Sad Boyz - Logan Paul vs Science

Episode Date: November 29, 2025

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. Do you ever get that thing where your eyes get locked into nothing? You end up with a thousand yards stab for no reason at all. Like if you're a little drowsy and I'm looking at the Home Depot logo on that box over there. Hell yeah. Something about it, I think it's like the way the tape is catching the light or something.

It caught my eye and there was a war inside my mind knowing that the podcast was starting right now. But I can't stop looking at it. The Home Depot. Howdoers get more done. It's just like thousands of people had to approve that. Like millions upon millions of hundreds of millions of dollars went into marketing. Okay, not that much. Trillions of dollars went into building America so they could make that company.

Okay, I guess that's one way of looking at it. But with that, you could say that about anything. I mean, God spent trillions of dollars building the earth three thousand years ago. God spent trillions of dollars. Like, it's a real estate project. Creationism revealed. Back then, it probably wasn't that much. Yeah, that's true.

A couple of blooms or whatever. You know that Home Depot song that goes really hard? What? Yeah. The one that's in all of the ads. It's really good. I don't even know if we can play it. Someone sing it.

Let's play it, but we can't play it on the podcast because we'll get copyright claimed, but listen to it. Just dub me over it. And we'll just watch your reaction. Yeah, how is this? when do they have time to play this song is joe rogan podcast about to start was you getting a text this is a remix okay that was it did go unexpectedly hard but the beginning of the beginning of that felt like when do they have time to wind this up is there every single time really every single commercial guy at the time and it would be a guy let's be honest okay shop for the boys but is there

like somebody walking around being like hey this new sale on plywood is going great and that's in the background. It's not that the ad ends and then the entire thing plays. It's usually like showing someone working on a project and it's like starting and then like they go to Home Depot

and they're like talking to the employee. You know, it's just a compilation of people building things and going to Home Depot and then it like... How do is get more done. How doers get more done? What's up dude? What's cracking?

Nothing's cracking. Well, my voice is cracking. I noticed something over the weekend that I think like I'm losing my voice but not fully like I just can't like sing or like make my voice

higher without it cracking like that sounds cool you sound like a little boy singing at Christmas you know like yeah I'm like is there a voice doctor that I can go to to fix me yeah yes I need that

and throat well and you could also get a voice coach okay to teach you to be yourself get in there and sing like you never sang before okay that was pretty bad actually yeah that was I give up on you all right team on three uh do you feel sickly no and so that's like why it's weird because I only noticed it in the concept of wanting to sing sing my little song have you been having a very active chatting weekend I think I've been filming a lot I think that might be it. I've just been talking so much. You know, gossip infection? I do have an

affection for gossip. John Ham, like, over the course of Madman, you hear his voice get more and more scratchy. It's like he hits puberty. And then after Madman ended, he had to get a surgery to remove polyps in his throat. It's too mad. So I do think it is worth going to an ear, nose and throat doctor. Yeah. Think of a world where you do TV for too long and you're throat gets fucked up. I'm used to go into an ear. I went to, I went to, uh, otolaryngologist. Is it hard G?

That would make sense. Odelarinegologist. Anyway, that's the, that's the real name for the uranosum. We, we call them E&Ts because it's hard as shit to say that word. Oh, because they're wasting our time with these long, just call yourself Ed, doctor, foot doctor, yeah, back doctor. Yeah. And then, um, you know, something if you're pretension, you can do the full name.

But anyway, I grew up going to those doctors a lot because I had mega allergies. It was mega allergy one inside of my throat and ears and nose. It was a judge dread of getting sick. And I did get deviated septum surgery. So it's like I have been, but I haven't been about my throat since, you know, they took out my tonsil. They stole my tonsils a few decades ago. Do you feel like your voice changed after the septum surgery? No, not at all.

Yeah. Um, which is good Maybe the practice is more locked in I do have a little obstruction I find myself Maybe this is TMI I found myself picking my nose more After the deviated septum surgery

I'm A nose-picking truther I think people Are lying in virtue signaling If you're not working on that Then you've got a dirty nose Wash your hand, you use a piece of tissue But the idea that everyone's like

No, just blow it What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't You fart to clean your butt in the toilet What are we talking about? I blow a big fart And that's how I get everything. How I clear everything out.

It sounds cool. You sound raspy. How are you doing? I'm in a good way. Yeah. Yeah, I know you are. I know you are. Tell us why.

I don't know. You don't know? He doesn't know. Why don't I show you gets out driving license ideas as though it had arrived yet, but I didn't pass the test two days ago until I only have the boring paper one. Two days ago, you got your license. Yeah, the paper one is boring. It's really dull.

And it's big. And no one accepts it, by the way. Yeah, what is it even for? If you try and get into a bar with that, they're like, no, get the fuck out of it. I mean, that would be deranged. Get it to a bar. There's no reason. There's no reason to have that paper one because.

To get a car. No, but it does not work. I'm telling you, if you get pulled over by a car. If you get pulled over, they don't accept it. They'll be like, you need to show up with your actual license. If you get pulled over, yeah, good luck catching me. I'm Tokyo drifting. See ya.

You also just watch Tokyo Adrift, which is the other reason you're in a good mood. I watched Tokyo Adrift to celebrate. I rented it on Apple TV in advance to either celebrate my success or learn how to do better next time. Right. But it is an educational film. I wanted to actually kind of talk to you about it because it relates to something we end up talking about quite a bit on the show and in person, which is like, I am glad to have the license finally. Just from logistical purposes. You, by the way, let me call your ass out right.

I remember in your darkest moment, I remember you might have even said it on the show. You said, at this point, I don't know if all ever came my license. That's certainly me. I'm very proud of you. And I want you to, I want you to reflect on being able to do things that felt hard. Not even, not that the desk is hard, but it's more about the executive function element of it. The executive function, but also they're like, I was very, I've always been very embarrassed about not having license. Yeah.

Not in a way that I think it's, it's a little like, you know, you said someone, you're like, oh, it's all good. It's like getting braces because you don't like your teeth. People are like, I think it looks fine. Right, but it's locked in, you know. That is what everyone said when I was getting braces. It's, they look like that's fine. The way you are.

Okay. Just some smart. She's a fucking handsome. One direction. And they're like, hey, I was going to bring it up to you in part specifically because being the executive function, large part of it. But also like putting some effort in

and succeeding in a side. request, like a non-essential thing that is happening, I think in, like, for some people, it might feel like, you know, like, hey, clean the house or something. You don't have to clean a house. And so some people are like, that's not optimal. That's not like a way to spend your time or whatever. I feel like when there is no literal, like, you need to get this done or the world burns down, like, this is your job.

It needs to get done. There's like a little bit less catharsis to it because you were kind of like. like instructed to do it, just by life. Like, got to go to work because it is your job. Right. Right. The fact that it was something that I did not technically have to do, and at a very recent point in time for the last few years, just, it always represented like, well, why would

I get a license? I'm just going to have to leave the country. Like, why would I get a couch? We've talked about that before. I said, down. Well, no, no, no, because I mean, like, when I said, why do I get a couch, it's like, because if we go way, way back, you know, the ephemorality of your stay and the stage or at least the feeling of that would it would permeate into every decision why would i

decorate why would i decorate i would i get a new x y whatever and that another thing we did we we painted a big old accent or we put up a bunch of art it's it's like a that feeling being having nothing to do with what has to be done almost feels like it's more special i 100% agree it like it's it was my quest i 100 because it's like a thing that's a thing that that you have done for yourself because it's going to improve your quality of life in a bunch of different ways. And a reminder that you can do that. It's a reminder, one, that you can do things.

Two, that you can find things difficult for various reasons and still overcome that difficulty. And I think that there's a catharsis and, like, an achievement in that. And I do think that you should be proud of yourself. And I'm proud of you. Thanks, dude. This will be, I don't know if I'm allowed to do this on a classy license. I'm going to be getting a helicopter. You parked like a Ford F. 650 outside.

Yeah, well, I got two, one for each foot. Which apparently against the law, again, good luck catching me, pig. It was like double lifted. It was like, it's as tall as the fucking house. Yeah, and I tell you what I have no control over what that motherfucker does. You drive from the roof, right? You're doing like teen wolf style. Yeah, I was going to say, it's kind of like when you fight a mech boss.

And you know, there's like a little weak point at the top. I remember you, if you shoot me in the head, the car does stop. drug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a big glowing head. Right. Yeah, it was, I don't know, momentum always just feels nice a little bit. Plus, the end of the year just, I don't know, it stresses me out in the same way like a birthday does. Does that make sense? Oh, for sure. There's too much, like, kind of an obligation to look at it. Things change. I don't know. Get to my mind's eye a little bit. Also just the passage of time. I'm like not doing good with the passage of time lately. Like, just like existentially. Yeah, kind of like like uh i think that things like this help you feel like you're in the driver

seat no pun intended of your life hey dude that's insensitive i don't have a wait wait wait hold on you back the cyber truck into the check the door yeah it's bulletproof the doors break immediately i bought this before Elon went crazy all the windows on the cyber truck the cyber truck that has a production date of like yesterday ignore that yeah ignore that oh car if really leave a comment by the way, if you think this bit is worth it, but I'm, I think I'm going to get a custom license play that is a random string of numbers and letters. That's so funny to be. And I, the joke is that no one will ever believe that I did it. Yeah, I do think it's funny. I also think that you should get a Prius and get a bumper sticker that says, I bought this before Elon

went crazy. By a PS5, I got this before. I don't know crazy. I just put it on everything. Just a double trick. Yeah, I mean, existential timing life. Oh, just like, sometimes I, like, I've always hated getting older ever since I was like 19. Younger. Which is younger than I am now. I remember when I was 19. Oh, because 20 was coming out?

