Sad Boyz - OpenAI Is Trying To Get Sued

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. Whoa, dude, careful. Another one? What's up? I'm Jordan. Hey, okay. Hey, man. How you doing? I'm good. I have an observation. I thought you might. What's that?

You seem well today. It's the drugs. Yeah, how you doing? We both slept all right, maybe. Okay, here's the thing. Anastasia and I texted at 3 a.m. last night. And I wasn't going to address it. I was going to say, hey, we need to, we can't keep meeting like this.

Yeah, we got to stop. I was like, because it was just like literally work text. It was like, oh, and I'll show you what it was about, by the way. I said, remind me to buy some flights. And then the other thing I sent, the other thing I said. Which I totally forgot to remind you. No, it's okay, because I'm here. And I'm going to.

Wait, is it a Maria story? Yes. It's literally We've got questions, Jacob How did you not share this with us? How did you not? Jacob has a new dog We haven't talked about it too much

Koso It rained a lot yesterday And I saw on our friend's story That Jacob is walking Koso In his little raincoat In his little rain boots It is the cutest thing I've ever seen He looks so meek

And so at 3 a.m. last night, I kind of woke up in a trance and was like, I need to tell Anastasia. He said, we need to talk to Jacob about this. And literally, that's like, and literally it's just to say, how dare you keep this from us? Jacob, does it have pockets for like it's fun. It does. That's awesome. Koso has so many clothes now because my, my mother and my sister sent a large box full of clothes for him. Wow. So he has a rain jacket.

he has boots he has Christmas sweaters he has a hoodie oh my god is he gonna have a Halloween costume oh yeah and even like all of my friends like Michaela got him um a little cinema on uh hoodie like jammy set like cute he's good with wearing him he's like chill oh he loves that's so cool what about shoes though because in the video that maria posted he's he seems to be walking fine in the shoes. I've never seen a dog walk normal. He's chilling. Yeah. I put shoes on him wants to take him out when it was like kind of hot. And he walked a little funny then. Um, but ever since then, he's been like completely fine with shoes. Um, you get him some heels. Yeah. You got, I can't believe you two found each other. You're a mess made in heaven. That's a beautiful thing.

I'm in, and by the way, I like to report that I am making inroads with Koso. Uh, the other day, I was next to Koso and Koso started barking at someone else. Oh, good. That was great. Double you. And you threw someone else in his path. And also he does kind of do this kind of, it's something that I've only really seen like a flying mantis do. We're like, oh, look how do you go to the pool, but a puddle.

He fell in a puddle. Yeah, he like wasn't sure about it. But he's like, my boots will protect me. He's so fast and he can leap and he's so aerodynamic. And so he just like a spider. He like leaped. He, like, leaps like a jumping spider. He's like a jumping spider, which is fucked up.

But, yeah. Dipper, on the other hand, we have a little system where when he comes back in, I tell him to stop and he knows that. And then I, like, kind of, I kind of, it's almost like I'm teaching him to draw. I, like, kind of dab his paws on the carpet to, like, wipe them down. But I feel like he'd be okay with shoes. Would you try sometime? Yeah. Oh, he's just not, like, wearing clothes.

but she is pretty sharp when it comes to like environmental hazards throughout the season. She's very aware that she could like, you know, drown in a very small puddle. And so she's cautious with that. She, uh, there is a metal like, um, you know, like sewer access metal big, I don't know what to call it. It looks like a Habachi grill, you know, one of those outside that covers the entire chunk of the sidewalk. And one time during the summer, she got a little close to it, noticed how hot. it wasn't kind of backed away. Now it does not matter what time of the season it is. She jumps over it still. She can't, she's like, she'll stop. If she doesn't have the energy to do the jump,

pick her up and put her on the other side. You put your, you know, your coat down like a madam, please. How are you? Um, I think I feel similarly a little, uh, a little more source today. I don't know. Yeah. Uh, for me, it's the second coffee and the fact that I got some work done yesterday that was weighing heavily on me and that all I have to do today is nothing after this you know I think those are the two big one is thing done yesterday nothing after oh yeah it's like the it's the eye of the storm yeah but it's like getting in the eye of storm we're on like guys I think everything's okay I have to say the storm keeps going like what the hell we were recording some ads earlier this morning was I invited you were here oh yeah yeah you were in then that of course

But I have to say we were having some giggle fits. We were having some giggles. It was a little hard to get through because we were giggling. It is also hard to get to because it is smart that we do it the first thing. But boy, are my arms tired. You know what I'm saying? I just, I feel like in general, I just, I have more stamina today than I was anticipating. I also don't, we had a little lunch.

I usually don't eat why at even between episodes or anything because I crash, but today, less so. it might literally just be that I finally stopped metaphorically wearing my little raincoat, my little looted I just I've raw-dogged my sleeping bill I've been like biting off too anxious to sleep a little too long and I slept in a little too late today but I did sleep I did my seven and a half hours or whatever and it is like it's so frustrating that it matters

yeah that's how I feel about exercise which I'm still not doing right now as much as I want to, but that's the final frontier, and then I'll be complete. That is what we need a thumb drive that you put in the side of your brain for. Put it on your thumbs. Again, I don't mean to, we need one, like a little booty that a dog would wear. Yeah, yeah. It goes right on your thumb, and then, like a puppet, and then it installs being happy. You know what I love most about Jacob's video of Caso wearing booties in a rinko?

It was real. It wasn't AI. And that's something that we're going to talk about today, which is, you guessed it. We're talking about AI again, specifically SORA, which is Open AI's new, like, essentially TikTok for Gen AI videos. Just the end times. Oh, for sure. This is the four horsemen appearing. Yeah, the final boss of Slop. Just like, okay.

I can't even think of another keyword that would stress me out about it. My head feels Sora thinking about it. What do you mean? Open AI. We talk a lot about AI, and I'm kind of sick. of it. I'm sick of this damn computer. I'm kind of sick of this damn computer and I want to throw it away. But I can't, they can't stop, they can't stop being little freaks. It's increasingly depressing and charming at the same time because seeing somebody like poop their pants and

fall over constantly is very funny in a metaphorical sense. Especially when it's a like multi-trillion dollar market potentially. But then seeing a bunch of blue checks be like masterful gambit, Sam. This is actually incredible. What a wise premise. So I can make it so my funeral is studio Ghibli themed now. That's pretty cool. I can get a eulogy from Luigi. A eulogy.

A you Luigi? It's a me, Mario. It's a me, Mario, I'm such a narcissist. It's a me. Yeah, I fucking know. It's like, yeah, what? It's like, okay, dude. You're so famous.

Relax. It's your name is on the game. The guy. We're not the Luigi brothers. It's a me, donkey con. Yeah. Um, so I want to talk. about SORA AI, which is a new innovative way of stealing from artists.

But then, but very, very recently, Sam Altman just tweeted, and I have to read this bad news already. I'm going to do my Sam Alman impression, which is probably going to sound like my Mark Zucker impression, which is just going to sound like my Elon Musk impression, because they all sound the fucking same. His username is Sama. We made chat GPT pretty restrictive to make sure we were being careful with mental health issues.

