Sad Boyz - Pen Palz Spectacular

Episode Date: May 7, 2018

Today is a special day in Sad Boyz history. We're doing a mailbag episode! We've gotten a bunch of pen palz lately, so we thought we'd spend a topic reading some. We discuss mental health, finding your market in the creative space, and naturally video games. Also in this episode, the boyz become radio shock jocks, we discuss their upcoming birthday plans and Jordan goes on a SUCCESSFUL DATE???? also we spend one minute discussing kanye

Pen Pals. I'm gonna hit the mark. Pen Pals. Pen Pals. Welcome to 405 in the morning. It's your host. Do you think you could sincerely run a popular podcast with our demographic with those voices?

Welcome to the Sad Boys on 103.10 Sad. I'm your host, Jarvis the Douche. Introducing Lasers. And I'm Dig Dong Billy Bob. 547.fm Is this all of the affectation in the voice? It's so funny. I have that reference in my mind.

I have that voice. And for the life of me, I don't think I've ever listened to an actual show like that. Yeah, I know. I don't think they... They must exist. They do exist. I have that voice and for the life of me I don't think I've ever listened to an actual show like that. I don't think they must exist. They do exist. I've heard them for sure. Welcome back to 547 FM. Bing bong and the whiz. It's the whiz here at 504

forgot the number FM. This is the radio station where we talk about feelings. With a couple of sounds and then you'll play like, Yeah, and just like a lot of like, and then like a, Oh my God.

Whoa. And you're sure that this will increase listenership? I think that our demographic is like a big fan of the radio. Predominantly suburban dads, yeah. Right. No, wait. Millennials, they're not into the radio anymore? Oh, wait, we didn't think this

through oh god we don't have much tape left we're just gonna have to keep this as the opening yeah we do record on tape oh crap okay that's fine we'll stick with it we'll just yeah we could just do uh like sing some of the old eight track sounds i'll be there i'll be there That was Michael Jackson on Bing Bong and the Wiz He's back 547.fm I can't believe he's alive, that was live in the studio That was him Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also

I'm Jarvis And I'm Jordan, the newspaper boy cope What's the news? The news is that today's episode is going to be a little bit different Whoa I'm bringing a mail bag, Jarvis I got a big old bag of pen pals just for you wow you have a bunch of physical mail did you now hold on uh you have a bag of mail and it it looks like you hand transcribed with crayon yeah emails that people sent us just so that you could put them into a mailbag correct

so that i may read them i see because you couldn't read them from your computer. Oh, see, that would have worked as well. Oh, this is embarrassing. Do you like the drawings that I did too? Because I did a couple. Let me just get a... Let me just... Yeah, yeah.

What do you think? It's you. Well, it's pretty indecipherable. But the hair. Take a look at that. Yeah, yeah, he's bald. No hair. Just a normal stick figure. Yep.

But look what it says underneath. My best friend. Uh-huh. Yeah. And now you say? Today we have a very special episode. We're going to be doing pen pals. Yeah, sure.

I mean, why not? I mean, we're here with the microphone so it's a mailbag episode it's a mailbag episode so we have gotten a lot of pen pal submissions from you all and we thought it would be fun if we just took the uh the topic section of an episode and answered a bunch of them caught up on a little bit of our correspondence. Jarvis, I've never listened to Sad Boys before because why would I? This is my first episode. What the hell is a pen pal? Well, Jordan, I'm glad you asked. Pen Pals is a segment that we do every week on our show where we hear from our listeners. How do they do that though? That doesn't make sense. I can't see any of them. I'm looking, Jarvis. I'm looking for listeners. Well, they've sent us emails and tweets and dms

oh whoa how do audio messages they send us messages via sad boys pod at gmail.com they send us messages via twitter at sad boys pot they send us messages i don't know just like cosmically right yeah so we're a third eye yeah that we share yeah we have half of a third eye wait sorry no we just have two eyes each and we. We each have half of a third eye. We each have half of a third eye, yeah. Wait, sorry, no. We just have two eyes each and we stand together and say it's a third. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know that does sound like what we actually do. And they've also submitted them via our brand new website, sadboyspod.com. Yeah, I don't think there's ever been two human beings as excited as we are to receive a contact form submission. Yeah, yeah. to receive a contact form submission yeah yeah i i think that the contact us page on sadboyspod.com is the only time anyone has ever submitted a contact us form i wasn't sure what was gonna happen i think a server somewhere in the uh like in the white house covered in dust just spinning up it's like the brave little toaster joey joey are you still there and he's like i haven't heard that name in 40 years we've received a new contact form submission it hurts i'm gonna

try to wear out my processors for you new submission we've heard you far and wide and today we're just gonna talk to you a bit we're catching up we're diving in so uh jarvis you haven't heard some of these. I believe we've... I should explain. In some cases, we have chatted with the person back and forth, and I just wanted to share their message as they requested we talk about certain things or they requested that we share things with the audience. In other cases, these are messages you haven't seen at all.

Right. So these are the fresh Jarvis eyes on a few of these. Yeah, and this is like many episodes of Sad Boys an experiment because we really like to engage the community and try out different, you know, formats for the show. Yeah, and we're fortunate enough now to actually be receiving quite a few messages. So we thought it'd be a good opportunity to just dive in, clean out the mailbox a little bit, hang with our buddies. But before we do exactly that, Jarvis, you know what time it is. 5.12pm. Yep. Cool. No follow-ups. All right. No, Jarvis, come on, man. You know what time it is. It 12 p.m yep cool no follow-ups all right all right no Jarvis come on man you know

what time it is it's time for a little bit of talking about the week okay we always talk about our week yeah I don't maybe we don't this time I mean do you want to know about my week you know I mean you asked me and now you're now you're already sad that I asked you about your well it was an interesting week for me uh that's not how okay i'll go i'll go first we were talking about that a couple days ago maybe it was on the episode maybe it wasn't we were talking about how uh in a kanye song he specifically posits that somebody's calling him an asshole when nobody was yeah and now a lot of people are oh yeah yeah so for so for context in a song uh kanye west has a conversation with himself

where he says he persecutes himself where he's like you can kiss my whole ass more specifically you can kiss my asshole and it's like kanye no one was asked when you said kiss my whole ass no one said uh but kanye specifically where i mean i certainly reduced my anxiety it's like there's so many choices yeah there are some more specifically i got a notepad but now you know kanye's in the news again and for not a good reason uh yeah kanye did a bad thing kanye said some bad stuff that we won't get into today yeah we're not going to talk about what he said but we don't support it and he's done bad and i've unfollowed him on twitter uh but we would gladly talk about it

if he wanted to DM us to talk about it in detail. We can be the final authority on that. Yeez, give us a shout. I would still have him on the show. I would have him on the show, mostly because... Grill him. Yeah, yeah.

Set him straight like a nice pair of dads. That's what you... I mean, it's like when you have family members who go completely off the deep end politically, it feels like it's the moral imperative is to sit down with them and try to explain where you're coming from and why they might be crazy. Yeah, Anthony Fantano, famous internet melon, said that he is not left wing or right wing. He's just Kanye wing. This is just a tactful move on his part to get press before his next single drops.

