Sad Boyz - The Darkest Show On Television (w/ Samwitch)

Episode Date: February 21, 2026

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Welcome to Sab Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. Friend of the show, Sandwich is here. Hello. To child, dude. They pose with children. Little baby children.

Yeah. To cut. Hello. I am Sam. Oh, yeah. Sorry, I call you sandwich. Like, this is a reverse thing of a lot of our Twitch friends. They'll be named like Sponko.

Yeah. And Ryan is fine. And then it's like, this is our friend Sponko. And he's like, what's it? But sandwich is like, I call Sam sandwich just in real life. Yeah, it is kind of like, it feels like a full legal name for me, but it's like just odd enough that it's like, that's like, that's not your real name. I think it's like it's a little bit like how if anybody ever is referencing you, to me, they was a Sam sandwich. Yeah, exactly.

It's like first name last name. Sam, Sam, sandwich. It also allows you to cosplay or really take a step back into your childhood before you knew that Sandwich was how you said the work. It's how I say sandwich. Now forever. That sandwich come to pass. Have that name lock in. What do you think of your crazy idea?

She's a fucking witch. Have you seen her past life on TikTok? Jesus. Oh, my God. You have lore. Oh, lore. I mean, really, I just was like coming up with a couple different ones. The ones that got scrapped were like Sam on Cam, which I'm, thank God.

Very funny. Oh, that's such a 2008 blogger. The first YouTube channel that's ever existed type name. Right. The opening is like a motion graphic preset. Sam on Cam is what if I Carly was about you? Hey guys, it's Sam. And then I think Sam Hamwich was one that I liked to,

which I remember being so upset when that one was taken. How was that taken? I remember going into the guy's chat and I was like, this guy doesn't even fucking. I love it, he's live. I'm just molding in there. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah.

And then I had an underscore. It was Sam underscore which for a while. and I was bent out of shape about that forever. That was embarrassing. No, it was like, I was like, people aren't going to understand. They're going to think it's for the same last name. And then eventually I saw sandwich on Twitch and it was an account that was like unused. And I messaged them and I was like, hey, so like, would you drop this?

And it was like six months. And eventually they were like, yep, no problem. And then I snagged it. Wow. Sam underscore witch. I love your work. I've like had that experience before, but those people never go active. No, well, here's the thing is I don't have it on any other platforms.

Right. And the Twitter name sandwich I'll probably never get because it is followed by Obama. Obama follows everybody. Right, that's true. I did hear that. I felt less special. Him and John Cena. Yeah, exactly.

Oh, I thought you met Michelle. You thought the guy. Oh, that's so funny. That's crazy to assume. I guess I thought of the black woman. Obama's husband. Yes. Obama's husband.

Of course. That's both of their last thing. Michelle Obama. Obama Obama. There's a, the dog. There was a, look,

Obama's war crimes aside. He's a public figure in America and he was front row. He is kind of famous. He was front row at the All-Star game. That's so funny. And I was watching and Devin book,

Nicola Yokic is he's like running out of like towards out of bounds for the ball and he's about to run into Obama. And then And Devin Booker, like, trucks him because he's about to hit Obama. Yeah. And then Devin Booker posted it with, like, Secret Service as the caption.

That's awesome. That would be, do you, like, go to jail for treason if you accidentally stumble the president? I think, or if you don't succeed in saving him. Oh, wait. Yeah. Speaking of Obama. Okay. Thanks, Obama.

We have to talk about something important that's not even on our board. Oh. Jacob. Who'd you vote for? Pull up the clip. What, could I ask just briefly, why, whenever I see? see a clip of what it's always like one of the most story living human beings on earth they're always on a show called like expertine coffee experience that I've never fucking heard of in my entire life never in

my life it's always someone with three names oh yeah they were on um Johnny mark jones's podcast oh you listen to curtain weekend by Johnny Johnny Mark Jones yeah curtain weekend by Johnny Mark Jones can't get enough of it that and then you go to their YouTube channel and they'll have like five videos and they'll all be like very A-list celebrities and then they just stop making them. And then four subscribers. It's the most like industry plant shit ever. A dozen of views, 40 minutes of each episode is like about neutropics only.

Maybe they spend all their budget on those five episodes and then they go, wow. Wow. Shoot. Clooney didn't bring the eyes who opened for. It's like I could have warned you, I guess. Like you look so sad. My face when I reveal aliens exist.

And no one cares. No one even knows I just revealed aliens. They don't even know. Are aliens real? Oh. They're real, but I haven't seen them, and they're not being kept in, what is it? Area 51. There's no underground facility unless there's this enormous conspiracy, and they hit it from the president of the United States.

Why does this coffee look so full? What was the first question you wanted answered when you became president? So can I just take issue with Brian Tyler Cohen here? Don't you dare? He didn't ask a single follow-up question. No. Obama said yes. They're just not in area 51 and I haven't seen them.

And then he's like, and what's your favorite coffee? He's like, that America's Next Top Model episode. Yeah. Can you believe they went to Italy? I think there's a really good chance. Yeah, that's where modeling happens. I actually met ET. We touched fingers and I saw the scope of the universe and the universe look back.

Who is this guy? Do you think stranger things fell off? Did you say who is this guy? Yeah, who is this guy? He looks like he was. generated by chat chipt. If every white guy on Raya ran into each other really quickly, that's his name is lemonade stand.

He's one lemonade man. So Obama says yes. He says, yep, real. He says, we don't keep him in area 51. And then he comes up with a conspiracy. He's like, unless they, uh, they were keeping it from the president. Yeah. Why is he Rogan posting?

He's doing like full like, you know, it'd be interesting. Maybe there's a monkey underground and it does jujitsu. And maybe he's also doing the thing only I. have seen myself do, which is holding a coffee mug not by the handle. No, did you see how full it was? It was full like entirely to the top. Like, look how full. Oh, I think that's just the liner.

Oh, I thought it was full literally to the- It looks like a prop cup. It does look full too different. That's a children's plasma that he's sipping on. Also, fuck a handle, I guess. That's what I mean. That's what I'm thinking. I've done this, but I am afraid to admit it.

Well, that's crazy. So aliens are real, but, you know, I guess. And then next question, I suppose. He kind of fudged the angles a little bit. He was just like, or not. Apparently, he was the first YouTuber to interview Joe Biden. Oh, okay.

That was an electric conversation. Does Joe know that happened? That also is the least inspiring, like, first ever. It's like first woman to go to space. first man to first YouTuber Sorry Your life being

First YouTuber How was the ice cream Joe And he's like Well corn pop And he just Is loading Corn pop That's the same answer

You gave me for the aliens question And the coffee question Exactly I don't know Jack Dah Good point Corn pop

Corn pop Thank you so much For coming Mr. President Vote blue no matter who Who's gonna come get me Who's gonna come get me? Who's coming to pick me up Or he does the, when it's like the concert and he's just like,

he was vibrant, dude. How much longer do you think he has really? I thought you're going to say, how much longer do you have to do this stupid show? I'm like, you said, can I get out of here? We're getting a little political. You said this is going to be a controversial one. Can we put in the description, like really, really low?

And it just put like exciting interview with our friend, complete, utter talent and conservative right-leaning ideologue. Just all the way at the very, very, very bottom. Full name. So after staring at this frame for a few more seconds, I have a few more things to say. Yes. Speak on it. Brian Tyler Cohen initials are BTC, like Bitcoin.

Also, this was originally captured and watermarked by a X account called UAP James, which is UAP is the new term for UFO. It's unidentified aerial phenomenon. And so that is very funny. It's like if it was UFO mark I'm always a really big fan of People being like wow a community keeps being made fun of What if we kind of change the acronym?

They'll never know No it would be weird A new one just dropped oh aerospace look up nice So did they they didn't talk about this at all for the rest of the episode Never again And then they posted this clip so they were like Okay well we're just well this this is like a clip on a clip This is like the retro chiner is stealing content from

UAP James who stealing content from Brantown they're going. UFP James was watching the, the podcast episode and heard Obama say this. Whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa, he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got to clip that. We got to throw our watermark on there. What in the world is the rest of the caption? Yeah.

By official reports, blah, blah, blah, at NASA. And then, polymarket, 11% yes, till 23, and they're talking about 11% yes,

likelihood of aliens? That's the, the polymarket, kind of like how Jesus returning in, 20 by 2027 is like at 6% or something now. But the issue with, I mean, I don't have time to get into prediction markets, but. Right.

I mean, neither. Which I was going to bring that up. Yeah. Well, I was just going to say that like these things are easily gameable. Like the reason that Jesus returning is even at as high a percent as it is is because there's another polymarket bet to see if it will reach above a certain percentage. And so people are betting on that, which is then running up. The entire foundation that prediction markets exist upon is completely fraudulent in that

it's all gambling and that's all it is. Sheesh. So that's my little, thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Yeah, thank you so much. Are you, you got, you have a gamble? I was going to go do that right after this. And that's why you're asking, how soon can you get out of here? Yep, exactly.

We film in Vegas. There was actually a kick account that was re-streaming. It was so funny. Somebody found this while I was live. There was a kick account. I was playing Minecraft. They cut out my camera and put it over the top of a gambling, like slot thing, and then they were streaming it on kick. And the username was like Scatter Judy.

And it was so funny because I'm like- That was one of the names that you were thinking about. Which I was thinking about. I don't know, but it's so funny because it's gambling, but then I'm clearly talking about Minecraft, like over the top of it. That's what I was thinking. If you wanted to do that, do like those like co-working streams or something where it's just somebody typing on mute? I guess. And it had like 2,000 viewers, but the chat wasn't moving. at all. I have to imagine it's just so bizarre. It's like ad fraud. I would guess, yeah. Like,

because you would be botting so that you just cheat the ad viewership. Yeah. Because Kick probably doesn't have the same infrastructure to fight that that Twitch does. You got turned into the Lo-Fi Beats girl. I did. And then the second I clicked on it on stream, it like went offline. So whoever was doing it was like aware that I was live. That's a fan. That's really nice. That's like the double slate experiment in quantum mechanics. Maybe they were donating the money that they got from that back into my stream. Oh. That's how they paid for their subscription.

That is really nice. Thank you. Bring them back. You know what? Do that with us. You're right. Put us on kick. No.

Put this show. Let's live. Go live. Go live. Why are you clapping? We're all clapping. We're all clapping. We're clapping in the exact same time so it sounds like just me.

No. That's not true. Oh, fuck it. Um, if you got in enough trouble, would you pivot? No, I don't think so. I don't think I can, I don't, I've thought about that, like, if Twitch went down tomorrow. Like, what, I'd probably YouTube, but also I wouldn't feel like, because you, you yearn for the tube.

I do yearn for the tube. I do yearn for the tube. Um, no, I think if I could, if I could press a button and be like, uh, primarily YouTuber that streams, that would, I'd probably press that way, right, right, right. I think I'd still stream like three, two, three days a week, but like, you know, how long every day do you do right now? I do it about five days a week. I've cut my hours down quite a bit because I've decided like I'm going to start doing more YouTube stuff.

Yeah. And we talked about that. Five hours a night for like five days a week. I used to do like. Which is a lot by the way. It's still, it is a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you're not taking breaks.

You're not taking breaks and you're doing other stuff. Yeah, exactly. Like talking for five hours straight at any capacity is tough. Hank, finally someone says. Yeah. Is that like a. Oh, thank God. I was curious because, like, when we met, you were still grinding a lot on it.

But, like, you popped off since then. Is it what? Don't ask me how or why, because I couldn't tell you. I sort of, I'm just curious, is it that like, like, as you get older, it's like, wow, the years are passing by even quicker. And it's just because, like, life is getting denser. Yeah. And there's so much happening or, like, at least so many memories compounding in your brain that it was like, turn into soup.

What the hell is going on? I if you are going live that much that often there's literally like you're pushing out like high school teachers names and birthdays like that's going yeah it rots your brain you can't surely there's no space in your brain really to celebrate it that much because it's always happening yeah it definitely kind of like all merges into one bit um and then the thing that I find is that I'm just talking about my life so often when I stream that like people will be like oh how are you and I'll be like I don't I've talked about this for five hours every single day. Yeah. Um, no, it's a lot. But then there's people, I mean, like Hassan, right, who streams for like 10 hours. Yeah, every single day. He has, he has, he has, he has, like, chronic streaming disease. Yeah, exactly. When he's not streaming, he's like, what do you do? What are you supposed to do? He's wilting. When he gets banned, actually being banned as a punishment for him, because it forces him to like do things other than the streaming and he doesn't know how to do that. And now he, he found out he can go on YouTube. And so it's like, true. True.

He could ask the other parent when he doesn't get permission. His dealer went to jail and he found a new plug. He's so funny. He's tuned into his YouTube stream and the clarity was like crystal clear because the streaming over there is like better quality. But the difference between YouTube live chat and Twitch live chat is so different. And I guess that's why he likes it better. Well, he's also just been on Twitch for so long.

