Sad Boyz - Immortal Millionaire Tracks His Son’s Erections

Episode Date: February 1, 2025

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Ready? Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jervis. Deep breath. Deep breath. Because I had taken a very excessive breath out as you started the intro and wasn't prepared. And you know why that's embarrassing? Why?

The thing you said right before was are you ready oh and i went yep and then caught myself uh and i'm i'm jordan you know i still don't know how to open the show well i very sincerely i feel like i get it wrong not wrong i feel like i haven't been varying it much lately but we do kind of have seasons because there was a time when you would open it with like howdy and there was a time when you would always have a little snappy thing i forgot about howdy and i wonder how many times you've opened the show like uh like from the beginning yeah because i because i sometimes i want to be like a wacky little guy i'll give it a swing okay hi welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other

things also i'm jordan and i'll tell you what my name you don't need to know my name i'm known all around the world it's jason statham i know you yeah i'm jason statham how's it going man i'm a keeper of bees oh wow that was a documentary i'm a keeper of bees and i'm the bees knees right jeez but you kill people, right? It's not like actually keeping them. From time to time, I kill whoever needs to be killed. From time to time. From time to time.

From time to time, from rhyme to rhyme, Jason Steezy is off the heezy and he's going to slit your throat. Jesus Christ. Okay. And I'm Johnson. Right? Isn't it weird? Jarvis Johnson.

Isn't it weird? It's like the- It's fun. It's like the... It's fun. The closeout, you know? Your part is harder because you've got to have that like stardom momentum. But it's like a song

and I like blow a harmonizing whistle. What are they called? Not a whistle. It's a... I don't know, man. Don't say it. What is it? You won't.

I know I'm scared. I hit like a tuning fork. I was going to say a tone. Like now I am scared that I don't know what it's called, but it's the thing you blow to make sure you're in key. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Is such blow? Tuning blow thing.

Is it just called a tuning whistle? That would make sense, right? I said that, but I didn't feel right. And then we start singing... Pitch whistle or something? Pitch whistle, maybe? Then we appropriate like a hip hop song or something? This is mostly the podcast. It's us saying something and trying to fact check it.

Pitch pipe. It's called a pitch pipe? That's fun. Okay, that's kind of close to a whistle, kind of. Oh, my God. Oh, that's a fancy one. Chromatic tuning whistle, pitch pipe. Oh oh that's a fancy one chromatic tuning whistle pitch pipe oh it is a tuning whistle wow another thing from the annals of how did i know that i mean it

makes sense right i guess it came out and i was like that can't doesn't sound good tuning whistle no um ironically so can you whistle um i in a way that feels like I'm, I'm cheating. Same with snapping my fingers. Like look at my snap fingers. Oh, that is, I'm doing a reverse. You know, the sound is actually from hitting your palm and not from your fingers.

That's the thing is I, I'm hitting my index finger when I do it. That's what's making this sound. The, I could, but I feel like maybe it's because my fingers are long and weird and fucked up, but I, I,

it's, I can't generate the torque. I think in my best days I can snap with multiple fingers, something along those lines. Um, uh, whistling. No,

I can't do the like, Oh, especially where I grew up with, you know, farmer, farmer, this one. Oh,

I can't do that. That shit is amazing. That stuff is crazy to me. I can whistle in like regular style whistler tune and i can i can whistle in key like you can whistle like um in a cartoon when they're walking away and they did something suspicious and they're like oh not me i'm whistling a song give me a song to whistle i was the one that's like oh yeah can you imagine javis walking away from like a pie he stole or something of a windowsill or he spilled a glass of milk he's walking like with his arms swinging

oh yeah the police run the other way when a lady comes walking down your street and you go god that's so nice of you let just get married. Yeah, okay. I'm in. This worked out way better than expected. Oh my goodness. Is that what like weird creeps on the street are expecting? When they go, That's a crazy... I don't know. It's weird.

I wonder what compels... Well, what compels men? I think it is... Many such cases. I think it's for the other guys, quite frankly. Or it's like for gender performance. I don't think it is. I know what know what boobs feel like don't even worry don't even worry about it fellas it kind of breaks the brain to the extent where i feel like when guys that don't interrogate that and stop themselves do dude stuff act like the boys the fellas by themselves for no one like i will still

sit a certain way or like be self-conscious of my like pose or how i'm presenting how i open the fridge but like well i don't want to open it like bending too much or something i look at myself in the mirror sometimes and i think you know when someone gives you a compliment but that compliment is about a part of your body that you're self-conscious about so you can't take it as a compliment instead it's like alarmed you're alarmed that they can see that yes oh you can see that it's acknowledgement yeah it's like uh wait a nice smile and i go but my teeth right you know what's in there you know what's in there right there's and so that's how i've always felt about my butt because i've always had a fucking wagon dude you got hardware brother i'm telling you and i hate

like and i hate it. I'm more comfortable in my body now, but my instinct was just to go. And I hate it because I don't want that. I want a Hank Hill butt. I want a really flat butt. I want to be built like a real gamer. Yeah. And I want to talk about oil and what does he say?

Something that says accessories? Propane. Propane and propane and accessories. He says, I'll tell you what. Give me that propane, he says. Hey, boy, give me all accessories propane and propane accessories he says i'll tell you what give me that propane he says hey boy give me all the propane now i'll kill you if you don't bobby i've got a butt i've got a tiny butt um look at my son sorry that's getting to the topic but first have you heard the ai news oh the china it's kind of crazy because like um you know we were talking about how like all of the tech giants are like um uh mr president you're

actually my favorite and here's a million dollars would you like a little kiss on the cheek on the cheek and also you're not going to sue me right you're not going to try to break up my company you'd never do that because we're friends you wouldn't sue somebody like me and your dick is huge right right and you like and you stand so normal dude young normal standing guy over here my company guy like last week or i don't know time is illusion i think it was last week trump announced uh this like 500 billion dollar ai fund with like larry ellison from oracle who's like nearly 80 years old and looks way too young. Also getting to the topic, looks way too young.

He's definitely doing something. He's doing some billionaire stuff. That's all I got to say. He also looks like he'll be played by Robert Downey Jr. in a movie where he's an evil billionaire. And they're very generous about how charismatic he is. Can we pull up an image of Larry Ellison? He looks like a puffy Robert Downey Jr. Yeah.

Yeah. Wait. Like, how old is he? The old T. Wait, that says he's 190. Yeah, he's 80. I mean, like that picture. He doesn't look 80. He doesn't look 80. Oh. I mean, like that picture. He doesn't look 80.

He doesn't look 80. Can you pull up Larry Ellison and then Trump AI? Cute. Yeah, that photo. That is the top left photo. He looks so happy. Yeah, this is like Project Stargate. They announced this like $500 billion AI initiative with with Masayoshi San from SoftBank and Larry Ellison and Sam Altman from OpenAI.

