Sad Boyz - The Health Influencer Who Lied About Everything

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

Jarvis and Jordan discuss their experiences in education systems and health influencer Belle Gibson, who scammed everyone into buying her cookbook. Sad Boyz Nightz #102 Weekly bonus episodes for only $5/mo at: https://patreon.com/sadboyz Join our Discord ▸ https://discord.gg/Hw82Dhun4m P.O. Box ▸ 3108 Glendale Blvd Suite 540, Los Angeles CA 90039 Play Sad Boyz BINGO ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/bingo Write To Us ▸ [e-mail] Use the subject line "Pen Palz" and we could read it on the next episode! Our Links ▸ https://linktr.ee/sadboyzpod 00:00:00 A Career In Watching Television 00:18:36 Sponsored By: Rocket Money 00:20:07 ADHD: Setting Yourself Up For Success 00:23:41 Struggling With School & Learning 00:31:07 Sponsored by: Squarespace 00:32:44 Being "Gifted" 00:48:17 Surround yourself with people you admire 01:04:57 Follow Joy & Enthusiasm 01:06:16 Fyre Fest 2 01:26:34 Belle Gibson 01:55:35 Sad Boyz Nightz #102

Welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis Jordan. Oh quick speedrun How's it feel personal best PB? Um, stop telling me to watch the white Lotus. I'm never going to watch it I don't think it's a real show. I think if you turn it on it'll just be static I don't it every time I ask somebody to explain the show to me. They go like, oh well, no It's like trying to explain a board game. They get lost in the minutiae. I'm not going to watch the show Start giving me the black Lotus. It's a trying to explain a board game, they get lost in the menu show. I'm not going to watch the show. Start giving me the Black Lotus. It's a Magic of the Gathering card, and if you have it, I want it, and give it to me.

I'm gonna keep mine, but I appreciate your interest. I saw like a season or two of White Lotus, and I cannot tell you a single thing about it. It just seems like stunt casting the show, and then they hang out, and then you ask somebody what it's about, and they go like, there's this scene. Like some stuff goes down. It's like when I'm telling people to watch Fargo.

I know they're not going to because no one does that for me. Watch that fucking show. But it's the best show ever. You and I bonded over the last season of Fargo, which was so good. I don't want to be mean. In terms of like media consumption, you aren't a human being. You are data.

You, Anastasia Vigo is in the machine. True. You're Siri for video. I jack into the main frame. I've seen you put a big wire in the back of your head, come out and be like, have you watched Memento? Uploading season two now.

Have you watched this esoteric French film from the 70s? Yeah, why have you seen so many of those? I love the cinema. You became like, who did you become? I don't know, I'm Francis Ford Gobel. Oh, cool. He doesn't talk like that. You sound like a different person.

I don't know, I like, was raised by television. Television was my mommy, my daddy. And I like movies. I was raised by television, but like I watched like the real world road rules challenge. It was more like a cool uncle. Yeah. That wasn't like something that really like gave me, I feel like it prepared me for a career in watching reality television. Which you are crushing. Yeah, that's true.

If we bundle in Jubilee, same for me. Love is Blind season eight is happening right now. It's good. Actually, it's not good. It's like good for a while. And then they did a thing where they like got more people on the show so that they could have a better hit rate for relationships. And all of the relationships right now seem like they're going too well.

And they spent way longer in the pods because I think all the drama was in the pods. Dude, it feels like that's the martial art of being a reality TV show producer, is you can find a way to get the drama out, like get them drunk. Well, it's not a reality TV show, it's an experiment. It's actually a social experiment and it's, there's a control group. That social experiment has had more like, rigor than any medication.

Like the amount of, the number of times they've tested that theory out. And I would go so far as to say the answer is no. I would say the answer is no, yes. Maybe if they get married and then run their entire relationship without seeing each other, then yes. Oh yeah. I would say love, in fact love is blind. I think that's then if you get married afterwards, it's not. It's not because then you have to deal with the physical form of your partner,

which you previously did not have to deal with. I guess you can, if the answer is can I be in love if I don't see? Yes. But I don't think we needed that theory. But if you can't see, that doesn't mean that you can't touch, feel, or physically appreciate the presence of a partner. Whereas Love is Blind is like, can you date your FaceTime? Or no, no, no, no, can you date the phone? It's like basically phone dating. It's literally e-dating, but for a shorter.

I can't believe I'm talking to a wall. Well, when you're talking to a phone, you're not fucking talking to anything. I talk to, I'll talk towards a wall all the time when I'm on the phone. It's just a long distance relationship for a bit, for really not as long as a typical long distance relationship. Better signal. It's like most of the, it's like, uh, can you meet someone on a chat room and start a long distance relationship where you eventually meet?

Is it like, it's kind of a, it's one of those shows that sort of has like a self selecting weird people thing because anyone that would sign up is a little on the peculiar. You know, I feel like this season, a lot of people are like, in terms of like the normal range, the normal spectrum, and then you can get like standard deviations away from normal. Like in the first episode there was a couple of people who they bonded over talking about alien theories and Joe Rogan, and I was like,

oh is this about to be crazy? And then that kind of doesn't go anywhere. And I was so ready to have the like QAnon couple be a part of it. Which is where most of doesn't go anywhere. And I was so ready to have the like QAnon couple be a part of it. Which is where most of those relationships go. Like a lot of normies are into those two things, but not enough to be interesting. Because most lives you don't have to go anywhere with it.

If we say like, hey, I actually like believe in aliens and I think Pizzagate was real. Well now that's tied to my job, as opposed to just saying it out loud and then going back and not talking about it. Love is mine is perfect for those conspiracy theories because you by virtue of it cannot look anything up. There's no fact checking. You spend you know how many ever like a month in the pods and it's like historical mythology. You're not allowed to you're not allowed to use I guess. So I was following someone from the show and they did a Q&A this morning. And they were talking about how after they, they basically

they live at a hotel and then they get picked up by a van and like the van takes them or bus or whatever takes them to set and they're on set all day and then they go back. And then when they get back to their hotel, they're so exhausted that usually they'll just like go to bed. But I feel like the only way to fight fake news in a love is blind pod is to bring like the encyclopedia Britannica like to your hotel room

and go look up facts at night. Did I misremember this or is the show just presented in an ambiguous way? I was under the impression that they lived on the complexember this or is the show just presented in an ambiguous way? I was only the impression that they lived on the complex. Is that how the show presents it? Well, they live in like, so the pods are like a set, basically.

They're like storage containers. Yeah, but do they, I was always the person that like, that was adjacent to a bunch of bedrooms. That was, wasn't that the first season? Because there was that lawsuit, the first season where they were living in shipping containers. I mean, I could be wrong.

Like, or at least the, were like dormitory style. Yeah, that could be a thing. They work, they like, the pods are in shipping containers, I think. But then there's also the phase after, normally the pod section doesn't last for very long, and then they move into, then they go to like a resort for a while,

and it's like their kind of honeymoon, not honeymoon, it's like their post engagement period. It's their ruining the experiment section. Right, where they find out that love is not truly blind. It's like they're doing like the Stanford Prison Experiment and then someone runs in and goes, we should kill the prisoners. Yeah, and he's like, you're messing it all up.

But then they go to, in the first couple of seasons that I watched, usually they would go to like some neutral apartment that was like paid for by production it seemed like. Oh, that's right, with gold cups and all that. And then they would like, but then I think in more recent seasons they've just been choosing to live at someone's house, but then not everyone is like in some of the earlier seasons, not everyone was local to

the town. Oh yeah, that's right. Because they used to go to the house. They introduced like a long distance relationship by accident in one of those seasons. But now it seems like everyone is in the same city. But that's weird because it's such a tricky thing because you want the relationships to be able to work, which is more practical than most reality shows because people are from all over the world and then they're like, oh, I guess I found true love. I have to like move my life.

Cause I was on The Bachelor. The only thing we've learned is that like, we do really connect when we're playing a game where we have to like pass a glass ball around or jump through a bunch of tires. Oh, you live in Singapore? Oh no. But yeah, so that's, they're doing the,

I don't know how I feel about this. They're doing the drop of a chunk of episodes every couple of weeks or something or every, I don't know how I feel about this. They're doing the drop of a chunk of episodes every couple weeks or something, or every, I don't know what the cadence is, but we'll drop three episodes or four episodes at a time. I think the next chunk comes out this Friday. And I'll be there. So I think it is weekly then.

All this damn money going on. I don't know how many chunks there are, totally. It could be going to love on the spectrum another season, but it won't. Oh, yeah. It takes a million fucking years to make a show. Give me the Australian one again. I kind of want to get back into Too Hot to Handle,

because my favorite conceit is when they're like, we find the most sex addicted people in the world, and we tell them they're on fuck island, where everyone's fucking all the time, and then everyone gets really horny, and the first night they're all like, I'm ready to fuck, are you ready to fuck? you ready to fuck and it's like it's gonna be a party fucking always and then they're like here's a Alexa and no fucking

allowed actually there's no fucking like what it's like 39 11 but you said it was um it is a I mean at this point no matter what it is that I'm into, if I'm getting handed like a sign up release for a show called Having Sex Definitely Island or whatever they're tricking me with, I'm like, well, it's probably the more popular show where you can't have sex. Right. Yeah. We've got this show.

Like, I feel like you can't, I'm curious, because they either have to have a third party casting company, because if I'm talking to someone where I know their name legally, I'm going straight to LinkedIn. I'm starting to reverse search, I'm starting to back channel, try to figure out.

It's like 2017 to 2025, liar at Netflix. But there's so many problems with, uh, we'll just dating shows in general. But the funniest thing is that love is blind has been going on now for like many, many years and they still open with the premise of like app dating. It's just not going to work. But you know what is this weird reality show? I mean, it's, it's all like silently kind of trad because same thing happens like

whenever you watch like a Santa movie or something you grew up watching and you watch it back and you're like, oh, this is about Christianity. Oh, I guess I didn't notice. I'll give it more credit because it does seem like they're trying to make these relationships work, the ones that do, but we'll see where the season goes.

But I feel like it's at the cost of less interesting television. And I don't know, like, I think the more sinister part of it, not to say I won't watch it, not to say I don't want it to exist, it's funny. But the kind of sinister element is this silent American dream pitch of like, well, love is when you stay together forever.

You can't have loved. If you break up on your deathbed, you actually weren't in love with that woman for 60 years. For me, it's contextually where some of these shows lie in relationship to one another, because The Bachelor and Bachelorette is the show that's lying to itself the most. Because it's like, all right, we found this 23-year-old and she's going to get married. And it's like, should she? You know what I mean? And then they treat it as this celebration of traditional values,

cause it's like a lot of middle America watches the show. But they're setting themselves up for disappointment because given that environment, it's just not for this world. I would say that a scenario where you can lose objectively on a show that's being televised is probably a less reliable experiment, but it's not an experiment.

