Sad Boyz - Telekineses School Is A Scam (w/ Travis McElroy)

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Travis McElroy joins Jarvis and Jordan to discuss ADHD, productivity, Telekinesis school, and blad master "samuraidad1" Sad Boyz Nightz #100 Weekly bonus episodes for only $5/mo at: https://patreon.com/sadboyz Join our Discord ▸ https://discord.gg/Hw82Dhun4m P.O. Box ▸ 3108 Glendale Blvd Suite 540, Los Angeles CA 90039 Play Sad Boyz BINGO ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/bingo Write To Us ▸ [e-mail] Use the subject line "Pen Palz" and we could read it on the next episode! Our Links ▸ https://linktr.ee/sadboyzpod 00:00:00 Ratatouille is a Gundam 00:09:12 Finding Balance 00:13:09 ADHD, Task Switching 00:17:27 Sponsored By: Squarespace 00:18:32 Youth Consuming Media 00:27:31 Sad Boyz Nightz #100 00:28:34 Parenting 00:32:23 Rejection Sensitivity 00:43:07 Doing Emotional Work 00:48:12 Kae Chi Society (Telekinesis School) 01:00:09 The Way Of The Blade 01:13:25 Historical Tech

Welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis I'm Jordan and shoutouts to Bruce Almighty for teaching me be a beautiful. Yeah That's a good Travis and I always say Wednesday in my head every single time every single time It does seem at certain point. I still occasionally will use the excuse when I misspell something that has no Like alternative British spelling or like I must be like a Brit. Yes, I'm a British thing So I can do it. Or any mistake I make in my life. It must be like something else.

We had a fun one today. If you're comfortable with me mentioning, we were recording ads before this. Depends on how nice the comment is. And the word specialty comes up. And so, Jordan said specialty, but then he was like, or should I say speciality? And, or is that a British thing?

And I'm like, I don't even know if that's a word. I was, I remember saying on the show, I remember saying, which one should I do so people make fun of me the least. But now that both have been presented to the audience and they can choose which one they want to make fun of me for, go ahead, head on down to the comments. But you, you said it right to your credit. It's normal.

And whichever one you like is the one. But you did, you offered something where it's like, I don't know where this is coming from, but here it is. I definitely said it. It feels so contextual. I'm trying to think of like, oh, that's my specialty. But like, if I was talking about like a restaurant, I think I would be like, and that's their speciality.

Right? Yeah, it's like, is speciality a thing? It does sound like you put a little extra twang on it. Until I think about it, it feels like a thing when you're like, I'm joking about how fancy I'm trying to sound like, that's my speciality. Or his divorce. Nothing you saw.

Yeah. I wait. Now I'm flushing back the nostalgia and Ratatouille style to that moment saying, did I, which one did I say? Who am I? Can we agree that Ratatouille is a mech anime? Huh. Yeah, like a Gundam?

Yeah, he's like a Gundam. Yeah, no, it's not, Linguini. Linguini, which by the way, may as well be the name of an Evangelion. I would say, I love Ratatouille. I've seen it so many times. It's like my wife's favorite Pixar movie, watched it so many times.

And every time they say his name is Linguini, I always think, why did you do that? Because it's such a specific choice. Nobody else in the movie has like food names, right? He's not Italian. He's not even French like this is linguine I spent like why was like it feels like something from a previous draft, right? Put name here less Italian name feels like rude right if he was Italian it would be like a Derogatory, yeah, you could call it a spaghetti over they made him kind of like gangly and like noodly and it's like it feels like a

Mean nickname and now it gets real name. It does feel meta like it's a movie about pasta ostensibly You know, it's like I guess you'll be like they just wanted to make it really clear like he's not the protagonist Right named him language. main characters the rat. We don't want you to remember his name cool name. This is Linguini Dork, don't worry about him. What's so anything that happens to him is not important. The rats important Does the rat also can they communicate verbally to Linguini? Yeah No, there's a lot of like charades. Or only through like teasing. Whatever he's doing. This is what's interesting. This is the mind-body connection.

Linguini does comment on like, you can understand me. And then he just kind of moves past that. Where I always feel like if I was in that position, I would have so many more questions. Like, do all rats understand me? Do all animals understand me? And all rats cook. Like, do you understand human concepts? Like, do you, like, do you grieve?

Cause I grieve. Do you grieve? Like, I'm gonna ask, like, this rat so many deep questions. You're, like, showing him the trolley problem. Is there rat heaven? Do you guys have a religion? Do you think your soul is smaller? Yeah. Or just the body?

Do you, like, have a system of currency you use? What kind of trade and barter system are you into? And instead he's just like, these are great questions. Cool, man, come with me. You live in my apartment now. Do you want to pull my hair? Yeah, it's just like, cool man, come with me. You live in my apartment now. It's like if I found out my dog could talk and I just went, ah, cool.

Yeah. I just moved on. Oh, awesome. I'll see you later, man. Maybe we'll play a board game together or something. Like that's as far as my curiosity. Me talking to my dog is basically charades. I think if, uh, if my talk started speaking to me, I'd be like, wow, this is so exciting. And then she pee, so boring. Be like, you heard about her bones? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I bought them for you.

My dog would just be like, I wanna sit on you. Can I sit on you? I'm gonna lick your face now. And I'd be like, I already knew you wanted to do that. You're not telling me to ask. Now it's actually weird, because you said, and that's the other thing is Linguini never is like, and can you talk to me?

Why are you fluent in human English? Are you not saying shit, huh rat? What's up? What do you know? Come did can you write can you write your name down or something like grow up? Yeah, is it an oversight that ratatouille isn't the name of the rat because I yes I that's always confused me because it is something that I would say a lot of people think I would hazard to say 60% of people who've seen that movie one time mom it's like Coco right Coco is not the name of the boy right Coco is the name of his like great movie I'm a boy but then I'm a skeleton yeah skeleton skeleton adventure boy I'm so in the afterlife. Even, I remember just a dead boy. A dead boy.

A dead child comes back. A dead child, don't worry. Baby shoes never worn. Baby shoes worn a little bit, didn't fit. Didn't fit, but I guess never worn sounds scarier. I've talked about this many times. I think we've talked about it on My Brother, My Brother, Me. That like, if the rest

you're like, what's the next sentence in that story? It's like, baby shoes never worn, baby had two big feet. Right, right, right. Okay. I buy it, baby was born, big feet, just didn't fit, nothing sad, should have clarified, nothing sad. Baby shoes, feet, wrong way around. It feels like a glass half full situation

where it really does depend on your worldview, how you interpret that. Oh, baby shoes are never worn. Never worn, thought baby would be more athletic. Right. She doesn't wanna. I run a shoe distributor. You know what I mean?

Baby lazy, baby shoes never worn. Turns out I can't wear these. Yeah. Too small. Baby shoes never worn, had a baby shower, got two pairs, don't need both. Right. Baby shoes never worn. Why do babies need shoes?

They're not walking. Baby shoes never worn. I realized I don't have a son. Yeah. I don't know what I was thinking. A manic episode, bought a bunch of baby shoes. I don't know what I was thinking. Amazon error. I got two pairs. I got baby shoes. Do you need them? Do you need them? Yeah. I was in that mood to buy something, but I got too many office supplies already. I think maybe the weirdest thing that people don't talk about with that short story is

that if the story is like, I have these baby shoes and my baby died and now I'm selling them. I want to make a profit on this. Top dollar, If the story is like I have these baby shoes and my baby died and now I'm selling them Top dollar like right now like five dollars or better on stock X They take it into the store they smell the bottom of it baby she's never worn everyone grieves in their own way $5.00. Oh, bo. I like, I know what I have, mint condition baby shoes. It's like an eBay listing. Yeah. Beanie baby baby shoes, never worn. This one's the, I know a lot of the Beanie Babies aren't worth any money, but this one

specifically quite- These are baby shoes for your Beanie Baby. Beanie baby shoes. Beanie baby baby shoes. Baby shoes worn by famous babies. Never worn by babies, worn by beanie babies. One one on each toe. Big feet. Thought my friend had a baby.

It was a dog. I got confused. Never worn. Dog shoes, worn a little. Worn by a baby. Long description. Like one of those Amazon titles, it's like, milk container contain milk party fun every afternoon,

evening, summer, winter. Before I knew about drop shipping, I would come upon those things and it would be like, main shirt, gothic, dark, silk or whatever. I'm like, who wrote this? And then I was like, oh, they're trying to hit all of the search terms. It happens with stock photos as well,

which is very fun because you can find a stock photo for just about anything. And I don't remember why, but I was looking for stock photos of someone sitting on the toilet. Okay. I think I know why. Yeah. Again. I wanted, I was potty training myself.

I just bought a new external hard drive and needed to fill it up. Yeah, I was like, what am I gonna do with all this space? And yeah, no, it's like- Looking for glossy J-Pigs. Potty, if you die, sitting man squat bathroom. If you died and I found that hard drive, I've got to tell someone.

Oh yeah. I don't wanna spread it publicly. It seems a little disrespectful, but Anastasia, absolutely tell me. Notably, there's no- I assumed you meant like the authorities. I've got it, we got him. We got him.