It's just an interesting thing to say yeah he's so like narcissistic and self-serving that nothing is sacred to him and there he doesn't have perspective i have this weird complex and i wonder if you do as well magazine yeah i have this weird issue of complex magazine it's all about yeezy and his relationship with donald jay um no I had this this weird complex when it comes to the way I perceive celebrities especially musicians that I have or will or currently admire where I assume that they're also well-adjusted people yeah like well you're famous and talented so you're probably also informed no no if you've been famous for the last 10 years

you haven't learned anything in the last 10 years you've been in a bubble for a decade you haven't had anyone challenging you or yeah calling you out on your shit the world is a cartoon nothing is real everything is fabricated you are just a part of an ongoing fabrication machine yeah he's not right wing he's nothing he's just mad yeah he yeah god you just like lack self-awareness yeah um so that was the kanye minute i feel like that's affecting both of our weeks yeah that was our week yeah the kanye minute other than that um westgate other than that my week has been good uh felt very productive um at work which is cool you think of a source for that or just out of nowhere uh it's mostly it's mostly just like taking on new responsibilities at work and and finally coming out of a transition for that or just out of nowhere uh it's mostly it's mostly just like taking on new

responsibilities at work and and finally coming out of a transition and into more action yeah i mean you've talked about it on video yeah you are transitioning to more of a managerial role that is correct yeah so uh it just um not to spend much time on it because it's like not something i uh will be discussing too much in my content on the internet but um transition is going well and i'm like finding my footing um and i'm excited about um ways i can contribute so that's just been feeling good because you you know when you feel like you're contributing at work it's like a good i've heard about that yeah yeah me myself has not i've not experienced it but i've heard that it's great yeah um and other than that uh so youtube stuff

has been going well though today i am having quite a bit of like writer's blockiness and like feeling a little bit off kilter uh when was the last time you were able to get into flow creative flow state um probably probably last week working on um my last youtube video and it's just been a little bit of a flow deficit since then. Well, I don't get a chance to work on creative stuff every single day. Um, so it's really just, I haven't sat down to write in a week and I sat down to write today and it like just wasn't flowing. Yeah.

I feel you. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's, that's a bit of a bummer. And then that kind of, um, I will get get i will put like a pressure on myself where i feel like i've given myself this window of time um and it's the weekend and i need to produce sure and i'm like and i get anxious because i'm like saturday is drawing to a close and i haven't produced anything yet we were chatting actually uh last night just before we were recording on a saturday afternoon um we were chatting on friday about how some really positive

things have been happening with your creative projects lately but your expectations of yourself are always one percent above the positive things that happen to you yeah so right now you're in a position where you're creating uh for a long time you're producing two videos a week yeah and at the very least producing one video a week and the thing is even when i started producing one video a week it wasn't a thing that i was doing permanently it was just like oh hey i've managed to produce one video a week before that it was like a video every two weeks a video like here and there every month but that that uh attaining that goal is always one notch less impressive than your body needs it to be yeah yeah like the jarvis from two months ago is in

awe of what's happening right now and the jarvis of yesterday is like tick tock tick where where's the next video my dude come on baby block unblock that block, yeah. So that's basically my week up till today. I went to a cafe with some of our friends to get some writing done. I didn't do any writing, but I definitely am getting onto the path of formulating some ideas. Worked a couple shifts at the cafe. Yeah. Try and unblock it. Try and get in the mindset.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're writing a screenplay about a barista. It's true. Have you ever written a screenplay? I have not.'re writing a screenplay about a barista it's true have you ever written a screenplay uh i've not never written a screen think about it you know as i get more into creating things now i feel i used to feel so like you know it's it's funny that i'm talking about my writer's block of saturday uh and it's like i'll feel this every now and again right but at the end of the day, I'm trending towards producing a lot. And that is a very new thing for me.

And I feel unlocked generally about my ability to create things. And this is a far cry from where I used to be in my life, where I was afraid of putting anything out there for public consumption. And that kind of dampened my creativity. I've recently been thinking about, would I ever write a book? Would I ever write a screenplay? And it feels like I would. I don't think I'm kind of one-track mind when it comes to these things.

Like, I really want to crack YouTube, and I really want to, like, sort of squeeze that sponge right now because that's what's in front of me me and that's what feels available to me but that's a wet sponge right now yeah yeah something worth squeezing but down the line exactly and down the line i now i'm someone who can actually like complete a project and i know that about myself and and that didn't always used to be the case and um who knows what the future holds so yeah basically i've given myself these unrealistic expectations and then when i fall below them i start to get really down on myself and feeling like i'm a failure and stuff yeah uh and that is

not true but you know it's like sort of the brain versus it's like the logical brain versus the monkey brain yeah i mean but that's the problem with intuitive sadness right yes if if you feel like there's something actionable you could do to fix or resolve the issue you're struggling with, then if you're not doing it, you at least feel like, well, I get why I feel down because I'm not taking action. Whereas you're going to a cafe, you're opening your laptop, you're sitting there, you're drinking caffeine, you're putting the resources in and it's just not paying back in the way it normally does. And it still does pay back more on average than it used to. Totally.

This is a part of the process and i just have to like weather the storm and the last thing is that it's our birthdays exactly a week from it is our one birthday it is our one birthday of may 5th next saturday and um we're going on a little trip yeah we are celebrating senku de mayo slash birth of the boys birth birth of the boy birth of the boy um on Saturday, May 5th. And just before that, we're going to be heading to LA to see some friends of ours, to do some stuff, maybe record some Eppies. Yeah. So that'll be fun.

I'm really looking forward to that. So a little peek behind the curtain. We took like a two-minute break as I took a phone call in between talking about our weeks. And I just want to talk about something that made my week right now oh shit live week update okay no now jordan tell me how was your week well i just had a phone call with a man named kevin kevin works at ups because uh i don't know if anybody's noticed this um mail's bad mail is bad there's like no institution with mail bag which this is this episode is one this is the mail bad episode yes mail like especially in the u.s at least in my experience there's no institution that is just as often not functional and everybody's okay with it the number of times

i've had this debate and people have been like oh that's just what happens with the mail if you went to starbucks yeah and you ordered a coffee and then 15 minutes later they went oh we just didn't make it yeah it's like oh hey boss uh i was uh looking for my paycheck this week it's like oh you you know how that works like sometimes you don't get paid it doesn't turn up and then i complain about it and somebody goes like oh come on that's just the mail yeah don't what did you expect it to be a hundred there? Yeah, I was getting some technology fixed And the refurbished version is on its way And has been for multiple weeks

And I just checked my tracking order And it said it should have arrived like yesterday So it was all peeved Right So my nice friend Kevin gave me a call After I submitted a ticket What a dude Yeah

Esoteric fella, Kevin Cool I only had two minutes with him But one of the first things he said As soon as I answered the phone And was like Yeah Jordan speaking Would love to pick up the package

Happy to go there He suddenly just stops the conversation Which I assume is being recorded Because this is customer service And he just goes Oh Hey have you had a conversation like this In like the last few weeks

I just recognize your voice Weird I just say to myself Okay Kevin So No Also Huh

Don't say that to a human yeah maybe he listens to the pod oh that must be it i hope so that would be great um he seemed very nice and i wish you no ill will kevin uh but i really really hope you can get me my package uh outside of that my week was pretty active yeah uh it's been kind of a hardcore week work-wise but as a result i've been able to take a little bit Of that surplus energy, that restfulness Or restlessness that I get when I get home When everything's very active

And put it into some creative projects of my own I've been doing a ton of good music That is awesome, my dude For anybody that doesn't know, I do music stuff As a hobby, I've never really released it Or publicized it, or shared it with anybody But on Friday, because There's some parties that I wanted to Share the music with and see what they thought of it released it or publicized it or shared it with anybody but on friday because uh there is some

parties that i wanted to share the music with and see what they thought of it i shared it with a few people that i work with now that's how that's how music typically gets shared um there are parties that operate yes sorry as a as a unit a house party yeah it's like a house party and then and then jordan shops his music around in the house please sir will you play my music at your house party we do the same thing with the podcast. We'll go to house parties that we aren't invited to. We'll put it on the Spotify playlist. It'll pop up and people are like, okay, I was jamming, but now I'm thinking.

