Sad Boyz - Is AI ASMR Satisfying? (w/ Brian David Gilbert)

Episode Date: August 9, 2025

Brian David Gilbert joins Jarvis to watch AI Minecraft ASMR and discuss artistic fulfillment. Sad Boyz Nightz 124 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Over 100 Bonus Episodes: Sad Boyz Nightz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ✨⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Find Us Everywhere⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠✨ 00:00:00 Brian David Gilbert! 00:00:44 Jordan Sound Board 00:10:00 Um, Actually! 00:22:56 Can Creators Have Variety? 00:31:43 Opening Sylveon Gem Pack 2 00:36:52 Nostalgic Media 00:49:02 Can AI Make ASMR 00:59:00 Generative AI Is Lame 01:17:37 Utility vs. Joy 01:28:46 Sad Boyz Nightz CREW: Hosted by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jarvis Johnson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and Brian David Gilbert (filling in for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jordan Adika⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Produced & Edited by Jacob Skoda Produced by Anastasia Vigo Thumbnail design by @yungmcskrt Outro music by @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. And I'm the British one, Brian David Gilbert. That's true. And you are doing this whole podcast in an American accent. Yeah, this is... You're like Hugh Laurie. The thing is, there's a lot of British accents.

There's a lot of idiosyncratic ones. There are. And this one, surprisingly, my normal speaking voice is just how they speak in West Lester. I've seen a million universes. And you're from the one where British people in your side of the world's... talk exactly like me. Talk exactly like regular Brian David Gilbert. So that's just a fun little thing.

Welcome to Sad Boys. Oh yeah, I was actually going to kind of lead us out of that. Okay. How are you? Oh, well. Oh, yeah. I love this guidance from Anastasia. We should keep this in, which is just Anastasia being like,

this is how conversation goes. How do you ask how he is? Okay, Jarvis asked Brian, and now Brian, you ask Jonathan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what you don't see. I'm scared. Every sad boys takes 15 hours to film, and it's just as a stage of giving the line reads back in the place. So I actually have a little, like, I've taken little clips of Jordan from previous episodes.

Yes. And I want to see how well you can fit into Jordan's shoes. Okay. Because he does have, I don't know, I don't know how, if you know this, but he does have. have quite large shoes. True. And so you're stepping into those. Flat feet too.

Very flat big feet. Yeah, I will definitely not have the correct shoe size for this man. But I'm willing to try. So let me pull this up here. I didn't know this was happening. This is a fun little. I like this. No, this is great.

I love being surprised. That's my favorite thing. Okay. Here's the first one. That's so true. he never said that that that's so true that's so true that's so true okay so i've met jordan a handful of times uh mostly on this podcast is what i would say but a lovely guy uh i feel like he's attached to the couch cushions i get an understand i feel like i i have an understanding of his patter i can't do

his accent but i do understand the way like the way he semantically speaks i can't do it as well as he does because he's the original. Right. But he definitely, if I was going to do a Jordan, and I'm, okay, here's what I think that I've, all right.

This is actually really good. I thought, I think it's a lot of adjusting yourself. It is a lot of adjusting. He gets it. Okay. That's so true. That is so true.

That's so true. That's so true. And, but he has some different, what are the others? Oh, yeah. You can,

honestly, You've got to put a knee pretty much in your chin. Yeah. I can get, there's a lot of this going on too. Oh, a lot of that. Which I have to, I'll just, I'll keep, I'll keep adjusting. I honestly, like, kind of scared at how well you're doing this is, even though I've, again, it's, is all my plan was to fully just absorb his essence. So that way, you wouldn't even recognize.

Yeah, that's true. When he's gone. Okay, should we do, we'll do one more. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, here's the next one. What did you just say to me? what did you just say to me that was really good i'm getting chills yeah and i don't know

what i just said to it that's so true it's really is that true i had no idea like hearing these clips in isolation the that's so true extremely posh sounding oh these are this is like jordan's never said these things like his normal pattern or speech and then uh what did you say to me reminds me of like the sheriff of Nottingham from the the Fox No no no Why am I playing on it? Snape?

What's the actor's name? Oh, are you talking about Alan? Alan Rickman. Yeah, Alan Rickman plays the Sheriff of Nottingham and old Robin Hood. Yes, yes, yes. And I'm like, wow, Jordan's so British. I never realized.

That's a, well, we've talked about this before. Did I do that? classic journalism classic and he made that up yeah um i once at a party i've told this on the show before but i'm telling brian yeah once at a party someone like pulled me aside and was like so is it true that his accents a bit that's beautiful and i and i was like i was like what and they were like i thought he was from texas and i'm like who you were the most gullible person in the world that's that's really good he's from texas i'm sure take anything he says it He's a liar.

You have to lie about it. Dude. Like said I was from Texas. Oh, sorry. Wait, sorry. One second. That's for real. He is always saying he's from Texas.

He is always saying that. Good to know. That's so true. There we go. This is a great, this is a fantastic soundboard. And people, what do you need chat GPT for? This is all we need Jordan Soundboard. Jordan Soundboard is fine.

I saw you downloading like, meme epic meme soundboard dot zip or whatever when we were starting the show i was like what's jacob cooking over there is sparta it's not a thing he says this is this ai this is yeah we trained it's 100% i ai uh this next thing i he would never agree to like let me make him say this well uh but i thought this was fun jacob you're better than me and better than javas cries cries cries cries cries cries there's enough i'm assuming enough of audio of this man speaking in the world that anyone could train a thing that's a scary thing it is a scary thing one time there was a phd student who was working on their thesis and like speech some sort of speech

analysis something it was like seemed like something really cool and interesting and not like training AI but more like coding it was something about speech development yeah and they asked if they could you if if they could have raw recordings of the podcast and so I sent them like a couple years of like just yeah audio because I was like I'll contribute to science and helping and then they got their PhD and they sent us an email I was like yeah that's our PhD now that's there's a whole like dissertation about you guys that's wild I know we're going to be talking about AI stuff today but also just talking about stealing someone's whole persona as AI. I got a very scary email a couple weeks ago.

It was actually while I was at the, when I was doing the hosting gig for Pokemon for the Gauta Catch a Mall game show. Yeah. I got an email while I was in rehearsal, and it was just through my website, which most people don't ever really email me through. It's mostly for business stuff, but then I got an email that was like, hey, Brian,

someone is using footage of you. I'm not sure if it's AI. or what to sell this app. And I was like, oh, shoot. Like, am I finally getting, like, the weird AI fake version of me that is happening? And so, like, they were like, if you send me an email back, I'm, like, happy to send screenshots and whatever. And so I was like, yes, please, like, I'd love to know this.

I have no connection with this company. I mean, I would like to see it. And then they sent over two pictures of a white man with a beard and long hair. Oh, my God. That is not me. But I do want to say thank you to that person who. reached out to me if I ever am used as an AI ad, I would like to know that. But I did find it very funny when I received it.

I was like, oh, no, that's just another vaguely similar white man. Disclose if you have faceblindness. It's like kind of weird. I'm going to head out because it's getting a little late on my time. I'm going to leave the call in a sec. But thank you guys for checking in. Yeah, I like that I think you should leave shit, by the way. That's cool.

Oh, hey. Wait. Hey, is this man here right now? Is this actually? He's here. He's been here the whole time. He's been here the whole time doing clips for real. I've been, did he see how good my impression was of him?

He did. We'll have to ask. He did actually just leave. I knew, I knew during the Texas. I was like, I know what's happening. He's actually here.

Wow, that was great. You got me for real. I should know better than I should come into here as if it's an escape room. And I'm just looking for clues at all times. I know I should be doing that. Yeah, we've got to tell you what things are interactable.

So you don't just start turning my coffee table. I tried to flip your whole magic box over, and you were like, no, no, that one's not supposed to move. I have to clean that a lot. I should have known when some of the stuff he said I couldn't understand. We have a thing, we have a thing where we have someone who captions are captions our podcast episodes. And every now and again, we're at a Discord chat with Anastasia, myself, and them. And they will sometimes say, hey, at this timestamp, do you know what Jordan's saying? and we go, no.

Sometimes I'll send it to Jordan and I'll be like, what are you saying here? And he's like, I don't know. Yeah, that is, I mean, I will say that is tough. It is a hard thing, especially with cross talk and everything. We get that a lot with, um, actually, too, where, like, there will be subtitles that don't say the correct name or something because it's like a weird niche fantasy name that, like, of course people aren't going to get.

But people are always like, wow, Brian specifically put that subtitle there. And it's wrong. And it's like, no, I have had nothing to do with things. Fact checker, don't you do everything related to facts? I didn't catch those because I wasn't seeing the final cuts, so my bad. Well, let's talk about Um actually. How is that, uh, how has that been for you? How are you enjoying being the most annoying role of fact checker?