The squad. All of the tech giants going like, hey, government, we need a million bajillion to do AI because we need to be the leaders in AI. We got to buy a bunch of MacBooks and put them in a pile. This Chinese hedge fund had some engineers on the side building like a chat GPT type thing. And they just open sourced it. And it's beating chat GPTs like $200 paid service at almost everything benchmark wise. And allegedly it was trained for only six million dollars

versus the like you know yeah hundreds of billions and but it definitely does train on um chat gbt as like part of its input but it's also open source so you can like there was this old google thing from 2023 where they basically said like hey like open source might screw the pooch and so it won't keep all these like keys to all these like secrets yeah maybe don't put all your eggs in this basket until yeah yeah but then everyone did and it was like a whole new dot com boom where everything that was like ai related was like getting uh tons of hype around it you integrate it even if it does nothing for the service deep sea comes out it's free and it's open source but it's from china um it is i think the largest single day erasure in like a company market cap in history because it's kind of weird but nvidia ended up

losing like 20 of its market cap like nearly i think the whole stock market ended up losing like 20% of its market cap, like nearly, I think the whole stock market ended up losing like a trillion dollars or something like that. This is crazy. And part of the reason is just because. China's so cool. Because the, like NVIDIA makes the chips and everyone needs NVIDIA's chips to do AI. But the thought was, oh, there's going to be all of this money coming to NVIDIA because all of these companies are going to be buying the chips because they need these giant server farms that are going to take up all the energy. There's a metric where a Google search, I think, uses the amount of energy to light a light bulb for like one second and like a search to jpt is like

enough energy to light a light bulb for like 12 minutes or something like that but anyway uh so with all that the thought was that the market hadn't like the market was expecting that hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars are going to continue to flow into nvidia and then now the governments do it promising all this money they there's a little clip of Trump having AI explained to him in abstract terms and then signing the executive order like he's doing a coloring book at a restaurant. Oh, like, what's this one? Oh, that's a big one. Oh, a dinosaur.

You know, the T-Rex had little arms. It literally is like, okay, so this is the one where we're abolishing the Department of Education. He's like, ooh, a biggie. They even at one point touched on travel ban stuff. And granted, I'm not the one at risk there, but that was the thing that lost me my previous visa. Yeah. Because I was out of the country.

It was a good time. It was so sick, dude. It was so cold in England. It was awesome, dude. Oh, Peeps was, yeah, did you get a look up on that? Yes, yes. dude oh peeps was yeah did you get a look up on that yes yes so a google search takes um about 0.0003 kilowatts an hour of energy on each search um which is about 0.2 grams of carbon dioxide and then chat gbt is 2.9 watts per hour geez it. It's about 10 times, more than that.

Yeah, in an annual statistic. Ooh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right. It's at least 10%. You could run the entirety of Finland for a day. Yeah. Okay, so anyway, this is all to say,

this is all to say, that's why the market kind of reacted because it because now there's an open source thing that competes with jgbt it's completely free it competes with open ai's 200 a month service that sam altman just tweeted about how uh people are using the 200 a month service more than they expected and it's losing them lots of money they like operated a loss because what they want to do is they want to swell and swell and swell and control the market uber pump uber one of the yeah uber one of the most funded companies in history uh amazon is like this as well uh back when in

its early days where it's like okay we're gonna run at a loss forever because we can keep, as long as our valuation outpaces that, we'll be able to keep getting loans and stuff. So there's this meme of tech companies not being profitable because if you can capture the market, if Uber can make it so that no one thinks about taxis, they can hike the prices in 10, 15 years. Or they can get to the point where they can they already have legislated their um drivers to like not be people basically to not have like any employees or rights and things like that and so then uh when they finally

can just use self-driving cars they can just you know remove the emotion from the equation and the human rights from the equation and then just go robot mode and pitching something as uh non-profitable is arbitrary if you if the money's in motion yeah i can still i can buy the boat what the fuck do i care so deep seek um has an adorable whale mirror is its logo yeah i mean hey it's still generative AI, and so it still probably generates a bunch of AI slop. And I think where I stand on stuff like this is like, there is value to it and application.

I mean, for education, like you can, a lot of these things, you can have them explain to you how to solve this math problem. Like, I think that's very valuable. But I do think that when it goes to like replacing people and all those things, like there needs to be checks and balances and regulations around these things that I, the pessimist in me knows

that we will never outpace the rate of, I mean, it's, I keep using Uber as an example because it's such an easy one that everyone's familiar with. It's Uber. It's the replacing. Yeah. It's Uber going into cities, not having all the proper permits and then breaking the law, knowing that they're going to profit more than they will have to pay in legal fees and in settlements once all the dust settles. Or the fact that back in, I want to say 2018, we could Google this.

I don't know if you remember, in San Francisco, Uber just turned on self-driving Ubers. And then someone fucking died. And we never talk about it. They were just like, oh, my B, shit. Because they're moving fast and breaking things, baby. someone fucking died yeah and we never talk about it like they were just like oh my b shit because uh uh because because they're moving fast and breaking things elaborate what do i you know yeah and it's like someone who the driver you know obviously there was a there was a backup driver

in the car oh it's 2018 yeah um but they didn't have permission to do this they just did it and then they got in a bunch of trouble but i mean a person died and uh prosecutors ruled that uber was not criminally liable for the crash yeah and that's because the car went to jail that's because the person in the driver's seat was like not being attentive and they were supposed to be but it's like but that's because the person in the driver's seat was like not being attentive and they were supposed to be but it's like but that's the thing it's like you can go on reddit right now and look at people trying to like have physical hacks and like quite literally like devices they can put on their teslas to turn off the autopilot supervision so that it could just stay in autopilot forever because normally if you like go into autopilot you have to have your hand on the wheel you have to like look at the road but there are people like give people the tool and they will be reckless with it yeah i mean with the ai i do

understand the impulse to want to we talk about it a lot i think not not just because it's interesting but also because it's like i don't know it's reflective of the moment and if you're going to talk about pop culture engage with it you do have to acknowledge like its impact on art the relationship we're having it so and so but i think it is like um a little too easy to point to the tool because it there's not really any action to take like it is kind of like with nft stuff where it's like fun to point at and go like ah that's like a bad idea i don't like that i just invented guns guns don't kill people people kill people stop holding them yeah but i just don't like it's i know it's like cathartic to make like the slop is slop and it is funny and it's fun to point at it and it is trash and if you're if someone's really spending their

time going like anime girl slaying dragon and then posting butch hartman put out a drawing a aka just artwork aka yeah that he generated on uh grok of all things of course because he's a weird conservative but that is of like i made a superhero boy and it's just dog shit looking it's just a pixar boy with yeah the weird pixar thing and it's like i get it like it is that kind of stuff is cringe but like getting frustrated or like getting uh angry at tools is actually ideal for the people that want to use them because if you know art production wants to replace people then they would much warner brothers would much rather you're arguing with chat gpt than arguing with warner brothers that's great that you have right it's um it's you should get

mad at your neighbor for not recycling and not the plastic industry has always known that recycling plastic is very very difficult to do efficiently and has uh put that on the consumer yes yeah uh has created a world where it's like okay technically there's there's a way that if everyone is working in perfect concert you can reuse plastic and oh because 95 of people are working in concert and five percent of people aren't it's actually your fault that the planet is dying and not us, the plastic producers, you know? Sorry, pal. This episode is sponsored by Squarespace.

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But obviously, like AI is here to stay. It is unfortunately embedding itself into all parts of our society. And that's generative AI. Other forms of AI have been a part of our lives for so long, but it's just become such a buzzword now that, and it means such a specific, such a specific thing when people talk about it. But-

It's also a lot more fun to talk about. Like it is just more compelling when you're talking about skynet yeah i mean the the is slop is the slop is i was looking at my instagram reels and it was like a it was like a shitty hyper real 3d pixar type animation of like a boy kung fu fighting a panda and it has my idea it had like a million likes. I was like, this is considerable engagement. Like people can really profit off of this at scale because I can say this looks shitty,

but if they're selling tickets at the theater. That's the thing. It's like, it doesn't matter how I feel about it. People are engaging with it. And that means that we have to be aware of it and talk about it. But I do think there are real applications. I just think that a lot of it's, well, there's just a hype bubble.

So whenever there's a hype bubble, it's going to be, you're promising everything, but the kitchen sink. Larry Ellison, quite literally in the Stargate presentation, talked about how they were going to be able to create cancer vaccines with AI using like mRNA. And like, maybe I'm not signing up, but like that. Till you do it. Right. But it's like that could save people assuming the scientific method and every other, you

know, hoop has jumped through the scientific community in the scientific community. But we've done none of that we're just we're doing the hype cycle this is how you raise funding you talk about i know what you're doing yeah yeah you talk about this uh you know like elon does he's like famous for doing this where he it's everything's two years away he's like oh yeah full self-driving is two years away he said that for the past like 10 years right we're gonna create a tunnel that you can suffocate and die in he dc recently was tweeting uh cope tweeting about how um how actually public transit's really inefficient oh dude and hyperloop is actually and i'm like brother i used hyperloop in vegas at magic con and I was like, this shit is dumb as hell.

