Sad Boyz - Man-Repelling Outfits of TikTok

Episode Date: August 9, 2024

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. I sniff, I think I made like a, right in the mic, right as you started in a way. Jordan sniffing for 10 hours ASMR. Sounds to fall asleep to. But I do have quite a lot of tics, like quite a lot of like, like mild facial tics. Those don't happen as much anymore. Typically like kind of later in the day. But if I'm especially antsy or something but uh i also tend to look away if i do them or um at least like you know try and couch them in something

and i currently i pick up uh kind of one of a few rotates in you know seasonal and right now it is it is like oh okay pressing my upper lip to my nose kind of sensation and doing a little like a Reddit laugh you know but just like unconsciously and by the time it's already coming out I'm like oh but I'm on camera not something I've noticed as of sitting across from you

you've looked at me more than anyone you've looked at me more in the last couple years than any member of my family for sure yeah I mean same you don't looked at me more in the last couple years than any member of my family. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I mean, same. You don't look at me ever. You're always looking at the ground.

I have to look away from Jordan. I cannot look at you. I have to practice eye contact in social situations because I want to look away, but I started realizing I would be talking to someone and I'd be looking away because I'm to look, look away. But I started realizing like I would be talking to someone and I'd be like looking away cause I'm focused on thinking. And there's like, the reason I look away is because of the visual stimulus being too much and then like just needing

to think. But then when I look away at stuff, I'll be, the person I'm talking to will like look in the direction I'm looking. And I realize I'm signaling to them that I'm looking, there's something to look at. I get in. Yeah. yeah you're like gambling between like is it a greater social faux pas for me to not look them in the eye or to lose what I was saying completely and then like oh yeah what's yeah I mean being a person's hard we don't talk about that enough shout out to anybody out there who's like existing anybody out there that's mental? Yeah. Anybody that's gone, a guy absolutely bar me with it. Oh, man.

I started watching House of the Dragon. Same. Have you not seen any seasons? You're starting from the beginning. No seasons. Started fresh. Started fresh. Same energy. First thought I had was the actress, the first actress I saw looked like a young uh a young queen of dragons

very good casting yeah uh but i guess she's like related i don't know how she's related yet few generations above yeah yeah like great great great great great yeah but but like great casting and then the second thought was like this girl girl's 14 for sure. Look it up. Actress 24 blew my goddamn mind. I was like, what do you mean? What's weird is that obviously, you know,

as the show moves along, they do, you know, she, I believe they do recast when there's like a flash for what I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I think there might be a flash for that.

Must be a weird position to be in that I guess is only the result of knowing that your property is huge and you're at least going to get a few seasons. Because you're on the Game of Thrones follow-up, which regardless of the ire that people have for the final couple seasons, it was the biggest show on TV for a long, long, long, long time. If, maybe still, bulk viewership, I don't know. That and MASH. I feel like everyone always says mash dude shout out to mash i finally looked up what the what fuck mash was i thought it was like maybe like a comedy about a guy that owns a bar no it's a war hook yeah it's vietnam yeah hanging out of vietnam

having a laugh i'll connect this to loss so that people can get their bingo square one of my other friends uh shout out a, is watching Lost Now. And she was talking about how she was live tweeting it and then had to stop because there was just too much happening. And I was like, who are your favorite characters? And she was asking who some of my favorite characters were. And there are characters I mentioned where she was like, wait, you like that character? And I'm like, let him cook. Let him cook.

Let him cook. Let him cook. I'm not going to say much more than that. Some of them, you don't have to let him cook. Some of them, you don't have to let him cook. Some of them, the studio didn't let them cook. Some of them, the network didn't let them cook. I think I kind of feel like I wouldn't just abandon my son.

I'm fired. I'm fired. Oh. Oh, I don't want to. Walt! I came up with the idea of cooking. And you fired me. But they would always mention MASH in the official Lost podcast

back when Lost was airing. And that was where I learned the most about MASH because Carlton Cuse was old. He was an old white guy. And he just never shut up about MASH and I think that that's in my mind. I was like, if you are 60, 70 years old, you just talk about MASH

all the time. My parents loved MASH. I hated it. It was such a boring show. Is there one where the theme is like there was a bullfrog? No. The theme is instrumental. It has no lyrics. Until now.

Robert Altman is the famous director who directed that. Oh, yeah. Weird. He's like a very famous, like, 70s director. But he... It's like naturalistic hanging out in Vietnam. I think it is, right? Isn't it a lot

of hanging out? Well, they're in the Korean War. Korean War. But it was made during the Vietnam War. It was made during Vietnam War. As a sort of like a- The anti-war thing, right? Anti-war thing, yeah. And everyone was like, yeah, okay, anti-Korean War.

I'm like, no, anti all of the wars. Don't do the current one. We're talking about all of them. Okay. But Vietnam's good, right? We're doing this one? Oh, the reason I sent this is because the first thought I had was they had some names in this fucking show. Dude.

I was like, why does this go so fucking hard? This one really did feel like, you know, George Martin. He loves his lore, he loves his base universe. Wait, can we shout out the creator on that real quick? Lamar Carlos underscore on TikTok. Incredible work. Well, question. When or why, I guess,

was the catalyst for you wanting to make more eye contact? Did you get feedback or something? Or you saw someone else? I'm one of those people who's like, every social interaction I have, I have like a debrief with myself or it just comes back. It's like a recurring. The hangover?

The hangover, yeah, exactly. Where I just go, what did I do and why did I do it? Who am I? And I think that that was something. And it was also just seeing people look and having to go, oh, sorry. Right, okay. just seeing people look and having to go oh sorry right okay and then so it's almost like i caught myself because i was um having to be like no sorry i just do that what i'm thinking yes okay and then also hearing other people there there have been people i've been around where they've complained about someone who like wouldn't make eye contact with them and i'm like okay bad that's bad not making eye contact people don't interpret that as

what i'm thinking about it as which is like oh sorry i gotta think yeah they think of it as like oh i don't want to personalize with you maybe this is a weird comparison but i sort of feel like so i was very similar i'm okay with eye contact now but the main reason is that i when i started a patreon my cole my very first manager yeah week one just pointed out that i was just just not with him i was because i was like thinking i'm nervous i'm trying to engage right and uh you know we'll slip up our brains are wonky everyone's brains a little wonky does it feel like other like adhd or neurotypical behaviors like like losing track of time being late and not wanting that oh actually better example um entering like a depression spiral or just energy completely dropping uh

without you anticipating it at all and then having to cancel plans or really wanting to cancel plans and not like high priority plans but just like grabbing lunch or something yeah canceling the day before and it is not reflective of my care or how i feel about you it is just like a it's a if it's okay with you it's just going to kind of be a factor because i haven't figured this out yet right and i get why on first glance it does feel like a disregard. It's like, I'm not making the eye contact, but it's because I'm actually very invested in the conversation and I want to make sure I'm engaged with it. I'm not pretending.

But I get the human instinct to be like, well, they canceled on me. They must not like me as much. Or I'm making eye contact with me. They must not care as much. Yeah, exactly. It fills the same void. And there's no hard and fast i love

zoom calls because i don't make eye contact with anyone i don't look at i don't look at the screen usually i'm looking directly up yeah yeah usually my laptop is closed and i'm late i love it i love it or if i'm you know we had a meeting recently where there was like a big screen and some people were calling in and there were people in person and And it's like, I kind of preferred to like look at the screen because I didn't have to look at people. And then talking, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I still now, I like do the thing. It almost feels very mechanical

where I'm like checking in with everybody. And that's what I have to remind myself to do. It's like, okay, as long as I'm checking in with everybody, then they, and it's easier for me to talk to a group of people than it is to talk to for one individual person because i don't have to have unbroken eye contact for any extended period of time with one person and if you want to do the engagement part you then you're like i spun the plate hey i'll take the plate you take a little dab around bring the plate back when you want me to take the plate for a little while but on the complete opposite side i make a lot of i i have a staring problem where when i'm scanning i like always look at people in the eyes like not even necessarily in a conversation just just

looking around i i like realize i'm doing it so i don't do it if that makes sense but i just know that my instinct is to stare like if i'm like walking down the street, I'm looking at everybody. Yes. Yeah. When you know you have some effective sunglasses on, the summer can ruin my brain. If I'm wearing sunglasses enough while I'm out and about, I'm free to stare. I'm free to purr.

