Sad Boyz - MEAN BOSSES Mistreat Employees, INSTANTLY REGRET IT!

Episode Date: February 10, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. I was just thinking about how thankful I am that we have an intro line. Oh yeah, because you can just throw it anywhere. Sometimes I'm in an awkward conversation at a party and I just go, welcome to Sad Boys, just to break the awkward silence. To break the awkward silence. Don't walk away. I'll find you no matter where you go yeah i know your address yeah we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase it's like coordinates of their like trying to end a combo um how the hell are you doing jordan it's thursday morning it's thursday it's 10 ish um i'm good i we actually moved recording a little earlier and we might stick with the timing

and I feel great I like the morning because it's one of the few times that I'm happy get about an hour and a half in and then reality sets in we've been running on a little bit of a content high yeah we've been

doing stuff we've been going harder, better, faster, stronger. I think it's okay sometimes to acknowledge external validation. Oh yeah. It's good to find like a center that makes life sustainable without outside influences. But then also it's nice to just every now and then put your hands up and be like, it's nice that that thing got views. It's nice that that got feedback. Also, this is the most regular the show has been. So it's the tightest the feedback cycle has been. Like a few days ago, we recorded the last episode.

You asked for some pen pals. Yeah. And we've got them. And we're going to be able to read them today. We got stacked out. Part of the reason that we're doing it a little bit early today is I have to go to a boxing thing after this. Oh.

It was like a little media day for creator clash oh like a press event yeah i think that's fun yeah so um dana white's across town and so i'm going to speed in my car as soon as this recording is over uh i asked you yesterday actually or maybe the day before do you have a hair plan i don't i don't and it's it does's giving me mild anxiety because I can do what some people did, which is like braid their hair. And I could also shave it off. I don't think I'm going to do that. Or I could do something else. I don't really know what is like if there's rules about hair.

Like what if I didn't do anything? Is that like a problem? What if you use your hair in combat? Right. Like I just like i flip it out and i like strangle them yeah isn't there a one two three go like that that we watched i do think long hair problem oh it's short hair versus tall and then she grabs someone with her hair she grabs someone with her hair is that before or after she got struck by lightning i think it

was after because i remember my throat hurting from laughing and screaming um i get that clip sent to me a lot yeah which is nice reaction shot sometimes it's a dm with like context or a reference or something and then every now and then it's just like somebody that's clearly just seen a video right they're like look at your video i do like the um every time i every time i post a video now someone uses the um uses the gif of you going, good video, Jarvis. That's awesome.

Which is great. I think you're the only person who's allowed to touch my hair. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. And say, what the hell? Yeah. Ow.

What's going on? Did I tell you? I'm sure I have. Like, in sixth grade grade someone touched my hair and they told me it felt like a sheep were you me yeah at the time yeah i was actually how old is sixth grade like 10 like 11 that that was the peak time for me also yeah it's like that weird empathy gap where kids like just have absolutely no filter and they just say whatever i guess people uh have in the back of their mind certain ages where it's appropriate to touch someone else's child and it should be never right it should be all the time never they're like personal space

uh never heard of it no thank you actually not a crime yet um yeah the the touch in the hair i got sheep i got uh it's so fluffy you'll have a even softer when you're a kid right yeah for sure it was curlier it was just better no it was always kind of this color mine exactly matched my skin and i wore brown clothes so it was actually you were a sheep i heavily stained my eyes and my teeth. You were a Jordan chief's clothing and body. Yeah, no, it's sheep always, which is equally weird because, like, do you have sheep in Georgia? I guess. I mean, like, there's probably some sheep.

I don't really know. I remember it does feel like a class thing because I'm like, yeah, I bet you probably did go pet some sheep. Not me. I was never at the pettingting zoo i was grinding on the streets or whatever i was in my truck i was i was in my truck working uh going uphill both ways to school i was wearing my punisher t-shirt yeah my all america uh all america this dude is hat it's so funny that cobs love the punisher i was wearing so many cops yeah i was wearing a red hat that said uh make uh make kids work again this is gonna catch on i swear it's gonna catch on i promise it's never gonna age poorly how the hell are you i'm good what's your problem um i'm good

i've kind of just been like doing stuff. Everything's a blur. Every time someone asks me how I'm doing or what I did this weekend, like I'll go to training on a Monday and my trainer will be like, what were you up to this weekend? And I completely blank. I have no idea what I was up to. And I almost never remember. I have to go look at my calendar to figure out like what it was that I did. You know, the answer is not nothing at all. I don't think, but it's also possible. Like that's happened before, which is like substantial. It's still like a remarkable to just be like, oh man, I just rested. Like it was a healthy day. But for some reason, this is why people default to like, if you're in the street, how you doing? Like, great. All good. Fine. Great.