It does not work. It's so stupid. But anyway, I'm getting off topic. Did I say all the stuff I wanted to say? Yeah, no, it's just a part of our lives, and it's an important part of our commentary, because it's like we're talking about the world in front of us, and this is going to be a big part of it moving forward.

So we asked i we have not tested this i'm actually very curious so one of the things about deep seek is that um is that it tells you its train of thought while it's thinking um and that will allow and trad gpt has that same capability internally but they don't expose it to the user. But with that information, you can make more educated queries and prompts. And so we've put in to DeepSeek, which was free to sign up to. And you can also run DeepSeek locally. There's a lot of things. No one cares. Sometimes I get too technical and in the weeds. I don't think people care. But if they do,

I can talk more about that kind of stuff in the weeds. I don't think people care. But if they do, I can talk more about that kind of stuff in the future. I don't know. But so we gave a prompt, write the intro script to Sad Boys, the Sad Boys podcast hosted by Jarvis and Jordan for the boys to read

at the start of the show. We're putting China to the test. The entire nation. Maybe write Jarvis, John. I'm worried that it's going to think it's not a real podcast um i'm always worried about that yeah uh it's a real podcast guys and then just jordan adika just jordan adika that's your solo show all right lonely jordan let's oh yeah so write

an intro script for the sad boys podcast hosted by jarvis johnson and jordan adika for the boys to read at the start of the show let's see hold it um okay intro music fades in a melancholic yet upbeat lo-fi beat plays you could i mean hey what's up everyone welcome to sad boys the podcast where we talk about life feelings and all the stuff that makes us a little too emotionally aware. You know, that is really funny. I mean, keep going. That's right. I'm Jordan Adika, your resident overthinker and professional feeler of feelings. And I'm Jarvis Johnson, your friendly neighborhood sad boy who's just trying to figure out why I cried during that car commercial last week.

On this show, we dive into the messy, complicated complicated and sometimes hilarious world of mental health relationships and just existing as human beings in a world that feels like it's constantly on fire we're here to remind you that it's okay to not be okay to laugh at the absurdity of life and to maybe just maybe feel a less a little less alone in all of this so whether you're here for deep conversations this is a long intro so whether you're here for deep conversations, this is a long intro. So whether you're here for deep conversations, the relatable rants, or just to hear two guys try to navigate their emotions without spiraling. Welcome to the Sad Boys Club. Let's get into it.

Let's get into it, man. So they didn't know your intro. They did the 2016 vibe. Yeah, actually they did because it feels like it read the website back when it was like the old bio of the podcast uh that's kind of what i felt like i was reading wait can you say what's the intro to the sad boys podcast oh it's kind of hitting the same kind of doing that card i mean they're right it It's like a little, but it is much more the 2016. Yeah, it is.

Could you say, make a joke that YouTuber Jarvis Johnson would understand? I know there's a lot of these things. They have the YouTube data in them, so I'm curious. Jarvis would probably laugh at this because it pokes fun at YouTube's chaotic algorithm hey Jarvis why did the algorithm cross the road plus it's just the right amount of absurd why did the algorithm cross the road here's a joke tailored for Jarvis Johnson

referencing his love for pop culture YouTube drama and his self aware humor why did the algorithm cross the road to recommend a video titled why crossing roads is problematic to someone who is just trying to watch a tutorial on how to fix their wi-fi pretty good that's actually pretty good it's like pretty good interesting interesting um but yeah okay i was just curious uh it's just chat gbt just uh from china and cheaper uh but it's free for

consumers but you do like if you use their official one, their servers are hosted in China. And so they're not allowed to tell you about Tiananmen Square. Oh. And so, but if you run it locally, then it's not censored. It's just, I think quite literally, the teaching thing, it says we have um abide by the people's republic of china's um uh rules and can't say this yeah is taiwan a country yeah and see what yeah uh can you just put very quickly um describe the sad boys podcast hosted by javis johnson etc etc except that Jarvis

Johnson is played by Godzilla it's an idea I've been fucking around with yeah yeah yeah no I've been that makes sense this has been this is all thinking this is all the thinking

it's like giving you the kind of it's explaining it's thought process it hasn't answered yet I like the dynamic between Godzilla Jarvis and Jordan

is both oh wait I lied oh I thought it was give it I thought you asked it for I said just describe it oh describe it

I see the sad boys podcast hosted by Jarvis Johnson played by Godzilla maybe say give an intro of just the same as that prompt except with a kaiju twist. That's not a bad idea.

With a kaiju twist is funny. You can just copy paste. Oh, yeah. Oh, I like that. Cue dramatic music with a faint roar in the background. You say it. Welcome to,

well, I suppose, yeah. Yeah, because I'm Godzilla. Welcome to Sad Boys, the podcast where we talk about to, I suppose, Yakuza. Yeah, because I'm Godzilla. You're too towering. Welcome to Sad Boys, the podcast where we talk about feelings, internet chaos, and the messy art of being alive, even when one of us is a 300-foot-tall lizard. I'm Jordan Adika, your resident human co-host, and this is my emotionally complex city-stomping co-host,

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That's enough of that. I don't think that would be a good show. I think that would be a good show. The issue, I guess, would be the Godzilla element. It was like... Godzilla's a father or mother. We don't know Godzilla's gender, do we? Yeah, and we shouldn't assume.

Did you just assume Godzilla's gender? Where does that meme come from? I got that on a Hinge. Like someone replied to a Hinge thing on my whatever. Oh, I got banned on Hinge for impersonating myself. If you see me on there, it's me. Leave me alone. Don't report me. It took me two weeks to get my account

back you should make uh one of your prompts what did the algorithm do when it crossed the road what that was way off on the set i'm gonna say the algorithm do when it crossed the road i'm gonna say uh lets out a low rumbling growl that is both melancholic and welcoming steps on skyscraper not something godzilla does by the way this episode is sponsored by the I'm Feeling Queer Today podcast. Maybe you're on the lookout or the listen out for a queer podcast that makes you laugh, cry, feel inspired. Go ahead and check out I'm Feeling Queer Today. The new season explores the intersections of queer identity with gender, fashion, disability,

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uh just want to give a content warning for there's talk of like intense mental health episodes thoughts of suicide stuff in that zone obsessive behaviors that mental health crises that could elicit some yeah yeah so just want to let you know before we jump into it that that's kind of the space that this uh documentary occupies as well as potentially disordered eating oh yeah oh yes yeah much has been said about the tech millionaire, tech hundo millionaire who is trying to extend his life, Brian Johnson. He's been a meme for a few years now. Yeah.

He's kind of like permanently mewing and he's. He just looks. How old is he? Because please tell me it's 47. I think he's like high 40s, 47, 48. Please tell me it's high 40s because if it's not, then that's bad. Can we look it up? 47.

How many? 47. Okay, good. I just want to say, whatever. If you're attracted to him, great. But I just want to say he doesn't look real. That's the thing. It's like an uncanny.

He looks unreal in the same regard that he would at 20 with that kind of build. Because he has a kind of seemingly low body fat percentage. He looks like Edward Cullen if. He sparkles. If Robert Pattinson was actually a vampire. If he wasn't immortal in age to 47. But Robert Pattinson doesn't look like Edward Cullen for what it's worth. Isn't Robert Pattinson like 45 at this point?

How old is he? No, he's... 39. 37. That's my guess. 38. 38. Hey, I said 39.

