Sad Boyz - Someone Broke Into Jarvis's House

Episode Date: September 16, 2022

This week Jarvis talks about a scary encounter he has inside his home, and the guys discuss manosphere content. Listen To Us! Spotify ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/spotify Apple Podcasts ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/itunes Follow Us https://instagram.com/sadboyz https://twitter.com/sadboyz Follow Jordan https://twitter.com/jordanadika https://instagram.com/jordanadika Follow Jarvis https://twitter.com/jarvis https://instagram.com/jarvis Outro music @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank

Three, two, it's like the MTV premiere music video. Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm sick. Yo. I don't feel very well. Oh no. And I'm tired.

Oh dude, I don't like it but i got we i like our contrast lighting yeah i am in the void yeah i am yeah i am uh in heaven actually i moved yeah somebody's hanging out in the void again i see i am so i moved recently and that's you know something i'm going to tell you about during which i died and went to purgatory yeah unfortunately there was a horrible accident um and yo how was the hole the u-haul because you did not hold right made the wise investment to get whole help i i did i did okay so I am, I just put my computer and stuff together this morning. Please excuse the echo if you can hear any. This is the room that will be the studio. This is, this is.

Maybe. I think so. But that's the thing. There's like more rooms than in my last place, but all the rooms are smaller. So not everything fits like it used to. Like I can't just put all the office stuff from my old place in the office in this place. And so I'm kind of having to split things between different rooms and I need to figure out pros and cons of, of different rooms. This was my natural instinct of where to film because it has so much light coming in it's the brightest room in the house um because there's like two windows on either side of me but and it's also small so theoretically it should be easier to soundproof and light as well for when i'm not shooting um in the morning so you know, we shall see. But currently I am drowning in boxes. The

move went well, as well as it could have gone because I had a bunch of work leading up to even the day of the move. And so I paid for the movers to also pack my stuff. So that like was great, but also took a lot of time. So I think end to end, it took like 12 hours, I think, the whole move, which wasn't, you know, terrible. But I'm still pretty tired from just unboxing things and moving boxes around. Because even though I had the movers, I'm still doing, I'm still, now I'm like on my own and don't know where anything is. Yeah. You'll, what, six moves in two years or something? Yeah.

I'm on board. It is the final stage where all of the quote work moving work is done ostensibly it's done but now it's just like okay well my things are all here and you don't have to go to another building yeah they're not really in this building yeah that's right they're all in their own tiny little box buildings and like there's just so much furniture that i don't know where it goes slash if it makes sense anywhere because yeah um like i have a tv stand that used to make sense in my living room but now it's kind of doesn't exactly fit in this living room so i'm trying to figure out what to do with it, et cetera.

So, yeah, but I'm trying to take one thing at a time. I check. How's the spot? Oh, it's great. It's great. The spot's great. Boy, is he enjoying the garden? Dippers loving it.

There's like a nice big yard, which was the main reason I wanted to move here. And yeah, big, big yard which was the main reason i wanted to move here um and yeah big big yard there's also like a little fenced off area that i can just put dipper in if he like i if i don't want to put him in the big yard because um theoretically he could escape if i wasn't like watching him but there's like a backyard area um and he's got a key he's got a key yeah so he's actually knows the padlock he's he's very he's very effective at using it that's a smart and dangerous dog yeah so um so yeah that all is great so i'm very encouraged by the new place. It's definitely a place I can make a home. I just need to, like I've just been faced with how many things I own because I was just, everything was kind of in its own nook and cranny in my old place and now it's all been

taken out. And so I'm going to try to use this opportunity to like get rid of stuff I don't need and put things in storage and stuff like that. But it's going to be a process. So one day at a time, one room at a time. Our friend Rochelle is coming over later. She's going to help me unpack and just chat and hang out. But for now, I'm like...

Keep you grounded. Yeah, exactly. I'm kind of... Take kind of out of the clouds today i'm like crashing a little bit because i got up um not early but i got up around 8 a.m and i've been like setting up the office and playing with dipper and doing stuff and now i think my my coffee crash is happening. So a little bit lower energy today. Hey, what'd you get? What you sipping on? Silken Splendor.

You realize it's been almost a month since I had a Phil's coffee. You realize that? Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. You understand that? Is that happening to me? I got you one it's getting it's getting cold you gotta get it done there's somewhere it's got nothing to do with you i don't want a special disease it makes me talk like this it's almost um tucker carlson cadence yeah Yeah. What's going on? What is going on?

What is going on? California. And I want to get the Philz coffee because I know. I'm not allowed to have a Philz on the East Coast. You can only have a Philz if you live on the West Coast. What is going on? What is going on? I'm wearing my dad's suit.

It doesn't fit me me and that's fine and that's what that because i'm a growing boy mar-a-lago stuff where he's just doing he's just saying the things again it's like oh and i see and it's files about nuclear information yeah he says stuff that is like he repeats the truth but he says it in a funny voice as to discredit it like a child or something it's like magic post post-ironic political praxis it's just yeah life hack hey give me back my car and family oh i've kidnapped your so-called family okay cringe yeah okay and i guess you're probably gonna press charges because i would like stole your family and your home but i can't because you have said that that's what the liberals want us to think they want to control all of our property including the property that i stole from you wearing my daddy's suit with his big socks i like to i always

what is going on i'm a growing boy you know he's wearing like a silly little bow tie just like all those guys like shapiro after him like all those guys their first thing is always being precocious kid that's always their first like generation right they're like a little poindexter know-it-all that's they're like yeah they're like appealing to a fox boomer crowd and they're like oh look at this young conservative man and he he uses common sense he's not like these uh wacky libs not these damn hippies. This young, 35-year-old young man, Ben Shapiro, is ahead of his class. And then they age out of being able to get away with that, and they have to pivot to just being the same. Ben Shapiro has hall monitor energy. But at one point, Tucker had his little bow tie.

