Sad Boyz - Streamers Behaving Badly

Episode Date: December 13, 2025

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. What the hell is up? I'm tired. But also, I was like trying to not take my ADHD medication and I was going to be even more tired. And that is the lesson of the show. Guys, don't take your medication.

I was trying. I can't do it. It doesn't do anything. No, it does. The ideas that you're having when you don't take them, they're really good. I was just, I failed to consider that I should just rise and grind, actually. I should just pick myself up. When do you feel like, because I know we, we both, I think, I mean, we got a relative

diagnoses very late in life, both mid-20s, I think, when we go, and I, did you ever have like the, I think I was quite explicitly, at least on a subconscious level, like, no, it's failure if I get diagnosed, didn't help, but get medication or something. I may not say explicitly, but I definitely, when growing up, that was very much the predominant Interesting. I don't think I thought about it at all. That's mainly because I was, like, drinking a thousand units of caffeine today. That's the trouble, right? Because sometimes you can overpower it with unhealthy self-medication, and you go, like, oh, I just need to find a way to feel caffeinated.

Yeah, let me drink a sip of this coffee, and then I'll answer your question. Everyone else must just be better caffeined. I got an eggnog-flavored one. I'm not fucking with it at all. This is fine. I do feel like I still have a little bit of that stigma in my head where it's like, why can't you just do this? You failure?

To me? No, to me. You've been saying that to me? Well, I think it about you. I've never said it out loud. I feel that way like all the time, especially like this week and last week and every week. But especially, yeah, next week. This week I've been feeling very much like a failure.

It's been feeling like I haven't been able to do anything, and it's frustrating, but it's like, I don't know, it, it, I'm sure it'll pass, but it's also just like on top of that, my sleep has been kind of messed up, and I'm just, I feel like I'm just completely off kilter. I'm like off my game in all ways. I mean, the, the frustrating loop is like, man, I'm so tired, I can't sleep. now is the time for my human body to kick in and use the sleepy juice whatever's being leaked to make me go to bed

and feel good when I sleep and then the second you're in bed it's like eyes wide awake don't worry I fixed it yeah and it's like okay but then I like try to step out of bed and then it's like ooh drowsy again and you like it's this weird thing where you can't ever activate your brain to do anything productive but then you're also

tired unless you're You try to sleep. It's like, how do you navigate this? I don't know. What were a, what the hell were the caveman doing, bro? Foraging, I guess, mainly. You ever think about cavemen snoozing? Like a midday nap?

Yeah, well, like, you wake up with the sun, and then you're like, ah, fuck that. I'm going to make a sleep mask out of leaves. That's a bit of silk that I will refine. It would be kind of wild to, whenever anybody has to espouse the value of the paleo lifestyle or whatever. It's what our ancestors did. Like, yeah, most of what our ancestors did kind of stack. Yeah.

It was pretty bad, actually. Well, it was pre-deodorant, so definitely stayed. Oh, my Lord, can you imagine? That's really the magic school bus time travel, like, oh, we're going to go back and see what the Victorian era was like and pass. I do feel like the, I do feel like we must have discovered perfume and deodorant pretty early because I sometimes feel an instinct to, like, if I smell I would just rub whatever on me it smells strong

I need to like make something cover this up that's true I think as soon as we were kind of operating with opposable thumbs first in six coming in like how do I smell is gaming around yet is yeah do we have an Xbox

do I have an SD card that's why I feel like the thumb really started to peek around like the N64 controller once that was here I feel like maybe dual shock you know when you were using both thumbs that's true that does change everything pretty huge because I'm old enough to remember the PS1 controller without a single analog stick sad sad wasted time sad waste of time and potential thumbs are sat there like I guess I'll just only touch the face buttons and accidentally hit one what are we talking about gross but then in uh disgusting dual stock comes along and then the gyroscope on the visit now we're like oh that's what wrists are for

Gyroscope sometimes stresses me out. I don't like when there's extra functions that I'm not always thinking about. So I had someone try to give me their number recently via the bump. Oh, yeah. And I turned the bump off. I... And I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm like this. I turned it off.

First iPhone ever got, it was a hand me sideways. I got it from a friend. Okay. I got a hand me sideways, uh, iPhone. And the reason I wanted an iPhone, like the, only thing is that I'd seen friends use an app which allowed you to do the bump essentially. It's like a 3G. Yeah.

And I tried to use that app and then bumped into the issue that like I was in like school and I wasn't making context. I wasn't networking. It wasn't applicable. 20 years go by or five or whatever. Yeah, I'm young. Sure. And then now.

Now I'm just like it's finally paying off and I don't want to do that. Don't touch my phone. It's like, yeah. It is cute. It's cute. It's cute. It's cute. Hello, Sad Boys Live.

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where no one can see it live but it's special okay no it's a little treat maybe it's a little treat we're in your dream we'll be in your dreams sadboys pod dot com slash live but uh but yeah so so how did we get there though the bump the technology the SD card that fixes bad bad smells the people stink uh the why why can't the human brain fix this sleeping yeah well the fuck i think um our cave ancestors had very different sleep patterns than us like wildly like they went to bed when like as soon as it got dark and then they would wake up in the middle of the night do stuff like put in the blanket they had like two sections of well you're about to tell us that we should do the uberman uberman i actually think like we

should polyphasic sleep no i think well that is polyphasic sleep but you're describing not the uberman's like a whole different it's a it's a it is polyphasic but the the poly is like I think you're sleeping like six or eight times yeah that was uh let me tell you on my brief attempt in my final year of college it's really effective if you are mainly playing dark souls yeah and then waking up with the energy to write the thing you're supposed to write finding out that the hand in for that was like weeks ago little and going oh let me just play a little dark souls figure this out I feel again, I think we've talked about this before, but there was a guy I went to college with who did it, and it felt like it took a village to, like, make sure that he was getting, staying, getting awake. And he did it to, quote unquote, watch more anime. Well, the thing is, like, I don't begrudge anyone for really trying any of these, uh, any, any kind of trend, because, I mean, kind of like we're saying, I felt like I was being proactively disincentivized from looking into mental health stuff. You feel like it was just kind of passively going past you.

But the desire to feel better is always there. The desire to get deodorant, even though it doesn't exist. I'm sure it's always there. And I, now, I'm curious on your thoughts about it. Because I think I've mostly shed the bias of, um, medication is cheating or like, medications, whatever. You know, my medication is, it's, it's, it's B12 to me at this point. Oh, yeah, I just have a natural deficiency in X and Y category. I'm very happy with the...

Yeah, you have a natural deficiency in being cool, so you need to take the supplement for that. No, I actually have a one that reduces how cool I am because I'm overdosing on being so cool. That's what the doctor said. I agree to disagree. But when I went to the doctor, I saw your results also. No, that's... That breaks confidentiality. You should have looked, actually.

The cops were on their way. No, I was on the table and the wind blew it up. I was supposed to read it. And then a bird came by and said, cuck-all, there's a travisis results. I can't read that. And he says, I'm going to read it out of you. Wow.

And I heard them and I don't know. And I tried to close my ears and then I grew new ones. I grew new ones. But yeah, I heard them and your results were better. I'm great. Okay. But I don't even need a cool supplement because I'm just the perfect amount of cool. Fuck, that is good.

Yeah, it's true. No. But there's like, mostly no bias. And then when my energy or like, kind of general headspace is low, and I'm feeling depressed, it's like all the, the bias slips back in. And I take my mitigation and you're like, great, here we go. Oh, pop your normal pills, you're like, an idiot. And it like, it sinks back in out of, out of nowhere, which I know is, it's just insecurity or whatever. That reminds me. I'm like wondering if I took, I don't

think I took my normal pills. I got to go upstairs and take my normal pills. Um, so I, uh, went upstairs and i took my normal pills and then i was reminded that i we got a holiday uh a little holiday present from the kind folks at mythical uh hashtag red and link and we've got that on the episode right and they hashtag everybody hashtag red and link the um they sent and i think this is just because like they're hip and cool and avant guard i guess the strangest collect of treats I've ever seen in my entire life and I'm going to tell you the one

I already brought down four of them which which which will tell you but I the one that you guys don't know about is this one that I just brought which is a tub fried chicken fairy floss so it's like candy cotton candy

but essentially fried chicken but fried chicken yeah do you think as good mythical morning broke in their palate I think they don't, this is normal food. They don't know how to taste unless it's weird. Oh, well, question, question. It's like, fairy floss,

has anybody else heard that term before? Well, isn't, isn't it kind of British? Candy floss, fairy floss? Candy floss is what I grew up saying. Oh, no. Who calls it fairy floss? Sugar floss? The hell's going on?

