Sad Boyz - Terribly Fake TikTok Podcasts (w/ Link Neal)

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. And I'm Jordan. Let's talk about that. Why? We were just introing the show. We were going to talk to you about being our guest. What could that mean? Yeah.

Okay, well then let's talk about that. Don't do it again. What are we? Did I just do it twice? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I have to have people tell me that I've done it. Yeah, you've got such a big operation that you can kind of have a person for everything.

You've got a like you've said it twice guy who's just said there go. It costs us so much money every time you say it. Yeah. Because we have to use the intro. The bill is racking up. Jacob, our producer, a million dollars a minute. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about that.

No, dude, please. We are in the red. A shirt from his back. yeah let's talk about that no dude please we are in the red i mean there are so many things that i say that it's just it's uh it's like muscle memory oh i'm sorry i'm sorry for doing that this is just gonna be the real me this is the real you the real sad me we should talk about that yeah so let's talk about we should talk about that slightly different the intro is playing we should talk about that um We should talk about that. It's slightly different. The intro's playing. We should talk about that. So we are joined today by Link Neal, the inimitable. I like to use that word for some reason.

I think maybe three episodes. You're not saying it right, but I do like it. Has anybody imitated you? Inimitable. How do you say it? Intermittently. No. Yeah.

That's a different word. Let's talk about that. Ethanette. Intermittently. No. Yeah. That's a different word. Yeah. Let's talk about that. So we're joined by Link today. Are you comfortable being- Do you know my last name? Neil. Oh, wow. Red.

Yeah. Are you comfortable being called a godfather of YouTube? A founding father of YouTube? The Mount Rushmore? Not founding. You are the founder of YouTube. You coded it in your basement. You're the one in that Me at the Mount Rushmore. Not founding. You were the founder of YouTube. You coded it in your basement. You're the one in that Me at the Zoo video, right?

Yeah. I don't... I take it as a compliment. If you want to call me Godfather YouTube. We're really just making you uncomfortable on purpose. That's the show. The legend, the king emperor of YouTube. I like that.

Bring someone into my living room and just make them as uncomfortable as possible and then kick them on their merry way. Yeah. There's not many places to sit i'm pretty uncomfortable this place is a wreck yeah no it's like yeah it's the smell i think you're clearly on your way out i'm out i'm or in it who knows that's in that's the liminal space i like to reside in i mean you're implying that it's where he lives which is not and not that we just broke into a peer space um just like some abandoned building yeah well like we have to record pretty fast before the owner gets back

actually um so what is this a we work exactly and we we are working let's talk about that and let's yeah this is not gonna end once you say it you just can't stop it's like a pre right i kind of like it maybe that's mine now so link i feel like the internet knows you as one half of of good mythical morning but some people like me remember you as like the guy who was putting on a bunch of t-shirts and like a red link video circa i don't know 2007 yeah maybe 111 t-shirts is that how many it was well there were 222 we thought that was like a good internet number yeah and i just assume i put on half on a of them but i probably put on more than half you've done a lot of because i carry a lot of what we do what was the yeah you're kind the... Rhett just wore a shirt, from what I remember. He just wore a regular shirt. Didn't really contribute.

Yeah, he didn't contribute. Does the internet know how tall you are? If they care, I mean, I think you can find out. I think people like to normalize to Rhett and then when they see me in person,

just verbally process what's happening. Right. Because we go through the same thing. I think I have a theory that because of how everyone go, like everyone learns to frame up their cameras exactly the same way. And so you are basically normalizing a person to look at average size in a camera frame you would never want to make something look larger than life you're not doing like forced perspective like a lord i like what you're getting at though like

if right if all of a sudden it's like all right new for good mythical morning season 24 or whatever right uh red's gonna be chopped off at the collarbone yeah he's just just looks like your dad just like in the frame it looks like a charlie brown adult yeah so red's gonna be well it's oh yeah he he kind of goes in that anyway or maybe that's just in my mind oh yeah you have the youthful energy of uh charlie brown well there's definitely lots of times on the show when like one of us will say to the other i just said that it's like i just whatever you just said as if i didn't say it you obviously you didn't hear me you're not listening to me right right right should we stop is this show broken uh-huh every single episode there's every single yeah

there's a there's a part we have to cut out where we're like the bicker i just said that yeah um well the reason i bring that up is because i think you're taller than me i think you and jordan are similar heights right like maybe the same same i'm six foot huh how tall how tall you're not six foot you just said i was six foot right no i i I'm like six one. No, I thought that. I think you're, yeah, see. I was just thinking how tall I was. We just said that.

Because we talked about that. So. No one's playing again. Oh God, oh God. So. Venmo transaction every time. We always get this thing where like, I'm six one, Jordan's six three.

And whenever people see us on camera, so venmo transaction we always get this thing where like i'm six one jordan six three and whenever people see us on camera they just assume i'm like a little short mario and jordan's the big tall luigi you know what i mean and that's only two inches difference and that's only two inches different but it's just about we got a seven inch difference that's in high easy but red is a freak of a man he's just like on like you're not allowed to be that big it should be criticism to him yeah not a compliment he should get hate comments oh he does hate it oh he hates it okay well now i feel bad well i suppose in his case it's framing is challenging and your show also means that there's a master shot so he doesn't get to be completely isolated

in his own little there's a stick they there's a it says ret stick on it and it's a six foot seven tall stick that like the crew carries around and like in order to frame things appropriately because for the longest time they would anticipate right and then he would show up and then they have to change everything yeah imagine if he shows up to a place that like isn't prepared for him, like a norm, like he's guesting on a podcast, like our podcast.