That one's actually science. Yeah. That one's guaranteed to fall in love on what? How many people do they get in? Like 20? On Bachelor? Yeah. I think it starts like starts with 30. But then they start, they drop like flies. It's kind of a funny thing to be otherwise traditional relationship stuff. Same way they

did courting in the 1500s. We have bought through a collection of the world's nobility to marry my daughter. It's really funny to go through the traditional like jealousy stuff. It's really funny to go through the traditional like jealousy stuff No because like because um, you know, like there's like the trad thing where it's like I don't even want my husband to look at another woman or something like that and but you have to cope with the fact that well, the weird thing about The Bachelor is that well one they're dating a million people at once and then they also For whatever reason, kind of like how love is blind

refers to itself as an experiment, the Bachelor, they'll be like, girlfriend, boyfriend. And they'll say that, like, I have 15 girlfriends. And I'm like, what is going on? I don't know, I mean, me personally, I just want to marry Ari. Ah, that actually was the perfect show. I think we found it in, what,, 2008 or whenever that show came out.

I don't think there's anyone else with as much culture or cachet, but that people don't completely know what they look like as the Royals. So talking about like how shows lie to people, they brought back the Joe Schmo show and I haven't watched it, but that's the show where they like, lied to a guy where basically it's like, it's like Truman show where everyone is an actor except for this one dude. And he thinks he's on a reality show.

And that's like Japanese reality television. Yeah, where it's like, there's a video essay like 20 years later about how it like ruined the man's life or something Oh, dude, I think it's just over isn't it? I think if that happens to me watching the Truman show at age 10 was traumatic enough Mm-hmm now to this day if I see like a kind of a speck on the wall mix a camera No, it's a speck on the wall

Yeah, the Truman show is to happen the Truman show't happen today because the second that there's like a ad placement in the fucking, in your life, What are you doing? You're like, wait a second, why is Anastasia sponsored by Spanx? Yeah. Anastasia, why did you bring so many Tide Pods today? Is it a challenge?

Today's episode is, is kidding. I do have an update on the sleeping arrangements for Love is Blind from Refinery29. It says. When is this dated? Well, this is from season one. Oh, season one, okay. It says Kenny Barnes of season one says,

we slept in trailers and they were correctional facility beds. That might be his color. Like a bad bed. But it's like a cot. Yeah. The design was to just strip us down from our comfort level. Oh, interesting. The first four days we filmed on average, I'd say 18 to 20 hours.

Jesus Christ. Wait, on average, like, okay, I want to believe this person. And we are rightly skeptical of any networks. Filming for 20 hours for a month is, like I'm like, you can't only give people four hours of sleep for a month. That feels like a crime. That's, well that's.

Like I know they've dealt with lawsuits, but that feels so extreme. They initially record with 2,000 people and the 30 that survive get to be on the show. As of this season, I at least know based on this person who answered this question that they were in hotels. They don't show them in the hotel? No, no, no, no. They don't throw them in the hotel.

It's like that would break the, the, the, like the ideas that they, I think people want you to believe that they're either in this, um, common area or in the pod. And they are in the pods for like most of the days, 18 to 20 hours production decides their schedules. Man. I mean, look, I, I want to say, why would you need that many hours in the pod? And then I production decides their schedules. Man, I mean, look, I want to say, why would you need that many hours in the pod? And then I remembered that most people are very boring. And in order to get anything worth editing in, you have to wait for the first 16 hours. So they go like, yeah, no, I've been to Buffalo.

What do you think? It's nice. One thing I don't understand, and we don't have to talk about this anymore, but one thing I don't understand is that in that Q&A, they were like, the dates start at 10 minutes, but at the end can go up to four and a half hours. They, oh, is it in their initial little check-ins?

And so I'm like, I'm not sure how that works. Like, is it like, I wanna, like you set the snooze button to keep a date going or like how does that work? I don't know. Oh, is it they go and they're like, all right, every day is 10 minutes. They're like, oh, but I'm really liking it.

It feels like a Mr. Beast video where when you start thinking about the logistics for too long, you realize that they had to cut all of the explanation out in order to like keep the pace going. Especially Beast games where they keep realizing they've miscalculated how many people would be eliminated in a round. And then they're like, OK, five bucks,

whoever goes home right now. I had considered making a video about Beast Games, but I stopped caring to watch it, which is kind of interesting. You know when you're like a little kid and you watch a cartoon that gets canceled a season later or something, or a movie that's like later considered to be kind of shitty and you just think it's bad at the time like you're watching it you don't have an ear or lens for media

you can say why it's bad but you're a kid and you're just watching it like I don't like this like something's missing this is hollow then you grow up maybe rewatch it exactly like that yeah and then you grow up rewatch go like, oh, this is bad because of these things. That is a little bit how Beast Games is, but with, I can only imagine being a kid that loves Mr. Beast. And then watching that and being like, I like him. I think I'm supposed to like this show,

but then you watch it and it's I cannot imagine a kid sitting through that show it is so under stimulating there's these huge gaps between the game. Oh and Bryce had little Yaddis in an episode so that was cool. It's like what is he doing there? That was so funny. It seems like he lived on that island and he just turns up. They can't get rid of him. It's also funny because it feels so unplanned. I think maybe I've said this before, when he speaks, you can tell that it's heavily edited. Because we need to include him because we made this whole rigmarole,

we made this whole show of him being there, and then didn't give him anything to do or say. So every time he's in the background, I crack up. Dude, it's just like he's out of frame, too far away. And then he's right in front of the camera, and it's like trying to get around him. And then a shot of like him reacting, but it's clearly a different sunlight. It's been so long, because that's when he went, errr. Jordan, did you know that 85% of people have at least one unused subscription

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I think I took my meds late or something, but I had all these weird spirally thoughts, which usually I don't. That's like a me thing. Fall into, or I guess I should say I constantly fall into it, but the, as the day kind of goes on, I get the more things I see that remind me

of like my little comforts or, you know, the better things are and like, then it like simmers, right? But I realized like, well, why am I having these again? What's going on? Why are they? Oh, not again, again, I think I do myself a disservice on the show of how incredibly severely depressed I am, but I am also very appreciative of the conditional things.

It's very up and down, right? Sure, sure, sure, sure. There is this, like I had this moment, I'm like, what, something's different, what is going on? Why am I being introspective about stuff that doesn't matter? Why am I listening to this?

And then I went like, well, I don't have my headphones. I just didn't have my AirPods. And I realized that it was not the, that I don't think while I have AirPods in, but it's almost like when the plate stopped spinning of actually thinking about something that has forward momentum, like, okay, what am I doing today? And then what's going on after so boys and blah, blah, blah, blah. I had breakfast still hungry, but as soon as I got to the end of that,

and I started going like, Oh, yellow door. That reminds me of this yellow door I used to see. Oh God, I hated it there. Oh, I bet everyone hated me. Like the spiral. That's when I listened to the podcast. You don't have something to grab on to prevent the tide from washing you away.

I wasn't even like paying attention to this American life. But then as soon as I wasn't paying attention to anything, I like dragged back in and they're like, and that's why sewers actually can be pretty fun. I remember the glass, the glass of where they would look at the glass where they would look at me when I was in the institute. Professor X was there. Um, I know we're both, uh, want to desperately wanting to reduce the, uh,

the silence, no time with their own thoughts kind of thing. Oh yeah. But we were actually just, we were just talking about screen maxing. We were just talking about, you know. Yeah, you know what's funny? I, when I don't have my headphones, and I wish like my therapist many a time has described this thing that people do where they like, I don't know, like don't have stimulus in the moment and taking it all in and grounding themselves and I don't get it. But the- Being mental.

Yeah. But for me, I can't stop like stimming when I'm in that. Like I'll start like singing a song to myself or something or humming or whistling or tapping my toes or doing. It's like I wanna just be at ease when there's nothing but you know, easier, you know, old habits die hard. I think the fidgeting is one of those things that I think gets a lot of the

time, uh, like we didn't get any ADHD, don't need to still many, many, many years later. We're both in like a mid twenties when we were, but I remember part of the skepticism whenever it even came up as a topic when I was a kid was that, well, it's like fidgety, right? It's fidgeting. Oh, right. I was not like an active hyperactive kid. It was the small scale fidgeting.

It is those little, it's less that, well, they just naturally kind of fidget. Instead it's, they're so under stimulated that all they can do is, because they're sat in their chair, they're going insane. If I am like these days, you know can't come to I'm like going Jordan mode I keep like needing to change my this is a you've never taken this this position. How's he doing? That's incredible. He keeps falling asleep. There is something about I mean the sitting in particular. I I was You're a good student. I was terrible student. It's part of our parallel game. Yeah, we're cool. I'm fucking like Jack I'm saying you suck. I rolled high on

School for some reason I rolled high on cool Psych I was a loser also you were too cool for school, but there was I was bad at school and I was just I guess it was like good at law It was very good at lore. I was very good at learning to rule a law despite not having watched the show. I was a bad student, but I do sometimes wonder like, if I get rid of the not being able to sit still thing,

is that the blocker? Part of it's the attention and so on and so on. And like not understanding the incentives and how it can be compelling. Like not hyper-fog that just didn't happen. But then another part of it's like, I just wasn't distracted by how I was sitting. Would I have just listened to the class more?

If I was like a little less frustrated with the fact that it's like we're losing some light while I sit indoors, would I have actually enjoyed? So I loved my science class. In college, the only way I could pay attention, I would sit in the front row. And it wasn't because I was a nerd, it was because I would fuck off on my laptop

if I wasn't sitting in the front row. You need to be cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's actually sharp, dude. Yeah, well it's like I'm catching my, like putting up like, you know when you bowl with the guard rails up? That's like, I felt like I needed to create my life that way.

For example, I knew I would never study for job interviews because back in my day, you would do whiteboard coding and stuff. And I knew I would never practice that stuff. So I just became a teaching assistant for the class, where you constantly have to do that. So I would have to teach a class to do it. Constantly, so it was always fresh on my mind.

So I remember when I was interviewing at Microsoft and they were like, can you implement a hash table? And I was like, do that shit every week. Let me just fucking, brrra pop pop, you know what I mean? I was just like, watch me, dog. I'm like, this guy is so cool. Why'd you say it like that? Yeah, that's why you didn't get hired, I believe.

No, they gave me a job offer on the spot, and I was like, I don't want to work at Microsoft. What I interviewed for this for? I have a micro that's always soft. Can I? Oh, grow up. Oh, wait, what did you mean? Can you explain?

I was just developing a little bit about myself, and I'm in trouble now. Can I ask a question? When you are learning something now, like when you need to learn something, what conditions do you prefer now that you wish you had been able to have in school when you were a kid? Like for example, I have a friend who's like,

I just am better at learning at night. Oh, I think for me, if I can create a quick feedback cycle on something, then it keeps me engaged. So games naturally have that built in, which is why a lot of people with ADHD like gaming because there is a Smarter yeah, there's like a you know, there's tight loops of challenged dopamine you know reward and stuff slow progress, but with quick yeah, and so whereas like the

the slow burn or the delayed gratification of Learning is like very tough, but with like programming for example I could do i could test things out pretty quickly like i could try to run a program and then it would fail and then i have a problem to solve and then i'd solve the problem and then the kind of that loop i could keep me engaged so trying to make sure that and that loop exists for. Trying to make sure that, and that loop exists for YouTube videos, like I edit something, I watch it back, I go, no that's not right, and then I can do that. So like, anytime that loop exists, and creating that in whatever ways that I can,

kind of turning it into a game in a way, but I think that oversimplifies it, it's really about those feedback loops, is like what I need. And certain certain things like I was always bad at chemistry Not because I didn't think I had the mental ability but because I would just be cramming at the last minute always and like some of those concepts are hard to cram for and Was it communicated to you that school was important? No it was not until I had to like learn myself

because I was always like when I was younger, I was like effortlessly good at school because I had no, you know, I wasn't like a sentient. I don't think of like my youth as like being sentient even. You know, like- That's a role. That's- You know, I was just doing stuff.