I think you call it candy floss. I'm a mendeleering. You're bleeding. He knows. I went to go eat one of those, and I smelled it and decided not to know. Yeah, that is. saltwater taffy which is great but it's dill flavored which is what the fuck

let me smell it something right I guess we now have to try one of these yeah I think you guys have to try him oh yeah something you have to eat one this is uh pad tie flavored pad Thai flavored popcorn

yeah that's fine it's like peanuty I feel like popcorn for whatever reason might be the most versatile base for weird flavors agreed because also we have a story history of putting a lot of weird shit in popcorn well yeah any of these flavors on popcorn would be great fried chicken popcorn

dil popcorn that's making by target this is Iowa sweet corn marshmallows so that's this and then last but not at least I feel like marshmallows are kind of sweet corny always I rolled a nine and a five that's because I'm working my nine to five baby

zero oh that's weird um oh six seven uh this one is chocolate and I was like oh hell yeah it's tomato chocolate it's white chocolate tomato the hell is that the hell is even that

the hell is even that bad type popcorn that's good it's good it's not bad you know what fuck it I'll I'll try this dill salt water taffi trigger warning if I'm about to spit some shit out you spit it right at the camera

the last time I had saltwater taffy and I don't know where saltwater taffy is like from but I had the sea My first experience with it was my Scottish math teacher Dr. Goddessman bringing it into class and I assumed it was from Scotland because I was like

I don't know why you guys have it This wild Scottish candy we ate today in class And it's always in wax paper because it's I don't know where it's from either But it is usually I associate it with like the seaside Eyebrows borrowed but not He seems to like it

Eyes wide. Oh, I brows up. He's excited. He's good. Oh, he's ill. And it's been ejected. I don't want to finish it because it's like such a commitment. I don't know.

Saltwater coffee is like so chewy. It takes a while. But what I will say is that it is far more saltwater taffy than it is dill. The smell is strong, but the flavor is more strongly sweet taffy style. Maybe I'll have some later. Yeah, we can try it later. Most food historians believe saltwater taffy was. invented in the early 1880s.

The story begins with a gentleman named John Ross Edmiston, the owner of a small boardwalk postcard shop in Atlantic City. So, yeah, it was invented in New Jersey. Okay. So, yeah, on the boardwalk. That makes sense why if you ever go to a boardwalk, there's usually a taffey store. God, I have, the number of times I've been to a boardwalk is like, you guys. The number of times I've been to a taffy store.

I'm like so busy at boardwalks these days, you know? I've been to, I've been to Coney Island. I've been to Santa Cruz boardwalk. Santa Monica Oh, Brighton Point at me When you're from Britain Brighton

The Stroud That's kind of bad You went to the Stroud boardwalk It is ladlocked So we We went to the streamer awards No nominations It's the talk of the town

For whatever reason Mostly the not streaming Not streaming at any point At any point That is That always squeezes But you know I think we've been to a few now

It's a good time It's a fun time. It's nice. Food's good. Very good. Seeing everybody. We were sitting with, uh, we were sitting with Eddie and Alana and Ethan. We got a funny table that was one of the few ones that was kind of formatted like Stadler and Waldorf.

Yeah, we were just like lofted up. We were like, into a circular table, it was lined along next to one of the little balconies. And we're just kind of like staring at everyone below us. Um, it was. Waiting at Eric. Hello. I do feel like there were a lot of controversy. that came out of this stream rewards,

which were interesting. I was, maybe you remember a little better than me. I memory all this stuff so fast. I can't remember if the previous stream rewards had a bunch of similar reactions and just kind of like drifted into the sand. I don't think so.

I feel like this is like, I feel like we're in an unprecedented era of farming. Of like, of like, none of this stuff felt that serious. But then, like, every day I go on Twitter and there's somebody else trying to kind of farm some sort of drama that may have happened for additional content. It's like the value of oil and Mad Max. Everything's like, it's interesting just because, like, the earlier stream rewards was pre the IRL era. Because, like, now we're in the IRL streaming era.

And that's got to be, like, very weird to navigate, especially for like an event because, You have, IRL was the abnormal, like, it was like, just chatting gaming and the early days of Twitch, IRL was like Ice Poseid and like Pokemon Go, like, streamers and shit like that. Burger Planet. I feel like part of it is like streamer backpacks and stuff becoming reliable tech. Yeah, that's true. But, you know, it's like I've gone to a few cutest events and I always appreciate like being invited. But it is interesting to see that evolution of like. An outside, like, anthropologist.

Yeah, well, just like how I've mentioned this before, where if you were at an event with a bunch of IRL streamers, it feels like you're in a stealth game and you're, like, trying to dodge the, like, vision cones of, like, everyone's cameras. Huh, must have been the wind. And then the guard walks in their same pattern again. Or even, like, I went to a friend's, uh,

my friend Jalan had a little, like, Friendsgiving slash early Christmas type party, the white elephant thing. and that was streamed on her channel but there were a few times because it was but it was mostly like B-roll and then like the camera would she would talk to the camera and stuff

but like we were like eating dinner and I was sitting next to Emma Langevin and she was like oh are we on the stream right now? And I'm like I'm like yeah that is so real because like you just don't I don't know.

And it's like we weren't being miced or anything like that. I think there's like a sixth sense that I think when you IRL stream all the time just kind of goes away and you don't become self-conscious of being on camera in the same way. But like, it takes me long enough to get used to I'm on camera sat down. The idea that every like step I take and every arm movement I'm doing has the risk of being commented on as like, this guy doesn't know what to do with his hands. look at the way this guy walks nice hat it's it's interesting like i feel like we have a very different perspective of like the average goer to events like this because like stream awards um you know there were like we know cutie and uh even the production company that was helping

put on the show like real good touring was helping this year and like we've worked with them in the past and so we know that or they've worked and they do like you know jack septicies charity event uh during christmas um and all these things so i felt i'm like the most biased person in the world when it comes to some of this uh just because i know that everybody's working really hard yeah you know and um with a with a parents at the recital you know just like i hope this goes good yeah the um and it was also interesting because there were uh there were more youtube and um twitch representatives at the stream rewards than there had been in previous years that i remember Because I immediately ran into my YouTube partner manager and my Twitch partner manager.

Suspicious. Which is funny because that I have a Twitch partner manager because I don't really stream on Twitch. Just to check in. Yeah. It's like there was a time, though. And people remember the Darmand bingo days. And I get lots of DMs about bringing that back. But with my current being tired all the time and executive function issues.

And the current Darmann being a person. I do have a idea for how to bring back bingo. but we'll see. I am starting to get these, and we'll get back on topic at a second, I am getting these, your VOD is, or your video is removed from YouTube

or it's unviewable on YouTube from the Jarvis Johnson Live channel, and it'll be a Vod from 2022. It took them a while to figure it out. Yeah, yeah, because I watch, like, factor fiction. And they, you know, they've always, people don't know this. YouTube, obviously, is manually reviewing everything.

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So order yours in time for the holidays ASAP and support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply. Thanks to aura frames for sponsoring this episode. Now back to the episode. The general run of show felt very like normal award show fair. I feel like it you've got like cuties doing cutie's been doing stand up cutie's doing the like award show host roast everybody a little bit opening up with a couple of we got Robert De Niro here yeah more like can you pass me some fucking De Niro brother no you don't want to give me any

money like you could tell that that was the that's what was going on but I feel like maybe there is some disconnect in like the clientele, the personnel, in like expectations, you know, ribbing people. Some people may have actually been more offended or may have taken things a little seriously. We've reached the point where Twitch is so big and this happens to every, this happened to YouTube decades ago where it becomes larger than one community. Yeah. It becomes like a bunch of fact splintered factions and uh i know that like i am aware of like this like little pie like this little piece of the pie with twitch but then i'm complete i didn't know about p the peanut vtuber guy i'd see i'd seen uh screenshots of peanut vtuber guy that i thought maybe was just a meme or

something it because when would i go from having seen it a bit to being aware of what it is partially because I'm not like a I'm not a Twitch explorer I'm a basically just I mostly just watch my friends it's going to my friend chat and try and get banned that's like mainly that's what you do I lurk I I lurk in people's chats

or if I haven't seen Nondre in a while I'll try I'll drop in and like drop some gift subs and be like this is the way I navigate friendship I wonder what Nandre's up to and he's like hanging upside down from the Eiffel Tower while playing like a milk steak but food poisoning stream but I got a one place we can start because there's a lot of stuff that went down there were there were some

there's some reactions that people had there's in the show the show had a conier moment that's true which was pretty wild but everyone was a little bit confused which whiffed also wifted really bad because no one knew what was going on and it was in a downtime where people were kind of just like looking at their phones yeah i assumed it was someone we can talk about i assumed it was someone getting up to be like um hey everybody there is a Hyundai sonata yeah i thought it was going to be like I think that my streamer should have won the award. Anyway, our next presenter, yeah, but let's start with QD actually responded to some of the, some of the backlash, and we can kind of talk about what she's addressing.

