Sad Boyz - Mr Beast AI Thumbnail Controversy

Episode Date: June 28, 2025

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Welcome to sad boys podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. Jordan. What the hell is up? Dude, we fricking nailed that. People probably think we're normal people who breathe air and drink water. I was funnily enough thinking about like, cause it, cause we are, it's only a, you know, a little vignette into you and me once a week, right? There's not too much time we talk about our lives, but it's what we present. Leader really is just us hanging out.

we talk about our lives, but it's what we present. Literally is just us hanging out. I wonder if there is a contingent of fans of sad boys who think that we are normies. We think that we are just day to day, regular, well balanced people. And we're, and we are. It's possible, right? It is possible. We're also older. I like the idea that like Rick and Morty bit from like the first season where it's like a commercial

then he watched the guy after he finished the swimming commercial. Oh, and then he walks home. You're like, we in sad boys and I get on a dragon and fly away. Anyway, I'll see you later, Portal. Yeah, yeah, the frame widens and we all like turn into golems. Because I aspire to normieism. I think it's very admirable, but I Because I aspire to normieism. I think it's very admirable. But I just wonder if, because we just filmed some mailbag content, reading some U of L and checking it out. It was very sweet. Thanks for sending it. We did it on the Patreon. Patreon.com. It is free. You can watch it regardless of whether or not you signed up. In which case, if you are signed up, you get a bonus upload. Forget about it. You're not saying words.

Sorry, I blacked out. What did I do? But while we were doing it, the overwhelming sentiment was just like, hey, thanks for hanging out. Thanks for chatting. It really makes my day feel a little normal. Yeah. This is the most normal part of my day. Most of it is just playing Expedition 33.

Well, that's work. Yeah. You know? You're trying to save me. I'm in the old grime. Yeah, and it's tough. Not all heroes wear capes, especially not Gustav. He's busy hanging out. Today, we're chatting about MrBeast dropped a new thing,

and everyone's talking about it. It does feel nice. It's so sick. It's so nice having that north. Speaking of the north star of like, what's going on? I mean, what is life? I mean, I've got to leave for like the UK like, is it my ever coming back? Is things ever gonna be? Oh, Mr. Beast was weird about some? Yeah, right.

Everything's normal. And not to mention, we found out that we found out that chat GPT is rotting people's brains. It's crazy because like we got we got evidence that chat GPT is bad for you. Before we got we got evidence that chatgbd is bad for you before we got evidence that video games We've had like multiple studies saying video games are like good for you in various ways and The thing that helps you cheat on homework is like the thing that rocks your mind. Yeah We say that is we're pretty we're pretty brain-rotted No, no blame on video games.

No, it's all doom scrolling. But I do- Dude, I wish I rotted my brain from huffing paint and not reading horrible takes on Twitter. Yeah, having fun instead of seeing a screenshot from 4chan. Oh my god. Pepe and then a take on where the planned parenthood should be around.

Sometimes, dude, it sometimes blows my mind how organized 4chan is. Um, I think something happened to 4chan recently. Like I think they got like maybe hacked or something. Let me check my account. I'm a mob. Like I can't remember. Uh, so I don't know what the situation is today cause I haven't been there in a long time, but I did used to go on 4chan when I was a tot, a young child.

Yeah. I mean, I went on, because random sounded so funny. I didn't know what was happening. Like the interface, it looks impossible. It was just like such a weird, when you're a kid on the internet, you just click a few things and you're watching like, a live leak video of, you're watching like Pain Olympics and you're like, how did I, what's going on? I'm saved by the fact that my dial-up can't buffer this video quickly. I'm able to have the reaction. It's like a quick, yeah, it's like a quick time event

where I'm, everything's moving at hyper speed and I can just like get out of there. Bullet time. The thing that happened to 4chan is there was like a cyber attack. Yeah, that was quote-unquote catastrophic and they Essentially admitted that they don't have enough money to yeah actually have any security it's in weird dire straits right now because it's like I don't know who heads it up anymore because Moot used to be the big, the big bastard in charge.

But then he like went corporate. I think he like went to go work at Google or something. I remember Russell, my buddy, my hometown buddy, he went to Carnegie Mellon and he was like, Moot is talking to our class right now from 4chan. I was like, hey? I guess that is the kind of graduation you want to do. You do want to kind of, you know, speaking of quick time

events getting out of there, you want to flee that battle. Yeah. Get out of those. Hey, I mean, I was just watching a video essay about how all the like Nintendo leaks happened. Oh. And how like a lot of that stuff ends up unfolding on a 4chan and when someone posts you have no idea if they're shitting or not and

Well, cuz they cuz they could be posting on their phone wall on the toilet, which is fine. You have no idea if they're shitting Like bullshitting they could be playing Blattro or anything else and then they like like start leaking like never before seen Pokemon and shit. You're like, oh this is real What the hell is happening? An Eevee that can drive a car? Dude, it's it's a wild wild world out there. Yes to the to the the youth in the room. Do you guys feel like you kind of dodged the Wild West era of browsing online where are we still in it is you were kind of up is it happening because I feel like I feel like you take the wrong turn in roblox and you can see something you're not supposed to see

yeah I feel like I feel up in my experience I feel like by the way peeps your new tattoos look sick as hell thank you Joel ticks having a hard time healing a little bit um well that's, he's just a little guy. He's just a little guy. Thanks, I don't know how I feel about the detailed portrait you got of me, it doesn't really, because it's weird seeing your own face from the other end.

But it's okay, but it's with Joltik, so it's fine. I'm eating him. No, that's why he's having a hard time healing. But no, I feel like I managed to dodge most of it because I feel like it was like right before I was really online slash when I was only Playing like webkins or Club Penguin. Yeah, and then it kind of like the Wild West part of it You have esoteric interest Generations yeah, we were in Toontown pop Tropica. Yeah, we were Club Penguin, Toontown, Pop Tropica.

Yeah, I was more of a Gaia Online, RuneScape kind of guy. Neopets? A little bit of Neopets when I was in middle school. You don't want to bring up Neopets because then we'll show the screenshot of one of them that you found the other day. No, that's Webkinz. That was Webkinz. I assume you had that one. To be fair, it was my sister's. That was Hallie's. I'm gonna call her out. That's Hallie. You had that one. To be fair, it was my sister's. It was Hallie's. I'm going to call her out. That's Hallie.

Was it cold? We were going through our old Webkin's account, me and my sister's old Webkin's account. And there are 120 Webkins on there. And how many you need? OK, sorry. I actually don't know anything about Webkin's. This is embarrassing for me to admit.

Is it? What's the deal? So it was like these little plush toys you could buy and they would each have a little like hang tag code But they were digital? So you buy the plush and then you enter the code And you like scan them in basically Got it And so we had 120 of them

Jesus During the recession, that's crazy Yeah, whoa What did you guys eat for dinner? It was like between four girls That makes sense And that's all I ever asked for Prime loans in Florida People were buying Bitcoin

But my sisters we were looking through all the old names and there was a frog on there and you can nickname them I say I mean when you what you adopt them And we found one named Pete diddy we found a frog named Pete diddy on there. A possible series of events took place. I know that was my two oldest sisters I know that was them and I'm like what I said I sent it to I sent it to them I said a screenshot and I said what is this and they said oh? I think I saw a headline about some some drop some charges being dropped in the P. Diddy case apparently It's not going well for the defense, which is the government. Oh, that's according to the bits and pieces that I've read and also the hours of Videos I've consumed about the day-to-day proceedings at the court. But yeah, so I feel like a lot of the wild west

of the internet was during the time where I was only playing that or just games that you would download. Which is good. But then like. I think that the thing about the unfettered internet or having no supervision is that something horrible could happen. Oh, for sure.

And I think it kind of teetered off a little bit by the time I was just exploring the World Wide Web, but then I think it's come back since then in terms of whenever like, Gen Alpha is online and like you said, on Roblox and there's suddenly something horrible, I think that's a lot more common now. I do think-

Isis simulator. There's like a, I don't know like the full full details, but just from what I've seen, I do feel like there's like a dark underbelly to Roblox and it feels very hard to moderate. It feels a little like, you know, the bigger the iceberg gets, the deeper it reaches. It's only so far, it's like, okay, well Well as soon as this is the biggest thing on the planet then

Yeah, cuz robots can have any I mean it's it's a platform so like anything could exist in roblox. You know I man I don't know what I do if I had a kid that was playing This is I assume that you there are like parental tools or something But there's no way to say like every bad server can't be accessed Yeah, I think you'd probably have to have like a, look, I'm not a parent. That's a parent. Unless, come on in.

What? Vegeta, Goku, my son? But I do think that there has to be a way to like whitelist servers rather than blacklist. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like should you have like things that are be allowed. Like. Pretty fast by those.