Yeah, it's true. Now I'm laughing. I'm actually having fun with my friends. These boys are relatable. Do I even really need to go to a party? This is what people are saying out loud at the party. Yeah, they're all singing in unison in some like weird like dystopian way this is very funny i don't need to be at the party anymore sounds something like that spooktacular uh yeah otherwise pretty

uneventful to be totally honest with you i will say though got a little update uh on our last epi yeah uh two quick thoughts one one thing i didn't really talk about in the episode which had cropped up during the episode in my brain right is that we uh one of the most valuable things i think people get out of a relationship completely independently of any sexual component or even like traditional relationship values last episode was on dating by the way with her friend elizabeth dating in love with the love guru elizabeth yes um one of the most valuable things that i feel i've gotten out of relationships both uh romantic and platonic yeah is being witnessed does that make sense

like having somebody that is a witness to the moments in your life that you find valuable and can contextualize them right like sharing a life with somebody that's exactly right or like but the reason i bring this up is that i think in many ways we are like not like a witness like your honor yeah just in case you ever do a crime have a hot dog sorry i meant an alibi yeah sorry one of the best things about a relationship is having a false alibi a false alibi uh but no i think we actually solve that problem for one another in a lot of ways because Because the other day we were texting, we do this quite often. Something eventful or interesting will happen in our lives, usually related to creative projects. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we will just send each other a screenshot or like a candid breakdown of what is going on. It'll be like, hey, this thing happened and you're doing this. And then you'll text me back and go like, and you're achieving this while being this. And it's just like, that's what witnessing is that is really nice you know i wanted to say that i really appreciate that we have that yeah it's super valuable because i like will sometimes send that to other friends but there's a guilt with it where it feels like i'm showing off or something and and that isn't what it is it's that i want to share what's going on in my life with the people i care about yeah it's sincerely exciting and if i may say to any of our friends that actually listen you're

more than welcome to do the same with me yeah when people send me like i have achieved thing i was going after or why part of my life changed in a way for the better yeah i think that's fucking rad i agree i agree so our last episode was on dating and Jordan, I don't want to put you on the spot. But when we met up about an hour ago for a date, you told me that you had just finished a great date. I just finished is an interesting way of phrasing it. Like we got to the end of the day and I went, that's enough. I am satiated. Yeah, you had just wrapped up your date. All done with love.

Yeah, that's the end yeah i had a uh really great date and the reason i mentioned it's not necessarily because i think uh not necessarily because i'll come like the next episode going like i'm engaged big news i'm changing the thing that just fired me up was i don't think i've had a really exciting date for months well that's what struck me is because a lot of what we talked about with you in the last episode about dating is that it is very hard for you to get excited in that context. Yeah. We've mentioned this a few times on various episodes, but especially on the dating episode, one thing that we both find very attractive and enticing, both in platonic and a relationship sense is being challenged. Kind of the premise of this podcast in some senses,

but it's also the network we surround ourselves with in our friend group quite often incorporates people that will challenge us on certain aspects of our lives right and what i've been finding for the longest time for a million reasons but it's also just my personality type i find that i tend to end up dating people be it just one time two times or in a relationship where i'm not getting a lot of pushback yeah and that's actually not that exciting to me. You date people who might be averse to a conflict. Correct. And sometimes that can just manifest itself in like a lack of these candid conversations.

Yeah. Which I get really psyched up about. And obviously it's an important part of that dialogue is balancing the line between being candid and being obnoxious. Right. Because those are cousins and it's very easy to go the wrong direction yes but in this particular case and uh with many of my closest friends this was just a this person was really fucking funny that was the thing that stood out to me oh hell yeah this person is quick on their feet and challenging my wit and that's the thing challenge in general is not always valuable like if i just

walk up to you and i'm like hey jarvis not a big fan of the way you are yeah i don't like your cooking i'm like oh i don't okay right i'm not trying to be a cook like who why why'd you just why'd that come out of the blue whereas i want to be funnier i always want to get funny it's a thing we value and to meet somebody else that is funnier in some ways than me and i'm funnier than them in other ways and getting to have that dialogue and be in a cauldron together was actually really exciting. And if I never saw them again, that wouldn't devalue that. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that was the first time in a long time

where I had a date that itself was valuable, independent of where I may lead. I like that. I think that there's a lot of that lying dormant in the world for you to experience. And it doesn't have to be with a person who, like you said, you continue to date. Even that interaction in isolation is valuable. Who knows? Maybe we'll keep dating.

The big factor right now is just how rich she is, which is a thing for me most of the time. Interesting. Yeah, I like to know how much cash they have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because why else am I getting into it? I thought you just meant like... Like 80% cacao. Yeah.

Yeah, she's a very deep, dark chocolate. So going back real quick, we'll get to our topic shortly. Going back to it mattering that they're funny, I think that that could possibly come off to some as like, oh, they need the superficial quality or whatever that that you that you value. And it's oh, not oh, I'm not funny. So I'm not going to find somebody to date. This is more like a tempo like you're like you're you you operate on this tempo and very similarly to how not every song is the same beats per minute or

can like mash up very easily in the same way like if you overlaid the songs like you might just be out of sync with one another and it sounds like trash and that's not a statement of value or an indictment on either song yeah they just don't yeah yeah exactly they're just different songs like uh africa by toto and 99 problems by jay-z now sorry excuse you i have a million dollar idea to get to i was like no these songs are very different and when you overlay them uh wait okay this might be good all right i've got my evening project sorted i might i might be a musical genius um yeah i mean i've always sort of it to bring it to another weirdly audio example it feels a

little like sine waves right yeah like i'm not passing judgment by saying that somebody is or is not funny especially if it's not a thing that they value like other people might value business acumen i don't think my business acumen is amazing right i also don't think my culinary skills are amazing these are all just things that people may or may not value and will value being challenged on and growing with somebody yeah in relation to and when i hang out with somebody funnier than me it is just a rush of adrenaline yeah it's so much more so than basically anything else yeah yeah um another thing that it makes me think of is, I'm probably going to screw up this example,

but I believe in Hamlet, there are these two characters, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, and they have this buddy, not quite dumb and dumber relationship, or three stooges type relationship, but their whole thing is that they play word tennis back and forth with one another um and i i always think of this like there is a certain cadence and tempo to like a conversation when you're riffing with someone yeah and when it's clicking and i think that this is like where the show even comes from is like we can volley the ball back and forth and kind of know

that if i serve you something you're going to be able to hit the ball back and forth and kind of know that if I serve you something, you're going to be able to hit the ball back over the net. Yeah, with relative ease. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a way that also energizes you. And that just means that we're like on the same frequency, right? And that, as I mentioned on the dating episode, has been a huge pain point for me,

is often feeling like I'm either volleying and they're not hitting back, or I'm volleying and then I'm running to their side of the net to knock it back like the flash. That is so exhausting. Yeah. And it's like it's not even like a good at tennis, bad at tennis thing. Because like in tennis, the goal is to like get the person not to be able to return your thing. And the goal of a conversation is to be playing at such a the goal of a conversation is to never let the ball fall out.