Yeah. But yeah, go ahead. I mean, you have somebody in your Twitch chat harassing you and it's like Pussy Slayer 7.7. But then in YouTube chat, it's like John Michael. It's like their full legal name It's Brian Tyler Cohen Yeah and they have like their their LinkedIn profile Yeah they have their IE links

Super low-risk photo of them I could find you With one kid Fishing Yeah You reverse image look up It's also at their LinkedIn profile College always

It's mostly stuff about college And then their most recent gig Which is something to do with like He's a family YouTuber Yeah he's the sports guy The funniest thing to me Not funny but there's a lot of people who cross stream.

Yeah. And so I know people who will stream on Twitch, kick, and YouTube. A lot of them are in like... And TikTok. And the TikTok when now you're trying to do that ninja shit. Remember when Ninja said he was going to stream on every platform? He said, I think I'm going to do all of them. And then he's like, oh.

He's like for 25 seconds. Yeah, exactly. This is so exciting. Why? He's like, I don't know. I literally have no idea. My problem is why. I'm so rich I could buy the bank.

That is sad. for the sole reason that they're usually the person isn't using one of the apps they combine chats yeah and so they're only looking at the chat of their primary yeah and there's a bunch of people speaking to sandwich playing Minecrafts and doing slots who were like you're so pretty can you do the slot I like why is you talking about minecraft I'm sick of this think I'm responding to them right and then you're like did you got to stop with that you just say something like that for a while just generic applies to everyone. And he's like, damn it, stupid.

She's talking to me. I bet a DM directly. I'm actually a really big fan. You got me through a difficult time. It's like I really thought that the conversation we had directly on YouTube on TikTok Live was very good. Yeah, I sit you a DM and it's a, I put, it was actually a message in your mind chat. I see, I'd say every, you know, every, everything online, every pseudonym that people are using,

it creates this fail between us. None of us can connect on as profound levels as we want to. Says the Unwoke Fool because real dialogue, real human humanity is in the un-banned request. True. That's where the veil collapses entirely. We should do a whole thing one time where I just bring all my un-band requests. I think that'd be fine.

Yeah, yeah. We'll do. They're wacky. And you know the meme of like, oh, my brother typed that. That's a real thing, people say. Or they'll say like, sorry, I was hammered. And I'll be like, what? Does that what you do when you get hammered?

Sorry, the true self slipped. I was myself too much. It's a, yeah, my kid, my kid brother typed that. and then it's the most sexual message you've ever seen. And it's like, no, they fucking didn't. There's a photo of them in it. You can't reach the keyboard. Come on.

They identify themselves. Yep. So, wait, Sam, I had a question for you, and I don't remember what it was. So I'm going to sit here and think. I want you to find it. I'm going to find it. You can get this. We can go backwards.

Did I have to do with streaming? It just kick. Oh, God. Sam Hamwich. That's, by the way, way, way too hard to say. No, it's odd. I'm so glad you're not. If you were Sam Hamwich, we're never saying.

that out loud. I think we'd probably just talk about you sandwich. One thing that I wish that I could do, I can't for obvious reasons, and now I'm too far in, is like just my legal name. Like I, this is the thing, it's like YouTubers, you guys will have your actual legal names. And I always wonder if it makes it like easier or if you wish you didn't do that. I, as a man. Congrats, by the way. I thought you were giving me your mic so that I could speak with the larger platform.

Please. Like a press. No, I think as a dude, there's certain, like, safety concerns that, like, I don't have to worry about as much. And I don't think I could recommend, like, people using their legal names. It's more of, like, a comedy thing. Whereas, um... It's transferable. Back in the day, it's like Jack Septhikeye Markiplier.

Those are not, you know, their names. Yeah. People still call Sean Jack. because they don't know that that's just... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is really interesting. It's, I think that they... That one's the only one that fucking makes sense.

They probably run into the same issue because I know when Mark made the movie, right? Like, he's not going to put like Markiplier like on the thing. I can't remember if he did or not. I think he did. I think it's a Markupai movie. A Markiplier movie, yeah. Which that's what I run into is like for when me and Caroline were doing our podcast,

I like did not want to be sandwiched. Just because we wanted to reach that kind of like normy audience. And then all of a sudden it's like relate. I think maybe by the time each of us were like doing content, like at least having to think about a named, a brand name. I'm already on careers pages as Jordan. However, I use my middle name because that was always where I'm Jordan Thomas said he could cope. Oh.

We did a thing though. In retrospect, glad I'm not Jordan Cope on every time. That would be very funny. I always thought, well, okay. There was a close one. I always thought Jordan Cope was a cool name. Cool name now too easy to bully. Too easy to bully.

But I do remember in my old LA apartment, my first LA apartment, when we were figuring out your branding. And we were brainstorming by what Jordan's like stage name was going to be. Sam Hamwich. Which was weirdly taken. And they were live. You know, like how are they still live? This guy's great.

Um, the, uh, I have sometimes get Twitter emails from the accounts that I park. Like how you said Twitter emails. Oh, I don't. Emails about Twitter. Oh, I'm like DMs. Oh, Twitter emails. Oh, sorry. I'm 95 years old.

No, I actually, I actually did mean emails from Twitter. Oh. You know, because they send like digest emails or they send like engagement emails to try to get you. I'm not on that list. I don't get these. They don't, I get it. They go to your spam. It's probably what's happening.

Probably. But, oh. Brokey. They don't even involve you. But like we, we, like, I think I have Jordan Thomas on Twitter. Yeah, that's type. Or something like that because we were, we were getting Jordan potential names just in case. This is exactly how, like, an ambitious young YouTuber is going to get really frustrated trying to get that actual name on a platform. Jordan Thomas is not available.

I can't, I get a right to line. They haven't even posted anything in years. You're going to send you a DM one day and you're going to, and I'm going to reply and say, get good, kid. See on the mountain. They're like, ooh, open that bank account. See in the fucking dojo, brother. Yeah. I know somebody that had the Twitter username Sting, like, and then ended up just giving it to sting.

Gave it. Yeah. That's crazy. Exactly. I'm, yeah, did you guys know that there's, on Telegram, there's a big, that's how I remember stuff. I have to tap the wood. Right, of course.

On Telegram, there's a huge underground market for, like, names, but you know, there's a big, You can sell them through, like, it's tracked somehow in the app. So. There's a black market for usernames. There is a black market for us. But this is like a white market. Like, it's just like more, like you can see what the transaction of the username like through the app somehow. Oh, interesting.

And, and. I get that. I could. This is how I do it. People sell them for like hundreds of thousands of dollars. Do you want to be Jordan Thomas? What the hell? Give me the cash.

I'm like your mama account. I'm like definitely afraid because I have Jarvis on YouTube, Instagram, and Twitter. Yeah, that's crazy. And I'm like afraid that someone's going to come after me. And they might. And I do sometimes. Could be anybody in this room. Someone with access to your hardware at any point in time.

Yeah, that was just a truly a miracle of both being old, being in the tech industry, and favors as well. It was just like a, it was an Infinity Stone collection quest. You've disgraced yourself through asking for it now. I think you've burned every single favor available. I can't disclose publicly the trials in tribunal. But it's just like I've just been on Twitter since 2009. The things you did. There was an episode of a podcast I listened to of this girl that she was like one of the first people that got Snapchat.

Her name was like Elizabeth or Liz. And so she got the username Lizard. And then it got hacked and they like changed her username. And basically what people were doing were like, hacking those accounts with like really unique usernames and taking them and then selling them. Yeah. And so she had to go down the pipeline to try to figure out like how this was happening and they were just selling them for like crazy amounts of money. Yeah.

I have a question for you. Okay. You're crazy for you. Crazy for a weirdo. Well, just speaking of like a previous life, personal name, non-personal whatever, you have like a re you have, in fact, you're a rare cohort maybe with us of someone that like had a real job. Oh yeah. I had a life. I didn't come out of the womb.

What is the... Are you public about that? I'm pretty public about most things, to be honest with you. Which I feel like makes it so that people aren't so intrigued into, like, digging into stuff because I talk about most of my personal life. But then they feel like they know you even more deeply. Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes they're like, it's like, hey, can I message you about your divorce?

Because I'm also getting divorced. I'm like, no. No. Please let me out of the unbearer question. And I'm like, yeah, like, why? Why we're friends? Why don't you respond to my text about your divorce? Why did you bend me?

I was just pointing out how close our addresses are. I was like, isn't this funny? Yeah. Yeah, that's one thing with the move that's happened because I just moved, which, gosh, I have to tell you those stories. People love asking personal questions about my house, you know? You know what I mean? They'll be like, so how many square feet is it?

I'm like, hey, no. What would Zillow listed? It's like, it's rainbow in the chat. He's like, can you send me? picture the ceiling. I just want to see. I just want to see. Oh,

yes. Let me pick the roof. He just does it for the thrill. That's a thing that I, um, you want to exist in a world where everyone's like a good actor, but like, depending, like it's just you, it's not something you can assume.

So I've like hosted parties, for example. And when people have like taken photos where like the window is visible, it's like, been like, hey, actually can we not do that? Like that constellation's really recognize.

Right. Right, and you could triangulate, unfortunately. Yeah. No, I 100%. I think Twitch streaming too is just always going to be like, because you're live and they're talking to you live. I mean, there's been times that I've like, like gone to another city to like visit friends and I'll have like a chat or be like, hey, like I live here. Like, do you think we could meet up? And I'll be like, no.

Like don't do that. Yeah. And it's, I get how they get to that point. Yeah. But there's like a little extra check that you have to go through where it's like, oh, oh, right. everyone feels this way about this person because I'm in a chat with a thousand people. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which also, I think, is a callous that you build up on the opposite end as well, because

like intuitively, if it's just a very small cohort of people that watch your stuff and enjoy it, you could also fall into the chat of like, it's basically a friend. Yeah, no, 100%. A hundred percent. Yeah, I think that you definitely do get to know your community a lot closer as like a streamer. It's it is a weird existence and yeah, you're live for five hours every single day. Just like direct contact with the people. You know, it's like living in your YouTube comment section. I know and it's a thing. It's a thing that I know I'm not cut out for. And

you and I, Sam, you were like a comfort person for me at any of the streamer events. True. No, I've talked about that on stream where it's like if I go to an event, I'll text you and be like, are you going to be there? And even if we don't hang out the whole time, it's like a, you know when you're in the room and you're like, I'm alone. I got to go touch base. I need to go somewhere. I need to yeah, I need to touch the wall. I need to like be comforted. I'll be like, I'll be like, well, no, because like, you're the one in five that's like, tell you what, guys, I'll drive and I'll keep an eye on you. I don't know how high the doses. I want to ask, I'll see how you do. I wanted to ask your feeling about this because we have been at a couple of

events now in the new meta of Twitch IRL. Because it's like when you, because it's, you, because it's, You know, we've been in the game for a minute now, and it wasn't always like this. No, there's been a big change. But there's been a couple of events where, let's say, you and I are eating a meal during an event. I remember a specific instance. And I'm just, yeah. And I've described that I think on the show is like feeling like you're playing Metal Gear Solid and you're like avoiding the vision cones of everyone else's cameras, IRL streaming. No, no, it's the IRL streaming, like going to events where, because it used to be, you know,

You go to a streamer's event, that streamer's streaming it, you're a guest, and that's the one POV. And the camera's pointed at the stage. Yes, exactly. Or you and you know. But now you go to an event and it's like there's 12 different streamers and they have those shotgun mics, right? So you could be like over there, but if it's pointing at you. It's picking up everything.

You really, even if you're at no point on camera, you have to act like you're on camera or you have to just be so, so careful, especially when people are with the phones, because the phones just have a great sex the mic. Yeah, now everyone's IRLing with phones. Yeah. Yeah, and they have omnidirectional microphones. I really can't hand, like, I'm, if a clip got caught of me at the stream rewards eating, I would be permanently humiliated to the extent where I would just start

wearing like a veil over my face while I ate at home by myself. It's funny because like... That's a good idea. One episode of Zabwe's where we are, we have Genshin impact characters superimposed over us. Yeah. That's not a bad idea. Worth the money at time. I think that there's a certain degree of shame that I developed by becoming an adult before

the current moment. Yes, yeah. Certain, like, IRL streamers, like, maybe at an event we've been at, you've seen someone like jump over a table and do things that are like kind of rude. Yeah. And then maybe those people, they make you go ooh and you're like, oh, that's not sustainable. And then it's a countdown to them getting canceled, like within weeks. And it was.

And it was. And it was. I love it. Here it is my home. I do not want to leave. But every now and then why I'm forced to go to like, like, back to the UK briefly or something. And there's just an overwhelming awareness that being even a little bit in the way means

you go to hell. There is, like, we were at the thing the other weekend that Anastasia brought you and me along to, which we'll grill Anastasia for one of his on the show. Oh, yeah, we'll talk about that. We went to a cool, I guess, I mean, we went to an event during NBA All-Star weekend. Yes. And we got to see some of our favorite basketball players, which was cool. And while we were there, we were trying to get over to our seating area, and there was just somebody stood cracking Pokemon packs.

Oh, I was not present for this. I was saving a different spot in case. Like, you know when you're at an event and you're trying to like get a good spot? Anastasia and Jordan went off to go find a better spot. And I was like, I'm going to hang back. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like when you're standing in the parking lot, parking space just like. Yeah.