And so like every that stuff like quite literally. That's a role. That's, you know, I was just doing stuff. And so like every, that stuff like quite literally just came to me naturally. But I also lucked out because it's like, I wouldn't do, I've talked about this I think before, but like in elementary school, I didn't do homework ever. I think that everyone just looked the other way. Like my desk was like full of papers that I didn't take home to do.

And people just like look the other way. And then, and then, uh. We never had desks. That would have been a perfect solution. like full of papers that I didn't take home to do. And people just like look the other way. And then, and then. We never had desks, that would have been a perfect solution. Yeah. And like, cause this was in elementary where you had like the same class. Like I remember, I think it was maybe my homeroom

where I had a desk that was like full of my shit. Oh, that's a super good one to say. That was like full of school related shit. It was like desktop and then under it there was a little gap, cavern for your stuff. But then in middle school, it was more challenging. I still didn't do anything. But it eventually caught up to me

because I remember I failed my Algebra 1 class because I just didn't turn any of the work for it. And that was like a wake-up call. And then I learned the lesson of I just need to turn something in. And then that just fixed the problem. Oh no, but then when I, in like high school and kind of a little bit middle school I was starting to because I was in like these like magnet programs I was and I was like a quote unquote gifted kid. People know that thing in America. It's like a whole

thing. I had like secondhand knowledge about the importance of school from my friends' parents. Because for me, no one had any expectations of me in my home. I was already like beyond, like I was already achieving beyond expectation or whatever. And like I have the one, I think it's around here somewhere. My mom before she passed had printed out this like, or had laminated this like newspaper clipping of when I was like the student of the year in elementary school. Oh yeah, it's right there, Anastasia. I haven't taken it out of the shrink wrap. But it's like, I just framed it because it's like one of the last like things that my mom did for me. She would like, she put this on the, she put this on like the fridge and somehow somehow, some way, this like main,

I don't know how this got back to me. I think when I got a box of stuff from storage, like it like somehow wasn't bent, ripped or whatever. And so I was like, that's a sign. So I like got it framed. But it's like reception honors outstanding young citizens. And it's like, I didn't do shit, but I was nice and I got good grades and it's all relative and it's all relative

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your first purchase. Thanks to Squarespace for sponsoring this episode. I have a similar story to Jarvis's in the fact that like I was in gifted programs and stuff and I was like, how did I get here? Like what did I do to get, I didn't do shit. But it just makes me think if you have adults, teachers specifically, who believe in you, that is more than anything else, like that works better than anything else

to better your education. Like there's a lot of studies that a lot of these outcomes, like it's a, what is it? It's a prophecy, self-fulfilling prophecy. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy because like, it doesn't matter, like in many cases, it like just matters the attention that students are getting with teachers

and like how much care is being taken. And that can directly, in many cases, affect their outcomes. And so I lucked into getting that attention and care and belief in my potential. Like it had this kind of multiplicative impact and compounding impact on like my outcomes. Cause it was like, oh, in elementary school, I was just vibing and just doing whatever.

And then I was in like a gifted class, and then like these, I think I've mentioned this before, these two Scottish women were like the gifted math teachers, and then they told me to apply to this middle school, and then I had to like write an essay to get into the magnet program there, and then I got into that, and that's where I met Russell, and then like, I had.

Do you know what magnet means, by the way? With an E, right? At the magnet. So magnet school, or magnet program. I'm from Britain, not space. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no schools after, well, I was zoned for like a different middle school, but because I was in this program, they would just like bust me to the thing. But it's like you get to go to a better school

than what you're zoned for. Yeah, I mean, we had one that you can test in. I was one of the only kids that didn't. I think I hated school. Like a lot of people talk about like not liking or not enjoying it, whatever. I think I had a very active hate for it. Like I vividly remember always feeling

like I was being lied to. Like I was surrounded by people telling me that we had to wear this uniform, by people telling me that we had to go to these classes. But I just felt like I was being lied to. And I got very, I get very angry. I had like a lot of anger issues. And I would like fucking freak out and I'd throw shit

and I was pissed off because it wasn't the like, I don't think something good could happen here. Stop lying to me. Stop telling me this matters. I know it doesn't. It may at some point, but I'm like, we're nine years old, stop lying to me. And a big part of it was my mom was like,

not that like active about it, but she was actively just like, yeah, it doesn't matter. Cause she was a high school college era dropout and became like, her success came through, literally one of the only rising grind people who ever actually exist. And so I was just like, this was her great gift

is that she was always, always emphasizing that I was inherently valuable, even if I was like bad at X or bad at Y or disapproved by this person, disapproved by whatever. And I just, I came to hate it and dis, like have an act of hate for what it does to people in general.

It's probably, I mean, it's definitely worth acknowledging that they, there are so many differences between the two schooling systems. I'm not informed on it enough to draw all of them, but there is a, like a, historically, like a culture here that first of all, you have so much fiction about it. You have so much fiction about high school here. You have so much stories about school. That is not the case in the UK. The school is this little obligation on the side. Like if you have a ton of coming of age movies

about taxes, it's weird, right? But now I look back and I'm like, I can see a world where I would enjoy something like this, but I just never ever was able to, no one, no one could ever pitch me on, well, here's how this thing could be compelling versus skipping class. Right. It sounds silly, but literally every single time someone would try and present something to me, even in a class I enjoyed, I was like, yeah, but I want to skip class more. And then I just, I went to maybe one third

of the number of classes I was supposed to go to. You know, my older brother and sister got bad grades in school. My brother- Were they stupid? They're stupid idiots? Well, the school would have you believe yes. Like my brother always had a hard time in school, never got good grades, was constantly not

turning in work and stuff. My sister never showed up. She would just ditch all the time. I was always in... I pretty much had Jarvis's same trajectory, like had people always saying like, oh, you should apply to this special high school and blah, blah, blah. And I know for a fact, my brother and sister are way smarter than me

just because I know them really well. And they, my sister's a biomedical engineer. She is like, you think I'm random facts? Meet my sister. It's like, it's like science facts plus pop culture facts. It's insane. I mean, we make fun of when you do have a random angle, but you're like, the things you know,

are aware of just come from like, you have like a wealth of experiences. You lived a very rich life. I was gonna say, you're like one of the more well-rounded people I know. Not rich in a, no, you're fucking broke, dude. You're broke ass. I've got stacks. What are you talking about?

No, broke ass. You got stacks of knowledge. But we, no, genuinely, you've just lived a very full life with a lot of like, new experiences and experimentation, and that's where that comes from. But I But it's certainly not just trivia, but I do enjoy your, you have such a wealth of anecdotes, such an admirable life that sometimes it's just funny when you go like, oh yeah, that's

so funny. That reminds me of when I was in space. Yeah. And I was like, these Mars rocks, I think this, there might be, have been water on this planet. Hey, can I have that? Yeah. And then I, so I built a robot and I had the robot take been water on this planet. Hey, can I have that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I built a robot, and I had the robot take the rocks back to NASA. And I left it there. And it's like, this is nice,

but I wanna go appreciate art history in the museum. So you guys have fun with your little space rocks. I'm going into ninth grade this year, so I'd better head off. I do think that there's something like inherent in my family, because both of my parents have this as well, where it is like a genuine interest in the world and life in general.

I've had like so many hyper fixations where I'm like, I need to know everything about this serial killer. Right. I need to know everything about. So that I can learn how to emulate them. Right. I need to know everything about so that I can learn how to emulate them. Yeah. I got, I'm a hyper focused copycat. I like, so I first learned so that I can do you know, everybody has to think of like a detective as hyper focused for drawing the strings and stuff. He's just like, I'm sorry. It's just my like, I was in my flow state. I'm clue maxing. Yeah. Go

ahead. No, but it's just like, you, you, you have a question in your head and you're like, I need to find the answers to this. And it like, when I think I told you guys probably off pod that me and my sister and brother, we had a set of encyclopedias like from the seventies. They were so old, but we would just like randomly go to a letter and read everything in that letter. That's some nerd shit for sure. Learning is fun. Learning is fun. But I think that that's, I don't even know if I believed that until I was learning things that I found

interesting or that's ironically something that you have to learn. You have to learn the methods and enjoyment of learning. And I think school does a bad job of making learning fun. They make it horrible. I felt like they were the worst ones to tell me. So it was like, let's go to, also you probably experienced this,

but you were a little bit. And Jacob, I imagined too, I was slightly validated in my like, you know, over exaggerated rivalry. Like it was, I was shadow boxing a little bit. Like the school is like, yeah, man, I'm working 90 hours a week for $10,000 a year. I'm just like, you're a scum,

as opposed to like the system that holds people back. But I was a little overzealous at it, but at the time, I just felt like I was kind of being proved right by growing up just when the internet was kinda hitting. Like, gotta be like, well, I actually don't think this thing's right, and I can prove it. I don't, so that was the mindset the mindset of like well school isn't gonna be around in like 10 years because of Wikipedia

I genuinely believed that so I was just like no, I'm not gonna go to class. I think that kind of circling back I Benefited a lot from the fact that people told me that I had potential and that people told me that I had potential. And then I began to believe that. And I didn't develop the best relationship with that because I'm still very critical of myself. But I know that I'm also capable of things. I'm capable of doing stuff.

And so I think that that gave me, and then that combined with the fact that the people that I was surrounded with, I wanted to hang, and like a lot of the people I was surrounded with were very like, smart or very like academically minded. And so even though I didn't see myself that way, I didn't wanna like embarrass myself. I didn't want to like embarrass myself.

I wanted to like be able to hang. This is so funny. So it felt like more like a game and like a keeping up with the Joneses. It's so funny. Like we, people, you know, we joke about it and stuff. And we're like, we're like, look at us with the same person. But we are in a lot of ways.

Like we do share like an abnormal, we don't even talk about in the show. We do just have like an abnormal number of similarities. Yeah. Despite being from a very, very far away from one another. But at the same time, I do think this is an interesting one where like, we are very different in this, but I think for all of the same reasons, I hung out with bad students, all of my friends are bad students, I didn't want to embarrass myself by trying.

And also I liked hanging out with them and they weren't going to class. They were like trying to make me smell cigarettes. That was more fun. The people that I was hanging out with were the people who shared my interests and weren't like, for example, my friend Russell, he was never like a big nerd. He's just like one of the smartest people I know

and just kind of like for math, like he's extremely like, I'm average to mid at math, but like compared to the average person, like I'm good at quote unquote good at math. But like Russell was like, he was taking like high school math when we were in middle school.