Did I, this is another thing that i've probably talked about before but um not to put someone on blast who we used to work with who i don't think you'll remember um because it was truly the year 2016 um one time i was in line for lunch at patreon and i was um standing behind a coworker in line. He was one of those guys who's like a, well, let's play devil's advocate type guy where he like took things a little bit too literally sometimes. And I, and he would like be willing to get into an argument or a disagreement. Like a contrarian? Yeah. And so that, I guess, is necessary context for when I said,

hey, how are you doing? Or something. He was like, hey, Jarvis. And I was like, hey, dude, how are you doing? And he was like, well, me and Jessica are kind of having a hard time. And I was like, wait, what? And it's like, and I got to get the kids from school. And was like i brother we have to eat i'm sorry i just want to eat my chicken breast and rice the food is getting cold i don't know what i've started but i wanted to stop so actually i'm glad you asked do you have any time i'm not really hungry could we take like a

couple hours my therapist was busy yeah no literally and i immediately my fight or flight was like activated and i was like how do i get out of this situation because i will lie i will lie in a situation to get myself out of it that is uncomfortable i'll have to go to the bathroom when i don't have to do that um or i'll need to respond to someone or you know text someone something important that wasn't really important any excuse really to get myself out of the situation oh my god my phone's being insane oh my god i someone calling you oh sorry i'm uncomfortable and i need to go okay it's an excuse in your life yeah of course of course um for a second i thought something was actually happening you don't like me no absolutely in fact i'm just not comfortable enough with you in your life yeah of course of course um for a second i thought something was actually happening

you don't like me no absolutely in fact i'm just not comfortable enough with you because of the weird shit i was doing right and so i need to go collect myself and reclaim my space yeah i understand yeah the bathroom that was what at the time five feet away from that kitchen and had furry porn on the wall that's right dude, there were a couple moments, a couple like what felt like significant moments of the Patreon office being like, the optics of this are maybe not great. Do you remember when they got rid of the ping pong table?

Yeah. It was like, yeah, no good. It's not that ping pong is bad. It is what offices with ping pong tables tend to be like. Which I get. Like, i remember when i was applying for jobs or when i was in college and it was it was the height of of tech companies going hey we're pretty cool you could like hang out in the ball pit or you can play ping pong with

the boys you cover your desk in jello your staplers covered in jello and also there's always a nerf war going on so you better build your barricades around your desk and then normal people are like i want to do my job i don't want to be engulfed in a in a war of nerf yeah how about insurance yeah that would actually be how about could we make this space um normal and accommodating to most people to do a job that i have rather than like a specific type of man child yeah um because that was a thing like i remember some of the old like careers pages of of these tech companies would have like here at facebook we're just hanging out on ripsticks all the time whimsical names on the they brought facebook brought ripsticks to a hackathon that

they hosted at my college um and we were just like rip sticking in the like atrium of like this like uh campus building while like a hackathon was going on and we're just chilling out we're like whoa facebook seems so cool dude you guys are doing what to democracy sorry can't hear you over this sick ripstick i don't care i'm doing diablo yeah no literally i can't hear you right now i'm playing with my devil sticks yeah yeah i don't know what happened to my voice there hey what did mark zuckerberg do he's beyblading he's oh shit let it rip dude i should do we should organize a creative class that's beyblade oh i'm in or something that like because i think similar to like boxing or chess boxing

it's fun to take a bunch of known names that are entertaining and like committed and push them into something they've never done before something that a lot of the audience maybe also isn't familiar with so initially i was thinking like a ccg or something like what if we all played hearthstone yeah yeah probably a lot of the people we would want i most of us have played hearthstone right it would be interesting to do something like uh beyblading or maybe something with a little less randomness to it well uh i mean that's like what wolfie uh wolfie vgc shout out um recently won a regional championship in pokemon um the pokemon vgc uh he organized essentially like a smash summit but for but for pokemon vgc and invited a bunch of content creators. You know, like Ludwig, Alpharad, Jaden Animations, Void was there.

Not me. I wasn't invited. Because of what you did, yeah. But I would have crushed. So round two hit me up, Wolfie. I used to, back in the day, I used to do Pokemon battling when I was a child, a teenager. But that type of thing is really cool, and I think the event went really well. Now you're more of like the professor.

Like you know all of – you're collecting them over time. I am a bit like a professor. No, I didn't mean like intellect-wise. No, don't get smug. His head is growing. No. You know, the thing that I've learned in my years. You're a boy or a girl.

First and foremost, I have one important question. What is this? What are you working on? Oh, no reason. Yeah, I just, before I have a conversation with a young child, I just need to ask them their biological sex. I ask their pronouns, and then we hang out. And they work for me.

It makes me feel better to know how they identify. That would be so funny, is if you pick girl and they don't let you play. Oh, sorry. Oh, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Sorry. You should have bought Pokemon Pink version come on yeah professor oak killed yeah it's famous professor murdered by toros um speaking of none of the stuff we were

talking about that's actually a good intro to the clips channel yeah i was yeah speaking of none of the other stuff um i was watching basketball yesterday i was watching basketball because i was talking to um friend of the show ruxin 34 who is a yugioh pack opening channel he is a basketball fan big basketball guy big lebron guy and i was talking to him about a video i just put out and he was like oh i can't wait to watch it but right now i'm watching lebron get the scoring record and i was like oh shit let me tune into that because we have friends who are into basketball anastasia our producer for the other videos and stuff we do is uh big into basketball and i like the sport um i just like need a personal connection to it like i need to be invited over to watch a game in order to watch

a game or like have someone else come over um and it's such a huge part of the enjoyment right yeah it's like wrestling story narrative yeah yeah exactly um there's so many things i will watch if someone just like makes a party out of it and um for context lebron james is 38 years old it is a medical miracle that he has been able to play basketball for the past 20 years professionally um let alone reach a scoring a lot of their kids now entering the nba who were born when he entered the nba and speaking of being born when lebron james was born kareem abdul-jabbar who just had his own you know uh many years long basketball career where he got a scoring record like all time points scored that people were like this will never be broken because there'll never be someone this good for this long to actually generate this this

number of points this is a scene that's in cpr like flash yeah no literally and so lebron james is finally at that point in his career he's trying to last because he wants to play in the nba with his son brawny who's like i think in the NBA with his son, Bronny, who's like, I think, in the next couple of years, going to enter the league, which is cool. See, that's such a good storyline to track. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's an anime style. It's an anime storyline for sure. The Lakers are playing Oklahoma City.