Yeah. And you're like, okay, I hope I don't have to stay here for very long because of being an asshole. You're in Undeadburg. We're in a different bonfire, but we're just kind of waiting. I don't, gaming. Yeah. We got stuck behind someone just cracking packs with like a, in a hallway or a walking space by balcony, literally maybe the width of this table. And we were desperately trying to get through.

This guy's cracking packs. One guy's leaning over the balcony behind him to get the right angle. And we keep trying to go forward. Oh, they streaming? Were they filming? I have no idea. I guess they were filming. Yeah.

And we were trying to go past them. And then one of the event organizers? Not organizers, but like, some of you that worked in the event in some capacity was like, you need to move. To us. Oh. It's a blocked thoroughfare, a movable object. At best case scenario, we'd have to go directly in front of the camera to go through. Yeah.

And then this lady bumped into me. I spilled my drink lightly. Hit someone else. I'm like, I don't know what's going on. You're in a sitcom now. It is, I don't care your level of like, famousness or infamy maybe, but like, to, To me, the even mild possibility that I'm in the way while taking a photo or filming something. People that stand, if you want to take a photo in front of a monument and it's a single sidewalk

or something you want to take a photo, you have to take a selfie. You're a villain immediately to everyone around you. You can't five foot away, friend on the other end and then do like, oh, sorry. You can't do, ooh, sorry. You have to wait until there is no one visible. Nobody should be allowed to even look at Abbey Road. You should have to like, you have to close your eyes. You should have to do like a running, like drive-by photo.

You can't stop, do not stop. You have to strafe so it looks nothing like the album cover. No, you do feel, I mean, like, I've done some IRL streaming. Like, you feel like an asshole the whole time you're doing it. Because especially since people know, like, you walk by with the phone and they're like, that guy's streaming. But the, yeah, the new meta, I guess, like, to summarize it, I'm really excited that streaming has reached this new level.

And there's, like, people like, you know, Kai that are like constantly, like, pushing the boundaries. also at the same time, I bounce back and forth between being excited for like this new stuff that's happening and also just being kind of like, like you're making everybody kind of look like a dickhead, you know what I mean? Yeah, you are not immune from their radiation. And nobody knows if you're streaming on kick or streaming on Twitch, like nobody's going to look at a kick streamer that's live streaming and be like, like, that's a streamer.

They don't care. Or if you're like literally just doing prop better or something. And this is going to make me sound old. I feel old when I talk about it. It reminds me of the big, like, vlogging era of YouTube. It feels vlog squad. Well, that's a thing. It's like, so I, the first, like, YouTube videos I made were at the tail end of the vlogging era.

Yeah. And so I did some blogging parts and videos, like some of my old, old, old videos. And so. And so I, vlogging is, it's getting there. That's getting there. But the, but now you could have a much lighter camera. I had like a Canon, like a Canon 5B or whatever on a, on a Joby, on a Joby Gorilla Pod. And my forearm was like gigantic because I needed to like hold up this thing.

And I was doing the whole thing. And that is such an embarrassing thing to do. Yeah. Have you seen the DJI Osmo Pocket? I have that one and it is really nice for vlogging. I have a Gen 1 of those. Oh, something. Which I got in Japan.

I went to a YouTube, this is like back when I was relevant on YouTube, but the, um, YouTube, I went to YouTube headquarters in Japan and gave like a talk. Oh. And they gifted us all like little Joby, uh, Osmo Pockets. But now, if I go to an event, like Pokemon Worlds or something, every single creator has, has one. Yep. And they're all. You feel ridiculous filming with one because of what it is. But they're so great.

They're really good. I mean, DJI, hopefully they don't sell their drone technology to war zones. And I can't imagine that they would be unethical. Yeah. I do think there's probably something that like, I feel like you can compare the relationship with IRL streaming a little bit to how like smoking cigarettes was in the early 2000s where you can smoke anywhere. So they were just kind of smoking. Yeah. That was like they were at home all the time.

Yeah. It's like, well, every minute of my day, I might as well. because all of it's here. Yeah, exactly. And then all of a sudden, like, you couldn't smoke anywhere all the time. I think they're going to start doing that. I think people are going to. Those little cameras are a vape.

Yeah. Now we can just do it literally all the time. Yeah, no, it's so true. No, it's so true. I remember. And it's good for me. And it's good. It's interesting how that hasn't happened sooner.

I imagine in Miami there's got to be a lot of a lot of that. Like, because Miami is one of those hotbeds for kick streamers specifically. Oh, sure. Clivicular core. Who I just learned, by the way, is a person. just like a term like I saw a picture of him well he has a he has a horrible name yeah yeah it sounds like it sounds like it sounds like it sounds like it sounds like yeah it sounds like something you say after you land a cool skateboarding clavicular it's like totally off of the jumping text and screen

swapping 50 points i i'll tech while jacob was setting up i was watching um i was watching Hassan watch clips from clavicular stream. I love the Hassan like rabbit hole where it's on watching a clip of somebody watching a clip of somebody. Yeah, you haven't lived until you've gotten Hassan watching your video. It's like, have you been in the Hassan human centipede now? Yeah. That is the is the blue light blocker of YouTube. It's like wearing a layer in between you and the content. I need someone to hold my hand while watching. But it was um, clavicular like quote unquote quote all of this is fake anime everything staged type shit but um it is like clavicular stealing a guy's girl on valentine's day yeah and and then he's like alone with this girl and the first thing out

of his mouth is do you think Jeffrey fstein mogs Jesus and then she's like what not that I think he does anything um yeah I don't think I've ever seen like a clip of him I just saw a picture of him Oh, oh, you sweet summer child. I know, no, I'm, I've been moving, luckily. So, like, I've missed so much. And that's what I want to, I do want to talk about that. And not about clavicular. I think it's safer that way.

So two things. One, I just wanted to say, uh, we've known each other for how long now? A really long time. I think, so the first time I met you was I didn't even live in LA. I remember that. I was in Arizona. You were in Arizona. Yeah.

You had blondeish, like, you had like blonde streak or whatever. Pre lip filler. Pre-lip filler. You were just out. I was a sweet summer job. Grounded. Salt of the earth. It was an after party for Ludwig's...

No, the first time was at Muggle Money. Mogul Money. Mogal money. Because I went in and I didn't really know anybody and I saw Stans and Rochelle. And I was like, can I say it with you guys? And they were like, okay. And then you sat with us and I was like, okay, this guy's my comfort person for the next six years. Yeah, there we go.

You'll watch that. Another funny thing about that event. because it then ties into a story that I think I've told before. But XQC was there. And, oh, we're going to talk about the pizza? Yes. Yeah, that's a good one. So XQC ordered like a hundred pizzas.

And so everyone left with like three pizzas. Like, and he, and it was like a problem. Like, because why did you order this much pizza? He ordered like three pizzas per person. The funny part about that story is that he, he showed up to, because you were hosting a party. He showed up to- Well, that's the part two. Yes, okay.

Okay, because that's, because that you need that context for New Year's 2020, maybe. Yeah. Into 23? Yeah, because I was there. Yeah. And then, and then Hassan was coming to the party and he was like, can I bring some people? And Hassan does this thing that I think is very, I think it's the most like wholesome part of his personality is that when he tries to like, be a positive influence on people like Aiden Ross.

And it's like, and then he fails and he's like, damn. And then they just like farm him for like hate clicks for the rest of his life. But he was like trying to kind of like put an armor on XQC. It'd be like it doesn't have to be this way. He was like, can I bring some people? And you can I bring some people? And I was like, can I bring some people? And I was like, yeah.

And then like XQC shows up. And, what's going on, dude? Hey, dude. And so. And so then he came over to me and he was like, hey, dude, can I order some pizzas? And I was like, for sure. Someone's like, hey, I'm pretty hungry. Do you want to order something?

And I was like, I have great news. The most reliable guy. There's actually pizzas on the way. SQ who has good opinions. And I haven't heard him say any opinions. It was before the Trump thing that he did. It was before any of that stuff. He was just kind of like a Dijaned Overwatch guy.

I ask him. How many pizzas did he order? He said all of them. And he said that he got two pizzas. And there were like 70-ish people at this party. Yeah. And so he was like, last time I got the pizzas, I got 60 pizzas, and everybody's mad about the pizzas. He's calibrating.

And now I get two pizzas. Next time, 30. Not too many pizzas. But then they delivered them, I think, to the, because I just remember. Those pizzas never show them. No, no, no, I just, because that's the thing is I remember, like, we're all having a good time. like party, everybody's like socializing things are great. And ex-QC is pacing around the house concerned about the pizzas. Yeah, and then they got delivered and then he like went to get them

came in, ate the pizzas and then left. When did you move move? It was end of 2020, fall of 2022. The fall of 2020. The fall of 2020. The fall of 22. The fall of the, okay, so the two things I wanted to say, because I want to get to your moving story, but the thing I want to say before that is I'm very proud of you. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I'm, I'm, um, because I remember you moving here, you were like doing the thing. I remember, you know, like going to your old place and like going on a little hike. Uh-huh. And, uh, and I'm just- I still have that cute photo of, I think it like, uh, the dogs in the back seat, like cuddling, which was like, she's, Oki was not a cuddler. And so that was such a cute. That was a barrys in the background outside of the car window.

I'm very proud of you. Also, like, the last YouTube video, main, main channel YouTube video I worked you were like helping me with that. I talk about that all the time because, so it was the metaverse one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was so funny because I had never had motion sickness in my life. And when I remember, one of my warmest memories with you,

even though it was like a crazy time, is you and I going back and forth in the metaverse thing. And we were both getting so motion sick that we had to DoorDash Dramamine. Oh my God. So, yes. So I got to have to hire twins to play kids on sitcom So we had to do a reverse parent trend.

So that was the Metaverse video for a lot of the, a lot of the parts in the Metaverse, I just like couldn't keep the thing on. It was so bad. It's a little breaking the fourth wall. But like I had Sam do it. Yeah. And then while I was like, foot lower. It's not weird. Because like we were just like both having to trade off getting like very motion sick.

Dude, we would literally we were like sitting. We were sitting at your house. Upstairs at the table. Yeah. We were sitting at your house and we were like at the dining room table and we just were like literally like I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, like, I'm like, like, I'm like, I'm like, right. And I'm just like, like, recovering. I'm trying to like charge my old and then you come out and I have no peripheral vision. I don't know if Sam is struggling. You run to the phone in the matrix inside and get like ex. Yeah, it's like, it's like player unknown battlegrounds. Yeah. And then he hands it to me and I'm like, okay.

All right. We're going back in. in many ways that is the closest that's the closest was to knowing what it felt for Neo to enter the Matrix That's the YouTube production version

of that clip that weird misogynistic guys always post where it's like Let's see a woman do this And it's them in like the clay dirt factory Pulling the big thing And then rotating it And the dirt's flying around

But just sparks The other The other fun thing is I don't know how many thumbnails it is At this point But whenever there's like I don't like to put like if someone if there's a trend that I'm talking about like for example the subreddit where people

were rating people's appearance and stuff which hey that came back into the foreground people being normal um but I didn't want to put like a real photo of the woman that was asking for ratings right because that's um I don't know if it felt random yeah especially when it's like the context is these they're not the person doing yeah they're not the person who did anything wrong yeah exactly and so then it's like you'll notice in thumbnails uh I like use photos of Sam and I got a long time ago you sent me a bunch of photos and you were like you have permission to use these and I was like okay so it was so it was so funny because it was like like you you were comfortable enough with me where you were like hey I need a photo of a random girl for

thumbnail and I don't know who to use yeah do you know any crackers I was like and you were like you're like say less I'm gonna give the pre-evolution of sandwich this is like the Charmelia sandwich exactly yeah It's like I brought, I sent you my portfolio. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, here I look like, trad white. Show me the photo's where you look the white is. Exactly.

Me, this one's, I'm a Native American. Don't use that one. Tattoos? Yes, no. Lip filler, yes, no. Yep. Okay, so with all that being said, you, do we have, do you have the original thing I sent? Because you posted something on your close friend's story.

And I sent it to Jacob and I said, if Sam isn't comfortable with this, we won't talk about it. I showed it on my stream. You're totally fine. Right, right. But I literally was. like, oh yeah, here it is. I can read it and do your voice. Which bits, yeah, can you please?

Well. Well, let me tell you a little story. I recently hired the moving service, yeah, where I walked in on the guy where in a week. We're in a wig of mine that was in a box. Question mark, question mark, question mark. And blasted. What? Plannedemic propaganda music.

And these blasted pandemic. He was blasting. And blasted, a, plannedemic propaganda. music. The company gave me my money back. I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing. It was so stupid. What track did you have in the background for that? Oh, you got to, is there, oh, oh, I didn't take a video. Oh, let me, let me show you. So, oh, is this the plendemic song? It's, I'm pretty sure it's AI. Okay, so I'm going to play it here. If you want to, if you want to like Shazam it or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I guess, yeah. Yeah, but this is your stand-ups.

So we're still doing this, huh? People still talking about that. So that's awesome. Let me, let's just back up. Yeah, let's back up. You're probably wondering how I got to this situation. You're probably wondering how I got here. So this is hands down like the worst moving experience I have ever had throughout the whole thing.