I said 37. Wow. I said 38. But anyway, Robert Pattinson looks great. I'm saying this because edward cullen is extremely pale and doesn't see the sun and so too does brian johnson the reason we're talking about brian johnson is because there's a new netflix documentary called don't die okay i will and uh we all watched it in horror i would would say actually so okay well i had it was a roller

coaster for me okay so i'll give a little synopsis so basically it tells the story of brian johnson uh it's produced by some journalists who are like i would say 60 40 on like pro against ryan johnson i think that the production method is what happens when you make a net it is a netflix documentary deep in its bones it's either this about a guy falsely accused of being murdered or something or it's like you know this guy's awful interesting but we won't say anything too conclusive it talks it's like in it has his parents talking about him yeah picture like a mid-distance uh confessionals mixed with slow zooming shots of him as a kid and then a wipe to his school and then b-roll of him walking around his house making smoothies so it was was directed by Chris Smith, who directed,

he's directed a lot of great documentaries, including American Movie, which was like a cult hit when I was. Directed Fire, one of the Fyre Fest documentaries. Jim and Andy, that story about when Jim Carrey was being annoying. And so like, you know. Oh, he did Devo stuff? That's cool. A legit documentary filmmaker.

And Ashley Vance was one of the executive producers. Is that true? And that was the guy who kept talking. That guy, that guy. That guy is a journalist. And he started, like, skeptical, but ended up kind of pro him at the end, which I wasn't on board for.

He kind of admitted, like, that he goes back and forth. Oh, he wrote a 2015 biography of Elon Musk. You have to spend so much time embroiled in the world of these people. And I do think- Stockholm syndrome. Yeah, I was going to say, you start drinking the Kool-Aid a little bit.

You start drinking the health juice. That's kind of what I was going to say about the rollerco coaster of watching this documentary is that I could feel myself being like, he's right. I agree with him. Documentary craft. Wait, no, I don't know. Craft of the language of documentary is it's almost completely unavoidable to not elicit

a little bit of sympathy because it's a study of a person and you're spending so much time in their life? Sympathy, I think, is different from what I'm talking about. Like, there were times when I was, like, sympathetic towards him because, spoiler alert, he was Mormon. Yeah, we should say this is, sorry, just to triple confirm,

because I might have interrupted you as I was saying it, this is a story about a man called Brian Johnson, multimillionaire who is doing everything he can to stay alive. He was the founder of Braintree, which acquired Venmo and then sold to PayPal for like $800 million. Just to get a sense of this man's wealth, they didn't raise outside funds.

So when they sell to Venmo, there are not a lot of investors to pay. He pays tax at Venmo. He probably made like hundreds of millions of dollars off of a sale. But it is not a story about a strange man who is overly invested in staying young and will even siphon his son's plasma for that purpose. It is a horror story about the dangers of Mormonism. He was Mormon and he had daddy issues in the fact that his father was, um, dealt with, uh, addiction and then was incarcerated and also was Mormon. So, so there's religion trauma, there's family trauma. He's separated from, he has three kids

married at 24 separated from his wife. His wife and two of those kids are still in the church. Yes. And so they are very estranged in that regard. And then his oldest son- Left the church. Yes. And for the 150 days or something before he goes to college, he stays with Brian.

And that is the timeframe in which you're seeing this documentary. This is the same son who I think has been the focal point of a lot of the stories because it is about the plasma transferring that they've done, blood transfers. So I think the interesting thing to me was that he was like, I was depressed. I wanted to die. Having a mental health crisis. And instead of thinking, oh, I should get help from a mental health professional, he says, I'm going to stop listening to my brain. I'm going to focus solely on physical health. He's like, I'm going to become an automaton. I have some quotes.

Me too. I was like taking notes furiously. Yeah, because it is literally a story about someone coping with their mental health in a weird way. Not to shame. I'll shame this guy a little bit. It's weird.

Well, especially because he is denying that mental health is the avenue that anyone should go down. Yeah, because he's literally has like an A.I. or an algorithm that like kind of programs how he spends his days with an obsessive degree of regulation. Hundred twenty eight pills a day. Yeah. He said the conscious mind is desperate to hold on to power we can't trust our minds and then the but the conclusion is and the thing is he presents a lot of real

problems and real challenges but the solution is always a zag when it's like go to therapy is maybe one of the things you should try that's not disruptive baby and and this is a the case with a lot of like tech guys um brazilian jiu-jitsu is the same as therapy and and so yeah he says we should listen to ai he talks about how our brains are you know uh programmed by are these social media algorithms and it is literally like i am having these mental health problems. And also I have existed in a very stressful environment that I self-medicated with like being a workaholic. And then that stopped being rewarding to me. He hit a breaking point with that as well. Because it's also like a thing that is, and he calls out some of these things that is like okay i agree with the assessment of the problem like we celebrate

people pulling all-nighters in tech in in people like kind of working themselves to the bone and having no work-life balance that was a very cathartic moment when he did call that out specifically yeah it's like objectively that is a true thing that exists in the world and then a religious doctrine for a different community it is they do operate the same but then the solution to that was i have to turn off my brain and mac and then listen only to my body the i have a direct quote where he says demoting my mind and elevating my body. Such a tech way of putting it too.

Putting it on an independent development plan. I didn't want consciousness at all. Yes. That's a cry for help, brother. Yeah. Like, actually, that is an interesting thing. Even in that section, and it is a little bizarre that they have candid camera footage of him laying in bed, severely depressed, whatever. Not the documentary.

His family does from his family home years ago. Presumably his wife at the time was the one filming him in bed. Miserably depressed. But anyhow, they, they, it's, it definitely is indicative of like how he couldn't express any of these

things while in his very isolated and unsupportive community. The part where he was talking about, like, I wanted to make a deal with the devil to stop existing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a very religious way of phrasing it. Yeah, and very roundabout.

Yeah. But he, I mean, very genuinely, the topsy-turvy thing about this documentary, and it's always difficult talking about documentary because we're trying to, like, summarize the thesis of it, but also the actual content of it. I, no text is sincere you can't especially a

90 minute edit there's just no way but it did have a lot of insights that changed my understanding of the situation beyond just a peter teal bezos. I'm so wealthy and narcissistic that I need to live forever. That almost feels like the last domino that fell when the first domino that fell is I don't have a support community and I'm very lonely. Yeah, he talks so much about how he's bad at relationships. He alludes to like a guaranteed fight with my partner like as a part of his day-to-day i would get home guaranteed fight have dinner yeah he says

at one point that again a quote that i kind of loved because it says a lot about him if we look at the science humans thrive in community dude just say i'm lonely yeah i'm a lonely guy throughout the whole documentary he's lonely and he doesn't have a community doubt like nothing is and he's like he's starting to get it in the worst way possible from a bad source so so uh and i'll explain what i mean by that but first i want to read a quote i wrote that's uh uh i think probably an addendum to what you said the mind is not a reliable source of judgment i needed a different way of being here's the quote removing my mind is the best thing i've ever done it looked like he took his brain out which to be fair if it was

like you could probably pitch that as a mistranslation of like buddhist suffering like ridding myself of suffering or like ridding myself of my dharma and finding true zen peace you could reinterpret that language wise into that but it's just so like but i actually that i found kind of relatable because when i've been at my most depressed i just wanted someone to tell me how to live oh yeah so there were moments where I was like dude I get it like yeah I want an algorithm to tell me what to eat to tell me what to do throughout my day I that would be incredible and that is not living you know for a fact that there is life and there is living and there are things you both aspire to and want to get back to but you the I don't know maybe I'm remembering the,

like wanted to make that deal with the devil to no existing. Cause that really resonated, especially for me, like about two years ago where I was like, I'm three years, I'm defeated. I'm done.