It is the third quarter. They're counting down the points until LeBron gets the scoring record. And the scoring record, by the way, is like 38,380 or 830 it's something like that there's a lot of threes and eights but 38 000 and uh so they're like only 11 more points only you know nine more points whatever and kareem abdul-jabbar who's 75 years old now is in the stands and they keep cutting to him and he's smiling every time like

lebron gets gets the goal right at the end of the third quarter lebron has this beautiful fadeaway jumper uh over two defenders to get the record it like it was a shot where i was like no shot this is it they were like maybe this is it and it was. Something happened that I have never seen before in my life. They stop the game in the third quarter. It's not a timeout. It's not into regulation. It's not a quarter break. There's still 30 seconds left in the third quarter. They clear the field. They start a ceremony. They play a video that is like a retrospective of LeBron's career. They bring out the commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver. They bring out Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

They like award him like the key to the city, essentially. Dude, that's like a Simpsons joke. Right? Literally the entire time. It's like a 20-minute break in the middle of the game where the lakers are losing to celebrate lebron beating this like like like getting this generational record which i you cannot undersell how important the record is and this is a regular season basketball game but i've never seen something like this happen because like you've seen halftime shows you've never seen like a middle of the quarter like stop everything a surprise

like lebron gives a whole speech and then he like adapts up jay-z and then they go back to the 30 seconds left in the third quarter and the lakers lose it was like such an interesting thing like he also said the f word, I think on live television, which is fuck by the way, we can say it. We can say it. Um, I,

sorry, I guess that isn't clear. Yeah. It was just so comical because I'm just imagining the Oklahoma city players who were like winning the game, being essentially iced out by this, like perform like this ceremony. Uh,

he was, it was really something to behold yeah dude it's like uh if the conclusion of space jam was like michael jordan doing his weird extended arm cartoon moment yeah dunking it and then checking the scoreboard and they lost by a huge number of points they were like that was so sick you're slaves now is the rule actually it's like if if during a regular season game of the Chicago Bulls when Michael Jordan was playing, they cut to a scene of Space Jam

and they go, look at that cool shit Michael did. Pretty crazy, huh? Pretty crazy, right? Anyway, we're going to bring out the commissioner and we're going to I'll talk about how cool Space Jam is. Did you watch The Last Dance? I did watch The Last Dance. So good. Amazing. Honestly, i recommend it's

on netflix i recommend the last dance uh to people that aren't even like interested no it's just a good documentary it's i mean it tells the story of the notorious sociopath michael yeah it tells the story of of the i guess the final it's really does chronicle all of like michael jordan's like accolades but specifically they have all this footage of like their final uh championship season um i think which is why it's called the last dance because they went for like they had two three peats in a row the chicago bulls in the 90s um where they won national championship after national championship then then michael jordan retires from basketball and then comes back and then wins three more championships there's also uh don't worry

everyone there's other people in the documentary other than anime villain michael jordan the other people in the documentary are people who have wronged michael jordan and then him talking about how he wronged them and then how he got back at them. And then Dennis Roman just big chillin'. Yeah. Literally. Yo, you've watched Flavor of Love? I absolutely have, yes. I watched it as it aired.

We have been on a binge. Oh, really? Nevermind. You should come around. We'll watch season four. Ethan's just been watching it with Legos. Oh, I can't believe i've never seen this show before it's wild it's such a specific period of time it is like beauty and the geek beauty and the geek classic uh just exploitation cinema that i feel like wrapped up near i want to marry harry that feels like the latter era of that right because it's definitely what they were

going for they i want to marry harry was standing on the shoulders of giants and they still like kind of didn't do that i think it got canceled before it ended or whatever flavor of love looks like it was made for five thousand dollars a season yeah and i love that they play off the bachelor mansion like it's flaves mansion oh yeah well that was the era yeah of like there are episodes of there's this famous episode of cribs with the yin yang twins where they are giving they're giving a tour of a house that is not there and so they're like hey man this is a fish tank we love the fishes is this good they're like pretty wet huh yeah it's like clearly it's just it looks like a house that was um staged for like selling you know like when they put a bunch of they put a bunch of furniture

in to make it look lived in fake fake fruit yeah because we've seen like houses and stuff where it's like oh yeah here's like where the living room is here's what like a living room could look like if you were to move in they just like plopped the yin yang twins behind that door and then they go welcome to our crib and i think they've done stuff like that where they just wouldn't let people or for one reason or another people couldn't crib their actual homes well maybe they don't want like yeah some people don't want to some people it's like doesn't look that good and it's not like like there is so there's such a delta between like the richest famous person and the least rich famous person to the point where like look i'm sure the ying and

doing like pretty good yeah but they weren't they were pulling like rodman money you know what i mean it would be distracting to see their like four bedroom right it also like sometimes people don't buy a house at like the stage of you know the their their rise that they're in maybe they're torn all the time and they you know got swept up in it all and haven't really had a chance to like really settle down and figure out what they're doing like the phase clan didn't buy their house right they just uh they just paid like a bajillion dollars a month for rent. Yeah. You ever seen that 100 Thieves office?

