Sad Boyz - /rant

Episode Date: July 5, 2020

the boyz blow off some steam + let the music take control live mas we love u we're sorry etc. xx --- thank you to our good friend Tyler May for helping us edit down a 3hr rant - you can check out more of his stuff at http://tylermaymedia.com/ if you want to take conscious efforts to fighting back against the plague of systemic racism and police brutality, consider checking out/contributing to the organizations below --- RECOMMENDED BLM ORGANIZATIONS Black Visions Collective https://secure.everyaction.com/4omQDAR0oUiUagTu0EG-Ig2 NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund https://www.naacpldf.org/ ACLU Racial Justice Program https://www.aclu.org/issues/racial-justice Atlanta Solidarity Fund https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/support-justiceforgeorgefloyd-protesters-in-atlanta Reclaim The Block https://www.reclaimtheblock.org/home/#about Know Your Rights https://www.knowyourrightscamp.com/  

oh my oh my god what oh my god um let me guess i put out a whole album should are we in the show right now i don't know okay so before okay um what a strange show all right so um just so we we we should probably say we we woke up in very yeah okay so it's a rough it's been a rough week frankly uh i'm i'm excited to talk to jordan my friend we haven't talked all week we haven't really caught up since the uh horrific disasters have happened the fire nation attacked once more um more than ever i don't even know if that's okay to say i just fuck man we've been on a call for about an hour just like shooting the shit trying to remind ourselves that there's things worth like laughing being happy about yeah like and before we get into uh the topic of the, which is just going to be us kind of decompressing how we're feeling this week with everything going on, reflecting on some of our experiences, talking about that stuff.

We have a very stupid, like we spent the past hour doing very stupid things. One of which. I don't know if it's stupid. They'll probably think it's cool. Okay. Very stupid things. One of which... I don't know if it's stupid. They'll probably think it's cool. Okay, well, I first started by explaining the legal history of how NSYNC became independent of their former manager. Well, I knew his name when I described it the first time. Johnny Scumbag.

Lou Pearlman, that's it. How they became free of Lou Pearlman. There's a documentary called The Boy Band Con uh i love it it's great um and then we somehow found a charity music video for a song by like 100 different boy bands all at the same time uh called let the music heal your soul and it has the goofiest music video it's like 90s boy band shit turned up to the max oh we're not we're not like overstating how many people are in this band like it's a super group consisting of touche the boys mo fats scooter aaron carter the backstreet boys mr president all of nsync squeezer bloom chen rng and gill most of the names that you mentioned are groups of five people or more yeah

groups of five very german people yeah uh and it's a strange music video because they are working overtime to fit so many people in the frame, both literally and figuratively. Yeah, pre-widescreen. Because there are also a ton of picture frames in the music video so that they have a narrative reason to cut away to people who clearly couldn't be present for the recording yeah and and just had to record themselves in a random studio off-site it's all recorded maybe we should just throw in our live reactions to it i think we should it's not how i expected this this episode to start but the song is called let the music heal your soul and it was a charity song in support of music therapy i think in support of music therapy and it i know you soul and it was a charity song in support of music therapy i think in support of music therapy and it i know you're curious it was released on the inspector gadget music inspired

by the motion picture album oh my god go go gadget banger uh yeah if anybody's listening to it right now a i don't recommend it but b welcome you now live with it you gotta watch you're you're doing yourself a disservice if you're not watching the music video yeah have you ever thought to yourself i want to see as much beige in 240p as possible it's like i want to see every member of a boy band in crisp 144p. And please don't show me a single color. I want the palette of black through beige through gray. I want them all to be wearing beige suits for some reason.

In trench coats. Really big ones, like dad's beige suit it's like uh these are these aren't like tailored suits like the one obama got in trouble for wearing that one time um they're just loose fitting like the 90s often allowed for yeah it's actually really interesting because it's a blend it seems i mean based on the people that are in it seems to be a blend of a lot of euro pop groups and all of the trendy like austrian and german bands are wearing black leather yeah like a bunch of the american groups come over like hey um so i didn't have anything clean to go to school so my dad used the tarp that was over his jeep and uh i think i look okay and they and they let uh and you see

justin timberlake for like three seconds inside of a picture frame um yeah it's clearly an image that they're moving yeah they're okay how's it going i'm justin timberlake and i endorse this you can't tell though because the quality is so bad so it's pretty it's pretty believable um the song is in support of music therapy and the lyrics are uh let the music heal your soul let the music take control um and what i don't know that's a great message but it is the message of the song and i tell you what i'll take any other message other than i'm reading the lyrics now and it's literally all the hook it's just that there's just lines up front that are so the whole premise is that like one member from each band it seems was singing two lines more or less i guess something like that it seemed dominated by like the vocals of the backstreet

boys and in sync to be frank oh yeah yeah they made sure to put the ones that were good up front yeah and then every now and then it'll cut to like uh somebody in dad's suit just being like if so and there's if you have a guitar play the guitar and then it jumps to aaron carter it's sounding awful it's like aaron carter looking his worst as a 12 year old sorry uh sorry bud he's also wearing what i looking his worst as a 12-year-old. Sorry. Sorry, bud. He's also wearing what I can only describe as a gi. He was training with Master Roshi before he went to set.

We can't stop quoting the song and making references to it so we were sitting here trying to start the the show for like a half an hour but we couldn't stop making references to let the music heal your soul so we felt the need to explain all of what we've explained so far. To apologize, mainly. Just as a disclaimer or to cover our asses in the event that we slip into that nonsense during discussion of what is a far more serious and important topic. I mean, honestly, I think it's just it's nice to find something to chuckle about a little bit. So I think that's why our hearts went all find something to chuckle about a little bit so i think that's why our hearts went all in a flower they healed my soul i know i haven't like laughed like that all week for good uh for good reason uh welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings

and other things also i'm uh exhausted and i'm real tired turns out yeah um i'm jarvis So I'm exhausted. And I'm real tired, turns out. Yeah. I'm Jarvis. That's me. Feeling confident? Yep. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it, Your Honor.

Very good. And I'm Jordan. Hello. Did we do that? Yes. Hi. Hey. Come on.

Yeah. No, this is going to be a bit of a scattered show because it's a bit of a scattered world that we're living in right now. Yeah, a little bit. For those who may be listening to the show for the first time. Don't. Yeah. Stop now. We lost them all during a boy band talk.

Yeah, they flipped straight out. The trailer to the comedy podcast about feelings. But yeah, this is a show where Jordan and I normally talk about emotional vulnerability, being too vulnerable boys. We're also black boys, which is like an important thing to say here. Because you might not be able to tell from our voices yep that's as as i've as i've learned um it turns out that's an issue i need to deal with forever uh the inception of this podcast actually uh was a a different podcast called talking white uh where it was me and jordan about, well, basically the same thing,

but the name was based on the fact that like throughout my life, black people have told me that I talk white and I took offense to it because I just, I just talk like this and I grew up around black people and I guess I just learned how to talk from the TV. I don't have any other explanation but i sound like how i sound unfortunately um and uh it's it's a it's a it's a common thing that that occurs it's happened to jordan and he's thousands of miles away hey i can do anything if i can feel insecure then so can you yeah right you do it anywhere in the world but we're doing it right here which i mean like honestly some you know might say that that's a a coping mechanism for like integrating into a

society that rewards such behavior which is no way man no no what come on oh no what hey everybody it's uh it's jordan from the podcast there is i mean as people have probably seen there's like a really horrible trend of a new celebrity going trending and there being a coin flip really it's uh oh yeah whether they go renegade or paragon yeah it's like denzel washington is trending and it's like oh no i feel like i know where this is going but this could go this could go one of three ways he did something amazing he did something bad or he's dead it's just like well i have great news it was tom jones i was worried but it's just his birthday oh god hooray by the way denzel washington did good things so don't worry about him and we'll always have uh the harry potter series and whoever it was that was

related to that what was her name uh jk i'm rolling right now bro she's high man that's the only explanation she can't be uh horrible yeah she must either be high or a person who came from and has always indulged in privilege and almost named their only Asian character Ching Chong. My childhood wants to give her the benefit of the doubt. What am I to do? Yeah. Well, what's great about the Harry Potter series is

it's like one of the first books ever written with no author. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's true. So many books, so much success, and yet there was no creative mind behind them. They say if you let a monkey type on a keyboard for long enough, it'll make Shakespeare or something. If you give a monkey a keyboard and a rough high-concept premise for a young adult series, they'll be able to put out a middling to successful drama within two, three years. Yeah, I was going to say,

they'll create that series, but will slowly reveal their true colors as not maybe the best person just a few short decades later. That was Sun Tzu, I believe. Oh yeah, The Art of War. Just kidding. It's J.K. Rowling.

Just kidding. Rowling. Not kidding. J.K. Rowling. I don't know. Turns out she's no good. We kind of already knew this maybe, but continues to just not be good. Yeah.