Now, just imagine where this is going, right? Okay, you may chat GDPD restrictive to make sure you're careful mental health issues. Thanks, Sam. We realized this made it less useful slash enjoyable to many users who had no mental health problems. Who are those? Who are those people? I had such a funny said to it.

It's like, we realized the real racism was against normal people. By protecting those with mental health issues, we've made a problem. boring product for the normies out there. The freaks have been getting in the way of our fun. We now real. It is funny. Like, by inventing seat belts, we realized we made driving a lot less fun for people who were like really sick at it, actually.

So, but given the seriousness of the issue, we wanted to get this right. Serious. Now that we've been able to mitigate the serious mental health issues. Have you? Dude, that's huge. Oh, when? That didn't happen. Yeah.

Have you? Like, I feel like there's a new. story every week about something horrible happening. I literally have, I met someone a few days ago at a bar who ended, who started a conversation with us for no reason, and then it suddenly opened their phone and asked their chatbot of choice for conversation status. I, it's not, in public, two strangers. You're not ready yet.

The juices, the juice isn't squeezed. There's been enough time to see the impact. It's like, and it's funny because, like, there's a certain. I have that I also want conversation starters, you know what I mean? If I can't, if I can't talk about my most recent hyperfocus, if I'm like walking into a group of people and I'm like, these people don't even care about Modern Horizons 3 Arena Direct this weekend. You guys are stupid.

Then what am I supposed to even thought? I'm like, if they don't care about that and they don't care about my fantasy football team, then I got nothing, dude. I have nothing in this world. I mean, there's, that's the thing is my AI friend. Get him to go. And then publicly saying to us, I believe they said word for word, chat, GBT, told me we should talk about this.

Oh, that, okay. Now that's a bridge too far. Because I was empathizing for a moment, but that is... I mean, even in front of people that you don't know that would be insane, even in a Google search. But it's like just, there has not been enough time yet. Like, if studying... Can we hear Sam out, though? He says he has

new tools. And they've fixed brain or something? So what he's alluding to here, and again, this is still going to another place that you may not expect, what is alluding to here is Chad GPT 5 or 4 yeah 5 is less personal and people liked 4-0

because it was like one of the girls It was willing to talk to you in AAB or whatever It was the yes ad machine In a few weeks we plan to put out a new version of Chad GBT that allows people to have a personality that behaves more like what people liked about 4-0 We hope it'll be better If you want your chat GPT to respond in a very human-like way, which is just like look at what you're saying here, or use a ton of emoji or act like a friend, I just feel like it's crossing a boundary.

Well, I was going to say that's already irresponsible. Yeah. Chad GPT should do it, but only if you want it, not because we're usage maxing. Okay, cool. And then here's the PSDistance. In December, as we roll out age-gating more fully, it is a part of our treat adult users like. adult's principle, we'll allow even more erotica for verified adults. We'll, okay. They're like, it's time to get sexy, dude.

We turned off sex mode, but we know you horn dogs have been waiting and we need to make more money. Sam Altman, I'm kind of the sex dog. They call me the sex dog. And I'm excited to show everyone what I've got wrapped up in my package. Also, you know what fixes mental health issues. Erotica. Jack it off.

I think that my mini-aunts would agree with that. Who love to read. It is funny to include this, not a particularly important component right after. So we've noticed that chat GPT has encouraged several different people to burn down their house and try and like swallow all of the carbon monoxide they can find. So we have now made it so jack off your penis. It is funny because it's like, all right, is everybody gone?

All right, we just, I just did. I just had chatubt DRAC three paragraphs of nothing. Let's go. Remember Replica? That was like the AI partner. I remember the. It, sorry. It, yes.

Yeah, everything was me. People on, I think we talked about this years ago when the couch was facing, facing the world. Too much side ass and couch. Yeah, the, I remember the subreddit revolting because they took all. away sexy time. Do you remember that? Yeah, I was a moderator. I was running a lot of that kind of revolution. You know what I'm a revolutionary moderator. Yeah, I was pushing back against these, these woke ideas of not getting to jack off, but also not having a machine tell you that your delusions are realistic and that you should cut yourself off from your family.

One thing that I'm curious about, though, is it says in San Altman's tweet that they're only doing it for age verified adults and we have a previous sad boys we talked about um the age verification in the UK and uh surprise surprise surprise that's already not going well oh yeah so before again we get into SORA it is worth noting that can you pull this up Jacob there is recently a breach rut row who could have seen this coming well I mean the these evil hackers you know what i mean uh they're so only on them and not the practices are informed yeah so discord had yeah in unauthorized this is just like literally verbatim what we said is the risk vector basically for doing this stuff with why the uk's implementation of privacy stuff was really

bad yes it wasn't a breach of discord but because discord trusted a third party uh that third party it's a it's a it's a way i said this in that episode it's like the weakest link is going to, you know, there's going to be some sort of breach. And then that you are only as secure as your weakest link. And of the accounts implied globally, we have identified approximately 70,000 users who may have had government ID photos exposed. It's so obviously frustrating. And now it's like a, I know the leopards ate my face style thing.

Can you send this to me, Jacob? I just need to text Tom Scott. Why did you stick your face in a leopard? What were you thinking? Well, I needed to see how old the leopards were. Oh, I'm weird for that. All right. There's a really good video I just watched from a channel I enjoyed

called Skip Intro. Oh, yeah. It was, they hadn't done a video in their copaganda series for a little while, and this ended up being one because they were talking about adolescents, which I underestimated the cultural impact that had in the UK. I think I was not paying quite enough attention to that. I believe it's the second largest streamed show in the UK in history. It was like enormous there.

I mean, you know, it's a UK show. It's got a number of prestige British actors. But the thing was is like the optics we talked about when we were talking on that episode of, we have to protect the children is a very favorable aesthetic. Are you to argue against what? You don't want to protect the children? I have to protect the children act. But the thing is, is that the actual utility of this, or the way that it's actually applied, is in increased policing.

It always boils down to that where the mission always has the same implementation. It's like, we'll do more stop and search. So you can check people's wallet and then see how old they are. Oh, okay. So it's just another reason to justify the unjustified stop and search you were doing. Like, okay, so they verify their age. Okay, done, sorted. What was the plan when the age was verified?

What was the thing you were going to do? If the age wasn't properly verified, were you going to come take their computer? What was the idea? Like, what was the plan? And the truth is, there's nothing. It was initiate some kind of scare state and then just put some more, put some more kind of surveillance state stuff in place, because that doesn't hurt.

Now, obviously, it would be the mission of correctly age gate stuff that is already agegated. Do it successfully is obviously good. age gate content that's supposed to be agedated. But then somehow you're supposed to always accept that no matter what the context is. Just say, well, like, yeah, okay, tell me your blood. Send blood in.