I think I know how he died. He got flushed. It would be funny if there was no watermark, so I like paid money for like the full download of the stock photos. Is that me? Why did he do that? Hey, there's water, did he, a lot of these are like,

he went, he like screenshotted the screen and then Photoshopped the photo. Right. And then saying, he went to a lot of effort. A lot of effort to save these. To get these man sitting on a toilet I upscaled them didn't all look so sad Crying on the toilet really nice though, and I will take this

He's photo shot himself in comforting them I guess that's nice. I mean that is really the thing wait. What's that behind his back? We got a story we got him again. We got him again double got did we? I'm Travis Travis is here. How you doing? I like that. That's a good sad boy. Yeah, you know, here's the thing sweeping Sort of feels a little bit like things are coming apart at the seams. Oh, yeah, overall feeling. Okay Big relate. I was telling the team before this Can I feel that way about myself? Yeah condition they or just just like, you know

There's like so I'm pretty good like in a crisis right and like problem-solving and everything and then every so often it'll be like Well, there's like nine things happening at once right now, or it's like back to back to back. Yeah. Like on the 27th, I think of December, like my water heater busted, rusted out the bottom. I just heard that happen to Anastasia too, bummer. Copycat.

And mine was like a 30 year old water heater, you know, it was in the house when we bought it. And, cause it would be weird if it was somewhere else. It was on the roof. Water heater, never worn. Baby boiler never used. Thankfully. I promise.

Why did we make it? And it like rusted out the bottom and like flooded our base. It was like a 75 gallon water heater. And we had put in like these, uh,oring pieces that had like little raised plastic feet so that the concrete would still like dry and all this stuff. And so basically, we didn't find it out until it was like above that. And we were like walking around. And it was like, Okay, well, you have to deal with this right now. And in like two hours are supposed to be at my in-laws for like my in-law Christmas. Oh my gosh. And so it was like that. And then it's just like one thing, you know, and stuff going on in the world. There was a snowstorm in Cincinnati,

like three days before I came here and then I come here and there's like the fires in the mountains. It's a little apocalyptic for the start of the year. It starts to feel like there's just so much. And like, as far as my life goes personally, it's like, oh, it's okay. You know, stuff happens and it's fine. And I was talking with my friend about this the other day,

I was talking with my wife about this too, of you see in movies and TV shows a lot where there's strife and they're just like, I'm not happy. And I was watching Shrinking with Jason Seagal and I wasn't watching it with him, he's in it. He wasn't over my shoulder. What do you think so So what do you think?

Any notes? I'm in this because that really I mean, when he comes a good part, he's not a fun hang when you're watching his. No, I can imagine. Because he gets you can tell if you're not laughing at all the jokes. He gets really moved. Yeah. He'll pause it and explain the joke to you. Right. So like Marshall's kind of a goofball, right? You get it.

And he was naked when he turned around and you could see his dick. And that's funny, right? You get it. No, but you didn't laugh. Watch it again. Yeah, watch it again, slow mo. My cock. And there's, like, a lot of that, like, I'm not happy. And, like, that's not how I feel.

But what I feel like is, like, I think I could be more happy. I think that there could be steps taken. And is that an achievement or a failure, right? Because it may be fun to see, oh, and there's even more on the horizon, or, oh man, I haven't even reached the horizon yet. Well, see, that's the thing is I think that there's definitely like a trick to it of like, I'm one of those people who thinks like, you know, listen, life, it ain't, it's finite, you know what I mean? And so if you're not like constantly thinking about like, I don't want to say constantly, because that makes it sound like

an obsession, but like improving yourself or like finding new things and new experiences and being open to things. But then not turning it into like, I'm never satisfied and I'm never happy. Oh yeah. Right. Of like finding that balance of like, yeah man, listen, like am I open to new things? Am I looking for new things? Making it a want, not a need. Yeah, right that balance of like, yeah man listen, like am I open to new things? Am I looking for new things? Making it a want not a need. Yeah, right? I was like, I like to analyze like where I'm at and be like, yeah, you know what, I'm doing fine. Right? But it's like, is there like something fulfilling that I'm not doing right now? And that kind of thing. I don't want to over-medicalize it,

but I mean, we're all relating on the same thing and a shared trait that we talked about briefly last night is ADHD. Yes. That's something we have now. Also, the- Yeah, dopamine is a real symbiote. The single- we were talking before the show about a single focus on a game. And that feels very ADHD to me.

It like activates the same part of my brain where I'd be like watching the TV, I'd be watching Power Rangers on the TV as a kid and my mom would tell me to clean my room and I would emotionally not be able to handle the fact that I was being asked to change activities. To pivot. Yes. It's not even the activity that's an issue. What? No!

I have to watch Power Rangers. What if I die? This is the thing, like when I was a kid, I talked to my mom about, and now like me and I talked to my wife about, of like if I'm in the middle of like doing like a chore or in the, and you're like, oh, when you're done with that, can you do this?

I'm like, please don't do that. Because like now I'm thinking about that thing and my gears have started shifting of like, I can make a list. We can talk before I get started on the thing. We'll talk about everything that he's done. And I love that. But if I'm like mid doing something,

I have to be dialed into it. Because surprise, I don't want to be cleaning things. Yeah. So I'm either completely dialed in or I'm like, I don't want to be doing this. List is nice because then it's like, it's, it's kind of like the difference between having a set list that you're going to play. Or like we're watching it's a double feature and what we're watching these tonight. And then you know, in the back of your mind, like, okay, well, two towers and fellowship. Yeah, those together, in the back of your mind, like, OK, well, two towers and fellowship. Yeah, those together.

That's this long as opposed to like, don't know one movie. And like, should we watch another one? I'm like, I don't know. If we had planned to, I'd be totally down to. It's time to do the other thing I was going to do right now. Yeah. I don't know if this connects for you, but when you were describing the feeling like there's nine things on top of one another. That feels like a neighbor of the same feeling where it's like, oh, I'm already trying to pick myself up

out of the mud because things are not going according to plan right now. And now you're adding more, you know, wrenches into the plan. I've heard ADHD described before as like, it's not, it's like a difficulty to prioritize things, right? So like one of the reasons that making lists is a thing, like I'll make lists and then prioritize that list

of like, and this is the thing that if I don't get done today, it's a problem. And this is the thing I'd love to get done today, but if I do it tomorrow, that's okay, right? Because if I don't prioritize it, everything feels equally prioritized. There's only now, like the default is like now or later. Yes.

And that's why you need to like introduce like an external prioritization to organize your mind. Right, because it's like all of these things need to get done. I mean, that's the benefit of, because of, you know, everybody can appreciate the experience, but body doubling the experience of having somebody else doing anything shared with you while you do something that you need to do or is

productive. I think part of why I enjoy that when it's available. Me and Anastasia, we do like, you know, Tuesdays just to share space. I occasionally do like body doubling streams where it's just like, I need to get work done. So here I am on Twitch getting work done, feel free to get work done. So here I am on Twitch, getting work done. Feel free to get work done while I do it. I'm doing writing. Is now. Yeah, that's all the videos on my channel as well.

Yeah, just because I can't ability. It's like helpful to have the accountability. It's also grounded because like we were talking last night, like issues with like time blindness and just being like, how long have I been doing this? Have I been doing this long enough? I'm sitting here, nothing's getting done. And like having another person in the room is very like, how long have I been doing this? Have I been doing this long enough? I'm sitting here, nothing's getting done. And like having another person in the room is very like, okay, great.

There's some kind of like anchor point. You know, there's a constant of like, it hasn't become a big whirlwind of like swirling, like time has passed, I don't know how much, what is going on? It's like, I can be like, okay, they're still working, so I should still be working. Is this thing a big deal that I'm looking at that I've been anxious about? Because it's a two minute task, but I've been putting it off.

I remember for months I had to, a lot of stuff you end up doing with the visa is basically just things you've done before, but iterating on it. And one of them, I had to send them an updated resume, including sad boys now, like the length we've done it and elaborating on like, well, now we have a Patreon and it's ba-ba-da-ba and like giving stats and context. And I, part of it is, you know, the more negative associations you have with the thing, the more difficult it is to start momentum, but also it's just a very boring task. And I knew that technically it had didn't have to be done yet. And I ended up doing it with Bibi, which just came around.

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sad boys. When you're ready to launch your site, use promo code sad boys at checkout for 10% off your first purchase. Yeah, she honestly, she's a brick. Not enjoy the hangout. Like it's something of a Jason Seybaugh. She's actually wicked smart. She's never worn. Never worn. She's eight wicked smart. Oh, baby shoes never wore. Oh, never worn.

Too smart for shoes. No, she's eight years old. She's like, okay. I was like, yeah, probably. But to interrupt, one of my daughter's favorite things is she likes science and explainer videos and videos about animals and stuff, and she'll retain them.

And so every so often, at dinner or something, we'll get a surprise lecture on the history of wolves in Yellowstone National Park. And my favorite is one day, like we have this thing called kitchen helper, right? Where it's like a little thing that they can climb into to like reach the counter and everything. Oh, cool. And she was standing in that, and this is like last year.