And I don't know why I do it. I think I do that too. But do you ever like accidentally make eye contact with someone in a crowd and then you feel weird about it and then it was like oh they probably think i'm like weird but then it's like they did the same thing that you did exactly they were also making yeah because i used to start yelling you're bad i'm good i remember in high school i had a crush who sat like two seats to the right of me and i remember i would just always like look at them but i'm like why i why am i i like realize it's like so embarrassing in retrospect

that i would always just like glance over and i'm like, it's so obvious that that's what I'm doing. And I'm like, Oh, how old are you in this? Like 17, 16, 17. That is the puff.

That's like the exact point in time where you still have that weird, like membrane around your head where you don't realize what you're doing. And you're not aware of the weird shit. You might end up like, like just being completely slack jawed or like looking at something, but you're also old enough to know shit you might end up like like just being completely slack-jawed or like looking at something yeah but you're also old enough to know how weird that is you know you stand when you're a five-year-old because you're not self-aware yeah and like it's not too weird but you know if you ever see like i got like a uh my niece will do this she'll kind of

just stand on her arms and just like kind of flopping it's like fidgeting and like kind of learning that it's almost like when you i feel feel, okay, this is my little pet theory. I feel like you have a little bit of access to that feeling of lack of dexterity if you try to write with your non-dominant hand. Because you're like, oh, suddenly I'm not in fine control of this anymore. Or I thought I knew this. playing a left-handed arcade stick, left-handed arcade stick. Like all these things, they really like going through that arc of, uh, I have, do not have fine motor control to like getting better at it is like a really,

it's really rewarding. Um, but it's also kind of crazy just to think about how many things you develop over your lifetime that are just like muscle memory that you're like, just have fine, fine control of. I think it feels like a good that you're like, just have fine, fine control of. I think it feels like a good reference point for like, I don't know,

social and political bias where you just believe you believe something so comfortably like, Hey, yeah, everyone can read. You can just read. You look at the thing, you just read.

Yeah. Come on. Everybody knows the same principle. I do. Everyone can understand that we're all not racist, but some people are pretending. Some people are very, very, very sincerely racist. They love doing it. They enjoy it, and they're good at it.

They're good at being racist. It's interesting. And it's like such a, it makes it a much higher lift to just be like, well, I'll use facts and logic to change their mind. Yeah. I'm like, you actually should be writing with your other hand. I'd say one of my biggest flaws as a person.

Oh, hang on, I'll get my list. Yeah, okay. No, no, no, no, this one's for me. Face, way of being, personality, not funny. Not these. Wrong. Wrong. That's the thing I'm sensitive about.

One of them just says wrong. Is thinking that with the right like argument or logic i can like convince someone that of like my way of viewing things like i'm not gonna be able to argue with like a racist or whatever but the amount of times i've been like no you just don't understand where I'm coming from, or you're just wrong and you just need to be corrected. And then to someone is no, I just, I think I assume that someone else is open-minded to hearing a dissenting viewpoint and changing their mind because I am, because I always assume that I'm wrong until proven otherwise. Like I have to, you know, have a lot of evidence of something before

i like am fully in belief of it for most things you do have too much uh tolerance of uh people in that bad faith the criticism online yeah i always talk to the pastor like what do you think of this and i'm like oh we should like beat him up you should like find where this is well i'm like well maybe there's like a modicum of truth in the message that said you i hate you and you should die and i'm like well maybe there's i've given them a reason to hate me i wonder if i should follow up about critical feedback and i am cutting up a vogue magazine to use the letters to show it's not my handwriting and then sending them it as well it's from my account yeah i have a baby in my life.

Oh, congratulations. I have a friend who's a baby. Oh, okay. Congratulations. Yeah, how old until it's a friend? Yeah, okay. Because two of my very, very good friends had a baby. Is that baby my friend now?

Not yet. Because that baby doesn't know about friendship. They have to consent to the friendship. Your friends, they might be forever. It's like you can send a friend request, but they can only be, they have to be a certain age before they can accept a friend request. I feel like even if they can be like 25 and I feel like if you've known them since they were a baby and you're still friends with their parents,

that's my friend's child, my friend's son. Yeah. Well, um. My friend's son's in college. It's interesting because you don't think about how like much babies have to learn to do.

Like they don't know how to digest food. Oh, they're dumb. They're so stupid and they're broke. They don't work. They're not strong. They know no jutsus.

That's all. Yeah. They like literally, they lose everything while I'm wrestling. They don't know the way of the samurai. They don't follow the code of Bushido whatsoever

Let's not joke around that though Because that is a code that I follow You've got to build a Bushido deck in Magic Because there's a keyword Bushido From a Kamigawa block Back when I was in middle school And it's all about samurai What if I turn up and I'm so serene

As a result I feel like maybe the best gift I could ever give you back when, you know, you would have a patron goals. Like if we ever hit a hundred thousand dollars a month on the Patreon, we would buy you a replica samurai suit, like a full, full samurai gear, like plate mail, like full mannequin in my living room where it sits. Yeah. No. And then we would have to to you would enroll you in classes to actually learn the way of the bushido we install that's not uh if that's like ethical to do install a concealed compartment in my uh in my house right i push a book in and it opens and the full equipment is ready yeah i have and it's got like lights. It's got like all spotlight and stuff.

They all actually like that. There's like LED lights inside of the mask. Wakasashi available for indoor combat. My full long bow is there. I try using it. I trip too heavy. You just step in and it adheres to your body. Oh, you're a samurai Iron Man.

Wait, hold on. We might be onto something. Marvel? This turns into that guy that bought the power rangers suit oh yeah i love him i mean that guy's awesome we let the record show that that guy who uh first of all was a really good sport he like commented on the podcast episode i think he's the best because I am such a big proponent, especially as someone who's like, I've been getting back into magic. I've never not been into Pokemon. Just like really like keeping that part of you

that's like connected to your childhood, I think is really special. I think irony poisoning, it's fun to be, you know, goofy, shitposts online, whatever. Anybody that's still overly invested in like um i am fluent in sarcasm like just two in it yeah it's kind of robbing themselves of sincere joy even if you don't want to like publish it make it public yeah to cringe us to be free to be cringe us to be free and that said i like yucking some yubs a little bit now and

then a little bit it doesn and then. A little bit. It doesn't have to be valid. Some of you just be like, I like this band. I'm like, no. They're actually wrong. They're like, why? I haven't listened to it. I know.

I did recently meet somebody who I was taking it back a bit where I would say that I like something and they'd be like, oh, I hate that thing. Are we still doing that? It feels like that school thing feels a little bit. But I don't know how strongly they feel it and i just like smile and nod because i'm like how much can someone really mean this uh or like the you should see some of the replies i get because on my dating app profile i have a thing about how i don't like olives but i'm like being a little bit hyperbolic because

hyperolic you've been hyperolic, I think? I'm sorry. I could be here all day. Hyperolive. I'm a little bit hyperbolic just because I know it'll incite a response. But the type of responses I get sometimes, people are like personally offended that I don't like olives, which is like very silly because i could

have any number of valid reasons for not liking olives that are like related to like i don't know dietary restrictions or acidity or something who knows just oh i could do it i don't like olives the taste is fine they killed my entire family yeah and you don't know sorry sorry yeah like you have no your palate is undeveloped yeah is it do you think it's a genuine people being have there ever been any that is like you're stupid yeah like not well i have i have gotten that but i do think they're still riffing it's just that like some people don't know how to riff or have a completely different riffing strategy that i don't it's like a negging type situation yes and maybe sometimes i i uh i got a message the other day from um friend i haven't spoken to in a while but we were catching up and

they're like what do you think of this hinge message they sent and the feedback i gave them is that it's just so long it had the um structure the uh of of the paragraph structure and length of a breakup text. Oh. Or like a waking up at 3 a.m. and the girl sent you all gray. You know, you're like, what's going on? One of those. And I think the main reason is just like, that is a riff style.

