Sad Boyz - Taylor Swift vs The Internet

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

Jarvis and Jordan discuss the internet's reaction to Taylor Swift's "Life Of A Showgirl". ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sad Boyz Nightz #134 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠100+ bonus episodes on Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠✨find us everywhere✨⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 00:00:00 Stereotypes as Cartoons 00:03:12 A Nighttime Father Figure 00:10:30 Taylor Swift's "Life Of A Showgirl" 00:14:37 Eldest Daughter 00:25:18 Wood (Musical Resemblance) 00:29:08 Aging Out Of Being A White Girl 00:54:06 Wood Lyrics 01:32:53 Initial Internet Reaction 01:36:17 Sad Boyz Nightz 🎬 CREW 🎬 Hosted by Jarvis Johnson and Jordan Adika Produced & Edited by Jacob Skoda Produced by Anastasia Vigo Thumbnail design by @yungmcskrt Outro music by @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings, and other things also. I'm Jarvis. Bang. Hello. I'm Jordan. Anastasia, explain what you were saying before the show started. You need to justify yourself. What was I saying?

Begain with, you guys remember Donald Duck? Yeah. And then we're like, okay, he's like a very famous character. No, I think what I said, let's rewind this. I think what I said is, you know what I love, remember Donald Duck. Oh, that's weird. And then, and then he, and then we said, Yeah, and then he was like, cool, just wanted to make sure you remembered.

You like stuff? Explain what it is that you love so much about Donald Duck. So you know when he's like getting down into, this, this is like. Now, that sounds like you are peeping Tom on Donald Duck. You know what he's getting down into the tub? So, uh, Bugs Bunny does this too. Lots of cartoons do this. But when they're getting to a hot tub.

Yeah. And it's like they're trying. They're like, oh, they like dip a little. Yeah. But in or their tail It's like a stretch and squash animation or whatever it's called I can't even remember

The tail will dip in But then it'll curl up Yeah Or then they'll like Nuzzle themselves in And then like some Like a like a like a sore Will come up and do a hole around it

And then roll down Well that's true too They'll do like a big hole in a cloud or something Just like reference some ideas of like Maybe we can make this You know what I would love to remake Something Luny Chene's Back in Action, the movie that I saw in theaters.

I would love to remake something. I would love to remake like an old cartoon. I was talking about this recently, how I was obsessed with Hannah Barbera cartoons. That's a very funny choice as a child. I feel like I watched. So right before Cartoon Network became Cartoon Network. Yeah. It was like Cartoon Network.

It was just like old cartoons. Yeah. And so like I saw a lot of Hannah Barbera cartoons during that time. Yeah. Like lots of Snagglepus Nope Is that you talking about the bath thing again?

Yeah, it's just, I mean back to cartoons bathing Snagglepus is the pink guy that goes I'm snagglepus even Oh, that makes sense He's like gay-coded essentially He's like I wear scarf even

Like how Pepe Lepeu is like Is sexual Sex offender Like a pervert It is kind of cool to, like, imagine the chalkboard riffing out character ideas in the day one of production, just like, all right, we got all the races. Let's riff out the things we know about them. Okay, they're lazy, they're crazy, they're annoying, they run too fast, and then what else

do we have? A pervert. Pervert, yeah. Yeah, those cartoons actually get really racist. Remember Hong Kong fuey? Yeah. Not really. It's like, but you can extract most of the details of them.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're media literate. You know the, you can see that. I can put two and two together, I guess. Speedy Gonzalez. Speedy Gonzalez, yeah.

What's up, dude? How are you? Uh. We dealt with her. I'm fine. I'm very tired. Last night I tried to go to sleep, which is like a thing I do every night. And I tried.

I tried. I took like a melatonin because I really wanted to get to sleep. like early, right? And I just sat there for three hours in like a zombie state. It was probably even more than three hours. But I did get some work for the podcast done, which was listening to the new Taylor Swift album, which we're going to talk about today. On the meltonin? Yeah. So that really enhanced the experience. You sure that's why you just couldn't sleep? Like if the lyrics were so profound, they were so profound and honestly just like so much to chew on, you know? Like I was like, wow, there's double, triple, quadruple, entendres?

How does she even do it? Jarvis did say that he was, like, sort of fading off while listening, and then heard a lyric that made him smirk in his sleep. It's like when I was listening to Yu-Gi-Oduals to sleep, and then Pegasus would be like, let me guess, Kaiba, is it the blue-eyes-white dragon card? And then he goes, no. No. It was like that

Except for it was Taylor Swift saying That she has a bigger dick Um It was that she was saying She was saying my dick's bigger actually Which means I mean look She says I'll be your father figure

I believe it's a it's supposed to be a song About like the music industry And how they were How they you know Treated her Which is you know valid to complain about But Because it's talking about like a

Being a mentor to a figure Yeah, because the idea is that It might be about one of the producers She works with and then it says I'll be your father figure I drink that brown liquor I can make deals with the devil Because my dick's bigger

But I don't really understand that part Than the devil I can make deals with the devil Because my dick is bigger This I mean that really is starting to sound Like Lonely Island And dick is bigger We're gonna talk about the Taylor Swift album

And the response to it So I don't want to get ahead of myself How are you? I'm sorry Do you feel weird Because you have a flight coming up I got a flight coming up I wanted I had some work that I wanted to do

I got a flight today After this So I wanted to get ahead of some work And I did do a lot of stuff But then there's other stuff that I didn't do And so then I was like I was starting to feel really tired last night And it sucks when you're like tired

But then can't sleep And then you wake up tired because you couldn't sleep and you're like, what was I supposed to do to avoid this? I followed all the rules. I followed all the rules. This is not cool. It does sometimes feel like I'm just like, it, it, I want to go into the doctor and be like, no, no, don't try and trick me. I know this elaborate plank you've been playing.

The chewable B12 isn't working. Don't try and fucking trick me, you little devil. Yeah. Like, well, if you go to bed and avoid screen time, like, I did that. I did that. You little cheeky, my dick is bigger than you devil. That's usually, that's my Trump card. Like if I'm saying my dick's bigger

That means I'm trying to end the conversation Damn it And I walk away in Victor Our cycles are in sync Because yesterday We both woke up feeling horrible I was so tired last night I was like I'm gonna sleep so well tonight

Right I'm so excited Because my dick's bigger My dick's bigger And I get in bed Like a little Donald duck I cozy down into the covers You create a

a surplus amount of space for your huge hog to just kind of roll to flop around. Gross. Good night. And you put on your sleep cap. I didn't fall asleep until after 1 a.m. and woke up. I said an alarm didn't set it. I've set it for a 73 blaglock. Didn't set it for the right time.

You got to set it for a time. That's one of the biggest problems. Did you say 73 Baclock? Yeah. That's your first mistake. Then I was like, why didn't my alarm go off? And I go back and look. And it just says 7.30 a.m. every Saturday.

Why did I deal that? Well, yeah, that's short. But clock is a shortcut for every Saturday. But it was just like, I was just sleepy and I said it for the wrong time. Just open it to a note's app that says 7.30 a. Yeah. It's like scratched onto a piece of paper. I, um, you wake up, you have a tattooed memento style of your forehead that says 730.

I was supposed to say it on my phone. I was supposed to, hey, Siri, this one. I'm such a fool. I set my alarm for 6 a.m. o'clock. And then I woke up at must have been eight. And I was like, what happened in those two hours? Did I just like subconsciously snooze? I may need to start hiring a man to stand outside my door and barge in and pull the covers off

me and jump a bucket of water like I'm simulating cadet Kelly or something like a like a I was going to say is this related to the man who splashes water on your face and then disappears yes I need that guy but if you're going to hire this man have him also carry you to bed and tuck you in that's right I don't like game out I got to say the procedures between ready for bed and being in bed I think I know I've been talking a lot about this probably really I think a lot of we shouldn't have like a steam OLED before we got like a special iPad that makes you all diseases go away. Yeah. I'm excited I'm glad there is a Steam Deck OLED.

We should have had like a USBC that makes it so that you can't get disease. Yeah, a plug-in that fixes. Not the order that they should have done it to make. They should have done it. Because then you could make the OLED quicker because you don't have it. Nobody has a disease. Right, right. And they need to make like AAA batteries you can eat once and it feeds you forever. Yeah, I think they may have

tried that first. Kickstarter. I don't, that's not. Unfortunately, I don't think they could, unfortunately, they just don't have, we just don't have the technology. It's probably like thousands of dollars to be accepted. I would even argue more. $10,000. Yeah. But you're saying that we need an iPad that just immediately gets you ready for me.

We need like a special toothpick where you pick one tooth and then it gives you an effective sleeping pill and cleans your teeth for you and puts it because you're, when you're at your most tired, you have to be your most regimented. Okay, wait. Yeah, I know. I have to do a whole fucking skin routine. See, that's why we need, you need to hire a father figure. See?

That's what I'm saying. He carries me to bed. He brushes my teeth. teeth. I have to sleep. He's applying my retinoles. Instead of like gargling, he shakes me up. And then he puts me down and I spit and then he

puts me into the bed. And he tucks me in. Chewing up the teeth face like a baby. And then he disappears. He walks into the wall like platform nine and three quarters. I'll see you soon boy. He doesn't talk to me like that. My father would never do such a thing. I don't want him to talk at all. I will say that like again, I do.

recognize that Taylor Swift in that song is singing about like the music industry being exploitative to like a young person but the lyric is just so jarring and there's so many lyrics on that album and we'll get it we'll get to it I mean I think let's just get to it because where it's in our it's in the forefront of our minds because we were just talking so much about it well I was I was listening to the album and I'm like what does any of this mean and so luckily on Spotify, there's a track-by-track version where she spends 30 seconds explaining that the song Wood is a romance song that employs metaphors like knocking on wood and seeing a black cat and lucky things and unlucky things.