And she just turns and goes, you might think that all bacteria is bad, but actually the bacteria in our stomach helps us process and digest food. She popped into frame like resource. Yeah, and I was like, what is happening? I just memorized the SciShow video. Yeah, she was totally just giving me like a bespoke science YouTube video.

I was like, okay, yeah, cool. How are you making background music? Great. Okay, cool, dude. Yeah, you're on a green screen all of a sudden. This is production. She dropped into full presenter voice and hands and head and everything. That's awesome. Okay, cool, man. This is a production that I've dropped into full presenter voice. That's cute. Hands and head and everything. That's awesome.

I'm like, okay, cool, man. Great. I love that. I wonder how much of an influence that is on like, because I was a horrific student and a big reason was that if it was a class or a topic that I was excited about and a teacher that I was engaging, then I'm in. I'm maybe a little too in, a little too obsessive about it. But any of the resources I was watching for entertainment were pretty much

only, I was watching like game trailers, top tens, right? And if you want to be to engage with media like that, or learn those, like off rip or memorize the top 10, the order of the top 10 worst video game movie adaptations, which includes Blood Rain, of course, and concludes with Mortal Kombat Annihilation, I believe. The, something like that. Yeah. Just like hypothetically. No, I'm agreeing with it. Who was the narrator?

Brandon Jones. That guy's voice, I've never had a more comforting narrator. Incredible. He has a different, also pleasant voice in person. Just also nice. I also think, cause this is the thing that I think about and talk about with people a lot, cause screen time is like a huge thing

and parenting and talk about. And I think that the problem is, is like people give an extra weight to certain kinds of like knowledge and information and not other ones. And the point that I've made like to my wife about it is like my brothers and I grew up watching a lot of TV, a lot of movies,

playing a lot of video games. And now we are people that have a podcast where we reference that kind of thing a lot. We play video games on stream a lot. My brothers, you know, we're video game journalists for a long time. It's like, so all of that information ended up being very useful to us in a way that like algebra, I don't use all that often, but my reference to like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Saturday Morning Cartoons is a thing I reference a lot. Right. And so it's like, yeah, man, listen, if she had expressed interest or something like she wants to be a professional dancer when she grows up or whatever, and then we just sit her down with an iPad. Yeah, man, like we're not engaging in that interest.

But if it's like she loves science videos and loves learning about like how the world works and space and that's what she most often chooses to watch. Yeah. Unacceptable. Sick, bro. We are watching Joseph Anderson's six hour video about the witch or two, where you get, sit down right now. How about this H bomber guy video?

Yeah, come back. Can you believe the places? And meanwhile, my like five year old is like, I'm really into Paw Patrol. I don't know what to tell you. I'm like sick bro. That's actually gonna be my personality. I'm gonna be a Paw Patrol podcaster,

a podcaster so to speak. Oh. But then she'll do this thing in the same like kitchen over where she'll pose inside it. Like it's a TV, like it's a street and start presenting like slime videos or toy videos. And then say, don't forget to like and subscribe. And I'm like, I love that. Thank you.

It's funny because like, I think that we've, by virtue of the social internet, we've over intellectualized a lot of just things that happen. Like everything has to have like a nefarious meaning or whatever. Or intellectual superiority to it. It cannot be- Like those kid toys where it's like a vlogger kit and it's like, you can pretend to be a vlogger and everybody's like, this is what society- we used to pretend to be scientists. This is a black mirror.

This is a mirror that's black. Yeah. But it's like, this is a thing I talk about a lot when it comes to like screen time, right? Of like when people are like, in our phones all the time and on our tablets all the time. It's like, yeah, but people used to sit and read the newspaper to ignore their family. People used to sit and read books to ignore their family. Used to turn the radio on so you didn't have to talk to your family. It's crazy.

It's always been a thing. Placing like a value judgment on those things. They weren't looking at the stock market for only practical reasons. It was something you could exclude other people from because, well, I'm the informed party. I'm the man of the house. This is what I do. I think it's about, and listen, I'm no scientist. I'm no doctor, but-

Oh, don't say that about yourself. Thank you. I like to think of myself as a scientist doctor. Multi-ifinit. Doctor scientist, we need your help. But I think it's like the same as any tool. It's like how you engage with them, right? So like if my kid's watching Paw Patrol

and I'm sitting next to her, I'm like, and which one is that? And what's their specialty? Okay, why are they so that, oh, this is, that Mayor Hundinger is up to no good again. Why don't they just arrest him? But- They should shoot him.

They should keep him out of Adventure Bay. Are any of them open, Carrie? They, one of them's rabid. That's a real issue in the show. But it only comes up every third episode. But that idea of engage with it, right? Or if my daughter wants to tell me about the science videos you watch, I'm like, yeah, dude.

I feel like engagement's so valuable in comparison to the iPad as a tool to pacify. You know, it's like I'm no parent. And obviously like, hey, don't sell yourself off. You're a doctor also. You're a doctor parent. I'm no parent and obviously like. Hey, don't sell yourself off. You're a doctor also. You're a doctor parent. I'm a doctor parent scientist and the thing though is that I also.

I'm no parent. Who is that guy? I also empathize with like if parents like don't, like I was kind of raised by TV out of necessity, right? Like, cause I had, if my parental figures, he was raised by the TV, which is looking out the window, nonstop, if I'm, like my caretakers were at work, and I had to just find ways to entertain myself,

and I don't think that that's bad. You know, it's like circumstantially, like who cares? But I too have like found so much value in, you know, I learned, I first learned about supply and demand from RuneScape when I was like 12. Yeah. And that game has such a like modeled real economy that I earlier today was looking at like graphs and charts

of like the sale numbers of, like the sale volume of certain items to decide if I should invest my digital currency in one versus the other. And I'm like, okay, but I do remember having arguments when I was a kid about like having to get off the game. And I'm like, no, I can't turn it off right now. You don't understand.

I think that's the thing, man. It's like, here's I can't turn it off right now, you don't understand. I think that's the thing, man. Here's the secret to parenting, I'm not too parenting, but about I think any kind of discourse about it, is the same as a lot of things, where it's like if someone tells you they have the answer, they're selling you something or they're trying to get you to subscribe

to their thing or whatever, because every kid is different, every parent is different and there is no easy answer. So it's like, I do think letting your kids engage with creativity and have like media that they consume that you've monitored, right? That you know what it is and it's fine to consume. Letting them do that because I think that's part of,

imagination and then playing with it and then having limits on it as well. And like there's things like, making sure that they have gotten enough exercise that they'll sleep well right yeah I stuff like that I do all important yeah it's not like if it's 30 minutes a day you've nailed it right no screen time is better right I think we yeah I mean we both have the same experience of it the parent is at work and I am pacified, but by my choice, right? I could do anything during that time.

Sure. Maybe I'll watch Jeremy Kyle, the worst show ever made. It's like, Maury, if you're boring and British, guilty. But there is. Boring and British? That's a joke. I love British people. They're great. They're not boring.

No, it's all right. They're more interesting. I don't. You don't like British people? No, I don't like me. The rest of them are pretty good. Oh wow. Hey, let's cancel the rest of the show and dial in on that. No, actually, no, I'm cool.

I think you're very interesting. I'm like the John Wick of being Travis to some extent. Okay, cool. I like the Travis of being John Wick. Oh, you killed all those guys. Well, with kindness. Which is what I call my source. Right?

Your family blade. Sweet and sweet. Well, kindness. I do think that like. They killed my dog, which I call Jordan. What's up, gang? It's your boy Jarvis and Jordan here. I'm Jordan.

We just recorded a Sad Boys Nights that you can check out. Anastasia and I, we watched a bunch of Super Bowl commercials, some old commercials. We talked about some maybe good things, AI. Who knows? We went on a wild journey, if I'm being honest. Yeah. And also, so you can get that for $5 on Sad Boys Nights,

for all of the Sad Boys Nights. There's 100 episodes, 100 years. And then on the free Patreon, you can check out our mailbag this week. We opened a bunch of fan mail and had a grand old time. Yeah, also happy Valentine's Day. And Jordan's there for that. And also happy Valentine's Day.

So Jordan's there for the mail, except for a couple where Anastasia filled in because we record them on different days. But anyway, enjoy Jordan and Anastasia over on the Patreon, patreon.com slash sad boys. Get into it for money or for free. There's content for both. Plenty of content. Was that phenomena of when kids like experience, oh, when growing up there's just so much like

dread or anxiety that the rushes of cortisol do have like a permanent impact on your development to some extent. I know we sometimes both will panic about things that no longer have impacts on our lives but more often than not did at some point or were something we were worried about. And then, I mean, I imagine the inverse is true where getting to experience passion when you're very young builds the framework for what passion is. And that's the thing too that I've come to realize in my experience of like raising kids is that it isn't like a traceable like pattern. It's more of like that, you know, that painting

and I reference this painting so much that someday I'll learn the name of it. But the one where it's all the dots and the people like in the park, the first elevator, the fair, oh, I know. Oh, is it called Sunday in the park. The Ferris Bueller Vader? Oh, I know what you mean. Oh, is it called Sunday in the Park with George? Is it called Sunday? Wait, OK. Let's pull it up. Who the fuck is George? That's the play.