And it's not necessarily an objectionable one. And it's kind of funny. Like if we're all in the group chat, and then one of us just goes really hard on writing a long extended text as long as it's not an important conversation going on and it's just like i'm talking about myself sometimes it can be fun i don't know if everybody else enjoys it but if i just write up like yeah i've been studying the way of the blade and then provide the wikipedia link to prosciutto or something it is a a context sensitive and I want to operate on the assumption that most people don't want say like

a super acidic kind of riffing like you're talking about or an overly long bit of riffing there's like a default back and forth. You can't guess, you can't like take such a big swing like frame one. Start corny start like a little bit corny. Start a little bit and like work

your way into it or it's like someone gives you you know it's like sometimes i'll kind of try to match someone's freak so to speak yeah but sometimes beats are the freak if they speak the freak then i might be the geek freak hello why are you blogging me did i give you the i then then I gave you the ick I have I have maybe acid reflux right now I don't know what it is I'm like have such a like discomfort in my throat

and like lower chest region broken heart and it's from losing my love to olives yeah do you feel worse about green versus black olives And it's from losing my love to olives. Yeah. Do you feel worse about green versus black olives, by the way? I think black olives are less pungent. Cheers.

Green olives, F. My story, I think I've told it before, is that once in college, I ordered a pizza, except for I accidentally, either it was my accident, probably, or the accident of the pizza shop where they put green, I wanted green peppers and they put green olives everywhere. And I picked them all off and it still just tasted so strongly of olives. Yeah, it's over. And-

It's cooked. You can try and wipe the sauce off the pizza, but- That was, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't get the taste of olives out of my mouth by brushing my teeth. It was so strong. I actually don't mind olives, but it's just fun to have a strong opinion on a dating app because it gives people something to talk about.

With low stakes. With low stakes because it's not really important. I wonder if that's... But then when we treat it with importance, then I don't know if they're joking or not. And I don't. I'm nothing wrong with strong opinions. And some people even like arguing about arbitrary stuff. Yeah. i don't know if they're joking or not and i don't it's i'm nothing wrong with strong opinions and some people even like arguing about arbitrary stuff yeah i i don't i don't mind like a silly back and forth but i don't like a i don't like debate and i do i do have some

friends who yeah i don't like less these days but like have had a habit of like you get into something that's pretty arbitrary and the heat kind of starts to rise and you get probably through and you're like this is because this is okay it's kind of weird and they're like yeah i'm just debating i mean i don't want to do that i don't want to do that i had an experience recently where uh we uh we're playing magic the gathering which we'll talk about but uh but everybody was like joking about me in a way where i was like okay it's like starting to feel like a pile on and i'm like can we just i like want to keep rolling with the punches but i'm also like can we like take the heat off of me for a sec

like i'm trying to give signals and like that didn't feel great um because I was being like okay all right let's change the subject um and but then like I sort of talked to the friends afterward and it was like oh like I was under the impression that like we were just joshing and I'm like for sure I do feel that way but it was just kind of like unadulterated like just joking at my expense and i was like i can only take so much of that i need a little bit of variety yeah you know it's like it's kind of like that example of like hey canceling plans context knowing you knowing. I will try to be as understanding as possible. Yeah.

But tolerance level, if someone could like know that maybe that's wobbling me, I don't want to be the person that's like, stop, stop it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm like smiling and nodding and I'm like, all right, okay, let's move on. Turning away the eye that's got a single TA rolling out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know. I need to learn the proper way to give that signal without trying to ruin the vibe.

So you've taken a bit of the magical pill, I've heard. I've taken the magical pill. I should set right before, though, because I don't know. Oh, please. Jacob, I sent you an an image we'll pull that up in a sec i just want to say this is related to something we've been working on for a while it's been kind of a tease okay are we talking about that in this episode is it gonna be well i actually don't know what you're talking about uh so i think we did a thing for it yesterday oh we have teased that here is an image related to that i have been pre-selected for a venmo credit card i remember this based on my account history no impact to my credit score

if declined don't like that you said pre-approved no so you've been selected to apply but see previously you'd been pre-approved so i'm wondering if there's something that happened to your credit oh you're oh so well so venmo and paypal are connected in that paypal owns venmo so they might be talking to each other they notice you didn't you didn't go for the paypal credit cards now they're starting to oh you think from a place of resentment they've yeah they're like well you can fucking apply to a venmo card you've been unapproved yeah we disapprove we disapprove of you so you can apply to some venmo shit uh that's it nothing no other announcements or teasers amen congrats thank you so much in the vein of us talking about um being you let me see that i had to do blood work yesterday

where's your burn how'd you burn time let's see. Jarvis got singed. Oh, look, it's black. Oh, badass. Jarvis got singed at the merch shoot by a live steamer. Yeah, it was a very hot steamer. It was like steaming hot. And he was like, ouch. And then was like, I'm totally fine. And we're like, no, maybe like. Well, because I was like, I was a little bit like,

did I just imagine that it was hot? Because everybody was like, well, the steamer is off. And then I was like, it is plugged in. But then I was like, put lotion on it. And you're like, it's a part of my body. I don't care. Yeah, I don't care. Which is a very solid point. But I did put lotion on it.

But I didn't put lotion on it. I don't know if anybody's noticed these. There's no point. These are just fucking long ass and like these. Oh, I was going gonna ask you about that this it is i i uh i had uh as a vegetable i break constantly break glasses for some reasons i buy them in bulk and i uh few weeks ago whenever i first got these uh i broke those glasses the little metal portions were there and then one of the lenses came out and that part was broken and i they just scratched me here i don't remember them scratching me here at all

and it was completely superficial no blood no nothing oh whoa i was supposedly this is also like maybe an eds thing could be could be but hours and hours later just i don't know month old scars at this point no idea thankfully it's part of my body i don't care about yeah and glasses go on the face so it could have been a lot worse i was no i i forgot to ask you about it because the first time i saw it i was like is everything like what happened have i always had to be used uh to be fair this one actually those scars are in the same area that are no longer there like i accidentally got one across here my tattooist was pissed off because it was the same day oh oh sorry q but yeah i'm ashamed in the vein of uh things that you thought you were past in your life and then when like uh when you're younger

being unconscious of things and then now as an an adult being like, you can't do that. This is embarrassing now. I went to a friend of ours' birthday the other night on Friday. I had made them a little gift. I made them little magic cards. The avid magic players. It's a card game. I'll have to look into it.

For losers and me. I love magic. I was watching the EOC and they talk about it there's a clip of Adam Brody saying that he loves magic I've been kind of obsessed with it but I went to this party and I made them these little magic cards

and I wasn't satisfied with them so instead of going on time i ended up turning up super late it was a big old busy party went late turned out to be fine but i'm like i don't like them these aren't actually viable i don't think i just made proxies just did the base another one right no i want to make them myself and i spent like an hour and a half scrolling through what would actually be a viable card it's i'm sure it doesn't meet the jedi curve but it is you know i think they're at least interesting to play with use them in different contexts i mean these little cards

and the whole time i was doing that i'm just i'm sipping away on my ipa i'm drinking stone my favorite it's not as high on the on the abv as my other favorites so you know it's nice to take a sippy sip plays my 80s lock me up up. Sleeve some magic cards, lock me up. Lock you up. I killed a man, lock me up. Is it going to ruin the tour? The magic world tour. That's the biggest.

Yeah. I got a little tipsier than I typically would. You know, I'm a big boy. I got some decent tolerance because i'm just sipping and sipping and then going like oh and then should this have trampled no no no that would that would be unbalanced unless i lower the toughness and then maybe you're becoming a game designer and then i finally started making other ones i was just having fun and i'm like oh shit i'm late i should go it's a costume party i barely have anything i'll try and improvise something

improvise it head out arrive typically i don't drink that much at parties because i only like ipas these days they have exactly the ipa i like they were like i'm zipping more i knock out a few more i'll admit it yeah uh hanging out a few friends of ours if you and emily are there yeah we're having a laugh chatting my first time hanging out with em. Oh yeah. And so we, we, you know, tighten everyone's chatting.