I've seen pictures of it. A little, that tour that they did. Some tour video right after they got it. No comment. Not going to like suggest that maybe it's like one of the most boring office spaces. I just don't get it. If you're making like a shared office space for creators i don't know why it's so bland looking i think it's just like i mean it's just it's not a priority it's probably just they got an office

you know it reminds me of um and that was like the end of it like remember when the well i guess it's the second patreon office but the patreon office that we worked in, that we have the most memories of, was very. The first three years and then near the end. Yeah, it was like very like homey, very like felt like a creator space. And then. It's where I would guess most of the press images are from. I mean, but nowadays, I don't know, you know know because it was like old logo days too and um and then you know patreon got this new corporate looking logo that's very professional looking and it makes

sense for what they're trying to do but then also got a new office because it was a the company was expanding and the new office has way less character you know what I mean because at a certain size it's like well how can you there's only so many places that you can like rent yeah that even like like satisfy that many people yeah especially at that scale like your options are be apple scale and build like a spaceship or whatever like the apple uh uh one apple circle or whatever looks like uh it's about to take off. Or, yeah, you build, like, Facebook campus where it's, like, you don't have to go anywhere else. You just live here now at work. God, that sounds like a good time. Yeah, it's great.

You live in the metaverse. Yeah. It really is. It really is. There's, like, shops. And, like, it feels like you're in an RPG hub world. Jesus, I'd go insane in that Peterwood environment. But that was a was a live service building

that yeah live service dlc updates that was a i i cannot stress enough how much that was the goal at a certain point in time and how celebrated it was that google had like slides in their office and stuff like that and now we're at a time where tech companies are laying off thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of employees it's all over the news every company decided um you know what we overhired by exactly 15 what are the odds and then they all like laid people off and um and uh now i think people are a lot more cynical a lot more you know hold a critical eye to like big tech but in the early 2010s it was like nirvana yeah and uh there was just like no question about it it was like you've got a campus you get free food. Oh my gosh.

Oh yeah, the aesthetic. It's actually like not unlike actors and stars in the late 80s, early 90s, where it's like Tom Cruise in the 90s and the early 2000s. He's a hero to everyone and he's cool. And he's in what cult? Sorry, what's going on? It's because you become three-dimensional you

get access to social media and like the proliferation of information and also just like cynicism in general i think cynicism came into chic in the 2000s and the stratification of celebrity with that where like uh you know now there's so many niche you know internet micro celebrities not unlike ourselves um not that we're the same as tom cruise but i think we're you know yeah we are scientologists that's where we started let me check my uh my revenue search real quick yeah oh yeah that's top gun yeah top gun maverick we're a couple of top gun mavericks right here nobody used that um no but uh like because people can kind of find extremely niche interests there's's less grandiose celebrity.

There still are some. I think your Harry Styles of the world, your BTS of the world, there's still these larger-than-life characters. But on the whole, things are like – I wouldn't say evening out, but there is just – it's like music as well. There's not an elvis i guess the closest is bts but or like these k-pop stars but um i don't think that it's i don't think it's a coincidence that and this is not a criticism of it this is the goal and how it works it is heavily manufactured in a way that a lot of music was in the 2000s in the West. Don't get me wrong, but full of industry plants still and the like. But as far as like putting in the hours to find, to build the most talented. And they also like do press events and public events where they

deliberately get like Blackpink, they'll get like members of blackpink to like drop something cutely and then pick it up so that it's made into a gif right right right that i mean like i can't speak because i'm not super keyed into the k-pop stuff but i can speak for like what it was like in the 90s where you had like um in sync working in like a miami like boy band hot box where they were just like sweating and dancing and singing on treadmills for like for like 80 hours hot box where they were just like sweating and dancing and singing on treadmills for like for like 80 hours a week until they were like the perfect performing specimen they see if they can dance under the gravity and heat of the sun yeah no literally they were like doing like vegeta exercises like at like a multiple of earth's gravity

in order to prepare for like a world tour um all the while they were uh uh lou perlman was like robbing them of of money there's a great documentary in this called the boy band con that was produced by lance bass evan sing check it out we should hunt down we should like uh brainstorm over the course of like next week or whatever weird niche interests or trivia we know a lot about yeah you're very informed about ed sync law yeah you were into it at the time yeah and i think now it's like i enjoy it not ironically i enjoy it for you know what it was a you know it was a time i mean yeah i guess the modern one for you is pokemon more accurately yeah yeah i mean both apply mine's kissing yeah mine's uh ladies getting laid is mine

you should try it and i do know how to do it and i'm not afraid um so two things uh i want to talk about just look at these heartthrobs just look that's just objectively great look at them executive director uh lou perlman that guy is a terrible man he also created the backstreet boys created the backstreet boys created in sync and robbed them blind did a bunch of uh sketchy stuff and then died coincidence was i involved but fun fact fun the NSYNC album, No Strings Attached. Oh, that's in plastic wrap, I see. Unopened. Yeah, it's unopened.

It's still sealed. So No Strings Attached, the album by NSYNC, the name of it is in reference to the fact that NSYNC sued Lou Pearlman because Lou Pearlman claimed that he had the rights to the name NSYNC and claimed that he was a founding member of NSYNC, claimed that he was a member of the band. And that was a loophole that he used to essentially siphon money from the band because he was technically their manager, which meant there were some sort of laws limiting what he could do. But because he was a member of the band, I don't know. Anyway. Oh, it's like, it's like a church is being organizations or like,

yeah. So he like, they went, they went to court. He went to court basically saying he owns the name in sync and that he is in sync. And the judge was basically like, my child has an in sync poster and you were nowhere on that.

