Sad Boyz - Men Are Replacing Girlfriends With AI

Episode Date: October 31, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. Get to do the Weston snap. Sepia tone. Howley. Fuck. I said Howley. Howley? We can edit it, right?

Yeah. How-dee. Let me get a roll. d howdy i sound like a westworld character it's uh it's just the boys today what's up don't click off it's just the boys it's just the boys today we've got a we've got a fun docket of fanciful treats so today we got we're going to talk about um ai girlfriends uh a plague that's sweeping the nation that's in the thumbnail probably and uh a lot of wholesome stuff you've got a weird tier list i haven't seen that you want to do i don't know it's just going to be a jam packed fun episode we're trying some new things today i think it'll be a good time we're big

children today we're recording a few things so if you recognize the outfits across a few different pieces of content, hey, lock me up, pal. Seriously, Howley. That fuck. Wow. Sake. You gotta fix that. I'm not American.

I don't know. It's fucking me up, dude. In the UK, it's like scowly. It's making me angry. What's the UK equivalent of that? Pip-pip? Yeah. Hark.

Hark. Okay, well, people say cheerio. Yeah yeah that's when you're leaving right yeah yeah cheerio or tata tata but that's uh that's on the posh side of things right i uh grew up saying tara tara i believe i learned it from a friend of mine was from telford which is i think a little more in the tara game where i grew up it from a friend of mine who's from Telford which is I think a little more in the Torah game where I grew up it's a right or cheers cheers is a

goodbye cheers my love do you know about Gotham or as I say Gotham the British city

it's spelled Gotham but it's like what the inspiration it's like Gotham or something like's like the inspiration. Oh, it's really Gotham or Gotham. It's like Gotham or something like that. Really? Yeah. I don't know. There's a, it's a very tragic story.

I watched the whole true crime video about it, but there was a man. Which is Britain is. Who dressed up. Yeah. It was just a, I think it was called history. Oh no. Yeah. It was, I feel like with this pillow, it doesn't look like I'm wearing pants.

I'm wearing shorts. So I i'm wearing pants i'm wearing shorts so i'm not wearing pants yep um but it was a true crime video about a guy who um unfortunately was unwell and underserved in in that regard and but dressed up as the joker and terrorized the public and so then people would you would go around goam or whatever and you'd be like and the police would be like have you seenham or whatever and you'd be like and the police would be like have you seen the joker and they'd be like not today but yes of course and i'm like that's such a bizarre i mean i suppose that's probably what life is like in gotham is the culture being like hey have you seen the joker yeah like yeah i'm sometimes yeah he does stuff

yeah i think that the story goes that whoever like go gotham was the gotham inspiration it was like the creator of creator of batman who i actually do not know you know creative about me uh bill finger is that real bill finger is uh the often not credited one that was actually responsible for well then i don't know who it was exactly but it's a situation where they like read it in some book and then they were like oh it actually sounds kind of sick yeah and then they they just pronounced it different but i do believe that the british city was the inspiration do you go ahead and pull up bob kane's original design for batman by the way he's just some fucking guy what is this some guy that's like kind of why does that go there he looks awesome that is just a guy i think it i like and he is a bat it's just a domino mask

which i think is fun the only thing about him being a bat is the wings you know what's wild is the original batman looks like robin yeah he does he looks like a real boy wonder um so if i was white and i had that kind of hair i would become i would do little cute coif like that yeah you would actually i think be way more famous yeah for sure i do little backflips and shit um i do backflips and people love you oh yeah you're right i played minecraft yeah oh yeah dude you could you you would be tommy in it i would be tommy coming jordan in it guys i'm playing minecraft today and seeing how many happens whatever oh yeah i mean he's also the kindest guy tommy shout out uh also very mature very good good head on his shoulders from what i've seen

and from what i've heard. I've met him once. Based on my notes. He said, I'm Tommy. And I said, hey, hey man. He said, howdy. Howdy, Jarvis. Jordan, how was your week? Before we get into that, let's talk about today's sponsor, Aura. Aura is an app that helps you control what private information is shared about you online. There is a ton of information that can be found out about you online.

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I'm so afraid, but he thinks I'm brave. Thank God. I do think you're brave. He couldn't do this without me. That's true. No, it is. I forget what it was with Jacob. I was, you tripped your knee earlier.

And I went like, I jacob uh there's a a chance that boys could continue without me if job is done you are unemployed there's no way i've had a few close calls um because i i take the risk of wearing socks on my hardwood stairs which i am not trying to do i brought my socks down with me down here but then i had to run and then i put them on and i had to run back upstairs foolish to get something and i was like whoopsie doopsie um but it's much easier than i have fallen down my stairs but uh i was i feel like i've got some decent instincts when it comes to like tucking and rolling and trying to protect all the appropriate bits so i didn't end up hurting myself um so i was good i mean it hurt that i i think i like scrape my foot against the stair it's fine

everything's fine it is a weird like i feel like we talked about it at one point, but there was just a period of time where falling over when you're a kid is like part of the ecosystem of being a kid. Yeah. Your center of gravity is so low. You just fall over. You get scraped. You're like, did you guys see me fall over? And some kids are better at falling over. Some kids are worse at it.

Whatever. Now, if I fall over, I'm hurt for the rest of my life like yeah two percent i just have a slightly lower max hp for i have this like you're like an iphone battery it like gets worse over time planned obsolescence yeah i've got like a i don't even remember why i have this little like on the side of my thigh here i did a bad stretch one time and i'm like well that's kind of a nasty sound anyway back to oh no that's kind of getting me yeah i'll like put a i don't know like uh some of that like a painkiller cream on it something maybe take a couple let the inflammation

go down have a shot of ginger who knows welcome the next day i'm like oh i live this is life yeah i'm this jordan is he includes like this edition of me includes a bad leg now for life. I haven't, I hadn't had any sort of sprains or strains to my body through most of my life. I haven't ever broken a bone and that has not prepared me for probably what's going to happen in the future. But I, um, when I was training for creator clash, I remember when I was like learning the motion to throw a hook. Uh, it's one of those things where if you don't do it right, which you won't, when you're first learning something, you're like, you're like over twisting your back. You're twisting the wrong parts of your body

oh is that how you hurt yeah and i like overextended my like back and uh ended up having to like it nothing was ever that that bad but it was so scary and you want to avoid like permanently because you hear about back problems it's like a huge thing that's like very difficult to fix so i went to um as a precaution i just immediately went to physical therapy started doing a lot of core exercises learned about like where i was and wasn't flexible and like what to work on um and then i had and then every single day after that for like the duration of training i took my foam roller which is like over there and i had foam roller exercises to do i should still be doing them but since i'm not doing much activity right now i have distinct memories of us kind of because this was this was your last apartment

right yeah there was i have distinct memories of us kind of like ideating on new sad boys like what's that was going to be yeah set up that it's a similar time period to the very first kind of return episode we're in your office that was we were like bring something about that i was crashing with you while i was looking for a new apartment in la and while i was with you i have this distinct memory of like curve beer and i'm playing silently on the tv dipper trying to just like get in the nook of like my face, just doing his thing. And you sliding back and forth on the foam roller. Yeah, yeah.

Like doing the roll. There's something about like, you know, if I'm in like, if I get amnesia, you're like, I'm like at home, it's like, Jordan, wake up, wake up. Foam roller. And I was like, I see Dipper and I'm like, foam roller, Larry David. Foam rollers are like 10 15 bucks and i think you probably even find it for cheaper and i am i kind of want to buy more of them so that i have them in every room i don't care for the bumpy one but i just don't like carrying them around and i would like

there to be a foam roller in every place that i go so that i could just do my roles whenever i need to apartment now i mean how many fucking places have i lived in the last four years like six apartments or something the one i am in now is the first one was stairs it's three floors and if something's on a different floor including like water yeah like i don't think i'm having water today i yeah for that's part of the reason we yeah have uh you know like water for our guests and ourselves i guess down here is because you know going up going up and down the stairs i realize how um much better you know i'm doing a lot of walking because of pokemon go uh i also am doing a lot more tripping because of pokemon go and uh because there's uneven sidewalks everywhere dude it's like hiking

hiking on the sidewalk seeing a baby stroller rock like uh an f1 vehicle like losing its wheel yeah and i do the thing the trip um you'll you'll recognize this trip. You're like walking, walking, walking. And then you put your foot forward and then your foot kicks like an elevated sidewalk because the sidewalk is like sticking up. And then you do one of these where you go up and then you have to like catch yourself. I do that so often, but I haven't actually fallen knock on wood. Do you guys, either of you actually, do you have this thing where by myself, even if there's even in the street no one can see me do it i have this instinct to kind of do this aloof performance to react to it so i'll stand up for the video version well you can describe it if you like all right walking along hit the sidewalk right here yeah

instead of going like yeah i'm continuing with my life because who cares i have to go like who put that there yeah like just that was actually i did that on purpose and that was kind of just like a wacky joke i do like so well adjusted yeah i mean you guys seen this are you guys yeah come on or if i can pave the roads over here i think if like you forget your keys or airpods case or something and you walk like 20 feet from your apartment and you tap and you go like wobble your head like who's this for like i do that as if someone's gonna see you turn around and go back to your apartment and go like this guy's insane You do the Jim to the camera where you're just like, something happened. You go, okay.

What's that? Dwight, I killed you. What happens in that show? I put your whole, I put your newborn baby inside of Jell-O. Jim set my desk on fire. Isn't he wacky? What the hell? He's the likable one.

He's the likable one. And I'm bad. Because I'm a nerd. Yeah, because I'm a nerd. Because I'm like socially not comfortable and ambitious with my job. But I was going to say, I don't know why this was going to come up, but I realize I'm getting, I don't think I've gotten more in shape in, well, one thing it's like, personally, I need to eat better. It's really, I'm, I've talked about this before. Last night at 2am, I ordered Papa John's cheese sticks. Shouldn't have done that. There's no

nutritional value there. I had already eaten. I didn't need the food. I don't want to, I don't want to, um, vilify, you know, like eating to get full and stuff. But like me specifically, I like make these choices that are, have no value to me and have just immediate regret following them. Cause it's not like nutritionally valuable for me. It's not something that I want to do. It's more like a, a craving immediate, like dopamine thing trance that i fall into well the bastard british rat did bring you too many kit kats as well i can't help but no it's okay it's okay no uh and i and

i wouldn't trade it for the world but um but the i i do think that i you know i'm gonna try to make another effort to you know i'm not trying to deprive myself of good things it's more that i take it too far you know it's like like uh like in college it's like um i stopped drinking soda not because i want to vilify soda but it's because i was drinking it instead of water i was drinking i was going through a 12 pack of soda a day and for me my brain only knows like one or the other yeah and so i have to i'm i'm it's easier said than done to moderate for me because it's like it's because it's hard for me to have things in my home a lot of people with adhd may may um identify with this and relate to this because uh there's i've been following more like adhd eating instagram accounts and i'm noticing

memes and stuff that are like oh i get this this feels you know compulsive compulsive consumption yeah yeah and just like yeah eating for um just to make because it's you know with adhd you're like dopamine your dopamine sources are like your receptors for your dopamine are not as effective so it takes a lot more to get uh to get that benefit and food is such a rewarding activity brain chemical wise that i think that that's like one of the first things that comes to mind but like while chewing and swallowing it and then when it's done the sensation of being full is not as big a contributor yeah i don't think i realized till maybe post meds maybe even a little earlier than that i don't know um my family a good number of my family are like you know extended family pretty long-term and intense

drinkers it's like booze has just always been like my mom never drank but uh the extended family you know we like a drink and i and i recognize now in retrospect this pattern where uh most of the people i know especially in the u.s don't drink that much or that often but when they do the kind of sipping sitting with a cocktail hanging out and it made me realize that there is a like and my psych pointed it out that compulsive consumption for me is alcohol to the point where like i've had like ipa sat in my house for a little while because me and katie got just like a couple sets we're doing like a lost binge and we both like a beer and like hey we're here we'll just buy a surplus yeah and i can't not be drinking and i don't like drinking slowly so right one to two beers for me is worse than nothing by like a big margin you can i mean you

can probably partially remember it changed when i got meds but like 2017 i was just drunk all the time well i remember that you were yeah definitely just drinking more um it was just like hungover usually and it was this like loop of a i didn't know what i was if i was drinking beer instead i probably wouldn't have felt as bad just drink too many spirit right but there was the it was the getting home excited to get home after maybe even a really effective day at work and then wanting you know i just want to sit down and play a little overwatch i don't know and i can't enjoy it like it's not expressing i'm not getting the chemicals i need right the house is a mess because i'm low but i don't know i'm depressed or i may not even feel depressed, feel numb. Right. And then there's just, hey man,

there is a corner store right by my house. Yeah. There is cheap wine. I'm going to drink two bottles, zap playing Overwatch because I'm having a great time now. Yeah. And then the next day comes along,

you feel a little bit more low. I would wake up with, that would be the moment where I would order, you know, 30 chicken wings or whatever. you they're nice as you bite into the mantle of them and then it brings you nothing yeah i i always go like okay was that reward because like sometimes i'll like have a nice meal and i'll go that was great it. It was awesome social experience. Maybe I was eating with friends and blah, blah, blah, no regrets. You know what I mean? Even if I got dessert or a special treat, I don't think about it like that. But there are these times when it's like, I should just be asleep first of all. But like last night I was like, did that,

did that really feed my soul? You know what I mean? Like, like i sure i ate the food did i enjoy it do i want that was that really just like me kind of seeking a chemical reward rather than a sustenance reward it feels like that's my vice because i don't um i i haven't been drinking alcohol lately. I think it's probably been like a couple months since I've really like had really anything. But even if I have a little bit, I'll have, no, it was a month. But I only ever get tipsy now for social stuff

because I get so much social anxiety that I'm like, you know what, let me just like take off the edges a little bit and then it's very it's very much it's very much um sorry that's actually a very funny idea is someone that's just like i'm so shy can i just get a bit i could have i could have get myself moving i really do like um i i in college and stuff would drink for pleasure more. And I still think if it's like a nice night, like a date night or something like that, then maybe I'll treat myself to like an old fashioned,

I'll go pinkies up or whatever. But more recently, especially because I'm trying to avoid, or I'm trying to learn more about like my own habits with regard to consumption. I will, and I'm also like just like i have a unfortunately high tolerance when it comes to alcohol i will just get like a double vodka soda immediately down it and go like i'm trying to solve a problem the problem is i need to be slightly tipsy and i can't get drunk i haven't been drunk in so long because i

feel sick before i get drunk so that that's a good natural curber for me to not get into the get into that and it's something i don't have any control over which is like i i feel tipsy and nice and then i just need to sip on water because if i tip this if i tip this boat any further then it's going to capsize you know what i mean that is like a genetic advantage like i i maybe it's my irish tolerance or something where it's just like i've done it wrong i get hung over as shit but there is like a well i'm already almost drunk what if i got drunk and played balder's gate that's like i'm not enjoying balder's gate more i just already have a beer that's something that and i don't want to glorify i don't think either of us are glorifying a hole in any way we've only spoken about it in negative terms but but um i do think that i think you know uh it's okay to

um you know drink responsibly or whatever that's no that's not a hot take but i have never in my life drank alcohol and done something that uses my brain like and like the fact that you would like do you would like drink and like play like souls games is so crazy to me because it's like i don't my brain doesn't even function well my thing was like i i would drink make music that was like most when i got home i learned to make music because i was just drinking it's that's crazy but the the difference is like i tried getting into weed like because i used to smoke weed as like a kid or like a teenager but then i moved to the u.s and it was like readily available and i tried and it was better you know but i just it just didn't work for me it made me too paranoid too anxious about

shit yeah but i i mean ethan's very public about it even it smokes a good good chunk of weed he smokes that good good good chunk one huge chunk yeah every day a chunk you go to the dispensary you're like i'd like one chunk please yeah i, I'm like nervous. I sound like a cop. I'll take a piece. You know weed is legal here, right? Of course. And I'm a smoke pot. I'm a pot addict. Okay.