It's a problem. She had like maybe the world's largest amount of goodwill and has somehow managed to squander all of it. Yeah. How did that happen? Not only is she a billionaire, but she was like a billionaire in like goodwill. A beloved billionaire. Yeah, you were a beloved billionaire. I think the only other one is Oprah.

Yeah, and to mixed effect. And like, come on. You had everything going for you and you were like, you know what? I'm going to ruin this just to see if I can. Well, can well i mean it's okay i guess let's lead into it this is it's kind of a funny episode because i know we have like so many latent thoughts and we've both both been super lethargic and kind of all over the shop for the best part of a week now and this is kind of the first not explicitly related to the protests or the the large political political impact i've been avoiding as much like i don't know civil war stuff as possible like as much like in community online

shouting just because i don't really have the the fortitude for it and much better people than me are taking care of oh yeah i mean social media is like a dumpster fire right now this is the first one i've really dived into. And it's very cathartic seeing so many people just be... One of my favorite things is the this ain't it chief. Because it's just like... I don't mean the meme. I mean like the ideology. Because it's like, okay, I don't even need a stance to tell you that you suck.

I also do have a stance. But this just was poorly done. You're no good at what you do. Yeah. I'm also not the world's biggest Harry Potter fan. So I'm thankfully able to look at this without too much pain pain aside for the fact that it's just more abuse for the trans community yeah fucking yeah surprise that seems to be america's hobby yeah i can't think of anything more emblematic of where these broader problems are coming from than the fact that somebody who

purportedly respected and wanted to engage with minority communities give representation of those who mattered and made a fucking story about somebody who was born into unfortunate circumstances and then through the help of others in more powerful positions in some cases quite literally more powerful was able to thrive um though also he was uh i guess he was maybe born with a special power so actually maybe she just is a eugenicist. It's actually not way off base. And there are those bankers, of course. That's, ooh, actually, this is all coming back. Oh, she always sucks the whole time.

But the fact that she's being like this is just perfectly emblematic of the fact that people that are very comfortable and have done well and benefit from that comfort, they have broken their brains their brains are incapable of having natural empathy they have to do they have to exercise conscious empathy and people don't want to do that because it's work because it's hard because it takes time to think critically when people don't want to think critically nothing changes and most people

don't want to think critically especially when changes. And most people don't want to think critically, especially when a lack of critical thinking has benefited them. The world just looking at J.K. Rowling and saying, ah, something about the fact she doesn't like trans people, but whatever. You know, the funny Hagrid man, hee hee. And yeah, I guess there are no real characters of color. But oh, she tweeted saying that they actually all were the whole time. Good to know. Like that kind of confirmation bias is what keeps people quiet and i certainly don't want to apply the the drama of the jk rowling thing to you know the the broader events of the world right now but it

does seem kind of thematically linked at the very least yeah it's just like i think it's relevant that she like doubled down i thought that was so strange that she is like and so poorly yeah so you see that oh man i don't definitely don't want to be a twitter replies kind of kind of podcast but this just bummed me out so much there was somebody who replied with like a pretty cogent argument as i recall let me see if i can find it oh yeah uh emily rebecca jumps in and says why do you do this like it's just great nice concise fire uh that gift yeah you didn't have to say you didn't have to say anything this week you could have just like tweeted black lives matter and like signed off yeah taking a free w yeah just easy easy as it

doesn't and then if somebody includes something you aren't a fan of or you genuinely don't believe it because you're a fucking moron then just play it cool for now maybe if you still need to make your trashy take like do it in even if you were the world's worst person you could like look at the current moment and go you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna hold my tongue at this time let's say if for example you were the washington redskins yes and you felt as though you were obliged to post something because your pr department thought it would be much worse not to do anything right so you just you do the black tuesday and you keep the name you have yeah you you have to you post a black square with text on it and uh unfortunately you like this right you guys like this yeah uh now our i do

have to say our our our name is the washington redskins you you get it right you know like you know like like the atrocities we did like remember those atrocities redskins and then the don't even get me started on the logo all the iconography like dude i shit you not i a couple days ago this came across my desk because i looked up hey what did the washington redskins end up changing their name to not did they change their name okay well that must have taken place so let me just like look up the abundance of articles that must have talked about the day that it happened oh no and then i was like getting dinner with a friend who who he's he's also from the uk so it's

slightly detached like we're not we're not oh for sure yeah and kept with a lot of that stuff but i would you know we try to be and so i hopped in i was like that's funny there's uh huh they're still selling merch with that on it oh they've still got the website up i imagine it maybe it forwards to the yeah it's the same name though um thing who's to say who's who's to say what is happening uh this week this month this year i think uh i think we can call 2020 early is there a mercy rule for uh for like uncle yeah can we just say like say uncle and or collectively as a what as a single people. Yeah. How was your week? Yeah, this has been a, it's been a weird week for me. Just like being black in America and,

and like having been aware of police brutality and for all of my life. And also being inundated constantly with like videos of unarmed black people being killed by police it's like it's a lot uh it's a lot to to experience and to like it's a lot of weight to carry at times and sometimes for me it's easier to like disengage as like a sort of self-preservation technique. But one thing that's been particularly different and particularly inspiring to me is that there are lots of people, you know, be it because of social incentives or because of social media or bandwagoning or performative activism, whatever the reason it is, there's a lot of people talking about these issues that were previously not at all talking about any sort of uh social issue i don't think this thing is like really political because it's just like a matter of fact and a matter of life and death um but but the fact that it's even been warped into an idea that could be debated yeah yeah

in the mind of some people it's like hot take hot take maybe we shouldn't be killing unarmed black people. Hang on. We shouldn't be killing anyone. Okay. Okay. Well, you got me there, bucko. I guess we're on the same page, but we haven't even started. But there's so many videos of black people specifically. There's so many videos of cops you know exerting this weird like

power trip i don't know it's sickening but generated by hate fear and miseducation yeah and indulging in it because there's a system built specifically to protect them because all of the incentives of having a police have absolutely nothing to do with policing and just yeah and on top of that they have a uh a a weapon that can kill someone very easily. It's been heavily mythologized as like this special, beautiful thing that you have earned and you deserve. And it's your katana blade. Yeah, you are God. You decide.

You're the decider. You're not a public servant. They are your servant. Yeah, like how did this get so twisted i would say that the one glimmer of hope for me is seeing the protests and seeing a lot more people talking about this stuff and this stuff being in the national dialogue because i've just seen more people than ever who aren't black it's like becoming aware of the presence of racism overt or non like i think the reason that you know a lot of white people in america didn't

really think about racism so much is because they are afforded the privilege of not kind of having it in their faces all the time and so the only time which is informed by the same propaganda that makes you and me slowly become numb to it yeah we normalize it and that means that people that didn't even know about it have to think about it even less i think for a lot of people the only time that they're confronted with racism is is when it's very overt and obvious like they said said the N word or something. I was watching like YouTube, the YouTube algorithm is crazy, right? And it recommended me a five-year-old Jon Stewart video responding to Eric Garner's death, which it's crazy. It was five or six

years ago, but it's like crazy to think that that was so long ago. Cause it, it just like sort of speaks to how long we've been living in this moment. And, and like, we've been living in this moment for far longer than that, that time. But I'm just saying like with cell phones and stuff. Yeah. In the Jon Stewart video,

he's playing clips of largely white men defending the officer's actions and saying things like it wasn't racist. Like they never said the n-word and it's like that's your conception of racism like it's like you have to you have to throw that in there um and oh and by the way n-word and then and then it's like ah racism it's we caught you it's reared its ugly head once again yeah it It's like the devil just can't help but show its little tail now. And then like, ah, we found you. We found you.

