Sad Boyz - Reading a Waluigi Fanfic (w/ Mike Schubert)

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

Recorded September 6, 2020 Follow Mike! ► https://twitter.com/Schubes17 Watch Us Live ► https://twitch.tv/sadboyzpod   Follow Us https://instagram.com/sadboyz https://twitter.com/sadboyz  

uh-oh i think i may have gotten disconnected i'm being silenced by the breast milk lobby for big breast welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also i'm jarvis and i'm jordan i don't have a i don't have a joke this time to go with my name. That's sad. It's fine, right? Today, we're joined by a very special guest. You know him from the Horseshoops podcast. You know him from the Potterless podcast.

Or maybe you know him from the brand new podcast, Meddling Adults. It's Mike Schubert, everybody. Hello. Wow. Thanks so much for having me. I'm so happy to be a sad boy yeah was that like a choir style audience job oh that's everybody's like that's what you're supposed to do in church instead of clap it is sunday so you know we're on brand labor day weekend the lord's weekend welcome to the church boy it's a podcast about god bless up and that's it what do you think bless up i went to catholic school for 12 years i can speak to it oh wow i maybe we should talk about that look at that form we haven't wow that was incredible ready to rock that was you had to do it to him with prayer hands um so we like are having mike on today we're just gonna gab hang out yeah we

should put a laugh track on this podcast talk about why personally i have my selfish interests of talking about things that that mike is an expert in and that i am curious about like uh like basketball and um potter list which i assume is a podcast about the alternate universe where JK Rowling never said anything transphobic. I mean, it wasn't that originally, but now it is. Yeah. Okay. The story checks out. But first, Mike, how was your week? It was good. It was an interesting week in that we had come back from Texas. I spent like two months in Texas just being with family since my wife can just work from home now because of the world.

Okay, flex. Wife flex. That's cool. My wife. Okay, we see you. Oh, yeah, my wife that, you know. Very nice. Oh, yeah, you've got all your fingers.

All right, cool. All right, that's very nice. Cool. So we just got back, but actually a friend of ours was giving birth to another human, so we had to watch over their kids while they were in the hospital. Just as like a hobby? Yeah, they were just doing it for fun. I mean, it is their fourth kid, so I guess it's a bit of a hobby for them at this point.

And it is a kid. They didn't give birth to like an adult. Nah, unfortunately. I checked in with Malcolm Gladwell and she's definitely got 10,000 hours in gestating a child. That's the point where it doesn't hurt. That's when you're a true expert at it. Yeah. So we actually got to go over and babysit the kids, which was fun.

I got to play the great game of what's this like a thousand times where kids just ask you questions and you have to answer things that you didn't think you'd ever have to describe before. Like one of the things they asked me, what's pinball? And I had to describe pinball. And let me tell you, pinball sounds very boring when you're explaining to a seven-year-old like oh there's a metal ball and it rolls down a slanted glass encased uh ramp and you try to keep it up with plastic flippers oh i feel like if you had just been like it's a game it's an old

game they'd be like okay and then like walk away, you know, I do say glass fortnight. It's a glass fortnight. Yeah. I started by saying it's a game for old people. And he was like, what do you mean? And I was like, Oh, no. So yeah, I had to double down and actually explain it. I feel like my way of describing things to children now would be to start from iPad and

then work backwards from there. It's like an iPad game, but it's in real life and it's very large and it takes up a lot of space because back in the old days we weren't smart and we didn't have the technology that we have now yeah when i talk to a young kid about technology now i feel like i'm amish i'm just like it's like uh it's like an ipad and you mean and they go like you mean the ipad original that's now advanced into klimpomp yeah yeah sure and it was bird too with rpg mechanics i love that kids can't talk but they could probably like make an app faster than i could like that upsets me yeah has the baby made an app yet or is it just kind of it's uh you know it's it's just understanding the concept of you

know like breastfeeding and stuff i'm an expert yeah if it thought the it's just understanding the concept of, you know, like breastfeeding and stuff. I'm an expert. Yeah. I thought the mom's nose was the nipple. So, you know. Lazy. Yeah. That's right.

Yeah. Jarvis is notoriously an expert. Role-renowned expert at breastfeeding. I did it for years. I do want to ask about your week, but a quick point on this breastfeeding meme. I recently. Yeah, because I have no idea what's happening, so I'm glad that I can finally learn because I'm just seeing tweets and it's like,

clearly some YouTube video Jarvis made talked about breast milk, but I missed it, so I'm very happy right now. Well, the update. Welcome to the Explaining the Joke, a segment where we take the fun out of everything. I'm Jarvis, and I have made several videos talking about animated stories that claim to be from real kids. But the second you investigate like any further, you find out that it's almost definitely a content farm that is just trying to make money pretending. And then the elevator clapped. Yeah. A channel made a video that, for lack of a better better term used my likeness about being uh and then

and then the story told in the video was about an adult being addicted to breast milk and also not only was it using my likeness but the person's name was jarvis and they were wearing a shirt that instead of saying trying my best said breast is best and so it was like a hundred percent no it was it was a hit job i think actually full shade no cap it was like a hundred percent no doubt it was a it was a hit job i think actually full shade no cap it was incredible what i've learned recently is like you know it's to me it's clear that it was like some edgelord trying to i don't know do what edgy people think they're doing like it's like you think you did something. And I have recently discovered some intel because this channel is reaching out for Instagram promotions. The people who made such famous videos as, you know, I'm an adult that drinks breast milk, whatever the fuck it's called.

Like Jarvis is a pussy ass bitch, I think is the title. And then also My Mom Loves My Cream, which is a video and then and then also my mom loves my cream which is uh a video that looks and is awful so it turns out that they think this this this channel is like presenting itself as if they're making some big societal commentary because like youtube has become too pc and people are so easily triggered yada yada yada. And the way that they're going to show it to everybody, the way that they're going to stick it to the man and community is by fucking, uh-oh, I think I may have gotten disconnected. I'm being silenced by the breast milk lobby. For big breast.

I'm being silenced by big boobie. So i'm i'm here to speak my truth i'm here to tell my story and they just they don't want me to be heard so uh what i found out is this channel is like going asking people for like instagram promos uh and their big thing is like oh you know youtube's to pc yada yada yada um and this is how I'm going to stick it to them. But I think that like, for me, the critical missing link in this content, which is something that I said when I made the video about it is that it doesn't matter if it's a joke, because if no one knows it's a joke, then it is just the thing that is bad. You know what I mean? Like, and it's like, there are people who are like, oh, obviously this is trolling,

but it kind of doesn't matter because not everyone knows. And so the damage is like already done. And it's not even that like, there's big damage to be done here. It's just like another shitty channel. So I, so like my point is like, you've really done nothing, but make a bad version of the thing that you're parodying without the wink and the nod to the audience to like have them feel smart for getting it because it's too much the thing that it's making fun of rather than like a parody of the thing there's no parody yeah there's there's

no link of you to breast milk it's just like let's make fun of this guy sure yeah that's how we're going to do it and in their defense you did at one point drink breast milk and you have to admit that uh well like when he was a baby that's true no i can't deny i can't deny um my first words were breast is best um the the thing though is that i'm not even talking about me it's more just like the the channel itself is like all of the videos are just videos that do exist on all these other like shitty channels so without any additional commentary or context it's i don't really know if there's a joke there anyway what i appreciate so much about the breast is best video is that it's it's just aggressive yeah it's like a genuinely transgressive video there's there's kind of a bit there as you say and they've clearly like mocking and and and taking a shot at you but it's basically just like you can in the the writing and

even the performance you can feel this tension just like oh fuck you man just like i don't i don't actually think they're genuinely angry i don't actually think that the people who made it have a problem with me even like uh i think it's just to like get a reaction so i wasn't offended by it at all and i made a video about it knowing full well that that's what they wanted me to do because i was like i get a million views if i make this video and i get like a viral tweet out of it and like their video still has like a hundred thousand views and it's not monetized youtube flex so it's like no i'm just saying like it's like i actually get a lot of benefit from like having something to talk about

whereas uh whereas i mean like they do their i'm happy to beef with i'm happy to fake beef with channels people eat that shit up anyway that's enough of you should post an apology to them no tap yeah i really didn't want to make this, but I have to come to terms with the fact that breast is best. Jordan, I was going to ask, how was your week? It's good. It's actually very good. That's nice.