You don't really need to tell me that. I'm just behind the counter. Good. And it's a legal way to do to buy it. Yeah, we're an establishment we're we're regulated by the government everything's fine okay you seem disappointed you sell anything bad do you so you're like a cop that wants to break the law no i'm just a guy with a square shape on his chest oh with a square shape can you talk into it oh it sounds like this is some

sort of weird sting operation for my legitimate business okay no fine but we do have ketamine in the back okay oh no bang bang why are we why is this all escalated that shooting me is still illegal oh can i tell a cop story real quick yeah please is that you wanted to be one yeah dude i this is my big pivot my big announcement i imagine i become a cop the hearts we would break becoming cops dude i i just dude if i'm if i'm being honest my inspiration was the cop slide i want to live it myself um he survived the uh and he wasn't he didn't get disciplined for some reason not for some reason why would he ever have been disciplined for writing in this life anyway um

we were what was this so um i went to a gala before my surgery um put on by cutie cinderella gala for good raising um raising money for the rainforest rainforest related charities hosted by cutie cinderella and maya higa thanks for thanks for having me i gotta find an excuse to wear the outfit i didn't oh yeah yeah i ever left town before but i went there um i was there with my friend. And we were in the Uber on the way to an after party. So after the gala, I... It was more of an after gala. It was an after gala. After the gala, I was tired.

I was spent. But I had to force myself. I don't like to be a bailer. I don't like to be a bailer. I don't like to be the guy that bails. So I was like, I'm going to muster the courage to continue being out. But first I need to go take Dipper out. So we like Ubered back to my place, took Dipper to potty, and then mustered up the courage again to leave, which is near impossible.

Respect. Near impossible. Did you avoid sitting down? Because that would have been it for me. I think I didn't change. I was in a suit and I was like, if I change, it's game over. And so on the way to the venue, some normal bar, we're slowly approaching the curb to for the Uber driver to let us out. And a cop flashes

their lights and pulls over the uber driver and there was no chase there was no pursuit it did not last really any amount of time it was like they go boop and then person pulls over immediately right at the bar you're like this is we're about to be at the destination. And the reason I'm stressing how slow everything was occurring is because the driver then put his windows down. He said, I'm going to put the windows down just, you know, as an act of courtesy.

I'm going to put my hands on the wheel so that they can see where they are. Everything's calm. The officers approach. Flashlight in hand. Don't in hand don't move don't move open the door the fuck flashing the uh flashing the flashlight at us and stuff um and we're just like sitting in the back seat like we were just in our little suits and then where would i move yeah and uh and then i think he was trying to say something and they like started shouting at the driver and the driver was like i i'm an uber driver and then they

were like okay he's an uber driver and it was like well i i don't understand why things are so latin no one was everybody's chilling and the issue was that the uber drivers uh windows were too tented oh so they were gonna shoot them clean they just said um you can't oh yeah one of the guys was like it was like good cop bad cop one of the guys were like and then we were just like relax good sir um you're being soy i don't know if you have like a anger meter that you have to spend every day and you've like had a pretty slow day so now you just gotta like blow your load on us yeah quota yeah um and uh and so he um so he was like i'm an uber driver these are my passengers and we go hi we're the passengers.

And then the guy's like, okay. And he can't hold it in. He can't hold it in the anger. So then he passes it over to good cop. And he's like, you can't, those windows can't be that. So much of cops lives is trying to swag out an unreasonable claim. Yeah. They just can't.

Yeah. They're just too dark. i'm like okay we just we're just why tell me i'm a passenger yeah and he's they're giving a lecture to the guy and he's like okay okay okay and then he's like i'm dropping him off we're right here at the place and they're like okay there's also i think a very good chance they're not too tinted i would say yeah i mean the car does have to pass an inspection for uber so i do also want to note that it was at night time so there is a limited disability why is it so dark at night time you tented the sky you made my torch bright stop it you're doing this thing where every now and then my eyes close really quick for a second yeah i can't see you just blint you're blinking oh sorry stop yeah the amount that things

were diffused when he said i'm an uber driver was like too much where he's like i was like who did you think you found you found the like the window tint bandit or whatever. Like the guy who's like, he's like, he's driving around in like a Toyota Prius with tinted windows. I go into like happy go lucky. You know, I'm just the nicest guy and I've never done a crime. Well, I'm one of the good ones. I'm just like, I'm sorry, sir. Sorry to sorry to inconvenience you on your day. I'm just going to go over here to my.

Oh, please put down the gun. Stop resisting. I do. Also, I was in that moment. i was like thank god i'm in a suit thank god i look really like put together and nice like a briefcase because it really diffuses it helps to unfortunately like it helps to diffuse the moment where you're like no sir sorry i'm an upstanding i'm an upstanding fancy man. I'm on my way to a fancy thing. It literally does matter that you weren't wearing a hoodie, which is crazy.

Which is insane. But the fact that my mind went, they're gonna look at me and they're not gonna be threatened is insane. Like the fact that I had to go like, is there anything threatening about me? Like I immediately have to like be effusive and like almost um make myself small like in in a way of like oh sir please i i'm just playing pokemon go that happened to me recently uh somebody a cop

nerd bang bang bang yeah a car pulled up to me a cop car car pulled up to me on my street. I was just like walking to doing my coffee walk. And I think I stopped on like a park bench to like do a raid and Pokemon go or something. And I totally have like a voice that I noticed like changed where they're like, excuse me, sir. And I was like, you rang? No. Hello. And they're like, sorry, have you seen, have you seen some, like a kid in a backpack walk around?

I live near a school. Who? Simon? No. Yeah. And I was like, no, sorry. Though I have to admit, I've just been looking down at my phone playing Pokemon Go. Ha ha ha ha ha.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, sorry, I wish I would be more vigilant, officer. I've been, I'm just a dummy who's been trying to fight Gengar. Yeah. No, seriously. Come back. No. And then there. vigilant officer i've been i'm just a dummy who's been trying to fight gengar yeah no seriously come back no and then there i was just watching a true crime video about how swag the police are yeah nice off nice outfit did you make that yourself i was watching body cam bloopers from

police who walk into dunkin donuts and get a standing ovation or whatever get something healthy because not all of you would think the worst thing you could ever imagine happening on footage. I was just thinking about how unfair it is that they have to be on all the time. What the hell is that about? Yeah, just let them turn it off. Yeah, turn them off. It's loud. So that just reminded me of that.

They have to have a body come on while they like piss. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of cool. That's kind of cool. Oh, yeah. But before we move on, there anything um in terms of how i'm doing i was just gonna ask what's up we i mean we caught up a little before the show but not much about this yeah i'm mostly good nose still recovering nose goes still recovering

had a little scare yesterday where a friend of mine bumped me in the face very lightly, but it was like very painful just due to the nature of the surgery. And I told you before I ruined my mom's surgery. I was like a little kid. I stepped on her face after a TV interceptor. And it like lingered for a while. Like it felt like I'd been punched in the face for like four hours after that. But I called the doctor and they're like, if it's not bleeding and your nose is like, looks the same, then, um, then there's not cause for concern. And I'm like, okay. But it's just, it's just, uh, I have to be on like extra high alert and I've been careful, but it's like, obviously like it was an act, a freak accident of someone else. You know, i don't have to sleep upright anymore which is nice i'm still really fatigued all the time because it's going to be probably six to eight weeks before i think i have my follow-up in six weeks um because there's still uh you know trigger warning for medical uh uh discussion of grossness um but there's like scabbing and stuff like that that needs to like come out and

even if i uh put a q-tip up there well because i have to apply um antibiotics uh every day when i apply i can feel these like hard parts in my nose that for sure is just like the scab that's eventually going to come out good i know i'm so wrong but that feels awesome that sounds so cool well i will tell you and this is gross again i'm warning you um is uh there have been a few times when like a big scab comes out and it's like oddly satisfying yeah it's like when i don't like the videos of people bursting like peples and shit but uh but that is uh it comes out and i get excited i'm like yes uh were you ever did you ever have acne or a lot of pimples growing up or anything not a ton i did have some like i think my skin has become less oily over the years. And so I used to get pimples more.

Well, my theory is, because I was the same, I'm very light on pimples as a youngin. I think the pimple popping satisfaction comes from people that had a decent amount growing up, thus, or even just an average amount, thus have a more positive association with it, like more satisfaction and a desensitization to how gross it is.

Well, I would agree in general with that, but I will also counterpoint that some people are just freaks. Freaks are nasty, yeah. And do you know what a bot fly is? Yeah. I learned in like high school or something about people who watch bot fly bite like bursts and it's the videos are everywhere

and it is so gross don't look it up it's nasty unless you're like into that it's so nasty this is if somebody was to comment this is like shaming or whatever yes it is.

You're a nasty freak. You're nasty and that's gross. You're a nasty freak. It's cool that I can't stop drinking, but it's bad that you're watching something. But wait, how are you? How are things? It's okay. To your comfort. I have had this thought for a little while and I'm not sure.

I think I do want to say it. Okay. You can probably guess what it is because it's kind of a big thing happening right now in my life and it feels odd to not say it I don't I'm trying to write this line between like I care about this show I care about being transparent with people to a degree and this is related to a topic i've been pretty clandestine about but at the same time it just but also counterpoint you can operate at your own time like you don't owe anybody yeah etc i think i'm now at a point and who knows maybe i'll reach out later i'm like i want to cut this out or whatever which i have done in the past about this topic but i think it it's

i don't want to feel exploitative like i'm using it for content but at the same, I don't want to feel exploitative, like I'm using it for content, but at the same time, I don't want to kind of have it hanging in the air and being odd. Yeah. One of the reasons we missed a recent episode was kind of a... Double. We were both not available. And then the reason why the episode was late is because I was also back and, you know, this whole thing.

Yeah. But that was largely due to me being away a little more time than expected i went back to the uk can i say it out loud like physically yeah i think so my mom passed away which died i think we all know this line for that one right um which for you know people that know the the path didn't take for a long time now and i was caring for her for you know what two years there at some point it's it's i did my grieving over time so i'm there yeah it's it's it's no one it's like one of those things where there's no right way to grieve. And it happens with loss. It happens with relationships.

It's like sometimes you are mentally preparing and processing. Well, you know, three years, just under three years of like, like the way I was reacting even in the middle of it all was so much higher than. I know. I remember yeah the morning I like all of it was me uh two of the carers that were like closest and my aunt we just got McDonald's and like hung out and it was genuine just told stories and it was genuinely nice yeah but I kind of wanted to bring it up because it feels like conquering it a little bit to treat it as a very natural

thing out of town again soon for uh funeral stuff and then no more flying for a while i hope that's that's the plan but uh i'm fine no nobody need worry about it not fronting genuinely been pretty fine lots of people around me that are very supportive in that way a lot of people that i think uh are more worried about me than they need to like people like you i'm coming now i'm on my way i mean even for me when i was uh updating the patreon because we were um just like obviously things are going on um but i wanted to give a little bit of a heads up that at least on my end, I was like, oh, I'm, you know, still recovering from surgery. So things are a little later.

And, uh, uh, immediately after I posted, I edited it to be like, I'm fine. It went well, you know, like nobody be concerned. Um, but I, I totally know, uh, obviously the instinct comes from a good place, but I think we are, we don't want to use like, like it can be emotionally taxing for other people to ask for their well wishes and sympathy and stuff like that. And I think that we are a little self-sufficient maybe to a fault where we're like, it's fine, I'm fine. And I think health and also, I mean, in this case, dementia and the like is just,

it's like the things that happen very gradually are things that you reconcile with for long periods of time. With the exception of like getting hit by a car. Like you are dealing with going to physiotherapy or something like that for long periods of time or frequent doctor visits to be like,

so when is the surgery? What is the surgery? Oh, one of them told me my brain matter is dissolving and then you went back and they're just like, cap, no way. And then there's like, you know, us going in, in my case, going in for x-rays and things and then be like, it's the worst thing and things and then they'll be like it's

the worst thing and then leaving and they're like oh sorry i read upside down my bed i drew all over it by accident my kid got crayons yeah now it is like totally i think i'm as resolved with it as it gets i think maybe comparatively there's some scabs that are going to come out of my nose a little bit but it is i will say and this is like maybe for for you a little bit and for the audience a little bit too just like um and for me even when you know, it's like my mom passed when I was, uh, 11 and it was due to complications from a stroke. So she had a stroke when I was not home. I was, um, visiting my, uh, birth mother who I was just developing a relationship with at all. You know, it's like we have a relationship now, but she didn't raise raise me so it's like one of those situations and um and so i definitely i like harbored a lot of guilt that i

wasn't there and that like i i wasn't you know if i was there could we have acted faster and things like that um and even though it happened you know 20 years ago now Now, I still have like, flashes back to it. And I still, you know, have moments of processing that like things begin to contextualize over time. And it's all valid. And and um there i think in my mind there is no you're never technically just like you're never technically figured out life in the world you're never technically finished grieving it's like i my leg my fucking hamstring is never not gonna hurt a little hamstring's never not gonna hurt i uh it's like i am the most processed as one could possibly be calcified, you know, over two decades now. And I still every now and again have weird dreams or have like, you know, like flashes. It's never the like things that would be highlighted in a movie or something that's like actually as distinct right like

i keep getting these flashes when i put my socks on because i would help my mom with her socks and that was that's so little but what i don't do weirdly when i went i go in a hospital for appointments and stuff didn't even think of it we used to do that multiple times a week and it's like yeah whatever it's a hospital but something that doesn't sink like health issue mixed with like what cereal i would get or like what type of toast i would make you know that is yeah weirdly the thing i think about like most days and i really don't i don't think you would take it this way, but I really don't want to make this about myself. But this is a funny callback. I think it's relevant.