You were racist the whole time. Yeah. But we couldn't tell by all the things you did. It's like the whack-a-mole where the moles pop up and then you hit them on the head so that they go back down. But they're still under the ground. The moles aren't gone. Did you get that mole what mole you just hit it no yeah i don't see the mole actually i right now you know i actually hit

the mole i've actually been reading a lot on my facebook about how the mole was actually never there didn't they get rid of the mole in like 1960s like like that wasn't that wasn't that the whole thing like haven't we moved past the mole it was a big walk about how we should stop hitting the mole it's really just trying to do what it does and in my opinion we shouldn't hit i mean really anyone not that anybody else has ever been hit oh yeah let me just back up the the whack-a-mole metaphor uh works a little too well so uh wait what are you talking about uh who's to say oh yours is like an analogy oh a little bit a little bit of a metaphor a little bit of a i was just i was just glad to finally be getting

my feelings out about whack-a-mole oh okay well yeah uh also i've been out of the loop what's going on these days what's going on these days i I have come out of the ground. I was hiding underground. I've been in a hole. Six nines all around or what's up? So yeah, it's just been amazing to see that so many people are becoming aware of this stuff to the degree that they are. And I didn't have to be responsible for like educating them because I think think that that's like a lot of, a lot of weight that typically falls on black people. Like you even see it in Twitter replies and stuff like where people are going to black people going like,

well give me resources, like answer my questions. And it's like, dude, we're exhausted and we are not the like professors of like race. Yeah. And there isn't a counter explanation that we have to disprove yeah here's the thing that happened yeah look it it happened a thousand times

yeah always under the same circumstances here's the data if you're interested in it but don't don't make that claim your argument don't't start the conversation there. No, that did take place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hypothesis is now, we believe it took place because of these things. You're like, I don't even know if that's really taking place. Well, I mean, like, a less insidious example would be, like, I tweeted that Black Lives Matter, which is something that i believe um hot take and uh someone has some like i'm pretty sure it was a child responded like but hey like don't all lives matter and it's like yeah see that's the thing actually yeah um tight you got me on linguistics yeah you did you wow on technicality

but yeah um all genuinely is fucking horrifying to me how many people don't understand this because of semantics oh that is more often than not a huge part of it it's the same reason that like feminism as a term still is contentious yeah because it's like well i don't i don't think women should be in charge either yeah okay sure yes no that that's the premise i yeah i feel like i'm an i'm an equalist oh you mean you're a feminist but you wanted to rebrand there's like these bad faith ways to dismiss otherwise valid points like it's just like with the protests that are going on right now where people are like there is some like looting and stuff going on and damage to property. And it's like, okay, it's insured.

It's damage to property. Like a lot of the people aren't even the protesters. But the impact on the dialogue is astra-fucking-nomical. Now all of a sudden they aren't protests anymore. They are riots. Yeah, and people are like, well, I don't support looting and rioting. Okay. And it's like, all right, man. But like you, like, why are you using, why of which are not necessarily tied to the – like many of which is opportunistic and not actually tied to the protests in good faith. It's like a number of black-owned businesses are being ransacked and it's like, hold on. It's like these aren't – and there's tons of videos of kids just like they don't have signs.

They don't have signs. They don't have any means of they're clearly not a member of the actual protests that are going on. But they're like, oh, here's an opportunity to like wreck some shit. And some of those people are Jake Paul. Apparently. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Finally, he gets his, I guess.

Yeah. But score. Yeah. Finally, he's profiting from this on the bright side i guess uh logan paul had a viral tweet where he was uh describing um what it means to be anti-racist and like he had good points and i was and i was like well this is you put us in a weird position logan uh and i think you you start disagreeing yeah well that was like i don't know i was like i don't know maybe all lives matter relax a second hold on man but like i mean i'm all for ksi but let's relax but oh yeah logan paul versus ksi is a battle a debate the races do you side with the third round

takes place in a in a courthouse it's just a one-on-one debate. Oh my God. But anyway, just to like sum up on how I'm feeling. I'm pretty low energy. I'm pretty tired. I'm excited to be doing this podcast. I'm excited to be talking to you, Jordan. But like, frankly, my brain barely works. It's 1 a.m. right now for me because Jordan's in the Queensland.

My lady. But not Queensland. Yeah, I'm actually in Auckland. Yeah, I'm actually in Auckland. Yeah, I'm fuzzy as hell. But Jordan, how, like, what's your experience this week been like? Dittos on dittos, mate. I was happy to do the show,

not just so we can catch up, but also so I was just, I don't know, accountable for trying to express myself. Yeah. and like being comfortable failing thank you for recording late your time by the way honestly one of the main reasons i wanted to record in the morning is so i wouldn't have time to overthink it oh dude no i'm i'm like more than happy to and i think that that's the thing it's like we don't have all the

answers but i i i think that there's like value in us being imperfect. Yeah. I've got this like, like really sincere. I've got like this aching pain in my chest because what I, I so desperately, desperately want to put the mic to my mouth and, and articulate my feeling really, really clearly and walk away with like, you know, like a quotable and feel really good about my position and how I was able to

boil down all the data into a nice succinct chunk and make my poster statement and whatever and i yeah you know the more i try and find it the less the less i tend to discover it that numbness you talk about yeah it just it just manifests in so many tiny insidious ways outside of the general ignorance that it relies on there's other things like how being this far away from it yeah it's like watching tv yeah because i'm not just like far away from the u.s and my friends and the people would be experiencing it and the actual taste in the air the atmosphere the those things really do affect everything right it's at this point los angeles has almost just become like

a theory to me i remember most of the details but it's been months at this point yeah and i'm not just in england i'm in the cotswolds i'm like in a you know you drive for 10 miles in every direction you're gonna meet maybe 500 people right like it's not totally totally quiet but it's what a population of 20 000 in my entire the city area effectively and so there's this and most of them are staying inside for obvious reasons yeah yeah i'm not just not seeing it or hearing it up close in person or on the same time zone i'm just not seeing it it's have you seen your name yeah yeah i feel like i'm in one of the two your name timeline oh yeah yeah you're like I'm in one of the two Your Name timelines. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're like on the other side of the looking glass. Yeah, I'm going to come back to LA once the embassies reopen, and I'm going to get home, and there's just a big crater. Yeah. And then you're there, and you're like, what crater? What are you talking about? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, man, that hits me. Your Name, great movie. Very unrelated to the current moment, but related in this metaphor. Although I will say, if you're anything like me, and you like to indulge a feeling with an even more intense version of the feeling uh you want sad media for feeling sad your name will fuck you up something fierce oh man i'm like crying just thinking about that movie i'll put you straight in the crying toilet um i still

cry there's like a couple tracks from that soundtrack that i've listened to with the express reason that i want to cry like that i would use it yeah i remember you telling me that you were in like the back of a car on a road trip listening to the your name soundtrack and crying i was like yeah the back of a car on a road trip through like rural canada yeah beautiful snowy landscapes i've whipped out what must have been an iphone 7 at that point a little slow to the job it was a it was a click wheel ipod actually the year was and i didn't have any headphones so i had to listen to it carefully next to me job it was a it was a click wheel ipod actually the year was and i didn't have any headphones so i had to listen to it carefully next to me the year was 20 xx just escaped the crater this is in the future this is in the future past and if i wasn't if i was in the

post-apocalyptic future the only banger i would want is the soundtrack of your name by rad wimps yeah it's been a lot of uh here i'm hoping that i'll figure out my feelings be able to express them but every time i start to say something i kind of hate what i'm saying yeah but that's the thing it's like we're just people like we don't you know we're not like we like we're just experiencing this as people for me it's like i feel very surrounded by it and it's i think a lot of my unproductivity this week has just been me getting sucked into these like social media wormholes where I'm just like watching video on video of like police brutality. And I'm like, bro, how can there be so many of these? Like it's,

or looking at like my, you know, old neighborhood in San Francisco and how there my you know old neighborhood in san francisco and how there you know was a circle of police surrounding a bunch of like photographers and in journalists and like media people uh who were like peddling them yeah like told to like lie on their stomachs yeah individuals peaceful protesters doing a public and attacking press is a literal fucking war yeah yeah like actually literally a war yeah this is what complacency does and that's why it feels so frustrating feeling all like lethargic and slow and unenthusiastic because that feeling that that we both felt so fucking engulfed in for the last 10 days is the root of this evil yeah like it the fact that we're complacent on black people being murdered and it is murder yeah yeah murdered on purpose yeah and that becoming basically just a

grim part of the background hum yeah like a fan a few meters away from the mic as opposed to the screaming rhetoric flying directly into the mic being fucking yeah i don't like having to stay inside because i might get sick yeah it's like that's like far more prevalent and the moment that all of a sudden this is a priority it's oh listen to the curfew yeah don't be being difficult it's all which is another like bs thing right but yeah you're exactly. Like that is how these people, these like police officers who are supposed to be protecting people are acting like completely out of line with any humanity.

