Sad Boyz - MrBeast Is Evil Actually

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan, parentheses Adika. Parentheses Adika. And we are recording a podcast in person again. We did it. The podcast so nice, we recorded it in person twice. That's it. No more.

No more after this. Oh, what about thrice? So if you haven't seen the previous episode, we're doing this in person now jordan's here in person if you haven't been caught up on your sad boys lore yeah have you read the manga or you're yeah i'm kind of i'm like uh i'm on the i'm on the dub and it's a little bit behind the translations a little wonky yeah it's a lot of uh terms that just don't translate you know data bio is like there's no english right there's no english equivalent you know when we're uh welcome to sad boys believe it believe it so we are fiddling around with our setup we're adding a little bit

of production we're trying to do we're trying to do the damn thing podcast style and part of that is we have more cameras as you can notice one new camera every episode every episode um and eventually we'll be able to do the like thing from the matrix where we oh a full we do like the slow-mo like with a bunch of uh with a bunch of cameras well eventually we will be able to bankrupt the business by buying cameras. Yeah, that's kind of my goal actually as a creator to just spend all of the money, not on salaries, but on cameras. That would be awesome.

Bury me in my pile of cameras. Speaking of salaries, we're joined today by our new producer, Jacob. Hi. Bear with us as we navigate our evolution of the podcast we eventually want to have a more consistent place to film but it's not ready yet so we're in my living room it's been like really you know sometimes when something has a little too much momentum or change or in a positive way yeah like our podcast that has always had too much momentum for the entire five years

it's like yeah it's this weird we've been building a foundation for so long and then you know the san andreas fault has wobbled and collapsed the house of cards of the show again and again and we're trying to build it and build it and build it then i'm out of the country and then we're back and but i moved fully now that all the things are in place i still have this weird doubt oh yeah for sure it's like well part of it is that i spent so long visiting before i moved back move back i'm like how many episodes can we get in before i go again right which is not the case yeah i don't have to do that um i am gonna dip back to the uh uk briefly in like a month and a half oh for i am the

invisalign bastard oh yeah he's an invisalign boy you can't see him like you can't see his teeth like john cena well that's what invisalign does it pulls him out it pulls him out yeah you just see like gum you see that shit about some of the invisalign alts like like resulting in people losing teeth what well there's so there's a bunch of you know braces alternatives mostly oh the alternatives to invisalign so not like invisalign proper or What? Well, so there's a bunch of, you know, braces alternatives. Mostly. Oh, the alternatives to Invisalign. So not like Invisalign proper or regular braces, but like. Yeah, like a.

Bite. Invasoline. Invasoline. Yeah, which is just some pliers. Yeah. Trying to move them into the right place. I mean, you probably had the same experience with your brace. It's very cathartic to like look in the mirror now and then.

It's like working out. Like every now and then you just see a slight change. It was weird. And I think that for me, it was extra strange because I had the like brackets strapped to my teeth for the entire time. So I could never get used to what it would look like. And there's a lot of morbid curiosity where I would like try to Photoshop the braces off of my teeth to see what they were like looking like. And that became too difficult. Do you see yourself now when you imagine your visage, do you see yourself with the gap or it's. Oh, I like forgot. I like don't recognize myself like

from the past. Well, I mean, also you've been on camera for 10 000 more hours since getting rid of the gap right yeah every once in a while i will get a comment about the gap for those who don't know what i'm talking about i got talking about the thigh gap yeah we're talking about the thigh gap i'm i'm an itty bitty thigh man so when i want to say now I've had the braces off for like maybe two years, almost two years. Yeah. It was in the middle of the pandemic that I got them off. But I want to say like 2018 to 2020 is when I had braces. Yeah.

Because it was before you moved down. And I was doing content and I was really self-conscious about that. But I did content before I got braces. And then I was like, I'm going to get braces because I want them for my life. But it is going to tank all of my content aspirations because no one will follow a creator with braces. had the braces for two years while doing content and then got them off and continued doing content. So the weird thing that happens now is that people will be binging my videos and they'll like, it'll happen very quickly to them that my teeth change. And they're like, wait, go back. I missed the gap. And I'm like, well, that's not a thing that you should really say to someone yeah because what am i supposed to do like go back yeah actually you guys got any pliers back there we could just like kind of crank this one back in there yeah no i have cold face uh fat or whatever yeah exactly the buckle fat removal for my yeah gap buckle gap removal i have a um internal retainer permanently keeping my gap close uh not a big one literally just between my two front teeth and uh bottom four teeth like a wire

yeah yeah your tongue got used to the at the beginning i assume there's like a oh yeah and and i just got my teeth cleaned welcome to teeth boys um i just got my teeth cleaned and there's i have a wire below and i can't stop thinking about it yeah i mean that's another it's silly at this point in our lives to harp on how many weird similarities there are but the fact that we also both ended up getting adult braces and had like self-consciousness about effectively the same part of our mouths because mine would it was the top teeth for me yeah yeah yeah but now we both look fucking phenomenal we've been i know it's it's kind of crazy we do it at like several different angles the glow up the glow up is real cut cut cut camera a b c cut so i guess the moral of the story is if anyone out there thinks it's too late

for them to get braces it's not not. For me, it was, and I think maybe you as well, you know, braces aren't cheap and I didn't like get them as a kid because I couldn't afford them. And even with insurance and stuff, it's not the cheapest thing in the world. And so as an adult, I was finally like, okay, I'm ready to, I'm ready to do this. And you do feel like a teenager for a bit but you do feel like you're perpetually late to like biology class but at the end of the day it's rewarding and definitely something that i would do again if i you know if i could choose it does feel genuinely a lot like working out where it's like this small it's like a small takes a little

motivation to get going every now and then you get frustrated sometimes you don't see the progress you want to see but then with a long enough timeline i wish i'd started doing progress pics with the teeth because i i yeah the closest i had was the patreon career website photo from 2015 right yeah i would because all the content at this angle too. Yeah. So I don't get to, same as this effectively. Right. I don't get to, this is the monkey tooth, which I kind of partially did because I was trying to hide the monkey tooth. Yeah, right.