Things. Well, yeah. And then you can maybe kind of get a vibe from. The thing is, I feel like I would have to be an engaged parent. Like I would be like watching like the YouTube video essays on like what my kid is like consuming. So that I could know what the themes, the lore, the depth.

Because I was gonna say, most of what kids are watching or playing these days, because most, not games that are made for kids, but are made to look childlike and then are actually, so to start, FNAF or Poppy Playtime, Baldi's Basics, anything like that, I feel like that's what most kids are, what's the word in the game? Influenced or...

Exposed to. Exposed to. And that, like, I feel that bite, that little sinisterness is something they've never had in their palette before and why it can't be appealing. Or like, even when they're on Roblox, people can make maps for anything. So like, even if they're just playing Roblox,

there's Poppy Playtime is there, you know? Huggy Wuggy's there. Sorry, what? Who? Huggy there um what who huggy wuggy do you know poppy playtime oh okay yeah yeah i'm also not a parent but i do until today that i know of it's come on in bulma trunks I would name my kids something like sailor moon to Maybe like sailor mercury again as best-oss That's like a Twitter name for somebody I used to joke that if I had a kid I'd name them James Newell Osterberg jr. And they call them Iggy for short because that's Iggy Pop's real name. You're so weird.

Okay. I think we figured it out. We've tried and figured out what your whole deal is so many times with so many words, you're weird. That's the dig, check the DSM. Photo of you. Oh yeah, weird. Photo of you.

Photo of you. How cute. Oh, let's go to swag, photo of me. No. Okay. It's a fart ass, it's a photo of you. Oh, god. They're getting worse. I actually dislike the nickname.

No, but I'm not a parent, but I do think something that probably doesn't happen enough is just like having conversations with your kids at a very young age about what they're doing online and then talking kind of more openly about what's bad out there. Yeah. And saying like, hey, you know the thing that we,

including you are all addicted to and on all the time? You have to not do it sometimes. You have to like limit it. Moderation, yeah. And they're like, wait, but what? It's the thing we're all doing all the time, you have to not do it sometimes. You have to limit it. Like moderation, yeah. Wait, but what? It's the thing we're all doing all the time. Like, yeah, but it could get you. And even being like parents, you know,

one of my friend babies, her mom. That's not gonna, if it's someone's first episode, they're gonna be like, what the hell are you talking about? They already know you're weird. One of my friends has a baby. Okay, has a baby. I'll say it that way. You can just always say it that way. My friend Molly was just telling me like how she wants to be off her phone more. Like put her phone away more throughout the day because she's like, I don't wanna model that behavior for my kid.

And her kid's only one and a half, but it starts at an early age. Most of my kid's time we spend doing martial arts. Right, setting the blade. They wouldn't have access to the internet because they would be at the Shaolin temple. Well, I've made a sequel to karate, it's called Jodh Rati.

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Taking a swing. Solving all the problems. There's a, speaking of the Shaolin Temple, there, Victor Womanyama, I, you know, approaching my favorite NBA player at this point, he posted on his Instagram, he has actually been at the Shaolin Temple in the off season, training his mind and body.

There's a, he posted on his Instagram. Jacob, can you pull up that photo that I have? I also love how popular he is. He's so internet. He doesn't post, but then when he posts, it gets a bajillion, guy's so cool. And there's a photo of him kicking upward, and you can just see how flexible he is from the kick. And I'm like, my hamstring doesn't do that.

Oh, is he doing that insane butterfly kick where really goes. Yeah, it's on his it's on his Instagram. It's in the the carousel This is I mean what I'm doing that a lot Sort of what you know after the show's over I go I do my cartos I think you would die my arm would fly off and then my head would collapse The air pressure from that much he's built like a He's built like a fighting character in a video game, including his pants. I feel like you could drop him straight into street fighting. It's a really strong silhouette, so you

can see the moves animated. Yeah, look at this. Look, the guy next to him, you can tell that guy's got bend because his hamstring's not. That guy has a knee. Yeah, that guy has a knee. Wimby says, no. I am become water, dude. Wimby just took a guy's head. Yeah, that guy's a neat when he says no I am become water, dude

God, that's what we just took a guy's head off with his foot Yeah, so fast so while and that guy was also seven feet tall that goes also by the way right next to him It looks like he's further away with the right next to each other. Oh man to be that He's so cool never change now to be fair. We've never posted photos of us doing that. Maybe that would pop off also. Well yeah. That photo was so hard dude! What the hell? Okay, we could do that! What the hell?

We could sit down all the time. You can be backlit. We could go sit on a balcony and just... We could probably backlight you right now. Man, that's so sick. Don't threaten me, I know martial arts. Dude, he might be the Avatar. See?

What? Jacob did that on purpose. I guess if I say that's exactly as cool. Please write in the comments if it's as cool as. Yeah, it's the same picture. JPEG. Let's just say, I think all the comments. Hey, look at that, liked by Jarvis, damn straight.

Not liked by me because I'm not like, this black mirror stuff, you know. Yeah. I'm not online. What else is in this, what else is in this? Yeah. Look at that guy in the back. That guy's right next to him.

That's so sick. Look at his arm muscles too. Damn. He's kind of got that Popeye phone, which is a fighting game build. Gorgeous. We go to the Valley. That wall busted out right after that photo was taken.

That's him taking a single step. That's a, wait, can you, okay, back up. Can you back up one? So imagine the guy under him's a goomba? You see how big he is after he gets a mushroom yeah, oh my god Okay Okay, well hey Hey mouths all over the place. Oh

That's so sick. Did he so cool, and he reads fantasy novels. He does he's a big Brandon Sanderson head He's based basketball And he's French. He's got French. Okay. Well, you can't have it all he might be the coolest French guy ever do exist Look I'm probably wrong. But in my mind, in my headcanon? I would... I like lots of French people, more than Jordan, certainly, and I would agree with you. It might be the guy from Matrix Reloaded that makes cake the most... I was gonna say it might be Versho. That's true.

Or Gustave, dude. Oh, damn. I think it's Orgasm Cake Guy from The Matrix Reloaded. This episode of Sad Boys is sponsored by ZocDoc. Jordan, let's roleplay. I'm a guy from the matrix. We loaded this episode of sad boys is sponsored by Zoc doc Jordan Let's roleplay. I'm a I'm a doctor and you're trying to book with me interior doctor's office. Mm-hmm Hello, thanks for having me in sorry. I'm not available Sorry, I mean I was just calling because I would like my earliest appointment is in a three thousand years But I feel quite sick and you are really you're not in my network

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imagine I just described that he's a YouTuber. No, he has a- Follum's swipe. He has a company slash website called view stats That's like a bunch of tools for creators which from a mission standpoint I It's something that I like would do myself like making tools to make you know, the creation job more egalitarian Why not? And he's got pedigree, you know Goals but it doesn't look wrong with that, you know,. They just dropped AI thumbnails, and that's already that's already a

Hmm, whatever do you mean scratching chin? So he says few steps just dropped AI thumbnails, and it takes the guesswork out of what thumbnails will preform Which is something that you do when you're creating a sword? Perform which is something that you do when you're creating a sword. With forging everything you'll need. Per form. Just prompt what you're looking for, and it will generate a data-backed viral thumbnail. Now, let's pause. Let's pause and say, no, it won't. Because just because it went viral for one person doesn't mean it's going to go viral for the other person.

MrBeast knows this and he's like selling a product because at the end of the day, it's a paid service. Before we watch this, can we hop over to viewstats.com? Yeah, okay, so here there's a couple different plans. You can pay 50 bucks a month for the Vue Stats Pro plan, 80 bucks a month for the monthly pro AI, and now that includes the AI thumbnail thing, and you get some AI credits, and you can generate thumbnails. Now, I don't know if he's changed the pitch, so hopefully we have the original thing, and then there's business. These prices, by the way, it's like this is the normal price for like some sort of like business software, I feel.

Yes, an executive suite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the issue is that it's charging money for these AI thumbnails and the AI thumbnails, I wonder what they were trained on. Just probably MrBeast. No, probably working out. No, Jordan, they were trained on all the viral videos on YouTube logic though He's only using pro tools to do it the you've named two

What's the term for those audio laws Dawes? Digital no no no hold on hold on I got this I got this Digital audio workbench is that right workspace work fucking space What's my family all right? I'm sure somebody will correct both workspace makes sense While we're at it look mr. Beast you got to stop the the the like Ghetto mr. Beast or whatever the hell it is. Oh, yeah, what is it called? Fuck boy. I don't know what boy mr. Beast where he's holding the stack. It feels that feels wrong He feels like it feels like digital blackface even though it's not changing the color of the skin.

He's doing the Mark Zuckerberg rollout. He's doing the like, would this be cool? But it only exists in memes. It's not a real persona because he, obviously it would be very weird if he presented like that out of nowhere. It mean he it has a this is very much a $5,000 t shirt aesthetic that he's rocking right now. Jim. Well, that's weird. Jim Beast. There's a new way to make professional looking.