And then poor Jacob has to like, is he going to, I mean, we're already only talking about him. The hype thing. You're actually going to have him on the show. We're going to take all of these comments and then replay them to red. This is all just a prep for your episode with him.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're just warming up. Do you think he'll like like the let's talk about that recurring joke because i think if that doesn't land we can cut that out we really care what he thinks right um and of course so do i i'm really glad that we're devoting so much energy just talking about him do you have his number i want to know actually i don't know his number anymore it's one of the he changed it i don't know his number anymore. It's one of the, he changed it. I don't know his number.

He has seven numbers in my phone because every time he like leaves the country and comes back, he's got to get his number. I'm a renaissance man. What can I say? It is like the iPhone glitches out when you look at all the numbers attached to Jordan's contact.

It's very confused. And you should delete. Well, I'm afraid to delete the one that's his real number. Right. It's like Russian roulette it's like you literally could go what days without talking to each other i couldn't tell you which of these is his real number one of them always tells you he could yeah two of them tell lies actually that's that's a jesus This is nice.

Oh, wow. Okay. They're all, whatever you like. Yeah. You don't know either, huh? Who's to say? Hey. Is there any creative desire for you to sort of have individuality in your content?

Because you, I've really taken a taken a turn here because you've been like in a comedy duo and this is something that like i think about with us you know because we've just been friends for so long you've been in a comedy duo for so long that it's just kind of like a rolls off the tongue you know what i mean and and people just like kind of associate you of course um do i i typically don't think like that like i enjoy working in the context of the creative partnership and um i think you know over the pandemic ret started writing, like serious music. And then he released an album under another name, James and the Shame. Right. It took me a little bit.

It took me a minute to kind of wrap my mind around, okay, what does this mean? Could I read into this right is this you know is he trying to say i need but but it feels natural right just to it was very natural and he's operating in such a segmented space outside of what you do together yeah it was it was totally appropriate i'm glad he did it and i'm glad he did it for me because it did bring up some good conversations between the two of us where it was like okay he was expressing his desire to do this particular project you know to express himself it was just something that started happening right and but the way that we started talking about it it was it started off a little strange because it was like,

I think he anticipated that there would be, that this is new territory for us. Right. You know, we've had a lot of conversations. We've had conversations about, over the course of, you know, 37 years of friendship and especially like deck you know almost you know we're working on over 16 years of just being a professional partnership right you you have to talk about everything yeah but when that new thing that you haven't talked about comes up it's always it always feels a little okay what's this gonna be like right and for him to be able to say hey i i not only do i want to do this i do like the idea of doing some stuff that's my own thing so like his answer to your question would have been a lot easier than

my answer because he didn't like yeah um there's things that I just want to do. You know, like he's more of that like, I've got this big idea that just popped into my head and I want to go after it. And the vast, vast, vast majority of that is then contextualized within the two of us and what we're going to do. Right, right. But sometimes it's like he wants to do some stuff on his own.

And this was a very, james and the shame project was a very good exploration of that because it was so separately defined yeah and it made so much sense for him to go after that right it's not like i'm you're gonna play triangle just to like be involved. Right. You know what I mean? And it wasn't even tied in with, because it's not just the two of you that are the infrastructure. All of Mythical is built around it. So let's say he did the music and every other team member at the company was involved in the project. Yeah.

So he made some decisions to say, okay, I'm going to keep this entirely separate to make this more clean. Right. And it is a bona fide side project. It's not like, I don't know. So I think I felt a little threatened because I always think creatively within the context of our partnership. Sure.

So I'm just kind of built a little bit different in that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and I'm fine with that. Right. And I think as long as I can be fine with Rhett doing his thing occasionally, you know, if it took off and that's the thing that he wanted to pursue, that would be a much more difficult conversation. Very difficult. I'm not going to say it couldn't happen.

Sure. But that's not what either one, that's not what he wants right and there's yeah it's a whole I don't think we'll ever get there yeah yeah hey it's me Jarvis from the future if you're watching this right now then immediately after this episode of sad boys you can head over to patreon.com slash sad boys and listen to me future jarvis and also future jordan he doesn't get a microphone in the future um we're doing another full episode of the show over on patreon.com slash sad boys available right after you watch this one enjoy the rest of the show is there something that as a duo you would want to scale out to trying or doing that you've never dabbled

in not even an independent project i mean the example that we know is not the answer would be As a duo, you would want to scale out to trying or doing that you've never dabbled in. Not even an independent project. I mean, the example that we know is not the answer would be music, right? Like we're doing a new album under a normal setting. Yeah, because you guys have kind of done it all. You've made board games. You've done TV shows. You've, you know, you've kind of, the creative gamut, you've kind of run together as a duo. You've been 6'1".

You've been shorter than that. Yeah, yeah. You've hung out with the red stick just as a emotional support i should have brought it where did they get that was the mission i need somebody to go out and find a red yeah you like go to home depot you're like it very much looks totally custom made by probably morgan who works for us okay he very much he's he's very self-motivated too. So he'd be like, I have this idea. I'm not just going to get any stick.

I'm going to make a red stick. Yeah. But if you were asking what I want to do or what I want to just be mine, I started getting into DJing, bedroom djing right i mean really like living room i don't technically do it in the bedroom right you know that is a sacred space yeah that you would have that same conversations about that so i do a kind of djing so red and i would talk about how me getting into djing as a hobby is like my own thing right

it's interesting that it's both music in both cases music other like siloed projects it just it was just something that i was doing during the pandemic yeah and i i was more uh i was gonna say reticent but but then that would invite some sort of... Pun. Yeah, we're not going to do that. It's okay. We won't do it. Now that we've front-pitched it,

we won't do it. Okay, thank you. After this conversation, we're actually going to ban all mention of Rhett for the rest of the episode. That would be great, actually. Yeah, because as the godfather of YouTube, the soul...