Yeah. It's to have a perfect volley that both of you enjoy. Yeah, and just endlessly, right? The ultimate game of tennis where both players die of old age. Yeah, it's like that game of... The longest game of tennis that happened a few years ago between John Isner and Nicholas Mahut. Good lord.

That's a literary reference and a sports reference in like five minutes i we're gonna be on wnyc i'm a weird person the things that i find interesting in the world are like all over the place um but yeah so um without further ado uh much ado about nothing jesus that's three we've done it oh my god ira glass is knocking on my door he's ready for us to join him on me glass not on eye glass we're doing some pen pals today we're doing some pen pals there's no getting around it i'm gonna kick it off with a pretty spicy one okay you're ready to get spicy i'm ready to get spicy andre dixon at ben forever that's b-e-n-f-o-r-e-v-a in no way is ben a part of his name yeah hold on andre dixon at ben forever yeah maybe it's just a friend that's uh

that reminds me of my my screen name which is jarvis johnson at ken rules Ken rules He says What's the sad boys email Oh Well This is so embarrassing Ken We just said it Andrew we said it like A few minutes ago It's

Derek for life At gmail.com Of course owned by a man named Steve Yeah That would be Sadboyspod At gmail.com Alright well

Now that we know that We can read some stuff That was submitted. Okay. Thanks for the clarification. All righty. With that locked down, we have a nice man named Eric Johnson. Okay.

No relation. No relation to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jarvis forever, as my Twitter handle goes. Right. And now his name is Eric Johnson. Correct. His Twitter handle is my name is Amy.

Well, his Twitter handle again does not really reflect his name. Is this just our demo? His Twitter handle is RCTBS. I think it might be a Russian bot. It's a randomly generated name. It's about time. Eric Johnson, aka at RCTBS, says, Hey boys, I stumble upon you due to YouTube somehow.

Whoa. Back up and say that phrase again. That was rhythmic as all hell. I stumbled upon you due to YouTube. Ooh. Yeah. Maybe this goes in our Toto mashup. Hey, boys, I stumbled upon you due to YouTube somehow gathered enough information about me.

What? Oh, no. YouTube gathered enough information about him to oh oh no youtube gathered enough information about him to recommend one of my videos hey boys i stumbled upon you due to youtube somehow gathered enough information about me being eric aka at rctvs uh to recommend me a jarvis's channel so sorry to hear that eric uh you're a sport for watching some of those videos. They are not good. Jarvis, what's your YouTube channel? How do you get there?

The one with the shitty videos? Yeah. The name is Bill's YouTube channel. Forever. No, that would be Jarvis Johnson on YouTube. YouTube.com slash Jarvis Johnson. I have been listening through every episode available on Spotify's podcast library and I really enjoy your work. Wow. Thank you, Eric.

For what it matters, it makes my slow days at work, waiting for uni go almost as fast and when I'm listening to Harry Potter, Christ, I relate to that. Yeah, I relate to that so much. Knowing that it's on the horizon and just needing to burn time. Oh my god. I listen to so many podcasts

to get through days. Yeah. So many. Especially when you're in what I would call like a holding pattern. Like I don't know what Eric does for work, but I assume that since he's waiting for uni, it is not like a career job. This is a. Right, right. You know, financially motivated.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Until the day comes. I just remember like, yeah, when I was a senior in high school and just like or even when i was in college there was so much escapism in podcasting to like hear about lives that were like completely different than mine or even like that were beyond this horizon that i was going to one day yeah especially if they're even like tangentially on the same path Because there really is no path into a lot of those Podcast places but for me I was Obsessed with the idea I used to listen to a lot of

And still do actually listen to a lot of Comedy Button Which is a podcast starring A number of folks in SF And is honestly largely responsible For me falling in love with San Francisco Just the idea of San Francisco And then I was like well if I continue Working for Patreon and then I move like well if i continue working for patreon

and then i move there perhaps i'll be a comedy button one day you know it's like that exact no that's oh my god there's so much like i uh i one of the podcasts that i listened to earliest um was a podcast called geek nights that uh was the one that introduced me to computer science but i started going to conventions like pax east i went to because i heard about it on geek night right i was like and the guys who did the podcast were going to do a panel there and then i like actually got to like meet them and it was just like so real like it was just so weird to see that my worlds were colliding a little bit like just just that these people who i i listened to uh when i was trying to get through my days as a high school student um were actually in real life were actually

real life people yeah and yeah i glorified san francisco and new york like much through in la you know through listening to podcasts yeah no doubt uh eric Eric continues, sorry, aka RCTBS continues, I noticed you mentioned that you wanted people to write into the podcast, but I don't really know how to express what I have to say. Let me say, Eric,

you did a great job. Yeah. I've read this whole damn thing and you kicked ass. I've just gone through the hardest year of my life and experienced everything from relatives dying

to an excruciated, outdrawn breakup full of lying and cheating, which left me just blown out of feelings and a sense of detachment wow that stinks my man that does suck i am sorry for that yeah sorry for your losses as well this had me take a break from my cs studies due to falling grades and led me into bad habits of

gaining weight ruining relationships and just digging myself into an even deeper hole as a start of as of the start of 2018 however i have worked hard to get myself back closer to who i wish to be and also to the life I want to have therefore I'm currently working Full time to survive and wait Until I continue my CS studies This fall and get myself another shot at life Hell to the yes Eric

Sounds like that RCTBS might stand for Really cool To be Soon To be soon Really cool to be To be soon. To be soon. Really cool to be socially active. Really cool to be successful.

Yeah, that's Eric. Really cool to be successful. That's your new name, buddy. Maybe change it on Twitter. It's up to you. Sad Briot. I found what you guys said about feeling when the dips hit, not going as low and not staying as low for long, really interesting and super important for us who deal with it. Therefore, as a listener, I would love if you could talk about

the subject again in the future and continue on maybe how you got to the point where you are now when it comes to fighting depression and anything else that could help along the way. Ho, ho, ho. Well, thank you very much, Eric, for sharing your story. It sounds like you're doing the right thing now. And we wish you the best of luck. And we also had nothing to do with it, my dude. You are a tough son of a gun. Yeah. You are really cool to be soon. Yes. Really cool to be successful. Yeah. Sorry. That was the one. So one strategy that has been helpful for me is that, so I talked about this a little bit on our depression episode, but I read a book on cognitive behavioral therapy and it gave me a lot of tools for dealing with my,

with my lows. And most of what those tools boil down to is identifying why you're feeling the way you're feeling and contextualizing it. Because if you can identify the things that are causing your current valley um and especially if you can look at them and call them out as like oh this is the thing that somebody wrote down in a book as like a logical fallacy or this is exactly the thing that happened last time you just get better equipped at understanding what's happening and it feels more in your control even if you can't just be happy like at the like snap of your fingers in gaining those tools i kind of equate to a safety net that you can just catch yourself at as you're falling and over time increase your reaction time to like casting that sure yeah so that you just don't fall as uh as low and with every experience

you do gain like a video game experience points you are gaining a frame of reference for previous times this has happened you get more reference points for okay well last time this happened this exact series of events took place and it led me to this place i did these things and within 48 hours x happened right now it doesn't mean that you immediately feel better because you know it's going to get better that's one of the frustrating things about being right place you feel like it should be better because you know it will but then it doesn't uh but it knowing that you have those tools in place can actually be comforting in and of themselves yes and you want to be able to accept yourself because like even when like i don't feel great right now but you look bad say what you look bad oh yeah yeah no I look

horrible no uh but so I don't even feel great today I actually feel like kind of bad but because I know I need to carry on I've developed the ability to carry myself forward and and try to weather the storm while continuing to be functional and accepting myself that even though I've made all this progress, I'm still going to have to spend this time feeling this way. Yeah. The thing you get by being better at this is not not getting depressed. Yeah. And not not slowing down, not not being fuzzy. It's just gaining a better suite of tools for dealing with those when they occur. Exactly. And I think it's I fuzzy it's just gaining a better uh suite of tools for dealing with those when they occur exactly and and i think it's i think it's two-pronged i think there's the side the suite

of tools that mend your wounds um faster and more efficiently uh so yeah using fewer resources to get back to normal and maybe taking less time and then there's the aspect of like not even getting there in the first place not even getting there in the first place, not even getting wounded in the first place. Preventative measures. Exactly. And so some of that would be like catching negative thought spirals before they reach a certain point.