But I think that the worst part was the movers. And because they gave me my money back, I'm not going to blast the name of them. But so I'm moving, I'm moving by myself. I'm hiring movers for the first time ever. I've never hired movers and I was like, this is going to be really nice. Which in general, it's like if you're moving by yourself as an adult, it's like, it's one of those things where, hey, I've got a little extra cash and I cannot abuse my friend's labor right now. You know, it's like, I have like a standing desk and I was like, I don't know what's going to happen with this thing if I try to put it in a U-Haul. If you've moved enough times and over large distances, you are disabused of the cutesy.

I just, I love packing. It's fun. It's like if you fly all the time and you're like, you're packing for a trip is fun. Like, no, it's fun the first eight long time. Also, like, my new place has like stairs and I was like, I'm not going to care. And also, like, I do have a lot of friends that would be willing to help. But there's something about asking. They're weak.

They're like, they're weak. They're weak. It's like taking someone to the airport. It's like, yes, it's an act of love, but do I always want to ask for it? Yes, exactly, exactly. So I ended up hiring movers. So the movers show up. And it's these two, like, Russian guys.

It's like a middle-aged guy and then- I am here to do the pandemic. Well, he shows up and he goes, are you Russian? And I go, no. And he goes, you look Russian. I go, thanks. Thanks. I'm wearing Adidas.

Oh, you're wearing a track suit. Yes. I was like, I was like. You're wearing a track suit smoking a cigarette. Here's what I was wearing. I can see why he thought this, but I was like, you're kind of stereotyping me. Like I had a red hoodie and Adidas like with the lines on the side.

And I was like, come on, man. And he goes, do you speak Russian? Like, no. Are you Russian? You look Russian. Do you speak Russian? Yeah, exactly. Do you have any?

Do you wear Russian? Where's you be Russian? Do you, are you some sort of other European? Which one are you? He thinks you're a sleeper, age. Exactly. He's like, ooh. Seven, 19, 821.

I also, I also had, well, they spoke Russian, but they were from Belarus, I think. These guys, first of all, One of the dudes was like, are you streamer? And I was like, no, YouTube or whatever. He's like, I love Twitch. Oh. And I was like, oh, cool. And then he-

I don't like YouTube stream. And then he was like- The Dashboard Limited. They don't talk back. He was a TV. He was super cool and I still have him in my phone because whenever I, he's like, if you ever need job done, just call. And I was like, I need some help mounting this TV.

And he was like, say less. Bit. He was like, a bit, actually. twin. So yeah, these guys show up and they're like asking, which is like not so, so creepy, but it's kind of like we don't really need to start on that foot. And so they start moving my stuff. And I'm kind of an anxious person.

And so I feel uncomfortable. I'm paying these guys to move my boxes, but I'm like, are they mad at me? Because I'm not helping. That's very real. Yeah, you're just like, that's very Russian. Are you sure you're not Russian? Paranoid, huh? I don't want to help.

Those are the two types. It's paranoid Russian and Russian that dies from Paco. And I will see There's also Russian that starts cryptocurrency Yeah, the third A secret billionaire A secret third option There's Russian that

Is oligarch oil baron So I I'm sitting in the yard And I'm just kind of like Letting these guys do their thing And then at some point I'm like Maybe I just go see Like how much they have done

And I walk into the shed And I walk in and this guy Is like pulling a wig off of his head Like he was caught Like you walked into your teenage son masturbating. He's like, I promise, it wasn't this. No, no, I was just, it was a pop-up.

So he, and he's got his phone. And so, like, I immediately recognize what's happening because it's like, it's like, I look at him, I look at the phone, I look down at the box. It's like, the box where my, like. He's recording a TikTok of Hannah Montana. And he's like, she's got the best of both worlds. Oh, he was doing an anime.

I want to be tracer ass. Oh, dude. And so I, like, I guess maybe it's like because I'm a woman and I don't want to like embarrass him because then of course he's going to murder me on the spot. I kind of do one of these like, what the hell? I have to say it is intimidating. Even if like just in general to have like a you move hiring movers is scary because you're usually alone. Yeah. And you've hired a team of burly men to like to know where you live.

To know where you live, no matter what you've hired people stronger than yours. Well, I don't. Oh, okay. I just want them to carry it. More Russian than me. I want them to struggle. Yeah. I like to watch them move around like little my peons.

I'm like, good look. You're an to me. I'm czar. So I see this and I'm immediately like, okay, so this guy took a wig out of my like costume box and was like taking a photo in it, which is immediately weird, but like they already have half of my boxes packed. So I'm like. And you packed the costumes?

So they can have it as a treat? Yeah. I'm like, you take that one. That one's on the house. No, it was like in a bag that was like kind of sticking out of a box. So it was like he could have. So it was like, so he's already.

I thought it was weird. Yeah. So it was like he probably saw the hairs and was like. Yeah. His impulsive thoughts like one. It's out of the boxes for me. I can look like a scarlet oh handsome. It is like when fries fall into bag.

Fair game. It's five second rule. Five second rule. I am a lot to eat. You, and do in the country, you have the five guys. They put too many of the fries in the guy box. And for some reason, there are peanuts all over the floor. For five guys, do they just start on the floor?

It's like they pour it into the bag and then kind of loosely throw it. I'd say they have a Mark Rover-style glitter bomb attached to the, attached all the bags of peanuts and they just explode. It's like, no elephant. I don't understand. Gotcha. And so, so that, so I'm obviously like uncomfortable, but they already have like, the box is loaded and stuff.

Sorry, I have to ask, is there any universe where the, what's that in the ceiling worked? Where he brought it himself? Do you think he, like, immediately got uncomfortable and I got uncomfortable and the young kid that was with him got uncomfortable. He saw it too? Yeah. Oh, for some reason I'm thinking outside. Here's why I think that I caught him because the young kid asked me if I could come do a check, you know, to like see if they had gotten everything. And so he heard the kid walking.

He identified the footsteps and then thought it was him and it was me. Oh shit. Oh, he was going to be, look, I'm your mother. Yeah, wait, so there's a young kid there. Is it like a son? Yeah, so it's like a guy and like I feel like it might be his son. That's cute. And they're arguing in Russian like in the yard kind of the whole time.

It sounds like he was just talking. Well, maybe that's the thing. It sounded like he was like lecturing him the whole time. It was just like weird. But then, so this is uncomfortable. I'm like, okay, let's get the fact. and boxes in the car, let's go. And this guy has a speaker with him the whole time that I kind of expected he was going

to play music. But he doesn't play music the whole time, except the very end when they were putting the last boxes in the truck. He puts the speaker like in the middle of the street, turns it on and plays the Plandemic AI anti-COVID soundtrack, just one of the songs. It wasn't multiple songs. He was his like, outro. I like the idea that he's like no fap but for music.

He's edging his day. Yeah, he's like, all right, all right, one song. He's like, I can't wait until I get one song. I can't wait until I get one song myself. Yeah, no, I think it was his like closing time. It was his outro to the neighborhood. Wuhan planned it. No, you should look up the song.

It's crazy. Like, there's a whole song. But I guess that's probably a college industry I just, I'm not familiar with, but there's got to be a big appeal. Yeah, there's got it. I mean, it's like, they should have had that guy at the like turning point. My truck. Oh my God, it would have been so much better than Kid Rock.

Yeah. I just want to wear my boots and I don't like the Chinese. I don't want to kiss my fish. Do you think the Koreans have them that kind of Chinese do? So we go to the next place and then moving in the next place was like fine. Like I was just like uncomfortable and stuff. And then it comes time to pay. And so he comes over with the contract.

I'm standing in like the middle of the street just sad at this point. I'm just like sad. there's a guy weed whacking nearby and I like scoot over In the shed with a wig on Yeah Everyone's lady Who up walking their weed?

I um I like move over a little bit So that I don't like I'm not in the way of this guy weed whacking And I move over The guys coming over with the contract A fucking

Dink Like while I'm standing in the street 100% I signed the contract And then right after I'm sad It's expensive I'm like And my old landlord calls me

And he says Hey it's raining at the old place and there's still some stuff outside that got left behind and I'm like this is the worst day ever yeah and so I just I was like well can you just put it in the house like I'll come back and get it um and so then I'm debating do I complain about these guys because they know where I live like what if it gets them fired and then who knows yeah yeah probably such a tricky situation because it's like I don't want it's like hey I had a bad experience but I'm sure that like like like I I don't want these people to be in trouble.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, can you just give me my money back, but like not tell them, but maybe just like tell them I was disappointed. Yeah. Not mad. But not a better music choice. Yeah, exactly.

And so I, I'm kind of ruminating on it. And I'm like talking to Caroline about it. And Carolines, I'm like, that doesn't really help. It's the same thing. She's so good though, Caroline. It's like such a such a like, I will protect you. Yeah. She's like, no, no, let me do it.

I will fight them with my face. Mama's got it. Yeah. I don't like the Russians. She is a very mama's got it person. Where are these damn ruskies? Rolls up her sleeves. And so I'm deliberating and I'm like,

fuck, maybe I just let it go, like whatever. And then I wake up the next morning. I get a text and I wake up and it says, hey, moving service. Are you satisfied with your service? And I go, Mama's not satisfied. And I text him and I'm like,

I have some complaints. I would like talk to somebody. And they called me. And like the guy that called was like, like, you know, he was like, I'm sorry that happened, like, whatever. And so they did give me like most of my money back, which I was, I was stoked about. Did you report, did you, there were details when you did your satisfaction? Did you include wig element?

Yes, which I was like, the guy probably has a really nice picture on his phone. He's got a new hinge profile photo. Right. It wasn't the wig. It was just cringe and that was a concert. I'm not mad because he wore my wig. It just looked bad. You should have picked a better wig.

Yeah. He didn't pick the purple one. He thought he was snatched. Yeah, exactly. And he was actually busted. He was just chopped even. Chopped. Yeah, I don't like my move is they weren't hot.

They were unk. Yeah, two stars chopped in unk. 60 year old secretarial worker reading this report. What the fuck? Is it a five star? What do they happen here? So then I move into this new place and immediately shower doesn't drain, heating doesn't work.

I'm standing in the bathroom just like sad because I'm like this has been the worst move ever I'm like this monta's if you stood with your head down in different locations is so funny like I'm standing in the bathroom like looking at myself in the mirror just having like a what is this like did I fuck up and I hear in the bedroom oh my god and the fire alarms oh hilarious we're running out of battery um you go you go Siri play Plandemic song I'm like you know what maybe it was that really is the getting up after slipping on a banana peel and then a bird poop on that. Yeah, it was like sitcom moment.

And then it started flooding because we had some crazy rain. Yeah, we have. And so the lobby of the apartment was filling up with water and I had all these Amazon packages being delivered because I was ordered like new stuff. And so I'm having to like carry all. It was it was actually like insane. Like it was like the worst. It was like the start of the third act of parasite. I'm like, well, I'm like, well.

Pick up family elves. I'm going to make a secret tunnel in the basement now. Luckily though, I don't have any beef with my neighbors, which I was worried about because I was like, my stream like kind of late. So I was like afraid that I was going to make beef with my neighbors. Neighbors don't hate me. Everything's good so far. Shower works again.

Heating is still busted, but we'll fix that. Has the wall, wall audio? There's multiple of them, yes. Oh, no. I have walls. It's incredible. I mean, that's a, considering how well, it was going. I thought maybe you'd be at least the ceiling.

All the walls fall down like a set. But can you hear neighbors? Ashley hear you. Yeah, but you know what's crazy is like I can hear neighbors and it is fairly noisy and I'm okay with it because then it's like everything's fair game. Like I can't be the annoying one if there. There was literally like a family going, uh, uh, the other night at like 11, like they were on a roller coaster. They were doing the wave.

One of them goes do, and I was like, keep doing that. Yes, do that. Acapella family. We had a similar experience, the house that myself and my roommates are moving into. Because the house that we're moving out of, whenever we have, like, people over for, like, a birthday or, like, a holiday or whatever, like, we get a lot of just complaints about noise from our neighbors because they're very, very, very quiet. So don't do that. Yeah. Even if it's just, like, chatting in the backyard at, like, 10 p.m., they'll complain.

And several times they've, like, filed noise complaints against. us. And so finally, like, I was moving stuff into our new place. And our next door neighbor was, like, playing loud music in his backyard. I was like, thank God. Yeah. That's how I felt it. I, like, I moved in. The guy that lives downstairs is, like, super old. I was like, he can't hear. The neighbors were, like, blasting Spanish music. I was like, this is fantastic. I was like, I'm home. Um, but, yeah, it's been good. This is like Russia all over again. Yes, exactly. The Russian guys are standing out in the street going like this. Yeah. I want to borrow a wig.

That reminds me. I want to do TikTok trend. One of my least favorite things about when I lived in San Francisco is I lived next to a busy intersection. And so I would constantly have to stop filming. And above a restaurant. And above a restaurant. I would have to stop filming because of like cars honking, sometimes car accidents. Like the amount of random stuff, it just like took me out of like my flow.

Yeah. And mine was like that with planes, which was weird because I wasn't necessarily next to an airport. They would just be keeping track of when you were filming. There was probably 10 times over the course of living where I used to live where a helicopter would be very low circling my neighborhood. Like clearly looking like I was the neighborhood people went to apparently when they were on the run. I do like the idea sometimes and this is don't do this. And it's only funny in my mind is if like a helicopter circling and then you just. sprint out of your house.

