Sad Boyz - New N-Word White Lady Just Dropped (w/ Ify Nwadiwe & Brian David Gilbert)

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I said it very angry today. I'm Jarvis. And today we're joined by, um, actually, we're joined by two very special guests. Our friends, Ify Wadiwe and Brian David Gibler. Hello, fellas. I know exactly who you thought about. I know exactly. We're going to be talking a lot about magic today.

Jordan is not going to speak for the entire time. I was going to make a joke. I was going to make a joke about this. And you know when you combine words in your head. Anyway, this is Brian Kibler now. Brian Kibler. Hi, nice to meet you. Also, which is funny because when you had your longer hair, you kind of had like a Kibler thing going.

Now you cut it. But it looks good. But shout out Brian Kibler. We played Hearthstone back in the day. He doesn't know it. We like played each other on Legend Ladder. We added each other back. I would sometimes message him and say,

hey man, I like your streams. Beautiful. I'll connect y'all because you should definitely do Commander at home. Oh yeah, I'm down. Okay, so anyway, before we get into the magic talk. How's everybody doing? How are you guys doing?

Yeah, I'm doing really well. Mostly because of Magic the Gathering. I hate to bring it right back to it. We have all collectively joined a cult. It was fast, I think. It was everything I needed. Because as soon as I did it, everyone was coming in. Because I remember the timing

of it all because I went to PAX East and my friend Anika Sela, I was playing with their deck and they were like, this one's not as good as this one. And then I beat, I was like, oh yeah, no, no, this is your good one. It's just more complicated because they're newer to magic. And then I got the bug and then Brian. Well, I made fun of Ify because that was the thing is I went to PAX with him. I was there for a single day and like, I am not great at conventions, but Ify is, Ify lives for the convention lifestyle.

And so like following him around the entire time and watching him get upsold like five different times on magic stuff where he's like i think i'm just gonna buy this commander deck and he's like well i you know i should get a playmat too and also if i'm thinking about it i really do need some more dice for whatever you need you spent i watched you drop like 100 to 200 bucks before we had our like packs thing and i came home and i was like karen you'll never believe it like i watched if he spent so much money on this guy and at that same time karen was like, Karen, you'll never believe it. Like I watched it. He spent so much money on this. And at that same time, Karen was like, well, they do have Lord of the Rings decks and that's all Karen needs to get into something.

And she was like, if I buy the commander decks, will you play with me? And I was like, maybe I'll think about it. It's a classic adult nerd dilemma where really we can pretend it's not fun to bully people. It's a little bit fun, but also we like the thing. You're into Warhammer. Yes. And that shit's weird

to me. Don't worry. The time will come because I will have multiple Well, you say that. I said that about Magic, but I'm saying it about Warhammer. I mean it about Warhammer. You do know there's a Lord of the Rings Warhammer I know, but I'm not telling Karen about it. She's not lord of the rings war hammer i know but i'm not

telling karen about it she's not allowed to watch this we bleep that out yeah we scramble it and the frequency karen can't hear yeah i just started finding models oh okay see it's it's brian and i were i mean it is it's your birthright yeah yeah it true. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny. Cause I was, yeah, that and when, um, cause Rahul Kohli is, Oh yeah. Shout out. And like,

yeah, I, I realized cause I've read a few of the books now, how like, I was like, Oh, this is like a very British game. Like this is their shit.

Yeah. It's fantasy to imagine that we could be as jacked as a space Marine. Yeah. Yeah. That's what the English likes to think it is. That's why it's all why it's just a lot of british people going like and then we put ourself in an engine and set ourselves on fire because

it's what we deserve but it's pretty cool yes brian and i were in the aisle of a card shop last week and like the warhammer section going can you believe people this is ridiculous. We cavil. Yeah, are you kidding me? But it's so funny because it's brian specifically is just so close like that cheeto holding a door closed because like like gundam building to painting minute or you building it is close. I do love gun. Well, yeah, I do love that. Here's the thing. I know I'm very close to the thing is, I'm like I'm within spitting distance, which is why I have to keep a heart. Like, look, I accept that I've gotten really into magic.

It's taken a month to be like fully obsessed. I'm going to put a weird like, you know, goal with us and I'm actually to where I can force you to do it. It's like, okay, but if we, if we do get the international, I'm actually tour, you gotta, you gotta paint minis with me we want you to have be dizzy from the lead paint that we force you to use you know what's funny is i have also built gundams but i've never painted them you've never done the lines no because i well this is just because uh i was in japan and i bought uh i bought a model and I built the model,

but then I was also sad that I didn't paint it because I was like, oh, it's just like purple. Well, it's so funny because painting always seems so daunting to me. And now I'm like, ooh, I do need to go back and build some gunpla and paint it. But I have such a huge backlog that it's keeping's keeping me yeah i have a backlog on everything on my real life that's why errands that's why i think i like magic so much because it's easy to just like pop and go like i'm ready to play but with warhammer like i was talking to my buddy jeremy

he's like yeah we're in that old world tournament i was like oh i haven't even opened that box so i'm like speed painting all these bretonian knights that's a lot more effort and i i appreciate that that's like a fun thing to do on your own like the thing that i think that really sold me on magic was not just that i love deck building and like it's been years and years i was saying that like the reason it got me so into it was that i had all the genetic precursors to it it just hadn't expressed itself until i was in the right environment and like the fact that i can just like play with karen at night like we could just play magic together just the two of us yeah as opposed to once again having another hobby that isolates me in a dark room to paint my little miniatures like that's the hard part for warhammer to me is that it's not it does cut any like i don't need

anything else to stop me from socializing i'm very capable of doing that on my own, I don't need anything else to stop me from socializing. I'm very capable of doing that on my own. I don't need anything else. Magic forces me to socialize. And that's a good thing. We've invented a new type of beer. Oh, no, I'm good, please. I'm fine. That was going to say, that was what got me back into it.

Because when I was, like, a kid, I used to go to Pokemon events and Yu-Gi-Oh events. And then when I was in high school, I would do magic drafts and things like that. And so I also had all the genetic precursors and all the like muscle memory and everything. And then I just stopped because I didn't have anyone around me to play with.

And I was just like focusing on my other like little things. And because I already, one, knew how to play magic, two, like was just waiting for a bunch of people to be like let's oh commander being a four-person game where you could just hang out with your friends yes socialize was such an easy like on ramp back into it um but i do think i only want to play commander with friends yes because i don't know what y'all's experience has been with like going to events but sometimes you play against people who are not fun to play. Oh yeah. I think there is a, I mean, that's the thing about like fighting games historically

has been my hyper focus on release because I like figuring out the meta along with everybody else. But then ever since I left San Francisco, which is where the majority of that community was, since Mike won for that, it has only become like picking up the basics and then going in the rank and that is very unsatisfying because not only are you just going to be bad but you're not getting feedback and it's never a tense situation where you're close enough you're just way worse and or way better but it also lacks the

immediate gratification of opening the booster pack yeah or even i was in my marvel snap bag for a little while uh the connection is you know i played a lot of hearthstone that was like my more in the 2010s i was doing that and then the developer the lead game designer of hearthstone who's also a magic player ben brode moved over to uh moved over to create second Dinner. Second Dinner made Marvel Snap. Ben Brode has been on Brian Kibler's Commander at Home. Everything is connected. Brian David Gibler. Brian David Gibler.

And I also, genetic predisposition, I played Magicathon as a kid. But then I moved to college. No one else played. Tried going to a local tawny type environment. Nobody has the accessibility or willingness to teach, learn, and play. I will say that that was like, as soon as I was like a week after we got into Magic,

I was like, okay, I want to go to a pre-release event. I was like telling that to Karen. Karen, I think, told you. You told Ify. We all ended up at the same pre-release. It was like a fun thing where we all like arrived. It was like, oh, everyone's here. It like gave me a dopamine explosion that I never thought I would have. Whereas like,

Oh, simplistic because there didn't need to be a big organizational thing because we are all friends who have this like common interest. Yeah. We ended up at the same place and got to enjoy each other's company. Friends and friendly people and good vibes are the ingredients that you need. Because for example, I'll shout out Rachel Weeks. Oh, yes.

Who sat next to me at the event, who some of you guys know. Oh, yeah. And we just followed each other, just mutual friends. And then I went 2-1 at my next pre-release, and I was really excited about it. I posted my – I should have gone should have gone 30 but it's fine uh i uh uh i posted my deck list and then she like responded fire emoji and i was like yeah i'm like trying to build she's like this deck list looks good and i was like thank you you know what i mean and i was like that kind of encouragement like it's very meaningful to me oh yeah in contrast uh i went to uh event i went to an event last night because I can't stop.

Can't stop, won't stop. And I played against a guy who was nice in the sort of set phrases of politeness where it's like, oh, no problem, whatever. But then as I was untapping my cards, he would untap them for me. Oh, that's it? What the hell are you doing?

He would fix my things. And I was just like hey i'm gonna fix the board state give me a second like i'm just i'm tired it's like 11 p.m because this event started late yeah that is bad i know well it's also i feel like that's i literally i scooped i was like hey you know what and he was also playing a really grindy deck. And I just played a really, really like good match with somebody, but it went to draw like, and it was so long and grindy. And that guy was a gym of a person really pleasant to play with.

And then I went to this and I was like, you know what? I'm just going to scoop. Cause I'm here to have fun. And this is harshing my vibe. And then I got matched up with my friend Ari, who I went with and uh i was having fun again so yeah and i was like oh right okay just some i just need to like not let certain

people like ruin my mood oh yeah it's very like so what's been funny about you know coming back into magic and coming back into the like magic creator space too is like as someone who does a bunch of things and who's like known from a lot of things like if someone's like oh i know you from smosh or oh i know you like i remember when i first started used to be like well i do tv stuff and now i'm just like no you find me where you find me right the only time i've started correcting people was like when people were like oh you're getting into magic i was like no i played since high school yeah i was like and and like not even played since high school like a lot the show that i did for magic predates a lot of magic shows.

So on geek and sundry, we had a show called, um, there, there was the spell slingers, which was the YouTube one. But on this Twitch stream, we did Mulligan and that's how I met Brian Kibler.

That's how I met a lot of channel fireball. Yeah, I know. I really, I really screwed the, but yeah, I met so many people and then I got real into it. I went to my first Grand

Prix and then I was kind of like in the mix playing it. I met like a lot of good friends, but then like as I just got busy and didn't have many people to play with, it really kind of started waning, but one of the things that may really kind of harsh

it was people who are like that and I know that it like it comes with the territory specifically the type of game it is, you know, but you know, I there was one instance where a guy like I like when I did Grand Prix Vegas

is in the Las Vegas Convention Center, which will all see at Magic on I'm so sure I'm going to go to end up there. That's October. That's in Vegas. We Convention Center, which we'll all see at Magic Con. I'm so sure. Oh, I'm going to go to Magic Con now. That's happening. That's in October. That's in Vegas. We are going to talk off air. Don't worry.

But it was huge, and it took me probably, I'd say, if I'm being generous to this guy, I'm going to say 10 minutes because I think 15 minutes is a DQ. But it definitely was not that long. And I sit down, and he goes, oh, you're disqualified. You took too long. Mind you, I'm looking around seeing people getting to their seats and all this. And he's like, no, you took too long. You can't play. And I was like, what do you mean? He calls judge over and the judge is so confused. He was like, no, he's fine. We play. I went first round.