You're like Dream, where you only show yourself from one angle. Yeah. He's doing it. I had only ever seen the photo and then I saw the clip a couple of days ago and I laughed out loud. Look, he's a fine looking dude. I'm not trying seen the photo. And then I saw the clip a couple of days ago and I laughed out loud. Look, he's a fine looking dude.

I'm not trying to criticize him. I have met Dream in person. Nicest dude. Beautiful man. Just such an odd choice. It was just a funny thing. And I think that that's an okay observation to make. Look, well, we've actually decided.

Just that his face is only in one angle the entire the entirety of the video i just want to give a shout out and officially say fan of the show dream we think you're a good looking guy so you can actually feel good now people were asking us to weigh in on dream gate for a while um dream face the dream face reveal and now here we are in the year 2023 to to go ahead and say that dream is a looker he's a good looking man and he's very tall really yeah he's i think he's about as tall if not taller than you i know it's a it's kind of disgusting for now dude um there is a type of like let's play white guy that is so long you know there's another guy from the oh rambu is also like

very tall i wasn't um uh rhyme style's tall no oh i haven't seen rhyme style in person and then also eric shout out to eric we should get alistair on the podcast um as well who is a tall beautiful man as well, or tall, beautiful person. Be careful about getting people taller than me. I really just want to keep you in your place. Let's get Noel. That'll make us feel better.

Noel, please come on the podcast and make Jordan feel tall. I have a weird thing about myself that I've noticed, and I was thinking about it today, and I tweeted about it, and I want to get your take, and I want to get the audience's take. I killed a man. That's a weird thing about it. Yeah. Weird thing I was thinking about in the car today with a man in my trunk. So I like eating in my car. I like sitting in my car and I like eating in my car and it feels weird, but it's a private, quiet space that is all my own. And I feel safe there. The reason I thought about this is that I went and got a coffee and a donut from a location, a cafe establishment. And the thing I was excited to do was sit in the parking lot in my car and eat the donut and drink the coffee and like watch a YouTube video. I think that's perfectly reasonable. Did you get in the car where you parked it or did you take it to a scenic location? No, I literally got into it where I parked it,

but I considered going elsewhere. But the other option that I was thinking about was just sometimes I sit a little bit too long in my garage after I park. And so I was, um, you can't figure out how to get out of the car. Yeah. I was like, I think it's a little sadder if I'm eating in my garage. So at the very least, um, at the very least I will sit, it was in this open air, like on the dirt I was parked. So I think that's perfectly fine. I we also we're late drivers so i think we maybe have a little bit more romance for cars uh in in yeah in contrast to baby drivers we are we are elderly elderly drivers yeah i just got my license last year yeah that's right i am currently setting up my u.s license this is another similarity god it's fun isn't it yeah it's can we talk again about how people mix us up crazy that it's happening still it doesn't stop

happening we uh i don't even remember where we are i'm not gonna you know call anyone out it's not their fault it's the third time we met them or something like that but we were both at a party a few weeks ago it was like a sitcom moment. Yeah. Literally, you walk through the door just in time to hear him go, you're Jarvis, right? It would have been a great bit if you turned around and left. And we played the Kirk theme. I'm going to see if Dipper is going to chill. I think he can contribute something interesting to the show.

He's got to stop saying the bad words. Yeah, that's true. He'll probably get us demonetized. A lot of old-timey slurs. Yeah, weird ones, yeah. Call someone a gabagool, which I know is a sandwich meat, so I don't know if that's like an Italian word. He called me a two-legger.

And I was like, what does that even mean? He's like, okay, true, I guess. Yeah, which is's like i guess a slur for dogs they would use against their human muggle yeah it's like it's like mud blood which is so bad i we it is actually kind of fucked up how evil mud blood sounds yeah it's way worse than the n-word okay it sounds like a biracial slur is being a wizard a race thing well it's weird right because it's like a species it's like well not not to speculate but it almost gives the impression that uh jk rowling is a person maybe of a certain background with no

exposure to people of color and there's a couple of things i don't know what you would what would give you that impression well no she loves uh diversity or whatever and actually dumbledore is gay yeah so my question is um my question is is harry potter like logic or is he more like a liger it's one of the yeah you see those like tech talk memes where it's like like skin dark skin guys yeah yeah because i'm just like yeah memes where it's like, like skin, dark skin guys. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I'm just like, yeah. Is it like a species thing where like, where like muggles and wizards can like crossbreed or is it racial?

These are the questions that we really need to get to the bottom of. That would be great. If it's just because you never specifies. If it's just implied in the book that all the wizards are black people. She's like, um check pottermore actually what was the thing you were telling me about the video essay you're watching where they they reread recently all the harry potter books and they talked about how much time was spent just like describing how like fat someone was oh yeah uh sean hold on uh uh trigger warning for fat phobia yeah um which and

jk rowling in general jk rowling in general i'll say it is one of the i think jk jk rowling can almost smokescreen all of her her other transgressions because of the worst thing that she now does yeah but uh yeah even at the time those books are really mean spirited they're very like uh unattraction coded or whatever it's like like people are who people who are ugly or bad and she treats you know like any anything that deviates from her interpretation of attractive as evil so like dudley is and she defends this by saying like, oh yeah, but the Weasley mother, she's plump or whatever. It's like, okay.

But you used a very charitable term in her case. And then. Yeah. It's almost like she said she's one of the good ones. She's a model minority. Yeah. And then she's like delightfully plump. But literally.

Which is the only like polite coded word for describe. I feel like that is a word that i remember in that book but everyone else is just like fat slimy oily you know what i mean ovular yeah i recommend the video in general um it's very like very critical of jk rowling and even if some of her her writing can be triggering though you know taste may vary so so it is it can be quite cathartic to see her being called out in such a light because this uh sean is one of my favorite youtube channels it's just goes by sean s-h-a-u-n and is all like sporadic h bomber guy levels of uploads and effort right great listens because they're usually just static images of his little skull

avatar right um he sounds like me if i was super british if i went to kind of super saiyan 2 where the lightning was around me and i was british you know what i mean i got it uh yeah highly recommend but that video is is very cathartic he's also like a major trans ally which is refreshing for the british it's crazy they're like they're like olympic transphobes i i had no idea yeah they're really putting that i've had to have like genuine very i think my extended family i've had like very minimal contact with most of my life, but we've reconnected more now. My aunt especially because she's been kind of helping me care for my mom and stuff like that.