You can't order on Uber-Reids if you have type 1 diabetes because it might not be good for you. You have to send the blood. I mean, they promise to not hold onto them. They promise. They promise. Once it's done. I mean, but like Tom Scott and I said,

anytime something says it's going to be deleted, uh, doubt. Presexed to doubt. Don't assume that's true. Usually it's marked for deletion and it's deleted never. Or it's deleted in one way, but not permanently. I moved it to trash on my phone. Okay?

And it's on service, plural, you say? Yeah, it's in the cloud. We upload stuff to more than one place because we're a company that does it. We send it to Discord and Discord sent into a third party and third party ducks to the government and they all have it. The third party sends it to do it. John. Oh, no, John. Keya Stama. Keep her the keys, John. He's just like, I got all the ideas. But then Kea Stama's nephew opens a word document and then types in delete and then saves.

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It's a video generation platform. Many have existed before this, but Open AI has now, you know, entered the fray. Is it freaky? Not yet. They're not, not, I fear, I fear that time is ticking. Oh. This is the Sora homepage.

Well, look, it's like on the left, they, you know, are, they say do the Mandalorian, but like with speakers on the ground or whatever. And that's, it's always the same, uh, neo future set. It's always a big road with a hyper-realistic background. Um, got to say. If I'm one of the people that has invested billions of dollars in this, like, you know, speculative project, I go on the website and the third thing is Wally, but he's a hedge, and he goes down a driveway to reveal some goblins. I didn't even realize that Wally's eyes were on top of that hedge.

I'm just, I'm not going to be. And that there are goblins inside? I won't be thrilled, I guess. Dude, this is like, okay. Scroll down. Generative AI. Well, scroll down. Before we, okay, that one's scary.

That guy looks kind of real. If we scroll back up, Anastasia. Thank you very much. you um we can't scroll down everyone's but i i just think about like this like stop motion style thing that is a type of art that is so painstakingly difficult the creation of it and it's the magic but also just like it feels so cheap and unfair to take something that is such a deep like um like it's so much work famously it the craft of stop motion is the output.

Like, that is the, like, if they made one that was just a basketball game, you're like, wow, really exciting basketball game. But the exciting part is that it's people playing it. If I just came up with it one, I was like, and then he shoots three-pointer, and then it went in, and then I was there, and I jumped, but it didn't happen. Yeah, and it's like, in reality, it's like, okay, well, I know this guy has been struggling, you know, because he had injuries and stuff and now he's like playing really well

and that's what's exciting. I'm saying imagine if there was a guy where that happened. All right, Anastasia, we can scroll down. Yeah. There we go. It's a video you made. People have been posting like,

oh my God, I just opened SORA and this was the homepage and it's like Mario. But I think that this is a curated homepage. Also, I was kind of wondering if they saw people post it. posting that and got scared and and remove some stuff it's invite only right now okay so I think that we don't really have access to it okay but what you don't think we'd be invited but talking shit about them I feel like I could probably get an invite because no one who I know from the tech world listens to this this podcast they have no clue what I

think about the developments over the past decade yeah if we say that you just have a podcast yeah they're probably really fucking with me but like what is the hell what's so upsetting is that it's like if these were different art styles and different artists you'd be like oh wow what a nice variety but instead it's like we used a billion dollars worth of GPUs to crunch every piece of media that's ever been made and now we can regurgitate

any mix and match of said media what do you think of this would that be good what do you think of this it's like yeah every anime boom easy peasy like every every k drama we got that too, you know? Video game cutscenes, we're in there. This is kind of like the platonic ideal of why this stuff is partly just cringe. You know, there's a lot of criticisms you can make on a practical level and the threat it poses to people's creative and financial future. But then

also, the idea of generating like this content and then having reverence for it is to me- Having reverence for it is crazy. Shameful. If you showed that stuff, particularly, I don't know the stop motion one's getting to me so much. It's just like, maybe that's the best example of why. It's sad. It is. No, I 100% agree with you. That's one where like, because you can argue, okay, well,

not everyone has the budget to make something and not everyone has the resource to do X and Y. And then you can get into what I consider to be a pretty boring conversation about the logistics of something like this, right? Like, it's interesting, but at the same time, like people kind of conflate those two conversations. It's like, well, there's the people's

livelihood to being stolen because of this thing but that like if that wasn't the case it wouldn't stop me from thinking this is cringe the thing that bothers me so much about the stop motion one is that that actually is in my opinion does erode the respect that people have for that yeah because that does mean

that it is it literally is devaluing it is like it is a market replacement but it is also the same thing that happens with artists on with generative images who have had their art like terraformed by the AI so now people see this artist and they they associated with AI they have harmed that artists appeal in the marketplace because now there's so many more impressions of their style through this like slot and I really do have an issue with the word slop I think it's overused but but but this it like like through the slop lens, right?

Well, I mean, I hate to say it, but can we scroll up? Go on. But the very first one, the astronaut, I feel like an astronaut in the ocean or whatever right at the top. That is now completely synonymous with the NFT aesthetic. Yeah. There was a period in time where renderings like this were just like, it was a thing that a lot of people would show off their blender skills with or something.

Yeah, or like a pre-rendered video game trailer. And now it is unusable, like, completely... Like, symmetrical shot of a city with a bunch of stuff on the ground, with hyper-realistic lighting, and one character in the center, is now AI forever. I just want to bring up the Charlie Puth quote because we just listened, which I don't know if we could play it because it has music. But essentially, Charlie Puth gives this really gives a bunch of excellent examples of how... Art created by humans is imperfect. And that's good. We want that.

We want those imperfections because they're just like, it's like vibes base. It's like a connection. There's a human connection that can be made. Case in point, the iconic stop motion frame rate is because they, it's so much fucking work that if they made it faster, it would be twice the work. So the, the human hand in it puts soul into it. It creates choices that aren't, quote, unquote, perfect. Exactly.

But they're choices for a reason because it's like, we thought it sounded cool or whatever. And constraint breeds creativity. Yeah. And what's interesting about this is that, okay. I mean, I'm becoming fond of the Wally one as it goes. The, the, uh, we're going to mostly say negative things about AI and its impact on our artists. But the only, I, I hesitate to say this is an only, this is a good thing. But it's like now I feel like in order to avoid AI art aesthetics, we are going to get a lot we're going to get a lot weirder.