Like if you have a negative thought about yourself that can eventually spiral into like the depths of like, I can't leave bed. Yeah. Then catching yourself when you say the first negative thing about yourself and like seeing where it's going and going, nope, let me reverse that because I see this like nefarious intent that my brain had when it was like going to that place. And then there's the other side. And it's unavoidable to be in these places. So it's like, okay, I'm here now. How do I nurse myself back to health?

And how do I better equip myself next time to know that that's even feasible? And it's a learning experience, right? Yeah. And dude dude we haven't figured it out yeah i'm working on it every day yeah it took me like 10 minutes just to figure out what to say yeah we're chewing we're chewing a little slow today the boys are on on not on their full grind and that's okay yeah yeah yeah uh i do genuinely to be candid just about like the relationship we have with our audience i've done various podcasts in the past And various creative projects in the past And I'm working on projects right now as are you

Right But I don't think I've ever been in a position Where I can be like more trusting Of the version of myself that I present in X Thing Like we've walked away from episodes Where I'm like yes that's Jordan Cope And I'm glad he got on a microphone Yeah

I've walked away from other episodes And I'm like wow what a mess I wasn't very expressive I was completely inarticulate and the point i wanted to get across didn't translate right and one of two things happens one people are glob onto the things that were valuable and express those and it makes me feel better yeah or two they got it anyway yeah like we have a very intuitive and uh forgiving audience and i think that's very fortunate we don't want to take that for granted.

But I also, and I don't want to take that for granted either, but I also want to say that we're pretty hard on ourselves. Yeah. And oftentimes we do this yourself, but it's a natural thing. And a lot of people who do creative projects and stuff feel this way, which is you compare the execution to the intention. Yeah. So if Jordan says something and it doesn't come out right, it comes out fine to me because I didn't know what his intent was. Right. And the frustration on his side might come from the, might come from the, might come from the disparity between the execution and the intention and not from what was actually the value of what was actually said to begin with.

And I think when you will text me and say, hey, I didn't feel like I was on that episode, that's projecting a feeling and an expectation for yourself and not actually the manifestation of what happened. Yeah, that's exactly right. So like when I, yeah, and I'm the same way. Like when I feel bad, I think that it had like a huge impact on my ability to execute when in reality a lot of my execution is coming from muscle memory and instinct and stuff. And I'm really just saying I feel bad and thus everything that i did while i felt bad should be bad you know great message all right you just made like a whole

sad boys episode i love message thanks dude and you're gonna do some amazing things and you should dms when other things happen in your life and you let us know when you're going to college because i'm jazzed you son of a all right so we got one from seth caplan he says my name is Seth, and I am a sophomore computer science student in Massachusetts. I've been loving the podcast since episode one, and I wanted to reach out and ask some advice. This past February, I landed my first ever internship doing full stack Java development for a software security company in Boston, and I'm super excited. I've been thinking about making a YouTube channel for a while and making videos about

being a computer science student. My internship journey, music, fashion, etc. The problem is I feel like I'll look like an idiot and be wicked cringy on camera. And I'm not sure there's a market for what I'd like to create or if anyone would find it interesting. How do you both get past these mental barriers when creating something do you ever find yourself having a hard time putting yourself out there online hope you're both having a lovely week and i'm looking forward to the next episode as always best seth thanks seth what a cutie pie you know you know seth was actually the name uh that i gave myself when i was on pokemon forums i remember this yeah so I was known as Seth the Pokemon Trainer.

Was it because you thought Seth was just a cool name or was it a reference to something? So it was a reference to the name that my character... It was a reference to the name Seth. Because I thought it was cool. It was a reference to the name that I always gave my character in my Pokemon games. And the reason that I gave my character in my pokemon games and the reason that i gave my character that in pokemon games is because when i got pokemon silver and i was like i don't know 10 years old uh i just chose one of the automatic names i used to i used to think

that those names meant something you know it's like so i was like oh i want to pick one of the chosen names like there must be a reason they said these must be a reason they chose these recommended yeah i don't want to write my own name in yeah because i i don't know that's like ordering from the top five most popular items in an uber eats order yeah exactly it's like i i wanted to i didn't want to build my own like i got the name wrong yeah i didn't want to yeah i didn't want to build my own i wanted to to make to use one of the chef chef designed uh names and i just kept using that name even after it became a drop-down name because it just was the name i picked and then i only later learned that it was

like like a name that real people had yo seth like the pokemon guy yeah exactly exactly our seth writing in today wants to know how we get over that fear of putting ourselves online like what if there's not even a market for what we want to create i think that's a really interesting question because i would say but more so than any other time in history especially when it comes to artistic production there is someone yeah the people are there like i mean the demographic definitely exists seth it's just a case of you shifting your values and javas you can speak to this more keenly than i can as a youtuber but i would have to assume that at this point in your creative career finding your demographic is

secondary to just producing the content i would say that's true i think first and foremost you want to focus on the content that you want to make because there's just too many things to optimize. If you're also trying to get the marketing right, you're also trying to be original and all this other stuff. So Seth, I would say just start putting stuff out. And if nobody sees it, then great. There are no expectations on you and you're able to develop your skill set in the dark. And then when you start thinking about that marketing and positioning and stuff you're going to be a much more polished creator uh you're going to be a much more polished creator when you do get some eyeballs on your content but that's the thing about producing content of any kind for the

first time almost always the stakes are actually a lot lower than they feel yeah like the worst case scenario i'm talking worst case scenario you put a video. You're not totally happy with the final product. You didn't like how you looked on camera. And you weren't totally satisfied with the script. Guess what? You just got better at all of those things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just up-leveled your skills in like five areas.

And if nobody saw the video, then nobody's judging you. If people did see the video, then you're getting feedback. There's like no negative result. Yeah, there is almost definitely no negative result. Case in point up until like last week there were three youtube videos of me singing songs on a separate youtube channel that i've never talked about with anyone excuse you they each i know they each had like 20 30 views on them no comments basically no one saw these videos and i had known that they existed and were on youtube

this whole time and and that didn't impact me in any way because no one saw them the the tree fell in the forest and no one was there to hear me sing uh alex claire's too close which was the song from uh that one microsoft internet explorer commercial it like, it feels like I am just too close to love you. And now you don't need the channel because it's recorded on your podcast. There's nothing I can really say. I really want to buy Internet Explorer. Yeah.

It was just, I just couldn't get over the fact that it had, it was a guy singing and then it had the wub, wub, wub, wub. Anyway, so, and I was doing this acapella with like my laptop microphone. It was horrible and no one saw it and that was great and it doesn't impact me in any way. And then I made different videos at other times and people saw them and NBD.