Yeah, we didn't say Rhett was the godfather of YouTube. I do. Yeah, we didn't say Rhett was the godfather of YouTube. I mean, I do. You're a single godfather. My DJing has kind of taken a... It's still bubbling up. When we did Mythicon, I unveiled my DJ persona. Oh, that's cool. Elkhound Snuggle Baby.

Elkhound Snuggle Baby. How did you come up with that? Yeah, Elkhound came up because I like dogs. My mom's first dog was a Norwegian Elkhound. Beautiful dog. I just liked the way it sounded. It sounds cool. But it almost sounds too cool. So I had to put something with it that said,

okay, if you thought the Elkhound was cool, and that's your decision. Right. but i have a hunch that you might right so therefore i want to make sure that you know that there's a second parenthetical title to my dj right moniker it's like a shot and a chaser yeah there's a snuggle baby there's a kind side to me as well i can there you go so it's like it's a totally unabashedly uncool almost sincere like yeah there's a kind side to me as well i can there you go so it's like it's a totally unabashedly uncool almost sincere like yeah there's a cuddly nature to the type of music that i'm gonna play the vibe that i'm gonna set i'm gonna go into snuggle baby mode and we're just gonna we're just gonna chill out there's the pace of the djing session start high energy there's a little

there's an elk hound mode and there's a snuggle baby mode that's right i'm gonna go elk hound mode this week so if you are djing you get it i'm i was wearing uh huge ass antlers nice i am imagining you in red and like a fur drape okay oh nothing like that yeah it was great i was draped in a white fur it was it was kind of norwegian is that appropriation do you have any norwayness yeah yeah yeah we're about to i'm sure it's appropriation yeah i think norway is cool with that actually i thought it was a safer appropriation i think it is right oh i think no one's gonna call you even a thing yeah for this white guy yeah it felt like it was safer you've got more hardware to work with than we do

we had all the authority on it i'm sure red has hard experience being white i'm not a great dj but um but hey what was that somewhere i really i'm just really into music so what kind of genre that was kind of like my it was my outlet and it was my expression was it the and it took rent to say you know what you need a dj name you need an outfit you need that's like his kind of brain working the right does yeah which is nice it's helping you up like a flavor flavor i think i do that i love for jordan you know oh yeah like uh like uh the your youtube channel which you just hit 200,000 subscribers. Congrats on that.

Congratulations. I remember we started the YouTube channel because I would always pull you in to do collabs with me because I loved our comedic sort of energy, our comedic voice together as a duo and we were doing this collab like right after i moved to la and we were like there's nowhere for us to like tell people to subscribe and so we started an empty youtube channel that was like jordan's youtube channel and i cracked a nice 20k on that without making any videos yeah yeah which i thought was really fun that was more of a great start yeah just a little that's he's my Nepo baby a little bit. I just like to, I always think in the context of partnership

and collaboration a lot more. I just think that's how I'm geared. When you talk about, what did you say about Flavor Flav? You said that Rep was being my Flavor Flav and he was hyping me up to fully form my DJ aspirations. That's true but like back in the day when i would listen to public enemy i was like that of course i was i was in middle school yeah

so it's like that guy flavor flay that's my guy he is hilarious and we did ask you to take your clock off when you walked through the door just because it was going to clink with a microphone. But now I don't know what time it is. Chuck D was and is like was such a cool person. Yeah. And Flavor Flav was just and is this like totally unhinged. Right. But like that's who I wanted to be. Right.

Like I was Flavor Flav as Halloween one year. Oh, that's awesome. All I did was wear sunglasses and a hat. Like Flavor Flav as Halloween one year. Oh, that's awesome. All I did was wear sunglasses and a hat. Like Flavor Flav. And I had a clock. I did have a clock. He didn't even have a clock. He was like, I am Flavor Flav.

But it was a very small clock. Oh, yeah. It was a watch. I think it was a, you know how, you know, gym teachers, they'll have the stopwatch hanging around their neck. Like a whistle. That's what I did they'll have the stopwatch hanging around their neck. With like a whistle. That's what I did. You got the stopwatch hanging around my neck

and nobody knew who I was. But I identified with that guy. The guy who was, you know, he had a couple of songs on the album, but he was a hype guy. He was really just there as just a little, you know, some seasoning to mix it up. Right.

But again, I think it means something that, like, that's who I identified with. Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, just my connection to him is really through the Flavor of Love show, unfortunately. I've never seen that. i'm making a decision never seen it before watched all four seasons a few weeks ago for whatever some weird series events or alchemy in our apartment me and um my roommate ethan watched every single episode uh three seasons and then does he end up um happy oh he. Oh, he, not for a moment, is unhappy.

The only times when he is unhappy is the result of the dates he's going on. Those are only the time when he has an unpleasant date. Yeah, when he's just not being himself. He's like, they're forcing me into this normal box. I had to meet their parents today. Maybe I should watch this. It's great. It might be a religious experience for you.