Do you remember his little bow tie? Yeah, no, I do remember it. Adorable. And that image is always in my head. So if I ever see Tucker on screen, I always assume he's wearing like shorts. I never think he's wearing full slacks. Right, right. I think he got bullied out of using his bow tie by someone.

Yeah, Jon Stewart. Jon Stewart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was going to say tucker carlson gives class president energy and ben shapiro gives hall monitor energy yeah exactly you know what i mean yeah he's got a he's got righteous fury yeah he's like the the worm tongue behind the throne. Yeah, behind the curtain. Yeah, he's the producer behind the curtain.

Mr. Carlson. Yeah. You forgot about X minority group. Remember the caravan? Remember the caravan of immigrants that was going to destroy America? You've forgotten about the caravan. There's still... Yeah, there's always a crisis. Remember, Hillary's email.

I'm going to climb back inside of my briefcase. Where I sleep. Oh, is that Ben Shapiro? Yeah. Yeah. I'm sleeping from a big day of work. Yeah, he is. He is sleeping from a big day of work. I'm sleeping tired from a big day of work yeah he is he's sleeping from a big day of work i'm sleeping

tired from a big day of work please fold me into my briefcase i i don't have i've got homework for fun um again i don't know slowly gradually so what yeah i mean it's just i'm overwhelmed with like to-do items every time i like walk out into the room so it's like i'm overwhelmed with to-do items every time I walk out into the room. So it's like I'm not able to relax quite yet just because there's just so much stuff that I know I need to start working on. So I don't think I – I'm more collapsing out of exhaustion than relaxing currently. But it's going to get there. but um it's gonna get there it's definitely it's definitely gonna get there i had um some crazy well how are you feeling for you said you're sick yeah i think i'm i think i'm just sick just like regular bad and i think i might just be regular

old no no yeah it's hard you know it's hard to track because i know i'm depressed so i feel myself being heavy and slow and i'm like well right i'm not showering so maybe maybe maybe but then just separately from that i'm just very shaky and yeah a bit off and you know when you just have like um maybe i'm just a delicate soul get really sore palms am i crazy i'm starting to get sick because you know you just your skin just kind of becomes like tender to the touch and like i have yeah yeah yeah i have my versions of that like not exactly that but i know what you mean my feelings like i get um swollen like because i have my stuff with my like autoimmune stuff and so even the thing that reminds like i there's almost a like very physical manifestation of the state of my immune system

which is like my body like starts swelling up because if i like don't sleep now, uh, like if I, like when I was up for the, the move, my fingers started to swell and my ankle started to swell. And, um, I was like, I need to sleep and like take my allergy medicine or else I will like at, when I was in Spain for Nick's wedding, one of the days, um, because I had like 20 hours of flights or something because of like layovers and by the time I bought the flights, they were super expensive, etc. I missed the rehearsal dinner for the wedding because I was like so swollen that I like couldn't walk. And that like hasn't happened since I was a kid, like with my like hives and stuff. For context, for the audience, I have this thing called chronic urticaria, which is like chronic hives. And I had them when I was a kid, but they went away when I was like 18 or something. And then they came back when I was like 25, 26.

Glorious seven years. Yeah. And so years of freedom and power yeah and so i've been told that they're going to go away they they they're they basically go away and come back or maybe not so at some point they are going to go away like like either either i'm like destined to have periods of a few years of them going away and then always coming back, or they'll go away and never come back at some point. But I think I have a few more years of toughing it out before they go away for a few years. So that's, you know, fingers crossed. They don't know what causes it, so that's awesome.

But then, we should celebrate. Once you've realized that they've gone away it's time for some kind of big old we celebrate the birthdays that we haven't been around each other for over the last years we celebrate um i don't know as many election cycles as we were in the mood for you know not that there's much to celebrate but something to work with yeah we celebrate the forgiveness of student loan debt that doesn't affect either of us. And I don't know what else is positive. Better cool soul.

Good finale. Can I say that about the student? Yes, I agree. We should celebrate all these things, including my hypes going away eventually. Knock on wood. The student loan debt thing is so fascinating to me that people are like upset because like i had to pay off my student loans and i would why would i wish that on anyone else you know what i must be pissed yeah dude i'm so pissed i had to live a life with polio and we're just gonna make a vaccine yeah exactly everybody else has to have it everybody else that's so weird i got covid before the before

the jab and i had to tough it out like an adult muscled my way through it yeah through my not having a pre-existing condition ass yeah no that um it's just like yeah i mean it's a very it's not so much a reaction that's like surprising it's an instinct that's not especially surprising it's people's willingness and this i mean this is just like the mysticism of being extremely online or whatever when your brain starts to break and you aren't properly socialized day to day the idea that you would share that sensation you would you would have the thought oh ick i have an icky feeling when i find out that some people are getting a portion of their debt forgiven you can have that ick you have an icky feeling when i find out that some people are getting a portion of their debt

forgiven you can have that ick you're allowed to instinctually feel sure sure then it needs to filter through the a membrane of like conscious consideration yeah and when it doesn't the last thing you should do is share it on a platform to go out there and just like un like shamelessly just whip out your cock and just be like look at this this is good for public right yeah you don't want this to happen everyone wants this and no please put that opinion away and it's like i don't understand why anyway i need to get back to this this chucky cheese birthday party please please get dressed what like what was weird is that sorry completely lost my train of thought oh i was gonna say it's like when you when you're an older sibling and you're like younger sibling

gets a lot more leniency from your parents than you do and so you like you're like oh man like i had to go through a really tough tough time and they're just being so easy with you you don't then go on a tirade against your your parents in their their governing style i just like kind of let it go your childhood was worse yeah yeah for me yeah it's so it's so bizarre but um you know i understand that for a lot of people the student loan forgiveness so i mean for people who are international the president stop listening get the hell out of here just um american-born citizens only including myself the president of the u.s Brandon, Dark Brandon, yeah, Dark Brandon, forgave 10K to 20K, depending on if you had like federal Pell Grant of student loans. I mean, there's it's more complicated than that, but like that's the gist of it.

