Sad Boyz - Is it okay to like Kanye?

Episode Date: March 25, 2021

recorded 9/16/2020 the boyz discuss online usernames, kanye, and the human condition   Watch Us Live (Wednesday/Sunday/Friday) ► https://twitch.tv/sadboyzpod   Listen To Us! Spotify ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/spotify Apple Podcasts ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/itunes   Follow Us https://instagram.com/sadboyz https://twitter.com/sadboyz   Follow Jordan https://twitter.com/jordanadika https://instagram.com/jordanadika   Follow Jarvis https://twitter.com/jarvis https://instagram.com/jarvis   Outro music @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank

Welcome to sad boys. Please. All right. Well, no, I'm sorry, dude. No, I hate to get in the way. You know that. And please fire away. All right.

Welcome to sad. I'm trying to get the momentum going. It's the latency, dude. I'm sorry. I was actually talking to. Yeah. Sorry. Okay.

Well, just gonna try it again. No, please. And now it would be insane for me to do it a third time. The bit surely can't sustain for that long. Especially not because this isn't the first time that you've done this to me definitely not that would be insane what's up you good brother what does that mean all right he's done it all right welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also i'm jarvis and i have to be

jordan i have to jarvis was taken hey i'm as mad about it as anyone. Those are the only two names. I'm going to start camping V sympathy V on any other platform I can find. And you know I'm still looking for it whenever it's available. Hunting down. Magic Jarvis. First try Jarvis. Second try Magic Jarvis. Third try V sympathy V.

It is definitely first try Jarvis. Second try Magic Jarvis. That is often how it goes. Is there anything else on the list? Oh, I mean, like, usually it's like Jarvis with extra s's and stuff oh okay yeah that before v sympathy v uh v sympathy v is fairly low on the list i would say it's roughly a thousand uh my first thousand options are not nothing well it depends what's what year is it because if it's Because if it's 2005, then it's number one. You there, boy. What year is this?

I put it at a nifty 2015. Okay, then yeah. It's definitely going for Jarvis. When did it get sunset? V Sympathy V? Probably instantly, I think. I even changed the name of the account that was V Sympathy V. Eventually, I changed it to Castled King, which I thought was cool.

And then I believe it is currently, it was like Magic Space Jarvis. But before that, it was Jarfish. I don't hate that at all. Jarfish is what the, I was a camp counselor in high school. And Jarfish was what a lot of the kids thought my name was and it was adorable oh that's kind of cute and it's and you were too afraid of them to correct them those kids they could climb me they would climb on top of me and i couldn't hold them all down at once so they would they would topple me they would uh control my mind yeah the bfg

they would they would topple me like the statue of a racist old guy. Oh, a bunch, a bunch of libs I see. Yeah, yeah, there we go. A lib cut camp of sorts. Did you bring kind of a cool chat energy or a cool chat energy, a dorky nerd support energy for those like the dorkier of the kids or my personal favorite Christian youth pastor vibe with like an acoustic? I think I'm like Christian youth pastor vibe

without a guitar, but very much like- Without the cool part. Yeah, without the cool part. Because I just wanted the kids to have a good time. So the kids, they were all full of energy and I am a people pleaser. So I would always like lift them up and I would basically play around with them, allow them to roughhouse.

Have them stand on the shoulder of giants. Yeah. And I was the giant. There is a photo and I don't know where it is, but it's of like six kids like dangling from my body. It's like me as a like a chunky kid. Like there's like a kid on each shoulder. There's like a kid on each shoulder there's like a kid on my legs and i'm just like walking them all through the playground as like a some sort of katamari of children

throwing them through the camp uh center window yeah do you think you're in your best the best shape of your life no um i i want to get back to you i think i was in the best shape of my life maybe a couple years ago i feel like i've recently let myself go and i need to stop eating comfort food and start eating uncomfortable food and then go outside and play more beat saber as well and then i will be in the best shape of my life and i'll be excited those other three things i do think i look the best i've ever looked but i agree but i want to you feel like shit dude i know you just look like shit more or less forever i want you like almost look good i that's true it's all true i mean that i mean that too i'm i'm on your side here literally i'm on the left side of the stream instead of the

right side hello i'm on your side. Come on. It's just the boys today. We've not got a guest. By design. We did this on purpose. We haven't been having enough just the boys episodes. Yeah.

For people that are, I guess, on the newer side, the old archive shows that the 2017-2018 era was vast majority boys. Boys only. True. Wait, did we make it in 2018 at any point it was 2017 only 2017 and 2018 last episode was uh i want to say june of 2018 july of 2018 it was vidcon oh yeah of course it was because it was brigand and then charlie and then we were outie yeah that was two guests so awful we just didn't want to do it we put out the episode on over committing and then we quit ah but but did anyone dm you about

it's uh i do ever received a dm of it well you know what's really funny is that i forgot you know how when you have a cold or something you're like i can barely remember a time where i didn't have a cold i just want to that's like a dream yeah it's like youth. And I don't know about you, but I find myself going like, please, God, like I will appreciate the mundane, normal health of me not having an ailment. That's kind of how I feel about the period known, I think, as the Dark Ages when we weren't releasing Sad Boys and people were DMing us about bringing back the podcast for a year and a half. I forgot that that happened because now that we're doing the podcast, I totally forgot that was a thing but man that was annoying actually it was because it hurt to not be making it it hurt to not be making it and it also hurt to like need to explain why it wasn't happening because it was always a complicated answer and it was like the short answer was we were not in the space to be making it. But the long answer was very logistics oriented.

There's not much of a narrative to it in a pretty uninteresting way. Like there's not even like a big explosion as to why it's. I mean, I suppose the closest thing to an interesting why not was me moving to L.A. But that didn't that was a good few months after. Yeah. Like four months. It's kind of like one of those like snooze button things where we were like, we'll do the show in person again because we couldn't possibly do it remotely and that has proven to be true and yeah so i i completely forgot the period of our lives where we weren't

doing the show and but it had existed previously so yeah what's also cool is that there are people who listen to it back then who are now like graduating high school or some shit or like yeah our children yeah yeah yeah that's weird it's also weird to me when people go back and binge the podcast because they end up knowing the show better than i do because i barely remember the 2017 version of the of the pod i struggle to retain some in jokes with what were once and continue to be extremely close friends i i remember justin that like stuck in my brain because it was referenced 250 times including by us yeah whereas wait no this is how bad i am on it because there's a little delay there's like a couple weeks after the episode we record and the episode comes out depending on the urgency of the episode

now i forgot about cool jordan two weeks after i it. Oh really? Somebody hit me up about the Sabrina episode when it came out and they were like, Hey dude, cool. Jordan's back at it again. I was like, that's really nice. If you just say that I'm cool. I like what's funny about it to me is that I,

there's a cool Jarvis character in the world of my YouTube videos that has exactly the same shtick. So it's like, it's like a one sub boys. Yeah. Chad boys. Ooh, cool Jarvis and cool Jordan in the same shtick. So it's like- Same boy. That's Chad boys. Yeah, Chad boys. Ooh, cool Jarvis and cool Jordan in the same, what is this, a crossover episode?