And she is, she's great and fairly progressive, but it did reveal to me that the extended family is like maybe a little con. A little or, you know, a little bit. They wouldn't call themselves Tories, but the, like, I don don't know the ideology is like indistinguishable right uh they're the best so the beastie boy mr beastie boy oh yeah the the how many members of the beast boys are there three is he the fourth beastie boy the fourth secret beastie boy so young jimmy young jimbo mr bees got himself the largest youtuber i don't think he needs a x he needs an introduction yeah i think he's doing okay yeah his his cloud he is cloud-based software he is he is cloud cloud you've heard of cloud-based software but he's cloud-based

hardware i think he's uh i mean what his general high concept is yeah hey we did this thing yeah he does like big stunts um there's like a philanthropy bent there's also a sort of just giving a lot of money away in general there's like a financial bent because it's like his initial his first video was he gave away $10,000 that he got from a brand deal. And then he just kept sort of repeating that process. And it kept getting bigger and bigger. It's kind of like where somebody takes like a pin and they trade it for a house, you know? Except for he traded it for a billion dollar identity.

He's a billion dollar man. Having an industry, basically. Yeah, billion dollar industries. Because he's got everything. He's got the content. He's a billion dollar man. Having an industry, basically. Yeah, a billion dollar industries because he's got everything. He's got the content. He's got the philanthropy. He's got the restaurants. A burger.

Yeah, he's got Mr. Beast bars, the chocolate. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So he's all over the place. In the spirit of philanthropic content, a couple of weeks ago at time of recording, I think a week ago or so, he released a video in which he pays for a thousand people across the globe, a couple hundred in the US, I believe, and then kind of spread out across the globe.

Right. A good click in Africa as well. He pays for a production-wise on the side of healthcare, very cheap cataract surgery, 10 minute cataract surgery to effectively cure blindness for a thousand people or at least extremely limited vision. Very quick surgery, very simple. And in essence, what it was to a lot of people, ourselves included, is a critique of the lack of health care support globally. Either medical availability in some countries and regions. Right.

And then more like critically in the US, it's all entirely available, but completely unaffordable. Right. Because you're watching that and you're going, wait, there's how many people? Like the fact that he chose a thousand is a huge number. Yeah. like the fact that he chose a thousand is a huge number yeah and the procedure is i believe in the realm of about three thousand dollars an eye up to seventy five hundred dollars an eye okay so completely inaccessible to huge swaths of people yeah exactly and i don't know how you know insurance plays into that and not everybody has access to insurance. And in America, especially a lot of times insurance is connected to your job. So it's just a whole, there's a lot of sort of critique that

can be made of the healthcare systems in America and elsewhere. But Mr. Beast video being Mr. Beast video, that's not the focus of the video. The focus of the video is the people receiving their surgery and having this like, oh, wow, inspirational experience of like being able to see. And that's the thing that makes the content engaging. Yeah. And he's, you know, is pretty outwardly or has in the past been pretty supportive of like base productive capitalism he likes that he he is a stan and a fan of has been like positive feedback towards elon musk in occasion and uh yeah he's a steve jobs fan which is all is you know neither here nor there but it is it's indicative of his um you know engagement with capitalism and endorsement or at least endorsement to a generation of people that are watching his content non-critically

yeah and i also i just don't think he's like a particularly political guy so i don't think i think he sees the world the way he sees it intuitively i think and i do think i think the philanthropic element though it is you know, this video is, I'm sure, like, financially a net positive for the business, especially as far as exposure and growth goes. Yeah. It, I do think it's sincere. I don't think it was a cynical thing. And even if it was the most cynical thing in the world, I'm glad a thousand people couldn't see it. Right.

I think it's interesting because Mr. Beast. But we said the critique that people are making is similar to ours in that there is this systemic problem that should maybe be more of focus of the content. Right. Hey, it's crazy that I need to do this. Yeah. Which does not come up. Well, I think that so there was a big viral Twitter thread where someone said, hey, this feels demonic. Yeah. said, Hey, this feels demonic. And I think that that, and where that's coming from, where that person is coming from is this rich person is doing this good thing. It feels like it's making these

like less fortunate people like dance for healthcare and stuff and it's like rubbing them the wrong way and i think that that is like i i don't want to invalidate that way of reading the situation um but it is born out of the systemic inequalities and the like healthcare system as it exists and like the types of people that are like prevented, they're paywalled from, from care that is a necessity essentially to like, to live life to their fullest potential, because it seems silly to be like, like the, literally it's like a video game where it's like, you don't have access to seeing, right? Like, and it's like, that's, there's a level cap and it's like the in the reason is you've got a micro transaction which is the inexpensive healthcare thing and that

feels like a problem and it is a problem um there are people who disagree with any sort of performative giving and performative charity i think think cosmetic altruism, right? Yeah. Where it's like, it's being done in public and it's being done for content, but you know, like you said, it's a net positive for the business. I think that Mr. Beast would argue that it like loses a lot of money for him to do, which I don't deny. But when we say net positive we mean the flywheel of mr beast's thing it's like he loses money on every video but it allows him to keep the flywheel going and keep keep growing so it's like a loss leader you know what i mean he has huge archive earnings right these these videos don't tend to slow down that much yeah but. But you know, he's, he seems like

the type, and I will take him at face value here that like, if he says he's losing money on videos, I don't, um, have a reason to say that that's false, but also if he was losing money on everything he was doing, then he wouldn't be able to run his business. So clearly something is like keeping, keeping things, uh running but yeah i mean long story short i think we're in we're aligned on the fact that like i mean what's demonic about it most broadly is it's a shame that there's not more of an active critique of capitalism which to his credit he later did acknowledge in a very apolitical way that i you know yeah i think it's a shame sometimes when such significant platforms don't you know this is a weird comparison to make but it's almost a uh obama lib complacency