Like, despite the fact that people can be filming the thing, you know, it's like, how can you have such confidence and such like sort of sticking to your fucking guns, no pun intended, in the grimmest way possible? Like when, you know, for nine minutes,

people are shouting at you to get off a man's neck and then you just keep doing it. Like what the fuck? It just doesn't make any sense you know and it's just like it's like so they know what they're doing and so then what does that mean you know what i mean it's like we're all in with the shit that's spat out by the propaganda machine like we're at the end of the process and we're just the muck on the ground and even us talking about this now we're having to consciously check

to make sure that we're not just saying things or believing things because we were spoon-fed them a decade ago yeah and that's like and i we talked about it in our black enough episode yeah god knows how long ago yeah i it's funny you opened up and you said that like we are black and i even more so than ever i'm really struggling with that yeah like identifying that way yeah i like maybe have not said it one time yeah yeah all of this started and i think a part of it is like i i mean i'm wrong i should say you are you are you are you are literally african but there's like i think it's more prevalent now because i can't help but feel like a lot of the response to this partially out of necessity is very indulgent yeah it's like very hard for me

to not see some of the promo from from white people white friends of mine in some cases being a little self-congratulatory oh yeah it's so it's so strange i i know what you mean and it's like no everyone starts from like everyone means well yeah there's so it's so strange i i know what you mean and it's like no everyone starts from like everyone means well yeah there's so much to dive into there and there's there's plenty to clown on honestly but there's this the reason that part of me feels like i should be clowning on it and gatekeeping on it is because there's some insidious little part of my brain that wants to minimize things oh yeah absolutely prejudice and abuse is it's a system or a people or a person hearing something they don't like and when i say don't like i don't mean disagree with

or ethically disengage with or any of that conscious shit yeah i'm talking about like oh i got a c minus on my test here's what most people do here's what almost all of america does they read that and they go i don't know give me the a yeah i don't want this yeah like fuck it their dad comes along and they just write an a on it like oh i got an a no you didn't get an a you fucked up again just because somebody told you you didn't or offers you a simple solution there's a whole reason jordan peterson can be a top 10 new york times bookseller because he wrote a reason to clean your fucking bedroom yeah go on a walk in the afternoon or drink water you stupid little shit the reason that the reason that he can have any success

is because people just want to hear no you shouldn't feel sad and scared because actually there's this really easy digestible reason why the world isn't falling apart and that couch you just built from ikea was actually really nice and it won't get stolen it's not your fault it's it's a it's the scapegoats fault yeah there's some greater thing happening it's the scapegoating and it's women being inherently evil like that truly is the basis point of like every shapiro info wars It truly is just, no, there are simple elements to the universe and if you feel bad

it's because something is wrong. Not because you, or rather it's because that thing is wrong. It's not a symptom of a bigger problem. It's, hey, Black Lives Matter. You read that you don't even know why, but your lizard brain your limbic system goes, ooh I don't like the idea that racism could still be limbic system goes oh i don't i don't like

the idea that racism could still be around and that's threatening so it's way easier to ignore it yeah yeah wait no i think i'd actually like it more if it didn't exist bullshit all lives matter like it it's no it's no thinking happening it's also like when you were a member of the power structure like and you know it's like in in not that's not to say that we are not because like we're men for example but and like there's a whole a whole thing there but like if you're a white man for example and you've been in power everywhere for like a really long time anything that like challenges that you start to you know there's this human loss aversion that happens where it's like we've got to protect the family jewels like yeah like you're entitled to those jewels yeah just

because you've had them for because your family raided royal france and took all of them yeah now it's been a couple hundred years you're like no come on i like the jewel and most of the people trying to protect the jewels like will never receive the jewels because they don't, those jewels aren't for them. But there's a few people with jewels who are like, you're just one groundhog away. Like that woman or whatever got in your way or that black person got in your way to the jewels.

If you're able to get me the jewels and under all circumstances to your own personal sacrifice, make sure nobody can take those jewels away from me, you'll definitely get some at some point. Yeah. Totally. I'll give you the opportunity to get your own jewels probably at some point. But if they steal them, oh, then the economy will go down the toilet. They won't be doing that already. It's like a microcosm of this that just came to mind.

I think it was like Alex Jones was getting a divorce or there's a court case or something where his attorney, instead of saying that he's like a crazy person who actually believes the things he believes, they're like, oh, it's all a character. Oh, yeah. It's a funny meme. Which would actually be worse, I think, because's like uh because if you could like be a human being who's like that fucking like exploitative or whatever and you don't actually believe it well then you've got a lot of like you know conservative media people but but the yeah that i say that was i mean if like you're if you misdirect a militia to like slaughter a town and you did it because you thought it would be funny or you thought it

would maybe even worse it would like help you sell your like skin oil that like makes or that you're like man juice that you put on your like every time i think of alex jones the first image that comes to mind are those two back-to-back photos of him with his top off and one he's just redder red power look at his very red body uh power thirst man um i know throwback jesus christ i know oh my god a server in my brain is spinning up for the first time uh uh but but the alex jones thing is like he has this like ten, $10,000 watch. And there's, like, they try to, like, I think on his show, he, like, tried to explain why he needs to have a $10,000 watch. Or, like, the, like, megachurch pastors who were, like, no, I need all these private jets and shit. Yeah.

Well, their justification is always in the realm of, because they'll always say shit like uh or like because a lot of them are improvising too much way too old to have like the faculties to move quick so they'll be like you know i'm with the the lord see and when you're riding with the lord you can't ride with with scumbags in coach i mean the devil is in the devil is in coach yeah the devil in the coach is a i can't fuck me I'm forgetting his name. The really creepy one with the doll's eyes. Yeah, dude. Don't even put his image in my head.

I know exactly who you're talking about. He just flashed with like... Yeah. He looks like... He looks like Jigsaw from Saw. He does, yeah. It looks like if you took a doll and then you cracked the shell around a doll

and all the stuff fell off, he would be underneath in a suit. He's wearing the doll mask. He's evil incarnate. There's like a genuine quote of him saying he flies private or first class because there are demons because of the demons in coach. There's also the people who are like selling silver, like liquid silver to cure like COVID and stuff. And it's like, okay, I don't want to like deviate too much from like where we're getting at here. But using our sponsor code today, you're able to actually buy that in bulk. It'll solve pretty much anything you can think of.

Mack Weldon, silver, tinted underwear. So, yeah, I just think that going back to the original point i see people trying to protect the powers that be it's like an object in motion stays in motion it's much harder to like unseat that motion it takes like a strong opposing force and that's like what i feel like you're seeing with these protests and it's like change doesn't come easily. It never has. Right. Like.

And why would a system that's broken build mechanics that let you break? Exactly. Yeah. Why would you trap somebody in jail with like a fun escape route? They can figure it out. They're allowed to go. Yeah. It's like, well, if you just complete the puzzle, like don't kneel. Look, it's like some guy who represents like the white patriarchy is you're playing this fucking like hot and cold little Goldilocks game where it's like, can I kneel?

Is that how we stop the racism? And it's like, no, no, no. There is so. Oh, my God. No, no, no. You can't kneel is that how we stop the racism and it's like cool no no no fucking there is so oh my god no no no you can't kneel becoming it's just becoming the rage episode yeah there is like this the motif of people saying well this isn't the way to protest oh yeah yeah is fucking hilarious what like again people it's the not observing ideas you should be observing it's fridge logic right like yeah you just say something out loud and then you go to the fridge five hours later oh wait what the why did i say that doesn't make any sense except most people don't do that yeah instead they go and like take a picture of them next to their taurus uh the

their ford taurus car yeah it's all them sat in their ford tourist with like shades on and the reflection through the window being too strong and their steps suddenly hates them sat next to them whatever there's this like that whole bad faith argument rests on the idea that people want to hear an easier solution yeah that's what all of it is it's like oh shit like like and i think we're all relatively guilty of it with the start of covid yeah i was not dangerously skeptical but i heard that i was like oh it's another bloody SARS is it no come on yeah because it would be so much better if it was yeah it would be so much better if it was a contained incident that didn't scale out to the degree where people were in a lot of danger yeah but as another point of comparison i was

treating that like sars wasn't bad because it didn't get to right right but it's also like it's just sars it's just another one of these little things and now that three people in extremely quick succession are murdered with a ton of press acknowledgement now we're all reacting like uh oh well yeah but now racism's really bad yeah it's uh but to your point about uh covid stuff it's like the feeling is very human it's like well i would like my i would like my life to continue being convenient and and and wearing a face mask don't sound very convenient to me uh and people are unable to process the idea that they have biases like that. That there's like, well, look, it's okay that you want this thing because it's nicer to have it.

That's okay. You can feel that way. But you have to acknowledge that that's why you're feeling that way. Not because you have some kind of high-minded, perfect, objective truth that you're fighting for. Like that whole libertarian thing or it's like look i'm not doing any of this for me i'm doing this for humanity i'm doing it for the state as opposed to like no like you don't you want to pay less taxes because you want to have more money yeah yeah and that's it's okay that you believe that but acknowledge that part

and then go well go through the flow chart be be like, okay, well, I want money. Do I want that money more than widespread health care for everyone? Yeah, that's the thing. It's like there's a natural selfishness to this where it's like, okay, the first feeling I have is like, well, I don't want to wear a mask. But then I learn about the personal risks and I'm like, oh, well, I don't want me to feel bad because that's even worse than the inconvenience. And then, and even if that's not a thing, there's like the multiplicative impact on others that you could have. And that seems completely lost on some people. And it goes for the sake of slight inconvenience. Exactly. It's like black people are not asking for

a lot the same way. Like, like we're not asking, like, I don't want to keep like comparing COVID to this, but like, it's just like, I guess because there's relevant points to pick out because we're sort of walking back to this very innate human psychology thing. Yeah. It's a problem escalated by those in power ignoring it. Yeah. And it's just like, I get that you want to live in the world where racism doesn't exist. But in the meantime, it sucks. You know what I mean? It sucks for everyone but you.