And a bunch of nuances around how they can be paid and the benefits of. Exactly. like that's the gist of it and a bunch of nuances around how they can be paid and the benefits of exactly there's some other things like your student loan payment can't continue to go up behind like basically the interest rate can't like um keep going i can't remember what it is but basically like the number will keep going down if you're putting um consistent payments on it like you can't get outrun by the by the other methods you can now providing you're paying consistently your interest rate will not increase or you do yeah exactly if you do it along those lines your the amount you pay is still proportional to your incomes you know yeah it's it's a dub i mean like it is a really good piece of legislature yeah it's like and i understand you know people who are upset that

they didn't go farther because the initial promise was for more forgiveness um but it is also like you know it's cool that there's something um and i for the people who are really excited that's and for the people who like it makes a really big difference um that's yeah i mean once you dive like past even the the policy and the nuance and you just go into the result without without further analysis it's just it's just a nice thing that a bunch of people are gonna feel better yeah even just a little bit better if the if the entire rollout was just like free kit kat for anybody i I'm like, okay. I would like health care more.

But I'm like, fuck man, I like a good Kit Kat. You got a junkie on the cards there? The peanut butter, maybe? Exactly, yeah. Sorry, I was going to say something about that. But I had to pay for my Kit Kat junkie. Um... But I had to pay for my Kit Kat junkie It was I was describing the issues with the thing. And I said, sorry, my brain doesn't work. Um.

Oh, um. I. Um, I, the, I think the worst part about them not going farther is it's not like it's going to make, um, like the right, any, like the opposition to the people, any to the, to student loan forgiveness, any less or more mad. Um, because they're going to be, they're going to be mad if it was like $1 and people are going to be pitching a fit about it. And so they could have just gone, like, there's no point in, in my mind, there's no point in trying to find a compromise because the people who are going to be mad are going to be mad if it's $10,000 or like $50,000, $100,000, you know?

So there's a little bit of that where it's like did we really need to compromise but um so it goes yeah like was the response that was expected it's like okay well thanks for tempering we we on our side of the political spectrum do appreciate compromise also like knowledge what you've done and as a result we're actually not going to yell about it as much also it's going to be like impossible to like unforg- like if a republican president came in and was like i'm gonna unforgive the student loans it would be the most unpopular shit in the world and it would be like impossible to do i mean that's just that's just basically stealing. Yeah.

Well, it's like Obamacare. Like Trump made a big deal about canceling Obamacare and couldn't do it because ultimately it was like a popular thing that would be making people worse off to take away. It would be bad politics. Yeah. Once again, can't wait to 24 when we get to see uh the dark v dark you know what i mean oh yeah versus uh dark maga i mean i'm just like how are they both still alive i don't understand um but genuinely from like a darwin perspective they should have to physically fight yeah what gets them in because that will one of

them will pretty decisively win because one of them will turn to dust what blows my mind is that like donald trump eats like big macs and shit for dinner every night and then like just like is in perfect health according to his doctor bro i feel really bad right now yeah yeah and i'm 28 and i just didn't i had like two bigger pastry seven hours yeah yeah yeah i feel like i you know what i definitely couldn't do i can barely podcast what i definitely can't do is run the country which you know arguably he didn't but i couldn't even pretend i can't put on a suit yeah that's it is i don't know have a strange son or three i don't know how we got on on politics but um you know so dark brandon on the mind dark brandon on the mind as he often is um i want to jump back to some wild shit that happened to me that I am excited to talk about

and can now talk about that I've moved. So, so, um, we have not been, we chatted much today. We got on the call and then we got on the pod. So yes, exactly. Exactly. So prior to my move, um, I moved on Thursday. So this happened Monday night, Tuesday morning because it was after midnight. So it's like 2 a.m. And I just got back home from celebrating. I was with our friends, Eddie and Chrissy, and we were celebrating Chrissy's roommate's birthday. And so I get back home. I start getting ready for bed. I start undressing, which is relevant, and brushing my teeth, doing all that jazz. I got in bed, but I was like, oh, I need to get back up because I need to turn off the lights.

And also I had a little bit to drink. So it will come out that I did not properly lock the door. And it wasn't my house and it wasn't my house so so um i'm on my phone and i hear dipper like rustling in his crate or so i thought and um i'm like whatever and then i like pause my thing that i'm listening to to get a better like to get a better ear to get a better listen of what sound i'm hearing and i look up to the doorway of my door and you've seen my room so you know like the bed is against the wall if i'm lying down yeah you know like i'm like i can look straight ahead and see the the doorway yeah a front door basically yeah the uh there is a person standing in the doorway. There is a silhouette of a person. And because the lights...

What's a... Yeah, exactly. Nightmare paralysis demon. Yeah, yeah. So, and the lights still being on are all behind him. So, I only see like a black silhouette. That's so scary. yeah dude yeah um and so i for whatever reason um like jump out of bed in my underwear like turn on my like flashlight and i like shine it at them and i'm like who the fuck are you get out of my house get out of my apartment what the fuck and um and then they were like a deer in headlights or like an intruder in phone lights um and and they weren't moving and i was like

get you know like move like like i was talking to like a an animal or something i mean not to call a person an animal but but you know what I mean? Where I was just like, get, get, get. And they were like, seemingly not processing what I was saying. And then they started being like, oh, I'm so sorry. And I was like, what is going on? And then as they're like, I'm trying to like shepherd them out of my apartment. They're like, they gave me this exact address. And I'm're like they gave me this exact address and i'm like who gave you this exact address is this like door dash or something like is it like a misunderstood delivery person or something and they're like no grinder and i was like oh they're like i'm here for a grinder hookup and they said the door was open and i was