We would kill each other. It would be a singularity. That's true. Jordan, we've got a lot to talk about today. I don't want this to be just like a State of the Union episode or something because we'll get to everything in due time. But I do want to hear what's up with your computer because i shipped it off i think last friday and there's a tracking number and i picked

up by notoriously efficient uh company fedex yeah federal express what happened what's the deal it's uh it's it's the trash or i was gonna call it the trash update. Damn. That's roasting your computer. It technically right now is trash. Jordan's PC update. It's an update for a PC. Owned by Jordan. It shipped across the world. I guess give it a tariff.

A lot of logistics and surprising expenses that make no sense. Later, it arrives. Big old box. I can see it right there. Is that in the crop? Well, you know, no flex, but I do own a box. Sick. Very well packed.

Thank you so much, Jarvis. Very efficient. Comes fully structured. I get that graphics card back in. Everything's working. Very proud of myself. I did spend an hour unable to figure out why it wouldn't turn on. Put all the same switch ports back in,

only to tilt the computer slightly and realize that a big portion of the power was not plugged in. But I don't have a CS degree, so I't know you know i don't know you have to plug things in in order to for them to be powered and i because i prayed you know i got my acoustic out i spoke to him capital h capital h with the guitar though you have to god loves an acoustic cover come on bitch i just want to play valiant valorant come on bitch that's how that's how every that's how every that's how the bible starts me me leaning down on like it's raining outside my wife has left me my my cop partner has been killed and i'm just leaning down like come on bitch come on, bitch. Come on, bitch. I pray for anything, you big bitch.

Come on, bitch. It's like that Freddy Krueger character from Rick and Morty. You can run, but you can't hide, bitch. Actually, just the other night, me and Mel watched Freddy vs. Jason with very little experience with either series. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. The tell you the producers of that movie are very cautious about saving the budget until the last 20 minutes because it fucking pops

dude it's like genuinely because i was always under the impression like uh we're gonna protest i'll pull you into the dream world and then i'll torture you but like the fight does not take place in the dream world freddy is pulled out of the dream world and they just beat the shit out of each other for 15 full minutes he's like stabbing him and he cuts off his arm and then he uses his arm to beat him and then he tackles him onto like some construction equipment and hits him with that like wrecking ball it's just like so good i saw that movie in the theater and i couldn't tell you a single thing about it because i saw it when it came out i don't know it came out a thousand years ago i was a child i think there's a point that he that she kind of tames jason because she's able to enter his dreams

for no particular reason and he she's just like oh i'm so sorry that you drowned as the boy because he had a uh he was he had a facial deformity and all the kids were bullying him and then he's coming out of the water and she grabs his hand and then when she sees his face he drops him back in the water he just lets go again it's such a depressing movie uh very very forgettable but r.i.p.c for now uh r.i.p.c piece computer r. RIPC. But only a component of PC. I got very, very frustrated and sad. I'll touch on like why it was so frustrating in a sec. Wait, wait, wait.

So I just want to play back some of the story as I understand it. So you unbox it. Previously on. Previously on RIPC. You unbox it. You figure out how to plug it in with the power cable and stuff. It wasn't turning on, but then you plugged it in and now it does turn on. It's turning on.

I was able to, I placed everything back in, including the graphics card, took everything out, put it back in. Aside from the motherboard, everything worked. Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, main. However, when booting up, I was getting zero image on either of my monitors. I tried a bunch of different HDMI cables tried a bunch of different hdmi cables a bunch of different monitors the tv i i went back wild and i just couldn't make it work i'll touch on like the the why i was so angry about it in a mo part of which was just

we're waiting like two weeks after it was fucking shipped and despite the fact that it was supposed to be super quick because fedex kept cocking up at one point they left it in krakow and i was like it was it was in my county and then you took it to somewhere it had never been before you were like to get like cultural knowledge i guess let's take it to poland because you know that's probably where it got broken too because like the reason i shipped it quickly was so that it didn't spend much time in transit because that's like where all the shit can go wrong. Yeah. With notoriously violent people, the Polish. I have no idea if that's a term.

And those motherfuckers hate motherboards. Well, I'll say they are, the CD Projekt Red, the creator of The Witcher and the upcoming Cyberpunk are Polish. So I have a lot of unconditional love for them and I frankly should leave them alone. Yeah, it does have pictures from the trip. It has a bunch of Polaroids of the polish kicking its ass unfortunately uh if i knew a single trope about

poland i would say that they put like a sauna on the box or something but i don't know poland yeah i don't i don't know anything about poland but uh except for the crack out polish shepherd's pie display is located in poland and I did a brand deal with them. That's two big Ws from Displate. When I was running late on delivering my video, I kept looking at what time it was in Warsaw and then going, well, it's midnight in Warsaw, so who's going to review the video right now?

Famously inefficient people, the Polish. When does this... I don't know any of this, so I don't know if it is racist. I don't know any of this, so I don't know if it is racist. I don't know any of it for sure. And since when is ignorance racist? Also, since when is being a nationality a race? That's true.

Yeah, you're right. It's fine. You're actually right, Jarvis. It's good. Wait, so your PC, there was like a montage there was a montage of like dots on a map and in different pins and in different looking for clues yeah moriarty lots of stamps and things from different locations while i was on tour your pc and uh it arrived it come to me and thankfully in my town there's a weird like an uncharacter uncharacteristically high number of computer repair

shops i think because for a town that like does not have like a place where you can buy a like computer like you couldn't do that independently that did me. There is a fairly large pensioner community and I think things break and they get worried. But I took it in. They gave me a great assessment. I don't have to pay anything until they theoretically fix it. And they've ordered a new CPU to try out

that should work with everything. I was like, I can just build this. I'll just, can I just keep what I have, buy a new CPU and stuff? And they were like, this is a pretty fucking sick, epic gamer PC. Their words, not mine. And I was like, okay, let's give it another chance they say it looks pretty good

they've ordered a piece it's the countryside so it does take a calendar year for anything to arrive so the cpu should get there on monday they'll try installing it they say that everything else seems to work it's just that the cpu is cocked so it's it's it's probably like 100 quid and we'll be all set when the arrives, this is a heads up to everyone. I have, on the stream the other night, I drank a lot of red wine and I made the very clear statement, which I stand by, that we are going to have a

celebratory stream that runs like five hours long. I'm going to get various friends, including yourself Jarvis, to call in and congratulate me while I play. And we're going to wrap it up about an hour after that gaming section.'re gonna play some jackbox gonna go nuts I'm gonna wrap it up right at the end by creating a song about my my pc about my gaming my epic gaming computer and it will be called epic I like that a lot people who've been tuning into the latest

streams we've been improv we've been doing some like Mark Ribbillette Reggie Watts improvised stream uh we did a vote on what the theming should be. And we ended up with the tone being sad and the topic for the verse. I get one chance to do a verse. Do not miss your chance to blow. I actually, oh, is that my mom's spaghetti? For fuck's sake. God damn it.