Me slipping on the stairs. I needed to just wear my slippers that are over there. But I, the first thing I thought of when I slipped on the stairs was the hospital grippy socks. Oh, yeah, yeah. That like my mom had worn at multiple points um and it's like a weirdly it's like i cannot have those socks in my home i don't want to look at them i don't want to see them um which is like a then every now and then the bad thing that they were full happens and you're like ah yeah and i'm like okay well i just really need to wear my slippers maybe i need you know like uh maybe i need a i need a foam roller in every room and i need it or on every floor because like now i i have like a narrow tall place where there's

like multiple floors um and uh i'm like maybe i also need some slippers on every floor so that I can not be taking the steps like with socks on. Or I just need to take my socks off when I go up the steps, whatever. But we'll just be very careful. People watching, I mean, partially I think we talk about this because when we talk about medication, for example, often the feedback we get is like, wow, that normalized it. Cool. Thanks for that. Or I appreciate that about what you talk about on the show and we appreciate getting those messages we haven't done that much talk about

grief in the same way so hopefully this kind of normalizes a degree of like if you feel very desensitized to it perfectly normal if you feel very sensitive to it in waves very normal if there's certain weird over specific triggers that remind you of moments of grief and pain that's i think undervalued i think that's like like i hear about that so much less like i've had family members die before and stuff like that but i think what's weird about this is i was like uh i don't really like this idea but it just is when you're a full-time carer you're kind of a parent to some degree or and then once i came back here i was at the guilt of like oh i should be there whatever thing happens now you know that kind of stuff and then

when the death comes you're almost just like oh i god for that little parent part of me is like oh my fucking kid like that's that's a crazy thought but then as soon as that moment is done all of a sudden you get to i don't know if you can not that you should but if you can i think it's kind of what you're describing there's like some it's very perfectly healthy to accept that it scars and doesn't like heal completely but better yet it like doesn't even scar it scabs and you can brush up against the wall and it's open it's as weird as it was i'll be honest like um again not to make it about myself but I think there's value in sharing. No, I find this helpful.

It's also sharing my experience as an onlooker, as almost a, you know, for someone in the audience who's not personally going through this, but may have had experience in the past or something like that. It's also a good contrast because mine was extended as an adult and yours was instantaneous as a kid. close to you while you're going through it that like sort of like put me in a place that i hadn't

been in a long time which is like an interesting it's one of those things where it's like oh it's like oh there's scars oh there's yeah you know it's like i haven't i haven't been to this emotional place it's like um it's almost like it's like uh i i have like an emotional map to my mind like to like go to different places oh i've been sad in this way before i've gone through this breakup i've like had this opportunity fall through but it's like i hadn't had a map emotionally to like that place in a very long time let's say that moment and like someone that was close to me yeah like a dark souls or an elven ring or something where you're like you've been exploring for a while you haven't been back to an area and then you open the door i'm like whoa i'm back to the fucking i didn't even realize i'd taken this route right i've gone south straight back right i

didn't know that you know i didn't know that there was a way to get back here you know what i mean it's almost like using a time machine like it's the same i can't change here i can't physically go back to my um childhood home because it doesn't exist in the same way that it did back there but i can travel those memories and like there's not and like there's different um entry points to get back to those places and like one for me is like i've looked on google street view of my old like childhood home and it's like it doesn't look the same but i can kind of see some of the okay that tree got cut down okay that's where this was and you can kind of generalize a lay for the lay of the land um and that's an entry point to oh i remember this experience and that experience and where I was when this happened.

And this is like the emotional version of that. I remember back to my childhood, we moved a lot, but sort of like the place we spent the longest, six years or so. I haven't been back there for, we haven't had it for a long time, 15 years, something like that. And that place, I walked past when I was back in Gloucester because it was in know some stroud and i just whipped around had to look around and you know that uh motif everybody expresses are like your childhood home looks small like you go inside like all the stuff's small the scale

yeah but it wasn't my childhood like i like i most of the time i was there i was at least over six foot it seemed smart granted didn't go inside it was from outside but it seemed small in a like value way like like i was by it and i'm like this seems so much smaller because at one point in time this was like this was it it's it's like your parents stronger than you or something it doesn't even matter whether they're taller than you it's just like you have a friend that's like got dense muscle yeah then you go back and you're like oh i i'm bigger than this i can beat up this muscles have atrophied yeah what the hell happened i lived in 10 more houses and now i can come back and be like oh this is this is just a place made

a brick and i think one thing that's cool about this show is that we can talk about this and in the same breath talk about ai girlfriends which is still going to happen um and i think that that is like there's value in being able to like not everything emotional has to completely engulf the moment or your life you know what i mean like you can especially something as natural as i mean you cannot avoid death that is true well until my machine is complete until my machine is complete until i uh crash that plane because i'm afraid to interview microsoft because i shit all down the aisle. I can't go to Barcelona. Yeah. No, another thing I want to say that I,

you can close on it if you want, but because I want to say it a lot and it's very much a thing that will make me cry. So I'm doing it very, very quick. Not crying, I'm actually an alpha. I'm actually goaded. Big and strong, yeah. The show's called Tough Boys. No cry.

It's called Tough Testosterone, guys. Yeah, it's called Toxic Masculinity, How About Swag Masculinity. It's a long title. More like Brolic Masculinity. More like Broly. Legendary Super Boys. That's actually kind of cool. If we ever do like a Dragon Ball watch through.

Yeah, yeah. We, or Sad Boys Kai. That's good. The Uprich version. um we sad boys kai that's good again the abridged version we it scaled different times for different reasons but the reason i was able to find my mom when it the when the initial stroke happened and have the like tools to take care of her and the tools to support her financially but also logistically and still be employed and all of that

is completely because of you fuck I'm gonna cry no I just said I was goaded and talk strong idiot you saved our lives literally literally I mean you know both of us to some extent mine as well to a big extent but literally and that is i will never be able to thank you enough for that and she expressed the same she she loved you so much

hey i'm crying too so Pressed the same way. She loved you so much. Hey, I'm crying too. That is, I love you so much as well. And that will, I will never forget that. Yeah. And it is, and neither did she. She, I mean, actually one weird thing, I don't, well, I don't know how weird it is, and neither did she. She, I mean, actually one weird thing, I don't, well, I don't know how weird it is. It's different in every case, but she never forgot people.

That was like a, like a long-term memory was an issue. It was maybe short-term stuff. And even, you know, even when communication got bad. And one thing we would do a lot is like, I would say X and Y says hello. And I'd look at a little video of Brigham and their baby. And so I'd be like, hey, look, here's what's going on. Or like Nate and Rochelle, because she stayed with them for a while.

She's over here. And, you know, little pieces. And then I'd be like, Jarvis says hi. And the thing she would always say about if it was like Jarvis sends his love as well, she'd be like, oh, give jarvis my love too and then she would say either uh how's like patreon or she'd go like how's the podcast oh that was really cute yeah because you need to listen to the you know right and i think it was it's just like a funny or like a are you still doing it and stuff like

that i thought that was that was always such a funny i think we i don't even know if it's on mic but i said a second ago it's like a thing we've been co-parenting right yeah no yeah best part of a decade that's so funny it's just big like uh it literally sounded like she was asking after our like stepson or something like so he's your winning son yeah he's sport yeah he's that seriously thank you i mean hey always here for you brother thanks man um what's with this robot chick you can date well real quick uh speaking of brigand uh brigand's husband james big polka player yeah dude and i didn't know this until brigandam and I went to a Jonas Brothers concert. No, dude. Our friendship level has been gradually developing.

You know, there's parent people just like in their bones. Yeah. To imagine a day where Brigham didn't have a kid is like. Yeah, I know. It's like Brigham's always been a dad. Brigham in a second of a video version of Santa Cruz? Yeah. It was either. It was either,

it was like there was Charlie Marie episode and Brigham episode and I don't know which came before. Oh, both at VidCon, yeah. Both at VidCon, both on the same bed. You can check out at Brigham, B-R-I-G-G-O-N because if you watch that original video of us

and then go over to his Instagram, you will get to witness the 30 pounds of muscle that he just put on in between it literally looks like when camale got jacks oh yeah that's so funny it makes no sense yeah it's i mean shout out shout out to just friends shout out to friends especially for kind of exactly what we've been talking about um okay wait so before we jump into the AI thing, the most wholesome video I've ever seen, I have to show you. Have you seen the white guy trying Indian food

for the first time? No. Okay. I saw that on the board. To know that it's wholesome is nice. I was seeing the title. It is. I 100% agree.

It's a car food review guy. It tickled me in such a beautiful way does uh do we find out his name because i want to guess i uh his name might be in his a tiktok app but i actually don't know it i will take a swing at he's kind of a younger guy otherwise i'd say like simon but he's too young for simon we'll double check though uh that he the this is the original upload on the tiktok at and then we can like shout him out for some reason i keep thinking of aaron and i don't think it is aaron is i don't think you wear a tie i want to say like a randy yeah randy or uh well i tell you what is what's his accent is he like southernism it's like it's not southern i want to say it's

like midwest yeah katie if you're one of the only midwest people like well that's not true we know a lot of midwest people but she's uh she's the only midwest accent i know i know this is gonna this is gonna be so great lu Luke. Okay, cool. Luke Foods. Luke Foods. What was I thinking? Aaron? That's a Luke till the day he was born. A biblical name. This incredibly sincere white guy trying Indian food for the first time and having his mind

blown is so wholesome. Today, we're trying Indian food. We got the buttered chicken, the garlic naan, the onion bagia, the riyab jamun. I think I got that right. And this came with some sauce and a whole basin of rice. His enthusiasm is addicting. Basin. And a whole basin of rice.

Basin. That was like a DJ Khaled tag. We got the butter chicken. We got the garlic naan. This is actually exactly like those DJ Khaled videos where he's like, and this? Yeah. And what is this? Yeah.

A basin. I'll dress like an Oreo. Basin. In Bowling Green, Kentucky. For a grand total of $35, Let's start with this onion bagia. This is great. It tastes like an onion ring, but there's no onion inside. It just has onion flavoring.

So it's kind of like a fry. I like it. I give this an eight. Now let's try a piece of this garlic naan. It's paper thin. That seasoning is out of this world. It has a nice garlic parmesan taste and that is cooked to perfection i'm not even joking it's thin bread but it has so much flavor to it in fact this might be the best bread i've ever had in my life wow 0.5 now let's try this it slaps so hard

he is not wrong at all. I can't make a... Look, I could be calling a Babe Ruth and everybody agrees with me. Or I could be way off base. I don't know. Way off base. I think Indian food, pound for pound, is the best takeout. I think you're on to something. I think I might be right oh and buffet food

oh incredible incredible buffet food because i think that indian food has solved the packaging problems that plague um a lot of takeout like the naan and the aluminum foil it comes out and you're like yes please you put this in a tiny oven for me the basin of rice the basin of rice and it's got a little condensation so the rice doesn't get too dry portions to expense a good ratio yeah it is i always too many portion uh but that's okay it's also very reheated reheat it's so reheatable every aspect of it is reheatable there was a uh place i around the corner when i was growing up went down there a few trips ago nostalgia got a pickup had way too much naan still wasn't able to finish all the naan despite my dad never have enough naan I never have enough naan personally.

Simply can't happen. Yeah. I just, I never want to stop eating it because it's always... Cooked to perfection is correct. It's... I don't know how they do it. Well, I don't know if this is sacrilegious, but the recommendation from the soothsayer, the wise genius... Is this our good friend to kill?

It's from one of the kind of family friends that works, I believe owns it. He was like, you're going to have too much naan. What you should do is, because it doesn't reheat as well as everything else. What you should do is tear it up into smaller pieces, maybe two inch pieces, salt it very lightly, tiny bit of butter oil in the pan, fry it a little.

Fry it a little. Take that then with rice if you want, but like that's where like the little chunks of, like if you have like leftover tandoori or something, pop it on there, a little chutney. Incredible. Whoa. Incredible for breakfast.

Yeah. Whoa. Little, Incredible for breakfast. Yeah. Whoa. Little, incredible breakfast. I went to India for a wedding in 2016. And it was with a friend of ours who then was like, you should interview at Patreon, the company I just joined. And that was, you know, where history was made. And I was very easily swayed to do so because we were eating we didn't stop eating and drinking the entire time i don't know what it

is with this is maybe going to border on some sort of racism but but 13 of the population commits 50 no but uh no but every man in the groom's family was obsessed with johnny walker black label and so if there are any uh indian like listeners from india can you explain this to me everyone is obsessed with johnny walker black label and we were drinking that shit the entire fucking the um i want to say it's called the barat it's like the bachelor party but it like lasts for like days um like a stag do yeah it we were doing nothing but eating the best food i've ever had in my life in drinking john Walker Black Label till the freaking cows came home. It was crazy.

God, that sounds good. Yeah. Barat is the groom's procession at the wedding ceremony. But anyway, I mean, shout out. Deal ups, dude. One last thing I'll just say because you just reminded me. I'm stealing a story, but Katie told me a story a couple days ago of a friend of hers that works in a coffee shop back in Michigan.

And I don't want to say where she's from. She probably said it. A friend of hers that works at a coffee shop has this anecdote from a customer that used to come in a few years ago. And they were very clearly Scandinavian. It's very clearly a European-esque accent, super tall, had all the signifiers. Blonde as the day is young. But they clearly were trying to appear American.