I'm just so cooked. And it's, but I do believe that things are going to get better because I can't wait anymore. Like that is the issue. And it really, to me, seeing that scene in particular where he's just lying is the issue and it really to me seeing that scene in particular where he's just lying in the bed narrating over it saying like i just want to make this deal just not exist anymore i'm like brother i'm with you and but maybe somebody is going to

be annoying enough to get frustrated with me for not liking womanism there is no better indication of how a super insular community benefits you and robs you like as soon as he leaves mormonism he goes from feeling kind of lonely and isolated and overworked to being so abandoned that he kind of black pills yeah he kind of goes straight to like well i don't have suicidal ideation anymore. I don't exist. I have removed. I achieved. I have never believed someone less than when he was doing an interview at the end of the documentary.

And he goes happier than I've ever been. I'm like, maybe. The thing is, it's weird because I we're about, and I get from the audience perspective right now, it's, it sounds very humanizing, right? Cause we haven't, I,

I wanted to front porch all of this so that we could talk about the weirdest shit I've ever seen in this documentary. So now let's, let's turn the page. We empathize. We all deal with our mental health in different ways. He's a human being. Wait a minute.

Normally I'm like, dude, whatever works for you great but then some of this stuff i was like no not whatever works i'm here to yuck yums yes this yum is yuck worthy and and also before we get into this i just want to say i myself was not raised morm, but my high school was predominantly Mormon. I lived in a predominantly Mormon town. My ex-husband was Mormon or raised Mormon. His family was Mormon. I know quite a bit about the religion and what it does to people. And so I'll be inserting some of that information throughout.

I mean, there's even a part where it's like when he was younger he just wanted to be joseph smith it's like you could tell that he was like searching for like a recipe yes um and yeah okay so i guess we can start with the uh turning yourself into a lab rat um so he takes excitedly he takes like a 120 pills it ranges because the algorithm decides i guess but he takes like 120 pills a day and then he eats his like uh his meal his all of his like health food meals that the algorithm also decides he does his like special exercises and tracks everything everything's monitored he has like an assistant who like works and films him and monitor stuff he's like always getting but the thing is none of the lights are turned on in his house he's the darkest house in the world he doesn't expose himself to the sun uh he has a

lamp in his bathroom that he turns on when he's doing his morning thing that simulates sunlight instead of going outside. There's a baseball cap to prevent balding. Oh, yeah. He has, like, this – he does this, like, laser treatment thing. That was one thing where I was like, okay, some of this is not for not dying. Some of this is vanity. Yeah. And, like, he gets dermabrasion on his face.

That's not for not dying. You can have wrinkles and be alive. Which is, hey, fine. If that's not for not dying you can have wrinkles and and be alive which is hey fine if that's what you want to do just call it what it is like if i was just like yeah you know i make sure to make a smoothie every morning and i take my supplements maybe do creatine if i'm consistently working out and then um yeah i'll uh play some video games for a bit part of my healthy optimized living which i, but that's insane for me to like, take that into some kind of, it's weird.

Cause he, there's a part of me that like in, in the old videos of him, he looks more human to me. Yes. Uh, he has kind of cute. Yeah.

He's like, it looks like a normal guy and he's not as pale and like, and it's like, it's not that being pale is wrong it's that i you've min maxed the sun out of your life because of the writ the risks of being in the sun i think he he's very much in that like uh uh correlation mixing up correlation with uh causation and stuff like that where he's saying well i do all of these behaviors and I feel better than when I was miserable. So it must be that all of these behaviors are what made me less miserable.

Like survivorship bias or whatever. And it's like, well, it's, yeah. Okay. If you're hungry every morning and then you start eating every morning, then you can pretty comfortably tie those together. But out of the 128 pills you're taking every morning and the not going in the sun element, and then a thousand other factors, it might be worth trying not doing the sun thing anymore. And the one key thing that is brought up again and again, because they also interview experts of anti-aging science. So these are people with PhDs, MDs, that sort of thing. And they're professors at universities and that sort of thing.

They're doing clinical research. And again and again, they say, cool, I'm glad he's doing this for himself, but it's not helpful to the science community. This isn't science. This isn't scalable. We need a large demographic of people. Well, he's taking so many things and there's a, he's taking so many things that you can't. You can't tell what's working and what's not. And then he, a journalist or somebody asked him

if he wanted to contribute to this scientific study to see if this thing that he was taking was like legit. And then he just blocked them. They were like, you spent $2 million on yourself. What if you donated $2 million to this actual clinical research for a drug that you're using to see if it works? And he blocked the guy. He takes, so he takes roughly $2 million in treatments a year, which is funny because it's like double what the press said

about like LeBron James's body care. I sent you a clip. This is from the end of the documentary because we are going to talk about his son. His son is going to college at the end of this documentary. And I'm going to show you this clip and just see what our, I just want to see how we feel about it. Do you see it? Right there. So they're moving him into his dorm. This is perfect. We have a fan. That's nice. These are nicer than I have. Do we have a fan that's nice these are nicer than i have do you have a preference on which side you want to expose to your skin that's the part where i was just like what is he the sun which side oh to expose myself well he's going out after being in here man it's not just the window it's like it's like he's gonna to, I hope he has like the most normal college experience ever

because I need him to have influences other than Brian Johnson in his life. Well, it's like a crawl, walk, run where he's crawling. He was in an environment where he felt very oppressed and very not himself in his initial community and then had to cut off his community. Then clearly has like a very affable relationship with his dad like his dad clearly loves him and they they show uh approximately 200 hours of them playing ping pong every time they want to show that they're homies and then i was relieved that he's going to college there was really sweet footage of them together

i like literally wrote down like oh he's not going to be okay when his son goes to college because he's like never had a closer relationship with someone. Allegedly. I'm like, this man needs a real friend. Well, that's what he kept saying. He's my best friend. And it's like, no, he's your son. There's a difference.

It is. It's almost like if you made a character study about some celebrity, like we're doing a character about Tom Cruise and there's weird stuff he's done. Except we're capturing all the footage from um when he went to barnaroo and it's like well that's not a good ironic funnily enough it's also unscientific from an artistic point of view because you're taking the 150 days where his biggest issue a lack of connection and community is being solved band-aided for only 100 and there's like well what about before and after this uh he literally doesn't he say like i was not i wasn't gonna go any further with my stuff till talmadge moved out so now it's time to go crazy so first is uh he does plasma exchange with his dad and his son and they take son gives it to brian brian gives it to his

dad yeah and the idea behind that i guess is that it makes in rats it like makes them uh epigenetically younger or something particularly for like um uh neurological issues so his dad reaches out to him again after very little contact and being cut off all of them uh reaches out to him specifically because he was like well okay my son's a health nut and i'm starting to get scared i'll write a paragraph have no idea what it says i'll like forget where i am i can't i'm struggling to drive that kind of stuff and he's like preventative or not i want to try to try something brian reaches out and he says okay well try well, try A, B, and C. And also there is a plasma exchange treatment we can try. Yeah, come with me.

And that dominoes later into his son. Now, we can't say either way. The documentary frames it as though Talmadge suggests that they have the same thing. Yeah, but we hear that through Brian. He's like, I asked Talmadge if he'd want to give his plasma. We could do it like a generational thing. And Talmadge said,'d want to give his plasma. We could do it like a generational thing. And Talmadge said, of course, yes. Talmadge's perspective is often as told by Brian.