Yet again. Didn't even eat it. She spilled it on me. I'm going to take one shot of tequila. You only get one shot. Sorry. Wait, can I miss my chance to blow oh more spaghetti mother i've tequila right at the beginning and then we're going to drink by

just holding the bottle by hand we're going to knock back a bottle of champagne so it should get a little nutty a little bit wild that is an absurd plan yeah i'm a nasty lad i do i'm dirty like that and much like we did in the last stream i'll be putting post-its on my face for any followers that come up and I'll be writing any new subs on pen on my chest. So, you know, come along now. Why don't you see? I'll wear this armor thing. I bought the most gaudy, disgusting suit jacket I've ever seen with vertical gold stripes.

We'll be wearing that on the stream. Getting a little nasty. I'm going to green screen myself into your apartment. Okay. It'll be a whole thing. Do you need like a full I can give you like a bunch of photos that you can make a 3d model yeah yeah like bdg yeah yeah yeah I I'm gonna set that all up it'll be a whale of a time but I got really yeah it should look it

looks like it should be okay I'll stop boring people with logistics and I'll move on to like why I got so sad and angry about it took like a two days from me a little bit i just got really down about it and i was like why am i being such a brat what is this about and i talked to my friend joel and i talked to my mom about it a little bit because i was just stuck in this little depression and they both were calling me and being like what's up because you're all supposed to go to lunch and i i think in part it's adhd has been rampant lately because I had not been,

I'd cut down my Adderall in an attempt to sustain my limited supply because it cost me about $400 to $500 to get it delivered here because it's not made in the UK and they won't give me anything because I can't get a psychiatrist appointment because the world appears to be on fire.

I don't know what it's about. So I wanted to sustain it as long as possible, but I can't. So I've gone back to my old one just cutting a third going back to my OG and it's really helping but prior to that and even with it

I've just had a complete inability to feel passionate like really truly passionate about the things that I'm doing and I fucking love streaming and yet when it comes to building out the stream developing the assets that I need I'm so blocked by the PC I i can't do anything with my mac there's so little i can do to like really level it up yeah and part of it was that i wanted to feel like yes i've evolved it's time let's go nuts me and sabrina have dm'd about playing fall guys like 15 times and every

time i'm like i think it's right around the corner and then it got delayed again delayed again and now i feel a little bit more enthusiastic about it because at least there's a fix coming but it's just one of those i just want a free win like yeah this isn't free i built the fucker i paid like two i saved up i paid like two grand a few years ago to get all the pieces i worked my ass off to build it and now because i had the audacity to want to have something i own it's just like all these logistical hurdles. And I think a big part of the frustration was this is a little bit of me getting to be back in my life. Yeah.

Like I played with friends on that PC. We're going to play together. Me and Stan's are going to play together. Me and Sabrina are going to play together, Eddie and Gus. There's like all of these opportunities, both for fun and the growth of my stream. And I just can't do it. And something about being so ungrounded,

having nothing in this apartment that is really mine, mine, or feeling like I'm putting down roots. It was, I realized that it was not literally the PC. It was like the PC just kind of represented this. Yeah, you actually deport me all you like, but I'll never stop being epic. Yeah. Epic till the day that I die thank you my steam will

come with me yeah i'm excited for the extravaganza of gaming that you're going to do i would love to be present for a lot of that uh because i want to play fall guys i want to play tony hawk i want to play all the games i want to i want to play some bony hawk yeah that sounds like a good time yeah now you can break your bones i like the look of that do you remember like skate the skate series i never owned it because i believe it was an xbox exclusive at some point but maybe not always one was yeah yeah and then i did so i didn't have that console but i played it at like game stops i would like play the demo at game stops because they the premise of it was that it was more realistic in terms of the inputs required to do the tricks and stuff. Yeah.

And it's cool. I mean, if they put another one out, I'd play it. So Tony Hawk, the remake of Tony Hawk 1 and 2 just came out on PC and PS4. I bought it on PC and PS4, by the way. I don't know what's wrong with me. I just wanted – It was in a fugue state. One day I was on the couch and I was like my computer is in

the other room I want to play Tony Hawk and I don't want to move very far so I just bought it I was covered in pieces of my American Express card I'm excited about it but one thing I miss one thing I want is I miss the like GTA elements of like Tony Hawk's American Wasteland you know yeah like like where you get off your board and you're like let me do a quest let me fucking do a like a fucking fetch quest for some old guy actually one thing i kind of want to do with you i kind of want to play gta online which is not normally something i'm wild about but i want to join like an rp server and just like go into a role-playing server not be like overly trolly or shitty but just have like

i want to experience it i played on i've opened for like 15 minutes and an overwatch rp server in the past and it's just sociologically really interesting like i just kind of want to exist in it yeah i i'm down i'm feeling so inspired lately it's a really good feeling yeah i mean well let's let me ask i think that's more or less my there's some other stuff actually but like how was your week because we've talked about it a teensy bit but i want that juice baby the week there's some like personal stuff i'm going through that's tough this week but work-wise um feeling pretty inspired pretty validated well we talked about it in the mac episode but you but made the Smart House video and it didn't perform super well, which was to be expected.

But then LeVar Burton saw it and that was cool. Yeah, that's right. And then Steve Blum, the voice of Spike Spiegel from Cowboy Bebop, retweeted my video for some reason. It's the weirdest crossover in history, but that's like some legendary shit that I'm like, how did I get involved? And then I have just been getting a lot of work validation, which is cool, even if it's not in the form of views. I had this like very out of body moment where we had a little meeting, like we have a sad boys meeting on Tuesdays just with Jordan and I, and then a couple of the people who help us do the show. And it was very like, it was a very cool feeling because it was like, oh, it's all my friends and we're making stuff that we like. And we're just like talking about making stuff that we like.

And that was, that was fun. It's like a, it's kind of a dream. It's been like a very logistically focused process for a little while. And I think the mission, at least even independently of sad boys is like, can we just have like a little, little family of creator boys and friends? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can we just bring, get Anastasia, Darren and Tyler to join our family and just make stuff collectively and talk more even outside of just sad boy stuff.

It's also so cool that like everyone's like working on i mean except for tyler who's just like getting married or some shit yeah every or like you know selfish like weddings and stuff and just being yeah a photographer and videographer he's obsessed with marriage dude it's crazy he loves his wife he's a rapper that's true he's gonna put out a pretty underwhelming album about it yeah but great mixtapes oh killer but uh you know darren's like getting featured on like spotify playlists editors choice things and stuff is so sick and then like anastasia's dunktown podcast shout out to dunktown is doing super well and it's just like i'm excited to see my friends thriving and succeeding and i really just want to have an environment where,

you know, our friends can like make stuff and yeah, that's fun. And yeah, just generally, this week has been good. I watched a bunch of, I just want to give a shout out to Brian David Gilbert. I think I'm in love with this man and his content. If you haven't heard of Brian David Gilbert, he is a video producer for Polygon. And he does a streaming variety show. He also does a series called Unraveled, which is my favorite thing ever to exist. I bought three green screens that are showing up tomorrow because I was so inspired by Unraveled. He's also a very sweet boy. Yeah, he seems so nice.