Yeah, it's a funny thing to do, uh, especially when it's like people who, uh, come on because we are slowly getting, unlike, you know, fake celebrities like Jarvis Johnson or anything, we get like actual celebrities to come on the show. nowadays and they don't know who I am and so like I do have that moment where I'm like these people know iffy and they probably understand him and then there's like this other guy this other guy checker and I think they don't really know what to do with me for sometimes where it's just like oh are you being serious he really lives in that little corner he really does all this stuff and by the end they all know that we're all just kind of like goofing around right right it is

it's a very funny I it's a very funny process because like it's basically two months of the year that I'm working on it because we film it in a full batch. We film all 12 episodes and then in like a week and then we don't, I don't touch it forever until the next time I come on. It's really interesting just how it's done. But yeah, very tight ship. And everyone's always been super duper nice. That's a good crew there.

I'm always happy working with them and with everyone who comes on. It's such a blast. I think the thing that always hits me is that like when you're in the prep process where I'm like working with the writers and there are. all wonderful too and like I it is such a fun thing to do but it's also I'm realizing like it's it's the worst job for me because I will go on to the fandom page that I need to check a thing yeah and then I'll be like oh but let me look at this thing about this and then I'm like I've spent 25 minutes trying to edit one question and I'm now on like six Wikipedia's deep that's kind

of my favorite thing because you just learn so many fun ancillary facts it is it is very fun and I feel like it gives me a lot to talk about but also it means that when I'm editing 13 questions times 12, right? Like it piles up over a while and I'm like, oh my God, I should have finished these edits like two weeks ago. 156, by the way. Yeah, thank you very much.

It's a good, it's a good show. And you were on this most recent one, which we won't talk about. Yeah, we won't talk about. I do have a bit of like character building now I'm learning, which is in one of my earlier appearances, I talked about how often I forget to say I'm actually. Yeah.

And it hasn't improved. No, it's been the same throughout every single time you show up. But my favorite part is that I know things and it's not a trivia show except for to me. Like, so it's like I'll know the answer and it doesn't, and in my heart of hearts, that's what counts. It is good. I do appreciate they did just post a clip of you just listing off the odds for shiny Pokemon, which I was like, this is really good because one, it wasn't the question. question we were asking during the actual episode. If you watched the episode, it was not specifically about that.

And two, like, there's nothing else in that clip. It's literally you just, like, listing off from memory. That's correct. And I go, yep. And that's it. But also people loved it because they're like, yeah, that's me for real. And that's why we, you know, that's the thing. It's like, we want to make that, right?

Rather than just, like, buzzing in. Because then it's like jeopardy or whatever. Yes. And those people are way more impressive. I think the one thing that I have found is that a lot of people want to play the game at home which I fully understand and so like we've tried to in this most recent season

make sure that like you know the shiny questions can be playable at home like for the most part except for a few real ridiculous ones that I got to slip in but it is also very difficult because a lot of people are like why don't you just have the most knowledgeable people about these things come on the show

and it's like number one that's very, very difficult. Casting is, I think, the hardest part of the show because it's like you need to get in people who can chat and know each other so they're comfortable and also know the things we're talking about. And like, that is a very hard. And you want to avoid, like, if I know a lot about Pokemon,

it's not fair if everyone else doesn't have that same. Now, so you don't want to put a bunch of questions where like they're going to be someone's like domain. Yes, it is a very, that's, I think, the other thing about being the fact checker. and head writer is that it is such a puzzle to figure out like I'm not just thinking is this an interesting trivia question because you can make anything an interesting trivia question if it's just kind of a weird thing yeah um this is more like can the question itself be either

something that somebody knows and wants to talk about something that they can make jokes about or something that is just a goofy enough conversation starter right where like there it is you're trying you're on three different levels where I'm like I want to make sure the audience likes this question. And I also want to make sure that the couch likes this question. And then there's stuff to chew on even if it's,

they don't know anything about it. Because if it's, a lot of times you see the background of the question and maybe you don't know, you maybe know the general topic, but you don't know 80% of the background information. Well, you have,

but you have something to chew on if you wanted to riff. Yes, exactly. And I'd say, again, I'm very, I'm very happy. I feel like,

so we've just finished filming the third season that Ify and I have done together. I feel like we finally like really settled into it now like first one working out the kinks second one trying some new things now I feel like we're we're settled in to the point that like the ways that I can tell if an episode is going well is one if it is like a pretty even split among the whole couch because I'm like cool I made sure that there were questions for everybody here or at the very least somebody surprised me that I didn't expect them to know yeah yeah and then also I forgot to say I'm actually and gave other someone else the answer that also is a very big thing but like it's I only am half joke when I'm like the best question or the best episodes the ones that I talk the least in is like if I can if I can just speak through the writing and working with the writers and making sure that I'm editing questions for that couch sure then they will take care of everything for me I don't have to chime in with weird things I don't have to do that and then but the problem is I do like talking about it so I do always want to chime in no but because I think that it's nice almost to get the the nature of trivia is this like that Ansela trivia is also interesting. So being able to say something about the way in which someone is incorrect or other crazy things you found

in researching the question. I think that, at least for me, maybe I just like love that stuff. I would be on Wikipedia with you, you know, or on the fandom wikis. Like that's so, it like enriches the experience, I think. I think that the audience likes it too. And like that definitely there are episodes

like I'm thinking about well okay no I can't I was like I was like I can't talk all of the ones that are freshest in my mind I just filmed that won't come out for another six months so I won't say anything it's also a show that the audience like trivia shows the audience wants to be able to play along

so for anyone to say get people that know everything about this one topic like well then I would be writing just for them and the audience would have no fun getting to play along I one of the things that we have done that I personally really wanted to do with something called the baby bracket which is where we bring on people

who are not really into nerd culture but are very... Are you smarter than a fifth grader style? Yes. But it's also like these are very funny, great people and this most recent baby bracket that I'm thinking of is so funny. It is like unbelievable funny.

It's like who is this character and it's like Sonic and then people are like... Yeah, but like even outside of that there's like certain questions that I thought I was like, oh, it's weird that I didn't realize you guys were like comedy nerds so you all knew this question

and we're like all trying to buzz in again, no spoilers for next season. but like it is still like one of these things where you just are surprised and it's it's a delightful thing for me to be on the set and be like wow you all were really good and for this specific question that was not what i was expecting uh there's a lot going on at magic con so i i'm sure this probably didn't come up did karen tell you that i was like playing along during your magic con one no i was sitting next to karen and i kept being like it's ursus saga and then i'd like pop off there's a few points where i like stood up because i knew the answer i was like let's go I was like really stoked that's so good I'm so glad it was yeah no it was a great time for me yeah um so you are okay so you have a new Pokemon trivia show yeah it is weird now that I'm like oh I have become this niche where I'm the trivia host thing but the best part is you don't have to know everything yes you get to you get to pick you're a curator of trivia yes for for um actually absolutely since I'm like the headwriter of it and I get to like make sure it's all working for the for the Pokemon got to catch a mall game show they have, like, people who I believe work for Sereby, is that right? Joe. Oh, Joe, Joe, Joe Merrick. Yeah, yeah, I believe he is one of the writers.

I'm a Pokemon head. Yes, as you should know. The creator of Serabi, not dead. Yeah, so, like, have some really, really great, like, trivia people who really know. And also, it's a little different because it is, like, that show is a game within a game and that, like, you are trying to catch Pokemon and then use their abilities against your opponents and to, like, get you, it's like, there's a weird strategy to it, which is kind of fun. Which elevates, I think, the trivia part of it

because it's all just multiple choice, mostly. Right. Just like Pokemon. Multiple choice. What's your tact do I use? Absolutely. You run out of pee pee at some point. Just like when I go to the bathroom.

So I, maybe that. Well, hey, who cares? It sounds very G-rated. That's good. Just cut that in like 15 minutes later into the podcast as the joke to it because since I'm an official Pokemon host, I can't be associated with that kind of humor. Right, you can't be associated with that potty humor.

Yeah, make sure that we put that in distant space It's in relation to something else. Put a punch, yeah. I think it can work as a punchline for any of the later jokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like when I go to the bathroom. Yeah.

How are you feeling being a trivia guy, a trivia host? It's funny to be doing. It's also funny because like the, I, it's like slightly less pressure for me on, um, actually. Although the pressure is on like every time. If a, if there is something wrong with a question or something wrong with anything, that is my fault.