like oh well this is the wrong place you know what i mean like i'm like you have to go and they're like i'm so sorry i'm so sorry and they just i can't describe how like they just weren't moving i think they were in shock but then they were also giving me these weird looks and so i was like i don't know what's going on um and they're like outside my door at this point uh i can hear you but your video froze wait my you're back now hold on i'm back yeah i'm 30 seconds i just everything froze you said you said uh they were a grinder hookup yes they said oh i'm so sorry they began and freeze frame uh see you learn more next episode yeah exactly yeah so they're um so you've been like you know if you're like walking up to my

old apartment there's like a screen door and so i'm like talking to them through the screen now i've got them out of my apartment and i'm like okay you know explain yourself basically and they're telling me the thing about the grinder hookup they got this exact address they were told that the door was open and i was like okay whatever just like leave um and then they're like, yeah, yeah, I'm so sorry. And I'm like, why aren't you leaving? And they're like, sorry, can I ask you a question? And I was like, what?

And they were like, do you make YouTube videos? No. No. And then I was like, what the fuck? Oh, come on. I know, dude. And I'm like, I don't know Oh, come on. What the fuck, Arne? I know, dude. And I'm like, I don't know if it's just like a crazy coincidence.

I do think it is, but it's scarier to imagine that it's like a crazed fan thing. I would follow your logic on that i don't i don't think a crazed fan has the backup rationale yeah of especially of grinder i don't know it's yeah yeah kind of flimsy yeah and also that is the exact way everybody always phrases it it's like can i ask you a question or like yeah hey here's a it's never just you know you know the answer yeah yeah it's also like i knew not important not important not important not important they had to it was weird because i was like you have you feel like you have to i was almost like is this person high on something like yeah like what like you really like just like walked into my house unannounced and expect to like be like oh well this is kind of crazy but like do you make youtube videos like the heck

what the fuck like get out of here um like why would you like in the slow ushering out too that's yeah it's not like the weirdest part but that's the part that keeps sticking in my brain is not like oh fuck bye like yeah trait immediately down the stairs yeah it was so weird like i my only explanation was that they were in shock for like two reasons like one they were in the wrong place and then two they were like oh i recognize this person from somewhere but it was like very you know um what's the word uh violating i guess you know i'm sorry that happened to you i mean i'm also very glad you moved yeah me too i was like thank god i'm moving in two days. But also, like, you know, I hope it was just a coincidence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was super fucking strange.

And I'm also like... Backstory still unknown. Still unknown. I thought that there is a couple couple that like has visitors a lot at night and so i thought it might be related to that but i reached out to them and they were like no that's not us so i was like oh like like my neighbors um and so i was like, Oh, that's worse. Wow. Yeah. So that was crazy.

At least it resolved. Okay. I mean, yeah, I was, yeah, it's resolved. Okay. Um, I didn't like lay a hand or finger onto this person, even though I probably was well within my right to, you know um which is which is good you know it's like no con no like sort of physical conflict or anything and I wasn't in danger so that's good yeah but that was that was crazy there's so much yeah there's so much to

chew on god damn um sorry my brain is just fast I know dude it's insane it's insane what the fuck what do you even do i do not know like seriously i don't i know i'm hopping on it but thank fuck you then move i know dude like a weird blessing in disguise from whatever his name was that gave you seven days notice yeah yeah yeah seriously because yeah 100 um so yeah that was something and then and then i was like well damn like i'm now like can this move hurry up and happen um and it did here you are at shea new shea johnson new shea johnson um have you christened the place with a name yet like an official title um i'm thinking uh the stronghold oh okay yeah i get yeah the black knight's fortress stronghold um or the black knight's Fortress shout out to Reed's game that's pretty good the Felidin

the Felidin yeah Felidin almost sounds like the name of a medieval castle it's very middle-aged welcome to Felidin welcome traveler here's my scheming vizier

Ben Shapiro. Hey. I'm here in medieval time. I would not have thrived at this time in history. So, yeah, that's, I mean, I've got a couple of random little, you know, things that I've been up to. But, yeah. you know things that i've been up to but but yeah i'm scrolling through my notes um i want to do i want to do a bit where i scroll through the notes that i write for myself that i never look back at because um

it would be nice to look back at them actually but have a function for it yeah um cancel bills and subscriptions you know uh i paid off my student loans that shit was lame um which actually is the perfect amount of like reflection right yeah hear that news and you know the feedback should be that was lame yeah congrats on congrats on not having to do that yeah that should be it yeah um darman fanfic because there is a darman jarvis fanfic that i am planning to read on stream at some point um the phrase i got andrew tate's nose that turned into a tweet um what else is in here uh i mean someone walked into my house my home at 2 a.m that you know we oh uh imagine you think you're about to get laid and you see jarvis johnson um are you a youtuber oh the least sexy thing there is did you so andrew tate got deplatformed

look man i don't know if i want to bring the energy down but freedom and speech and for all in the combination of those two things yeah despite what everything dark brand has done for us the woke moralists the crusade won't stop against the free man against the oh wait i just saw a very small summary of the things andrew tate says every day no he's trashed him yeah he's trash turns out throw him away the the the wildest thing to me was the amount of people and this includes um you know fellow creators and i don't want to put anyone specific on blast but i do want to say that i saw a concerning amount of people saying that um deplatforming andrew tate will will not work

it will just make him more powerful or something like that and i do not think we have a single example of that ever being the case. It's pretty horrible. Yeah. And I mean, I could be wrong. And also with all due respect to the people I am now sub-mentioning, the point is not to speak down on those people, but simply to talk about the argument because it is something that I saw a lot and something that I saw getting a lot of engagement and likes and stuff on Twitter.