I knocked back maybe three, maybe four months. Oh shit. I don't know. Oh no. Now I'm drunk. Okay. On booze.

Okay. Okay. Alcohol wise. Neat. I reckon don't drink like this. This is, regardless of whether or not you're a drinking person.

I can't drink like this. It's not sustainable. I have less than half of that and I just start to feel sick. I feel sick right now. It ruined the, the next. The tour. It's not sustainable. I have less than half of that, and I just start to feel sick. I feel sick right now. It ruined the next. The tour. It ruined the tour.

The world day. That was actually when I started watching House of the Dragon, because I was so hungover, I couldn't move. Do you want to know my side of this? So I, we were talking about not turning up to things when we're tired. I had a bit of a crash, because I was working on some magic decks also, but for the nerd i was lying i would never um i don't know when it comes out but i was on uh commander at home it's probably

out but i don't know yeah because they we didn't have like specific dates because they've got to move some stuff around for some release schedule stuff but uh for sets because they did some pre-release stuff but um I was burning the candle at both ends. I was driving back and forth to like Frank and son's collectible show, grabbing cards, grabbing singles, testing. I was so exhausted and I did, I wanted to take a nap and I had something else to do at 8 PM and then I was going to show up at the party later, but I took a nap at like six and then I woke up at eight and I canceled my 8 o'clock plans and I canceled going to the party. I just sent a photo of me in bed and I was like, I don't think I'm going to make it.

I'm so tired. And then I slept for like the next 13 hours. But then later I caught up with them. And this side of the story was – and if this is the grand shame you can you can let me know but uh or slash we can we can cut it but it was like i'm about to be embarrassed but i think i did no no no no i don't think so oh great i think it was just that you were out late yeah oh because they were like jordan showed up at 12, 12 and then we were up till six. Oh yeah.

No, dude. I, I, I was operating on the schedule of all of my most fun gay friends. I was, I was a metropolitan area, gay friends out on the night hours. Yeah. Great time. I think it's cause I was operating on a, yeah, I spent four or five hours at a party. And because you've done to that time and they go late. I feel like our friends these days don't tend to go super crazy. I'm an on a, yeah, I spent four or five hours at a party because I turned to that time. And then you go late.

I feel like our friends these days don't tend to go super crazy. I'm an early, I'm usually now the first to leave of any function. Early to rise? I'll like kind of arrive a little late, but then I'll stay in my pocket of like an hour or two. And then I start to think about the sleep I need. And I start to think about the sleep i need and i start to think about the time i need to wake up in the morning or something else that i need to do and then i just leave yeah that's um a coward i mean it's kind of i think i'm a coward yeah it's fair

i mean me uh i'm actually trying to push it over true that's the craft um i got drunk real good time meet lots of people, have a lovely time. Things get quiet, realize what time it is, I head home. Got to get Foxy out of her crate. She's hanging out in her crate. I take her out, want to go on a quick pee before she goes to sleep. She always like doing that real quick. It's sunny, it's bright.

We're out in the world. She gets really excited because I've been gone a little longer than i would typically go out she's all psyched up and we're immediately going on a walk so her adrenaline's through the roof i'm barking we're both howling at the moon you're both jumping up and down we're howling at the moon that isn't out anymore because i got back so late we go out and sometimes when fox, she's a little wee one, she gets so excited that she just starts running. And right now she was on, the leash was on her collar, which is not normally, normally she has a harness.

Right. But we didn't have that. I think the harness got lost and we bought a new one. The rate that she started running, I was like, whoa, careful. I don't want you to get hurt. So I kind of, I walk a little faster to keep up with her. She's got stubby little caterpillar legs. She's not going to go crazy fast.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's going crazy fast. And I, in my drunken state, I'm like, I'm Usain Bolt. You are bolting? I'm wearing loose, ill-fitting, slipping, no traction house slippers uh and white pants and a white shirt oh because it lined up i was trying to dress like a peasant it was a fantasy-esque costume body i try running i try catching her speed i fail dramatically she stops to look at me because she'll just do that almost loops me i lose a shoe flies off i fall over funniest image in the world by the way someone falling over from their shoes coming off

yeah that is like that's like it's like a cartoon punching someone up and their shoes stay there there's an outline of them it's like running through a wall in your outlines like hilarious i fall when i say i ate shit uh it it was i'm so glad I was drunk so I wasn't embarrassed till the next day. Broad daylight, everyone that's up and around are people with like real jobs and are going places. Right. And often, you know, people with families that, you know, understand the parameters of falling over. Like their kids will fall and they're like, oh, do you need help or something?

Fell, that fucker's from there. Got a really nasty looking one on here that I won't even show on camera. It's nothing crazy. The long one, I, all the no one gamers out there, if you got like blown up in like Halo 3 and when you fly through the air, your arms are doing this. I felt like I had the same like physical consistency of that.

Hit the ground, I'm pebbled up. I'm thinking to myself, I should start watching House of the Dragon. I should fall asleep without brushing my teeth and putting my Invisalign in. That's what I need. Yeah, that happens a lot to me. I go limp home. I realize my white pants are unwashably bloody.

Like, there's just nothing I can do with it. Throw them away. Realize two days later that I threw them away. Oh, no. I go like, why do I have my white pants? I haven't been able to wear those. Yeah. Gone.

And here is where the great shame becomes a great question. As an adult, when you fall over because speaking to the you know crafts that we're supposed to have mastered standing up ages ago so long ago we got that one dude no one's gonna bring it up no one really would be bothered i'm sure most people if even if they saw me wouldn't even remember it now i'm certainly not going to publish it to thousands of people until they hear about this and make fun of me via DM. Don't do that. What's the deal with being our age,

completely aware of what is and isn't something to be ashamed or guilty about, and that knowledge to be absolutely nothing to comfort? Like after hanging out with people. I don't know. Does that change? Maybe. Oh, Anastasia's shaking her head. Anastasia's shaking her head. Anastasia's 60 years old,

by the way, for reference. Hello. She's from the South. I just found. I'm a little old Southern lady. Where you have to see a gold prospector also. Anastasia's covered in coal. You just

reminded me of my last great fall. I also have a great fall story. Oh, Jesus. So my last great fall, I may have told it on the podcast before. I was on my way to work. I must have worked at Yelp at the time because I was taking the BART and Patreon wasn't near a BART stop, so I wasn't going to Patreon. Okay, so last great fall 10 years going to Patreon. So last great fall, 10 years ago.

That was my last great fall. I've fallen since probably. I do have a lot of trips and catch myself because I'm like, like I can, I have like, I'm decently, unexpectedly nimble, I guess. You got fighter's feet. But my last great fall like

this one was uh uh i was i was walking i feel like i was also wearing white and it's relevant because it had like rained and in in san francisco downtown san francisco or in the mission there's not a lot of soil however there's like two patches i managed to slip in a like mud slick and i like slid all the side of my body like the entire side of my body was just covered in mud somehow i like my shoe was covered in mud. Just the entire side of me. It was like, it was like I was a skateboard being grinded into the mud. You got 50-50'd. I got 50-50'd on the mud. I went home. I took off my clothes.

I took a shower. I got back into my bed. Wait, what time is it? Probably 10 a.m. Oh, okay. I got back into my bed and I was like, we're going to pretend that didn't happen. And we're going to try to start this whole day over. Yeah.

And just like, like reroll, dude, we have to try. We have to start a new, my guy died. I'm getting a new, I'm going warlock.

Yeah, no, literally. Yeah. That's what it felt like. It felt like I started my, my character, my character died and I had to respect.

This is like quick look. That didn't happen. Yeah, that didn't happen actually. False start actually. I save scummed on life. What was your great fall story? Well, I guess I have. Seeing you fall over.