100%. I do fully take credit for that. for it is a weirder thing doing the live trivia for Pokemon because it is like a live show where we're dealing with tech stuff and I have like a person I have all of the contestants and a producer in my ear and like that is a much different experience from I'm actually where it's filmed and then edited so there's a little more space you can oh for sure so like you've got a block of marble you can carve in the edit yes exactly but the live show it's like everything's there it's there you've seen it all which is fun in another way different skill set

different exactly and so like that one i i'm grateful that i am just purely like the host of that trivia where i'm just reading it off and i'm giving you the answers and we're goofing around between questions but i'm still like trying to keep us on rails so we can finish the game um and so but i do enjoy doing trivia i think that's one of those things that i never really thought of as being my space but i'm happy that i've fallen into it it's a fun place to be i think you more than any of my friends have such a like I think of you as like a jack and master of all trades where you're kind of all over the place I feel like if I'm seeing you doing music you it's something cool or interesting if I'm seeing you doing like voice acting or or you know your own like video stuff

I think that like I really admire your creative journey and just like the projects that you end up working on because I never know what you're going to do next. Thank you. I appreciate it. It is a weird thing. Definitely much to the chagrin of any person who's ever tried to get me to be better at YouTube. And going like, no, you have to be consistent. No, you have to do the thing.

He was like, here. Okay, so we're going to do this next. And it's like, I'm going to go do this other thing over there. And music, too. You're in a band. Yes, kind of in a weird way. We're like blib. That's with Louis Zong and Ian Worthington, who are both incredible animators and musicians in their own right.

I say that as if I'm an animator. I'm not an animator. but they are incredible people but like it is a weird that was just like you're a person but you are not a person i'm not a people but those incredible people speaking of pee i recently went to the bathroom and i i think in a lot of ways i am a ludite in general in that like especially gets like AI stuff and like also there's a part of me that feels that weird urge whenever i'm like making youtube stuff that i'm like no, I kind of want this to be not good. Like I don't want it

to be polished and perfect and like I'm doing all the correct things and I'm saying like subscribe and all that. Like I don't it doesn't come naturally to me and also I think I am just like contrarian in some ways. There's many ways in which like you can choose as a

creator to like betray the best practices as both a just to be more true to yourself or more true to like the message of whatever your creating. But yeah, that's part of the creative process, right? Like you're making choices throughout the creative process.

And I love the fact that sometimes to another person, those choices may not make sense necessarily, but to you, they do. And you're the creator. You can do whatever you want. Yeah, I do like that. I like the, I like being able to do that. Like I wanted to ask you, Jarvis, in terms of like, because you are so good at commentary in general.

but you're also very talented just outside of that so i was like do you ever feel boxed in to being like i have to talk about x thing is this a good question i would say that it depends on what the output what what the where it's going yeah so do i feel i think i in some ways do feel boxed in on like my personal youtube channels simply because i know the arena that i need to operate in to succeed, and I'm not always feeling called to that. Yeah. But in other ways, when I first started on YouTube, I was like pigeonholed into making like tech adjacent videos and I really, I almost immediately didn't want to be doing that,

but then still kind of had to figure out a way to pivot myself out of it. So I'm very grateful to the flexibility that I have now. And a lot of the things that I want to do can fit inside of the show. shell of or the packaging of let's say commentary um but i i still think that i try to give myself the grace because you know a few years ago i had none of this creative opportunity in my path and while it's something that i like wanted for myself i'm still i still feel like a baby in my creative journey and want to kind of allow myself to continue to explore and experiment and figure out what's next.

Because, you know, things that I, you know, used to love performing improv, like we used to, Anastasia and I were on an improv team together, and I like to sing. And so every now and again, I'll like find an opportunity to do that. But I don't want to do music, I don't think, you know, because it's a different, I don't think I have like artistry when it comes to music I just like it yeah you know what I mean I think Jarvis is very good at you know doing what he has to do on on YouTube and also using that in order to do fun stuff that's not necessarily career focus yeah yeah like he did a musical improvised high school musical that was awesome that's right that was really cool

and that is so up your alley yeah and so fun you're not making money off of it and it went so long or even going to Pokemon worlds and yeah yeah yeah which we'll we'll both be at yeah i'm stoked my favorite thing is just using my platform to befriend people that i like yeah it's like it's like I get more, you know, given my position, I sometimes get a second look, and I leverage that to be like, we have shared interests, let's be friends, or I'm a big fan of your work. Like, the way that I've met a lot of people in the Pokemon community is simply from being a fan of them. Yeah. Yeah. And in also being able to engage in the hobbies and things that they share. So it's like, I love watching, like, I don't play VGC. competitive Pokemon battling um but back in the day i used to like play singles which you know

it's a different time is back in gen four but uh and i used to be like super competitive on like smogon and uh you know serabi's been around for as long as i can remember at least since i was in high school and all of that stuff i can funnel it somewhere and and and i get to like chit chat with people about like if I run into a fan at Pokemon World it's different than if I run into a fan anywhere else yeah I like met um a TCG competitor Cyrus Davis at Worlds last year and they were a fan of my stuff and I'm like yo what's the meta look like right now now in the TCG what are you playing like like that's so because I'm engaged in like all of those things and that's fun for me to just like have that opportunity it is a nice thing I was going to say just to slowly pull

our tangent over into TCGs and things, which we know we're going to get to anyway. But, but like I was talking to Karen about this, my fiance, where we had like gone to some Magic the Gathering stuff where like there were not like, I don't want to say celebrities, but they were just like actors and people who like happen to also love magic. And she was like, it's a great equalizer because there's no cooler place to play magic than a local game store or like at your local draft or you're going to a pre-refer. release. There is no other spot to do this. So we all have to come to the same place if that's the hobby we enjoy. And the same thing was like at MagicCon, like, I have now, I love it enough that

I can just like chat enough about whatever commanders people are playing and stuff. And like, I ran into somebody at this most recent MagicCon who is wearing a shirt from this podcast that I like called Friends of the Table. And I was like, hey, I love your shirt. I know the artist of it, blah, blah, blah. And we like chatted just about that for a bit and about magic. And then at the end they're like also i like your work and i was like i'm so glad that we had this conversation about your shirt first right exactly and then we could like to actually chat as normal people and it makes it so much nice and that's just like that's just how nice it is when you share a hobby or interest with someone how it can like break down those yeah barriers um that's why i think i could be friends

with post malone yeah yeah because post malone for those who don't know once shouted me out on the Joe Rogan podcast. This is a real thing that happened. I did not know this. I made a video a couple years ago called Like Spend a Week in the Metaverse. And he quite literally showed it to Joe Rogan. That's wild. I mean, remembered my name.

He goes, this guy, Jarvis Johnson. And I was like, what is happening right now? And then I'm like meeting all our magic friends and a lot of our magic friends know Postman because he's a huge magic head. And I'm like, Posty, I'm also into magic. This is our chance. This is the gateway. This is our treatment.

Yeah, if you're watching Post Malone, hit us up. We want to get you on the couch. Absolutely. He'd be a good sad boy. And that's the thing. We have to go through like publicists and things. Oh, yeah. And so I feel like if all I need is like one time I was talking to a mutual friend.

And they were like, you and Post would get along so well. And I'm like, tell him that. Yeah. You don't have to tell me. I've already been fantasizing about it. I've already been fantasizing about it. I've already been fantasizing about our friendship. In my dreams, we have a great thing.

Yeah, and he shows me a samurai swords that I've heard that he has. God, I do want to see those swords. Yeah, have you heard about him? I've heard about him at least. Isn't that crazy that we've heard about Postman's samurai swords? He just has on his kitchen table. That being said, maybe I heard about it or maybe I am just, you said that. And then in my head, I had a perfect image of Postmore and carrying a bunch of samurai swords.

So just imagine you're as unbelievably successful as Postman for a second. I know it's difficult. But then I heard like, oh, yeah, we were at Post's house. and like he had like a sword on his kitchen table and then I was looking at it and he was like yeah it's like a 500 year old samurai sword and I'm like he does that to the point where I have like have this like side quest ball on my like yes you know magic card on my table except for odd no that's a 500 year old samurai sword that's great I love finding out the big celebrities are fans of something you would never expect yes I was in robotics in high school and we were at the world championships and will I am was there and we were like what's will i am doing here and they were like he's a big first robotics fan and he gave a speech and we were all like hey will i am that's so beautiful and he was like robotics yes i do imagine like um will i am talking in this like auto turn robotic voice where he's like now now rocking with first robotics and me will you should do the theme for it that seems right

Actually, real quick, friend of the show, did you have something? No, I was just going to say. So, friend of the show, Star Sleeps, who sent me a photo of their, they were like, hey, are you still looking for Final Fantasy collector boosters? They have this at Target. And it was like a singular collector booster. And so they bought it at MSRP and sold it to me. And I was like, are you sure?

And they were like, yeah. So shout out to Florida. And also shout out to them. They did not tell me they were sending these Sylvian Gym pack to little Pokemon Chinese packs. These are Chinese, right? Yeah, they are. And I figure we could open them. I don't even know what's in here.

They're all Evilutions. And they have different, I've opened so many of these boxes. I love it. They're so fun open because every card is like just pretty in China. No matter what you get, it's just fun opening. Well, there's how many of us here? There's five of us here and there's six of these. So, or there's five of these because I can count.

So there's one for each of us. I'll pass it around. There we go. Enjoy it. This is great. This is wonderful. Also, things that I've learned being a host for Pokemon. It's an EV evolution.