Jim, sometimes you got to take it. Wait, no, that was a really good thumbnail. Him with Indiana Jones with his face over him by the pyramids. Well, the thing is, MrBeast has a history of people stealing his thumbnails and putting their faces on it.

So we thought, why not turn that into a product? That's a great idea. How do I steal my own and the best part is this new method works in every niche whether you do gaming cooking beauty this works the holy trinity gaming cooking beauty you know the ones mr who's the boss yeah that guy's a big tech youtuber yo huge tech YouTuber. What a sick name. His videos, by the way, Mr. Who's the Boss, have the most VFX of like your average video. Like you watch them and it's like, it's crazy the VFX there in those videos.

Creating custom results from any channel to literally being able to put your face on a thumbnail. It literally feels like cheating. So when you hear that, right, you gotta think, hmm, is it cheating? No, no, feels. Also, the face replaced on an already existing thumbnail is just, like that's just theft,

but in a way that it's not like. It's pretty existing theft also. I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who doesn't see a problem with this, and it's difficult, but it is a somewhat unique form of thievery because you probably are thinking, I want a thumbnail that looks like that, and maybe you're not thinking about the hours

that a artist spent, like, because the artists that work on Mr. Beast's thumbnails, like put in hours and hours and hours and hours of work. And lifting that with a simple like face swap, it does two things. One, it's just like outright theft. But two, it is creating something that looks like a market replacement.

Yeah. Like that's where fair use breaks down, right? When you are like rep, like almost replacing, you're saying, watch my thing instead. And you, and this typically is the way that that gets institutionalized is that they make an enterprise version of something unethical to launder it. It's like, well, it's's yeah, it's money laundering But that's a bad. It's a big bank. That's normal. It's a business And then on top of that it's weird because there are like large

It's it's I don't know how to use I almost want to use the term big box youtubers big box Yeah, you know what I mean like big box retailers, but like so you will see like a Brent Rivera Get in trouble for lifting a thumbnail concept wholesale from a mr. Beast or Ryan Trahan and that Feels bad because it's so direct and the concept is non-straightforward. Whereas like if you and I both happen to make commentary videos talking about the same thing, the thumbnails will look similar because it's like my head...

A style guide. Yeah, it's like a news video is gonna have the Philip DeFranco's face and then like a picture of the person who's talking Yeah, if they're talking about Hassan and mr. Beast then they put his honor mr. Bees on thumbnail cuz those get clicks and if someone else is talking about those Two things then they're not ripping off Philip DeFranco by putting those two things on the side, but when it's so specific Like so specific that it's literally just a face swap, then it does feel like it just feels like it accelerates theft of concepts and creative like IP. And I mean, the time to have this conversation, like the, hmm,

what could that, what are the bigger implications of that? What could it do is not after the product is launched. It is the, but again, I mean, even instinctually, there's going to be people that comment on this video saying, well, who cares? It's just, it's just, they're just getting views. It doesn't matter. It's the content that matters. And it's like, right. But where does the air quotes content begin?

Is it how you showcase it? And then what about the first 10 seconds of the video? Okay, what about the first two minutes? What about the title? At what point does this just like, it's okay to just like homogenize to the point of being distracting. And also like, I don't know,

do you feel great about the idea of a larger scale YouTuber taking the presentation of a thumbnail of a small to smaller medium YouTuber? That'll of a thumbnail of a small, small to smaller medium YouTuber, that'll catabolize it a little bit. I'm going to look at it and go like, didn't I fucking watch that? What did it happen the other way around? Like when you had like, uh, craft YouTubers back in like the early, the mid teens, uh, and five minute crafts comes along and almost like terraforms that like Ecosystem and category of videos where it could take people's like viral videos

you know it's like story booth had these videos and a few of those videos went mega viral and then a big company can come along and kind of take the packaging and Run with it and then doing that on mass kind of take the packaging and run with it, and then doing that en masse kind of like dilutes an entire category. And like it's mining with dynamite. Like you just destroy the entire mine and you're like,

okay, well, look through the dirt, there's a little bit of gold, there's a little bit of gold. Anyway, leave the pile. I mean, and it happened with MrBeast too. Like there's tons of, like so many. They would localize it a lot, right? So many MrBeast videos are like only possible because of the scale that MrBeast operates at.

But like if you see, but you see a change in YouTube thumbnails post MrBeast because it almost feels like MrBeast style become big became a thing. Which is the, you know, that's regular influence, that's building the aesthetic by virtue of influence and size, that's perfectly normal. And we already have like, but it is like a,

I think it just kind of creates more noise in like finding what you wanna watch online. Because if everything looks like a MrBeast thumbnail or if everything looks even more exactly like a thumbnail of someone else. And again, like, I'm talking about thumbnails that are like a creative interpretation type thumbnails, and not thumbnails that are like person space

with thing they're talking about, because I've personally been accused of stealing videos, ideas or thumbnails from people when it's simply like, it's simply just person with topic that they're talking about. It's the house style. It is the, you know. Yeah, and that's like, we were talking about the,

Brendan Abernathy, Austin made a thumbnail that didn't have the like big quote from it on there because he was trying to avoid copying like what Curtis did. And I'm like, well, Curtis is just using the famous quote. And I'm like, if we want people to know what we're talking about, we probably want to use the famous quote. And so I texted Curtis and he's like,

yeah, obviously you do this. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. But it's like, sometimes you just, you don't I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know but it's like sometimes you just you don't want to Ruffle feathers and but everybody kind of gets it, you know, it's like or I don't own this concept and that's obviously you can do it And that's a curtain. I'll see amongst friends, but this is even the 249 99 version I doubt has a automatic DM to first. Yeah, I don't know if I'm like making coherent points here. No, I mean, we, I think we're having the same, um, I think, I think we are, but I think in the back of our brains, we're always aware of the same thing.

We don't know if we talk about AI stuff or like creative ownership stuff where like the argument we always have to parry is well, if you don't care about that and you don't care about diluting a market or like bastardizing the work of other people in whatever way you think you are if that's not what you care about if you don't think that like Studio Ghibli needs to exist anymore we should just do it with a computer like and well then like okay I have no argument with you then because we're speaking different languages the tool that I that I feel like could help creators

that is not ripping people off would involve going back to the bare essentials of what makes a thumbnail a good thumbnail, right? How many subjects are in the frame? What does the eye line scan look like of this? From, in English, we read top to bottom left to right. Does the presentation of information like follow the logical like eye scan?

Did we change it local, like the local region could have a different version of it or test it. When this is small on the sidebar or this small on mobile, like is it still discernible? Like what's in the what's in the thing high contrast yellow text versus more kind of standard yeah color for you do get some sorts you get best practices out of that like you try to avoid having a ton of faces with eyeballs because it's really hard to

like it we very naturally gravitate to make eye contact with the thumbnail. So having one person with two regular old eyeballs like to look at when you are clicking on a thumbnail like allows you to communicate more information in the split second that someone's making the decision. But when it's like big tiger attacking face and it looks exactly the same like it's pixel perfect except for the face like what are we doing I know it's it does feel I

love his his iconic line it almost feels like cheating like me as I pound performance enhancing steroids before a big race yeah me as I'm like cheating me as I'm like Signing up for that the like cheating websites this College where it's like win for free. Yeah. Yeah, we'll do your homework for you It almost feels like cheating well No, I think it might be I think the school does think that it's like it's so funny because if chat GPT Was behind was called if chat GPT was behind was called like cheat GPT then I feel like people would realize that they were cheating

but because they prompted it with hey I copy and pasted my homework prompt can you help me dude oh my god it's a person it's like it's their responsibility I would and don't don't get me wrong like if I was in high school I would also be utilizing this dude. I got so many like I did so much bullshitting and And my bullshitting would have been so much better if I had chat GPT had read the book Oh, dude, if I if I had asked chat GPT to Summon all of the best most popular quotes from the books I was supposed to read as opposed to me using the Google sample pages, and then copy-pasting them into a document, and then writing an essay that conformed around those quotes,

which I definitely didn't do, Anastasia, and I resent the implication. Definitely don't do that, winking with both eyes back and forth. Why the fuck would I even spend that amount of time? Yeah. And also, you know, if you're in like high school or middle school, especially like you want to see friends and do stuff. Homework is poison. But like, Yeah. It's, it's one of those things where it's like,

I think that chatty BD could be a wonderful learning tool where you can use it to help you understand or interrogate things and learn better. And like, I think that ChatUBT could be a wonderful learning tool where you can use it to help you understand or interrogate things and learn better. And like if you're doing coding assignments and you're like, OK, I'm getting this error. Where might my error be? It could help. You know, like when I was having an issue with my homework at midnight and it was due the next morning and office hours were six hours ago. You know, it's like, then I have somewhere to go. That's not just like cheating or like asking a friend at the, uh, in the middle of the night or something like that. And like, like if you don't, there was the same panic at one point, like, uh, the institution is

always going to be slower than the technology. And it's like, well, okay, well, we don't really want you this. Mm-hmm. It's like, okay, but that is unsustainable Well, that was also such a thing that yeah in school. It was like well don't use Wikipedia and And then so it was like, okay So I will go to Wikipedia and I will look at the sources the Wikipedia site And then I will go to those places because they uh, that's kind of the best homework Anyone's ever done is a Wikipedia page it's the ultimate homework and They did it for fun, which is always odd. Yeah, that's to the psychos

but anyway, I feel like now that's like the closest analog because chat GBT has like AI psychosis and will like do weird stuff and say Wrong things and enable your bad ideas like if you if you were to say I think this book is about this. And then it's so true. That's so true. And you're a genius actually. And here's what was it?