He was taking like college math when we were in high school. Patreon.com starts that, boys, for an episode we did with Russell, like a year ago like college math when we were in high school. Patreon.com starts that boys for an episode we did with Russell like a year ago. A while ago, yeah. And so I was always, but he was just like had genuine curiosity and was just vibing. And like we would skip school,

we skipped the PSAT to play Mario Kart. And we played Mario Party and ordered pizza at his house. And like, that was, when we were in high school, we were like, yeah, that was the best day ever. And so it was just like, one of those things where I just shared, like Russell and I shared a ton of, we like learned to code together, we like made YouTube videos together,

and we learned to screen print t-shirts, we like started a podcast when we were 14. So we would like do all of these, like learn to solve Rubik's cubes together. So it would just be like this thing of- Great montage. Yeah. I could, as you guys running along and typing in a glade.

Yeah, literally we were like on a Skype call at like 16, trying to learn C++ and going, what the fuck is this? Horrible first language to try and learn by the way, if you do not know how to program. Stepping out of a dressing room with a completed Rubik's cube. Yeah. And he's like this. And so I think that there was that thing where it was like, oh, well, Russell gets good grades. So I should probably get good grades. And then his parents are like, you know, he was going and visiting colleges and Carnegie Mellon's like the, at the time, and probably still, but like the best.

Jacob, look up top schools for computer science, top universities for computer science. Chills video. Yeah. So Carnegie Mellon is still number one here. And then, and so I wanted to get into CMU, Russell went to CMU, I wanted to get into CMU. I got like wait listed or something. And, but then scroll down.

Oh yeah, there's, I think it's four. Keep scrolling, I think past the ad. Oh, look at that, number seven. So I went to Georgia Tech, which is number seven, and like, but I thought I was a failure. You know what I mean? Like, which is such an interesting way to think about it. It was like a consolation prize.

Oh yeah, I was. Even though it actually ended up being amazing for both of us to have gone to different things, meet new people, I like came into my own, because I always felt like I wasn't in his shadow, but I was kind of like, he was like my safe space, so I was like kind of hiding behind him in a lot of ways. And so this allowed me to come into my own,

and then I actually loved tech, Georgia Tech, and that ended up being super good. But there was this whole, it wasn't competition, and that ended up being super good. But there was this whole, it wasn't competition, but it was wanting to feel like I was able to hang with the people that I liked. Yeah. I do think peer influence is, like- Your network is your net worth, baby

Your haters become your waiters Which is bad if it rhymes that must be true. I majored in linguistics in undergrad and like your Language from your parents is like yeah, that's influential in like the first few years But the bigger influence is your peers. And that's true for most of childhood. Like your parents, it's like, yeah, whatever, but you're trying to leave the nest. Yeah, you're drifting towards that being bad.

That's now actively not good. So over time, your parents become less influential and your peers become more influential. And so sadly, all of those after school specials are correct. I think I also. You should smoke cigarettes. I think I like to surround myself with people

who I admire for whatever reason. Even my friends, I think it's like, it's not like I'm an admirer, but I think they have qualities that I think are cool and I not look up to them, but I'm like, I wanna be closer to that. So it's like, Jordan, I feel like I was gravitated towards you because I admired your charisma

and how funny you were and how intelligent I think you are and even though you'll disagree with me, but whatever. Or like Anastasia, like I thought you were my, like in my mind, okay, no offense to anyone else, but like you were like the funniest person in our improv class. So I was like, oh, I wanna, you know, I wanna be closer to this person.

That class. Suck it, rest it. The class. That was not on the top 20 on that list, unfortunately, that class. I do think Anastasia is like a uniquely compelling person. I mean, like, everyone likes you. I'm sure there's maybe people in your life that don't,

but I just, you know, amongst that standard friend group. I do think part of it is just, it's like affable and friendliness, but I think there is just also like a sincere curiosity. Encyclopedia reading, I guess, is a version of that. But I mean, like, if I could send a message back to the younger version of the two of us and maybe yourself and basically just everyone under the age of like 25 is that everyone likes genuine curiosity and like...

Charisma and interest. Soft, real charisma. Everyone like The Uncanny valley, you can tell performance. Not just lies, but exaggeration. If you say you've seen a movie that you haven't, even if they don't think you're lying, the part of them knows. Like it erodes it. Enthusiasm is like, when you're young, I think enthusiasm can be something that is looked down upon. I actually don't care about anything. Yeah, yeah. Cause that's what's cool.

You can't hurt me because I have no weak spots. You know, it's so, I mean, first of all, you guys are being so nice and I feel like, Jacob's coming over to me. Jacob leaps over the computer to like, just give us a flying high five. End of season. I did not know I was going to be... On the spot.

Hyped up today. But so thank you guys. But I want to say to listeners, I thought I was the most annoying, loudest, stupidest, ugliest, like I thought I was the worst. Just because of that text I sent you. I feel the same. You send me every single morning when I wake up. And then I say sorry an hour later.

I feel the same way, like I thought so, like I didn't contextualize very well. And so, you know, like, Russell, for example, I always use him, because just like from middle and high school, we were like peas in a pod. So it's like he would always get better grades than me. And I got decently good grades, but you know. And so then I would feel not less than because of that, but I just felt like, oh, I'm not that smart.

I do feel like people believed in us and we were validated a lot, but we beat ourselves up so much. And it's funny because when I started taking improv, I was like, immediately was like, oh yeah, I'm the least funny person here. Like every single class. And I definitely gravitated towards you.

The first time I met Jarvis was at the graduation show for our 101. We had separate 101 classes and we performed like, you know, I think my class performed first and then Jarvis's class. I remember watching you and being like, he is so funny. This is insane. And so we had a little need to work together in about seven years. Yeah. Fast forward 10 years. Well, there's's gonna be a whole podcast and everything. A wagon to his horse. No, but we had drinks afterwards, and Jarvis and our friend Mercedes,

I was like, they're so cool, they're so funny. Mercedes was so cool. Like, I immediately, I feel like Jarvis and I, it was like, you're so easy to be around, and it felt like one of the easiest like friendships ever. And I just, I was like reminiscing and I set our group chat, a bunch of photos of us as little babies and improv together. Haunting when you see a young photo of yourself and it looks like a child.

It's like 2015, 2016. We look so young, it's crazy. I feel like, I mean, I guess that's 10 years ago. It is 10 years ago. It is insane. We've known each other for 10 years. I know, I was thinking about that earlier. But it was one of those things where it's like, and then, you know, I talked to you

and you're so hard on yourself and I was like, how can this person be so hard on himself when he's like the funniest? He must be a moron actually. No, dude, that's like kind of, that's my, you know, like a Saiyan gets stronger as long as he doesn't die after a fight, you know, the Zenkai boost. And so I have that except for I'm fighting myself. And as long as I don't die, then I come back stronger.

No, but like, it's definitely, You do this, you do the classic point yourself and then lose. I do the vendetta. I've learned to be kinder to myself about a lot of things, but it is still, I'm still so bad with compliments and I have no, I think it's because I hold, I like know what I'm capable of and I don't feel like I've reached even like half

of what my actual potential is. And so I judge myself against where I believe I should be and not like where I am, which is still great. You know? And you're judging yourself, and we all are on data points no one else has access to. Right. So like, wait, I got a C minus?

And you're like, well yeah, you don't, sorry, you weren't even involved in four of the classes. Some of those classes were only in my brain. You didn't know I failed worrying about the color of the walls? Right, right, right. I skipped that class, I don't know. I mean, we had this experience,

I mean, I remember meeting you and going like, oh, I get this, I'm intuitively attracted to knowing this person. Like, immediately I was this, I'm intuitively attracted to knowing this person. Like it immediately, I was like, I gotta be fucking such good friends with this dude cause he's like, he's so fucking funny, but he's also like confident in it. It didn't feel like you were someone that if, you know,

being funny was an interest and an aspiration. And I always felt like, cause I think growing up, the reason I gravitated some of my friends and then into like a dorkier group late after I dropped out of school was because they were the funniest people I knew. And that was in my mind the shortcut to like, and part of it was the rebellion part. Like that's real smart.

That's the real, you know, the bias is still there. Now I feel like after working in office spaces and stuff and like meeting people that are really nice and really smart now, some people have it all. There's some people I just go like that's fucking sick and they're great parents and they're just having it all together. But I think one thing that like is, uh, really clear to me now that wasn't clear to me when I was younger,

is that the people I have the best time with, who I'm like closest to, that I've had the longest friendships with, are the people who I can really just be myself around. I don't have to put on airs, I don't have to like try and impress or like act like I'm someone else. And you can't conceive of that when you're younger.

That's such finding your people. It seems like an impossible task. You know what's interesting about that? I do think that I always thought about myself as like a whatever the child equivalent of a social climber is. Yeah. Because I remember my childhood friend whatever the child equivalent of a social climber is because

because I Childhood friends that I would hang out with I was like, you know doing well academically and that was something that like mattered because I had this vague idea of how it would improve my outcomes or whatever in life and I didn't know what that meant But like it was like a thing that I was like, I wanna keep doing that. If I pray every day, I'll go to some place in the sky. Yeah, yeah.

And that's the thing that I would do if I had kids, I actually would be able to, and this is circumstance for me, it's not the fault of any individual. It's just that I was in a weird situation during adolescence where no one was like, the people who were thrust into my parental roles did not sign up for that and did so out of respect

for my mom and wanting to keep me in the same environment that I had been in and not have to go be taken care of by someone I didn't have the same relationship with or go to a different school or like, you know, so I can't, but I can't fault anyone for that. And in fact, I appreciate that, you know, that that care was taken at that time, but there, I didn't have like traditional parenting

happening to me. It was like kind of like I was having to absorb all of that stuff from osmosis and from other people and shit. And- And you gotta take into account, it's the same with traditional parenting, I'm sure, but there's a kind of lack of people contributing their values at a given time, right?

Because we engage with any family, I guess, but when it's kind of like guardians and kid and maybe also kind of an indoor kid, I'm just like, well, I'm all right. I'm there. I guess if I don't value this right now, why would I? My mom doesn't seem to care about that thing. So when I was like younger, I remember it. I would like play Yu-Gi-Oh!

against my friends in my neighborhood. And they, I kicked their ass, dude. But it started to become a thing where it's like, okay, this isn't a competition, no one's having fun. And so I'm gonna go to the comic book store and go compete against adults or whatever. But then, and then I had like people, like, I always felt like I was like a, uh, not a kingmaker in that, like I could choose like who would be successful, but I felt like I was like a talent scout where like when I would enter a new

place, I'd be like, I'm going to hitch my ride to this person. Cause I, I've identified that this person person is the one who has the gift of gab. There's someone else who's dunking, and then you see at the back, there's somebody getting a ton of assists. Right, right, right. And I'm like, I think underappreciated this person. And so I feel like, I felt like that with you

and with Anastasia, where I'm like, ah, yes, this is a person I'm gonna hitch my cart to, because I think very highly of them. And the people I grew up around, I care about them still to this day, but we had different desires and different interests. And we started to divide in that, and I didn't want to hitch my ride to someone

who wasn't going in a direction that I wanted to go, and instead would find a new, and that's why it feels like social climbing, I would find new community and then go in that direction because it was where I wanted to be going. It was like I was a hitchhiker. That's what it felt. I was a social hitchhiker because I didn't have

the guidance of parents or whatever. It was more like people who would give me food and led me to my own, you know. And you don't want to say, there's always the temptation to just adapt to whatever environment you're in and go like, you get picked up and you're like, hey, where are you going? And they're like, oh, I'm going south.