Yes, that one. Yes, and in the Park with George. Yes. And so like this idea of like, it's that, right? It's all so much little points of doubt. That until like way later, you won't know what the picture is, right? Oh, it's Sunday. Okay, so that was the name of the musical.

The painting is called a Sunday. A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte. George Seurat is the painter. Okay, Seurat. And so like I was thinking about, my kids are both in school now, and so like school mornings are like, we gotta get them to school.

We gotta get out the door, right? And like, and it's like, okay, but will my kids remember the stress of being late? Or am I making being late stressful? Right. Because like, are they going to remember like in general, as a whole, going to school, school mornings were always

stressful, right? Because we're so worried about getting out the door. And it's like that kind of thing of like, I don't know, man, like, we do have to get out the door, we do need to get to school, but is there a way to do it that isn't like getting somewhere on time is inherently stressful and anxiety inducing? Yeah, consequence as opposed to like positive reinforcement for... And also, I mean, we talked about it a little bit last night. We're not punctual, but we do care about it.

And you're 20 minutes early or you're 10 minutes late, right? And I don't want to make any assumptions about the mental health or potential issues that a lot of, if I had a child they might encounter. But if as they get older, their, you know, their HD or their physical wellness or the depression or anxiety does like become a pre-opening factor in their day to day, I don't want to have been the cause of valuing arriving on time. Objective. I mean, like if you fail at X or Y, if you are not productive in a day, if you don't get your homework done, you are less valuable as opposed to if you don't get your homework done, you have some issues. We had Bibi evaluated when she turned seven for ADHD and she's been diagnosed with ADHD

and it's like, you know, working with a great, we call him brain doctor, right? He's a brain doctor. It's like you go to a doctor for your body, go to a doctor for brain you talk to him. And she is so my daughter is so much like me. And not like me when I was a kid, like me now. Right. And it's the closest I've ever felt to like a movie where your older self travels back in time to try to fix something with your younger self. Right. I'm just like, all right, bud. I'm going to reevaluate, like the way I would tell you about this thing based on like

my experience, having been told that thing and like what I know now about it, but through the lens of like telling an eight year old about it. Right. Right. And so like there's a thing with ADHD rejection sensitivity. It's like a comorbidity to it. And the simplest you don't have it. The simplest metaphor for it is like this feeling- I've talked about it a bunch. Yeah, right?

When you hear someone laughing, and your first thought is like, they're laughing at me, right? That idea of like, you find out two people hung out and your assumption, like without even thinking about it, is like, they decided not to invite me, right, that kind of thing. And so one day-

It's them and their mother. Right, right, exactly. Or it's just like, no, we ran into each other at this thing like, and you didn to invite me, that kind of thing. And so one day. It's them and their mother. Right, exactly. Or it's just like, no, we ran into each other at this thing and you didn't invite me. We weren't planning to hang out. And it's like, I see. And so I'll say. Or just joking around with friends in high school,

I would end up the butt of a joke that was meant in a lighthearted way, but I would shut down. Yes, and you're thinking about it for like six hours. I was like, actually, all my friends hate me and I'm just gonna like sit aside and not talk. And now everybody's thinking about how I'm not talking. And that's actually happening

because I've done something weird. Yeah, I guess it's kind of self-manifesting, right? Like if you do, but as a kid, yeah. And so one day like my daughter came home and she was like six, I think. And she said like, yeah, I feel like the kids at school are laughing about me sometimes. And I said, have they said something?

And she was like, no, but I hear them laughing and I think it's about me, right? And after my heart stopped breaking, the thing is she's great, right? Like I'm, you know, I'll ask her teachers and stuff. And if my kid was a turd, I'd say it, but she's great and kids love her. And she's very like conscientious

and very like emotionally intelligent and everything. And so like- Non-tirty. What? Non-tirty, no. And I've never like seen her interact with someone and thought, oh, that kid's annoyed by her, right? And so my initial reaction, my initial thought

was to say like, no, you're great, right? Everybody loves you. And I was like, I don't think that's helpful. And instead, like the way I was like, you know, I don't know, I don't know what's in their mind. I don't know how they feel about you. But the fact is, yeah, man, there are people who aren't gonna like you

and there are people who are gonna like you. And the expectation of like, it's about making everyone like you will never work. I said it's like, you know, if you have a favorite food, and someone else doesn't like that food, it doesn't make you have food bad. It's not that you're wrong for liking that food, it's just that you like that food, and they don't. Some people maybe do present it like some people might gate keep something arbitrary, because it makes them feel good. But I think maybe with the rejection sensitivity, I feel like a part of it. For some reason, it's not a bigger thing for me anymore. But I think that was a specific medication change that which has its negatives, makes me drowsy, but net positive, I think. There's an element of assuming authority on the part of those people laughing at you.

Well, they know. If I play a fighting game and I lose, I never picture a nerd fighting me. I picture the coolest guy in the world being like, he's probably laughing with all his friends right now. And it's 3 a.m. on the East Coast. There's no way he's hanging out with anybody. You know, it doesn't make any sense. And it's some 12-year-old you East Coast. There's no way he's hanging out with anybody, you know, just making sense.

And it's some 12-year-old you could totally take. I'll kick the fucking shit out of them. I'll do an air combo on them. Yeah, you could beat that 12-year-old up so bad. I will wave Korean wave death. You know what? You should. You should steal his shoes. Yeah, there you go.

Adult shoes taken. These have been stolen. 12-year-old shoes stolen. Defeated. Free to a trophy. Loot. Child shoes greatly missed. And the thing is, is I think that sometimes it's easy for me

to think about it in terms of either everybody likes me or nobody likes me. Right. And that's the feeling that I'm riding between of like, I'm riding high. I feel like I'm in a great place. Everybody likes me. Or, oh, no, I did.

I said, like, I misspoke to 1%. So that must mean everybody hates me. And trying to like, instead of thinking about that way, be like, okay, cool, maybe focus on the people that do like you, right? And be like, oh, I'm not this person's favorite, this person doesn't like me, and that's okay. We can extrapolate that out to YouTube

and anything similar. But the thing, one of the things that stuck with me from therapy is like, when you have that feeling of, oh, the things that stuck with me from therapy is like when you have that feeling of, oh, this person doesn't like me, it's like if you don't know this thing as a fact, there's no point in adding that to the canon. You know what I mean? Is it kind of self-involved to some degree, right? Yeah, because it's so natural just to be like,

oh, they're laughing at me, and then to just make that a part of your identity, but that could be, it's like not even, could not even be based on truth. And so then you start to build from that foundation and that can go to like a very dark place. I also think along those lines that we, everybody, I think, at least in my experience,

has a tendency to interpret other people's behavior and choices through their own thought process. And so it's like, well, I said this thing and they reacted that way. And if I reacted that way to something, it means this. And so that must be how they feel about it. Or like, you know, man, when I send emails or texts,

there's so many exclamation points that I know that I want the person to know. I'm excited, okay, exclamation points differ from okay, no, is that right? And to assume- Anastasia and I, I always tell this, I always give Anastasia a hard time jokingly because like, I have to go through a translation in my head.

Sometimes when I receive a text from Anastasia, if it's just like, okay, I have to go, that's Anastasia going, okay, instead of, if I were doing it, it'd be like, okay, parentheses, I hate you and I want you to die. Well, transparently, we had you did that yesterday. But in the most reasonable, I said last time, like, because we normally start recording at 11, like, I was starting 10 today.

I just texted to the group chat, just starting at 10 tomorrow, right? And Anastasia, you replied just yes, I believe. And I don't actually, I don't usually get concerned about that. But Anastasia, historically, we just have never ever had any kind of conflict or tension. And I went like, the time has come. I've failed in some way. I shouldn't have. I'm such a stupid idiot. I shouldn't have to ask. I should have just gone. I've failed in some way. I shouldn't have. I'm such a stupid idiot. I shouldn't have to ask. I should have just known. I should just go there now.

Right. Stupid. And the problem is, this is another self-fulfilling thing, is every so often, something like that will happen. And I then will be like, hey, I should have known. And they're like, OK, thank you for saying that. I'm like, I was right. And then it's like, oh no, it's proved so much of my thought

process, because I did interpret that correctly. And that's the one you hold on to forever. That's the case study. It's the critic, our self-critic, at least for myself, I'll say, is a propagandist that is only looking for evidence in service of its own selfish goals. And it's so good at it. Right. It's a very, well, bad but good PR manager for feeling bad. Right.

Because there's no, there's no like defense attorney. It's like the prosecutor and there's like, you have to be your own person to say, oh, actually all of these posters on the walls of your mind saying these things are false. Like this is, this is a cherry, all this evidence is cherry picked. Your honor, they're right. Sometimes I have to like remind myself by sometimes being quite often of like someone liking me isn't a neutral,

isn't like a checked box. And then it's like, so that's accomplished. And now I have to worry about people I think don't like me. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not like, okay, that's not, this person likes me. Okay, so I don't have to think about that anymore. I need to't like me. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not like, okay, this person likes me. Okay, so I don't have to think about that anymore. I need to focus on people. It's like, no, what if we focused on

the people that like you? Right? Exactly. And it's like, or focus on the people that like, you are interested in liking, that like you wanna talk to and you wanna hang out with and like, whose opinion you value and everything's like, oh yeah, that's much healthier. That'd be way better.