Yeah, I was watching. I'm binocular. No, I'm a very opposite of Jarvis. I'm very not coordinated person. I fall a lot. And I am much like my friend who's a baby. I'm still maybe learning how to use my limbs a little bit. And so, yeah, many. And you reminded me of one where I was on BART. You gotta stay away from this damn train. Hurrying up the escalator because I don't even know why. Because I remember I was specifically going up the escalator, not down.

So I'm not trying to catch a train, but I'm like running up the escalator in a very packed BART station. And I fall and my knee hits that jagged edge of the escalator step. It rips my jeans. As in the corner of the step, shaped like a cyber truck that I like rigged for no pleasure. And it rips my jeans. I'm bleeding. And also I feel like my knee doesn't work anymore. Are you hitting the cap or are you hitting the funny bone equivalent? Yeah, I feel like you hit it and it's like one of those tuning forks

where it's just like you're rendered useless for a few moments. A perfect A-shop. It was definitely not, I think it was the sort of funny bone part of the front of the knee. And but there's tons of people in there and I didn't want to look like a baby. So I'm like, I'm fine. And I stand up and there's a bunch of strangers being like, oh, my God, are you OK? And I'm like, yes, I'm fine. And I like stand up and I like try to walk up more. And also I'm scared of being like on the ground when the escalator ends. Yeah, you don't want to get sucked into the escalator. Go to the underdark or whatever that takes you.

I've got the image in my head of you falling backwards for 50 years. Unable to get constantly moving up. That's my life now. And so I pretend I'm fine, but I'm like very obviously not fine. Like I can't, my knees like not functioning and I'm like trying to get not sucked in. And like all these people keep saying, are you okay? And it's making it worse because I'm like so embarrassed.

You're not supposed to go over there with a kid and be like, oh. You have to be like, hey, it's fine. Good job, you got up! Or whatever. You start going, Yeah, my little bottom lip is quivering. Yeah. This is, we all went Humpty Dumpty mode. We had great falls. But we put ourselves back together again. The story about

Humpty Dumpty is that no one can put them back together again. Correct. Yeah. Then we're not Humpty Dumpty. I think this is absolutely not my bit. bit unfortunately I think it's a gervais bit but old one when he was funny and he didn't know how to hate as much as he does now I'm sure he would have he just didn't I guess know about the other people right he had a humpty dumpty bit and pointed out that at no point in that story do they ever say he's an egg oh yeah that is something we have created as a

fiction he's who is he though he's a guy there is a mystery there or some sort of story but i guess if it's a guy's legs came off and they put it but let me i think we should probably move on just because of uh timing we want to get no let's do 50 minutes on humpty dumpty i'm having a lovely time um i should say teaser uh potentially for the Patreon episode, if my beloved wakes up in time, I'm going to ask if I can call her, put her on speakerphone, and she can tell the story of her last grateful, which was at your Halloween party, like two Halloween parties.

Ooh. Today we have a TikTok trend. It's a conversation that's happening a lot on TikTok about the idea that a lot of women might choose an outfit because they know that men will leave them alone. And then we as men are here to decide whether or not we would leave them alone. And then we as men are here to decide whether or not we would leave them alone or if we'd harass.

We'd go, no, your tricks won't work on me. I'm here to harass you. I know you both are super into like every Friday, every Saturday going to the clubs, trying to get as many numbers as possible. And then whoever gets the most numbers wins the night as the coolest boy. I've never had a day.

Coolest boy. You get to sit on the high chair at dinner. You get to be elevated above everybody else. I get to tell everyone in the Discord chat that I, quote, bagged abroad. She gave me a fake phone number. Turns out it goes directly to T-mobile

customer support there's a uh there's like an employee of the month style like cork board that has the best the best boy the the what do we call it the biggest baddest boy it's like when you get to take the like goldfish to your place over the weekend of school or something except it's a fedora yeah you get to take the goldfish home and then uh and then your dad said uh it went it got flushed down the train because uh it wanted to go on a field trip but yeah and it'll be back but we don't know when and you get a little it looks like a sheriff's star badge but it says i'm very strong on it it says i feel good actually all the time i wore a neon green sash in fifth grade because I was a part of the safety patrol, I think it was called. Oh my God.

Yeah. So I was a fucking narc, dude. That is rough. They were like hall monitor ass, like narc boys. that I found interesting about this is the disagreement amongst women of what men like and don't like. The other thing is like, I feel like men are so, they're always giving their unsolicited opinion. So I feel like, you know how men do the smile more, you should smile more thing. I feel like I'm worried. I the smile more you should smile more thing i feel like i'm worried i'll just say that i'm worried that someone could be wearing a man repellent

outfit and someone could be like let me give you a few notes yeah you shouldn't wear this outfit because uh it's repelling men so you should actually wear a corset he's wearing one of the two h&m hoodies he has sweat marks on both yellowed on the corners frayed no the underwear is more holes than fabric at that point he's like actually you need listen to me excuse me come back okay take your headphones out over here let's see what man repellent outfits i see a lot of discourse on tiktok about the male repellent outfit and usually it's just like a cute little red cardigan and like maybe some ballet flats but when i tell you i'm gonna do you one more this is the ultimate male repellent formula because whenever i go out in public dressed like this no man dares to approach me because they genuinely all think i'm a witch or something all you have to do is dress like you don't belong in this era and then add as many

ruffles and frills as possible and then put on every single piece of jewelry in your closet trust me whenever i go out in public wearing a tank top and cut off shorts i feel like i get harassed but um whenever i wear this like it it works i'm just gonna say that and yeah you know the feedback i hear a lot of the comment i've heard a lot you know is like a lot of the people we know they go to a ren fair and the one thing they say is repelled no annoying people coming up to me asking you to have photos with me putting their arm around me on my lower waist that never happened i mean look this is like i can't speak to her experience but because i whom i to deny it oh well i'll say it sickening you know i obviously

am repelled yeah we cut it but you actually threw up a little bit oh yeah because i because to me this person looks like a goddess uh and so i'm like i i guess that comment i would be repelled in that i'd be so uh i wouldn't feel like i belong to exist in the same ethereal plane as this person. I would be repelled into the ground praying. Okay. Like all of these are like, you look incredible. You're a goddess.

You're, you know. As a male, we are indeed scared to approach someone who looks like a goddess who could strike me down with a bolt of lightning. Oh, and then no. Oh, okay. Wait, they did say, I'll be completely honest. After reading all the comments under this video, I can acknowledge that this TikTok may have backfired. Yeah, I can understand that.

I mean, but we've got to see more to understand. Also, I mean, I do think there's something to like, I wouldn't approach in the street at all. I think there is a weird sample size. Yeah, I was going to say, the normal, like the man repellent outfit that works on me is anything. It's being in the street at all. I think there's a weird sample size. Like the man repellent outfit that works on me is anything. It's being in the street. I don't want to come up to strangers.

I'm so afraid because I don't want to inconvenience someone. I know I'm repellent in that way. I'm always repelled. I need someone to say, hey, come talk to me. Hey. Okay. Obey. Yeah.

I need to be summoned like a familiar to their side right they have to say me call me by name by my government name three times in a row mistress you summoned me absolutely we we are not a decent a good sample size plenty of people come up and oh i know every time i but i think that's what's it's just that's just what's so interesting about this is like the experiment sample size of people that would normally come up to them say is always going to be the most annoying and creepiest people who can't read those cues and they're probably way over indexed on outfits and like presentation they're probably like oh long dress she's uh she's uh she's overly she's not right for me it sucks if this even has to be like a discussion you know yeah like the the women feel

like not feel the need but like have to do something like this to get men out of their business because every woman i know is like constantly like getting unwanted like uh interaction from random dudes and not able to well more often than not the stories they tell are of them saying no and that not being the end of the conversation it's not a like someone coming up and be like hey um would you like to go out sometime and saying like or can i have your instagram apparently an epidemic right now yeah i guess to buffer asking for a phone number your Instagram? It's apparently an epidemic right now. Yeah. I guess to buffer asking for a phone number, it's like, it's just an Instagram.