era type thing where the obama administration was celebrated for being so progressive but ultimately couldn't have been more compromising or more acknowledgement based more just yeah here are the things we believe i mean of course fully socialized health care is crazy it wouldn't work but we can give you this rebranded equivalent that uh still fits within yeah and i mean it's like in its uh i don't like know the answers obviously and like yeah for example, like Obamacare is something that, you know, the like Republicans and stuff demonize and treat it as like the worst thing in the world. And then the second that they tried to get rid of it, uh, couldn't, um, because of how popular it

was. And I, I do think it's like, I think it's a valid criticism of Mr. Beast to ask more of him. He is, he is at the, he is at the size and scale that he has the resources to, to cater to like, to have more of a messaging in it. Even if he wanted to keep it apolitical, he could have included that statement that he made on twitter in the video itself it like it's in the subtext of the video but also you know i think that it's fair for more for people to ask for more um from him because you have great power great responsibility exactly um and with imbalance power like yeah no no portion of the population should be able to have such a disproportional amount of wealth yeah it's wild i noticed too the people that would still after he acknowledged it still defending usually just have a lack of imagination are unable to like conceive

they treat charity like this innate innate thing that exists in nature as though like the capitalist system is just born in our bones as opposed to you know i'd say this partially as you know a filthy immigrant myself um you are i you know i socialized health care majority of my life yeah um i don't remember when i was younger i remember i i had a lot of uh health issues when i was a kid we used to go to the hospital a lot but i know for a fact that it wasn't we were poor for different reasons yeah i know that that was not an issue and now you know my family you know without maybe one day i'll go into it but like we receive uh uh my family has support my mom has support there we go i'll just say it my mom has 24 hour support care workers and we don't pay a penny for that we we her situation is very unique

still like the majority of people wouldn't get that right likely be in a facility but we i pay her rent and and general expenses and then the support workers are there um from a private business completely financed exclusively by the council and the nhs by extension and that is a i don't want to speak with some kind of authority. Like I have the legislative power, but all I know for a fact is that it is a viable option. Right. Yeah. Regardless of like what has to be re-engineered or changed. It is, I'd be curious to see how it affects his content in the future.

Yeah. I'm curious because I think it performed well for him. So it could mean that he's going to like pivot his direction more towards stuff like this. I think that when it comes to the critique of him and just like Twitter is like a very loud place where the most extreme takes win in terms of win the most points in the forms of like likes engagement. And I do think that for me, fundamentally, a lot of the critique after he kind of came out and said, you know, Hey, like, I don't think it should be this way. I don't understand why it has to be this way. Is just people having different politics. And I do think that that's like, you know, it's like, if you see capitalism as a impossible system to work, a system that could never work and you prefer, you know, a different system, then

that is valid. But it's also like you, the energy that people come at people who don't like who kind of are apolitical and not thinking so deeply about it as if they're like the most malicious actors you know in the world and they're engaging in like poverty tourism because of you know all they care about is the profit motive and yada yada yada like, I mean, I think that we could do more critiques of capitalism without the like personal attacks or the personal sort of trying to assume the motive of, of somebody who exists within like a capitalist system. And plenty of the people defending it are, it is, it is bad faith in plenty of cases. And it's only there for the, you know, they are there for the conflict in the same way, the people defending construction of capitalism and Mr. Beast production

and they're Elon Musk people, right? The Venn diagram is a circle. Yeah. But, you know, at the same time, I think there are plenty of people that literally just don't have the imagination for it. They like it so ingrained, which is just how systemic things work. They are already the case. So I wouldn't,

I want you to imagine a color you've never seen before. Yeah. It's intimidating and overwhelming and probably comforting. What are the, what are the, the monochromatic I will say is the thumbnail. Oh, vibes are off.

It is. Here it is on screen. It is a, it is Mr. Beast doing is this smile, you know, and then a crying child. It's, yeah, I mean, yeah. Which is a very funny thing to ask you. I also like, I think that Mr. Beast is like, his stature is entirely worthy of criticism. And we should continue to criticize the institution

of Mr. Beast. But I think that as something that we have learned sort of in our professional backgrounds and like giving feedback, it's a lot more effective to focus on like the action and the effect than like assume someone's personal intent because the intent like doesn't matter and so it's like if you you know um hurt me in some way with your actions

i uh it's more it's less constructive for me to say hey you suck or like hey you hate me than to say like hey when you did x it made me feel y you know yeah especially when the relationship is limited to you know if it's especially when the relationship is limited to, you know, if it's only a coworker and not someone you're that close to who the motivation doesn't matter as much as their actions. You know, Mr. Beast, none of the critiques I would make in Mr. Beast have anything to do with my relationship.

Don't know the man. Don't know the man. Don't know the man. I did, I have met the man though. The myth, the legend. The man, the myth, the legend. I did, and he doesn. The myth, the legend, the myth, the legend I did. And he doesn't remember this. I know.

Uh, because he later told someone that he, uh, hasn't met me in person, but in fact, in 2019, we were at an event together and I did, uh,

teach him to roller skate. That's a little bit of a fun fact that, that, well, this is like a teaser trailer yeah this was it was like me and zach from the try guys at this like youtube summit um at a roller rink i still have the youtube branded roller skates from this event of course uh and signed by mr beast yeah and and i we were like on either side of mr beast helping him roller skate in a roller rink so

this is like it's almost like a setup for in like a disaster movie where it's a flashback and jimmy is learning to skate and then it's like we need to get away from the earthquake yeah i have just the move oh but i do want to acknowledge that it is very respectable that he he had that initial oh oh oh i see oh like a defensive initial reaction to then review the feedback and have another reaction that like was very admirable. I'm taking on the feedback. Yeah. That's just a rare thing for human beings to do. The guy is obsessed with learning. socioeconomic, you know, uh, conditions that like cause people to react to his content in a certain