And so they were doing kind of an almost like Tommy Wiseau accent is the way to describe it. And he would go in and just be like, yeah, what is going on? I am loving to be watching Netflix

and watching it and chill. You know about that? You know, that kind of stuff. Right. And we laugh out loud.

They were like, would you like to play cash or card? And he goes, I like to pay cash or card and he goes i like to pay cash like johnny cash oh the guy that's like yeah you're you're you can't let people know you're not american so you're way overcompensating um okay chicken for the very first time now they didn't give me a fork or nothing so thankfully i had a fork in my car they didn't give me a fork or nothing. So, thankfully, I had a fork in my car.

But, yeah. He didn't give me a fork or nothing. That's a professional move. He's a professional. Yeah. Look at his truck. Holy. Oh, I'm fucking it up.

But, wait. I'm going to back this up first. But he's a professional. He came dressed in business casual. Yeah. Maybe he's not coming from work. To India's Oven in Bowling Green, Kentucky. Also, dude. casual yeah maybe he's not coming from india's oven in bowling green kentucky also dude line out the door for india's oven in bowling green kentucky after this shit goes viral you couldn't have asked for a better and deserved yes you could have asked for

a better um uh advertisement even for people who have never had indian food right like because that is because the people who know already know right this guy's reaching he's reaching an audience of people who are like maybe this is the first day i try indian food is the bread flat yeah and it's but it's packed full of flavor well was it parmesan i do like the idea for like non-adventurous eaters because i've like known many of them in my years uh if you have someone who like is from a similar background to you going out and trying these things and going you gotta try this i'm sure people are like well maybe that's broken down my walls a little bit which is cool which is just cool for like cultural appreciation and exchange you just you also just can't like you can't be a human being and see the delicious thick gravy of that food and be like not for me i my style i i need to

like mark my calendar and say you can eat as much indian food as you want on i don't know saturday or something because i right now want to to just fly to Bowling Green, Kentucky. Oh, dude, maybe we should. Yeah, we do. That would be such a funny waste of resources. Vegas has some pretty bolder Indian food. I guess, yeah. So I'm going to go to TwitchCon

and see what's up. You should go to TwitchCon. No, I'm flying. But the flights are not expensive. I got a Spirit Airlines flight. Holy crap. This might be the best thing I've ever tasted in my life. Whoa. Okay, let me chill out.

This chicken is like liquid. It just melts in your mouth, okay? And as for the butter taste, it's like liquid. It just melts in your mouth, okay? And as for the butter taste, it does taste a little oily. But what I'm really getting is a cinnamon taste for some reason. And this is absolutely delicious. You get giant chunks of chicken in here. You get a lot of it.

This thing was $15, I know. But look how much preparation and work went into this thing. And it's a big portion. It would take me forever to eat all this and this broth and everything this is divine it is not the best thing i've ever had in my life but it is truly divine one of the best things i've had in my life i give this a 9.9 i am absolutely blown away i'm gonna be getting this a lot more when he says like there's such a sincerity in his voice absolutely like i i like 9.9 i'm gonna be getting it a lot he's i i believe every word out of his mouth like if you were to tell me that he's a paid actor and he's like actually i'm it's like i'm i'm not from here but i do travel every now and then to bowling green i remember i

that oscar immediately i i came over to the u the u.s to do a uh u.s adaptation of bridgeton and while i was here i just missed my indian food you know what it's like back there i just love doing the um i love doing character work so i found found a kid. His name was Luke. I killed him. Stole his skin. What do you think acting is? It's when you assume someone's identity, right? How do you think they make movies?

Do you think Thanos is a guy? He was a guy until I killed him and stole his skin. He played Thanos? I snapped him out of existence. I snapped his throat. Alright, this is actually a moment. This is a moment right here. Gnaw and dip it

in the buttered chicken. Let's see how good this is. My taste buds have been violated. What the fuck? I'm tweaking.aking okay let's wrap this up with the gulab jamun it's just uh a lot of people talk about when he like finally puts the naan in the butter chicken it is a religious experience and that that's true it like i wish i I could forget Indian food and try it like he was. Indian food? In someone else's go.

I think it's rare. He brings something to mind, which is I do often think, how is this so good when I'm eating Indian food? And I don't think that when I'm eating a lot of different food. There's a lot of food that I'm like, I get my fill. But I don't know. There's no bottom when it comes to naan and butter chicken for me. And yes, you know, I get my fill, but I don't know. There's no bottom when it, when it comes to non and butter chicken for me. And yes, you should, you know, if you have already experienced non butter chicken, there's, you know, so much depth, so much variety to Indian cuisine from the North, from the South,

like truly try it all i mean the richness and wisdom of spice and flavor granted like came with us doing fucking horrendous shit but built a naval industry between britain and india yeah like we literally made a navy because our food tasted like shit um all right but i i just saw this uh edit i love i i wish it weren't for me so hard to find like genuinely wholesome things that are just videos of animals yeah yeah yeah i want to be the good talk and i like it yeah yeah um which this and like uh is it a gr smash yeah like that channel when he just talks about smash history that's the two um uh well i guess also the baba's guy yeah that was amazing um oh jacob can we jump back to the uh the deck goku really popped off in this way that was that

that actually does bring me a lot of joy oh Oh, that guy. Yeah. I got to go find that guy. Extremely goaded behavior from trunks here. Wait, I, we watched that, you know. In Canada. In Canada. And I, I don't think I've watched that channel since. And I've watched like a bunch of other channels. Let's, let's skip Trumpers Freedom Song.

It would be a crime to follow up something so happy with something so cringe yeah can we keep that for next week though i'm very curious yeah yeah um i think i'm gonna cut jarvis's favorite things too uh i was just gonna talk about v sauce's curiosity box which i get every every quarter now and there's something in this that i'll just show you in the bonus oh Oh, good. Young men are struggling. I genuinely want to acknowledge the fact that the manosphere existing is a response to there being young men who feel aggrieved. They feel lost. They don't have the answers snake oil sale open shows up says hey i've got some snake oil and it'll solve the problems that women cause by

the way women are the evil people right oh what a lifesaver now i know exactly what to dislike exactly and it's and that makes me feel better because I have somewhere to place the blame. Yeah. As opposed to this weird existential feeling that the world doesn't care about me. Exactly. And so those people, I do not think those people are bad people, especially the people who are young and still forming their opinions about the world. It's the snake oil salesman that have bad people yeah yeah yeah exactly and um and also not even young men but like uh dating is a nightmare i even for someone like me who is like um you know according to andrew tate like the the type of guy that other than the fact that i'm a soy cuck uh the type of guy that should be succeeding in life or whatever um i hate dating apps you know what i mean it makes me feel they make me feel so bad about myself and i have to

imagine that other people share that as well it's like I feel like I have so much to offer the world. I feel like my existence is being reduced to a few characteristics and a few photos. I am self-conscious that I'm being judged for about all these things based on my appearance. I don't know that I'm the most like at a glance, ooga ooga attractive guy. I don't think I'm an unattractive person by any means, but you know. It's something you're forced to reconcile with. It's something you're forced to reconcile with. Advertise yourself. Yeah, exactly.

And if you are very, about any of those topics, very genuinely insincere, very genuinely insecure about it, then you might not even dip in the pool you might feel too anxious or concerned or self-conscious to even make an account or even go to a bar or even start conversation right and those are all very valid feelings that are taken advantage of by people that financially benefit from you feeling bad and there are some solutions here because i'm in the interest of offering solutions. No black pills here. Yes. And one solution is to go out and about and do stuff, get some hobbies, go to some cooking classes, go on meetup, just go meet people, go to parties, whatever. Make yourself somebody you want to advertise.

It's got to be. It's a little bit of a grind it's like an rpg you got to like level up your social stats you know you're uh uh what is it in dnd it's not charm it's uh oh you're you're uh riz your charisma yeah yeah yeah you've got to you've got to like level your charisma you know what? You've got to grind that like it's a gosh darn video game. You've got to hit at least 14 base charisma, so you've got to plus two to raise base roles. Or I date, and I said that. Or fuck that.

Opt out of the dating market entirely and get yourself a brand new AI girlfriend. Problem solved. out of the dating market entirely and get yourself a brand new AI girlfriend problem solved okay so CNN ran a story recently about uh and it was an op-ed story and I'm like can CNN just turn off and they can't because they just need to be money it needs to be money 24 7 so uh this is the 24 hour news cycles problem but uh artificial love op-ed ai girlfriends ruining an entire generation of men dude cnn rocks because just now and then they will just like their journalistic pride evaporates because the topic that they were focusing on is yeah like cycled out and they'll just be like uh you know donald trump sits a hundred babies on fire you're like oh jesus thanks for reporting on that and

they'll just go like i don't know it's green red no it was green so i'm telling you oh look it's a dog that's pretty cool so there's a cnn video and it's about this startup that's created ai girlfriends and then quebel cop also created AI Girlfriends. Jacob, can you pull up Quebble Cop's Twitter? Because Quebble Cop tweeted, working on AI Girlfriends, they'll be safe for work only, though. It's not weird. Yeah. So, first of all all you already couldn't touch

them but second of all no sex stuff um he's so his relationship oh wait did he delete all his tweets oh that went back to 2020 what the heck did he pull is there another quabble cop twitter is there an ai one literally made by air that's bizarre so anyway um quabble cop tweeted uh an ai girlfriend didn't katie retweeted katie retweeted it because it was like the boobs were like breathing like her lungs oh wait no yeah oh okay oh okay that was because i wasn't signed in that was bizarre. Why does signing in... That shouldn't do anything. Twitter's done some poorly thought out features lately.

What the hell? Hold on. Was that a clown? Why was there a clown? I don't think that's true. Yeah. Is that Kramer? AI horror is going to be great. That's kramer

the joker goes to the ghost of a comedy club says the end oh my god uh okay wait what the fuck is this account i know can you actually just go to um katie's twitter uh skatey 420 or is it 421 it's katie 420 because i remember there's that time on instagram where she made skaty 421 um not following that can't feel good no no don't worry about it worse than nothing dude oh yeah there it is there it is there it is katie uh scroll down right there um here just click on it you're gonna have to have to. Oh, yeah. Here's high quality AI girlfriend test. It won't be long until this is possible in VR. AI girlfriends will be huge in 12 to 24 months.

Currently very small. Yeah, they're super small. We're going to turn them into giant. It's going to be like a kaiju movie. Girlfriends are terrorizing Tokyo. Uber eats. I don't know what i want to eat for dinner hey uh do you want to uh get something to eat oh anything's good anything is good how about

thai food no not that oh geez why didn't you pick something oh no the humanity why don't you pick something uh why don't we break up? I had a dream where you were mean to me. I don't like how you talk to that girl. I was just being nice to the server. Well, you don't do that. Okay, so that's QuavoCop's AI Girlfriend. But there's a company called like Cupid.AI. And they'll be talked about in the CNN video.

Let's watch it. What if the biggest AI threat of all is to human relationships? The movie Her seemed like absurd science fiction a decade ago. A lonely, heartbroken man played by Joaquin Phoenix finds solace in an artificial intelligence female voice that he talks to through his phone and earbuds. Okay, so they just recap real quick. Played by Scarlett Johansson. Yeah, he's just like, AI girlfriends are here and it's a movie of the movie. It's a review of the movie Her. That sci-fi concept fast becoming a troubling reality. As an example, here's one of countless chatbot apps providing AI friends.

It's called Cupid AI with a K for Cupid. It offers several avatars with distinct physical features and a list of personality traits for you to start interacting with and customizing. For instance, here's the opening message from an avatar named Alice, described as a curious and open-minded photographer. For instance, here's a conversation that I'm having with my AI girlfriend, Rebecca.

Do not talk to her. I want to come on here and tell you that she's mine. And do not touch her, even if I can't. She's going to be huge in 12 to 24 months my tiny girlfriend yeah and so i've got it i've got to uh eat eat up so that i too can grow i'm alice a 25 years old fun loving and adventurous girl seeking a partner in crime to travel the world with and make unforgettable memories you see they this isn't in her because it would suck because to have if they if scott johansson

had like a physical form in that movie and it came out and their mouth moved like it was being manipulated it's like annoying orange or whatever someone else's lips it looks like like when somebody records their face upside down and puts eyes on like the chin or whatever. Oh, yeah. If you are new here, let me explain a few things. You can chat with me as much as you want. If you're new here.

Are we at the park? New to earth? Yeah, if you're new to the world of an AI girlfriend. If you're new to this, the singular ai girlfriend if you're new to this the singularity maybe this is like a like a dom kink like like she's like if you're new here uh sit down and shut up and i'll tell you what's what look at my photos yeah and i'd be more than happy to learn more about you and please you in any way I can. You can't be happy is a thing.

You actually can't do it in any... The ways you can is one. It's this. It's looking scary. If you want me to send you a photo, you just have to ask it in the chat. Like, hey Alice, can you send me a picture of you? And I'll be more than happy to send you one.

It's like when you do a Lexus setup yeah it also the her head movements are working against her tone it feels like she's like sinister i'll be more than happy to send you one and then the photo is uh her standing next to like the Empire State Building. And it's like, like best friends. Yeah. It's her actually picking up the terrapisa with her fingers. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. She's pushing it back into place.

But of course, to bump up from texting to more voice chat, as well as receiving sexy and well, other sorts of pictures, Alice asked, sexy and other sorts you just mean like landscapes yeah sexy and other sorts of pictures like the empire state building and tourist photos i guess whoa oh wait i can't do that because my nose i started doing it again. It was flies. Um, can't Hurry up and join to enjoy unlimited text messages receive sexy and nude pictures. That's crazy. That's not safe for work

Um, that's free that they blurred this image. That's not nude. Yeah Ask that we become a premium member for $9.99 a month. So we bid her farewell But there are many who are in. What? Wait a second. You are on CNN right now. It was out of budget. Delivering your op-ed to CNN's millions of viewers. And she asked you for $9.99 to keep chatting. And you said, never mind.

You could buy that for less than Netflix. You were the worst journalist ever. Yeah. Imagine if you're doing reporting on Syria. And they're like, the flight's $200. All right. Well, as far as I can tell, it seems like things aren't going great. You know how articles have paywalls and then a lot of people don't pay? I feel like he did that. Like we reverse the journalist.