Evilution is just a fan term. It is. And so you, I have to say that there are EV evolutions. You have to uphold the standards. Similar to first partner Pokemon, which is the term for what most people will call starters, but that is a fan term. as well. And I know that because it's on some of the products.

And what I will bring to the table is if you ever have a long pack, usually in Asian markets, often Japanese and Chinese, the way that they open packs are different than we do. There's actually a pull tab on the corner here and you just rip it. I thought you were going to do something like when people are like, this is how you should open a banana and it's the stupidest choice ever. I don't like doing that because whenever I pull the tab down, I feel like I'm... I'm afraid it's going to damage the cards, but I don't think it will.

Um... I'm ready to reveal. Here I've got umbriand. And then I've got umbriand with a starfoil, which I don't know the official name of that, but this is what we colloquially call a starfoil. Yes, I got a starfoil, but for... And then we've got a reverse Pocobal Leafion, and finally a Masterball, reverse Silvian. Not sponsored, by the way. No, there's, I got a Leafion, a Glacian, a Joltyon, and an Espion, which is great.

I want to say Sylvian, here's my own personal etymology issue. This is not Silvian. This is Leafion. But Silvian is the fairy type, and Sylvan means like greenery forests and things like that. So in my brain, I think Silvian has to be the green one, but it's not. It's just my favorite type. And when I hear leaves, I think of, so like on trees and other flora, you have these, like, leaves. And so it makes me think of green things.

So when I see Leafion, I go, great name. No, I say Leafion, I think, oh, leaf me alone. Yeah. I have to go to the bathroom because my keep is all. There we go. There we go. More like I've been at this party for a while. I got a Levian home.

That's great. I got a star foil Vaporian Oh that's actually different That's pretty That's really that's rotary There's so many different foil There's a lot of different foil types

You want me to hold that up to the We got oh this one just like Psychic symbol that's fun Expion Opochibon Oh the little rotary foil Silvian And Something I really like about this set

Is that they did bring the fairy type energy Back for some of the Silvian cards Oh that's fun I love the fairy. Silvian is very popular. Yes. Sylvian, I think, is pretty popular. Is this Sylvia?

So I'm pretty sure my sister, what was the, my sister did cosplay? No, no, but she did, I'm pretty sure Sylvian, but as like a Gothic Lolita dress. Oh, I think she did, yeah. I do love Sylvian, even though I don't want to think too hard about the what the feather or the ribbons are.

Oh yeah, it's just skin. Because they are attached. I try to think of it like Bulbosaur's vines or something. I'm like, that's just, that's fine. That's fine. Yeah, I could see that. That might make things a little better.

They are, they are just very long skin tags. Jacob, what did you get? Yes, beautiful. Sylvia. This one Sylvion. Yeah, Sylvian. And then.

Glacion. Is that the first Glacian? Did someone else get glacial. Oh, you did. Okay. Glecyon has bangs? That's four. Oh, those are answers.

Those are three Vaporians. There's my. Oh, there's a different one. Whoa, that's a nice leaf on. That's pretty. Whoa! Ombion V. Got a V.

That's great. I was mentioning earlier that music critic, Craig Jenkins, field surprise finalist, by the way, is a fan of the show. And they, I replied to their recent article about the Justin B. Raoul, and they said cheers by the way

Sabboys is giving me a mild case of trying to figure out the pop mart stores deal so nice we did a Labibu episode and we did and honestly that's all I have too is just a mild case of figuring out the deal Brian do you have you ever

I got addicted to blind boxes yes have you been that was a big thing I would say that like Karen and I are obsessed with the weird blind boxes Like she slowly got a lobooboo. I will say there's one person who I was not super on the Labubu train just because I was like,

I don't like the design of the face very much. Labu boo-boo, that's like when I go to the bathroom. All right. He's really in a potty healer train. I had a laboo if you, a la boo-boo, if you know what I'm saying. A little L.A. boo-boo. That's what happens when Jarvis goes to the potty. An L.A. boo-boo that you finally found a way to ruin the crime.

Grace, it's going to tank after this. But I did see one of our friends, Rachel Weeks, who is also a magic, the gathering player. I think I showed people this, actually. She created, there's something called a quiver, which is where you keep all your decks for your magic and also a binder.

And she made props for her Labibu. So it's like got a little, like a quiver full of deck boxes and then a Labubu attached to it that has its own little quiver. And like the binder opens up and it has small little magic cards. in it that you can by the way secret layer Lubbubu would go crazy oh my god

that's gotta the thing is you can tempt them and then they'll get it out in 10 years so after when their current secret layer list is already over it's wild I tried to get the Sonic one but I didn't get it I should have

if I had gotten in line right when it opened yeah but I'm like I'll just wait yeah I don't know I'm trying to get any of the Spider-Man set that's got out yeah I think that it won't Well, I can't say for sure, but I think that it won't be as crazy as Final Fantasy. Yes.

Just because I don't, but I also don't know Marvel people's game like that. I have to, okay, I must tell you a story about a recent time I was playing magic with a new friend who I met on the day, who is also an influencer of some kind, but I won't mention them just because he and I were talking about magic. And he was like, oh, yeah, and like the fight, he was like, I'm really excited about Edge of Eternities. I am as well. I love that kind of space stuff. I love all of the design. It's great. I'm building a deck

that's about pondering orbs, and there are so many orbs and that's such a good idea. It's a great one, but he was talking to me about it and he's, I think, like, in his late 20s and he was like, yeah, it was funny because I wasn't really into the Final Fantasy set

because that wasn't really for our generation. And I was like, oh, but it was for my generation. I had a moment where I was like, it wasn't, but it made me realize at that moment. I was like, yeah, Final Fantasy was so integral to like the 30-year-old.

right now who like grew up with that and that was like the cutting edge thing and by the time like even people five or six years younger than me that was like in the weird era of final fantasy that like didn't quite grab people as much it wasn't as mainstream yeah and so having that moment where I was like whoa final fantasy is not for people six years younger than me like even that is enough for a big shift of like cultural thing that was wild to me is it like final fantasy seven came out in like 97 I think and I would have been five years old i did not play that game when it came out i played it like i played everything like super late january of 97 i do think that also back then things had a longer ramp up because you were

finding out from word of mouth more often you know true yeah because i remember like even even like this mighty morphin power rangers movie i want to say this movie came on theaters in like 94 So you probably didn't see it when it was 94.95. Yeah. And so I saw it on this VHS tape in front of my mom saved up to buy a big screen TV. I don't know if you remember screen. Like it is a big empty box with like three lights behind it. It was basically like a projector inside of a giant wooden box.

Yeah, it was like a piece of furniture. It was a piece of furniture. Yeah. And I sat crisscross applesauce in front of that TV and watched that movie and watch Ivan used go. burned into your redness. What's that smell? Teenagers.

Yes. That's an important line. It's a good line. Yeah, I do. So that person thought you were in your 20s. Yes. That's very sweet. Thanks for that.

I appreciate that. I am 31. But I did have that moment where I had a moment where they're like, yeah, I think that like, you know, they're making a lot of magic for like people in their 30s, not like us. And I was like, you're right. Definitely couldn't be me who's in. his 30s and really loves the final fantasy set definitely couldn't be me so avatar the last year bender is getting a set at the end of this year and i am stoked about it and i'm also curious what the age

because i feel like avatar also spans like a pretty were you an avatar kid i it was on when i was a kid but i didn't like the style of it that's when i was a child so i was like i it's like i was the age when it started like remember it pre-hype like i'm i'm both young enough and old enough for avatar and to be there for the first episode of sponge bob do you remember the hyper on the first episode of sponge bob i don't know if i remember the hype around it it was like i remember that there were just commercials like and they were talking about and i was like what is this i didn't even seem that appealing to me yeah but because of i was just watching whatever was in front of the tv yeah yeah i watched it and the rest is history um there's also a secret layer sponge bob uh and to connect

SpongeBob and Final Fantasy, I haven't told you this yet. Oh. Blitzball. Yes. In Final Fantasy 10, 2001. Blitzball's the in-game game. Blitzball's the end-game game. It's water soccer, basically.

Cool. They, in the story, when you play Blitzball, there's like a one blitzball game that's a part of the plot. And they have announcers. One of the announcers, so first of all, the voice cast is kind of crazy. It's like John DiMaggio, who's a bender, is the voice of Waka, one of the main characters in this. Wow. There's a lot of things.

But one of the announcers, a side character who only shows up once is Tom Kinney. Wow. That's incredible. And he's literally like, we're about to watch some Blitzball. You know, it's like he's like doing an adult announcer voice. Like if you pitch down SpongeBob, he does kind of sound like an announcer. I'm ready to play Blitzball. I think I wrecked my pants on the Blitzball.

court yeah that was right at the like cusp of like video games started to become oh this is a legitimate thing for an actor to do but it was still prior to that where it's like oh it's just voice actors that do it not real actors just voice actors do this kind of weird thing uh and then then now you have death stranding too which is the opposite of that i was showing i was showing jacob uh screen caps of death stranding two and i don't i actually love hideo kajima loved Metal Gear, have it played either of the Death Stranding games. Yes. But all I know them for is having very hyper-realistic depictions of Norman Redis.