I'm like, I was supposed to go north, but I'll just pretend I'm going south. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, because I'm lonely and I like community. And then you find out you actually quite enjoy going south and you're like, oh, yeah, sure. I guess. Right. I love the direction that person's going and they're in a cool car.

Yeah, this car rocks. I love the music here. I guess I like south. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, that's, I mean, that's a cool little conversation. Hopefully that's like cool little conversation. Hopefully that's helpful to people. I think the TLDR is basically like,

don't be afraid to be enthusiastic. Your people are out there. If the people around you aren't able to share your joy and your enthusiasm, there are people somewhere that do, whether it's in online communities or in local clubs and things of that nature, especially when it comes to, if you're in high school or college,

there's clubs that you can join. We had mentors in college, and my mentor, Corey, he was a fifth year student. A lot of people go through tech in five years because it's a really hard school, but he was like a fifth year student, like a lot of people like go through tech in five years because it's a really hard school, but he was a senior and I was like when I was a freshman and so he was like my mentor and he was like the president of the mobile app development club and I was like, oh he's so cool, he's like a Caribbean dude and so I wasn't that interested in mobile app development, but I became interested in mobile app development.

But I became interested in the personalities and the people and the lives that they had built for themselves and the community that they'd built. And I was gravitated to that. And then that brought me into things that I could be interested in around that. And I met so many cool people that I kept hitching my ride to. And it kind of gave me a little bit of like helped me find things that I value and find interesting.

Um, yeah, I will say it's, uh, I guess, yeah, my closing on that would just be it's, if you feel intuitively as though you, you have imposter syndrome for this social environment you're in. Imposter syndrome in all cases is basically just a misallocation of real concerns. It's wow, I don't feel like I belong here. I guess I'm an imposter. It was like, well, there's something more specifically you're worried about. And so you're putting it in a place where there's nothing you can do about it.

It's I'm a liar and that can't be solved. That is it. Everyone does it. Sounds open. It is an indulgence and is something you have to choose not to do it, unfortunately. And when it comes to friends and environment, if you feel like you're an imposter and you're pushing yourself into it, it's either, it might be, somebody that made both of these mistakes, it's either that you're artificially trying to fit yourself into a space that you don't enjoy or find fulfilling, or that the version of you that you're pushing into that space is something that the other people don't enjoy and that you're trying to retrofit, You're trying to jerry-rig this social group in a way that no one likes. It's not good for anyone. Everyone should

feel organic. And a little discomfort is okay, but don't feel like you need to change yourself and be a different person than who you are. Actually, that's a good point because there is, I feel like, hey, always be yourself so-and-so. That's something that gets repeated a lot. And there is genuine sincerity to it. But I think sometimes people like, especially as a kid, you misunderstand that as, okay, I guess, well, I have like people looking at me all the time and I'm in school and so on. So I guess myself needs to become the thing that works.

As opposed to like, you can be whoever you wanna be. It's just, if that's something that's like creating conflict or friction, look into it, maybe it's something that's working by, but if it's just like a lack of symmetry, like you just don't fit, that's okay. That doesn't need to be fixed, you could just kind of reserve that for a different type of lifestyle. Yeah, and if you're really hard on yourself,

just know that- It's because you're stupid. It gets better, but very slowly, if you're me. I am currently across from my Comically Large Computer Science degree, and I'll have you know that every time I look at it, I think about the fact that I graduated with high honors, and I should have graduated with highest honors,

but I was.02 off of the GPA cutoff for that and it annoys me to this day and no one cares. But why, so why do I keep thinking about it? Why does it matter? What is wrong with me? It's mental illness probably and so recognize that and seek help where appropriate. Yeah. And sometimes it doesn't go away, but everything else can get better by itself.

It's, you know, the spiraling we're talking about, I need my headphones, et cetera. Also, it's not, I don't know. Don't get, don't get like, this term is always weird to me. Don't get like too blackpilled. Don't go to nihilism with it. Like don't, don't go on 4chan, appreciate having a bit of a community there. And then all of a sudden adopt everything else that they're saying, because you like being there and I'm saying this is,'m saying this is kind of what I was doing

when I was not going to class and stuff is I was just going like, actually it's not me that doesn't fit, it is bad. The place is bad. I think that enthusiasm and joy is not usually a feeling that is associated with those black pill circles. So I could be wrong. Maybe someone's like, I am enthusiastic and joyous

about nihilism or whatever, but those don't feel like Congress. But like- It's mitigating pain as opposed to maximizing happiness. Yeah, exactly. But I definitely feel like if you follow joy and enthusiasm, that'll lead you to a good, I mean, responsibly and make good life decisions and stuff, but like.

Not harmful. To the best that you can, that hopefully will lead you to a good place. And probably. Out of curiosity. Having a more interesting personality. Yeah, true. That people wanna be around.

All right, so now, let's talk about how Flimbo got canceled for saying the Boo-sler. Oh. And I understand you say it, long beep. got canceled for saying the boo slur. Oh. And I understand you say it, long beep. Oh, yeah. And it says you made a face that actually it's a face for the slur.

It's like a shorthand. It's kind of way worse. Real quick, I wanted to talk about FireFest 2 because that apparently just got announced. And I don't know how much information there is about it, but I want to know whatever it feels like a thousand years ago the fire yeah the guy like went to jail Ja Rule was fine the guy went to jail I know everyone was curious about we just like to go that on most things there

was been a terrorist act Ja Rule was fine yeah no one near him like Ja Rule was fine like the M&M and and 50 cent beefs with Ja Rule did way more damage to him than the fire fest Did you could do like credit card credit card scams and stuff once you've been? Put six feet on the ground by the two. Yeah, though. Ja Rule asked for it because he Mentioned Haley's name on a song And so that gives you that gives Eminem license to lyrically murder you. Eminem pushing his glasses up and teleporting behind you. So FireFest has returned. Thankfully the coordinates are included on the website.

That way. So you can, so that when I go missing, you know, we're just start looking. When I get swept off in my fucking inflatable camp bed onto the Pacific. Yeah. When that way you can find my soggy cheese sandwich. It's funny, we were talking just before this about love is blind and the like. It's until you see an issue, it's sometimes easy to forget how much work comes into producing something. And until the first Fire Fest went disastrously wrong, and we all as a collective

community held hands and watched two documentaries about it. Yeah. They came out at the same time. I guess I had never thought about like, oh, you hear bad stories about festivals. It's usually like someone specifically did something bad or a tragedy happened or there was a fire.

And then you're like, oh, but a lot of people still got the right tent. A lot of people still make sure to build the stage, not on like sandpaper or something. Yeah, they had a, it's like there were parts of it that were totally adequate. Yeah, and you look at Firefest and it's like, wow, I didn't even know you could get that wrong. Yeah, like doing a Firefest two,

knowing what Firefest one was, that is blank. That is gauche. Not gauche, not presumptuous. Say what? It's bold. Yeah, bold. I'd say that's optimistic. It's very optimistic. It's ambitious.

It is ambitious. Ambitious, ambitious. I have a few quotes from the organizer, Billy McFarland. Yeah, I'm insane. Who's back from jail after doing a billion different frauds. He beat up the QAnon show on a guy. But he got out of jail in 2022 and started planning FireFest to almost immediately after that.

Right. And a few quotes from FireFestival to has the potential to take over the festival industry. Fire to is real. My dream is finally becoming a reality. Fire 2 really isn't about the past and it's not really about me. It's about taking the vision which is strong. It's like he hasn't forgotten how to LinkedIn post,

which is pretty impressive. Give him a few years in jail and he's gonna brush up on his pros. That's white boy magic. He's a, it is, because this is the same white boy magic that was like defrauding investors and lying about income forms allegedly, but then again, he went to jail for fraud. So wait, not alleged. Allegedly before he got convicted, convictedly.

Are there any re, is there any information on this page? It's MX fire MX. That's Mexico. Yeah, it's going to be in Mexico. Look, man, it feels a little bit like Hawk to releasing a coin. We're like, yeah, what else do you do now that this has happened and you went to jail? Everybody you got to do, you got to come back.

Well, dude, fire coin. That would be so sick. Oh, it hurts when you touch it. That would be it because that it's like that's a thing where it's literally Like basically fraud coin From a guy that did it it's like if made off coin Pyramid Yeah

Pyramid East MLM is that's for money love money money love money mother load mine runescapers Cool thing about fire fest you is that it's May 30th to June 2nd. Mm-hmm So really just a few months away No artists I saw it's just your that is Ja Rule associated blink 182 they they were like Allegedly gonna perform a fire fest one So I know they will not be signing up for this and if they do then I don't think money is good right now Am I my misremember? It wasn't the original firefest was not like an open ticket event

I mean you had to like it was a quite expensive it was like meant to be like this mix between a resort and a in a concert, so everyone knows what this is right we there's and a concert. Everyone knows what this is, right? There's basically circa what, 2019, there was a festival organized by Jarl and this superdacity criminal white boy magic guy. He looks like exactly what you're imagining.

And they basically just put on a horribly organized festival, put a bunch of lives in danger, and then a series of hilarious dominoes spiral off of that Ending and then everyone made fun of them because it was it was for it was expensive So it was only like influencers in their mind only like influencers or rich people but the reality of it was that the you know workers on the island and Lots of people were screwed over who were not rich influencers Who were just everyday people like the caterers and stuff like that.

Now, people did do they raised money through like GoFundMe and such. But it was I think a lot of people were still fucked over at the end of the day. Oh, so there's like literally nothing. It's like just a pitch page. But there's literally nothing. That's crazy. We can explore the tickets, but now we can buy the tickets. Let me see the bag on that. What are we? Where are the tickets? Ooh. Ignite.

And 50-15. Ooh, only $5,000? So there's 1500, 5000 and buyer. Buyer. You can set your wallet on fire. It'd be better for you. Oh, there's a plane. It's going down. Plane to Firefest thankfully crashes. This this reminds me of I think it was on nights where we were like looking into What we're looking into that turned into like it was like that investment

Oh, that's right where we we had a hunch with hunchback. Yeah, but do you remember what started the hunch? Oh, it was the gentleman boys. Oh, yeah, we started looking at this is on nights. You can get that at patreon.com such sad boys, but the We were we were we looked at what? What appeared to be a just a cool? Oh It was like rich kids living in the height of luxury great Gatsby style and then it you too can be stock footage Yeah, and then it turned into something like this where it's just like, everything's hella vague. And that's all it has to be, right?

Cause he, I mean, he didn't go to jail, we should point out for anything associated with Firefest. So- I think it was the fraud associated with Firefest. So like he defrauded in that, you can't fuck over rich people cause that's the one thing that you're not allowed to do.

That's illegal. And so I think he was like lying on state like, like basically if you doctor like bank statements and shit like that, like secure funding, then like that's a financial fraud. I was mixing up his financial frauds with his previous one before that. Oh, because he did also have some stuff. So it could be a combination or I'm not sure. But he multiclass into double fraud. He's double wielding fraud.

But you know, as a rich guy, he went to jail for what? 25 minutes or something? Not long enough. I mean, I guess who knows? I mean, what do I care? Yeah, what do I care? It's like the carceral system.

But like to your point, I don't think he went to jail for creating this horrible event. It was for the financing of that event. It was for the, it wasn't for the actually unethical. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the, what do I get with my Fuego VIP access $5,000 elevated experience?