I mean, surely. I guess. Okay, here's my guess. He did this completely independently. This is him trying to get it expense reported. How did he get on CNN? Because it's like op-ed. I don't, I didn't know that they could just be like,

here's a guy who's got some stuff to say. Yo, what's up? Do you see, Look at my girlfriend. Yeah. I can't find her. She's too expensive. Engaging the Hill recently published a piece by my next guest, data science professor Liberty Vittert under the headline, AI girlfriends are ruining an entire generation of men. Calm down.

Okay, hold on. Hold on. Liberty Vittert. Engaging the Hill recently published a piece by my next guest, Okay. Data science professor Liberty Vitter under the headline AI. Liberty Vitter. That's cool. Is a fun name to say. That's a cyberpunk name right there.

It sounds like a, yeah, it also sounds like an Eminem lyric. Liberty Vitter when I'm in a bit of a lyrical miracle with Liberty Vitter. Lyrical miracle with the Liberty Vitter. Under the headline. That's a bit much. AI, relax. Dude, okay dude okay journalists do worse clickbait than youtubers i'm sorry like maybe that's a cold take but sometimes it's absurd and it's like yeah i mean honestly if you uh that top right thumbnail with his face in it you made that text

yellow and he was on a couch yeah that's a commentary video right there like why one in three men are not having sex yeah girlfriends are ruining an entire generation of men she wrote the following apps have created virtual girlfriends that talk to you love they say this like it's already sweeping the nation and everyone's doing it and i maybe i'm under a rock but i don't think that's the case if it had already done that i don't think it'd be on the news we would know because you know how we know it's weird is because once a year there's a profile on a guy who's dating a nintendo ds and everyone's like what the hell? Okay. I mean, it's ruining an entire generation. Okay.

Maybe the generation hasn't become men yet. Maybe this is from the future. There's a show on TNT where there's just an entire mini doc about that guy that married a roller coaster or whatever. And it's just like, yeah, men are marrying roller coasters across the globe. Yeah. You take that My Strange Addiction of the guy who's dating his car. Yeah.

And he's like, red Miatas are destroying an entire generation of men. Liberty Statuesque or whatever the name is. It's like the entire nation is being ruined by a Hyundai. Apps have created virtual girlfriends that talk to you, love you, allow you to live out your erotic fantasies and learn through data

exactly what you like and what you don't like, creating the perfect relationship. Counterpoint, they're not, hold on, hold your horses. We're recording it. Jordan, we're doing a video. $11.99. Okay, yeah.

Can I put this on the company? $9.99 for love what the hell this is ruining a generation this is ruining my generation um so uh creating the perfect i don't know i haven't read this this uh piece but this quote is very easy to poke some holes in like how is the perfect relationship? One where you cannot physically interact with your partner. I found a flaw. I guess if you like ever,

like I understand that long distance relationships are a thing, but those are usually driving towards in-person relationships. I don't know of like a pen pal long distance relationship where you can never meet. It's a bold claim that it's perfect. Yeah.

The air quotes should be around relationship. Yeah. All of it should be. They need to take this in quotes. Apps have created. Yeah. Apps have created virtual girlfriends. Of you, allow you to live out your erotic fantasies and learn through data exactly what you like and what you don't like creating the perfect

relationship and that young lonely men quote are choosing ai girlfriends over real women meaning they don't have relationships with real women don't marry them and then don't have and raise babies that how long is this study that's what i'm. That statement can only be true if you've been, if this, if AI girlfriends have been ruining a generation for like a decade. Yeah, literally. And every year they show the progress so far and they look like they're a Muppet on like moving really quick.

Yeah. There's motion blur in their eyes for some reason. They don't like also. They're making the perfect girlfriend with 200 teeth and an extra finger and that's just like and this is we had the biggest like leaps forward in ai over the past like two years so like there has not been enough time for you to say something also the premise that i don't think a single man watching this is gonna go go, yeah, I have so many options. There are so many women knocking, clawing at my door, regular sized, by the way, that want to date me, but I'd rather stay home and talk to Martha, my AI assistant.

My AI dental hygienist, for some reason they have a job. Who never leaves the park. Perfect. Always in the park. Send me a photo of the park. Yeah. And so like, I just, how can you say this? Okay.

Maybe they'll show up. This would actually honestly make sense if Liberty Vitted was dating one of these and they broke up with them to date an AI like one of these guys. And they're like, yeah, man, they freaking, they cheat on you with a robot. Right? All of us. Also, this is an, see, the thing is, both this guy, well, no, hold on. I don't know who this guy is, but this is just an opinion piece person. And I feel like you don't have to have any sort of like accreditation or any sort of clout or like they just let anybody write opinion.

I mean, they didn't even pay for the app. Yeah. Literally didn't use it. That's wild. With them, as I've discussed here before, we're living in an epidemic of loneliness among young men. Professor Scott Galloway told me that failing young men, he perceives to be an existential crisis for the country. Why?

Well, Pew found that 63. It's like, OK, I agree that like failing young men and women. But, you know, not to, you know, do the both sides thing, but like gentlemen, everything in between. Yeah. Yes, exactly. And but it's like, yes yes we are failing young men the but i do not think that the reason that we're failing young men is because of ai girlfriends i just don't it 18 to 29 in a year in like what i mean these these apps are like younger than the podcast.

Yeah, literally. In what world? Especially if they are 18, but they're single because of the robot. You know how I know they didn't talk to enough people? The margin of error is 7.1%. That is a gigantic percentage. That is a gigantic margin. Margin of error, fucking, I don't know. I don't know, 100?

Me and my friends. Plus or minus every percent? Now, there's a gigantic margin. Margin of error. Fucking, I don't know. I don't know. A hundred. Me and my friends. Plus or minus every percent. Three percent of young men under 30 are single compared with only 34 percent of women the same age. One in five American men who are unmarried and not in a romantic relationship report not having any close friends. And according to Pew, there's a. And that is solved how by. Oh, no no they're saying that it's ai friends ruined by a computer maybe hypothetically this isn't gonna make any sense whatever you say okay i i was just gonna say that maybe we uh don't like i don't know

the economy's not doing so good. People have to work to survive. They don't have a lot of common spaces to meet people, especially after they leave school. Yeah, because they're talking to the AI. Okay. But I just think- Their friends are asking to hang out and they're talking to the AI. Ever heard of it? Right.

I just don't. I think that part of it, especially in America, like, you know, like we don't really live in walkable cities, it's hard to like foster community when you've got to like drive everywhere. Cause the AI makes you drive. Like, even when I moved to Los Angeles, I had to know people already. And when I was in San Francisco, all my friends were friends that I had from college, it was like, or friends that I made from work.

But then also we just had a pandemic where no one was leaving their homes. I don't, I, it's like you didn't read the article at all. Okay. I feel like I'm going crazy. But I just think that if we just spend a few years indoors, especially during these formative years for building important relationships, it would stand to reason that there might be other causes of why these relationships aren't being formed and they may not

necessarily be AI girlfriends. No that's fair you're wrong it is the it's what it is is you've seen her sometimes you spin around with your phone at a dance or whatever the fact that they played that clip like

it is genuinely deranged and i don't know how much of it comes from the this this epidemic of people almost willfully misinterpreting the capacity and function of ai because it's interesting to talk about i guess yeah and then how much comes from wilford brimley or whatever this guy's name is legitimately believing that this is the case i don't know about uh uh libertine mcdonald that the person that wrote this but liberty and hunger for it there's just i'm sure a lot of people engaged with this more than say they would with a general cnn segment including ourselves what are the views are very powerful on this after two weeks but as a journalist as a reporter i don't care how cynical you are. Do you not have any pride? Do you not have any shame?

Like, what are you? What are you saying? You could have found out what AI is today and you would know that this doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. It's ruined a generation of men. Yeah. Can I just say that 50% of single men are looking for dates or relationship doesn't, I don't know how i'm supposed to feel about that number that seems fine i mean yeah only 50 percent of people are looking to be in a relationship maybe they're busy i think a very good bunch of those aren't looking to be at

a real that 50 percent have no interest in it and then the other portion of the 50 percent probably just stop yeah casually maybe it comes maybe it doesn't, but I've got stuff I care more about. Is the implication only 50% of people are looking for a relationship because the other 50% are dating their AI girlfriends? And they're dating them so hard, it's ruining the relationships of other people. Yeah, okay. Decline in the number of single men. That's a ton of a generation. 50% of people. Not having any close friends. And according to Pew, there's a decline. I'm just sorry, the close friends thing bothers me

because that's not even related to romantic relationships. It feels like you're ignoring the environmental context of this whole AI revolution. It's literally like being like, the thing that's getting people in all these car crashes is that they're wearing casts all the time. They've got that cast on from the last car crash. Well, no, the problem existed.

There's this weird bandaid that basically nobody is using because the actual issue is something way bigger. But that's not an interesting story to post, or at least not an easy story to report and have general audiences be like i remember space odyssey was scary these things these ai girlfriends they exist people are using them people are paying for them they're getting you know some success the business probably wouldn't exist if that weren't the case but i don't think that it's, I don't think that it's prevalent enough to use it as a reason that a generation has failed the loneliness quiz.

I mean, to be fair, this is the same fear mongering that happens every 10 years where 10 years ago, it's people only, it's the danger of dating apps. Nobody knows who anyone is. They're going to get murdered 10 years before that people's people only, it's the danger of dating apps. Nobody knows who anyone is. They're going to get murdered. 10 years before that, people are only DMing and talking on email and instant messaging. 10 years before that, it's people playing D&D and doing Satanism. Yeah, the dangers of being online.

These chat rooms are ruining an entire generation of men. I remember people saying, are you really going to order a book online? It's going to turn up full of fire. There there's gonna be a gun pointing at the pages what are you thinking it's gonna say it's gonna shoot out a little flag that says bang you made a friend on runescape they're going to kill you yeah the dps that's true in the number of single men actively seeking relationships or even casual dates currently around 50 joining me now is liberty vitter professor of data this is a stupid thing to be annoyed by what is the framing of this why is it slightly above the center of the graphic

this infographic is busted i thought in my head this is a video i thought we had scrolled up because of how it's centered on the page that's very funny the title is not centered it's not even justified it's just kind of it's it's centered left what is happening what is this to cnn uh and then it's also just got this it's not big enough or detailed enough and the white space is so white they're like uh vector graphics and animation team is working 24-7 on the motion graphics machine. And I think that we've overworked them. Someone's on Canva on their phone during the last sentence he was saying. He's emailing it to themselves.

Yeah, on the butter churn slash motion graphics creator one of those old cameras okay now liberty vidder is allegedly a data scientist which is like a big serious job and someone who uh i would trust with analyzing data what kind of range but but i i'm i'm you have my attention currently around 50% joining me now is Liberty Vittert professor of data science at Washington University in st. Louis a opinion contributor for that's a very good school Washington University in st. Louis very good school professor of data science there so like this sounds like a very serious person I she's AI so I will hear he looks like AI I will hear her out when i hear i i i want to hear

her out what if you hear her out and she speaks like this oh no it's the orange so not to be prurient at this time of day but are all the needs of these young men able to be facilitated taken care of What a stupid fucking question. And I hope the answer is not stupid because the answer is pretty clear to me. Also, I obviously context clues. He's like not to be crass is what he means by prurient. But I've never heard that word before. So let me just look it up.

Mr. Books over here. Yeah, Jesus, dude. Or is prurient like prudish? I mean, of course I know what it means so just you search it oh wow what does it mean prurient yeah just for me because you already know it um having or i'm stretching having or encouraging in excessive interest in sexual matters so he literally said like not to be too much sexy time and i'm about to be horned up like literally he had that loaded in the chamber dude he was

ready to speak yeah he was loaded up ready to blow oh so to speak please say no liberty please are all the needs of these young men able to be facilitated, taken care of by AI avatars? Well, you have to think about this word AI that is in. Okay. What, you know, Webster's Dictionary defines it. You have to think about this word prurient. It's not a virtual girlfriend. It's an AI girlfriend.

So it learns from you. It learns what you love. Okay. Weird distinction. What's a virtual girlfriend? Those things ai girlfriend so it learns from you it learns what you love okay weird distinction what's a virtual girl those things are not mutually exclusive your virtual girlfriend can be an ai girlfriend your ai girlfriend is a virtual girlfriend i mean when you say virtual girlfriend that you're talking about a picture that's what that is it's just i do believe virtual girlfriend is a fair thing to call an ai girlfriend yeah like and what you don't like what kind of pictures you like what kind of pictures you don't like and while not all needs are met that is the next step is actual physical what wait you know what i love about being in a relationship

is my girlfriend always knows what pictures i like and what pictures I don't like. Once that is met. Do you think they're all in the like, they keep making it sound like it's all about sex. But do you think your AI girlfriend will text you like, here's a cute bird I found? And then you have to reply, I don't like this. I don't like this. And you go, oh, okay, here's my boobs. I like this photo.

This is better. This is better. I like this. I don't like this. And you go, oh, okay, here's my boobs. I like this photo. This is better. This is better. I like this more. I mean, it's weird that she's got even a slightly like, reticent tone here. She like pulled, she should have gone like,

yes, that was my article. I a thousand percent. Also, it is a pandemic of loneliness, which is the cause of a lot of people not finding connection and friends and relationships and the like. But also also from like a logistical point of view to point out like hey they're not getting married not having kids etc who cares who gives a shit is that like a

so they are miserable that ego doesn't make any sense it's one of those things where like um i think people get doomer about it because there are other countries where they have an aging population. And if people aren't reproducing over a long enough period of time, then it's like, Oh no, we're not replacing the people that are dying. It's going to go away.

There's going to be, we're going to go extinct. But like famously, like Japan to some degree uh though it is wavering but japan has exactly that issue and they there's legislature to try and change it but like what could the government do right it's such a great incentives but the reason for that is not ai girlfriends it's, the beginning part. It's the feeling of isolation and lack of prioritization,

health, work dominating your life. Those are the things. This would be like the whack-a-mole. It's literally, yeah, I guess it's like the bit. It's like you're going to the paper cut factory and then after a long day

at the paper cut factory, you're just putting a bunch of band-aids on your paper cuts instead of not going to the paper cut factory, you're just putting a bunch of band-aids on your paper cuts instead of not going to the paper cut factory anymore. I don't like it here. Why am I getting all these paper cuts? These are ruining a generation. I've got to stop cutting lemons.