Yes, that is the big thing from Death Stranding. I would say, I think you would like it. I like it because here's the thing about Hideo-Kajima. Fantastic game designer. Really incredible. His stories are never perfect, but they are unbelievably earnest. And I think that that is the thing. that like, here's, here's my little spiel about Hideo Jima.

I will also say, as you say that, yes. There are some monologues in Middle Gear Solid 2 that, like, accurately predict 20, 25 politics. Yeah, there's, there's, like, I mean, also you consider the fact that Death Stranding came out right at the same time that, oh, we were a land that was divided and only connected by porters because it was COVID. And, like, there's some weird things that he's done. But, like, I feel like a lot of people will try to, like, compare. like a David Lynch to a Hideo Kojima where it's like two weird guys which he loves by the way

Hideo would love that but I also am like you you should be you should be comparing these two people but not for the reason you're doing it you should compare them because they both truly honestly love and believe in the things that they're saying and they are so earnest about it and like sometimes

that comes out as a weird character that dies every 21 minutes who is your best friend Nicholas Winding Refin but it's not acted by him because he's just a director and so he can't act very well like there's so much weird stuff the first off like he put SS Rajamuli

who made RRR and Bahubali into Death Stranding 2 he is an incredibly important Indian actor or Indian director that I would say is like he's just in there as a character that has nothing to do with him he also put the uh

who were the YouTuber twins who may talk to me um I can't remember their names but yeah the Rockca The Rocca, the, it's like the Romanopoulos or something twins. I'm blanking on their names. They just did bring her back, right, also as them. It is such a funny thing to see that, like, Kojima loves to, it's really just like, I think

they are acting in it. Like, I'm pretty sure those are their actual voices. It's funny to be like, which of you are the actual people speaking, which of you aren't? Whereas also, like, Madang Sok Don Lee is also in that he was one of the eternal. if you might remember also a fantastic Korean actor but like he is not acting in it which is weird where I'm like you are an actor though you could be doing this you can speak English

like I don't know why this is happening but there's no rhyme or reason it's just like whoever Kojima wants to play with his little action figures and it's like a beautiful thing that's I in and Hideo Kojima my favorite thing about him his posting is that he always posts

photos with American actors that he's working with they're a fan of. Yep. And it happens to the point where I'm like, what do they talk about? He doesn't speak English. Yeah, truly. Like, that's, I, it is, it is so funny.

I have to remember that, like, he does, he is married. And I think he has kids. I'm not sure. He, like, has done a very good job of keeping them out of. You wouldn't know it because I, in my mind, he, like, goes to sleep inside of a floating orb. Right. I also get beamed into a spaceship.

I, like, I don't know what he's doing, but I'm pretty, I think I'm correct about that. But I, uh, it is very funny. like my favorite thing is whenever it's like press season for death stranding and it's just he has posted three images in quick succession that are of him with this hot actress that he likes with the Titanic theme under it and I'm like what you have the opposite of a social media manager yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he must be someone who's there that's just like jabbing you every 10 minutes to be like post something now quick he loves he loves film and his reviews are always very lovely and like very beautiful and then whenever he gives whenever you see something

and post about it but doesn't have a glowing review everyone goes oh he hated it it's so good he just saw this on the plane yeah what no review he hated that shit if he just if he just posts a picture with no caption you know it's yeah oh no there's nothing there and i do appreciate that that is the thing he's still he's still putting it out there but he's not giving his judgment and that's great philip who philip who Philipo, pal. Philip, pow. Brothers.

Brothers. Gotcha. I had a segue. Yeah. We were talking about something here. We wanted to talk about robots, AI. Here, well, you know, Kojima talks a lot about ghost mex in Death Stranding, too. Could we talk about ghosts in the machine in some way right now?

I think we can because today we've segued perfectly into one of our topics, which is something an editor of our scent, which is this new trend of AI, ASMR videos. we've slowly been collecting the infinity zones of AI taking our jobs and I guess I already hate this so much I'm a little nervous because it's also one of those things where the content is successful and the comments are into it and not asking very many questions and this is why regulation is important because like if left to our own id and left to our own like we're just not going to stop the convenience or that you were no one no one has the time to be as discerning as i can be when my job is being discerning online you know yep all right let's see what yeah what we got actually oh so these are very like so satisfying kind of vibes which is which has already been like a terraformed part of the internet yeah in favor of like content farms yes right um so that's already does feel like a race to the lowest common denominator of just like what can I do it can I do a thing that triggers something right like that is purely all this is literally a it feels like it's a machine that is positively reinforced when it creates dopamine in a human's brain yes yes exactly okay all right okay so it's a Minecraft glass block 360,000 likes so that's yeah this is this is great for you know the next era

of six graders to talk about remember when you first saw the Minecraft Cube. It's hijacking like Peep's his brain. Oh, man. Yeah, this is for you. This has been scientifically engineered for... Yeah, okay.

They're going to cut it open, it's going to be a webcam. A webkin's frog with a questionable name. Yeah. All right. Named too bad. Oh, okay. Okay.

That one's not even a good noise. It's an ouchy noise, in my opinion. I can see why this is successful. I do. Okay, yeah, the fact that this is AI generated is, like, not surprising to me. Of course, this is the, like, the things that you would put into an AI that's like, what's going to be successful, ASMR, Minecraft, and... Knife cutting things.

Just a sharp knife. Yeah, and like, in things that you can train, that we can generate millions of hours of... of footage to train on illegally probably most likely not officially licensed most likely probably and uh and yeah hand hand cam cutting stuff

here's something that I think I've realized about AI in general for me where like I'm I've always been a hater I always will be because I'm simply like I know that it is not that I think that AI as a tool and as like a research

subject is not worthwhile it's that I know how capitalists work and I know that anyone who immediately finds something that is going to quote unquote increase productivity while also cutting costs as in getting rid of people I know that this is the perfect equation for something like that this is the like in the same way this is the thing where it's like well why would anyone want to tap their fingers on a thing when they could just generate it themselves and get the perfect one and it's like that's not the point of what we're doing here it's the same thing with music because there have been something I've talked about

kind of over the years a increasingly common trend of trying to create virtual musicians and virtual influencers, not like your Hatsunemikus of the world, not like your V-tubers where it's a person kind of puppeting a thing, which can be an artistic expression,

but quite literally like creating something that is wholly owned by the studio, a real industry plant, yeah, that they can, that doesn't have feelings, can't ever be overworked, can always infinitely produce, and just provide

a free, like infinite money glitch. It's like basically like what everybody's after. I think that that is also, okay, here's the best way I can describe what this video is like causing in my brain right now is you know when somebody's like hey I had this wild dream last night

and they tell it to you for 15 minutes and the entire time you're like I do not care about what this dream was and the reason behind that is because it's a dream and the dream has no logic and anything can happen in it and therefore there are no stakes and there is no like sure

if you're telling it to me because you want me to like figure out how this is about your dad somehow sure I can talk to you about that and my dad was there and he was mean to me. Yeah exactly that's fine but if you're trying to tell it to me as a story as like, this is, wasn't this so funny that this happened in the story? I have no connection with it because it's a dream that doesn't actually exist. Exactly.

In the same, similarly, when somebody describes to me a D&D campaign thing or an improv show. Or an improv show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or sometimes I, now I'm a little bit more into magic so I can pick up on all the weird things that are happening. But sometimes it's a lot to catch on to, yeah. When someone's like, oh, I did this thing and this thing and this thing, I'm like, cool, that's just what the rules laid out for you. So, of course that happened.

Like, or you improvised a thing. that's what we do when we're creating something together. But there's no, like, there was no, like, trying to absorb that story as if it is as important as you telling me how your mom got hit by a car, that's never going to be the same because one of those has stakes and one of those doesn't. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's not grounded in anything. If I can watch someone who has actively chosen to do a thing as an ASMR artist and they have decided to cut these certain things, that's an interesting thing that they've chosen. to do. They've made this thing. This is a dream to me. This means

nothing. It's sure. It triggers all the same like that high fructose corn syrup, right? It like we weren't meant to have this much access to refined sugar. Not meant to. But like our bodies, it's like the technology is going to evolve faster than our bodies. Yes.