Your own exotic ghetto. You're on like a loft, you're like a foot above ground. You got an elevated mattress. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get an elevated mattress. So I don't drown. Yeah, you get like a foot above ground. You got an elevated mattress. Like a box spring. The fire Fuego package grants for four women Island. Sorry. Is that how I'm the Island of women? Oh, I mean that might just be the name of it. Wait mean five thousand dollars in close viewing of the fight pit I'm sorry back in yeah hold on is Jake Paul like doing the fight pit he'll be watching a fight to the death this island is technically on

international waters two men enter one man one man leaves. One man leaves. One man gets a ticket to the concert. One man dies. 500 people attend Firefest. One man leaves. There wasn't enough danger in the first Firefest, so now we gotta kill somebody. Now it's the Hunger Games. Yeah.

Fuck it. If they're gonna die, make it more interesting. Dozens of hotels and many rental villas available on the island. Fire has partnered with a number of hotels. We'll not mention them by name, but there's a number of them. Plural. I won't tell you what number, zero. We have partnered with minus eight hotels, and you'll have to pay double to stay in one.

This feels like a glorified Kickstarter, where they keep them. Yes, it is. Yeah, because they're being deliberately vague, and they're like, hey, if we're, you know, so what if maybe we'll do something? That's crazy. Oh, a plane. Yeah, because they're being deliberately vague and they're like, hey, if we're, you know, so what if maybe we'll do something? That's crazy. They, oh, a plane.

All right, but you know what's great? Planes in fire like that. Like, go back there. That's awesome. That right there, that's gonna make everyone feel really safe. A tower. Yeah.

Every plane, by the way, is at the angle of that 9-11 footage. It is. It's going into the hotel. What do you mean? Oh dude. Yeah, actually that's the universal image of a plane crash. That angle means literally we're going. Oh, here's my favorite part. Under accommodations, it goes accommodations, a bunch of text, and then a button that says accommodations not included. That's hilarious. And then it says explore accommodations. Why even say

that are included? Well, wait, can we explore the accommodations? Does it actually say the partnered hotels? Not include. Accommodations. Everything doesn't need a page like this, by the way. Sometimes you could just put the information on the fucking website. I think it just you get like a exclusive rate on a hotel. Yeah, and then if you say book accommodations, does it just take you to the ticket thing or does it? Okay. Wait. Two ticket packets, standard hotel.

Now I just wanna see a single hotel mentioned. So could we go Deluxe Hotel and Fire Festival two ticket package? This is gonna be 10 grand by the way. Oh, okay, no, it's a. Oh, Tony. No, no, no, no, no, it's 2,500 per person. It is 10 grand after the hotel.

Oh, there is. So this is in Cancun. So I don't know how far away Cancun is from like, is La Mujeres. Once you extract the accommodation from a festival, you have sort of robbed it of its festival element. This is like a, this is just an event. Just because you're VidCon. You're at a resort, first of all, that people just go to for vacation. So now you've added like this music festival to your

resort package and so now you're not getting the value out of your resort because you have to spend so much goddamn time at the concert which is not in the same place. Well, hold on. Can we go to maps? Look at the distance between the women island and, uh, and Cancun. It is a fairy. Okay. So it does seem like it takes a while. Uh, I'm sure there must be some faster way that Google maps doesn't know about. I just, I, I'm, this is me being extremely generous. I just, I have to just throw out the, imagine, okay, you dropped even the cheapest ticket products and then you quadruple that to stay at a hotel nearby. And then you get on, you take an hour trip to go and hang out with Billy penis or whatever the organizers name is where he water boards you in a tent.

They try and play music, but the speaker like falls on an infant. Yeah. And then they go like, do you want to post about it? Not before defrauding an entire economy, a town's economy. And then you get to be blurry faced in a Netflix documentary called The Biggest Idiot Influences Ever. They did it again. It's called Fool Me Once, a colon of fire story.

I gotta say, if you go this time, this is on you. Guys, you did, the pre-alpha was- A lot of people will probably just go for the content, which is why they went the first time. In which case it's good they're staying at a hotel and not, you know, in the water like previously. Yeah. It's like going to be like, Hey guys, we're at the resort. Oh, turns out the event was canceled. So I guess we're just going to hang out at this resort that we paid for. Yeah. The ferry's going to break down. They could accidentally put

like a, like everyone's going to be safe. I always build my my tie all over the controls. It's going to be like, um, uh, fucking, fucking Kid Rock is stuck in the middle of the ocean. He can't make it to the stage. The fairy is my stepdad when they rowboat. The all American rejects are land, they're caught in a barge. We have lost all of our one direction cover band two direction in the center of the ocean. They've been carried away by a hawk. We have lost all of our one direction cover band,

two direction in the center of the ocean. They've been carried away by a whole. They're locked and they cannot go in either direction. And we, the irony of this is not lost of on us. But Billy will be performing on stage. Some of his free form poetry that he wrote about being in jail. My name's Billy and I'm here to say.

Yeah. So that's pretty odd, right? Being in jail. There's a lot of islands, a lot of islands. There's a lot of islands a lot of islands There's a lot of hotels on the island So I assume that there's a way to get a hotel on that island just not the ones they partnered with in a way No, but if you're paying for the deluxe then it's deluxe in that you're dumb If someone's stupid enough to pay $5,000 for five first two, I don't want them staying at my hotel They're gonna eat all the curtains or something.

If you buy the Prometheus package, then you get to stay on a yacht. Oh. It's $15,000 to dock. What fucking package do I get that gets me a hotel? Yeah. What is your normal... How do you just go to the festival in a normal style? Well if you pay a million dollars, you can fly your private jet helipad onto little John while he's performing.

You can swing down on a rope from the helicopter if you pay enough money. With the Icarus package, you just hover above that. You actually go into the fire. It's called Fire fest because you, you go higher and higher until your, until your wax 747 melts. Why did I fly this? Why did I fly the wax 747?

I got to start flying Boeing. God, I should have known it was called the Icarus package. Did respect by the way, as always I just want to give, you know, it's sad again that so many people that are whistleblowers for Boeing just became incredibly sad and died from just being so, right after they did whistleblowing and hoping the company would have consequences,

I know what I would do is let them kill myself. I would immediately go. Right before you talk to a lawyer. Right beforehand. Oh, you can create the fire with the Phoenix Pass. It doesn't just keep going up. It like ascends into like the Heavens Pass. The Phoenix Pass is it doesn't just keep going up. It like ascends into like the Heavens Pass. The Phoenix Pass is where you legally die for 30 seconds

and they defribulate you back to back. I think I can get that for the $1,500 package to be honest with you. During the drop of like this. This one is accommodation included. Oh, finally. And that's all it costs? Where though?

Where's that accommodation? This one is actually on the island. Oh, thank God. Where the artists stay. Not in Jamaica. This is not, it's actually in Hawaii, but they will bus you over in a 747 where somebody has to pedal their feet to fly.

Yeah, it's experimental teleportation transport. Your atoms may not be arranged the same way upon arrival. Please make sure there's not a fly in the teleporter at the same time. It will ruin the festival You'll become a fly this is gonna ruin the tour. This is gonna ruin the world. This is the world door fire experiences I should hope all right. Well, that's I guess we'll keep tabs on that And we'll let you know when we buy our tickets Prometheus and what there's like nine rings. It's one million one hundred thousand dollars No fucking shot hundred K is extremely go. Wait, what do you get for I did? I was joking

You get a combination when I said a billion dollars I didn't think there would be a fucking package for a million dollars you get they book you a flight and then you get to Stay on this yard. That's so are you kidding this these stock photo images of vehicles are cracking me up God is leaving the water. It's taking flight. It's capsizing or it's taking flight. It's doing a big jump. You get a free kayak and it's like turned over

with like bubbles. Watch our yacht do a kick flip over Ilobuheires. Yours funny too is they can't use photos from the last five years. Yeah, true. Cause it's all like people Did honestly I'd respect it more if the photo carousel was like of the cheese sandwich And like the fucking dirty like FEMA tents and shit

Somebody being carried away. Wait, wait, wait that one looks like Photoshop Is that real that woman's on like a blow? Oh a floaty the one where it just was If you just go that one in the middle. Well, that's the accommodation. That's how you get across on the fair. It kind of does look Photoshopped. It's like, cause it's both shots are in, everything's in, it's weird focus, but whatever.

I would literally, rather than Billy Bones buy me a fucking fairy or whatever. Buy me a bear. I would honestly rather take like one of those romantic swan bows. Jacob Paws. Those little icons above fire experiences, are they did a child to draw those with a pencil?

Yeah, in jail. He didn't have anything else to do. It looks like it literally... Wait, what am I looking at? Is this like... Yeah, what? Oh, okay. Now I can see it.

I thought that it was truly like a pencil drawing. It was yeah But it is more intentional. What is this? Guys, there's a shark. Yeah, I don't want that every everyone knows that's a sideways Traffic light well the unless you get the view of a boat. Oh Sorry guys, and then a boat. Oh wait, no It just can't be right that doesn't make any fucking sense It looks like a submarine. And a parachute doesn't make any sense. And a sailboat Sailboat. It's a four-hour trip across the water. Do you want to take shark or blimp? Dude, I'll pass I guess. We'll take a dirigible around the world

These are the initial designs. For 40 million dollars we'll buy a dirigible around the world. These are the initial designs. For $40 million, we'll buy the dirigible. It's like giving us permission to spend your money on something. This is literally- It's like a fucking Twitch stream. Guys, we've got a stretch goal of buying a dirigible. Would you like to give it a swing?

And then the Kickstarter is delivered on and what they were able to produce was some of a hammock and they attached it to like a, they put it on a plane's wing it's just two ropes we didn't have enough rope to make the whole thing the wax wings fight fight pit with no explanation is this is the fight back anyway in my head can we find that anywhere that's a six foot deep hole in the ground that someone dug. Yeah, they do a bad job. They do a bad job of setting up a gladiatorium.

It's like if you want to enter, if you want to go to fire without paying, you can enter the single elimination fight to the death tournament in the fight pits. Accommodation not included, unfortunately. Accommodation not included. All right, well. 24-7 curated itinerary something?

They do make it, they do not. They're like, and you can listen to our exclusive Spotify playlist for the extra million dollars. Okay, we had one more thing. There's a thing that we were supposed to talk about much earlier in the show. Log me in. But we lost track of time at the hanging out with your friends factory. So the thing that we were supposed to be talking about today before we got ahead of ourselves is.

Like a health influencer, what's the deal, Jacob? Yep, her name is Belle Gibson. She's no relation. Insane. No relation. No relation. No, no. So I have a little bit of her backstory here. Okay, so she was born in 1991 in Tasmania She left her family home when she was 12 to live with one of her classmates Whoa, and then

She like she lives her life at 18 She becomes a mother Wow, and she makes this mobile app called The Whole Pantry in 2013 when she was 21. Wow, grindset. Yeah, she was like doing the damn thing. She was an entrepreneur, very respected. That's hard, unlike giving birth. Right, right, right. Yeah, when she made an app, that's when I respected her.