He went second round, third round. This was, and funny enough was for um modern masters oh i want to say 2015 yeah 2014 2015 yeah 2014 2015 either way big um it was it was big worm couldn't stop it pull the no ring and i was like oh finally and i was like wait i'm not playing white turns out when he o-ring me the previous round it shuffled in and the judge was very quickly like double dq you have not enough cards you have an unauthorized card era which is so funny because i was like if you didn't call that judge over i would have just been like oh my bad you win and

scooped but because you wanted to be an asshole yeah i'll bring us both down yeah yeah well no i didn't even he brought judge yeah the judge i didn't get to say anything the judge immediately and i was like oh yeah because the judge was pissed at you because you were being a yeah and he was like i shouldn't have took this match and we all just looked at this match yeah and so later in the planes good call when you lose anything well here's i shouldn't have took this match yeah i know

i should have never tried ever at divorce court took this match with this game. You'll get to the point where there's so many people who are so confident they have the best deck and it's not even like in the farthest reaches just early on. They're so sure that they have the best deck that when they start to lose, they stop like considering the game and start trying to win in meta ways. That's like, oh, this is wrong. This is you're disqualified for this and i was like you're never gonna make it past day one if that's what you're if you're already day one trying to tweak the the outside of the game that deck's not going anywhere buddy i think being a good hang is the first uh casualty of any hobby for a lot of people yeah they're like they can't

make it a hybrid of something you still do for fun or at the very least find the fun in whatever level you are at. And in some cases, we have friends that content creation that they're sated by but are still making professionally. You know a podcast they've been for a bunch of years

and they're sick of doing and they hate the co-hosts but it's like they're now socially obliged. Sorry, were could be that? Unrelated. That was all Gibbs. But I respect those of

them that can separate themselves from the meta for the purposes of work and then indulge in like, hey, we're having a night at my house. But it is a craft. And I will say that on the the whole in general magic players are cool and nice in the same way in every hobby most people are cool and nice it's just you remember the bad ones so much more it's

the same thing where it's like you know the the people who are like i can't play this fighting game anymore because this woman's boobs are smaller now and it's like those people are not everyone that is that is a very specific subset and they suck and everyone in the copy knows that they suck it's the same thing with magic I know I did the boob size change effector her box is the real question you know we're kind of referencing it

but that's what's been so interesting about like a lot of the like gamer gate to stellar blade weirdos going on the guy who made the Firefall bus, you know, like all like a young shadow hot mod. Yeah. Yeah. He'd like, you know, all

this stuff happens and you're online and it seems like the biggest thing. It's ready to go. Perfect queen. So old. The way you are but Jordan got me this yeah you know I can't take a 50 year

old man who uses a like anime lowly version of himself as a V tube seriously but you know it's you're when you're online and you're you're on Twitter it seems like it's like that's the zeitgeist and then you like step outside. You go to like a

game stop or something like I challenge everyone who like kind of feels overwhelming. Go to the game stop and ask someone what they think about stellar blade and they're like, I don't know. Yeah, is that is that always bayonetter in this bayonetter. What happened to bayonetter

bayonetter? I love the king of the hill reboot getting really into weeb stuff. Oh, wait, hold on. I feel like a I's gonna make that happen tomorrow. We all are in the room. I've been watching myself a little bit of mecca. Yeah, Bobby doesn't even have one waifu. That's really good. Yeah, better catch yourself. Well, partner, you better catch yourself and touch some grass. I'll tell you what I can't do it anymore. We have me and my friends.

You say I'll tell you what over and over again and hang kill boys. Dang old to the stars. Spiral to the heavens. I'll know the hearthstone. So we've prepared. We'll move on from the magic moment, but we'll probably come back. Oh, that's I would actually be a great show. on from the magic moment uh but it'll probably come back oh that's that would actually be a great show yeah the magic moment this magic moment you license it you use all your budget on that yeah yeah um you guys could do the show and i won't get back into magic

and i'll be off mic and i can yell like what yeah yeah i'm i'm dragging you into magic hand and fist i do have a amazon cart of like which one should i get that i'll show you into magic hand and fist. I do have an Amazon cart of like, which one should I get that I'll show you after this. Oh yeah. And I am going to, so I want to host like, like Karen and I were like two minds about this, where we want to like host for beginners to just teach people.

I know you already know like how to play in general. I played so little commander. I might as well play. I would say that like, would say that what's funny is I will probably only play Commander with friends because it has some... The social dynamics of it extend beyond the game

because there's also an issue of the power level of decks. And so when people play competitive, they really want to win. And then what I've heard is that people, like I met some really nice people at the event last night. And one of them, after we played, he was like, you know, sometimes you play against someone

and you're like, that was a really pleasant person to play against. And he said that about me and I was like, great. And then his buddy was telling me about how they go to some Commander Knights in public events and people will lie about the power level of their decks. Oh yeah, this is a six out of ten or whatever and then they'll be like turn one, but also to me like that's

been the new thing where I'm like like for most things I've been able to like zip back in, but when people like gauge parallel, I'm like, how are you gauging that? Yeah, but I but I am proud of the scouted because like yeah it's power level six but my cards are worth seven thousand dollars yeah oh my god yeah we were talking about competitive edh and stuff and i like i said my friend who i've just been uh barking at about

like because i was like you need us you need us box buyers to buy those singles you know but but yeah i think to just to your point i think it's more of a um i i like it as like a social it's like a board game yes yeah yeah and i have some bad fucking board game nights where the oh yeah the alchemy of it is just wrong well any party or hang like yeah and it gets real fun when you get those super multiplayer ones like i've done matches with five people oh yeah you can go up to like five, six and it's still like fun. You'd think it break it, but I think it makes like those commander specific cards where it's like you draw as many cards as you have opponents like shit.

Like that gets crazy in a fun way. The reason that there can be commander play series on YouTube that like get hundreds of thousands of views, like, you know, commander at home or shuffle up and play that the prop professor does is, um, because when you get the right personalities and it's basically just like a podcast where people are like making jokes and like, like making fun of their situation or like playfully doing the politicking of like, Oh, well I think this, I think if he's got, you're like, what do you mean? I simply have a few lands down. It's like, we know your little combo shit.

If you're like that type of- I've run D&D campaigns, at least for people that have never played before, the under handful, and it's like, I was not in charge of the structure of the group and who was involved. It can universally be people I get along very well with

or even very close to, and are all close to one another and it's wrong yeah and if i were to take one or two of those people trade them out for three strangers they don't even know but just happen to fit them yeah take the surplus do the same it would work and it's just trial and error and i'm forming a band yeah they've got one of the dyes i just want to point out that um i think at least three times we have said and we're going to move on from magic real quick and then have gone right back into magic

when you're thinking about it turn two in magic where you draw a card you play with your cards and you play magic for additional turns there's like a beep right back and it comes back. We have long facial hair. But okay,

so I we prepared two two little stories today that kind of match the sensibilities and personalities of each of our guests. So for if there's a new white woman saying the end where I was really worried that you were going to say this one was as our resident white guy here who loves to say the end

one right like no one clip that that's a yeah, there's a lot of content. Yeah Brian Trump. He's pretty cool. Huh? Yeah. For Brian, a second white woman has said it. It's where it's at. Would you guys burn? Just for the, I mean,

the audio listeners can't tell, but you can take the MAGA hat off. I'm sorry. I will. It reveals a second MAGA. Yeah. Um, yeah,

this woman. Oh yeah. Is so like, it gets scary out there. Should we jump into one? Jacob, take your, take your pick. Dealer's choice dealer's choice um yeah let's get her saying the n-word let's let's see the master at work because it's so funny oh yeah actually actually before we go to this one because this is the where she says the n-word right no i think it is yeah it is oh my god okay because i remember i

was i didn't know what the hubbub was about. I was looking, I was like, Oh, who's this little trad wife, Maddie. That's right. It wasn't if he's a honey. He was like, I watched it with the sound off. I don't see anything wrong with this. I don't know why everyone's mad at beautiful people.

Yeah. This is just like what my life's like. Go ahead. Oh no. Unquote tweet this. Yeah. Put the sound on. Put the sound on. Turn the sound on.

Timestamp. Okay, this time I have a beef with the male community. I give my criticisms to all because we are all about equity and inclusion here, right? We should think about what she's making. So I'm sick and tired of all girls getting blamed or like guys, certain guys thinking that all girls are gold diggers. I don't know if it's because you get your information from. Oh, my God. That's a lot of garlic. At 3 a.m.

Outside of a nightclub. You're getting the opinion of some dumb whores and immigrants fresh off the boat looking for a green card. Extra, extra. Yes. By the way, I only saw the clip that we're getting to. It's so bad even before we get there. This has a kind of, the pacing is great. The escalation at play.

It's like these stupid girls, who by the way, I mean stupid bitches. And they're whores by the way as well. Yeah, I was originally going to make the joke. I'll be like, when she was like, I'm just calling out the male community. And I was like, oh, is that what you're calling it? And then I was like, oh no, you literally do call out immigrants. And then immediately say the N word. She's like tickling the boundary.

You know, if you watch like one of those YouTube freestylers like Harry Mac and they'll just like be like doing this immaculate freestyle weaving every word and then someone's throwing another word out there and they just work it into the freestyle. That's what I feel like she's doing with like the just list of grievances. Someone

has the cue cards up with all of the most inflammatory word immigrants. I also acknowledge werants. Say something about this one. I also acknowledge we're all men talking about this, so, you know, just... Listen up. Alright, so let's let the woman speak. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, let's see what she has to say.

Immigrants, fresh off the boat, looking for a green card. Yes, they are probably gold diggers, but that's the exception. I'm the rule. Everybody I know who's married right now they're married to broke ass niggas whoa can we go to a second before because you can see her gassing herself also what is okay wait but also that's not how that phrase works. Like the exception, I'm the rule. I'm the rule. What do you mean you're the rule?

I am the one who knocks. Yeah, that's not. That is, yeah. First off, I mean, there's a lot of things going on. I specifically take issue with this one. It's actually incredible that this is such a weird, convoluted two minutes. Yeah. Her saying the N-word is like the fourth most interesting part of it.

But also what's so interesting about it to me is you know we often talk about how white people shouldn't say nigga or uh any version of the n word and the i think the proof here is how bad it fumbles out of her mouth right like nigga like what did she say broke ass yeah yeah yeah i was like yeah she's not comfortable yeah it seems like she's reading like the like like reading off of the lyric.com yeah yeah clips of aiden ross just trying to use as much ab as possible the english teacher teaching to kill a mockingbird and be like, we're going to read this out loud right now. It's okay. It's in a literary context.

And it's not going to be weird because we're all going to say it at the same time. Yeah, wait. So you hear it. A child hears them chanting it. Let's just call him Jim. Let's stick with that. She went for the kickflip. She landed it.

It was sloppy. And now how does she ride away? The lean in Let's stick with that. She went for the kickflip. She landed it. It was sloppy. It was sloppy. And now how does she ride away? The lean in for that. And they don't get it. They're married too. And then she's like, all right, I'm going to let you.

I know what I said. I'm going to crack some pepper here. God. That truly is the teleports behind you moment. He's like, who am I to? No need. I know. She used a double grip stroke of the.