Who knows? You might really connect with him. I'm who knows like uh i'm a harmony guy like when i listen to music i sing like i'll sing the harmony because i you know i was kind of self-taught yeah and but that's what would always get me like that challenge of how do i how do i fit into this how do i make this better how do i partner with whatever's happening yeah to be a part of it and not to like over extrapolate on it but that is kind of what of all solo music projects that djing would be the closest to that yeah that is the like the highlight of the project is the music and you're shepherding that yeah i feel that opportunity i feel that even i mean even being you know like an instrumentalist

more more like classical instrumentalist is maybe a little bit more like craft focused people are like oh look at that like finger dexterity or something like that as opposed to just you're doing a more holistic the music's here i'm just going to be the path for that and as much as i like being the center of attention i don't know there's always been this um balancing impulse that's like okay but if i make this all about me it's not this isn't gonna work out you know like um the junior beta club convention this is a big deal we would this was like ninth grade okay and so not just our high school but we went to like garner high the beta club beta club is oh you know what that is that's

like this that's like the smart people it's the club sorry i was smart people i was part of the alpha club yeah yeah they called it a beta club yeah that's funny my uh my fret was sigma sigma sigma so okay wait and we would get so and so we would go to garner high it was a huge high school where and all of these students would be north carolina high school. And all of these students would be there. Are you in North Carolina? North Carolina. Okay, cool, cool, cool. So all of these students would come there that we didn't know.

And it was just once a year. And so we're in this big auditorium. And they're just doing the, you know, talking to the smart kids type thing. But then something goes wrong. And there was a programming faux pas and you know the way i remember it there might have been you know 600 800 kids in this room right and somebody an adult gets on the mic and says i'm sorry we're we haven't we're having to sort out some things for a few minutes would anybody like to come up and tell a joke

oh shit and so immediately I'm kind of in the back left with like my betas yeah my betas you were going to take this a different way in 2023 me and the soy beta cucks I think

I don't know I think i know what a beta is a beta male it's and i it's just like a very uh uh toxic term used generally by men's rights activists to separate to separate so it's like a weak yeah it's meant to amass an emasculated man. But only. In contrast to an alpha male. In contrast to an alpha male. And they exhibit the most toxic male traits. And so the beta is typically, look at this feminized guy.

Where in reality, it's just look at this not normal person. I think all this will tie in very nicely. Okay, perfect. To where this story is going. So you're in the back corner. You're with your betas. I just immediately stood up and started walking down the aisle. Did you gesture or anything, or you just beeline?

I was like, this is my moment. Right. Do I know what I'm going to do? Do I know what I'm going to say? Do I believe i'm qualified none of these things are thoughts that i had or probably would have now i mean i mean i mean i wouldn't i would probably do the same thing now but that i have to say yes i'm going up there and that's what's gotten you to where you are today though oh thank you because you can't godfather of Yeah, you can't like, in any situation,

you have to be able to put yourself out there. And I think that that is a superpower that not everyone possesses. But then if you don't have any follow through, it could be problematic. True. I get up there on stage, I get the mic, and I was just, I said something about the food here really tastes like chicken. And that was my joke. But I was, I think it's what I actually felt.

I think I was speaking from the heart. Right. But I was trying to harness that for some sort of like backdoor humor. Right. And people, when they thought I was going to say tastes like shit, they were listening. And then I don't know what I said after that. It was just kind of like fugue state.

Right, of course. Next thing I know, I see Rhett coming down the aisle, coming up on the stage to rescue me from myself. Right. And then he had formulated some thoughts. Wait, how old are you both in this situation? Ninth grade. So this is like, what, 14?

Maybe 15, yeah. 14 for you. So that's kind of the pattern of like, I really enjoy working within the context of our partnership because I don't know how he feels about it i mean he might feel like it's a bit of a burden at times because it's like i can just kind of free fall into whatever and then know that he's gonna provide a little more structure to it right you know um that feels related to our relationship i was gonna say i have

a i wrote it a while back i always forget to bring it up i did write a very like soppy paragraph in my little sad boys prep note which basically just summarizes it was just a list of like reasons i've been finding the show very easy since i got back and i think one of the things that latency always gets in the way of is that dynamic a little bit that like yeah hand off ohoff. Oh yeah. Hand here. And I, since the beginning of the show, it's always been nice to, I think kind of what you're describing. I like being color. I like being Cajun spice on top of like a good foundation. I've just always felt that Jarvis is a very good, not solo host, but very good at structuring and leading. And I always, it gives me a lot of fun space to just experiment walk up the

aisle without having a joke in mind kind of right right yeah i do appreciate that a lot and it's good to kind of have different lanes so it's not just like okay i depend on him you know it's like i i would be curious like what what his version of this is like it's not something that we talk about yeah yeah do you imagine yourself in the reverse where rat is up on stage and he's doing like the airplane food is chicken or whatever would you do the same as that 15 15 ish year old would you imagine you would also walk up the aisle and dive in help uh i I would just have to get my licks in, you know? That's the reason why I'd be going up there. I don't think I would have had to have rescued him.

Right, right. Because he's not going to put himself out there unless he knows that he's got a plan. That's me. Yeah. And that ends the Rhett corner. But I want to give you some specifics. Nice.

And I want to move into the compliment corner, which is not a segment of the show that we have but i want to give you some compliments link because uh custom segment a custom segment do you have any compliments yeah when are you yes please do you have any for us not not first no so first of all i'm gonna start this with a little bit of a i'm gonna start this and i'm gonna take it somewhere else all right uh first of all where do you get off you're you're tall you're attractive you're successful you've got a beautiful family fuck you um oh is that is that how these compliment corner drinking our water and yet you have it all already um but what i what i do want to say is that um you know we started working together in a very, I'd say relatively dark time for me because I was navigating the pandemic for myself.

I had, you know, just I had moved to L.A. The goal was to, like, be closer to Jordan to do the show. Truly, this is like, you know, 2019. We still had the podcast back then. We hadn't done it in a while because Jordan had moved to LA. I was still leaving Patreon. And then once I left Patreon, I had a really dark six months in San Francisco where I was like working for myself. And it was very exciting.