The biggest thing I have to say is I learned so much this year, genuinely, every single year I learned so, so much. I have so many good ideas for next year. I'm doing a very hard pivot. I'm changing a lot of things next year. I learned so much this year. I'm so motivated. Like I think like obviously I've seen it all.

I've seen it all. But I just like I just want to say so much this community. Thank you so much for like trusting me with this event because I promise you with my whole heart that like next year is going to be better. I really, really know I've figured it out for next year. Mama didn't raise no quitter Next year is going to be a movie I promise

This would be a really good copy pastor For anything As I was just like I don't like her haircut You're like I've learned a lot I've been I have so many ideas

What do you think is the She's saying she's like seen everything right? Yeah What is the consensus If we were to guess Of what She is talking about

I don't know I mean There's some technical trouble And that's like Yeah yeah There's some big, I think the biggest controversies are kind of like blowing random stuff up out of nothing because it's like cross community drama. I feel like it's like snubbing's of certain awards. Oh, I can't believe you included this person or even that peanut guy.

I noticed there was some like drama within the V-tuber community. He's not considered a V-tuber or doesn't consider himself a V-tuber. I don't know. It's just like every. Well, it's not a country song kind of thing. It's like every, there's like a little iceberg of like community. stuff within each category and that's why it's so difficult to do any sort of overarching award show because everyone's going to be snubbed for every one of these categories like there's

got to be like a million bagillion people well yeah too it's it's like if the Oscars was just the art awards and it was like this painting versus this album versus this movie set that phase adapt won best breakout streamer uh over some of the other like Streamers, but the thing is, like, oh, Adapt has been around for a long time, but it's like, well, he was in phase doing, like, trick shots when he was young. He wasn't, like, a streamer, and so he, like, broke out as a streamer this year, which up the stream rewards. That's, like, what it's about.

There's also the ticketed audience is, like, above the head area, so sometimes there was just a bunch of yelling from there, which was a little confusing, I think, with people, plenty of issues all over, a bit more chaotic than I remember the other one I went to being, but it was a little while ago. The thing that sticks, because there's a lot of just, I mean, what do you learn from a random thing that happened, right? But look out for random things happening. I think maybe the thing was just not getting a lot of laughs. There was, that was. I think that there's a certain, I wonder if people have a, um, there's a certain like having a humor about yourself. Mm-hmm. thing that I wonder if people are like taking themselves so seriously and they're all you

mentioned it yesterday when we were talking about it but it's like people at the Oscars aren't currently filming a movie that's yeah well that's the thing it's like if Robert Downey Jr. is there Ian and Iron Man soon I do wonder about that like so much of stream is like looking cool and on farming and an aura and like doing the cool thing and being the protagonist you get the laugh yeah yeah it's not you You don't laugh for someone. It feels like it might create a less generous room in terms of like jokes and stuff like that. And getting roasted is like, hey, my brand.

Yeah, because it's also like every cringe moment, it reads different if the other person's like playing along. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because you know that being invited to the award show someone's not trying to make a fool of you. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't know that because this is the first award show you've been to or you're not thinking about this in terms of award show, you're thinking about this as a big stream event.

Takes two to like tango as soon as, like a high five is not cringe unless the other person doesn't meet it. That's exactly what it is. Like, oh, I thought we would all kind of agree. Okay. And I wonder, and then it's also I've seen people write about how a lot of Twitch right now is like rewarding bad behavior. And so like the streamer awards are kind of just a lightning rod for a lot of those things in the same place. Yeah. Um, I mean, like, man, streets are fucking weird. It is a very weird people.

Well, no, I just think it's like a, it's like, everything about it is, is strange. So it's like what, like, about like being online. And I think that there's something that I very much benefit from being a YouTuber. and being a casual occasional streamer where I can tap in and tap out, like, at will. Yes. Whereas, like, I get to live my regular life. But with Twitch, there's so much, like, always on.

And there's so much, like, reading the chat, so much having to be, like, locked into what the audience is experiencing right this second. If I, yeah, if I, like, I've been playing, like, a little bit of Arc Raiders. Because it's all, you know, in the zeitgeist or whatever. Yeah. But I'm bad at it. And when I, I'm solo queuing and I just get killed, I kind of lean back and I'm like, what a wicked game we play, as opposed to getting killed and being like, my ego!

Yeah. My fucking gear, no! You like, it's like the people in the like League of Legends chat who like start flaming. Yeah. Or like, I see, like, I see, like, Drew Levin from Riot on, in, in Twitter replies of people who got banned for being. toxic and then him having to explain that like they can't say slurs and I'm like that's so crazy this episode of sad boys is sponsored by uncommon goods the countdown is on holiday season is officially here so now's the time to cross names off your list uncommon goods takes the stress out of

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because these are human beings that are doing a insane in-character performance for, what, like six plus hours every day? Like, if you went into an office nine to five each day, except every time you're in the office, you had to do, like, you'd dress up like the Joker. And like, you want to know how I got these guys in front of everyone?

You'd probably go crazy. And, you know, man, if we record a lot back to back, I'd start to go a little bit, El Yoker. I was going to see if I could find in my bookmark, because it's like so much of the drama moves so quickly that. Especially if it's kind of bad for you. That I'm like, because some of the things even like, there was a drama with like Rekai and who's like a young, he's like 17.

years old and got banned, I don't know the full context, but he got banned for stealing some flowers or something like that and then QD made a joke about the stealing thing. And

optically in the moment even we're like, oh, I must not have the context here because this is, like this might just read to people like a joke about a black kid stealing but then he got banned for stealing. So you see what the intention was, but also why people responded the way they did.

But then there's like overreacting. Yeah. And like kind of implying this like very malicious intent. Which is like for much better posting because we're kind of sat there and I'm like maybe I miss heard it. What? What's going on? Huh? Whereas if I wanted to like get some get some likes, I would post like yikes. Did she just say what I think she said? I don't want to show this original clip of him kind of going off because he like just says some very shitty things uh about her and he's clearly taking it very seriously and he's young and then also his his response here resulted in twitch extending his band and allegedly him getting grounded or something because he's like 17 he lost his Xbox but i also want to say that like we've seen this with

speed where like you can be rough around the edges as a kid and like get feedback for it and like learn and grow into a more you know positive figure it's insane that you you you are being published at 17 that's I know it's insane and so it's like I act you know it's like as much as I do it's frustrating to see like him be enabled in this way by his community it's still like he's you know so young so I you know hope that he has like the right people in his corner but it's also that can put you in an arrested development position exactly yeah if you don't get if you're only in an echo chamber of the least well-adjusted people ever that's that's the concern but it's also like uh don't call somebody a bitch yeah just like just don't do that just like just like take that out of the

options so you'll get grounded uh yeah and it's like if you don't get grounded it's like people will think less of you they will you know it'll impact and it's like and it should It shouldn't even just be about what happens to you if you do the bad thing. It should be about how you make people feel and you shouldn't be doing things just because of the reaction. You should be doing these just because of the consequences. Yeah. Part of the consequences should be, oh, I'm going to make someone feel bad so I don't want to do that.

But then also in those, like, videos I saw, like, how seriously he was taking it in it. Was he under the impression that she was doing a race stroke? From what I could tell, there's more to the story of his ban. And it, like, allegedly his assistant was supposed to pay for the first. flowers or something like that and it just like and i don't know fuck dave keep over you know what i mean i'm like i'm not that there's just too much it's all it's all hearsay to me but at the end of the day uh it's like understandable why uh there is there is backlash you also understand the intent and and the reaction obviously was a little bit of an overreaction but like that's the kind of stuff

where it's like it's all moving so fast that i don't even want to like kind of over index on this like one little, this one little moment. I mean, that's the, I don't want to be a pessimist, I guess, or, or limit any ambitions or whatever. But I remember when e-sports was initially becoming like really, really prevalent, like popping up when Overwatch League became kind of an institution and they took to that money into that very specific stater. Money into an incinerator.

And that all went, you know, smooth. But I feel like that was the apex of everyone kind of. aligning on what the aesthetic of e-sports was going to be. Like, obviously it had been very present prior, but I remember that specific moment happening and then people talking about worlds and people talking about league. And I remember everybody kind of coming in the consensus

of like, okay, so we're doing jerseys. We're doing that. We're making it like sports, sports, right? That's what we're all going for. And I remember a bunch of people kind of pushing back and being like, why are we self-conscious about the visuals of like a gaming type thing?