way. I don't think it's like going to take him that long to understand that. But I, and maybe some people would criticize us for giving him too much credit or like not going hard enough on him. But I'm also like, he's pretty young. He's like 24. And I'm, and I, I genuinely did not think about the world at large until I was like 25. Yeah. And, and I think that that's a weird thing about our jobs is that we have all of this reach and influence, but we shouldn't like, there's nothing that like makes us like more entitled to someone's attention than than anyone else we just have it and we need to be responsible with it or we we want to be responsible with it because of who we are as people well like peter parker didn't make the

spider you know what i mean i just found him and then like oh unfortunately it's not against the law to like not be a good influence yeah for sure yeah um but yeah no what very worthy critique i made the same the demonic element is certainly there and even on that thread the the guy making that critique was like this is just more about how uncomfortable it is or how shaky it makes me feel but yeah i don't know i'll just i really just wanted to give a a endorsement of his i wouldn't even it's not an apology an endorsement of his acknowledgement what's that credit where credit is due yeah the person making that thread was like this is just how i feel um it's not that deep i think or something like that and it is interesting that some people are like well you shouldn't have even said anything if you were going to come at him like this. And I'm like, well, this person kind of identified a very unformed thought. You know, they, they, they tweeted like this. I can't explain why,

but it makes me feel weird. And then the discussion was like people trying to explain why, but other people are like, you shouldn't have even said this and i'm like i think that it's twitter and i think you're allowed to just say things yeah okay so we kind of got we kind of got a little deep on uh some topics so i didn't get a chance to ask you jordan how are you doing how how is your week uh weird okay odd um i'm i'm it's very weird being back yeah not in the sense that the the it's bad at all it's it's amazing like everything is so much easier when you when you're around people and it's warmer and you have some like establishment and feel like there's a future that's more than you know the four to six month leases i've been taking on and they're moving right they're moving no literally building out the space has been really nice um living with

ethan is great uh we get along well um it's a good roommate we've enjoyed both furnishing it because he was he's been like kind of an equally temporary, like when am I moving? Right. But at the same time, I'm not past the fear of Visa stuff falling apart again. Yeah. Because it was my number one fear for years. It happened. And it was so much worse than I ever imagined.

Yeah. Just so much. Just hilariously. And then the only couple fears I had above that happened while I was away. And being back now is almost like, it's like a clarification. I'm like, oh, I really was this much happier. I really, it really was that miserable. I really went from an eight to a minus 50.

And that possibility being there and my, you know, every day is my visa ticking down and anything could go wrong. Right. So that's always there. But every time I feel that, I tend to feel it at 2 a.m. Yeah. Because that kind of stuff and things with my mom are the only things I really dream about. So I wake up from a little gap, grab a glass of water and that's the thing that's on my mind then with all that anxiety I wake up and I pop my head meds

take your normal pills I take my freaking normal pills um that's what the mask is then I am a little anxious I'm like can I get out of the house as am I am a little anxious. I'm like, can I get out of the house? Am I going to be funny or able to talk today? Am I going to do the part? I'm a big poo-poo. But I know like intellectually it always goes well. Yeah. And I always have a good time when we hang out or when I get up. And, you know, I saw the dog, like Ethan's dog this morning.

Came to some fuss. Had a good chat with Ethan. It's so freeing that's the best thing about being back is being manually dragged out of spiraling yeah and you know the the it's choking me up so i'm gonna have to be careful but i i'm gonna look like the sad boys logo. Yeah. It's just fucking crazy. It's really fucking crazy. I also living with the dog is so sick.

Oh yeah. Running sick. What a cutie pie. Jeez. I mean, it's going to take time to like feel the security of the because i mean you know it's not until you've been in a place for like longer than you've been where you can be like oh this the worst scenario can't happen because it's we're a day past the like you know the four to six months stay you know what what I mean? And it's just like, yeah, I don't know.

There's just something so, even when I'm being a bit of an indoor kid and I'm frustrated with not getting things done or I'm behind on things and stuff like that. It's just so, even the possibility of going and seeing people or doing something after years of true, true isolation. Then I got, you know, I got a call this morning. I didn't really sleep. And then I got a call this morning that sucked.

I just got a call. My mom was like not doing well. And that's just always a knockoff. She'll be okay. Yeah. But that was just a weird way to wake up. For sure. And then coming and doing the show now, I'm just like, oh, I'm just comfortable again.

That's so, it's like nyquil yeah like man my throat hurts i feel like shit i got a headache and then no that's yeah yeah i feel better i'm a little tired but i feel better right i know thank you for asking no i mean i think that that's like to use the nyquil metaphor it's like there is you know it takes a long time to get over the sickness but you can like medicate and you can do the things that like help you you know stay on the mend for as long as for uh to like shorten that recovery time and i think you're doing those things like you're investing in your space you're seeing people you know dress for the job you want kind of thing like i get anxious about the furnishing and the expense of that and things

but then every time you know i didn't have a bed frame kind of thing. Like I get anxious about the furnishing and the expense of that and things. But then every time, you know, I didn't have a bed frame. So what's the point of buying a fucking bed frame? It's going to be gone in a minute. Then I ended up doing it and I ended up building it. And now I'm 1% less anxious about it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And finished the living room effectively a few days ago. And now I'm 5% less concerned about it. And I think I just need to keep doing that. I need to, it's like the dark souls boss. You've got to like, keep chipping away. I'm going to keep grinding it it. And I think I just need to keep doing that. I need to. It's like the dark souls boss.

You've got to like keep chipping away. I've got to keep grinding it out. I've got to generate some souls, upgrade my resilience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drinking your coffee. It's cold now, so you're good. Yeah, no, I mean, it's, I'm getting there. I, stuff like this especially feels like very concrete where it's like, okay, this is a,

this kind of setup and consistency is a dream we've had for a long time. And getting that rolling is, you know, it's literally physically tying. Right. We're going to be sat on a couch doing this a lot. And that's comforting. Yeah. No. Better every day. Yeah. Every, every frame of painting.

