Sad Boyz - Ladylike TikTok is Cringe (w/ Chad Chad)

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. Why are you doing that robotic thing? Just like usual. Okay. I'm just a natural looking guy. I haven't been replaced with an android on account of someone accidentally punched me

at Creative Clash, my head fell off. We'll look into that later. Today we're joined by one of our dear friends, Chet Chet. Hi. That's me. Hello. Hello. How you doing?et. Hi. That's me. Hello. Hello.

How you doing? Hi. You move really smoothly. Thank you so much. And naturally. You might be compensating for him being a robot. He's a what? I mean...

Do I have like the verisimilitude of like a real person? If you look to me, you'd be like, that's a guy. Yeah, that's a guy named Jordan. That's what I said

when I came in the room. That's a word I feel like I haven't heard since the SAT. Big favorite. I never took whatever the equivalent of the SATs are. Is it just questions? Is it just questions? Is it just questions?

Yeah. In a way. It's like, how many numbers are there? That is one of the questions. Yeah, that's one of the questions. In the first hundred. How many numbers are there? What's going on, Chet?

Nothing. We're in a hotel after Creator Clash. We are in a hotel after Creator Clash. We're in Tampa, Florida right now. We could dox ourselves. We're at the Floridan Palace Hotel. We're at the Floridan Palace Hotel. So we're in a hotel called not the Floridian.

No. No, that would make sense. That would make sense. The Floridan. And we don would make sense. The Floridan. And we don't know why. We don't know who Dan is. We don't know who Dan is. Or who Flor is.

Or who Florida is. I don't know. It's on Florida Avenue. So my assumption was like, oh, it's like the Florida Palace Hotel. Well, no matter how many times I see it or how many times I hear somebody say it, every time I read the name of this hotel well the like no matter how many times i see it or how many times i hear somebody say it every time i read the name of this hotel my brain adds an eye no matter what where does it add the

eye the floridian floridani do you just call me an idiot yeah what floridian idiot before you idiot don't want to be a floridian oh shit you are by birth, though. How's it feel to be back in the motherland, brother? Oh, man, I hate it. I stepped outside and just immediately started sweating. And I was just like old times, man. That's why I had to get it.

I mean, I had to apologize when Chad Chad came into my hotel room this morning because I had it at 65 degrees. It was just like a wall. Yeah, it was. Because I'm going to be, if there's one thing about me, I'm going to be comfortable. And I think I'm just more comfortable cold than I am warm. And there's just too much warmth in Florida,

so I have to fight it back with whatever I have. You are the yin to my yang as far as temperature goes. I naturally do not generate heat. I would say the most corrosive element of any relationship I've had has been the fact that I'm cold all the time and unpleasant to touch. I was going to say I've had the opposite relationship

in romantic relationships because I'm always hot and women turns out that I date do not like it when it's 65 degrees. No, no. I was going to say that it's like I kind of am on the same page as you. I prefer summertime and warmer months, but at the same time I don't because then it's like inside winter. It's like a new season.

It's a completely different thing. I prefer the winter because – and I've always liked the winter even in Florida. It's like a new season. It's a completely different thing. Because, and I've always liked the winter, even in Florida. It does get cold in Florida. Does it get less muggy? No, it's like always, it's always bad. That's so cool. That's good for you, I imagine. Yeah.

But it is nicer when it's cold. But it's always a thing where I'm just sweating and having to apologize about how cold it is. So it's just like – oh, I was going to say like I'm – you don't complain as much as you probably should. So I appreciate that. I'm just a stoic as hell guy, I guess. Okay, yeah. The verisimilitude of a robot. I'm kind of the verisimilitude of a great dude that's fun to love.

Okay, cool. It's like if you have to say it though, I don't know if it. Okay. Okay. It's fine. Just nobody was saying it, but I could tell everyone wanted to. So yeah,

Creator Clash is over now. It's, we're all flying out tonight. So we just wanted to get, get the pod in. The pod mode. Quick little pod. Quick little,

yeah, that. And you know, we're done. It was really quick. Yeah, it was so quick, I can't even. Speaking of patreon.com sad boys there will be a bonus episode with chad chad right after this but

we're going to do a whole pod right now so don't complain okay you get 90 minutes of free content okay sit down sit back down right now like i wish they didn't talk about the patreon we gotta keep turning the country? We're doing my best. No. No. Immigration. This morning, the cleaning people tried to come, and I had to have a conversation in broken Spanish, which is one of my least favorite things,

because I have the shame of knowing I took five years of Spanish and not being able to carry a very simple conversation. Does this apply to you also? This is one of like three big most American experiences. Yeah. Universally. And no one seems to think it's as crazy as I. If I told you like, yeah, I've been practicing my driving test for seven years yeah

and I just never took it and cut drive like in my in my case it was mostly I mean this applied to a bunch of my classes but I took like I think four semesters of Spanish it was a memorization game exactly and that's why and no it's not and's like you, it's just like vocabulary words. And so it's like you cram study for a couple days before the test or a quiz that you have. You memorize these words for one day and then you like toss it out to make room for. Exactly. For other stuff. For other stuff that you have to cram.

Because the American school system is very easy to game if you just cram. If you just memorize, cram, memorize, and then forget it. Yeah, exactly. That summarizes everything for me. One of the things I like the least about my own experience in school is that I didn't prioritize learning as much as I prioritize getting the grade. So I got very good grades in school. Same. But I didn't learn as much as I prioritize getting the grade. So I got very good grades in school, but I, um, didn't learn as much as I should have. And I think that that is like, it's like, I could say it's a personal failure, but I think that because it's so systemic,

it feels more like how we, how we teach and how we, um, evaluate students. I mean, it's asking so much of a kid to understand the distinction when all the adults around them are rewarding them and incentivizing them to do exactly what you did. Yeah. When the, I mean, it would be like just driving illegally and getting somewhere faster. Everyone's saying, nice, awesome. Right. But then like, it feels bad.

Right. In the future now, it feels like I was doing the wrong thing. Yeah, exactly. It's the path of least resistance. Yeah. In the future now, it feels like I was doing the wrong thing. Yeah, exactly. It's the path of least resistance. But for my Spanish, because I did take it for so long, it comes back whenever I immerse myself. But I just don't use it so regularly. But it is one of those things where if I'm in a Spanish-speaking country, like I was in Spain for a wedding recently, and I was like, okay, I know what's going on here.

You know? Madone. That's your Italian mobster thing that you say. No, no, no, no. It is. I'm a culture travel guy. Bonjour. That's French.

Bonjour. Welcome to Brazil. And you're not, okay. In Germany. Okay, so you're... I've got to have hit one. You're a Frenchman speaking English. Sure. And you're not, okay. In Germany. Okay, so you're... I've got to have hit one. You're a Frenchman speaking English,

welcoming me to France and Germany? France in... Sorry, Brazil and Germany. Brazil, Brazil. Rio de Janeiro in Germany. I'm sure there's like a little Rio in some German town. A little Rio. A petit Rio.

Quick little Rio. Quick little Rio. Oh yeah,eny little Rio. A petite Rio. Quick little Rio. Quick little Rio. Oh yeah, quick little part. You said you also had good grades? You graded? Huh? You got good grades in school? Oh yeah, yeah.

I was... Thank you. But I was also homeschooled, so it's until college. How do you get homeschooled? That would be so funny if you had awful grades. Yeah, you're like,

my mom is kicking my ass right now. My math teacher was so mean, and she was also all the other teachers. She was nice in math, but mean in Spanish. Well, I don't want to assume. What parent was homeschooling you? My mom. Okay. Yeah.

But the thing is, and this is kind of like a, I don't know if this applies to every homeschooling experience. I mean, obviously it doesn't. But there comes a point where unless the parent who's homeschooling you is like a teacher, an actual teacher, like study, there comes a point where they can't really help you as much as they could. Do you have to eventually apply the knowledge in a traditional grading test environment, kind of like getting a, if you don't finish high school, there's like a thing you get. GED. Yeah.

Do you do that at the end? Like what are you sending to college? There are these programs. I'm not like well versed in all of them but there was a great you would have to report like every semester and i think you would also have to report the subjects that you were going to be covering every semester as well and then at the end you would report them it's not a flawless system i wonder what sort of like subjects you can squeeze in there like i got an an A plus in cleaning the bathroom, doing my chores that my mom has me do.

I'm short too. I haven't talked about that for like a year and a half, like two years. You maybe alluded to it, but I don't recall much about it. I was like 13. I just refused to keep going to school. I just hated it. Was it the racism? I was like 13. I just refused to keep going to school. I just hated it. Was it the racism? I was too smart.

It was too easy. It was, well, yeah, it was a mix between being really, really smart and being called the M-word every day. It would have been a mix. That'll do it. And being bad at class and not liking it and hating my uniform. But I went, yeah, I just stopped. I refused to go in for a while.