Why are we moving away from that? Why is everyone so we need to make this as legitimate as possible, so we'll give them like sports jerseys and, you know, so and so. I think a lot of that was from kind of gatekeeping crowds of like sports ball. I don't like sports ball. Sorry, are you going to need the aerodynamics of a jersey when you're sitting in a gamer chair? I just, I hope the teams both have a good time, like that kind of posting. But I was reminded of that while we were at the show because I'm like, it might be possible. that this industry

can't do suit and tie and eat fancy dinner I think that particular kind of graphic design that particular kind of music the pacing of the event it's all a little like lapping as the Academy Awards in a place in the same way

that I don't think you could do the Academy Awards with subway surfers in half of the frame or in vertical or some people would really dig it but like I think a hold of it I was watching it I was just like a lot of the things that are going wrong here

a lot of things that are struggling with are staples of award shows so it's like people aren't sitting in their assigned seat so we keep getting shots of the wrong people and like you're right but you're also trying to wrangle dogs you're like why aren't the dogs

driving right they can't do that they can't sit still they can't go to the right They don't read. Why would they be able to figure that out? They're just, why these kindergarten is running around? What the hell? They're not listening.

Yeah, man. You have to preempt it. It's interesting. Maybe if it was only like agents and managers of streamers and they are like used to sitting and listening or something. No, it's a weird, like I don't know how you corral all these people. Fencing. Because I have to imagine that everybody's just got the stream up on their phone and

they're looking at chat or like we can even see chat on the on the monitors you know that funnily enough that exact moment when the chat started like streaming at hyperspeed that was the moment where I went like oh ketchup and candy oh this is this is ice cream with with the wrong seasoning this is this is a dill pickle uh taffy I'm like oh man the the bright colors and rapid pace of that chat along with the like slow elegant strides of the people all dressed up going on the stage and saying like, this thing is an X and a Y, and that's why these people are nominated today. It was like, my brain couldn't process both things happening in chorus.

Sure. And it was like off key. And I don't want to like limit anything. I don't know because I'm not a like a IRL streamer, but I wonder what it's like when you are so used to monitoring the chat. And then you're at an event where you're doing that as well. And so then does that impact your behavior? It's probably like having jet lag where your body's telling you you should be doing one thing, but you're like, wait, this doesn't add up.

I feel like people are probably getting like phantom limbs and they're like trying to look into a camera. Yeah. The VMAs back in the day, I don't know if they still do this because I haven't watched it a long time. They were kind of marketed as this like looser, like you don't know what could have. happen anything it's wild here i do feel like it's more of a vmase than a academy awards just by virtue of that type of like it's like a little looser a little goosier yeah it the conier thing happened at the vmase not the oscars because they probably had snipers in the rafting blows what can no but there was a there was a um a conier moment but even that everyone was it was like during a break time

when everyone's, like, going to the bathroom and, like, somewhat disengaged, like, eating a snack or whatever. If they had gotten up, if this took, if this happened in, like, 2014, they would have said, I'm going to let you finish. Yeah. But that is, it was so long ago that my brain didn't even tie the idea of someone getting up and correcting an award. I went like, oh, right. Yeah. I get, oh, that's what's happening. It's funny because that woman was sitting behind us the entire show.

Oh, really? Yeah. Were they a stream? I believe they're in the like DDG community. Oh, okay. Who was the award they were correcting or something? Can we find the clip? Yeah.

Because even now in retrospect, what the fuck happened? It's so, it was so confusing. Imagine if you were like Taylor Swift? What? Who was it? I just have to say it like, it looks great. It looks fucking sick. No, it looks so good.

And it's, it was at like, you know, the historic Will Turn theater. And so I think that, There's like, I feel like we're only, we only experienced half of the show because we experienced the in-person versus like what it was like for sweeping cameras and for the chat. Like there's a lot, like just thinking about the production element of that. There's got to be so much. Hello, hello. Real quick, y'all. I know a breakout streamer of the weird went to breakout streamer of the year went to adapt.

And congratulations. And we respect you for what you did. but Rekai should have won Breakout streamer out of year and DDG I don't care what y'all say Shout out Rukai, shout out Blu-Bah Bha-Bah Bha-Bah-Bah! Got to go

That's such a long shot That's really funny It was so it was so confusing Because when she got off Everyone thought it was like a part of the show For a second and then you saw like a bunch of security people like escorting her out.

Yeah, it was like literally, it was a break, right? It was during a break. I assumed they just weren't even still like a commercial break. I actually, kudos to the production for like locking in because they thought that maybe they were in the wrong. It looked like a, it looked so much like an award. She was strolled up in that exact way.

Mike was the right height. He leaned in and then did all of that. I'm like, oh, this is a funny bit. Is she going to say like, Um, it should have gone to, um, Oscar Isaac. He's not a streamer, that's the joke. Anyway, um, Hesan truck is dark. Breakout streamer, uh, Paramount Plus.

What is the fan fan? The fan, fan, the fan clip is about a different thing. The fan, oh, no, sorry, not the dog. I'm, I'm talking about the fan fan fan. Oh, the fan thing, got it. We can watch that. I remember in the moment it was happening, me and Eddie just got back from the bathroom.

Huh. We were comparing penises. And we sat down and, I don't know if we'd seen the initial setup only that Fanfan had like walked over and was doing the floor routine stuff and doing a good job of it she's navigating it relatively well but again a lot of stuff's not landing because of the right because she's doing the like her style of humor and like if you don't know who she is then it like might come up I just think it comes back to me as like a like a generosity thing because if I'm on a show and like I'm playing because it's like you know, you're doing, like, a bit, I'm, like, going to be trying to, like, give them what they're looking for or play along. Yeah, because it's more fun for, including you, it's more comfortable. Yeah, it shows that you can have humor about yourself, et cetera, et cetera.

If I go on, like, uh, like D-Tunes ghost stream, I've never been a supernatural believer at all, but when I do it, I'm like, yeah, I'll try. Sure. I'll put on the machine. I'll chat to the ghost. I'll laugh about it, but it's genuinely fun because I looked in, but like, I guess when, yeah, you're in protagonist mode. You can't laugh at something that doesn't align with you because it's your, you're the, you're the doer.

Well, that's the, that's the thing. It's like, I feel like, well, do I look good here? It's a thing that reminds me of improv class when, you know, people would try to be the funny one in the scene, and it's like not what the scene needs. Yeah. And, and I'm not asking the, you know, every streamer to be an expert improviser, but you can just tell that the priority is like, I need to look good. Yes. You know? Could you explain your inspiration for your outfit tonight? It looks familiar for some reason to me.

Why would it be familiar to you? I don't understand. I mean, I got it in China, but yeah. Maybe because I'm Chinese. Maybe that's why. It just looks familiar. I mean, it's like... I mean, I only remember this because I was like doing this to Eddie.

It's like, the thing is, though... The thing is, it's like the intention is there. This is an in-person, upstream, not to be the friend that's not woken of, but it is very much like a, maybe it whiffs, but this is not worthy of like, you wouldn't go, I'm like, oh my God. Yeah. What was making me laugh so much was like, what are you doing? Wait, wait, hold on, I was just, it made me very happy.

So I suppose a net positive. It didn't feel like some of the other interactions where it felt like, uh, someone's, like, trying to get one over on you. Yeah, it was, it was just such a, I don't know, this one only stuck in my brain because I was so, maybe I was also bewildered because I always gone back and like, what the hell was going on? I didn't realize that she said it looks familiar to me. I'm like, Hassan sort of picked up the joke she was trying to make. Is it, am I insane? Is it the joke?

What is the joke? He's wearing a Chinese suit. It is that, right? He's wearing... He was making, too? Yeah. Because the thing is, it's like a... He's wearing a chairman mouse.

Chairman Mao wore that exact suit. What I thought was going on. And then, okay, here's what it felt like happened. Knock knock. Who's there? Nope. Like, he went like, hey, knock, knock. And he went, uh, hey, who's there?

And she went like, who's there? Because I'm Chinese. Oh, no. I actually, I thought that Hassan actually did the nope because he said he didn't pick up on why would it look familiar to you he said he said who's there way late yeah it was like but then she said that like i felt like she was teeing him up because oh because you're

chinese i said she's like oh my god yeah kind of one of those that's what it felt like she was teeing up that looks familiar to me yeah name something that gets hard when something sexy uh my penis oh my god he said my i can't believe he said that there was also this moment where she was talking to Kaisanaat and doing crowd work with him. Oh, really? And then I actually don't know who this other guy is

that sort of like got the mic from her, but... I do what I say, though. Fan, fan, very impressive stamina. Was like shaking each interaction off, starting things fresh? This is like... I would crack.