Yeah, that's true. And I do feel there will be a market for this type of stuff, unfortunately. But in terms of the art that people connect to, it's going to dodge this stuff. Kind of like Gen Z's like humor is a lot more absurdist and weird and nihilistic than than millennial humor, but like, when you go back to the core principles, they come from the same thing, just a different, they come from the same, like, innate, like, social experiences. X-D-Randum is back, but you don't put, like, colon three afterwards. It's, like, it's rebuilt from first principles in a new environment, and now this is, like,

what happens. And so I think that now the landscape has changed. So you, like, just to your point about this like astronaut walking like that is now we lost that yeah that's a casualty of war that's a casualty um and it sucks that like i'm not saying that's good i'm just saying it is because i there's nothing that i can do to stop this uh trillion mini trillion dollar market uh from barreling into all of these creative fields but i will shit on it you know like i'll call it out and i'll not stop doing that and i'm not saying it's hopeless and i do think that we should continue to criticize, and I mean, that's why we're talking about this. We're not saying give up. It's just saying that we have to fight the path of least resistance for the

people and institutions in power is going to be replace people, make more money, make more money without asking questions, and we as a society need to create friction and pushback. And it needs to not feel good to use these shortcuts. It needs to be pragmatic. So a friend of mine, funnily enough, he was talking to me recently and gave me an insight I guess I hadn't thought about from a practical point of view, which is maybe the closest case in my mind as to something like this being applicable, which is he works in marketing on a production inside like manufacturing uh uh i'm not saying literally what he was just working on i can't do that but uh manufacturing a demo version of a product right it's like uh this this ad is it's for jack in

the box and the jack's head supposed to bounce out on a spring or something and he's like okay let me build a scrappy version of that so that the the jack in the box dot org or whatever can look at that and the actual man jack can look at it and picture it his big red eyebrows go up or whatever. He was like, ooh, good ed. But it was working with someone and he got like a bad prototype, essentially, on something you need to work on. And the review is pending, the product review is pending. And he was like, well, what I'm going to have to do is use, I'm going to have to use some very common, relatively traditional and old AI tools to adjust the version of the product that they gave me.

He spent a bunch of time, like a ton of time, manually fixing the physical object, and then, like, you know, the varnish of it didn't reflect for it. And that is, for the person, for jack at the box, to them, they cannot understand why or why, like, why you wouldn't just use AI from base. So what they, what the request they get is generate an AI image for us. Right. And then the integrity. of the producers goes like, well, I don't

want to fucking do that from scratch. I want to make something and see the mistakes and adjust for it. Yeah. And then at the end, go like yeah, and then we like vignetted with AI. So your nephew's suggestion that we do something with AI was taken into consideration. Here you go. You fucking idiots.

Wait, there was a recent interview with a TV guy who was asked about Oh my God. I think I saw it. where he was like...

It was the writer or like creator of... The wire. The wire. Oh, that's right. I'll be Shapiro. Lucky. I'll be Simon then. Fine, thanks.

I'll be, um, I'm not a master chief of something. Okay. You can be like Neo-Vigita. Yeah, I'd be like a faster version of Neo. Okay. Impossible. I don't want any pills.

Okay, so you've spent your career creating television without AI. And I could imagine today you thinking, boy, I wish I had had that. tool to solve those thorny little problem what or saying you imagine that boy if i that had existed it would have screwed me over i don't think i can remotely change what writers do at a fundamentally creative level but if you're trying to transition from scene five to scene six and you're stuck with that little transition you can imagine plugging that portion of the script into a i and say give me 10 ideas of how to transition this.

I'd rather put a gun in my mouth. It's so funny to see the interview and be like, I can save this. Yeah, yeah. It's just like, oh, I mean, you know, like this little, I'll just plug it in over here and I'll drink a little thing. Yeah, it's like, I would kill you and myself. I'd rather do a crime.

I was like, right, but, you know, you'd say, oh boy, I, um, what should string a bell do next? Because I, but. Going to generative AI and it's like, um, string a bell. I think that it is such a unfiltered, like, way of communicating how it feels to be a creative, having AI forced down your throat. And I do also believe that we are going to have a market correction with, like, how over AI, like everything has been AI-fied and the- It's a bubble.

And it's like, in AI, I'm actually just referring to mostly, you know, AI and how there are limits like kind of in your artist's example and even in these examples okay now make that exact same face in a different angle yes you know what I mean it's like because it doesn't do like it's not built to work in the way that it's built to like generate and spit out it's not built to work in this type of iterative creative process and even if it was it is built on rotten foundation of stealing from all existing art. That's the constantly ignored problem that it's like none of this is really defensible when that's still a problem as well.

I've tried to give this analogy before and I keep struggling, but I've got a new one. You've got a hammer that it can fix all problems, but it's imbued in it is the souls of every, every builder that's ever lived. and um it sucks their soul it sucks their soul their life force and their ability to build in the way that they've been building but i'm gonna make like a i don't know like a porch okay you know how the fuck am i supposed to make a porch without that one get a regular one get a regular hammer let me ask david chase about it he's shooting me oh wow there's a this is like kind of maybe an older example there's there's something that like because a lot of people also

try and defend with um well it's just for prototyping right which already does not defend against the issue of like you know paying people for their right of making the thing it's based on it's very if a tree falls in a forest yes yeah and it it and we all know that that is not how it's literally being used at like it's like if it just lived in this little place it would still be open a i profiting or these AI profiting off of illegally using Everyone's licensed IP to train their models. In the case of, you know, if you were to contrast scores and soundtracks from the 80s, 90s, early 2000s in a lot of action movies or fantasy stuff especially, if you take like John Williams's entire filmography, you can pretty much come along with every single melody that's in there. then if you start going to the late or early 2010s and onwards you start to notice that things are less and less noticeable and it's because temp tracks became really really common everything at like its first edit uses a temp track from Thor 2

and it's got like yeah just put that in it's just temporary it's whatever and then when the movie actually gets made they're like well we kind of kind of fucking thorn i'll just do something like that i mean it doesn't even matter like what is who even cares about the music It gives a shit. What? They're gonna like the movie? It's just a soundbed, dude. There's nothing that it can, like, evoke emotionally. It's just noise. It's just noise in the background. I was recently listening to an audiobook. I like to listen to audiobooks. Don't come at me. My eyes get tired. That's okay. Ooh, la la, I'm listening.

Yeah, with your eyes closed. That's fucking you, dude. That's you. This is me reading. Where'd you guys go, by the way? I was recently listening to an audiobook and in the... credits portion of the audio book they said this production may not be used to train AI and I thought yeah no productions are supposed to be but like that's not stopping them they're all fucking doing it I'm glad they put that in there yeah but at the same time like tough luck lady well it's like yeah because it's just like there are licenses that exist creative licenses and those licenses describe the ways in which your media can be used with or without permission.

And they, it's one of those things where it's like, well, we have so much money that it's cheaper to just pay the Avengers of lawyers to just win the lawsuit and pay a small phone. And, you know, whatever little production that made the audiobook, they don't have a ton of lawyers to be like coming after people. You have to pay for the enterprise version of chat GPT in order to have it not train on your usage of it. So if you put any, so if you were to use chat GPT for like your work and then you put in your own copyrighted stuff, they could take that and be like, actually, we own that. It's kind of like when, you know, you post on a platform that says that they own everything that you post there. It is funny to like, for that caveat to be included, because if it's not a problem that everything is replicating your stuff, then why would I pay to solve that problem?

Like, no, it's okay. It's like a, it's useful. We're building a database of ideas. We're developing this platform. If you give us money, we won't use yours. It's like, well, we got to continue improving our money. And it's like, it makes sense, right? Like, if you post on Facebook, your posts on Facebook might be used to make Facebook.