Oh, I mean, Katie has a hilarious story about that. Oh, the pokey girl thing. But first, Anastasia, what's your experience with this? This is probably a thing. And like, it is kind of funny. The outfits that I wear that get compliments from women are very different than the ones that I think men would be attracted to. And that's based on just like, I guess, I don't know what men are attracted to.

I think there's a mythology that's been built up amongst anyone that would talk to you or any guy that would like chip in on like well actually this is what that outfit means objectively i'm usually the kind of people that have like an algorithmic view of women and are like women actually wear makeup to attract them yeah that's what it's for i think a lot of men don't want women to wear too much makeup well they want a natural look but but with makeup on they want the natural version of what they think natural is right like they don't want to notice they're like if i be what i'm hearing is that men have given women a very narrow space to occupy that is acceptable to them but um two things first of all jarvis and i were on an improv team with a guy who, uh, once said, I know people say you shouldn't approach random women, but I've had a lot of success doing that.

And I was like, pardon? And I, I was asking him questions about it because I was thoroughly creeped out by him. And, um, this was an improv team that was from a class, right? We didn't choose to be on the team with him? We didn't choose to be on the team, but we were placed on a team with him. Got it, got it, got it. And you might not, this was very late in the game that he said this. So I feel like maybe you weren't with us as much at that point. You know who I, I have a guess of who it is.

Yeah, we shouldn't say the name on the show but i knew it that's the name for it i'll say it without saying the name that is perfect name for the i see i didn't know that but it makes sense it's in the realm of like adrian yeah i feel like he had he was very quiet and the more i got to know what was dwight shrewd's uh brother's name mose it was like a name like that but um and and so i asked him a lot of questions about like who do you choose to go up to when do you go up to them like how do you approach it blah blah it sounds like you're looking for tips but like where would i even find these but i was kind of i was curious because i was, and also what is success to you? That's the thing. And especially ratio wise,

if he speaks to a thousand people, five of them say yes, that's a lot of people. I think it's like, and I guess there's not, I don't think there needs to be a hard and fast rule about whether or not you can approach people in public. But I think that if you are to approach people in public,

you have to do so without the expectation of a romantic interaction. And the context of what is public? Are they in motion? Is it in a train station? In the context of, am I inconveniencing someone? Yeah. But his examples were inconvenient. It's like on BART, on the way to work,

a woman sitting by herself at a cafe that I'm walking past. Like on this, you know, on an outdoor seating. Pickup artist mythology includes like. It does feel like that. He actually had that coding, I think. They do that so you'll sit next to them. He would wear like a, you know, a leather jacket that just feels like it's like the secret or something.

Oh, yeah. He's like, this is my flair. So someone thinks I'm interesting. Exactly. I've got a jacket and some jeans called Revite. Revite 9-11. But as far as the way I dress and my experience with this, I don't know if this is actually true.

I've never done a study on it. But my brain tells me that I prefer to dress kind of androgynously or like more masculine than maybe some women do and that that is my brain being like we'll be left alone the way that we dress and also having short hair versus long hair I think straight men tend to like long hair and having short hair and the next TikTok we'll watch. At first I thought she had a shaved head and I was like, that's how you do it. Have a shaved head. But she doesn't. Just because dudes like it's the type of thing that a guy goes viral every week going like, I can't believe women do this. Why would they get rid of their beautiful locks?

I think there's a number of signifiers that saying you like them as cis straight guy is performance for guys. Oh, triple G tits. Whoa, that's exactly what I want. Has nothing to do with their actual preferences or interests. It is for the locker room kind of shit. And same goes, I think hair is in there. I think makeup is in there.

I think they all fall into the same category because none of, it's like when really anyone talks about their type. Everyone I've ever heard talk about a type, if they end up in a long-term relationship it's never with that person because having a type and having specificity is just us trying to like create order in a chaotic world yeah say yeah no this is what i like and this is good to me and then you fall in love with something completely different yes you don't know what you like uh well i'm a tomboy boy i like a tomboy i like a short short haircut. And that is to say that in my brain,

my brain is like, yeah, we will get less hassle if we dress and we is me and my brain. The royal we. Well, we and the ghost that follows you. My demon that sits on my shoulder. If I dress in a more masculine way, but the truth is

I'll still get unwanted attention. It's probably just a different demo of people being like, well, they're dressing androgynously because they are a different kind of woman that wants me to approach them. I bet they're a freak in a different kind of woman that wants me to approach them. I bet they're a freak and a different, you know,

I don't know. They're trying to hide from- Yeah, because I feel like guys are always like, ooh, now you're giving me a challenge. Yeah. Or it's- No, this is, I just don't want to be- It's like soft boys.

That's reverse psychology. You actually want me to be talking to you. And that's why you're telling me to leave you alone. You might escape bros, but then they'll just be replaced. Can I take a seat? May I? Madam, move aside. Move aside.

Prince Charming has arrived. I feel like I would need such, I feel like it's a little bit different if you're at like a bar where like that's the vibe of the bar. But in just raw dogging in public. The closest is a coffee place. I would need such a strong signal in order to engage. Like you're getting eyes and a smile and a come hither stare.

I think if they literally have to initiate conversation, at least kind of passively, be like, not like, hey, can I grab that chair and leave? But something in the vein of like, is anyone sitting here? There's a lot of open seats or whatever. What are you reading? And then it's like, okay, worst case scenario. This is a nice chat to have with a stranger.

Maybe I make a friend. Maybe it's just a chat. Maybe we go on a date. It could be anything, but I don't need to like object or force it either way. Also, it's very, I think it's very, it is attractive when people take initiative in general in life, but like, it's almost like kissing where it's like, yeah, the initiative can be attractive, but you have to be right. It's very unattractive. If you're wrong. Yeah. Have I ever told you guys about the bus guy? The bus guy? Yeah. So there

was, I, when I first moved to LA, I didn't have a car. I rode the bus and. Oh, you were the bus guy? Yeah. So there was, when I first moved to LA, I didn't have a car. I rode the bus. Oh, you were the bus guy? I was the bus guy. The bus bastard. And I, one time I was on a bus. I had just gotten my eyebrows waxed. And so my face was bright red and I was going from work, like an eight hour shift at

work to a writing class and knew I wouldn't have time to eat dinner. So I had Cheez-Its in my purse and I was shoveling them into my mouth from my purse. Big relate. Big relate. Yeah. And in my, and I was wearing just like jeans and, you know, nothing. And nothing else. Whoa, a single red rose in my teeth. And an attractive man sits next to me. I immediately clock him. Hey, this guy's attractive, whatever.

Attractive bus guy. We're both looking at our phones. So no conversation is happening. But then something wild happens on the bus where this guy gets on, he's screaming. He has a- He's looking for a group of teenage girls who he's been seeing in visions.

He's trying to find them. He has an indiscernible accent. He has an indiscernible accent. He grabs one of them and throws it. He throws it at the top of the train. His mouth movements do not match the words he's saying. He goes, I'm looking for the girls. Where are the girls?

I'm going to find this woman as soon as I can. This weird woman is telling everyone to get off the train. I mean bus. And this guy has a massive like magnum Costco size vodka bottle in his back. I was so concerned about where those go. So many hats. The only, and plus, Anastasia is off camera. She was gesturing to her head.

Without that, I'm not even going to say it was a dickhead. And the handsome guy next to me turns to me and goes, oh my God, that's the biggest bottle of vodka I've ever seen. And I'm like, yeah, that and is it is that all that's in the bag yeah it's just like sticking out the top of his like uh it's like cloud sword it is very anime he's gonna like lean over it's gonna deke the compartments are gonna open he's just gonna fire sky he's an alcoholic but in an anime way way. And then as we talk about this incident, we kind of look at each other and start having a normal conversation. I'm like, oh, I can see on your phone you're watching a Miranda July video.