Every frame of painting smarter every day. How are you man? What's the skinny? I'm good. I think. Don't fucking cry. I have this problem where there's just so many things going on that I like, like it's overwhelming. And I do stuff like things are getting done, but there's things like, um, like I'm doing a bunch of re furnishing of my apartment. Like, cause when I moved in, I just had all this stuff from my apartment and, uh, things just went in places and I didn't give much thought to that. And I didn't give much thought to like making the space like my own. It was alsopandemic so you weren't setting it up for socializing or having people around or yeah and just like and it's like i'm basically i'm getting like a lot of things are improving in my life that had been really rough the past couple of years and like socializing and like sort of like the feeling of isolation and you know even

motivation with work and stuff but there's obviously like a lot that I'm still, I'm still working on. Got therapy after this. You still doing that? They haven't fixed you yet? Yeah, I know. It's, you know. Lazy. Well, in due time.

I'm the, I've been getting like unreasonably annoyed at a lot of things. And it's like, like completely like tanks my mood sometimes and it's the worst. But, uh, I'm also starting like a new treatment next week for depression stuff without going into like any specifics, but I'm optimistic about that. But also,

Oh, we touched on that. I think, I think you mentioned it to me. Also like, it's a medication to not be such a big baby. Yeah. It's my normal pills.

Yeah. I've been exercising and working out a lot because I'm, you know. Yeah, we announced the creator clash. So I'm fighting a fight. I'm boxing. Dude, I've been wanting to tell people for. 75 days. Six months or whatever. Yeah yeah because before i got the

place here i was i was staying with you for like six weeks and i got to witness kind of firsthand the six days a week yeah they were all morning at the time yeah so i would i would you know not get up mad late i get up at like 9 30 or 10 and uh like hey what's going on and you be boxing or just got back and No, literally. Yeah, I remember. How long have you been training? I mean, okay. So it's technically been since like July,

but it started pretty light. You know what I mean? Started pretty light here and there, like a couple of days a week. And then like, it's gotten up to like five days a week now, like boxing. And then like, you know, theoretically more than that, um, doing other stuff like at home, like I've been running a lot recently. Um, and that's been, that's been really good, but it's kind of like, I'm doing like two a days, a little bit where I'm doing a run or something at home and then I'm going in

and boxing. Do you feel, I mean, and then I'm sparring a lot as well. I would assume it has, but like, is the exercise in general been really good for your mental state? I would say so. It's also like tiring. I think that for the first while I just wanted to sleep. I remember the first time, the first like boxing session, I just went home and like, I took a nap and I, and I don't, thank God I don't feel like that all the time anymore. Cause I would never get anything done, but I am still tired a lot. And, um, that sucks, but I've tried to fiddle with my schedule so a lot of the week now I'm boxing in the evenings which has its own challenges like me not wanting to get out of bed or get off the couch or whatever go in but it is better for like my productivity during the day

because going into boxing at like also the gym opens at like 9 30 which is a little bit later than I would want to be doing it so like by the the time I get home, it's like lunchtime and I feel like I've lost some productivity hours and stuff. So. Well, we talked about it, your preference is kind of 10 AM to early afternoon workspace time. Yeah. That's like, I feel like if I could choose and just like the schedules don't work out for like the gym or like my coach and stuff, but I would prefer to get up at like seven or something like that and do boxing then, and then finish and have a day. Um, but my closest alternative is doing what I'm doing now, which is like the evenings. Um, so yeah, uh, it's been, it's been really rewarding. It's been definitely tough. I think I'm not the best creator to be doing this because I don't think I'm going to turn most of'm mostly doing it for personal reasons. Um, just to like prove that I

can. And also I was not in a really great, I was, you know, in a pretty rough rut. Um, and I think I have been for the past couple of years, but I was, I, I want, I agreed to do it cause I wanted to like shake myself out of something, um, and just give myself something like crazy to do to like just, I don't know, feel a sense of accomplishment, try something new, maybe shake up my routines and stuff. I had to get new routines, had to change my diet, have to like reprioritize a lot of things. And I'm really proud of myself for almost everything. But one, one challenge has definitely been like body image stuff. And like, I haven't been eating as well as I'm supposed to. And that's been tough because I put on all this weight during the pandemic because I was just like playing RuneScape and eating like Dave's hot chicken all the time.

And I haven't like- A type of Zen state. Yeah, it is a Zen state in its own right. But it is a sort of, I had like lost a bunch of weight in my early twenties and I had kept the weight off for years and I had this big fear and this is like rooted in, you know, like self fat phobia, you know, but also like, uh, not feeling like I am myself and stuff. So, so where like my big fear, once I like lost all this weight and it, you know, it was going from, you know, technically obese to just like a normal weight, even though I don't think BMI is like, I think BMI is really problematic and doesn't account for a ton of things. So it's not like you, it's not like

really something I should be basing anything on. But at that point in my life, I was. Well, it's something that's measurable at all. Yeah, exactly. So I like, I lost all this weight and I felt good in my body. And I got this like surgery for my chest and stuff. Cause I had some stuff going on, going on there with some like tissue, hard tissue stuff. And I, I felt, so I got a boob job and then I felt good in my body. And then, then like pandemic stuff happened. And I think one of my biggest fears was having that stuff like revert to back the way it was before I started like getting healthier.

And I think part of the worry of that, right. Especially when you're isolated and become everybody's more self-conscious is reverting in any direction. Exactly. You've lost, it could be physical, could be emotional, but just feeling like you've lost the progress that you put in over X amount of time. Oh, exactly. And you remember how much work it was. Exactly. And so that's kind of how I, how I felt. And I think that one thing about the last couple of years is, is the last year, especially as I've become a lot more comfortable in my own skin, regardless of, um, like my body weight and stuff like that. Um, and that's good. And that's like

a, definitely a good thing to carry with me. I do still like want to, I still have goals, like body goals, I guess, because I like know where I feel the most comfortable. And I know how I feel in my clothes and how, you know what I mean? Like there's just like stuff. And I don't want to invalidate anyone's journey or hopefully I'm not like purporting any sort of toxic sort of like body ideals or anything like that, but everyone's journey is personal. And I think I've, I've gained a lot more acceptance of myself, which has been really, really healthy. And I think I've become a lot more active, which has been helpful for my mental health.