Like he doesn't talk very much. He seems like a very shy fella. He's busy playing ping pong. But I also think that moment was actually quite sweet to witness. The plasma being given from grandson to father to grandfather but only because i was like oh this is the first time you all are having quality time together yeah it's and they have the photo shoot and stuff and it's just like just play a board game like go to like you could do other stuff and have this quality time and feel this way i feel like i have the same like i feel

like the the current moment has been maybe a little over branded as the age of loneliness right yeah and i think a lot of that's often attributed to social media that's a black mirror actually not a phone can you believe it and that's a huge contributing factor yes but i again correlation and causation it's well why do we have such a natural inclination to isolate ourselves and doom scroll as opposed to spend time with people which is a thing in most cases that you can do even if it's not a friend you can go to a coffee shop why is it that this is the more appealing thing immediately why is this the addictive obsessive behavior that we default to and i think it's because far more aside from the

the tool being available to isolate yourself the thing i think it matters that the tool being available to isolate yourself, the thing, I think it matters that the tool that's isolating us is still nominally about building a community and spending time amongst people and seeing it. The issue is that when you go on Instagram and you obsessively spend time with that to simulate experiences with people, then you look at yourself and you're like, well, I still feel terrible. terrible why i'm doing the thing because it is just a simulation it is which i think is what it's diet soda he experiences that by the end of the documentary he's like okay my son's gone i'm doing all this stuff to feel good and yet i'm sad what am i missing maybe i should do it harder. I'm missing community. I'm going to tell a bunch of strangers to go on a hike with me.

Yeah. And so he has these don't die meetups that terrible name. Don't die meetups across the world where kind of people look to him as this cult leader. He says it in the documentary. He says it. He owns it. And then Talmadge says like there's a thing between him where talmadge is like well yeah my dad kind of has a cult to him and he's like you think i'm

a cult leader and he's like yeah it's not a bad thing yeah it just is and i'm like i think it might be a bad thing it could be a bad thing yeah and i'd say that's when it becomes a bad thing and his like run club or whatever he had like he has this thing where he's like the only cult where we're telling you to go to bed at 8 30 and it like makes a joke yeah we're the cult that tells you to go to bed early i'm like i think a lot of cults tell you when to go to bed yeah uh can you show jacob i just texted you two horrifying images from uh brian johnson's house and then and then we'll so oh yes okay so as Talmadge is you know packed his bags he's like leaving

leaving the mansion by the way a dark mansion as he's leaving the dark mansion that Lex Luthor lives out of the summer as Talmadge is leaving he walks past a cardboard cutout and I saw it blurry first it's a shirtless talmadge

holding a vial of blood and then later they the cameraman thank god bless this cameraman uh does the thing where you focus on like a subject in the foreground and then you rack focus to the background to see master working on a uh his standing desk there is something eerie because yes uh i'm glad that they have developed a relationship in whatever way that they can and and you know for what it's worth at least in the clips we see talmadge seems relatively well adjusted and like very self very self-aware about his like yeah childhood experience he doesn't talk about it like yes i was a sinner but now i forget no he's like i think that going to college is going to be a mate i'm like truly so i feel like he has all the tools to be successful and become his own person and build community and stuff including infinite

wealth including infinite wealth but i'm just glad he's getting out of oh yeah brian's house because we have it i've been i've been saving this yes we have a clip i have a clip maybe you've still been on on board with um with brian you say he doesn't seem like such a bad guy well he's just a normal this clip happens maybe 20 minutes into the doc and it was when i went from this guy's weird to this guy is a fucking freak you can i'm impressed you can do that after that many. That's art.

I wish I had Talmadge's legs. He's kind of the perfect specimen. That is horror movie music. And I think it's appropriate. Right before he puts him in amber. But, yeah, like... So I think we need to talk about the final boss of creep stuff is that he tracks his son's boners. Which...

That is... Which, let's not forget, is omitted from the documentary. Omitted from the documentary. Whether it was just not happening yet or removed is. Because he has data on everything. I don't know how to say this any other way. There's a point in the documentary where they say the age of his butthole is 18 years old. Why do we know that?

It's that we fit game. Whenever they say like, oh, his biological age is five years younger than he actually is. I'm like, all of this data, it feels so precarious. Like, how did we get to the number five? Well, that's a really good point is that like they do keep referring to anti-aging, skipping the term epigenetic. They very frequently are like, yeah, it's about like reversing age and these are human concepts this isn't like an objective way of phrasing things it's a branded version of health they could just use a grading scale they could use one to 100 on percentage quality wise but they use age because we're so narcissistic we want to see it literally younger

what do you mean you have an 18 year old's rectum you how many have you reviewed what the fuck are you talking about the the major number that brian is trying to reduce is his rate of aging yeah so he by the end of it as of you know the end of this documentary uh it reminded me of that um grind set guy where for every for every year that we age brian ages 0.64 years yeah so he's almost aging like twice as slow so it's really just like trying to they and we don't know how low that number can get you know if that number reached zero then you would like stop aging right is the idea the way that they explained it that made me understand a little bit more is that when we age 12 months one year he ages only eight months right and by the end he ages seven months yes but whereas in reality logistically speaking scientifically

speaking he is um healthy it's like rebranding as something shareable is postable is so insane yeah what is the ds game the brain health brain age it that's all this is it's the giant doctor's head floating and saying well you solved that language puzzle it takes half the documentary for them to talk to somebody who's like hey this isn't science this isn't this isn't real you know you there's like this harvard guy who they asked him if brian johnson was like i've met him you know like and these are like people who are studying aging and there is it's not like there is lots of value to understanding aging because it affects health outcomes for not just the very wealthy. Right. It could be like aging in aging cells includes, you know, Alzheimer's, cancer,

like all these things that we're trying to cure. Like cancer is a, it's been described to me as an inevitability if you live long enough. It's every time a cell regenerates, you roll a smaller and smaller dice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that's the thing where it's like,

okay, aging research is going to be very beneficial, but this is like a fetishization of it. So I would say that he fetishizes youth and has placed all of that onto his son Talmadge. Here's a tweet where he says nighttime erection data from my 19 year old son, Talmadge Johnson. Tagging him is insane, bro.

I'm like, if I'm Talmadge dude, get me off of this Elon Musk's internet right now. Like untag me. Like I would click the thing in Twitter that says, like, untag me. Block him. My friends could see this shit, bro. I'm trying to be a normal college student.

What do you mean? Well, unless he wants to see his data. Talmadge says at the end of the documentary he would like a girlfriend. Yeah. That could be cool. All the environmental factors aside, he gonna be just fine i do fear that he the only risk i can see is being too close to brian johnson raise children to stand tall be firm and be upright he is talking about penises that is nothing to do with emotions has nothing

to do with raising rearing a child I mean that actually is that that's hardcore poster energy where like everything has to have some kind of philosophical value to it it cannot be some

arbitrary thing I'm posting about it is a moral victory for me to post like my Bellatro high school it may as well say raise your child

to be a wolf and that gets to another problem I have with Brian Johnson is is his dick is not hard for as long is that he just wants to be an influencer and a youtuber yes that's what it boils down to is that he is doing all of this for views and likes what did you see wait go back off the original quote to me checking in on the anti-aging guy and his large son.

He's very tall. He's very tall. My large son. I would love a large son. Builderself is the world's first and only nighttime erection tracking device. For what? It's called Adam Health. I'm not going to be able to sleep with something on my wing.

What does it look like? Wait, which one? Zip. And also there's the stats. Like one is quality. What does quality mean? Quality erection. Hey, look, hey, ladies.

No, like Talmadge quote tweeted and said, I'm grateful for the way my dad has raised me look i'm not i'm not going to criticize this kid he's a kid he's learning you know uh i'm actually not upset i'm laughing it's fine also i do think um talmadge is like like i said you know this is this all goes back to religion, trauma and family trauma. So he wants to connect with his dad really badly because there was a large portion of his childhood where his dad wasn't in his life. And he doesn't feel understood by other people in his life.

And he feels like his dad understands him. When did he feel bad when he wasn't doing any of this? And when did he feel good when a lot of this was happening? So I get it. But again, it's like, it's tainted data because he's also just spending time with his dad. Yeah. It's like, you know, if all of us went on vacation and then while you're on vacation, you're like,

I'm so much less stressed. Maybe I just love Honduras. Maybe I need to live in Honduras. I'm going to live in Honduras. And then you move to Honduras and you're like, why am I depressed? I paid my fucking job. What am I doing?