You cannot pay me to do this. No, I would... It is like so... You are walking into the lion's den. It's like doing crowd work. where every one in the crowd thinks they're funnier and more important than you. It's all reactive dogs. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I do. We have to start referring to stream versus dogs. Sorry, beast animals. I'm like, we're going to get in trouble. I don't know. Like, okay, like a sickening subhuman scum. Is that better?

Unlike us, the elevated podcast. Right, the elevated podcast. You need, like, I don't know who is writing these jokes, but I'm like, you need to establish. streamer university it's being called the least educational you know what i mean like yeah something you need to you need to build up it's like it's like so many of these jokes are assuming the setup has already been made there is a 100% chance that not everyone is going to understand when you are referencing it cannot be the it's not like referencing like midsummer or like it's or like the avengers you're like hey look at this guy it's bongo 15 remember the bungo 15

did in Overwatch in August of this year? Yeah, I feel like just with the walking the floor thing, like I think Austin Show's done that job before. That's right, yeah. And I do feel like a lot of the people he was going up to, he might have like had a relationship with

or people like, no. And so I feel like FanFa was given like an impossible job where I don't think she wrote all of these jokes. A lot of the jokes I kind of assume that you know the setup of the joke or the context or the background. And it's like, I just feel bad.

I feel bad for her because like it's, I don't think it's anyone's, I think the thing is that you have to assume that everyone has the best intentions, like who's putting together the show. Yeah. Because they went out of their way to like try to get all these people like in the room together. You know, it's like, and I know that there's like a lot of hoops to jump through to get that happen. I know for the Rakhai thing, he was like banned on Twitch.

So QDy had to like go to Twitch and get a. permission to, because you can't show a band person on a Twitch stream. So it's like, I know that like in getting these people there, it wasn't like meant to embarrass them. I think that that's a very cynical way to like look at it. Maybe this is just like a broad sweeping statement, but I just feel like people are so like self-serious. Yeah.

Well, and they're on. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's, uh, it's like they're protecting. It feels like their brand is being challenged and they're having to protect themselves, you know? And the audience buying tickets are probably pretty. team sportsy a little. I mean, if you're really active Twitchwatcher,

you have your favorites and you definitely have the ones you don't like. Yeah. And so they'll be popping for, it's like if it was like an audience of Reddit it. Right. It's not going to, no one's going to be like, huh, yes, good, good.

I'm going to be like, that sucked. I'm going to kill you today. Yeah, it's hard to like thread the needle when the streamers like want to be the protagonist and look like the funniest person in the room or the best person in the room at all times. Because I feel like people are taking, things way too seriously.

But then I think that like that's just clip farming. Definitely. You know what I mean? Where it's like, oh, I can, exactly. And it's like I can make this bigger than it is because it creates drama, which now draws eyeballs. Yeah, if we make a comparison between a normal award show, there's like an implied separation between the people talking about the event and following event

and the people featured in the event. There's like, no one is contacting Quentin Tarantino about, like, the, like, he's not seeing the clips of him, like, oh, gosh, oh, this shot was made, dude. It's, like, very, oh, not to mention the fact that, like, Conan isn't running it. He is hired to do that portion of it. I couldn't tell you who the hell runs the Oscars. Yeah, I also, it's a streamed event that, like, all. Already we've seen this from Twitch people, it feels like it's one of the leading industries of clipping something without its full context or clipping something that like presents

something in a bad light simply to farm engagement. I can't even imagine what else you would like, that seems like the whole thing, right? No, but like I just think about like Dexterot and shit, well, they like post like extra Emily did this and stuff. And like that, like when that is so much of the attention economy around streamers is that, then it is impossible to run a show that doesn't result in people like it's like if you're like oh i need to find hasan saying something without the context find kaisen out saying something about the context whatever whatever find awkward something that's awkward and then you've seen the stream and you

know that it's not that awkward or it's not that serious or it's not that whatever but but then now you've kind of isolated everybody to this like uh you know live stream fails or or this like X-O-Post or something. And then that gets you the eyeballs on X. It just feels like it breeds this like negativity that is the negativity economy, you know? And it is a kind of impossible to win situation regardless of how the show is run.

I think you mentioned it a minute ago that when we started talking about it, like we're in an air of like harvesting or something a little more. It's not as, not only not as generous, but like, I don't know. I don't think I went for like the Supreme Awards like two or three years ago. And don't get me wrong, like, the world's bitter mess.

It's not exactly, you know, like crispy clean now. But Twitter was not called X. And I think that like there is very specific pivot in time where it did become like conflict is so much more present now in a way that I don't think people appreciate because it happened kind of quietly. Yeah. Weirdly subtle, but now it's hard to remember a point in time where you'd even try and find something non-confrontational. Also, the streamers now exist in this world that knows that there's a huge economy of clipping them out of context, et cetera. So that might even be weird. Yeah, I know.

It's like that might even be more contributing to like not wanting to be generous in the moment or like maybe being like on the defense because you feel like something is presented in a way that's like supposed to get you. God, I don't know if I could, that idea specifically, like the, that feels like the dream of being on stage at school with no pants on, but permanently, like, you're always, like, ready to get embarrassed or like, whoa. Yeah, I don't know. It's like, it's a, being live and thinking about every sentence I say and then got, like, some part of my brain, we're like, oh. Yeah, so streamers are the bravest among us. They're working the hardest job. That's why it's live. They're first responding.

Right, they're first responding to content Us, we're more considered wise Wise, no, but also soy Lame, not exciting No one's clipping us for drama And But yeah, it was a fun time It was nice, the food was really good

Oh, that cheesecake was really good Oh, the cheesecake is really good Shoutout Kitty, I know it's like an extreme labor It's also a thing that like cutie puts on these events and I'm like you don't have to do this but it's like that's like her thing labor of love for sure yeah so it's like it's interesting to see it come together and also the like optimism she has given the like people having these negative reactions or clipping these and stuff it's like it's it's like I'm glad you're doing what you do because I can't I can't do that I'm sure

some of it is definitely like palace is built up from regular streaming yeah yeah yeah And she does a lot of cooking streams and is really good at it. That's true. What was that birthday cake? She made one time for- She made a birthday cake for Sam. What was it? It was like a character and then it was we ate a bunch of its face.

We ate it. Yeah. Sonic? Was it Sonic? It might have been Sonic's face. Was it Sam's birthday? It was the house that Sam has had birthday parties at. Yeah.

I do remember QD coming over for. It wasn't. Yeah. That was crazy. That was the most visceral experience of everyone was just eating a cake at the same time. It looked like a... Like a horror. The rage virus.

You know a very specific thing? Kind of like a tree of life moment where I photo or whatever will. I always be like, remember this? I hate that. Remember when you were in a loving relationship and now you're alone? That's me. I have that like, I would say where the house was, but that region of place. Let's, uh, Oakland.

Anytime I'm in Oakland, it's like, remember Oakland? Yeah. Remember Oakland? Here's the first photo you took or whatever. one of the one that always comes up is the sonic cake with half its face torn away and so I'm scrolling through them like memory oh my god oh my guy yeah Jesus

stop showing that to me are you okay uh all right we got some other stuff to get to speaking of AI uh you can't Anastasia style's like right yeah the um really just speaking of and then the topic that we weren't speaking up we could just see speaking up and then you dub it in

being up AI Sam Altman was on Jimmy Fallon The King Which is like The Kings The Clash of the Titans Jimmy Fallon is such an uncritical host Like

Petin Trump's hair It's so annoying I used to really like the late night His like late night Yeah When he was on late night But I just It's so annoying

Like is there I just saw this clip of him With Sam Altman Can we pull that up? I don't Sam Alwin CEO and founder of Open AI Which is not very open

but is very AI. It used to be a nonprofit. It's very AI, for sure. I am just so incredibly happy. Is he into trucks? Yeah, he loves trucks. We have to spend a lot of time watching the garbage truck and plays around.

He does love trucks. He loves garbage trucks, too? Cars, anything. We watched the, like, F1 season finale this week, and it was first time he got to watch TV, and he was like... Really? Yeah. He's thrilled.

And do you use chat GPT when raising your baby? I feel it's appropriate to... I think anything we say about Valne Ever is punching up, is punching up because of the success that he has found. But there is something so strange to me about the way that he conducts himself. It never matches the thing they say, ever. It's always like, yeah, I'm excited about my new movie. Yeah.

Why? And do you use chat GPT when raising your baby? I do. I mean, I feel kind of bad about it because we have this like, oh, so close. level at everything, intelligence, sitting there, like, waiting to unravel the mysteries of humanity. And I'm like, why does my kid stop dropping his pizza on the floor and laughing? Yeah.

You know? And so I feel like I'm not asking a good enough question, but it is, I don't. Wait, why? Sorry, I'm stuck on the question he asked chat deputy. Why does my kid stop dropping? I think he misspoke. I think he means why won't my kids stop? Oh. He's not used to this sort of thing. Also lying.