And I was like, to me, deplatforming famously works. It's a famously effective thing. And I think that, you know, I mean, it's just like a TOS violation. Like Andrew Tate is like, he's like kind of since backtracked on a lot of his statements and like gone on Fox news and absolutely rebranded himself, like tried to rebrand himself. He's like, I never hated women. And it's like, I actually love women. I love women. Yeah.

I'm which is, and that's that. That's his point is in fact, my, the, the tape related mentions that I get, which is my favorite type of discourse on Twitter. Genuinely. You've been,

you've been tweeting a lot about tape, which I figured it was a safe thing to bring up. I just fucking love it. It's such a fun fan base to engage with. Although I am trying, I try and pull back if they clearly identify themselves as like children, because I just don't. Actually, okay, random aside, I will say, if you happen to be an Andrew Tate fan listening and watching this, first of all, commend you for sticking through us talking about that portion.

Or if you're even on some level just kind of a defender or you think there's some merit there it's completely okay to feel regardless of your identity it is okay to feel unrepresented or disenfranchised no matter whatever the reason the feeling you're having is completely fine and valid and it is i think the reason we see such a ridiculous surplus of, well, have you not seen the suicide rates? They are higher for men. Or what about all these podcasts called Kill All Men? I understand what's happening in your brain. I understand why you're trying to equalize.

I understand why you're saying, I had to pay off my student loans. Why don't they? Yeah. There is an imbalance of power here when it feels like you the person that is relating with andrew tate and you're finding something cathartic in what he's saying you have to understand that the reason you're enjoying it so much is that it's giving you a relief from the hard work of having to analyze the privilege that you hold or mean yeah you don't struggle that's not what anybody is saying

nobody's denying that you struggle or that rather that you don't struggle or that it's not valid to feel that way but the mechanisms that some that that are a fucking charlatan like a snake oil salesman like tate is trying to sell you is he's trying to sell you a confirmation bias he's trying to tell you all the things you feel like you should do already and that you like doing are the right thing and that everybody telling you not to do those things is what's making you feel bad but that not yeah you feel bad because the way you've been conditioned the presentation of your masculinity is hurting you first it's toxic it's bile it's it's stinging your throat on the way out and then it's burning people when it gets on them right there's no no

reason to play into that guy's bullshit if something he or anybody else in his funny little ecosystem says resonates with you that's okay it's okay that you felt that now take that feeling and seek things that will actually make you feel better first one being kindness yeah the confrontation is not know, like like you're describing and they offer a convenient villain. so easy to believe the things that he's saying is because they operate under the assumption that the traditional power structures and status quo of of the past is the correct one and biologically endemic there it just exists no matter the hegemony is inside us from day one. Yeah, it's biological. It's true. It's just our nature.

You know what I mean? That type of thing, it's like when he says, I'm just saying what other people are thinking or someone hears what he's saying and goes, I've always thought that. It's not that what he's saying is correct and that's always why you've thought it. It's because we've had centuries of power structures that have created all this momentum towards those ideas. And only in recent history are we starting to challenge some of those long standing power structures like the patriarchy or whatever. And so when someone's like, oh, a man needs to be big and strong, just like the old days,

it's like, well, of course that's easy to believe because that's all you've been fed for most of your life. Like implicitly through pop culture and media and, you know, in just society because the majority of people thought like that. So those ideas are very easy to access. The harder ideas to access. It is your gender identity and you want to affirm it and that's the only way you know how to right now yeah yeah um the harder thing to do which i you know also believe is the correct thing is to um acknowledge the criticisms of these structures and and how to actually like productively and

healthfully solve you know the problems of you know it i mean just like every day a lot of these things are just like everyday problems of like being a person but the villain is not the villain is not just an entire gender you know what i mean yeah or ideology or whatever you want to describe it to the reason it feels nice to think that is because it's simple and it's quick and all you have to do is sign up for a 49.99 a day course yeah boys school for yeah yeah and you don't need to think critically or engage with it but like and also acknowledge your biases when you hear people like us say things like this if the first thing that comes into your head is well they're just saying this

to get girls well why do you think that first of all look how fucking pretty we are okay yeah not unnecessary okay yeah it's yeah i if that's your instinct i'm so sorry that's your instinct that that is something to interrogate why is that the thing you feel immediately maybe because that's something that you desire and in your mind there's no reason anybody would do something out of actual compassion it would only be out of self-interest yeah it's a very cynical way to it's a very cynical way to view the world is that the only reason that someone is doing something is for their own personal gain um which i think it comes from when people don't have a sense of community

somewhere in their life yeah whatever that is. Because why, what are you breaking yourself down to rebuild for? Why would I accept criticism of myself when all I really want is acceptance? So if I'm not going to get that acceptance here, in this place where people are shouting at me, and saying that, like, my profile picture of jordan peterson benching a skinny long version of joe biden and dunking him in an ice cream trolley or something if people are saying that that's kind of whack and cringe well then i'll just go to kiwi farms if you're gonna be mean to me yeah just go to my own echo chamber yeah there is a so much power serious i'm like the number one

thing i'd want uh i don't know like 19 year old jordan to know if i could have just immediately given him information it would be it is so powerful to acknowledge when you are wrong or don't know something yeah it is so until you get older you don't realize that it's completely fine to say that you haven't seen the movie someone's referencing yeah hey have you seen this yeah uh yeah of course what yeah epic dude nephic um my favorite my favorite gum gum guy um oh stretchy lufo stretchy lufo in the the lufa he's he's in the in the the nephic is the treasure in the grand place place single one yeah the single one yeah i i think the same thing i think that like i definitely used to like when i was in high school i was very much like woe is me i'm too i'm you know never gonna be appealing to the opposite sex and i'm not going to be successful and that's what people want or girls want a bad boy or all of these.

