Sad Boyz - The Hidden Side of "Princess Treatment" (w/ Ify Nwadiwe) | Sad Boyz

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Jarvis and Ify revisit Final Fantasy X, and discuss the intricacies of the "Princess Treatment" movement. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Submit a question for a new Pen Palz: Advice segment! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Over 100 Bonus Episodes: Sad Boyz Nightz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ✨⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Find Us Everywhere⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠✨ 00:00:00 Protein Flavors 00:07:36 Hyperfocus 00:13:45 Final Fantasy X 00:23:07 Modded Handheld Systems 00:24:31 Guitar Hero 00:26:30 Ocarina of Time 00:29:51 Princess Treatment at Dinner 01:31:07 Ashton Hall Chicken & Watermelon 01:47:25 Sad Boyz Nightz 121 CREW: Hosted by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jarvis Johnson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and Ify Nwadiwe (filling in for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jordan Adika⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Produced & Edited by Jacob Skoda Produced by Anastasia Vigo Thumbnail design by @yungmcskrt Outro music by @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis and I'm Jordan How y'all doing and that's that's Jordan. Yep, and and today we're joined by no one no one else Yeah, Anastasia's here peeps is here Jordan is here and that's the last we'll be saying about that Now Jordan's out of town He's out. He's out of country actually for the next little bit. So we're going to be having a rotating cast of characters in the Jordan spot, playing the role of Jordan. As you know, every episode of Sad Boys is scripted. So iffy here, we're joined by iffy

Wadiwe who's learned all of his lines. Yes, of course. It's me, Jordan Adika. Pish posh applesauce. Oh, wow. You sound more authentic than he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How you doing, bud? Pretty good, I'm feeling good. Nice and warmed up.

We got some matcha in me. We got some matcha in you. I ate some saltine crab. I have like four beverages that I've had this morning. And I feel strange and I think it's my fault. You overbevrated? Beverages that I've had this morning. Yeah, and I feel strange and I think it's my fault you over Bevrated I had like a I had like coffee one and then I had coffee to different types of coffee Yeah, and then I had some water

I had a NW zero sugar root beer because I wanted something with no caffeine Yeah, and I ate some saltine crackers and now I feel like somebody's watching me. Now tell me who, tell me who. But yeah, so I feel bad but that's what makes this show great is that I'm allowed to feel bad. The podcast where you can watch someone feel bad. Yeah, you can watch me be in discomfort for drinking too many beverages and then

eating like, uh, you know, this quest, uh, protein bars that just like complete shit. I'm actually a quest stand, but I know my taste buds are bad, but I don't think, but here's the thing. I eat it. It, but like I don't, it's also not where I think almost two decades of just like lifting weights and eating protein. And I think because I've tasted the progression of protein progress, I have some kind of a sense of, you know, I'm not a meathead, but I'm a meathead. I'm a meathead.

I'm a meathead. I'm a meathead. I'm a meathead. I'm a meathead. I'm a meathead. I'm a meathead. I'm a meathead. I'm a meathead. I'm a meathead. almost two decades of just like lifting weights and eating protein. And I think because I've tasted the progression of protein progress, I have some quests and I'm like, Oh, you have like, so I will say this, this crumble. Yeah. While they're, while they're, uh, protein bar is not my favorite.

I think they have a lot of really good products. Like they have, um, they have those like Reese's peanut butter cup Oh, yeah, that are really good. They've got like Doritos style chips that change the game for me Yeah, so a lot of those things are good. Um, but the one thing that stays strong is that the protein bars taste like sand Yeah, they do just kind of turn into grainy little bits of sand in my mouth. They're just thick. Are you getting the Oreo cookie one? No, this was the chocolate chip maybe peanut butter question mark. Calling it a flavor is really generous. Yeah, I know that one. It's more of like an inspired...