You know what I also love how he's like, yeah, we just have this genius at everything just sitting in their pockets. We can't lock the mysteries of humanity. No, you can't. I've got this like freaking thing I made that's going to cure everything so I don't look too much in the details of it and the funding is actually needed. But then I'm asking him like, what the hell is Paul Patrol? And then it doesn't know the answer. So it must not be a genius at everything. That's a fantastic question, Sam.

Wow. Oh my God. You should indulge in your delusions. You should indulge, please. I cannot imagine having gone through, like, figuring out how to raise a newborn without Chachiti. Clearly, people did it for a long time. No problem. Yes.

I know. That one makes sense. He's like, he's like, yeah. Yeah, people did do it for a long time. And you can't imagine it. You were it. You can't even imagine it despite being a child. Dada, did you ask Chachutee D, did you why I draw pizza?

I don't know why I keep doing this. But I have relied on it so much. I mean, it's obviously, like, the most important thing to happen to my life. So it's top of mind, and I use it all the time. But, like, I was... Wait. Hold on. I thought he was talking for this newborn, but actually he was talking about...

His other baby. Like, if I had a kid, and we weren't even talking about them, and I referred to anything as the greatest thing that's ever happened to me or the most important thing to me, I would go like, I probably sounds weird because I have a kid. If I was having any conversation about my child, And I said, like, yeah, dude, I love my kid. It's one incredible day.

I mean, the thing I'm most proud of is the Sadboys podcast, for sure. But my kid is, I got to imagine raising it. He's so good at dropping pizza on the floor. It's kind of pissing me off, actually. Yeah. It's the one thing Chad GBT can't do. Can't fix. I need to build a human frame for this Chad DBT so he can stop.

He can grab my kid's arm and say, no, no. It's funny if he had to be like, wow, I guess I just needed to ask a better question. Like, whoa, okay. So it's not working? I mean, if you ask the question with the answer in it, I guess it'll, yeah. Wait a second, is it a newborn or can it hold pizza? Good point. Yeah, it's dropping it because you're trying to get to see infant pizza.

Why does my newborn keep, why does its head keep rolling back when I don't support it? Yeah, when I don't support it. I'm trying to support the most important thing in my life, my laptop. Eating it against the same. What if he doesn't actually have a human child? Yeah, why he's talking about his laptop? Yeah. A couple of months ago, I was at a part.

I was talking this guy, and we had kids about the same age, so we were talking about that. And he was like, oh, you know, what's your kid doing? Normal conversation. And he's like, yeah, these, you know, six months old, once they start crawling, it's everywhere. They go everywhere. And I was like, my six-month-old can't recall you.

And he was like, sure, like, you know, maybe you're sure about that, you think he's okay? And I was like, Mike. I was like, well, I think he's, like, about to start. I'm sure he's doing fine. And by the way, I bet my kid can do a lot of things yours can't, so it's all right, all right, bro.

It's very generous to give him a laugh. That was good. That saved him. By the way, my kid can do a lot of things yours can't. He also just referred to his child as it for like a second ago. He's clearly having trouble discerning between his two children. It goes everywhere. Yeah, it goes everywhere.

My child can do way more than yours. You can ask it to create a to-do list out of a series of random tasks you've set up. You can Google, sorry, you can look for things with it. But then I like ran to the bathroom and I was like, do I need to take my kid to like the doctor's morning, is this okay? Should every could be able to walk at six by the other one? Yeah, crawl. And...

Whoa! Whoa! Oh! Perfect praise. That was... That is like... That has the same energy as when Tucker Carlson accused him of killing a man.

We talked about that on Sad Boys' Nights a few months ago, I think. I immediately thought of Logan, Paul Gong. Roving. Roving. Roving. Blaine. Roving. It was a foul.

He's very agile when it comes to shifting the tone with the right reaction face or something because that was very nearly just a really unpleasant moment. Yeah, look at Jimmy's face. Because he could have just gone like, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Not my bad. And like clearly he just misspoke. It's like bitch he just called

this your child and it a second ago. Didn't correct you there. And, and, I mean, yours can't. No, no, my, you know, mine walked in some, yeah. But, uh... Mine was on Dancing with the Stars at seven months. There we go. Semi-finalist, no big deal.

But it was a really, I got this, like, great answer back, which was, like, of course it's normal. Of course, you don't need to go to the doctor. You know, parents do all these sorts of things. And by the way, and it's personalized, like Chachapiti gets to know you. And, you know, by the way, you're the CEO of Open AI. That's really funny.

That's really funny. Oh, my God. Hey, by the way, your CEO and your dick is huge and I think you look really cute today. Thank you, Chad DBD. Why would you say that? That's so kind. This is like when Elon, it was like,

yes, Elon would win the piss drinking contest. He told this story to a producer, and the producer punched it up, and then now he's sort of memorized it. Like, the way that these talk shows work, everything is, like, so pre-planned. Yeah, unless you're like a friend or something or you go on like there are some shows i think uh stephen colbert doesn't really

like to do the pre-planned stuff well we took them off the air so oh we did yeah we did yes defeated with the dark souls text it demon cleanse colbert um i think that like sam this is not he's not good at this it's crazy though because he has to do so much talking but the people I think he needs it to be just so like he's not a comedian he's not a performer

even when he said when Jimmy said yeah my kid was on dancing with the stars he goes there we go good stuff good stuff nice good work it's one of those people that are well-intentioned

but if you're joking around with them they hear with a that's so funny nice funny stuff roving Anyway, it was crawling. In other news. And I'm actually a great parent.

As the CEO of OpenA.I. I mean, he knows, I hope. He understands that it can't say something else. It is incapable of saying, well, you're not that smart. Like, you're not like that good. Also, who is this guy at the party who's like nagging him about his child? Oh, wow, your child can't fucking crawl? You should go to the fucking.

Emergency room. Is it okay? Is it okay? Now, next thing you're going to tell me is this has been dropping pizza all over the floor. Oh, that's bad. That's actually terminal. Very bad. That's it.

It's a terminal pizza dropped her. Why are you giving your nine-month-old a slice of pizza? That's what I'm trying to figure out. And it's nine months gestating. It's not even born yet. True. That's what he drops pizza. You just put it on the tummy.

It slides right out. Touch PD gets to know you. And, you know, by the way, you're the CEO of Open Air. you probably are around, like, all these high-achieving people. Maybe you don't want to, like, project that onto your kid, and you should just, like, relax and he'll be fine. And, you know, whatever. And I was like, oh, okay.

I've seen you in a couple of interviews, too, where you were saying people were asking about ChatGBT, and you're like, well, it's kind of interesting because rich people have these great, amazing doctors and lawyers and business managers, you know, whereas people that don't make enough as much money as these people, they don't get those opportunities. And what ChatGPT does, they have the same,

you can get the same answer. You're just typing in these questions. in these questions, you'll get the best. No, I think this is a cool thing about technology. I was like, it's also like Google search. You can say that about any tool. I feel like I'm going insane. Like, I know it's because we're, they're claiming it's elevated and like, it's, well,

no, because it compiles so much more information. Fairy dust, fairy dust, lies, lies. No one ever cites any question that isn't literally a search. Like, they're not even saying like, hey, how's it going? Serve this is a weird. They say it's a person you're talking, dude. Didn't need to ask Chad GBT that. You could have Googled it, and you would have gotten a human written article that says what

Chad GB is stealing from. You would have, all you need was like a modicum of due diligence to maybe scroll once and see if there's like a source that you think is reliable. Yeah. As opposed to this, which is no source. And you're like, well, they must have picked the best one. And you can ask Chad GBT for a source, but it's going to take a lot more time. And it's going to be like, okay, let me write it in prose.

Let me give you like a paragraph. Break it down. Like Jimmy mentions doctors and that rich people get access to better doctors. But with today's sponsor ZockDOP, sorry. Matt Weft, that's off. No, but I feel like if I were to ask

CHATGBT a medical question, I would get the wrong answer likely. Literally, like, first of all, what Jimmy's saying is basically the same argument of like, well, a lot of people can't do art and don't have access to art. Right. AI art helps everyone have access.

I'm like, no, that is the thing we've been able to anyone could ever do. Everyone can do it. Everyone could always do art. And I would rather go onto a like Cleveland Clinic, a website I trust to ask a medical question rather than just like searching general. It's funny that it's also, it's brushing up against like a essential. I can, I kind of understand probably why he's been saying that in other interviews because he basically brushed right up against the foundational problem with this.

country like yeah there's a basic imbalance between the rights and humanity of people based on their money and we're fixing that good and like and as you know a billionaire CEO with a company that's sapping funding and financial agility from the country I'm helping with that don't worry healthcare not possible can't do it well if you ask chat gpT or you even if you google something and fucking Gemini pops up. It will take shit straight from Reddit. It'll be like, no, you actually have cancer because of this. And it's a Reddit post about, hey, my dog has cancer.