I feel like that's the magic trick to make us forget. He just swallows an eggplant. Yeah. There's too much moving things. It's like when you watch someone juggling on a unicycle. Yeah. And like breathing fire or whatever. Yeah. But also to keep track for this chicken, I'm assuming hot sauce,

olive oil, a shit ton of garlic, all of the garlic powder. Yeah. Pepper, of course. Yeah. And they say white people don't season black pepper. Yeah. Yeah. So what's the problem here?

Yeah. Also, there seems to be a bunch of just empty green bottles behind her. It seems like she's at one of those L.A. rental places. Like a pier space. Oh, yeah. She's at a WeWork. Spilled for an Airbnb. Yeah.

Couldn't care less about your fucking money. Okay. My type is broke mechanics and surfer hippie dudes who just want to live in a shack and surf and have babies all i ask of a man is that you're competent you're um you're not a pussy and you're not black into our house yeah yeah it's truly like she chose the like whitest, the whitest versions of like quote unquote blue collar. It's like a la soul cal native. Nothing about you would attract a surfer.

Like there's not a like broke mechanic for sure. You're you're a mechanics like you. They have you above their locker like that, but like, you know, like and you're brave enough to say they have you above their locker you know like that's but like you know like and you're brave enough to say what they never could yeah this is wild it's funny she's a veteran coded i feel like that would be more yes yes yes what's funny is i don't i like use the n-word extremely sparingly because i'm like this if i'm using it it has to add to something and this is it's just so unnecessarily thrown in there oh yeah because value because like if like honestly

and this is going to be the wildest thing i might say this whole episode it would make more sense if she was saying like all of her friends are married to bloke broke black dudes because there's no reason to use the royal nigga because I am a strong proponent of the royal nigga where like I'm calling like you know my nigga Brian, you know, you know, the fat checker nigga, you know, like

that that makes sense. Yeah, look, could you be more specific? Oh, no, I know which are you talking about? Yeah, but like this one is just do say it about one of them. this is like a very specific version of like white person who grew up rich and has only been about around white people and is like well let me just try saying this because none of you are going to call me out on yes and so let me just give it a shot it's like i want to be goth so it's the first day i wear eyeliner i'm like i wonder if anyone's well it's so funny because it feels like after you said that, as if she heard the song gold digger and thought like broke niggas,

like is, that's the whole title of it. It's like, it's like when someone isn't making money, they're a broke niggas. Yeah. If you don't make money, you're a broke niggas.

And it was like, no, no, it was like a seminar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like,

it was like, you know, you have, you have, you know, rich dad, poor dad, broke niggas.

But what's interesting is that. I feel like he is saying she's a gold digger. Can I just say, in that song, it really seems like Kanye thinks. Yeah, I think he's... No, no, it's like, you don't have to be rich. You just can't be a broke nigga. Yeah, that makes sense. You've got to be a surfer dude.

Yeah, yeah, well, her point, you know, it's so funny because now I see the point is that she's like, no, we're not after money. We're, you know, everything. Everyone I know is married to someone who doesn't have that much money. I, for example, like I'm the rule. I would like a mechanic or a surfer, but like everything that is pictured is not a mechanic or surfer salary.

So one, you're lying about that uh two like yeah the only fault she's outlining there is being black yeah because if you don't she doesn't care about the financial part apparently yeah so yeah all that's left the thing is like this will what you were saying where it's like speed running to go into alt right commentator right like that's this is the way you do it which is like uh become a parent for some reason have just enough that like the super conservative people will be like but she said it in a positive way and it's like no but she should have never said it that's the problem right yeah and then everyone shares like you know rappers bringing up a white person who says it in their song and there's all this well it's funny because everyone i think one i think that the like uh gold

that is like being a right wing talking head isn't as you know rich as it is because you know a bunch of people was like she got fired for a job i was like well who cares now she's going to be a i was like no uh it's like i think this is this gonna be she's gonna be a one-naked wonder uh we'll see this as someone who watches weird yes like engagement bait tiktok all the time this has all of the elements of every other engagement bait tiktok yes but it's like a race to the bottom where there's only so much weird cooking the bottom where there's only so much weird cooking you can do there's only so much like it like almost doesn't it's like weird that i'm projecting all this stuff but everything about it feels very calculated oh no i think you're

right i think you she hit on all of the like like the big thing that got her shared is that she set the n-word right but she is hitting all of their talking points before we even get there so you're right it really does feel like a pitch for this and i think that the grift is real we know it and i just think it's not as like rich as people play it up to me but i think that there is a element to it because this is so very well shot this isn't like actually oddly insecure in a lot of ways yeah there's uh the it feels like front poaching to highlight a lot of dog whistle points like immigrants to be like and like it's a bunch of you know like i'm like you guys i like old i just like

all the same stuff and and then you know yeah do you like me is everybody yeah well no it's very pick me where it's like we don't even want you to have money but it is the same thing of like i uh me i'm i'm not materialistic the only materialistic people i know are immigrants who come here specifically to marry the rich people and they're gonna marry your husband it's like no hide your kids hide your wife like it's very clearly has all of the underpinnings where it's like, I know what you're trying to say. And most people wouldn't go out and straight up say the N word. And now I'm clarified. I know, yeah, you're right.

This is exactly what you were trying to do. That is the only rule she's an exception to is saying the N word. Yeah. That's a, is it that what she said? I'm not the exception, I'm the rule. I'm the rule. I'm the rule. It's such a funny line.

Yeah. Wait, Jacob. So she responded to this. She posts a response. Oh, boy. Oh, great. Have y'all seen this one? Because it's great.

Well, look, it's like you said, step two, wearing the American flag. Yep. By the way, prepare for the most telegraphed video of all time. Can I get the. Oh, no. So wait, is it in New York City at the top? Yeah, it does. That telegraphed video of all time. Can I get the... Oh, no. Wait, does it say New York City at the top? Yeah, it does. That's the state flag of New York.

Yeah, the state flag of New York. New York. Great. City of angels. So a recent video of mine seems to have upset members of a certain community. And it... The broke community. Being broke, yeah.

All the backlash just really made me, you you know just really do a deep dive like do a soul search and after all that i still couldn't find a care you're gonna call us racist you're gonna call us potential timothy mcveigh's fuck you Fuck you. War. I mean, oh. Wow. I didn't know about this part. Wow. It's like they died in Call of Duty.

The first time. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I mean, this is such base level stuff of like the people who are like, oh i can say this because it's free speech and it's like yeah and we could call you a fucking idiot yeah i think that's like it's so wild how horny people are for the constitution that just do not understand do not understand the grasp of it worse like it's my first amendment right yes you can say that and you won't go to jail for it. That doesn't mean we,

you're not protected from consequences. You're not, you're, you're not protected from like societal norms with your, you know, first amendment free speech. You can also have a gun, but it doesn't mean you can do everything with it.

Yeah. Well, also, I mean like, here's the thing is like, yeah, you're the reason you're able to have a gun is so that you can have this militia, you know, like who was's the thing. It was like, yeah, the reason you're able to have a gun is so that you can have this militia, you know, like.

Who was the guy in that clip, by the way? I have no idea who that person was. I don't know. It looked like that one British dude who. Tread lightly. Oh, I know who you're thinking of. The one who's the British Tucker Carlson, basically. B.S. Morgan?

Yeah. He kind of looks like Pierce. But what's fun is that if you go back to the way he pursed his lips it he turned his mouth into a rectangle yeah oh wow wait just wait till he like um you there whoa wow perfect yeah the thing is i was gonna look at this and i was and uh forgive me to this actor but i was like he kind of looks like the dad from paddington but then again that's how every british man over the age of 50 looks was like, he kind of looks like the dad from Paddington. But then again, that's how every British man over the age of 50 looks.

So it is just kind of how it is. I mean, he's kind of like Charlie cook. The face to head proportion. Oh yeah. I know a lot of like right. He's carrying resources in his mouth. Yeah. I don't even know if like any of this. Oh no. I was just saying a lot of right wing talking has a big ass forehead.

I don't even know if this guy's in context. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, because who knows? Is this Larry Flint? Is that who the quote is from? No, Larry Flint was an old. Yeah.

Let me do a little Googling for that before I say. See that checker is what I'm. Yeah, this guy, but also like he truly like that was the most uncharismatic. Like I, I hate to say this, but there are way more charismatic right wing talking heads. I could have like, he was the founder of hustler magazine.

What? Oh, maybe. Oh, that's so CNN. Larry Flint, founder of hustler magazine dies at 78. I wonder if like,

that's so funny because I wonder if his, you know, free speech was talking about like the freedom of like having like porn and stuff like that. Yeah. And something that you are actively against. Now you're quoting him. That's so funny because no one does. They don't do the research, right?

They never do. They see the quote and they're like, oh, I don't need to learn what this person was about. It's like when Martin Luther King quotes get misappropriated. It's also, I think there's like a flat association of the term offensive the word offensive oh yeah with a specific ideology and audience getting offended not like honestly the sentiment of the quote saying that like if there's one thing what is it one thing that defines free speech is that it could be free speech for offensive speech yeah because you're not offending anyone you don't deserve to be protected. I guess it's the most I guess it's true or at least

interesting, but it doesn't mean a demographic being offended. It just means anyone. Yeah, the point because if you change another power structure at play somebody else. Also the protection should be against power. Yeah,

right. Like yeah, yeah, lateral being able to criticize the king and not die. Exactly. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. That's basically what it's built for, but they, you know,

they, they have a weird understanding of power. Was it him? Right. Oh yeah. Of course it's. Oh, of course.

So yeah, this, this, I mean, confirms the fact that it's like, if she ended that in, she's, she's aiming for this, which is now the thing is I I do. I don't love the fact

that like there are people who are going to just again jump straight to this where it's like I'm going to show myself maybe in three videos and then I'm going to drop my fourth one where I say the n word and then I'm going to be able to be on whatever bright part great content strategy can we find out the cause of death for bright fart um got him uh i like that he did die ronald reagan heart attack yeah well you know i love it because a lot of like and this isn't even like a joke but like uh like i've noticed a lot of these like bigoted tiny heads are dying of

heart attack and i was like damn it is like racism is bad for your head is corrupting yeah well they said he had a large heart so he just loved too much just like the grinch that's why they have huge heads big brain yes this last one jacob uh pulled just for us yeah so she did end up getting fired from her job. And then she was like, oh, I don't care because I don't want to work for someone who is yeah, whatever. I just noticed, sorry to interrupt, on that

previous, that second one, did she say, and I just can't find a care? Yeah, I just can't find a care. That's not any phrase. I just don't give a care. Well, it's so funny too because someone who just fumbled out the N-word, who's just so

afraid of just saying, like, fuck. It's weird to jump all the way there and be like, it's actually interesting to see what barriers she has in place. Haven't heard her say a regular I guess ass is the only other curse word I've heard her say. I don guess ass is the only other curse word i've heard her say like broke people in the old day crap yeah so all those nerds in high school like

the weird theater kids and the anime people and you know anybody dude that's why i knew i got clipped was immediately being infuriated by the way she said anime anime that's gonna be like that's my daughter's name brother there's like that jay-z lyric where he's saying anime but i thought he was saying anime and i was like jay-z weeb confirmed oh yeah we're exactly the same and i was disappointed yeah you know who i'm talking about the people we didn't hang out with so they've grown up now and they're the ones making the laws they're the mark zucker laws. They're the Mark Zuckerbergs. They're the Fauci's of the world of fucking nerds. Oh,

that's true. She did say the F word. Oh yeah. Yeah. There we go. Sorry. That was great. I get it.