And our minds can evolve. Yeah. And there are risks to that. But yeah, this does feel like like jacking into the dopamine mean factory or whatever. Yeah, because like, isn't part of the fun of those knife videos is that the knife is really sharp and it's cutting something that would be hard to cut or that you wouldn't normally

cut into, right? Yeah. So if it's like a foam thing, you're like, ooh, the foam makes an interesting noise. I think the sounds too, but that's the thing is like, of course we can steal a bunch of ASMR creators like high quality audio recordings of certain sounds and we can. label it and train an AI to reproduce it. Human intent is an important aspect of creation that this to me is like, I don't, it just feels like cocoa melon for adults, you know, like, a hundred percent where it's like a baby isn't,

like can't perceive of the intentionality behind art. So it is just like, okay, let me jingle some keys or whatever. Yeah. It is, this is the jingling keys. And I think it is also, it is so important to recognize that, like, it does, it does rewire your brain. Like, when you watch enough of this stuff, like, there, you will start to crave, like, I need the pure, like, I can't watch these, these analog ASMR videos anymore. I got to get the pure stuff. Yeah, like, truly, I wasn't, I'm just surprised that this isn't just like, here is, uh, an amalgamation of random images and then all of the most immediately triggering ASMR sounds.

all one right after another. It's getting close to like, it's getting close to consuming an entertainment unit. Yeah. You know, it's like you go and it's just like it blasts your brain full of color and sound. Yeah, it very much, any time, again, going back to the dream thing with someone's like,

I asked Grock this thing. And I'm like, well, congratulations. Like you talked to yourself essentially. Like you, this is just reflecting back the things that you want. And whenever anyone is like, but imagine a world where you could just be like, I want an action movie that is this long and has this kind of thing.

I'm like, that does not sound appealing to me. That could only ever sound appealing to an executive. Yeah, yeah. It can only sound appealing to an executive because their incentive is not the same thing as what an artist's, like, obviously there is a profit motive even in art for artists, but usually at its purest form, an artist is expressing something with their art.

And when you boil it down to just profit, it, then you like, you just get anything to make a quick buck and nothing means anything. Yeah. Like, I'm not an ASMR guy, but it's like pleasing.

They've created something that's pleasing to look at. I'm not going to deny that. Play a little bit more because there was something else pleasing about this. The little cubes falling out for some reason. And like this is like, That happens in a video game as like a reward. So there's like a reward center in my brain that's like, ooh.

And in like soap cutting videos when the soap starts to shard off and do a bunch of little pieces. All I can do, like I'm relatively powerless when it comes to regulating AI. And I also do not think that the American government would ever regulate something related to AI more quickly, like in a preventative fashion. Yeah. Like that there's just no universe. also that's not going to happen very quickly. So this is in the move fast and break things, wild, wild west of we found a new gold rush. We're not considering any of the risks of that.

We are simply racing to capture as much gold as possible because eventually this market will become so saturated that you have to do more work to get. You have to mine deeper, harder, better, faster, stronger in order to get the oil, to get the resource out of the, out of the earth. And right now, it's like a cheap thing. This is just generated with V-O-3. I'm sure it is difficult to, in some capacity or else even more people would be doing it successfully. But people who don't take AI advancement seriously, a few years ago, a few months ago, are like the thing. fingers. They're never going to get fingers right. That's how I know. We'll look at these. Already. You know what I mean? So it's like, they're beautiful. And that's, okay, relax.

And like, that's a thing where I'm like, this stuff, I do believe that we, like, when things proliferate and grow, we will continue to identify trends, the AI look, you know, like to be able to identify these things as people. but I will say that I'm at least a bit concerned that the AI will catch up to patch those perception holes. It's going to be, I think that's a moving target. Yeah, there will always be an element of like, you can't know what you're looking at. And that's a very scary thing to get used to as we go into whatever this future is. like there is certainly i've you know i've seen the the jokes online about how it's like when i'm in the nursing home my kid will be like oh no my teacher they're an ai you didn't notice that they said Coca-Cola wrong like that kind of thing where it's like yeah you we're all going to be

moving as we like are absorbing these new technologies that are both frightening and moving at such a clip because all we want is for them to make things more productive and like I I think that that's like the thing that always gets me with this kind of thing is when people are like, ah, but it gets rid of all that boring stuff, like practicing and perfecting your art and doing the thing. And you know, all the stuff that makes you feel worthwhile in life and you enjoy. And it's like, no, quit it, quit it, quit it, quit it. That's not the stuff that I want to. We've talked before about when it's like a drawing and it's like, anyone can do this. It's like, anyone can draw to you.

Yeah, they're like, well, AI's making art accessible. That was the most accessible thing for anyone to do ever. And Jordan started doing this thing in which I started doing it after him was just going, when's life? Hey, when's life? When do I do? Like, if you don't want to practice, if you don't want to get good at your own thing, what are you doing?

Yeah. What we need to remember is that there's such a, there's such a fear of being cringe, but there should be a bigger fear of being lame because if you're cringe, all right, Being cringe means you've tried a thing that you have been excited about and maybe it comes out weird and like, yes, you've learned how to do a full K-pop dance

in your fedora and maybe that's cringe but you also learned how to do the full dance and that's great. If this, when you're like, oh, it is more cringe for me to write an essay about something I'm passionate about and about a storyline that I like

than it is for me to just ask ChatGBT to do this. But that is infinitely lamer. There's so much lamer to just be like, oh, I would rather not do a thing so that way I'm never putting myself in a vulnerable position because that scares me. And like, you should be more afraid

of being lame. There might be a cultural disconnect here, but there's a lot of, look, look, they're trying to do something. That guy over there, he's, I remember when I started a YouTube channel I posted about it on Facebook, people are like, oh, look, he's doing a little thing.

Yep. And then until you do it to an extent, and then people are like, oh, that's actually valid. Yeah, yeah. It's actually a thing you can do as your career or whatever. I feel like that happens with art, right? Like, you draw, like, if I drew a drawing right now and it wasn't very good and I showed it off to people, there's a certain amount of pity, I feel like, that some people would feel if I was proud of my bad drawing.

And then if I got really good after putting out like a shitty drawing, then suddenly it's like, oh, wow. Yeah. And that progress, that journey, I think, is an inherently valuable. Yes. Journey. And I also think that there's a lot in our society of looking back at current people who are succeeding in art and retconning all of the stuff they did as good up until that point. And that is not true.

Like, I truly, everyone loves to talk about, there's a Christopher Nolan, like, student film that's about a guy in a box. that, like, is also trying to squash himself in a box. It's, like, cool and interesting in meta. I don't think it's great, but it's also, like, I see where he was going from there. But, like, everyone goes back to that, and they're like, look at how perfect he was when he made that short film. And it's like, no, that student film looks like a student film. It's not polished.

It's not perfect. There's some interesting things in it. And then he used that to get better. And, like, that is, I think, a very scary thing is, especially now with everything being online. and people myself included scrubbing old videos and like trying to get things away whether that's just because you grew out of it

or you didn't want to have that thing because you were like oh this is like this wasn't as good as I could have made it you get so afraid of the process getting to a thing that you you think you have to be good at the very beginning because the process is cringe because like

I cringe so often looking back on things that I've done but it's not lame not lame exactly and and it's like you know the to cringe I agree with the to become cringe just to be free

you know embrace cringe and all that because we stop we create so many artificial roadblocks for ourselves and they stop us from realizing potential because maybe you're like me and when you were younger like you didn't want to do things that you weren't initially very good at because it was so embarrassing um this is uh not to bring it to something as stupid as sports

but this is something people do uh with um first year NBA players where they're like he's a bust and it's like give him time you just this is his first season in the NBA like let him if anyone ever does anything later on in their career it will like redefine like the way that people like people are so quick to cast judgment on you know the like LeBron James's son Brani immediately people are like he's not an NBA player he's not cut out for the NBA and then he starts like putting up incredible numbers in the G league and then people are like well he's you know a Nepo kid and he's like not really good enough to be like a rotation player And he's only in year two, and two years, a year prior to him joining the NBA, he nearly died on the court from a heart condition. God. Like he, and this is like, he's bounced back unbelievably quickly. Yeah.

And he has an unbelievable amount of pressure on him. And he's had an unbelievable amount of privilege to get him to this place. But the amount of weird, like, judgment on him, especially being like a second round, 60th pick in the same. second round draft pick where no one can even name another person who has drafted that low that ever became something in the NBA like it's but but it's because it's like it's cringe to not be the best at everything at all times yeah and it's to get human condition about it it's because we don't like we want to feel better about ourselves so seeing someone not succeeding at something even if it's being an NBA player when the person crit critiquing them is

never left their couch it makes them feel better to be able to find flaws yeah and if it's easy to find flaws then the better they feel you know there are there are several things that like i've wanted to this kind of ties back into the conversation we're having earlier about like um i just lost my shirt about like careers and like where you want to go with it and like oh do i want to do this all i don't want to do on professional level but it's fun to do like you like to sing and um i there are like even when I was a kid I was I played violin throughout high school and I like didn't want to practice at home because I was like I don't know this song that well my family's going to hear it and think I sound like shit you just got to practice but like even now like I there are things I love to do I love to perform

whether it's singing or just like being in a YouTube video or something and I've been wanting to get back into YouTube I've been wanting to kind of get into voice acting and so I'm going to reveal I think I've been doing like little auditions for voice acting. and I didn't do it for the longest time because I was like oh what if other people in my house like hear me doing them or like what if I oh but I sound weird and even like alone in the house

I wouldn't do it because I got embarrassed of myself right and so I was like no you just have to you're never going to get better if you're just like well I'm never I'm not immediately the best person I've ever heard so I'm not going to do it yeah exactly it takes so much which I am I'm fully have I'm an evangelist for improv

but I was terrified of doing anything until I took improv because it teaches you how to fail and celebrate failure and then use the failure to then build something new and beautiful or bad and that it's over and no one cares yeah no one remembers no one remembers it it sounds like a dream when you recount it yeah you set up so many roadblocks for yourself and you just have to you just have to have to have the mindset of to be cringes to be free because you can't you can cringe at yourself but you have to still let yourself do the thing that makes you run.