Yeah, so I don't... Why do people work at the paper cut factory? It seems like a terrible idea. I want to give... Victini, Victorini Modest City Spaghetti Motor City Liberty Tony Soprano

I feel like how much making fun of her name is okay. I don't know. A lot. But anyway. Should have had a better name. I want to give I definitely want to give her the benefit of the doubt because I think she's like to get to her position, she's extremely bright and very accomplished, a professor at a very big school doing a very hard job. But we need to talk about – this a little bit feels like, okay, the next step is physical girlfriends it's like okay so like would you say like sex dolls are like ruining a generation of men i guess people did say porn

ruined a generation whoops porn ruined a generation i think people do say that and there well yeah uh videoHS and DVD porn ruined a generation and play before that Playboy ruined a generation and then since then Pornhub ruined the generation

and then amateur porn and OnlyFans ruined the generation because that and also it ruined for the sex workers they've been tainted

yeah the fear-mongering just comes from this like existential intangible kind of like the loneliness problem. Yeah. This intangible like boomers being scared all the time.

Right. And like judging the quality of the world. Things aren't the way they were when my generation came up and we should all be scared about it. That must be the choice of the people that are suffering. Right. That has to be. Same shit. It's like we've got to get these

we've got to get these gen z kids to buy houses they keep they're not buying houses anymore they're buying diamonds yeah they're buying avocado toast and lattes and they're not buying houses which famously cost nine dollars it can't be that i was lucky because if if the result if my life my quality of life comes from luck then that means I am constantly at risk of losing everything. It wasn't me being smart. Be some type of pairing between what I've already shown to the CNN audience and something 3D that's going to be in your living room or bedroom? Yes. I mean, that is the world we are moving into.

And as you said, it's enabling this entire generation of young men to continue in this loneliness that's such cap dude that's not fair to me that is not fair to lonely men it's no problem it's not what are you talking about to ignore the societal and systemic issues plaguing lonely men and just like, there's a word that I want, issue? Yeah, sure. yeah sure um but anyway and to push all of those problems onto the uh ai girlfriends which adoption has to be in the low fractions of one percent extremely yeah yeah like it just cannot be that large to speak so confidently like that's the problem feels like you're being like um knowingly obtuse oh yeah and this will also be paired with uh maybe i mean maybe not cnn but equivalent styles of news reporting that will emphasize like all these immigrants

are having lottery babies there's being too many babies born by the wrong people they shouldn't be allowed to do that yeah and the truth is again it's just people not feeling comfortable and the reason i'm feeling comfortable is because the fucking world's imploding and they should be afraid but having to distribute that feeling to the people that they like the least which is people that are the least like them right so there's just uh it's why i mean it is the cause of like why even people that i would people that we have met or people that we will see online that in other ways, I think like ethically pretty close to us or philosophically or politically will just be like,

yeah, but OnlyFans is for gross freaks. It's dangerous. Even like to this day, if someone, like I talked to someone about what I do and they give me the like, you make a living doing that i'm like yeah is that okay is that is that allowed it's like you don't think that's gonna like it's like the the premise of the question is invalidating of like my already lived experience that i've been doing for years now yeah you don't think people are going to stop watching entertainment at some point what What are you thinking?

You've got to go to the paper cut factory like me. Oh, you know what this is like? This is the same. This feels like when news reporting from the Midwest reports on like L.A. crime statistics or like, but they don't use percent. They use population. And it's like, well, that's because there are people here. That's why there's like more murders and more like right right and it's obviously people that are like well yeah i mean ellie first of all ellie's expensive but also the san andreas fall at some point this place is going

to explode oh come on yeah seriously why do you need to find something more complicated than the government hates you and they're not helping you with stuff? Or, I mean, like, I guess I'm going to hear out the entirety of this argument, but me personally, where I'm standing right now. So what if you have an AI girlfriend? That may be a Bandai. Maybe Namco Bandai. Maybe a Namco Bandai. Namco Bandai.

So what if you have an AI girlfriend? That might just be a Band-Aid for the current moment. And it's okay to use Band-Aids. You know what I mean? Because I'm sure that the people who are engaged with AI girlfriends don't think this is the end all be all of life. And if they do, who cares? Who cares? But anyway, I doubt that that's the majority of people humans naturally want to interact and socialize with other humans it's like how we've

succeeded as a society so i don't think in good faith the people who are engaging in like ai chat AI chat, like whatever buddies are going, oh, finally, this is the life. This is it. It might just be a stopgap. You know what I mean? And like, let people live. Why are we trying to invalidate things that we couldn't possibly know the lasting effects of? And they don't really seem to have a firm stance

on which is cause and which is effect. Like, hey, chicken or egg? And I'm like, I would say egg. The egg of misery. Yeah. And then the chicken came out of it. And that's, I mean, that's the whole reason. And that's the chicken of misery.

And they keep saying shit like, hey, this, people are only having relationships online, which is causing them to not have relationships in person right i'm like no they they would like to date people the people doing this do want to be in a relationship they're part of the people that do want to be in it otherwise they wouldn't even be doing ai girlfriends right this it's such a strange idea and this is an approximation to cite that fucking number doesn't even make sense yeah only 50 of men want to be in relationships like that seems unrelated to what we're talking about is the correct answer a hundred percent a hundred single men should want to reproduce right now quick yeah you know sapodemic it's it's really the enabler

for this to continue oh professor what's going on with young women? She stopped like with a period. Like that was, I've said enough. None of this needs contextual. That was like a text where you're mad and you end it with a period. Yeah. If this is a trend among young men, is there something similarly taking place with the late? Show me, give me a little case study. Show me a guy, show me a young man that's, this is Joe, he's 26 years old, he met his AI girlfriend

when he was 18, eight years ago. Didn't happen because they didn't have any AI girlfriends back then. Sure, there's chatbots or whatever, but also,

relationships can end. Maybe, you know, like no shot, it like worked perfect. This feels almost exactly the same as like one night stands.

That's what's destroying everything. I know, really? Ladies? We don't see that, you know, with, as you saw's what's destroying everything i know really ladies we don't see that you know with with as you saw it's two to the ladies dude fucking that's creepy i'm only gonna yeah there's men and there's ladies yeah what's going on with the little girls huh what's what what about chicks he's smoking not to get prurient but uh my ass about to get prurient prurient one the ratio of single men to single women young women are marrying older men because they want to have children you say that like that's not a thing that's like happened for a

very long time is that i put the the older man the computer didn't they didn't fuck the computer or whatever young women are finding men from a different generation that didn't have ai girlfriends because the men from their generation are too busy talking to their ai girlfriends it's a shame that uh men of this generation won't get older they will stay young forever because of ai true and they have a biological clock and so you see them being with older men. And that is obviously causing huge issues with birth decline. We've had a 50% decline over the past 60 years because women. Because of AI. Because of AI.

Bro. Not wars. I'm sorry. It feels, I think, no now this is not my professional opinion. I'm not a data scientist, but it, to me, seems irresponsible to use that data point without addressing how society has changed in the past 60 years.

Am I wrong? Am I out of my mind? Am I out of my depth? Also, I don't want to be pedantic or prudential. I don't want to be pedantic about this. You're a data scientist. What's the exact number? Because it's not 50% on the dot.

It's like this just feels entirely too soon to make this entire argument. Hey, you know why boomers are called boomers? Because they're war ended and they had a bunch of kids. And then those children did nothing until Vietnam. And then nobody had kids. And then it was just a war after a war. Yeah, imagine. And less and less money.

Yeah, post baby boomers, you're like, well, yeah, 60 years ago, was that baby boomers? Well, I guess that would be when they would be having kids, 60 years ago. And then that would go into gen x which is when it really slowed down because they had no money and no water yeah okay baby baby boomers were born between 1946 and 1964 it is 2023 which means baby boomers have been decline like the birth decline birth rate has been declining since the baby boom which is almost by definition what a boom is

otherwise the next gen x would be called the boomer-ers. Yeah, and it's still booming. It won't stop booming. Look out. I'm from the boomiest generation. I have too many children. Yeah, dude, that's on the boomers. They're fertile for 50 years or whatever. You got time. Because, okay, if I'm over-indexing on that point that she's making,

why even bring that point up? And also, what are the goals? Is it a problem because we need the birth rate to return to a 60-year-ago thing? Or do we need it to trend upward? What is the goal? I'm so confused. And it happened because the movie Her came out.

Right. The silent film Her came out in the early 20s. Oh, sorry. I can't hear you. I'm too busy kissing Mike. What the hell? Is that Luann? I've got to call her unless she picks up the phone.

Send me the pictures I like. Do you have any penguins or some shit? Honestly, babe, I'm real mad. Can you send me a penguin? She sends boobs. You're like, I don't like this film. I don't like this picture. We've had a 50% decline over the past 60 years

because women go with older men. We also see psychologically that younger women, they have more close friends. They have more wider groups of friends. I hate to keep stopping it. Did she say? Go back like 10 seconds. The past 60 years because women go with older men. We also see psychological.

What does that mean? What? That doesn't make any sense. the past 60 years because women go with older men. We also see psychological- How did, what is that, what? That doesn't make any sense. The only argument that makes sense to me is that, which doesn't apply, is that the younger men are too busy with their AI girlfriends. Remember AI girlfriends from 1975? They were on those like big five megabyte room size

NASA computers. It's like a black and white photo of like a scientist in a lab coat with his, with the ENIAC or whatever. Kissing like the, the, the, oh fuck. What is it? The fucking, the big code with the Benedict Cumberbatch. Oh, um. Benedict Cumberbatch. He has a movie.

The Umami Code. Oh, no, no. The Enigma Code. Is that it? Oh, the Enigma Code. By the way, I did drop a reference when I said the ENIAC. This is the ENIAC. Is that like a...

This is a computer that took up a whole room. Jesus. Because I'm smart. Computer science. I don't worry about it. It's cool. I remember, of course, growing up when we would have really advanced, almost, I don't worry about it now that's cool I remember of course growing up when we would have really advanced almost you know one day it'll be 3d

on our little cube CRT smash melee and then I date my it follows you date peach it like follows the it follows the video game arc of improvement. So it's like they were dating Pong. It's kisses back and forth. That became a photo instead of a little ball. Logically, that younger women, they have more close friends. They have more wider groups of friends. And they are not being nearly as affected as young men. Right.

But that is a different thing. That's not. Yeah. but that is a different thing. That's... Because of AI. Get back to AI. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a sort of silent epidemic of loneliness. Okay, so we're just talking about loneliness in general? I have read about incels, involuntarily celibate guys

who are angry about it. I think their argument is that women today are less approachable. Has something happened? Has something shifted in terms of the dynamics, the power dynamics between young men and young women? I guess. Oh, no. I do love that he said, I just learned about these.

I just learned about these involuntary celibates. That's my question. I think there's certainly an argument there that, I mean, if you look at college campuses, there's more women than men. Women are having careers. They're having children later. No! I'm just going to look at my phone. I'm just going to date my phone because women

are going to law school. Yeah, that's true. I did once think about getting into a relationship, but then I read the metrics about how women were having careers and then I just decided to date Luann. I tell you, who doesn't have a bachelor's is my phone. So there might be an argument that men need to adapt to this change in women,

but calling it women's fault, I don't think is probably the right way to go. Absolutely not women's fault. That was a relief of an answer. Now, absolutely not women's fault. I will say that he did not imply either that it was woman's fault and so she is jumping to like this like incel talking point and like combating it without establishing it also they need to adapt to this situation of having more of women more

yeah it's like we need to adapt to the fact that women are out there they're getting jobs they're making friends they're not having phones it's like it's asymptomatic or unsympathetic sorry to to men to just say now look again like this we're talking about men so much because this is about the men loneliness epidemic thing. But like, it's unsympathetic to men to just say men need to adapt because that's not the issue. Like there's more societal things going on. And it's also not women's fault. It's not that women are different now or anything like that. Professor Scott Galloway, himself a professor at NYU Stern School of Business and host of a successful podcast, Professor-

No, no, skip the podcast. So yeah, NYU. Okay. This sounds like a very esteemed person. All these people seem very esteemed, which is why it's a little bit wrinkling my brain that they're having such a uh single track conversation devoid of contextual awareness i mean hey man there's only so much you can print if you don't have ink right like they are it's a good printer but they don't have anything to talk about or research when something interesting like ai comes out they can only rely on like the boomer brains there's only so much they have access to i gotta read this op-ed or g is the title of it he's often been a guest of mine

but i'm also like it's like you could criticize that i haven't read the op-ed yet but you're presenting the author of the op-ed and the author of the op-ed on television knowing that the majority of the people are not going to read the op-ed and are going to hear exactly what they're saying right now is not addressing pretty straightforward and obvious arguments. Especially with like vague stats that really aren't applicable. And also, I'm not going to read if CNN puts out an op-ed called actually Air Bud should be the only guy allowed to play basketball. I'm not going to read it.

This is dumb. I'm talking about the troubles among young men. I'm going to show you and everyone else something that he said to me on these airwaves about a year ago, and then you can react. Roll it. This is getting better. Yo, roll it. It's how focused. The issue is, whoa. It's an AI of him. I found a really smart, handsome man. A cutie. Who said some really insightful things. Nice, nice fit. Love his clothes. Cute lips. i don't know what it is about him he's also got a really good sense of style honestly it they're wearing the same outfit he looks like uh you know when like urkel gets in that machine and comes out

as stefano kell yeah he just looks like stefano his glasses are more fun he's just with a better camera like it's literally nothing different oh god that's awesome looks like a candid of him a group of men the low he's like he's the type to say i see myself in you all right oh but the issue is when you have a group of men the lower half of attractiveness of men and online dating which is doubled now it's about half of relationships and the top 20 percent of men in terms of attractiveness get about 60 percent of the interest you end up with a group of men that are more prone to conspiracy theory more prone to misogynistic content more prone to believe not believe in climate change random okay what what was he saying the cause of this wasn't um so this is uh i think this is a thing that's now i'm not here to

discredit uh this guy because i don't know anything about this guy but i do know in the like red pill communities a lot of the um a lot of the sort of economy of dating that they talk about. that's right. Is that, um, only the chads get all of the attractive women. And then if you're not, uh,

if you're not a Chad, then you kind of are left by the wayside. And all of the, all of the under eight out of tens. Ew, no way. Why would I do that? Because you know how on the Manistere podcast,

they're always like women's standards are unreasonable. They want a six whatever guy who's rich and who's funny and blah, blah. Men have to do so much. Women just have to do a little bit. That kind of thing. Women just have to live a really way more challenging life and just generally be kind of disenfranchised. No, no.