We're hanging out with Eddie the other night talking about it. I'm saying it's the chat. GPT is the passenger and you're the weird Uber driver. Yeah, like, you know, I've been thinking like, maybe the new world order is like, I should crash the car. No, for sure. Like, oh, I, you're, yeah. Damn, that's crazy.

There was actually that recent New York Times story about a guy who had a mental breakdown because he was already having like an anxiety attack and he was on chat GPT asking questions and it was yes ending him. And it said, yes, you do live in a simulation. Yes, you should stop taking your anxiety medication. Yes, you should stop taking, you should stop sleeping. It like encouraged him to stop sleeping.

And he had a mental breakdown. And it's like, yeah, of course. And the title of the New York Times article is, they asked an AI chat bot questions. The answer sent them spiraling. So if you wanna like read it yourself. It's a fucking Jubilee title. It's like having an enabler friend.

Yes. Like dude, so true. So true. And we should rob the bank. Bro, why are we sober? Let's both get drunk. I feel like if I asked you right now, I was thinking I should rob a bank

because that's a great way to make money. What do you think? Then what's the closest Wells Fargo? Yeah. We were joking the other day about the idea of going into a bank to rob it, but just asking them to raise the figure in your checking account, pointing a gun at them,

mask on, and then be like, can you raise this, handing my passport, this guy's checking account to a million dollars, please? I'm a big fan of Michael Mann's heat. Oh, we would have been even better with that. And I love, there's a line in there where they say, don't be a hero, they're robbing a bank, they're pointing guns at people

and they say, don't be a hero. Don't be a heat right now. We're not robbing your money, we're robbing the bank's money, your money is federally insured. And. Don't rob the bank. I always think, how,

that puts so many thoughts into so many people's heads. Hello, Highwater exists because of that moment for sure. So funny. All right, let's continue this video. Give me Jimmy. Now let's say you don't want to take inspiration from a YouTube channel. You don't have to. As you can see here, I have a very descriptive prompt with no YouTube inspiration.

When he says no YouTube inspiration, that is impossible because this had to have been trained on YouTube Nothing would appear so it's nothing but YouTube inspiration I think that might be where a little of this comes from is the like mystical Interpretation of AI where it is just like and it just like fucking happened because from I think I remember like it came out that open AI. I'm not sure if it was open AI, but it was like one of these companies had like scraped like tons of huge YouTube creators, videos and stuff. And, um, like I remember MKBHD was like one of the creators and he was like, well,

I didn't okay this yeah You know like this is my intellectual property. It's not we're Probably going to very soon see what the legal boundaries are with Using intellectual property to train a model because Disney is suing What was that one Which one is it it's it's it's on the tip of my tongue wait don't tell me so it's sort of like you're going on an expedition you're going on a trip you're going on an expedition you're going on a voyage

you're going on it but it's it's it's you're halfway oh you're halfway. Well, you're halfway through your halfway there. It's also a journey Okay, expedition 33 Mid-journey. Yeah, they're they're suing mid-journey for training on their IP and it's like we talked about this before where it's like It's weird to be defending Disney but I think this will establish some legal precedent because currently it's the Wild West. Like the ways that we have been able to tell that small artists have been used to train AI

is when their like watermarks and stuff will show up in the generated image. And it's like that's like one of the only like gotchas that we have. There was just that huge, well I say, I mean I guess it is huge. The implications of it are huge. Bungie, creator of Halo and Destiny and the like.

They very recently got in a whole heap of trouble because the upcoming, well, it's going to be upcoming, reboot of the Marathon series that they turned into kind of a escape from Tarkov style, looter shooter, shebang. They put out a bunch of trailer info, a bunch of visuals. It's a very distinct visual design. And it's like a, it has a name, the genre, the aesthetic genre has a name, but there happens to be one artist that does that design very, very proactively.

And their designs, including their logos and little design, what am I saying? Portfolio is like ripped wholesale. It was found in the textures of the game during these pre-alpha server tests, or previews. And rightfully, everyone, including Bungie, who acknowledged that it had happened and that it was, and I think this is understandable,

a couple of people on the team that were taking those resources and using them, I think it's perfectly possible, and I don't think Bungee as an organization is dumb enough to not, like, to go like, yeah, let's just steal it. They would just go, hey, I don't care, just get me the thing by end of day.

Yeah, at a certain point up the chain, you're not asking where everything comes from because you're working under the assumption that things were done in a above board way. You're doing it, yeah, again, they're not designers, they just go like, do the fairy dust you do, do the magical thing where you do something on a computer

and then you bring me the picture. And that pretty intuitively was shitty the game was indefinitely paused and I don't think anybody has any disagreement about it it was like a universal don't do that and yet because this is that this is different for people somehow well this is like you're saying oh okay here's this artist's portfolio. Now give me something in that style where I don't have to compensate them in any way. And then people are just like, yeah, but it's different if they did it different.

Because even if I trace Goku, I don't own that IP. It's my pen. Yeah, what do you mean? It was my pen. No, this is Kogu. And it's a thing about regulating art that is very, well, it's very thing about regulating art that is very, well, it's very tough to legislate.

I mean, even fair use is like a set of guidelines, but then each individual ruling is on a case by case basis. But it doesn't pass the sniff test. It's so obviously wrong. We do always end up kind of triple prefacing it, but this is not, machine learning is not the villain. That's that's not the point. It is. I do think it comes from a place of like not respecting art or the artistic process.

Yeah, why would you care? Because I saw so many tweets about people who are like, well, like, art is dying anyway, like artists are all going to go out of work. So like, Miz will just like, expect the process. Also everyone being like, well, it gives everyone access to do art I'm like everyone has always had access to do just do it That like universally anyone could do It is the saddest shit ever when somebody posts the most ghoulish busted looking drawing of an off-brand Superman ever And like here's the prompt I used. And then one person replies like,

it's like a cartoon. Like you could learn to draw it. And they're like, I, I do not have a guy. Maybe you don't know. Maybe I don't have any hands and you, you, uh, it's just cope. It's fine. The reason I can't draw. The reason I put it in like a respecting art thing is because, uh, similar to what Jacob's talking about about I have for the past probably year plus have seen this type of Post from like an AI accelerationist. That's like Hollywood is over check out this trailer made entirely with AI And it's the most fever dream shit you've ever seen like it's me, Captain O'Monica. We're doing the Covenders.

This thumber. And they also like unrelated to the morality of it. This thumber. It's not good. Because like when he was showing the two volcano ones, he zoomed in on the one that looked more like him, but the other one was terrifying. You guys see that?

It was scary as well. I'm confused. What? If I choose Mr. Beast, because he's saying, imagine that you are MrBeast. So I type in my own channel. And then you're looking for inspiration for your own channel. It's a little bit mixing use cases, I think, because it's like, in one case, you're MrBeast and you're, you're want to get inspiration for your next MrBeast video. And then the other is you're not MrBeast

and you want to rip MrBeast's thumbnail. Why even allow me to search for different channels? Why is it why don't I just connect mine? But like friend of the show, Point Crow tweeted like an old MrBeast tweet where he was complaining about someone ripping his exact thumbnail. And it's like, why would you extract this into a tool? Yeah like we've done this Jarvis, you and I, in the past where we tried to create our own version of a like popular channel content farm or whatever just to show the behind the scenes of how that stuff was made. Someone could just like make Mr. Beast videos, right? And not do the behind the scenes. Just do the straight up make it.