Facebook better, right? It's like the same concept, but that's just assuming that everyone's operating above board and we know that Open AI isn't because if you, we're not in the, I mean, you could try to log in. So Sora's invite only, and I think they did this for two reasons. What is Sora? My understanding is it's kind of like what if TikTok was just Gen AI videos. Just to save time, we're just jumping past it getting there. Right. And we saw we got a new one that just is already. It is like literally like the jingling keys machine.

Like it's like, because you joke that TikTok is just that. But it's like, no, no, no. This is just noise. This is like, I'll be like 80 years old. And they'll be like, yeah, we strap him to like an inner, we strap his brain to like an entertainment stimulator to make sure that he's like happy. Yeah. It's like a dog dreaming. Look, he's smiling.

And there's like, there's two calipers that are keeping your mouth corners up. Look how happy he is. People have been posting the videos. Do we want to watch a couple? Yes, we do. Jake Paul's been posting. Let's start with him. He's a favorite of ours.

So he allowed his likeness to be used on store. And I bet you almost anything that it has a, like, a layer of stopgap where it's like, I need to remove any likenesses that we're not allowed to have. Because it already knows who Tom Cruise is. I guarantee fucking T you that. And it's also like, we're not going to use the likenesses of anyone X. famous and above. Oh, yeah.

Like everything, if you went on and you were like, well, that's my fucking face. That is my face. I got it. Remember when Grock image generation started and everybody was like generating all these images of like famous figures and stuff? It's like, I feel like that just passed us by

because it was just, because we just live in such a hellscape that it's like, oh yeah, okay, well. I was January. We were on Amazon the other day just walking around, you know, Jeff? And I came across

You know, a classic Amazon product with 15 tags in the name. Summer, winter, always good for halftime, friend, forever. And they're all shirt, pants, legs. They're all companies. They're all pants, they calm legs. Scoologosh. Pro Moose. Boose gas.

But the, uh, JuGos. The photo. Jugoz 3,000 pro food clothes. The photo on it of this, it was, it was for a costume wig. The photo is someone we know. It's someone we know. It's not an AI generate. It is a photo of them.

That did, that does happen. And apparently it happens to this person quite often, but it doesn't matter because if they report it, that version of the product goes down and then one of the other thousand ones all from, yeah, pro-gas. Didn't that happen recently with Luigi? Oh, yeah. Being a Sheen model.

Sheehan used AI to put Luigi Mangioni in some of their clothes for it on their website. That's wild. And honestly, the shirt sold. like gangbusters. It's orange jumpsuit. That's such an interesting, like, who is that person, right? Like, what does their political compass look like? It's like a bunch of different opposing things that, like, lead them right to the center.

What do you, what do you care about? Yeah. It's like, it's like Campbellton talking to Aaron Burry, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? He punched the Burr, sir. So in Silicon Valley, money comes last because everyone is doing a big, like, 100, X gamble. So it's like if we can capture the market, if we can capture a user base, then these

things have value, even though, even if they don't make money. You're lending against an idea, basically. And by the way, Open AI is just too big to fail. Like, it's just got so much funding. It's got such a high valuation. It's like going to take a lot, I think, for a Titan like that to fall, you know. And it was only a few short years. ago that it was a non-profit.

Well, now, I mean, you know, still doing good work to support some... Anyway, the big thing is, journalists and people we know, and I, without, you know, revealing my sources, people I know, I've seen a lot of close friend's stories of SORA videos of, like, Pikachu and some people, their likeness. in the video and then being like, oh, this was interesting. Like, even people who were like in the beta going, I don't know, guys, this one might be a bridge too far. Well, just wait until they allow the erotic content.

Wait until they go horny mode or whatever he said. Leave Pikachu alone. I would say that that's trodden ground. I was going to say that. I think low punny has been through enough. Yeah. When they go low puny, we go high. No puny tended, yeah.

On Nintendo. Low puny tended. Noses of bleeding Oh man What the fuck? Oh Oh my God The fuck

I just opened the link that was in the dog Oh what I Is that the one with the I thought you had one of you showed me a different one Yeah I had one Hold on let me just Is this why you'll vegan That's actually crazy because it's like the Mark Zuckerberg

Grilling Meets video but it's Sam Altman And he's grilling A beloved rat A beloved fictional thing So this is actually a historical foot. Yeah, by the way, the caption, can I just say? The caption is, my new favorite trend in the SORA app is putting Pikachu in every movie. This is saving private Pikachu.

Always the least inspired people in the world. Always the most like creatively bankrupt people going Hollywood should be scared. Oh, they're shaking in their boots when they see the reboot of a movie I don't have access to. What exactly is the thing that Hollywood should be worried about? Is it that like the next Ryan Reynolds Detective Pikachu movie is not going to be able to take place on D-Day? Oh, no, they've taken that from us. Let's hear him out.

This might not be Pikachu. He only has one ear. He only has one ear. Let's see. He's holding his gun backwards. Private Pikachu has not been... Private Pikachu's a moron, and I pray that he dies. But let's see what happens.

Oh, I guess he wouldn't use his... I'm sorry, I didn't know it made sound also. That really did throw me. Why did he even need a gun? Yeah, he has his little electric shock. Well, it doesn't, you know, I'm going to put the blame on the prompter for that. Yeah, that might be a missed shot. Oh, this is AI.

Yeah. You thought those was real? It just looks like, like they'd make this movie, right? So Hollywood should be shaking in their boot. The number one thing wrong with this is Private Ryan wasn't in this scene. Matt Damon isn't in D-Day. And so we had a conversation about this. You have to stop saying the biggest problem.

Yes. And then taking issue with something that happened in a movie because you've seen all of the movies. You know everything that happened. And you're saying this clip is the worst thing about D-Day. Yeah. I don't agree. I think that is probably a whole thing. To stop.

Well. What's the, actually, no, very funny joke. What, uh, who's this from? Just, Justine Moore. Justine Moore. Venture twins? I think this is not the person who made this, but this is someone who found it. Well, no, they're saying their favorite thing is putting it in there.

Yeah, so I'm just wondering what their vibe is. Are they a tech professional? Yeah, look at usually the, yeah, there we go. Partnering A16AI, yeah, there we go. Oh my God, investor in 11 labs, the voice, the voice thing. Look, I'm not trying to blow up this person's spot. I've worked with A16Z in the past, but it was at a different time. Wow, it's just like, I sometimes I look at this stuff and I just see like a life I could have lived.

You know what I mean? The Sith path. There was a time, like, this is like maybe 2012, 2013. I would hit up A16Z and I would like look at their portfolio companies and like where I might want to work. Oh, dude, my dream about one point in time would be to have a. stack of at with that vertical line separator between my personal life and my work thing um so anyway uh no disrespect to this individual but they do represent uh uh a big investor company um that's also investing in a lot of these AI companies so of course uh i would not i'm not surprised by their

opinion on this trend and yet again part of what we're calling out is that it is embarrassing that's i don't know it always feels like there's always like a dialect problem between the two different conversations like we personally opposition is is much more tailored towards what this is taking away like what what opportunities this is taking away from people what industries this is reducing the uh employment for and then we're getting the kind of the counter argument or like the demonic nature of it kind of you know taking away the value of something like stop motion or taking away the value of something like storyboarding or creative music ideas

because path of least resistance is always going to be to just generate it and the downstream effect of that is people not getting to do that craft, not being employed so and so. And then the counter argument is like, well, this is the most optimal way to do it. I'm like, what did you think we were saying? Also, it was never the argument.