I'll do the bad version is like another like mental like framework sometimes it's like Brian I'd be curious your thoughts on this with writing especially or Anastasia where the thing where you don't want to move past the first sentence

because you go oh that's not right you're like I need to come up with a name that needs to be better yeah and then and then it can be so arresting where you kind of have to like for me something that's helped is like okay so we're going to put down the place holder version.

Yeah. Like when we would script stuff a lot for my main channel back on the day, oftentimes I would identify the structure of a joke that I wanted, but I didn't know the, it was like a mad lib where I was like, okay, I want to do a joke that's structured this way, but I don't know the specific, because you can get into like comedy math where it's like,

okay, I don't know the specific here. Is it peepee? Is it pee pee? Is it poop? The amount of times that I have written a thing that's like X thing, Y thing, and a third thing. And it's just like that I know that that's what is going to be. And I rule of thirds.

I know that's what we're going to do. What's the comedy number? It's fine. What's the funniest number in this scenario? I do think, you know, people say perfect is the enemy of good, but I think perfect is the enemy of done. And I mean that in the most loving possible way because you're, if you are, especially with writing, because the truth is the way you make writing good is rewriting. so being able to be like whatever I'm just going to put in a place holder and move on from this like that gets you to vomiting up everything in your brain onto the page right and then once you get to

the end then you can go back to spend the ram now thinking about that path that you've paved and you can see other like as you're traversing that path you can start to see other openings and other opportunities. Like in a video game, the first time you walk through a level, maybe you're focused on the end. And then when you go back, you go, oh, wait, there's like a little branching path over here. Oh, there's a little secret. Yeah. You know, like, but before I was, there was so much stimulus, I was so overwhelmed with the opportunity ahead of me. I just went in the B-line. And now I preloaded that. The map tiles are loaded in. You know what I mean? Because like, that's the thing. It's like the plane's already been built.

The plane already flies. Okay, so now let's make the paint job better. Let's make the wing more aerodynamic, you know? It is a weird thing to come back to AI, ASMR, which I love. Which we all are such big fans of. The thing about it that, like, is so hard to describe to someone who has never tried to make anything is that it's like the end product is rarely the thing that makes me very excited. excited like if anything that tends to be like the scary thing i'm enjoying it like i go through big pits and like uh valleys where i yeah peaks and valleys not pits and valleys those are

both down there were i've been it all recently i've been a lot of pits of valleys yeah sometimes it is pits and valleys and i'll yeah i'll be like fully honest these past couple years i've been i've been doing lots of pits and valleys and abysses and they've been great for me uh but the But, like, the, I don't know, there are a few things outside of, like, maybe, I don't know, food or sewing. Like, food is one of my favorite creative activities because I know immediately at the end that it's good, right? Or that it's bad. And, like, when it gets a little more subjective and when I'm, like, making any of my videos or music or anything, I don't, I tend to be way more self-critical as opposed to I can make a burger. And if I enjoy and I eat the whole burger, congratulations, Brian, you did a good job.

Like, that's, there's nothing else that can, that matters at that point in time. That is a functional burger. And also, guess what? It's gone. It's in my belly. Exactly. And all that matters is that I enjoyed it. And why can't we have that same framework around something creative?

Exactly. And like, with ASMR AI stuff where I'm like, the, the closest equivalent I can think of is like, okay, I cooked a meal for my friends and they enjoyed it. That is the best feeling in the world to me. Absolutely. Yeah. I took a meal kit that I prepped and people enjoyed it. that's okay, but it's not the same.

I ordered a food and I told you that I worked really hard on typing it into my order and then it got here and you all enjoyed it. There's nothing I get from that where I'm like, congrats, yeah. Well, I ordered from the good Popeyes this time. That's all that happened. Great Popeye curation. Exactly. Like there's really not a thing.

And it's so hard to describe that to someone who hasn't cooked a thing before where it's like, no, but when you do make a thing and everyone goes, this is so tasty, there's no better feeling in the world. Not everything has to be a journey, a hero's journey, right? Like, because, because sometimes you're tired after working, so you order out. Or sometimes you don't want to be challenged so you watch, uh, fucking, uh, cops colon, Miami colon, uh, police force or whatever. Yeah. You know, like 18th cop spinoff. Yeah. No, no, just like one of those things where it's like true Los Angeles in the forest or whatever. Yeah. Like Chicago fire. This time, we're putting them out. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, Chicago.

PD fire, uh-oh, the police department's on fire, question mark. The, and, and that's okay. Like, uh, those I kind of paint by number of shows, like, it's not about saying they're all bad because I think everything, like, there is a market for these things because they hold a place, right? When someone tells me they watch my, or listen to my podcast while doing their chores or they watch a video while they're eating, it doesn't, I don't go like, Christopher Nolan, like, you need to be in... If you're not watching this on IMAX, you're not watching it at all. What the hell, dude? I always, I rent out every theater,

every week so I can watch Sad Boys. Right, yeah. And that's why we have the Sad Boys 35-millimeter like film canisters. Yeah, yeah. Just film in A&K. But yeah, so it's like, obviously you choose your battles. Yeah.

But choosing some battles. Choose some battles. Don't just make them all easy. Is that, to me, that is, when you live right like having some sort of yeah challenge and you know I will say that like the choice and creative pursuit of challenge or excuse me the pursuit of challenge is a privilege like I think that like not everybody has the space in their lives to think about that but if um you have a passion but you're not good at it at your first try you really love it

there's no reason not to keep doing it because we're so quick to turn something how can you make that profitable yeah like for when i started doing youtube it for the people who i worked with in tech not everybody but like for some people the way i needed to get it through their heads that what i was doing had value was to discuss monetary value yeah and that's not why i was doing it i would go start a company and try to like have a huge exit if i was trying to make like generational wealth whatever but it's like it's just like what i wanted to do yeah and i think i want to like i'm fortunate enough to be able to live a life where i can like pursue things that are you know uh i'm curious about and that is uh but our our society has been a little you know muddied by the fact

that we value money over almost anything else and it even you know we've talked How good of a father were you? It doesn't matter, but I'm a billionaire. So. Yeah, yeah. Like with Pokemon cards where it's like, this one's worth $3,000, but like, is that why you like the card? Yeah.

Yeah. And it's also like, and I love buying packs and crack and packs. And yes, that is a commodity. Yes, I love engaging in aspects of commodities and in consumerism and stuff. Because that's my journey isn't being the guy. who makes the poker. That's not my challenge as being the guy

who makes the next card game. Yeah. Talking specifically about like card values and stuff where like that was a thing in magic that I had to get used to was like,

oh, I need to know what this card is like outside of just well it will it work in my deck partially because I'm like it's scary to hold a card that's worth $300 in your hand to be like oh what am I doing?

Right? Like but it's just something that like now has become a part of this whole culture. But in the same way of like things need to be immediately profitable. And that's why

things like AI are so hot because it's like people want to get the thing without having to do any of the work. And that is, I'm not saying that like you, it's only worthwhile if you, you toils and you feel terrible. Although that's, you know, my, my beautiful Catholic upbringing would tell me otherwise. But like the something that I've been struggling with a ton recently is just trying to remember what the joy is in making a thing. thing because so much of everything gets tied into how it is received and how other people like view it like that is obviously how our whole careers is online to me too where it's like the frustrate sometimes if there's time pressure on something the frustration of not being able to get from point A to point B can can take away the joy or can make me forget about the actual

enjoyable parts of the process. Yes, definitely. And I was, the final thing I was just going to say was just like the, it is, it is so hard now. I am currently struggling with this to try to learn a new thing. It is so hard. And so like, the only preachy thing I can say is to anyone who is like in school right now and like using chat GBT or any AI to do the thing is like, this is your only chance in life to learn anything. please learn

and try to figure out a joy of learning because like as soon as you hit a career or whatever they don't want you to learn anything anymore they want you to produce they want you to do the thing that you've already learned and you don't have any space to do this other stuff where that was like you have to find a way

to like oh cool now after work I have to I'm tired and I don't want to go learn a new language or whatever my brain is sore yeah it's hard and so like it is I kick myself over the things that I didn't learn as a kid I 100% agree by the way I wish I was good at piano

I wish I was good at these other things but I also I think that it makes it more worthwhile again something I'm currently struggling with of like it is worth it to still try to learn something even if you're not good at it even if you will never be good at it it is worth it to try to learn

because it is you will find things about it that make you happy and that you are enjoying and that like if I never tried to learn like if I gave up on doing pottery immediately which is what I wanted to do because I sucked at it I would have never actually found a thing that I enjoyed for so long and then haven't done for the past year

because I've been like well I have to work now I can't do this other thing I can't turn this into content exactly so I'll be turning that into content soon and I'll find a way to do my pottery on camera because that's the only way things work That's the only, because now, yeah, that's, now that Hollywood's, big Hollywood's paying me to get ripped and be Mr. Pottery coming to a theater near you. I can't wait.