Yeah, that's like a low tier one. I think the cookies and cream does well because the cookie pieces kind of like... I do want some cookies. I'm a sucker for cookies. I think the cookies and cream does well because the cookie pieces kind of like I just I I'm a sucker for cookies. Oh, yeah. I just recently did a thing that probably won't be out for some time millennials Be like I recently did a thing but uh But we were ranking desserts and like I am like the cookie was rated really high Okay, and I was like I think as a dessert a singular Like it was like a flavor of cookie. I'm keeping it vague just in case you know not to spoil it But it was and I was like I think if you did because sometimes it fluctuated sometimes

It was like this specific flavor like it'd be like a strawberry cheesecake And then it would be a regular cheesecake and sometimes it's like donuts. You're like well. Yeah, if you have all of donuts Yeah, that's high ranking, but I don't think like a singular flavor of cookie is a top 10. I personally will put in my own personal pantheon of Pastries mm-hmm sorry. I just love alliteration. You love yeah, he also specifically because I need to practice Pronouncing your place either practice pronouncing my plosives Love yeah, he also specifically because I need to practice Your place practice pronouncing my plosives Poor the pop filter

Anyway, I would personally put it doesn't start with a few chocolate chip cookies in my top ten. Okay, I Get it. I understand. I also I am kind of obsessed with the concept of a chocolate chip cookie without chocolate chips because when I was a kid, and someone, I think, I wanna say Johnny Sun or somebody posted a recipe for this, but when I was a kid, I was like, why does the cookie part of the chocolate chip cookie taste so different than a sugar cookie.

Yeah. And Peeps is chomping at the bit right now. I am so passionate about this. Please. Because, okay, every time there's a sandwich place and my dad and I would go a lot and they have really good chocolate chip cookies, but I would always be really excited

if they give me one with very little chocolate chips. Right. Because it's the brown sugar in chocolate chip cookies. Right. It does it. The brown sugar. And I've been meaning to make some little chocolate chips, because it's the brown sugar in chocolate chip cookies. It does it. The brown sugar. And it's so good, and I've been meaning to make some without chocolate chips, because that's just so good by itself.

And everyone's like, why wouldn't you want them? And I'm like, because it's a better sugar cookie. You should make it like a chocolate, like a single, you know, because we call it chocolate chip cookie, but really it's chocolate chips. So what if you just put one chocolate chip in there? Yeah, just for like a single dish. Yeah

I can I just contribute one knows of course we told you to stop talking my Love the dessert that is Sorry, I just was imagining can I say something with a, I just said, you're like, I love desserts. That's all. I just wanted to put that out there. No, no, no, please, please, please. Like at BJ's brew house, they call it the Pazooki,

where it's like a kind of gooey, fresh baked chocolate chip cookie with ice cream on it. Yeah. In my opinion, too much cookie. Too much cookie. In my opinion, separate, separate, but equal. You know, like ice cream, you can be over there. Cookie. You can be over there. Don't like your sides touching.

No, I don't mind that. Okay. Just for whatever reason. I think I like room temperature to warm cookies on the like temperature spectrum. And the ice cream is going to bring it down. Accelerate the cooling process and I don't always like that about my cookie. I like a really hot brownie with vanilla ice cream on it especially when you it's still hot and but the ice cream helps it not burn your mouth. That's perfect. I agree because there is something a little flirty and a little risky, almost like jumping out of a plane,

to me, of when you have that really hot fudge brownie. And you're like, it's almost burning the roof of your mouth, but you're like, don't worry, I can, oh no, am I gonna burn myself? Just kidding, we're dousing the flames with some nice vanilla ice cream. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't allow us to segue. Because first, I do want to ask if you have as weak a spin. Oh, my week's been great. I mean, it's so funny.