You should be extremely proud. Yeah. Mic bump. Hey. Is that fun to edit? Yeah. Bonk. But it's been good.

I think my whole vibe is I don't, I've never been like a big showboaty type. And so the whole thing with like the, you know, beefing with your opponent and stuff like that is not really my, my style. And so my opponent will like tweet that they're going to obliterate me. And then I'm like, cool. Sounds good. I'll see you there. I think you, no, I reckon, I mean, honestly, I'm working really hard to make sure not yeah i think my thing is like i would rather surprise people than over promise and under deliver you know what i mean so i'm just gonna do my best and then see it's also fun in its own way right to be a little

safe self-effacing and oh for sure it's definitely more my speed yeah um and so i i think that it's fun contrast too yeah aaron to be going out and you, it's gotten, it's got, but I mean, Aaron's like been nothing but polite, like, you know,

in general. And like, obviously it's just like for fun and for a show and stuff, but he better win. Cause it's the second time at it. So yeah, that's right. Last time he fought Harley,

he was like much bigger than he is. So like, I don't know what you're supposed to do with that. So kudos to do with that. I want to fight Michael Reeves. Kudos to him. Yeah. Kudos to him for putting himself out there. But he's got a year of training on me.

So I mean, I'm doing what I can with what I can. You're the beast. What can I say? Yeah. You are jacked now, which is tight. Yeah, we'll see i i i feel i think what's really been exciting to me lately if i can do a little geek out about a fitness thing is i got a heart rate monitor for you know like you can have an apple watch and stuff and do heart rate but i can't do that while i'm boxing

because i have like wraps and stuff that go over it so i got a heart rate monitor for my chest that i just like strapped and um um, and I have an app and stuff like that. And it's funny that for a second, I was like, well, I guess you can do that on your heart while boxing. Yeah. So it's just a little fabric strap that goes around your chest. And there's like a little piece that's got the technology in it. The nice thing about it is that I realized that I over exert my body and then it causes me to gas out more quickly. And so being aware of that, I can like build my endurance easier. So I got it for running so that I can keep my heart rate at a certain level. And that allows me to run for longer but also allows me

to like expand my aerobic base and like increase my endurance ultimately and that's the goal so that's a that's similar to how like bmi is a toxic thing to measure as as is weight as is you know outside the practical reasons for catching weight in the case of athletics right yeah yeah you do have to have a weight goal it's nice to have a healthy measurable yeah to look yeah literally it's just like as if you overwork your heart you're just like gonna die no but like um it's just like bad for you you know what i mean to like bad for aaron to kill you well you know when people are like um oh and i exercise my like heart rate goes up really high it's like okay we'll, we'll slow down. Like don't overdo it. Cause that's like the message to, to myself. It's like, I now have a metric that tells me that I'm trying to go too hard. I'm getting ahead of myself and I need to just like slow it down and sort of accept the fact that I can't handle, you know, running at this speed that used to be my comfortable running speed back when I used to run more regularly. It's like, I've got to get my heart

ready for that again. I've got to get my body ready for that again. And it's, it's a, it's progress. But I think that the nice thing is that I used to, like, I used to run a lot more. So if I ever get into the aerobic shape that I was in back then, then I'll be much better at managing that and like building on that and doing so in a healthy way and not straining my body. Maybe he's doing the show soon. Maybe we can talk about it then. Eddie has ran every single day for a couple of years with no exception. Yeah. When he is, he's had like the flu and he's gone for a short run years. Yeah. With no exception.

Yeah. When he is, he's had like the flu and he's gone for a short run. Flu game. Every major holiday. Yeah. Same days he like flies for six hours. Yeah. It's really, it's really impressive his commitment to it.

It's just such a, it's like, it's like a religious doctrine, man. Yeah. It's wild. I mean, me and gaming out. I remember like, yeah, it's just like whenever we're hanging out or like he would call me about something and then he's like, all right, I got to go run. And I'm like, yeah, you do. I've got my prayers. Yeah.

He's like, I got to go run and then I'm going to eat or something. And I was like, yeah, awesome. And I aspire to be on that. I was running. I ran for an hour yesterday, which is is insane but it was broken up into two like 30 minute things at opposite ends of the day uh do you ever cycle you ever rode a bike kind of stuff um i have ridden a bike in the past i had a bike in san francisco yeah used to commute with it but i sold it when i moved down here i I, about to get mine because same, I used to,

San Francisco. Yeah. Buy it. We, I'm getting mine fixed up right now because it was just sitting in storage for so long. If you do nab one, there's a bunch of really nice bike spots.

I mean, across the Northeast side, East side, mid city. Yeah. Arts district too. Oh, nice.

We should go, go up the park, go nuts. Yeah. It sounds fun. Put, nice. We should go, go up the park, go nuts. Yeah. That sounds fun. Put, put some lav mics on, try doing the podcast.

Bike boys. Going uphill and mountain bikes. Yeah. Who will die first? That is a thing with, with running is like the conversation test. Like you're supposed to run at a pace where you can have a conversation and I'm like, no shot.

What are you talking about? It's a, yeah, you're supposed to bike at a speed where you can do a podcast. Yeah. That's what, that's what I heard. That's a Joe Rogan does it while doing jujitsu. Um, but overall that's how I've been. Um, there's a lot of stuff that's like sort of rough around the edges right now, but overall we're trending in a good direction. you're gonna keep up uh i mean obviously not six days a week boxing hours a day but like post-match is there a uh parts of this running i definitely want to keep running because i used to run and i've always wanted to be a person who runs so a coward yeah like for yeah running from things is primarily the exercise that i want

um i i do like the idea of boxing for exercise i do not think i will fight again after this just because i don't want that much head trauma i'm like i think i can spare i think i can spare getting knocked around uh this once but afterward you can't do computer science anymore that's gone yeah exactly if we just stop here yeah i i don't think i'm gonna jake paul myself you know yeah make great content yeah become the best businessman in the land yeah what's wrong i'm more of a logan oh yeah i cheat yeah that's deal i I cheat in steel. Allegedly, but he did. You hire criminals. That is crazy to me that Logan Paul, like he outed that one guy that worked with him as a felon who like did a crime like 20 years in the past