Like, it's again, it's another like virtue signal for that political ideology to go against Fauci. The lawmaker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I don't take it from you. I don't take it from a pretty person, especially one who says the N word. It feels like the internal monologue of like a mean girl in high school. Yeah. Like where they're like finally, they're like, finally,

I can stuff these nerds into lockers like they belong hey tiktok audience that's extremely online and angry do you remember nerds yeah people different from you the people who had the people who uh had it like niche interests we should kill them fucking dorks that never got laid in high school and they've got a major chip on their shoulder against the normies. That's why you see all these fat ass fucks making laws. Oh, you can be obese and anorexic. Okay, sure.

They're the ones inventing clown world. They're the ones- Wait a second. How do I get into the beta for clown world? How do I join the closed beta for clown world? Dude, I didn't know that was still in development the beta for clown world? How do I join the closed beta for clown world? Cause I am trying to get in. I did not know that was still in development. What is clown world?

Kickstarter project. What is he even referring to? I do think if Biden came out and was like, here's my running partner, we're going to make clown world. I think he would do better than what he's currently doing. If you did that and then there was just a video of him being really really i genuinely believe this being so good at karate i think it would he would win like a vladimir poon style propaganda

video or something yeah yeah it's it's so funny because like this is obviously someone just rambling off shit with no point like this, like it proves the like talking head thing, because like even the most shit head of the shittiest head, like right wing talking head, they have like you know an agenda. They know what they're and you're in this person is clearly just spouting of like what do you mean by they said you can be anorexic and obese at the same like? What do you mean? Like what is like fat guys like fauci yeah yeah mark zuckerberg but like i i genuinely i'm like what do you mean by that like what what what laws are you trying to attack by calling that out it's literally there's no focus to it because

how can i list as many like devices as many many whistle dog whistles. Exactly. It's possible, but not even like real dog whistles though. But these are like tech talk based ones. Like it was like, Oh, I know all the girly pops are mad about like, you know, body shaming.

So I'm going to talk about anorexic and obesity. Like it really is like, yeah, this person is trying to get conservative dollars, which is so funny because the one thing Daily Wire is really good at is finding the perfect balance between ideology and presentability. Like she is not charismatic enough or tactful enough.

Ben Shapiro is a smart guy as far as what he says. That's the funny thing about it is like, you're doing all this. You're like burning up like your world because you think that you're going to get a call from Ben Shapiro like, hey, how's it going? I saw you say the N word horny. I want to see if we

should do like conservative talking point bingo and see if actors, you wonder why actors are so politically leftist. Oh, right right it's because they're loser theater kids she really hates theater kids i just like like it's so funny when you think about that where it's like loser theater kids i and i wish like jason momo would knock on her doors like hey yeah i'm looking at this woman and i'm thinking looks like somebody didn't get the main part. No, looks like somebody.

I'm looking at this woman. I'm thinking, oh, it looks like you were always cast as the grandma in your show because you didn't quite have the range for it. Yeah, dance very well. Oh,

you were a tree. Sorry about that. Everyone else is stupid in our nerd. This has the energy of someone who was popular in their high school, but was like the one who was getting shit on by regina george like you were not yeah you're not a leader if you take away like the political aesthetics because that's all it really is yeah aesthetics if you remove that she could honestly just be talking about how frustrating it is that even though my grades were

perfect oh yeah being hot because if you are raised thinking it's a meritocracy and then you're not rewarded for what you think is merit, then your brain breaks unless you're able to learn and develop and like, if you can learn and develop, you're probably going to change your mind. And I think the reason we see this in whiteness often is because I think

if, like you said, if you were raised like that and you're white, you believe the system works for you in so long. When you're a you were raised like that and you're white you believe the system works for you in so long where when you're a person of color that that that is showed very early you know you just think it's like all fortune like you like you as a growing up as a black person especially me who wanted to be an actor and do things i was like oh i must succeed in spite of the system so i never am expecting it to work for me and every road bump that comes my way i was like oh i must succeed in spite of the system so i never am expecting it to work for me and every road bump that comes my way i'm like yep that's part of it let's kind of

find a way around it but if you look like this and i'm we're assuming that she's always she always has but like if she's always grown up as a pretty white woman in wherever the fuck she lives she was told her whole life like everything's going to be rolled out free everything's going to go good uh you're always going to get the best husband you're always going to go this could be any number of things this could simply be her kind of ugly friend having a hotter husband than her you know like anything right the grievances like yeah because because our brain the way our brains work there's no like extremity like like for her it could feel as extreme like her you know i'll say it her feelings are valid yeah it doesn't mean that they are factual oh yeah but like it should be retained

or shouldn't be retained or shouldn't be challenged but like those feelings are probably real that she's feeling or it's a performance and i never want to give somebody uh one thing i don't like about on the internet is um when are like, oh, it's bait. So ignore it. But it doesn't matter if it's bait because it's still getting tons of views. And not a majority of people are seeing it that way. Not to bring this back to Magic the Gathering,

but I will right now, is that the thing I've found in life is that I did not get into magic ironically, but I could have imagined a time in my life when I would have, right? But the thing about doing anything ironically, if you're making rage bait, if you're doing any of this,

is that you have to be comfortable knowing that you could get into it for real. That is always the case. Like every time you're like, oh, I'm gonna unironically, or I'll just ironically say slay all the time. You're gonna start saying slay all the time and you're not gonna be anymore. And time and you're not going to be anymore.

And so if you're ever going to choose something to do ironically, make sure it is a nice kind thing to do. Because if you're going to try to be like this, oh, I'm just doing it ironically. It's just satire that I'm saying the N word. No, no, no. You are going to fall into a hole where you're like,

well, it's anyone should be able to say the N word. Anyone should be able to do this. And it just gets worse. I'm not wrong. Everyone else is. You're so right. There was someone at the theater um ucb who i feel like started off as like a right-wing personality ironically on a podcast and now that's who he is and it was very funny like he i remember it was it bubbled up into some big thing where his fans were attacking a show I was on because there was beef with

like the podcast they were on blew up and it was a whole thing. And someone like the person that I knew kind of cut out a very specific part of the podcast to like make them look even worse, which, you know, like seeing the full one i'd like because here's and i think here's the thing is i like i will always like i'm not gonna i don't need to fake the funk like i will be like oh no you're right about that like if i'm debating some right wing person and they present a like verifiable fact that that refutes something i believe i'll be like yeah you're right about that and then i will have a new stance based on that information right and so like um i was just like i don't know what you're talking about this is why they're not fucking with him and um and they should post it the whole thing i was like damn you're right this did get cut to make him look

worse and they like all because i was seeing on the reddit they were they were going because they i one of them finally slipped up and like said something racist and i retweeted it and i was like this is what i'm talking about and then they deleted it and then i saw they were all conspiring on the reddit about like these conversations they were like oh he like saw the video and changed the state see that's why we need to not be like and someone was basically trying to be like this is why we shouldn't be assholes about it. We should give people the benefit of doubt. And I was like, yeah, you're, you're, you're like taking steps to being a normal human. And these people are fighting you on it because it's like, but it's like, yeah, dude,

it's like, that is true. But also my favorite part was when he came in and he was like, that was your friend. And I was like, dude, I was your friend. I was your friend. I was like, why don't you tell all the like racist talking heads that you were really close with the black dude, that you were friends with me. Yeah. And he just stopped replying to me. I was like, that's crazy.

Because like, no matter what is happening now, we were homies. We, I, we would do shows. We would hang out and laugh and talk and you are now refusing to acknowledge that yeah even lightly because you know your fan base is racist because even though it may have started ironically you know the fan base you have and i think we see this a lot with youtubers where people are afraid to condemn things that they know pay their bills right exactly they don't under i mean this is an issue in general but i don't think people understand the power and uh agency you

get from a sincere apology i think people view that only as a sign of weakness that will pull you back as opposed to honestly a clear apology is i think very effective i think you're right but i do think if we're talking about in the age of in internet what makes it hard is that sometimes apologies can be a moving goal post and it's why you have to completely remove like if you are at the point where you know you have to give an apology you need to just do it and log off don't go looking for everything oh yeah every day because even if you're right externally yeah even if you're right and even if you're being completely genuine no matter what people are going to be like you're just saying this to save your ass you need to like be like whatever and just move on because that has created this like gray area where no

one wants to apologize because they're like well what's the use of apologizing if i'm still going to be the bad guy and you know i was reading the this book on anarchy the anarcho-blackness and it was talking about it was like a few chapters in which i was like oh i think this is a side of activism that no one really thinks about where they're like hey in activism if we're trying to build this like you know mutual aid society if we're trying to move forward you're going to have to forgive the guy who was a cop yesterday today right because it's like because if he has nowhere to go why would he give up being who he was i i worry about people like this where it's like it's so easy to and and i i want to make this clear if i was friends with this person and then they posted this video and i was unaware of this i

would also immediately distance myself from them and this is going to be incredibly isolating for this woman oh yeah and and then there's going to be a bunch of people with open arms welcoming exactly and so of course you're going to want to belong to a community that says you're right right and i'm and i'm frictionlessly with no like adaptation yeah the polarization of the causes from social media and i'm like i'm very grateful that i am surrounded by people who would be like hey brian that fucking sucks what you said right there please change it and then i also am grateful that I trust them and I love them enough that I would, right? Where I'm like, this is something that I should do

because this goes both ways, right? Where you tell me something bad and I fix it. And then I tell you when you do something bad and you fix it. And we both become better as a result. Because you're willing to listen and you're willing to be wrong. Yes. And it's like, I think that if you're, I don't know,

I'm not a psychologist, but sometimes it feels like people are too confirmed in their beliefs where they don't feel like there's, you know, any way that they feel infallible and they don't, I'm going to write an essay about and never get around to, but I think let me Google that for you was the downfall of like internet, social, like contract. Because when, when, when people started hitting, everyone would let me Google that for you.

You were basically sending the message of, you should not say anything online unless you're an expert about it. And with Google, you can be an expert. And, you know, looking at it from back then that's when google was a little more verifiable that's when like you know you could

be sure but now in this day and age of misinformation where people you can look you can try and look up something to refute facts you can try and look up like people aren't taking ethics classes so they don't know that if you're looking up statistics about police brutality and shootings, that they should question FBI numbers or that they should question survey numbers are not as objective. Yeah, exactly. Think because those numbers have to be presented. Yes.

In an editorial fashion. And that editorialism creates a narrative. And humans are not very well stimulated by unarticulated numbers like even if you want to present evidence how big is a billion how big is a million you know none of it makes sense kind of take walk somebody through the steps of like almost like you're manually massaging the neurons in their brain where you say like well here's the number i'm presenting now with that information yeah here is a, I'm going to, I'm going to push the bike a little bit so that you don't get scared sitting on it for a little while. Because if you're too scared to start pedaling, all you're going to say is the bike doesn't, the bike actually

is bad. The bike doesn't work. And whoever invented bikes is mean to me. Right. Yeah. It's, it is a, it's a hard thing where like, you know, I don't think that the people who are around this person and anyone who is like this, I don't think that the people who are around this person and anyone who is like this i don't think they have an obligation to fix them but i do think that there is a point where if someone were to come up to me a friend of mine and be like hey i hate immigrants right is that a bad thing if i could immediately be like there's there's ways that you can be like this is an obvious you are doing a bad faith argument you are doing things just to rile me up like those don't interact with those people especially if you are not

interested in them at all but if you are like with a person and they happen to be the kind of rich white person who says the n-word when they're not around black people be like hey don't ever say that again please don't ever say that again and if you start saying it in this community that we are in where we can tell you hey don't say the n-word And if you start saying it in this community that we are in where we can tell you, hey, don't say the N word because that's a dumb fucking thing to do. If you continue to, if I don't stop you at that point, you're going to build the habit

and then you're going to say it elsewhere. And if you don't want to adapt to that request on my part and well, even calling it a request is pretty charitable. If you don't want to abide by that or at least take that on board, then understand. And also are going to demonize me for distancing myself. Well, then this is not a friendship.