It's been a sequence of good things. It's been quite some time since there was a sequence of good things. That's awesome. With no caveat, some good kind of approach to Visa stuff. Like no cap, but no caveat. No cap, no cap. This is a pretty good day, no cap. No caviar?

Oh, now it's a bad day. Damn. Yeah, no, it's been solid. It's put me in a solid mood. You know some of the good stuff, and then there's other things like my stream has just been really, really fun. People have been really lovely. PC arriving soon, which I'm fucking jazzed about.

Oh yeah, I sent off Jordan's PC. Fingers crossed that it arrives when it's supposed to and in one piece. Well, no, it'd be fun to put the Lego pieces back together again. Yeah, it's fun. It's a lot of little coincidences that just put me in a good mood. And I don't know. I'm feeling a little brighter for the first time in a long time. Hey, that's good.

I like that. Do I articulate that in a more detailed way? No, I don't know. I'm feeling a little brighter for the first time in a long time. Hey, that's good. I like that. Do I articulate that in a more detailed way? No, I don't. No. Actually, podcast listener, you haven't earned it from me. I'll tell you what you have earned from me, though. Details about Mike Schubert's week. Oh, wait.

We already asked him. Oh, wait. No, I meant Jarvis. Damn. Actually, no. Fuck it. Schubes. Ask Schubes again.

That's fine. I thought the first one sucked. Watched a lot of basketball, and that was good. if we need a segue for you to ask me about it but yeah the playoffs were super fun hello guys i'd really like to talk about my week if that's okay do it that's fine okay tyler cut this out oh all right well i mean if we're gonna cut it out i don't really i don't need to talk about it i just wanted to have fun share with my friends no please fire away it just won't be in the episode and i'm gonna take my headphones out oh well sorry dude i feel like i'm being aggressive it's only because i don't like or respect you it's not like a crazy i'm not trying to be an

ass no no i understand it's it's completely warranted so i asked me and chiefs are talking about it actually yeah um yeah i had a i had a good week tight man what's up with uh what's up with people these ankle breakers these these shoofted whoops man nothing but the bottom of the net am i right yes uh jay what's up my guy oh me yeah uh it's good week i think what day is it when are we who am i what day is this it's a recovery week for me think. I had a bad week last week just in terms of stress and stuff. And I know I kind of knew what I needed to do. I knew that I needed to make sure I was taking care of myself, like stop neglecting any and all self-care in favor of work.

Hot take, maybe it's good to have balance instead of just only working and then becoming exhausted. You know, it's not instantaneous. I still have like a lot of catching up to do in terms of taking care of myself and cleaning up my apartment and shit like that. But I've started making those strides. And so it's like incremental and I'm taking it slow. I'm like, you know, working on a video where I'm not rushing to get it out because it doesn't have a brand deal on it. So it doesn't really matter when it when it comes out. And so I'm just trying to have fun.

I'm just trying to just trying to have fun and appreciate stuff. Do you notice a change in your habits that comes in that direction? Because some people always espouse the benefit of, hey, change, change your day to day habits and that'll improve your mood. Whereas often if coincidentally or even coincidentallyidentally but you just change your mindset when you think you think happy and that's all happy oh think happy you stay happy you can stay happy i mean there's always a world where you do that and then all of a sudden oh wait i'm staying in touch with my friends more or i'm yeah i think more smash in my life i think it's very much like when it rains, it pours in both directions. So it feels like when things are going well, I'm on top of everything. Like all of my habits are handled,

like the dishes are clean, the room is tidy. And also I'm feeling energized and productive at work. And then something drifts out of sync, like I'm riding that good feels wave for a while. And then things start to drift out of sync and drift out of balance. I lose my balance. I fall off my surfboard. I crash. Right now I'm in the period of the deep. Not right now I'm in the deep. You're swimming back to your surfboard to get back on top. I'm swimming back to my surfboard. I'm trying to get back on top. I'm going to catch the wave again. And then I ride it for as long as I can, you know? So I'm getting back on the board this week. The only thing that I try to keep in mind is whenever I'm riding that wave, trying to make it, trying to do things that

help, help me stay in it for longer, if that makes sense. So like, while I have this energy, let me try to use it in a productive way rather than like expending that energy and then falling off my board sooner rather than later or whatever. Yeah, ride that momentum. Exactly. to be like, oh, if everything has a price to it and it's like, oh, pick up the dishes when you're done using them and put them in the sink and even wash the dishes, that costs $10 and it pays you back eight. Or maybe it even gives me back eight and then it also gives me a few shares in future happiness that I'll appreciate over time. Yeah. To continue this metaphor. Sometimes I run low on liquidity and I overdraw from the bank, even if I've got some irons in the fire that'll pay off later.

This metaphor is like surprisingly working for me. I'm sorry to subject you all to it, but yeah, I do love a good. I think it's also like with these kind of things, sometimes it's like important to choose like which which thing makes the most sense for you to do right now. Like this past week, I got a late start to getting Monday's episode of Potterless out because of caring for the kids while the baby's being born. And I was up like really late one night editing. And I was like, I got to get this editing done. But my brain was just like done with it. And I did have a lot of like cleaning around the apartment I could do.

So I was like, while my brain is not in the right space to do a bunch of editing, I'll do a bunch of cleaning because that's more mindless. And I'll like throw on headphones and listen to a podcast and something that'll like the right space to do a bunch of editing, I'll do a bunch of cleaning because that's more mindless. And I'll throw on headphones and listen to a podcast and something that'll kickstart me to do it. And then I'll be happier later because then I won't have to do it. The dream is that it provides you with a little bit of the mental acuity you'd need to then come back to the edit with a sense of, oh, I'm a human being and I matter and I can do things. I did a thing. It's worth sustaining myself.

Also, I like a feeling that I could definitely get addicted to. I won't say that I'm addicted to it yet, but I would love it if I was, is when you do something productive for yourself. Let's say I clean my living room. I go to bed. I wake up the next morning.

I'm getting ready to go to work. I walk to the kitchen to like make my coffee and I'm like, whoa, this living room is clean. That is a good, that's like, it almost feels like I'm in Mario Kart and I just like ran over one of those like boost strips that like makes me go even faster. It's like, yeah, I was like, whoa,

I didn't even realize I would get this extra boost just from some work that I did the other day. For me, falling out of balance is me losing sight that doing those things is actually gonna fill up my bank rather than deplete it. So anyway, that's been sad boys podcast about feelings. And now we're moving on to basketball boys, because I do like a sport. We talked about this on the Drew Gooden episode, and not the basketball player. And we have a expert in our midst, self-proclaimed. We don't think so, but he's full of himself.

I do run around saying this all the time. Yeah, you're right. And the NBA playoffs are upon us. And we've had a few game sevens. We've had very dramatic turns of events. I feel like I should put on this. Oh, yeah, there you go. Yeah.

There we are. Oh, my God, yeah. NBA correspondent. Oh, wow. Wait a second. Your expression changed. and i put on this oh yeah there you go yeah there we go oh my god yeah nba correspondent wait a second your expression changed i shifted posture you became basketball sorry can i just can i just break to say i really hope that like people who stream 2k have on a headset then with a sweatband over the headset it was a fun look to have a go over the head yeah it made me feel like ronnie james or whatever isn't he really good at 2k he just got signed by some uh like tsm or something yeah some team somebody i know that they're good because a lot of people in the comments were like this is dumb so i know they are good i think that that's that was the thing

people were like nepotism something something and then other people were like no he's actually quite good at 2k very good and also you would imagine he's got a pretty good basketball mind, considering his experience with the sport. Sure, nepotism can play a form in any media, but I think the risk of putting somebody on your small number of, your small list of players is maybe not worth it. Speaking of- I think they would only put on actual players.

Speaking of non-traditional signings, it's funny to say traditional in the context of esports, but are you guys familiar? And I do want to get to Basketball Boys, but this is a little bit of a sports corner, but nerd style, nerd style sports corner. Are you guys familiar with how chess has become a huge esport?