No, because Mark Zuckerberg founded Facebook when he was 19. And I was like, damn, I didn't found Facebook this year. So I'm kind of a failure. What was I thinking? Yeah. And he didn't do anything afterwards really successful. Yeah. Thankfully, he never became cool.

So at least I have that. That's true. He didn't. The, um, but no, it's, it's just like the, as I'm getting older, finding the year pass so quickly, going like, ugh, I don't like this. Why does it feel like time is passing? Yeah, it feels like we have fewer months. Like, did we do September this year? Yeah.

Unfortunately, it did occur. Well, we, I think we started skipping after school, went away. Yeah. Like, dude, the anxiety of September is a month still kind of, like, I always associate my bedtime when I'm a child still with like, oh, fuck, a. 30's coming up. Oh man, nine's coming up. I'm currently 12 or something. I still sometimes have that. I texted anesthesia the other day because we needed to film and I'm like, there's no reason for me to feel this way, but I feel so much anxiety when I have to like really get something done the next day. Like, because I'm like, what if I am in a bad mood? Like I'm like, what if I'm in a

bad mood? What if I don't have energy? What if, you know, and everything has never not, you know, worked out, but it is this thing of working now in an industry where I have to execute in a way that is less objective. Like, yeah, oh, yeah. You know what I mean?

Whether you don't know what the deliverable is till it's done. It's a more subjective execution, which is what it'll be called when I'm killed. That's just your opinion. Yeah, that's more like a subjective. Subjective execution. Judge, I didn't fucking

But yeah, no, sometimes I'm like, okay, well, I have to film this video, but what if I'm, like, not good at it? What if, like, it's bad that I do it. And then I... But there is a limit on... It's a little like if you worked in an office, like, if you had, like, we were still working together at Patreon, and our quarterly goal was, like, send some emails. And, like, about what? Send a good email. Really?

And it's got to work. Oh, it's got to be a good one. And if it doesn't go well, I guess next time do it better, question mark? Yeah. Performing too is like a certain Yeah Being in a Do you feel like if you are

Is it that like When you are feeling lower Your ability to do it is less Or that you're burning fuel Inefficiently to do it Like you're after burning fuel Inefficiently Because it's like

If I'm feeling lower Then it's like the The self-critique gremlins Are like More in Bloom I see yeah You can make it You just lose more

You lose some lives. You have to, like, reload a checkpoint. Oh, absolutely. Like, for example, I needed to film two videos, and I still need to film one, but I filmed one, and I was, like, as tired as if I had filmed two, you know? I see you didn't have the stam. And it's like, it just, because it felt like it was draining my meter faster, you know? I think maybe that's, that is just the phenotype that we had get or whatever.

Because, like, I know. We know plenty of people who will make a video to energize themselves. extreme to get going and that is just that's that's that's the cheek sweet I can't access I feel like I've got I've got such a I live such a privileged life in so many ways so it feels very silly to complain or say anything but I think that I do in some ways feel like I'm going against the grain of like how my body and brain are wired to like have the type of job that I have because I was so good at my job before and you like objectives and you like and it was so easy to slot in I'm like I think I'm a much better team player than I am like individual creator like working for myself I feel much

worse at it than I was like working in a in a group and it's mostly just because of like where the energy comes from like it like I still feel capable and stuff like that but I could like work a full day and still like go out after whereas like yeah yeah at the end of my day I'm like I want to get in bed. And that's a, you know, champagne problem. I think maybe in the flip side, I am thankful that we, I don't, I don't think. I think if I don't post specifically, like if there's a spot of not posting something, outside of it being work that I'm not doing and like the tough consciousness of like,

oh no, but there's like something I need to the life. A lot of the people I know who can just like keep that after burner going, make a video, they feel good about it oh i better do another one they feel good about it gives them more energy they do develop severe stress and anxiety when they aren't going the shark dies when it isn't swimming kind of thing and that maybe it's like being younger maybe like a lot of people i know that feel that way started really young like 17 they start doing projects and the like and i've just kind of done that since the thing that i feel like changed in the last couple of years maybe is the guilt around doing what i want like for my own benefit like i don't go to like clubs anymore right i'm for

what i don't i don't yeah i haven't seen you at the spot i get i get like too much everyone knows the spot that i go to club yeah you go into um um oh yeah pinkies pinkies pinkies nights Pinky's Knights Dude That's the Patreon exclusive You check it out I feel like at one point in my life I was going to like

clubs because I was self-conscious about not being part of like what my age group was doing Like in college I was going to clubs And really I probably would have I'd just go to a pub or a bar Or something like that Yeah

Now I feel so confident About what I don't like Like don't like Not what I might not have the energy for But whatever Just actively like I don't like going to constant

but not because I don't like music and not because I don't like hang out with people. I'm very physically anxious. Yep. And I am very long. And so I don't feel comfortable dancing. I feel too seen. And I am always worried I'm blocking someone or bumping into them.

That's real. To the extent where it like overtakes, that is the expense. It's not even the expense of the ticket. But I totally get why it's appealing. And when I'm young, when I was younger, I feel like I either had to have a moral victory on it.

like concerts are actually bad and that's why I don't like them and if you do you're dumb or live I'd be like actually I fucking love that should say I freaking catch me in the pit dude catch me in the pit swinging my long arms around not being scared catch me at the barricade catch me at pinkies nights gets me in pinkies nights live and you feel like you're more confident with that uh yeah I would say I agree this episode of sad boys is sponsored by GLD buying men's jewelry used to be a nightmare it was either cheap stuff that broke after a week or something that costs you an arm and a leg. Something that leaks that

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from gLD.com. Thanks again to GLD for sponsoring this. episode now back to the episode i think that there's a certain amount of comfort that i feel like i i want to make sure i'm still introducing discomfort into my life so that i grow because i don't want to kind of calcify as like this is just i've always resented people who are like this is just who i am and and and so i sorry just my opinion right i'm a little abrasive and people don't want to hang out with me people hate that i'm a truth teller i'm kind of just telling it like it is.

Really, I'm rude and don't not consider people's feelings. Really, I just can't stop cheating on people. Yeah. That's who I am. But I'm, for example, I'm going to a concert this weekend and I'm like, uh, nervous about my back. I think that's going to be the one thing.

It's like, because I, I, I tend to get some, like, lower back pain if I'm sitting or standing for too long. Jacob just flashed some, um, uh, bear. Bayer, back in body aspirin. Also, Jacob is fucked up right now We should point out Jacob got like He essentially hit by the ground

Christmas bit back You got injured the same way That Santa dies in the Santa Claus I literally was about to say the exact same thing You flopped How you fell off a roof We're not kidding No no not off the roof

Off like the side of the house Just the side of the house There's like a brick wall Jacob is such a So Jacob is such a, I don't know if this is type A, but it's some type. But Jacob rolls up in a boot going, I overnighted this on Amazon. And I'm like, of course you did. Because Anastasia, basically, that's like, that's the next level.

Anastasia was like, did you already go to urgent care? And it's like, nah. Prime. Overnight. Yeah. Yeah, but you had to spend the $25 on like paper towels or something to get the overnight. no literally uh yeah jacob how's it explain yourself i was putting up christmas lights and i was standing on this little brick pillar um that in hindsight is probably very old um and one of the bricks

uh fell off and so i fell down and hurt my foot you have a a big old booty i have a big old boot to keep my foot still then i got myself some crutches uh so i'm i'm mobilized You look really cool. Thank you. You're wearing a great sweater. Thanks. It was very low key because Jacob was like, I might need a little help setting up tomorrow.

We're like, wait, what's up? It's like an oracle in Batman. It's like you're in the chair, but you're still doing all, you know, beep-diboo-dib, look out, Robin. Yeah, it's like what's red and blue and scene all over? What the hell is that riddle? Black and blue and red all over? Red all over.

It's a newspaper. Black and white. Black and white. And red all over. My opinions are black and blue. I print them on construction paper. I want to do a little segment before this. This is the equivalent of like going through my camera roll

because I just have all these things that I want to. Okay, no, this is the equivalent of when you're scrolling and you send your things to your friends that they don't look at or read or watch. And so I'm going to force everybody to watch the stuff that I am sending them as you, the audience. Any segment name ideas? Yeah, I was like either call.

it like what were the things I said I said camera roll and then the other one was dump the dump the it's the group chat the group that's good Jacob the group that's such a good segment name even at low HP Jacob's drop and bang us yeah can we get an audio sting and then words text on screen that says the group chat the group chat can I do my uh my my slight notification I used to do a good and I can't because my voice is broken but and also is a thing no one knows anymore

because the slack called noise or call ringtone they're like do do do do do do do do do I used to do that well but obviously my voice is broken anyway let's look at these accent is that this thing for the segment that would be good I don't even know this one oh wait I do know this one yes I do it's from the dump than this not exactly so this one is more like a lotion well you're british well i'm south korea and i just have his accent oh so damn yeah i'm a good t-shirt growing up okay right so this one is a butter yeah so it's going to be solid yeah

does the same thing yeah it comes down to your preference really i'm gonna have to hide you for like a ad you guys is this what that boy sounds like Me, me, like, talking about getting my drugs. Well, you know, it's, like, pretty good to get that. I was going to ask you, so this guy, he's from South Korea, but he had a British English teacher. He's got the kind of private school lilt. Yeah, and so I was going to ask what your opinion on his accent was. It's a very, it is very much boarding school core.

So either, which is like the, I feel like a lot of international British verbiage is. In the same way that, like, for some reason, in a lot of the Netherlands, it's, like, American accent version. They're like, see, correct me if I'm wrong, don't. I wouldn't read it. But there's, like, a very specific kid that goes to a school where you have to wear a tie specifically. And you get in trouble if you don't. That is something that you resented. That's the start, yeah.