Nerve gun. Yeah, exactly. You know what's stupid about moving? How expensive boxes are to get. Crazy. The price of boxes is nuts. This isn't as useful for moving because you typically need larger boxes, but do you want to know a fun life hack? That you can get them for free.

Those USPS boxes, you can get those for free. What? Yeah. Costco used to hand out boxes like nobody's business, but I, the last couple times I've gone to Costco, Costco membership, by the way. Oh, wow. Single 31. Hey, well, this is like she knows her lines.

I feel like I, normally I'm the one hitting the, like, six one, by the way. Hight? Who knows? Different every day. Race. Yeah. Russian. Why'd you do that?

I remember when you used to go to Costco, they used to put all your groceries in boxes. They don't do that anymore. At least they didn't do it the last time I went. Sign of the Times. Yeah. Niche stand up. Chicken bakes, though. Chicken bakes

Jordan doesn't like him I think Nope I'm holding them to a Greg style standard That's funny now that I've had Gregs And they're not very good at Gregs Right But they are It's kind of like

Like McDonald's chicken nuggets Yeah If you went to like Nando's Like those are better chicken Yeah dude Nando's is really good There's just no nostalgia for me person No that's that's very real I have the I have the opposite

The one thing though That they do have that a lot of like equivalent places that in America don't have Like for example you're like coffee bean and tea leaves like don't usually well maybe they do but real croissants like the croissants at Greggs are like really good

You can't get away from a croissant in any bakery or coffee place it's messed up It's like a really bad piece of food but it's mine It's a really bad piece of food Yeah wait till you try a frozen Chicken pie personal size You eat it frozen

It warms up in your belly Yeah. They defrosted over a cup. Frozen chicken pie is like a disgusting combination of words. I know it's tough, right? Yeah. You get it at the chip shop where they slightly undercooked it. You get sick a lot.

Like, why? Chip shops is another thing that like my friends in Australia also talk about that we don't have that. They're weird. They have a other weird. And I was like, what is at a chip shop? And they were like, chips. I was like, what else? And they're like, cool thing about Australian chip shops is because of where they are, they have dim sum.

They have ditties. Oh, yes. They have a little dumpling, little dimmys. Yes. I love. You would never allow that. I had Nando's for the first time, and I was floored at how good the chicken was. Cheeky.

Just because I was expecting it to be like more fast foody. But I think it's more just like fast casual. It's cheekier than that. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I got, I want to talk about the America's Next Top Model stuff. We must. Oh my gosh. I think.

I think first. I will do Punch the Baby Monkey It's a game Bring out the baby It's not the same There's candy in it I'm like that is

Do you guys want to see something That's going to make you cry I need this This is I've had a hard week I need this This is Punch The six-month-old

Macaque monkey at the Ichikawa City Zoo in Japan Oh he's hitting the big foot He looks So upset He looks like a recently like when a little kid runs away from home with a

stick with a sack on the end of it. This is how he got dragged to time out. His mother abandoned him and then he was putting an enclosure with other monkeys and he was not accepted. No, why? So he carries around this like plush orangutan to keep him orangutan. I don't know.

I think it's orangutan. A rangutan. Technically, but people do say orangutan. I like the G at the end. I don't like, I was like, the first time I said it, I was like, that's how the it is but then I was like why does that sound wrong but anyway he carries around you want to see him yeah he he carries around this plush orangutan to keep him company it's so sad and cute oh he's doing such a bad job what an idiot what a stupid monkey okay so i have a few videos how did he end up in

an obstacle course the emotional moments when punched the monkey who went viral with the toy he never lets go of tries to make peace with other monkeys Oh, not the this music, but... Oh, fake friend. Never stays with your day one. No! No! And he's like, fine, I'll just go back to my orangutan!

This is how anime villains are... This is how they originate. This is IRL footage of me discovering I'm not socially well-adjusted, that I have no real emotion. It's everyone else in the room going, no! You go like, fucking idiot. This is my internal, this is my internal, like, imagination. when I feel like my friends don't like me.

This is what we're doing. To be fair, he abandoned his day one. He tried to level up, tried to friend mock, a friend mock, if you will, friend max. He was correctly, you know what this is? And now he's plush maxing. Yeah.

And this is like a darn man moral story. That like plushy, he's like, this plushy's homeless. I don't want to be friends with this one. And then he finds out he's like a CEO of the bank or something. Right, exactly. And they're treating him poorly. Like we don't speak.

the language. Maybe he's like going up and being like, did you see the convict? He might be the like, so where's the party at tonight? Yeah. He's six months old. He doesn't party yet. That's it seventh month. It scales. Hey, where's everybody going out? Hey, what's up? You guys got any weed? Yeah. God, I really love that weed that we spoke that one time. Oh my god. I haven't actually seen this one. Oh, he's going in? He's climbing into a concrete square, which they have, I guess. Oh, he's in. Dude, this is me in Minecraft when it turns a night time.

Dude, that looks really... And six more weeks of winter. See, again, the baby's very cute. He's a moron. Like, he's trying to get the monkey into that. No, and it doesn't fit. Choose your brain. Yeah.

Can we all get big squares? He thinks he's going to launch out. It's a cannon. She's into the top of Bobham Island so you can fight Bowser. Oh, that's a really sad? Yeah, that's the emotion. Are you trying to... Oh, I'm sad.

Right? And finally... You think he bought it with money? Bananas. I think he worked his way up from a paper clip. I'm here to prove that I can trade my way all the way up to a Maserati. And then you get stuck in a zoo. Never know what's coming next.

I have good news. He has found an adult monkey to help him groom for lice. So this is adorable. Oh, look at that. What are they... Okay, so everyone's... excited? People like this. People love this. The internet's going crazy. Sorry, I'm seeing a certain someone who's missing. Someone who's been left in the dirt. They're in between the two. They're hugging

them together. He came to life. It's like Calvin and Hobbs. He came to life. It's like Calvin and Hobbes. This is what he sees. This is what he sees. Exactly. Oh, he's trying to escape. He's so bad at it. They're hanging out with them though and they're not pushing them away, which is, I think this is good. I think this is good. They're trying. He's got company. They think he's weird, but they're happy to... They're kind of like his followers a little bit. Yeah, this is...

They're intrigued by him. This is me dual screening, Balatro, while also running through sopranos yet again. Yeah. I'm the corpse. I'm going to say, this is me, like, in the same room with one of my friends, like, both on our computers, nonverbaly.

Yeah, this is parallel play. Yeah, they're like, okay, we're letting him cook. Even though he's cooking nothing. He's like, no, there's something behind me, I promise. He's like, no, we're in a, we're trapped. We're trapped. We're like, yo. The toys are life.

All right, dude. Okay. The hooks are under my skin. We just have to get out of here. Like, we got to pick lies on this guy. Wake up, wake up my fellow monkeys. Ooh, uh-uh. We are being held captive here.

Oh, don't. What's he? Oh, he's got friends. Yeah, he won't outside leaving. No, I do like the Calvin and Hobbs theory that he can see. see the plush and the plush is like, get out, yeah. But it's whenever you come-

Nightmare, nightmare, night-were. Whenever you see Calvin's parents' perspective, the Hobbs is in a family guy death pose like that. Maybe it's, maybe it died. There's a funeral. Notice how they fuck with him after he got clout. Yeah, that's true. Oh.

Yeah, oh, now you want to hang. Now you want to follow me. Now you want to let me cook. You don't think the toys. What was it? Can you tie me in this post, actually? No, the plush was always. We always cool. We always thought it was cool.

You look good. Yeah, we were into it the whole time. He can hang. You can sit with us. Your friend's alive. Yeah. He gave up real quick. And you're welcome now. Your entire feed is going to be punched the baby one key. Yeah, you said it too many times. So that's a story with a happy ending.

Thank God. Then that's, we only have those. So far. Well, so far. Yeah, he could get rejected again. He could escape. I'll be following. I'll be following closely. I'm sure they have like a punch. What if a tourist falls in there?

They have to snipe him. Oh my God. Dude, how dare you? You know I'm distantly related to her own? Oh, I shouldn't have brought that up of it. Oh my God, almost 10 years. They're gonna 100% start selling those plushes. Oh my God.

And if they don't, I think that they should, but I don't want them to, but... They should sell the monkey. Yeah. They should, but I don't want that. But I won't. But I won't. I'm sure you can think. find the original brand.

Yeah, exactly. No, the original one will sell for $200 million. Yeah. But check the parlay on, will baby monkey be eaten by Condor? Now that we've looked at a happy story, let's talk about something that's not very happy, which is the new America's Next Stop Model documentary. Did you guys watch America's Next Top Model when it was on? I was in and out.

Okay. Because it was on UPN, which is a now defunct network. It became the CW. Yeah. I never had heard of that. I watched it on Hulu like years ago. It was a while ago, but it was not when it was on on. Right. Oh, that's interesting. I was too busy running around in the woods with no shoes on, I think, when it was like on on. You were touching grass. Yeah, I was doing that. You got you, you got enough of that and now you're moving on to be online. Running around doing that and cutting hair. Side questing. Um, no, but yeah, so did you guys both watch it? I watched it. I watched some. It was like a maybe on EF.

Maybe that day and there was an asteroid. Yeah, there was some of, I'm sure one of the British terrestrial channels, which are usually populated by like one American TV show and then four hours of a show called like nicest walk in the southern England region or something. Yes. Now what we're going to. Now here we can see the nicest walk in the southern part of England. You're right?

And they say that every episode. Here we are again. It's the same shit. This is the nicest walk. Notice the sun. is out. We don't get that very much here. It's a little, one of those shots, like Tom Scott on the, like,

by Dover or whatever, it's like, one of the most interesting spots in all of Middle England is here in Gloucestershire. Scyke, very boring. Nothing going on ever. Now, they have a sidewalk. Jealous? I thought it was pretty cool.

Here we are in Gloucestershire's first and last car. We're seeking gasoline, and we've recently invaded. They rock. You can see it's been used to escape Plaster Show. Jealous. It was me. A cheese rolled right out of the...

It's in Dragon Ball where they find trunks's mossy time machine and his carcass. They find me in Goku's pod having escaped. It's the skeletal remains. So there's a new Netflix documentary about America's Next Top Model, which if you haven't seen the show, it is a real. reality TV program in the heyday of reality TV where... Fear Factor, Survivor, that era. The real world. I feel like people don't even remember the real world, but that was, you know, one of the OG reality TV programs.

And the concept was it was a competition show hosted by Tyra Banks, who was a famous supermodel, like in her kind of peak at that time in terms of like cultural awareness and was essentially ostensibly, I should say, taking these young wannabe models under her wing and teaching them the ropes of the industry and even I think their mission that they failed on was kind of challenging some of the norms.

Yeah, it was like fear factor, but for models, basically. Fear factor, but it kind of was. Girl factor. They were like, okay, we're going to cover you in meat now. They did that. They did some of the, so the challenge. It is in the worst era of reality TV, which was all id. You know what I mean?

It was like literally what can we do for the maximal money and outrage. And there's no societal pushback, really. No, they were like trying to push boundaries. The boundaries were like moving so fast because reality TV was such a hungry monster where it was like make this more uncomfortable, push this boundaries. Like we want to see more bigger, bigger, better. And so, and people at that time, like, just weren't really fighting back because they wanted to be on reality TV shows. And I think that was the expectation of just being, like, media does, like, require sacrifice.

Like, I'm a painter, so I have to cut my fucking ear off. There was no world where you could just have a show like Love Island where it's basically just people hanging around being hot. They had to institute a big brother style game. Yeah. Like, who can wear the whole outfit on their toes? Yeah. Another thing about reality TV show back then is nowadays, you go in a reality show. Like, let's say Love Island, right?

Who the fuck cares who wins Love Island? Because everybody gets social media followers. Like, the biggest stars are not the ones that win, even. You want, like, the thing of the big, double-edged short of reality TV is you want the good edit and you don't want the bad edit. If you get the bad edit, you're a villain. Yeah, you want the Leah and Rob edit. Right.

Love Island. You have to be extremely likable. Yeah. Or hateable. Yes. And if you were in the middle, you're edited to be boring or hateable. Yep. Yeah.

Like some of that, like, we had. And then the actual conceit of the reality TV was so like it was at a extremely repressed time in our society where it's like you had a shot at love with Teela Tequila was a dating show where the conceit was get this, Tia Tequila is bisexual. Right. And she dates guys and girls. That's provocative. That's crazy.

Right. And we're going to kind of take all these things to the extreme. The first run of queer eye for the straight guys. You know, it's like, it's like the novelty was how odd it was, not how interesting it was. Yeah. Wouldn't that be fucked up? Or the show where, um, there's like some of the shows that didn't work where it was like the show where you're just judging people on how hot they are. And- I want Mary Harry. I mean, in a way, America's Next Top Model is a little bit judging people on how hot they are. It's true. Yeah. And back then with reality TV shows, like the prize was

whatever you get when you win. Right. Because there was no social media to gain along the way. So it was either you win and you get. So with America's Next Top Model, it was like, you get a contract with this agency and you get this and this. A sponsorship deal with this lotion brand or whatever. Yeah, exactly. Which come to find out, spoiler alert, didn't end up actually doing anything for them. Yeah, because they were, they were reality TV stars in a time where because social media didn't exist, because there wasn't this like ownership of an audience where these corporations could find value in influencer marketing, et cetera, they were like, what do we care? You're a lesser than you you're a contest winner.