So, like, could you, like, you know, you could because you exist in a system that benefits you that gives you the cheat codes to like not have all the problems that everyone else is having and then pretending that those don't exist and the only solution being for everybody and i don't even like saying this out loud because i fucking hate this ideology so much being a a model minority. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, well, this keeps happening because more crime happens in minority areas. And it's like, oh, so your whole thought process ended there. Yeah. You looked at some stats. You went, more happened in poor community.

Okay, poor people, crazy, evil. Yeah. And there's just, like, no third step to the thought process. It's all surface level right it's like if you ask why you immediately like any reasonable person would go oh like yeah maybe it's not the people doing the thing it's the circumstances and these systems that were like introduced to produce that produced this outcome right like most people don't know that being wrong feels the same as being right yeah they're like well no i don't feel like i'm wrong that's why i can't be i remember i remember

when i'm a little kid i would get in trouble and they'd say did you eat the cookies yes i did but i but i wouldn't tell them and i fell all guilty and bad but i don't feel that right now so i can't be wrong because i don't feel wrong oh i want people i'm sure nobody who is not on our ethical political wave right now is still listening which case good but if you do happen to still be listening and you don't agree with anything we're saying go and watch like a flat earth documentary go and watch like h bomba guy actually harris has a really good video on flat earth society because it's a perfect example of a group of people that want to believe something because it's more convenient

because all of their friends are in this society now and they go to conventions and they meet up with everyone go and watch those people and then purport to be scientific and data driven and genuinely curious and to believe in real science and then watch them do an experiment which they say before they do it axiomatically will prove whether or not the earth is flat get the results proving that it is a sphere and then ignoring them yeah this has nothing to do with real science real data real quantitative thinking yeah this is oh that really does sound bad i'd rather it wasn't bad i guess I'll just say it's nothing. I guess I'll just say it won't exist.

Or I'll say it's too big a deal. Or I'll say that any model protester would be writing up legislature on a sandwich board and holding that outside of the court. Don't shout. Don't kneel like that guy I didn't like on sports TV. Instead, just, you know, send me an email or a tweet that summarizes all of the things

i should be doing and i like all of all of the other white people will give you plenty of time to do it and take it under serious consideration why has no one yeah why has no one sent a proposal to the council of white people you know what i mean like do people like that think that the reason that like racism is still around because we never thought of that right it's like it's like uh it's like people it's like it's like you're trapped in a room and you like have a pickaxe and you start like pickaxing your way out of the room and there's a door and people are like why and it's like why don't they just go through the door those idiots there is no door it's not it's a painting it's a painting of a door that white people made a long time ago and now when white people look at it from a mile away they go isn't there a door why

don't people go through the door they don't get up close to something about a door they don't get up close enough to realize there's no door they just go it looks like there's a door so you should probably just use that if you want to solve your problem of getting out of the room you dumb dummy you're doing this to me says that you chose not to because do you see those people inside the room picking their way out with a pickaxe those idiot rat people those scum of the earth they're hurting your cause that's the i mean if you let them do that i mean really they're just ruining your argument yeah and i mean like these these box people they just they're getting wood and scraps all over the neighborhood uh picking their way out of the box and it's really

inconvenient to me because i like to have a clean neighborhood like have you seen these box people around they just like they have debris everywhere why don't they just go through that door? I don't know why they're always digging. Yeah, why are they always digging? They're just constantly digging holes in a wall, and there doesn't seem to be a reason for it. These people, of course, live outside. Yeah.

Like, these people have never been constrained in any fucking way. Look, I just want to be in the outside where I'm unconstrained, and I don't want to have debris around. And meanwhile, people are like, could we come outside, please? And it's just like, just go through the the door go through the door to a different outside i just don't get it why these box people cannot go through the door it just doesn't make any sense it's so simple and whack-a-mole dude yeah we do a ted talk about work honestly it's like we have no idea how analogous it is like we're just doing it about a game we like yeah yeah it yeah, yeah. It's all... We get like a Nobel laureate for our TED talk.

We're like, oh, how come? Oh, interesting. I thought racism was fixed. Oh. We were just really excited about the mole. I am quite impressed with the number of analogies and metaphors that we've come up with on the fly that work yeah i was a dense one that one that was like an mcu there's a full cinematic universe

but we talked to feige before we recorded this i mean i will play the role of iron man's computer before you get every tweet yeah his computer's name was Travis, right? Weird, yeah. But no, like, I mean, I was there with you. We were building that cinematic universe together. It was really layered and, I think, good. I'm picturing, like, one kid from the Midwest who, like, wasn't paying attention for most of the episode

and his family is, like, staunchly Republican. that guy is now making fan art and cosplay for our uh our box story are you just the sad boys it's just like a weird funny little improv podcast where they talk about being in a hole someone on twitter uh was uh was tweeting out about black creators and stuff and they they mentioned me and they said Jarvis, he's a little quirky, but he's a fantastic creator. They also, you're great at what you do in spite of the way that you are.

They also spelled quirky. Q W E R K Y. Quirky. You're a little quirky. Oh my gosh. Oh, we live, we live in hell in hell i just said we live in hell offhandedly i was like oh ha ha we live in hell we live in hell turns out but anyway actually yeah that's another to add on to the broader analogy like it's we all live in hell and a bunch of the angels keep telling us it's fine.

They're just, like, floating on wings and they're shouting down to us. And they're like, just don't, I don't know, wear cooler clothes. You seem to be getting overly heated. Maybe just come up here if you want to. Yeah, why are you sweating? Relax. Just come up. Just come up.

Like, what's so hard about it? I was born. I was born up here. So I don't know. I was a baby. I mean, a baby was, it must have been so hard being up born up here. So I don't know. I was a baby. I mean, a baby must have been so hard being up here as a baby. I don't know. You're a full grown adult.

I don't know what it's like to be down there because I've been up here all my life. I have to assume it's the same. I have to assume it's quite easy to be the way that I am because I don't appreciate my own life. So it must be nothing how have you been finding the people reaching out to you people tagging you experience in all senses friends but also like listeners and yeah it's uh i would say i'm trying to think of a way to put this it's not fucked up oh no please no no no it's just like in some ways in some ways it feels like racism is a chronic illness that i've i've been diagnosed with you're right and hey uh i i just wanted to like um i heard I heard about the racism

And How is it That must be really hard for you Yeah I wrote down that it feels like The worst birthday ever It's just I don't know are you much of a birthday boy I don't generally

Well what's nice about you and me is that we can Cut a birthday in half and not have well what's nice about you and me is that we can cut a birthday in half and not have to deal with yeah also fun fact uh jordan and i have the same birthday and we like to spend our birthdays together sometimes it's adorable i know it's adorable we watch speed runs the my stress with birthdays come from not that like people are being very nice but it's that i don't know how to react to the nice and i also don't like the expectation that i should or could right right a lot of the time it's somebody gives you a card and you're like okay i'll open the site and i was like no you can open it now like but it um okay yeah now

i'm monitoring like how i'm reacting to something and it's i mean it's all done with goodwill are you getting i think i mean i think i know exactly what you mean by the time on this example you're just getting like the um hey yeah uh maybe this thing isn't so good that kind of thing just like thinking about you and just wanted to check in and how do you feel about that it's like so for me jordan cope so so it's funny because I actually, like, really appreciate it, to be honest. It's just, it does feel like it's my birthday or something. Like, I was, I was, I went to the grocery store and, like, my neighborhood, there's a nice grocery store. Went to it.

And then there's the one that you're legally supposed to go to. Right, it's segregated. No, there's one for colored sorry uh the it's it's okay we found the name of the episode wait it's okay we can make that joke so the um i was coming back from the grocery store and like while i was in the store a bunch of people with signs, all white showed up, Black Lives Matter signs, and walking through, like they were just like on the intersection and walking along the sidewalk across the street, like by that intersection to get home. I felt like a celebrity. I felt like I was the Golden State Warriors coming home to Oakland after winning the national championship. Because everybody's like, Hong Kong, Black Lives Matter.

None of these people are black. I am. I'm just like, fuck yeah, I do. Hell yeah. Why? What did you think before? Right. Thank you.

Thank you, I think. You seem pretty excited about it i know it's like you just discovered that i shouldn't matter yeah game of thrones was on tv yeah we were we were busy we were busy watching game of thrones there were eight seasons it took us a moment no i know exactly what you mean it's funny actually now you you talking about it in that way so i'm back in my hometown hometown yeah yeah yeah listeners already know but nice thing about my hometown hometown is it is i mean it's chronically white yeah it is through and through that is a nice thing incredibly right and it's like with the exception of me and a chunk of friends growing up it was like very middle and upper class why we're talking very bougie houses, but also just kind of like that.

It's a very performatively hippie, lipstick liberal kind of town where it's like, oh yeah, we've actually been doing a little bit of activism to raise money to send one of our kids on their gap year to India. Not just directly support, but do something that we really want to do

and frame it in a more optimistic way. Like I'm going to Africa so that I can have this nice photo op for my college application to Harvard. Yeah. And those kids probably want to see what like a camera is. They probably have no idea.