I think it's called received pronunciation, right? You get, um, it's the Queens, supposedly, but it has like a whole extra. a little bit of salt-based spice on it. I was going to say, when Jordan and I were in Dublin, we met a few people who, like, their second language was English, but they learned it with an Irish accent. And that was very, that was very interesting. Yeah, that's cool.

Which makes sense, because you would fit in. Yeah. It seems. You wouldn't learn it with an American accent, then people would be weird to you. It's interesting to have it in, because I assume every single transaction he has to have this conversation. Has to and smile on his face later in this video. He says he also wears du rags and I do have a lot of questions about that

But we don't have time we have to get to the next. I had a in Germany I'm pretty sure you choose British or American English when you're learning it in school I had a friend named Jan who sounded so American it was weird And he and he snuck us on to a military base. We might be getting to one of the other videos I said A German one? Oh, okay, I'm slightly better. Oh, this one's just cute. Here are you trying to find the best chicken in Liverpool.

Get selfies with the public. Coffee's with the public and I just wanted to get on with you guys because you're just sick. Yeah. Do you know what the best chicken and can of Coke is in the area? Chicken? And can't cook. Why do you want chicken and kind of Coke? When you go and have a nice Chinese meal?

Do you reckon? Yeah. What do you reckon I guess? Tell you what? Mr. Chili is up there. Mr. Chili's up there. I've just been there. You got a chicken goodie?

Okay, I'll give it. Super. I'll give it a gun. I shall give it a go. I just thought it was really funny that we caught an old British guy in the wild saying have a Chinese meal. I'm delectable Chinese meal so you know your judo world. I gotta say, there's a, that exact type of guy is in small doses, the most charming person

on earth, Northern fella who's like, or a fellow from Yorkshire, who you nipped out pub you meet him and he everything he's saying fucking lands he's charming as hell he's got a funny little posture five pints in walks a perfect straight line and every line is one slip away from the most racist thing you're you are walking a tightrope where every now and then he'll say you know like well that david cameron bell in yeah well the stuff he's doing in this country and you're like yeah he's just There's a bad prime minister. I don't like him very much. And he's like, and you know what he's done?

He's letting the immigrants in. All right, then. Okay, dokey. We've, I get a path I wasn't really expecting. He's like, you know, the Polish. Right. Okay. That wasn't really what I'm the Syrians.

Okay, dokey, or back on the, but if you get him in a small dose? There's one that I guess I didn't send that is that I need to show. So it can me just one moment. This video is like spiritually Jordan. This is like what this video we're about to watch is something that I feel like could have been Jordan if he didn't in an alternate universe. I got to say, it's always nice to have like a quarterly review with like spooky or Sam or something. Sam will text me, but we won't talk for like two months and they'll text me a link to a TikTok, very aware of the knowledge that I would never do.

TikTok. China And I It is always a really good read on what I would like And it's never a very flattering read It is always like wow I found the dumbest bullshit I've seen in months I know who would enjoy this I wonder I wonder how you'll feel about this one

This is more just yeah you'll see what you'll perhaps see what I mean My cousin met me in Pakistan after 21 years And he can't get over the way I sound In 21 years. In 21 years. You man when we were kids. He died about be thinking, this guy's never left Pakistan. Bro, his accent sounds like he's from flipping New York.

The Bronx, yeah, Italian Mafia, yeah. Give me a little line. How you doing, baby? How you doing? That's gonna be my fucking catchphrase. Oh, this rocks. He's been gassing me up with this whole time. Say that again.

Are you doing? Say another way. How you doing? Say another way. How you doing? It's almost like a party trick now. It's almost like a party trick now. It is a party trick.

Hey, hey, do the thing, do the thing. How you doing? The only person I met in the whole of Pakistan that speaks like this. You know, playing it up a little bit too much. You haven't even met a lot of people. Who knows? There might be people out there better than me. My point is, I haven't met.

I haven't met anyone. I haven't met anyone like me, so limited edition, I guess. I don't know. Why do you sound like this? Well, basically, I watched one episode of The Sopranos. Yes, sir. I work in customer service. I call for people life insurance agents.

And we call mainly people in New Jersey. So this was something I supplemented. supplemented by watching the Sopranos the accent because it really helps and it did favor me well but the only problem is that I can't get rid of it now it's like so cool I after you a little bit of life insurance bell maybe you could insure yourself by kicking up a Vig to the family there's something very pure about being like oh yeah I've got to talk to these people in Jersey I will relate to them by sounding like this and then next thing you know your Tony Sopranon dude that's the life you know You're a mate man before you know it.

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Like, everyone seems to be on guard that someone's doing a fake accent or playing something on. On God, bro. And I'm like, what is, where is this from? Like, for the one in 50 times, you actually meet someone and like, it's, uh, to marry your friend in school she went for a two week vacation in England she comes back speaking like Bridget Jones and you're like okay that's the little cringe and you're like doing whatever I understand why people talk about that but we why are we so concerned with like the clarity of like why some certain people say certain things like I I sound different now than I used to

it's because people don't know what I'm saying if yeah it's like there's this weird like um purity testing belongingness thing that happens. Even talking white, I guess. Yeah, where it's like, oh, you're not one of us, or you sound like, oh, you spent too much time in America, you sound like one of them, blah, blah, blah. The truth of the matter is we all code switch. Some people do it to a higher degree. That's what I'm saying.

Then other. I'm always walking here. People are asking me about it. No matter, anytime you meet somebody that's like, no, a very friend, you always coach to a talent. I gotta keep him on their toes Could we Could we talk about Timothy Shalmi

In this accent conversation? Yeah So, okay I have You don't We do like your segues in a stage I thought that was actually It was really

No, that was really good That was really good And it just I was worried that you didn't feel empowered to do a segue To Timothy Honestly 6 out of 10 Whoa

We can't show what you did Let me tell you I did a type of salute We won't tell you which You said you had a German friend You go to a military Oh my God It was an American military salute

It was normal I'm a fan of Timothy Shalami I want to preface this conversation with this I think he's really good at acting I think he's a good guy I had that dream that one time That he was my son And I made ramen for him

Because he got beat up at school And that was how you cheered him up Was ramen? Yeah, he was he. I knew you had a, by the way, just to clarify, I knew you had a dream that he was your son. I didn't know that you made him ramen because he got beat up at school. Yeah, Jacob knows. I text Jacob this every day.

Yeah, that's an oddly grounded dream. It was, it was such a vivid dream. It was like one of those dreams were like, oh, I was out. I was probably was on cold medicine or something. You're having a vision. He came home from school crying and was beat up, like. Oh, my God, he was white and black and red all over. Not a, like, teen, I guess.

But so, so, and I'm like, oh, my poor boy, let me sit down, let me make you some ramen. What if you went, you went Greek mode? Yeah. You activated your Greek mode. And ever since then, I feel very maternal towards him. I want him to succeed. I want him to be happy. But.

Mother, I'll never be Bob Dylan. I just couldn't. I believe in you. Speaking of accents, because you just did his accent. But he occasionally switches into maybe kind of a black accent. So what I will say, though, is he's from New York, right? Yes. But a wealthy New York family.

We've got a lot of full good money. But I knew, I remember he was like, at least around black people young. And he did do raps. We know that. The thing is, it's tricky. It's tricky because, like, I knew white people growing up that, because I grew up in, like, you know, a poor neighborhood. Say the address. Okay.

And I knew white people who spoke with more of a black scent than me. And it's totally just like, what you're around? Their community that they grew up in. So it's like, and I only talk like this because I got the training from the television. They checked in. I just, I was just imitating Power Rangers and Jimmy. Neutron. We should have shown you the Sopranos. Yeah. I'm funny what that be, man.

So, uh, I gotta go Super Sai. Bo. I'm gonna, hey, freezer. I hear your power's over one million. What the fucking death beam? You didn't learn the accent of that one guy in Yu-Gio? Yug. Oh, you give it Joey. By the way, I did learn that.

That's where this is going to room. You need to give me back my red, black dragon. We've got a baby dragon and we've got time wizard. I'll be Yugi. And together they have an interaction only in the anime to turn it a thousand dragon. Hey, I'm, I'm Yu-I'm Yu-Iu. It's time to- And then you've got Yugi, who's, again, my voice is fucked out, but

Yugi's like, he's just like a little, he's a little guy, he's a little bit of a Morty-type character, yeah. And then you've got the Pharaoh. He's a thousand years old and he lives inside of a little boy. So it's okay. So it's fine. My grandfather's deck has no pathetic cards, Kaiba. Okay, let's look at the-

the white boy awards. That's literally what it is. So NBA player Anthony Edwards has a YouTube channel. He has something that he did this year called the first annual Believe That Awards. Oh, believe that awards. So he gave different awards to different people and Timothy Chalameh won White Boy of the Year. Oh, that explains it because I only saw the White Boy the Year award. What had been Shelton get?

We'll never know. Can you go to where it just shows all their little photos? Oh, yeah, with Sandler, the Sandman was in there, right? Candace Parker. Candace Parker. Candice Owens. Adam Sandler, Tom Cruise. Wait, what the heck?

What was Tommy's? This is the white boy of the year. These are the people who were. Her vibes would have been so off of Mr. Beast's one. Like, I got to be honest, there's a couple of turkeys in here. Can you imagine Tom Cruise being like, I just love movies. I love movies and I love being the white boy of the year. I don't do what Tom Cruise, but it's time for a white boy summer.