And people do. And that's the thing. And that is a form of what is it? What would I call it? It's like, it's, it's such a cheap, it's a cheap. Way to profit, which is like a lot of people are in the market for that. And there is a difference between people who are willing to mislead and lift someone's creative identity or property or whatever to make a quick buck and

someone who like respects that boundary. And those two forces are at odds often on YouTube, but especially like within this pitch. And Mr. Beast and his general cohort, you know, they're the Walmart's, they're the targets. The shoplifting means a lot less, sure, as far as just literal margins go. But come on, you know, we're not talking about them, right? Like the problem isn't that we're talking about them when we say like, Hey, it's weird that when people make a generated artwork of, I don't know,

Pixar style characters, almost the Ghibli ones were just especially sinister. They're like, Oh, I made the profile picture of a studio Ghibli art. And I'm like, okay, yeah, this person is just having a bit of fun online. And then someone always has to arms race it all the way up and be like, and this is why this is why we should get rid of Japan. And there's like, okay, I'm not sure I follow that. The channels at the medium level that are losing. That artist who was ripped from the marathon assets,

they're not a large artist that's able to defend themselves. They could have just been compensated. But they just didn't. Sure, right. And that's the thing where it becomes so easy to, you know how like content ID on YouTube prevents you from like just outright taking someone's stuff too much?

And obviously they can like put a manual claim on it or whatever, but like even though we think, you know like ever since Napster, we've had this like price memory in our mind that like music should be cheap if not free. That has had an impact on artists mostly of the mid-size to small because I know tons of musicians

who have hundreds of thousands of Spotify listeners who like can't pay their rent. And a day job. With the money that they make from that. And yes, that is partly the world evolving, but we expect that type of creativity to come with no cost. Yeah, that labor is less valuable pound for pound. Yeah, and that's like a back,

I feel like it kind of is a back door into thinking that no creative labor is valuable and naturally one step down Because you have the audacity to think you're better because why is making it free Liberating and evening the playing fields for everyone Because it's someone's labor that you're making free Yeah, you know what I mean? Also, I think people forget that someone is making money off of it. Businesses are making money,

but the artist who creates the thing isn't, which I think is what this kind of boils down to, right? It just feels like that type of thing, you know? That type of Nap, but for thumbnails. And then, cause wouldn't it be great if I could have anyone's work that I wanted. And then whoever comes along and is just like, well, yeah, but like, it's the most efficient way to make the iPhone. I'm like, you little rat, you little rat, all he wants the cheese.

You just don't care. It's just like not something you value. Like, Oh, it's yeah. But if we paid them more and we wouldn't get the thing, it's yeah, of course like people in the medical industry are underpaid or like what, of course teachers don't get paid properly. Cause I don't know. It's like, you are, you are not the top of the ladder. Why are you defending these guys that would burn you at the stake?

For $10, $15. Every dollar. They're like a temporarily embarrassed billionaire. Yeah. It's like I'm down today, but I'm a billionaire tomorrow. So I've got to protect. You've got to worry about it. I've got to protect that.

I've got to protect my future bag. I'm signing up for the 249.99 version of Theft Inc. or whatever this is called. Yeah, well that's why I am in so much credit card debt. Why not support the people who are millionaires and billionaires now? My future peers. That guy who was like the make college great again or whatever because his plan of going to college

was to connect with a co-founder to do something. A co-founder and a future wife. That's right. And he wanted to have the best years of his life. He wanted to acquire people. So what do you mean I'm not allowed to go to the Ivy League that I deserve? This isn't fair.

One time I brought up the concept of a salary cap or an income cap to a friend, which these are revolutionary concepts because in America, we don't allow ourselves to think about that. It's no rules, just right. Yeah, so I was just talking about it, I was like, yeah, what if we had an income cap and like after, you know, $200 million,

you had to give the rest to charity or whatever. And he was like, Whoa, I don't want to stop anyone from getting their bag. Oh, yeah. That's the thing is that person. $200 million is a bag. What are you talking about? That is generational wealth. It's only the bag if you believe that the $40,000 teacher's salary is working in 0.0000,

infinite zero, 0.1% less than the person making $200 billion. If it's merit. But then the answer I think, and I'm as guilty as anyone because it kind of does burrow into your brain is like, well, if you want to be a teacher, you know, you want to make that much money. I'm like, well, but it just creates a brain drain where it's like one of the most like pivotal roles in our society is not desirable because it doesn't provide a living wage.

It's very uncreative. It's a very uncreative way of approaching the world. Like, well, we have to play by these rules. And no, that's what like a amendment is. You know that, right? That's like changing something because other stuff changed. It's sad that- If everyone could fly, they'd change the rules of football. It's really sad that someone who's like passionate

about teaching and good at their job will likely get burnt out at some point because it is such an underappreciated profession. They had the audacity to lead children down a positive path. I mean, not even children. I mean, even talking about like college because right now it is so hard to get a 10-year track job that you just end up working part-time for like three different universities. Yeah.

And yeah, it's like at any level, teaching is underappreciated. The other thing about that is that people immediately defensively go, well, why don't you give all your money away, Hassan? And it's like, okay, because you're- Because I'm like, $200 million. Yeah, there's also like, it's a systemic issue, right? Like, it's like okay because I'm x 200 million yeah yeah there's also

like it's a systemic issue right like it's like you can't the issue is that one person can't move the scales unless they're the richest person in the world then they can move the scales a little bit but even that person cannot move the scales as much as you know getting a plurality of people to agree on a system. And if the claim is like, hey, Hassan, you should give away all of your money. Like, OK, how much money should he give away? And then they say, I figure I'm going to like, sounds a little bit like a salary cap. You're saying you should give away down to that amount.

Right. So should everyone go down to that amount? It's almost like the intersectionality of like a lot of these different kind of forces which is why this conversation went this way and also ADHD but let's hit play all from one single prompt and no inspiration from any other channel you can type literally anything you want and it will generate that's the part that's not true it's badness when he says no inspiration, he is saying, I didn't tell it to look at Dream's thumbnails

and then make this, but Dream's thumbnails are in the DNA of the program that generated that. Essentially he's saying, I didn't say, it's not inspired by one thumbnail, it's inspired by all thumbnails that have ever been on the internet. Yeah. It couldn't be more inspired.

Yeah. It's more inspired than any players could be. Because all these LLMs are doing is like very fancy pattern matching. And if it does not know what Minecraft is then it just thinks generate a isometric Minecraft thumbnail and so it doesn't know what a YouTube thumbnail is and so it was even think

it's like Minecraft that gives me an idea it makes the whole game you know it goes it goes well let me you know match all these okay this looks like this and I know that because of these things it's like not it's so hard to explain But yeah, it's basically pattern matching so you could get it to like generate a You could probably get it to generate something that looks like a thumbnail that already exists on YouTube And I haven't played around with this, but I wouldn't be surprised. But we are signing off the tune, $259.99, it just went up, it was $249.99.

All right, but anyway, continue. To demonstrate, I have this F1 thumbnail with an F1 car, and so in the prompt, I'm just gonna simply type in, change F1 car to minivan. And boom, it's done. Also, the like, most of the thumbnail was the car. Replace this image.

Also, like that example is a very fun one to include, the like most of the thumbnail was the car. Replace this image. Also like that example is a very fun one to include because it's the easiest one to do with Photoshop. Yeah. It's the easiest one to do. It's a white background. Just select the part that's not the F1 car. The easiest part would be adding the business of F1.

Just find a photo of a van. That is funny though, cause in chat, GPT if you try to do some, like out of the box, it like doesn't do that very well. Text is known good, right? Yeah, well, but the other tools, like the ones that are like, and I actually don't know about chat GPT 4.0 cause I don't like really use it a ton.

So I haven't ever tried this, but back. So I can't really speak for modern day chat GPT. If you really like the thumbnail you're generating, but not the face on it. Don't worry. We have this face. It's not your face Do like and it will instantly swap it on face you do like So what I don't like is markiplier space and what I do like is my face It feels like when those like cheating websites are like, it helps you study better by telling you the answers to the test.

Helps you study really well. Yeah. This is the future of YouTube thumbnails. No more complicated Photoshop and having to get a PhD in how to edit things and figure out what a thousand buttons do. I gotta say, I think I wasted my time getting my masters. Yeah. My doctorate in doing podcasting,

I feel like it's not fair at all. Yeah, my doctorate in doing podcasting. I feel like Yeah, dude, honestly my postdoctoral thesis in flying an airplane is not useful at all What by the seeds of rehearsal season 2 yeah, all right, so so now I will say point crow I'm not gonna hold them to these initial tweets I'm not gonna hold him to these initial tweets because there's a developing story and we were gonna have him on the show but he's not feeling well because he's been using too much of the Tashubiti.