But I didn't really like have the structure like kind of wasn't there. You know, Anastasia and I were working together. And Anastasia was in LA. But we weren't working together in like an official, official capacity yet. And, um, it was more like, Hey pal, can you review the script for me? Like that type of thing. And, um, I, you know, through one way or another moved, moved to LA. Then the, you know, Jordan had to leave the country the pandemic happened it was just a series of unfortunate events where now we were remote those are not correlate i was not involved in the pandemic there's a lot of theories with experts that we just don't really know the

answers and we can't take his word for it um but i uh you, the opportunity came up for us to work together. And I think I was at a time where I was kind of open to switching things up, changing things up, seeing, you know, what, you know, was going to help get me out of this funk. This is also the same line of thinking that led to me doing Creator Clash. We'll see how that turns out. Two weeks, April 15th. Jarvis Johnson, 1992. So, so one thing that I want to thank you for is that you've always extended yourself and been a very like solid resource and sort of source of advice. You know, we've gotten coffee a few times. I've kind of let you know, like what's going on in my world. You've kind of given me your perspective on it. You know, you've heard the, the Jordan saga from

the, you know, it's like, we're, we're trying to get this thing going. We're trying to get this podcast off the ground. We do not have Jordan back in the country yet, but like, you know, it's, it's going to happen, you know? And I, I just wanted to thank you for all of your support during that time. Cause I'm feeling really great these days about sort of this stuff that we're doing. And you're going to feel even greater after creator clash, because I'm going to have a lot of time back. But yeah,

I just wanted to sort of earnestly give you that compliment and that thank you. Well, I appreciate that. Thanks for, thanks for telling me. I really have enjoyed like the times that we've hung out i mean for me you know when we started working together it was because we were fans of what you were doing and we just saw the potential of where where things were headed and as we started talking it was like okay this this makes a lot of sense for us to be a resource for you. And I think... And for context, for people who don't know, Mythical invested in our company,

our Sad Boys kind of company, Sad Boys LLC. Which encompasses Jarvis Johnson, Jarvis Johnson Gold. Sort of the whole content operation, including Sad Boys. And that was the context under which we began working together. Yeah, and a part of our program we're calling the Mythical Creator Accelerator. Yeah. And I was just really excited, you know, as making our team available and their areas of expertise to you and to other up-and-coming creators or, you know, you're not an up-and-coming creator.

So I wouldn't put you in that category right now. But, you know, just like you're building something and you're on this upward trajectory that, like, I like to think that we still are, Red and I still are in many ways, but it's a challenge to do that. And at every turn, there's like all of these challenges to build your brand and protect

yourself and express yourself. Right. Go after it, but in a way that's healthy for you. Definitely. right you know so go after it but in a way that's healthy for you definitely you guys are a pretty rare example of having such a long tenure yeah which i think is part not just that you've been on the platform a long time but it's also been sustainable and you've adapted when you have to it's kind of like definitely bowies phases kind of thing yeah so we've been through a lot and it's like okay how can we can we be of service to other creators that we

want to have working relationships with us so like that was that was where the start was for us and i was just i was excited to say okay my team can offer their areas of expertise but for me i i i'm interested in finding out what is unique to my experience that can be of help to you and to you and to, you know, a handful of other creators. Right. I will piggyback on the compliment of, uh, you know, one of the things that I've always found helpful when I am in a low place is feeling witnessed so that even when you are witnessed, yeah.

Witnessed or, um, even if you're not able to do much or have much agency in your life, at least you're not being archived. It does feel like you still exist in the world. And you, when we... I mean, we met in person a handful of years ago for Patreon stuff, and I still work there. Right.

First time we ever kind of socially met was the Streamies. No, was it the Streamies that event yeah the most recent one yeah okay the hell that was called um and you i had heard even prior but there were just so aware of my immigration situation yeah which just made me feel witnessed and and like that was a a priority and an interest of people like plural and that just i don't know i felt like a full-ish human yeah yeah because it's not a fun thing to go through it's that's a challenging thing yeah we we've we've had a few team members over the years who've been through versions yeah of you know the process that you went through so it was like yeah so we knew pretty up close and personal like it could just it can take the

wind out of you yeah okay brian actually see it to fruition brian uh brian flanagan of the mythical he was a literal witness wasn't he yeah he wrote me a recommendation letter yeah yeah yeah and um i think the other thing is that jordan and i you know we quit our desk jobs essentially to do this and i think that part of the like challenge is building structure around the like rebuilding the structure that we had in that in that desk job for all of its faults it did have sort of the one thing it's good at is make like getting workers in a position where they can do work and i think that right a lack of um structure where everything's free flow. That works for some people, but it really kind of, especially with me and like my own mental health challenges

or situation, I, with my ADHD and stuff, I really do need the structure in order to be productive. So I think being able to, you know, get support on like building our team, understanding where there could be problems, trying things that don't work out. Um, and ultimately knowing that there is a North star of like having a team that, you know, I think a lot of the conversations that we had about, you know, you guys just showing up to like do the thing, influenced, you know, my hopes in finding someone like Jacob, who has been incredible, you know, shout out to producer Jacob in elevating our show and really like helping take the stress off and allowing us to not only do

the best version of our work, but collaborate with with new people and really like contribute to their careers as well and you know create a cool thing together you have a great team of people that are all the best people to do the you know it's a i guess a silly reference but build a ret stick right yeah just that would not have happened if you didn't have somebody and it's like that happens layer by layer years over years over years and it you know being in the earlier stages of that it's really helpful to have you know someone to like who's been through it to like bounce bounce off of is i'm here for you man you can text me more how long were you guys rolling just the two of you before you actually started hiring people we would have like a part-time editor back in north carolina and then we moved out here uh 12 years ago is when we