And that's it. And then she says, and that's it. Wink. It's about penis. Oh, like a black cat. Yeah. Yes, slang for penis. No, no, you're mixing the wrong metaphors, sir.

Okay, Taylor Swift, the biggest artist, everyone knows who she is. She did new album, and it's new album, it's different than old album, it has, it has new song, it has old producer Max Martin back. It says no more Jack Antonoff and no more Jack Antonoff more Jack and me jacking off. Jack and off more like Jack and off. she would never do that well have you heard have you listened to the album because what do you think she's doing what she goes uh no but it's it's just and so the the you know i like i'll just say this up front musically you like music the dancing app from the past no musically i like the album i think it sounds good however asterisk on that uh i'll get back to that but then but then like there are

just so many lyrically jarring moments that Taylor Swift has always been like a little cheesy, corny, like tongue and cheek, right? But I feel like there's a, like, maybe a jumping of the shark that has occurred. And then also, it may be that she's like reached her like, it's like everyone's a hater. And she like complains about internet trolls. And it's like so weird because it's in such plain text. Like, there's nothing, like, left to, to, to extract. It just feels, even if there is a deeper meaning, it presents so surface level.

I think there is, it is almost like the, uh, it's everyone's epilogue is as soon as they start talking about posting. Like, if you are a celebrity that should have, like, you should have transcended, right? You should have a social media platform that uses blood or something. Like, you, it's crazy to still be using. normie social media and feeling hurt by it when you own the moon. Well, I actually, as a, you know, I am a person who is equally famous as Taylor Swift. Yeah.

More wealthy. Yeah, of course. I run into this issue because there are problems in my life that, you know, maybe the average person can't relate to. But Taylor Swift has to know her audience. and it just comes off a little weird because you're like a billionaire and like the biggest music artist in the world. Talking about posting,

it's because it's the title of the creator just closed the laptop. It's true, it's completely real. And it's not that you can't be hurt by things, but it's like putting out a record which is about stubbing your toe, but speaking about it with like sincerity. Be like, I just went through something.

Somebody fucking DM'd me and said I was mad. That and then there's a lot of like, like, oh, and reviews, millennial core, like, and as a millennial, I can say this, when I go on Facebook and I, which is where you find us, which is where you find the, that's where you find the millennials in your life. And I'll sometimes pop over there and see what the millennials are up to. Hello, fellow friends. Yeah, I'm like, I got the last flight out, you know.

It's me going back to your hometown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then I see the way they're talking to each other over there. And there's like a little bit of a time capsule in like dated words and terminologies. Like there's a point where there's a lyric where she says, can you pull up the lyrics to eldest daughter? Like this song starts with everybody's so punk on the internet. Everyone's unbothered till they're not. Every joke's just trolling it in memes.

Sad as it seems apathy is hot. And it's like that's like a thing we say on the show verbatim. But it's like in explaining the internet, but like, in a song, it just does it. It feels like it's breaking the fourth wall. It's also a little. It's just on the nose. It's kind of alien coded with like, hey, has everybody noticed how the internet is trolling and means? It's like CNN talking about what the kids are doing online.

Oh, dude, this is a, 10 plus years ago. These are lyrics written by a kid that goes crazy on law and order. And they're like, he was talking about trolling and memes. Every single hot take, it's coldeth aith. It's like, it's an SVU. Yeah. The other thing is, there's a couple things. She says, this song has a lot of the, a lot of the lyrics that people take issue with.

I have been afflicted by a terminal uniqueness. I'm so unique, I'm going to fucking die. How long does she have? Yeah, is it like, stage one? I've been dying just from trying to seem cool. It feels like a thing. that I would have written as a poem in middle school. Oh, this is my, um, like, uh, MSN instant messenger, uh, subline.

He literally said that, I said, I said, I said, it's his aim. I said it's my aim away message earlier today. That's sort of regional equivalent. Yeah. Yeah. This is a, I'm sure my now would be my discord subline or whatever the fuck is going on there. I understand looking at these lyrics why people are saying this feels immature of her. Yeah.

Which is weird because she's 13. The thing is, like, a lot of songs have lyrics that are really cheesy, but oftentimes they're, like, hidden and baked into the musicality or whatever, but Taylor Swift being, like, kind of hailed as this, like, songwriter of our time, like, the great songwriter of our time, her lyrics are going to be more on the forefront. And also, the music is so, you know, there's indie musicians where you can't fucking hear the words they're saying you know this is a lyric song it's a lyric song and that's many of her songs and so uh when she says but i'm not a bad bitch and i'm this isn't savage oh man

but i'm never going to let you down oh jeez i'm never going to leave you out you know the rules and so do i um all right but anyway full commitment's what i'm thinking of right i just sorry i just have to say Lee Lewis being a lot, this gets a lot more scruples. Let's get a lot more like observation than it would for most artists. Like most lyrics are pathetic. Like this, it's all dog shit. It's just, in all stuff, because nobody listens to lyrics. But it needs to have Riz.

And this is like a little embarrassing for anyone to be upset about posting. And it's not because it can't be upsetting or important. It's just naturally embarrassing. Well, I guess what I'm saying is if you're going to, talk about how everyone's mean online, have something new to say, put more nuance into it. It's trolling and memes, I started. Like, I just don't, I, it's a conversation we've been having since the internet was created. And it kind of feels like I'm listening to Kamala Harris's audio book.

Yes. You know what I mean? I'm 13 and this is deep. Well, it's like, uh, every eldest daughter was the first lamb to the slaughter. So we all dressed up as wolves and we looked fire. Oh, that's so true. We looked fucking fire, dude. I don't know.

Pete Buttigieg is gay, so I said, go away. Or whatever she wrote. It's just interesting. Because, you know, cringe is bored of empathy, right? Like, it starts in a, oh, no, I remember being that. I wonder how, like, generationally, who's getting more cringe versus, like, second-hand embarrassment versus who's making fun of more directly? Because this, we look at it and we go, oh, this is XD Random, Raw, Love You, a dinosaur, cringe, 2009, right?

I feel like I'm going like, oh, I remember putting that as my MSN message. That's so embarrassing to do that now. I think that the opposite might happen where very young people will discover this later on. I'm talking about people in elementary school now. They'll discover this later on and be like, no, this is good. When I was in high school, the music I thought was really, really bad, like third-eyed blind. seven three eight um or whatever clock no 73 o'clock now my niece is is like equates it with nirvana and i'm like wait no that's not well yeah it's like it's funny to argue with you

i because again again i actually like the musicality through most of this album uh i thought i was pleasing to listen to again a asterisk i do want to talk about uh the song maybe this is more of a time capsule lyrics that's the thing where it's like it's like it's like when it feels like some of the language, like skibbity, I'll use as an example, feels like it has an expiration date. It doesn't feel like it's like baked its way into. Yeah, that's a... It is currently dated parlance and it's going to take a lot for it to promote outside

of like a moment in time. Yeah, that's fermenting right now. Or do we at some point think that that's cool, like that was cool part, a cool part of our time? Like, think about like the 90s. It's like rad. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like, and it's like, I'll say rad or I'll use some of those old 90s terms now.

But I think it's just like it's in this, once there's been enough time, I feel like there's an earnest re-evaluation of some of the language. But it's almost like it's from last year. It's from five years ago where it's like it's relevant enough to feel dated and for us to like have a point in time that it harkens back to. I am become meme. Yeah. It reads very, even using the word meme, I know it's still around. I want to point out, obviously, Taylor Swift has been and will continue to be the subject of so much, like, artificial culture war bullshit. Hate for the sake of hate.

She's like a proxy war for people to dog whistle about. That is the foundational problem. It is the fact that people hate women and the better their position in life, the more they hate them. This is not about. that on the way this is not savage this is this is how again like ban lyrics about that would be in the middle of like it's like uh you know when someone is so cringe that they're free yes and then someone is like so trying to be cool and that's kind of what that song is about a little bit um is uh there's a gap between those things and this is in the uncanny valley in between

In between, I'm so cringe and I'm actually cool with it. And actually, I don't care about anything. It's tickling the like, oh. There's just a bullet point, a couple things that we'll probably get to later on. One is the fan, the actual Swifty reaction is like all, like, nothing means anything anymore. She's lost her morality. They're freaking out. It's like this is all we, like Taylor Swift, the billionaire.

has been and will continue to be criticized and as she should be. But it is funny to me how fandom around her infantilizes her and also hails her as this like genius writer poet. Yeah, where... The most successful, incredibly successful woman, like most successful female artist in history, most successful artist in history, I believe, not included, Depending on how you're looking at it.

Like Michael Jackson, but yeah, yeah, depending on... If taking that into account and also she's baby... And that's why she needed to take that private jet 20 feet. It just kind of lightly implies that like no woman can be an adult. It's like you can... You can be as examples you want, but... Well, so there's also another lyric that is just like in this, that is like the type of thing that I have said as a joke in a video,

which is girl boss girl bossing too close to the sun it's a lyric that made it into this album and so like that's why it's like I'm saying that as a dumb goof like I'm being stupid and dumb and obviously a woman's allowed to joke a woman's allowed to be stupid and dumb as well

but it's I don't know it just comes off strange from a billionaire it's like um it's like when Gavin Newsom again these are all bad It's like when Gavin Newsom is talking about another country's treatment of homeless people or something like that. And it's like, bro, you are not in the position to talk about this right now.