Well, that's what I'm going to say. I'm a utility to you. Yeah. About like, you know, you were like, you know,

it's not anyone's job to, I'm like, well, if you're friends, you are, I think we've gotten real comfortable with being very disposable with like people where it's like, yeah, no, it's friendship is work. Any relationship is work. And you, you, you don't like, you know, cause I feel like we've overused therapy speak.

And it was like, well, I don't, I don't want to be your therapist. It's like, bro, letting your friend vent. Isn't being that they're doing your emotional labor. Exactly. It's like, what is the, what is the labor here? Like here like we're friends there should be a there's an exchange yeah you know i could i get it if it's like every time this person speaks to you they are expecting you to hear them like you don't then then not but there's like if there's equity then there shouldn't be a problem here you your friend should be able to come and if it's not working for you obviously you're not

required to be friends with people yes but like if like for example okay well one thing i'll say is it is very scary to give feedback to someone yes not a lot of people get experience with that and you're afraid of conflict you don't want to you know start a fight but people about it doing it phrasing it is very difficult phrasing is very difficult but i'll give everybody here a tip for for life which is that giving feedback is one of the nicest things you can do for someone because because it is so hard to do yes because it takes thought and care and consideration it is very much like finding something at a thrift shop and going oh jordan would like this let me like give it give it to my giving to my friend and somebody reacting

poorly to your feedback if you are as considerate of it as possible as you can be if you have a good dynamic with someone and there is established trust the overthinking it and over preparing it shouldn't be the deciding factor of whether or not someone that you think respects you listens to you yes granted try and be as precise and pragmatic as possible. But if someone gets really mad at you, then it was not your responsibility to better phrase the piece of feedback. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like going through a breakup. It's like, would you rather I dated you and didn't like you? What is the thing you want? I recently was in a situation where a good friend was involved with something that I needed to give them some difficult feedback. Like, hey, I need to let you know how this looks. And I had to talk to like mutual friends, hype myself up about it. Hey, I'm thinking of giving some feedback about this thing and it's, I don't want to do it, but like I value this friendship and they need to know, they need

to hear it from me because I know it's going to land better than if you just hear it from outsiders. And then it's like, I finally did it. And of course it was like received well and it was fine. And it was like, you know, thanks for holding me accountable. Um, and, and like, that is, you're kind of like, whoo, I was worried that, you know, this relationship I value would be challenged by this, but it creates trust that you're going to hold your friends accountable. You know? Yeah. I mean, I, you know, um, there's been many, uh, experiences that I've had like that where even more so I was like where they've been, I've had people who've been like publicly held accountable for things. And, you know, I think the knee jerk thing for a lot of people

is just like, I'm gonna just stop talking to you in distance. And I never do that. I always contact them first. I'll ask them about what happened. And you'd be surprised how many people would be like, yeah, I do. And at that point, it's like, well, I need to let you know this is why we can't. It's been close enough to where it's like, well, this is why we're not working together anymore because of X, Y, Z. And then it's been somewhere, maybe if we don't have a working relationship, it's like, well, this is what you're going through. This is, I wouldn't

know how to navigate that, but this is what I think the steps you should take. Because I think a lot of times people get so concerned with putting out the fire when it's like, no, you need to be talking to those people and you need to get the retribution for those people because no matter what people are going to think what they think but if you can get the people involved to feel like that has been resolved and you have made amends then nothing else matters i think a lot about when um dan harman got called out for you know being like a shithead in the writer's room. And he did the work of like, and treating Megan Gantz in a certain way.

Yes. And did the work with her with the certain way it was like harassment. There's a whole thing. They, there's a back and forth. They, yes, he,

he apologized. She responded. I believe she accepted. And she accepted. And, and, and from that, this is many years back.

So I don't want to like relitigate this. Yeah. But like, yeah. So just know some things might be wrong because we're just like kind of briefly talking about it. But there was like the moment of after that and people would be like, oh, hey, this, this, this happened. And people were able to be like, well, Megan Gantz said she's and Megan Gantz, I think, did say like, hey, we talked about it. We worked it out.

I feel good. And that doesn't mean that that doesn't like affect. Yes. You know, whether or not people want to work with him, be his friend or whatever, but it's helpful for Megan Gantz to like have their, their piece. You'll always hold onto a cavity in yourself.

If you go the easy route of like sanding down the friction of up, not just apologizing, but even just seeking growth and development. It's very unpleasant. It's very unpleasant. It's getting back into cardio after a year of not doing it. But if you only hang out with people that say that, actually, you don't have to do cardio.

That's actually bullshit. You all know a little bit you do, and you're always going to have a nagging doubt, and it's going to prohibit you from actually getting, you're going to have this membrane between you and the people you're trying to connect to because it's going to be built in a foundation of like being kind of disingenuine i i've had just like you're saying as we all have friends with public platforms that have uh at various yeah levels of severity but you know in all cases i just it's cutting them

off is a term that i think has been co-opted as like, oh, that's just an excuse for still hanging out with people. And it's like, no, no, it's just the result could still be the same a little later on, but let's resolve it. And let's also, you know, selfishly, I would like as much insight as possible from that person to be either an advocate or a critique from the outside when people ask me about it and i don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that but if they then say like they indicate no personal growth and refuse me feedback but that's like okay well we we just can't get back where we yeah i think also the parasocial aspect because like we're talking about a bunch

of people who have platforms and things that get canceled. Right. And that, and I think that there it's, it's very hard sometimes to understand that parasocial relationships and actual social relationships have different rules to them. And so it's like, yes, if I'm parasocially, if I love this guy, and then it turns out that this dude has a bunch of racist viewpoints and

then doesn't change in whatever, I'm not going to watch this guy anymore. And I'm also not going to try to reach out to him and try to get him to change. Cause he doesn't know me. It doesn't change and whatever, I'm not gonna watch this guy anymore. And I'm also not gonna try to reach out to him and try to get him to change, because he doesn't know me. It doesn't matter, right? And the thing- And it soured the enjoyment of,

it's just a Let's Play channel, but it's in the way. And you're gonna find another Minecraft YouTuber. There are plenty out there, right? Like it's not a hard thing to do and that's fine. But- Only 40% of them have done something I hate. Exactly.

There's, you know, it's harder to find, but you can find them. They do exist. But the, the thing I think that especially parasocial relationships have made difficult for people is that you have to respond to these things differently where it's like, yes,

it's okay for you to see someone with a platform and be like, I'm not going to watch or interact with this person anymore. That is totally fine. And in certain cases with an actual friend, you can have that same thing. If they are doing heinous stuff, you can be like i'm not going to watch or interact with this person anymore that is totally fine and in certain cases with an actual friend you can have that same thing if they are doing heinous stuff i am cutting off and i'm not going to interact with them anymore that's fine but parasocial relationships the reason i think a lot of people love them is because or you know you don't even realize it's not a conscious thing that you're like i'm a big fan of having parasocial relationships you just have them it's because it gives you the same hits.

It gives you the same serotonin. It gives you all of the joy of socializing, and it takes away all of the hard work. All the risk, all the work. And so it's like when I hang out with Ify, and I absolutely smoke him with my red-green deck, and he doesn't want to talk to me anymore, I have to come up and be like,

hey, I'm sorry about that. I promise to not play Eldrazi with you ever again. But like that's- Because you can't handle it. Exactly, and that's fine. And that's good, but it's not going to be like, oh, he had a bad reaction to me. I'm never not play Eldrazi with you ever again. But like that's fine. And like, and that's good, but it's not going to be like,

oh, he had a bad reaction to me. I'm never going to talk to if he ever again. So on top of that, there is also the difference between public relationships and collaborations. Yes. Private friendships. So it's like if,

because it, and how that's perceived in a parasocial way, because if you're lifelong friends with someone and then they have a public scandal, let's say, depending on the severity of the scandal, there is a degree of rehabilitation and learning and growth that that person has to have with the people closest to them. And it may just so happen

that some of the people closest to them are people who also just so happen that some of the people closest to them are people who also have platforms. Now, those people may not be collaborating anymore, but to excommunicate them from their friendship is kind of isolating. And I think you're allowed to make a personal decision about what you want to do as a friend. It puts me on edge as well a little bit.

Whether this is practical or not, there's a friend. It puts me on edge as well a little bit. Whether this is like practical or not, there's something that just principally makes me very uncomfortable about cutting someone out. And I don't know how to be, oh, I don't like the feeling of considering my brand and PR optics over a person I know, whether someone I like. In a private relationship.

Yes. It just feels icky. And I think that's enough of a good reason to pursue it at least tactfully. Like if your little brother gets canceled. Yes, yeah. It's like, are you excommunicating your little brother from your family?

Well, are you canceling him in real life? It's like, it's your little brother. Yeah, I think it was perfectly hit on with like the parasocial, where it's like you have the benefit of that cut off and I think a lot of people don't realize that there are real relationships

at play. Like I think of a lot of times when we I post a picture of us at a party, something was like, whoa, you know, Brian and Jarvis over episode. Yeah, it was like, oh, no, we're actually guys know each other, but you know, I think it's the element of like there. There is that last thing that like, we're actually... Of course you guys know each other. But, you know, I think it's the element of like, there is that last thing that like,

if we were trying to really, you know, do this thing of like fixing and rehabilitation and like really kind of resolving things, you do want them to have a support group to help them push them along and keep them held accountable. I feel that as a part of my responsibility as yeah it's you because i think that that is the other thing that people don't talk about is like when even when you're not involved if it's someone who you might have worked with or someone who you're friends with when they do something you do kind of feel a

little guilty because you're like oh damn i kind of like you know i you may know about this person because of me and now you feel this way so it's like oh then i do want to make sure that they're doing i do want to call and be like hey man so how you feeling all right did you are you going this have you talked to so and so have you done and once again like i said because we always feel like we need to do you know the severity because there is just never any nuance we want to take sound bites and drive in of course this it it's it's not a one size fits all approach. It's different reactions for different things. So I think, you know, giving folks the benefit of the doubt in conversations like these that we don't mean like if my friend murdered someone,

I was just like, hey, buddy, how you doing? Hope you're not murdering. Who's next? Yeah. So I mean like you want to go? It's like going back to this this woman like what is the best outcome? The best outcome is that people who are close to this person who disagree

can have some sort of impact like in opening their perspective. I don't have high hopes yeah but i also don't think you do have friends that are married to black people i think you're lying well because there's like you know there's an element of shame that would have to come with that if you did have friends when you do like you know when when people do these like brands you know like sometimes i i'll see this a video like this where they're doing it and they'll throw in like a and i know some of my friends you know and i was like oh that's the shame you know you know you're saying

some stuff that your friends don't agree with but they're also aware that like the way they present themselves and the brand that they want to maintain. You know, I don't have black friends. Obviously I don't. But if I can remove them, my 19th third degree cousin actually went on a date with a Moroccan guy. So I essentially am not in the game. Yeah. Yeah.