started hiring up so like stevie was our first hire and us stevie's such a i i so many people i know have no stevie it's the strangest if i reference mythical i'd be like oh just talking to stevie about something how how do they have the time to have so many friends i don't understand i don't know i don't know how she has the time but she does stevie's great um so i wanted to show you some wild shit that we found on the internet this is a completely we've kind of done the show upside down it's like the upside down cake okay of sad boys all right what this is the thing where i'm like i don't even know if you're comfortable watching this but um oh is this me no okay but it's uh i'm like the only thing i've been uncomfortable watching is probably

something you dug up about me no so okay this is just a wild uh tiktok that's going viral knock women for feeling proud and for wanting to have you know that girl power and holding things over him but no you've got to give it up lady i please my man in every way, all the ways. Wake him up, he gets his nut. Before he leaves out the door, he's leaving empty nuts. At work, I am calling him like, come outside, it's your lunch break, it's time for you to get your nut off. When he gets home, he's getting fed, he is getting another nut, and one before bed, or two if he's on the bed or two that's it that's the secret i make

sure that my man nuts at least six or seven times she makes sure that her man nuts at least six or seven times a day i'll point out five of those are after empty he leaves the house empty right five more it feels like she's training him for something like just putting him through a gauntlet so what's your question for me uh i don't want to presume yeah yeah i'm not just gonna start talking extemporaneously no no no this is more like when you see something like this what goes through your mind um that's a lot right that is a lot that's a lot of that's a lot of nuts i mean there's been times where i've said you know how many how many in a day how many in a day

who are you i gotta say i'll just say just to speak candidly um not that many for me dead i'm a ghost i'm a husk yeah i would be ash i might i might have had i would love to think that at some point in my life once right there was a day uh-huh where there were four it was a big day yeah that maybe doesn't even seem i just i want to be so real with you guys yes i'm gonna say i just can't it probably can't be more than three look i think and that's that's like i think that's well bear in mind this is also seven days a week 365 years a year unless he gets a day off for his birthday what is her story well that's a great question to ask because the lore surrounding this i think is more interesting than the tiktok itself this is an only fans model who's faking a podcast to advertise her only fans which i think is genius so she's not talking to

anyone there's no no she's not even using the mic correctly this is not how you use it's genius yeah so so she's just using like the visual conventions of being on a podcast. She's kind of holding it like this. Yeah. The pickup pattern for this month is not what she's doing. That's the best way to generate. It adds up. Yeah. A fake podcast to promote her OnlyFans.

And you're falling for it right now. Even if you're not, you are. Even if we're not, we are. I think she's done some stuff that's maybe unscrupulous or whatever. I heard that she exposed herself in front of train tracks or something to advertise her OnlyFans. And then the train people were like, hey, this is really dangerous. And there could be kids on the train and stuff. This is for trains.

You're not supposed to be on this. So I don't really know. I can't fully co-sign this but this is emblematic of a grander trend that's happening where people are pretending to have podcasts that do not really exist yeah because every day there is a new viral weird podcast on the internet of somebody saying something insane. And as easy as it is to start a podcast, it's a lot easier to just fake the podcast for the clips. I'm like, do we just need to sit down and make a bunch of... It feels like a waste of time, come to think of it.

Maybe we can do that right now. What's something weird we can have an opinion on? Oh, yeah. Okay, so portrait frame of Jess Ling. If this is a fake podcast i'm gonna look this way yeah i want to talk to no one oh yeah that's what she's doing you're gonna be like i make sure my girl eats nine lasagnas a day i wake up i'm feeding my girl lasagna um she wakes up she's covered in lasagna covered in lasagna and then she she gets up she does her makeup she oh my god she's so beautiful

i love her so much and i love stuffing some lasagna in her face as she leaves the door i make her a little lunch box of lasagna she's an orange tabby cat and she hates mondays right sure her name is scarfield and that is my wife yeah my hand is caught in a minivan door right now that's i'm so glad to be on your podcast yeah where you put the guest's hands in a minivan door and you shut it it's our idea of like it hurts it's like where it's like hot ones where you know instead of asking hot questions and even hotter wings right subject slam your hands in various doors minivan door increasingly large machinery right pressure at the end how's your relationship with your father as long as they bring the doors to me i'd probably be

right that's true oh like and it starts the up for it. Right, that's true. Oh, and it starts the same way where they're like, that's not too bad. Hey, it's like two pieces of paper. Is it supposed to be easy early on? Oh, that one's slow. That one hits you a little bit down the way. Oh, it tingles. I'm kind of still thinking about what is this guy?

I mean, he doesn't have that many nuts. He does. I just have to keep going back to it. The memes. It's just responses are very funny. Wait. Okay. It's like a desiccated.

It's like unwrapping a mummy is what that guy looks like on the inside. Me after my third night at lunch. Yes. It is. Sorry, the lunchtime one. It's very funny to me. I like the idea of like your partner is like on a Zoom meeting, like at work. And then she's like, okay, honey.

She like shows up at the glass door and you're like, could we, it's like you're in a one-on-one with your manager and it's like i have to go and uh yeah something personal came up understand don't check twitter that's he comes back and he looks like he's like just a shell of a man yeah it's like a carapace yeah i'm not i'm just not a fan of the fact that this is entirely fake and i don't think it's good i don't think it's good for relationships don't think it's good for relationships. Yeah. I think you need to express your needs.