And then like, yeah, we just iced it. Said, okay, fine. Let's learn the things you're interested in. Because it's also the age portion where there's no, the grades you get at that age in the UK, the equivalent of the tests do not impact anything practical. Right. When you apply for college,

you're not applying based on your lifetime grade performance it's yeah six months before you apply that is like right it's like it can't be at it's like committing a crime as like a minor or whatever and getting into university in the uk is like not for a lot of places there's certainly you know like the ivy league equivalents which are a lot more um judicious and then there's certain uh courses they're a lot more strict but in my case applying for an art school, it's jazz. Like you can just be like – you can just write a convincing enough cover letter and get some recommendations from teachers that really liked you. Yeah.

You just get it. I got into a good college without grades. I just didn't have any grades. I was just – That's such a flex. Yeah. I don't have grades. I don't have grades.

I have style. You're too cool for school. Yeah. Literally. Sorry, never heard of grades. I have grades. I have style. You're too cool for school. Literally. Sorry, never heard of it. I truly rizzed my way out of school. May I attend the school with rizz? Trying to kiss the interviewer on the cheek.

Yeah. Mon ami. Yeah, welcome to. Mon ami. It always comes back to French with you. Welcome to Australia. Nope, still wrong. Les Australia. Why is the accent always French? yeah welcome to it always comes back to French with you yeah welcome to Australia nope still wrong

there's Australia why is the accent always French are you still trying to figure out where France is no this one is at the outback

the outback the outback still in Australia oh my gosh kangaroo okay look out are you like on it

some sort of like wildlife like a safari yeah what the hell they're not lying. He's just telling us what he's seeing. This is crazy.

A whale. There's a whale. Whoa. Wait, now I'm interested. Yeah, I can't believe it. It's a real land whale. Where's the land based whale? A hammerhead shark.

Shark rib loop. Shark rib loop. I'm delirious. Shark rambler. Shark rambler. I'm delirious, by the way. I think I got punched. Oh, yeah. Big punching weekend. Big punching weekend. Lots of punching.

Lots of punching. Career to Clash was super fun. It was super great to see everybody have friends come out and support me. I lost. It's fine. And it was super cool the people's champ the people's champ dude i got a good round in there and then i had a classic asthma attack hell yeah um but it i that's my undoing because i uh got sort of caught by the lights the the

lights camera action of it all my like nerves got the best of me and then i didn't do my game plan which i because i knew i would like run the risk of like activating my exercise induced asthma and that's the thing right is the thing you can't train for is stepping out into the yeah into the workout and aaron had done that before it's true um you know not to take anything away from aaron i think you know he trained really hard for this and he you know deserves it and everything he was fun about it too it's nice that wasn't much well actually i can't think of anybody that had like a really contentious pre-fight no i think it was all pretty everybody was pretty cordial and pretty friendly about everything and uh aaron and i had a lot of good conversations mostly talking about magic the

gathering um before and after the fight uh but would you consider doing it fighting i somebody asked me that the other night and i said that it's i don't think i would mainly because of just the commitment of it and like now because of you doing this i know how much of a time yeah yeah it's just like it's a crazy amount of work and i don't think that i could I don't think I could do that. Yeah. When I said that I wouldn't do it again, and most of it is actually because of the amount of commitment it is. Because there's just so much stuff that I couldn't do as a result of the commitment, and I'm really glad that I did it this once. Do you want to keep training at all?

I know obviously you want to stay in shape. Yeah, I want to stay in shape. I definitely want to like – so one of the issues is that I had a lot of like health stuff. I think I talked about this on the pod before. But like I hurt my back and that prevented me from like running. And so I want to try to actually focus on that and get back to running because it's something I enjoy. And so I have the, what would happen before is if I tried to run and I fucked anything up and tighten my backup, it would mean I couldn't train. So I was in a good cadence where I could like do my PT workouts and stuff and then also be able to

train. But now since I don't have that sort of fight coming up, I can commit some time to like getting back to like cardio because that's, um, obviously something that like is going to be super beneficial just in my life moving forward. But, um, I would consider doing, um, you know, they asked me to do chess boxing last year. Um, but I didn't want to run the risk of an injury and then not being able to do Creator Clash. And I think that was the right decision for me at the time, considering that like there were some people who competed in both events and, you know, had to drop out or what have you. But I – because just boxing has less of a – has less of a training window, it's something I would consider. If it was like a couple of months, then that's like one thing.

I could like plan ahead for something like that. But for Creator Clash, you're kind of like – I got the message about Creator Clash when I was basically on the plane from last Creator Clash. Yeah. And that's how long it's, like, occupied my headspace. So it's been a full year of me thinking about boxing. Yeah. Even before I committed to do it, it was, like, a thing of, like, how is this going to impact X, Y, and Z aspect of my life and stuff.

And so I'm so, like, I was smiling so much, like, after the fight, if you, like, look at me, because me because I was like I'm finally fucking done. Yeah. And I didn't get hurt. You know, it's like I unfortunately like I had to make a call because I knew I wouldn't be able to catch my breath to end the fight. Like, sorry, I like waved it off. I was like, okay, I'm good. And that was because I was like I cannot catch my breath. And so as a result, I will just keep taking headshots while like, I cannot catch my breath.

And so as a result, I will just keep taking headshots while I'm trying to catch my breath. And I like my head. Cool. And I want to protect it. It's one of the best faces you have. Yeah. We like, we like your head too. That's why you're the looks and I'm the brains of the show.

Exactly. The muscle and the like charm. Exactly. Yeah. And we have a great, and I didn't want to mess up the balance that we have. And the face too. Oh. Welcome to Kenya.

There's a tiger? There's a rare land bird. It flies in the sand. There's a penguin. It's a penguin. It's a penguin. It's a penguin. It's a safari penguin. It drives a truck.

It drives a Jeep 4Runner. It's all real drive penguin. It leases it. So anyway. I like this guy. I like this guy. I like this character. It was such a, it was a really positive experience. And I think that, like, I had a rough night on Saturday.

And we're, like, after sort of the lights, the camera, and action of everything. Like, seeing fans. Like, I want to thank everybody who came out. It was so great to meet everybody. It's like, because I haven't had a ton of these like live outings, it was crazy to see people who had made signs for me and people who just like really wanted photos and people like hyperventilating and like really excited to meet me or somebody like taking a photo of me in my merch before the show and they were like i'm gonna try to find you and then i like later saw them that night and like we took a picture

and i was like this is like also sweet you got the whole youtube squad out yeah the whole we got the squad out damn royal rumble it was cool no it was it was cool and i got a chance to like have walk out with all of you guys yeah and that was just like such a special um special experience for me i was like almost in tears like before the fight even started just out of gratitude and really just like appreciation for everyone who was like in my corner like literally and figuratively i think i i even thinking about it gets me welled up i was like in the same way you are i've been so aware of you doing this for such a long time that it's just become like oh it's my boxing friend jarvis yeah what are we doing the show oh that's gonna cut into boxing yeah yeah uh i even when we were about to walk out it was

just like hey yeah you know a little bit of performance doing some stuff. We start walking out. I'm, you know, I'm not getting in the ring. My heart rate's pretty low. I'm feeling fine. And then I sat down and there's something to the,

it's, it's so uncinematic sitting at a low angle. Cause I was literally in your corner. Yeah. Yeah. Sitting at a low angle next to Quick, which is my trainer. And like just my little trainer fighter badge,

just watching it. As soon as it started happening, I cried for like five seconds. Just like one time, I'm just like, oh, fucking hell. Took me a second to be like, no, he's supposed to be getting punched. That's allowed to happen.

I don't need to get in there. I told jarvis that the other night i was like i was almost in tears like i was about to cry it's just very not good or bad it's just like uh i don't know it was like overwhelming yeah i also know how much it means to you and how hard you worked for it yeah yeah it's like um you know uh i like let myself be you know have like my emotions like i let myself feel my emotions on saturday but after that like um or excuse me yeah the fight was on saturday and then after that on sunday it's monday when we were it's monday when we're recording this now um and then yesterday was the day after the fight and you know we just got brunch together with a bunch of friends uh we like all went out last night and just like being surrounded by friends and just sharing in fun times and like

just being able to fully like be present and not be thinking about how it impacts other aspects of my life and stuff was just such a grounding experience and I like tried to text every friend last night that I was like super grateful for them and and it like meant a lot to me that you know you both came out um yeah I was thinking about figuring out like some way that we can do similar group trips at least for a lot of us to meet up independent of yeah yeah party kind of yeah right it's never easy to be like, hey, you are going on vacation. Right, because everyone's like, it's like you need a work excuse.

It's one of those situations where like- You do safari. Oh, the safari. Oh, where were you? Oh my God, I'm from Melbourne. It is the sand bear. It is the bear that buries under the sand. I'm from Beijing.

Can't believe it. You cannot believe it. I'm from Beijing. I can't believe it. I cannot believe it. I'm from Nepal, Japan. My name is Xi Jinping. I am from Yokohama. You do it. I'm good. I'm going to.

