wasn't why do you want someone to suffer for no reason for no reason it doesn't take away from you your grandfather was in world war ii do you think you should have been in world war ii that's the thing but every the response that was not this girl saying uh actually, I'm enjoying my job. I'm working hard. I'm like, all of it was like,

they're complaining. She wasn't complaining. She was just saying, I'm spending too many hours commuting. It's making me sad. And it's making me sad. And they don't have time for hobbies. That is valid.

And that is like, yeah. Well, hold on. Also, like, not everyone does go through that. We've had shitty jobs. We've had great jobs, whatever. My commute has never been that long. No.

I've had walking commute at one point. I had some decent bus commutes, but never longer than 30 minutes or so. It is different. That's not the universal experience. I had a privilege of being paid a wage where I could afford to live close enough to work. Yes. The issue is that oftentimes these wages are not congruent with the place that the work is.

So you can't get in the fucking attack on Titan, wall Maria of the property rates, like rising. You know what I mean? And you're burning cash on like, just trying to live a little bit. Because you're not just on traveling. I mean, some places have affordable public transport. But even then, the way you have to re-engineer your life around that, the amount that you may have to just end up spending on food

while you're on the way or back from work, like that's when you have dinner, and then you go to bed and go to sleep, while you're also, you know, probably if you're doing your first big job, you're probably in your first big apartment or like some recent move it's just or nowadays you're at home because it's the if you can be you know if you didn't have to relocate for work that's my boomer uh uh instinct that i think i had to challenge uh especially around covid yeah was uh well yeah you should you should move out get some experience with the real world. And like, well, yeah, but I went to college

and that's why I could do that. And then I went to Patreon and that's why I could do that. There was no skill that I had that made that. I didn't work harder to make that viable. It was just fortunate. Could have been a job I was good at and I love that didn't give me that opportunity.

Didn't even have houses close enough to walk yeah i still never had a car you know what i mean like because i've never had to add a car for work i uber here when we record the show yeah and then i don't go anywhere for a week and i don't commute i live here yeah that's true this is my real house you're living in your house a lot we we uh uh that's the funny thing is like i i do think there's like benefits and this is a topic for another show because we have to wrap this up it's we our timer says three hours and six minutes you little freaks get all this content but yeah like i um i always think it's funny when they make sets that look like places and i'm like

no this is i live here yeah this is actually a real place um that's why that's why i was worried about the address on the back because it could be the real one yeah all right we did it we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're sorry we have to go record the patreon episode uh we're gonna go talk about the our embarrassing spotifyaps on patreon.com. So go check that out. If you are so inclined, it's $5, but you don't need it. It's discretionary entertainment spending.

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