I'm looking at it. Yeah, kind of a pot calling a kettle black calling the kettle girl boss or whatever. Anastasia, why we should ADR, so you've been saying Taylor Swift, but you keep calling her Travis Kelsey's wife. Is that? Well, I think the most progressive way to do it is to call her Travis Kelsey's wife. It's husband, his wife, his wife, yeah. This is a friend's girlfriend. Because that way, yeah.

This is more about, like, because I don't think that my opinion matters. I don't think that any real opinions matter about this because it doesn't affect, I think what's interesting is the discourse that erupts around this. I mean, the thing is, like, it's always a case of what does mattering mean? Right? Because there's, no one's, I'm not making the argument that she should go a little like jail. Yeah. So it's it, the, the, the value of the criticism begins and ends with the sentence, right?

I'm saying, hey, that's kind of embarrassing. And it reminds me of a certain kind of embarrassment. Isn't it crazy that 5,000 producers let this lyric get through? Yeah. But she's the soul writing credit, which is it kind of harkens back to the musical thing I wanted to talk about. Let's, um, let's watch some reactions because I feel like that'll help us. talk more about... When can I talk about wood?

Well, do you want to talk about wood right now? Because I want to talk about wood. So wood is a thing from a tree. And that's it. And that's it. Yeah. Wood is probably one of the most talked about songs. It's the most talked about song.

And what I feel like people are talking about too much is Travis Kelsey's penis. And what they're not talking about enough is how the song sounds like fucking Jackson 5 and Maroon 5 at the same time. All the fives are represented. But it's one of the. the, you know how on your microwave you can select like de-frost, pizza, all of those. There's 80s pop and like 2009 pop button. You can just hit that, the microwave goes for a while, and then this song comes out.

There's the song Father figure, which interpolates the George Michael song father figure. But then there's, and this person and I had the same idea, but I had it independently, okay? where it's like the the beginning of the of the song Wood, I like the song Wood musically and I was like, why do I like it? And it's because it starts more or less

very similar to I Want You Back by Jackson Five where it's got this like this like high like synthy guitar riff that's like dun to do dun dun dun dun dun and then all that bitchin wishing on a falling star never did me

any good i ain't got a knock on wood reminds me of the like this love has like just doesn't do it it's like literally it sounds like number five uh and then there's um you could say that maroon five was also uh oh yeah paying homage to that like 70s kind of funk they absolutely yeah that that that album was that album was i think their guitar is james valentine like joining the band and like them discovering black music from the 70s yeah i mean there's like thousands Thousands and thousands and thousands of these songs, these are just the very famous ones. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like this is. So it makes sense that these fit together into one song for her. And there's been, there's a really interesting conversation happening about like interpolation because it seems that there's a lot of interpolation happening on the album. But I'm not smart enough about music theory to make heads or tails. I just go, oh, that reminds my like brain just maps it to. Oh, this sounds like this thing. And I'm not even saying that in accusation.

way, I'm just saying, oh, that's probably why I like the music, because it sounds like a thing I already like. Well, that's what I mean. It's not, it's always just what's the most famous one, because people always harken to like, well, you know, it's like a really common chord structure or everything's written in 4-4, so rhythmically it feels the same. Or she's using a lot of the same, like, uh, ad-lib patterns, like da-da-da-da, you know, that's not something she's only doing. It's just that Taylor Swift is very famous. And we've heard the album. And so Jackson 5 is very famous. Yeah. the thing that is embarrassing is the lyrical context yeah it's another thing that like musically a thing that writers have to deal with all the time because they don't i mean we've seen how

many like of these lawsuits about like the the estate of a big artist from the past is like suing the edge herein or something like that thinking out loud and like um what was it uh it wasn't al green it was Marvin gay let's get it on right yeah anyway uh so it's like this thing happens all the time And I'm not accusing anyone of anything for the record. But there is, there are bubbles and rumblings. I just needed to talk about that. And then later we'll talk about the lyrics of the Travis Kelsey Pina's song. Yeah.

And then also he, Travis Kelsey himself was like, well, there was an article that was like, let's hear what Travis Kelsey has to say. And it's like, I don't want to. But for the podcast, I will. But we'll pull that. That was on people this morning. I saw that. But let's go to these TikToks that you guys are so.

graciously prepared. So I kind of want to listen to this lady that I sent you. The Kev on stage one. Shout out Kev on stage. Yeah, shout out Kev on stage. If you don't follow him on Instagram, please do. Very, very funny man. Oh, funny.

But he reposted this. And he said, I'm in white folks business. This girl broke down why she thinks Taylor shows album is not being received. Well, interesting dissertation. One of the top comments is Kev playing the substitute teacher today, rolled in the TV, hit play, and took a nap at his desk. It's very funny. hungover.

This new album is many things. Unfortunately, good is not one of them. I knew the album wasn't going to be good as soon as the title was revealed, but the promo picks made me curious so I have listened to the album in full. And now having listened to it, the album's problem is glaringly obvious. The problem is Taylor Swift is aging out of being a white girl. Before you scroll, let me cook. I'm not allowed to say whether or not Taylor Swift is aging out of being a white girl.

I can't speak from that position. it does I did feel a how did I frame it before it's uh it doesn't meet the moment like it feels like a little dated in the way it's communicating it's and it's like this happens with artists all the time where it's like as they age they less have their finger on the pulse of like for sure when Taylor was a teenager she wanted to be a pop star so her parents decided to take the country route. Keep in mind, this is the 2000s. Pop music was highly sexual. It was sleazy. And then you had things like bling wrap. It's on a place for a little white girl. Country music, on the other hand, loves a little white girl. And she's blonde. They'll eat her up. So her family moved from Pennsylvania to

Tennessee to launch her country career. That's why for the first several years of her career, she faked a southern accent. Why didn't I bring my book? I left it at home. I should have, of all the days. Of all the days. It's okay. We have the full reading. Yeah, I'll send some... And I was familiar with this stuff so far. She grew up on a Christmas tree farm. That's right, grew up on Christmas tree farm. Taylor loves putting in secret lyrics for her fans like, uh, cock.

This one means cock. I learned that, um, I learned that a Taylor Swift thing is track five as a vulnerability track. Went to the pop landscape started to change the late 2000s and early 2010s. That's when she started to transition to making palm music. And now to talk about white girls. Again, this is, you could say this about Drake or any, artists or Maroon 5 or any artist that like niches down and then becomes like a very wide the maximum wide appeal.

Rides the tide kind of. Rides the tide and expands the tide. Yeah. Which is not always implicitly negative. Because I just want to, again, I wanted to use her points as maybe a jumping off point to have my own insights because she has her own. But I think that I just think of it from a marketing standpoint. Like if she wants to be a pop star, she's playing the market to the best of her skills, you know?

Yeah, it is also the best time to do it. It's not like a, you know, doing country music. It's not like some hyper-transgressive. Like someone's making country music in the 2000? Yeah. It's just that's not the like zeitgeist that we talk about anymore because it's boring. But it was the same at the time. But there is like, I don't know, something that we said for being, you know, a strategic artist.

Yeah, we'll let her continue. Yeah, that's not the criticism. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're just like I'm not disagreeing with her. I'm just adding additional thoughts and context. Like, I think that Drake has a very similar, like, arc. He came up in the backpack rap scene and, like, and then he became, he started associating with these, like, what was popular.

And he's always been, like, this culture vulture that's, that's morphing and forming to, like, whatever meets the current moment. And there's so many stories of smaller artists coming. under him and then working for like the Drake hit factory or whatever and then like not having a career of their own, which has allowed him to stay relevant through so many times. But he's also released music in other languages and collaborating with different artists across different genres to widen the umbrella of audience that he could reach because he's scaled out of hip hop.

Yeah. For all the valid criticism of Drake and even those methods, he's very good at that. And he's always been very good at that. And none of that, it's more just I'm riffing off of what she's saying. I'm not disagreeing with anything she's saying. Woman having sexual freedom and willingly engaging in sex is highly associated with blackness. You can see this most clearly when it comes to things like Disney Nickelodeon stars. Riley Cyrus, she was Hannah Montana, all-American girl.

And what does she do whenever she wanted to shed the Disney image and say, hey, I'm not just a little girl anymore? She really says, can't be tamed in bangers. Ariana Grande, another cute little white girl. What does she do whenever she wants to shed the childhood image? She releases Dangerous Woman in Sweetener. They would do things like Hangout with Rappers. They would incorporate black music styles into their own music. I think I disagree.

I think I disagree from the associated with blackness sexuality versus projected. Like I feel like these like puritanical like white girl stuff is projected onto white women and sexuality is projected onto black women. It's not like an inherent quality of. It's the culture. It's all obviously synthetic, right? Like, it's all performance to some degree. But there is something to be said for the norm, normal, aggressively white patriarchal social structure. It is to the benefit of that to have white normal and then like subvert to black.

Like, yeah, normal is not like people shooting each other with guns and doing all this hippie hop. If I want to go a little less normal, I'm going to pivot to black stuff as opposed to like, right. Like black is sexual comparative to being super virginal. What I'm saying is that like we have a racist power structure that has associated blackness with all things dirty and impure. Yeah, it's all societal. And so like that that is like why the association is there.