You were saying like maybe, or maybe punching. Huh? Maybe next time you go, you punch. You do punching next time. In next year at Creator Clutch? I was saying that?

You were saying you were going to maybe Are you okay? I'm nervous I'm shy, I'm a small being No, I didn't say that What if it was at something smaller scale? What about like a it's only people that have been training for three weeks?

It's the Will Haines rule. I don't know. I would have to think about it. It's definitely more appealing that way than it is like with the whole year and like you're leaving this event. If I were to leave here tonight and then I get a text on the plane, like next year I would just cry the whole way home. But I don't know.

I would have to think about it. It's just like the crowd. Like the walkout last night we were just talking about, that was so stressful. Just like walking behind you. Yeah, for context, I just had like a bunch of friends. I think there was maybe nine people total just like walking behind me. And it was like, what are we doing doing the special like literally nothing just walk out with me i just thought and i was like oh my god that's so stressful yeah yeah um me and i i feel like we

were going insane that was awesome it was like shots of action shots of me and eddie screaming it was like eddie the way eddie tells it um eddie burback friend of the show listen to the eddie episode but um the way eddie tells it he was like, I was just going to – this is my Eddie. He's like, I was just going to keep myself. I was just going to be calm. And then I see Jordan, and he's going crazy. And then I just felt like I had to match his energy. So there's these photos of Jordan like, yeah.

And then Eddie's like, yeah. And then there's a photo that's on my Instagram of Drew he's just like he looks like oh he's concerned he's doing the walking pose of like Sasquatch it was so funny because um Amanda uh took these photos um Amandaanda drew's wife who's a friend of mine a friend of ours as well and she was like um what did she tell me no because we were uh i was sitting next to drew at brunch yesterday uh yesterday and he was like i just didn't know what to do like i was just so confused i was just like so overwhelmed i don't know um and so like i'm glad he was a good sport about me posting that photo because it's so funny it is a great follow-up the duality of man yeah

i love every one of my friends you know like also shout out to uh jakey nicky jakey billy chrissy little teddy um ted shea just sam berry non um sam berry non kind of sounds like knott's Ted, Shay just Sam, Barry, Non Sam, Barry, Non kind of sounds like Knott's Berry Farm Sam, Barry, Non Frogan oh my god, the list goes on it's like one of those things where I don't want to leave anyone out by

holding on to that man, knowing which ones we already said yeah, it's just I just, you know I'm just overwhelmed with gratitude we forgot about it it's fine it's okay oh man that's damn

it's not like I'm sitting in the same room as you or anything oh but you are sitting in the same room he chose not to say oh yeah where are we we're in the room the Floridian Palace Hotel.

No, no. We're in the Floridan. Damn it. Okay. Damn it, actually. Wait, so I want to talk, Chad, about you a bit because I feel. Oh, no. Oh, shit.

I know. This is the part of the podcast where we make you talk about yourself god I feel like I feel like you to a lot of people just popped out

fully formed you know what I mean on the internet I just showed up did you say that yeah they were like there's this new

content creator and they're very funny and they're talking about men with podcasts on the internet or whatever. Yeah. Was it the podcast? Alpha Male Podcast. Was it that? No. I mean, you had videos before then, but I just, I'm just saying, like, what was your

content creator journey? Like, how did you end up in a situation where you're like, I'm going to upload something with my blue hair? With my, oh God, the wig. The wig. That's like the bane of my existence, the blue wig. Yeah, you're like very Scott Pilgrim-pilled. Yeah. Ramona Flowers. Ramona Flowers.

Oh my God. Ramona Flowers. I appreciate that. So first I'll talk about the wig. So the wig was because, so I buzzed my hair off in 2019 or something like that. Oh, why? Was something weird happening in the world? Just in my head.

Oh, just in your head. No, I just, I wanted to do it. There's a, you know, if you talk to, I like, I had talked to a few women and it's like, it's a thing where they're like, you have to do it at once in your life as a that's something that you just have to do you have to shave it all off just to experience it one time if you don't like it it's fine but you have you like you still need to do it i also just want to sort of make a meta contextual note that i was kind of referencing the like britney spears thing because there's this thing in the media where like if a woman like buzzes her hair off at least oh yeah, it's like, what's going on?

Mental breakdown. It's like coded like a mental breakdown. No. And obviously this isn't that. No. And it's just like. It's just an experience. It's just an experience.

Because there's like, there's so much thought that goes into my hair. Like, you know, and it's just a thing that you're you're you constantly have to worry about yeah i mean you're like you're always always thinking just being your friend i know that you're always thinking about your hair yeah in the best way because it's like you've got to be coloring your hair you've got to be like there's a lot of upkeep appointments well yeah there's like i got this color it's like i don't like this color. I'm going to fix it. That's the thing that does happen. It does. I talk about it all the time. I went to the salon and I told them, I showed them the color I want and it's not the color I want.

And then I'm like, Oh no. And then you send me a photo and it's like a gorgeous photo. The hair looks amazing. And then she's like, I'm going to fix it. It's kind of like, and then,

and then the next thing I find out is like, okay, it's better. And I'm like, did you even need to go to the salon? I've been doing my own hair for forever. And then recently I've gotten to a point where I'm like, okay, I don't have as much time. So I've tested out a couple of salons and it hasn't gone great. I think it's just like a transition period from like for so long doing it myself. And it's like I can, you know, I know better than anybody what I want. Of course.

You've set the success parameters, right? Yeah. And so it's just, yeah, it's just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that's. It's like working with editors. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Where it's like you've got a creative vision. A clear idea. And you know so immediately, your taste is so refined, you immediately know, I want this, I don't want that. And the other person doesn't know that. So when you see it, you're like, this isn't it. And so you've got to like find, you're so good at finding that because you know exactly what the image is in your head. Yeah.

But no, it wasn't like a mental – it was just something that you have to try one time where you do it and you're not worried about your hair and it's just a – You – I don't know. You change your hair. You like do stuff. You like – I do. You express yourself with your – Change stuff up.

And it was just something I hadn't done. And it's like, cool. And it's just like another version of that. Yeah. So, so anyway, the wigs, that was the reason I was wearing wigs at the time was because I was growing out my, the buzz cut. Right. And so it was in this really awkward stage of where it's like not a chic, short hairstyle.

It's a, and it's also not a shoulder's also not a shoulder length hairstyle or anything like that. And yeah, I don't know. So that's why I was wearing the wigs. And they weren't good wigs, but they were better than the hair that I had at the time, I feel like. I thought the wigs were cool. Anyway, sorry, what was the question? The question was about how you sort of got to the point

where you were like, I want to make content. I think it was like a collection of things just over probably a period of a year. Building up to it? Building up to it. I think I had always been watching YouTube and consuming YouTube and just like almost like every type, just kind of a fascination kind of thing. Right. Thank you so much.

Yeah. You especially. Yeah. Because I was thinking about uploading in a couple of years from then. Yeah. You were like, I saw this empty channel called Jordan and Vika. Slowly accruing subscribers through osmosis. Maybe I will start my channel so that he one day will come out of his

content drought. Maybe I should make bad stuff in a couple of years. Yeah. But, so, yeah,

it's just been, it's like a back of the mind thing where you're like, I wonder if I could do that. Yeah. That seems kind of cool. I wonder if I could do that. But then,

the pandemic happened and so that was 2020. And then I started working from home. And then something happened toward the end of 2020, where I was working from home for less hours. And what did you used to do for work? So during the pandemic, I was working at this call center for a dental and orthodontist billing company. I think I can say that. Yeah, as long as I don't say. What's the name of them?

Where are they? The address? Okay. It's the Floridian Palace. That's arched. Wait, I should. This is. I'm sorry sorry to do this but i have to talk about the name of the hotel again there is a sandwich shop called the floridian and a few of our friends accidentally ubered there instead of packing their hotel and we're just stuck in a subway shop

and the driver like nandre is telling me this he was like the driver was like i'm gonna hop a ue And we're just stuck in a subway shop. And the driver, like, Nandre was telling me this. He was like, the driver was like, I'm going to hop a Yui. And he was like, why? He was like, the Floridian. And he was like, this is a subway.

Yeah. Okay, no, but you were working at a dental billing center. Yeah, it was like third party billing for dental companies. Was it like chasing down? It wasn't like chasing. It was so we were like taking care of their payment accounts. Right. When I get a bill from my dentist, it's not coming from like the dentist office.

It's coming from like dentobill.com or whatever. Say you go in and you get something and you take a payment plan where you're paying monthly to cover. They would be the ones drafting the payment every month. So they work with them. And I was in the customer service department and so people

it would just, it entailed people calling in and saying my payment didn't go through or like I need to change my card and that's like the extent that was the job and you didn't want to stop doing that because it's fun oh that was great I loved that it was people never took

out their anger on you and misplaced projections and that never happened and nobody was ever mean to me and called me names on the phone. I can only assume that they were more respectful on account of you being a woman as well. They really respected my authority when I told them what was going on, and they believed me when I said it. When I told them the fact that it existed.