No, but he did have some bangers here. So can we go to his original tweet though? So he said, so MrBeast gets a complaint about channels stealing his thumbnails then turn around and make a tool that does exactly the same thing but faster and cheaper. He promotes his new AI tool in a video on the site

saying it can copy any channel style of thumbnail for YouTube videos and even edit it so your face is in it instead of the original creator's. He initially states it can be used for inspiration but then continues on and notes that this will literally be the way you generate your thumbnails going forward. I spend days, weeks, sometimes, I I mean, point cross thumbnails are really good. I spend days, weeks, sometimes months thinking of thumbnails, working with artists to craft

the perfect one, and you've made something that can steal my and my artists' hard work without a thought. Your model is clearly trained on all of our thumbnails and uses them without any creator's permission and makes it not only easy, but it attempts to make this socially acceptable too. Way to take the creator out of content creator in the fun that comes from making up new ideas Majorly fuck this if there's any class-section lawsuit count me in I'm so done with this guy. So then So then he yeah, this is the largest channel in Russia takes my thumbnails and photoshop's his face on mine

Which is this is from 2021. So obviously his opinions could have changed about this since then but I think that it's pretty What like you can sympathize with this right like it feels like a clear rip but we see this thing kind of happening quite a lot and Then beast in point crow talked That's the two planeswalkers Yes, I That's the two planeswalkers? Yeah, Beast and the Point Crow. I said, had a chat with MrBeast about the AI thumbnail creation tool. While I'm uncertain what will be happening moving forward, I voiced my thoughts directly

with him. Great idea to want to make content creation more acceptable. That's like what I was saying earlier, but this isn't remotely the solution to that and fundamentally hurts creators as a whole. Just mentioning because I think it's important to note that he reached out even though we still largely disagree leaving everything Leaving everything up to discourage this still. Yeah, and I'll count this hopefully as my book into the saga Just cuz I'm sure it's very annoying to like go to bat against mr

beast where you're gonna get a bunch of like and this is like get a bunch of like, and this is like any large creator, like if you disagree with them, you're gonna get a bunch of random harassment that you didn't ask for. There's noise. Even this person who doesn't support Mr. Beast clearly, but is still being very mean.

It's coming in with an energy. Oh my God, it's like, he doesn't give a fuck. And by the way, look at the ad. We can doesn't give a fuck and by the way look at the ad We can't even put that on the screen like look at the ad. No, no, no, but god you people are fucking stupid It's like okay. There's no brother like it's like yeah, take a step back. You know take a chill pill take a deep breath Okay, there's like he doesn't care about your feelings or his fans or anything. That's not the point to shame him is like,

the point is Mr. Beast is a billion dollar enterprise and he does have a lot of power. Yeah. Right, so it's like, like you want to try to shift like where that energy is if you can. I am admittedly biased because I have, you know,

met and talked to MrBeast before. And I do think that while he is very misguided about a lot of stuff, and he will continue to make mistakes that I vehemently disagree with, I do think that he does care about other creators. Whether that includes, like when he talks about the YouTube community, I'm not sure how inclusive

that term is of all creators. And that's just to say that like, I think he operates in a bubble. He has a class solidarity with that type of creator in that space. It's the the good-hearted philanthropist kind of thing it's it's like you know like Batman where you're just like well I don't know if beating up the people is like the best solution for it. And he's like, okay, I'll beat up the Joker

Yeah, yeah, I guess I would maybe just certain people I just like it. I just like fund Like help the people or something. What if I just beat up like the Breaks? Okay. Wait, what? All right. Like for example, like many years ago at this point, this is like around pandemic time,

I was in a Discord group with some other creators and sometimes we would like voice chat and talk about like YouTube strategy and things like that. And sometimes MrBeast would come in and discuss YouTube strategy and give people feedback on thumbnails and things like that, right? In that, it seems to me that he like cares

about the game of YouTube. And what he probably feels like is he's giving cheat codes to everyone. And it is just like completely wrong. Ironically, honestly, it's a little bit like F1, where a lot of the teams just have more money and have better cars. And it's like, you have a mini van. You have not qualified for an F1 race yet. No Because the van also has an F1 engine in it, but it just rattles around in the front because it goes so fast

I'm the flash and I I put my feet through the bottom like Redstone and then I won. Okay. Congrats. I guess it's not just like everyone that I guess if you're really fast at running But like that is like the cliche of everyone where the team can't afford it. And they're like, okay, well, get more money. You know, it's like, so I just wanted to call out my own bias because this entire video or episode so far has been critical of him.

I haven't quite completely fallen on the other side of him being adverse to any feedback or change. Cause it does seem that he takes that feedback when criticized. The issue is whether or not it is internalized and, and results in action. Or if it's only ever go like kind of like a large, uh, large learning model, it's kind of like a large learning model.

It's kind of like, hey, it's only going to do stuff it's instructed to and at a certain point, you gotta have a little initiative. You gotta like pre-screen these things. It can't only, you gotta innovate and say, oh wait, hang on, this idea might be bad before I do it, as opposed to, well, we'll see if anyone tells me I'm wrong. In the most cynical, my fear would be him reaching out

to creators directly is simply to like tank the alt a little bit and try to, try to parry away some of this. Can you tell we've been playing too much expedition 33? It's more of a support role kind of reduce the Furosity like how how the fervor like reduced the amount of energy that people have for this issue Because if it's like oh, I can just talk to somebody and somebody goes. Oh my god, mr. Beast notice then then they like they like chill on it a little bit. Like that would be the most cynical way to view it.

And I think that the people criticizing him, us included, should continue to do so because it's a gigantic institution that not only has impact on creators, has impact on YouTube the platform. I know that for a fact, like, that people at YouTube are paying lots of close attention to MrBeast and his team, and he's talking to those people a lot.

And we have to make sure that, like, YouTube doesn't become a platform that is just for MrBeast and is, you know, for everyone else. Because it ultimately isn't super sustainable that way. There is, we haven't reached it yet, but there will be a market cap on how many Jimmy's can operate in rotation. Eventually it just starts to melt out. At a certain point you would imagine,

but Mr. Beast's business model is not to build and grow with a, with an audience. It's to meet people at like ages six to 18. And then from 35 to 65. It gets, it's weird. No, I'm just kidding. It's like they're trying to reach the maximal amount of people at all times. And there's a lot of kids in that who are aging out of it

because it's like pretty colors and explosions and stuff. And it's a little like, I mean, you know, like when people have like homework addiction and they come out of school and then they're like, wait, how do I get points? Like who's grading me on stuff? Like how do I win life right now? You're like, oh, sorry, the rules in the real life are like way weirder and not that fun and you don't just win from the rules.

And so that where it's like, well, I'm doing YouTube the hardest. I'm doing the most YouTube. Right. And you're like, right. But like other people want to like make something and do that. They want to like grow, but like within the thing they want to do. And he's like, but why would you do that one? When you can become rich and famous and also have all of the money in the world. The most points. It's almost like the money is arbitrary. It's like, yeah, the money is there so I can make another video that gets an A plus

from my teacher and I get a sticker. Jacksepticeye also was popping off. Here we bloody go. Friend of the show, Jacksepticeye. Top of the morning. He said, what the actual fuck? And he used my logo and the promotion for it too. I hate what this platform is turning into.

Fuck AI. So that's another thing. I hate what this platform is turning into. Fuck AI. So that's another thing. I was gonna ask if those logos consented. Yeah, I knew that when I saw this tweet that they weren't. And so that's another fucked thing. The first reply. It feels like kind of a lack of respect for other creators. You can't, if you're building a tool that is analyzing publicly available data, respect for other creators.

If you're building a tool that is analyzing publicly available data, that's one thing. But in an advertisement, when you're putting someone's logo in it, and you're advertising that it's like, oh yeah, our product works well with Jacksepticeye YouTube channel. When I saw those logos fly by, the only one that really jumped out to me that I spotted was Marques. I saw Marques and I went, oh, that's interesting. Cause I know he's not an accelerationist, but he is interested in tech and progress and tools.

And I'm like, okay, I can kind of see a world where maybe, you know, Jimmy reaches out, this is the project I'm working on. Would you be all right with me? Just putting this in the video, just from a vanilla brand PR point of view, just do that. Like if I had a Wendy's logo in the video, I'd be like, Oh, we should probably make sure that that's okay to have in there. Right. I think that the beast brain literally could not conceive of somebody not liking

think that the beast brain literally could not conceive of somebody not liking it to the point where he's like, oh yeah, I'll put in that like, okay, here's my ranking for ugly.com. I'm putting Jordan right in there. He won't be mad. Well, hang on, because he's ugly. What are you talking about? That's mean. It's not mean. I think it.

Like, why would you not want your logo's mean. It's not mean. I think it. Like, why would you know when you're logo on here? It's very good. Yeah. Don't you want to be associated with the future? Don't you want to? Oh, what do they say in the tech industry? Don't you want to see it on the spaceship? Yeah, dude. We're gag. We're a family and we're going on the spaceship. And what's your first name? Um, can you work overtime?

We recorded this episode on June 25th and on June 26th MrBeast released this video on his Twitter explaining that view stats would be removing the AI thumbnail feature and Would create another tool allowing video creators to connect with thumbnail artists to hire for their videos Let's cleanse our palate. I'm hungry. We're going to eat after this. You won't get to see that part. There's no Sad Boyz Buckbunk channel yet.