Thank you every so often, Travis. Right, easier said than done. It's like one of those things too though, that if anyone's listening to this, practice. Thank you. And if you've turned off by now, we get it. Yeah, understandable. We look too sexy.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But practice can be really valuable for something like this. Like truly just, it's a muscle to, for me, going down into these really dark depths of despair, sometimes you have to go all the way down and then you learn and then maybe the next time. Sometimes you gotta go through hell to get to heaven.

And then sometimes you go down 75% of the way and you like are able to stop yourself. Yeah. And it still feels bad, but you like can't kick yourself. It's like you want to and I do it's like happened, but like. Your best serve to say I actually am making progress, even though it doesn't feel like it that That's the permanent upgrade. Cause you're shortening that, you're shortening the journey that you're taking down those depths. To eventually be able to have the stimulus, like the goal would be, the stimulus happens that would send you down to the depths, and you're actually like, you stop the bullet.

It's like playing Dark Souls or a similar game where every time you die, you are losing the resources you had in that portion, but you've permanently upgraded your sword. It is a Dark Souls boss. It is exactly because you're literally... It's the stem... It's the... Someone's laughing at you. It is the Dark Souls boss, and then you fight the boss and it kicks your ass, and then eventually

you can be laughed at and you're like, actually I know how to perfect peri-all these calluses. Processing is a skill, you know what I mean, that you get better at where you're like, why do I feel this way? What do I think about this, right? Where for a long time I was like, coping is the skill I'm working on. So if I start to go into a depression cycle,

I know that if I do these eight things, I'll feel better. And I remember, like I would talk to my wife about this because it's like she will process her emotions. I was like, yeah, but what are you doing to make yourself feel better? How do you feel about it? And she was like, well, I need to get through this first. I was like, okay.

And then like I was talking to a therapist and I was like, yeah. And my wife said this and I do this. And then my therapist was like, and at what point do you like feel the feelings you have? And I was like, oh, what? Ah, man, I'm wrong. I thought I was right and I'm wrong.

I have this storage unit full of all these unprocessed feelings. No, but you don't understand. When I start to feel bad, I just like not to anymore. Then it's fine. And it's like, yeah, no, no. I'm like, mmm. Doctors, they're locked away. You don't understand.

And then I just get a bigger box. If I was sad, how come it's hard to get out of bed? Yeah, you don't understand. I was sad and then I played a hard to get out of bed? You don't understand. I was sad and then I played a video game and now I'm not sad anymore. Fixed it. Fixed it? Yeah, yeah, no, I've been drinking. I ate it.

No, no, no, no, I have bad dreams. I had a hard to sleep. You were yelling at me. But I had a perfect run on Stardew. So, yes, I'm doing. I had a Kit Kat and so in this moment I am perfection. Yeah, what you're saying doesn't make any sense. Sometimes I will go in with, because I've known my psychiatrist for a long time, I guess

like seven years or so, and he is kind of the thing I like the most about having, I guess any clinician applies, but specifically with a psychiatrist, is he's almost like an automatic diary. Like I see him every month or every other month. And then I go in, I say something, he's like, you know, you said this before. And every time he says that, I'm like, that's completely right.

But I have this little hit of like, you know, now I'm fucking right. Yeah. Yeah, but like he didn't, previous me didn't know anything. I've done like the tests this time to check. Man, what I found, and this tells you a lot about my personality, one of the things I like having most

about a therapist that has also been beneficial is that I wanna solve the mystery of what I'm going through before she does. And so I'll start talking and be like, it's probably this, isn't it? And she's like, it is. And like that to me is like one, feels really good that I figured it out, but it also makes me figure it out.

Right, where I'm just like, and I'm saying it and I'm talking, I'm talking. And you know, as I'm hearing myself say it, it sounds like what I really need to do is this, and she's like, I think you're right. And I'm like, I got this. And it's like, but if I hadn't been sitting there, like kind of making myself be honest

about what I was feeling and what I was going through and talk about it, I wouldn't have gotten there on my own. I'm guilty of that as well, but the one thing that I, the trap I've fallen into is using that as a substitute for actually doing the work. Yes. Oh, I've identified the problem, so I've solved it.

Yeah. Trap. Yeah, but a lot of times it ends up being like, oh, I need to feel the feelings, or I'll say, well, I'll intellectualize it, where I'm like, well, I know I shouldn't feel this way because blah, blah, blah. But then, OK, well, stop actually feel the feelings you there's not like you can't logic yourself out of the need to feel feelings. But feeling feelings feels bad, I think is the problem. Right. This is the thing.

The feeling I was feeling was supposed to be the other feeling. Yeah, it's honestly a joke, but I would have told you like eight years ago, 10 years ago, like I'm very open emotionally and I do that. And then realizing it was like, no, I understand my feelings, right? But I will sometimes have a hard time. Be like, and so I'm just supposed to sit here and feel this Yeah, what does that mean and do what with that? Yeah, how does that like it's the same reason?

I can't like take a bath because I get the bathroom like now what? Sit here and relax what I live in the bath. This is done. How long do I need to sit here before I'm done? There's no timer here. Everyone's laughing at me. I bet been big bath. Yeah big bath industry now Everyone's laughing at me, I bet. Big bath. The big bath industry. What now? Am I done? That's such a relatable feeling, I think. For me, at least. I'm sure for a lot of people. I think the dilemma of like, I wear my airport in the shower, is this insane? Yeah. You know, because it's like, I don't, it's, I think a lot of the time people do talk about

sitting with your thoughts, and that's part of it, but it's also, it's just sitting. The shark dies when it stops swimming sometimes, and I just part of it, but it's also, it's just sitting. The shark dies when it stops swimming sometimes, and I just don't want to get in the shower because it's a moment away from momentum. JUSTIN The description of, like, my therapist will describe, you know, like, a single pointedness or like, a single point of attention, and will describe what practicing that means, and it sounds like a deep layer of hell. It'll be like, okay, yeah, chew your food and just be in the moment with like chewing

and chewing slowly. Like mindfulness, yeah. Mindfulness. And I'm like, why? That is very inefficient. I remember, like, so I practiced Zen stuff and mindfulness walking has always been hard for me, where it's just like, you're walking and you're thinking about

putting your foot down, right? And the way the air feels and everything. And it's like, because I have ADHD, it's like, I'll start that. And then it's like, okay, am I thinking about this right? Am I thinking enough about my foot? And it's like, oh no, now I'm thinking about thinking about it. You're like the director in your brain.

Yeah, come back, you've gone too deep. Yeah. Give him the kick. Bring him back. When you haven't been on camera, the first kind of times being on camera and you're like, what are my hands doing? Right.

I'm taking a walk, but should I be self-conscious about how long my strides are? Am I doing it right? So one of the people that like, I like studied Zen from Cincinnati Zen Center. Check it out. If you're in Cincinnati, I guess. They missed an opportunity to call it Zen-San-Adi.

Yeah. Well, I think that that's a wine thing. I think that there's probably a winery that does Zen-San-Adi. I'm sending them a Z-Cyndacist. Ah. But he was like. But we are suing you, yes. Because I was telling him, like, it's hard for me sometimes to just like sit and meditate because I have ADHD

and I think about stuff. And he was like, well, you know, like you can't stop your lungs from breathing. You can't stop your heart from beating. You can't stop your stomach from digesting. Right? You can't, your brain thinks. That's what it does.

You can't stop your brain from thinking. So instead of trying to stop it thinking, we'll cause that. And he's like, instead just like let the thought come up, acknowledge it and then let it go. Yes, that's the trick. Like with, like when I... At any point, are we going to talk about the topics

that are on the TV, do you think? Or is that just a suggestion? I think I was going to hard pivot us to one of them. Let's do it. Enough about emotions and stuff. That's literally how I'll transition it. I do. So I don't know how I came across this thing. The topic of Zen mindset, which of course myself,

I also practice by trying to learn the speed run for Sekiro Shadows Die Twice. And a lot of the time it's like, oh, maybe I should do this again. No, wait, I should go to sleep. I'm like, no, I'm too Zen, I'm doing Zen stuff. I'm in the Zen moment right now. I'm at 5 a.m. Zen actually.

Get off me. I'm not going to bed, Katie. Go away, I'm gaming. Leave me alone, actually. Get off me! I'm not going to bed, Katie. Go away, I'm gaming. He'll call the shots. We will, mom! I mean, uh, shit. Sorry, sorry. I didn't represent anything.

I came across this, I don't know if it was a... I think it's just my cursed Instagram reels. Brought me to a pretty fascinating, I would say, master of the Zen arts, and perhaps his own martial art, Kai Chi. I'm, yeah, what is, okay, I'm already concerned. The biggest and most effective telekinesis school on the planet. The most effective one. How do you, how does one, unless it's like, I can lift the biggest rocks with my brain, right?