You have no personal investment. When I was like like I didn't personally reject your payment and your card is expired they always took my word for it and were like

oh no problem I'll get that fixed yeah that's my own mistake that was on me you accidentally made your name all numbers you were probably wrong when you filled it out

I hate to be that way yeah but that was that was the are there any stories from that period in your life or that job that come to mind? Any shit you want to get out? Any acts you want to grind? Any addresses?

I think that... I'm trying to remember. There were so many. It was just like every day that there was one of those, but it's kind of like now I've suppressed some of it. That's good. I think there's one time somebody was so mad about their payment not going correctly that they tried to find the address of the place,

like the billing place. I remember that one. To what yeah there was just and sometimes you would just get people who are having a really bad day and would say things that would just like scare you and it was yes sometimes it was it was rough oh wow but what if what an insane thing to do because you got a crown. Yeah. You know what I mean? I just got a feeling. I got a feeling done and now I'm going to take out my anger.

I guess I have to threaten someone's life. Well, and then, so I was working there. I started sometime in 2019. 2020, when the pandemic, it got so much worse. Oh, no. Because people were getting laid off and there were all these changes happening and it was it was it got really rough like around that time and it was just like this shift in general and everyone and then was like understandable because everyone was feeling it

yeah but including the people who were like in the customer service department talking to all these other people so it was just like both sides like all that panic and the the the money stuff it got so bad in 2020 to the point where i was like i like every day was just like in tears like like working from home in and um just like every phone call you're just waiting for somebody to start yelling at you and it was just terrible so you get like what a fucking two minute refractory period but between the next no you don't get two minutes that's another thing about so i worked at another call center before that call center and this is something it is so stressful because you are you're on a computer the whole time and you're not allowed to leave your desk except for your breaks or your lunch. And they know what you're doing every second of the day.

So they know when you're on the phone. They know when you hang up the phone. They know how long you're sitting there noting the account. They know how long it takes for you. They know how long you're sitting there noting the account they know how long it takes for you to they know how long you sat in between calls they know how long you were on your break they know you know they know every single second so and um there's like there's there's some things where it's like um you can you can say you're away um which is what you usually use for the bathroom, but it's like five minutes. You were gone for five minutes on Tuesday, and that wasn't your break time. Like, what are you doing? Were you shitting?

Were you taking a massive dump? What was going on? How much? Show us pictures. But yeah, it's just like every second and you're just constantly like, it's like eyes on you coming out of the computer screen. And they can hear everything's recorded too. So they're just like every phone call and everything you do. Right. Yeah.

And for surveillance purposes as well. Yeah. That's how the Patriot Act works. Quality insurance. We're just surveilling Americans for quality insurance. So, yeah, call centers are not. I don't recommend. I will say that the one that I worked at before the billing company was worse.

Really? It was surprisingly worse, yeah. Imagine if hell was really hot. Yeah, yeah. Way hotter. I think I was only there for three months or so. And for reference at the one that I said I was like crying every day, I was there for two years.

So the other one, I was only there for three months. It was, I don't know if you guys have ever had this, where say you go to the hospital for an outpatient kind of procedure. And then maybe you get a phone call asking you about your experience. It was like that. It was that kind of thing. But no, it was also just surveys in general okay like oh calling but it so it was like cold calling out oh like out center calling reaching out to people not them calling in to talk to you not just medical

no not just medical right but anything where you're cold calling. Anything where you're calling someone else and you're asking questions. But there's also multiple choice. You'd have to read

all the choices to them. Strongly agree, agree, disagree, or strongly disagree. You got to like read every, it was insane because it was, some of these companies would not, it's like they couldn't grasp that people do not want to do this. They don't care about these surveys. And so they would, they would send scripts.

Also, there was a book of things that you were allowed to say. You were not allowed to say anything. So like, if I call you, I'm like, hey, how's it going? Written up. You can't say anything that is not in this book. Like if it says-

What are they worried people are going to say? Help, I'm being held hostage by a terrible call center this one's worse than the one i'm gonna do this one's worse yeah it was it was so insane it like somebody would be like oh hi how are you and i'd be like flipping through this book oh no that's how bad it was you just and how high are you sounds like a rare thing that you would get. It was. Yes. It was.

Who the fuck is this? Yeah. Why are you calling me? And I don't blame them. I really don't blame them. They said, fuck off and die. I need to wear in the- I'll just notate the account.

They told me to jump off a bridge. Yeah. It says I say, oh, thank you. Have a nice day. In response to jump off a bridge. Jump off a bridge is the first thing in the pipeline. It's the most common statement. It's an order of frequency.

They're like, oh, F off and die, that's page one. Lie down in the middle of the freeway. Okay, cool. No, a rare insult is on page 17. It says, I hope you get swallowed by a sand shark. A lot of options for this. Huh? What, why? I hope you get run over by a penguin in a four-run.

Penguin in a Jeep Wrangler. I don't. They have that? What accent are you doing, sir? I guess you have to be faux formal as well, right? Oh, well well thank you madam or whatever thank you sire

for giving me your strongly disagree many thanks upon you sir for splitting the harvest I'm ever so grateful fuck off and die I want wanna kill you with an axe Paige

I can't read what does this book say unfortunately I don't know how to read I must follow the parchment I must follow

the scroll I must follow the scroll let me consult the scroll Darby the house I'm afraid I can't speak back to you sir I'm not allowed to respond to that one you get fired by being given a sock oh remember when Hermione was like slavery is bad and JK Rowling

had her characters make fun of her for it still being so annoying. What a dumbo. Hermione, shut up. Like, the woman that you are. What a tryhard. Anyway, do our homework. You anti-slavery dork.

You stupid nerd, dude. Oh, my God. This is civil rights. Oh, my God. Get the hell out of here i am like is there something that you know we can impart on the audience for the well-being of people who are in that job today like how has that affected how you take those calls oh oh yeah yeah you're you're definitely a lot nicer i mean oh like you are like when you receive those when i receive them yeah what uh you can't answer that well actually it's fun my mom so when i was working at the the survey calls the bad one they call it the survey core. It's kind of what a capital type difference. When I was working, I,

I, I was working there and my mom, she, obviously she knew what the job was and I would like come, I was, cause I was still living with my mom at that point. And she, one day she was like,

oh, I got a call today asking me to do a survey. And I did it because I was, I was thinking about you I told them to Jump off a bridge Land safely in the Lovely fluffy bed. Sleep well, sweet dreams.

I'm afraid I'm not allowed to respond to that one. I'm not allowed to sleep. No one's ever said nothing so nice to me. Why is this in the paper? Oh goodness, pon gracious. I'm off to Australia. Going to the outback to be in my Jeep Wrangler I guess just to what you were saying

about imparting wisdom about the current call center employees it's not their fault they also don't like it they also don't want to be doing probably what they're having to do. And it's like the, I guess, compartmentalizing the person you're talking to and the company that you are trying to communicate with are not like the same.

They're not one-on-one. They don't have the same responsibilities. And like in a lot of cases, they're just as clueless as you are when you call in. And they probably have as much information as you do, but like they're going to figure it out as you go. So as long as you understand that at the beginning of the call

and you don't just jump on there and you're like, you need to tell me why this happened because you know, because you work at this place and so obviously you know everything that there is to know about this yeah um that's his that that's the wrong mentality to have when you hop on hop on the phone i feel like any of that kind of uh resilience and endurance it was helpful for the creator kind of kickoff experience. Getting into YouTube was a little easier because you're used to being very tired. Maybe. I've never thought, like, you mean like comments, like getting comments?

Oh, no, just purely like the kind of persistence needed to get that career going, knowing the feeling of being burned out, and actually I guess having a job where you don't have to talk to anyone if you don't want to. Yeah, I think that was definitely a good thing where it was like, I'm going to make these videos and nobody's going to call me and yell at me. That's always a plus. Wait till they do a text-to-speech YouTube support calls. We'd like to read you comments you've recently received on your new video. Hello, Sire. I have been tilling

the field. There is this... Insulting the lands. The Mongols have destroyed my farm. The Dothraki. The Horde. The Dothraki Horde. There is this

thing that I remember vividly at the beginning of YouTube that I don't know if you guys will remember. Where you don't have a following. And so when you post videos, the only people who see it are people who don't give a shit about you. And so every comment is me. It is like a cold call, yeah. It's like they're upset that you got in front of their eyeballs. And they're like, how dare you? Why are you doing that?

Just go sit down. You guys have the experience of like, I don't know why shorts is so consistent with this, but I'd say one in every five YouTube shorts that I get if I'm scrolling through it is a four-view vlog of my day at the aquarium or something. It's like an oddly small scale. Yeah. And I have checked the comments on some of those

because it's being shown. It almost feels like it shouldn't be shown publicly. Yeah. As opposed to for friends. It's accidental, yeah. Then they post, you know, like, here's me playing Batman Arkham Asylum with my brother. Yeah.