This change happens. And the way it is always phrased anywhere is starts hanging out with black people, not stops hanging out with white people not reduces X it does why it's like the one drop rule for association yeah he's gone black

not found more friends when Miley Cyrus was twerking on the VMAs or whatever yeah and that's like what she's talking about yeah it's like she clearly was doing different dances than like what she had done before that right right and there's a

there's like a pure marketing angle and then there's also the um the the the coming out of the of the shell thing i feel like there's a there's a reverse post malone happening where like people criticize post malone for like co-opting hip-hop culture and then like pivoting out of it when it's convenient to him i think that that criticism is valid but i also think of it as these people widening the net like yes because they're a lot of times they're being not that they don't have their agency but when they are more up-and-coming artists they're not as in control of their image and they have especially with like deals and stuff they have like record labels that want to market them in a certain way because they're the ones put in the traditional like record deal

structure the record labels are doing the marketing and that's like the main thing that they offer and so they have a lot of say especially when you're early in your career and especially in the past have a lot of say in like how you present uh how you present yourself and present your art you want to be a you are a product and you want to be an adaptable one right yeah like every marvel movie that drops has to have better visual fidelity than one before or people will be like dude age of ultron looks better than this new one it's like oh because that was in the past this is worse because it's in the future. Yeah.

There's needs to be more popular than the last one. The Disney kid actor version of that is even more clear delineation because Disney controls your image for your child career. Yeah. And then I think a lot of Disney kids, including like the Jonas Brothers, not just girls and Zendaya and other people. And it's so it's like once you want to be taken seriously, that's when you go hypersexual.

You know, Miley did. it like Zendaya did a TV show. Yeah, but it's like in the- Oh, yeah, I'm doing drugs. Then they, yeah, that I'm doing drug show. Drug-drug-drug high school. Yeah. But then like pivot out of it.

So that way whenever they'd be sexual, it's like, oh, I'm not just a little white girl anymore. And over time, they would drift away from that because that wasn't who they authentically were. They were just using that as a way to escape the chains of being a white girl. Taylor Swift has never had to do that. And why would she? she makes being a white girl so fucking profitable it's hard for me to buy into the idea that

now they're being on i know a lot of people like to go there but i don't always see it's like and now they're being authentic like now oriana grind is authentic now that post malone is doing some country music he's authentic like he posted like bob dylan covers before he posted well it's just like another phase it's just another phase and so it's like and i think that the the through line is like what interests me what is marketable what is it's going to be a different like kind of combination of factors for every artist i do think there is something to being strategically choosing projects versus just choosing what you want to do creatively like uh robert patinson because he did twilight after twilight he had to shed his twilightness

and he was able to, after shedding that, choose which projects called to him creatively, right? I mean, it's a difference between, I wouldn't say that's more authentic than anything else. It's just choosing projects that call to you creatively over projects that feel strategic for your career. You just have to ask for a Safty movie. That's like, fucking Sandler did that.

The Rock is doing it right now. It looks so bad. I haven't seen it yet. There's an old Eminem, to speak of a white man, there's an old Eminem lyric, I am the first Kings of Elvis Presley to use black music so selfishly and use it to get myself wealthy. You know, it's like, it's like that there is a, it's like Justin Timberlake. I mean, Jay Cole has a lyric about Justin Timberlake Eminem and Maclemore and how they use, you know, how white people are able to like drift into blacks.

spaces because it is safe and marketable for a white person to do the black stuff. Yes. But I also think it gives them credibility, right? It makes them seem better than maybe, like, more talented or more capable of. I hate to be that everything is racist guy in this, in this argument, but like the friend who's correctly woke. I feel, I feel that like a lot of people gravitate to people who like look like them. And it doesn't surprise me that Eminem.

sells as many records as he does, because a lot of, like, white boys think it's really cool that the white guy's doing the rap music in the cool way, or the Beastie Boys or whatever. A bunch of kids at my super white high school listened to Eminem. And at the time, I'm just like, yeah, Eminem's just like the biggest rapper. And it's like, yeah, he's the biggest rapper. My friends didn't listen to one other rap. It wasn't like some, what a fucking coincidence. There's the octogenarians in the Tom McDonald's comments.

I'm 701 years old, and this is the first rap song. I never wanted to listen to any of this rippity rap music, but you've finally been able to tear you with your American flag as a Canadian. Lapping is one of us. You know, to go back to Elvis, like, there were radio stations that wouldn't play black artists. And he was then allowed to be on those radio stations and play black music. And move his hips. And pretend it was his own, which it wasn't.

He was blacker. He was white. Oh, my Lord. But that's exactly the thing. It's like that is, and it's like it keeps going the further back you look. Yeah. It's like that's the foundation that a lot of these like markets are built upon. It's like leaping the curse would.

It's as old as American music is. Yeah, exactly. Jazz is the same thing. Like swing music, whatever. It's like Ryan Gosling inventing jazz. Now I'm on board. Congrats to him, seriously. That is a good. Period piece.

So she's aging out of being a white girl, but she doesn't have a brand or really even a sense of self outside of being a white girl. Also, low key, this is the entire key to her relationship with Travis Kelsey, which is not going to go well, but that's a story for another day. I mean, yeah, you can't say that. Okay. So he's a little weird to engage. She's kind of spitten and then like a little bit of a dog whistle to being too much of a fan. And she's gay, by the way, and then just like. And keep in mind, the world has been moving on.

An artist like Sabrina Carpenter could not exist 10 years ago. There was nowhere in the pop landscape for her. Who was like another sexual white? Christina Aguilera. No, that wasn't 10 years ago. That was 20 years ago. That was like 30 years ago. Well, early 2000s, 25.

I mean, she's saying, I don't think she means on the dot 10. I think she means 10 plus. No, I think she means 10 years ago. Exactly 10 years ago was 2014. When Taylor Swift popped off with 1989, what year was that? 1989. No, it wasn't. It was like 2010 or something, right?

I don't... 1989 was released in 2014. 2014. So that's 10 years ago. Yeah. So in that era of pop music, who was like a white female pop singer who was hypersexual? I'm not good enough with time. It's more my issue with this one.

Yeah, I would just have to look up the people. I agree that that was a much more... Much more. I think she made a little hyperbolic when she said, Sabrina Carpenter existed years ago. I kind of just... Biggie Azalea was like the biggest, I mean, not for long, but...

So I'll just give my own background with this. As like a lady, I often will notice when women are getting way more sexualized. way more sexualized in pop culture than not. You're making, you're making like a wave chart off screen. I was upset as a high school kid when Brittany Spears and Christina Aguilera started coming out

because I was like, wait, what? We just got over this, right? We're punk girls. We're riot girl, right? We can do like that kind of stuff. And it's like, no, no, you can't do that stuff. You have to be these hypersexualized girl pop singers, right? And then that went away eventually, where it was like not cool to be Lady Marmalade.

I'm in lingerie. What point you got to do is there's like, it's always R&B when it's sexualized. Yeah, I was going to say, but I will say that 2014 is when Ariana Grande's My Everything came out. And Ariana Grande wasn't as huge. And that album was produced by Shelbeck and Max Martin, who produced this, who produced 1989 in the same year. and also produce this album. Crazy, yeah. But I mean, I...

Macklebone? I get kind of what she's saying. I do. But only the Supreme of Carpenter example that I just found interesting because that is like, it's very transgressive if you don't listen to like a lot of music.

Well, no, I'm not... I don't think it's transgressive. I just think that... No, no, I'm not saying you. In the pop landscape, I do think there are trends of hypersexualizing women. For sure, for sure.

And I don't think white women in particular. I do think we are starting in a hypersexualizing women trend right now. Like, yes. Though with, again, the racial divide, women here being white women. But I don't think Sabrina Carpenter is being sexualized. I think she's sexualizing herself, which is like a different. I agree, I agree. And I think Christina Aguilera was sexualizing herself as well.

Like I think Christina Aguilera was singing. songs about having sexual agency, and Sabrina Carpenter sings songs about having sexual agency. There's a difference between that and being, oh, I don't want to have sex, but you want to look at me sexually, you know? I think Brittany was more of a, like, I'm just a baby girl, but you're going to look at me sexually in the beginning of her career. I was going to say, but then she went to like, I'm a slave for you.

Yeah. And she was more like, fucking 15 or something in that, like, earlier. That's like so Another Another Matt Martin, by the way Really? Maybe is it one more time Max Martin?

I mean Mac Martin's like the most famous producer in the world He's been around forever I'm not down you I just have no idea I just don't know anything about

Yeah it is Max Martin Yeah he's like the Swedish Swedish right Must be He's like the most Yes Swedish Yeah that makes sense Britney Spears

Backstree boys Selene Dion Insync Ariana Grande Murren 5 Like he's everywhere So the rest of that video was essentially her saying now it seems like Taylor Swift is trying to be sexual in a way that she's never been before. When she used to be romantic, now she's trying to be like, look at me. I'm breaking out of my little girl era.

And it's like, you're 35. It's a little late. And her brand is so set as a brand of romantic poet and not so. it's like she's not being herself by trying to be this like super sexual that's the key phrase right like is in reality like everything's a product and it's silly to ascribe authenticity to it because none of it is it's sold but people there is that uncanny valley to things seeming authentic you can suspend your disbelief a little bit when it's like like ethereal floaty breakup love romance And then as soon as somebody's like, I have sex, by the way, you're like, oh, that's so like down to earth and like normal, now I know that isn't real. There's something unsettling to people about when they can see the performance and see the fakeness. And it was never real. You just remember when Barbie came out and they were posting like tons of behind the scenes images where it's like, it's all real sets.