Yeah, when she, Jesus, that's what, you know what I mean? And her app became very popular. It was voted Apple's best food and drink app in 2013 when she released Wow versus um No Versus drinkies and foodies It beat it beat the the app where you pretend to slurp a caprice Yeah, it beat beer. I.

Is this the second for an Australian? Yes. Oh, yeah, it is. It is. It actually is. So it says here in Elm in 2015, two years after she burst out of the wellness scene, she announced that she'd been diagnosed with cancer and promised to make a three hundred thousand dollar donation to charity.

One after the other. She got diagnosed and just jumped. Yeah, and she said that her business would donate $300,000 to various charities. And then here's a clip of her on a news show when her app was popping off. You can tell that she's working really hard. I gotta say, this is one of the most Australian screenshots

I've ever seen about just everything about it. I don't know how to explain it. All the colours at play, the way her hair is, the... I don't know, it's hitting me, it's different. Yeah. ...of a new breed of entrepreneur. She is an ecopreneur. Ecopreneur. Tastes like mango. They launched the whole pantry app last year. It's essentially a recipe collection full of whole foods and vegetarian recipes. That's basically what she was doing. She- Interesting.

She kind of built those deep jobs. She was saying that she was fed up with traditional treatments. They weren't working for her. I've had a bloody enough of this. And so she was going to try to solve the problem from the inside by eating healthy She was claiming that it was working for

So some of these don't some of these charities that she was claiming to have donated to were like we never received a donation What is going on with people doing that by the eye that is that's it's like, no one's going to contact the charity. Dude, do, if you're going to lie about something, you know, virtuous, do it in a nonverifiable way. Do it like, oh yeah, we, we get, we went out and we gave food to the homeless and like, well, who are you going to write? So yeah, we did. Like again, I never want to be like advising dastardly or whatever. But like the number of time people fucking YouTubers do this all the time.

They do like, yeah, we're going to donate to charity. I'm like, you mean you're going to do something related to third parties that have a ton of systems in place to verify things. That's the most verified thing. Other nonprofits exist to check nonprofits. Well, and charities themselves don't want people claiming they're donating to them without actually donating to them because they aren't getting the money. I actually helped Anastasia with something the other day and I beat you up. I'm like,

yeah, no, I helped her with something. This is actually a true story. Well, no, it's actually a prediction. Yeah, it's, it's so, it's so easily verifiable because you know, who's going to let you know that they didn't receive money is the charity that needs money. It's so, and like,

it's like if I told you something about a friend of yours that I don't know, but I was just like, Oh, somebody I don't know as well. I like said like, yeah, Russell the other day, um, he actually said thank you to me because I made him a meal and I gave him a bunch of money. Why didn't they, what, what, you know, you didn't, you liar. No, he wasn't. He, no, you suck. Fuck you. I'll kill you. I'm kidding. It was a joke. I was just sorry. I lost sight of myself.

He's powerless. This is how we find out. Two hours into the podcast. No one mentions it. No one mentions it. Purple in the thumbnail. Yeah. You're Thanos. You're Thanos. That's why he's purple. Not because he's dying. Oh, dude. anyone go like, is he OK? Oh my God, he's purple. He's choking. Someone give him some oxygen. Because of that, there are some independent investigators and reporters

that were kind of like looking into her claims and then also like trying to find any evidence that she actually did have cancer. Always, always a really sketchy thing to do. Yeah. Like because you were granted so much goodwill. Someone in my high school said that they had cancer and everyone accommodated for a very, very long time. And then somehow, some way, we found out that they were lying about it. That is truly wild.

And it was insane. It was like I sent ripples through the high school community. It's a crazy thing to claim. Yeah, because you don't want to fact check it because you don't want to be that person, right? It's also kind of the, again, I don't want to, you know, and I actually have an advice on how you could have defrauded more effectively, Bertie, made off not the one that's cool. I just don't, these are cliches for a reason. Lying about cancer is a cliche for a reason. Deferring charities is

cliche evil thing to do for a reason. And it's because it's happened a bunch. It's because people have seen it a bunch. Like methods exist. Cancer in particular is obviously an extremely test heavy, extremely treatment heavy process where you are constantly getting imagery, evidence, updates, appointments. Like, yeah, if you ever asked to summon evidence, you would have ample amounts of it. Jordan, no one's going to donate to you if you have IBS.

Well, apparently. What if, what if you're on pretty well? It has to be cancer. What was that? What was that? Bad breath disease? Halitosis. That Listerine made up. I'm going to be like, I have terminal halitosis.

My breath is stank. This thing's so bad, everyone's going to kill me. Dude, flowers wilt in my wake. By the way, just major respect for it. Because this is the crazy is when they do a big lie like this. And they're like, yeah, I'll be on Good Morning America. Oh, of course.

Yeah, I've just I'll do. I'd actually love to be on Good Morning America because they've heard so much about me in Australia. How I've got I've actually I've eaten a fruit and it's given me a power. Who's the most famous 10s Tasmanian and don't say the devil. Like who's the Tasmanian angel? There's gotta be one we know, but we just don't know they're from Tasmania. Mrs. Sunday movies.

How about instead of finding that out, we keep going with the story. What are we doing in the show? Jacob tells me Google stuff cause I don't know which fingers go on the. I keep using my for you. So so so like what happened after? So essentially, the people were calling her out and asking for evidence. And then that's rude. She was just like, yeah, I lied.

She did pip. She was just like, yeah, I lied. Um, she... Dude, pimp! And then she just admitted... You know, you caught me in a lie, actually. That she lied. But now... I was just telling a bit of a fee. Lock me up. Never been super consistent on... What exactly were lies.

Oh, that's like the Elon thing, where he's like, Yeah. Um, of course I'll be bad about, I'll not tell the truth and I'll expect to be corrected about that. She's claimed to have multiple types of cancer. She did confirm that she didn't have brain cancer at one point.

Over a long enough period of time, cancer will develop in the body. So if you think about it, I kind of will have cancer at some point. So I'm actually doing myself a service and preventative measures. Coming back to the anchor that's presenting that episode and they're like, um,

so back in 2016 2017, she did an interview with 60 minutes after she had kind of admit admitted that she was lying about a lot of health stuff. She literally just said psych, but not. And I don't have yet to. And then the reason that this is coming up now is one, they released a essentially fictionalized version of what she did in the form of a show. She's American did in the form of a show. Oh, she's American now in the middle. And then they also earlier this month, a couple of weeks ago did another Australian 60 minutes

interview with her. And so we have some like interesting new clips from that interview. The clout poisoning. No, the reputation's already destroyed and it's like, no, I have to go back on TV. It's OJ being like, okay, I'll say I did it on TV's like no I have to go back on it's OJ It's OJ being like okay. I'll say I did it on TV as long as I get to be on TV No, but if I did it which I did

I remember when I did it. Yeah, if when I did it I want us to watch the intro to this. Okay, perfect. 60 minutes kind of like highlight. If OJ's book was called. So to get this straight, so there's an OG 60 minutes and then there's a Netflix show about a fictionalized tale of this woman's misgivings. Yeah. And then.

Of her fictionalized stories. Of her fictionalized stories. And then 60 minutes ran it back this year. They're gonna like, we're gonna do like a follow-up and see if she'll give us any more information Where are they now? Because she was being like weird as hell when she originally gave the interview and I'm actually a big AI gene you've got to solve my little puzzles Yeah, you tricked hey, so I've been doing a little voice for it takes off a mask

Yeah, like it's David Blaine. The thing is I never had brain cancer What I do have is an appetite for destruction. It's like an electric guitar, she like kicks over the thing. Kid. Kicks over a kid, kicks over the camera. It's a robot. Yeah.

Would you accept that you're a pathological liar? Cooked. Can we have a minute? Because I'm feeling really belittled. Belle, Belle, Belle, Belle, please. Is this, wait, is this the actual 60 minutes or is this like a weird edit of it? Because I don't know what I thought of 60 minutes.

I've seen a chunk of it here and there. I didn't know it was like presented like a monster truck trailer. It is. This Friday. Well, I think they'll get to the interview. Did you lie? I'm actually feeling kind of persecuted right now. This is like the teaser.

Right. And it's like crazy. Yeah. Everything is crazy now. Everything is. Yeah. Everything has to be a monster truck. Do you think it was because of the Joker? Because he was so crazy. The movie. OK. Why so serious?

Also, I saw some people on Reddit saying that in general, Okay, because he was so crazy. Um, yeah. Why so serious? Also, I saw some people on Reddit saying that in general, Australian 60 minutes goes kind of crazy mode. Okay, good to know. We're gonna have to check out some more. It's such a funny reputation. Yeah. Weird, cause I'm all drunk. These long form documentary pieces, documentary? These long form documentary pieces, they go in Sado style. Just for the anchor kick flipping for some reason.

Punch her in the face. They fight it. But because of your lies, you have to fight a kangaroo. And then like bring it in. Kangaroo Jack is the interviewer. Remember that movie? Remember that old number. That's my favorite part of 60 Minutes is the clock ticking.

Oh, that was for the most part the funny... Yeah, that was... I want to see that for basically every... that kind of edit for everything. Sad boys. Me laughing and then you looking sad and then you laughing and me looking sad. This week on Sad Boys. And so I thought I'm going to kill them with my feelings. So you're saying you lied about everything. I'm feeling a little belittle right now.

And then it's an edit of me going... I'm feeling like when I shrunk the kids the way I'm feeling so belittle right now. Dude, they do belittle. I don't know why I did that. That wasn't do be little. I don't know why I did. That wasn't my Australian accent. I don't know why I didn't do that. That was your rigmarine. Yeah, I've been out of Australian practice.

I got to get back on it. What's the clip with her brother and what's the deal with her brother? Jacob, take the wheel. She doesn't have one, does she? So not to jump around too much, but this is a clip of a cancer survivor who kind of like was following her like tips talking about how Belle Gibson's book and like all of her lies and stuff kind of like affected people who are going through that who believed her.

Did you ever consider stopping your treatment while following Belle? I mean, yeah, I considered it.. Fortunately my dad really pulls the strings on those kinds of decisions and I was never, I never really had a chance to stop conventional medicine but I think what it meant for me to look at Belle Gibson's content was that I was you know feeling horrible from my cancer treatment. I was struggling with the changes in my body and my face and I was looking at Belle Gibson on Instagram and I was like she looks incredible. It must be the conventional medicine that's making me look so awful, look and feel so awful. So many of us fell for that con. Did you believe her that she'd cured her stage 4 brain cancer with juice. I mean, it sounds so outrageous when you say it, but yeah, we all believed her.

And I think it's actually not that hard to imagine because when you're desperate and looking for answers and somebody's giving them to you in such a palatable, Instagrammable, aesthetic way like, you want to believe that. ALICE And non-doing it, without extracting conventional reticence, it's a good idea. Yeah, you should eat well. But that's not an exclusion. ALICE Yeah, it's not solving, yeah. ZACH So that's kind of like the effect she had on people, and so understandably, people were upset when they found out that she didn't have cancer, and she was lying about a lot of these other things.

ALICE I don't wanna be like, those globalists on when they found out that she didn't have cancer and she was like lying about a lot of these other things. I don't want to be like those globalists on the news kind of guy, but like when they were saying in that interview, like, yeah, we all fell for it. I'm like, yeah, cause you promoted it. Cause you didn't do any due diligence. You just went, that looks interesting.