and then had it expunged from the record. So no one knows how Logan found out out that he was like it was so like like it's not something that you can just look up so he must have paid like a private investigator or something yeah especially since he was like uh he's like coffeezilla you didn't know this and i'm like well that's just i don't know whether or not coffees are discovered there but that's ethical journalism yeah because it's like well you're allowed to be a criminal and then not do more crime yeah it's do the crime do the time he's as much a criminal as you are yeah he's done the same number of public crimes yeah like literally it's such a weird it was such a weird thing because the whole world view of that and i understand logan paul has since apologized and said that you know he was kind of in the the sort of heat of the competition and

i don't know how he described it but whatever the fact that like his brain went former criminal equals untrustworthy and bad is like everything that's wrong with like the american cars world system right it's like meant to it's meant to rehabilitate people or at least that's the hope and uh it's like it's like denying somewhat somebody the chance at that rehabilitation is like dragging um the like literally something that like the statute of limitations is like you know out on shout outs dude i mean at least the designs for that for crypto zoo were really cool oh yeah the best one not at all i loved this some of the scariest things i've ever seen in my life um what if a spider had a face and a job it was an elephant as well human tea yeah literally

um we paid we paid somebody to phot Photoshop the most horrific things in the human mind can imagine. It was like a parody. It's like, look at all this trashy NFT art. Why would somebody buy this? And you're like, oh, you want to see trashy? Yeah. What if a dog also was like a bird?

It is also funny now. The wings are in its eyes. In retrospect, the, the phrase, I love the art in response to NFTs is, is almost like a dog whistle for like, you're full of shit. Um, nigga, fuck keemstar i'm sick of this oh shit you do not get to do a face turn and it be like some lipstick performative bullshit you're like trans rights thumbs up yeah say nothing else i don't know what the deal was with that i it's i don't even have a team star here on the new dude yeah i mean he just sucks in general like i feel like it's a well documented just sucks and this is maybe the most annoying he's like

been out i'm not interested in his thing you know once somebody reaches a huge number of once somebody's cultivated like a huge number of, once somebody's cultivated like a huge number of followings, but gets no engagement on social media, I'm always like, your fate has already done it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like we're all ignoring you, actively ignoring you. It's like, I'm going to retire and give drama to someone else and no one wanted it.

Literally, why? I'm not here to bully that. I just, it devalues people willing to rehabilitate or grow when you use like the aesthetics of rehabilitation. Oh, right. Like it's a, but it's a prank, bro. Yeah. It's, it's, he's like reset his brand and did like a co-stream of Keffels and, and you know, nothing against Keffels. It's just, that is part of the thing that got that got him this face turn he's trying to do.

I'm just like, Triple H, you don't get to make a face turn. After all these years, what you did to Shawn Michaels. Because it's not earnest is what you're getting at. Not at all. I only know some of the superficial elements, so I don't really know what's going on behind the scenes. Emphasis on superficial. That is the approach.

I really wanted to mention it in contrast because I'm not a easy, I'm not going easy on people with large platforms or influence. You do have to do more than just be like, it's the equivalent of JK Rowling being like, Hermione's fucking black, dude. Stop shouting at me. Sorry I called that guy like negroly bolt chain so before we wrap up today i wanted to show you something funny that i found something that i'm kind of obsessed with um in in a small way and it's related to ai and specifically it's it combines um some of the things we've heard about on the internet about, you know, the text to, you know, like an AI generating a story, but also some of the like vocal AI, like audio deep faking technology where you can like, I don't know if you've seen it on some people's like Twitch alerts.

They'll be like, hey, it's critical. Thanks for subscribing or whatever like um i'm deep in the goku giving you positive feedback tiktok loop right right right exactly hey it's me don't give up when you don't see improvement right away yeah so that i think it's the best use i think of this type of technology that could very easily be used for evil and it has, and will continue to be used for evil. But this is like a harmless thing that brings me joy, which is the meme of Eminem doing things.

AI version. Yeah, no, the, the, like the YouTube videos where it's Eminem, Eminem buys a used car. Yeah.

Did I say anyone that was uh eminem as a second century warlord oh i have that one actually queued up have you watched it yeah dude that was so good because there there there has been a like growing continuity of the lore hey this one's called own a musket for home defense I don't know. I love it. Dude, without the progress of technology, we would never get to hear Eminem say, Tally-ho, lads. Tally-ho, lads. Reps galleons as well.

What a time to be alive. And then Eminem buys a car. Wait, Eminem goes out to buy milk is iconic. So there I was, clownish girl, and I realized, shit, I was all the milk, the band was wet. Boy, he was all the milk.

Anyway, that was just a weird aside. i do think that the musket for home defense one is perfect i like i think we should have it as literally like the closing track yeah sorry why so one time um all right well that about wraps it up for me at least i gotta go to therapy uh Can I come? I've got feedback. For who? First of all, therapist, hurry up, mate. Hurry up. We've been waiting long enough. You're not doing it fast enough.

Take a little progress. I want to give a shout out, actually, pen pals, writing segment. Yeah. We didn't get to it today, but we tend to. What I want to give is a little call to action to the pen pals folks. If anybody has a weird, awkward interaction, that's going to be my pitch this week.

If you have any cringy, awkward interactions, send those in because I think we can all relate to social anxiety. And I think it's a fun way to maybe play around a little bit. I mean, I, I eat in my car instead of this is where I'm safe and no one can see me. Oh,

I mean, no, please leave a comment. Yeah. Yeah. Let me know. Or that guy, you know,

the, the emotions like this. Oh yeah. Yeah. You can also leave that if you're undecided on if that's okay, what Jarvis did. Right. But yeah,

reach out. Sadboyspod at gmail.com. True. That's it. Yeah. Also look out for more stuff from us. We're trying to do more things and we're enlisting the help of other human beings

to help us do the things. So thanks to Jacob for producing this episode. Well, we end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry. Boom. Boom.