I didn't know it was becoming a big esport. It's become big in my life because I already played chess against one of my best friends quite regularly right and now that i can't play real sports because of covid chess has kind of like satiated my competitive desire of when you say real sports i don't understand sorry physical sports with multiple people weird oh, you usually play chess on like a basketball-sized court. Yes, yes.

Two chairs, middle of the court, lots of people around watching, sweating on each other. And you do beat the shit out of anyone that you take. If you're able to diagonally take a pawn, you do tackle them to the ground. It does seem like games where you don't need to be in person to play them have a lot less risk, you know, like objectively better. I don't know what this sports thing you're talking about, but I'll hear you out in a second. But yeah, so TSM just signed this guy Hikaru. So it's Hikaru Nakamura. He's like a chess grandmaster. He's a very, very good chess player. And he's, I'd say, the first person to open up the chess world to the general esports world because he can put on his

performance hat as a streamer and be a very entertaining educator in terms of the game. And when you're watching anybody who's an expert of, let's say, Fortnite or Crown of Strike or something, and you're just in awe of their of their skill i think he has a lot of those a lot of those benefits but what's interesting to me is that i don't know currently if there's other big chess people there are many i just mean an east like sort of like oh is anyone else going to like because because uh like as cloud nine got casper hikaru hikaru is pulling in like 17k concurrence and stuff on his streams. Wow. But like no one else in chess, to my knowledge, is getting anywhere close to that. Like I think there's also a conversation about like when someone big in the community gets big, how that runs off to the rest of the community.

But I know that a lot of big Twitch like QXC or XQC or whatever his name is, was playing a lot of chess. And then like Critical and a lot of other big streamers are playing chess now, but not people from the chess world. And so I'm interested to see like, you know, like even Magnus Carlsen, who's like the biggest troll, but also big, big chess brain. I don't know if he has any interest in entering that type of thing. So it's kind of just like a sponsorship and content deal, I suppose. Yeah, I would have to assume that there's going to be more trickle from existing esports folk or at the very least,

like high tier players on Twitch through to chess than there is from the traditional chess world into esports. Absolutely, yeah. There's a lot of elitism I've been seeing, like where Critical has had a couple videos about this where the chess streamers talk about these twitch streamers as being like

talentless and like people who don't have like it's like very elitist you know are there any two communities in the world that are more gatekeepy yeah i was like wow like why be so gatekeepy about this i don't understand the game is so old standing in front of two different clubs looking at each other like i'm like chess hasn't had a balance patch in 600 years like i don't understand how you can be free to play for so long yeah yeah i don't understand why you're trying to like night op gatekeep this uh everyone knows the queen needs a nerf like it's come on it's crazy i don't know i don't But it's interesting. What do you think the next big traditional game or sport to turn eSport will be? Has Catan popped off as an eSport yet? Because I've been also playing a lot of online Catan. I don't think it's popped off quite yet as an

eSport, though I do think there's some sort of European board game craze could be big. That would be my guess. It's just some board game that's very popular i could see like if people really get into like that or like splendor or even something as old and awful as monopoly i could see like a board game that many people know because it's like the next step of niche from chess which is like a well-known just like yeah yeah that's existed forever do you think do you think the mormon church would be willing to invest the money to really make the game of life pop off in the esports scene? Is the game of life a Mormon thing?

It is a Mormon production. Whoa, I didn't realize that. That's why you get so many points for having so many kids. And famously, Monopoly was like an anti-capitalist criticism. Oh, like a satire. Yeah, it's like satire of Great Depression America. Right. That was ironically kind of

stolen and reattributed to uh this businessman and uh kind of proves the entire point of the whole thing but yeah yep shout out john green is a great episode of uh the anthropocene reviewed about it oh yeah shout out to i would say friend of the pod but up and coming youtuber up and coming youtuber slash author john green i'm one day going to ask him to be on the pod and he will decline but he will probably reply at least he will reply to my email to decline that'll be nice i'm sure the the god know why would i do that will be pretty pretty polite yeah yeah i'm trying to make sad boys just like a hodgepodge of guests that you don't think would have anything in common but the thing they have

in common is that we want them to come on the pod it's pretty good way to go yeah and that there will be consequences unless someone makes the big pixar it all happens in the same universe thing where they draw like yarn strings between all the guests i do it's all intertwined i would love to have easter eggs in youtube i for the longest time i've wanted to add things to my videos that create like a very long-term lore and one i'm just bad at remembering to bring things back like there was a time travel bit that i did where i said something about like six months in the future and then i started getting tweets about oh it's been six months and i was like oh right i should like make this reference and like i never did um i tried to do that when i made youtube videos i would always put the same pair

of pajama pants in the back but in like a different spot every single time just because i was always like doing it in my room so they're always there but i was like if i just keep doing this maybe at one point someone will comment like why are the pajama pants always in a different spot and no one ever did it i've i've got a few i've got a few easter eggs and things but i want to get i want to get schwifty i want to like make it i want something to like live for a long time in in like the background and then have it sort of pay off at uh you should just get a plant just like have a plant in the back and everyone could be like the plant's doing so well That's actually a great idea. So the last thing I'll say on the chess thing is I would not be surprised

if there's a company working tirelessly right now to create a game that is essentially chess, but then with balance patches. I think that that would be interesting. It would level the playing field between the esports crowd and the traditional chess crowd and is probably a, like I was just thinking about

like the gamer brain and how there's a lot of history to chess and a lot of memorization because, you know, we're not computers and computers are better than people at chess and a lot of things is like pattern matching from previous situations and knowing how they pan out

because of your like knowledge of the game. A ton of meta play based on expectation yeah and a la like there are objectively the ways to play heroes in overwatch at a competitive level but now they'll fuck up the team comp on purpose to trick right like cloud nine yeah and so i would love to see what is the difference between chest and battle chest because i knew that the esport battle chest was very lightly popular oh i have no idea what battle chess is maybe this thing already exists there's features that are different and there's not a ton of games that indulge in it uh we should just ask our friend jeff about it because he literally just

created a chess game and now he's reaching out to streamers and esports wait jeff as in clearly my jeff son oh that's sick i needed to catch up with that guy anyway his name is jeff anyway that's enough of that now i want to hear about basketball from our resident nba expert mike schubert what's happening in the world of basketball yeah okay headbands on ready to go so the nba playoffs are happening and they have been truly truly dramatic in that we've had a lot of game sevens we have had games that have come down to buzzer beaters we have had very stressful games that are very good in terms of like both teams are playing so well that it's back and forth and stressful we've also had ones that are stressful where the teams are playing so poorly that it's a question of who's gonna mess

up more and then lose the game so there's just been like every single type of game. There have been upsets and all this. And it's just been a very intense playoffs so far. And it's like not even at the halfway point. So follow up. We're in a bubble. I think we briefly talked about this on a previous episode. And no, we're not talking about how we only listen to only listen to things that confirm our existing beliefs but

the nba is in a bubble uh literally they're in orlando yes they are okay yeah they're in the disney wide world sports complex right so the players of all the teams except for was there a team that opted out so there were they first invited 22 teams out of the 30 my favorite team the knicks got left home because we were so bad that we had no shot of making the playoffs so they said don't bother so they had 22 teams killing all of our players just to be bad at the game they had 22 they had 22 teams that like conceivably some of the teams because the top eight from each conference go so they had like three extras on each conference to see like you guys could fight your way into the playoffs right and then now what is happening is as the playoffs go and teams get eliminated those teams

have to leave what is a fun thing though is now that some of the teams have made it farther and other teams have gone home those players and uh the referees as well can have like family members or significant others come and stay where the other teams used to be since now they have room at the complex so interesting fun added benefit of your team going in the next round is like oh my wife can you get more emotional children that's actually that feels great that's good and like weirdly like feels like a hostage situation where it's like if you don't win this game you don't get to see your family yeah or i guess you can see your family either way yeah it's just you don't