There is arguably little to no utility in an app like Sora. It is like normally when, products are created, they're meant to like serve a market need, but it's almost, we're going to jingle a bunch of different keys and someone's going to like one of the keys and hopefully that softens your opinion on generative AI or or it is laundering the brand, not the, it's not a product. Spoiler alert. Coming out probably next week, myself and Jacob on the ones and two, is we made a video about the friend AI amulet, the cursed amulet. The cursed amulet. The cursed amulet.

the cursed amulet with a shoestring which is the necklace you can um we talked about that and one of the things that it kind of leaping out is this is an uh it's it's homeopathic medicine essentially or it is like it's speculative

medicine where it's saying hey we've made this so that if it happens to have an application that helps we made the friend AI amulet so it's a solution in Church of a problem.

It's like, well, what, wait, but I already had like, you know, I guess I could talk to Siri or tragedy BT or any of these things. It's like, right, yeah. It's like a tech demo. It's like something that like, it's either a tech demo or like, like sort of laundering just general perception of AI because there's going to be enough clips that are like, oh, this is kind of cool or oh, this is somewhat novel. And it's like if you can generate a hundred million of those clips,

there's got to be a few that do something that excite some neurons in someone's brain. When the initial trends of Gen. AI were coming out, like, kind of before the wave of criticism, it's like it would be, it would actually kind of remind me of the source stuff

because it'd be like, hey, look, there's this app where you can plug in your picture and then it makes your, it puts your face in a yearbook photo and show like that. Like, it's just like... Look, you're in Dragon Bowl. Yeah, it's just like super like novel or it's like a funny filter it's like we like you would share on Facebook back in the day oh there's this funny filter that you can apply to your face and make it

look black and white or make it look cartoonified or whatever and it's just like because we talk about this stuff I feel like I need to be informed about like I don't have the desire to generate anything with Torah but I do want to consume and see like what actually is like observe right but um oh the other thing I was going to say is like maybe the other thing I can think is that it could be a hedge towards, oh, this is like, if people watch TikTok, if we can create something that also just keeps people's attention on it for a while, then you can start putting ads in front of it. Because capturing attention becomes the marketable thing, and you don't start with ads

because you haven't even proved that you can get the attention. So it's hard to even sell the ads. But once you've proved, like, this happens to everything. that become successful, they go, oh, okay, well, now we found the audience. How do we turn this audience and intrigue into money? Yeah. But opening eye has a lot of different ways that they're doing that, but I just think the SORA thing is like such a, they didn't even have the guardrails that GROC had when, well, after

GROC initially launched, and then they were like, okay, you're, you guys are putting the president into too many situations. We're going to, we're going to, we're going to make it so you can't do that anymore. Free speech and expression, and so we don't do that one place. Yeah. But I do wonder, like, where is the line going to be? When is the bubble going to burst?

When does this stop? Truthfully, what I think happens, because the bubble bursting, if we're talking about traditional industry way of describing that, is that big bubble burst, big crash, Sam Altman's in trouble. Sam Altman's never in trouble. He's floating above all of it.

When we talk really the bubble bursting is going to be when a bunch of industries overindex on using this, right? Like, like, with the example of the temp tracks example, right? It's going to get super super overutilized. And then five years from now, when a bunch of projects that were built largely or entirely by products like this, when they come out, maybe find some initial success and then a sequel that comes out and no one fucking watches it.

Or when a streaming project drops and it. It gets way less impact. It's not because, like, initially, people aren't going to click to it. They're going to go like, oh, okay, new boss baby spin-off or whatever, and they watch it. And then you don't need to have cinematic language education or media literacy or whatever you want to call it to feel something. Yeah, people know when something's good or bad. You don't know, watch it and just be like, I just don't care. Like something's, you know, a little kid.

We'll know when something isn't working for them because it just, everyone can smell cynicism and everyone can smell like disingenuous stories, right? And that's why, you know, you could say from an outside observer, you could be like, yeah, all the minion movies are animations and so is Toy Story 2. And it's like, yes, but Toy Story 2 resonates with people in a way that the minion movies don't. It's not that those ones are worse on some kind of like cosmic level. It's just that they weren't made with an emotional mission. And that's art, right? Like theme subtly or the theme in subtext. That's the part that lands with you.

You could easily call like Turning Reds a movie about what if you were panda. It's like, yeah, that would be kind of crazy. But people love that movie instead of liking it because some part of them resonates with it, even if they don't get why that's happening. I got access to Sora. Oh, my techno. Redo the episode. My techno cabal has responded to me and hit me with a code.

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All right. Let's see what we see when we hit start watching. Price is right. Oh, it's price is right. You just won yourself. Does that mean Drew Carey opted in? I don't think it does. No.

I don't think he did. No, no way. That's wild. That's what I'm saying. That just means Drew Carey is not going to get the money because he didn't opt in. But they'll make a thing where like a YouTube content ID where you can say, hey, I'm Drew Carey. And then they'll be like, here's all the Drew Carey likenesses.

And maybe you can claim it later. That's my, that's like how YouTube does it. Whereas like you upload your videos and it's like, oh, these things are using your IP. So I'm like, I would imagine if they did tag it as possible. Subly Drew Carey, they can later say, you know, do you. Is this going on nights? Well, we'll talk more about it on nights. Let's watch some of these because we haven't watched any of them yet.

Okay. You know, you're seeing a lot of AI videos on TikTok that are not necessarily labeled as AI. Definitely. One of the first ones that I think got some people that I know is the bunnies jumping on the tramp. Oh, yeah. And this one- This got sent to me for sure. sure and I said my mom sent this to me 25 million likes and you know obviously like it's it's

pretty convincing obviously if you're not looking that closely if you're looking on your phone it looks like a it's also so short it doesn't give you a lot to it's really short and it's like it's it's a little like in trying to think this is maybe a weird comparison but in rogue one they recreate a character from the original style of his face fully CG character and it looks Tarkin

Yeah, Grandma Tarkin is pretty convincing When he is on the Death Star It's okay, he's too glossy But when he's on the Death Star And the lighting is extremely low Yes And A it's an environment that you don't personally experience A.k.a a nest cam does not look like the human eye

It also allows you to be lower res And low-res, lower lighting, high contrast, like all these things that are easier to generate, that look less realistic by design. Like, it's easier to make convincing GoPro footage, because GoPro footage is naturally all warped and weird and wonky. Yeah, the bear on the swing, I think, was another one that's probably AI. There have been several videos of, yeah, like ring cameras that have been posted on TikTok. Yeah. Oh, this, yeah, like this one's a little easier to tell.

but they put a ring watermark on it like that's kind of crazy um so it has like the ring watermark it has sort of that wide angle yeah ov of the door that it's already distorted it doesn't have to look perfect yeah the light like you'd have to stop and go like okay wait yeah there's no motivated lighting like under it it's the quality of the lighting is different than the quality of lighting the car but then it's how long is the fucking clip it's like nine seconds I'm only You see that because I'm looking for it. We said this years ago, I feel, like, with the, like the Will Smith Spaghetti test, right? Like, one issue I had is the people used to laugh about how bad the AI is.