I think we cracked it. I think we, yeah, we've, we've solved this issue. Thank goodness for us. It is tough. I just want to say that like yeah there's there's also a certain point where like this is an adult woman she should know better right like we also can be very clear and be like don't fucking do that yeah i will say that there are definitely going to be like the edge lord like 14 15 year olds who are now doing things on the internet and they don't undersize the outsize ability of, of doing that kind of stuff online.

It is very difficult. Be careful of, about like just posting random edgelord shit on the internet. Uh, and also I want to say that like there, I'm sure you've all had this experience where you've like known people in high school and then been, and been like,

I did not get along with them. And then you've grown up and you've like met again and you've been like, holy shit, you're a mature, normal human being because you have had 15 years of experience outside of the time that i've worked with you and so i can't just think of you as that one dude who said something mean to me was right i think uh i don't we've obviously had uh dorky experiences in the past salt the earth content creators we're all jacked you get you know like we're you know i can also crush the watermelon with my thighs i'm just not in the past, salt of the earth content creators, we're all jacked. You get, you know, like we're, you know,

I can also crash the watermelon with my thighs. I'm just not in the mood. I'm actually busy, so I grow up. I think people at all ages, but especially in high school, any insulated environment and small towns, you can get so isolated that you don't really develop the emotional agility or social agility to be able to adapt very quickly in certain groups or

immediately recognize that the reaction that you're getting is because of what you said and not because of the demographic you're hanging out with. Right. And I think I, or with dorky backgrounds, I think I was a slight casualty of self-identifying as an outsider to whatever degree I was. And then growing up,

moving out of my relatively small area, moving to a city and then going like, oh, a lot of the nicest guys I know were on a football team. There is no- We all have our Sasuke moments, right? We all want to be the cool, moody guy and be like, oh, nobody understands me.

And actually, I put on a smile, but I'm sad. And it's like, you gotta... Everyone has to go through that moment. You're gonna come out the other side. And if you don't, please don't contact me. That's where it comes. The reason that people think I'm such an outsider, or at least I, by itself, identified,

is because I refuse to take my earphones out and stop listening to dragon. Exactly. It's on me. One of the goals of this show is like kind of because there are those like young people who like, it doesn't, I think one thing is that we know that there's a lot of kind of pipelines that

you can get caught into with algorithms and sort of the polarization of of the internet like one thing i try to at least do on the show is not a outwardly alienate people especially who are younger and like making mistakes and like because those people are the most malleable and if you can like welcome them in and expose them to like maybe a different perspective it can at least expand oh you're like uh exposure to different perspectives i don't know it's like easier said than done because on the internet you can see a thumbnail of something or you can see the outfit someone's wearing or the setup and just go immediate like we saw the american flag on her shirt and we were like we know know what this is. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And I think recording at night says a lot about a podcast. Recording at night in a penthouse ish looking environment or a WeWork style environment. And then it's a, on the far side of the panel is some guy with like, like Zane in that realm, a game attack style username who speaks to 30 women at the same

time that they paid on craigslist to like do you know what a car is you know like i have no idea and then looking directly to cameron saying you see you were right in whatever you felt and that's why where things like critical thinking for me is starting to become more important than ever because I feel like those are these videos that make people think like, oh, women are like this because you got 30 different women to do this. And it's like, well, no. It's a very small sample.

Yeah, I know. Scientifically, it just falls apart as soon as you try to publish it. It's not specifically significant at all. It's not peer-reviewed. The extraneous value is probably him choosing them. Yeah. Selection bias out the wazoo. Yeah, yeah, I know

it's it's it's very interesting just to kind of seed like that never be considered that never be thought of. But I think that's things that yet like from twelve to fifteen to like seventeen, you're not really being like, oh, this is like where where what is the motivation

behind this why is this because i think that is another thing where you know we've got everyone loves to i remember there was this video on instagram where this guy painted his face black so that he can be in the middle of the night and like scare his wife and people were basically like she's racist uh well everyone there was the just you know the camouflage the camouflage okay but like you know there was the discuss of if it was blackface and all this stuff and um but someone was like well also like you you your camera is perfectly set up right next to your wife as she's doing this to do this and i was like yeah i think that's the biggest thing here is like how well was this quote-unquote prank if like your wife had this running camera next to her and didn't think

anything of it because like it was it was yeah because it's like we know how like i think night vision would be shot if you were trying to hide it and it's not but then also i've seen that same video happen where they went with like a navy blue you know where and that didn't look like blackface because it was navy blue but it also disappeared you in the night it feels like i i think where ignorance is almost never a viable claim anymore it can be a lack of care or lack of interest in the topic and say like well no that's not something i value but there seems to be like the assumption that there's some kind of universal value set that if you are not morally right in the eyes of the people anyone criticizing you is just wrong about their moral stance as opposed to well you're gonna get criticized for this thing you knew you were yeah do not now have some do not die on this hill that

you never even cared about yeah oh yeah that's what you did but then you get more hits and views when you're looking for support than when you're actually creating right yeah so like it's almost it feels like a two-pronged attack where it's like okay i'll do this video and maybe it'll go viral but if people think i'm going in blackface and there's an argument in the comments now it's going viral because of it and then i could potentially later be like well uh as you can see the woke mom uh didn't want me to do these jicky jokes with my wife once Once again, the SJWs are criticizing me just because I did something. Be aware of the fact, sorry,

one final thing before we move on, but just the algorithms are really good at knowing when you click on anything. And if you click on rage bait, you're going to keep getting more rage stuff. And so of course you're going to confirm your own biases just because the algorithm wants to sell you more stuff.

And that is a very, very dangerous thing. It is an incredibly dangerous thing about the internet right now is that like, it's so much easier for me to make you angry and then to show you a picture of a cool jacket. And then you're going to buy a jacket, right?

Like that's exactly what they want to do to you. And so know that the more you see a thing, the more you're going to see that thing. So please choose that thing to be videos of wombats. Cause that's way better than anything. Our own worst. It's like the, um,

that test they do with children to see if they can like do delayed gratification where it's like you get one marshmallow right now. Or if you don't eat this marshmallow, you get two marshmallows later. Like we are so bad at not being our own worst enemies because uh your information diet instead of like your real food diet when you're a child and i'm gonna acquaint us the children here for this reason we as kids like we weren't in charge of what we ate, right? It's like, okay, this is my meal for today. And if I had my choice, I would just eat a bunch of candy.

And an algorithm is that candy. Because they have found, we are all children and the algorithm is like, I've got a bunch of Snickers bars. And you're like, ooh, a treat, ooh, a treat. Why do I feel so bad? You know what I mean? Who did this to me? And we know for over a decade now,

I can't remember the specifics, but Facebook either in some whistleblower thing or some study thing, they found that they could detect people's mood based on their feed and they could manipulate that. And there was a big controversy about it in like 2012.

And like, that is the playbook now that it like the algorithms are like, it's not as insidious from a, the people who are building it standpoint, they're not evil and they're trying to do this evil thing. Maybe someone somewhere, but like the actual, like people working these jobs and doing these things are just trying to do this evil thing, maybe someone somewhere, but like the actual, like people working these jobs and doing these things are just trying to maximize.

Yes. They're trying to make the numbers go up. They're trying to make the investors happy. They're trying to make more money. And the problem with that is the easiest way to maximize is this divisiveness is making you feel extreme emotion. And it makes you feel it's why 24 hour news cycles are all sensationalized it's like there was a plane crash like everyone's scared to fly on boeing planes myself included because the doors keep flying off but then like we also know that planes are safer than cars you know and it's like okay it's like i have i'm literally of two minds and it's really hard to i i think it's very hard for probably most people to evaluate these situations in a uh non-emotional

way so you know like be easier said than done but like uh be mindful of like your information consumption if you are sitting on the couch and you're like, Oh, I should be doing work. And all I'm doing is scrolling Instagram reels or whatever you're doing. And you're like, I would much rather be doing anything other than this. Do anything other than that.

That's it. I say this, I'm, this is, I'm going to watch this clip. Can you please clip this section for me? So I can just have a replay. Like,

so that way it pops up on my algorithm, your phone so it pops in at least every third reel it'll just pop up it'll be like hey you would have so much more fun playing elden ring right now right so go play elden ring don't beat yourself up you've gotta yeah shadows of earth tree is about to come out you've got to get ready but there's all the friction of downloading and opening it. Yeah, it's terrible. When I can just sit here and not have fun. Yeah.

That is unironically my brain in bed while I'm scrolling. It's like, oh no, but it's hard to get out of bed. So I should just sit here and be miserable. Yeah. We actually have the making everything from scratch. We had so many fun things. Yeah, we have, you can save them for next time. Yeah, we'll save them for next time. Yes.

This was just people on TikTok making things exactly from scratch but it's ridiculous oh yeah you made a toothpaste okay the captions wait i'm no well let's watch this i'm curious this the captain is definitely not a dentist we were about to go to bed when i realized that we were we're about to go do it in the day. Yes, I think there is a part of it that is like the thing that probably that I can already find grading to me is this idea that we have to do this always right before bed,

which is the time that I never want to do anything. I know and it's really it is the most like look at me. I can still keep working even though it's my executive function levels are out of this world. It's not what I like. That's great. It's a rise and grind to have ignored the fact that you're running out of two. But yeah, you should have more to certain point. If I hit nine thirty p.m. and there's no toothpaste, guess I'm going to have a

stinky mouth when I wake up. I'm not doing nothing about this because now also it's like you will. If you brush your teeth in the morning you should have noticed that yeah you're about to run out of toothpaste so my husband went downstairs to make some look he is very precise in his measurements so he started up i see why people hate this they're putting it in my face yeah there is that here's the thing i'm alone live how you love my. Do what you want. And that's great. I think that's fantastic for you. If I came over to your house and this was how you act like 24 seven, I will leave and I'll judge you, but I'll also understand that you just have a different life to me.

Yeah. And that's beautiful. That's great for you. There's a certain point where I have to understand that it is my problem that I can't stop being productive that's my issue when i'm like coming home and i'm like i have to do this thing or like a tune to a different frequency equally valid at least as far as i know i don't know enough about this area as well though i feel like if i went around to their house i don't know if they'd let me leave yeah i'd become an ingredient but also it's something that we kind of touched on a little earlier was worse.

Like everything we watch online, we have to remember that it was put there. Like it was, there's nothing, nothing ends up on online by accident. Your kitchen is not lit for the camera. Exactly. Yeah. So when you're looking at this,

it's like you, this means you went and set up that. Like, that's why it was real funny when people started making fun of the guy who was going shopping at target to be like for you to catch yourself walking in a target you had to go set up a tripod right right at the target and it's like it's the same thing here and i think we kind of let our guard down when it is at home stuff but it's like no you still have to light this kitchen you still have to sit there this

me you're telling me that you are this wellressed you got your kid holding i have you know spent time with plenty of new parents and i cannot think of a thing less fun than being like here's what i'm gonna do i'm gonna hold my baby next to my partner as they are doing work at this point in time it's like no i gotta do their own toothpaste we are both very busy right now i remember my my child did do do but we were out of diapers so i went outside and I was able to go through our roses, extract the pedals and construct a diaper. I cut down the tree and I used the diaper mill that was next door. Another bark diaper for Jeremy.