I'm not going to be a man's man. I'm not going to be a man's man and I'm not. And it turns out that that didn't matter. You know what I mean? it turns out that you can be yourself and you can be confidently yourself and you can kind of stay i think the one thing that i had going for me was that i wanted to do things the right way and I had this like, like, I wanted to succeed by being myself. And I would beat myself up for not getting the things that I wanted or not not being super outgoing, not being able to talk to girls not being able to like go on dates and stuff. But I, I knew that if I kept kind of

beating my head against the wall, I would figure out like my own confidence and my own self and sense of self. And, and, and that kind of thing, like, I think I lucked out in many ways, not going down one of these rabbit holes.

It was also like a different time. So like the same rabbit holes were, yeah, weren't there, but we had less exposure to those ideas but also like we didn't have the as many or as easy a forum to propagate them and to like get practiced in that language right yeah just hey i mean yeah you can hop on newgrounds but you can't tweet consistently and i feel like such a boomer when I say stuff like this.

But it did feel very different. There was so much friction to spreading those ideas, consuming them, repeating them. There was no, like, quick communication style. And if there were, it was aim with the 25 people in you. Right. I do remember feeling though that like feeling, you know, if a female friend of mine was complaining about being catcalled or talking about the attention that she was receiving from men. When I was a teenager. Yeah, I was like, wow, it must be nice. You know what I mean?

I didn't say that externally because i at least knew that that would be not be helpful but there's a part of me that was like well if i had that attention i wouldn't have the same problems you have what i want in that regard but then when you actually listen to people who are experiencing this stuff it's like oh no oh no, this is a, this is not a good thing. This is a, this is a problem. This is like someone's safety feeling violated or someone's always has to be on guard and protecting themselves. And it's not like this, it's a grass is greener like situation and i think that like one of the issues with like manosphere content is that they very much downplay the value of listening to women and listening to hearing women out when they share their experiences and their stories because they don't know what they want quote

unquote and uh i think that that's kind of silly because if you're like ignore half of the population they don't know about their own experience that that's going to lead you down a very um a very dark dark rabbit hole so it mythologizes like a woman yeah mythologizes an entire type of people down to a like a like this sub-genre of human yeah well this is yeah they're kind of people you know there's gamers musicians skateboarders and women yeah the expert the dlc women and it's just it to to like caricature. Oh, I've got a frozen Jarvis, but I'm just going to look. Yeah, I'm still hearing you, by the way. So hopefully it just does, fixes itself. Just you and me, solo.

Can you hear me though? It was me all along, Austin. You know that one? Know that meme? Yeah. Wait, can you hear me? It was me, Austin. So I guess one? Know that meme? That, yeah. Wait, can you hear me? It was me, Austin. So I guess maybe you can't hear me.

Pretty funny meme. Oh. I think we lost the Jordan audio. Is it me? Is it Jarvis? Will it return? Zoom's reconnecting. Oh, it reconnected in your back.

Strange. Interesting. Did you also have a nice one-to-one dialogue with austin for a while there i could hear you but you couldn't hear me so i heard you were awesome yeah i heard it was me austin it was me all along austin do you do you remember where you were um i was round about something or other. I don't know. I mean, the essentials, yeah, we've already covered it. But if any part of you finds Tate's rhetoric appealing, then there is a valid reason for that.

Not that what he's saying is valid, but you aren't enjoying it for no reason. And by enjoying it, I'm not going to dehumanize you down to just just being just an entirely a piece of shit because i think a lot of what tate's rhetoric is all about which you can you can kind of extend out to like a jordan peterson but jordan peterson's is so it's so grand and like cosmic and like ethereal and pseudo-scientific his game is so much more about like over intellectualizing the universe and feeling like also he's kind of had a lot of years to bake because like we kind of you know it's like uh keen keen eyes always knew what

jordan peterson was going for but we also have the sort of fact that he's sort of come out and gone mask off in recent years yeah which is actually yeah that more in the vein of tate and tate was never mask on i think maybe that's what people find so appealing right and i think that now people are like because he's trying to rebrand he's almost trying to put on the mask and and he doesn't know what the point of the mask is. You know what I mean? Oh man. Do I have the song? Um, so yeah, I think one, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to mention this in a way to like invite a dialogue with these people because i have no interest in talking to them um but the

one thing that really annoyed me is the um sneeko response to noah samson's video where he noah shows his audience being 50 50 and sneeko comes up with a argument for why that's bad and why sneeko's 95 male audience is good because he doesn't pander to women and normal yeah because pandering is when it's exactly in the pandering is when it's in the middle uh and it's not normal for a man to have a 50 to appeal halfway to women to appeal 50 to 50 of women they're like women just kind of naturally dislike things right in order to even get an even split you have to really and you know we both know how noah panders he makes videos and he says the things he's feeling yeah and um it's kind of funny and well informed and that's pandering yeah exactly and you know what doesn't count as pandering

is screaming constantly just just just yelling just literally yelling yeah fucking time i tried mate i tried two minutes of that i watched noah's video about it and then i tried to just isolated watch some sneaker content i thought i was having a nightmare like i thought i was having an actual real nightmare and i was looking at a weird warped version of myself and he's yelling at me but having too much soy in my diet or something yeah i mean he really does feel like the final evolution right because it's just noise it's just it's like uh it's hyper pop right and i don't mean that in a bad way i just mean like it's like uh or it's death grips it's just like distort this to the most interesting level and

then just like blend it all together yeah i can't you were literally just ambient you're like lo-fi misogynist beats to study too to deteriorate you know what i mean yeah to deteriorate too lo-fi hate to harass with yeah it because it just feels it's like the tune of misogyny, but like, they're not even engaging with ideas anymore. It's just, bitch this, bitch that. Yeah, that is what genuinely, and this has been acknowledged 10,000 times more by 10,000 others and 10,000 people 10,000 times much smarter than me. But it is so transparent that it has gained this weird it's it's vaccinated itself yeah it's almost like there's no uh subtext of misogyny because it's just misogyny yeah it's like oh yeah no that's what i don't like that i'm saying that's bad and they go well it's