Yeah, why didn't they fact check anything? They presented it the same way they would like, a local man saved a kitty cat from a canal. They're just like, there needs to be so much isn't that what journalists are supposed to fucking do It's not just like saying I heard Like that's literally like hey, I heard this lady fixed something with just with the she did a little yeah, she did the fucking I Don't know I don't feel some of us stupid show fucking I don't know. That'll fill some of us stupid Joe.

In in uplifting news, we found a lady who eats fruit and incuses diseases. Pretty good. Anyway, moving on. Um, is the sun bad? No. Moving on. The sun weighs in. This is a clip from the most recent 60 Minutes interview.

I mean, 2009 was a really bad year for you, wasn't it? You had three heart operations. You suffered two cardiac arrests. You died twice on the operating table. You had a stroke and you were diagnosed with an operable brain tumor and given four months to live. Correct. I still have the heart condition and I was supposed to have surgery for that.

You were supposed to have surgery. Dark Knight Roses came out. I mean you go into extraordinary details. I had surgery about seven hours ago. The doctor comes in and tells me the draining failed and I went into cardiac arrest and died for just under three minutes. I had the most intense bruising from the paddles when they electrocuted me back to consciousness. I minused the wires and constant throwing up of blood.

Anyway, the procedure failed and I died. Wait, it ends with anyway the procedure failed and I died? So she just basically called her out for, she just said on camera that she never had surgeries for this condition. And then she pulled up tweets from her saying that she had a surgery for that condition. And she just sits there and goes, mm-hmm. Can you, she does the liar's nod. Can you play the last five seconds of that again, where the interviewer like cannot contain their chuckle? It's funny because she's like, it says here that you died and you're dead right now.

And she's like, that's correct. You're a ghost from the Victorian age and you've been a ghost five different times. It's true. I ate some veggies and I came back. Anyway, the procedure failed and I died. Wait, what did she say? She, I want to hear Belle's response. How do you respond to that?

See, I haven't read back through all of that. But I also think when you're young and have gone through the situation I had just gone through, you are melodramatic. So from the skater world. The situation was dying. This interview rocks. I do like-

Anderson Cooper could never. I feel like there's a little bit more of that in non-American journalism, which I appreciate. Where they just call you a fucking idiot. Yeah, exactly. There's an American prestige for the heroes of the Washington Post in like- And it's all lies.

There's like two kinds elsewhere. You're like a, or is it like, there's like two kinds elsewhere is you get to, you're like a, yeah, right for a daily mail. I'll say sacred stuff and I'd like to arrest people online. I'll go outside their house, take photos. And then there's also the, like the pretentious BBC, like, you know, panning shot of a location. It's like, we spoke to someone about something and they had things to say about it. We spoke to a guy.

Here it is. You all right? And that's all we have time for. What about Jon Snow? Huh? So, there's a baby. I'd say me when I'm coming up with Game of Thrones. Me when I'm Joe John Mott.

When I'm workshopping character up with Game of Thrones? Me when I'm George R. R. Martin? When I'm workshopping character names in Game of Thrones. What about Tyrion Lannister? There's a British journalist named John Snow. He's like a prestigious journalist guy. And the question, Jarvis, is what about? What about him? You know you're right, I hadn't considered that.

Dude, what if he existed? Yes. He's cool. I'm saying, is he a legit guy or is he more of a sensational 60 minutes kind of guy? Well, I think he would have the, I think all broadcasters that aren't like cheeky kind of chappies, they all would still say that they you know part of the if you work for the Guardian but you still write about her like Kate Upton's not like her tits not big enough then you ask you you think you are like a legit journalist yeah doing real good work it's the paper you work for that determines whether or not you know that's where is here it's like I don't

know somebody that works for like the Babylon Bee who's like, I don't know, somebody that works for like the Babylon Bee, who's like, yeah, I'm fighting for truth. Yeah, via these bad jokes. All Americans think they're doing the Lord's work. Okay. So this is another clip where she is then talking about her brother who we just saw in the last. Oh, a twin brother. Oh, no, that's a twin brother. Especially angry at an invention used by Bell to garner sympathy on multiple occasions that he is autistic.

I mean, you have a very offended brother who claims he has no idea why you would describe him as autistic. It is heartbreaking. Wait, pause. This is like when you confront someone on Twitter for calling you a slur and they cry. Wait, pause. This is like when you confront someone on Twitter for calling you a slur and they cry. Oh yeah. It's heartbreaking because I called him autistic

and he said, I don't know why you would call me that. But think about how that hurts me. Yeah, here's a photo of me, this is who you're yelling at, actually. I'm a minor. Sorry, I was in a really dark place. Yeah. That my bedroom, the lights were off.

It is heartbreaking for me that he still carries stigma. I don't think he, well, I don't think that that. Oh my God, she rules. In before it turns out like she killed a baby with a car or something But this interviewer appears to be the best It breaks my heart that he would well that he would carry someone stigma around the turn That's not like even kind of what I was saying No, he's not autistic

Leave him alone I don't think that that comment means he carries stigma I mean he's upset with you for describing him as having autism. Because he does. Oh okay. Because he does. I don't have autism at all. Even when I was a kid, she used to call me Tard. What did that make you think about yourself growing up? I hate myself. I didn't want to be around. I was shy, placid, and I didn't like to be out in the public just because things she said. Yeah. And she's come out and said that you're virtually non-verbal. That's correct. Come on. Like I talk to a lot of people. He's like I'm verbal all the time.

I do interviews in 60 minutes. That's crazy when he has to explain himself. He's like, I'm talking right now. I do interviews with 60 minutes. That's crazy, he has to explain himself. He's like, I have been in an interview this whole time. I'm me. So you can hear me saying it right now. That is a crazy. I know this isn't what's happening, but it'd be so insane if the interviewer

was like trying to catch him on it. He's like, go ahead, say something. Oh, all right. Okay. Well, you've got me there. You win this round. You've got me there. God, that's so sad.

There's so many things to lie about. Why do this is kind of like the charity one where I'm like, yeah, people will meet him. I really say that doesn't make any sense. I really wish Jordan had a podcast. I know he doesn't. I'm like really sad that he has the stigma about not having a podcast. No, I'm upset that you'd say that I didn't have one. Hold on.

I'm feeling pressed right now. I'm feeling attacked. Okay. First of all, he is a minor. So he died today. I have 99 mining. Have some respect for the dead. Thank you. I had three cardiac arrests right now.

And I don't want to go to jail. I'm too young. My cardiac can't be arrested. I don't want to get cardiac arrested. She never faced like criminal charges, but she was sued like in the Australian federal court. And so in 2017, they gave her basically a fine of $410,000. And they still have not collected that from her

about the doesn't seem like very much right. But the charity thing which broad I don't exactly know. I think it's like, so many partially because of the charity thing and also because like she was lying in her her like cookbook That she was selling about having like cured her cancer with these things. Yeah, that's actually wild That's what I think is like that would mean like under those laws That would mean that OJ would be in kind of legal trouble by specul- like writing a story as though he did do it in kind of legal trouble by spec like writing a story as though he did do it.

Because I was like, so was that her now? OK. So this is this is the part of the 60 minute thing that recently came out a couple of weeks ago about like what what she's up to now. Cancer con woman, Bill Gibson has been gambling, trading on the stock market and online shopping. Gibson's bank statements show she has the money to trade in crypto currency. She keeps popping up here and there and the media leap on it at every turn. She shows up at one point as part of the Ethiopian community, which was a great surprise. Hmm?

Huge transformation. I became deeply invested in the community because I saw the character and the values of your people. In a way, she's still getting as walked into as it might be, an adulation that she seemed to seek. And she seemed to seek it in the most outrageous ways. Tara Brown W. Love Tara Brown.

I'm so confused. Right. She almost feels over it. OK. This is where Jacob locked in. Jacob puts his fedora on, pushes his glasses up. What do you mean she got super interested? I don't know.

I don't know what's happening. This is jump the shark and this is a real person. My geopolitics isn't strong enough to know, but I'm sure it is a place that is being... Some information about that. So in 2020, the day after the first raid on her home to recover assets to pay her her fine her debt. Yeah A video of her wearing a head scarf speaking partially the Oromo language discussing the political situation in Ethiopia surface she professed to have been adopted by the Ethiopian community in Melbourne

by volunteering for four years, calling her adoption in the community a gift from Allah. The head of that community thought that she was someone's girlfriend in the group, but then the reporters told him about her past and then he asked her to leave the group. Oh my God. Are you guys interested in watching the trailer

for Apple Cider Vinegar, the Netflix show? Yeah, okay, so Netflix, if there's a story to be told, Netflix will opt in. Their first instinct. Yeah. They're like, hey, they watch Good Morning America and they're like, we have this video of a dog skateboarding. Should we make a movie, like a thriller about that?

There's nothing in the rules that says a dog can't skateboard. By the way, worst PR for apple cider vinegar in decades. Unlucky boys. But they've had a good few years. All right, let's watch this trailer, and then we'll catch you on Sad Boys Nights, where we're going to fucking blow the lid off of this new controversy.

Guys, I don't have anything. I don't know what we're talking about. That's pure speculation on that part. Yeah, I have no clue. Jacob knows absolutely everything we know, and we don't know anything. Cake Wars? Oh, Cake Wars.

That's such a huge favorite. I don't even remember. We have meetings about this, I swear. I should know what this is. But here's a clip of us talking about cake wars. I feel like these Walmart cakes are getting so out of hand. The fact that you can purchase a vintage heart cake for five to twenty five dollars is insane considering sometimes ingredients alone cost twenty five to thirty five dollars. I think this is kind of what happens when like class consciousness and Criticism of capitalism at a base level which should exist gets kind of like disseminated amongst people that don't really understand why it's bad It's weird because I empathize with big market coming into our small

Market and pricing everyone out this thing this happens constantly right like um it's by design It's not like a yes. did we price it too low? Sorry. Let's jump into this Netflix. Because I just got recommended Apple Cider Vinegar because they're like, you like crazy shit, right? Should I watch this damn show? It must have affected her that my book was reviewed as better than hers.

I'm sorry. Who was her? Miller. She was diagnosed with cancer. So she's consistently maintained. I have no reason who's her? Miller. She was diagnosed with cancer. So she's consistently maintained. I have no reason to doubt her. Because in her case, it's true. I kind of want to learn more about Belle.

I want to watch some video essays about Belle Gibson after this. I love dude. Shout out to Australian liars. They have given us two separate episodes. Oh yeah. That other one was on, was that on main or on nights? I think it was on main... Actually, that was a funny question. I think it was nights.

Oh, you know what, it was on afternoons. It was. It was the watchalong. Yeah, so we did a watchalong, where a lot of it's commentary, and we didn't watch the full video, because we didn't wanna, you know, take someone's video, but there's a lot of it's commentary and we didn't watch the full video because we didn't want to take someone's video, but there's a lot of our commentary on a AM Glimpse video about a Australian scammer who lies about their identity a bunch, so we're in deep with Australian scammers.

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Attend the gym. You're the manager that yells at the clientele, whatever they don't. Get out of my gym, but get back in my gym. Oh, all right, I'm going. That's excess. Clean the machines. Why did I not go to this gym?

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