And he always includes good hot takes in his content, which I appreciate. And with just like an insane, he makes really high concept videos. Yeah. Sometimes months of planning in advance. Like he grew a mustache for an entire season of the show and then ended that season

with a video that could only work because he had it. Like one of his videos, he doesn't like know anything about Halo, but then read every Halo novel over the course of a calendar year. And that was a commitment that I, it's just like, dear God, man, you could get this many views doing 1% of the amount of work that you're doing but it's just like i just appreciate the craft so much and when there's a clip of him talking with his like a

little insight into the polygon work culture and how outside of it he has to be like that like they'll play like they play a cyberpunk uh like role cyberpunk 2020 yeah and every now and then he's he's just like uh that's like his involvement and then you get a screenshot of his slack and it's like is everybody ready for the weekly and he's like i just finished this chapter of the halo novel do you guys think waluigi's sexy yeah it's it's great i also love the bits that he does where it's very work culture it's very much for me like slacking his co-workers about things it's very work culture it's very much for me like slacking his co-workers about things it's just like very it like takes me back to patreon if he was writing his bits in asana i'd know like that would be the last thing that i could really fall in love with

yeah i know so this is uh he's also we don't know brian no but dream guest. Yeah, I was going to say, this is a public call out. Brian David Gilbert, we here at Sad Boys formally invite you to guest on the Sad Boys podcast, a comedy podcast about feelings. We're a fan of your work. Jordan's a fan. And we'll take it as a personal affront if you don't. Yeah, we will be personally offended. That's all.

Anyway, best love. I love becoming obsessed with a a creator and just like feeling really inspired i love it when people remind me of like making stuff being fun that's like a great energy to be around now i'm standing uh on my uh standing desk now we're we're standing no sweat you know people surprised that i'm the whatever the last one two three go video we did was some people were surprised that i was tall i'm like you think i'll be this fucking lanky and i don't get that as well what kind of karmic was i was i a like serial killer in my last life that would be such a crazy punishment yeah also i'm not that tall i'm just you know like jordan's taller than i am yeah yeah and stronger and better

and cooler that's true but that doesn't mean you're not strong, better and cool. You're not, but you can imagine how you could be. That's like putting on a pair of AirPods and then picking up a Grammy. And then peeing in said Grammy and putting it in the toilet. Yeah. What are you talking about? I'm talking about Kanye West.

Let's throw it over to our Kanye segment. Why is everybody so Kanye? Kanye to Kanye. Why is everybody so Kanye to Kanye? Why is everybody so Kanye to Kanye? I want to say a few things about Kanye. One, we like Kanye West. We're fans of him. When we joke about Kanye's tweets or Kanye's antics, we're not making light of his bipolar disorder or of any manic episodes we're laughing with kanye when kanye makes a joke we point at said joke and go nice one kanye we don't go look at this crazy man this is certainly not a well i can't be racist i have black friends i myself am a

bipolar lad yeah i think there is a danger in assuming that any kind of eccentric behavior by kanye is just his issues with his mental health kind of rubs him of the ability to be fun or to be fun yeah it's like it's like let's not pretend that everything this man does is an expression of his bipolar disorder like let him be like either reading a book in a tree or he's crazy yeah his two statuses it's like kanye has always been self-aware he's always been goofy it's been it's a consistent element it's been a consistent element of his art the example that i gave to someone today or the other day was like in you know diamonds from sierra leone i believe it's the first one and

not the remix but it could be the remix i i can never remember the verses but he's like uh he's talking about how at the vmas or whatever alicia keys tried to talk some sense in him 30 minutes later seen there's no convincing him what could you ask for the international asshole who complains about what he is owed and throw a tantrum like he is three years old you gotta love it though somebody still speaks from his soul it's like he's calling himself a child he knows he's got antics i just want to separate us from some recent kanye behavior i think his endorsement of donald trump and donald trump's ideology and then shooting for president it's pretty fucking abhorrent yeah but yes so again doesn't rob him of other things yeah this. This is all in the context of our

bit. Keep doing that Kanye, which is a reference to the things that Kanye should continue doing, which is joking lightheartedly and the stuff that he should not be doing, which is running for president. Though his recent antics are, look, he tweeted a hundred times in an hour. So I'm not super up to speed with Kanye's tweets at the current moment. But my understanding is that he's arguing that he wants to create a transparent startup incubator for music, similar to Y Combinator. And he then proceeded to tweet his entire music contract with Universal. Wait, really?

I missed that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He literally tweeted page by page images of his contract i downloaded like the whole thing i know someone else is going to chronicle it but i was like look i'm gonna you might be the hero we need yeah it's just like i just think it's super interesting like he's saying good things because he's talking about how artists are taken advantage of by record companies it's about he's in a position to put that on full display full transparency with relatively little consequence like either universal is going to be

a little lenient because they don't want to lose kanye or he has to pay some fees that he can afford yeah also i do want to backtrack and say that like i by no means am co-signing any of kanye's like legitimately harmful behavior. But please keep doing this over here. But please keep doing this over here. And it's also a complicated situation because, you know, I have a lot of, like I grew up listening to Kanye's music.

I was a big fan of him. I, for a long time, was a Kanye apologist. No longer consider myself a Kanye apologist because I think that like some of his behavior is, you know, you can't sort of explain it away, but I do hope for a future where Kanye is not, where he's shaking things up in a healthy way and not in a way that like genuinely harms people. That's kind of the impetus behind the keep doing that Kanye thing anyway. We have him on one of those, you know, weird kid leashes that some parents

will have if they're walking in like uh dtlx i don't want the kid to wander in the traffic they got one of those little leashes and the kid's like looking at a jack-in-the-box and is intrigued by the colors of walking it's like no come look at this thing yeah it's like come over this toy right come over here kanye put down the beer kanye we've had a year kanye i miss the old version of kanye minus some of the choices that he made relative to that period of time yeah i miss the kanye not the grammy p kanye oh yeah he did yeah he did kind of uh he not kind of he tweeted a video of one of his grammys in the toilet while he was peeing into it. So he's-

With an excellent caption. What did he say? Like it never stops or something like that? It's like, trust me, I'm not going to stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, do you mean, what is this in reference to? Have you very, very hydrated? I think that like, is he gonna keep peeing forever?