And then it's like, hey, shut the fuck up, stupid gaming bitch. It's just like, why would you leave this? This is crazy. There are people like, I remember Hannah Hart, who's like a sort of previous generation of YouTube a little bit. Like when she started, I mean, her, her channel, I was watching a talk with her years ago and she talked about how her channel started because she wanted to share herself cooking with a friend of hers that was not physically like located.

And that that was the best way to do that was to make a video on YouTube. And then it just so happened to be public. Wow. And that was like the first My Drunk Kitchen video. That's insane. Yeah. That's amazing. And like, and so like I can imagine she's like, well, what the hell?

People are, oh my God, there's a bunch of people watching this video. And it was just supposed to be for Lauren. Yeah. It starts out, hi, Lauren. You know, hello, Lauren, no one else. She's re-watching this a lot. Oh my gosh. 140,000 times.

She made a bunch of accounts and just keeps commenting. I thought you were- What mean shit she's saying. Yeah, why would she say that? So we should talk about the fact that you create under a pseudonym. Do we? You're like a Robert, what's the jk rowling one robert kindrell or whatever oh yeah robert e lee robert goldbraith is that it it might that might

be it um kinky shackle bolt robert goldbraith oh i guess she's kind of so i'm just anyway i'm trying to say you're basically the same as her anyway the um she isn't really subscribing to gender norms i guess she's Her name is flexible. That's interesting. Oh, yeah. That's kind of weird. Yeah. Okay.

But you create under a pseudonym. And the reason I bring that up is because you were talking about when you first started YouTube. And the reason that I don't have that experience is because the first videos I posted, I shared with my Facebook friends. Oh. And so the first people watching my video were people I knew in real life. Nobody knew that I was posting videos in my real life. So yeah, that does make sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that makes sense that you were like, you were literally an anonymous person. You're like, uh, you're like when

someone turns up with no identification, that's like you. A John Doe. Yeah. A Jason Bourne. I just floated onto the beach. I don't remember anything. Yeah, exactly. Oh, have you seen these alpha male podcasters? Yeah. Who the hell?

Why do I have this training? I'm able to make fun of these guys, bro. Yeah, yeah. Your voice kind of sounds like somebody who asked me if I strongly agree with my service. I just like every, I give a take and then I'm like strongly agree,

agree, disagree, strongly disagree. Kind of makes me really angry and I don't know why. I just really want to hang up. We're not on the phone,

but I want to hang up on her. I'm going to date. Shut the hell up. Do you, wait, did you even at any point question Mark whether you should use your real name? No.

Just day one? No. I think it's too hard to remember. It's just like, it's a thing in my whole, my whole entire life of just people getting my name wrong, never remembering my name. And so I, and that was in real life life like when you're face to face with people and so I was like on the internet nobody's gonna remember that my channel name if I'd use my real name that's so interesting because I feel like an idiot for using my real name because people ask me if Jarvis Johnson is a stage name and i'm like no that's just the one

i was given was that an option do you need like a guardian's maiden name i would have done something way cooler what would you what would you have done um blaze blade yeah like um killing's worth sicko killingsworth from Hogwarts the murder teacher I teach knife-ery I mean if either of us was in one of those books it would be called you know indenture no servitude yeah I think

what did I say my name would be it would be like half see black and white whatever caramello contrast My name would be, it would be like half-sea black and white. Caramello contrast. Caramello contrast-y. Caramello contrast.

Oh my God. I definitely. I can't believe she called a character Georgia. Every single time I think about that, I'm like, actually impressive that she got away with it. That her and Robert got away with it. Yeah he said, if you've been downloading Hogwarts Legacy he just said the game called me halfsy shackle black. It would be great if there was like a, because I know there was something of a conscious

effort in the development of that game to you know distance itself from some of the wonky ideologies psychopath right here of jk rowling slash robert e lee whatever slash the jinx and they they uh i know one of the things was like uh they included there is a trans character very early in the game it would be fun if whenever you do an actual jk rowling style name if you make like a black character and you include the word shackle or something again goes like you sure No That name's been taken We saved some just in case oh, it's uninstalling. It was a character we cut.

So you're not allowed to use the name. No, no, no. That word is not yours. That word is not yours. 23. It turns on a webcam to look at you. It's like, hold on. It's looking at me and be like.

Yeah. Interesting. Some of the word. and being like... Yeah, interesting. Maybe some of the word. Yeah, maybe it's half of the word. The first or the last half. Oh, my God. What were you saying about race? So, dude.

What did I say? What did you say? Joe Brad is a very good listener. Do you ever feel like a plastic bag? Do people... Drifting through the safari. Safari. When you said the guy at the aquarium or whatever, I was like, he's like, he is a water tiger.

I know. When you said the guy at the aquarium or whatever, I was like, he's like, he is a water tiger. I know. I absolutely consciously thought, I cannot say the zoo. I need to stop talking about desert-based animals and also a whale. So does anybody outside of like family, I guess friends, but like are there many people in your real life who know what you do know not many I mean just it's just like close friends I think that some people recently found out at my old job but that was very recent it was like right before I came here um how did you find out that they found out? They, we had a, or I had a group text with a few of my old coworkers. I haven't talked to them in a really long time.

And then the other day they like just out of the blue messaged me and were like, oh, just like found your, just saw your stuff and like great job. And I was like. Oh, wow. I was like, I have questions. I want to know. Yeah. I want to know where, how that questions. I want to know. I want to know how that happened because it's been two years.

Since you looked at me. Sorry. Sometimes whenever someone says it's been, we just sing the song One Week by Barenaked Ladies. It's been one week since you looked at me. All right, it's fine. This is not a very accessible podcast. I no longer work at a call center.

It's been one week since you called me up. Do you agree, strong agree, disagree, or not? I look at some silly shit. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I like to get a little nasty with it, actually. We were talking about etiquette content. Oh, yeah.

And so for those who don't know, etiquette is like how you be high class. Polite. Polite and high class. And kind of a traditional sense. Very traditional sense. Meal etiquette, putting your forks in the right place like remember black white oh my god remember the etiquette class dude yeah like hey what kind of black kid do that's the opposite of what you normally do

being nice etiquette class going to white people they're gonna make a rap song and the black people are gonna be nice white people are gonna go to seoul poetry right yeah they send in black white the tv show uh the two families swap races yeah yeah and it sounded you standard fare and they have they're like what do black people do they do poetry and they talk about the black struggle so they have them go to like museums and they have them like go to poetry class and shit they're like what to poetry class and shit. They're like, what do white people do? They send the 16 year old to etiquette class, which feels racist.

It is. And he is maybe just, he's just disinterested. Yeah. He's not like, he's not anything you can classify as having like, he's not impolite. But the boys from etiquette class call me inward they're so bad they oh my god dude yeah i mean i guess because of that we could yeah we're kind of emphasizing etiquette is it's arbitrary right yeah it's like it's not like be empathetic or kind or insightful it is just do don't have the wrong vibes. Do the right thing. Be trad.

Yeah. So we've... Trad, trad. I gotta get going. We share the same brains and we talk too much. One of us is gonna have to change. If you're watching this, Chad Chad has a great video on etiquette content that you can go and watch on Chad Chad's channel.

If you haven't heard or seen Chad Chad's content, it is, you are one of my favorite creators on YouTube. Aw, thank you. Yeah, you really are. You really are. Oh, yeah, me as well.

And you can just keep not saying anything. Yeah. I love you. It's his programming. I love your gameplay. There's like sparks coming out of your ears.

There's no gameplay. She doesn't play games. But like playing the game, you know, pick up style. And yeah, I guess while we're here on a compliment corner, which is what we did with Link. Yeah, you're one of my favorite creators on YouTube. You're one of my dearest friends. Fuck you. And I'm so proud of you and your growth and sort of coming into this wacky job that we do.

And you're doing great. And I'm super proud of you and your growth and sort of coming into this wacky job that we do and um you're doing great and i'm super proud of you thanks yeah stop all right it's too nice i am very sincerely a big and big chat enjoyer big big chat mode the nation the chat nation the big chat nation the Chad in Africa. But also, I think we're, I think, newer friends. Sorry, it is me. I am from Chad in Africa. Well, is this a fresh one? It could be. It could be.

Okay, sorry. You're new friends. Is it the Catholic war? I'm so sorry I did this. You just disrupted everything. I know, I just disrupted a very common moment. That's the element about our lives right we go a little back and forth we're crazy i'm random as fuck basically random uh but it's nice

to it's nice to have uh we've known each other a little while but this is we've not spent much time in person and i feel like we are friends now like friendly wendy's friendly wendy's i now declare you friends now declare us friends. The state of Florida exclusively. The state of Tampa. The Florida Boxing Commission has declared that you and I are friends. Liga was no longer with us. It is a tempo. Okay, let's start with elegant ladies who never eat sandwiches like this.