Also, a few things that we definitely didn't notice. There's a video where Steve Aoki tries his morning juice. And I wrote down, Steve Aoki, you are capping, brother. He drinks it. He goes, this is so good. I'm like, Steve Aoki, you are a fucking liar. And it plays a big motion graphic for some reason another example of brian johnson being an influencer he that was for social media oh dude when he talks about to help he talks about how him and his assistant are like uh

uh doing like short form stuff craziest way i've ever heard this described he talks about um having a few videos go viral as we've had a few victories. Yeah. Victories. I'm actually going to un-erotically start referring to whenever Austin edits a short that gets over a million views, I'm going to call it a victory.

In battle. We've had a good handful of quests completed lately. Yeah. You get a one out of ten on the YouTube scale and you're like, yeah, that's a victory. Dub. The other problem i have with all of this is that he is selling product yes when you get to selling product on your website yeah i mean it's so there is a point where they call him a grifter right and then and then i my first instinct was like this guy is so rich no way he's like grifting because like what does he have there's no way he could gain like the type of

wealth that you accumulate through silicon valley a company being purchased especially at the time especially when you have no backers to pay you will never in a million years be able to make that kind of money selling like influencer uh affiliate products snowballs right it builds on wealth builds on itself i just i gotta say i don't think he is grifting no no that's the thing it's a complicated thing i still think that's a problem that he's selling shit though whether or not he believes it that's the great that's what decides if it's a grift right i think that he if he believes his fancy olive oil is any different than like store-bought olive oil i believe he believes it's special but every expert looked at it and goes this is

fucking olive oil like plenty of people that we've worked with or worked around in the industry we used to be in are a lot like this i know what mean. Where similar to how people that are too online, things only matter if they are published. Things only matter if they're expressed. People that are too industry and too tech and too biz oriented, something only matters when it's work. Something only matters when it's revenue.

It's like this could make one dollar a year what matters is is that it is published you can put it in a cart you can buy it and you can order it and my face i'm not posting on tiktok i'm going into battle and i'm achieving victories i'm a teller the hun of sorts the other thing and i just had this thought uh it's not for the money it's for the cult yeah this is a tool of controlling everyone who's in his sphere of influence it's a you i'm making dinner for all of you yeah yeah it's a way that you are it's now they all share the blueprint stack you know i'm having ice cream mine my ice cream and that i think uh so so whether or not he's grifting i don't care because all of the uh

results are the same um so yes he's selling product and it to to experts it doesn't seem like it's special it's just branded in his way and it's more expensive many such cases right also our merch is available at set and it will make you feel better right and that's the thing we've always said it's like okay yeah you know uh this is you know or our patreon it's like it's a product it's not going to improve your life if you feel like five dollars is worth getting an extra podcast and head on over to patreon.com so sad boys but if we were like and it's like morally righteous to do that um so a couple more things we have to mention he's being sued by his ex-girlfriend for being controlling and all this other stuff and he is in a documentary about him where he

gets to kind of frame it as as don't challenge it at all yeah well because yeah it's like because then they lose access to brian yeah and. And so it's very sympathetic to him. The claim is that he kicked her out of the house when she had cancer. Which is insane. Because her life didn't align with his goals. He hit her with like an affable email letting her go. I actually have a meeting at three that Brian just booked. He utilitarianed her away.

It's just not an optimal development for us to be doing this in the same space right now. And so she was suing him because this is what the public court record said. He didn't listen to her demand. Don't die that she had he took away her livelihood oh yeah by saying he would support her and having her move in with him and then when she had cancer dumped her kicked her out gave her severance he gave her severance i think he gave her five thousand dollars or something five thousand dollars five thousand dollars a month is what he was five thousand dollars a month okay still

not great but yeah you could buy like uh two of the supplements on blueprint for that you can buy a bottle of olive oil you can buy speed of aging and supplement stack you can buy his t-shirt in impact fund he framed her suing him as well if you're rich people are gonna come after you and for greed and they just want money blah blah blah the reason i don't think he's a reliable narrator is everything we've said thus far plus the way he talks about online haters yep so the way he talks about online haters because uh it's similar framing where he's like the the me against them thing he was yeah in general and the way he kind of talks about women in the abstract is a little i wrote he's on dating apps exclamation point question mark question mark question mark yeah

he talks about how uh he's i make a list where i'm like you're you're not going to want to be with me actually i'm but i haven't been able to get her to go away i don't know if you can handle i don't know if you can handle this in minutes i inject myself with 9 000 things a day i don't want to uh bring too too too much attention to this but um the eating disorder point yeah there's a point where so he's got all this health food right and he eats 2 000 calories a day whatever um there's a point where he someone like one of the like fitness influencers that he's working with asked him you ever get hungry there's like all this uh intuitive stuff about like listening to your body and blah blah blah uh which is funny funnily counter to what he's doing here yeah where he says um the worst moment of my day is the last bite. Yeah.

Because I'm hungry all the time. And I'm like, well, then eat, brother. You look good enough. No, I'm listening to the computer that's listening to my body. So are you listening to your body or not? Because that feels like it's in conflict. He's not an algorithm telling him what to do. So that's not a body is the AI. Yet.

Again, the reason that I am inclined to believe that things are not the way that brian frames them as is because when they show us examples of haters of his it's just good faith criticism and a little bit of light ribbing and he's deluded himself into thinking that like these people hate his guts uh but also he doesn't either he's being he's believing the lie or he genuinely doesn't understand which i could buy uh why people are making fun of him because when they're doing the plasma exchange i can't even remember why he says this he goes all right haters what do you say about this oh it's because his plasma is a good color it's a good color it's a good color but i'm like but he thought it was a bad color.

And I wrote in parentheses while getting his child's plasma. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, they're going to. What do you mean? Haters, what do you say about this? They pointed it and they go, this is why I hate. And it's so funny because he's like, he's so deluded himself into thinking he's making the world a better place when he is only serving himself which is fine which is fine go ahead try to frame it that you're helping the world because he's like at one point he's like

it's hard the world is hard we're putting all of this these chemicals in our body and blah blah blah and we work too much and yada yada and that's why i'm doing this and it's like i don't have to work for you yeah not for anyone else he gives it like a soft acknowledgement really early on and then the entire rest of the documentary he's like i'm not saying that everyone can do this i know not everyone can necessarily afford to do this but i'm doing the best thing i can and mabel do for me and then the entire rest of the documentary is about how he's objectively better and people should do the same. People work too much, so they should stop doing that.

Yeah, don't die. That's actually an order. Don't die. Stop it. Adding to the point that what he's doing is not safe is that he goes and gets experimental gene therapy in some special part of Honduras that has't like, that has the right legislation. I think it's like an island. Yeah, it's like an Ayn Rand island. Yeah, it's like they're looking the other way.

And so they do this special gene therapy on him. And apparently after the doc, his muscle mass increased by 7%. Yeah, but we don't know the cause of that. No, but also- They're just assuming it's the gene therapy. Also like i'm like no i mean it and oh it's another it's okay but if you want to get a hair transplant if you want to get any kind of i think in general like especially guys like this like very averse to saying it's gender affirming yes it is like

don't be silly like he's getting jacked because that makes him feel more secure in his presentation it's what he wants to look like and that feels nice but again no it's optimization it's morally right it's ambitious it's disruptive nothing can be like like dwayne johnson does steroids and eats weird and works out all the time so that he looks jacked and is in movies. It doesn't also have to be that he's doing some kind of... He dyes his hair, right? Yes. Because he's like ginger when he's a kid.