I love Miranda July. We're like chit-chatting, blah, blah, blah. Realize we have a bunch of in common. And he says, hey, I know this this is weird i know we're on a bus and because i i said oh the next stop is mine he goes i know this is weird i know we're on a bus can i give you my number you can text me if you want or not what it's up to you i give you my numbers really good it's really good i like that and he And he, I was like, whoa, okay. Give me your number. I thought I was repellent.

I'll have to put on more than pants next time while I'm eating my Cheetos. So then I, I texted him kind of almost immediately because we had such a nice conversation. We had so much in common and we dated for a little bit. It didn't work out and it was totally fine. But I was like, that was maybe the only time that I met a stranger in a place where I'm like trying to get somewhere, like going about my day where it didn't feel aggressive. It didn't feel like predatory.

Like at no time was he was like, damn girl, I like your hips or whatever weird things I like Jesus scratching that off my pickup lines I like Jesus do you like me to go fish I go fish that's that's me normally his reaching is on my slowly to get some of them um let's watch this because I this I'm this fit I'm curious what you think about these outfits because I have thoughts on these outfits. The man repellent outfit. I spoke about this last week

and I wanted to talk a little bit more about it because one, people were a little confused, but two, people liked the look. From what I've observed and in my opinion, I think a man repellent outfit is something that sits outside of what the male gaze deems as sexy or attractive. Can be things that are either typically described as

matronly masculine think of every tick tock you've ever seen of a man saying what he doesn't like on a woman typically being asked by another male interviewer those items in these interviews i've seen them yap about anything from maxi skirts to mom jeans to docs to birkenstocks to hating girls that are just into that star sign stuff bows bows, anything. I've seen it all. I would say that this aesthetic, if you could even call it that, comprises of a lot of those pieces because girls do enjoy wearing them and the purpose isn't necessarily to just be attractive. A lot of people ask me where they can find stuff like this aesthetic. There's honestly so much already on TikTok. I also do think elements of it are very much so like the eclectic grandpa style.

I guess the guys are just not rocking with grandpa, but this is like that kind of look in a way into different silhouettes, experiment, have fun. And I think that that's just the best way to approach style all around. It's cool. I mean, I think the only thing that's sad to me is like, it feels like once again, the male gaze is warping you know like what women are wearing or choosing to wear but in a different way it is still the lens that's used by everyone to determine but it's like how do you avoid it because like the men won't stop you know so that's

what i kind of liked at the end of what she said she was like just wear what you want to wear and it's because i think the truth is um it doesn't matter really all of her outfits that she was claiming were men repellent i'm like those are cute yeah i was like i like love dogs yeah the cut to glasses the glasses one was funny to me just because of the glasses yeah she was in like a skirt and then it looked like she was a different person. I was like, oh, whoa, that's a way to rebel is disappear and be replaced. I don't, I do not want to be one of those like, you know, I'm not like other guys, whatever.

It is very frustrating that these other guys out there being the marketing, being the advocate. And I don't mean like, not in a, I'm different. The guys who are saying their thoughts to other men about what they're into. I do not want to do soft boy. I'm not like those guys. I think most people are not like those guys.

Right. Plenty of men do whatever shitty stuff, blah, blah, blah. But they're approaching people in public and needing an outfit to repel them. It's kind of in the vein of like getting a mosquito net where if you specifically don't want to be bit by mosquitoes, right. That makes sense. Most other bugs are annoying,

but they're not going to come up to you and bite you. That is like very specifically, Hey, plenty of annoying bugs. Only one of them really like as a blood sucking kind of bug. This is repellent for that one specifically i just it is very frustrating that i mean it feels like the dynamic now is either these people are approaching because you aren't doing it right or they're approaching uh we're not approaching because you are the right thing i I'm curious what people like TikTok. It's a decent kind of portal into different lives sometimes, you know?

Sure, the algorithm is ultra curated and it's what you want to see, etc. But also, they just never would have even thought of this, right? And that part of that is my privilege. So not having to engage with issues like that. Thumbs up, fellas. engage with issues like that thumbs up fellas um but at the same time i do wonder how much of this is theoretical versus like yeah it was a bunch of guys are coming up to me a bunch so i made these outfits doesn't happen anymore well even like i was saying like my brain tells me that the way i dress means i'm not going to get as much attention.

And that's just like actually not true in practice. But I still, you know, it's like in my brain. So I feel like that might be true too with like some of these women. Also, you're right. Like some of it might just be like TikTok trend. Here's my theoretical outfits. Hopefully they do. I mean, even if they're just theoretical, they're trying, like some of it might just be like, TikTok trend. Here's my theoretical outfits. Hopefully they do. I mean, even if they're just theoretical, they're trying, you know.

Yeah. Men hate my outfits. They're so mad that I like, I'm not like hot, like how I was in Uncut Drums. I hear that all the time because the girls love it. It's a Julia Fox audio. That's okay. That's what it is. Because there was a comment.

It was like, okay, it took me a second. There was a comment on the previous one we watched where somebody was like, insert that sound from Uncut Gems. And I was like, what are they? Or from Julia Fox. And I was like, oh, what are they talking about? And I guess that's the audio. If you are right now, 2020, 2024, a guy who's like a woman in pants are you a time

traveler what are you talking about yeah yeah even the other lady who said like matronly or masculine outfits that don't show a lot of skin um it's like i guess i get that in theory but for the first thing i think of is Billie Eilish. Right. Who had talked about not wanting their body to be perceived and then getting all this unwanted attention, especially when they were a minor. And then chose to dress in baggier form clothes.

Right. And that sucks like it's kind of this whole thing where it's like warping warping yourself to the male gaze either uh on one one way or the other you know and then the reaction was instead i feel like all the worst comments for that shit were always just like don't wear that well don't wear the bag. That's not fair to me. I think the other side of the comments are like, she's hot. Despite this. Despite this. And you're a libertarian. And I remember Billie Eilish, while they were still underage, there was like a leaked TikTok or Instagram photo from a friend or something where she was in a hot tub wearing a swimsuit

and people were so weird about it. There's also the disgusting like paparazzi stuff. I think that that was something that Billy Ayesha talked about was like getting photographed by the paparazzi in motion and then people are just like objectifying their body and stuff. It's just like so gross but i suppose that's like uh it's all it's going to be this experience on steroids when you're in the in the public eye especially at that tier especially as uh femme presenting and especially uh that famous like the where it's like everything has to be boosted and all harassment

has to be more intense all threats have to be scarier all i don't know all kudos has to be boosted and all harassment has to be more intense. All threats have to be scarier. All, I don't know, all kudos have to be hyperbolic. All the yes people around you have to be more yes people. It's like nothing's legitimate. And I guess all of the, hey, I see you're wearing push-up bra for me, a guy that you don't know, is replaced instead with like, why are you wearing a push-up bra for a guy like me you don't know is replaced instead with like why are you wearing a push-up

bra for a guy like me you don't know this is misandry it's so funny to me that you can wear certain things it'll be like a literal man repellent i think this is so funny because it's so true men love the most basic outfit you've ever put together when you are like oh i don't know what to wear and i'll just you'll just wear something comfortable, something very go-to, something that is not pushing the boundaries at all. I have two photos that I have on my dating app profiles and they are my top liked photos. And let me show you them. Okay. So here's the first one. I don't really use it anymore because it's kind of old, but when I did have it on all my profiles, it was easily the top liked photo. Like there's nothing wrong with it. Like, let me

make myself smaller. Like, it's fine, but super basic, just like shorts and a crop top, and my top isn't even, like, really well fitting. As you can see, it's, like, riding up my bra. Like, it doesn't look that great, but men went crazy for this photo. Let me get

the other one. Okay, so the second one, it is also kind of old, but I still use it because it is my top liked photo. Every single person, almost every single person that I match with likes this photo. And for what? Like I look cool as fuck. Like I'm not going to lie. Like I look sick, but I'm just wearing blue jeans and a black crop. I wear this outfit all the time in real life, and guys always comment that they love that outfit. Is it just because it's like a classic? Because, I mean, like, again, I'm like, I don't, I guess it's hard to put myself into this headspace, but.