get to play basketball and see your family i know and that those are my two favorite things it's like being a jedi you have to make the choice so i i have a lot of questions about this so yeah so my understanding or like what i've heard through the grapevine is that there's been a lot of shake-ups and unexpected happenings in the bubble for unknown for unknown reasons oh wait wait real quick the when the teams leave do they quarantine for two weeks before they leave or do they just like jettison them out no they kick they kick them out of the bubble like the day after your team's eliminated you have to go i don't know because they say wow they forced them to go to an influencer party it's

because they don't want to waste i guess money and testing on them right but i'm just like i guess if they're tested but i'm also just worried about it's kind of like when they're sending everybody home from schools, it's like, great, you had a bunch of people infected with COVID and now you're sending them all across the US. What I will say is that the players get tested every single day. So the teams that are leaving do not have COVID. Okay. That's all I needed to know. So I was asking about the craziness that's gone down in the bubble because my understanding is that some very unexpected happenings have occurred in terms of team performance. Yes. Most notably, the Milwaukee Bucks,

who were the best team in the entire league by record, and they have the person who has already won defensive player of the year. He will probably also win most valuable player for the season. Is that Giannis? Giannis Antetokounmpo, the big Greek boy. Giannis Antetokounmpo. Yeah, I know that. I've watched many a video about his athleticism and how he's amazing at basketball. And his Greekness.

It's terrifying. He's an alien from the planet, Dunk. Yeah. It's just, it's like, it's, it's unfathomable that I'm the same species as him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is cool. Like, I mean, yeah. Also, I heard something about how institutionalized racism works where Giannis didn't have didn't have citizenship in any country, despite the fact that he was born in Greece.

Oh, for a while. Anastasia would know. But I I remember hearing something about this, but I won't you know, we won't follow up on that now because I guess no one else knows but me or I'm lying. I don't know. So, OK, so the Bucks haven't been doing well. They have been playing very poorly. They struggled a bit in their first round series and now in the second round against the Miami Heat, who people didn't think were that good. They have been playing better than expected,

and the Bucs are down three games to zero currently against the Heat, which is a big shakeup because a lot of people pick the Bucs to win the whole thing. Yeah. And they might lose in the second round. In like four games, it seems. Yeah, they might get swept. Is there any correlation at all between the respective place of the team and how well they are dealing with COVID-19?

Oh, like is it a location wise? What do people think the contributing factors of like, let's say the Bucks not performing well are? The biggest confusion about it is that his coach, the coach of the Bucks, is not playing Giannis a lot of minutes. So that either means Giannis has an injury that they're not really telling people about and there was reports that he has a sprained ankle so that might be it or the coach is just not doing a very good job because he has what should be the best player in the league right now and he's not playing him as much as he can so that's one question mark and he's still young right yeah he's he's young he's probably like 26 maybe is there a rationale at all like traditionally in coaching where you would want to retain a player like that for the more competitive bouts

later on if you were able to that's more of like you would you would save someone during the regular season and then now in the playoffs you would play them a lot more so that's the confusion like during the regular season their team was doing so well and janice wasn't playing a lot of minutes but they didn't really need him to because they were beating these you know they'd be up by like 10 or 20 points yeah with only a couple minutes left so just sit him yeah but now it's the playoff so it's like he's playing a lot of minutes and they're down zero three it's so it seems like they should be playing their best players at all times so that they don't get eliminated in short order exactly yeah this would be the time to drink some of Michael's special stuff.

Break glass in case of emergency. Okay, so what else is crazy that's happening in the bubble? There is a player named Jamal Murray, who was good, but not, oh my goodness, status. And since the playoffs have started, he has just shot a ridiculous percentage from three-point land he's just he had multiple games where he scored 50 points like back to back there were like four games in a row where he scored above 40 points it was just he has gone

completely basketball bonkers in the playoffs he's leveled up he's got the virus uh but he's got a different kind of virus yeah yeah it's the hot hand virus he's leveled up he's got the virus uh but he's got a different kind of virus yeah yeah it's the hot hand virus he's just been like playing out of his mind which is very good it's the good thing you want to see is people over performing do you think that's been awesome do you think that'll translate into like a post-covid world or do you think there's something about the air in orlando that's like so there was there was an interesting thing when the bubble first started because of the way they have it set up, obviously there's no fans in the arena. So you're playing in an arena where it's mostly dark behind where the basket is.

There's just a backdrop, and then there's no fans. So what some of the people who are more of three-point shooters are saying is that it's easier with depth perception to see the rim more clearly because it's not like a hodgepodge of colors and moving behind the the clear backboard it's just like a plain steady backdrop that's so interesting yeah like if you're in the gym if you're in the gym like playing a pickup game and you're like very good at that and then you go to the nba it's like i'm not used to this depth of field behind the thing but this is like closer to a watching a gym game or something way easier to communicate vocally oh yes because there's not as much noise going on is that

happening though are they piping noise in so yeah they are piping in some noise which is partially to make the players feel more like they're in an arena and also partially so the tv broadcast feels more like you're watching yeah but also it's there because what was happening early on before they started piping in more noise is you could very clearly hear the basketball players saying lots of curse words to each other. Yeah. So the television networks were very concerned with this. And they've had some amazing. Yeah. It's like, what do you think?

But that's really all beans. Oh, you jerk. Get the heck off of me. You're a real meanie. Fiddlesticks, my shot isn't performing as expected. Get that stuff out of my vicinity. Hey, buddy, you're committing a foul against me. That's a bunch of baloney, ref.

I would challenge your belief on that particular ruling. I respectfully disagree, sir. But carry on. Yes. You're in a professional position where I'm not to ask. That's so funny. Yeah, that might be why players are shooting bitter, is because there's no fans. Yeah.

Oh, it's funny. The first time you said there's no fans, I was like, ceiling fans? There's no wind, like, sort of fucking up the trajectory of the basketball. And I was like, well, that makes sense, yeah. I think it would be really fun to, you know, like if you play like GoldenEye or something and you can put in like big head mode or slappers only or like modify the game and you do one where

nobody's allowed to drink water and there's no air conditioning and you see how the team performs. Insurance game. Yeah, it's like who gets a heat stroke first jesus christ i don't want to bore people with basketball talk but i'm genuinely can i ask partially for my own benefit but also because shoops is going to have the insight is there a particular way you recommend that people with like a soft interest in the sport but didn't grow up with any kind of reference point or just say theoretically got deported and that's it's harder to keep up with things what would you say the most effective way of getting into it is because it always just felt like a literacy thing for me i would love to get it right follow the narrative

yeah i think twitter can really help there are some great twitter follows where people the first time that's ever happened twitter can really help is like a unique sentence that's yeah never once been said before this moment. NBA Twitter itself, you can follow lots of different people depending on what you're going for. So there are accounts that like just tweet funny stuff. There are accounts that just tweet highlights. There are accounts where they are just the reporters. So they will have insightful articles or you can have people that are just like talking about the big news.

So you can kind of tailor your feed to get whatever you're looking for. Thankfully, the NBA YouTube account does a very solid job of putting up like condensed versions of the game. So they'll have like a highlight of the whole game and they're always 10 minutes long. So you can basically watch a game. This is a shorter version of it or get caught up. Yeah, it's just the NBA official account on YouTube. I may have to do that. They also have like full length recordings of old games too so that's how i got into melee

like the smash melee esports scene came from compilations that like teach you oh yeah i thought you were gonna say you got it from the nba posted like smash compilation yeah they mixed it up and then i mean to be very selfish our podcast horse is literally about what you're describing like we're trying to make a podcast that is accessible to people who have never heard of basketball, but like want to follow it and understand it. So we only talk about the silly things or the entertaining things. We'll talk about the news very briefly and then talk about stories from history. But yeah, the whole podcast exists for what you're asking. It's exactly my kind of like, I love trivia about things and basketball is something that like i've kind of been a casual fan of my entire life just like growing up in a sports town jobs's hometown is

just a basketball court it is just a basketball i love the storylines in in esports and regular sports and anything really so i like love to see that stuff pay off and catching up on the lore of everything is that's that's really the shit yeah i mean basically every horse episode is like a third news a third story from back in the day and and then a third us just talking about subjective things that we like or dislike about the sport so it kind of covers all your bases of comprehension of basketball for sure for sure that concludes basketball boys the segment about basketball that's in every episode but until now we've never had anything to say just

always edited it out yeah no it's always actually just like 25 minutes of silence and uh yeah retention goes to shit and i can't tell why it's a lot of us just going like well i bet i mean there must have been a game right i had to i mean it'd be crazy if there was they must have played at some point it's just reading the wikipedia page about basketball yeah trying to understand jordan you had some stuff so here's the thing a lot of people know this about me uh i'm incredibly cultured we all know that yeah i enjoy the mustache it's true i still can't figure that out it's a one-to-one. People with a mustache and being cultured. Or a massive pervert.