You were nowhere on that poster. But the thing was that like, they were not sure if they would be able to use the name in sync. child has an NSYNC poster and you were nowhere on that poster. But the thing was that they were not sure if they would be able to use the name NSYNC. And so when they won, they won the rights to their name. They won the lawsuit against Lou Pearlman. And the name No Strings Attached is in reference to them no longer being attached to Lou Pearlman. Who do you think we could get on the show?

Oh, you know, I want to say Lance has done videos with Hannah Hart in the past. He was very loosely involved in one of the seasons of The Circle. Oh! Do you remember that? His assistant was one of the people on there, and she was catfishing as him. Oh, that's awesome and he's in a handful of clips just like you keep it up samantha i i do think that i do think that having a member of nsync on sad boys would be one of the crowning achievements of my life

truly we have like a we have like a dream guest list uh i'll just i'll shout out one or two yeah sure peak peak peak would be like donald glover oh like that would be deranged and that's on my mind because we i sent you that clip from the table read of yeah oh oh i love it i love it funniest thing love uh love pedro pascal um people look up there's a there's a clip that uh from the community table read that they were doing over covid yeah like a number of table reads and one of them has pedro pascal in it who's uh even more in the zeitgeist than usual reading for pierce because uh chevy chevy chase doesn't have a good relationship with community or really anyone in the world yeah um but he's reading for pso he's not that familiar with like the script yeah as

he's going through it he for like two full minutes just can't like finish the scene he can't finish the scene because of what he has to say and i don't want to spoil it but it is so funny so if you just look up like pedro pascal laughing community table read you're gonna find it and it's just the beaming faces of the beautiful cast of community you're donald glovers you're danny pootie's you're gillian jacobs's you're joel mckale's um who am i forgetting danny pootie i said that um uh laverne uh uh uh uh uh what's your name shirley is played by oh uh brown's last name event nvette Nicole Brown. We got there. Yeah. Sorry. We just disregard African American women.

We don't care as much. Just preempting one email saying that. You know what I mean? That's why. Because she's the least prolific of all of them. And I love her. Yeah, she's great. You ever seen Joel McHale pre- hair plugs in Spider-Man 2?

No. But I do see him a lot because, shout out you ever seen a Joel McHale pre hair plugs in Spider-Man two? No, but I, I do see him a lot because a shout out to Eddie, Eddie and Tony of Burback fame. The Burback channel had a video about the game awards and Joel McHale is, he was like in that spike TV zeitgeist of that time. And so him just being like the heel of a host that like hates entertainment. It's like a proto commentary YouTuber.

It was like extra cynical and just like hates everything. I think he's like, not, I mean, you know, Jess and Nick's very successful. And I think I'm, you know,

I find him fairly funny. I, John McHale is like my preferred version of Anthony Jess and Nick. Oh yeah, for sure. It's all the, like, it's a little bite,

a little edge, a little cynicism, but not like as mean spirited yeah it's like the bit that gets you isn't like i can't believe he said it yeah it is funny how anthony jeslin next whole bit i i feel like kind of aged out of society because i i do i do remember like what like watching caligula and some of his other stuff and thinking this guy's very talented and he's obviously playing a character because I've heard he's like super nice yeah um but I just don't know if the because there would be national tragedies that would happen and then he would like tweet like a joke about them and it was the whole thing of I can't

believe he said that and I do think as a society we're like that's no longer edgy or interesting uh it just means period and i think we're over it yeah not to promote another podcast uh but sarah silverman's podcast she talks a little bit about her evolution through that and she also mentioned something uh she's mentioned in the past but it really resonated recently um while i was listening to the show there is like a a long history of her reviews especially in the uh like kind of pre-Jesus is Magic special era, because that was the recent one, of people referring to her as potty mouth. Oh. And that is like the gendered version of edgy, mean, rude, doesn't hold back.

It almost feels like infantilizing her a little bit. Yeah. It's like the little, you know. Oh, look at what she'll say. Good video, Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, like,

I can't believe the little girl over there saying this stuff. And she's like, I'm a grown-ass woman. Yeah, and she's just like, talking, she's just being like,

mildly. Yeah, yeah. That's interesting. All-time favorite, well, one of, top like five all-time favorites. I think Sarah Silverman's like such favorites i think sarah silverman's like sarah silverman's the goat uh i will never forget her performance in school of rock i know

it's not a huge focus of anything but it school of rock was a formative formative movie for me wasn't um schneebly on survivor yes and can i just talk about something that is crazy to me i almost went to andrew tate there um can i just talk about something that's crazy to me i almost went to andrew tate there um can i just talk about something that's crazy to me um the same season that mike white was on survivor this guy john morrison who is in creator clash was also on that season and i went to a sparring session uh because sometimes we like do a group spar and i sparred with him and i was like why do you look so familiar to me and it turns out that not only has he like a wwe star but he was also on the david versus goliath season of survivor with mike white that is the only season i've seen all the way through and i yeah yeah and

uh and he is like the most in shape man i have ever seen in my life he was just doing crazy like wwe like entrances to like the ring just like sliding in and doing like fun like stuff and uh i sparred him and um i he isn't like um a boxer by trade he's like learning boxing like the rest of us and so uh i got like a few body shots on him while we were sparring and i could feel his abs under my glove i could feel how ripped he was yeah you couldn't get the glove off yeah yeah his abs grabbed they grabbed me with their little hands. Wait, I'm letting you go. Anyway, nicest man. Nicest man ever.