And the thing about markets, I want to tell you a secret, Seth. You are a market of yourself, right? So if you make content that you like, then there's a high chance that people who like stuff that you like will like your content. And if you think that's unlikely that there are other people who like the same intersection of stuff that you like well you got to that intersection of things that you like by living a life yeah and and tumbling through influences and interests and stuff and that experience is so common not that you're not a unique snowflake you know but like we all like jordan and i have so many things in common and we met when we were fully formed adults yeah after like living

lives in different countries you know yeah and and uh and there's so many more um like and by virtue of you listening to this show we know you have good taste well yeah and that that you share something in common with us you know so yeah i watch your content Seth that's two right there that's two boys it sounds good I want more tech people doing fashion stuff I think that would be sick oh yeah I mean here's so here's my thing here's where I'm standing Seth here's where I'm at

regardless of project regardless of project type the very fact that you are the kind of person that would be so self-aware and overly self-analytical when it comes to the quality of person That would be so self-aware And overly self-analytical When it comes to the quality of your content Whether you should pursue it Who it should appeal to

What your market is By definition You are the kind of person That should be making the content Yeah There are so many YouTubers All the YouTubers you see That generate no interest

And their content doesn't really operate Are the kind of people That don't really care about that It's not something they value It's not something they obsess over Seth, you have a brain made for this yeah you just need to start doing it the momentum is the hard part it's kind of like trying to kick up a car uh at the top of a hill yeah you've got to push it just a little far on flat land until the momentum carries you forward no foot on the

gas you just need to get the ball rolling yeah i mean like now that i'm thinking about that i that email totally could have come from me like last year oh for sure yeah because i like had a lot of this you know similar um background and just like wasn't sure what the market was wasn't sure how i wanted what i wanted to put my name on and all this stuff and it's it's far simpler than you imagine you know you you you don't do it all at once and that's why it ends up being simpler um basically everything in here is a quote directly from my conversation, including attending Massachusetts College. Everything in here is a direct quote from pre-Sad Boys first recording.

Yeah. Like the episode we've talked about where we come up with the idea for the podcast, who our demo is, what our audience is, why we would like to listen to a show like that, kicks off with like, maybe it's recorded, maybe it isn't, but a conversation of, would people actually listen to the show? If we off with like, maybe it's recorded, maybe it isn't, but a conversation of, would people actually listen to the show? If we did a show,

would people give a shit about that? Yeah. And apparently the answer is yes. Bafflingly, people do for some reason. And we did it for a while without anybody listening. That's very true. We wish you the best, Seth, and definitely send us some of your content.

When you do start YouTubing, because we want to see it. You've got two audience members right here. You've got two expectant audience members. They bought tickets. They're sitting in the row. You've got to put something on, buddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I'm ready to go. We will watch it immediately. We will love it. Give it a shout out on the podcast. Yeah, we will. Tweet it at us, whatever. Send it via contact form, whatever. You live your life, Seth.

Just make it, and that's all you've got to do, Seth. Chase your us, whatever. Send it via contact form, whatever. You live your life, Seth. Yeah, just make it and that's all you got to do, Seth. Chase your bliss, bro. To clean up. To clean up? What's wrong with me in general? I wasn't sure if that was just like a phrase that you use back home. Yeah, I mean, that's always the risk. I have a final nice tasty mailbag note for you, Jarvis.

Okay. This has been fun. I like this. Yeah. We should do this again. Do y'all like this? Do you want more mailbag note for you Jarvis okay it's been fun I like this yeah we should do this again do y'all like this do you want more mailbag episodes well send in pen pals and we'll just do more of these yeah if we get a lot of messages we'll be talking all about them I mean one of the reasons we wanted to do a mailbag episode and maybe make this a little sub series is because half of the fun is receiving them half of the fun is saying something back I don't want us to be a

show where we're just receiving notes and reading them anonymously and not commenting yeah we try and reply to everything we get we're still working through a little bit of a backlog i mean a couple videos ago i i went and found like a podcast that i sent a poem to yeah that was about dragon ball z in 2007 uh and like that i remember when i heard my name on that that shit was so meaningful and and it stands to reason that like in 2018 when i was like ah yes let me go find the specific episode of an 11 year old podcast where i'm on it you know so uh i literally have that value for even one person i'm done yeah thumbs up turkey's roasted yeah i mean like we haven't even touched on the fact that one of the people earlier wrote in and said that they

have listened to every episode on spotify and it's like what good lord we're now one of those shows where people are going back and like binging all the episodes damn respect i honestly have never heard an episode of sad boys i don't see the appeal i'm glad other people do um yeah and i haven't either i basically the way i edit the show is by looking at the waveform and um just editing out the parts that don't look good they don't look funny they don't look funny yeah sometimes you see a waveform in the shape of like a whoopee cushion you're like that's gotta be good yeah that must be funny gotta be good final pen pal's note of the day comes from our good friend i say that i have no idea who she is but she seems nice her name is christina percy what should i do in a voice or accent for christina um give it to me

in the voice of bane oh god you know what i've been honing this for years for this very moment hang on let me get a mug okay i've got my mug i have my tools my bane tools sounds about right hey sand boys first off it's so echoing i'm just gonna use my head first off where has this beautiful glorious content been all my life i am ashamed to have discovered you guys so late i'm not sure if this has already been answered but what's your favorite video games from when you were younger no pun intended i'm definitely not paid anymore not sure who this guy is at all i thought it was still kind of close to that i was banish uh i hope to one day be as hilarious as you guys oh thanks christina sorry as you as you take away the bane cup yeah and turn off the voice i was uh born in

the darkness is how she closes out her email interesting uh thanks christina that's really sweet christina percy's uh twitter handle is i am bane forever forever ben forever forever uh but yeah she's asking what our favorite video games were when we were children now jarvis you've already dropped a big old reference to pokemon silver that's true hold on wait didn't she say no pun intended about something is it yeah what's your favorite video games from when you were young no pun intended is it like when you were young by the killers or adele well i mean this could work in any sentence because there was no pun intended and there is no pun hi jarvis you look great today no pun intended that's kind of like how a robot would communicate yeah jarvis you look fantastic correct sarcastic remark well yeah no it's like uh it's like how a computer would generate a sentence because

it has uh no syntactical impact on the meaning of the sentence but like they don't know that that it like is really confusing pun status non yeah nope it's like no it's just like a nothing phrase that you could add to the end that's the way the cookie crumbles you might in fact be more hilarious than that's because we don't know what the pun is but hey yeah props to you christina oh my gosh favorite video game from when you were young um now it's got to be uh this nes classic called No Pun Intended. Oh, yeah? Yeah. By No Pun Nintendo? No Pun Nintendo, yeah. The Super Pun Nintendo. The Super Pun Tendo.

Sorry, No Pun Intended. Right. That's a dumb joke. I'm not going to include that. She wants to be as funny as us. Fuck, ask this from the show. You've succeeded. Let's see.

Favorite game from when I was a kid. Do you have one? I do Why don't you go? I will, so people know this If they've listened to all the episodes But for anybody that doesn't know, bit of a fan of game design I've always adored video games As an art form and as a

The design philosophy surrounding them And they're fascinating To be totally honest, I studied film Because I felt self-conscious about it If I was cool I probably would have just studied video games surrounding them right they're fascinating um to be totally honest i studied film because i felt self-conscious about it if i was cool i probably would have just studied video games in retrospect loved film but damn games are cool it was film like the safe choice for you like a cool video i want to it's like i want to i really want to study music but i'm going to be a lawyer and yours is like i mean i really want to study video games but i need a secure career

i need an adult career that people will respect. Let me tell you of the French New Wave. Yeah, I would say, so there are various games that sit in pockets of games that I admire and may not have loved as a kid. And then there are games that, to this day, I would still play and adores as a kid. So, like, Dynasty Warriors, I was really into when I grew up. That's Dynasty Warriors for all you... Plebeians. Yeah, sure.