Seriously. Seriously. I'm going to love with Katie Holmes. I'm still a Scientologist, but they don't talk about it too much. We don't talk about it so much anymore. But I do make money from that. This next war is white boy out of year. This is our car.

By the way, I don't know who that guy is. I just know that he's Anthony Edwards and he's in a commercial with Anthony Edwards. Yeah, I think he's like one of his entourage guys. Maybe he does something else, but I've only seen him as ant's entourage. Which is, by the way, I love that. You know, bring up your people, yeah. When you're at right now, bro? Budapest hungry, how you doing, baby?

Budapest. Budapest, hungry. How you doing, baby? That's Timmy Shatameet. Baby. Nah, nah, y'all. Thank y'all for giving me the white boy award. It's like any time that Denzel isn't winning an award

as soon as it's like a real interview that's with him and he gets to be himself. Yeah. I do unironically think Timothy Jolome is like this behind closed doors. Definitely, man. I mean, the thing is, isn't his native language is French, right? He's American. I would say he probably is bilingual in the sense that he spoke French at home

with his father and mother, but spoke English in school. and stuff. I guess it just, the question of authenticity is largely, I think, uh, like anything else, a lot of the time when we talk about, the microaggressions, uh, bad behavior, the lack of tact, blah, blah, blah, insensitivity to like racial bias, whatever. A lot of the time what we're really talking about is like, there's a history to X thing. Or like co-opting. There's something. And I think a lot of people misunderstand that as it's just rudeness. Like, yeah, you don't, you don't imitate an, the Asian guy when you meet him because it's rude.

You put your fork on the wrong side of the thing. And it's like that it's a practical thing so that like naive people still don't do it. But there's an easy to follow rule of thumb. Yeah. It's like that we kind of saw that with the, when we watched the robot AI in the future racism sketches or whatever. Yeah. Where it's like, oh, you made this video because you don't get why racism is bad. Right.

Like what's bad about it? You just know it is bad. Right. It's the rules. You don't work on the Sabbath because of the rules. And if you actually can navigate these things with care and respect, then you would be surprised what you're allowed to get away with. Yes.

And also if you do grow up around people that don't look exactly like you and sound exactly like you. Yeah. Then you also can treat them not as some monolith where you get in trouble online, but as like actual people, if you can communicate a different way. Notably, like, Timothy Shalmay goes to a lot of NBA games, and he's probably cool with a lot of NBA players. And so, like, the fact that Anthony Edwards is as excited to talk to Timmy as he is to talk to Anthony Edwards, I think speaks to, like, there being a mutual respect. And I think that that's why it's like, I'm not getting up in arms about a white boy getting a little motion.

Yeah. I mean, same with, I mean, this is a weird example. I always kind of felt like the chat hang stuff was a bit bad. had faith. It was a lot of people being like, you can't do that voice. And it's like, well, yes, you can. It just, the, the thing that's bad about racism isn't being rude. It's not doing the thing that's supposed to do. It is like what it represents. It is different to evoke, like, racist depictions of the Japanese in World War II when you wear like the rice paddy hat and you like do buck teeth and stuff.

Not because it's just like a caricature, but because they put that on posters and then we killed a bunch of them. There's like more to it. It's like, oh wait, why is blackface bad in America? But this other culture does it. It's because it's a different culture.

It's a different culture. It has a different cultural background with this stuff. America gets a little bit less leeway. Because in America, it's called blackface because that's what it was called when they were doing racism. America kind of spent all of its benefits. of the doubt, unfortunately, doing slavery.

That kind of fucks it all out. And even after slavery, like, putting on menstrual shows to make fun of black people. You know what I mean? Like, that was the whole point. It's like, I'm being weird. You don't have to paint your face. There's some really strange. If you look at, like, World War II era PSAs with black people enlisting in the Army, they had

to do like anti-racism, but only for the Army PSAs, where they're like, listen, boys, you're going to be around the colors and they're going to be around the blacks. And they're, look, I know it's weird in America, but we're not in America. We're on the front lines. And I'm still talking like this because I don't know. War made me go crazy. War made me go crazy. I'm British.

But then after World War II, they were like, okay, let's get back to racism. Yeah, get away. Now, get away from my water fountain. You got a little too high step. You know, hiding. Your step. I got to be honest, didn't think you were making it back. You turned out you were too good at Roar, and there we have to hang out with you.

All right, Darius, when we get back to America, things are going to be a little different. People are probably going to be thankful. I'm going to go back to the white side of town, and you're going to go back to the black side of town. You're not allowed to. We won't let you do certain things. Yeah, we will let you do certain things. You can't get loans. You can't really come up economically.

But I did. I did everything. Yeah. Bimsa breaks. We just were doing a war that because of racial. did I hear a little bit more of timetay

is he short he's like five average he has the he's taller than Kendrick Lamar he's the proportions of a tall person

but like the energy of a fun smaller like not a lack of confidence but he has like a five seven agility he has he has the energy of a guy

who is going to sag his full ass out of skinny jeans do you know what I mean you have to like those guys When they run across the street, they really have to... But like the jean skinny as hell, the ass completely out. They work with the posture that a dog has to after it gets like muted.

Let's watch this because we got more stuff to get to. Yes, sir, Dune, part three, baby. I'm saying, though, how many hours a day? Because when I was in my movie with Hustle, they had me out there for like nine hours every day. I know you, you want to make care of so you in that movie all day all night. 12 hours, 14 hours a day. And usually I'm off my phone, but then they say, hey, and Amman wants to give you a white boy the year.

Have you seen Anthony Edwards movie with Adam Sandler, Hustle? That's a, he's like a coach or something? Well, Adam Sandler is a scout. Oh, yeah. And Anthony Edwards is in the Combine, which is like, we're, and he's really good. And he's really good. Oh, is this a movie? He gets like, he finds like a, uh, Yokic, right?

Like that, he finds like a huge European guy. A Spaniard. And it's actually an actual Spaniard. He's not really in the league anymore. I think it's cool. I got to start saying that. But anyways, Polack.

Most of Anthony Edwards' character is just talking shit. And he's already really good at that. He does then talk about the Marty movie that he's doing, Marty Supreme. He had a really good, like an actual sketch, like a good joke, like 20-minute video, Zoom call somehow made it funny. It's on his Twitter. Yeah, I heard about this. But yeah, he talks about that now. It's a role that he's, like, most excited for in his career.

So I'm like, damn, got to tap that. Well, on set for a movie. That's Timmy. I know literally doing part three. He's like, damn, how many parts he'll need it? Can we go to Godfrey comedian Instagram page? Godfrey, he's a comedian. He's been around for a thousand years.

Yeah, he definitely needs to be the captain of the tape. No. You need a Dominican. He'd be like, what was that shot? You don't know how to choose. You don't know how to choose. That's why we lose him all this meal, Masura.

So he's, like, pretty famous amongst other things for, like, doing very good. Like, SNL-style famous actor, impression so-and-so. Yeah. Do you think he is here repurposing his Pacino, his Scarface Pacino specifically?

I don't know. He does do a lot of... I think this is better than Pacino's. He does a lot of... He does this in a stand-up, like his Dominican... Like Pacino's Cuban accent in Scarface is awful. Like half the time, like, what would you do?

I think, but I do, I just put it. I want to put this out because it's like a little bit of the difference between like laughing with laughing at, right? Like, um, it's, uh, it's, it's like playing with, it's like, because Godfrey's not Dominican, but it's like, it's not punching down. Yeah. And so I feel like there is still space to make like accent jokes and stuff. as long as like it's like you know he's at the show he's he's laughing and where we're punching

is not in a place that's like you know uh not diminishing no it almost feels celebratory of of dominicans i will say though go to his page his one with dr dr dr dr day he's doing a trump and i'm like damn his trump is really good but i'm gonna tell you right now this guy has the best music i love n w i'm not doing this no negroes without He's a Negro with a great attitude. It's good to have these people kind of archiving the more interesting Trump voice because Trump has now officially shed it because he's too old. We were in a meeting the other day and Jacob said that Logan Paul was debating Neil deGrasse Tyson about the moon landing and whether their earth was flat, question mark. Clash of the Titans, man.

How can we not talk about that? I got to tap in. I got to learn more. Two annoying posters. but for different reasons. Finally, Neil DeGrasse Tyson finds this intellectual equal. Yeah, the King Kong Godzilla, man. Yeah.

Oh, it's an impulsive, of course. Yeah. This feels a bit late. Do you know what I mean? It's like kind of, this is, this feels like a video that would be made in like 2019. Neanderth Tyson, Logan Paul, debate it. It feels like, I don't know, inviting Neil DeGrasse Tyson on your podcast to have a debate about the moon landing. It seems like making a movie about COVID now.

Yeah, that should happen in 1969. Guys, what are we doing here? You weren't even there. No. I get it. Coming up with ideas for your podcast is hard. Yeah, it's something to do the thing. Also, maybe he asked Neil DeGrasse Tyson in the past, and it just took this long to wear him down.

Well, he was starting to the deep fake for a while. Hey, why aren't you replying to me? Trying to grab, trying to box the screen. Actually, this might actually be because he got tricked by the deep fake and then it was like, I thought you finally got wise. Oh, fuck, you're right. Yeah, that literally might have. he was trying to feed it lunchlies what's wrong with this screen i i'm learning now from his

background the lunchly's still around so and that he's still viving with it i guess good for them and that he has a hieroglyphs on a vase of some kind all right let's see the sexiest the sexiest astrophysicist alive neil the grass tyson yeah are there aliens and are they going to proba it's crazy to like do we do do do they think that these AI videos add any amount of production quality. Oh, that I'm looking at going like, nice. Oh, wow. I hadn't imagined it before, but now... How did you guys do it? Don't you think it's kind of like

a subway surfer kind of split screen thing? So you have something to look at, yeah. Well, they're already trying to grab my attention with the captions because it is a podcast, so it is funny to do the Mr. Beast like captions in the beginning. Yeah, they go, don't keep that up, right? Generate an image based on what the

future will look like. There'll be total nuclear holocaust. No, no. No. He's doing it live on the show. I don't... Was that him typing a prompt? Well, that was Logan typing a prompt. I don't think he asked him to generate an AI.