Like. It looks like they're running away from us. I also think how can you wear a white robe in the year 2025 with a hood on it on. In general, also, if this school takes place in the woods, even just from a practical standpoint, a white robe is not it. It should be, it's gonna show so much dirt.

You're so quick and effective. Also just look at that underbrush. Yeah. You're gonna get snagged on so much. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Hold on. Okay, okay. Huh?

Wait a minute. You guys are seeing the same thing as me, right? Wait a minute. Is this a Jesus-based telekinesis school? Well, until he walked into a glade and discovered two crucifixes. Three. Crucified?

Yeah, there's a tiny one on top of the other. No, no, no, there's three in a row because it's the two thieves and then Jesus in the middle. That seems like, I got to say, I didn't grow up religious, that seems like on the behalf of the Romans, a bit of a miscalculation, because you've got Jesus Christ, the guy from the Bible, you remember, and then the star of the Bible, then just like two fucking guys. You introduce two characters right at the end, and you're like, I'm supposed to care about these guys? Are they supposed to be in the third testament or something? But this guy just revealed,

I did not know this was religion. We immortals are the new humans. The human superiorists. Okay, now listen, once again, just a quick writing note. If you're immortal, you're not new. That's the most common thing ever. You can't have just decided you're immortal if you have lived less than a normal human lifespan. At what point do you know that you're immortal? I mean, we're all temporarily immortal if you think about it.

Right, right. It's immortal in the same way a lobster is. Yeah, there has to be a point where it's like, hmm, a decade's passed and everyone my age has aged and I have not, right? And even then you're like, I don't age. Immortality, still, question mark. I think you have to hit like 130 before you're confident. I'd have to be fairly old because for a while

I would just be smugly thinking I look great for my age. Right. This is the thing, imagine you live in a world where vampires or immortality really exists and you are turned or whatever and then the person's like, and you're immortal, and you're like, how will, I don't know if I trust that. Right. How do I test that in a way that I'm confident in?

Are we the cool kind? But stakes and sunlight and they're like, oh yeah, I guess you're actually, it's very easy to die in a lot of ways. But this is, I assume Kai, K maybe, I assume Kai. Did they name it after themselves? I believe so. Oh, I love that it's a godaddiesites.com. They don't even have their own domain.

Yeah, I'd probably be George Kundo actually. Yeah. It'd be my line. You would think that- I would just call it Travis. Yeah. Travis Karate. I'm practicing Travis. Travis punching.

If you were immortal, I feel like maybe you'd be around for the dot com boom and you'd get a better domain. Right. Okay, this is not that important to it, but doesn't something feel incompatible between having telekinesis and wearing denim jeans? Yes. That seems like you would have transcended graphic tees. And I think it's on a Super Mario shirt.

Yeah. It's cool, but I like... Famously not immortal. Can you hit play? I wanna see... Within the next five years, we will witness the shifts like nothing humanity has ever seen. Oh, cool. That's nice. That was over! What?

This feels like when I was a kid and I used to pretend that I could become a super saiyan Yeah, but I'm just actually yelling Here's the thing that I already tell you first of all we've all done this Where you sit there you're like, all right this time. Come on. Come on within last year Yeah, sure for sure. But here's the thing right we live now in Maybe the most connected. Yeah, it maybe the most connected, it is the most connected age ever. Everyone's got a camera on their phone.

Everybody posts everything all the time. You're telling me telekinesis is real and not just common knowledge, that that's a thing that happens. And that's to me of like, hey man, listen, you can conspiracy all you want about things that the government are covering. You're telling me that these people could do telekinesis That's to me of like, hey man, listen, you can conspiracy all you want about things that the government are covering.

You're telling me that these people could do telekinesis and there's not just constant news stories and videos about like, yeah, it turns out they can do it. The one time that someone convinced people that they could do it, they were on every television show and then they were immediately outed as a fraud. It was Erie Geller. Erie Geller did a lot of damage to, I should mention I am now telekinetic.

I'm telekinetic, I'm immortal, but I'm shy and I don't want to do it publicly or privately. I haven't done it. But there is a, oh, we wrote a book. The idea, you're completely right. Cause the idea that not a single one of those aviators in the truck with a Punisher logo on the back dads hasn't done a video where he's like, you got to look at every Nancy Pelosi and the demons and the lizard people. Fuck. Check this out.

Yeah. Also, every one of those, like at least of the videos we watched, were like the same. Like it's like clear bottles on a white thing. This is the best school. I want to see them pick up a car. Where is the thing of just like, okay, cool, we're going to watch this beginning to end, right? I'm just like, okay, cool.

But I will also say one of the things that's always now, whenever I see stuff like this, it's always like, how much of this is the person doing it legitimately think that this is real versus either they're selling a thing or they think it's funny to convince people it's real. Right? Yeah.

It's definitely a tier, ethically speaking, it's a tier, several tiers less offensive to me than a hustler's university kind of thing. Yeah. Where it affects other people negatively. The unwillingness to invest in a domain just made me think it was like a joke.

Well, this is the thing, right, of like the things that, so for example, to reference the Cincinnati Zen Center again, is basically free to attend, right? It's like, and if you wanna donate to like help us pay bills and stuff and keep the thing on, great. But they don't gatekeep it with price at all. So the second someone's like, I've learned this new thing,

and then you're like, it costs money to learn it. Like, oh, okay, cool, then you don't believe the shit you're selling. That's also where I, if someone's doing a joke, it becomes not a joke when you're actually accepting cash. Yes. Wait, I just, can you scroll up? It becomes legally a joke, I guess.

Can we select the text under our classes and plug that into a chat GPT checker? Because this is a new thing I do, because a lot of times people will just fill out big blobs of text with an AI, because it just makes it look more legitimate. And yeah, you can just paste that in there. Mm. Yeah, you can just paste that in there. Mm hmm.

71 percent. That's a tricky. So maybe generated and then. Yeah, it does. It does have a high. Now, I will say I. Well, so it's got like the name of the book, right? Where it's just like that's definitely written by him. But the way it may have been written by AI Truth be told it's also true. That's what they want you to think is that you can't do telekinesis on bottles

Well, that was it because when the guy moved his hand really fast It's not that it created wind that slightly moved to water ball. That wouldn't make any sense. No Well, I'm not even that I mean it's like as soon as you show me a perspective where it's like, my view is very limited, it's like, OK, for all I know, there's someone with fishing lines sitting there, or a fan, or whatever. And if they're like, that's not what happened, then why did you shoot it that way? Do the cool version of it.

If that's the extent of your telekinesis, I don't care. You're not that good. You're definitely not the best school. So far, what we've seen is people move plastic bottles. Right, and that's like not helpful to anything radio. And if that's your proof that it happens, then it's like, in what way, it's like if somebody said, we figured out teleportation

and you can teleport one inch forward. Awesome. And I'm like, okay. I mean, that's a breakthrough. I guess we should be studying that. Yeah, and then they're Yeah, that's the cap actually Like what the real world is like where yeah, it's like wow, that's good We found aliens. Oh, what's going on with it? They're just like it's like rocks. Yeah, it's like rocks with germs inside I'm like, ah, yeah, I mean that's I think what we're going to Is it Jupiter?

I think there's somewhere that we wanna, it's like the planet that's all water. We wanna see it. Well, boys go there to get stupid. Yeah, that's true. We're gonna look for microbial life or whatever. For boys? And that's gonna be the big breakthrough,

and it's gonna be huge for science, but also like, all right, sick. I'm doing gaming. I don't have time to get into this. You know, so you guys wanna hear like a sci-fi concept that I came up with, or just like kind of an interstellar, kind of like gritty, real sci-fi thing, if I was gonna do it, and anyone can take this,

cause I'm not gonna use it. But the idea of like, what it is, is that the thing that started life on Earth is like we could chain back like other planets that existed, right? And sent out probes and sent out things or whatever. And like the germs and microbes and stuff that were on there crash onto a planet and then start the like cycle.

And then we get to a point where we're sending out drones and stuff and satellites until that satellite crashes onto a planet in a million years that can support life and then life begins there. And it's all chains back to some other thing. And so there's only ever one occupied planet in the universe at any point as they've just been trying to find other occupied planets and by doing that creating an occupied planet as their planet has died out And it's just like that's what keeps the cycle of life that is To try to find other sisterhood of the traveling jeans. Yeah, right

Hey, what's that movie about? They just go they just go pants. They got pants. They trade off the pants. It's one pair of pants between like five girls. Well, that's their telekinesis power. They can make the pants fit. When you put the pants on, you can teleport. Teleporting pants. You can teleport into the pants. That movie should, if it does not already, should end with the FBI capturing all of them for experimentation. How did you do this? Putting the pants on a super soldier.

Or just the pants standing up at the end, like my work here is done. They walk up to me and move, and I'm like, pants, no! They have to get rid of it, like, we don't love you anymore! As the pants blow away on a breeze. Into a fire.

Until next winter! Do you ever feel like a pair of pants? It's a Katy Perry special cover. Let's watch the way the blade. This is Jordan's future. Oh my god. Hmm. This is Jordan in the future.