Can we just talk about it before we click? Can we take a guess? You've seen this one. I know. I haven't seen this one, but I know exactly what the format is. Okay. So you, okay,

so we'll just try to do a cold read here. Yeah. And then you can, you can tell us how we, how we match up. I'll rate. Yeah. Okay.

So the funny joke is that never eat sandwiches like this and it's like a meatball sub and that's like, no lady can eat that. But I think she's going to talk about specifically how you go into the sandwich. Maybe do you not get the whole thing in your hand? Do you maybe chop it up into more –

Oh, yeah, you use like a fork and knife. Into politer single-bite slices, or she deconstructs it like a psychopath. Oh, dear. Torturing a bug. Also, why does that pretzel feel like it? I was going to talk about the pretzel because it's like not a regular pretzel, but it's not a jumbo pretzel.

Right, what's the deal? So it's like, what's the point? Yeah, it's like a, it looks like an individually wrapped regular pretzel. And there's so much sandwich. That's like the, that's like a mama bear. It's like the middle one. Yeah, it's a very strange pretzel.

All right. Why'd she have to word it like that? Okay, so the first version for the audio listeners is, shove the whole thing in. Which, if you'll notice, she's not even shoving the whole thing. It's just a normal bite. She's even being elegant in the whole thing it's just a normal bite she's even she's even being elegant she's even being elegant

in the way she describes the bad way she's like don't shove the whole thing in like this takes a normal just does what people do with a little finger raise

look at that come on their finger's even raised no no no play with their food no you can't take the yeah okay

you can't take the bacon off of your sandwich especially if you're a vegetarian yeah do vegetarian yeah that's unladylike don't mess with the structure of the sandwich in any way that that includes making the sandwich itself so you're not allowed to make sandwiches don't even think about it I like a little finger wiggle oh I have seen this one pile food inside

so it's like if you if you have a barbecue sandwich and coleslaw on the side you're not supposed to it does you're not supposed to like put the coleslaw on top as you're supposed to it does but you're not supposed to like put the coleslaw

on top as you're supposed to is that like if there was common I tend to just bite I feel like people

do that yeah but what about sandwiches where you're expressly supposed to dip the sandwich yeah like a sauce yeah

you have to leave you have to get out as quickly as wait what about like a we just went to Waffle House. I'm putting syrup on my waffles. I'm not supposed to put stuff. Stop piling food on top.

Stop putting food on top of your food. Nope. By that logic, sandwiches should not be allowed. Don't salt your things. Sandwiches by definition are food on top of food. Oh, here's what you do. She does use a knife. by definition are food on top of food. Eating bread. Oh, here's what you do.

Okay, here's the correct answer. She does use a knife. Hold on. No, she's going to pick it up after she cuts it. Cut a small... Dude, the fact that she threw the word graciously in here makes my skin crawl. I'm reading this comment. Cut a small piece off and graciously bite.

See? She cut because she did not graciously bite. See? She cut because she did not graciously cut. Look how bad that cut is. That is a very non-gracious cut. She whiffed. Dude, needs a steak knife. Yeah, she literally, she tried to cut it with a butter knife, and it's clearly a strong piece of bread.

Yeah, she's trying to cut through, like, a loaf of sourdough. It's huge. Oh, she didn't even eat the whole bite that she cut off. Right. Because that would be unladylike.

You have to eat very slowly. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. It's like the way to be ladylike is to like take five hours

to eat your sub from Jersey mice. Don't open it and look at the ingredient. Don't move it around. Leave the coleslaw on the plate. Do not eat that today. Yeah, I feel like this, like I don't understand why and look at the ingredients don't move it around leave the coleslaw on the plate do not eat that today yeah i feel like this like i don't understand why the elegant lady

tips her for like the sandwich shack or whatever wherever she got the sandwich the pudding coleslaw that i can't believe she could have wrapped this up with don't eat the coleslaw by itself do put it on there and i would have read that as much etiquette-y. I would have been like, oh, it's just like a process. What is it all? It's all just arbitrary. Yeah. And the video ended with it like, it all ends up in the toilet.

Yeah. And then it just like, oh, it goes. Remember that. So that's one of the things that I encountered is you're not allowed to say toilet in these. Oh, do you say washroom or restroom no you don't say it at all if you need to go to the this is like in the intro of my video but if you need to use the bathroom the only acceptable way to announce that is to say excuse me one moment and you're not allowed to like say restroom you're not allowed to say restroom or bathroom or wash.

You're not allowed to, they're like, you don't need to say what you're doing. That's what an assassin does. Before they open the toilet. Okay, literally, yes. That's what, that was my stance on it.

But one lady was like, because you're not a child. That's what she said. You don't need to announce what you're doing because you're not a child. Not everybody poofs, actually. You have to be mysterious. Only children poof. Only children poof.

Everybody grows out of that. Only children poof. Oh, my God. I stopped doing that in eighth grade. Gross. It's disgusting. Only children give information about what they're about to do. Excuse me.

I would be so worried. Excuse me. Excuse me one moment. Where did Jordan go? And then it's like JFK. Driving through. It's just a laser pointer. Bouncing around.

And then he's like back. He's like taking off gloves. Where did you go I come back and my fingerprints have been removed like owie owie

it stinks I'm holding a suitcase the sandwich is hot why do you have four passports you can pass me one of my passports oh yeah

this one's for Australia are these typically by the same set of people, or is there a lot of different creators doing this? I only saw, like, four main ones, I think, and then everybody else was just, like, in between all the other ones. Well, not everybody can be elegant. Not everyone.

It's not for everybody. Not everyone has the time. You get hungry. Have you harnessed the powers from watching these um yeah oh i did at the end of my video i uh i did i didn't have to watch the video so you gotta watch the hair sandwich apart i i ravaged a sandwich i'm going to the toilet and then throw it in the toilet one piece at a. Coleslaw in your mouth. You spit coleslaw onto the sandwich.

Into the toilet. Like a mama bird. Royalty free metal playing in the background. Instead of like Kevin McCloud number one. Don't announce your coin. Oh. See. Simply excuse yourself. That't announce your coin. Oh! Oh, see? Simply excuse yourself.

That sounds elegant as fuck. The laugh. Oh, that was the whole thing. Hated it. That was the whole thing. So... Come on. Give us more.

She looks like Mrs. Incredible. Basic lady etiquette tips. She's actually... She's actually pretty cool. I actually really like her a lot. Okay, when does this apply? Like very often. When you're getting on a city scooter etiquette.

Or like you're in Italy or something. Yeah, yeah. When you're in Italy on your. Her name is Sofia Marabella. How would you describe this one to an audio-based listener? There is a man in what looks like swimming trunks sitting on a motorcycle, and she's in the process of mounting the scooter behind him. In a very cavalier way. Yes, she's very,

I think she's meant to be doing the wrong version of how to get onto this bike. She's getting onto it like a cowpoke. She's got to levitate onto it like Peach. She has to use an umbrella and then float down. Right, just float. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The true part of it is to upbeat. Yeah.

Past legend. It's like you've got to do a float cancel onto the city scooter. Sorry, that's a Super Smash Brothers reference. Oh, I've never heard of that. Ew. Joke, joke, joke, joke. What is she? What the?

What? Oh, no. Oh, that's really odd. That's just shamey. There's no way. Okay, I's really odd. That's just shamey. There's no way. Okay, I didn't see this one. This is so pointed. Yeah, this is so pointed.

This reminds me of that account that's like people of Walmart or something like that. Oh, yeah, you're right. It does have that. Just this, like, taken discreetly behind somebody. We say it cut to a photo of two innocent bystanders just riding a motorbike. And I don't know. It is because her lower back is visible. Yeah.

These are strangers. Or better yet, these are just, maybe they just found it online. It's really low res. Yeah. It's a really low res photo. And then she goes, uh-uh-uh. It's really low res. Yeah. Weirdly low res photo. And then she goes, uh-uh-uh. No, no, no. Don't live your life your way.

She goes, I would never. I would never do such a thing. I would never. Couldn't be me. What's this one? So we got a boy. So this is gentleman etiquette. Oh, this is for the boys.

This is one for the boys. Okay. For the sad boys. Only a little bit of representation, huh? Yeah, finally. These damn broads giving us a little time on the boys. This is one for the boys. Okay. For the sad boys. Only a little bit of representation, huh? Yeah, finally. These damn broads giving us a little time on the mic. Ladies aren't the only ones who get to be elegant. We have good manners when dining with your date.

Hashtag good manners, dating manners. Relationship tips. Dating tips. You got it, dude. When walking your date to your seats, never sit across from her from the table. Don't let each of you just casually walk to your table either. When walking to your table, lead her to where she's going to sit and then casually sit next to her. I want to chaotically sit next to her.