Yeah. You want a contest to be here. You didn't earn your stripes. Yeah. Why would I want you to like I don't want I run H&M. I don't want people looking at the summer sound like oh it's that widow. That's exactly what it was is they were like, you know, when they were kind of jumping ahead. But it's important to notice like when they won America's next top model, they are actually less marketable because it was like, okay, if if you're going to walk down the catwalk wearing Gucci, nobody gives a shit what you're wearing.

They're like it's the person that we know from the thing. And we've seen all your tea. It is so weird that now that is an asset. It would be like, oh, from the thing. Not from that thing. Yeah. It is weird because, and we are jumping ahead, but they don't have that same issue with regular celebrity endorsements. No.

But I think it's because reality TV was considered. Reality TV is now, it still has a lower prestige than, you know, your Hollywood. But the numbers don't lie. Yeah. And I think now they have to respect the size of the audiences that people can generate. I'd say the value of some of a follower of George Clooney is, or it's even more contemporary, like a Glenn Powell superfan is less. Doesn't exist. He's like a less valuable asset than a super fan of like a trademann with an entirely beige house that makes their own toothpaste.

Right. That is just so much more invaluable, so much more spending. I mean, it was like Huda, I think, from like Love Island. Like, I mean, she could come off the island, do a couple brand deals and call it a day. Buy the fucking island. I mean, everybody like wants what they are. They're so hot right then, especially like Leah. Like, Leah came off and she now has her own.

Like she bought like a, I think it was like a makeup brand. And like, like she is like powerful. No. Didn't even win. I mean, it's like, it's happened in American Idol too. Like American Idol winners, like Kelly Clarkson. Carrie Underwood, they won. But you had like all of these people who didn't win, like,

Adam Lambert and, uh, and Chris Daughtry and like all these people had like way bigger careers not winning the show, getting eliminated early than, than the people who actually won because it's all about our people endeared to you. Do they like you? Do they want to support you? Is that like a femoral, like now I think you? you couldn't really boil it down to science quite yet, but I think if you, it's kind of the like,

what's porn, what's softcore, you know it when you see it. I feel that way about like celebrity style. Like I couldn't name the genre or type of engagement, but if you showed me one and said, okay, this one's going to promote cornflakes, and then you showed me another one, this one's going to promo conflicts. It's that one.

And I don't know why, but they're the right one. And at this time it's like, no, they're just like disposable assets that are, X level of famous and then I'll just chuck them away. Yeah, yeah. Now let's talk about some of the challenges. So the challenges are usually these high concept photo shoots because they're models and that's like what they'll have to do.

And they come up with some sort of conceit where they say this is super important about being a model. And then the things they do, they do a photo shoot in raw meat. Yes. They do a photo shoot where they're like the seven deadly sins where each of them did that. One of the crazier ones is they all pose as victims of horrible crimes. Yes. So a woman who's shot in the head.

Mm-hmm. Is she okay? Well, you have to watch a show. Yeah, and then, or, or, uh, she's like, my story is I've actually been, and this is, I guess, trigger wording for, like, body horror or descriptions of bodily violence, but it's, it's, obviously fake for the TV. Yeah. My story is, um, I was disembarrassed.

and all of my organs were removed. Right. Yeah, yeah, I've really got to get into character. I gotta get into character. Isn't it what Heaven's like? People trauma dumping the crazy way they died? Tyra Banks is, I assume, there. Oh, you died in your 90s from long-term disease?

Oh, I had my head exploded by a semi-truck, but I guess I'm more interested. It's like, you know how friends do like the PowerPoint catch up? Have you seen those? It's like, do that when you get into heaven? You're like, okay, we'll check. Yeah, I got some. So, so this documentary looks at some of the, and these are, these are the surface. level problematic things.

And so this, this documentary goes back and looks at. And brings, this is the craziest part. I don't know how, it must have been a paycheck. They bring Tyra, bring the other,

the, I don't remember the other two. Ms. Jay. Yeah. Manuel. Jim. Close enough.

Okay. And then, and then the British guy. Oh, Neil. Niall. Nigel. Nigel Barker. All the pieces.

Yes. Nigel Barker. Gers. Yeah. Audio. Yeah, they bring them all back. And obviously all of them have so many complications and demons and conflict with each other. And they also have the showrunner.

The showrunner. Who is, who is like a, because Tyra was, you know, she was an important part of the creation of the show. But she wasn't the puppeteer. She had even the thinnest reason to appear human. Yeah. As opposed to just being able. That's not to let her off the hook. She had an immense amount of power.

but she wasn't the in terms of the conceit of the show the guy who was the puppeteer showrunner had another he was coming off of something another show that was big I have no idea I can't remember but anyway I think his name's like Tom

Everyone has to set fire to their siblings Turn into Big Brother Can we look up the guy Jacob I just want to have his name It's like Tom something maybe Yeah I know who you're talking about About his season of Big Brother and it's just about who has the biggest brother Ken mock Sorry, it's not Tom

It's three letters though He mocked convictal He mocked him So Ken mocked Can you actually I'm curious What he made before Top model But

The Zodiac killings The You're gonna say it And I'll immediately be like Right it's one of those Wow great photo That's how you know They're really fucking evil

Is when they don't have a profile picture at all It's like when you look up I think it's like I'm okay Is it not It's like no pictures of them Um The top 1%.

Mm-hmm. Never heard of them. So there was all kinds of... So we know now, I think of reality show producers as some of the lowest moral people in our society. Yeah. Because... They're potsters.

They're what? They're potsters. Yes, exactly. Like, they get in there and they say like how... And now one of the things they were talking about in the thing, too, is like their job is to get in there and be like, do you hear what so-and-so said about you? Well, and that's always... And that's the thing I started to...

to learn from when I would like make videos about reality TV and you see like they always want to get the shot. They and we're going to talk about some of the horrible stuff. And this will, it's going to be, I'm going to have to say some trigger warnings for that when we get to it. But like it's a combination of doing something for the story. For example, in one of the girls' backgrounds, her mother had been shot and was paralyzed. And it was in a wheelchair.

And obviously they know that. And so tell me why when they do the people. who've experienced horrible, like, who are dead photo shoot, they have the woman whose mother was shot, be the one who was shot in the head. I think when, like, we pulled this one out of the hat.

What do you know? What are you? Is that like the membrane of capital thing where, uh, the ultimate justification for anybody who has just accepted, has signed up for, well, but line goes up.

Is that, well, line went up. It's, it's a classic, it's a mystery beast. Yes, it's that kind of classic argument. You're like, well, I don't know how to explain humanity to you.

I don't know how to explain empathy or care or principle. Yeah, it's like the boundary that happens in most people's heads that goes, and maybe not like, or empathy or sympathy for your fellow person. Or even, you know, just cynically speaking, cares if people think they're disgusting. Right. Like if I worked on a show, that's the thing. When I'm getting in the way while taking a photo of something or filming, something. I'm not like altruistically like I'm in the way that is wrong little part of it's

there but the other part is like wow they're going to think I'm a fucking asshole yeah do I I think there's a certain thing where it's like do I want respect of my peers for the people that are consuming my content and if your answer to that is no then it frees you up to do some of the worst shit. True you will skill tree on lock yeah no literally it's got all the best stuff yeah okay horrible I'm gonna try to walk through the tier list of horrible things that they did so So first of all, Tyra ostensibly as a woman of color in this fashion industry, which is only like the money is in staying true to all of these existing beauty ideals that are extremely like Western white, you know, thin, et cetera. And she is seemingly trying to buck those things. Seemingly.

But then the actions go the other way. because this is a thing that was, and this is where Tyra does not come off well in this documentary, she comes off as deflecting almost everything. Oh, like, just even the way she's delivering what she's saying, you're like, there is not a soul behind those eyes, you know?

It's so... She looks like the kind of person that would grab the back of your neck when she's talking to, like, to make eye contact. I love you. It's like how an LLM, like people like fall in love with ChatGBT, because it's so like validating and it says all the right things but I'm like there yeah the soul here

is very dark it's very calculated and that's like what I'm getting from and I really liked Tyra Banks from the movie life size I think that you're the second person that's said that this week and that's the only thing that I've ever heard anybody say this is her thing that I liked yeah she's kind of uh I would guess I'd compare her to me Marion the Fox from the Robin Hood cartoon some shit yeah I don't like that shit, but like... But a lot of times Tyro would be like, well, it was of the time in our 2020 lens now... She says 2026 lens. Yeah, and it's like, well...

The appeal to history thing is always a little iffy because it's like, so you just weren't moral? But it's okay. It's like sometimes I, of course, I'm somewhere in the gray area where a lot of times things are different, you know, from the past. but it's not a thing to like hide behind. It's not the question. Yeah. It's an unrelated. Exactly.

So why did you do that? Like, well, it was two thousand. Well, everyone was doing it. No one would question it and we made more money that way. Yeah. Yeah.

Why did it change? Yeah. Like someone must have. And it changed because, uh, like, because people, and I do think the internet partially

gives like people more community who were in, in, maybe felt like on the frame. of society and felt more emboldened. Or like, for example, like when we had the Me Too movement and stuff, where it's like people are finally speaking out. And it was like there was strength in numbers to empower people to speak to an experience that so many women have had, right? And we think it's good. You don't like it. Thank you so much.

Yeah. Yeah. And so tier list of horrible things. Lots of body shaming. Yeah. Lots of body shaming. It'll be like the tiniest ones. woman in the world and then they'll call her fat.

It's like it's that one girl that they were like going back to like when you said they they gave the girl the the wheelchair one when she had like the history of whatever. It was like there was this one girl that was tiny tiny and I guess she was the fat one. And so they were like they're like, okay everybody's going to get an animal for this shoot. We're all getting different animals and you're the elephant or it was like we're doing the seven deadly sins. You're gluttony.

And it was like. You're watching this just going, what the hell? But they would do that. They would like find a girl and then they would decide this was going to be her story. Right. And then all of the challenges now are circled around her story. It feels the easier and less valuable choice. It feels like a psychological, um, what, what am I saying?

It's, um, psychological torture. Yeah, it was. Like, because they are just, you were in this bubble. You can't even live. leave production after you've been eliminated because of spoiler reasons. Yeah. Yeah. So you just have everyone telling you that you're like a fat monster.

And it's like- People come into the rooms actually and just yell that at them. It's like what the fuck? And that was the other year I think where like, I'm sure there's some kind of cultural term for it, but where there is the simmering of some kind of cultural change and media knows it needs to reflect that. Everyone's going like, it's like a, I guess a good comparison would be at the kind of midpoint echelon of the Me Too movement, a ton of extremely cynically produced TV shows

would have like a single episode or something. Or like SVU would have an episode where it was just like, yeah. Oh my God, there's a Gamergate one where a stand-in for one of the primary figures that was attacking Gamergate literally is in like the, the, cold open. She just got taxed. She's looking at marriage. She got like,

Blake Lipp and she goes, they leveled up. And it's like, oh. You don't care. Like, you hate everyone in the world, but you wanted to make an episode about it. Yeah. So they're saying, like, we're into

any kind of body matters and we're here to represent them and you got to lose weight, man. You're like fucked up. So there's that. There's, there's, they also overcorrect later because they have like a plus size woman who even like even the concept of plus size has like evolved now and I think that I can't speak

for this community but what I've seen from the plus size community is oftentimes they will still take women with slimmer frames and call them plus size which like which doesn't help with the acceptance of like all body types because still conforming it's conforming to this like kind of normalizing of a standard of what a body should look like. I like black people, but I prefer light skin. They're like the nice black people. Well, that's the thing. It's like even in, there's a, there's a woman who is a darker-skinned woman,

and she was in one of the early cycles seasons. Yeah, they call them cycles. They call them cycles. And that's, is that a fashion thing? I don't think so, but I think it was because they were doing multiple a year. Eventually they were doing multiple a year. or right, maybe even from the jump. But first of all, this darker black woman, like, there's, and they're not going to discuss colorism.

That's off the table. But what they will do is not have people on hand who know how to cut her hair. And she gets like bald spots. And she was gay too. So they were like, oh, okay. Pick a struggle. They were like, all right. Yeah.

Gotcha. And so, yeah, they cut her hair. They don't know how to cut her hair. She gets like bald spots in her hair from the from the cut. Then they, she said that like, because she's in the documentary now and she's this obviously this gorgeous woman. And is talking about how when that happened,

she thought Hi was going to come and talk to her as a woman of color like, hey, as a black woman specifically and be like, oh, hey, this wasn't cool. But instead was like, oh, the producers think you're coming to set ashy. Yeah. And you need to moisturize. And then that became like a plot where they were like, other girls now and they were like okay well here's like six different products to use and then the other girls were like so the door handles are kind of oily yeah you're too oily now and it just

became like a whole story this woman cannot fucking exist like just let her be um the door handles are oily yeah because you're that's that no they did they literally they had like a sit and it was like it was like three girls and then the other girl was sitting across and they were like they were like we don't know what kind of products you're using, but like there's oil all over the house. That's got to be, uh, was it Ken Mark?