I honestly, like, I naturally, like any big dork, childhood dork, I was definitely, like, bro-coding. I was, as a kid, like, always anti. and then when i moved here i had all this like anti-bro coding uh elitism and then while we were working at patreon all the most athletic people were the nicest and kindest it's very frustrating yeah tony ridiculous shape and yeah looks like a greek god and one of the kindest people he's like the only nice greek god yeah he doesn't turn his balls into a tree Tony. Ridiculous shape. Yeah. Looks like a Greek god and one of the kindest people you'll ever meet. He's like the only nice Greek god

that doesn't turn his balls into a tree. He's the Greek god of kindness, actually. Cody. Cody. Started a damn gym. A goddamn gyms. Damn gyms. Shout out to Allegiant, I believe it's called. Yes. We go all the time, of course.

Do you know what you want to do you want to like start a gym yeah fuck it i'll do it yeah not boxing do like mma yeah i i do like the idea of starting a gym if something i don't know what i'm doing at all it's like i'm just the landlord it's like rocky's trainer you know it's like that guy's knows about boxing it's like yeah i'm just old armad a leg past. But you should have seen me in my prime. Right, right, right. If we put on old man makeup, we're like,

yeah, I actually invented MMA. Everyone was like, you can't put two martial arts together. I was like, watch me. And I put on the lab coat and I poured Typical X into the concoction. What were you going to ask, though? Do you want to not ever do the show again okay be tight that'd be kind of cool like as a bit uh no i was gonna ask do you have i know we talked about it before um like do you want to keep up boxing i know boxing after the event is not as much of a

priority but is there anything you don't get to do right now like bodybuilding for example i'm not like i've always for like you know i think some people do weight training i think i'm strong enough or at least i've been told that i'm strong enough that i should just be focusing on cardio and stuff it would also make you heavier if you did yeah and and i think for me i've always wanted to be leaner uh so i've i've always wanted to be more of like a runner um and it's it's evaded me but um i think i want to do more of that something that i want to keep up with i think i'm going to get a surgery to fix my like nose because i can't breathe through my nose deviated septum i yeah or something i need it i was told that i had a deviated septum, but it does feel even more extreme than that.

It's something that I can't fix before the fight because it's too late now, but I think afterward I want to fix that because I didn't know that the optimal way to run is to be breathing with your nose. Or I just didn't know this my whole life because I've never been an athlete really. The more thing was, I've seen you run.

You take big breaths through your mouth and then you scream them on the way out. Yay. I'm fast. Here we go. Gotta go fast. Gonna get you. Okay.

We're sorry, I deviated septum. I just had a flashback. No, I was like four years old. So no, with context, my mom has deviated septum i just had a flashback now i was like four years old so no with context my mom has a deviated septum and she still she still does because she got surgery for it and then i stepped on her face oh my god i was just running around on the bed, you know, being silly. She was resting. I remember vividly going up to check on her.

You know, four is like three or four of your first memories. And I don't know the details. I mean, I assume, you know, it was supposed to be healing. And that probably didn't happen. I think so. Yeah, I think afterward, after assume, you know, it was supposed to be healing and that probably didn't work. I think so, yeah. I think afterward, after you get the surgery, you are supposed to be healing.

It was almost surgical what I did. I didn't step on her mouth and step on her forehead. I stepped directly on her fucking nose. If she hadn't had the surgery, you would have fixed her nose. But it's one of those like two wrongs that make a right thing.

Yeah. Two negatives make a positive. It's like Homer Simpson gets knocked on the head and he can play piano. Yeah, exactly. Oh, do I want that to happen to me so bad okay so there's two of two things i'm like should we talk about them um we probably don't have enough time to get into the darman stuff i was going to ask the man himself yeah uh well what we can just say is like everything we would talk about is in the video you put out short of his shitty apology not apology their shitty statement so i guess i guess what i'll say is um as of recording uh thursday 9th of february right

now thursday 9th of february they're protesting it's still going on um the darman studios people have released a statement i made a video before their statement came out and i probably will make another video i'm not sure if it will be this week covering what's happened or next week. But yeah, stay tuned. I support the workers. I watched a live stream last night with a few of the actors, and they were just kind of disputing the statement that came out. And some of the stories were very bad. And so. Is it on set behavior in addition to just like. Well, just like, yeah, just like one of the things. And they just brought this up casually was that one of the actors was working very closely with an actor who they did not know had COVID. So the actor had COVID was on set working. The whole crew knew apparently

and did not tell this actress and then she like went home to her parents she went home to her uh partner and then the next day she was not feeling well and then they told her at that point oh you didn't know x person had covid and she told that story on on live stream so i mean obviously like it's her story i don't i can't verify the claim but uh it's wild and to to be very charitable which is not what i believe you could say that it's just an inefficient set and they're not communicative to be probably more realistic they didn't tell them because they didn't want to shut down production yeah i'm yeah because i'm like if you're if the person with covet is working that bothers bothers me, but I don't know what, because I, because Hollywood with the unions, the,

the, the union Hollywood, I, I feel is really strict about COVID stuff, at least from what I've heard from actor friends and stuff. And it's one of the few industries that's like continuing to take COVID precautions very seriously. So to hear that is like,

well, the, I'll say from, although, you know, albeit it was for audio fiction podcasts, a lot of the diligence I had about SAG paperwork and following SAG, Screen Actors Guild, following SAG rules and obligations,

albeit this is pre-COVID, was an honor system on my part. They were not checking anything. It was at the level where we did have to do minimum day rates at the very least and stuff like that, and SAG insurance and the like. And they never followed up with any of this stuff. I was not obliged to do it. I did it, seemed vulnerable, the right thing to do.