I was a huge fan of that series for a long time largely just because I was obsessed with the art style. That's often what happened to me as a kid is I would play games and fall in love with single aspects especially around the PS2 era where there are like 45 games released every week.

Right, right, right. And I would just fall in love with some mechanic or system or art style and then obsess over it. But the one game that I would always hearken back to is like the favorite of my childhood years when I was maybe 11, 12. Yeah. Is Psychonauts. Have you ever played Psychonauts?

I didn't. Psychonauts is an action adventure platformer. It's by Double Fine. Double Fine, right. Tim Schafer's who I believe are in SF. They do some game jams here sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tim Schafer's who I believe are in SF they do some game jams here sometimes but yeah it's an action adventure platformer designed by

a fellow named Tim Schafer and a company named Double Fine that is just so hard to describe should have picked a different game but yeah it's amazing I highly recommend people play it I believe you can get it on PC right now the whole conceit of the game is that you play a little kid that is psychic

in a world of psychics, where some people are psychic, some people aren't, but psychic entailing everything from telekinesis to being able to project fire with your mind, to reading minds, all sorts of things like that. And it is, I would call it like Burton-esque, Tim Burton-esque. It's not derivative by any means. It's very distinct. Right, right, right.

If I were to draw a clear artistic parallel, it would like a netflix recommendation algorithm yeah i would say oh enjoyed nightmare before christmas have you tried psychonauts yeah yeah so anybody that enjoys those kind of aesthetics it plays okay it's definitely aged mechanically but if you can get behind really really nice art style witty writing and uh really fun memorable characters give psychonauts a shot especially since psychonauts 2 comes out at some point in the next couple of years. Oh, wow. It got kick-started maybe two years ago.

Wow. Let's get ready. This is not a sponsored post. No, but if you want it to be, feel free to reach out and pay us some money, advertisers. So I was thinking about mine as you were talking, and I, well, first I want to get off the top of my head that when you're talking about French New Wave, I was real close to making a true foe pun.

Oh, that would have been great. I just couldn't, you started talking and I couldn't quite come up with a thing to interrupt you with. Like, like you thought someone was your enemy, but this is your true foe. Oh boy, that's good. I know one listener that laughed at that and his name is Kadeem so when you were talking I started thinking about

sad boys and video games and like the feeling of things right like in video games invoke this like feeling of nostalgia and can invoke this feeling of fear and can invoke this feeling of fear and happiness. Just all of the

span, all of the entire you can run the entire gamut of emotions. Oh, it's got the greatest palette in art. And I think that part of that is because of how your focus can change when you're engaged in a video game, much like

film, much like a book um when you've zoomed in your world to that screen that is the highs are your highs the lows are your lows right it like doesn't matter like what's going on if you're like going through a tough time in your life or what have you video games allow you to experience empathy instead of sympathy, and that's a big deal. Yeah, yeah. And a game that I remember so fondly and remember feeling so many emotions playing was Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask. Oh, good pull. Yes, dude. Now, this game is very interesting for a number of reasons.

For one, it's following what is considered one of the best games of all time in Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time. And it's also known for being a very dark story. The premise of Majora's Mask is that the world is ending. This prankster kid ends up in possession of this mask keeper's cursed mask and causes the moon to come hurtling towards the earth or comes hurtling towards termina which is like the land that you live in the game and which is bad yeah they don't want the moon to be on it and so there's so many like just the atmosphere of this game is apocalyptic like you the moon is falling towards the planet and it's got a face and it looks like real sinister like it hates you yeah and it essentially the premise of the game is that this is happening and you have three days to save the world and you do so by going to the homes of these four giants i think and beating their temple or whatever and getting their agreement to basically hold up the moon and

prevent it from um prevent it from crashing down on the planet but you literally have to fail at that so many times in order to beat the game yeah so you watch the world multiple times and you watch this cut scene of like the moon falling in and destroying all of these people who you've like seen their like relationships develop and stuff and it's just like oh my god even thinking about that i'm like getting emotional and you're playing a child and you're playing a child um and i think part of it is that every time you so basically the world has to end a number of times before you can save the world. And you always start back in the same town and at the same time. And, you know, like like you hear like a clock and like a rooster. And you get all your Groundhog Day moments.

You get all the Groundhog Day moments and you see all these people who are hopeful and like living their lives and they have no idea of like what's about to befall them and uh yeah i just like that game like made me feel so many like emotions yeah video games have always had this kind of weird relationship with the genre where genre historically has been representative of systems. Like, oh, I'm playing an FPS. Right. That doesn't really describe the emotional palette of the experience. It just describes...

The gameplay, yeah. You can do a bunch of different things with a car, right? Oh, I'm doing car. Like NASCAR or grocery shopping. That could be anything. So often we'll refer to things in those senses. Or even when we say horror, what we're really talking about is a uh most recently like a survival horror style game where you don't have access to a lot of weapons and need to hide away from enemies

and more powerful you just like a lot of traditional tropes the really kick-ass thing about majora's mask and uh one of the reasons i love it too though it's been a really long time since i played i hope it's available i assume there's maybe a switch version you can yeah so so yeah it it came out on 3ds uh as a complete remaster uh and that's awesome oh i could go for that yeah i i actually played it uh a few years ago um when i was in san jose interning at google we didn't go out out into San Jose because it's kind of like a boring town. And we were in like the middle of nowhere in it. And I got a ROM of Majora's Mask. And I got a like a high-res texture pack for it.

And it just like made the graphics look really good. And we just like played through it on this emulator on the tv every day after work but it is incredible because like mechanically systematically it is not the same but it's a very similar game to ocarina of time it controls the same yes combat operates the same that whole z targeting bullshit is just as bad as it ever was but like yeah a lot of it's very similar but the fact that just through art design pacing and like uh encounter design the way the encounters flow the pacing of encounters that kind of stuff can turn it into a completely different genre it almost felt indie in that way

yeah absolutely it feels like one of those games that is a mod of another game yeah you know one of those creepy rom hacks yeah so you put slenderman and you're like mario bros 3 yeah the only thing so technically now we haven't talked about the technical achievement of this game which is one it was turned around in a year which in game design especially for blockbuster games especially following the smash hit that ocarina of time was is unheard of and ocarina of time not only was a smash hit but redefined what like action adventure engine was there was no equivalent of the way you played that game yeah so the fact that they were like reusing resources in the creative way that

they did and were able to create this new experience that felt so dramatically different from ocarina of time the whole thing about ocarina of time is it's this big world and there are all these dungeons that are so fleshed out and it's like major's mask has a lot of that but you're spending a lot of time in this one town talking to the same people over and over and over again and because of the narrative framing device of the game it never feels old you just feel urgency the only thing that the game added was it needed more ram like that red ram pack that you would add in the uh into the n64 just for like more draw distance yeah in the game that was like the only thing just because like there was a lot of

fog uh and so yeah um video games are so cool video games are really cool i gotta play more yeah same i haven't played a video game in so long um but but yeah thanks christina christina killed it christina percy herself And you know what Christina I bet you are pretty hilarious actually So there you go I can't do it Bane what's wrong? There's a boy down the well?