I was just going to be like, I don't know if you've seen how some people point out where it's like, everyone just says, everything's good when it's not. And I think this part. No, it's been a spicy week for me. I think there's a, it's been it's been a spicy week for me I think there's like, you know a lot of like hard conversations happening in Relationships, but I know but we're on the other end of it. So I think it's good and it's you know, only Wednesday so today and tomorrow I fly to Seattle to go see my boys MCR

I wanted to do a thing where, cause, um, Frank and our buddy Evan got into magic and I was trying to get them to do a draft. I offered your house. At one point, at one point, uh, if he asked me if I would host a magic event for my chemical romance. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, sure. I don't know. So what if you're like, no, I like actually My my my my dad runs the white parade. Yeah

Imagine if I came like to my own house like in emo makeup. Yeah and like emo makeup and like wearing like a black tee and like a big gaudy like belt buckle with the like studded belt because these are things that I owned in middle school I wish I still had and then I was like making song references to everyone what if I was just like that guy yeah my chemical romance wasn't like a hyper focus for me but but I of course, uh, love their stuff, but thankfully it's not because I probably couldn't be normal around like Paramore. Oh, yeah. I, you know, I, yeah, that's if I ever was in the same room as Haley Williams, I'd be so weird. I'm going down to Tampa so that I can see them, uh them do it where Evanescence opens and I can't tell you

what's gonna happen when I see Amy Lee. I can't. Yeah I feel like I would start every if I was asking Amy Lee how her Pazuki was I'd probably be like how does your Pazuki take? You know I wouldn't be able to be normal to be Yeah, so that's it but I I was trying to get them, you know down here, but they had rehearsals and I was out of town He needs it but I think I want to surprise them with like maybe some expensive ass collectors packs cuz I kept Dangling it and was like we're gonna do a draft. We're gonna do a trap. Yeah, I got too busy Yeah, but always happy to support and can always run any magic thing

yeah I this week am doing good hell yeah though I did recently slide into someone's DMs that I met at a party okay and they haven't responded that is always the worst. It makes me upset. I'll say it, I have human feelings. Yeah, I know it is.

I mean a DM slide is so, you know, so risky. I love it. It was like a meet at a party, follow, follow back. And then it was really just like a hey nice to meet you, but trying to open the door for a potential Hey, let's grab coffee or something like that. And who's to say this could still happen. Maybe a busy beat Oh, yeah, we've got a roller coaster this whole time It's always wild when it's like maybe like two weeks later and they're like, I'm so sorry

This was trapped in like some other place. I believe look, I Think I just need to err on the side of I just need to err on the side of pessimism sometimes to not get myself excited. And I thankfully did that here, so I'm not invested. There was a recent DM exchange, and I don't know if this person wants anything romantically or whatever, but it did help me connect the dots on why I end up dating so many autistic women. Because one of the things that really makes me attracted to someone is when they're very hyper-focused

and love to overshare about something that they really love in great details. It's like, that to me is flirting, when you're just like, oh, here's all this, this, and they responded to a post I said where I said March Madness was Imogen Heaps. It sampled Imogen Heaps, I forget the song now, but we went back and forth whether it was like interpolation

or sampling and why I thought it might be sampling. And then they like listed out the keys and why they're different and all this, and then went into their Serato DJ program and layered them and played it. And I was like, this is the hottest thing ever. And you're just probably just like, here's this info. And then it didn't hit me until they just traveled

and they came back and We're just kind of talking about because you know the LA Metro finally has the train that goes all the way to the station and they were just kind of like Talking about like oh, this is what it like 20 minutes to get back to the station all this stuff But then when they got to the train they were like, Oh, this is the light rail and said like the exact type of train it was. And I was like, Oh, okay. I think there's like connective tissue here. I was going way different than you thought it was when I said I date a lot of autistic women, huh? I, I made a face. Well, cause I was like, where is this going to go? And I,

and maybe I did guess it was trains. Well, okay To share but it was like it was but to that because you know it because it's such a meme at this point It made me connect that thing was like oh And it made me think that it was like a usual suspects moment of just like how detailed they were and truly they could just Be like a secret producer who's just very knowledgeable about it, but I think Just anyone of the hyper focus. I like I want nothing more than to just talk about Final Fantasy 10 Yeah, and Expedition 33 because I guess since we last recorded the podcast I think I we had just started or I just I was in act one or one to two when