I think he was like described an image of the universe. But he's using... Oh, is he trying to do a bit where it's like, you're basically an AI, so I'm giving you Neil Degas Tyson a chat. That's just how he talks. He's just saying, tell us what the future will look like. He's prompting the world, man. What three eye atlas is.

I don't know. what I'm looking at. It's doing things I don't understand. Therefore, it must be aliens. Wow. Is Three-Eye Atlas the thing that Harvard astrophysicist thinks is an alien object? I think so, yes. But then Hank Green was like, I don't think so. We don't know what we're looking at. Well, that guy, apparently the guy that Hank Green was quoting, I'm joking when I say Hank was beefing with him, but the guy that Hank was talking about kind of always says it's aliens. And it's like, okay. That is a good brand. Leading in, be like, no, this time, first of all, the rapture's happening, and it is aliens.

All right, let's see. Oh, it's like impulsive. Do you think about that? No. I wonder if you guys to get that. I'm Paul. Yo, you have a great voice. Oh, no, I don't think of, no, my regular voice, I don't think about it, but when I put on a voice, then I know I got a, welcome to the universe.

See, I could do that. That's like the planetarium. That's, the voice coming out of the sky. It can't be pip squeak, high squeak. I don't like watching podcasts because it reminds me what they are. Yeah, and then I... It's too meta. I remember what we are.

I like that there's different primes in every corner. Yeah, it's like a leaster egg. Every shot, it's like, can you circle the prime? Can you spot the foul product? Yeah. Oh, I'm such a goof. The two orange primes. I, uh...

But let's get to the debate. There's like a debate here. Why aren't our, um, why aren't our chapters like this? Are aliens real probing? cattle mutilations in latinas should we look at the we didn't just this one episode on the moon logan and neal debate based on intensity of of of evidence we we do have others quality of evidence yes the belief okay quality of evidence where is aliens where's flat earth and where is the moon landing rank them to your list all equally zero really yeah pretty much

really the moon landing too as what did the moon landing happen was that one i'm Yes, yes, yes. Did you invert the scale? Whoa, whoa, pose a sec. Logan's like displaying a strange emotion. There was like no performance in that. He was like, his heckles were up. He's ready to pounce.

The moon landings and the spherical Earth to be in denial of those means you are intellectually and emotionally disconnected from civilization. Yes. on some level okay you need help okay wait so you're saying flat earthers need help well well okay no we're in a free country you can say believe what you want i just don't want you to become head of nassah yeah there's plenty of jobs you can have yeah they're all about the sea they go

they go down do you know that NASA the sea focus so they got scared of the sea that's right because it was a fish or something because because a bd sorry i was trying to do a seven eight nine joke about the letter c why was not so scared of the we did a whole flat earth documentary dude we infiltrated the flat earth community oh I know about that you do I know of it I know of it wow yes no I thought that was that was good you so because it was it was oh you let him sink themselves you know just let them talk themselves whatever it was our favorite thing we've ever got you do they not okay so that they're not like that

They're not flat-Earthers. But they are genuinely skeptical that we went to the moon. Yeah. So, plus I think flat-earthers, it's really a hoax on us. Because when spaceflight becomes routine, they want to be the first one sent into space for free. So it says, forking up to $50,000, they get sent for free. Is that just an obscure, inaccessible joke told weird?

Yes. Okay, good. I was trying to follow it. Yeah, yeah, he's just saying the long con is they just want people to send them to space for free. Oh, that, okay. So, moon landings, we would have had to have faked the moon landing, going to the moon, nine times. That's weird. Why would you do that?

Well, you know why you would do it. To fake it nine times? Why would you do it? That's weird. I'm just saying. Yeah, but yeah, but weird is not, weird in itself is not a piece of evidence. Correct. But you're allowed to look at what could be motives as part of the evidence that you assemble.

What about the physical evidence that was brought up? Physical evidence, we have rocks from the moon. That's what I remember. It's shared with the world. Please watch this video on my phone. I remember that. Old enough to remember it. Is that how gravity functions on the moon?

Like, doesn't he not are ridiculous hopping around? Wait, is how, did he not go to any school? Yeah, isn't that? Well, maybe not. Is it evidence what's wrong with why are they floating? Because he's not know about the difference in gravity between the tiny little moon compared to the big earth? This is how my five-year-old nephew would come up to me

and ask about it. But that's not how you jump. That's true. And then they're like, well. No, your nephew's smut on that. He's a lot sharper than that. He is actually. But with your current muscular skeletal structure,

you're now skipping around with 40 pounds of total weight. So your slightest muscle. movements you'll just float don't you think that video looks a little silly though that like that means it's not true dude counted arm broken perfect perfect posture they should have had more like Riz on the moon is what don't you think that the like they were so cringe actually on the right okay so anyway back to the sort of empirical evidence stuff so dude what we have right now is not only footage but also like like a lot of reference points and mathematical

justification as to why it would be that way. Logan Paul didn't understand the movie, Nope. Oh, that's true. I forgot about that. And now he's like the, wait, but this looks a little weird. This looks like AI. Yes, dude. This looks like one of the videos I could generate now in 2025 with generative AI.

It's so funny. To call it a debate when it is nah, now. It's a fake. So when you like go to zero gravity, right, and the astronauts are floating around, Doesn't that look equally weird? Well, that is like, of course. That's a good point. Do moon landing people think that we went to space at all ever?

Because that's kind of just, it's just like an extra step. Neil DeGrasse Tyson is saying, we've been there nine times. Like, think about that. Like, okay, maybe we faked the first one. Why would we continue to fake it? And say we've been there again and again. What's the thing? And then his friend whose name Mike, Mike,

Magic, that's, Mikey, Mike, Mr. Michael, Mr. Michael. He was like, but then you double down and triple down and quadruble down and quintuble down and sex tuple down and septuple down and then octumple down and non-uple down. And then? Then the nanauple down. After that, uh, you get the money. No people believe. Yeah, no one expects the nipple down. And then you get the money, yes.

And then they get, yeah, they get the computer gets the money or something. What's the reason they think it's fake? So do you remember when that Canadian astronaut Chris Headfield was popular on Twitter? vaguely. I don't remember the name. So he played, he would make these videos while he was in the international space station. He would make these videos of himself playing guitar because he loved David Bowie. He played Major Tom.

You know, he was like our space oddity. Man with his base. And he made all these cool videos because Twitter was like. fairly new to being popular at that time of him in space. And one of the things he did was like, here's what water looks like. Oh, yeah, he would go like, like eat the water.

Yeah. Like here's how gravity works in space. And it's like, I don't know why. Do they then think that's fake? I never thought about them wearing like a polo and khakis. What is? He's dressed like Jake from State Farm.

Yeah, this is a very expensive ad. So if you don't, if you don't believe. the silly guy hopping on the moon. Do you also not believe the silly people in the international space station? So I think what's happening here is that we went to the moon a long time ago and we went for political reasons more than and it's like science was able to benefit. But the the catalyst is this the space race and so because the only times that we've put people on the moon are so long ago it looks weird because you haven't seen anything like it you haven't seen modern footage of it you haven't seen modern footage and you haven't seen different grab you your brain isn't prepared to see different gravities yeah and so it just looks wrong why would people like looking at a like footage of the vietnam war and being like why is the quality so low? This kind of happened. Why is it sepia town? Because I know people also get weird

about like the shadows and stuff. It's like a different planet up there. It's like a yeah. And so I wonder if it's just like he's like just doesn't believe what his eyes are seeing or it doesn't make sense based on what he's seen before. And also he wasn't he didn't go to science class when he was like six. He is now a product, right? Everything has to be the most. Like he has to be the most of anything. And what is the most a podcast I can say on a show? The moon landing wasn't real. It's not like actually

asking tangible questions or being like, how come they are floating on space? But then why does he believe the earth is a sphere? Because he saw it. He's like, yeah, we owned those flat earthers. Because it's the most you can do. No, because poning with facts and logic

is the most. Because there's not like fun people to make fun of that claim we landed on the moon, because They're just right. But dunking on like flat earthers has become a meme. So you can do that for a video. Right. It's been validated by content.

This, but he, his genuine confusion, we're going to have to just hit play here, but he does look genuinely confused. You think we went to the moon. I know we went to them. What do me, I think? They brought back rocks, okay? We, rocks shared with laboratories around the world. That's what you do as scientist.

And that's evidence for you. That's the concrete evidence you need. to believe in something. It's just, okay, so all they've got is stuff they brought back, video of it happening, and consensus globally with nations who have no incentive to lie about it. And that's all you've got. The amount of people who worked on it, who have all agreed it happened. What would proof be?

Like Logan goes there. That's enough for you. It's like imagining that scientific consensus isn't like empirically verified. I mean, that's where it may take your, do your own. research premise comes from is that every, is that saying and thinking is research. The research is just vibes based and it's not like, research is like frustratingly rules heavy. You have to do very specific stuff. Yeah, it's like, wait, that's just like a couple of, like that's just, that's just a couple of guys.

Like me and my boys, we disagree. So now we're at an impasse. No. You're not actually. Because if I was on the moon, I probably wouldn't even jump like that. I wouldn't jump in that fucking. That fucking cringe loser ass way. You crazy?