And it was fake. Like it wasn't real. They were just like, look how real it is. It's because there's something in people that wants to, like, who the fuck? What difference does it make? I think my perspective on this is it like she might be experiencing, you know how famous people are like stunted in the years that they became famous? It locks you in.

I feel like Taylor Swift is experiencing something where she's trying to transition into this new phase of life and it's just awkward and cringe as a result of not of it being an awkward time for her and on the world stage. on the world stage. And I'm not like trying to like infantilize her or anything. I'm just saying that like you're allowed to like not perfectly meet the moment and be cringe and then have everybody criticize you for it because you're the most famous artist in the world.

And it's not be so like insidious or like I guess they're just saying it's bad, which I totally like I don't, I like the music on the album. I don't love a lot of the lyrics. and it is weird having someone who's like been so lyrically lauded feel like they have such clunky and immature lyrics but yeah I don't know do you think there's something to like um because people like relating to lyrics but they also like kind of aspirationly relating to it like oh this is this is what I'll be like or like this could be me if I if everything's going right maybe one day I'll have my heart broken in such a, like, profound way.

And then this is just, writing wood is just so, there's nothing to project onto it. There's just, it's like, it's kind of like, the big day. Like that record is cringed because, like, I love my way. The reaction to Wood that's funny about to me, and I think it hits into what some of her points, is that people are reacting to it, like when Betty White makes a sexual joke. Like, you know, God rest of soul, Betty. White, the late Betty White legend. It's like a cute sweet little darling.

Yeah, like Taylor Swift was our cute little teenage darling and we treated her like that because that was how she became famous and she never had one of those like breakout eras. So now that she's acknowledging sex, it's like running into your teacher at the grocery market. Yeah, that's exactly. But yeah, yeah, the grocery kingdom. Yeah.

And we, to point out before maybe people already made this bad faith criticism, we, we. there's nothing parasocial in our case. I don't know fucking shit about Taylor Swift and I don't have any interest to know anything about Taylor Swift. I just, we're obviously talking about like

the character of Taylor Swift. Right. The cosplay of Taylor Swift because only Travis Kelsey and her extended family know the real Taylor. There is no access we have. I think, well,

that's another reason why it's hard to say authentic because it's like, who knows who this person is except for those closest to her. but um but the you we can talk about the brand that she's presented up until now and then how that differs like i do think like there is uh the thing that interests me is not Taylor swift it's not my cup of tea mean but what does interest me is like the internet landscape reaction yeah and the fact that people are so upset When I heard the album, I was like, this sounds like Taylor Swift to me. I hear no difference. But when you look into the lyrics, I'm like, okay, I see why people see a difference.

Musically, it sounds the same. But I see why people see a difference because they're so used to examining her lyrics and picking them apart and figuring out what the poetry behind. You know, they want to get to the depth of it. And I just don't think there's depth here. But the thing is, like, I do like. Taylor Swift just fine you know she's not like my favorite artist or anything but I've like listened to her albums and I know most of all the the big songs and then I've listened to a few albums here and there and like there's always been like kind of on the nose songs in my mind like

there's the song like if I was a man on like 2019 lover album 2018 2019 where it's like the literally the song is like I get treated different because I'm a woman like if I was a man I'd be the man men have to be like this women have to be like this and it's like and she's like pointing out a truth in society but it is it's not like hidden beneath the surface

it's like an on the surface like premise it's like it's hidden beneath a surface so thin it's like translucent so there's still the you know those toys on your kid and you like put them in the bath and there's a dinosaur like it dissolves away the thing like I there's like Taylor Swift like

15 year old fans going like I did archaeology. I discovered a dinosaur. It's like, sing the logic song that's the suicide hotline and then going, I think this is about mental health. Or listening that and going, that's fucking profound. That's like, that's deep. Whereas like,

now as an adult, I'm like, what? Saying you shouldn't kill yourself? But it's also like there's nothing wrong with the message of the song. It's just also not hidden beneath the surface. You know what I mean? Who can relate? Woo is one of the worst lyric in history. It's like, you know what I mean?

But the song isn't sexual at all, because the song isn't about sex. It's about a woman justifying the fact that she has sex. Taylor portrays herself as being super insecure until Travis Kelsey dignitizes her and opens up her eyes. And keep in mind, white girls cannot be sexual beings. It's not that she has sexual feelings. It's that a man came along and unlocked it in her. The curse on me was broken by your magic wand. Magic wand, also a vibrator, guys.

What the hell? What does that do? Oh, my God. What you mean? And also his dick, by the way. And it vibrates. And the other thing I'll say is that he, she doesn't say dick mitize. She says, ah, maties me.

We're supposed to fill in the blank. I was going to ask, what does that mean? Digmatize? I think she's just self-censoring. Or what is, are you asking? What is Dictmatize? Oh, that's a common term online. It's like, oh, he had sex with me so good.

I was like, whoa. But I mean pun-wise, what is- So it's a common term on TikTok that women use a lot where they're like, you got to get to know a guy well before you have sex with him because if the sex is too good and you find out he's actually a bad boyfriend, you're hooked, you're hooked to the dick.

What is- You're dignitized. But like, this, it's, what's the pun? No, it's not. There's no pun. It's just a term that people use. That's fucking stupid. This is a very old term, by the way.

Like, I think this is like many, many decades. This is before I became sexual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you've never been dignitized by someone. That's true. I guess not. But then it's, it's confused by the fact that she doesn't, she says dick earlier in the album, but then self-censors in this part.

I was wondering if that's because she wants it to be a safe. single. And so she wants it to be like radio ready. Yeah. Is there a, yeah, like maybe a limit to the number or something else? No. No, I think it literally is just the radio is different. But like, why tens of there? I'm not the first song. Probably just to not have two different versions of the. Oh, the other one's not like she's saying that the other one's probably not like single bait. It's probably not going to be a single. It's probably just live on the album. The other song? Yeah. Oh, sorry. I'm with you. I thought you many of the time she says. Yeah. Yeah. It's just in a different song. I am a little bit confused because she's talking about how it's not about sex at all and then she's talking about how No, she's, I think she's saying is that it's sexual agency versus having sex happen to you. Like there's no lyric where it's her being like,

I want to have sex with you, which is weird because there are actually songs in the past of Taylor Swift's where she does say I want to have sex with you. I don't want to have sex with you. Like, I don't want to have sex, but my husband deserves it implicitly or has earned it. It is as about as trad as it gets. Yeah, it's very, it's very trad.

Like, Kevin James, like, my wife never, it's a show called, like, my wife won't fuck me. Yeah. Like, I've got too many kids and they're annoying and my wife won't fuck me. I think it's like, I think she's taught, yeah, I was going to say, I was going to talk about this line as well. You see, you guys, it's not about sex at all. It's about love. His love was the key that opened my thighs. I think the reason she's taking the issue is because of like the direction of the agency, right? It's like he, it's something he does to her.

It's exactly what we said. I only had sex as a reward for him loving me. But this is also the, and I don't think she's doing this on purpose, but that manosphere thing where they talk about a penis as a key. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. They use the key master lock analogy. A lock that gets owned by every key, that's a bad lock. Like, we have to stop talking about, about our private parts as keys a lot. We have to stop doing that.

Don't put it in the door. Taylor Swift is a secret. Red pill. Red pill. Because this album is supposed to be her embodying her sexual energy, thus life of a showgirl. Taylor doesn't actually embody it. She doesn't explore it because the embodiment of her sexual energy would come at the expense of the brand of Taylor Swift.

I do feel like this person has some really good points. and then I also feel like they might be reading too deeply into the tea leaves. Yeah, which I guess probably what is frustrating for the audience is like, I want to read these tea leaves and there's, though, I mean, she's, I certainly not. I don't think she's like giving any credence to Taylor Swift. I guess she's talking about the unsuccessfulness of that goal, right? Yeah, yeah, but it is like, to me it still is shades of the, which dating Travis is a bad idea, by the way. Yeah, that was a real pick by and the good.

It could have been more simply said. I mean, she's making a whole six minute to talk about it. But like, if you had just said, here are the lyrics that lead me to believe this is, there's like not much sexual agency in this. And trying to be a sexual woman on your album. How does she end, by the way? The rest of the video is talking, is her talking about how she wishes there is more of a. brass section in the album because it's called life of a showgirl there's nothing showgirl about it but i think the the the juxtaposition between artists who have sexual agency in their

music the female artists and ones that are objects of sex it's like that's something that i've it's like very blatant and like in my face my whole life yeah and so it I definitely connected with this argument only because of the sexual agency versus like not and we can only speak from like yeah the sympathy not empathy right I don't like have that burden just implicitly the world won't push that on me I think they will they can no I'm too sexy but there's sexy for my shirt there is a

I think an interesting thing where like because you're talking about like her creative like trying to have a very late in life creative puberty basically where she's going into she wants to be in creative adulthood she wants to have that agency and talk about it in that way but just like when you're a little kid

and you start swearing and you can't do it right yeah like what a fucking fuck this shit that's what it feels like oh you would make it a step in the right direction, but the problem is, is that you don't, she's still escaping the, uh, expectation that she's been set in for a while. Like, it's like, well, I can't say like, have sex. I can't like, that's weird. And I, dude, like, like, what ass pussy, dude? I'm not crazy. And I think that someone much smarter than me could, uh, have like really interesting

discourse about this, but I think about, you know, because I can't speak to the like, uh, the little, like, like the thing that I kept having, not an issue, but just like I, I, I can't agree or disagree with that like that's not how like little white girls are supposed to be because I like I don't I can't come from a place of knowledge about that only what I've experienced and saw I was like I think that's a little too narrow but like well she's like the perspective of the market yeah yeah as a she doesn't believe it as a white yeah this is a societal projection this is not truth right yeah yeah so as a woman I was not allowed to be I was only allowed to be a sexual object.