Yeah. Ken Mark sneaking in with a little bit of, uh, cocoa butter and wipe it over there. No, literally. Like that's, that's a thing.

It's like, because we don't know. And I'm, I have to believe that everything they did was like this, where it was done for the, there's no integrity to the competition. Because they would put people, like they,

they took photos and you remember what photos and poses you did. Yeah. And then you'd go up and, they'd show a photo that's clearly like one of the worst photos you took and then they'd shit on you for it. Yeah. They'd be like, so you're drooling in this one. Yeah.

Is that the best one? This was blurry. Why did you make it blurry? The photographer just seeing it's healthy. You blinked. It looks like in this one. Why were you having your eyes closed in the entire photo shoot? And I will, we will watch clips once we've continued setting the stage of how horrible

this is. So. And this is like, because I didn't watch the docro, I'm just mainly from YouTube videos. I've seen some of the more sinister stuff. And it's like Cortreasy, I remember a couple of years ago. There's like clips of Cortreasy for into the show in the doc. In the documentary? Yeah, yeah.

I've actually seen her in two documentaries. She's got a good reaction face for stuff. Broomell mangoes has got to be in a dog by now, right? I haven't seen her in one yet, but you would imagine. Maybe did he one? But, yeah, so I've seen people talk about this. But the worst one. Oh, wait.

No, there's one more that I need to talk about. Girl had a gap. Which is something I relate to. I was going to say the dentist one was pretty rough. This was crazy. Yeah. So there are two women who one woman has like, I don't know what the term is for like a snaggle tooth. I don't.

Like it's like, do we have another term for that? But anyway. I don't know. She had like a snaggle tooth. And then they're like a tooth. Yeah. It was like a tooth that pushed forward. Yeah.

Yeah. And so they took her to the dentist and then they had her do like a all day surgery to like remove the teeth and like move her teeth around. and give her veneers, basically. You know what's funny is about that part when I was watching that? Maybe I wasn't really paying attention. They never really clarified whether it panned out to give her better teeth or if they weren't better. Oh, she did talk about it. So real quick, they had her do this long.

So a couple things. These girls are all young. They're like 18 to 21 usually. But another good reason they're probably not pushing back on like anything that's happening is that they are children. Exactly. Not to mention in this dental thing, they were like, they got a waiver to sign. And they didn't have like anyone in their corner to be with them when they were like signing away the rights. And then basically.

They have even been allowed to probably. Like they weren't allowed to make calls or like call. And they'd be like, we don't have phones anymore. It literally is. I mean, your first job, you can be told pretty much anything. Yeah. You'd be like, your name is spelled with an O. You're like, you've always been song.

I still feel like, I don't think that reality TV producers are demons, exactly. But I do think that like, they exhibit demon behavior when they are all in this group think of like that system. Well, they don't want to be the guy that's like, that's too much because that guy gets fired. That's too good of an idea. That basically saying, like, that's too good. You shouldn't do the thing that's really good. You know what? This is good enough.

We did it. Let's just do it this way forever. Let's just make it so he was evil because he had autism. So this one girl, like, they remove her teeth and they basically, getting veneers is like a big operation. They shaved their teeth down and do the veneer thing. And it's something you have to cater the rest of your life. You don't just leave them forever. She said that when she was young, she had this like inferiority thing about her teeth.

And so she felt like she was like winning the lottery to be able to do this. But that's part of that's the power they wield against you. Well, and they also would say if you don't do it. Yeah, exactly. And so that literally is going to come up in this next person, which we'll get to. But the, she said that even today she has problems. Like it was all cosmetic. And none of it was like orthodontically like meant to like actually make her teeth functional.

So she has like issues with her bite and stuff. Yeah, probably nerve stuff like I would imagine like all that shit. Shift a ton in your late teens early 20s. Well, it's like you're still shifting so much. And also those women were like much, much, much smaller like their skeleton. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So it's just like, there's so much.

She's going to happen. And so then the other girl had a gap in her teeth. Yeah. And they, and then she goes into the dentist and they're like, do you want to do anything about the gap? Huh, huh, huh? Anything about that gap? And then she was, oh, ha, huh.

And then she said, no, I want to keep the gap. It's a part of me or whatever. And then. It's also like a storied model look. At that point. At that point, Tyra said, no. But that. That's also a lie because there were famous models at that point.

Twiggy, like the iconic model at that time. Yeah, that's what was so weird to me. Anyways. But yeah, so then she goes back and then Tyra like has a whole conversation with her about like how she didn't want to do anything about the gap. It's not a model look or whatever and basically gives her an ultimatum where she's going to get eliminated if she doesn't get her gap. It was so weird because she was like, do you think that you're going to do a cover girl ad and anybody's going to pay attention? They're just going to be looking at your gap. I feel like makeup, gap, makeup, that just like made sense.

Why would people look at it? All they're going to be doing is looking at you. I'm like, we don't want that in a hand. I'm someone who like had a gap and then I got braces. And it was a thing where they asked me if I wanted to. Yours was the center of your forehead. They asked me if I wanted to keep it. And for me, I just felt like it was a little silly to get braces for two years and like not do the whole thing.

But it's like, but I also before I got braces, I really had to like look inwardly and decide, I wanted to make sure I was comfortable with myself before I, like, made changes for, like, other people, you know? And I just wanted to not think about it forever. That's the same with, like, getting like a, like a preemptive heart screening or something. I'm just like, well, I don't want to wonder whether I would be happier without, because that, well, I've tried, I don't know my dozen anymore, but this tooth used to pretty much be sideways. And it, like, I can bind into an apple, right, and stuff like that. And I'm like, I'm self-conscious. I wonder if it's only that. And it's not only that, but it also feels good to, I don't know if there's resists with you guys,

it doesn't even really matter how successful something is. It feels really good to be making forward momentum. Yeah. You might not like be feeling any stronger, but like going to the gym at least feels like I'm, next time I'm like, I don't like my body. I do that when I get a gym membership. I'm like, well, I'm basically strong now. I've done the work.

Every time the direct deposit hits or to it ducts, it's like, you know what? I feel stronger actually. 24 hour fitness. I'm working out. That's so long. I drive past it, I go. Good job. Wakanda forever.

Ruth Konda forever. But yeah, so then she like, I guess decides that she wants to stay on the show and then gets it like diminished. She still has a gap now, so I'm not exactly sure

what happened in that. They may have said, I could be totally making this up, but I think they may have said something about her reversing it. But yeah, Tyra says, get the gap filled or you're out. And she goes,

How does it look? So it wasn't bracing. I don't know. I don't know how they address in this. Probably the same way they do veneers. It's just they build it closer. Build it. Build the teeth out of tooth.

As a type. Usually a gap is caused by this thing in your bone. It's like a diastoma or whatever. And so like I have an internal retainer and my gap will open up if that retainer is removed. But a lot of this stuff for me was. like I did all the orthodontic work because my bite was fucked up. So a lot of it was like fixing my bite and now like I have a functional bite. So just doing the things just for like cosmetic because I had an open bite before like my teeth wouldn't do the

scissor thing that they're supposed to do. If I bit into a burger or a slice of pizza, it could just pull it right out of my. Yeah. I had a cross bite. So I had a palate. Yeah. Kind of functionally did what braces do. And then I had invisible line later and then they put the built in retainer and then it came out like a week later.

and I was like, I don't want that in anyways. And then they were like, well, you have to wear the retainer at night for the rest of your life. And I said, I'm going to do that for three days. And then I'm going to forget about it forever. And they said that's not what I said. You have to wait for it. The internal retainer is huge for me. But it makes flossing really annoying.

Oh yeah, it just like hits it. Well, you have to use like a threader to like get into the teeth. It's a pain. So there's two more horrible things. And I do feel like we should watch clips for one of the horrible things at the very least, which is the blackface one. Which they did not once, but twice. You have to hit those.

They did two different seasons. Oh, you hate Ryan Cougler? Yeah. Oh my gosh, he's calling it. It's everybody today. Wakanda. They did it in two separate seasons. And then also in a later season, they expanded someone's gap.

Oh, sure. Okay. Right, because isn't that awesome. Right, right, right, right. Just an empty space. Double and give it to the next person. Like they open up the jar and like, careful, careful. It's just nothing.

They're like tweezers. So the horrible thing that I don't want to watch clips for, so trigger warning for sexual assault. Oh, yeah, that one's. So essentially they have like a day challenge thing where they're like going around Italy on these like mopeds. And then you get to choose your moped driver. And then at that night, they were like, hey, do you want to have the moped guys come over and we like getting the hot tub and drink and whatever?

Oh, was it like a choose the, and it's the hot Italian guys on mopeds. That was like the, okay. Yeah. And so then they come over. One of the girls who's like 21. Shanty. Shanty. Yeah.

Gets really drunk, like blackout. Yeah. And she was like, we haven't been eating all day. We've been running around town, like exhausting day. And these models are like past. I mean, also trigger warning for like eating disorders. Yeah. But like these like it happens multiple times where a woman passes out because she's not eating.

Yeah. Or they're constantly being body shamed. Like you just can't. And they. The production provides the food. So if they don't want you, it's not like you can do anything about it. There was this one scene with this girl, she was talking about it, how they, it was the girl that they were like trying to basically fat shame.

Yeah. And it was like they would give her edits that would like, like she'd be eating a bagel, one bagel. And then they would edit it to be like, okay, the bagels halfway done. And then now we're going to edit it to be full again, to make it look like she was just slamming bagels. And so it was like, it was like, yeah. And then people are commenting about it because it's like, you know, in a reality

show they're like all right everybody in love island they do this where when they're all sitting around a thing the producer tells them like basically what to talk about yeah and or what the what they should be talking about and so it's like i feel like they're doing that and then they're like yeah she's just always snacking yeah yeah exactly did you see i eat that growing bagel yeah um coming back and so she's confused and then the way that shandy describes it is she's like blacking out blacking in a hot tub which makes you that also yeah yeah And then she was like in a shower and she was with this guy. And then the storyline in the show becomes they're having sex in the shower.

And then she's talking about how she's blacking in and out and never remembers like consenting to anything. Yeah. And the it was an unspoken like it was non-consensual. She was like I was blacked out. It couldn't be. Yeah. It couldn't be. She was impaired to beyond the point of consent.

Which I think is one of, I mean, I'm guessing in the, well, no, maybe they don't say it. But that's certainly one of those things that I feel like. the cultural consensus was still an issue now, but even more at the time, a like, yeah, that's the answer. Once, if it happens, she could, could. And if she didn't, the big thing they leaned on with her was she had a boyfriend. And so they were like, well, two things. The first thing about this is I remember them saying with the filming.

So they filmed all of it. They filmed all of it. And the policy with these girls going into the bathrooms, they said, okay, if one person goes alone into the bathroom, we don't film, obviously. But because she was with this guy, that green lit the cameramen to be able to go in and film. So then they were filming this. And then because she had a boyfriend, they were like, okay, here's the next plot in this story. We're going to make you call your boyfriend and tell him.

The plot is about her cheating and not this essentially what I believe was at the very least coercive, but like seemed like sexual assault. Yeah. occurs, they make it about her cheating on her boyfriend. Yeah. And I'm like she was too drunk to consent. This is not a person who's making a decision. Which kind of seems like a setup anyway, because if I'm thinking about the demonic production room, their pitch is not like, there'll be a bunch of hot Italian guys and they'll have a great weekend.

It's like they'll be able to hot Italian guys. And then one of the ones that with a boyfriend won't be able to resist. And then the storyland. It's like we just put these people in this situation. No, the producers are salivating. They're watching this happen. go. Okay.

There is a thing where I'm like, Ken Mock is a demon, uh, actual demon incarnate when it, I, I hope it's him. It says it. And if not, then he's only a demon in theory, but, uh, where they say, oh, it's like a documentary. We have to capture everything. I'm like, you are like bullshitting through your fucking eyes, teeth and mouth because you were faking so much of this bullshit.

Yeah. You were, you were creating all these storylines. It's not a fucking documentary. Yeah. It's a documentary, but you get to choose the, plot. It's a documentary of like... Which is not a fucking documentary. It's not war journalism. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's a documentary

about a thing you made. Yeah, exactly. It's a, there's need to be reported. People need to know what I'm doing. Once it became, once that became a plot point, we had to continue capturing it. Yeah. What do you mean you had? It's like you were compelled by the forces of God. Yeah. Well, the, the shanty, one of the things she said

is, you know, she had to call her boyfriend. Her boyfriend was obviously very distraught. She's laying on the ground, sobbing on the phone. All filmed, by the way. And then they, Yeah, these guys are filming. They're filming this whole breakup and she's, and then she said that the two cameramen, like, when they were done filming her, just sobbing on the ground,

said, I'm sorry that we had to film that. So it was like, the cameramen were like, I'm sorry, you had to film it too. Yeah, exactly. It's like the cameramen, like, are still going to film it, but they're aware. They're like this fucked up. That is like a cult, essentially.

It's a cult. It's like we can't go against the glorious leader. And it's weird. It's like I do tend to place more of my blame in the people who are putting these people vulnerable people in these situations. But I also don't think no matter how tasty the cake that the Westboro Baptist Church gives me, I don't think I'm lining up with this shit.