I probably wouldn't go to the moon. I also find conspiracy theories like this is so funny because like, take like the Arctic ice walls, for example, like, oh, they're hiding an alien civilization over there. Like, do you think the governments around the world that as many people as would be involved in something like that? Do you think every single person would be able to keep that secret for as long as you think they have? That's the other thing is like the amount of people that would be involved.

would have to be in on it and the generations that would have to keep those secrets. Like, yeah, that's not happening. It's like we're talking on the order of thousands and thousands and thousands of people who would all be in lockstep. And America doesn't even work like, like culturally America doesn't even work like that. We can't even get the same power outlets globally. Yeah, this is like why the do your own research stuff is such a, like, it's such a tool for conspiracy to kind of further further themselves.

It's like the oxygen by which they propagate because to a scientist who can empirically analyze the moon rocks and stuff, you, you, like, if you're a general, if you're a geologist, like I, I, my, my friend Peter is, he's, he's a geologist and he like worked on like Mars stuff. Mars rocks and stuff. Believe that. Yeah. And so it's like if you're a Gia, I kind of wish I could call him. Did we really do that?

Well, because like if you're if you're a rock expert, which, you know, I am because I listen to the stones. Hell yeah, brother. There's a 15 minute break, but we cut it down a little bit. Yeah, we had to edit it out. If you're if you're a rock expert, then you know these things have been analyzed beyond like to authenticity. We know they

but the wrong people are lying to us. Right. But it's like you know they can't be faked but your average person can't imagine why like oh well if Hollywood

can make a moon rock look real on camera then why couldn't they make a fake? They think scientists just look at it and go yep looks real. Yeah literally like and not just one scientist

all communities of scientists around the world because we've sent like these moon rocks are not just in one guy's And also, and also the annoying thing is, even though all the scientists are more or less in concert about this, there's always like some sort of ex-scientist who has mental health, like, troubles, who's like grifting. Yeah, man. And that's enough, like.

That's the incentive to lie. If we're talking about like a consp- why you would, let's go, Occam's razor on this. Okay. It's either most and like, like, 99% of professionals are, like, like, 99% of professionals are, like, lying about it for some unknown reason or it's a very small number of people who are lying and coincidentally grifting and making money from doing it. I don't know what I'd go with. Who's to say?

That's actually a pretty common thing with science is that you got to look at who's funding the research and funding the paper, funding this particular scientist who's saying these things because if Monsanto is like, oh, yeah, excessive sugar is actually really good for you, we need to get a guy to say that scientifically. Yeah, if somebody's doing like adjut prop in support of like Russia's annexing of Ukraine and then, you know, in theory, let's say that several different conservative grifters were proven to have been taking money from a shell corporation that was then tied directly to Moscow. I guess maybe it's not actually a principle they hold.

Maybe they had some kind of incentive to say it. No, but, you know, sometimes guy owns a house. Like, they're just humans, too. So let's hear Neil's response to that's evidence enough for you. The rocks. Yeah. From the moon. That physical evidence is concrete enough.

What's left? You got to bring back the whole moon. I think he has to go there. I think that literally is the only good idea, actually. Which is the thing that holds back our society. Like, we need to be able to trust people with, you don't need to, like, if it takes you having the experience, every experience in order to believe that it exists, then that holds us back as a society.

Plus the Saturn 5 rocket launched, you can calculate how much fuel is in it and what that could do to the little capsule where the three assets. astronauts were. It's enough fuel to go into Earth orbit, go to the moon, go into moon orbit, come back to Earth and land. Where do you think those rockets were going? To the Piggly Wiggly down the street? Like, so, so. He's like, I didn't consider the Piggly Wiggly. That is pretty far. Also, by the way, Piggly Wiggly is exclusively a place that old people reference. Is it still around? I think it is, but only in very regional. My mom would reference Piggly. It's a southern thing. Yeah. It's a very southern.

Tyson's how old the restaurant he's probably like a grocery store it's a grocery store they still operate in 67 they still operate in fairs where oh shut up what was you did that two seconds ago I know but only I'm allowed to do it uh wait when was he born 50 is uh I thought the new crash size was born in 1916 uh 15 wow Oh my God, I don't know if I said 58 out loud, but I said 58 to myself. So here are all the states where Pigley Wiggly still exists. Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia. It's like all Southern.

This does happen when someone is so inside baseball and something. And this has happened to me too. He is being inaccessible because the question is too stupid for words. He is hitting you with like, nah, but this is never real. He's going to like, yeah, but what about the fuel? What about Saturn 5? Sorry, they don't know what that is. They don't know the alphabet.

You can't stop that. It's a good point. Thousands of people who would have to keep this a secret. So NASA was concerned that Russia would beat us to the moon. Yep. So they and the government got together, say, we're going to have to fake this. So they say, but we don't know how to do that.

Let's go to Hollywood. So they called Hollywood and Hollywood said, we got to fake the moon landing, but don't tell anyone. Okay. So, so Hollywood studies the problem and comes back and says, turns out we can't. and fake the moon landing, but it's way easier if we do it on location.

What about guns? He's got jokes. Dude, by the way, Logan, I don't know if it's an editor or not. He goes, ha ha. Anyway, what about this other piece of evidence? Have you noticed how weird the bouncing is? But look, on my phone, the guy is so small. Is he in my side the phone?

This is a very funny. The Drake pointing and the Drake shunning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tired wire. I understand what Neil deGrasse Tyson is saying, like, it would cost the same amount to fake it, so why not just do it? It's so crazy that at a time where, like, we knew the limits of Hollywood, they now have this unbelievable limitless power.

Yes, yes. This limitless ability. This was almost 30 years before Jurassic Park. Yeah. Like, what is the kit that they had in their pocket? To make less money than they would? Yeah, they were like, we can't figure out this moon thing. So Stanley Kubrick actually came in, designed the rockets, and went to the moon himself.

So in a way, he'd faked it, but he really did go. He's going to be, ha, ha, ha, okay, no, but now let's look at some other evidence. But isn't it illegal to go there? What about Gus Grisham? Do you know the story of Gus Grism? What about him? Do you know? Yeah, I met most of the moon, moon people.

Yeah, what about it? So he was one of the astronauts that burned alive in the cockpit. Yeah, yeah, and Apollo 1. Yeah, that was supposed to go to the moon. Apparently he was really outspoken about the moon program and wrote a letter. It's basically saying we aren't ready, we don't have the technology for this. He even hung a lemon on the, on the craft as like a symbology for this. Symbology.

That cannot possibly be the guy's. But that's Apollo 1? Yeah, but also like. Like, what he's saying is not in conflict with, he's, like, if it's a, if it's a lemon, it's saying, I don't think this car can make this whole road trip. I know, it's like the Titan submarine, like Titan submersible, is that what it was called? Yeah. The Stockton Gulio or whatever's the music. Stockton Rush, yeah.

That is like not an indication of whether or not submarines can work. Well, that's the other thing is like, if I said no car can go over 25 miles per hour because the model T, She couldn't go over 25 miles per hour. Right. But also it's like, and then you crashed it and you're like, cause just crashed. He was, he was like right because Apollo 1 was a failure. Yeah. But for nuanced reasons that it's not like.

But for reasons about like it's almost like a casualty of a war. Yeah. Where it's like where the ask, like there is a proxy war between America and Russia. The astronauts are proxy soldiers and the American government is playing with their lives as chess pieces. They're a service that was like to discreet. And so that's like a soldier saying, hey, I don't think this mission is going to be successful and that they're general sending them to die.

And that is like, oh, I don't think the war happened. Right. It's like that is a worthy critique of the way things are happening because of what the impetus was for like going back to the beginning. The reason this was happening is because the space race was this proxy, you know, war between the U.S. and Russia. And then like, and also to be like, so we blew up a motherfucker, but then we went to Hollywood. It was that way around.

He hung a lemon, so we blew him up. Yeah, we had to, we had to silence him. We had to silence him. When you fire him. Like, you can't go to space, dude. Sorry. If it's all part of like the, they assassinated him, is that the implication? Well, now it's like, now there's just conspiracies on conspiracies.

Well, they forced him to, like they killed him because he was saying too much. And that was the easiest way to do it in a rocket. This is also the thing that conspiracy theories do where they take like a shred of something that could be construed as conspiracy. It is again just like a, not to be too, however I mean a child's way of thinking where if they're playing pretend

and you're like, well, why would this happen? And they go, well, because of this thing that I'm making up right now. And you go, well, how does that work with that? And they go, well, because of this other thing that I'm making up right now. And they just have to keep creating things. But he's saying it.

same way that like a kid will throw out like a suggestion you're like that let that is so little to do with what i just asked that i guess i have to go with it but like so what happens how come your the you're the rest of you're playing with here one even though he got pinned they're like the salamander isn't even home right okay then let's keep playing indubitably all right let's see let's see talking to the tower down the street the headquarters and and and they could they couldn't connect even me i'm sitting in this top top building of this floor and i have one bar it's 2025 and gus said like Well, that doesn't mean anything. Get out of here. Get the fuck.

Technology works. Like, that's, oh, my God. That's an entirely different technology. They didn't have LTE in fucking 1960s. I mean, that is great. But what he's saying, what he's saying is, like, if it's difficult for me to connect to something now. But the issue is, like, they're...

It's hard to connect to stuff. I'm struggling to even frame a response to this type of thing, because the I I part of me wants to explain the reason that he has bad service at the top floor of the thing and the other thing I want to say is about how the technology he's comparing apples to oranges technology and then the other thing I want to say is even the problem the like any sort of interference that's happening between him and like the building or whatever because the reason that he can't connect is not because this building is so high up you know to the the the signal suffocates. It's probably because of like whatever like signals bouncing around the concrete and shit of this like of this, uh, he said he had one bar. And he still has one bar.