It almost was a perfect loop. So like he needed a few like pointers from the vine community uh to turn he also needed to keep moving because he had 999 other tweets he had a lot of other tweets to put out but anyway i don't know kanye is a very complicated figure in our society but while he has the megaphone that he has i think it's interesting to discuss him i think that there are far more problematic people that we could be discussing that think it's interesting to discuss him. I think that there are far more problematic people that we could be discussing that I don't want to discuss. But Kanye, like, I can't help but feel like while he is hardheaded, his heart is in the right place. You know what I

mean? And that's something that like, and it's like, maybe that's my maybe it's like, you know, I'm an apologist for like a problematic relative. A small confirmation bias, because we both love for that to be the case and for like that to be have you watched the uh letterman interview on letterman's netflix show with him i haven't actually that's i've seen that for a rainy day for whatever reason no i know exactly what you mean that was that was when i engaged with it i was feeling a little nostalgic and i sort of my hope was i could deter my pessimism around kanye i could like temper that a little bit

so that maybe, hey, maybe I can even listen to College Dropout again and have the same enthusiasm I had before. Yeah. And well, yeah, that's a big part of it. Late Registration was an essential album to me. That came at a point where I had like such a huge complex about

whether I was allowed to be black. Yeah. You know what I mean? Whether I had maintained my black card because I hadn't got my melanin injections yet. I wasn sure if it counted and you clearly haven't gotten them in a while because you're looking like a ghost man thank you dude i'm afraid dude no no no but yeah i i that that interview is enlightening it's also very insightful as to his self-awareness regarding his mental health i think he's far more aware of it than most are. He makes this great offhanded crack

with like perfect delivery where he just goes. And the media, when you're struggling with that, some people might refer to it as chaotic. Or like he uses like some of the key phrases that tabloid journalism always uses. And there's like a big puff of it's great. Kim's in the audience, I think. It's just like this really, really healthy approach approach it's an environment he's clearly comfortable in and then in the last 15

minutes i mean it's an hour-long interview with ink with which also has like these little interstitials where lederman is like looking at he's at his house and they're going through a shoe collection and like he's like a big kid in some ways it's kind of fun and endearing and i really started i felt for the guy in ways I didn't even know I could, especially from a relatability standpoint. And then they talk about policy just at the end. And it's really, because it comes from a, the problem is, is that he's,

he's co-signing a philosophy that he doesn't know is tricking him. He is not insincere. He's not the historical, classical, leading class of Republican where they barely believe any of the things that they're espousing, but it benefits them on a financial or cultural level or maintains a power structure where they're comfortable. Most of those fuckers don't fucking believe in

or push down a woman's right to choose think of a shit about abortion that means nothing to them they they just yeah yeah they just realize the evangelicals like well that's the thing with abortion it's like they only started caring about abortion when they were losing enough of their base yeah they were losing enough of their their base that like they needed to bring in evangelicals and that's like the biggest evangelical they need the constituency to reinforce the laws that benefit them and kanye engages with those laws and policies in a really sincere way and it's different it's like watching somebody on punked not realize it's a joke even when ashton kutcher comes out. Yeah, I agree with that. And it's still upset.

That part is really, really hard. And it does rob a little bit of the weight from it. Not necessarily because it's like news, but I think the veil that he was looking at it through or the lens he was using, I found super demoralizing. Partially because it hit me as a, God, Kanye truly is in many, many ways when it comes to aesthetics and i don't just mean

visuals i mean like tonal philosophical aesthetics and lyricism and i don't know like academics like it's not necessarily traditional academics but his way of the way he retains information and processes it is very unique the art that he makes as a result is very unique fascinating influential seeing him be sucked in by that ideology designed to trick him and designed to marginalize the community he thinks it's it's empowering yeah is it's kind of like intellectually insulting like i see that and i'm just like like this guy's dumb like this guy's dumb and when i felt excited about it being intelligent and being like oh i aspire to this level of like aesthetic design i'd love to make merch that was that fucking cool and then all of

a sudden it's like i don't know man it's it's like if i like met bill nye and then he was suddenly like you know i'm against all this flat earth stuff and everything but if you had about gamergate and i'd just be like oh damn bill you ruined it you ruined you it's interesting because i was a big fan also like college dropout lee registration i can still listen to them to this day because it kind of like it's it's sort of trapped in time in a way that like doesn't kind of like future things that happened don't count in those albums. But yeah, it's pretty upsetting. I had Yeezys and I sold them

because I didn't want to publicly supporting him. It's such a tricky... It's so hard. I agree that he's troubled in his ways, but I also agree that he is smart. And I also think that... It's like, I just don't know what the answer is only only he does yeah i don't i don't even know like what what there is what there

is to say but but you can say with confidence whether he's super super aware of it and sees that it benefits him or it's giving him exposure or whatever it's amoral it's what he's doing is immoral and i don't uh i don't believe that ignorance is the excuse for it nor is the quality of your mental health i think it can be certainly a reason behind why you're expressing it in the way you're expressing it but it's it's it's fucked up and it's okay for it to be fucked up pretty consistently yeah you don't um you know killer mike right uh yeah part of run the jewels independent artist he is super vocal about his support of gun ownership and his rationale behind it is that and it's like not a crazy one

dude's from atlanta so i imagine you you know some of the culture or relate to it to a degree he does not trust the institution to protect him from cops from home invaders from the broader racist uh georgian community he wants to own a fucking gun he wants to shoot people that make him feel endangered somebody comes into his house he wants to shoot them with a gun and it's like not a crazy argument it's more the like the broader impact of it it's like oh yeah man i but if we can reduce the idea that that person coming into your house has a gun and we can give you like a katana blade instead or something we we reduce school shootings by like 99 so like yeah yeah yeah and it's also like yeah it's like none of these figures are without their issue as well like even killer mike but it's a hard line to toe because you don't want to completely like

write someone off any any person like who didn't deserve it right like you don't want to just like completely dismiss someone it's kind of hard to have a nuanced dialogue about things like like a thing that i noticed like killer mike and kanye doing but kanye more specifically is like engaging earnestly on ideas that are not it's like whether or not he's being tricked, he's engaging earnestly on harmful ideas that should not be given the time of day to be engaged with. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's, I think, that's part of the problem. Like Kanye is a little bit in this boat, but like the black Trump supporters who were like, I haven't experienced racism or

something like that. Like, it's like, you're kind of like people who are like denying, they're kind of playing into other people's narratives that don't actually benefit them. It's probably how a lot of like the black community and how a lot of people like felt about politics and stuff when I was growing up. It's like, everybody kind of says the right thing, but behind your back, like every politician is saying the right thing. But then when you look at the policy, like someone will say to your face that they're doing X, Y, Z. But then in reality, they're contradicting your best interest or they're sort of not acting in your best interest. And you have to do a lot more work to get to the bottom of what's actually going on.

And it can make people very like disillusioned with the system i think there is a stockholm syndrome component there's no bipartisan cooperation you just keep getting marginalized by the same people i imagine it would be very very gratifying in some cases to be like okay fucking i'm on your side then uh subjugate other people of my community but like like there's a small but very vocal contingent of trans youtubers that support like jordan peterson and the intel community or trump's base and i think there is a a comfort most likely in performing to that expectation like there is a comfort in being yo i'm the one black friend of a republican and fucking he loves

me as a result because he needs me i provide a service and i thus feel a little safer because you know i've got al-qaeda's on my side so they're not going to kill me that kind of like sensation and i i don't believe that that works at all i think it benefits them temporarily but as soon as their base is secure and they're in power again they'll give a shit about you yeah yeah it's not an issue for four years i sympathize a lot i i don't think um i've experienced plenty of racism in the area i come currently am now but when i was in the u.s i don't think i was ever at risk because i was proportionally because i was just on the west coast and in tech yeah don't get me wrong there's there's racism in its own way in tech but i never felt like i was in physical danger so it's very