That must be really exciting. Then like, yeah, this is the iPhone 11. Don't fucking touch it. Oh God. Get me my other one. My other iPhone. Give me a newer one. It's Mr. Jobs.

It's literally Mr. Jobs who's currently alive at this story. And I have his number. There's, like, straight up, my entire life was filled with people coming up to me and at random intervals. I mean, often it was because I'd been through some horrific racial abuse but a lot of the time it was just like oh my god you're so exotic can i touch your hair oh yeah i love black people oh yeah i would vote for i would vote for obama twice if i could yeah i would vote for obama at all as a non-american it's all truly the most like get out was a very shaking shuddery movie for me that was like truly because i again a lot of my imposter

syndrome with this stuff comes from the fact that i don't like come from a history of american slavery yeah my family were not on those boats they were just in kenya yeah i don't know it doesn't like i don't believe it disenfranchises me from being able to talk about it in any kind of way but like some of my doubts or again i'm wrong right this opinion that i hold is right because you exist in the culture that uh does not give a shit yeah and and you know spent my entire childhood being called a nigger. Yeah. I feel like it evened out to some degree. But, like, being back here and seeing that scene, there's been, like, a couple protests down by the city hall.

But when I say city hall, I'm talking about, like, a New York apartment square footage. It's literally a hallway in the city. Yeah, near a city. And it's, don't get me wrong Very much appreciated But it is very difficult for me And I may not necessarily be in the right in all cases It's very difficult for me to divorce

My experiences being younger Of everybody Loving the chic of activism And like still wearing Like I shit you not man I was recently in a house With pictures Wait fuck what was recently in a house with pictures wait fuck what you were in a house you gotta check it out dude just try the door oh fuck it's so easy it's

a callback callback sounds and noise this is this is pre-recorded in uh august of 2017. It's not from right now. Oh God, I have terrible news. I hope nothing happens in the future. Last year's election was the worst thing that'll ever happen. It can't get any worse from here. Can't wait for him to be kicked out of office. Also, I am quite optimistic about the ending of Game of Thrones. It's only going strength to strength.

Yeah. Okay, so you were in a house. I love Jared from Subway. He's not done anything wrong as far as I know. I know that's a specific statement. No reason. Oh, boy. But yeah, like I was straight up in this house.

Not Netflix. Fuck. Where they had photos on the wall of their family straight up just wearing, like, traditional African clothing. And these are white people? These are the whitest people. Oh, God. The whitest people you know. Oh, no.

The whitest kids you know? Straight up, like, traditional African clothing. And they know it, man. Like, they specifically talk about, oh, yeah, well, this was during our trip to... Are you familiar with Nairobi? The capital city of Kenya? Are you familiar with Nairobi? Yeah, the one that my family lives in.

I've actually got a cousin named Nairobi. This is my little son, Nairobi and he just like walks he's blonde shitting yeah that was a very specific memory i think that exact thing didn't happen but like there's those kind of photos and they pay again like lipstick service to the idea of progressivism but they voted for boris like all that bullshit oh god it's another thing where I know I'm wrong But I have to I have to like consciously Remind myself that the messages I'm getting Are incredibly sincere

Like tags for like sad boys And arcs in like Dude it just fucking happened I was gonna say Black content creators and I didn't It was like coming to my lips and I went yeah but like Oh yeah Fuck man I was gonna say Cause you were talking about this earlier or later it was like coming to my lips and i went yeah but like then oh yeah yeah fuck well dude that like i was gonna say uh because you were talking about this earlier or later depending on how we

edit this episode but depending on uh what happens continuity i want to live in both worlds i live in both realities but um in my very formative years like didn't really identify with my black identity, mostly because I was an oddball amongst all the people that I knew and all the people that I knew just happened to be black. And so it wasn't like I was I was making a conscious choice about anything. Everyone was black. So I wasn't like thinking of it like that. But yeah, I mean, your interests and traits were just your javas yeah i just didn't allow it was just me um and so like claiming my blackness became a thing for me much later in life than i think it would have if i didn't stop occupying black spaces as much

because what what happens and uh mkbhd who is an awesome creator in a video about about some of this speaking to his experience but like i you know was in chess club and i you know like played magic the gathering and like all these fucking like nerd ass shit where there just like weren't many black people around and then the school that i went to like i was in this like uh quote unquote gifted program where it was like there weren't that many black people in it and then i i mean that's the gift yeah that's oh god that's the gift that they give all to the white to all of the white kids yeah and they were like well we'll let the model minority in um yeah and Wait, what is it you play? Did you say Tekken?

Oh, come on in. Yeah, you play RuneScape in the clarinet. Where do you sign? Great, come on in. I'm going to kick your ass later. You're a loser, and I like it. So, you know what? You're cute.

You're not at all like the thugs I see on TV. This guy's nice. They said you'd be dead by 25 tick tock so which uh in 1997 is yeah so fucking behave yourself yeah i went from like this middle school gifted program to this like magnet program in the high school and so like due to redlining in my hometown like black people lived on the east side of town and like everyone one else lived on the the west side of town uh hey yeah there's a thing for people who aren't aware of like just how recent apartheid was yeah yeah that's what that's what they call it black culture is is not living in the ripples of other racism. Like, oh, there was so much racism back then that it's still a little bit racist. It's like, no, there was just full pro-tier racism.

It was... When we were alive! It was premium, get it now at my OnlyFans. Like, fucking full on. This is day one, lining up outside the supreme store cop that race it was yeah it was it was limited edition high quality racism like the gucci main prejudice essentially redlining is like banks denied loans to black families who were trying to buy homes legally they were allowed to do that they were allowed to do that um it's fucking

ludicrous you do that sorry i'm just gonna run no please on that like dangerously dangerously familiar well racism's over there's just there's these little pieces to clear up there's just a yeah a little bit of a little bit of a lobster i've got on my shirt yeah bib didn't catch all of it there's like a lobster living inside my pants so yeah i mean like the thing is i remember a couple years ago somebody dm'd me like disagreeing with something about institutional racism um which which is well they didn't like it yeah yeah yeah i was a huge fan of it i I was like, I love only fans. Um, but I tried to illustrate like this example with redlining and like,

they really just didn't get it. But you know, it's like if my family still had the house that I grew up in, it, it like, it, I think it was demolished. Cause it like was worthless. Uh,

and in a, in a area of town where like land is cheap, uh, because that was where all the black people lived because that's where the black people had to live. And then meanwhile, the white side of town has all of the fucking nice restaurants. It's got all the like burgeoning economic development. And so property values rise over generation, but it trickles down right no so basically so what happens is it like it stagnates or almost completely like black people's ability to like accumulate wealth

generationally uh which is just like another sort of it doesn't make any sense they don't need to because it's trickling down well they don't need to because it's trickling down well they don't need to because they got all those reparations uh that's right yeah yeah the 40 have you gotten your reparations today 40 acres and a mule what was it like yeah wait did you get oxen this week i mean we joke about trickle-down economics that's almost become a meme at least amongst the black community but it is like a genuine thing people still believe yeah the idea that you infuse the economy by creating extremely rich individuals and businesses and then just assuming that because you know nobody's racist so probably i black people i imagine let's not check well it's it's like it's useful though

because like jeff bezos solves all of my personally. He just sprinkles a little of the sugar on me. Is that a back-to-back sugar on me reference? By Death Leopard. Ooh, by Jake Paul. Spread that sugar. Pour that. It's everyday sugar with the Disney Channel booger. Unhealthy. That's everyday sugar with the Disney Channel booger. Unhealthy.

That's another thing. Talk about coming from behind. Do you know how much white culture there is to fucking catch up on? I think I said that. What did you just say to me? I said. At work. I said speaking.

We're at work right now. Well, so what I'm trying to illustrate is that in two episodes ago, one episode ago, we referenced Pour Some Sugar on Me for some reason, which is a song about ejaculation, I have to say. I have to say. I have to say. Oh, I do declare. it's in my contract um i was like who who does that white snake and then i think you also guessed like a different band i took an equally weak swing i mean the eagles or something i don't know but uh but we went for various animals. Yeah. Wait, wait, hold on.

Yeah. I was like, was it the white snakes or was it the eagles or was it the leopards? Like, I do my best. Yeah. I think it's easy to make that mistake, judging from the fact that I do not come from listening to these rock bands in the 70s well i know actually you've talked about those before but like not just those bands in the 70s but your influences weren't like i guess you'd just call it like mainstream white pop until you chose them right yeah well i mean like i remember n-sync chose you n-sync chose me n-s did choose me, but I like used to watch BET way more than I would watch any other

entertainment channel. You know what I mean? I think the most visceral memory is like going to, I want to say, I don't know if it was Russell's Bar Mitzvah. My friend Russell Cullen, who's a nice Jewish boy, who I love very much. Yeah, model minority.