He still has service. It's just not very good. It's just like low so you, so the moon. And so, and so, but the thing is if you're on the rocket that's in the air, it's not obstructed by a bunch of fucking concrete. And why is that the part that like is unlikely? They spoke to them in space. that's a quite a distance love it they did a tv broadcast but he's like how the hell would he be able to talk to a building down the street god if if the space race happened like after we had like a little bit more video recording technology because i i think that there's another thing with the moon landing where the original master tapes were lost yeah and so all that all that remains is the uh the things that were copied from the tv broadcast yes and yeah

Oh, wow, you lost the tapes. It was broadcast to everyone. Yeah. Yeah, well, that's what you... People watched it live. Yeah. That's such a crazy achievement. Look at it.

We look so deflated. Fair enough, man. Communicate your miles down the road. How are we going to make it to the moon? Yeah, so we have clever engineers, and they fix it. That's why the next five Apollo numbered missions were scrapped. We went from Apollo 1 to Apollo 7 after the Apollo 1 fire. So that was a problem.

They fixed it. This is what engineers do. Wait, so you don't think they just assassinated them? This is they live for that. Wait, sorry, Mike. Wait. I could, I guess. So you don't think they just assassin?

Like, how many fucking Elon rockets have exploded, bro? And like, no, they're not manned. But like, it's a difficult problem. I'm just hit him with a car. Why would you burn him in the shit? It's expensive to make, bro. It was, dude, it was the 60s. You could just say, he went away.

He disappeared that he never existed, actually. Oh, my, it was so much easier back then. Also, what if they did assassinate him? What does that have to do with us going to the loop? Because he was complaining, like, all right. Like, we doesn't mean that Apollo 7 or 8 or 9. Yeah, it's weird because who's we? It's like, this is just a guy who critiqued the efficacy of the mission based on him also being an, you know,

It's like going through astronaut training, you know a thing or two. You're an engineer probably. You know a thing or two about the stuff that's going on. I'm sure, especially back then, people were like hella locked in to all of the goings on and all of the science because they're the only ones who are on the flight. They were the ones we're going to space. Even if they thought they were going to blow up doing it, I think you'd probably get, you'd probably lean in. if you got on a ship and were like I am so confident that this ship isn't going to work

there's only one thing that a ship not working means it means exploding there isn't like a well we should just reverse we didn't get high enough in the sky I guess we should yeah fuck this I'm just gonna tuck and roll out this is it's like if they were like the guy flying the Hindenburg is like there's a 100% chance that this is engulfed in flames but it's my job

I have to do it. It would be rude not to. And then they're like, well, no, he was forced. He was forced by the powers could be. But he could put a lemon on there. He got the chance to do that. None of that matters still. Because if he's like criticizing them and saying we're, it's, we're not ready.

But the government is like, yeah, we are. Just do it. Just do it. And they force him in there at gunpoint to get into the ship. And then it goes up and it explodes. Then they're going to be like, oh, shit. We're still trying to get to the moon. Let's fix this problem. He wasn't even saying it's all fake. They got Stanley Kubrick to do it. He's just saying that like he doesn't

feel like it's there yet. They're doing a really bad job. Yeah. No one ever draws a one and two, but there was overwhelming constant collisions in the development of self-driving technology. But it does exist now. I'm not saying I necessarily have comfortable with it. And there There's still people that say it's, like, for example, one of the primary critiques of Tesla self-driving is that they pushed it to market before it was ready, aka it's not there yet. They're not saying it doesn't exist. They're not saying it can work in 95% of cases. They're saying that when people's lives are on the line, it needs to be a 99.99% chance of success, you know? and

okay continue I'm feeling his frustration he's gotten visibly upset he's just tired the real issue here is if you don't know physics you think getting to the moon was harder than it actually was

explain that to me because it sounds really hard dude it's far away he's beyond parody I mean, he's... It sounds... The best part is when he goes, it's far away. Wait, can we back that up?

It's really far away. My phone wouldn't even be able to get bars. Like, it looks small to me. Like, that's how hard. But it's actually big. But it's actually big. I thought at the top of the building we're in, I thought we'd basically be next to the moon,

but it's like a mile more. Also, how can a person fit on it? Because at night, I look and I can do this with my finger. And I'm worried I'm going to crush it. Yeah. Explain that to me, because it sounds really hard, dude. It's far away. It's far away.

It's far away. It's far away. Like he's not wrong. No, it's true. It does, honestly, like, confused. It does, and I'll give him this, it does sound really hard, and it is far away. Those things are all, that all tracks. It's one of the furthest things from your house.

But at the time, it was really hard. And far. And it was really far away. In fact, it killed some people. That's true. That's how hard it was. But now. we've sent

like there's people in space right now on the international it's so hard that they even scrapped you know this five six Apollo missions you know I like I was like explain that to me explain how physics but I do think it's earnest which is

shamefully honest like the the podcast performance like the mass slipped entirely away and he literally looked at him when it's so far away Because when I got on a plane, I look at the moon, it's the same size. Neil deGrasse Tyson is going to give them a full physics. Because there's not like a highway that I can drive on.

My car doesn't go up. Yeah, it's far, but rockets, you know, yes, it is rocket science. But once you know what you're doing, it's just, can the materials sustain it? Get the right materials. Will everything fire in the right sequence? You don't want to put human life at risk. Do they think we went to space? Yeah, I don't know where they drop.

I don't know. Where is the line? Did they think they went into the sky? Do they believe in a normal plane? Because it's like... Like, are they also saying Yuri Gagarin didn't go into space? Because it is an interesting thing because like you go, okay, so you have planes. And then those planes can go tens of thousands of feet up in the air.

And what's crazy is, can you imagine them going higher? Because they're actually built to just fly at that height for fuel reasons. Oh. Well, and for gravity reasons. And for gravity reasons. Well, but that informs the other because like the aerodynamics are such that like the capitalistic forcing function of it all is how do we do this economically? Smallest spend for longest journey. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But we have the technology. Like the Concord was faster and went higher. Yep. But we don't use it because it's not financially efficient. And it wasn't as good of a product experience. Not to like politicize it, I guess, but I mean, it is inherently political. Too loud. Discos.

Too rude. I feel like this indulging in this kind of everything needs to be mine and I need to have an involvement in everything, an agency over every conversation. And I need to be involved is poisonous. I think it's like it is radiation to the brain to spend all of your time, usually very online, making sure that you are involved in a conversation.

Every single time I see a disco. start on any platform about whether or not it is ethical to use Uber reeds, I lose a couple days off my life. The conversations people will have, the righteous and dignite, and everyone's inability to be like, I don't know, I'm going to do it anyway. Which is what, that's life, man. You can take a couple breaths. You can take a little distance from things.

Prioritize things you actually have control over. Where the fuck is your war with the dig we go space? It does kind of feel like as a person who like did a little like just a tad more academics than Logan Paul, there's a thing that I, that there's this thought that I had it multiple times during like my stint in school, which is like physics is hard. I don't like it and I know people who are really good at it. And the moon's really far away. And what's crazy is I can focus on the stuff that I like and then I'm good at and then I want to focus. on. And I can also go, hey, Peter, he's so good at, he's so good at the sciences. I couldn't even. He's so much better. I wouldn't even be able to understand.

And then that gets better and better and better. And then it becomes harder for him to explain to me what he's doing because I tapped out at, you know, E&M physics two or whatever. If I don't understand something, it must be wrong or it must be like, because he's even saying, like, explain the physics to me now. Because if it's true, I'll be able to understand. Right. And that is, I think that that is the critical fallacy. You made me think of this, which is like, it's the meification. I need to understand. Right. And it's like the issue is that to understand this, you need a lot of time and dedication. And the, the, the nice thing is that you get to go throw poca balls at people in Japan. And nothing else. And nothing else happens. And then other

people get to continue studying around other people who are studying. And then they all have a shared understanding that continues to grow and evolve. And they begin pushing those boundaries and doing the calculus. And it's like, you know, for Logan Paul, it's like, okay, you know, like the force of gravity is like 9.8 meters per second squared. Right. And so it's like as you go up and up and up, it's like exponentially more difficult to continue that, but there's a number. And you can, in what Neil deGast Tyson is saying is that like you, you design for that, you put the fuel on the rocket, you do the aerodynamics, right? Like you do the thing you believe in, you do believe in the plane.