Yes. And any time, even joking around with my friends, and I would say that I'm actually considered brash and annoying by societal standards in how sexual I can be. And so I'll make a joke or something when I was like in middle school or high school, I'd make a joke and people would be like, ew, Anastasia, no. And then people would make a joke about me having big boobs or whatever. and that's okay.

Yeah. And it's like, so if it's coming from me being like, you're not allowed to own it. Boys will be boys, you know, it's that mindset where like the, even the agency to support something is taken away

because as soon as you have some control over the conversation, then I have less control over the time. The additional thing I was going to say that I can't speak from a place of authority on this. But I do think that there's a, like with young black girls, I think there's a push, for like over-sexualization.

And I think about the song that like feels like a song of sexual agency, but I actually don't know the lore is Akia's My Neck My Back, which I heard when I was like entirely too young. It was like, but that was the thing where it's like, I heard the uncensored version because my friend's mom had it on a CD or something like that.

And it was like empowering for her. Yeah. Yes. You know, and, but then the song was like, years later, and I would be curious to like look at when the actual years were, years later the song was released as a single. It was like on BET and stuff. Yeah. It was just like mega censored.

And so it felt like this song that had this like really long life where it was like this underground song. It was kind of how I felt about Tyler Perry plays because that was another thing that like you would see it at somebody's, you'd see it on tape. Like someone, someone's family had like a bootleg Tyler. Perry like play tape. Oh, it's a cousin's friend's copy. Yeah, you'd watch the like bootleg of the of the play. And then later Tyler Perry had his first like big movie. And so everybody went out to go see the movie because it was like everybody was all the black people that I knew were familiar

with his plays. But yeah, there's just like a different cultural thing. And I think it it has stuff to do with the like co-opting sexuality in in blackness for white people where it's like safer to do so whereas like it's it's two sides of the different of it's two sides of a like misogynous coin where you're borrowing for blackness to be sexual and then also the the projection of sexuality on black women like not being able to get away from it even like it's like like the type of thing where and this happens to all women but just like if a woman has curves and is wearing normal clothes they're seen as sexualizing themselves whereas like it's not if someone who wasn't as curvy were exactly the same outfit there it's like you should know what you're do the curse that you're

putting on these men you're telling story of my life but no i i don't want to do that so please like speak i had big boobs my whole lot since i was 11 years old and i would just be wearing i'm sure no one was weird about it right everyone probably know all about it not being every single person was weird about it. Ah, right. So close. Including my parents. And it's one of those things where it's like, I'm wearing a fucking normal shirt that fits

me normal. Yeah. And people are calling me a slut for it, you know? It's like, buy me the thing you think I should. And that on top of you not being able to reclaim that sexuality is like the most devious fucking double-edged sword. Thank God I lived in the 90s because I was like, fine. I'm wearing baggy clothes.

I'm wearing oversized everything. And also that started people calling me fat. Totally another body. Like you literally can't win. You can't. You can't. It's not a merit basis. It's this fake moral system which the ultimate goal is to hate women.

It could be anything. Oh my God, red. Well, and that's the thing. If you have small boobs, well, you're fucked too. It's a lose, lose situation. And then also, regardless of your body, the 90s was also the time when we, We were calling Britney Spears fat for being extremely fit and small. Yes.

We really had no. And by we, I mean like the media magazines. Like this was like it would be on the cover of magazines and shit like that. It was insane. But to your point, I think like women of color are so overly sexualized. Like I am half Cuban, but I'm white. And I think most people to look at me don't know that I'm Cuban, right? So, but that being said, I have curves.

And I do think, uh, um, Latinas, uh, black women are often sexualized at a very young age. Yeah. Like they, like, because you go through puberty, you're like 13, 14 or whatever. And, and I just think it's like, especially with, um, why you're, you know, communities that you grow up with. It's like fucked up how the people compare

girls to each other and their bodies to each other. But that being said, I've heard black artists like Alicia Keys and other musicians who when they were who started young, you know,

started their music career at a young age say I fought against being sexualized like I and actually Genel Monet oh I was just thinking about Genel Monet wearing suits and stuff Billy Elish has talked about this Billy Elish wearing baggy clothes like yeah

like we can even pretend this is like a solved issue right yeah there's so many 16 years old was like why is she dressing like that like are you she should show more of her body is like oh why are you saying and then the moment she's older and

dresses more femininely people are like oh she's fat Why is she in her slut era, blah, blah, blah. Why is she trying to make me want to have sex with her? I will say the ones I laugh at is why is she just like chingy? Because she does like, she does dress. Like there is like a like Cameron like early 2000s rapper core. Well, even people say like Adam Sandler.

Yeah, Adam Sandler. Yeah. Which is cool. He looks fucking sick. I mean, yeah. I mean, hey, look. Come on. She kills.

She looks great. I mean. Hey, come on. But yeah. So I do think with Taylor Swift being like a very slim, uh, white lady. Tall to you. And very tall too. Um, I think she fits a certain stereotype and people want to hold her to that.

Yeah. The tricky thing is what I want is for her to have like, it's fun to, you know, make a little fun of her. It's like a little cringe and she's also, you know, to talk about agency. Her, her, her Wikipedia. list billionaires if it's one of her jobs. It says she's an artist, entertainer and billionaire. It's a lot of work.

You don't you've got to maintain that. There is, in my perfect world, she does this successfully. Yes. It's not, I don't want to stop this attempt at a like tonal transition. It's, I'm cringing at in the same way I would

when my, like, nephew is trying to swear. He's, when he's like learning to do that. I'm like, all right, I can't do this. anything about this? You'll just have to, like, get made fun of a little bit by your friends. The same way that-drey was saying that earlier. The same way that I cringed when Mark Zuckerberg made that song with T-Pain. Oh, wow. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, all right. Yeah, you're, like, extremely powerful and rich, white guy. Insulated quite a bit. You can pay any

artist to collab because everyone has a price. I mean, that is laundering. That is laundering, that is laundering through race, right? That is a, like, I got one. I bought one for this. So I'm, you like me know. I do think to both of your point, maybe this is a weird growing pain. And the next album, she'll figure it out. You know, she'll tweak things and whatever. She's a song called penis. She can't do this in privacy and be awkward. It's like funny to say she's growing up in front of our very eyes when she's 35. But like in a way, but it's also like not to defend her. it's just like to understand the way that people are reacting is kind of interesting because she doesn't need anyone's defense uh i've just never seen this consensus before yeah the consensus is very interesting and it's not new like so many bands and musicians it's like oh i don't like this

album and then their next album you're like oh wow they really found their own you know it's like everyone's gone through this, how many variations has radio had gone through? You know what I mean? It's like, it's not unusual for an artist to be like, I'm going to try to switch things up. And then for people often go back and be like, actually, I'd do really like kid, eh?

That's what I... Maybe people come back and they're like, the little bit where she goes, that's sick. I bet you anything elementary kids are going to be like, that's my favorite Taylor Swift album. Oh, me listening to like FACC on encore, I think? I, dude, I thought that was the

I think it's on Curtin Call The Hits. It might be on FAC. Or it might be on Encore. It was on whatever my first one was. Yeah, I remember it. I remember it being on a... Well, I don't remember, actually. I don't remember.

I remember being like, wow, you're allowed to say this kind of stuff. You're not really. Well, you know, I'll go so far as to say that Wood is a little less explicit than fact, I would say. Go up and look that... By the way, I'm not... Don't look that song up, actually. And I'm not... It's not like an accent thing.

It's not with a G. I want to be... I realize me the way I say it is probably it is the it's the F word with the a instead of a you and it is on and not that F word to be oh shit I'm sorry the curse word fuck it's fuck why are you not saying it yeah it's fuck with an a yes the better version because otherwise the song would be gross it's super gross don't look it out it's really it's so gross and I was in middle school it wasn't current call the hits by the way and in 2005 I was a child It's a good, it's a collection. Greatest Hits album.

I want to look at the explaining dirty lyrics of wood on Jimmy Fallon because that is like quintessentially what I'm talking about when I say we're reacting to it like Betty White like made a sex joke. Also Jimmy Fallon. That's why also it's funny. Just random note about Jimmy Fallon. It's obviously very easy to make fun of it. But there is something about his posture

that I say this was shame. I relate to a lot The way, even in the opening of this You'll see he like drifts constantly So you're just like Bradley Cooper or something You're like coming to talk about Yeah, you're talking about Hangover 9 Perfect incredible smile

And then I kind of go like So This guardians of the galaxy Right? Yeah Are you on set as the little raccoon Or that's just voice? All my voice Oh, the Rizzler!

Okay, let's watch his Tokyo drifting of the body. Should we transition to wood? Yeah, get it, girl. She's blushing. Oh, my God. He's sitting at his laptop like I do. Like, if I'm at a cafe or something, he's on shoulders. Dude, Jimmy Fallon, he looks like me after I wake up, and I'm like,

mad at the world. They're like for disturbing my rest. Yeah. Why am I hung over? Like, when you drank? I also really didn't like that he, didn't he come out and say that he wasn't going to get political on his show

after the, after Trump calls for him to be taken up the air. He's never been political. I know, but I'm like, bro, have a backbone. Just like, you ruffled Trump's hair in 2016.