If you'll pay for it, we'll do it. For the right price. Tell me the right price and I'll do it. OK, but I have to talk to my therapist. No, just kidding. I've been texting me to make fun of you. So we got a little heated, we got a little into that last topic,

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You're like a you're like a minion slash a gestural from you're kind of like scooby-doo, too You're kind of like Scooby-Doo too. What was that? Who was I just now? You just saw a babe. You just saw a certified babe. My tongue rolls out, it won't come back. You're trying to pull a back. So we'll be doing this about once a month and on our Patreon in the $15 tier,

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Yeah, never feel any pressure. And you can just go nowhere. However, if you want Sad Boys mukbangs, send me a million dollars and I will give you a live feed of me eating. Every day. Every day. Hell yeah. So this comes from Campbell. He hem. Hello, Campbell. Dear sad boys and team, I am currently working a job that involves working one-on-one with a coworker for whole days with lots of tasks that leave time to talk as someone so bad at small talk that I often forget to ask how about you after

someone asked me how my weekend was I am rapidly running out of topics of conversation. Can you offer any advice or suggest some novel topics? Thank you, I'm sorry. This is like a worst nightmare scenario for someone who hates small talk. There is a type of work where, like in the programming world, there's a thing called pair programming, where you have someone who's the driver who's writing the code, and you have another person who's like, they're helping talk through everything. The idea is that two heads make better decisions and blah, blah, blah. And there's some companies that,

like I at least know of one company, that work mostly like that for all their development work, or one of our friends had to do it for their design work. Nightmare. Nightmare for me. Everybody has to drift compatible Mac. Yes, exactly. Collaborate. Nightmare for me. Everybody has to drift compatible. Yes, exactly. Okay. So I, can I just say, yes, not nightmare situation for me. I deal situation. I love to gab.

Well, what do you do? Tell us. Okay. Here's some tricks of the trade. Like I love to hear, tricks of the trade. Like I love to hear, like maybe this is actually me being too forward sometimes. Like sometimes I get worried that I'm asking too personal of questions, but I just love to hear people's stories about their lives. And so, you know, and also my brain's like a, you know, fricking ping pong ball, just like bouncing all around. So.

It's like a ping pong ball bouncing all around. You know? So sometimes I'll just be like, oh, breakfast was like so good this morning. Like, what's your favorite breakfast ever? Like, that's how my brain works. I do like the setup. You're like, it's almost like you're trying

to ask somebody out and you're trying to like find a way And it's like yeah, no movies are so good. Do you want to see one actually? What is that one you're like trying to see right now and maybe not alone. Oh my god I've been using chapstick my lips are so soft I've actually not been using chapstick. I've been cheating with something called chap GPT Not been using chapstick. I've been cheating with something called chap GPT But you you bring up a good point you can talk you can small talk about anything every little thing in the world has an infinite amount of

Complexity to it and if you need to like find time to talk or find something to talk about you can but I will say that Silence is also not bad it is not like like if Jordan and I are are are hanging or we're traveling or something there's gonna be talky chatty times there's also gonna be completely silent times you know you never see those on the podcast it would be a very boring podcast it would be kind of cool yeah no we what it no we'd look cool though sunglasses okay idea been around you guys when you're silent I never thought you're cool what the hell okay um imagine like a beats to study

to like loop where it's like us working going like. Hey, Jordan, Jordan being sniffily ASMR 10 hours. Jordan ticks, ticks only, it's me ruffling my nose, opening my eyes. I just wanna like answer the last question directly. Can you offer any advice or suggest some novel topics? Novel topics, I think, are movies. Novels. Things that you've done recently. And then also just being

genuinely interested in the other person. It is very easy to, I think if, it sounds like potentially by the way, that this other person is maybe a little less or a little more, a little more reticent to get the ball rolling socially. Like, like this person may be feeling, cause either they're feeling obliged to feel the sounds, which is a trainable skill. It's going to feel, feel unintuitive,

but ultimately if you're adapting to a workspace together, the sounds will kind of come naturally. The rhythm will find it. But also if you're just finding that they like, feel like they kind of want to chat but you're not sure how to kick it off, there's a very thin line I think between asking about a person and their personhood and their like intricacies and asking someone what they're feeling in the moment. I think if you're kind of people like to express and kind of talk about themselves

and in a positive sense and kind of bounce off of you and learn about you, it's a lot less intimidating. I think both as the asker and the askee art to answer. Hey, what do you think you want to do after work today? Or what are you planning this weekend? They're very generic, but there's always an answer in a way that like, who's the favorite member of your family? Or like, why did you grow up?

That's a one-timer. So some people, myself included, may not want to go super, I guess when I was in an office, but because my work now is getting personal, but the, I may, like, you don't wanna pry about someone's personal life at work. Yeah, you don't wanna be like, what's your relationship like with your mother?

Exactly. Now some of their five year plan is. Yeah, but. That's a tech booth. I'll say, what I will say is that if you find out something that they're interested in, that they, maybe a hobby that they have, there's an endless amount of questions and things.

Or a movie or a TV show, like anything that, if it's really bothering you, you could like take more of an interest in the things that they're interested in and then you have something to talk about, but they might not like small talk either. So that's the fine line Yeah, because that's the trouble I get into because I love chit chatting with people and then I'll encounter someone who hates it And that's when I'm like, okay

I need to chill and how do I balance my curiosity of someone with respecting their boundaries? Right. Depends what the work is, I suppose. But I also, there's like, uh, if there's, uh, gaps between these tasks, I think that does give you a rhythm. It sets one up for you. It's like, oh, now we're doing this task, whatever it is and for however long it is. Let's say it's like a physical labor related, right? Like you move some boxes, like an opening of SVU. I'm just the guy moving the boxes, a party! One of those people. Boy, who put that in there?

Well, then it's like, okay, naturally, little rest point, a how are you, et cetera. One thing to keep in mind, there is a very good chance because nobody is like adept at all social things. There is a very good chance that they are feeling the same way, if not more severely, that like they aren't sure how to move it along. Even if they seem maybe comfortable or charismatic or something, everyone, it's a balancing act. Nobody's, nobody's amazing at this.

It's a gift to ask like a, an easy question and then they can dictate the flow. The last thing I'll say is that depending on the nature of the work, if the person has a particular focus in the type of work, you could also ask them questions. Like, with programming, I feel like I could learn a lot from people, because there's so many different things that people would be interested in in that field that I would never give a shit about to learn myself,

but then I could learn it from someone else, because they love to talk about it. So it's kind of like, you just gotta poke and prod figuratively and like find what someone is like responds really positive to and then just like mine that yeah, and you're boring conversations Well, like boring topics will probably become fun because you'll get to know each other so much better Just naturally by sharing the same area. Yeah being like what are your plans this weekend or got any fun plans this weekend? being like what are your plans this weekend or got any fun plans this weekend? Roll my eyes. Then you find out what someone's interested in. Yeah maybe you bring them a gift like a little tiny knickknack and then if they really

respond to it then now you've got a bunch of stories you can tell about finding it or about the weird guy that you saw at the store. Carry stickers on your person at all times. Yeah or don't cuz that's fucking strange. Like little plastic ducks or something. One thing that sucks about like it being in a professional setting instead of just a like super chill setting is it's so fun to gossip. Oh yeah. Oh, it's ever so fun to gossip and you really shouldn't do too much of that at work.

I have a friend who is around my age, but everyone she works with is like in their late fifties. Um, and it's like all these old women that like one at a time will come to her and talk shit about the others. And so she doesn't like, she just listens to it. And so she has like all of the office drama from everyone. She can view everything. She's got all the comp from her. Okay, let's speed run.

I do have a quick word on this in terms of like, if you aren't sure if they also wanna talk at that moment or like if they wanna focus on their work, I always just straight up say like, hey, if I'm yapping too much, like straight up tell me you want to work and I won't be offended just be like, oh, sorry, I need to focus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like, I went on a first date a while ago and I was like worried that we would run out of things to talk about because we were just like sitting down and getting coffee.

We ended up talking for five hours because it was just like, you know. You're at the door. Yeah. You can very easily piggyback new conversations onto the ones you were having. Just yes ands. Like as, yeah, like as you're talking about something,

if it reminds you of something else, keep that there until they're done talking to you. Like also, and just like keep doing that if if that helps you continue finding topics also off of what Jarvis just said we're never gonna end this question I we keep getting on actually got better at being social because of improv mmm yeah no how it is. No, no, you're welcome to talk. I'm yes-anding, you're yes-and. And I'm just Josh. So we're gonna speed through these next ones, speed round,

and we know what that means. It'll probably still take a while, but we're gonna try our best. Yeah, these ones might be hard to speed run. Ha! Oh no! What advice, oh great. All right, Alex says,

what advice would you give your 18-year-old self on career relationships goals? I will speed run this. On career, find something that you really are passionate about because it becomes a lot easier to invest all kinds of time and interest into that thing when you're not forcing it. Relationships, similarly surround yourself

with people who build you up rather than tear you down, people who you admire, with people who you like being around, who give you energy rather than take it and value those relationships. And even if they wax and wane, they will live forever. And then goals, it's an ever shifting target. It's okay to have short term goals and it's okay to think you're going in one direction and then ultimately change those directions.