Because like, because the heart, I, you know, there's a lot of hard parts, but the hard part is like reaching escape velocity because there's not air resistance in space. because there's not air. I think I'd probably, at that point, I'm also going to log into, okay, well, I can see that being really hard. Can't do that. I personally would not be able to do that,

and I am the main character. You know, my friend Jack, my friend, and DM, Jack. And DM. He is a mechanical engineer who worked for JPL, has designed cables that go on the various

rovers. So he has worked on like Europa and all these other, you know, like things we have sent into space. And he was trying to explain to me all that they have to take into consideration for a cable. Yeah. Like that's all he's focused on is the cables to connect various electronics to each other. They have to worry about temperature. If it gets too cold, if it gets too hot, they have to worry about gravity they have to worry about the electronics on the on on the ship yeah and and they because it's made of them and they even have to worry about certain acidities and like is this going to fall apart and leave debris on a planet and then negatively affect that planet there's way more that he has to worry about than I even understand fully that's okay I don't need to

to understand it. Right. I can trust he's doing his job. He's lying, actually. And what you know is a special effects artist. And all he does is movies, really. He does movies for lying. It's like when people say that like,

CGI is bad because they only notice bad CGI. Right. And they go like, yeah, CGI is when stuff doesn't look real. Because basically what happens is you go on a computer, you go on a word document and you type, Thor flies with his hammer. And then it gets uploaded. And that's what I understand. That is bad understanding is why.

generative AI is such a cancer. Because they go, oh, Hollywood's doomed. I now have the machine that I can type Thor flies with Averon. I can make an episode of the Big Bang Theory where a guitar fuses with Shelton's face. Bozoinco. To the point of like, do they think we made,

like, do they think we have gone to space at all? I want to know what they think about like the ISS. Yeah. But the problem. That's cool suspension. They know that very well. It's very healthy and reasonable, especially right now to be skeptical generally about everything unfortunately because we live in a

society that is like overwhelmingly deceptive yeah you don't get told your overdraft fee from wells fargo until you're in your overdraft because that's what they want to happen they want to screw you over but they present the bank in the most of you know we just got a bunch of horses on a back it's about the american dream yeah uh we got a predatory loan and about penicious loan is about 17000 percent. Oh, APR. We use an acronym so you don't know it's just paying more. It's like healthy to be skeptical, but it's funny to think that technically, if not for that, there could be a world where the first thing you think when someone tells you something is, well, that's probably true. And now we literally don't do that. The first thing you have to think is, what's the most

cynical reason someone would say that? And you're probably right. If you're online, they're probably exaggerating or lying because why wouldn't they? As opposed to like, when I chat, when I get a doctor in the UK when the NHS was functional many, many years ago, I displayed a lot less skepticism than when I go to a doctor here because they are incentivized to bring me back. It is different. They want me to come back and I need to exercise that. But if there were fully public healthcare service that had universal, like,

good structuring and as effective as possible, I would trust every doctor I went to because they would have no reason to lie. Because incentives matter, yeah. But now they only have reasons to lie to it. The, uh, I think that it's also worth noting that like all of these. Sorry, I don't want to. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know, I know what you mean. But also it's like get second opinions. And also there's like, you know, there's biases and et cetera. But I believe that the iPhone is, has more contains within it more

technological achievements modern technological achievements than like the the moon missions but because it's something you can hold in your hand and you're not asked to understand it it would be equally

if not more difficult to explain how the iPhone works to Logan Paul but he's holding it so it is his he I have it it's like there's just like so many I know a lot about computers

compared to the average person. But like, if you get down to electrical engineering, it's like, okay, I didn't study that. You're soldering and it's like that is like, you know, and then below that is like the electricity and magnetism, like the physics, all the stuff, how this stuff works. And it's like, okay, that's where I lose it. But at a high level, okay, there's a lot I understand. All I'm trying to say is like cars also, like have so much complexity baked into them and you don't know how they work.

Like there's not a conspiracy about whether or not a car drove on Route 60. he's saying, so far away. Logan Paul clearly doesn't understand how his cell phone works because he's like, why do I only have one bar if we went to the move? It is an unrelated question. That's so funny for him to drop that in that. Okay, let's see where this goes.

Let's see if he wins. Dude, we have an SUV-sized rover on Mars right now. Just roving. It's doing work, okay? It's just roving. It's just roving. Just mouth slacked open. So he believes in the Mars rover.

So we got one answer to a question. And it's roving. That guy pretending he knows what it is. Yes, roving. Marsly. And I know what rovers do. They rove left and they rove. Right.

He calls it like a rotor. Yeah, the rotor, yeah. A maze. No, and it's Marsing over there. Yeah. Just roving. Now. Just roving.

Yeah. Well, it's doing work. Okay. And just discovered a rocket. He's just... He's an alien. Just a very guy. Yeah.

Food. It is like a kid learns their first word and everyone's celebrating it because it's like a big moment. And then they start saying more as you're like, still good, but you got to get sentences now. Logan. Just just roving. All right. Let's keep going. This is awesome.

And just discovered a rock that may have had evidence of life. Yep. So. Yep. For sure. Keep it up. The fact that we have people living. and walking among us in denial of where engineering and science has taken us is itself

a compliment for how far civilization has become i see what because they don't know but that's it does it not frustrate you that that no because we live in a free country no but they can think what the hell why is the size of that group because if you go back 30 years the size of the denial of historical events group was a small group right it was a it was a pretty small group and then there was Alex Jones because they're all insane and the internet connected them and now they and there's more people there's like way more people his buddy does seem to be he's smarter a little bit where he's like because no that's like he did to no way he's like he's just like he's a little bit more aware of things I guess I should say than Logan Paul I think he's

offering at least up like a well here's a different a bad counter but like like like like, well, why would so many people say this? As opposed to Logan's hit, which is like, but the moon is like in space at this point. Yeah. Basically in space. I'm noticing that it's like in the sky, which is far away. Sky.

Far. We can find every other person in the world that thinks exactly how you think, no matter how crazy the idea is, which lends credence to your own belief. Confirmation bias. In whether or not you are correct. Okay, what does Mike think?

Dude, Logan's the divorced parents kid right now. Stop shouting. No, but I think people are, I think more people are transitioning into those belief sets. I think distrust in the government. For the same reason. Because now they have marketing arms. And you can hear about it. I mean, if the town drunk from ye old fiefdom lived in it down his whole life,

he had no method to go over to the other town. There was no user experience. There was no gossip. I guess he's right that there's more people, but. He's right that the rover is roving. It's that the, like, we have evidence that, like, on Facebook. Facebook. Oh, my God, I can't live like this.

On Facebook, they, uh, we have seen how propaganda machines have, like, promoted certain videos and stuff to make people believe in, uh, things that are very false. and so it makes sense that yeah there's way more people now because of the internet we're impressionable we're not so i think it like there's this hubris that like we're in foul we're like not impressionable to technology or that like uh it makes me think of the old facebook got in trouble for this like 15 years ago now but they realize that they could affect people's mood yeah yeah with like and and that type of stuff it's like oh like we are especially in concert when there's like lots of lots of data and lots of you can influence so many people at once you realize how malleable our our brains are online the same thing has been happening throughout history yeah that's why the printing press

was a very uh disturbing thing to people in power because they were like we can't let people read, they'll go against the church or whatever. Yeah, Martin Luther hammering letters on doors was the equivalent of like inventing like publicized health care. And then people newspapers like have spread, you know,

misinformation. I was going to say but like to that point about the printing press there's also the old school conspiracy stuff was distributed via like papers, pamphlets you know, things that are just like un fact-checked but magazines. But but it's shaped like information.

Yeah. So there is an inherent bias just like, you know, it's like when you are a kid and you're learned to not trust everything you read on Wikipedia, which is like so funny that the issue in the past was Wikipedia and not like your fucking feed. And now Wikipedia is like one of the few things where you're like, well, it's like kind of right. Pretty there. That's a classic level, what's the incentive kind of set up is like, well, why, okay, I guess you could try and limit this piece of information, but like, why is that how you do it?

Even in the case of the printing press, or really just in the case of, like, written information, what was the first thing that the people empowered tried to do on a systemic level? Limit literacy. Yes. It's like, well, we can't beat this. So we'll just prohibit people from reading it. And then literacy got too much of a consensus. And then it was like, okay, then I guess we have to do counter programming.

Now we have to make a thing they can read that gets in the way before they do that. We have to create noise. Yeah. You know, because there can't just be pure signal because I can't control a population that is getting, they're just seeing things as they are. And only, frankly, like, the ideas that come from a community of people that are thinking critically and relate to one another, more often than not, like the people that are saying, hey, X or Y thing is a conspiracy or X and Y people aren't to be trusted are usually finding comfort in the other people that are saying the same thing. It's way less about the actual belief itself, but they get to, oh, I get to wear a very specific uniform and I get to go march certain places and rules. And it weaponizes or uses as a tool these like human, inherent human characteristics of like community and belonging. And it's like if you can-

The hierarchy of needs. It's like giving you food as a rule. Yeah, it's like if you can identify a group that feels aggrieved and feels lonely and can kind of promise. the world's best snake oil to them that's going to fix all of their issues, then you've made a great pitch. And also, you can select for people who are a little dumb. Guilty, you know, like, you know what I mean? It's just like, you can, you can, because there is a bit of a, what's it called, self-fulfilling prophecy there, if you say, hey, everybody come to the town center and there's going to be, you're going to get a dollar. And then that's like, okay, I found a group of people who I can motivate with this, with this carrot.

do you i'm sorry i just remember this movie from the early 2000s called the wave where a high school teacher wanted to show his class what a dictatorship does to influence people you want to show them and he gave a small group of people power in the class and then it got out of control and he recreated non-to germany it's christine stewart stanford prison experiment yeah or stanford prison Yeah, which asterisk does, has like, uh, been shown to be. It's like barely an experiment. A little not. It was a Mr. Beast prank.

It was a, we can maybe watch a little bit of this, but I feel like we could watch more on nights if we want. I just don't know how to believe. Uh, yeah, I got, I got a few videos to watch about some weird bouncing guys in white suits. On the moon. On the so-called moon. Who looks silly. He looked this so-called moon.

They're like not even aura farming. It's crazy. And, like, I thought the moon was supposed to be really hot, and yet we can land on it. That's the sun. What else are we going to talk about on nights? We've got... Yeah, Jacob wrote down, SpongeBob Big Guy Pants, okay. It's going to be a great old time.

That's like a note sap thing you write after in a dream. Like, you get it for a second, write it down, go back to sleep. You're like, I'll remember it in the morning. Yeah. SpongeBob, big guy, pants, okay. But that's on Patreon. dot com slash sadboys using only your discretionary entertainment spending of five dollars a month you can grab all the episodes we ever did done and we're on episode 138 of of premium

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