easy for me to lean back and go like don't have any fucking guns dude don't have any fucking guns and don't do this stuff and and you know whatever i understand the instinct yeah it's interesting it's a very hard issue right because i feel like you end up in this like chicken and egg problem because of like the, you know, no one should have guns, but the people that are allowed to have guns and enforce these laws or whatever, enforce order, quote unquote, with guns are not trustworthy. So then like, why would you relinquish your means of defending yourself? If the people who are allowed to bear arms or the people who are, you know, supposed to be enforcing rule of law are bearing arms, but you can't in good faith believe that they have your best interests at heart and could actively harm you because you have lots of evidence to support that. Then like, why would you relinquish your means of your means of

defending yourself like i get i get it it's it's a it's a hard because it's like i am i am not you know pro-gun in any way but i i can see why an individual will have a certain perspective you know what i mean certainly yeah and i'm so so many miles away from growing up with gun culture quite literally like geographically i was far away from that and i there's like a very light one in the countryside where i grew up because there's gun ownership for farmers say and the regulation is pretty light so they don't necessarily have any kind of license or justification for it it's just that there's an abundance of unregistered guns and you know whatever you can have a double barrel shotgun

get off my lane well they don't sound like that bizarrely they don't sound like southern americans yeah get off me land or i'll put i'll put a slug right in your bloody chest mate get off me land i want to throw something to you well wait wait let me let me let me add just a little bit of flavor text to this discussion flavor away so i went to school in atlanta and I met a lot of people from the South. I grew up in the South also. Did you meet more people once you moved? I would say yes, because I lived in kind of a bubble, like a liberal bubble in Gainesville, Florida, because it was like a college town.

There are so many people who I went to college with who were, because I think I've always had my viewpoints more or less, but there were so many people who were pro-gun and pro this and pro that, and also so willing to have all these arguments about it, to take you to task on if you... I know a guy who I would consider a friend who was very conservative politically. It was a big hunting guy and a big gun guy. And we went to college together. From Atlanta? He's from Texas. And he works in tech. He works at a big tech company and has a good job and is very smart. And we have the same education and all this stuff. But from his upbringing, it was very conservative on some of these issues like gun control and stuff. There's always this cognitive dissonance for me because there's nothing wrong with the guy. And I

think that the guy is like a perfectly good dude. To his credit, he is a very open-minded person, right? It's like I went to India with this guy for a wedding. It's like he has friends of various cultures and is always eager to engage in the culture and learn more about people's experiences. And he's never wronged me in any way. But I realized that as I became a little bit more lucid as an adult, more so than when I was like 18, 20 years old, it became harder for me to square other stuff that comes with conservatism in America. It's just this weird thing where I'm just like, I don't think anything that you have done or said is wrong. But because of what you

value and care about, like you're definitely like, don't take my guns, liberals or whatever, or you're posting about silencers and magazines and things like that. And he knows a lot about guns. It's hard for me to understand how you can't put those interests aside because in order to get what you want selfishly, it comes at the oppression and harm of so many people in groups. Because to support the people who support your hobbies, who will support legislation that supports your hobbies, you have to support people who are actively disenfranchising people and who actively want to harm people who don't share the same values as them. And that's where it's like, you know, hold the phone. You know what I mean?

It's like, I can't. I think like the way that I square it in my head and I'm sorry, I'm talking so much, but like- No, please. The way that I square it in my head is like, they probably don't feel the sort of downstream harm that is caused by them supporting the people who like support a lot of the like less harmful ideas that they value yeah that if that makes sense so it's like i can

understand if you're like essentially ignorant to this at a certain point it's hard for me to understand how like you make that logical leap like Like how you support, you know, ideas that you support, knowing that it comes with, you know, supporting that baby coming with all the, you know, like the harm that comes with it. Don't get me wrong. I think there's some value in exploring bipartisanship, but I think bipartisanship,

especially in the US is broken. There is the right, the US right, the more right you go, it's authoritarianism. there's nazism in it it to the degree where it's almost devalued the argument it's like no it's not time for a kumbaya conversation with the third reich it just is beyond forgiveness you know it's it's and it's patronizing to both parties to treat it as though it's anything but atrocious it devalues the actual potential value of debate it's very yeah it's i know i rant on them all the time but like

ben shapiro's entire aesthetic is and same things like paul joseph watts and all those guys debate me debate me like like like school debate it's not actual philosophy or intellect it's just the sport of it change my mind liberals and snowflakes change my mind it's the indulgence and the fun of the conflict and that's not bipartisanship the idea of just arguing with somebody that's not bipartisanship that's indulgence you enjoy doing it if something if that kind of conversation makes you a wreck then it's not actually yeah to inform people and i think there's a blocker for me as with kanye as with the last 15 minutes of that interview there is a blocker in for me to be close to

someone and for me to really want to spend time with them or to think about them too much i have to respect them and while i i certainly had people argue that there's something like this should remove all respect you can respect independent pieces of them if i hear somebody say i am in in so many words i'm willing and able to put clear unacceptable behavior somebody especially if they're willing to admit that there is a massive hazard and not enforcing gun control if that genuinely does result in school shootings i can't respect somebody that can compartmentalize that not just because i think it's horrendous in that case but it also says to me if i was dating somebody like that it would say to me outright this person will probably cheat on me they just will it's very

easy for them to lie to themselves or to indulge in things that they know are wrong this person man this person could be violent because them believing something doesn't mean they put it into practice or they have the yeah the capacity that i genuinely just like cannot even imagine which is to put away something so much more harmful for your own benefit like don't get me wrong i do selfish shit i believe that i'm not very good at recycling right i should probably do that it's relatively little work people will argue the efficacy of it industrial waste is so much more sure but it's it's no work and why not do it however me not doing that i believe doesn't like create a social and emotional standard where i can then say well yeah but i wanted to kill him i was really angry so the guy

i killed it just doesn't matter that the the knock-on effect of being willing and able to compartmentalize fucked up shit removes my ability to respect and if i can't respect someone i just don't really want to get lunch with them yeah like i think one thing that kind of seems like to play into the compartmentalization or the capacity to do that is the very individualistic culture of America. Yeah. You see this with COVID stuff, you know, like when I went to Japan for the first time, I was so surprised to see people wearing masks regularly. And this is in like 2014 or whatever. And I was like, does everybody have like some sort of contagion situation?

Cowards. And then it's like, oh no, these people just have a cold. They want to protect the people around them. With a tiny inconvenience. Yeah, with a tiny inconvenience. And then you sort of fast forward to America experiencing stuff with masks where it's like people are marching through Target proudly professing that they're not going to wear a mask because of whatever they're telling themselves. The only thing that makes sense to me is that the culture of America doesn't, the sort of