It's always one of the two. I like to multitask, so I've managed to cover all my goals. I personally am always seeking the next great American novel. And thankfully, I'm... Did I mention that I was incredibly cultured? We all know this. You can say it as much as you want, though. The journey's over.

Oh. Because I have, in fact, found it. And what I want to do is read through a portion of it, and then I'm going to send it to the two of you in the chat. And I'm thinking I read a portion, then Shubes read a portion, and when it feels organic, you can hand off to Jarvis, Shubes. Okay. Because I know you've been learning to read, and you're doing great.

So far, so good. I just don't want to rush you. I've just read my first set of children's books in the past three years. So yeah. You learned from the children you were looking after the last couple of weeks. Yeah, One Fish, Two Fish.

Really good. Potterless is a podcast about a person who's never read a book. Not a single book. You're right a is for apple good point fine sir f is for friends who do stuff together this is a just a little piece of work published january 30th of this year so contemporary novel uh modern piece of work though the work itself could maybe be a period piece i mean it's modern piece of work what is this my autobiography come on leave okay go okay it is a uh k plus and the i won't read the title quite yet because that might give out a little bit about it but okay the it is by somebody that goes by the tableman okay and it is a fiction k plus english tragedy slash

spiritual words 913 favorites one published january 13th of this year and of course the id is 13489450 the the one favorite was obama it was one of his of this year oh it was on his best books of the year list yeah yeah it was actually above Michelle's book, which got her crazy for her. But I think you'll see why. Oh, wait, Jarvis, can you put like a fireplace sound effect in the background? Is that possible? Maybe even some light piano? You bet your sweet ass I can.

Thank you for commenting on my sweet ass. You bet your sweet ass I am commenting on your sweet ass. Okay. So again, and this is the portion of the show that no jokes because this is i just want to try and class up the show a little bit no music all right the music has been paused you've just got fireplace thank you the dreamiest man in purple was looking his spiffiest that day dressed to perfection in the slickest sweater vest anyone had ever seen. He had only just picked it up on the clearance rack, unbeknownst to the casuals,

but dang did he look good. Waluigi entered the local burger shop, wowed everyone in the establishment with his razzle-dazzle, and easily plopped down to study his menu. A shy waitress approached the gorgeous figure's table. Can I help you, sir? She stammered, amazed by his formidable jawline. Yeah!

The violent mage of heart stealing. Give me your finest... He sounds like a flapper. Give me your finest burger. It's me, Waluigi. Give me a glass of your finest water. Sounds like Trombo. Give me your finest burger with some delish fries and a diet Pepsi.

The waitress fainted as the illustrious sound waves bounced off her. The other workers rushed over to revive her and then quickly scampered back to the kitchen to retrieve their God's holy feast. Five minutes later, Waluigi was ready to take a bite of his blessed sandwich he sank his it might be a bit rare my friend he sank his pristine pearly whites into the bun slowly incising into the leafy greens dill pickles and steamy meats most likely one would relish in the glorious components that a pine however oh boy wait a minute, I'm going to favorite this.

And do bear in mind the tag for this was tragedy slash spiritual. Oh shit. Oh no, I'm afraid of the ending now. Most likely one would relish in the glorious components. However, the warlord of love was far from impressed. The owner of the restaurant quaked in his boots as he saw the dissatisfied expression the customers displayed. The consumer displayed. Apologies.

I'm sorry for fucking up this important work. The next great American novel. Capitalism. I'm just relishing in this story and listening to the fireplace. Like a warlord of love. Yeah. He prepared to fire everyone in the vicinity, including the other customers.

It's not bad, sighed W waluigi twirling his gelled nasal hair as he took the in the burger's aura like a critic of fine art is that a mustache surely because it's not interior you can't gel that oh i think i'm imagining he's gelled oh my god that's but i think you are correct it's probably mustache because how else would you get it to be like that but my first thought are correct it's probably mustache because how else would you get it to be like that but my first thought was well my first thought was because otherwise this would be unrealistic i'm sorry my first thought was wow wow hey see it's not bad said waluigi twirling his gel nasal hair that's the worst thing i've ever read as he took in the burger's aura like

a critic of fine art it's just messing a smeech of something. A smeech? You get me, boys? Now, Shoops, would you like to read a portion starting at own of the chef's nodded? Yes. Can we recap what we've heard so far? The horrible war crime that we've read? Sure. Waluigi is at a restaurant.

He's wearing purple. He has gel nasal hair. And so far... Hell of a jawline. Hell of a jawline. A jawline so powerful that it caused the waitress to faint. And so far, it's really just about his order is that yes okay which he's mostly dissatisfied with and the owner him the owner himself is pretty upset about that and is willing to fire everyone including the customers okay great i do like that you've had me start on a typo where it says owner

of the chefs instead of one of the chefs look language is fluid it evolves over time language is evolving at a rapid rate based on this oh i'm sorry um excuse me mr immortal bard but uh these are these words aren't real get your head out your ass tubes okay i'm gonna i'm gonna hold my pop filter up here just so i can really get up close in the mic but not ruin the audio please i want to make it as intimate as possible. I do. Own of the chefs nodded and hurriedly slammed a bottle of ketchup onto Waluigi's table.

Waluigi gave him a wink of agreement and popped the cap off the crimson container. I'm going to pop a cap in this crimson. Sorry. The owner breathed a sigh of relief and promoted the chef to Ultra chef omega i assume there's some sort of magical girl sequence where he upgrades when you get doc magic yeah waluigi poured an ample amount of the tomato condiment onto his open bun he slowly oh yeah on top of

his bare ass he slowly pressed the slices back together in a slow orderly fashion he smiled in contentment and brought the meal ever so close to his kissable lips and then tragedy struck here here we get the tragedy slash spiritual oh no a minute splash followed a thick chew that echoed across all four walls of the establishment. All of a sudden, Waluigi's worst fears had been realized. His burger had leaked, and a ketchup droplet had escaped the stacked collection. To seal the deal, the droplet destination could not have been any more conveniently horrific my grand sweater vest cried waluigi staring in heart wrenching shame at the like lycopene is i'm sorry i'm this is one of those words that i know exists

but i don't know what it means it's another term for werewolf is it i believe it is in the uh potter expanded universe because i was gonna say it's got the lichen so that would be like yeah like called therapy that's what ketchup's made out of at the lycopene stain splattered on his once hallowed robe he is ruined a shy guy customer whispered to his wiggler partner his good hood has been stripped a goomba mused aloud godhood a pit Oh, his godhood. He's no longer a god. His own godhood. I do like his goodhood, though. Like, I don't know about my goodhood. A pity a thwomp breathed heavily. The restaurant owner furrowed his brow and grit his teeth. This man, in an absolutely shell of his form...

This man, I guess, is in. This man, in an absolutely shell of his former glory, rid my domain of this filthy scourge. And now, Popcorn Jarvis. Aye, aye, captain, said two muscle-bound toads with serious biceps. They walked up to Waluigi and seized

him by his scrawny purple arms. Moments later, Waluigi was face-flat on the street, weeping into the asphalt, tears seeping down the smooth pavement into the sewer grates. As he struggled to rise, he was constantly beat down by the passers-by who shrieked in horror at the

sight of his emanation? I don't know what that, is that a word? Yeah. I do. Let me Google something unrelated for a second. Emanationism is the idea of cosmology and cosmology of a certain religious or philosophical systems. I almost forgot.