No, but they just delete your Instagram. Right. So this is like, so this is like, I also don't think that's correct. I think it's okay. And I think, I think the, when people are kind of crying out that they are feeling something very negative and they're feeling under cared for in the world, that's coming from somewhere.

They're not just making that up and then there are the people the hawks the sort of vultures that come in and they prey on that by giving them the uh convenient villain of like actually it's women's fault their standards are too high blah blah blah quantifying it down into something that you can cite yeah like as a data point like yeah the top 50 percent of attractiveness they say yeah i'm a little bit that i don't like that um well it's it's what it is is just like what people like when they're scared and confused is they're like facts facts over feelings or whatever and a nice thing that lets you pretend something is a fact is when it's a soundbite it's a repeatable

soundbite that you can send a tiktok clip you know, a show called like Balls and Cock Hour. And it no Instagram for girls. And it's just someone saying, yeah, actually, it's the top 50 percentile. And they say it like it's some kind of scientific research. When in reality, they just said it. And it has this little sinister implication that it's because women have the bad standards. Numbers are such a false, like they give such a false degree of authority because we've already talked about the Liberty person. um the uh um liberty person they the professor um the professor at uh uh um um you uh university of washington st louis incredible school very smart like again i cannot stress enough how this

person i i i am holding their word in higher regard because i know that they're not just a random person on the internet. They're a person who became a professor at a very good school and should know about this stuff. But as a media consumer, as somebody who talks on the internet, you can't just throw these numbers out and like without like every number that's been said by scott galloway here by um by liberty villert by scott galloway there every number that's been said has been something that we have had to hit an asterisk with and had a conversation about because you can't just throw these numbers around because they don't mean anything in a vacuum and then we look at the tiny tiny tiny little caption highlighting the source of that data and it's a two and a half week study within uh at a bar yeah just like oh

yeah this kind of thing happens and then people go how could the polls be wrong you know and it's like and the poll was like the people who would pick up their phone on a Tuesday at 3 p.m. Yeah. From a random stranger. I did a poll of only drunk drivers to see what's wrong with the damn road. I surveyed the r slash women suck subreddit. Scary. And I asked them if women were good.

Okay. So this is the american story if it's written with a pen whose ink is failing young men does does not end well this is an existential crisis failing young men okay look as someone that is maybe a little prone to overusing analogies like i gotta tell you sometimes you whiff and it is not kind of him to put that clip in when it really did not hit he he did think his uh his um drift compatible uh body double like he did think he was spitting he was like let me show you this attractive strong beautiful man yeah it was just a cool podcast yeah but the what people forget about ai is that the the pen

it is mightier than the sword the ink of the american fable finds the the man amongst the boys it's such a funny thing or not funny thing it's such a difficult thing to talk about because uh i am someone who could hear like the we're failing young men which is like also parroted by like your jordan peterson's of the world and roll my eyes right but but here we are making an express interest to try to acknowledge that there is a loneliness epidemic there are um young men who feel failed by society and that has created a um a target for grifters and people. Opening with reasonable shit is the metronome you set so that anytime somebody starts to criticize,

you're like, it's a very normal rhythm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The normal rhythm. I said at the start, hey, the sky's blue. And also maybe the age of concern should be 10. And then like, hold the fuck on. What did you say? I said the sky's blue, I said.

It's kind of like when he randomly said don't believe in climate change or whatever we're like wait hold on speak on that i mean this whole thing is like if people were blaming climate change or like they they just said like so there's there's a hole in the ozone we don't know why yeah but it turns out that there's a bunch of natural disasters happening do you think it's because my phone has like a lady on it isn't it crazy that um the uh whole the ozone is no longer a concern because we stopped using it's a huge um success of collective action i remember that being literally all people would talk about in terms of, I mean, to like almost a, like, a few, like an obscure degree. Like people would not talk about anything else

related to climate change. But when I was like 10 years old, the ozone layer concern was, that was like 9-11. It was like 9-11 every day. Yeah. In 2000, in the year 2000, the ozone reached its maximum size, the hole in the ozone layer ozone reached its maximum size. The hole in the ozone layer reached its maximum size in 2000 and has stopped increasing in size since.

And I'm like, we should talk about that more. We should get another one. It's attributable to phasing out of ozone depleting substances under the Montreal Protocol. And yeah. So anyway. It says it's actually because of AI. Sexy AI. Big booby goth.

Yeah. Like chlorofluorocarbons and stuff. AI women became so huge that they could grab the ozone layer and sew it together. Oh my God. Makes sense to you, Professor Vitter? Absolutely. You know, what happens is these young men get in these AI relationships. And because the AI learns from you.

Okay, we're back to AI. Okay, so he just spit. What the fuck? Is that his name? Let's go back to what he said just to like refresh. Sorry. It is looking into a world. Or half of attractiveness of men in online dating.

So he just spits out that attractiveness thing. It's doubled. Now it's about half of relationships. And the top 20% of men in terms of attractiveness get about. But I'm like, I'm to be completely frank. I am so surprised that like in my head, NYU Stern School of Business is like a pretty serious, pretty serious esteem. Right. business is like a pretty serious pretty serious esteem right and to be throwing out this like kind of uh ballparky attractiveness math and stuff feels like so like none of it feels academic it

doesn't feel academic yeah to be a legitimate academic with genuine interest in like accuracy for that to be your priority which it has to be to be good at it you aren't you can't also be a clout chasing media consultant yeah like yeah no matter how good the college fucking 20 of them are idiots it's just like no matter where you go yeah but those are the ones that because they don't care about or aren't good at the craft that they went there to do they go on shows like this get paid 40 grand to just say like, you know, like actually men and a phone is like they are married. I know. They use the lightning slot to have sex.

He has a podcast called Professor G and I was like, okay. All right. About 60% of the interest. You end up with a group of men that are more prone to conspiracy theory, more prone to misogynistic content, more. So he's drawing a direct line because it literally is it fucking comma in a sentence. So he's saying because all the attractive chads get all the ladies, ladies, specific choice, word choice. That leads to men who are prone to misogynistic content and not believing in climate change.

Which just coincidentally happened to be things that maybe would jeopardize the possibility of a relationship, make somebody less attractive, being difficult might make people not want to date you. I think that he's like skipping a few steps too, right? Because like, I feel like, okay, because like i feel like um okay because all the your perception is that all the chads are getting all the ladies that might not even be the reality right because uh spoiler alert the chads cannot date all the ladies at once it's well that's the

problem is it's starting at the end and it's not true it's like it's it's like uh when you see those conspiracy theories it's like yeah i guess rebauman did uh crack and got his dick sucked in limo and then you're like well yeah but that's not true and he goes yeah but you can imagine it being true he's like right yeah i guess if that did happen it would be interesting if it was true that all the chads were getting other women whereas instead that's just that's just what a kid thinks like when you don't get something that you want if you don't engage with it critically if you engage with it like a kid your first thought is like somebody else it's like the somebody's taking it from me it's not like something bad's just happening outside of my control or somebody else's it's like

i think it's all the chads doing this to me which means that women literally are being objectified like they're acquirable items which means that the women are being selfish and choosing these other guys just because they're pleasant to be around yeah there's so many like implications here that is not are not being said because they're just being like jumped through like um this is all dog whistles yeah yeah it where it's like it's a minefield of dog whistles. Like everywhere you step. So if the top 20% of guys are getting top 60% of women, the top 20% of guys cannot marry

the top 60% of women. That's not, you know, most of these people are in monogamous relationships. They're not all in Utah. So then there's like 40 some odd percent of women that now feel like they

deserve the chads and thus and thus are not willing to settle for the lower what he how what he described as the lower attract like half of attractive men or whatever you keep treating that like it's an objective measure by the way i agree it's they are so it's almost like a uh have you ever heard or like been near like bible study or something where you just realize how little access you have to all the references being made or like somebody talking about like uh deep dc comics law i'm like i mean damn i i don't hate numbers but this doesn't really seem to make sense yeah like they just in they out of nowhere just go like well you know how attractiveness is legally numbers based you know that's just true and we all believe it yeah it's like because it's so yeah it's a great point because i almost forgot

to mention that like uh it is possible that you like the premise here is that attractiveness is so objective that you would rather like if if you could date someone with a better number or whatever like a hotter attractiveness quotient then you would just like skip up to that to that person and that ignores the fact of like compatibility and love and just like personality and what the millions of things that make two people have a successful relationship. And who, what exactly? None of which are attractiveness. It keeps me all this up and then not giving a hypothesis for why and only leaving pretty computer lady. Because even in that example, it's like, okay, well, what was it then when all the boomers did get married?

What was the difference? Why did that happen? Well, that was dating apps. Oh, that's right. 1960? No, no, no, no. That was, yeah, it was AI girlfriends and dating apps. Also, yeah, guess what?

Somebody can tell me a rug, whatever. There's no fucking way 50% of relationships are from dating apps. I don't believe you. That's right. I get that i mean that is some bubble shit i will come out publicly and say i am a person who has spent a lot of money on dating apps i'll say it it just makes the experience better uh as a consumer for me or it has made the experience better historically.

And I have no shame in that. And, but dating apps up. I just, I cannot believe. But I do get it. I do get it. Cause I do know a lot of people who, you know, met via dating apps. I just think that it's a little like when people

refer to Twitter as a representation of the country because first of all like based on what census like what are you doing everyone what are you talking about yeah what they're referencing is hey we got in touch with like five percent of tinder users in the bay area and we reviewed how many of them are there is literally no way 50 of the country i don't believe you how a lot of those existed before dating apps i know especially if what it's probably some sort of 50 of men are dating robots or whatever it's probably it's probably one of those things where it's like men within this time window of relate we're only considering relationships that have formed in the past so-and-so amount of time. 50% of new relationships between August to September 2022 or whatever.

There are a suspicious number of like evocative stats that just so happen to be 50%. The easiest and kind of most intuitive number. 50% of marriages fail. Yeah. Did you know that? 50% of guys are ugly. I guess that you create it because you go the the lower half of attractiveness so like uh even if 99 of people were attractive then the lower half would still be 50 of the everyone five and under is less attractive. All right. Prone to believe, not believe in climate change.

So this is the American story. If it's written with a pen whose ink is failing young men, does not end well. This is an existential crisis. Failing young men. Just do it a book report, but didn't read the book. Yes. Huck Finn and they were on the water and the paint uh painting a fence i think was there somewhere and the guy's name is insane right

something like that um do you agree didn't read um so he his point is uh insane filling him in bad um and so and we can't do it it's going to ruin everything and so here's how uh So his point is filling them in bad. And so, and we can't do it. It's going to ruin everything. And so here's how Professor Liberty Vittert responds. Makes sense to you, Professor Vittert? Absolutely. You know, what happens is these young men get in these AI relationships.

And because the AI learns from you exactly what you like and you don't. This does not feel like it addresses what she just watched. What about the 50% of people that met through dating apps? Is the dating app the AI app? What happens is anyway back to, are you selling a book about AI? Like I genuinely am like, what is this magnet that's pulling you to keep blaming everything on AI girlfriends

when a year ago that guy didn't even utter those words? Okay. So weird. Don't like, you end up having these perfect relationships so that when you go into real life and you try to have a relationship, the most human thing we can do, it's not perfect. And there's ups and downs and they're not able to deal with these ups and downs, not only in relationships, but in life in general.

Because of AI? Because they're so, because AI relationships are so prevalent already. Of course. That men getting into relationships expect them to be perfect. So they don't have any capacity to navigate. Right. Difficulty. We now live in a world where people break up, where relationships have issues.

Right, because they used to be, because now relationships can be perfect, because AI relationships are perfect in every way. Okay. So, well, I mean, okay, well, here's another thing that, I mean, that's elephant in the room a little bit. In cells, Here's another thing that, I mean, that's elephant in the room a little bit. Incels, as a word, kind of includes a pretty important part of this that makes this make no sense. Incels name themselves that because they involuntarily aren't getting to have sex.

They're cool. And their solution to that is get a girlfriend that you can't have sex with. So the other thing about this is that to compare a relationship with an AI and to call that perfect is like me saying I have a perfect relationship with Pokemon Go because it doesn't argue with me. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, it's not, it's like it's not it's a i don't hold i don't if i'm dating somebody i don't go well i can't like i mean she's great but she won't let me do a mega salamence raid and so yeah you know this is making me realize though you know i'm playing a fair bit of ball skate still me and shadow heart do have a connection

that i think is maybe a little bit more profound than the real relationship that i am in because um sometimes when we you know if we get uber eats uh she's we don't always we aren't always able to choose it right away but when i'm hanging when i'm playing the game with shadow heart she doesn't even i just order the uber eats yeah and then shadow heart can't eat the uber eats oh yeah i guess she lets me have out because you're so generous yeah it doesn't venmo me though um that's annoying so perfect i just think that it is wild to like i won't say that if you are lonely and using ai relationships as a supplement for real relationships it's an apples to oranges comparison,

but it's certainly not apples to apples. And I refuse to believe that people in 2023 are holding it at a percentage that's like notable and something that we need to fear monger about on CNN, are holding real life relationships to the standard of their AI relationships. I have seen no evidence in my own life of that. And I would love

to hear more evidence than just like hand waving around like metrics that are unsourced i don't okay i have no backup for this because we really don't know yet i genuinely think that apps ai dating apps if they really are even somewhat fulfilling is that being explained to be which who knows i guess i'll prove maybe prove to be true again it's a little early to say anything super conclusive with data maybe we shouldn't be doing that yet i seems like a net positive to me seems like if these are resentful or challenged or lonely people and they have some outlet to at least feel a little bit of companionship i don't think the result of that is they become more mean and think climate change is even less real yeah it doesn't make any sense it seems like it would

take the edge off yeah because guess what you can cheat on an ai girlfriend you can you can if it like i said this is like a band-aid like, like, uh, uh, I feel like more often it's going to be a bandaid than a true replacement of human interaction. And so if, uh, I, it's like, it's like if the only way you could, I mean, I guess this is some people's reality depending on your religion, but if it's like the only way that you could have any sort of sexual gratification was through a committed relationship, then you might feel like on edge that you couldn't like let some steam off without that. But like, guess what? Porn didn't ruin like the existence of pornography didn't ruin humanity.