Kool-Aid that we're drinking is not very very much about the community and that's what what kills me is like i mean literally it could it's super upsetting because i don't know the solution to that i don't know how to teach empathy to all the people that lack it right now yeah and there's don't get me wrong there's like a pretty cogent argument that hey it's not our job to educate but it kind of fucking is because that or what or what's the alternative other than pushing back against those kind of what i would consider to be fucked up ideologies what what what are we doing what's the strat here is the strat to just take the break is take a step back i believe that that should be the right

thing yeah i don't think it's fair that we have to push back and i say we not as in we've got this platform we've got to save america i mean we as a as a people yeah you and me as a as people of color you and me are as people of what we believe to be politically responsible and politically ethical you and me as people in part that do have a platform you especially you have a very significant platform and i think another thing that creators unfortunately are able to do is compartmentalize the thing that they're saying for self-indulgence into yeah you know i'm just seeing it i'm just saying a thing i'm just it's just a little tiny little bit of transphobia like whatever

but the knock-on effect of 500 000 people watching a video where you dead named somebody even by accident quote accident you could edit that out you could fix that you're clearly not aware of it or care enough to be aware of it yeah is let's say rule of large numbers 0.5 percent of the people watching it consider themselves to be somewhere else on the gender binary now they feel bad now you made a bunch of feel people feel bad and you showcased like what they fuck it at least a portion of those people probably idolize you yeah and you fucked it up for somebody that idolized them that's a scab you know that's an emotional scab that will leave a tiny scar forever yeah all for the i don't

know right to enjoy your joke or script a little more yeah and that's like why it's bittersweet when i get a dm from someone that's like i got a dm today somebody was like hey i'm a trans man like it means a lot that you have your like as a cishet guy it means a lot that you have your pronouns in your bio and i'm like you know you're welcome it's the least i can do but it also sucks that like that that's not a thing that you can just expect because like if we live in a culture where someone by simply living their life and trying to like be true to their own identity is expecting to be oppressed. That sucks, you know?

Yeah. You know, especially being black in this country, there's like a lot of stuff there and just like so many artifacts of the past that, you know, like if someone tells me that systemic racism doesn't exist, I can't not think you're dumb because it's as if you're telling me that the earth is flat. There is so much evidence to the contrary, and yet you're still choosing to believe this because it makes you more comfortable. And you're not listening to the large majority of people who are actively in pain telling you that you're hurting them, sometimes literally saying that they can't breathe. And yet you persist with your oppression because it makes you feel powerful. How weak do you have to be? How intellectually lazy are you? Intellectually and also just like

morally bankrupt and weak do you have to be to like need to feel powerful by oppressing others like that's that's true weakness to me the fact that you can only feel strong if you're doing things that like a toxic culture has told you make you big and strong it's like i always like when people are like like say this shit to me it's like if i want to trigger them or whatever, it's like, dude, guess what? I'm like rich and famous and smart and everyone loves me. And I'm weak by your standards. And you hate yourself and you hate and you don't have people that love you. How bad does it suck to like have joined this team and just fucking dig your feet in on this nonsense? It's just like, I mean, only creates like the the gambling fallacy like

another confirmation bias like well i i'm gonna need some some value out of this situation so maybe if i hate outwardly a little more it'll bring some value in also just real quick disclaimer i'm uh not rich or famous uh i just like that's an exaggeration when i want to put someone down who is uh you know, being toxic. Receipts available. And I don't even say it out loud. I usually just say it in my head. Well, I think part of that is why I don't want to spend the energy.

Because you would still feel bad about that irrationally. Oh, I would still feel bad about that. Because these people are not going to change. Because doing something like that externally to someone isn't who I am, nor do I think it's productive. It's me taking the bait and playing into someone else's game. And it doesn't serve anyone except for my own ego. So why do I need to make myself feel strong by putting someone else down? So that's why I don't actually say that because it's exactly the same playbook that these other people are doing and if i do if i ever like do wade into that playbook

it's not i mean i'm human and it's nothing i'm trying to trying to do but the other thing is i can see the option you know what i mean i can see like the the fork in the road where it's like well you can do the thing that's easy and toxic where you just like sort of like sort of puff up your chest and try to like look strong or scare someone off scare off a a predator or whatever like oh i'm actually big and strong didn't you notice or you can i don't know think for a second and not stoop to that to that level i don't know i don't know man i'm sure that maybe there's there's one or two people in here who have at least at least lightly play in the the what do they call themselves the uh intellectual elite or whatever the the youtube gamergate supporting incel red pill aesthetic kind of good good lord we're we're we're uh ruffling all the feathers yeah yeah yeah uh

well i say this not with a i don't want to fight or debate you i'm not interested in your ideology just as you could be disinterested in my own whatever let's yeah let's do our own thing because i don't believe that you're going to change your opinion so i'm not i'm not seeking it you do you i guess the thing that i find so painful and painful really is the expression because it's it's the sensation of wanting to help someone or at least wanting to present an opportunity to feel less pain and instead see somebody continue to shoot themselves in the foot. But purely because they think that shooting themselves in the foot is going to bring them fulfillment. And the less and less it does that, the more and more they shoot themselves in the foot because they've subscribed to the idea that it's going to make them feel better. I want to reach out ever so briefly, and i've expressed this on the podcast before but i think

i want to say it quite often is if you have a very strict ideology that you've learned from let's just call it academics or uh personalities influences in your your realm of influence go ahead and examine those beliefs especially ones that push back aggressively against what we would call pretty widely held facts a la the shape of the globe or the shape of a mask wear it please put it on your nose or the shape of a gun on your body if you happen to hold or i mean a really common one is is the inherent evil and importance of power structures. Power structures have to exist, and women have a chemical evil within them and must be controlled. If you happen to subscribe to something like that, even a slightly lighter one,

just take a second, step back and go, do the ideas that I subscribe to make me feel better and safer? Is it because I have my own insecurities and these kind of wash away any is that a responsibility that i have yeah what is what is strange because it's not convenient for us to want the earth to be round it's not it's not convenient for us to believe that the planet is fucking on fire that doesn't do anything for me i would love to go to bed and not worry about that i would love to think about the idea of having kids and not imagine how the hell they're going to survive in the smoke-fueled post-war nuclear hellscape that they're most likely going to be in yeah but i am

not allowed to on a moral and academic level ignore it and it's fucking lazy to yeah it's indulgent and lazy to and if you happen to be in a situation having to be an incel quite literally an involuntary celibate and you are seeking love and affection physical affection emotional security yeah of course you're going to sign up to the idea that there's a reason outside of luck and you that it's not happening it's so crazy too yeah it's so crazy that like because it's like i remember like being a kid who was like man nobody likes me yeah and it's like it's like being friend zoned it's just like imagining again that fork in the road where i'm like maybe the reason that people aren't

interested in me romantically is random chance or a misreading of the situation. I could have not thought people were interested in me because I was bad at reading the cues of someone taking interest in me. And so I'm believing a narrative about myself and my own life that isn't true. But then there's the alternative that's like, no, I want the sex now. The reason I can't have it is because women are bad. Yeah. That was a quick solution. It was a sentence and I can feel better about it. But it's like, bro, it's not even that you've done anything wrong necessarily it could just be random chance or it could be that you're misreading shit or it could be that

you have stuff to improve on but then like digging in your feet into the women are bad camp is what will guarantee that you don't get what you want worst case scenario it's like i just don't i just ah how how it's crazy there's definitely a camp of people that will hate you and unconditionally and if you were bullied it's because the bullies were shitty unconditionally but we're over here keep doing this kanye come on over to this side if you're looking for support and feel like you're not being welcomed into a community of people that may have, I mean, we're going to reference romantic interest

because fucking, they call themselves incels. It's really hard to avoid that that's one of the major motivating factors. But people just want to feel cared about. People want to feel loved. If the number one thing you're insecure about that is, come on, okay, that is come on okay buddy come on over come on we i'm so sorry that's happening to you but i don't think it's because

you have a lack of merit or you don't know what's happening i think i'm decently good at reading whether or not people are interested in me now yeah and i think it happened a year ago like i'm so i was i did not have the toolkit but i did not have it because I was just like you. I was genetically predisposed to never understand. I'll never have sex. I don't know what's happening. Nope. You have a whole community right over here.