Okay. Mothers shielded their children's curious gazes. Husbands held their dear spouses close in fear of impurities. Even the trees began to wither at the encroachment of their innocence. Several hours passed of pain and suffering while luigi finally caught a break from the riots and was able to those are unrelated and was able to return to his feet to a shock and lying down the pavement on the asphalt since the riot crying. He's crying into the sewer grate.

To his shock and dismay, the entire town had been abandoned. Streets were empty. There were just riots. That was very well orchestrated. Streets were empty. Doors were locked. Windows boarded. And skies hazy with misfortune.

I like that the weather's on board, too. I know. Nature is fully bought in. Nature is the opposite of healing. Waluigi wept into his sleeve and ran away as fast as he could. But to where? I am curious.

He finally reached his home after much ado. So that was much ado about something, I presume. He hoped dearly to receive a warm welcome from his brother. Instead, he was met with a warm welcome from his brother. Instead, he was met with a hard fist to the nose. Why? Why?

Wario looked down at the mucus coating his white glove. You are not my brother. You are a tainted thief. Your evils are sickening. Be gone, demon. He took another swing, but Waluigi dodged and ran away into the forest. Great endurance on Waluigi.

I'm picturing as he runs through the forest, left and right, the trees wilt as he's next to them. Like a trail of destruction. Yeah, I believe the term is withered at the encroachment of their innocence. That's right, yes. Their own innocence. Yeah yeah what am i done waluigi wept as the trees around him slowly collapsed into defamed corpses we called it ah i was careless with my lycopene consumption and this is the horror i wrote

dirty barnacles dirty paillettes the crow's cod overheard before dropping to the ground as a reflection of darkness overload that sentence feels like i it might be overhead it was the crow's cod overhead oh overhead okay let's see it's sometimes hard to tell because this is showing you a bold new version of english the crow's cod overhead before dropping to the ground as a reflection of darkness overload that still doesn't make any sense to me but yeah you sound like such an idiot the first time waluigi cursed his sweater vest and his hamburger damn it he gripped both sides and tore the abomination off of his being he uh sorry oh the the sweater vest not

the hamburger sorry i feel like as soon as he was punished for the status of his i assumed he'd just taken it off after being almost killed for wearing it but the other thing is that like in english right like we're using we're not using like a direct object pronoun here so i'm like what is we're not being specific whether or not we're referring to the sweater vest or the hamburger. So he gripped both sides of what and tore the abomination. What is the abomination of this being?

Wait, wait, wait, wait. He says the burger? The way you're saying it reminds me of sixth grade English class, specifically the way you like corrected it. I remember I had an English teacher who used to write like, if you didn't do the things

referring to the previous thing, they would put like in red pen, like he gripped both sides and then like arrow of what? Specifically to make sure you said like of the vest. Yeah. Wait, was your teacher Waluigi? Yes. Yes.

Yes. Of what? Of what? Yeah. Cause hamburger is the last thing referenced. So I'm only to assume that hamburger is what we're referring to. I was not under the impression that he still had the hamburger i thought he left it well he carried it with him well apparently i thought it was stuck to his body because he gripped both

sides and tore the abomination off his being maybe that's just to make it easier to eat yeah he wailed into the foggy dusk skies as he strained to regain his righteousness. Seconds passed like hours, minutes like eons. Finally, after much strife, the dark deed had been done. Waluigi discarded the two halves of his soiled tunic into the murky pond, fatefully slaying the frogs and microbes who never even

had a chance. You know, pour some out for the microbes, dog. Shout out to the microbes. They got absolutely bodied those microbes didn't know what was coming to them dude ivy slain microbes left and right he prayed that he would be forgiven by mother nature and trudged back to his house with his mind wholly set on atonement i feel like not much has happened but uh waluigi has been seeking atonement for the entirety of this fucking story.

Yeah. And also his atonement turned out to be taking off the clothes everyone hated. Yeah. It's like, damn, man. Pretty simple. Or the burger. Because everyone knows a burger can also be referred to as a soiled tunic. Wario opened the door.

So Wario didn't skip town. Everyone else? No. Well, actually, I believe Wario is the door so wario didn't skip town everyone else like no what well actually i believe wario is the only resident of the town now everybody else has left yeah okay that makes sense by the way mike i if you're okay with it i'd like you to read the last two lines sure yeah wario opened the door slowly saw his unvested brother and and jumped to embrace him. You're beautiful again, brother. He sobbed. Tears. Wait a minute. Is that Hulk?

Yeah, Hulk Hogan came out. You're beautiful again, brother. Brother. He sobbed, tears splashing against Waluigi's solid complexion. So at least he's got a healthy skin tone. Skin looks great. Yeah.

Yes, brother. I am whole, he replied, returning his hug. Also, I'm healthy skin tone. Skin looks great. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, brother. I am whole, he replied, returning his hug. Also, I'm the narrator now. It's me. Oh, wow. The two went aside, binged house reruns, and played Parcheesi. That's the next eSport, Parcheesi. Okay.

That was the day Waluigi learned of transgression. That was the day we all learned learnt of transgression. That was the day we all learnt of the chains. Finn! Finn, shout out to Wario the Tableman for the story Waluigi's Lycopene Incident. I do like that you just called him the Tableman

before and now we have learned that his full name was Wario the Tableman. Maybe we'll make this a series. We'll read it another time. We have a Christmas themed one and a Waluigi x Luigi fanfic. Ooh, good, good, good. I just like that the end is

that was the day that we learnt of the chains. Of what? Of shame. Of transgression. I wrote that for you. I mean, I found that for you, Shoops. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I don't write it. It speaks to me.

I do always pick Waluigi in any Mario game that I can play possible. Like, I always pick him. Well, this is somewhat of a follow-up to a previous segment we did where we read facts about Waluigi, one of which is that the voice actor based his voice on the emotion of shame. Oh, that's true. Yeah, we're very, very clear about that. where does waluigi's poem fit into this oh yeah there's a poem about waluigi i don't know i think there's multiple didn't he write a poem isn't that the in one of the episodes we read a

article like a screen rant article or something about waluigi facts waluigi's lycopene facts yeah my favorite thing about writing is that this this story took very basic concepts and stretched them out nothing really happened in that story but we did hear a lot of description it felt like i was reading war and peace again crime and punishment just kidding crime and punishment which i did have to read in high school and i remember it was the same thing of like everything would be so described that a 50 page chapter involved Raskolnikov going down the stairs. And it was 50 pages.

It's an interesting reference point. It reminded me the most of Sun Tzu's The Art of War. Yeah. And for me, it reminded me of Curious George goes to the store. All he does is go to the store. Why is it 20 pages? Why is it 20 pages long i you can

just show me the picture of him at the store and i get the gist i mean mike this is new for you right because you just read this yeah i mean this is this so this is the only non-harry potter thing i've ever read so this is a great introduction to you know literature beyond uh the seven children series how's that going oh yeah we do still have the uh fireplace going i suppose i should pause welcome to fire boys fire boys we're on fire then the fire nation attack that's not bad at all is is that the pod did we just do a pod we may have just done a pod we didn't get too deep into the uh emotions and things are there anything is there any emotionally vulnerable topics you want to dive into mike oh man um i will say the one that has been i guess i guess

somewhat emotional we touch on it a little bit but i have wanted to i need to get my like work work life balance back in a little bit where i'm working i'm working a little too much and i feel bad that i'm not like doing enough things that aren't work and it's just because like more things have gone on my plate as i'm like doing more podcasty things right so i need to do a better job of figuring out like where i can delegate and then finding the intersection of like you know when is it worth and in my better interest of paying someone to edit a podcast episode that i would normally edit right the time i'll save kind of thing yeah i want to get that more in check and also part of that is just like being more productive while i'm working right so that i spend less time working so

trying to like get rid of distractions like the internet is is a component of that the fact that you no longer can go to the studio you're recording at home working at home makes me like obviously don't have to spend the time commuting but i do find it easier to focus at the studio just because i'm not like in my apartment and then like i think it's easier in studio when I'm in the studio to like, feel like I'm at work. So I'm more work stuff kind of thing. Yeah. Um, so it's, it's kind of like it, one is better in that I don't have to commute and one is worse kind of thing. When you have the realization that you're working too much, what are the triggers for like that realization? Like, is it something that you want to have time for that you don't? When do you think to yourself, oh, this is too much

potentially? I mean, I think the biggest thing, especially since I've been quarantined up with my wife is like when my wife is done with work and wants to do stuff and I'm like, oh, I saw I got to edit the podcast kind of thing. Like that's the easiest thing of like, oh, I should, you know, like, yes, my job helps in that it's like more flexible than a normal nine to five. But right. It's unfortunately getting to the point where like it's it's too much where I need to like balance it out a bit more. Definitely. I definitely relate to that. It's I think for anybody who has the ability to delegate a space in whatever space you have access to, to be a workspace and not a relaxing space, I would recommend that. I learned this lesson in college that it's a really bad feeling to sleep and work in the same place because

it associates those things in your brain and it becomes harder to relax in your relaxing spaces because it's the same place that reminds you of the shit that you need to do. It also creates a dynamic between sleep becomes not a privilege, but like fuel. It's like you turn food into a necessity instead of a joy. I mean, my bed is less than four feet away.