I bet I'm Bane Bruce is stuck down with the bats I at one point knew how to do a Bane voice And I just cannot remember how to access it I imagine Tomdy's in a very similar position yeah it's true god do you see the new venom trailer no big thumbs down oh no big fat chunky thumbs down i would love nothing more than to be surprised but i'm not feeling optimistic wasn't the big thing about the first trailer is that venom wasn't in it yeah boy in it would it be better if he remained out it just looks it the the term that came to mind as

soon as i watched the trailer was necessary like this movie was already in motion the actors had been booked the equipment and rigs had been set up we might as well finish like shoot it it's like a you're a quarterback on the field and you're about to get sacked and uh you're throwing motion you're like well the ball's already out of my hands i may as well continue following through with my arm even though my team is gonna lose 30 40 yards yeah we're trained to do this we might as well keep kicking it feels that exact way and nothing against tom hardy but i love that guy he hams it up something proper in this one. More like Tom Hardley, am I right? Wait, he won't be on the show now. Tom, I was kidding about Venom.

Come back. Oh, come on. I'll be a symbiote. Oh, he's knocking on the iris glass. He also can't pronounce symbiote. That's like a common thing in the trailer. He keeps calling it like a symbiote or something, or a symbiot. It's like a bunch of AV Club articles. Like, did nobody tell him?

Yeah, he's surprised. It's like he filmed the AV Club articles Like Did nobody tell him? Yeah he's surprised It's like he filmed The whole movie There was a director There and everything He also I totally noticed this I wonder if people

Notice it I mean I'm sure they do When I do an American accent But if people notice this In America When they watch English people Do American accents It's so distracting to me

Not because I know That they're English But the version of American accent you hear This is not like Hugh Laurie house tier Yeah yeah yeah This is like Community community theater public production of like a streetcar named desire

yeah it's like a guy from north hampton he's like oh get over here to my car oh yeah well yeah it's the same thing in reverse right like when yeah it's like super distracting when when someone's bad yeah dude we saw uh a movie last night i'm not gonna say what it is because it's a spoiler kind of uh but we saw a movie and peter dinklage is in it and there is a moment where uh he does his tyrian voice he does an equivalent of his tyrian voice and his tyrian voice is the funniest shit in the world i love game of thrones but it just that it doesn't sound like any accent yeah nobody sounds like that um jamie lannister is norwegian i want to say possibly swedish oh he's scandinavian the actor yeah and his accent is flawless sounds perfect yeah you've got to be lannister like i had to go you hated me more than any of my siblings It just sounds ludicrous. Well, is there a chance that it's like an old thing that, you know, like, have you ever read the Canterbury Tales?

Sure, maybe he's reading it. Yeah, he's reading it like tenured English, but it actually just sounds like, especially amongst his peers, they'll be speaking with his family, and they're like, we must deal with the Starks as soon as possible. Yes, I will rally the troops. Yes, we must get the troops as soon as we can. Do you know how to get them? We are all the same.

One of these is not like the other. Which of them? Because clearly it's not me. Wait, who do I sound like? You sound like Bane. The Bat. It's me like Bane. The Bat. It's me, Bane. Hey.

Wait, is this the voice? I have no, no, you know who I am? I'm a mad scientist from a cartoon. You do, you sound like every Saturday morning cartoon. Tune in to the Powerpuff Girls this morning at 10 a.m. PST. Hmm, I'll get you He-Man. I will put a vial into another vial

and then I will defeat my vile enemies. Because of evil. Man, we should do some voices. We should voice act. Put us on your cartoon please if you're making one. So that's about all for our Pin Pals special episode.

Mailbag spectacular. I want to thank everyone who wrote in, everyone who continues to write in. If we didn't read your message today, you might still hear it on the normal show. We're doing our best. We're trying. Yeah, we do. We do one per week normally. And if you want to hear more like this, feel free to let us know.

You can include that in your pen pal submission. Exactly. And if I wanted to submit a pen pal, Jarvis, what the hell would I do? How would I do that? Well, if you want to submit a pen pal, there's a number of ways. Pick your poison. One, sadboyspod.com. Correct. And that's it. That is actually the best one. Because that sends it directly via a little contact form and it wakes up the server in the White House. It wakes up the server and it's I haven't heard that name and well, since you wakes up the server in the White House. It wakes up the server and it's, I haven't heard that name in, well, since you're sending them all in quite frequently now, I guess I can talk to my family again.

I haven't heard that name since earlier today, when I also heard that name. Since I heard it on the Powerpuff Girls. Bane, what's wrong, man? Are you okay? I love Batman. That's his famous trait yeah He's in love with Batman

But if you want to email us an audio attachment or just don't like the website I don't know why that would be a thing Email us at Sadvoicepod at gmail.com And while doing so as Jarvis mentioned you can add An audio file and if you do so you become Like a de facto third guest of the show Because we'll play it live react to it for the very

First time on mic and we'll have a nice little convo. And you can play like that clip and you can be like, look, listen to this podcast I do with my friends. Exactly. Every week. And your audio sounds completely different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super spacey. It's like, well, I record outside in a car.

Yeah. You could just record a number of phrases and then we'll integrate them into the show. You'll be like, ha ha, yes, I do enjoy danginganging out that's our friend joe he records inside of a metal box and there is sad boys pod on twitter you can dm us or you can just tweet at us live if you want to i mean hey that would always be fun yeah yeah yeah we'll have a convo with you um i would one of these days like to record an episode live Oh cool And like get live comments going in That'd be fun yeah We could do our normal setup but just like also scream it

Sounds like a blast if you want to do that give us a shout Jarvis I don't like sad boys How do I just get one of the sad boys my favorite one Jarvis Johnson Oh well that's nice It's nice to be the favorite Well I mean I'm playing a character obviously that would never happen But theoretically if somebody was so wrong That they liked you more than me where would they go well you can find me on twitter at jarvis just my first name um you can find me on instagram

at magic jarvis follow me on there for sweet photos i post a lot of sad boys related photos that's true yeah um and and on youtube um youtube.com slash Jarvis Jonathan. And you just released a pretty kick-ass video that people should check out. What's it called, Jarvis? Okay, sorry. Live breaking news in the sad boy's home. We're recording out of my studio apartment, and there is a collection of birthday balloons floating past my window right now.

And earlier, there was confetti that was just falling from the sky. Yeah, ash-colored confetti. Made you look like there was some kind of fire. Oh, it's floating down. I think it's going to land. At least they're not going up, you know? It's probably for the best. Okay, looks like they're just going to land in that tree.

All righty then. Wow. And that's pollution. And that's how it happens. All right, cool. Rip ozone layer. Good one. Homeless man is about to get an incredible surprise.

Happy birthday. Jordan. happens all right cool rip ozone layer one homeless man is about to get an incredible surprise happy birthday um jordan ah how might uh now if you're the favorite and they don't like me which i think is the truly the actual most likely scenario um where can they find you um i mean if you want more jordan cope in your life You can follow me Jordan A-D-I-K-A One word on basically everything I don't know why you would I'm trying to get better at Instagram By which I mean I'm just posting pictures of my cat They're doing quite well Go over there if you ever want to know

When you hear in the background chewing And you want to see what creature is making that happen Or a rogue meow You can go check out Diva At Jordan alika on instagram outside of that nothing jordan we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase while standing up while standing up which we are doing let's kick it off and this time i want everybody to shout it as they listen you. And we're sorry.

Boom! That was fun.