Jordan left or when we recorded the last stuff with Jordan and then since then I've like played the game played new game plus started like watching the Documentary behind-the-scenes stuff learning about the people who made the game. Yeah, and then I was like looking into The games that inspired it and one of them was Final Fantasy X, and I had never played Final Fantasy X. I played, you know, seven and nine when I was younger, and then three when it came out on DS. And so I was kind of a little bit in, I played a little bit of six,

just because it was so hyped up, but never 10, and I don't know why. Well, the main reason, I didn't have a PS2. Oh, that's a, yeah. Yeah, and that was the main thing. I was like a GameCube kid, and then my down the street neighbor, Malcolm, had the PS2, and so we would play PS2 games over, I would just kind of watch him play,

and I think I'd watch him play a little bit of Final Fantasy X, but let me tell ya, I'm now 50 hours into it, good game. It is older than peeps, I like looked this up. Wait, what, am I allowed to ask that? Yeah. Isn't that like a HR violation? Aren't you not supposed to ask people that?

We've talked about it before. We've talked about it. We've talked about it! I'm giving you permission to ask me. What year were you born? 2002. See, the year after Final Fantasy X. Oh, I, um, that's my sophomore year of high school. Yeah.

Yeah, so that's a thing. Um, but... When you walked in, you were doing that Chocobo Challenge challenge and that is one of my biggest pet peeves. There's two pet peeves I have around these. I hate when like big strong weapons are attached to a mini game that doesn't have anything to do with the actual game gameplay. And I hate when achievements are locked behind like, whereas like you to get all the achievements, you have to get gold in every one of these like mini games. Yeah, yeah. Like that's why like I think

Spider-man and Spider-man 2 have the best like trophy achievement system. Like those are the only games I platinum because it's like if you participate in all of the things and if you find like yeah I'm down to go and find all the little niggas yeah don't make me have to be the best at this side thing and like you know arguably like theirs is like a fight battle and it's like yeah a fight battle fight battle yeah there's like a battle simulator kind of mini game but I'm like no I don't want to have to get gold in that I don't want to have to see that like make me explore your world but don't make me have to I'll play that

Good play devil's advocate and then I will hard agree with you. So first I'll say that There are a lot of the ultimate weapons in this game, which I don't mind It I was almost gonna say no spoilers, but this game is older than peeps so I think I'm allowed but But yeah, so one of the, there are, there's, okay, they put a complete side mini game where, so there's a sport called Blitzball. Yeah.

And you play Blitzball, and it's one of the ways that you get one of the best weapons for one of the characters. Yeah. And you can play in like a league, and you can recruit players. And Blitzball is like so fleshed out that I'm actually fine with it

because it's basically like they've just put FIFA in the game. And because it's basically water soccer where you're like just underwater. This Chocobo bullshit, oh, there's also one where there's an area called the Thunder Plains where you can hit X to like dodge lightning. Yeah, and they're like one of the weapons is locked behind consecutively dodging the lightning like

200 times there's like a challenge where you're like and that is just like come on. Yeah, but The thing that pisses me off about this Chocobo shit is, and I'm sure there are people that played this game back in the day that get this, is that in order to get the thing that you need for one of Tidus' celestial weapon or whatever, is you're riding a Chocobo against this other person and you need to hit these balloons. And if you get the balloons,

they knock some time off of your score So if you get enough balloons, then it can knock your score down to zero. However, there's a complicating factor Which is your score is also impacted By these birds that can fly out and hit you Which I witnessed happen quite a few times and it and the problem is that These orient theations of the balloons are randomized, like there's a handful of set things

that it is randomized between, and some of them, it is just impossible to get certain balloons, so you have a low, low, low chance, if not a zero chance, of actually getting a perfect run, which you would need to get the weapon. The other aspect of it is that the camera is moving on its own, also the game will bump, there's invisible walls where when the camera's moving,

it will like bump you the opposite direction, like another direction that you're not choosing to go. So there's so many things that are out of your control on top of the fact that these birds are so random in how they spawn. I almost, I think I've been at it for like an hour and a half or more, and I almost had a run that was gonna be perfect, and I got two pixels away from the finish line,