Or as he would say, a Jew jew reekin as he's half puerto rican um uh these are all his words that i'm contractually allowed to say um that you forced him to start using yeah so i think it was like his bar mitzvah in you know uh you know when he was what was this 15 years ago at this point where journeys don't stop believing came on and i witnessed a sea of white children start singing the song at the top of their lungs and i was like what the fuck is going on i was all in perfect sync yeah dancing just standing and staring at you it's like why does everybody know this song from like the 70s i don't none of us we were all born in 1992 um but yeah there's just a lot of culture to catch up on it's just like a very a very low stakes example of like how people are different and how like

sort of structures oh my god so many people are like you don't know the beatles that you don't know this song by the beatles and it's like no when do you think i listen to the beatles what do you think my like black ass sat down and was like all right let's see what sergeant pepper has to say um this is some good words i don't entirely understand i don't know what they're saying their accents are very weird yeah i i mean i didn't even grow up listening to the beatles but that was just because my mom fucking hated them but also like my mom would just like play michael jackson and stuff and so it's like okay cool you know like it's it's just different it's just different being not white and that's a thing that like people just don't know that's crazy to me man what even if it

starts to influence them it's so much easier to not for it to not be the case yeah so let's just keep saying it isn't until it goes away that's the perfect solution and i don't care who you are i don't bloody care what you bloody say if you are the kind of person that is skeptical about things like this when you see things like this come up and your natural inclination is to wince back and even for half a second think isn't this a little much or isn't this a little bit too much of a drama the reason you think that is because you are misinformed or just like the why your brain is doing that i would say like for anything in your life if you have a, if you have a strong reaction to something where you don't actually have the experience. Review.

Why did you feel that? in the world rather than like what i perceive a three-dimensional human's complicated life is based on like my oversimplification from no experience and no other evidence whatsoever like that is the exact reason why stuff like this persists so much and it's because people in comfortable situations and i think the word power has a lot of implications and power also applies here but far too often people are like oh well i just i you know i only make you know seventy thousand dollars a year and my dad pays for everything but i'm not like power we don't have like a yacht yeah you're in a privilege is the uh privilege is not a special extra thing it's the absence of bad things yeah it's just you don't have a bear trap around your leg or it's like it's not that you have like bear trap protective shin guards you just don't

have one around your leg and that's nice it means you can do things that other people can't but if you keep having those kind of reactions we're like oh i just i don't like this the fact that there's the whole incel community reacts to anybody being nice to a person online especially uh somebody identifies as a woman if you're nice to them you must be virtue signaling the reason that they think that simp you're simping you're simping well yeah if you're a fucking simp i don't want to say this to you obviously you don't be a cup bait a simp lord but like legitimately the only reason that keeps happening is because people in those positions, those kind of incel kids have no problems aside from the fact they can't get laid. They're not thriving and they're not doing well, but their blame does not go towards a system that makes them feel disenfranchised or a lack of socialization or a lack of love and care that makes them feel alone.

Instead, it's just, no no i'm actually doing it right and girls are ignoring me because they're playing games and um actually they're pretending to be a gamer because they're trying to get close to me everything revolves around my personal there is nobody makes decisions independent of the things that i judge and engage with if you happen to be into sports it's because you want to fuck girls it's got nothing to do with your address or what you might want to get a scholarship for i am default person and everything else is set up to reflect that and what's sad is that like those people if they simply like didn't make it a the world is out to get me situation and recognized like how much power they do have in the position that they are actually in they

would have no problem solving their biggest problems in life but instead they're getting all the wrong advice and just like uh repelling anyone that they would want to date you know well they've already done see javis they've already thought like a lobster and cleaned their room i mean what's left i mean? There's 10 more reasons. Is it 13 reasons why? What is the name of the book? Look, you're asking the wrong guy. I think the name of the book is like, hey, I'm Jordan B. Peterson.

Here are 13 things to keep you complacent and think that you're improving yourself while really just keeping you away from actually arguing or impacting a power system that benefits me. Good night. Yeah. It's everyone else's problem. Yeah, it's everyone else's problem. Yeah, it's everyone else's problem. Don't check.

Yeah, don't look that up. You know, another impact of these systems is like, I think a lot about the fact that like the compounding advantage that I've accumulated in my life, because I was cherry picked to be in all these programs that other people were not picked for. And I kind of essentially got put on the bus to like do the stuff that all the privileged kids were doing or whatever, or do the stuff that the kids whose parents like wanted them to go to college, for example, were doing. And like college wasn't an aspiration really that like my family had for me. You know what I mean? Like that wasn't a thing that was like a default. It was kind of just like do the stuff, you know, it's like try in school, I guess, like, and then just like get a job,

become a part of the workforce. And it's like, I didn't have forces at home driving me to like the things that I ended up doing from like, you know, 18 to 28, I guess. It was driven by a lot of other forces. It was my Scottish math teachers in elementary school, Dr. Gottesman and Mrs. Schmidt, who told me to apply, apply for this program at this middle school. And then like at the middle school, it was like meeting Russell and meeting all these people who's like, oh, like all of the smart kids are going to this school's program. And I was like, oh, okay. So I'll, I'll do that next, you know? And then even applying to a school that wasn't in my state was just somebody going, hey, you should apply out of state and be going, oh, you know what I mean? I can do things that I want.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I just, I don't know, man. It's just like I, and all of that was because I was in those spaces already by, you know, for me, like, I don't want to say it's like luck entirely, but like, it's not opportunity that's afforded to everyone because, you know, when I went to high school, my high school was like 20 or it was like 2000 or 2,500 people or something. And then it was on the East side of town. Uh, and so it was predominantly black because like, that's who was zoned there. I mentioned the East side of my hometown was where all the black people lived. Uh, and it was predominantly black because like that's who was zoned there. I mentioned the east side of my hometown was where all the black people lived. And it was called Eastside High School, you know, right, right, right, you know, describes where it is.

So but there was a magnet program at Eastside that was for like IB, International Baccalaureate and like AP classes. And I was doing that. But at the same time, I was seeing all these people that I had went to elementary school with, or who grew up in my neighborhood, but they just weren't in the classes that I was in. And it was this weird, like class divide, literally and figuratively. But I could feel myself on this ramp that was leading me to, you know, my peers were going to all these fancy schools and doing all these fancy things, but every day, but the school itself, like the literacy rate at my high school was like in the high 80%. And that's not very high for a high school. You know what I mean? Like, and like, there's just like all these problems and even, you know, exacerbating the way that we kind of push these problems under the rug.

Like right before I went to my high school, my high school was ranked like the 15th high school in the nation because of the volume of AP and IB tests that a small fraction of the student population was taking that kind of just like overshadowed the fact that there, you know, were real shortcomings to the education maybe that some of the students were getting there. There were a lot of things about my school that like, it would not look like one of the top schools in the nation, you know what I mean? Because I don't believe that it was serving the majority of its population with the same stuff as the small like percentage of people that were propping up the rankings you know what i mean so i don't know man the the way that these systems play out it's just like i i just often have this like thought when i like go back to my hometown and stuff where it's like what made my life different you know what i mean what put me on this like path to

be where i am now what the fuck do we have to do to stop that from being so exceptional yeah exactly that's what i'm saying because i don't like i wasn't you know it's like i'm not trying to like shit on myself like i think i'm you know good at stuff and and smart and capable and all that stuff but like the the thing is that I wasn't very directed at that age, at that young age, I wasn't like, I need to do this thing. I need to do that thing. You know what I mean? Like I was kind of just going with the wind. I happened to like this pachinko game of my life, like the pachinko ball or whatever. Pachinko? Yeah. That's the one we drive down.

The bouncy ball. Yeah. Yeah. bouncy ball yeah yeah the ball just kind of happened to bounce into a favorable outcome but i think for i mean obviously you wouldn't do this but i don't think it's out of the question that some people in a similar position of privilege now and no people do this all the fucking time actually people that complete the so-called quote american dream and believe it was all just a meritocracy and they just worked really hard and don't acknowledge the luck or influence that came from people in more powerful positions that helped like the teachers it would be so easy if you now turn around and be like hey kids you can do it too just drink your milk and eat your vitamins you can join me in the sun i'm claude

kent like it's just bullshit but it's so tempting because then you get to hold on to the idea that everything you did was entirely up to you and it was all your your focus and intellect and that's another motivation for people to not believe that the system is unfair because yeah shit man if other people are failing because they were set up to fail then did i have i ever really achieved anything yeah it's like um i mean but we've got like examples of this in the classroom a lot where like there's a self-fulfilling prophecy of like if you tell the kid that they're promising, then like they can my special little math class and it would be like all eyes on me as I'm like exiting the classroom to go to the gifted math class or whatever. It's called gifted.

So now I'm just like fucking walking around and it's like, oh, he's gifted. And all of you other people, you're not, you don't have any gifts. Like what kind of bullshit is that? There's a reason that this kid is in this kind of class. Like he is the exception to the class. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he is the exception to the rule because it's the gifted one.