a hundred percent of what i am and believe yeah it's it's weird um i don't i can't push back against that i'm trying to like dry the sea yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but anyway but anyway all of that like yeah yeah if for whatever reason you align with some of these ideologies that we're talking about and you watched all the way through appreciate that uh i know that with some like healthy self-critique and some i don't know exploration of yourself your own biases there's a seat at the table you know there is a world where we bump into you on the street we have have a nice conversation. Yeah, I mean... If you are a person out there that aligns with Tate's rhetoric for whatever reason, there is a universe where you can get out of that mindset and people like me and Jarvis

get along with you just fine and I'm sure you can be a human being. I have less... Right now you're just wrapped up in a comforting, hateful blanket that does not benefit you. I have less issue with the people who identify with the, this content and more with the people who are making it, who kind of are, are kind of winking at the camera and are doing this as like a grift where they're like making money, a ton of money on this because they know that they're playing on they're playing on pretty much age old like belief systems you know what i mean yeah you're playing into the confirmation bias yeah yeah exactly and if you need any more proof of that just look what tate did the moment he got quote d platform just go on tucker and be like i'm actually so what um what actually i think

epic is being gay i think that's really cool and so is women and i like and all i ever said was that you should get a bunch of bros that you trust and grow with them that's right and i was like what i've already said is to just um you know have like nice emotes in your discord yeah it's so bizarre um brother so uh all right what else should we talk about uh we we set them on fire they're over they're done they're done time's up fellas yeah oh what's that he just got deplatformed we're recording this in uh early august by the way yeah whatever i do think a lot about what Sad Boys is to me creatively like where it lives

in the ecosystem in my brain and one thing the thing that it's always been is the show I do with my friend that's what it started as and whenever we've come back into it it's stayed that we've done it in so many different contexts and for so many different reasons in so many different ways but it's always just sad boy isn't it just we could stop doing the

show for 10 years and i would still consider myself that does a show with my friend yeah there's now with with youtube as a i guess my job that's a strange idea but yeah i i guess with youtube there now youtube is so explicitly a performance and i don't mean that in a bad or disingenuine way but it's my channel is very much a character that i enjoy playing but that partially comes through the edit as well as just the the performance of being live on Twitch. And it's pretty cathartic for me to have a space that's like so well established, a tone, a show that's so well established

that I can publicly put out what feels like a more comfortable, sincere version of myself. Right. Which is exactly the way I want it to be. I wanna, I like what the channel is and I'm proud of it and I'm very thankful to you and the rest of the team for helping me make a thing of it but you're right separation of church and state you know what i mean yeah and uh one of the things i do want to touch on real quick because it's i i realized

last time we recorded the episode it was in a relatively good mood we talked about our moods in general I was pretty blasé about where I was at and ever since it's kind of been playing on my mind that it it wasn't insincere but I think I was being maybe a little

a little flippant to myself and I realized that like it's really important to me that sad boys like our relationship is just like it's just predicated on total transparency or what's the point right yeah and be made very uncomfortable knowing that I'm like not being clear on a in a in a space where anyway yeah I'm phrasing that very poorly but it's important to me and as a result I want to say to people who may not be up to date I don't know where I've talked about it how but to what extent I've talked about it on different platforms different contexts so just to be very clear without going into a ton of nuance i can't fucking do it i you don't have to.

And you can also do it later. Part of me does. I don't know. Okay. Beginning of this year, my mom, this year, beginning of last year, my mom got really sick. She's alive. But she's not well. And that's where most of my 2022, maybe, almost certainly. My sleep schedule is so bad that I'm not sure what year it is.

I get it. Anyway, Jarvis, welcome to the past. I spent most, all of my 2021 and then most of my 2022 is kind of her one-to-one carer and so if people see me i'm in a lot of different locations or i'm in person for the pod or the videos we shot you know a few months ago i guess at this point and then like another went to universal i'm in that photo with nick and then i wasn't there again and people like what the fuck is happening uh it's because i'm back and forth in LA for six weeks back here for two months LA six weeks blah blah blah blah blah blah one of the main reasons for that is because I want to be here and I want to be checking on my mom and I want to be kind of present and um I don't even

know if I was going anywhere with this but it's just really we can trim this down for expediency but I it's just very important to me this down for expediency but i it's just very important to me that i start saying that out loud instead of feeling like i'm curating it like i would a pr event like i've not been super duper private about it but i i'm always so scared of feeling like i'm commodifying that part of my life for content but it's also really important for me to be able to to talk about this in general yeah I don't even really talk to my therapist about it out loud very much I think there's a difference between commodifying it which I don't think you're doing and like trying to be trying to not sort of have to having to play a character where you avoid this aspect of your reality

for a long period of time. Sounds like really taxing. You know what I mean? And it does feel a little, I do feel like on some, we get some very nice messages about this show. No matter how much other projects or whatever, Sad Boys is still the thing I hear the most about,

and it's the one that means the most to people. And a lot of that, I think, comes from the sincerity and the transparency. And I don't want to feel like when I get messages from those people, I don't want to feel like, well, as far as you know, or feel like they're appealing to, again, this premise. And part of the ask that we make of people and of each other, and that I'd like to kind of make to people that listen, part of the ask we make is being transparent

and to just try opening up to people that little bit more. And then, you know, more often than not, you'll probably be surprised when people welcome it. Right. Find the right people in the right way. And this is the right way. And I know I'm saying it to the right people. So I want to lead by example and