Yeah. It's just woodwork to diaper. It's a wooden baby. I want to, I want to see how they describe how you make toothpaste. Yes. I mean, now I'm just curious. Now I do need to make toothpaste. I mean, it could be- Now I'm just curious.

Now I do need to make toothpaste. I didn't have toothpaste this morning, so I am going to be using this one. Right, I'm going to go buy all the ingredients. Some bentonite clay. He added that to a bowl with a tablespoon of water. We weren't making a huge batch, so this was more than enough.

He mixed it until it was all smooth and broke a spoon. Wait, wait, you should make a huge batch here out of toothpaste. Yeah, yeah. We make a single serving of toothpaste every night. This is why you keep running out. Yeah, this is, look, you can meal prep this. Go ahead and make a bunch of it. It's not going to go bad, I don't think.

It's roasting a chicken, eating one of the legs, and then throwing it away. Light pack. I buy my toothpaste in bulk. So even when I run out, I have another one. So many ingredients. He moved on to measuring out some coconut oil

and adding that to our clay mixture. He also added a teaspoon of baking soda. He gave that a really good mix, made sure everything was combined before. He added the last two ingredients, which were some stevia and peppermint essential oil. We love our PJs.

Are these PJs? Wait a second. Wait a second. Just hold this for a moment. This is the pose that happened right there as he was mixing. It's just like Jojo pose. Oh yeah, look at him. It's not me noticing that my knee hurts

because I've been pushing my spine into my side. Everything is just too perfect. You know what I mean? Well, yeah, it's very clean aesthetic. He's got country club like nighty nights on. There's something all putting. I had somebody describe the other day as like,

you know those Instagram parents and they have beige children. They wear their room, every filter. It's a beige house with beige wearing. There is something like, okay, that aesthetic is so intentional, clearly intentional. And the audience, anybody on a social media platform, especially Instagram knows how it works. Yeah. There's something to me. It's almost insidious a little bit about when the aesthetic is so fucking joyless.

She was holding a newborn and they were making toothpaste silently, dourly, not smiling. Yeah. What happened? Did something happen? You know, what's mean that I just thought of,

I can't wait to hear it i don't know if i could be friends with somebody who talk like that all the time oh god no it would be it's that's it's i don't know like going to the park today excuse me if i'm wrong it just feels put on like i'd love to see nara and that's why i'm like i i don't want to assume this is always the thing with content i assume assume the, I truly do assume the worst, but then I have to catch myself and go, well, I don't know it for sure.

Yeah. Right about Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah. Everything about this is so manufactured that it's like, yeah, you're definitely want to be the soft-spoken wife. And that's okay to sell. That's okay to like be your content.

Well, I guess it's, it becomes clear when you watch a video like this i think before it felt more innocuous where it's like my kid ran out of this so i'm going to do this and it seemed like it was just like dishes it was food but i think when you are kind of like being like this model family it's like i think you're there's a part of you even though media literacy is dead there's still a part of people's brains that they're like, what is this person trying to say?

And I think that's what makes them so livid is like, what are you selling to us? What are you saying about this? And I just, yeah. A lot of it is, it is a vibes based criticism, but yeah, that like the medical precision, like I do not see an equality between medical precision and the value of the family and it does feel to some extent again i'm just going on feel but

we've known people like this it is not yeah it's like you said everything's very intentional and there is something eerie to me about someone that would publish it not understanding the reaction because it's not really raging yeah we're two decades into social media manicured like manicured perfect lives people start to feel bad about their own lives because of how it's presented and so that's what makes me more cynical about wouldn't things appear too perfect yes i if this person is like here's how i make toothpaste and i do this literally every day and here's a way that you could do it that's fine as opposed to the this is the way it should be done this is how i am a good mother and this is why you're a bad one like i look i can't be in my cashmere pajamas yeah look i can't be hypocritical i will be

hypocritical by saying like oh this is not my vibe but i will watch someone who's like like here's how i made a bunch of squash in my little tiny plot outside my LA apartment. And I'll be like, this rules. And I'm like, this is wish fulfillment to me because I don't have this. This is like, I found this old Nintendo 64 and I'm going to clean it real good.

It's going to look brand new at the end. Exactly. It's a toothpick going between the grooves. Whose old skin is this? I've got this refurbished PS5. We're going to see if we can turn this into a brand new resale. I know, but it is funny. You say that because I think that is what it is. I haven't been able to put my finger on it, but it's this like kind of omission, right? Where it's just presented because I am getting very tired of these like kind of like soulless, voiceless kind of

presentational videos where it's like i'm not saying anything. So if you're saying that i'm saying this is bad, you put it there because I didn't say anything, but it's like yep, you're not saying anything. So why are you doing this? Why are you doing going on? What is going on here? Because it's like because when Martha Stewart does shit, she's like hey, i'm doing this because this is how I like to do it. This is what I like to do. she specifically says i am doing this you don't have to you are not you are choosing not to say anything but present it and show like your family and you being next to it and if someone has a problem

he was like well i'm just posting videos like but you're not saying anything tell us what you want question though what is the bio of this, and how many followers do they have? Oh, a shit ton. 7.5. Oh, hell yeah. Awesome. Is this the name? This is random. This is random.

Okay. This is random, dude. I actually really like random. Let's finish the toothpaste. I want to see him brush with it. Yeah, we do got to see him brush. If. I actually really like random. Wait, I want to see the toothpaste. I want to see him brush with it. Yeah, we do got to see him brush. Oh, dude. If you don't show brushing. What is manicured brushing?

Before mixing that up one last time and transferring that over to a glass container. I know everyone's teeth are different, so this might not work for everyone, but the smell of this. Everyone's teeth are that different. Wait. Most teeth are pretty similar. There's a lot of times where I'm like, yes, bodies are different and everything. look for everyone, but the smell of this different way, so

there's a lot of times when I'm like yes bodies are different and everything teeth are different sure, but it's close as you get in general, but like never vision the eyes, but when I go to the dentist and I go well, everybody seems to be different. So your cavities are fine. Here's the thing I the thing about this and why I think I do get just a little like turned up in it is that this would be like a very dope zero waste and I tried to go zero waste and I say all that to say from the start of this video. I knew that was what it was going to look like because I tried to go

zero waste with toothpaste and those toothpaste suck so bad. It sucks so hard it like they're very like clay and it doesn't foam up and it gets caught in your mouth. It tastes bad and I can tell because nara put the smallest smidgen on that toothbrush before brushing it, because I know she knows it tastes like when somebody does the kitchen counter food and yeah their friend try it and they like take a little time yeah, yeah. Oh delicious. That's right. How much garlic did you put in this? But you say the end? What? Why are you saying like you might have said the end? We're

going to that with the spaghetti. Yeah, and like I know that you know, Nara deals with a lot of projection and I kind of presented why I think that Nara deals with a lot of projection but there is just something so arian about her husband and i think he needs to turn it down i think he needs to turn that shit down at least fifty percent what what do you think he could do to fix that the hairstyle that is definitely like if we if i if i showed someone a clip of this and be like oh this from a movie what is? Oh, the resurgence of Hitler. Yeah.

You know, like an alternate timeline. Yeah. Yeah. Nazis was so successful. So like, I so air. I mean, look,

there was a time when I was like, oh, I bet I could rock an undercut. And then every alt right guy in the world did. And I was like, I guess I got to grow my hair out. That's what's going to have to happen. That spread real fast.

Yeah. All right. Not unlike the first time it got really popular. I've just been trying to wear my khakis and my black polo shirts and I can't do it anymore as a white man. What the hell's going on? I had a red armband that was fetching. You know like, you know,

Elvis swoop that I tell you're trying to do. I'm like, nah, bro, it's just giving it's giving secret police. It's giving inglorious yeah yeah yeah, you know, like to make toothpaste. I mean I'm going to make what is going on my American brothers. Yeah, and it doesn't help that she is like the whitest black woman, you know, like like you like and

I was perfect and I want nothing but the best for because I do like to see my Queens win, but everything about it is like I'm like just give us something now are like like give us narrative like I know this is like slowly building into you getting a TLC show or something like that.

What will help is giving us some kind of narrative. I know you're trying to play the coy card and sit in the middle no uh go ahead and give us a narrative because i'm so sure that there are white supremacists that are using these aesthetic videos as like this is what it should be like oh yeah the grecian ideal yeah um so i feel like we would be remiss if we didn't talk about actually before we... Oh, yeah. That's right. Two out of five. That's the talking about.

Feedback. You said you like feedback? I love feedback. You love feedback. And the feedback is not actionable. Two out of five. Two out of five. You figure it out.

Make it better. First off, for those who don't know, Dropout is a subscription service. Very, very cool service that has lots of shows with very, very funny comedians on it. I don't even know how to describe it. And then one of those shows is actually, it's a trivia show. Yes. It's like a trivia panel show.

I have lots of guests on. Jordan and myself are on with Sad Boys guest Demia DiGiube. Yeah. It is hosted by Ify and Brian is the fact checker. So what has that experience been like for you guys? Because you just finished your

first season. Yeah. It's airing now. It's finishing up. The airing is still going on and we are currently in the process of getting the next one yeah the next one going yeah we finished that back in november y'all were actually the last episode that we shot which was funny looking at because of us um everyone's like this one is so good you could tell they got it i'm like yeah because that's the last one you did like we finally hit our groove and you know it is funny because i think the whole season is good but it has been like an interesting

transitionary period for me because you know like brian said don't read the things that make you feel bad for some reason i read comments like i pull magic cards where like i'll go a good one was like okay this is good let's look at the next one oh this was this is good let's check the next one and because i try because i try and do because what i try and do is if i do read one that upsets me i stop there instead of i know some people will just read a bunch and let it hit yeah you don't open a new pack yeah i read until i get the bad one and i'm like all right i'm good that's every bad card cut your hand open yeah yeah i know it's you just kept doing it your fingers are falling off but yeah no everyone's your episode is the current favorite among the reddit which stunk uh not not not that stinks i think going

to the reddit was really bad it was pretty low i was was real hyped about it. I think it also that we love everyone there, so there's like everyone was locked in, but you know the discord is dead, but the discord I think people tip toed a bunch because they're like well they knew and I was very because I would pop in to answer like like trivia type questions like when people would be like I don't know why they didn't ask the W. W. Any W. W. E questions when xavier was there i was like well let me tell you about that process right you know just fun bts stuff but i could tell the conversation because i would see people like shit talking but i would just ignore it and just talk to

that person i would just tell people go like this but um now you know reddit you know they know i'm there and don't care like i've commented once and they like i've commented trivia thing and no one even responded to it. They're like, nope, this is our space to talk shit and say things. And I'm like, you know what? You're right. I just go into a games workshop to learn to play.

Like we're not going to cater to you at all. Yeah. Fuck you. I'm like our episode. I like was so in my head the whole time. Really? Yeah. And it's like, I think because I got actually mad that my head the whole time. Really? Yeah. And it's like,

I think cause I got actually mad that I kept forgetting to say, Oh, it's like I was like, I would know the answer to something and then I'd forget cause I'd get excited. That's the trick. That's the trick of them. And that's what would happen to me.

A lot of times is I, yeah, you, a lot of times I spend when I was a contestant, I would spend times figuring out like, okay, I know where it's wrong and i would do it which is why it's so funny when people say i give it up too easy because i was

like this is how i became champion so you can't tell me that my trap wasn't easy to getting close enough because i got so many points but then if i knew it then it's like a buzz in and you say it because you know it gets so excited uh and so was like, I was in my head like fighting demons, trying to like, you know, like the show must go on. You're like, put it like sidebar, you know, because it's like, and, but you were so funny. Oh, thanks, dude. You were funny too, Jeremy.