Yeah. Look at me. I'm crazy. I feel like that I feel like it's respectful to sit across from your date I don't think I would

it's easier it's easier also to have a conversation on your neck unless specified it's like hey can you sit next to me you know

I would rather sit beside you or something like if it's communicated yeah if it's communicated but I think that this is like, that way it's easier to make moves on her

because you don't have to reach across. Because now you can do one of these. You can put your hand on her thigh and you can do X, Y, and Z. What else do you ever do? You can establish kino, one of the essential stages in the game pickup strategy. That's a real thing.

You demonstrate value. That's another one. And I can't remember the others because I only heard this on a podcast. Cut a hole in a box. Step two, put your junk in that box. In good manners, let her open the box. Always be a gentleman and pour her drink

before pouring your own. Save her first. What the fuck? I think I said serve. Serve. Save her first. What's in that water? Attach your oxygen mask before assisting others. Save her first. What's in that water? Attach your oxygen mask before assisting her.

Save her first. Yeah, it's fizzing. Get in the way. When you excuse yourself to go kill someone, save her first. ...napkin on the table, make sure you unravel it, and put it on her lap. No. Yeah, that's insane. You lost me there.

This is so much like setting her up like it's like place her like a real doll sit her down place a cloth up she can't do anything for herself make sure to pick up the food by hand and shove it into a silly cut her sandwich into tiny pieces like one of those dolls you have to feed with a bottle it disappears yeah this is etiquette to learn how to take care of a kid. Do this for her before doing your own napkin. Always put food on her plate before putting any food on yours.

She's not a child. Okay, I'm sorry. Putting food on it? Why isn't it coming on plates? Why is the food coming in serving? Take the truffle fries and put them onto your date's plate. She's reaching to grab her wrist. Yeah.

No, the rules. Those are not good. Those wrists, those hands of yours aren't good here. No. Throw her hands away. Hey, stop it. Hey, quit it. I love you.

Stop it. I love you. No, this is so infantilizing. It is. Especially the napkin. Just like reaching. Because it's very close to like not close but like dressing someone yeah like putting a jacket on a kid or like putting a jacket on someone helping someone

tie their shoes exactly yeah it's like what my mom would do for me when i was a baby yeah can i ask the for the the for a little consensus here you go to a casual bar like this date or just hanging with people you get food full restaurant you're putting a napkin on your lap no she's crazy to me yeah i need my napkin for my damn face yeah if you're using it on your face i feel like it's just like easier to have that's the more needed area yeah i don't think that you usually get a like a cloth napkin at a restaurant like this it's like an outside yeah it's like a bed just at a bodega yeah this is like a cloth napkin at a restaurant like this. As like an outsider. Yeah. It's like a bed just

in a bodega. Yeah, this is like a Dave and Buster's. Yeah, he's in a boogaloo bed. Can we go back and watch her reaction as he's putting the napkin?

Because I know she's part of this, but I just. I do like the part where, you know, he looks into the camera right before he puts the cloth on her.

Julie, sit next to her. Always be a gentleman. Why is the mix on the ding? Also, the buzzer is so abrupt. Yeah. It legitimately hurt. Yeah, the first one made me flinch. Chimes in my ears.

And pour her drink before pouring your own. If there's a napkin on the table, make sure you unravel it. He's like, this is a napkin. He goes, listen, I'm going to tuck you in now. Yeah, 99. Bedtime. And put it on her lap for her. Do this for her.

Is she amazed? Look at her face. What do you think I am? Some kind of kid? She looks confused and annoyed. What is she supposed to do? Because she didn't say anything. But are you supposed to thank him for putting the...

No, she doesn't say anything. Is it rude to say thank you? She shouldn't do that. Elegant ladies don't do that. She's still learning to talk. No nothing. Always put food on her plate before putting any. What food are they eating?

That is. What is that? Plantain chips? They look like big chips. You don't have to put that. It's nachos. It looks like the type of thing that you would not handle with a knife and fork, but I don't know what it is. He's having to use them like chopsticks.

I'm going to catch them. I truly can't tell what that is. I don't know what it is. Here's the thing. Here's what's obvious. They picked a terrible food to demonstrate

this to. Yeah. Serve her first. One big chip. Madam. Yeah, he's got the loaded nachos. He's trying to like

break out the like jalapenos and all the shredded cheese that's melted. Please don't put any of the ingredients on the nacho. That is against the rules. Oh, don't put food on food. Don't pile food on food. Don't put food on food. When your date tells you what she wants.

This is my favorite part. So he serves her and then he goes. And for me, a single chip. That's all I'll have. Take the initiative and order for her. Wait, wait, wait. I think it. Did he say when she.

He said that when she tells you what she wants, tell the waiter. When your date tells you what she wants, take the initiative and order for her. Oh. The phrasing is, the emphasis is weird. So, I think he just means, it does sound very, very weird, but I think he means, like, if you're conversing, you're talking about it, and she's like, oh, I think I'm going to get this. And then the waiter is, like, closer to you, and you're already talking.

You just go ahead and do it. But I don't want to give him that much understanding. I do like the idea that you're like, I'll have the burger. Oh, she'll have the burger. She'll have the burger. She was going to say like bourbon. She just wanted a whiskey.

She's like, oh, bourbon. Also the bourbon. The bourbon as well. The burger and the bourbon. I'll take the bourbon. And then for the meal, I think I'll have the lasagna. She'll have the lasagna. She'll have the lasagna flipped. She have the lasagna. She'll have the lasagna

flipped. She'll have it upside down, no sauce. It's like Elon Musk trying to get credit for doing things that already exist. No, the lasagna, but it's in the shape of a doge. How about a tweet, but it's longer?

But it's annoying. You have to click and see the rest of it i want that well you were saying you're like a big elon supporter oh i did say that i was just talking about that yeah in detail elaborate please yeah so i've already have so it was like 30 minutes you shouldn't stop talking about it i will will do it. You kept pointing at the doge and being like, do you guys remember from the meme, guys? The coin. Just kidding. It was a joke.

I wonder what the ratio is between, because I almost feel like generally, and you'll be the authority on this, etiquette, I think, is quite gender coded. That's quite kind of like yeah yeah like catholic girls yeah etiquette whereas i don't know chivalry or something is like the trap mask equivalent yeah it's interesting to call putting a i wouldn't think of doing things for other people's eating situation as etiquette. Because isn't it what you do, you know, like which forks you use or whatever? Yeah. So like which forks you get for someone else.

It's like if he was the one taking the knife and the fork and doing a small, cutting a small piece of the sandwich and then placing it graciously in her mouth. Graciously stuffing it all at once or whatever. Yeah, I want to see that. How to call a waiter elegantly. Call a waiter. Okay, you're not allowed to do. Okay, don't snap.

That's just mean. That's just rude. Okay, so the first example was her she come here How is that ever gonna be a fake you yeah, I haven't done that so long it might think What the other bad ones are the other bad this one, this one, and then this one. Oh. Marron. Or maybe this. Oh, what about, wait, no, not that.

That's a threat. Just raising a fist. You're just like. Yeah. What about this? Me hungry. Like rubbing your tummy. Like a salmon.

Bagging your knife and fork on the table. Oh, there it is. Oh, there it is. Waving, getting angry. Don't do that. What? So you have to raise your hand like a frat dude in class. With two fingers?

What is that? You gotta shoot the sky. Like a race. Isn't like a frat dude in class. With two fingers? What is that? You've got to shoot the sky. Like a race. Isn't like a race a starting? Isn't putting up two fingers the wrong way what gets Michael Fassbender killed in Inglourious Basterds? Yes. Is that what she's doing?

Two? That is so funny. I like the combination of, it feels like a, it feels like it's a code for something. Like she puts this up and then she nods. And you know. Two. You know. It's like it's a code for something. Like she puts this up and then she nods. And you know. Two.

You know. It's like, yeah, that'll work because it's basically the same as one of the things you said not to do, which is raising your hand. Well, the last one, that is essentially the same thing that she's doing here. The last one she did. It was just, she was holding up all her fingers. Yeah, exactly. And she just like did it. She like shook it around.

Yeah. Not that one. No, not that one. There. That's just being shy. That's. She's like, yeah, she's like, you're, you're not owning it enough. You've got to be like.

You must salute. Garcon. I'll take the egg. A single egg and loaded nachos. Shelled. Have you guys seen that? I'll have an omelet. Shelled.

Have you guys seen the TikTok trend where you show how you ask for the check at the restaurant? With Riz or Etika? With, no, I don't know how to explain this to you it's just like people they're not actually asking for the check but they like they a very

dramatic version and show how they would ask for the check and it's like who does it best is it it's like a performance yeah it's comedy

that's funny because there could be a comedic avenue for this but they're all so damn sincere did you find any like funny like silly etiquette like That's funny. That's funny. Because there could be a comedic avenue for this, but they're all so damn sincere. Did you find any, like, funny, like, silly etiquette? Like, eat your fork. That would be funny, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I, yeah. There's. That's fucking funny. So this one seems to be taking place at a movie theater. This is from Sofia, our Italian queen. Oh, she's back. This is cinema etiquette. Cinema etiquette.