actually say these things that are on my mind that matter so i i i don't even have the capacity in my brain to track the last couple years how things have happened and why nor do i think it matters but it's really important to me that people know that that's like the frame of my life right now yeah if you see me in different places that's why uh and if i'm i'm a little wonky that's why or it's that i got a new set of invisalign and it's so tight that it's like making my eyes cross yeah i started putting in my retainer again and it is not fun uh oh just overnight or just overnight it's it's a trip dude it's working though it's so yeah yeah yeah yeah i did not like i i mean you experienced this with the braces but i don't know what the this is so sad boys by the way do you see how we just like i've abandoned uh so in my case i'll

take these out to eat right and when i close my mouth just the first time i got them out got them out put them in a little old man denture yeah whatever i will close my mouth again and my bite's different every time yeah yeah but the bite is i think feels very different because for 90 of the day i've got you know cling film on my teeth yeah wearing cotton buds yeah with braces was it more just like um like noticing a new freckle or something where just one day he's going oh that's there's a that's different it was very time it was very gradual but every now and again and i still get this when i put on my retainer overnight and wake up especially because it's been so long and there's been movement uh in my mouth my teeth are just like very sense like not

sensitive but like in not in pain and not sensitive but like the combination of those two things where it's like it's suffering it's like they feel like they're screaming you know what i mean um and yeah i think that the braces complicate so much that um even when i had them on i wasn't able to appreciate the stuff that they were doing it was like when i got them off and it was like this very dramatic change like because once they were off and i like bit into something and it was like a clean bite i was like this is crazy because before my like mouth didn't close in the front my teeth didn't connect And so that meant that I couldn't bite. Like if I had to bite down on a burger or something, or a burger was fine

because you can kind of bite into it and then break it. But like pasta or something, like an apple again is like a bite in and then you could break it off. But like if I wanted to bite pasta or something, then I would have to like come on the side or like a piece of pizza. I couldn't eat it like that. I'd have to like come on the side or like a piece of pizza i i couldn't eat it like that i'd have to like if it was like a thin slice of pizza yeah i'd have to

like use the side of these two right here for that the wonky one meaning it's like i'm always gonna be like yeah shovel in snow yeah yeah and so yeah that was it's weird because i um that was like my life for two years and now i'm struggling to like remember having braces so that's another advertisement for getting braces because you will not you know especially as an adult like when you're a kid you are forming a lot more core memories i think and you you probably have like a lot of a bigger percentage of your life at that point is you having braces but the years have flown by especially like in the pandemic and so i barely even remember like i've had my braces off for two

years i realized that the other day and it that's crazy to me yeah that is actually nuts yeah you move you'd moved right i moved um yeah i i because i i got them off in la i got them off in san francisco but i was going back to san francisco for check-in check-ins yeah um so i want to say i got them off around my birthday 2020 that's so wild yeah oh i think Jarvis can probably hear me, but he's frozen on my screen. That's correct. Why is this happening? Who knows? Literally, why is it happening?

I don't know. Because when you think about it, the connection... Oh, he's back. It still works because he can hear me, you see. I know. Yeah. Oh, and now he's back. Yeah.

And you see... This is what's interesting. I'm going to break it down for you real quick. Now, I'm no computer scientist. My DMs would tell you otherwise. Hey, how do you get into computer science? Don't know. I just look like one.

So many, dude. Less now. But I would say when, like, it was, we weren't even really doing the podcast that much, but I was on your videos, that was peak getting DMs, like 2017, 2018, getting DMs about like, how do you get into computer science? That is wild to me. Because, yeah, I guess I got them too, but I don't even think I got them as much as you did. Because I was like, nowadays I barely't even think I got them as much as you did because I was like nowadays I barely it's like barely a thing

I guess I look like a man that can type and that's what it's all about yeah typing is like the main thing you guys are crazy for that okay so I'll save that for next time but i do have a question about a monk among us uh yeah we among us uh yeah we should probably wrap this one um yeah this was nice

this is nice though right yeah this was great um what a great time on sad boys I'm sorry that I'm so low energy today but I it's late I'm sick I like doing the show though I like doing the show no matter what so I will question I was about to do a call out for pen pals that is what I was

going to we're on the same wavelength so at the end of the show, we want to do a pen pal segment. We want to give advice, give commentary on your life. So send us anything you want. Put pen pals in the subject line in email to sadboyspod at gmail.com. And we will potentially read your email let us know if we can read your email and let us know what information you want us to share if you want us to share your

name or not things like that but sadboyspod at gmail.com it'll be nice don't forget the z don't forget the z and we won't tell you where it is thanks dude i'm i'm glad you're doing okay i'm glad you're satisfied with the move if a bit worn out yeah i just i just gotta just keep keep going um you've got the the warming the warming smile of rochelle in the way yes that's true's true. And I think I'm just going to watch a melee tournament. And we've come back to a familiar tableau. A familiar place. Me by myself, Jarvis able to hear me. I can hear him.

I'm able to hear him. Yep. I believe it was Immanuel Kant. Oh, I was going to say Descartes. Hey, how's it going? I'm so glad you appeared then because i didn't have a quote i think we should leave in those parts because the past two times i have been responding to you even though you can't hear me and i think it's i think it's a funny a funny bit um enjoying it i oh i was gonna say that i am probably gonna lie in bed and watch uh a melee

slash ultimate tournament shine is happening right now so let's go um probably gonna do that until rochelle comes over because and i think i had some groceries i think i had some groceries delivered so i get to use my new snazzy refrigerator. So pretty excited. It keeps things cold, which is cool. Ooh, on purpose? Yeah, and then you can put it in a part where it freezes them as well. That's messed up. Yeah.

You don't need any more, okay? Yeah, I'm living in the lap of luxury right now. Have you seen those wet metals metals it's like a bit of metal that comes out of the kitchen and shoots oh that shoots water um what sorry water yeah ocean it's like yeah it gets water out of the ocean and brings it into your kitchen pulls it out all the way out of the yeah it's a very long long tube and then there's a man like blowing water through the tube. Yeah.

Yeah, I've got one of those. Not to flex. We end every episode of Staff Boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry. We're sorry.