But it is very um i would have to assume they're probably getting day minimum which is 335 and they're probably getting at no so here's the thing they are not getting day minimums they are not getting day rates they are being paid hourly and which is not a thing that you're supposed to do um because it's not it's not union but But essentially, one of the things that the actors were complaining about is that the statement that Darman Studios came out with was talking about how these are contractors, they're not employees, they're able to work on other projects, yada, yada, yada. And they're like, yes, while technically it's true that we can work on

other projects, it is often the case that we will be retained, asked to hold four days or something like that. And then at the last minute, their production needs can change. And then they just have one day of work. And they're not paid for that retained time. And they're not paid for the retained time, which if they were union, they would be. And then also, they're just paid for the hours that they're filming. And the minimum is two hours. So it's possible that you could have cleared your full four days, show up on set for two hours, and be paid like $88 for all of your work.

And so – And these are also – I mean, they're working actors. So you take everything you can. So you clear those four days. And they also, a lot of them are repeats. So they want to retain good relationships. They alluded to the fact, and these are all their claims. Of course, I can't, you know, verify the truth of them, but they've said that like, they feel like it's an environment where if they take other jobs, they're like, oh, okay, well,

you've got other jobs. Then I guess we won't book you on other stuff. it's like that it feels like a very like abusive work culture in their words so i i'm just hearing this stuff and i'm like oh my god like my heart goes out to these people uh did you know darman has 3 000 actors that they've worked with um oh do you know we by the way we have a connect to i don't know if it's one we watched i think the dnd one we did watch together oh yeah the main guy in that we have a connect to we we i mean actually i don't know if this is include the episode or not um i would maybe it's like a bonus in episode and like one of us isn't free we just do it i think it would

be interesting to have an actor on as a platform to release on the feed yeah like a 20 minute interview and just go yeah i've been thinking about that it kind of just i know some things are cooking for them and i don't want to like step on their toes in terms of what they want to do but let them cook me let them cook but uh i have kind of been in the dms talking with a few of the actors and uh coordinating because i don't want to kind of jump the gun on stuff if they're planning other stuff so you know solidarity to the actors um and uh we'll see how this i hope that there's a you know resolution for the for the best of all of them. We should also acknowledge a controversy that we are probably being wrapped up in. The comment section has probably popped off on them.

I just want to officially apologize in advance. We did get different microphones. We did get different microphones. For the first time in the show's history. We did get different microphones. And the little windscreen looks weird i will yeah i will i will address that fact um we're gonna we're gonna try and rectify this as soon as possible uh but we made a mistake we made i'll take culpability uh yeah it's it's probably

a continuous and repeated lapse in our judgment. And I'm the bad guy for this? Yeah. I live long enough to become the villain. Yeah. So hopefully we'll get new little microphone afros for these guys. Because it's nice to hold this mic. It's easy to talk into. And I think for our guests, they won't have to. Because our other mics, you had like hold them like right up to your face yeah and giving us a carpal tunnel yeah in it obscured our faces yeah which you know you

would you love to see right dear viewer the money maker the money maker leave a comment saying if a comment saying you like to see our faces oh ehh ehh um your face is bad okay so real quick before we wrap and i have to run away and speed down the highway i will be driving responsibly everybody don't worry um last week we did ask for a little pen pal homework yes um and it was for awkward encounters normally we'll have more time for this uh also while i was walking over here uh i just had the most like i'm i'm my brain is now half british because i was away for those two years i i almost bumped into someone that was carrying something across the street i or didn't even nearly bump into them i just stopped and waited for them five feet away and i went on instinct sorry i just apologized and then she went

hi just and then just get going hey there or something like that it's like this is way more fun than what I did alright we have that one

okay oh yeah thanks to everyone we asked for awkward stories they're still welcome a lot of them did crack me up just from reading them

in addition to awkward stories I mean we're just looking for interesting pen pals type stuff sabwispod.gmail.com. Yeah. But advice questions still open to, you know, send anything in you want. Just say hi.

Somebody sent in, I'll just send you a picture, a very elaborate thought on because they are a subscriber to gold, does that make them a platinum subscriber because there's a lot of like precious metal sort of alchemy going on with yeah with uh you know the premium viewers etc uh this is from they don't say whether or not they want their name included so i'll just say e a sports i wrote a letter. It's in the game. This is my true calling as an unbelievably awkward person. Pronouns are she, her.