Yeah, it's just like... All of the black kids are in different classes because they are not gifted. He was able to, like, generate a high enough power level to fight in the tournament. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just, like, upsetting because I don't want to belittle my own gifts, but I also know that it's not a pure meritocracy. And I think that that's like what you're what you're illustrating, because it's like, look, for the all the use, there's a thousand others that deserve the same kind of opportunity. They didn't get it. Exactly. Yeah. And there's people who've been given every opportunity and squander it. Right. So it's like, yeah, they've had to settle for a 250 000 job at their dad's bank yeah it's like the the safety net the like yeah the harvard golden parachute yeah just how i don't did an internship at snl

and then i decided i didn't like comedy anymore so i had to just settle now i basically just live on the boat your name is uh der Michaels. Lorne Michaels' son. Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting thing. It's an interesting thing. That's all I've got. It is an interesting thing. It's an interesting time.

Black lives matter. Always and forever. Please stop killing us. Yeah, please stop killing black people. That would be just neat. Please stop killing us. I'm doing it again. Please stop killing us.

Hey! I got a couple quick how are you's. We threw out are you on the sad boys for sure twitter at sad boys pod and i just wanted to give some people shout outs because they were very nice we got robbie saying chilling i suppose you question mark yeah we're thriving mate we're thriving hell of a time to be alive uh we've got some really really sweet uh astro says yes brackets i'm not doing too well and then phase simp comes in and says hope you're feeling better hope you feel better smiley face thank you phase simp i see you're in here a couple times i think you might be in the discord also uh we have a discord um we do have a discord yeah we have the nicest discord online it's been really cool I actually got a little

DM from somebody who was like thanking me for the discord and I didn't even set it up Jordan set it up and they were just like happy they were just like happy that they had people to talk to about things and in a non-judgmental space and I was like damn man all they did was make a link yeah I mean whatever you

haven't been interested in we recommend hopping into the Sad Boys Discord. You can find it at, let me double check this. Jordan ran away. He put down his mic. No! He put down his mic and he fled town. Let me check this mic.

No matter what you're after Discord-wise, if you hop over to bit.ly slash sadboyspod. No caps in that. That was important. I accidentally told people it was briefly, and it.ly slash sadboyspod. No caps in that. That was important. I accidentally told people it was briefly, and it was broken. Sadboyspod. I think both work now,

but don't fucking test me. Bit.ly slash sadboysdiscord will take you to a whole shebang. I recommend it if you just want to chat to people, but also if you're looking to be a little emotionally open and stuff, we have a seeking advice channel that's been doing really well and seems to be helpful to some people.

Everybody just hops in there. We don't do it. It's all of the much smarter, much kinder people that jumped into the Discord. And we also have some silly channels. You know, just getting a little silly. We've got a Triass channel for shitty memes. We've got episode chat.

We've got bangers. We share music. You know, it's crazy. And then at some point when I get back and I have my gaming pc me and jarvis will make little announcements in the game boys channel yeah man i can't wait to like twitch stream some video games and stuff that'll be really fun it'll be fun um otherwise jarvis yes they know they probably don't want to follow you but they might want to jump into discord if for some ill-guided reason they do actually want to follow you how can they do that um it's pretty easy uh you can type in my name my first name jarvis j-a-r-v-i-s on twitter instagram or youtube uh and i'll pop up just my name it's cool can you

tell i'm tired yeah it's cool man you got your name on stuff that's really sweet it's pretty cool it's pretty cool man cool man just a couple on stuff. That's really sick. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool, man. Pretty cool. Man, just a couple of drowsy boys. I'm extremely jealous. However, they should go to your channel because I think the video is up. Oh, yeah. By the time this is out, then my video should be up. I think it will go up on Monday. It's been dragging my feet because it's a week. Hey, I mean, little shout out to all the people that are probably in similar positions of us of like man i haven't achieved anything for the last week no

and all the i mean it's just that the world is on fire and we're you know protesting in the streets but i mean i could and yet i'm and i'm all lethargic and not as effective as i would normally be oh what am i what's wrong with me specifically jordan where can you be found on internets i can be found everywhere including a custom youtube url oh look at this guy go check out that channel join the the 10 000 patient subscribers they're all been waiting they're they're on that they're they're uh camped out on the front door of the apple store grand opening join an extremely tolerant and forgiving group of people uh over at youtube.com slash channel i don't even hey what's up it's boomer dad here i am let me take a selfie in my redskins to cap

my favorite team never changed that i agree My favorite team. Never changed their name. That I agree with in all ways. They changed their name in 20XX, but I still wear all the old merch. I think it's that. I'm Jordan Adika, A-D-I-K-A, on everything ever. You can find me there. You can go on Twitter if you want. I won't engage with you, but I like it.

You can follow me on Instagram and you'll see that I've been too intimidated by recent events to use it literally at all. Maybe we'll touch on that next time. I like genuinely that's how i feel too i've thought so many times like okay do i make my statement do i put my thing up and like i feel like the biggest platform i at least have access to is sad boys so it felt fine to yeah yeah that but like i don't know man i tried doing a Blackout Tuesday. I like wrote this post and I just, there is too much to it. And I still, I can't shake this feeling that anything I do will come off as exploitative or self-indulgent. And even though that isn't the case, because it makes me feel that way. The only solution I could find is doing nothing. And I know that sucks and I want to do something, but I can't for the,

I just can't indulge in a trend. I don't know. Anyway, no, the whole thing. I know what you mean. I was very self-conscious about everything that I've been posting, but the thing I remind myself,

one, you know, black people have a pass right now, I think. Good point. And so people subscribe to the youtube you can wait a little longer okay uh and then and then too like we're well-meaning people who are spreading you know hopeful and in good messages and like your voice deserves to be heard and there's a lot of not black people who listen to our show watch my my YouTube channel and stuff. And like, I just see the like the value in in using my platform to reach those people because I do, you know, have this identity.

I guess I can share it. It's like it's my life. It doesn't seem that interesting, but I've I've come to learn that there is value in sharing it. So here we are. What a time to be alive. Last little shout out I'll give, by the way, before we dash and say a particular phrase. I would like everybody to, I think we're going to shout one out each episode.

I want to give a shout out to the Black LGBTQIA Therapy Fund. It's on GoFundMe right now. This was shared quite a bit in reaction to JK Rowling being an enormous TERF. You can find it if you just search black therapy fund if you search black lgbtqia therapy you'll find it fairly easily but we'll also link it in the description it's a really really worthwhile cause especially since during this time of pretty aggressive awareness it's still not enough regarding the black trans community yeah like there is it's just i mean if we're living in hell the black trans community is like living in the yeah it's just fucking insane black trans lives matter if there's anything conscious we can do

about it we should so go and check that out it's also fairly informative so it's just got a good opportunity to educate yourself a little bit if you'd like to it's just i know it's just like an interesting insight into how valuable a service like this would be yeah and uh it grew so fast the initial one was like a thousand dollars so they could pay for therapy sessions for two black members of that community aged 18 plus and now it went straight up to like 20 000 oh hell yeah it's about to hit 36 000 that's amazing i love that i have a 45k goal i think that's to like make it very, very widespread. Go check it out. Have a whale of a time.

Tell them you sent us. They don't know who we are. You really please. You do not have to. Some sad boy sent us. Actually, please don't. Let's just remain anonymous on this one. Yeah.

Please do not. Please do not cover the donations with references to us. That would be horrifying this is not a bit this is not a bit okay i'm just gonna stop talking please don't it would be the worst case scenario okay well here's the only good scenario out of that i guess if there's hundreds of people that want to deny us and they go and they do it anyway well it's hundreds of donations i guess i can live with that's true that's true yeah if you really really want to screw with us get in there put 50 down yeah we put a nifty hundo sorry i have your youtube channel open because i was trying to

dislike everything very quickly so that's what you do there is a thumbnail for day in the life of a software engineer the thumbnail is me lying on the ground yeah why did i not know that i've seen the video i think it initially wasn't initially it was like you dancing or something to be fair i did i did i did lie down prone on both of those early videos it's true it's kind of what you do when you know like you know like goats fall over when you scare them yeah you've got to film it. I think what happened was I tried that out as an experiment. The video was underperforming so much anyway that I just like didn't bother ever looking at it again.

So it's just like this weird thumbnail of you lying down. It's like the only one on here that isn't produced. Yeah. It's like a candid. It's like whatever, man. Whatever. It's just like a photo of a dead man oh boy

we we do have fun we do have fun don't we we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase I'll say the first part Jordan do you want to do a really sleepy version of it yeah we're tired boys alright

we love you oh sorry BLM BLM BLM boom do a really sleepy version of it yeah we're tired boys all right we love you oh we're sorry blm blm boom all right love you guys bye love you My name is Jess. My name is Jess.