And I was like, yes, yes, but also this is the worst it will ever be. Yeah. And it's like getting to the point where it's genuinely fooling our friends. Like, every now and again, you know, in like group chats we're in, our friends will share something and we'll be like, oh, hey, actually. Yeah. And they'll be like, ah, dang. And it's like, I have to...

That's not Pikachu. And a lot of times I'm not catching it with my first glance. I have to catch myself going like, am I looking at something that is real? But even now, like, we're kind of slowly starting to see, hey, when I see a nest cam video... Never going to trust one of those again. That is now infected with the cordyceps fungus. You know, that forever, I now have to double check. And that for Ghibli style animation, that for stop motion.

It's like, we can pretend that people will have a discerning enough eye, but every single time somebody shares something like this with a family member and then they're embarrassed when they find out that it's AI is one more little eroding notch against like people's confidence in anything. And this is, I hate to bring it up, but it's like in 1984. You know, it's like you do, wait, what? Yeah, it's like. You read this? It's like George Carlin's 1985. It's George of the jungle It's George of the jungle

It's George Costanza's 1999 I'm being surveilled Gary No but There's cameras, it's a panopticon But like we are Quickly approaching The question of what our eyes are showing us And what is truth

And what how do we verify The things that we know are true Theory of Knowledge, right? It's so much easier to manipulate people if they have no idea what to trust. And you want to believe. Like, it is nicer for that funny video to be real. I would like that.

And there are levels to this shit. Like, yes, it's funny to laugh at the, like, the Facebook moms or whatever, getting tricked by stuff or resharing things that are obviously AI. The wider pictures of this. But how funny is it when your freaking 26-year-old, like, friend or, like, roommate shares the thing with you and you go, oh, hey, actually. And it's like, we are. this is someone who I'm no longer saying this person is not like me, this person doesn't have the experiences I have that have made me more vigilant

and aware of these things. This is a person who's quite similar to myself. And now my friends are getting fooled. And now we're having to question like so much about what we see around us. NES cams, I think about the implications for like body camera footage. Yes, yes. And in crime and just like and not even. Like falsifying evidence or whatever and it's like that's like in that's like, you know, I wouldn't put it past the realm of possibility, but in the more immediate term, I think about

dominating a narrative. Yeah. Like influencing public opinion. Influencing, that's exactly what I'm, yes, that's a perfect way to put it. Like influencing public opinion, if you can create a very compelling way to discredit someone or cause. or dominate public discourse with a bunch of misinformation, that is in the palm of our hands today. One of the big reasons of that works, too, is like, you know, as depressing an idea as this is,

is really all anybody wants is to feel calm, right? You ultimately are always going to have a confirmation bias towards the road of the path of least resistance. And so when people kind of willingly go along with the first article that they're served, it's usually because the first article is going to reinforce their most comfortable answer, at least the one that challenges them the least. And it's completely fair, right? If you'd rather be pinched or punched, you choose pinch, because it feels less bad. I'm not going to pretend that I am vigilant enough to always triple check my source on something that I already really

strongly believe. Oh my God. If somebody, if, you know, weird example, but like, I remember when, I don't even know if I want to... I remember when... It's been... I remember what I was... You know, I learned about a story and then instantaneously was served the funniest or at least most absurd possible detail for it.

And I had a few different things. The first reaction I had was that's too absurd to entertain. Then I saw a take on it that was this is why that wouldn't possibly be true too absurd to entertain. and then I put the story away I went like well confirmed

that's one less thing for me to think about because it's nice for me to not think about it I learned a week later it was completely true but I got the nice little convenient moment of like really not like to have another thing to think about and if this yeah like I oh man I really kind of know if I was someone that was like I really really do kind of trust the police though

and it kind of scares me if they're actually really bad people Well, there's that song, like, trust the police. This song's fun. Yeah, yeah. Hi, Tom McDonald. I'm 2,000 years old, and I've never heard a hip-hop song before. But your latest track, Trust the Police, really connected with me. Thanks, hangover, gang.

I think that there's also something that, you know, if there's something that we can end on, um, it is something that I try to do, and I'm not perfect at it. But I have a different boundary for what I will allow into my subconscious as knowledge versus what I will communicate externally as knowledge and so it's like I've definitely found myself about to share something and then go let me double check that's actually real let me get through you know what I mean like because like where did I did that come from a play that is it something I experienced okay it's probably true or it's true to my experience oh is it something I saw online okay well was it a parody

account was it a am I misremembering something that happened you know like that's why we can what's why we don't comment on YouTube videos because we I also, you know, Jarvis, you're actually not wearing sweatpants. Yeah. I've kind of changed my own personal policy reposting stuff. And to be honest, I just kind of do it very sparingly. I've become so much less of a poster in the recent years.

Because I kind of feel like, all right, let's Google this. Let's do some research. Where's what's the source of this information? Okay. Okay, is there an interview of a person? like what are we looking at here like people sometimes use social media to relieve personal tension that they're feeling maybe like something's got them feeling a certain way and they want to share about it and like that can be valuable totally understandable

totally understandable but it is also the secondary like the second layer of defense where you're like am i contributing to something or who is this for or you know it's like i think so much of what I post in small, confined internet spaces, like your stories and your tweets of the world, is just shitposts, just jokes. And it's like, if you want to hear me talk a long form about something, it's like you can, the podcast is like a place where we actually can have like a substantive conversation with nuance. And be wrong sometimes. Sure. Which is, I mean, that's the playing off tempo element a little bit, right? Like I've, yeah, that's the nature of being human. We're not AI. I'm a little above that.

You're a little bit better than me and Jarvis and Jacob. A little more than, a little above human. Sorry, can we, can we watch this other one that you posted, Anastasia? Sora too just, dude, this type of posting is also going to be the first thing to, the first wall to fall with AI. Because you sound like a fucking bot, bro. Like, like a bot could do this. Every single time. Topic sentence.

Uh, mine just got below industry destroyed by new technology. In the internet broken. Additional context. Uh, brats. Soar it and then hold on, can you go to this person's bio? Again, no disrespect to the individual. I just want to know what they're, ah, yes. Okay, great.

It is always an AI accelerationist. God, I love leveraging. I love leveraging. Dude, I just, love to leverage. I just see how I could have fallen into this. You know what I mean? Oh my God, this is your sliding doors moment of like, what would my life have been? This shit, dude, seriously, this is.

is the professional version of how much more embarrassing my life would have been if I had Instagram at an age where I would have been posting my most embarrassing shit. Posting like, you know, every time we would put an aim, a bio being lyrics from something embarrassing, imagine that, except it's on your story, it's on your grid. You're posting that to way more people than would like, you know, quickly read your bio or something. Imagine you're on a public discord server, dude. Kid should not be allowed to go on.