Maybe you don't live next to them, but you can certainly find them and they don't have to be red pillars. There's plenty of people independent from anime avatar Twitter. Don't default to that as what liberal is come on over listen listen to sad boys five star id interview obviously donate to the show subscribe both on the podcast feed and also the yeah twitch obviously that's what it's all about it's where you get into art the money and awards but like it's not that there's no other path for you the red polenta community is not the only community will make you feel better or safer there are others they might be

a little harder to find i would argue that that community is not making you feel better it's making you feel validated but i don't know that it's making you feel good it seems like if any community that you're around is built around hating something or someone how could that make you feel good unless like i don't know like maybe it does maybe it does but i just i just can't imagine that that's the only option especially because it's like it creates a zero-sum game where one doesn't exist where it's like oh in order for me to me to feel good this these other people have to be bad it's like no we can all actually be like good and valid in our own way and uh nothing's actually holding you back from any of the things that you want except for

circumstance and maybe yourself it's like it's not that serious yeah i mean it's it's actually a teensy weensy bit like whether or not you subscribe to the idea that kanye knows what he's doing for his brand or kanye doesn't like it's kind of in the realm of exactly what we said about kanye which is i get it i get that this is a useful thing for you to describe to in the immediate future but you're cutting yourself off from the influence that you could have built like kanye had the kind of platform where he could have been beloved and pushed i mean hey if you want to push yeah ideology push something you do genuinely care about and fully understand and not been

manipulated into but vulnerable people will jump on this the nearest life raft you can find if uh nazi lifecraft comes along the water and i'm stuck i just went down on the titanic i'm like fucking yeah dude let's go i feel that way about about every community you hate also and i think in in kanye's case a degree of of his mental health certainly in the death of his mother played into fucking and i'm terrified and i'm i'm in this new level of fame and notoriety that is exhausting and i'm i I'm, everything is getting worse. Yeah. Maybe it would be nice to join the gang that's saying that I'm welcome right

now. Like I'm being scrutinized by the other side of the, of the pendulum and they're challenging the things that I've said or the ethics I've taken or like the, the abundant wealth that I have. They don't like that. Well, maybe I'll just,

maybe I'll just go over here then. Cause, cause these guys are saying that they like me because they want me as a platform and they want me to espouse their beliefs to a largely black audience that will listen to what i say i can have that right now i can go on this subreddit and i can feel better right now or i can try at what feels like a gamble to improve myself and find a community somewhere it's like it goes back to like uh internal versus external locus of control where like if you feel like the world is happening to you versus like you have any sort of ability to affect change on your surroundings

or your own life or whatever like if you're if you have a big external locus of control, then like you're like, oh, it's everyone else's doing something to me. Because I see that in my life outside of these like super problematic things too. You know, like I think when I was younger, I played the victim for attention. Like I would be like, oh, woe is me.

Someone pay me attention. But secretly I knew, or like privately I knew that I was like, I think about my self-esteem a lot and where I land on it is I've always thought highly of myself. What was frustrating was that I didn't have the external validation to validate to like give me hard like scientific evidence on hypothesis I'm pretty good and I should love myself yeah no study group no data yeah and that was a thing where it's like there was just like a lot of framing and narrative like there's a lot of framing issues and like how I was looking at stuff and that's like the that's that was the issue and then when I started to fix that everything basically got better but I do also know people who are just like woe is me everything bad is happening and it's like I don't know about

you but like I've talked to people who like when they describe their lives it's like wow that sounds like a extremely long series of unfortunate events that's like probabilistically impossible. Like there's no way that all of that negative has happened to you and not a single lick of positive whatsoever. I think that what may actually be happening is that this is a narrative that you are using to garner sympathy, which is something that i did as a young person as well so it's like i know the playbook i i can see that shit coming

sympathy from yourself as well be sympathy for me but yeah it's kind of a magic jarvis in a way indeed um yeah we haven't had an absence like this since like rant, like slash rant. The second episode after we got back. Some vibes, some feelings to express. We'll end this episode of Sad Boys in a second. But Jordan, you're going to talk about something for like roughly a minute while I solve this Rubik's Cube. Starting now. Hey, people, did you know that you can find Jarvis at Jarvis on a couple of different platforms? One you can't do it on is YouTube, which when you think about it is kind of funny.

Like it's actually kind of insanely embarrassing that you can't. He thinks he's hot shit, but actually he's failed in a kind of embarrassing context. He thinks he'd do a Rubik's Cube. He'd think I'm smart boy. Not smart boy. He no good actually, it turns out. Hey, other people, you can find me at jordan adika a-d-i-k-a why that because it's my middle name and it's and i should say my name in the thing

that i promote i promise i'm not just trying to inconvenience you it really is a name that i have you can also find sad boys now yeah twitter and instagram is just sad boys isn't that crazy you can just do that. You just go to slash sad boys and we'll be right there. We're trying to post a little bit more than we normally can. I solved it. I did the roost. And if you want to be kind and good, be nice and good to your friends. Right now, I imagine that you have an uncharacteristically high number of people struggling in your life and in the world.

And they probably really, really appreciate it if you just said hi. And I hope you're not doing as bad as I imagine you could be dang that was great now i'm gonna imagine doing a rubik's cube while you say something uh jordan's a big smart boy and he's very good and big and smart and the place that you can't find him is nowhere because he's everywhere at jordan adika that's jordan adika j-o-r-d-a-n-a-d-i-k-a it's his middle name twitch especially twitch that's his new passion he's very he's very into it if you're listening to the video version of the podcast we also have an audio version of the podcast it's available anywhere you can find podcasts and uh if you're listening to the audio not on spotify surely jarvis definitely on spotify

because i don't know we get so many people who are like, is your podcast, your podcast isn't on Spotify. And I'm like, is it not? And then I like go, I'm like, no, it's been on Spotify since 2017. Lauren Naz, N-E-Z. They're very active in my Twitch. They're very active in this Twitch. Thank you so much, Lauren.

They suggest that you guys should end Sad Boys by giving each other compliments. I kind of fucking love that. Did they say freestyle compliments or? Somebody said freestyle compliments. Oh, okay. I feel like we're limited in what we can say in a freestyle compliment. All right. I can go.

Go ahead. I am constantly in awe of how quickly you get over drops and your enthusiasm about your career and creativity. You'll hit a little wall as we all do, but then you just kind of tear it past your body and get back into it with no hesitation. Aw, thank you. Jordan, I am consistently impressed with your

sense of style, with your wit, and the ability that you have to like, I don't know, I just think you put yourself together very well, also. Oh, thanks, Ian. I like that a lot. That's very sweet all right we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase the phrase is cuck no just kidding um

we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're sorry. Boom.