Yes. You need to be clear, but you need to collaborate on that. Collaborating is important because it does seem like the man who is nutting is more like a cow in a stable where he's being asked to produce goods. Kind of a flave of flave to the dynamic, in a way. There is no man. There's kind of a flame of slave to the dynamic yeah there is

no man there's no man there's no man there's no man but if there was a man he doesn't really have a say in any of this she's like sound like it doesn't even host the podcast yeah she's got some revenue yeah um what is the man i did not know that it was a fake podcast and it's so interesting that at no point in that clip did they say it was a podcast we've just become so acclimatized to the text and presentation of a podcast the mic you're talking you're looking off camera yeah it's like um i mean oh hello it's me again i'm jarvis from the podcast that you're watching right now except for i'm in the future and you can watch what i'm doing right now me and jordan are here and we're doing another episode of the podcast exclusive to patreon patreon.com slash sad boys pod for as

low as five dollars you get access to about all of our exclusive bonus episodes. And you'll get access to other fun stuff as well. Is Trump go to jail? You'll have to find out. So these guys, I don't know if their podcast is real. Well, yeah. Now what do we trust? Guys don't like hanging out with girls. We don't like to have fun and hang out with girls.

We like to sleep with girls. We like to attract girls. But if we want to just have fun and we don't want to like have that like tension, that flirtatious tension or end up sleeping with a girl, we would prefer to hang out with guys. That's just the truth. I just think this is this is just dumb shit. I just have, you know, it's like I've, you know, I got a son who's 17. I got a son who's 17. I got a son who's 13. And it's like, you just, if you just,

I would just hope that like you're watching this and you're laughing at it. There's people who watch this stuff and then they're like, Oh yes, I'm learning. This is aspirational. They get indoctrinated into using terms like beta unironically. Well, that's the thing. Yes.

Because the target audience for this is like a 17 year old boy who was like like coming into their own in adulthood and which i would say is i would say it's probably 14 year old boy but yeah yeah but that's the thing is like there is a whole kind of pipeline having an alternative where it's like oh actually this isn't the path to enlightenment that's what that's what i believe in about what you guys are doing i mean one of the things i believe in so much about what you're doing no but yeah it's you you you you're you're applying some sense right and sens. Or Jane Austen, essentially. Yeah.

Sense and sensibility written by Jordan Deacon. You're the internet's Jane Austen. To all the dumb shit out there. Yeah. And it's like, you know, I'm just sorry that you have to endure this stuff in order to then, like, you're a student of it. Right. Oh, you have to. I avoid this stuff like the to then like you're a student of it right oh you have to avoid this stuff like

the plague like yeah it is nowhere none of this stuff is anywhere in my world that's my design i think it feels almost it's a it's kind of um we are literally reacting in that i think we were just on the age cusp of them trying to get us right i've just just on the corner of okay well no i've had like 17 18 years of life experience and i've hung out with women for fun so you now saying this the most bizarre thing about that kind of statement is what's this in service of so now you don't get to now you have to pretend you don't like hanging out with women which is yeah which is who benefits i played magic the gathering with a woman last night okay all the allegations are true i hang out with women wait what about the flirtatious tension it was a black white deck sorry it was a black blue deck versus a red white deck that is flirtatious there were goblins there were flying paladins with vigilance okay i like this

girl okay i like this new job all right it was commander we were playing commander 100 card x you need a commander all right he's your nose is bleeding it was a good old time we went to the card shop and we bought some cards let go of me man yeah and i just want to normalize that that's what i'm saying but it's only depriving people i don't there's there's no reward for thinking yeah this is saying to close your world off do not open yourself to platonic friendships with women in fact i am now limiting what your relationships with with women can be and this guy is speaking he's saying we and and then he's like oh and i'm sorry you just have to see this the nut woman i've already seen that you gotta see this seven times there's a there's a sequel where she's like i need to see her after lunch

he's like he's dead My husband's in his grave. I dig him up. I exhume the body. He's getting another nut. Seven days a week I do that. Okay, okay. If you're a guy in your 20s and you don't have a Lamborghini, you should actually sit down and have a serious discussion with yourself as to why you don't have a Lambo.

Because I realize now that it's so incredibly easy and there's so much money out there and 200 grand relative to what is out there in circulation and what you can grab, especially now with AI tools that you can leverage like never before. 200 grand is Trump change. And people will say I'm out of touch with reality and they can suck it. People can say that I don't have much perspective on life and that I am actually only performing as a rich person. And I'm going to say vague things about AI technology

to do something. I don't know, make money. Well, I mean, you have sons. So your perspective is this must be threatening. You were about to be in their 20s. So where's their Lambo at? Are you disappointed in them? So does he have a Lambo?

Yeah. Of course not, actually. No, he does. He probably does. But his money comes from crypto, and it comes from dropshipping. AI technology. So that's the thing.

It's like... I don't watch people that I don't think I could be friends with. Yeah. That's my criteria like this guy yeah the i mean three words out of his mouth i'm like i don't want to know this person i don't want i don't want to you know so i don't think i'm going to learn anything from i don't i'm going to choose not to learn anything from this person right well i think being maybe that's closed-minded no i don't

know being connected and relatable is kind of the foundation of what you've done for a long time. You're getting what the kids call the ick from this guy. Because, I mean, he's saying something very incendiary and outlandish on purpose, but his whole content is built around it. Still don't know if this podcast is real. I was going to ask. These are two different podcasts,

and the other person's never in the shot. But the other shot is just oh yeah that's a porsche we're introducing you why is that a porsche all right this is we've taught linked to your commentary videos a guy in his 20s with a porsche you should be ashamed you're supposed to have right why why did he put the porsche down there yeah so his editor did it's a tiny little porsche so this is a this is a a tactic on tiktok a tiktok tactic tiktok a tiktok okay uh where to boost engagement people will put something additional content be it oddly satisfying working with slime and not a family guy clip it's called sludge content is like okay sort of sludge so it's it does it's not supposed to be the car he's talking about it's not he wouldn't have been

better off not putting a car yeah it's like it was just so it was just uncannily close yeah so this looks even more like an idiot yeah so this is like you're playing south park while you're watching some like oddly satisfying content it's like if you because if you're 15 and you have to watch someone speak oh that's boring oh no yeah so now you've got a you got a uh sweeten the deal yeah the porsche you need two different things you kind of like to be playing a whole lot of things. Sludge? Yeah, that's like the term that journalists, I think, are giving it. Okay.