Okay. Okay. This is the Fruit Ninja. Yeah, awesome. Obviously awesome. The audio listener is essentially a fan cam of a believer, a man in his, maybe his early 40s. Okay, this is one of those things where I see something like that

and I'm like, what was your intention? What was the thing? Because if it's like, I want to show off my cool skills, great, and then there's just a VFX in front of a bonsai tree and him cutting a Mack truck in half or whatever. And it's like, OK, cool. How did you want me to feel about this? What emotion were you trying to create within me?

You guys have not studied the way the blade edit shows. I think awe. I think what's inspiring me is awe. I do think it's really funny. Yes, these vitamin water bottles, I haven't seen one, like when he hit the, he does like a horizontal slice on one and I'm pretty sure it just knocks it out of the way. It's really giving like, I'm smashing it in half.

Not like a clean cut, right? It's like, yeah, man, give me a baseball bat and I can do that too, right? Where I'm gonna hit a bottle and it's going to go, what? Like that is not a clean cut or cutting. The fruit was infinitely more impressive than that prime. That's the one thing he'll never cut. Whoa. I'm also going to tell you, I have not studied the way of the blade.

I was busy kissing girls. I know. But that's a joke, please. Anyone who's studied the way of blade don't come after me. But that's a wrong group to get on the bad side of. But he at one point slices and then stabs point down into a table. And I guarantee you like people who use swords would be like don't do that. Yeah that is a precision. It's like when someone doesn't have like trigger discipline and like a gun. Guys I don't know how you guys are absorbing the soul of your enemy into the blade afterwards

But it really sounds like a table his enemy is water vessels My god, he hates hydration Okay, that one got it actually very cool. I just'm back. That was actually very cool. I just, I... $10 off any Katana. Oh, there's a promo code? Wait, now hold on. Wait, he sells the Katanas? I, I, okay, I would, I...

There's too many explosions. Historically, and to... Wait. Whoa, cool. I want to give nothing but positive feedback to the team. I love you all. You're wonderful to work with and you're fantastic at what you do. It's how many, we couple of years in the podcast

since we all started working together on it. And I have not got like any swords from doing it. And that feels crazy to me. He's like, I appreciate getting sponsorships, but not like I have not once been sent armor of any kind. He is drinking a lot of soda and alcohol. Well, I don't think he has any. No, because these have all been refilled with water.

Yeah, and the vitamin water too. It's an interesting kind of selection. Do you think he's saying to his friends like, hey, when you finish your two liters and stuff, make sure you save them for me. I gotta cut them in half. Right. Is it the sword?

Are you doing the sword? I do have one little fun thing to end the episode on. Oh, great. So I need you guys to each choose one. Whoa. Choose your play. OK. All right. There's a stock. Very good. Good. OK. OK.

I. I'm so torn. A lot of these I have used in stage combat. The axe is a dishonorable weapon. Well, I've done like Shakespeare shit a lot. And the thing is, is like that, the 2C, like, two-handed or more broadsword, is real badass. Because like, you basically don't use it like a sword, it's basically like a big axe. Is it like, is that why you need to spit her in?

No, it's more of like, you would use it and you'd never really do that, so you would hold it and then in your other hand, like hold it like this and almost Oh, that's cool. Times and then use the momentum of that to swing it around. So that's cool. But it's like you hit with that or you're dead. I want to be, you know, I want to zag where you think I'm going to zig. But let's be honest, if you were to come at me with that weapon, I would immediately have teleported behind you.

I'd already be sheathing my katana. There would now be two halves of a Travis. You could do a podcast hosted with your legs. I'm going with 2A, frankly. My brother, my brother and a half. I am far too, I wanna be a musketeer. I wanna be like a Dandy Fawp, Frenchman.

I would have been in the guillotine so quick, of like, I wanna be 2A, sword on my hip, you've offended my sensibilities. That is a more realistic version of what happens. I travel back to, in time, I live in Keough, and I'm like, I think I'm gonna be like a cool samurai. I would, within 24 hours of joining, protecting the Shogun, I would have tripped,

my sword would have come out of the blade, I beheaded myself. Yeah, I would have been approached by a gang of revolutionaries and you would have heard the loudest, oh my! As I'm like, yeah, I guess completely. Maybe this is unpopular, I'm kind of feeling the pike on 4B.

I think effective, I think you're right. Because I feel like I could do some cool things and then I could also keep my distance. If you would've come with me with that, I would chuckle, push my glasses up. Again, now I'm behind you, you didn't even realize. And you fall into a bunch of chunks. Yeah.

And I host a show with those chunks. Yeah, I'm going 2A or 3A. Or I could be rapier-pilled. What's going on with 3C? What is it? 3C, it looks like it's like a little hinged flail thing. Yeah, I'm not proficient in that. I don't know how to actually use a flail.

Obviously seems so risky. Obviously there are flails in RuneScape. So I've seen the animation of them moving and I just don't get it. Well, that seems like so much more of a mounted thing, doesn't it? I'm riding in and coming and hitting, but the, that seems like so much more of a mounted thing, doesn't it? Of like I'm riding in and coming and hitting, but the idea of like I'm running with a flail,

you're gonna knock yourself unconscious. You know, the horse element definitely, as far as like combat goes, it's very intimidating and scary and I'm sure it helps. I would be, as the person being attacked, the most effective part would be like, I don't want to hurt the horse. Yeah.

I mean, horse is very cool, but also scary. And I would be like, oh, what want to hurt the horse. Yeah. I mean, horses are very cool, but also scary. And I would be like, oh, what if I hit the horse with my epic katana and I absorb its soul? Can we all agree that the worst choice here is either the cane, which I think has some merit, or whatever is it, C4? Is that like a tiny axe head on a... It's kind of hilarious.

So my bet is that that is probably something that was like a boarding thing from like pirates or Vikings or whatever, where that would give you the reach. So like, specialty equipment is an issue. Or you would use it to like mount into a window or something like, or once again, horse, like horse thing. Because the thing is, is like you see in movies and stuff, a lot of like huge axe heads or like hammer heads

or a thing, but it's like, that's not well balanced. It's exhausting to swing. So having something like that, where you would get the momentum of like swinging it and having to stick to block, and then it doesn't take a big axe head to smash someone's head open. With my pike, I'm definitely thinking I need a wood

that like evens out the weight of like the sort of the blade at the end, because then you can do all the bow tricks. I could also imagine like a 2A with a 3B sidearm, kind of like a dual wheel. Yeah, that's definitely what the B is for. Wait, that's a good point. Is it quantity wise, can I double up on any of these? Can I can I have two?

Katanas like that is not the rule apologies I would probably go with the katana simply because I can forge it myself. Yeah, I'm going to forge it yourself I would use my oven. I build something. All right. Here's what your choices say about you. Oh What your favorite one of these says about you. You're choosing the safest option. Maybe a little bit overrated, but it's still a good one. Is this one your favorite because it's good, or are you just really horny? Oh!

Alright, we get it! You like this one! This may not be everyone's favorite, but it's yours. This isn't saying anything about me! You didn't even mention my name! You're old. Oh Your social security number is two you are one pretentious. Does that mean I'm old officer? You're cool, I like you what no way you actually know that one. Can we be friends?

This one's just a phase you'll grow out of it when you grow up. Oh, come on, man. You will never grow up. He better be nice. Oh, you picked this one to be different. How clever. If you chose this one, you are a liar. This is no one's favorite. What did he say? He said it was bad. He said you're trying to be different.

I like the X one. I like the small X head on the long stick. I was ready for it to be like, you're pretentious. You're, you're, you think you're're here Great and then it was like horny That is a weird accusation in any context cuz you can't really do anything Me my social security number is to when like you they weren't social security numbers in the age of this weapon. So yeah So, okay. Well, I don't think that's based on any kind of scientific fact. Jacob this is terrible reason it's incredibly scientific.

Double blind double. Jacob did say it was scientific so I know I do. I like your choices though. I think I would have gone with what was the coolest one again. This one. Yeah. See that one feels impractical to me. Well I'm not impractical but lame. That, I'm not impractical, but lame. Yeah, that is getting in the way of it a little bit.

Jacob again, I just I don't want to be arrogant about my method. I just the three of you in a line, all of you wielding the weapons running at me. I would you wouldn't even see the blade leave it. See, this is why I picked to to either. I'm not carrying that to kill people. I'm carrying that to look fancy. I'm carrying that to look like a gentleman. I'm not going that to kill people. I'm carrying that to look fancy. I'm carrying that to look like a gentleman I'm not gonna kill Travis. That's the one that I'm carrying someone's like he must be a lord or something, right?

I'm not running at you. I think that's the issue. I think you're imagining you having to defend yourself. I'm Mining my own business. Why am I attacking you in your fantasy by the way? I've been doing stuff. Why are we fighting? I've been being crazy. Just because we have the sword, you're like, oh, Travis and I get swords. We're immediately attacking each other. Yeah, so you're gonna see my sword and be like, I want that one. With my attack range. I would ask you for a turn, Jordan.