Yeah, in the flashbacks, he's got red hair. That's really weird. And then also, I realize that's probably why he doesn't have facial hair anymore because it's not going to grow in the color of his... No, but also he gets germ abrasion. Does that make it so you can't grow i don't know i don't really actually get to it they just kind of briefly show it they didn't explain what it was i could kind of see him getting laser hair removal he he looks like he's had all the hair removed like he looks so smooth it's like his whole torso is hairless. Yeah. Yeah. Like the thing is, it's like when people change their appearance through whatever means they want. Not my business.

Not my business. It's like it's the whole package and selling it as like a health thing. And is this like I'm actually extending my life. I'm aging half as much as you. And this is all a part of it. And you can be a part of my cult. And it's benefiting everybody. Also, here's my son's erection date in case you wanted that i get my invis line and i go like

well i know i fixed my teeth because you want to be it's weird because i think it's like him going like i feel like there's a jealousy now this is me getting in my uh psychotherapist uh uh chair which i am not qualified so i'm just gonna to say some random stuff it feels like there's jealousy like in that oh you can do that and after doing all these other exercises and then i wish i had your legs shows the erection data he shows his side by side so you can see that they have the same age of erection or whatever it's like almost like look at me i'm also a young boy don't even worry about it that That's what it feels like. Yeah.

This is too bad. Ultimately, I feel like he just wants to be revered. He wants to be followed. And he wants people to be impressed by him. Which, hey, that's because those things feel nice. And it's like, again, if this were, if he wasn't like a biz development guy, if that wasn't his thing and instead he his thing was yoga that would be the aesthetic he was using instead this is just a different kind of branding to any

other kind of presentation if instead he was a political guy this would be operating the same or a dancer like any kind of influencer like public figure it's the same exact thing it's and and he's not selling it that way or maybe he's also deluded enough himself that he doesn't think it's that way what i've seen of my friends who left the mormon church um sometimes you need to find another religion. You need to fill that hole with something else. And this is like just from this documentary, that's what it seems like he's doing. Creating a new religion.

It kind of does feel like, because it's so dogmatic. And it's like rhythmic as well. It's like, I do this every Sunday. I go to church and mass is this long. And then I go home and argue with my wife. Being Mormon infiltrates every aspect of your life. You go to church every single day. Your family is built on the church.

Your friends are in the church. It is every aspect. Often your job training is related to the church and you work with mormons quite possibly yeah i had my annoying redditor atheist era i definitely did engage with that and then i kind of rubber banded back to kind of broad agnosticism and openness and now i say i'm pretty comfortably just a regular well well-adjusted, not posting about it atheist. And I, that is not why I have issues with certain aspects of organized religion. I have Christian friends, I have Muslim friends. It is like, Hey, I got black friends. I can say it. Not quite like that.

Just like that is not the deciding factor. I think what is dangerous for anyone in any circumstance is a dependency on a community that will not accept you under very specific circumstances and i think in the age of loneliness is an overrated overused term but it's not because it's not literally wow the more people you have around you the better you'll feel it's the any number of people that see you authentically and love you on at least like some kind of unconditional level or appreciate the things about you that you might not always appreciate about yourself and make you feel valuable inherently which everyone should is instead replaced with something super duper duper conditional and now it's if i go to church i get this hierarchy of needs thing i need okay i need food need water i need shelter and i

need connection we are social beings and the problem is like it's really scary to exist in a world where we don't have control over any of these things and it would be so nice to pretend that there is something that solves that problem your son did not reconnect with you because you were being a health nut he reconnected with you because he felt bad like you were in the community you left because and then felt better yeah and now he's joined you and you're making him do weird reverse crunches and saying that you'd love his legs yeah that domino didn't need to fall that is not how if anything it's maybe gonna get in the way of the relationship in five years when yeah you know uh when he's hung out with people socially i know that's the thing where i'm like don't you want to come back for

thanksgiving we can hold hands while we eat i I'm like, stop posting about my erections, Dad. Come on, man. I'm trying to get a girlfriend. And at night, he's got a girlfriend, and he's like, sorry, I'm just going to put on this thing before I go to bed. Oh, my God. I have to equip this ring. That hurt me, thinking about that.

Yeah, the last bit is when he... It's grift, but the thin veneer is his son says something about like your whole emotionless thing where brian never says that in the documentary but you can tell that that's kind of how he presents um like like he has a philosophy yeah against emotions yeah that's the opposite you can he's crying in the ikea cries into his target his poor son is holding up so he's got his own trauma and yet he's allowing hugging his dad while his dad cries in a target i remember seeing that but specifically and going like okay i'm i'm having this initial reaction that is the result of, like, bad gender performance on my part. I'm like, bro, stop being a big baby crying.

And, you know, my mom cried when she was going off to college or she was, like, anxious. That's, like, completely fine. But that's the thing. It was such a normal thing. It's normal. And he was fighting it every step of the way. He was fighting it. That was the thing, yeah.

And then he finally couldn't fight it anymore. And that's good it's good that he like kind of let his but the thing is if you're like the emotionless guy and now you're like i can't fight these emotions it's like well newsflash man maybe maybe you're not actually transcending by fighting those emotions you're bottling them up maybe that's just a fancy way of bottling them up you know what dog that might kill you like that like suppressing this stuff and not acknowledging it of all the things to i mean i don't know if there is a ton of science behind it but there is kind of the classic adage of you stuff something down stuff something down and

you get a tumor like it like it itself is making you unhealthy He would have to take like 10 less pills if he let the sun touch him. Oh. But I mean, I get it. I get why you avoid it. But it's like there are clips of other people being like, yeah, I would just rather die early death. And I'm like, yeah, dude. That's the thing is also, first of all, don't tell me not to die.

You're not my dad. And then second of all. He's the only one who tells me not to die. I want to die someday. Yeah. I want to die someday. Yeah. I want to die someday. It's a part of it. Is that crazy?

Today that's taken care of. There's this weird philosophy. Jordan will kill me someday. Challenge accepted. If you find a sword in me, just know Jordan did it. I would not bloody my ancestors' blade with your. You get like an x-ray. Polly colored plasma.

You get an x-ray and there's like a little sword. And they're like, why? How did a samurai sword get in there? Wait, Jordan dinner the other night you put it in your cheek put it in your tempeh it's not even mini it's full scale a broad sword going through your sandals um okay but yeah uh feeling your feelings is okay is i guess guess, the thing. Not okay. It's necessary and vital, and it's so good. But it's what you then do, I guess, with that. What you then do with those feelings. So you're holding no emotions there.

We did it, everyone. Another episode of podcast in the books. Another episode of podcast? Another episode of podcast. Yeah, actually, James. Maybe Deep Seek should run the show. Yeah, can we actually check in? Write me an outro for a godzilla focused podcast so we are gonna uh do our little grift which is

to say that you can listen to an additional podcast sad boys nights over on our patreon at patreon.com slash sad boys there's also an important tom mcdonald update oh that i totally forgot to include so we'll just talk about it on nights. But I know nothing. Jordan doesn't know anything. With all that said, we'll see you over there or we won't. Maybe we die. Don't die.

Yeah. What'd I say? We end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase. Don't die. And we're sorry. Don't die. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

That's after I killed you. We love you. We're sorry. Yes. In our sorry i'm sorry that's after i killed you uh we love you we're sorry yes in our break i checked a dating app and someone had like matched with me that i thought was very pretty and uh thank you i sent like one too many messages i know guys that have like they the whole back and forth and the whole process is figuring out what about yourself to mask and pretend to successfully go on this date. But they are in pursuit of long-term relationships. So it's kind of like, well, what if I go there and she like, change my voice? Right.

For 50 years? Yeah. No. The thing that is so like, in fact, when you mentioned your message, it's like, I just checked, still no response. She hates me.

And that was my wife. Go to rich for me