What do I do about it or something? A short story. It's not getting yet. Do you think I should cut off my arm because I have like a pimple? And it's like, you're absolutely right. Dude, you're so. Yeah. Look, they'll never expect it.

Some people don't think that sounds crazy. But as one of the hosts of the Sad Boys podcast, I think you're at a lot of pretty smart. CEO of the Sad Boys Company. You're probably around a lot of high achieving. And it's like, no, you're probably around a lot of like. Be nice. Dufuses. Yeah.

She's right. There's also, I wanted to like, I was gonna pop in and say something regarding him, like, chat GBTing some stuff about his, like, they'd be like, hey, why, why is my kid doing this? Help me raise my kid, help up, help. But I, there's nothing to say about it, because the only thing it is is sad. It's literally, it is just upsetting.

And it's like, why do we think we need to be at a point where the only thing we can do is ask chat GPT? Yeah. Because like I won't, I won't say any names, but I know some people in my life who have like started talking to chat GPT about like, why do I feel this way? Like using it as a therapist and chat GPT will be like, well, it could be because of this. what are your thoughts and they're like oh wait maybe you are right and they go yeah i am here's why and i'm like and those people will send those to me and be like wow this really helped me and i'm like

please go seek a therapist please please please please he's to anything it's just it's so upsetting it's i think the framing as so much of the time i guess what he's been doing on his podcast circuit you're not going on shows called like the financial wisdomer i assume what they're pushing for is no this is look communities atomized you know we might not have access to a family or people that can help you and give you some information so we've got the second best thing as opposed to we've introduced arsenic into the poison like we've yeah there's no you have no access to community or support or a feeling of permanence and and familiarity with the people around you so what we've done is like built a bigger wall we've got a second thing that's keeping you from even developing a community and doesn't help you in the meantime. I also think he's fucking lying. Yeah, man. I think like... This bro isn't using chat GPT. That's insane.

He doesn't work. He's using it, but like in a way where it's like, let me call my one million dollar a second doctor. And then I'll ask the same question to chat GPT for fun. Don't, why? So that I can tell a story on the internet. I just also, I don't know. It's very Reddit lie because it all it has so many of the details that, you know, I'm sure you embellish a story or whatever. But like, I ran to the bathroom. I'm like, why? What are you talking about?

You don't go to normal people stuff. You have to use chat TVT in the bathroom? Yeah, because it's so embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. It's a shame. It is a sort of equalizing force in many ways. You know, I remember people used to say this when the iPhone came out. Yeah.

The $9 billion iPhone. What are you talking? Who said this when the iPhone came out? The people, it was the middle class and billionaires. We're like, whoa, we have the same phone. Dude, we're all the same now. That's so crazy. And then everybody else was like, sorry, the iPhone is $9,000.

Yeah, I remember being like, I will, I can never afford an iPhone, which is not true. I have one now, but like. Look at that. Equalizing. That's the first one. It's huge. Look, you and me two completely different people from different walks of life, same iPhone that we share. We high fived.

So loud. Audio listeners, we high fived. And it was really good. And Anastasia thanked me afterwards. Thank you for touching my hand in brief. Like an equalizing force, like the Tesla or going to space. Equalizing force, like being the CEO. Yeah, but I invented that.

There are people who struggle to pay for the internet because it's so expensive and monopolies have, well, companies have monopolies on your neighborhood. So you have to go with certain companies, right? Mm-hmm. I just want to point that out. Yeah. If I could have, if only my family could have afforded,

DJ Mustard when I was a kid to produce an album with me. Then I would have kept singing. But fortunately, we just didn't have the money to... Mustard on the video. Become music. That's why you sooner. Oh. Well, we don't have time to dive into that.

Jacob just thumbs up the video. All right. The first in the world got the same piece of hardware that was, you know, billions of other people got. And I think AI is pushing in the same direction. It's funny. Sorry, using that example is funny because, like, the richest, most powerful people in the world include, like, the CEO of Apple who has probably access to a different cooler phone. It's rocket-powered.

It'll take some work to ensure it goes in this way, but it should be, like, a good force for society. So, it should be. It will take some work. Whoa. Sorry. Go ahead, Jacob. I just want to point out that Jimmy Fallon is asking a question that I've never seen him. It's, like, more intellectually curious than I.

This might be a set up for a pre-planned thing, though. Just keep that mind. What are the cons? No cons. Oh, this absolutely is cleared by his team. Works too hard, probably. What about Chat Chiquet? Now, what is the cons?

What are we worried about? What are the things that people don't like about? Oh. I mean, some stuff. A long list of things. But one of the things that I'm worried about is just the rate of change that's happening in the world right now. Yeah, yeah. You know, this is a three-year-old technology.

No other technology has ever been adopted, adopted by the world this fast. That's not true, though. It is a truly general purpose thing. The same thing that can figure out how to go through a bunch of diseases. He's like, it's the problem is it's too good in power. It looks too hot. It's too sexy. Is that true?

Because how many users of Chad, UBT are there? And I feel like there is at least like MySpace or Facebook probably have like a fast adoption rate. Or like Google search when that. first came it's like in its first three years google search wasn't like the industry leader or whatever because they're still competing with like yahoo and and stuff but i feel like facebook 2004 to 2007 did get pretty pretty big uh but maybe church bt has a lot of i mean everyone i know uses church also i doubt he has the actual like data on that he just says like we're one of the fastest apparently it has 800 million weekly active users which is a lot i

believe that because I saw someone walking around talking to fucking chat GPT. Not even in the bathroom. Not even in a bathroom. It was how to use the bathroom. Why do I keep dropping my pizza room boopin? I wouldn't even want a question set up that way. It's such a cliche to be like, well, what's your biggest weakness? Dig too big.

What is like? Is that what you would say in interviews? Yeah, work too hard. Dik too big. But like, why even introduce? that comparison or that topic just say like maybe just the what's something you want to make better or something yeah instead he went like what are the issues fucking loads anyway here's what are the cons what are the cons what do people not like about it yeah and then he goes

well a lot but the biggest one is probably it's a genius it's too good and people love it too much with a whole lot of things. But one thing I'm concerned about, I'm like, well, is it from the list? Yeah. Oh, that's just something. One thing I'm concerned about is how good it is it coloring books. You're talking about his kid again?

Yeah, sorry. No, cons about your kid. Holding pizza. I'm very concerned about my kid. It's annoying me. Wait, yeah, we can play. A bunch of diseases. In a bunch of negative ways.

Yeah. The rate in which jobs will change over, maybe pretty fast. I have no doubt that we'll figure out all, new jobs to do and sort of, I hope, much better jobs. Got my vote. 2028, Sam Bultman. I'm going to figure out a bunch of jobs, probably.

We'll probably figure out some new jobs. I'm a chat, GPT typeer in her. Mr. President, I'm concerned about the rate of employment dropping so much over the course of your. New jobs. We'll figure it out. We're going to make up some new jobs. Yeah. The king of school.

Once they have to pay them. Yeah, oh. We're going to figure out new money. Person on treadmill who powers data center. It's crazy. It's crazy that Chap GBT isn't profitable given how many users they have and how many paying subscribers they have. That should be concerning, but it isn't.

That's J.R.C. don't get it. Okay. It's a computer thing. They're reinvesting. I see. They're changing the world. They're also raising unfathomable amounts of money. They're losing a lot of money having to buy bags to carry the money.

Which is, because technically. a bag costs more than $1. So what do you think about it? And you have to have a bag for each dollar. Oh, you'll lose it. Don't you? Protective sleeve, like for cards for your dollars. Perfect fit.

Dragon Shield. Dragon Shield dollars. That's why they lose all their money. You know how in like dystopian future movies and books, often people like live underground and they're doing physical labor in order to generate enough energy to. For the overground for the top side. Yeah.

For Elysium. Those are the future jobs. He's talking about. Yeah, they live in a place called like, they live in like Neo-Hades, is that there's their section. The thing is they can move underground and become mole people. So just as you would kind of shimmy it like a cockroach away, because you don't want it near you.

Yeah, when you turn the lights on, the cockroaches. They scurry away. And maybe we turn them into biofuel when they reached their oldest age of 15. Yeah, right. We'll turn them into a new kind of computer. I was in the bathroom the other day using ChatGBT, GBT, and I asked it, should I feel bad about ushering millions of people underground to become mole people that feed our data centers? Hey, Sam. ChatGBTBTT said, what a great question.