Yeah, all you have to do is say, hey, bro, this sucks. It's not political. The president said you should be fired. Yeah, it's like, well, Maga, I feel like is taking advantage of this moment. Jimmy Kimmel off air to get away from us too scary all right W OOD by the way if anyone's uh watching that does yeah yeah W OOD like

wooden yes thanks man da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da knock on wood the hell was going on that was like unnerving they like had a fucking sleeper cell activation this album just came out I wonder if they had the lyrics up Honestly, like six hours, then the Swifties will have it down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, if these are just, it's just an audience, a jury of her peers, aka Swifties,

then it makes sense. But it is, I don't know why it's making me uncomfortable. It makes me uncomfortable. It doesn't make me uncomfortable during a concert. It's just that why are they playing? I don't know, it's weird, okay. It just came out. I brought this into the studio and I was like,

I wanna do sort of like a, I wanna like do a throwback kind of timeless sounding song, and I have this, idea about like I got to knock on wood and we would knock on wood and it would be all these superstitions and it really started out in a very innocent place you know it started out like we need that it's like the roots are a musical robot that can only make beeps and boops i don't know what happened man i went off the rails i got in there we started viving and jim and i don't know i I don't know how we got here, but I love this song so much.

It's perfect. It's perfect the way it is. It is kind of like, yeah, not addressing it. Oh, he's done. And addressing it. They're still going to talk a little more. This is the Sabrina Carpenter one. No, Jimmy.

But that is funny. Like, it is funny that like it's just not, it's very tongue-in-cheek. It's like you guys know what it's about. Everyone claps. That was her little intro thing too on Spotify. Oh, that's another thing that we should talk about that annoyed me. I'm going to be honest. There's a track by track.

We were listening to it or I was forcing everyone else to listen to it before as we were setting up this morning. I wanted to listen to classical music. Yeah. It's the life of a showgirl track by track version. And it includes like her describing every song. But because the songs aren't like the deepest things in the. the world, the explanation is like, it'll be a song called Ruin the Friendship.

And then she goes, yeah, so this is a song about ruining the friendship. It's like a friendship that wasn't ruined. And then you know how sometimes you ruin a friendship? Anyway, here's Ruin the Friendship by me, Taylor Swift. Do you ever see the video that's Gabby Hannah doing genius for a monster or whatever? Like, maybe I'm the mon. And then like, so it's like if I were the monster. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

him, uh, then in all the long, maybe I'm on, she, like, has the voice crack. And then it peaks. And she's like, yeah, but what if I've been here all along? Oh, fuck. She hasn't said anywhere this is about penis. It's just every time she talks about it, she winks. Do we have the Travis Kelsey comment? Look, I think, I think it speaks volumes that, like, even in anecdotally, like, you can't say it out loud.

But that I don't think there's any setting where she's going to say, it's about penis, which would be going Fallon. That's how I would say it. Hey, did you know it's about penis? Did you know that word is also a word for penis? I like that on Access Hollywood, it's just so funny to look at how like old media talks about this.

Travis Kelsey reacts to Taylor Swift's a racy song. It's not really a racy song. It's impogging. It's like it's like it's, it is interesting what, because Taylor Swift is Betty White, what how little it takes for something to be racy, meanwhile, like Madonna is 50 and is making songs called like, fuck me now, please. And they're not like, they're not like going, ah, Madonna's so wacky and wild.

I think this actually does talk into like, and it's, you know, Sarah Silverman maybe is not making the most, the best comments recently, maybe not a particularly base person. But they did have like this interesting insight a handful of years ago where like every time Sarah Silverman puts out a special, the phrasing instead of Bill Burb, puts out controversial new special, doesn't have any sense, like, says what's on his mind. And then when she puts one out, it's potty mouth Sarah Silverman says cheeky stuff.

Yeah, it's like infantilizing. Yes, you're a, if you can believe a woman. You've been a bad girl. Yes. Yeah. Which I think is where like, like, like, whap, right? Yeah. That is a track where it's, it almost feels like it is like, no, don't call me potty about, I'm gonna go so hard, like,

I'm not gonna let you call this potty mouth or cheeky. And then people just did, did anyway. It's like, pottymouthed, Cardi B. But it is a thing where I do think Riz and like actual, like being able to sell it has a big impact because certified freaks seven days a week, that works for Cardi B. I feel like it would sound cringe if Taylor Swift said it. I'm not savage.

That's the other thing. I'm not a bad bitch and this isn't savage. That's another layer, by the way. People were thinking that was like a dig. No way. Like Megynastalian? Yeah. Oh, that's crazy.

Savage? Saying like, I'm not a savage. I mean, I would hope not. I hope not to because that feels right. That's not being online, I 100% agree with that. I'm not a tribal savage. I don't think that makes sense in the context of what that song is about.

That's what I mean, like, being on lie list, I don't know if, like, has Megan the Selian posted about her or something. But it is, okay, I can understand how someone would take away. Because it's a song where she goes, I'm not a bad bitch. and this isn't savage and it's and it's like it's cutesy to say that it kind of is like when

you sing Baby Got Back as an acoustic song you know but in the same way that singing when Jonathan Colton sings Baby Got Back as an acoustic song or that Atlanta episode makes fun of like white artists doing

acoustic versions of rap songs it is a little bit of a those are the black words imagine I did that like not normal bad bitch just feel it's, I wouldn't call it AVE, but it definitely feels like, yeah, it's, I mean, like, would this have come across Taylor Swift's desk without black culture? Yeah, and so that's the thing or it's like when you're saying, I'm not that, I can see Jacob why some people might see it as a slight.

It's like, who is a savage? That's the thing. It's like, do you mean internet trolls? Yeah. It is a little bit of a cutesy, like, like a little cutesy, like a little cutesy, I'm just a girl. I'm just a little girl. That's the thing is, like, you could maybe say, well, people are reading too much in. And I'm like, well, lyrics aren't just what you write down.

It's what you don't put. And, like, people are clamoring. They want, you know people are desperate to read into your work. That's what happens. And if you're going to be, I don't know, if you were just like. The Charlie X-A-X stuff is really, like, direct. I do feel like, it's interesting to, because that song's about, that's like the internet haters song, right?

Yeah, the trolls and memes. is that eldest daughters the trolls and memes so so it does make sense that she's like look I'm sensitive I'm not like these other people who can take online hate it's like no one can take on online hate is shitty in general but then she's also like she's also like your your hot takes are actually cold and I don't actually none of this affects me by I'm actually laughing I'm actually laughing I'm not owned they don't even know standing in the corner meme they don't even know i'm not a savage all right jason and travi let's talk about the new racy song the uh charresard charmelian this is like the same phenotype

but like yeah cop code firefighter cop oh for sure wood great great soundtrack oh how do you feel about wood let's ask this how do you feel about wood it's a great song it's a great song do you feel like that do you feel are they all like is he waiting for marriage is he saving himself or something why is everyone being so chaste i feel like that's the that's the like taylor switch marketing arm well and their marketing arm as well like they what is they are very my their podcasts i think appealing to their audience is access hollywood posting about a show called new heights Which is, which is Travis and Jason Kelsey's podcast. They have a podcast together.

Yeah. And so. I think their fans would be the type to be like, he, it's funny because that, like, it's a bit of a cake and eat it issue, right? Well, like, you want to have the cake of being a little or acy online, but you also don't want to get in trouble.

So you want the eating of innocence. It's bad analogy. It's kind of my job. The thing that. comes with doing an edgy song is that you have to acknowledge that it's an edgy song. You can't then go on like, if like Bill Burr puts her like, I'm a bad boy special, you can't, don't sense to me crossing my arms on the cover. And then goes on like, uh, like Mark Marin or something and he's like, what do you mean by, uh, you always thought like Saudi people

would be savages? And he goes like, I'll never tell. Well, I think that like, it's a secret. I think that this is we've we've brushed up against like a mainstream media sensibilities where where uh wap actually is a racy song yeah um and taylor swift's song wood is honestly not really racy there's maybe two lyrics that allude to sex this is like it's what you'd write as a virgin it's like the song you write as like it's what I would write to be like yeah I've had sex for the first time and I've done it

by the way and it's a door that it was unlocked with a penis size key let's see if they say I have very interesting do they say the actual words do you feel cocky can you feel cocky about the song would no like the whole

any song that you know that's not just That's not just any song. It's very like... This is a very specific you. I love that girl, so what do you mean? Any song that she would reference me in any... Well, it's not just you, though.

It's an appendage. It's not just you as a... It's a very specific thing. I think you're not understanding this song. Jesus Christ, Travis. Come on. No way. That's it.

That's... I can't tell is he just like... He's just being... They're just being... They're just being... They're doing a bit. They're being just silly boy. And I got no problem.

I actually like, I got no. They have their mom on and stuff. Like, it's not a podcast where they're talking about. With the Kelsey's really. I guess it's more an indictment of just like America's relationship with sex reality in general. Exactly. It's a moral failing. It's like because it's a real, um, litmus test is like how sexual can can mainstream American society get about.