Okay, thank you. Demi was great. The dynamic, I think, yeah. I mean, all of us knew each other. Oh, that also made me feel like more comfortable. Yeah. Well, that's made me feel like more comfortable. Yeah. Well, that's one thing we learned and why like now and even like friends who've done the show before, like I've got to be like, hey, because there's been friends who've done the show who like didn't get the call last season. I was like, one, the two things happen.

Those couches fill up way faster than I thought they did. Like we would be like i you know brian knows all of the extra names i was trying to throw on and i'd be like oh there's no space for him and two we build whole couches now so instead of it being like oh that's mattering of people when well we saw it firsthand with like y'all and everyone who came on it's like since everyone knows each other they're more comfortable ribbing they're more comfortable being assholes about getting the points yeah and it just made for a better show right yeah. I'll kill Demi in the street. If I see him, I feel like if I were to attack Demi, he would activate like

Yoda mode. He would he would revenge of the sith. Yeah, you're saying? There's a framing where it's like there's a screen cap where people think I'm short because I'm always next to Jordan and I'm just like a little bit shorter than Jordan. And then we, I think we're a little bit forward in the frame

and just because of the perspective, Demi looks so small. He is not that short. Literally Peter Jackson style. I asked, I was like, yeah, we need to do some forced perspective. Yeah, we need to bring on Peter Jackson. Make sure that Jordan gets the Gandalf treatment. The most expensive episode we had.

We had to cut that dining table in half and make some of it closer. No, but it was so fun. Your whole team, everyone was like so on it. What a production. I mean, you know. it's really cool to see like the final product come together um and i'm excited for you guys it's like so it's so cool oh thank you i both i also loved both of your very important people episodes oh i was yes i

got pulled in i did not know it was you when I first started seeing those clips. And then they started blowing up and I started seeing them more. And then I started to recognize more and more people that were on it. And I went back and saw the dead self again. I'm like, what? I think I may have texted you when I saw it

because I was just like, you're such a talented improviser, Ify. And I was just like losing my shit watching the Denzel episode. And then Brian, your arm. When they gave me the arm, I was like, oh my shit watching the Denzel episode. And then Brian, your like arm. When they gave me the arm, I was like, oh, I get this now. This is fun. This morning I had another, I had the

clip where you're offering Vic ultimate power. I mean, she's amazing. Oh, so good. That was the thing is that like I have said this before where I'm like, I'm okay at improv. I think I'm like in the slightly better than average part of the bell curve, but that's partially because improv can get real bad.

There's some very bad improvisers. Yeah. I would not say you were bad at improv by any means. I think you're great. Thank you. But I was like the reason I, when they, when they reached out and they were like, here's the idea, we'll put you in really cool makeup. I was originally like, I want to do that just because I want to do that. But I was also like, I might be, it it might not be great i might not be feel super comfortable and then they were like oh but vick will be the host and i had never met vick before but i'd seen

a bunch of their work and i was like okay yeah i trust i trust them with my they will be they are so i heard them a ton on comedy bang bang and like or did later here yes i'm like okay this is just that the mass of the craft or whatever, but I think there's something, just like the genesis of that show is the best version of what that show could be. Because high concept, hey, we're going to do an interview show where people come in in makeup

and they come into the character. That does not by any means include, and it's going to be hosted by a translantic speaking style of slightly snooty character who is very socially unaware. On this kind, like a Johnny Carson style set, like that's a genius idea.

And I think like her having the, I think in the fear of you staying in her guest house and the fear of the frustration that no one likes her for the rest of the episode. Yeah, they were like, when they're doing things with Vic, they were on top of meeting me where I'm at. Because, you know, you kind of, I wonder if it was the same for you. But you're doing the mirror scene where you're coming up with your character. And then you sit down with Vic and then they are meeting you for the first time. They don't know what your character is.

That's awesome. And so you're going around the bush. So like the fluff, like that moon thing was just them just kind of sticking to their ground on there. And I was like, okay, this is more,

a more fun version of what we're doing. And they are just so good at like, kind of like seeing where you're going with yeah like uh a bit justifying and keeping like um the reality if this is true yes it's true like that stuff with the improv is just like you can tell when someone's really got it and really like locked in um there's something so like obviously there's the satisfaction of of delivering a really good joke or landing a landing the flight but then there's also the satisfaction of giving somebody exactly the ramp they are the best at yeah that is like that i don't know everything i've seen

of that show yeah obviously i don't see the unedited versions but everything i see in the cut down just feels like it is very natural the the improv is hard to do on camera in any there's a reason why like if you go to a lot of improv shows they're like don't film this because it's not gonna train it's gonna like it's gonna be funny in the dream but don't do that and like that's the other reason is that i'm like the only people i trust to edit improv art is dropout like they are the only people who know how to do it well. And like is a skill being able to like, even in improv shows, you have people who are like maybe not the best improvisers,

but know how to cut a scene where it's like, and stop. And then we're going to go to a new thing. And it's like, if you have someone who's really good at that, they are a lifesaver. They like improv. It's like called the edit,

but then now you actually have like an actual, actual edit. Does it help you guys at all? That like, it feels like that dropout has, despite having a lot of shows has like kind of a house style. Oh yeah. I definitely think so.

I, you know, and they are very good about being. And I think what makes it work is everyone kind of like steers their own ship. So when I, when they hit me up to take over, I'm actually, I kind of like steers their own ship. So when I, when they hit me up to take over, I'm actually,

I kind of was like, well, you know, as a live performer and as someone who likes going to cons, being able to write them off and like, you know, uh, have,

and also be able to do things. I was like, well, like Mike never did like common stuff. And I would personally want to do that and do live versions. And they were like, right. It's your show. You want to do live stuff. i always hit a brian i'm like hey do you want

to do this do you want to do this and it's funny because uh you know up top brian being like if he's the con guy who loves cons and it is like it is very fun um getting to one travel with brian bring brian to cons but also realizing how much much Brian doesn't go to cons because people were like, it thinks if he, Brian never comes to anything. No, it's yeah. I don't go to cons. I just like, that's from a personal standpoint. I'm just bad with crowds.

I'm just not great with it. And so, but like that being said, if he did like two months ago, it was like, Hey, I'm thinking I'm going to magic con. Do you want to go? And I was like, finally, I'm thinking I'm going to magic con. Do you want to go? And I was like, finally, I have an excuse to not go to this convention. Cause I don't know a single thing about magic.

And then in the past month, I've been like, you know what? Actually, I do want to go to Las Vegas for a con for magic. Yes. Three things that would have, I would have never said in my whole life,

which con was in Vegas this year. And I was like, I never want to go back to Vegas. And thenCon was in Vegas this year, and I was like, I never want to go back to Vegas. And then M was like MagicCon October, and I was like, I'm in. And then Vegas, and I was like, I'll make it work. I think I'm down. Amos does make crowds and environments like that worse.

It feels like you can't direct yourself away from it. And I've told you this privately, Brian, and I'm going to say it again publicly, and also to Jarvis, who might be in Vegas. You always feel free to lean on me too if you're just like hey but yes like because i'm real good at like just be lining because i'm so big that it's like grab onto my shirt we're out it was helpful i will say i mean both it it like you know if he attracts a lot of attention but if he also can book it and so i was just like scooting behind him the whole time the whole it was beautiful it's weird because like now as an adult i'm getting into things like magic i'm getting back into things that either i was like avoiding because

i was like i already have i already have this list of nerd shit i can't go further into it but i am like i'm getting back into sewing and i'm like it'd be fun to cosplay but i'm also like i'd only if i have a mask on only if it's a masked character and then i'm going to new york comic con because that's the most place like i just want to go and experience it as a normal person because that is where i would have fun except for magic con where i'd be like yeah i want to buy every single one of these booster boxes i gotta have this mask getting in the way of my plan i'm so so stoked to see the artists too. That's what's really cool about Magic because Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh.

Yu-Gi-Oh, I don't know if they list the illustrator. They used to not. But Pokemon, the artists aren't allowed. They're allowed to sell their work, but they're not allowed to do anything with Pokemon characters in it. But with Magic, I think they can sell prints of the art that's on the card.

They can even get the proofs, which they can sell prints of like they can even get like the proofs which are the early kind of prints of cards that they get in sign that they usually do the other side and yeah I'm like oh there's so much cool stuff that's really cool I'll come I'll go to magic

yeah let's do it take out my family blade take the rust off one more job okay gang I think this is a great place to call it Do it. I'll pick up the craft again. Make a little field trip. Take out my family blade. Yes. Take the rust off. Oh, yeah. One more job. Okay, gang. I think this is a great place to call it. Thanks, Brian.

Hold on. Bright Brian. That's Briar. Brian David Gibler. Damon Gibler. Yes, correct. Ify, thank you so much for joining us. We, the fun, don't stop here.

We're going to head over to sad boys nights uh our exclusive patreon podcast on patreon.com slash sad boys where uh we will continue hanging out uh if you brian do you have anything that you want to shout out oh yes hey if you're watching this from london and you enjoy live comedy yeah yeah you're your spot i'm gonna be at lester square theater september 6th doing a stand-up so come on out buy those tickets so i can uh sell it out uh but yeah it's a hey check it out it'll be good time obviously watch um actually and uh our relationship podcast with uh emmy and iffy where it's like Jarvis, you were just on this week's as of recording this.

I was on this week's. Those are the two things. I'm on a bunch of podcasts. Those are the ones I'll do. Oh, I was just going to say dropout. You can get a dropout subscription and watch our episode of I'm Actually as a great way to just slide on in to make this exact group of people

won't challenge you. And it all, Demi's there who you may be familiar with from sad boys as well. He will challenge you. That's the only challenging part. He's challenged me and I'm afraid of it. Yeah. Flipping around.

Brian, how about you? I'm not doing any live shows or anything, but I'm going to, I'll be posting more things on YouTube soon. I've just been trying to backlog stuff for a bit. And then again, come watch. I'm actually, and then we'll be, it's, YouTube soon. I've just been trying to backlog stuff for a bit. And then again, come watch.

I'm actually, and then we'll be, it's, I've been the second season. We're going to be filming it soon, but it'll take a while to come out, but it's going to be fun. I'm excited about it.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Check the YouTube. That's where the video will be. And I'm going to start posting. Eventually we'll see. We were talking about. Yeah.

Yeah. We end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're sorry boom how did you propose uh i proposed uh in new york when we were we went to um the place we had our first date at which i during our first date i was like oh she hates me we were walking to the subway and she tripped and i like reached out to make sure she didn't fall and i thought she held my hand she thought thought I held her hand, but then we were regardless, very holding hands. It was very nice in my head. I was like, I know exactly where this happened. I have it. I locked it in. I'm going to go back and we're going to like, go. I was like, Oh,

just like humor me. Would you like trip again? And then that's when I'll propose as my plan. I was like, Oh, let's just go see if we can find it together. Like I would be good to go. And we get there 30 minutes before. I'm like, this is going to be plenty of time for me to propose. It'll be good. We get there and we realize that we have exactly opposite memories

of where this happened. Oh no. Moving girl, how she delicate, that future girl Future girl, yeah we on now Take my money, go away, all you wanted Girl, you too rich for me