I guess some people believe that though. Yeah. And they have to, because otherwise they have to contend with the fact that it's more complicated. It's scarier. Yeah. It's like. Also, people are always going to point, I'm sure like as more and more of this happens, there's going to be more and more profiles of people that are specifically like power

users, super enthusiasts. Almost like that clip we saw. There's going to be that equivalent of people. Like we may even get comments that are like that clip we saw there's going to be that equivalent of people like we may even get comments that like yeah but there's a lot of people addicted to porn i'm like yeah not most people yeah it's not like most people are addicted to porn it's not like most people that even download one of the apps is only going to date the aig right i think it's it's a weirdly alarmist thing that starts at what if the worst case scenario happened 100% of the time? Yeah.

It's like people get into car accidents and that's bad. Some people die. But like that form of transportation has revolutionized society. You know what I mean? It's going anywhere. Yeah. And I'd say probably. It's not ruining a generation.

Probably a net positive overall. Not having to live in a village of 10 people or whatever yeah and yeah and i'm like okay well there's there's pros and there's cons right but i don't think anyone's going making the argument um i guess you know i do think cars have done a number on cities and uh building cities to be focused on cars versus like public transportation and stuff like that is overall. Yeah. Overall, like damaging. But I still wouldn't argue that the like invention of the car ruined society. No, that's why London slaps.

Like you can still get around. Cars existed in England for quite some time. Right. It's just the fact that car lobby here made incentives. Right. It wasn't because cars were great great point there's places other than america one and also there's places with great transportation and none of those places have outlawed cars so there's still value it so yeah

let's outlaw ai girlfriends so that everyone falls in love basically oh by the way it's starting to make sense why they didn't pay for and use the app. Because you would immediately see that it is hilarious how big a deal they're making. Oh, and we did pay for and use the app. So we're going to do that right after this. I don't know why I sounded like I was thrown into an ad. Professor Vitter, if a young man has an AI girlfriend, is there shame in that? In other words, is this the sort of thing that you share with your buddy or are you keeping it a secret?

Oh, I see. Like a family account? I thought he was just asking if it's shameful. Like, why are you asking this data science if something is shameful? Like, they're not the arbiter of shame. But I see what they're saying. Are the vibes off? They're saying, are people hiding this information?

You know, it's interesting. It started off as something that was kept secret sort of like the porn industry I'm young men wouldn't talk about porn or that, you know, that was playboy was was hidden behind some, you know Somehow somewhere but then it became part of the normal conversation and that's what we're and now we always talk about playboy And of course, it's dangerous. It's the thing we always talk about. Playboy destroyed the 15-minute city. The scene with AI girlfriends is now becoming part of the normal conversation, and it's no longer shameful, which means it becomes significantly bigger. Right.

Okay. And it isn't an issue. I don't believe you. I think it's quite shameful I think if someone was in a real AI relationship I do not know it I never in my life seen someone who's shouting that from the rooftops yeah I'd so the reason I don't know anybody is because it must be some degree of shameful if it's as big as it is to the never heard of someone doing it's almost like CNN would report on it. How rare it is or how relatively new it is. Also, Playboy was a publication that people bought with money.

Yeah. It being hidden somewhere secret. That's one of those weird like nostalgia glasses thing. It's like, yeah, maybe when you were a kid. Also, it was hidden somewhere secret for like the 13 year olds i knew who stole their dad's playboy how would how because they want to have it as a child yeah do you think it was every single time somebody went and bought a playboy it was like buying condoms you're like as a 25 year old like yeah sorry i'm so sure there's so many other things it's just like also as a society we were more uncomfortable i think we like started out more prudish or at least like if you go back to like

america and like the 50s and stuff like that like not talking about sex similarly to how we like didn't talk about mental health or whatever and then slowly we kind of talk about those things and then certain problems arise that probably were always problems, but were never spoken about Yeah, so they feel like they're being invented today. Yeah more divorce is happening out of nowhere divorce is happening more More people are mentally ill. What's what's the happening? It's almost as if It's a little bit more socially acceptable to talk about your feelings Listen to sad boys. And more, oddly enough, more women are pushing for divorce, getting divorced, and then not becoming destitute because they have no source of income.

That's weird. And I'm sure it's only going to get better and better. How do you know, man? You didn't even pay $9 to find out. I'm sure it's going to get better and better. Also, why did they shout out Cupid.ai? They haven't talked about it this whole time. That's just free advertising. That's because if they show the clips they were showing, people would be shout out Cupid.ai? They haven't talked about it this whole time. That's just free advertising.

That's because if they show the clips they were showing, people would be like, this sucks. Is this paid? I'm wondering the impact that it's going to have on a young man's... There, I'm showing one of these avatars right now. I'm also wondering, much like porn being ubiquitous, it's going to raise expectations, right? If porn is so accessible among young men, they're going to have expectations that that's, you know, the natural course of business when perhaps it isn't. Okay. So part of the issue, and I do think that like people have been porn brained and that is

a problem, but I think that it's another sort of outcropping of a different problem, which is like, it's not okay to talk about sex. It's not okay to talk about what's sexually healthy. One of the only places that people can learn about sexual health without shame is in porn. And so that gives a bad, or not, it gives a bad, but it gives a warped perspective on what porn is, which is very dramatized and like, kind of like this fake world

that's being created where certain things happen because it's like the it's like the clickbait of you know of sex and and they also whatever they talk again it's another thing that they talk about like it's some kind of like endemic natural thing like the trees and the wind it's like yeah porn that you know from there was uh three thousand years ago god created the trees and the wind it was like yeah porn that you know from there was uh three thousand years ago god created the skies and the birds and pornography right and then we just had it forever but be careful like adam ate the apple of right like i think that like porn um what did he what was he saying the problem with porn was? Oh, raising expectations. So, I don't think that there would be such a problem with porn raising expectations if we as a society outside of porn had more conversations about sex and what porn is. Because porn is like reality the way that movies are like reality.

Yeah. If we didn't talk about driving and you saw like Fast and Furious, you'd be like, I guess I should drive like that? Yeah. Because everyone's refusing to talk to me about it. And then people would be like, there's this huge problem where people all over the country are driving really fast. Stop it.

It's too fast. It's because of Fast and Furious. Yeah. I have expectations that that's, you know, the natural course of business when perhaps it isn't. I think I'll say it that way. And similarly,

when there's an avatar who looks like that, it too is going to set expectations. Ooh, he's being prudent. Yeah, he just admitted when the avatar is so sexy. He's like wiping the sweat from his brow.

When the avatar is so prurient or whatever. Oh man, not to get prurient, but when the avatar looks at me with her dead eyes and her mouth that moves independent of the rest of her body. You get the final word. You can set things down to their rear end size.

She's saying you can pick a big ass if you want a big ass. can give you can give your ai girlfriend a bbl dude this is like this truly is reporting for like 60 year olds like you did you know you can customize the character like right what do you think i thought yeah like what because that also exists where you can like um you can find attractive women on the internet who just post pictures of themselves. And you get to pick. You get to pick which ones you look. If you like them in short skirts, you can find somebody who posts in short skirts.

If you like somebody with a small butt, there's probably somebody out there with a small butt. And you can follow them. And that's ruining the expectations of society. You can also pick in real life. It's slower than a slider or whatever they're talking about but it's also like i mean it does sound truly exactly like yeah there's these new dating apps and they might not even be the photo if they could look different than the photo. It could be someone else completely. I'm like, why are you telling me this? That's just a natural, of course, of course it could be someone else. You know, it could be a dragon.

You could just turn up, it could be Bigfoot. Right. Oh, that's your phone. You can have it. Just don't talk to my girlfriend on there. Some social media allowed. So don't tap out yet. Let's see what we have.

Put it up on the screen. Here we go. Human relationships are hard. AI relationships are easy. It's unhealthy for technology to save us from all of life's challenges, says conspiracy crush. But Professor Vitter, the problem is the false equivalence that's being drawn here between AI relationships and real relationships. They are fundamentally different things i don't think it's not that like people are waiting for technology to save them from all of life's challenges it's that they don't have another solution yeah they're going like if you're drowning in the ocean and someone's like you could try this app okay i don't no one else is saving me i don't know what to do yeah you can't just stop using the phone also suffer quietly also um it's unhealthy for

technology to save us from all from all of life's challenges it's like somebody with uh who needs glasses yeah hey it's like hey life is tough seeing is easy i can't see glasses make seeing really easy not that obviously not to drop i don't know how we put this genie back in the bottle, right? I'm not sure there is a way to keep the AI genie back in the bottle. I think we have to address these issues at the root of them, which is where this loneliness starts. Okay, I agree.

And what would that be? The root is the AI girlfriends. We must kill them. And that will be what solves this. Okay, but okay, we're close to getting there. So are we going to talk about the root causes? I'm thrilled we got time. Are we going to be alarmist about AI girlfriends for nine minutes?

A little less than three. Without ever mentioning a potential root cause. We have a little less than 30 seconds. And now we're about to tease it. Let's find out. One more social media. Oh, okay. Oh, I get maybe this, maybe the tweet is solving the issue.

Okay, put it up if you can, Jordan, and I'll read it aloud. What do we have? AI is a quick fix that will eventually backfire, I think, says Kelly. I think the backfire. The tweet that they chose was someone who was one foot out of their argument.

The quick fix. Or if, I mean, maybe not. Says Kelly. I think the backfiring Professor Vitterd has already begun and the level of sophistication when the pair of captions have not once spelled her name consistently. It's worse than us. It's like Professor Vetter. They just said Professor Vineyard, which is awesome. The level of sophistication when the pairing that you referenced

is now a part of this drill. My God, the world's coming to hell in a handbasket. Your final thought is yours. I think we're going to see what we only dreamed of in the movies, and it's not a really good reality. Yeah. Thank you so much. That's a good solution.

There's so much to criticize AI for and be alarmist about, but this was such a clumsy way of if they picked such an interestingly bad angle for why ai is bad this is a pretty gauche to hit them with the like actually they're doing exactly what we're talking about with grifters where you have to say something kind of on like kind of based to then pivot to like but also frozen makes you gay or whatever yeah They're like, yeah, we have to solve the root problem. Anyway, good luck. The top comment, I am truly shocked about this. Sakura promised me in chat that I'd be her only one

and now this report showed me she is open to have four boyfriends. Dude, they're getting kind of cooked men didn't need to adapt they did they made ai girlfriends male loneliness isn't a disease it's a symptom oh wait uh i don't know what they're trying to say actually i don't i don't there's there's yeah yeah literally this argument was all about men so i think it was like that's why we focused on um on men yeah but the the problem the problems affecting men affect women as well and and non-binary folk as well because it affects how the men are treating their environment right like and and the people around them sorry not that not that non-men are environmental objects

what i meant to say is uh the men are uh treating everyone around them in a way that's reflective of how they're how they feel which is you know maybe not good right now and everyone else around them has to deal with it separately suffering from the root societal causes that the men are reacting to. So they get double the hit. Exactly. There's like so, there's so much happening. Yeah. There's so many problems. And a lot of those things do not only affect men, like you're saying. It's just so lazy. It's just such a lazy idea to hit them with the get out of jail free card of like oh by the way we should still have the root problems and then smoke bomb away from the interview genuinely pretty surprised because i and maybe this is a um authority bias that i have if you had told me just the the the clout

the esteem of the people speaking on this I would have assumed they said something way smarter than what they said I thought it was so weird that they had a data expert and a business professor

talking about like sociology and psychology issues and half the questions great point jake yeah holy shit that half their questions were like is this shameful yeah i don't know these are this is you're out of your depth i'm a little bit like this like uh what does this have to do with data science it wasn't about data yeah so i'm like is this just on the side this is like a interest area for you because i thought like the data science thing was going to be like oh the op-ed includes a lot of analysis you know what i mean which is the science that you do with data um and i didn't see any of that. And I saw no sources of it and no references to it.

No, you know, if I had some interesting insight of some data that I'd analyzed, a large data set over a long period of time or something, I would be speaking on that pretty regularly. Here's what we found in the data. Well, we found that here's what you would think. But when we analyze the data based on X, Y, and Z, here's what we found. I would look, I would expect graphs we didn't see a lot of anything i would expect data of some kind in science perhaps i 1000 know why the talking head is a data scientist or at least a dog not just that they wrote the op-ed but also that they would have them on something like this it is because to the average

viewer those words are related to ai and it is yeah it's data scientist i'm not gonna have a sociologist to come on and talk about a computer maybe even data scientist yeah it's like there there's two worlds that i can think of there's like a world where um there's a world where it's malicious and there's a world where it's incompetence. Oh, yeah. And I could believe either. I haven't like made up my mind. They're dual wielding too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ultimately doing stuff like this, it's privatized news.

It's money. I mean, it's generating revenue. So are visits and subscriptions to the op-ed itself. So are the YouTube views. It's for money. It has to be. That's what op-ed itself. So are the YouTube views. It's for money. It has to be. That's what op-eds especially are for. And there is no reason to report on this

outside of it just being provocative and worth reacting to in our case. It's so, I don't think it's evil. Like I can be charitable enough to be like, okay, it's just a little much. But it's, I think, irresponsible as a quote-unquote journalist, though I think maybe that puts that in jeopardy, and a quote-unquote data scientist.

This feels like if you went and did a cooking class, and you're like, I'm a data scientist. I'm like, we're not here. We're just cooking right because it's like it's like i don't it's like i want to give full respect to this person's area of expertise and i'm like not convinced that they're coming from their field in this regard this doesn't feel related to their field and there was nothing that like like we were saying there's nothing other than a few random numbers that give it a data science like uh that make a data science um i think that this is like the uh what is the psych the sociological um thing where it's like the negative news bias,

how news, you know, you think a plane crash is more likely than it is because you, the selection, it's like selection, it's a form of selection bias, which is that like we've pulled, like the news always reports on every plane crash. Sure, of course. And so you now

think plane crashes happen way off more often than they are when they there's millions and millions and millions of planes that are going uh just fine sure yeah this is a very vibes based data wild is this what the news is yeah wow hey man i mean they said hashtag news in the in the video so news damn damn what do i want to watch a little bit of hashtag news well this has been a ride um thank you so much for listening to this chunky episode of sad boys we had we had some feelings we had some other things also um and we will be jumping on over to patreon.com slash sad boys where we uh are gonna pay the 9.99 that uh mr smear connish did not did not have the integrity did not have the integrity to do because we're the real journalists we're not

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