But as the CEO of OpenAI, you ain't got shit to worry about it. Nah, fam. Making sure that we introduce us to the world and are responsible ways. where people have time to adapt to give input to figure how to do this. Yeah. You could imagine that. That's getting that wrong. Yeah. And are people on it? Yeah. Like, again, this is gone. No. I completely forgot to hire people to do it. Wait, it was, I feel like it was crazy for him to end, in that with, you can imagine us getting that wrong. I would not, I would like to not imagine that. Could you tell us why we shouldn't?

Like, he could- And what does it mean we? He's not doing shit. His son and his computer. Jimmy's, this is actually another great follow-up question. by Jimmy. Are we, is he like, a hard-hitting reporter? This is like, this is what radicalizes Jimmy Fallon. He's talking to too many billionaires and going, these guys kind of suck. These guys are annoying. Because he's like, do you have people? You're saying we.

And so people are wrong. He's like, it's almost like he's teeing him up to not scare everyone. It's like, you could imagine if we do it wrong, we are ushered into a dark period of tech dystopia. And we're not, we're working on that not happening, right? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, no, definitely. We will be soon for that.

No, when we're about to be on it, Q1 is going to be a little busy for us. We got a couple of buy weeks back to back. Yeah, we got a company offsite. We're all going to the mines. Yeah. We're scouting locations. We're scouting locations. We're scouting locations.

We're looking at mole cages. Gulak check. This first line already a lie. Like, again, this has gone really well so far. No. It's, it's text. he's kind of he's gesturing to people and being like you feel good right like all of us feel really good i'm sure as the intelligence keeps ramping there'll be a lot more to come and when do you

think like it's all going to be like perfected he's so drunk um i hope never you know i hope just we have a relent we is wait wait wait wait can we back up and look at like how long it takes for him to relax from this position because that's like throwing me okay just watch jimmy's position I hope never. You know, I hope, I hope, we have a little. He caught one of the moles. He's the road to improve and make things better and to want more and to do more and to create more. And I hope that keeps going forever.

But if you just look at how far it's come even this year. So you have to tell, Wendy, can you pause real quick? You have to tell your investors, it's like, my, my child weighs 10 pounds at this rate. He will weigh 9 million pounds by 2043. My kid's nine months old. I mean, so far he's still alive, so I'm guessing it'll just keep going. Assuming a growth rate of infinity forever, we'll be making infinibillion dollars forever, actually. Good stuff, okay.

And that's why your... That's why your investment in Open AI is going to go a long way. And then the two of them are like, oh, sorry, we don't think. Go ahead, take the money, whatever. Just give us the children's blood to drink. Here, try on these glasses. I can't see anything. Yeah, that's...

Those are the mold. That works perfectly. Those are the metamoles. Don't be surgically implanted into the temples, the temples in that way that they won't get all fussy. It heightens your other senses. It heightens your other senses. You'll eventually develop like a bat-like echo location.

I mean, look how far we've come in just these three years. Soon the gulag will feature an entirely evolved subspecies. And it's going to have Wi-Fi. Bluetooth-enabled slaves. Yeah, dude. The gulag has Wi-Fi in 2029. Dude, antisocial gulag. This year with these models that could do a little bit of math.

of the year we're doing better math than our best mathematicians at our most difficult competitions. Are you going to the math competition this year? That's like that's I used to do a math competition called math counts when I was in. Oh I remember math counts yeah who was also competed in those words like like it's it's actually a play on words if you think about it count math counts all everything he's saying is like so much lie this is an advertisement for Chat Chatsy. It is, yeah. And he's saying, like, so many lies. Even with Gottshire hard-hitting journalist, Jimmy Fallon. Well, I do kind of want to see Jimmy Fallon in, like, interviewing other figures that he, like, has no ability to, like, engage with. Like, I don't know,

like, dictators. You're talking to idiot. Mala. So what do you, what do you do? And what's the biggest thing you see happening out of Chatsybt in the next five years? Five years is a long time. In five years, I think about next year, I hope we'll start to see these models really make small but important new scientific discoveries. And in five years, I hope they're creating diseases. Yeah, I guess me too.

If it's going to be around, I also hope it kills diseases. Like Open AI is not even the best model at a lot of tasks anymore because there's like other competing things. So I'm curious, like, when that's going to, there's this, all this interesting talk about how, you know, because there's these existing models that people have invested, like, billions in research and development, you can kind of, like, that deep seek, that Chinese model, it's like you could very cheaply train a comparable model on these existing models. It kind of starts to dilute the, any sort of market advantage you have. Yeah, because people will just use the one that is the most convenient and available. Right, and then, like, the bleeding edge only really has, like, and it costs so much money to train these models, and it costs so much energy. Hank did a really good video about the, like, water usage of AI and, like, what he sees is, like, one of the bigger concerns ecologically for, for, like, AI use and stuff.

But the energy use is, like, a huge, is a huge factor that, like, is probably something you'd want to call out if this was a real. interviewed with something productive to say or I mean he has his like press like a bank video actually goes into like the things that he said and like how it's like kind of clever lies but it's also like one of those like technically true technical truth type things where it leverages the fact that most people don't know enough about water use and energy use and stuff like that if you genuinely all he really has to do is make is speak with the kind of authority that makes people genuinely think that this is what chat GPT is

which is why it's kind of an impossible conversation a lot of the time because if I it's not dissimilar and I say it's with no redidding energy but like when an atheist speaks

with a devoutly religious person and they say like well where's your proof of God and then the other person says well my proof is my faith you're like okay so you are just it's incompatible currency you cannot

work. There is no facts and logic that will work here because you're just, you're speaking different dialects. If you have faith and genuinely believe for whatever reason that chat GBT is the magic thing from movies. It is the magic AI from movies. It's Skynet. It's just the smartest thing ever. Then all of these answers make sense. But yeah, it's eating up a lot of energy, but it's so smart that it's going to make a new energy. If you genuinely think chat, GPD is the thing from movies, which is what most people do. That's what he's pitching it at. Which is him pushing that.

Then, obviously, any of the criticisms don't make any sense. The issue is that anyone that knows anything about it or has any interest in digging into it or any critique of it goes like, but it isn't the thing from movies. So what are we doing? I mean, like, if I like shit on your front doorstep, I'm like, that actually helps. And they were like, no, it doesn't. There's shit on my doorstep. I'm like, no, it does. No, no.

You actually really like that. I mean, it's, this is such a typical tech thing because of, you know, the structure that that industry has developed of like you know getting venture capital and that sort of thing where i'm like handing you a random thing covered in duct tape and um and and you know that i kind of slapped slapped together and i'm going oh you know what this actually can cure cancer and not right now, but, you know, it will, we're developing it, and it'll, you know, help you with your marital problems, and it'll

My matter of problem is being unmarried. It'll get you laid. Whoa. Yeah. And people are going, great. I'll take five. I believe everything you're saying. All it has to do, now it burns down an orphanage every time you turn it on,

but we're really hoping that in a while it's going to have like an anti-five, a system. Oh, okay. Well, why don't we have that now? And we will. With enough money from you now and enough orphans. Yeah, we're actually getting a lot from the orphan actions. We need like a number of seed orphans to really jump start.

We can start with the ones people don't love that much. Yeah. And we'll be scaled by the time we'll put on our special gopher glasses. We'll send them over ground. Straight. Deal for the minds. Also, did I say that it would help with your marital problems? I meant it'll kill your wife.

Yeah. Instructions unclean. problem has been terminated thank you chat gpt i wish robots still sounded like that no can we get chat gpt like that no it's that would be it's like samuel l jackson bot it's actually the only motherfucker this is the only thing it can't do they they if jimmy asked him that he's so freaking out he's like i don't within five years we we can't make it sound like a funny robot it just can't be done what uh what else do we have because we've got um we got Stab boys' nights coming up after this over on patreon.com slash sadboys

Using five dollars you're discretionary entertainment spending Um The extra episode we got Ooh baby we got McDonald's new AI Christmas ad We got the Netflix Warner Brothers merger I don't know how much we're going to talk about all this It's a million things we can talk about over there That was me dying

Are you reading the vice the whole I'd drop the pizza Oh my baby's from Jersey Hey I'm crawling here I'm a little young to crawl, but I'm doing it. I'm a little young to crawl, but, hey, I discussed it with a, a generative AI robot, and they said, I'm actually fine.

Killing, baby. No crawling required. I got, they also offered me these very cool glasses. Now I'm crawling underground. Now I'm crawling underground. I don't even see where I'm going. I'm kind of just following the maze. And when I get to the end of the maze, they give me a piece of cheese.

There's a big wheel. Oh, Italian baby They inject me full of something weird Every morning And sometimes I grow an extra leg For the computer We end every episode of Stabwe's with a particular phrase We love you

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