I think I was on the production team of that thing. Sorry to maybe a virtue signaling. I think I would not just stand around. There was another one. We're not bringing up because it's in the same vein. And I can't remember the girl's name, but it was when they did the shoots with those guys that were dancing on them. And there was that one guy that the moment she walked on to the sex,

this guy, one of the guys that was meant to be dancing on her, was flirting with her asking for her number, making her uncomfortable. And then when he was... Right. It was like they were in Africa, I think. And then they had these male models come in and they were a part of the shoot and they were like dancing on them as a part of the conceit for the shoot. And so one of that one guy, he was dancing on her, but he was touching her a lot and he was like just he was extremely forward. He was asking for a number. This stuff is unprofessional, by the way, in a workplace.

I mean, just horrendous. And not that that like that ship sailed a long time ago. like at the very least, this is extremely unprofessional. It's like unprofessional, gross. It's in the show. Yeah, it's in the show. Which show? In America's Next Top Model.

Not the documentary about America. In the original airing of America's dot model, we see him flirting. We see him non-consensually essentially touching her. We see him asking for her number. Frame that way or frame more like, hey. I would say it's frame like two thousand's TV of like, he-hees. He's flirty. He likes her and she's like, she's trying to not make a fuss.

The music is maybe a little more generous. But it feels like there's a gun to your head. The camera is like a gun to your head and you're committing like career suicide if you don't behave. She does at one point. She stops everybody and she says, I'm sorry, this guy's like moaning next to me.

Like this is obviously very uncomfortable. And the camera, the whole- He's wearing like a loin cloth by the way. Like he's like very lightly-clothed. And the whole set is basically like, hey, so we're on company time right now. Can we just like power through this? Yeah, we thought you were upset about something real.

Yeah. And you just pipe down and do the shoot. Yeah, exactly. And it's bizarre because none of this is like behinds the scene footage. Like, it's just in the show. It's just in the show. That's how little people get. And she brings it up again at the shoot because the photo they use for that shoot is him just like holding her.

And she says, she says, this guy was making me really uncomfortable like the whole time. And Tyra says, well, you know, when guys are doing that, like, you don't need to like stop everybody and make a big deal out of it. you can just, you know, jovially be like, hey, buddy, back up. Like, he he ha ha. Like, she's basically saying, if you need to tell a man to fuck off, say it in like a funny way so you don't hurt their feelings. Yeah. They're wasting everyone's time.

Typically, if a guy is making unwelcome contact with you and being pushy, the number one thing he'll react to his words. Yes. Normally saying, no, thank you. Always works. Oh, my. And then I'm pretty sure. Princess, I had no idea.

I'm pretty sure 2026, Tyra, like, just says, all I was. was trying to do is teacher the things that I've learned. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, but I understand now through a modern lens why that's not. Yeah. Like, stop to just apologize, bro. Yeah.

Every response that Tyra has is either I was unaware that was going on. That wasn't my department. I was just trying to come to it from a place of love or. Doesn't that still feel like it's like it's my, if I was on someone's PR who like, like, like I figured they've been present for a while, let's just say like somebody that was a judge on Master Chef for a decade. turns out like they had a...

They're friends with like a predator and they kind of didn't. Like they kind of knew but they didn't prevent them or something. Just, you know, once... This is not actually a veiled reference or something. I'm just trying to think of something. And then they were like,

oh yeah, you know, it was kind of a thing at the time. If I was on the PR team, I would genuinely be like, look, this is... I morally believe this, but just cynically. Yeah. Apologize in like a very sincere way because the age where that

showcases weakness or unprofessionalism is over. Yeah. We're now in. wholesome chungis era. You are supposed to do that and people be like, wow. We're in the blue-haired liberal era.

That's so brave as if people know what you're doing. I don't think Tyra had anybody to help her because her answers were just. They were so bad. Do you think you have to think that way in order to like, because I'm sure that was a decent paycheck like you said, but like going on a show like that, a part of you has to think like,

I can swag this out. Yes. It is the hubris, the hubris of a career of getting away with it. Yeah. Yeah, there was a like when they brought up the shanty stuff. Like she did the

I think I remember something about that. Oh yeah. Do you remember the you looking at the roof where the guys put it on the way? What the, do you remember the sexual assault

episode? Oh no, that was... Scratching my chin. Oh, it was 20 years ago. Jesus, I mean, the names of the episode by number. That won't...

I don't think so. I don't know it wasn't there. And then, and then, yeah, it was a little bit like I wasn't there. That was the... That was Ken Mock. Like Susan Boyle was

really taken up like a lot of time. Yeah, I had to watch American Idol at prime time. Shout out. Important cultural moment for us. All right. Well, anyway, the doc is surprisingly, like it doesn't feel like it cleanses or launders their image. It feels like it shows them being horrible. And then in 2026, them coming to terms with that. And some people do a better job of coming to terms with it than others. Jay, I think that's his name Jay. Yeah, Manuel. He was the only Or Miss Jay. Not Miss Jay. Jay Manuel.

Jay Manuel. Yeah, Jim. He was the only person. Like, obviously all of them just made some awful choices. But he was the only one that seemed to have some sort of kind of like real guilt reflection type things, you know? I agree. I thought that Nigel started off strong. And then he said that thing about, basically he victim blamed about the assault thing.

And I was like, okay, well, fuck this guy in 26 as well. You can tell they're probably so confused. And you know, the fact that they all got fired inevitably probably was for the better because they were able to go, oh, wait, fuck that show, you know. Yeah, they were ousted manually and given enough time, like, come on. I think Jay Emanuel, is it manual or E manual? It just, Jay Manuel. Jay had, it seemed like more of that introspection because he tried to quit the show. and then stayed on as just talent

and started to see the show for what it was before he was fired. Was he like Brezana? Later, later, like basically he was like, I'm starting to find myself at odds with what we're doing here. I want to leave and then Tyra like said, I'm disappointed and then. It was specifically, I think like the first time they did the like, we're swapping races.

Right. And he's like, I'm from apartheid South Africa. And not the right one. That's not the kind you like. Yeah, you should definitely Do you have clips of that? Yeah, I was like, that's what I was going to say Now that we've talked about that

We can watch these clips for the horrors that they are Oh, I remember there's a clip specifically Where one of the girls is like modeling And Tyra's like, she's like, Think about what your people have been through Or something like that. To Italian. Gosh, the name of this episode

Just really has, buries the lead, huh? It really buries the lead. The girl who is contagious. Who is on? Be ready to show your true color. at 7 o'clock in the morning. Holy fucking shit. Whoa.

And now they're your true colors. She's like, wait a minute. Spiritually, I'm a black woman. Damn, they came out on extreme difficulty. Dude, this is, and I'm not letting them off by saying a lot of TV was like this, but I'm saying this stuff fucked up that time was that a lot of TV was like this.

It was so awesome. We used to build things. They got Tyra Mail. Oh, yeah, I got to sign up for that. So today, you guys are all going to have mustaches. Milk mustaches. Oh, I forgot that it was... Oh, it's a hat on a hat.

I forgot about that. Now there's a twist. We are actually going to switch your ethnicities. There's a... This thing where we're going to swap races. But the photo shoot, you're going to have milk moustaches in your Chinese. And it's going to... Yeah, that's the...

The fact that it's such a... on a hat. Like you didn't need to over complicate this. Like you just trying to hide it. Yeah. So there's like everybody has to be. It's about milk. You have to be Kenyan and there's this fun. Your bones will be so strong. These bones are the same. You can and then it's like oh my god thank you. Nutrients.

I'm about to pass out. Thank you. Thank you so much. Do you say something about racing? On the persona of that other ethnicity while in you know because ethnicity has personas. Yeah you know you know be it loud. Violet, cool, smart. Black. You're gonna be an East Indian. Tiffany, you're gonna be Native American. Brittany, an African American woman.

Ah! Griffin, Don. We're featuring you as a lot. Michelle? What's featuring you? The secret. Pima's gonna be an Icelandic Scandinavian. Tatiano?

Taitiano. A biracial woman. Wow. Swedish milkmaid. Wow. What did that? Really dark, tan, Italian, Sicilian woman.

It is a little weird that we're swapping your races. Now you white lady are going to be a different white lady. Like, I feel like they got off the hook. Yeah, was this show made in like the late 1800s? And they threw milk made into that one. Right, right.

Yeah, and then like, I don't know. Is anybody else? Seems like they're doing what they kind of just himself from white face. They're doing very little of that. That's hard of technology. This is the future liberal's one. Yeah. They want to take their beautiful white women and turn them into women of color.

We've said that screenshot that looks like she's growing another woman out of her neck. That's what milk does. It genuinely does. She's like really good CGI. How did she do that? She's wearing a black shirt hoodie. She doesn't make a wear. This is my hunger when someone says there's cookies. Yay. Me when someone said lunch just got here.

Everyone did such a good mood, I guess, because you're not allowed to not be. You're not allowed to not be. It really is. Yeah, but are you going to go, dang it? It's when I was... You're going to be African American. When I was in the, like, front row of that Lily Sing taping.

And it was like, you have to keep laughing. My face was so frozen. It was so pain. You think we can find... We could definitely find... Did you make it in the edit? Did they put... I don't...

I don't remember... I don't, it's like laws media. Does anybody deviate? Did that even happen? African woman with a head wrap and everything. Wow, the whole African. We're going full African. You know, and that shit.

They really do condense. They're like, you're going to be a traditional African woman. It's like Africa's gigantic. Like, some African shit probably. Yeah, it's like, that doesn't narrow it down really. But like, because they're doing a cartoon version of racism, it like, it like makes sense. Yeah, we're doing all of the races that were in World War I propaganda video.

Like, because the specificity of like, you're going to be a Sicilian woman, Sicily's tiny. Swedish. Like, Icelandic. African. Get a word. You're going to be from the small Sicilian village of pizza. It is funny to imagine a Italian dad taking issue only with the conflation of Italy and Sicily. That is, by the way, something that would unironically happen in black, white, and Bruno would be upset about the Italian race.

They're like, I want to be Native American. Isn't his name like Bruno Mangione or something like that? Yes, his name is Bruno Maggiomi. He's some pretty talented guy. Of course, you know, we can't always make it easy, easy, easy, right? It was so easy before. There's going to be posing with someone. By the way, that woman looked like just a girl at an anime.

That's the look. And you're going to be a wee-a-boo. Okay. You want to meet who you're posing with? Oh, yeah, I forgot. It's a hat on a hat on a hat. Jared, come here. To child, man.

They pose with children, little baby children. To cut the, the kid go like, what the fuck? All you girls are going to have a little three-year-old with you in your shop. Why are you involving the children in your demon magic? Oh, fuck. Jared's gonna have to unpack that for a couple decades. Protect the children, dude. What the hell?

Oh, my God. Can you imagine trying to like, yeah, I was like a kid actor and something? He's like, I actually, could you pull a Hulu? Whoa. Crazy. Oh, it's only a dollar to rent. Crazy.

Crazy thing is I think these kids are now like 28. Yeah. And they're all race swapped. In this video, actually. That's got to be Swedish, right? That's the Swede. Well, she hasn't had her makeup on yet. Oh, this.

I was going to say, they're swapping the kids also. That is the perfect show. That's what we lost. Yeah. So this was 21 years ago, so these people are 24 now. It's so fun. I wonder. They could be on TikTok.

They might be. I feel like they know. They gotta. I feel really bad for Michelle that she's got splotches of her face just peeling off. I know that must be really hard. But at the same time, I would never want her to have her child in her arms. What? Sorry?

What? What? What are you talking about? Oh, the girl that's contagious. That's right. It's smallpox. Oh. Well, she's not really contagious, right?

She's around every moment. They're worried about the kids. That's, but that's how they, that's how they further the story. Like, they have their narrative. Yeah, her story is that she has leprosy. The story should be that we're doing blackface. Maybe it's so unremarkable in 2006 or whatever. They're like, you really think we can make a whole story?

Black White was. black white in 2005 or 2006. I think it was 2005. Because this is 2005 as well. So it was a huge year for BlackBase. Dude, the industry most, they must have been making so much money in the... It's like the AI boom. No, the Blackface boom of 2005.

So it was just a skin, a bacterial skin infection, likely stemming from makeup bleach process. Oh, shoot. So I guess they bleached her skin at some point. And then because of that process, her skin. They bleached her hair and then they were like, the bacteria infection. It's like the, actually you're ashy. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just like the makeup they were using.

They were just swapping, sharing makeup, like all that stuff. Also, like, I don't know why they're, this feels like a moot point because you're about to put on race changing makeup. Right. Well, I guess if it's pretend contagious. Oh, right. Because that's, they put it in the title. So that's what it's about.

Okay. She's releasing spores. So we're going to watch more of this episode on our Patreon exclusive. podcast, Sad Boys Nights, but we're gonna leave... I'm gonna be a Sicilian woman. I'm gonna stick with mine. I don't feel comfortable, kind of switching it up. But thank you, Sam, for joining us today. Thank you so much for having me. Do you have anything you want to plug? Yeah, Twitch, YouTube, sandwich. Say it, what are they? Oh, okay. Sandwich, S-M-W-T-C-H.

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