It's like how Hawk Tool Girl became famous because it's like, oh my God. What the fuck? He said the craziest thing. And then went on to, like, not really be allowed to talk about sex. Like, it kind of could, but it wasn't the brand anymore. It became like, it's a downhome country girl, actually. But if you look at, like, how she was interviewed and stuff in mainstream, it's like, and now you became famous from saying a special little thing.

He's like, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, well. I'm going to bed. Not y'all. Not y'all. You're scary. Wait, what did she say that was that kind of agro on that call where she was like, well, then why are you here then? Like that.

What are you doing here, coffee dealer? What are you doing here, Dan? Yep, not y'all. Not y'all. I'm going to bed. I think there is a 100%. If people are like hanging at my place and I'm like too tired of going to take and I go to bed, 100% chance I say, not y'all, I'm going to bed.

All right. Anything else we should get to before we wrap? That's a charming little hat. I mean, I like Jason Kelsey. He looks like early 1900s farmer in Wales or something. Yeah, he looks like he'd have a Scottish accent. or like a Welsh accent. That is the nicest suit in the United Kingdom

circa 1920. One big thing that we didn't touch on was speculation on like some sort of beef with Charlie XX. Oh yeah. Where there is, I think what's boiled down to sort of like a misunderstanding.

It seems like, yeah, there's a lyric on the album where, well, it seems that Charlie XX XX misunder, no, that Taylor misunderstood a Charlie XX lyric as a slight, against her when actually it was about how she like Taylor Swift is a trigger for her own like self-rescentment. That's right.

She's insecure about Taylor Swift and Taylor Swift took that lyric, which I'm not familiar with. It's like a you suck. But then they also both are like connected to, uh, like isn't Charlie X-A-X, is she married or is she dating somebody in the 1975? Where is Kelsey? Because I, I know there's like a Maddie Healy connection. I forgot about all that. Dude, I don't care. George Daniel.

the drummer for 1975. So I feel like there's some other stuff there. That is kind of a funny equivalent. It is like the tier down from being the lead of a band. Taylor Swift has had beefs before, beaves. I'll call them. I do. And so I think it's not unlike her to beef with someone.

But that being said, this feels like such a non thing. Yeah. And I think Charlie X, X, X is like, whatever. I wonder, yeah. I think for the same reason it's cringe to post about online stuff. Just like it's cringe for like Ricky Jervais to do a special way. Like he fell off the moment he started on fucking screen at his show was putting up a big tweet he was mad about fucking washed.

Why are you doing? Go in a carapace, you're a tired. Put yourself in a mummy with the temple with all your servants at that point. You can't have like petty beef when you are very famous. When you have so much power, it doesn't it? I don't actually know what this is. I just found. Okay, apparently everyone's, I mean, Anthony Fantano did the eyes emoji, so I assume this is like a response in some way.

He's just looking at it. Yeah, I don't know what this means. I don't know. I guess it's like. Yeah, what does that mean? Let's find a blot-loading. Is this about to be the new Drake Kendrick? See, that person said the same thing.

That sounds like that Beatle song to me, a day in the life. It sounds like the start of the, what is it, in some theaters, they're like, T-Hs Okay, people call her Kendrick X-E-X need to relax The He's much shorter than though See, I didn't look

Charlie I like I like I had a brat summer You know Like we all did I thought the The Green Day beef was a little strange Yeah I don't But it's fine

Who cares If you know what that means You might be a redneck Let us know in the comments You might be a Swifty Is this true Girl Boss too close to The son, a comedian claims she came up with the phrase.

Oh, my God. You should be so ashamed of that. So this is a video of her saying that she had come up with the phrase phrase in this original video in 2021. Ooh, I wonder if I said it before then. I don't know. I feel like everyone said that. But I do think at some point, everyone has said that. Yeah.

Have you ever done that where it's like you came up with something? You like, you remember saying a phrase. I'm like, did I come up with that? I know. I know when I said it, I hadn't come up with it. I came up with what literally I think I was the first person to say in an email exchange. Nice to e-meet you. So I literally, I think I was the first one.

I saw it since, but not when I started. I just like, there have been many times where I'm like, I just came up with the funniest thing. And then I realized like, no. Someone else is done. It's actually from a movie I saw a long time ago or whatever. I had to give, I thought I'd come up with a completely original. maybe on one episode of the show

next hour Austin is in town we will just read through the lists we screenshot and send to each other of just nonsense and one of them that I thought was entirely mine but it was just slightly adjusted from a joke that Katie told

was not fair was you know you've seen dude this is with the Madoon heads out there yeah Nissan Aldraev right but it turns out she'd done the Nissan part

my edition was Aldraeve no I like that it's like a friend is drunk and you take their keys and it's like Nissan I'll drive you know I love foundation of the joke explaining it so it's funny I love that you explained it to me uh I'm gonna actually remind us in that I'm gonna write down to some point that me and us this list oh yeah just of nonsense uh okay well everyone knows everyone comes to us for the Swifty breakdown um welcome to the White Woman report I will say that I will say that I reached out to a Swifty in my life to get a to

get a comment on this album I sent Ellie I said before we talk about Taylor Swift on Sad Boys Tomorrow do you have any thoughts you'd like us to share she said oh mini but mostly I think you guys are thinking about Taylor Swift too much as much as and this is not us but like in general

the discourse and then also you need to take some time off to relax and bounce on some dick and maybe you'll get it also it's a really fun album but I'm like I think musically it's fun I just think it's a little cringe and that's Fine.

People are way overreacting. It is the first time I've hit play on a Taylor's Whip album and literally, maybe ever in my life. I've heard like the singles, obviously, you know, I don't know. I had a decent enough time. I'm not going to listen to it again, but it was. I might. When I'm feeling like a, I'm feeling like knocking on wood or something.

Not a savage. When I'm not feeling like a savage or a bad bitch. But yeah, I mean, none of it's not that serious. We are all obviously talking about it from the, isn't it interesting that people are making such a big stink about it? I guess we didn't talk too much about the tweet. like but but when the initial tweets came out when the album dropped it was like wow the album's actually really bad I thought these leaks were fake like oh no like and then

people are screen capping some of the lyrics that we've we've talked about and being like oh god like I can't believe it's this bad yeah there's uh um Taylor Lorenz does her sort of like meme compiling and tweet compiling on Instagram is as if Dubai matcha pistachio chocolate Colleen Hoover Books and Lubbubu all had a baby with AI oh okay this is what Taylor is with Charlie Destructly sounds like sorry I didn't text you back I was too busy fantasizing about an imaginary karaoke performance in which I cover Fleetwood Mac and blow the crowd away that's me actually that's not about that's me podcasting speaking of AI I want to

start a conspiracy that the intro to the track by track thing on Spotify is an AI voice clone of Taylor Swift. Can we play it? It's four seconds long. Are you AI investigating her? I'm about to AI investigate this one four second clip. And she's good. This one? Yeah, this one. All right, listen. Hey, this is Taylor Swift. Welcome to the life of a showgirl track by track listening experience. You are 900,000 percent correct. It's just for that track. Just for that. The other tracks sound more. It's conversational. Because I guess why wouldn't you? Like, oh, we forgot.

That's, it literally seems like a we forgot. Because this isn't like the most important thing. I'm, to be honest, confused that it exists. You know what else though? It could be just such an aggressive noise gate. I, yeah. It's like snapping too hard. But that type of noise gating, because we listen to all the track by tracks,

doesn't appear anywhere else. In fact, I heard a crossbade in one of them. It's, or they took too many different parts of the, several takes and put them together. And so it sounds unnatural because it's the intonation of her voice that makes it sound. Exactly. It sounds like neutral. It sounds like Spotify.

Yeah. Hey, this is Taylor Swift. Welcome to the life of a showgirl track by track listening experience. It's a horrible way to get off. It's like get offing on the wrong foot. Bigly. I do you think, is the the track by tracks themselves, do they have the music in the background or it's just? No, no.

It's like, it's basically a 30. second intro to each song. I was just imagining that you listen to it with the track in the background and then listen to the track again and then listen to the next track and then again. It's a commentary. It would go great. It's commentary. Okay, well, that was fun.

I hope it was fun. I hope that was fun. Well, we had fun. Well, we do have fun. Anastasia's shaking their head and banging their fist on the... I had a horrible time. Just kidding. I had fun, y'all.

This is Taylor. I had fun, y'all. This is your girl, Taylor. We're going to do a track by track. Wait, let me, let me do it. Hello, this is Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. I'm not saying Taylor Swift is a robot.

I'm saying that particular clip sounded weird. It's edited, it's edited weird. If it's not AI, it's just someone producing it. You have 10 seconds to comply. Knocking on metal penis. You have 10 seconds to get hard. That is, that's a little reference to one battle after another. Oh, a movie that I saw.

I haven't seen it. We, you have to see it. I don't have to do it. we'll talk about that and more on sad boys nights sad boys nights uh we at every episode of uh fucking we do an a i version uh we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're sorry e e whir song hi testing testing am i loud i'm in the jordan seat yeah how's that feel uh it's strange it's it's warm It's weird, right? Is the seating experience interesting?

Are you also hyper aware of the legs? I know for a fact from experience that this couch is hard to sit on. This is one of the most uncomfortable couches I've ever sat on. Yeah, and this used to be Jarvis's main living room couch, and I would dog sit and stuff, and I would be like, what are we doing here? What are we doing? There's no, like, give or springingness to it. It's like an old tiny couch that's just stuff full of, like, hay. And it's just like

Goochie girl How you doing How you moving girl? Moving all How's you dead looking that future girl Yeah we're on now Take my money Go away

Are you wanted Go too rich for me