They shouldn't be around. We've got to get rid of them, man. Hold on. Wait, hold on. Write that quote. Kids shouldn't be allowed to go on. They shouldn't be allowed to go on. My heart will go on.

Children should not be allowed to. He must be stopped. I'm like a super anti-natalist. Okay, so Mario. I love Mario. You know where I would love to see him? In space. Star Wars.

Mario already went to space, by the way. He like went to space quite a bit. Yeah, he like went to space. He ran on a bunch of planets. The guy's a real talent. Didn't need a ship. I thought this was Dr. Mario because of the coat.

And then I realized she was in the glasses. But now I realize he's a Jedi. He's wearing, he's wearing Obi-Won's iconic goggles. Nice to Luigi wearing his iconic green hat and not some other accoutrement. Do we know what his hair looks like under there? We do, right?

Yeah, I think we do. We've seen it. He's balding. All right, let's see. His monk's hair coat. Mama-mea, that's no moon. It's a battle station big enough to swallow us whole. then let's make sure it doesn't everyone ready ready locking on the vent beach cover our tail

i got it trying to keep in trouble wait why darth vader and not bowser because bowser's in the darth vader costume they just like sized it perfectly i also i want to point up maybe my favorite thing in the whole a clip in which i love in general uh when it cuts to i guess yoshi's supposed to be chubaka but he's just don't look at he's in love also don't think all start talking over each other to start like can you just play this again mama me that's no moon it's a battle station big enough to swallow us whole

then let's make sure it doesn't everyone ready ready rocking on the bench cover our tail I've got it try and keep mama me try and keep dude I'm upset limit to the length of clip you can have because it 10 seconds

it is 10 seconds but starring Mario and friends this this guy have like oh he's on a roll look at this oh my god then we meet it Yo, she's the funniest part again. Huge. We're Mario and Luigi.

Jake is what we do. Tomorrow, the whole valley will hear our... It's like the person that said 100% parody, like doesn't know what that word means. Titanic but starring Mario... By the way, this is why Hollywood needs to watch out. Why is he so tall? I'm like, I'm glad we both thought about that. This is like uncanny valley Mario.

He's all leg tall, too. He's like you. Okay. Okay, watch out Hollywood. Wait, you have a mustache. No, but it's a not me. Wait a second. It's a different guy.

That was Mario, but he's the dad from a boss baby slash Eddie Brubach. All right, we got to get out of here. Yeah, let's get out of it. I can't. Can I show you one that I fell for? Yes. By the way, Jacob, how very vulnerable of you. Yeah.

That's the type of vulnerability we do here on this podcast. I'm no perfect. person, which is a different podcast that doesn't, I don't have anything else. Shout out Miles. I mean, that's why you didn't get to go on it with us. I did get fooled by an AI video. I mean, I'm sure I have and I just didn't know. It's, it's, it's, um, blast its head off.

The ladies, that just explodes. And she was like, oh, no. I'm scared already. Oh, my. Oh, my. Oh, my. Oh, my. Okay.

Nothing. Ha-ha-ha. Get her up. Get her up. She laughing. It's, it's getting. Getting safer to just assume that everything you see is fake, unless it's verified. It's such an unfun way to interact with the world to just have to stifle any laughs because they might be an inappropriate laugh.

Like, well, oh, I failed at being online. I failed at entertainment. Damn. Well, it's like you let your guard down, especially when you're like scrolling in the, dude, I, the most embarrassing thing I do every single day is close Twitter and open up Twitter again. Yeah, I do that with Instagram all. Yeah, it's so horrible. I wish that's what I was doing. I'm closing Balatro and reopen.

And it's not even on my homepage. I have to find a search for it. But the thing that I actually, I feel good about is I played some Magic the Gathering yesterday, and then I closed it, and then I watched some Magic the Gathering. Hell yeah, bro. And that felt enriching for my brain. Genre switch. Because I do a thing where I'm, like, watching someone play, and then I pause, and then I try to guess what play they're going to do. Because they're usually better than me, so I'm trying to, like, improve my...

You're a snow day jeopardy watching. Oh, yeah. Do we want to end on a heartwarming thing and that way we can get the AI taste out of our mouth? That's a great point because the video of the bunnies bouncing on the trampoline reminded me of a real video that I saw, but maybe this is AI.

Okay, now I'm scared. Now I'm scared. I don't think this is AI. Jacob, you've been fooled before. I know. I could be wrong. No, no, no. Okay, I wanted to show you a clip that came across my feed. You looked like you needed a laugh.

I was wondering where dogs come from. They call out of this hole. Don't scroll if you need a laugh. I love when a video tells me not to scroll. Stop. Don't scroll if you need a laugh. Hey, check this out. This is a video I saw that told me to not scroll if I need a laugh.

Oh, don't scroll if you need a laugh. This is a, yeah, this is in the Midlands in English. Oh my gosh. She's putting so much work in. He's very dense boy if we Oh, shaking himself off He's all He's all

He's all Don't be careful Yeah, watch out, buddy No, no, no He longed for the mind He was deliberate, right? This dog loves the hole He wants to be in the hole

He's a bro My dad has a English bulldog named Cleo And she's very cute Found her in a hole She would definitely fall in a hole All right one more Keep going

They really don't have the hardware for being in a hole. What are these holes? I got the whole thing on video. Oh, dude. Oh, he's frowning. She said, she said, I used all my might to get him out. Come on. The first time.

Oh, dude, another, another athletics role. And this time, he needs a leash on that. Maybe he's having fun. He looks kind of, well. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's what they said. So dense. Brother, please.

What if he came out the other one? Who is putting these holes everywhere? I mean somebody that's, I guess, hunting bulldogs? They need a third person who's not filming to immediately wrangle him. How did they not have a leash anywhere nearby for this dog? Maybe they just found it. Maybe he grew out of the hole. I must go back to my family.

Thank you for your help. I'll return to the dog hole. I'll return to my dog. I shall fetch you a reward from my coffers. Dogs are dinting animals, so it makes sense that you'd find solace in a hole. He lives with badges. I didn't imagine the shame. I actually, I don't think there's any AI in that.

No, I don't. And I... Also, all of the audio feels so human. Yeah. I used all my mic getting him out of the first time. I used all my mic getting him out. I got the whole thing on video. So cute.

He must like being in the hole. Yeah, that's right. It's not a screenplay enough. because everything that's scripted by AI reads like a Josh Whedon script just like so we're really falling on the hole again well that's the thing I want to see more of the well I we're gonna see it on nights I guess hope you had a good time hope you had a fun time hope you thought about some stuff and hope you laughed about some stuff we and every have a sort of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're sorry and thank you to

Anastasia and Jacob I don't think you guys enough oh thank you I'll keep you humble um I'm pretty sure I could take Jordan in a fight. I don't even know I this was like so nothing to me leave the comment how no pointing at him is not going to save you so cat blames the dog and then someone said make it family guy style doesn't look family guy just like a family guy background and then what is this one there's so many

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