And I would simply. I would just take a swing at you to kill you for your sword. Your assumption, look at my sword. I have honor, bro. Yeah. I'm a lord. Well, I have lost my honor

and I am a dastardly Ronin. Then you don't deserve to have that sword and I'm taking it from you, my sword. And I'm keeping my distance and I can attack you with at least two tiles I would shoot you to death. What you have a gun a gun on the end of it Like Leon, yeah, I would actually probably fly over with my jet. Oh, okay Yeah, actually I would choose you guys can't see it because it's off the screen, but G 20. It's a machine gun. OK, I see.

My laser eyes are going to hurt me most. Yeah, like eyes aren't supposed to get shoot. I have the Iron Man suit. It's F5. I'm a new immortal. Oh, OK. I'm going to move all your stuff around. Yeah, well, I can move a water bottle two inches.

While you guys were sleeping, I did surgery and put grenades in your tummies. No! So you guys are boned. Well, are they with the pen in them? Fuck. Oh, no, go back to sleep. It's like a magnet trying to undo the pen.

Hey, can you cough real hard? Yeah. You, ugh, I'm too-y. We die from just botched surgery. This was fun. Travis, thank you for defeating Jordan in honorable combat. You're welcome. I'm laughing at the notion. Taking his weapon, taking his gun, taking it back to your king and reverse engineering it.

Simply wouldn't even. Potentially bringing. If I'm being honest, I would tell so I would tell him it's fine. I don't want to fight him. I'd stand down and then slowly over time, enact a very overprepared, overcalculated revenge plan that ruins him financially, drives his whole like friend group apart. I can see you thinking that.

I would get riches from an old man that I meet in prison. And then I come back. Oh, you went to jail for really? I did. old man that I meet in prison. And then I come back. Oh, you went to jail from Gilly? You didn't get away with it? And then I come back, because I've escaped. It was tactical. And I've adopted a new identity. And I am now, I've been thinking about it for years,

learning Latin, learning the blade. Your name is now Griffin. Yeah, something like that. Something really dumb like that. And then I would slowly enact a plan and hopefully not die from like the plague or whatever while sure yeah right that's the main thing to avoid the the weapon I choose is the plague yeah unhygienic condition my off hand is a vermin okay in that, you might get me on that one.

That's actually my one weakness. I've always said, like, if I travel back in time, I think it'd be so easy to be a doctor or just like wash your hands. What do you do? But then you do that and they're like, which? So many things that were like, OK, it's like, oh, we'll do some bloodletting. Huh? Sorry. Yeah, we're just going to let out some blood. I don't know. I'm talking. Why?

That's OK. I promise you're going to wrap out some blood. I don't know. I'm talking Wrap around a second, but it's one of my favorite things to ask people of like if you went back in time What is a like modern thing that you actually think you have? The knowledge and skill to create cuz I'm like I think I could figure out bicycle. They have to go right I think I could get chain figured out and gear figured out and pedal figured out. I think I could do bicycle. I think I'm gonna have to go with fire. I'll go farther back. Like the 1800s. I go back to the phones like I don't know. Yeah I don't know enough technology for that. Dude, easy. Mona Lisa. No you know what? My actual answer is I would just go build a social network in like 2003. Okay.

Like triple steal. Like post MySpace pre-Facebook, I would like slightly edge them out. I think I would probably like the, like a Honda Accord. You think you have the knowledge and skills and abilities. A full Honda Accord. No, bring it with me. Okay. Okay, now we're talking.

To the 8th. I see bring it with me. Okay. Okay. Now we're talking. To the 1800s. I see you're playing four dimensional chess. Alien technology has been discovered in the middle of the city. Well, I take it back. I don't have a driver's license, so I wouldn't be allowed to drive it, but I'm sure I can find someone.

I didn't assume you were driving it to the past, Jordan. It's really fast. Oh, okay. Have you seen, okay, I watched a video, Defunctland, not friend of the show, but shout out Kevin. Defunctland's so good. Friend in a hall, yeah. Most recent, we've DM'd. Parasocial friend of the show.

Parasocial friend of the show, Defunctland, did a video about the history of animatronics. Oh yeah, so good. And it's an incredible video, but one thing that blew my mind was the, there were these 1700s this was they were like a artist or an engineer they made these animatronic things from the 1700s that could speak any what was it they could write they could they could write any letter. And it was like this complicated, mechanical switch out the stuff in the bottom.

Yeah, because it literally was just like it had like a brass like model of every letter. And then somehow it would get the hand to like draw exactly that letter. So it wasn't just like one thing it wrote. It was like you could write it was customizable. Yeah. Change it out. Could you go to like 1700? So much more like a bacon accord.

Animatronic. I need to. Itekker-Bacon Accordion. I need to... By far. It's like so busy, because we still have it, and it's like in a museum. Those are my favorite. I just saw a video of this swan, that if you wound it up, the neck swivels around and moves and stuff, and it looks very realistic. And that was your name.

Yeah, this is the one. This is it. Oh, it's a boy. It's a little boy. It's a boy. It's a little boy. It's a boy. It's... Um, this is my son.

It's this boy. This boy. He says it with such disdain. The boy looks up and everybody's like, hey, fuck this. I don't know why. Yeah, this. It's crazy. Like, the amount everybody's like, hey, fuck this. I don't know why. It's this idiot boy. Yeah, this. It's crazy. The amount of mechanical knowledge and know-how, it was like, I feel like it's a lost art

or it's at least a deprioritized art. I think that's it. I think the clock would be the one. Because everything kind of went computers, right? Well, and it used to be like, that if you were a king or a rich dude or whatever, you're like, I just seek entertainment. Here's a bunch of money, make this for me. Where now it'd be like, what's the market in the,

you think everyone's gonna buy a writing boy? Come on, man. Yeah, there's no market, but I want the writing boy. Yeah, I want him to do the podcast. Also, he needs some baby shoes, cause he's riding with his piggies out. Do you think at any point while the engineer was making this, he he thought I wonder if I

Could just get a real boy Real boy to do this and tell the king Mechanical Turk. Yeah Yeah, it was just like a dude it was it was a box that that It was called the Turk or no mechanical Turk is the Amazon thing But it was called the Turk and literally it could play chess But there's just a guy in Turk and literally it could play chess. But there's just a guy in a box moving, moving the chess pieces.

Can we double check that it's called the Turk? I'm like 99% sure. But yeah, mechanical Turk. Yeah. Yeah. The Turk. Yeah. That's a song. So that's crazy that they called the Amazon service after that, because that like, that's

exactly what they're doing. Yeah. That's true. Well, thank you for joining me on sad boys. You're very welcome. Thanks for having us. Can we have the show back? Because it's like I would like we did defeat us in combat. Yeah, I'm going to do an evaluation now that I've been here.

I will give you guys your score afterwards. OK, you know, if you're allowed to keep podcasting. OK, this is exciting. Or maybe it's scary. Yeah. But I mean, as long as you pay is pass fail. Oh, OK. As long as you pass, you get to keep podcasting. OK, this is exciting. Or maybe it's scary. Yeah. But I mean, as long as you pass, it's pass fail. Oh, OK. As long as you pass, you get to keep podcasting. OK. And the bar is so low. I do agree. It does seem that way.

Yeah. Don't you worry about it. What if we pivoted to talking about like supplements and how monkeys probably could like beat up a UFC fighter? The fact that you guys had microphones already is that pass, frankly. Like you have microphones, you're allowed to keep making your podcast. This is huge. Should I do something about how women shouldn't be allowed to play video games? You've already passed and now you're looking for...

You can't say not allowed. You have to say like aren't good enough. Like it's actually bad for them to play video games. Yes, no, it's like dishes are better. Yeah, I actually, I've just said it's not about how good they are. It's that I'm worried about women who play video games. Actually, you did create that spreadsheet of video games that went woke. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you just write all of them in caps these days. And now cash your million dollar check. Right, wow. Yeah, it's that simple. Because in that case, well, maybe. Travis, thank you for joining us. Where can our listeners and viewers find you if they want to hear more of your cockamamie

ideas? listeners and viewers spine to you if they want to hear more of your kaka-many ideas. You can go to McElroy.family and all of our stuff is there. M-C-E-L-R-O-Y.family. McCory. McCory. Travis McElmoy. McElmous. McElmour. Mickey Mouse. Travis Mickey Mouse.

Also, if you look at McElroy family on YouTube, it's there, just McRoy podcast, you'll find my brother, my brother, me, Adventure Sound, Schmaners, all that stuff, my bim bam. You've been Twitching, as you mentioned, also. Yes, I have the Travis McRoy in there, a lot of Stardew Valley, it's a lot of Stardew Valley. That's co-working, actually. Yeah, that's co-working. You're working on the Valley.

That's the thing, man, to jump back, Stardew Valley is like to-do list of the game, and it scratches so much of just like, I'll feel so accomplished, and then be like, like to do list the game. Right. And it's scratches so much of just like, I'll feel so accomplished. And then be like, oh, I was supposed to do laundry. I meant to do this in the real world. You're looking at your character and be like, well, they're accomplished.

Little Travis is out there killing it. We end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry. Boof. We did it. Chee. We love you and we're sorry.

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