You can never go backwards, only forwards and it's also okay to not have goals. You gotta breathe. I have a short answer for all of them. Trust yourself, trust your gut. If something doesn't feel right, it's not right. If you don't, if you're not super into the partner, you should break up. If you aren't enduring the career and it's not necessary, if you can always change it

something else every day older that you are, you are a better judge than the person a day ago. The 18 year old self has a way worse idea of what your goals are than your 19 year old self and your 20 year old self. If they feel like, wait a minute, I don't like this field at all. Why am I studying in it? Why am I so focused on doing a dentistry when I actually, it's the thing I hate, then you're more right than the 18 year old self that said it. Setting a goal is only useful if it progresses and you enjoy

doing it. Relationship wise, literally if you don't like the relationship, you should break up 100% of the time. There's a way to think about my life where I wasted time by entering another career that was unrelated to what I do now. But if I hadn't followed that curiosity, it wouldn't have led me to so many of the things in relationships that I now have, even though it seems like it would be more obvious

to take a direct line if I could see the future. That's my whole life. I mean, you guys often, you know, razz me for having done everything. You joined the Peace Corps and worked at the museums so that you could be a producer on Sablix Podcast. It's specifically in our job description.

This job didn't exist when I was 18. Think about that. Because we were too young to podcast. Because we were being born. It was like, we make fun of you, but really it's complimentary because you have a wealth of life. And I think that is like, you've experienced so much more life in your time on earth. You're about all me.

So don't be, that's because I didn't really know what I wanted to do. And I pivoted constantly. Well, you know what you don't want to do? I, I, yeah, I knew what I didn't want to do. I, I want to be a professor. And then I was like, Oh, nope. Don't want to be a professor. Try this thing, nope, don't want to do that thing. Try this thing. And I just kept trying things till I found this beautiful home with Sad Boys LLC. Follow your curiosity if you can.

I think that's one of the biggest gifts you can give yourself. Obviously you gotta make cash money and survive and pay bills and stuff. So it's a luxury and a privilege so you can always break up my one thing if for myself specifically my 18 year old self relax chill chill out it's fine you're just starting and also if you think you should go to the doctor, go get some, go see what mental health you might need. I would tell myself in two years there's going to be a thing called Bitcoin.

It's dumb as hell, but buy it. Buy it while it's cheap. The people telling you about it, they're the worst, but just do it. And then in a few years you can buy all the Pokemon cards you want, I promise. I have a cringe one, real quick, I'll just throw out, is be kind, but not a pushover. It is not kind to be quiet. It is not kind to be a people pleaser. It's actually destructive for all parties. But cynicism is not cool. It's not impressive. It doesn't do anything for you. Or anyone else. Defaulting to benefit of the doubt, but keeping enough self-awareness to see when someone is wronging you,

that is basically the answer to career relationships and goals. My last, my last one I promise is advice that I learned that has helped me in a lot of situations is pretty common. Will this matter in five minutes? Will this matter in an hour? Will it matter in a day in a week? Yeah, I try to pee when you have to pee. Yes. Don't hold it too long. To that point, the tactic is, or a tactic that I would advise is like, or that my therapist has advised me, I will say, is you can worry, tell yourself that you can worry as much as you want in half an hour about this and just pause it for right now.

And you'd be surprised how often half an hour comes up and you're not as worried about it. And scenes. Especially if you have ADHD and you literally can't remember what it was. Alright now this one's from Al or is it AI? Because that would be very funny. Beep boop, beep beep beep boop. Okay so it's very long but we're going to make it so short.

Oh god, I'm so confused. Oh one last thing I'll say. Okay this is asking, this is more asking for an opinion because this made me curious I started talking to a girl and when I told her I don't really have social media. She said sorry That's a red flag for me But mark what's your take on that? It's a red flag Don't be weird I feel like people can be kind of entitled online it felt pretty rude personally I wonder if it's just me you have felt strange and other people I've asked agree with me. What's your take on public figures?

How does this affect dating? Yeah, that's, I think that anything, anytime someone has a red flag that is like so, who cares? Like, if it's like, I like the band Coldplay, I don't. Like if they go, whoa, that's a red flag for me? It's like, okay, you care about dumb shit. I like the band Coldplay. I don't like if they and they go whoa, that's a red flag for me It's like okay You care about dumb shit and if you are very invested in any of anybody who has like that suite of

Yellow and red flags that like anime style Clan guild you are part of the red guild and this this trait means this You're weird. You're like a weird person. That is a bad trait to have is categorizing because what it means is you can't think for yourself. You don't have like real opinions. You have like, not listening to arty monkeys means you're a bad bloke. Like you listen to arty monkeys. No, but someone on Twitter told me what the right opinion was.

I also think like, okay, so that's a red flag. That's a red flag for this person. And it's like, who knows why that's a red flag for this person, but. They got told it. You know, that's their prerogative. And it honestly says more about them and their experience than it says about you. They're also don't take it personally.

They are rude. They're just rude. You can move on to The next person and they're telling you You know a crazy thing to say they're telling you that they're not right for you with that sent yeah every time I like ask my friends like oh are you guys do you want to be tagged in this story that I'm posting and Someone says no, I'm like cool. Do you want you want your face with it? No, that's fine. Just don't tell me. I'm like, okay. And this person being like, oh, you're not sharing every moment of your life with everyone in the world. Maybe this is just because I'm like, I'm black

pulled with that shit or whatever. But like, this is such a funny interaction because in my mind, this person basically said, um, yeah, I'm like an Olympian, I actually can run a one second mile and then the person went like, ew. Being, they're completely not on social media, that is, I can dunk with my eyes closed, I can shoot a 3000 pointer, no that is way cooler than you, that's impressive and good, I'm healthy and well happy. I don't know how old they are,

but I think that it can be common when you're younger to place a lot of value on some of these things that don't really matter. We don't have your own principles yet. And for me, if someone told me they don't watch TV or movies, I wouldn't say that's a red flag for me, but I'm like, oh, that's something that we won't be able to relate on.

And it could be similar here, where it's more like maybe they want to talk about sad boys podcasts, and they wanna talk about TikTok trends, and things like that. And so maybe they don't feel like they can relate on those things that they spend a lot of their time with. And thus it's a red flag.

But I think that the reason we reacted this way is saying sorry, that's a red flag for me is so insane. Yeah, that is, it is weird. It's honestly cringe. It's just so weird. This could have been about anything, but that's just such weird social behavior. Yeah, it's just a weird social behavior.

They could have said, sorry, I don't think we're gonna have much in common. Because I spend 100% of my time on social media. They could have said, sorry, I don't think we're going to have much in common. Because I spent 100% of my time on social media. Yeah. Which is, you know, whatever. I briefly dated somebody who didn't drink for their own health reasons. It just didn't react well. It just made them feel sickly. So they didn't drink, but had like some like kind of light social anxiety in larger spaces. And when they had drank in the past, they had like some like kind of light social anxiety in larger spaces. And when they had drank in the past, they're like, actually kind of helps me get past that. Now I'm not suggesting this as a balm or something, but a lot of time we would go to an event or a party or something.

And I do really like hanging out with friends in larger spaces. I think it's fun exploring that and supporting one another and getting into it. And as like some of my friends would have drinks and stuff, she wasn't engaging with that and also wasn't engaging generally socially. None of these things are wrong. But it ruined several parties that I was going to because the whole time they were just waiting to go home. Now if they dated somebody that did not enjoy parties like that, if they dated somebody that also didn't drink and they dated somebody that was also more into the hobbies they had, we didn't have a lot of crossover. It's just a better fit.

It's alignment, man. Like, I don't know. For me, it's like a little bit of a yellow, maybe a red flag. Again, I hate the terminology, but that's called red flag, not something that's objectively bad, but something that is like, Oh, okay. We can't date is if somebody was, I don't know, like super religious. That's fine. I just don't. I'm just pretty super not religious. And it would, I would feel like I was robbing them of the opportunity to be sincere and open and go to church or something. I like the, sorry, one more, one

more, one more. The person I'm right now. It's like I'm trying to the the person I'm seeing right now they also they don't drink for health reasons and at first I was like oh like will they be able to have as much fun at a party that they go to with me, like as everyone else is having, I'm like, no, that's my own anxiety. They know how to handle themselves at parties and I can't be concerned for them about that. I just have to like be chill about it.

And it's the same with the social media thing, where whatever they told me, they don't really like post much. I was like, that rocks. I wish I could stop doing that. I wanna not do it actually. And with that, I got one more notice Next question. Thanks everyone who wrote in we'll see you back here in about a month's time and see what other

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