Avoid. Part one. Why does this got to be sped up? Avoid going through your... And don't... Okay. Oh. Okay.

Face them? Wait, what does it say? Did it say especially ladies? What did it say? so there's a woman again just for the audio listeners there is a woman shuffling as we all have to especially past other theater movie watches but shuffling facing the screen and be like just being i don't know grabbable what is what's point? I don't understand. It's rude to face away from them.

Then you have to look at your back. Yeah. The correct way is to make eye contact with everyone as you walk by. I'm so sorry. I'm so incredibly sorry. Hold the hand while you do it. It's also just not a place that I feel like you need to be that prim and proper. It's like a grungy movie theater.

There's like a bunch of them where, like I told you, they don't like yoga pants. And it's just like a – there's even one where it's like don't wear yoga pants in your own home. Or don't eat food while you watch TV. Because it's like a lifestyle, like a constant thing. It's not something that turns off when you're like it's not that's the difference is like etiquette classes are for dining or like right for special events but then these are just like you need to be doing this for the rest of your life forever and no breaks that's just this is just what you do everywhere. What an exhausting way to live.

Yeah, literally. Yeah, when you were telling me about not being able to wear sweatpants and eat food at home. Yeah, it was just like ladies don't wear sweatpants when you're at home and don't. Oh, it's also ladies don't slouch when you're at home, like on the couch. So you need to keep your back straight and maintain your posture. Outfacing the world. Yes.

Yeah, you do a green line test. Okay, well, this used to be me. Oh, yeah. You've seen this one. I've seen similar. This used to be me. I was at my worst. Being- Hang on. Interesting. I've seen similar this used to be me. I was at my worst being

Hang on This used to be me. I Hopped out of I had an accident. I know That was like also the fakest looking accident ever. That's a very HD CCTV camera used to be me I was at my worst like it was just like, she just... This is like bad jumping form. Why was she hopping out of the place? I was at my worst. I was at my worst.

I was at my worst. I was at my worst. I was at my worst going back and forth and hopping out of the place. I was at my worst. I was like doing hurdles. That was awful. When you get so slow, you just can't help but run track.

Yeah, who took the photo of her in front of the toilet? And then put, yeah. Black and white. Black and white. I don't know. Or is this security footage of the bathroom? Healthy and not looking after myself. Why does that look like a cut from like, that looks like something from a fucking reality show.

Yeah. After myself. Honestly. It does look like a reality show. Yeah. After myself. Honestly. It does look like a reality show. I was really unhappy. That looks. This must be one. Is this someone from a reality show?

Dude, look at this. I think that is a reality TV shot. Oh. I decided to change. Today, I'm living my best life. Oh. I cleaned up my house. I would never jump again.

Oh. You recognize her? This is the woman I was telling you about who has the channel. She has a channel that isn't – the entire thing is about how to catch – get a high-class man. Oh, how to be a lady so you can catch a man. We're going to meet high-value men. Seven signs he's a low value man get out

yeah ten things that tell your old money get out what to gift a high value man what to gift a millionaire

what do you give a millionaire that's a question I just that's a problem I have all the time what an interesting like recoding

of a very you know kind of pretty classic twelve rules for life alpha sigma channel yeah but like wait I recognize her as well of a very, you know, kind of pretty classic 12 rules for life. Alpha Sigma channel. But like, wait, I recognize her as well. I sent, you might recognize this because three years ago I sent this to like you and Elizabeth.

And I was like, should we talk about this? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Big time throwback. You look effortlessly expensive. Oh, dude, the Jordan Peterson video comes up. Yeah, of course. Have you ever felt obliged, not necessarily for like the exact etiquette rules described because these are deranged,

but have you ever felt an obligation to be more ladylike? Yeah, I do make a couple comments about that in my video where it's – this is – I don't know if you've heard people complain about this before. But when – like even when you're a kid, how you sit is a big thing of like getting – Jordan, take a few notes. I move the way I'm sitting a lot and people like to put time stamps. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I just mean like in a ladylike fashion. So it's like you need to like if you sit with your legs just slightly like this, it's like.

Oh, I see. You have to be kind of demure and chased. Yeah. And it's just like a really accepted criticism, I think, of young girls. And I've, like, that's one of the things that I mentioned I've had experience with, where it's like, stop. You're doing that bad.

You know? You're objectively wrong. And you're just like sitting. Also, like this, with one leg up, kind of up here on a chair. That's not ladylike. I didn't know. What a physically uncomfortable way of living. Yeah.

Like this is just like the only acceptable way is just legs out in front of you, closed. And it's like any variation from that is bad. It does seem like a point system almost where it's like oh you can do it you'll just be 15 less sorry you just won't be doing you well enough yeah b you're just not you're not being as good as everyone else you've missed you're actually bad low grade do you feel cleansed of that a little bit now though yeah I yes definitely I mean there's other examples just like talking loudly is and I think that I have a personal theory that that causes a lot of anxiety in in people just like when um growing up a girl you it's harder to make jokes I feel like and be the funny one I think it's harder because you have to like draw more attention to yourself and that's something that is at least

in my experience was like looked down on or like not encouraged where it's like you're just like the side like you need to like tone it down or like that's not or it's like you're behaving in a way that's drawing too much attention and you need to you know or just like saying something and then you get to the point where you start to say those things quietly and then that's when a dude says the same thing beside you loudly and like the whole room just like breaks out in laughter so I think that you're a ghostwriter yeah yeah I think that it's the two kind of go hand in hand um how did you like overcome some of those pressures especially if you had people in your life that were telling you to like

pipe down? I, I don't know. I think I became more just reserved in those kind of circles. So you adjusted like locally, like in that situation, but you were like, I'm going to keep being myself outside of this. Eventually. I mean, obviously, it's not as easy as just deciding on that. But I think it's better now, definitely. And YouTube has helped with that. When you say something and people laugh and you're like, oh. Cool. Oh, OK.

So I'm not just stupid. That's not a stupid thing. Sometimes I say things that aren't stupid. Right. I definitely know what you mean. Because it's weird to have people think you're funny. You try. You want to make people laugh.

But then when it actually happens, it's like, oh. So I'm not. OK, cool. That's weird. Yeah, OK, all right. It is interesting only getting that feedback over text, though, a lot of the time. Yeah. It is interesting only getting that feedback over text, though, a lot of the time. I don't necessarily think X video is bad or Y joke didn't land. But sometimes it is.

Well, no, I don't think I'm that funny. I don't think it's. I wouldn't laugh out loud watching my video. No. Right. But also. I do laugh out loud watching your videos, though, sometimes. So, no, but the text thing is – sorry to interrupt you.

But the text thing is so interesting because it takes a lot for someone to leave a text comment. But in real life, like there are so many people who will enjoy your stuff silently and just it brings so much value to their life and it like makes them laugh and blah blah blah but they don't feel like they need to say it to you because they don't know you and it's a it's weird to leave a comment and but that's like the most normal like the people who leave comments we appreciate you when they're positive but it's the the less usual it's the less trodden path it's the path less taken rather than like casually consuming

which is what I do most of the time were you at any point or amongst certain groups the funny one or the charismatic one

or anything in that I don't think so I don't think so ever no no one's ever liked me I'm kidding I'm kidding

let's get into that yeah no one likes me. They say I smell bad. My breath. That's true, but were you funny though? You're cracking people up. I don't really remember that. I had too many things working against me.

I was homeschooled. To a new audience? Yeah. I'm just talking to my mom. My mom told me I was homeschooled. To a new audience. Yeah. I'm just like talking to my mom. My mom told me I was funny. Oh, wait. That's awesome. That's cute.

No, that's not a joke. That's awesome. You were the class clown? I was the class clown, yeah. Not to brag, but. No, I feel like that type of validation is cool. Like I've never had any of that sort of validation from any sort of parental. I don't know.

She was. Is she funny? Yes. My mom is very, I feel like she could have been an actress. She's very, it just comes very naturally to her. One time I had her help me with a sketch and I needed her to play somebody who was yelling at me and acting like she didn't know me. And she just like, first take was immediately,

I didn't need to do anything else, just immediately was like yelling. And I was like, okay. And I was scared. Too good. Okay, all right. I still live here. Just I'm going to come back. No, I'm not really the person.

We're doing acting. Well, I think this is a great place to end this episode of sad boys but we are going to continue with another full hour of bonus content on patreon.com slash sad boys where I want to watch where to meet high

value men I want to learn more about this lady and I want to get your opinion because I've been meaning to show you this person for a long time. Patreon.com slash sad boys. Thank you so much Chad Chef for joining us. Thank you for having me. Is there anything you want to tell the people?

Go watch my video on the etiquette stuff. That should be posted by now. Hell yeah. And if it's not not it's not my fault if not get in contact yes reach out

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