It's like literally right there. I live in one room currently. And don't get me wrong, I'm very privileged to be able to work. We are all very privileged to be able to work at home, not just in a normal nine to five capacity, which which I'm sure we've all done at some point from home. But quite literally, we could delegate pieces of our work because we determine the workflow and we're able to move pieces around and our impact is very obvious. If we do things well, that can be

a little vaguer if you're working for an organization and nobody's actually telling you what to do but expecting you to have done things at some point shout outs to people that are in that kind of position life is unexplored it's a little like how some people have a lack of vocational satisfaction like i've got my job but i ultimately don't love it and it doesn't direct me it's it doesn't direct me. It can be the same with life. Like truly with, I have a lot more time than I used to now

and I genuinely don't know what I want to do. Even with the sad boys in the stream and the whatever else, I have 20 more hours in my week than I used to and I don't appear to have any hobbies. Yeah. So I've been reading Waluigi Fadfig. I would say to the point that you were

making jordan about like work-life balance yeah i think it depends on how you view work but if you view work is like not a positive thing then work-life balance does feel like the bad stuff versus the good stuff yeah that's what makes it hard is that like my my job is fun i love my job and i'm very like fortunate to have it it's just more of like, I do feel bad that it's more of like how it affects other people. Namely that like, I am not as free to just like chill with Kelly and just hang out as much as if I had a job

where at like five o'clock, I could just be like, woo, I'm done. So it's trying to like, I enjoy the fact that my job is fun and flexible and I like it, but I need to also make sure it's not just like seeping out into everything because it's like well i have a cool job so yeah yeah no

which can be really really hard to communicate to people mechanically like even if somebody doesn't work in the same industry as you or the same career but you're working a nine-to-five you're going to an office you're following a certain pattern then they can at least go oh yeah i mean i'm sure you had a crazy day hey i don't know how the movie industry works but you know you're on set and now it's all wrapped up and what a crazy experience that must have been as opposed to i put audio out you may not know a single piece of how that works so you might think that should take four hours or that should take 50 hours and sometimes mike is available and sometimes he isn't and i can have no expectations because well neither can he more often than not i I would imagine.

Yeah. I like people ask me, how long is it taking in an episode? It's like it's different every time. Some episodes are easier. Sometimes the recording is smoother. Sometimes my mouth makes 700 click noises that I have to keep editing out of the episode. Like, yeah, you never know. First, I would say that like being able to think about like having the choice to make sort of these sorts of changes in your life is a privilege not to take anything away from what you're saying, Mike. I just want

to sort of say for our, for our listeners that we do acknowledge that, that that's a, like a privilege to have the flexibility in career. And I know like when I was growing up, my, you know, my mom who's taking care of me or like the taking care of me didn't really have a lot of options in terms of free time and stuff like that because it was very making ends meet type situation. One, it's a balance with like what your needs are, what you want specifically. And then also the other people in your life or the people that you share space and time with and how your work affects them. There's a separate concern, which is like something that I fall into a lot where I ask myself, am I still productive? Because working a long time doesn't actually mean doing good work. And it's often like a trap that we can tell ourselves is like, well, this needs to get done. So I'm going to work here until I finish it. Even if it's working at a 20% capacity for five hours, rather than ending the day early, going and spending time with people where they're

going to value that a lot. And then you actually are able to work at normal efficiency for one hour the next day to fix it. It's sometimes hard, or at least I find it hard for myself, but I think it's just a difficult human thing to assess when you're in one situation versus the other. I don't think it's fundamentally healthy to be... If you're completely engulfed in your work and your life is your work, that's all well and good. But something strikes me, something doesn't hit me right about just not having balance in

general, balance of a number of things. Because it seems, at least I know for myself if I have all my eggs in one basket it makes me disillusioned with the world when I first started at Patreon I was so hungry to like make a good impression that I was spending so many hours working and especially at startups you it's almost the expectation that you're working outside of the nine to five oh yeah and it's don't get me wrong there's like some tact in the way that's communicated nobody would ever say it explicitly but it's very much a pressure especially yeah it kind of is just you've got peers doing it no matter what yeah at the very least at the very least you have peers doing it and so there's a little bit of a social it's like social pressure

that's not explicit but it's like well these are my. And so I want to be a part of like, I want to belong here. And like worst, worst case scenario, I'm just underperforming because everybody else has 10 more hours in the week. Yeah. Best case scenario, you're able to, you're secure enough in your career and stuff to be able to put forth those explicit boundaries. But oftentimes, like you don't have that much power. you don't have that position to be able to say actually this is a no a no-go for me i'm gonna yeah not step over this line you also don't know because i mean the only the only way anybody ever gets good at managing or setting their own expectations or limiting their imposter syndrome is through just hours and hours of grind it's it's it's mastery hours right after

10 000 you can sit there and go like okay well no i know i shouldn't actually be working these hours and i know this is actually unreasonable i should be proud of this like when i started patreon i was like really hungry to prove myself and what i observed about myself during that time and i have a very you know i don't have an addictive personality to substances. But when it comes to like, a one track mind, I can get very like, sort of locked in with a goal. And, and then while I'm trying to achieve that goal, everything else like goes to the wayside. And it's why when my shit's out of balance, my room gets messy, my dishes are piling up, because I'm just like focused on focused on working. And what I realized from this like work experience is that if something would go wrong at work, it would ruin my whole fucking day.

And it's like, should it should should that have that, like, because if my eggs are sort of distributed in my, my friends, and, you know, things that exist out out of the context of work. And also I am personally distancing my value as a person from like my sort of work output. I think it makes me far more well-rounded, far more able to shake things off when they don't go and ultimately better at my work itself, which is like kind of the non-intuitive angle of things. So those are just my like thoughts there. Yeah, I think what can help with whatever your work situation is and what will

probably honestly help me the most with all of this is trying to make the most of like when you're working, being as efficient as you can so that you're not like, like you were talking about earlier, Jarvis, like you're not spending 12 hours on something working at 50% because you keep checking Twitter, your phone or whatever, but instead spending six hours on it working 100% and then you have six more hours to just like chill. And I ran into that when I was an engineer, when I did that job and I didn't like it at all, but I just did it for the money. I would just like when it was five o'clock, I would just fucking leave. Yeah, I didn't care what my peers thought of me. I didn't care what like my performance reviews was, but I knew in order, like Jordan jordan you said like to feel secure in that

you have to make sure you put enough work to be like look you guys aren't paying me overtime and like here's everything i did from nine to five today so like if you do want me to work these extra hours so you know yeah make me do it so i think what can help with everything and what i certainly need to do is like when it's easier to just like get focus on a thing get it done than it is to kind of spread out and you know not be as focused because the the payoff of the out of the time you save by you know putting putting your shit together and like actually finishing the thing ends up in oh i can watch a movie with kelly and not have to be like i gotta make sure i edit the podcast kind of yeah a big thing is being able to close the loop. What I was going to say is like,