Anastasia, what were you going to say? I just was going to say, I want to see Peeps said they had a version. Oh, yeah. They found a version of this. I also want to look a little bit before we tap off this, just more at comments. Because I just want to, these are so popular and people are just like, yeah. I The funny thing is

I don't want to actually watch more No Because I feel like it's just Going to be more of the same Yeah it's got There's always like a little bit Of a misdirection of like Oh what's inside of the Apple

I guess there's going to be some seeds That fall out you know There's five glass cutting videos So what the hell Yeah Yeah definitely I'm no better than an iPad baby See yeah

Yeah The is this S real or Fiction Was a little lower Ciencia Fiction So science fiction Is this real or science fiction? True.

It is science fiction, I'm sorry to say. A lot of different languages, which is interesting. I mean, this is, everyone understands the power of... What does Doudard mean in Spanish? Doudard. I don't know.

Oh, no, that's wrong. False cognates. Doubt. It was. To know about something. Or to have doubt about something. Yeah, yeah. Can you, can you, can you,

Can you scroll up? The best. The best, something without a doubt. Yeah. Oh, the best one. This must be the best one without a doubt. Yeah. The best one.

A Visto. Yeah, I've seen without a doubt, yeah. Sorry, my Spanish is rough. Yeah, this is a... I always imagine that the block of the diamond block was, or the crystal. What is that? Crystal block. Yeah.

Used to be Queco. What is Huico? This is why I need to learn Spanish. Empty. Well, you still can. Yeah, I'll learn it in high school. The knife has, yeah, is infinitely sharp.

Yep. There was a video I saw the other day of someone cutting a real thing and it was supposed to be like, is the inside of this thing going to be cake or steak? And then they cut it and it was an apple. And it was, that's funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's funny. And I enjoyed that so much more than.

something like this. Someone actually just, like, made a video and they made it a joke and it was good. You have the real one. Let's see peepses. Oh, yeah. ASMR Slice Lab. I wonder if that's just another one of those content. But yeah, content farms have always been, like, just earlier on in my commentary career,

I talked a lot about content farms. And it's very interesting to see them truly become, like, headless, where it's like, you don't even need people anymore. No. It's just whatever gets the most engagement. Okay. recreating AI part 9 Minecraft block cutting

I love this yeah this is great is there a fudge block I think might just be clay clay oh that makes sense oh something crispy what's crunchy in there I want to eat it yeah it looks good

chocolate with nuts in it yeah or they added yeah I was gonna say oh yeah it does look like a new yeah it doesn't it doesn't line up yeah that's great it's so imperfect and lovely It's just like, it's so silly. It's great. Can you play the one I sent from Instagram? This is, so this is the Garfield tarot reader.

Oh my God. And she has these little plastic garfields. If you turn on the sound. With the garf outdoorsman, we don't have a... She has these bracelets and long nails and she taps the level of garfs and she shakes them up. We have the replacement of the outdoorsman garf. coming directly at you and facing you. That's so fun.

That's great. That's great. That's great. There is going to be an opportunity coming your way. Look, all other tarot reading I'm a little suspicious of, but this one I believe 100%. This one, I'm, mostly I'm curious about how, like, Mondays factor into this whole equation. There is one where there's a garf that says, I hate Mondays. You say a garf?

Is that what the people in the community? That's what she calls them, a garf. This garf, this outdoor scarf. And it's like, that's so creative and funny and interesting. And like, it's still ASMR. I love the nail tapping. I like her jangle of her bracelets and her sultry voice. And then at the same time, you get something that's, like, so unique and funny.

Yeah. That is, that's great. I love that. Like, I think that's the one thing I have here is that I'm sure there are people who are out there being like, oh, but like, who needs real ASMR? And we can just get like the mainline stuff that's like pure uncut, well, pure cut, I suppose. A little Minecraft blocks. And it's great.

But it's like, that is, that will always be the case is like, well, we don't need writers for a thing because we got this thing to write. We don't need actors because we got this other thing. We have the Ritobot 9,000. Exactly. And there will always be that thing. Like, I, you know, there are some people out there who are like, oh, this is going to destroy writing. I don't believe that. I think like there will always be people who want to.

listen to people's writing. Like people, this is all more important than a new technology is the constant storytelling thing that humans have done forever. Yeah. The fact that something comes from a human mind is an important

part of how you can connect to it. Yeah. And I feel like that's like not talked about enough where I think that people's like, the AI accelerationist or whatever who were like, Hollywood's doomed, check out this like trailer and it's a bunch of like lens flares and like it just looks like you're watching

a dream yeah you know and it's like okay well there's no intentionality behind this yeah and it's like no no no I gave prompts reads with the scenes well and often so I think we're actually in a pendulum swing right now where independent film is kind of having a resurgence it's getting more and more popular and I think that's kind of in response to the fact that we've been given cotton in candy for quite a while. And so I think that there's always going to be these swings. Happens in music. It just happens in everything.

Yeah. It's like we get like the 2000s. I feel like a lot of our clothes looked way more futuristic. Yeah. And it's like, then we relaxed. And then like it will probably get. Maybe in 500 years, our robot overlords are going to be listening to this laughing all the way to the bay.

Yeah. Absolutely. Wow. They really thought. Anyway, back to my cutting videos. and they're going to be wearing like cargo caprice yeah all 2000

sleigh queen bot Brian thanks so much for joining us yeah thank you for letting me take Jordan's very big shoes and it was not it was not by his choice no you took him by force

I made sure that this was my space you made sure that it was my space You came in here, you came in here like this. Yeah. That's a joke for only ancient people. Yeah, that's good. Only people who like Final Fantasy would get that joke. There we go.

Yeah. The Gundam heads out there. Yeah, no, this is great. I'm glad to be fully replacing Jordan for the rest of the podcast. Rest of time. Well, we got enough audio now that we can kind of train an AI on your likeness. I understand that that's what you really invited me over here for so you can make your own Minecraft cutting videos.

Well, yeah. Next week, we're going to be joined. by the disembited hands cutting a Minecraft block next to me and I'm just gonna talk to them and you'll just hear what are your views on

artistry that's great you say something they don't like they make the really bad glass yeah get that out of here is there anything you want to promote I know you guys have a bunch of random shit going on

yeah you'll like in a film it's a bad thing I feel like I have gotten so used to just being like you can look me up online as Brian David Gilbert because I don't know when things things come out or when whatever. I'm on them.

Actually, I'm the fact checker there. I'm also doing, at least for another few, the Gotta Catch Em All Game Show with Pokemon. We'll be at Anaheim doing a thing there. Karen and I are still writing. If you're an executive and you want to hire a non-AI writer, I know that I've done a really good job of telling you why you should hire me instead of an AI.

That was actually the whole point of this. We have a huge executive fall. Yeah. I know the executives love this. It's like they're all bots. The bots are here. They love it. I really enjoyed what they said about automatically generated content.

We should hire, Brian. I can't wait. And AI is getting depressed because he's like, why don't they like my stuff? Writers are taking our jobs. Writers are taking our robot jobs. I will personally adapt the cutting Minecraft Cube AI videos into a full-length movie because I know that's what they're clamoring for. After Minecraft and Minecraft block party.

does seem like an old like a newspaper comic where it's just like a packed out theater and it's just Minecraft block cutting yeah and then everybody's like wow incredible yeah well I'm ready to write it for you so call me up otherwise I'm around I don't know I've got nothing else going at the moment so that's my favorite part because most of the guests that come on we don't have people coming on just to promote something like a Jimmy Fallon or whatever so everybody's like oh fuck what am I even I am at the corner store on Thursdays yes that's where I get my roast beef Uh-huh. Yeah.

Invite me onto your magic shows because I like to play magic together. Oh, yeah, true. That's all. And you can check Brian out on our Patreon episode of Sad Boys Nights, which is located on Patreon.com slash sad boys. Brian, thanks again for coming. We end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry.

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