Kia ora tatau, my lovely himbos. I live in... Oh, come on. Au te... Au te roa... Here. Should I read it? Yeah. Oh. It's a New Zealand. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what. That's going to be my guess. I live in Aotearoa, New

Zealand, but my family is pretty much all in England. So I was going to visit them and stopped over in a stopped. I can't read either. Stopped over in a few European countries on the way and embarrassed myself many times. And also found out that Europeans are far less chill than Kiwis when you fuck up. I was in this relatively fancy hotel that had a whole ass buffet and nicest hell restaurant. In New Zealand, it's typical to go out in PJs and we just generally care less for constantly having to look presentable. I respect that. I like that. That's me. So I was already sticking out pretty bad amongst these people for breakfast who were already fully dressed and ready. The room was packed and other than the person I was traveling

with, I didn't know anyone. So I was feeling awkward anyways. But there were these huge dispensers that had cereal in them. I've seen these at like hotels and stuff yeah continental breakfast yeah and i wanted these chocolate ball looking things long story short when i went to dispense some into my bowl i broke the twisty lever thing oh shit i was holding it in the kiwi strength i know i was i was holding it in just knowing that when I moved my hand away, all hell would break loose. But I did it anyway because I'm an idiot. Oh, no. I had an image in my mind of them holding it in a montage of the sun going down.

Yeah. They're literally like, it's like Majora's Mask where like all of the titans or whatever they're called uh the giants are like holding up trying to hold up the moon yeah um the entire huge dispenser of cocoa balls came rolling out and because they are goddamn balls they rolled everywhere across the entire hotel restaurant slash eating area and there were just cocoa balls everywhere and everyone in the room looked at me and i panicked and ran out the room. And stood in the doorway watching everything unfold. Wait.

It's a spider flight. It all fell down. Picture this. Yeah, literally. And then in the doorway. I'm surprised they didn't slip on the balls. That would be the best. It was like a Looney Tunes situation.

Workers went up to my friend who was with me, who I straight up abandoned. Friend of the Year award goes to me. And started yelling at her and accused her of breaking it and getting the balls everywhere. So I had to walk back in, tripping over balls as I go. All right, there we go. To fess up and profusely apologize they were so

angry understandably they aren't paid for this shit i mean it's not come on i don't think i understand they can be frustrated but like it's not your if it's so easy to break the thing then it's not the person who broke its fall do they say where in europe they were no um we could all make our choice we could all make our choice of our least favorite the people with the shortest feet oh yeah jordan's a france hater this is why yeah this is yeah you know they were all like oh you drop your balls i don't do it i do not pay to pick up balls they were so angry understandably they aren't paid for this shit and wouldn't serve us food.

Okay, that's fucked up. That's insane. That is insane. It is not. They did not vandalize this thing. LOL, I was ready to come home immediately. Then on the same trip, there's an epilogue. Then on the same trip, when I was visiting family in London, uh-oh, I was holding a pack of beer bottles by the handle, which snapped and they

smashed all over the floor of the supermarket. Is this person like an ex-man whose powers are emerging and they're like becoming too strong? They're like, I held it too tight and broke it. They got angry at me again, understandably. I don't think so. I don't think it's understandable. This person has had so many of these situations in life that they're like, maybe it's my fault. Maybe it is my fault. I am here to say EA Sports that it is not your fault. I think maybe they could get angry if this was like the third day in a row.

Yeah. Oh, here we go. Also on this trip, before I got out to my extended family in the UK, one of my cousins and uncles thought it would be funny to tell my homophobic grandma that I'm a lesbian with a girlfriend in Sweden who I was e-dating for a laugh while we were at the family gathering.

Uh-oh. It's quite the laugh. Yeah. Doing something cruel. While I don't have an online Swedish girlfriend, I am gay. So I don't think I need to explain how hilarious yet awkward that entire situation was. I don't think it's hilarious.

This is the most accommodating person. This person's being downright European. Yeah. They're like, they're like, who was it? One of my cousins and uncles thought it'd be funny to tell, you know,

to, to hate crime to like my family. And I get it. Cause it was a laugh. You know what I mean? The day prior they'd hit me with their smart car and I thought to myself, oh, James. They're like, well, I wasn't actually dating someone

of the same sex. I do be gay though. So I was asking for it. No, this is wrong. Okay, you were wronged. That's the part that's more offensive. Moral of the story, Europeans are scary and I'm an idiot. You're not an idiot ea sports

it's in the game in the game ea sports big um that went on way too long oh i love your content so much oh well thank you i just want you to be kinder to yourself is is what i want and also hey i haven't seen any great emails from Europeans. Let's just put it that way. Yeah, there's going to be another one. Awkward story. I was working at the hotel, which I hate. And some loser. Awkward story.

Bonjour. Bonjour. I was working at my French cafe when this freaking Kiwi. That sounds like a slur. This freaking New Zealander broke the chocolate ball dispenser. I leaned down to get the balls and the ring of garlic around my neck fell off and my smell of cheese that I naturally have. Oh my gosh.

It's fine. All right. Maybe stop throwing bananas under the pitch when there's black players. All right, France. I don't know. It's a real thing. They do. Oh God.

They all do. Well, I like this story. It was horrible, but thank you for sharing. I do want to hear more of these. Yeah, they're great. We've got, we got a ton in, but the more you send in, the more welcome it is. If you are French, I'm only playing around. I'm not really.

I'm only playing around. Feel free to mention it at the beginning of the email until I won't read it um i actually have a spam filter on dot dot fr emails uh dot um but uh yeah send me some more and they're great i really to ea sports you are not the villain in any you were not the villain in any of these stories very kind of you um we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're sorry it's in the game boom we're sorry see you later see ya girl Gucci girl how you doing how you moving on moving on how's your day looking that future girl future girl yeah we on now take my money go away what you want it go too rich for me