I mean, I think she's right. She looks cool. I don't think it has to be. Also, I think, like, even though she's right. She looks cool. I don't think it has to be. Also, I think like, even though she's not necessarily fancy or showing skin, like you can see her body in it. And it's like, I, and again, just to reiterate, I truly don't idea that if you're more fashionably adventurous, that could communicate something, I guess, to someone who, I don't know. I feel like there's not much that's going to stop a dude from approaching a woman. The dating app one, that's also an interesting sample size one because a lot of the time I feel like picture selection prompt selection are more than just the thing you like the most yeah it is what you think is the most appropriate thing to start off with it's what you think they will like you liking the most and also it's I

don't know it seems unremarkable to me that the least avant-garde thing is the thing that people are liking more well yeah it's like the most accessible for lack of a better word but like i i also remember seeing a woman who's like um uh what's it called like gothic lolita style dress where it's like you know the like japanese like super hyper feminine dresses with like platform shoes. Oh, I don't know what that is. The part of Harajuku like that? Yeah. So I remember seeing a girl showing her dressing like that and being like,

guys hate this. And it's like, yeah, I guess I could see that. But only because you're in such a specific subculture that maybe only people who are also in that subculture will be into it i think anime lovers would be really into it but i would say that with no judgment to anime i would just say numbers wise fewer of them but also maybe a little less uh socially aggressive outwardly not saying better people but maybe a little less like the sample size of people that would be excited about like even like the outfit the renfair type outfit that one person was in yeah it's like well i think it's also showing off a

degree and this is i mean the cynical part of I guess, it's showing off a degree of confidence that a lot of those kind of hucksters that would come up and pick up artist stuff probably want to filter out. I'm sure that's probably one of the game, right? That is part of the game. Sorry, like rule 15 of war in the game. Find a woman who is not, is dressed plainly because they want to have the confidence

to wear some address or something. Let's watch this last one. I saw a video of a girl saying how some outfits are man repellent and i think this is so true it's basically outfits that are the opposite of male gay so they won't come up to you they won't check you out none of that so these are my man repellent outfits i can confirm i got zero male attention in these fits starting off with this outfit of mine that was all over twitter i feel like demonias are like instant man repellent. Same with anything Sanrio related and especially a corset. I was like, is that a Magic

the Gathering set? Medication? That's my D&D character. That's Dominaria. I would say though that wearing a mask may be a pretty effective repellent too. Not that not for any sort of political reason or. Not that, not for the, any sort of political reason or anything like that,

but I'm like, the less of your face you can see, I feel like that makes you less. It's like headphones. Like if I'm dressed like in my Daft Punk costume, I do feel like I'm going to get approached less. I bet MF Doom never got harassed on the street. Yeah.

Demonias, I just looked it up. Demonias are the boots. Oh, demonias, I just looked it up, demonias are the boots. Oh, cool. They're this brand of shoe that's kind of like... Whoa. Oh, that's sick. I mean, this is kind of Harajuku-esque. Oh, it's too tall. Run.

I'm being repelled. So with those three things, this was instant man repellent. I would say I'm just like a kid in this outfit, so I think that's man repellent enough unless they're like a really creepy man. I don't think I'm just like a kid, but like there are like the flat specs that have like the cute little earmuffs on. And the hoodie has like a character on it. The vibe.

It's just, it's man repellent. Okay, this is a recent look. This was my Galentine's Day look from Valentine's Day. And this is man repellent because of the corset. And I feel like this is such a girl's outfit. My boyfriend said he didn't like this outfit on my Instagram. So I think that's proof that it's man repellent. Where do you see that?

Yeah, it was so rude. On your Instagram? Like in public? Publicly being like, you look dumb. I don't like it. That is such a funny, a kind of a self-report in having the worst taste conceivable. Yeah, my boyfriend threw a shoe at me when i did

that you know because man it's man repellent but maybe this is just like the name of a new like not a new aesthetic but maybe this is uh like the like it almost feels like a aesthetic trend um oh oh oh someone just said uh guys this could only be taken as a joke the only man repellent outfit is when oh yeah there we go the only true fit that repels somewhat is adam sandler outfits but even then and then there's nine replies what do the nine replies say facts lots of laughing face this doesn't even work i wear dirty oversized sweats and a 3X shirt. So stressful. I know. It's like the... By the way, man, I

know. I'm sure it's not reading this way. Maybe there's a stupid comment here and there. It is. I'm speaking from entirely a place of sympathy, not empathy. I do not know. Right, exactly. You don't. You can't know that experience. And I think it's kind of fascinating. I mean, can I... With this one... both of the first outfits look like a little kid.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She has like a very like little kid style. That's an interesting way to put band repellent. It's more like putting like non-criminal repellent. You know what's funny is like I sometimes joke around that my style is toddler core. But boy toddler. Yeah. Like I wear like crew.

You're currently wearing a Mickey Mouse shirt. Yeah. Yeah, genuinely. I love it. You are currently wearing a blue Mickey Mouse shirt. This is not a joke. You have a big, some applesauce on your shoulders. Yeah, yeah.

You're wearing those glasses that wrap around like goggles. You've got the Gouda cheese and the wax watch me eat a baby bell i was like i fucking love these well we were talking about how like growing up like without the means to like have that kind of thing you you would see it as like a class like a class signifier oh with the wax with the wax like i was like oh the that is for the rich yeah like. Like in my silver platter cheese. This is like the rich kid version of string cheese. Right. Like we just get string cheese that literally tastes like wax.

Yeah. And you get the actually good little Gouda. It's like, oh, yes, my cheese is, it has a sleeve. It's a sleeve cheese. Oh, I can't allow it to be ruined by the elements. A plastic wrapping on your cheese. I didn't know I was with peasants. Well, that was fun.

That was interesting. I mean, I'm always curious what's going on on the internet. And I feel like we learned something today. I think genuinely I'm curious about the comments from our audience because I want to be educated. I want info. Yeah, I hope we didn't come off. I don't think we came off as like not, because we're to be educated. I want info. Yeah, I hope we didn't come off, I don't think we came off as not,

because we're not experts here, we're just trying to understand. Yeah, I would love to hear people's experience with this, because it is something that I get the sense that people are like, I want to try, I have a fear of something, and I want to try and take control of the situation. Yeah, you have agency. Yeah, exactly.

Cool. Well. Does the fun stop here? Well, the fun stops right here on YouTube.com slash Sad Boys Pod. But we are going to be heading over to our Patreon at Patreon.com slash sadboys, where we do our exclusive Patreon episode of Sad Boys Nights. And that's where, is that where Katie's calling in? Yes. We're going to have a certain call-in person to tell a story about

the time that they fell over eight shit and a time they were approached by a very weird, but ultimately funny person. I learned this story from one of our dear friends while we were walking around Santa santa monica for go fest uh global and it was a wild story of a man uh a very clueless man approaching a woman maybe the most sincere moment of guy coming up in public but certainly not very threatening is it developed it's wild so we'll uh we'll hear uh the story from ground zero uh he's in new york are we allowed to say it's katie yeah okay so skady 420 will be joining us

to tell us a story about this man and that about does it for this episode of sad boys thanks to anastasia for uh joining us off camera and for jacob standing uh ominously above us looming over us. I always wonder what the catalyst is for when he does or doesn't stand. Sometimes I have iced coffee and I get ants. Oh, I see. We end every episode of Sad Boys with a

particular phrase. You love me. Just a little bit earlier, we were sharing stories on the main show about two topics that are both germane to you. One is falling over as an adult. Yeah. It was at one of Jarvis' Halloween parties, and I was dressed as Garfield.

I remember this. It was a really big Garfield costume. There was like a bunch of stuffing in it and stuff. Like it made me really fat and it was kind of up a hill and I was on top of it. And I went to sit down and the chair was a bit too close to the edge. And I think I like also tripped a bit on my tail because I had. Because you were a cat. And you went, ouch.

Yeah, it was a huge fall, like in a way where like it wasn't just the people near me saw it. It was everyone who was outside at the time. Oh, no. side at the time.