It's got a lot of different names, but... Do you have, as somebody that's been on the internet for so long, did you have any desire to kind of curate your kids experience of the internet kind of maybe dampen some of the more toxic experiences people can have i i think i had that desire but boy that's a hard thing to figure out how to do yeah by the time you start to figure it out they're they're too old you know it's like i i think as a parent you're you know it's a lot of times you feel a little bit behind. Do either of them ever watch your content? Oh, do they?

Yeah. Over, like Lando, he just turned 13. He'll still go through stints where he'll watch the show. Right. He'll watch the show. He likes rat. And he's not. He just hangs out with the

red stick um it's like a babysitter you know he says he gives me good positive feedback um like this should have a lambo in it somewhere like we were talking about lando's big into studio ghibli movies which i know he's introducing me to all those movies like we saw um uh my neighbor totoro in the movie theater last week hell yeah so like i'm getting introduced to this world because i missed all of that right and i was like it's interesting it's like it's hard for me to to stay awake during these movies because they're great but they're so relaxing and then chrissy's like yeah it's it's it's like there's a lot of fun and emotion but there's not it's not as big on plot and then lando's like yeah dad that's like you you're fun and emotional no plot damn so he you were looking at yourself reflected in

hayo miyazaki's classic my neighbor totoro so So he appreciates, he watches the show, Lando appreciates who I am and what I put out into the world. Lando sounds awesome and has great taste and I think you might have lucked out. Because if your kid is showing you Miyazaki movies, we have a favorite your son. Fuck you once again. Add that to the list. I don't even want to know about the other son. He's my favorite.

We found one. So he's not on, Lando's not on TikTok yet. He's not on, he doesn't, he texts his on, Lando's not on TikTok yet. He's not on, he doesn't, he texts his friends, but he's not on social media. So like. The younger son? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Lando and then older. I mean, I don't want, if you haven't spoken about. Lincoln's 18 and then Lily's 20. Oh. Oh yeah. Cause Lily's in college now.

That is so surreal. Does that feel very weird to you? It was like whenever we were sending off to college, I devoted an entire podcast to talking about it because I'm like, I want to squeeze every moment out of this iconic experience for me as well as for her. I just want to remember this and like it's archived there's an actual history yeah so i like in other words like i would cry a whole

lot like when we dropped her off and like taking pictures of that iconic moment of her like walking away and then you know a couple months later she's she's back at home. She's like, oh, I got a few extra days. You know, it didn't turn out to be nearly as dramatic as I made it out to be. That's never in the coming of age story. No. Is the like two months later. I mean, she'll like come home and visit or like, oh, I'm taking this quarter off or I'm this or I'm that. I'm around.

And it's like, well, when are you going back again? Yeah, this wasn't as final as it felt like in the moment. I've got to record some shows or I'd cry. Could you leave again in a dramatic way? It's when her break is over and she's gone again. A TikTok of her walking away with footage of Rick and Morty at the bottom half of the screen. Sludge it up.

This podcast has a very interesting audience we have a lot of teens we have a lot of like early 20-somethings and then we have you know uh people who are parents as well and i think it would be cool to get your perspective on you know advice for someone who's in that late teen, early 20s world. You know, you've seen your own kids kind of enter that and go through it. You have a little bit of a sense of the problems that they're dealing with. So maybe you could do a little third, like secondhand parenting to the emotional perverts that are listening to the Sad Boys podcast. Whatever pressure that you're feeling, and that may be coming from inside of yourself that may be coming from somebody else may be coming from an idea that's floating out

there let's not shut down a little bit we're all just trying to figure this out i think the more that you can understand who you are and find some things about yourself that you want to celebrate. Maybe that's just privately. It's not like you got to shout it from the rooftops. You can build on that. Build on what makes you you, what gives you joy, what makes you happy, and then find somebody who loves you for who you are that you can trust when things go sideways

and you need a little help. I think that nobody's got it figured out. Like, don't put so much pressure on yourself. Just, you're doing good. You're doing just as good as anybody else. Thanks. That was actually advice for both of us. We tricked you. Thank you're doing just as good as anybody else thanks that was actually advice for both of us we tricked you thank you for giving us advice

I should have looked at you you guys are doing alright that was advice for everyone thank you L count cuddle baby snuggle baby you stupid idiot it's in parenthesis we can dub it

give us that clean snuggle baby you stupid idiot it's in it's in parentheses do you want we can dub it do we want to give it give us that clean yeah snuggle baby darvis thanks again to i'm so excited for you guys baby i'm so glad you guys are in the same space yeah you got your shit figured out at least the some of it that gets you here yeah enough to have it off my mind and and figure the rest of it out within this podcast yeah we'll do that that'll be on the rest of it out within this podcast. Yeah, we'll do that. That'll be on the Patreon. Saddle it up.

If you look closely, my eyes are kind of always thinking about it. It's always there. Check out, we're going to have a bonus episode with just the boys. Because I have to go after this, so we can't record immediately after. But we're going to have a bonus episode, patreon..com slash sad boys but we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're sorry boom the shirt says the matrix was released march 31st 1999 andrew tate was released march 31st 2023 do you understand now understand if you watch that on walmart above it just becomes a black t-shirt yeah take the red pill and give me my coffee Moving girl, how she delicate, that future girl Future girl, yeah we on now Take my money, go away, all you wanted

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