you have like an open parentheses or something. And then you like want to like close that before you change tasks, because leaving those things open kind of means that it like robs you of being in the moment. And this is something I'm so, so, so guilty of, where if I don't properly tie a bow around what I'm doing in my brain or let my brain move on to the next thing, I may physically be in a different place, but my brain is still cooking on whatever work I was doing. I'm not able to be present. And that takes away from the time I'm spending with other people. And also the relaxation I'm robbing myself of because relaxation time watching TV on Netflix is

instead spinning, like me spinning my wheels in my head about when I get back to work. And it's something I struggle with, especially because of ADHD, because it's very easy to latch onto a thing and be very hard to transition. So if anyone struggles with that, what my therapist has told me is if you say in your schedule, I'm going to do this until this time, and then I'm going to move on to this other thing, it can help to have that written down. It can help to write everything that's in your brain before you switch tasks, maybe even what you're going to do next time. So that like those thoughts and ideas that could spiral into obsessively continuing to think about work can be somewhere so that you don't have to worry about if I don't stop thinking about it,

maybe I'll lose this. I'll lose this context. You know what I mean? Try to like codify that so that you can get a clean break from your task and the clean break is essential i think especially with adhd you can reach a point where you're hitting a hyper focus it doesn't happen all the time it often doesn't but if you're extremely passionate about something you've hit your rhythm you feel very excited about the thing that you're doing there can be a point where you're like okay well i said four hours but now we're fucking moving baby 10 hours let's just go Let's get this thing done. There are diminishing returns on those hours

and the hangover you get chemically is just not worth it. It's actually, it's hard to stop when you've got forward momentum and hyperfocus, but the benefit greatly outweighs the, or the consequences greatly outweigh the benefit. If you were to say, wow, I got those four hours in and I was very effective.

Now I'm going to save some juice for tomorrow or the day after or whenever it is you'll actually have that juice whereas relying on yourself to just occasionally get obsessive and that be the time when you're successful you're either just complete in complete mania mode and succeeding because you're operating at like a dangerous speed or you're completely out of juice and not really being anything to the table is not a healthy way to live as somebody that has been uh doing that for quite some time the majority of the news i got this week made me feel like i was survivable the last year has been no it's you've lost everything and you just keep losing things and the chunk of news that i've had in the last week basically made me go oh no, no, I'm safer. And visas are a

path that is still an option. And the person I'm seeing, I might actually get to see ever again in my life, like just like small mechanical pieces that I can get excited about. And the moment that happened, I got back into creative. And I do want to give a shout out to people that have major commitments and time sinks. And there often just is not a solution without fixing that i can sometimes feel like creators present it as though it's just hey it's you know you gotta believe in yourself and it's your energy and no i mean i get i got better at doing things like this i mean we started doing sad boys because we made very good salaries and we lived in a space where we could afford to buy hardware and had time to sit and record a show back in San Francisco. That was a point of privilege. If you work a ton of hours

and you work two gigs, you really might not have the juice to make something. And maybe it's worth adjusting or getting more help with it. But I don't know. I want to fight back against people feeling guilty because they're not able to engage with this stuff as some of their peers might be. For sure. I definitely want to clarify that it's like it is not a the reason it makes me sad is not because it's because i have control over the situation i think it makes me feel sad about it it's like i know that there is a i do have the ability to make this not a problem so when it becomes a problem i feel bad about it because it's my fault right yeah yeah you're also struggling with circumstance though i mean the the not just the change itself but you also brought on you're now doing the three

shows which you know obviously lazy get some more stuff in there but yeah the change in circumstances i have to assume your workflow is so much harder now that is this that studio is a portion of that right but i imagine yeah i don't know if you worked out of the office as well it's i mean just like little things like all this mic setup and stuff like when i go to the studio i don't have to break down the equipment every time and set it up every time and all this other stuff like it's easier just going to the studio just like plug it you know it's already plugged into computers click record yeah so it's a lot easier so yeah there's things like that as well trying to work but you know that's the world we're in now we're going to figure out how to be our most productive work-from-home selves

if you are a work-from-home person. Yeah. I wonder how long it'll take us to get over the inertia. Just the idea of going into a coffee shop and getting to right there is very exciting for me. But at this point, my muscle memory is that is such a risk and unacceptable and a social faux pas. And sitting down with a like i haven't touched my laptop as a laptop in months it's plugged into a desktop

space because i never take it anywhere like why it's not a portable thing i have it stuck on my monitor like the idea of picking it up and having almost a nostalgic feeling of like i remember what it was like to go to phil's with a laptop how oh how quaint you know i was talking to someone yesterday about the subway and like i haven't taken it in i've been taking it since january that's insane this is which is just bonkers and i'm gonna have to like relearn all of the things like oh right at this stop get take off this exit and like oh this transfer comes at this like all of my little street smarts uh that I knew of how to like optimize subway. I'm going to have to relearn all of that. My subway literacy.

I'm in a weird situation where like I moved to a new city shortly before COVID stuff. So I'm very comfortable at home, but I want to venture out more, but I'm not sure. It seems like everyone in Los Angeles is pretending COVID doesn't exist because there's so many people out and about at restaurants and stuff, and it's just weird. And so I'm not sure. I don't know. It just makes me... I want to kind of get back to living a normal life, but I'm not sure how to find the balance. So I do need to leave my apartment more i because i'm not leaving ever and it's bad i shit you not in the town where i'm staying right now it is a 95 no mask rate

like truly none truly none uh the pubs are also open meaning that they're full of old heavily smoking men uh with no masks on in a small small dirty environment it's crazy to me like it's it new york's taking it seriously yeah i mean we got wrecked by it when it first happened so that's yeah why so but it is refreshing to see lots of people wearing masks which was not the case when i was in texas for two months that was oh my god those people i got made fun of for wearing masks uh when we stopped through Alabama. So that was cool. I've heard of this happening. Yeah.

I mean, you're getting made fun of because the basis of why it's even a thing is men being insecure and then forcing that psychology onto the people around them. Literally what it is. It's purely like being at high school and like wanting to wear, you know, some like clothes that you really like. And somebody is being, oh my God, weird. No, dress boring like the rest of us. Don't have passions. What the fuck? You play video games?

Get the hell out of here. Yeah. Like it's the same weird gatekeeping because ultimately the thing that we toxic masculine wise are the most scared of is being made fun of and being the victim of the alpha pack. And so it's just like, no, I'll risk my life and the life of others versus being a little embarrassed or getting made fun of for sure yeah i don't want to look like i'm weak by trying to keep other people alive i'd rather i'd rather die i'd rather die than look weak wait i'd rather be enfeebled and weak and die weak and enfeebled than... Wait, hang on. Anyway, we're all going to die. We end every episode of Sour Boys with a particular phrase.

It's technically true, I guess. I mean, we are ending the show, but it's going to be okay, everybody. We're going to be fine. None of you are going to die because anybody that's a subscriber is going to stay alive we're all going to die but of natural causes hopefully for most of us yes except for you you know you know who you are craig oh craig uh thanks so much mike for joining us check out your pods if you want to plug those real quick yeah uh potterless is me reading the harry potter books for the first time as an adult never read them as in a kid never read them as a kid very silly and goofy uh just

search potterless horse is the basketball one we talked about where it's basketball but we make it so everyone can understand and it's the opposite of gatekeeping we've kicked the gate open so everyone can get it nice and then meddling adults is a game show for charity where two contestants go head to head and they try to solve children's mysteries from Encyclopedia Brown, Scooby-Doo, et cetera. And then the winner earns money for charity. Jordan was on a recording that will be coming out in a couple of weeks. Jarvis, the invitation is open.

We just had scheduling. We had some telephone Twitter talk. Let's do it. Figure it out and get you on in the future. It's my favorite premise of any show. It's a great premise. Genuinely, so I love it. I'm very biased, but i think it's very good

and it's fun and you can search for that one meddling adults all that stuff just search them wherever you get your podcasts or you can go to my website which is which is shubes but it's s c h u b dot e s uh official spanish website so i had to pretend spain please do not let the government know that. Well, take it away from me. I did have to put in my driver's license information when I registered the domain. It was very fun.

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