and three birds spawned out of nowhere, hit me, I was stun locked, hit me again, I was stun locked, hit me again. And that is like so rare to happen, that I like stood up and I said, aw man, like it was frustrating. Yeah, that's the very sweet part. The way that people describe it is like,

you kind of just have to keep doing it until you get good enough RNG that the bad things don't happen. And in that way, it kind of feels like speed running, where everybody who's speed running has the skill to get it, or when you're a good speed runner, you have the skill to get a good time, but sometimes there's RNG elements,

where I need a one in four to even be on pace for the best thing possible to happen. And then I need to get lucky over here, and then I need to get lucky over there. And it takes like 30, 40 seconds to go through one of these runs. Yeah, but it's, ooh wee. But you're gonna get it soon.

I'll get it, and then I'll be really happy about it. But I don't know if but Blitz ball I'm down with because it's like a fun game and either skilled to it and there's like It feels like you're playing a soccer game or something. Yeah when Final Fantasy That set was announced. I was magic the gathering magic it magic the other I was Deep in the lab thinking of a blitzball ask Kind of like sub game to make with magic and I've been like, oh I need a replay it really hit all the points It's really like once I got used to because I was just playing like

modern Games. Yeah where the graphics are just better because it's a different time. But there is a lot of charm, and I didn't think that I would feel that charm for old, like old pixel, like when you look at like SNES games, they age really well because pixel art is still an art form in gaming that is like appreciated. And while you can just have more pixels on

the screen in modern games or indie games or whatever there is like a beauty to the way that the pixel art is done in these older games with um early ps2 games where they're like just figuring it out or like I guess ps1 is really where they're just figuring out like cloud yeah looks like like seven triangles you know Oh, yeah, but it's funny about that is that when my sister and I played Final Fantasy 7 when it first came out. Yeah, we were obsessed with it Yeah, we thought the cutscenes were so beautiful

Oh, yeah, and they are we would pop in a VHS tape and record that we had our you know VCR hooked up to our PlayStation so we could like record the cutscenes. There's a couple of things about that one The if you play if I played this game on a ps2 with a crt or like old tv it would look better than it does on like I was these lcd just getting ready to jump into that because I've been on my retro gate so I went to something called too many games

fast to do faster purple warm and I told I first thing I said when I walked in I was like Jarvis if if we we can't go to that place brought your PSP Yeah, I bought a PSP and a Gameboy the PSP is just such a frustrating purchase too because I did Faloula Borg has like a gaming show and I did it and they Yeah, they gave like a a like for doing it a modded PSP They sent it and they sent it through the uber system and I was in a meeting even though Like the Lou was like you have to wait out to get it wait out to get it And of course, I was like no I can do two things at once I couldn't I never got it and I was so

Bummed because I got excited about having a PSP again So then it's been on my mind So I went and grabbed it grabbed crisis core because I also like I'm gonna go back and play the Final Fantasies And then I saw the Gameboy SP and I already have a GBA bat lit from Etsy Somewhere I tried to find it because I couldn't find but then this was great and had the char symbol on it also because the SP's are rechargeable, I don't have to worry about the Double triple a battery the double a batteries. I I would need for advanced even with the modded ones yeah but they mod them now with um with with lithium-ion batteries yeah like you the modding

communities I'm so impressed oh because you can get you can get like a like an old-school GBA like this yeah like modded to have a lithium-ion battery and a backlit screen. Yeah bigger and higher higher resolution but um And also yeah the the money we can go off on that because for my brother's birthday We did we played clone hero and so he had these modded like guitar Hero guitars with like LEDs in them. Oh yeah, I got clone hero upstairs and my OG guitars that I just have an adapter for. Yeah, but the newer ones have better switchers on them so they feel better.

And like I still have a bass that's sitting in my closet from the pandemic when I told myself I would learn the bass. But I was like, oh, even though like a lot of these skills aren't transferable, like I can strengthen my fingers by just playing this more. And I like looked it up in some guitar dude on Reddit was like, yeah, that's true and that's about it. And I was like- Well, I know that's true because I used to be a little,

when I was a little rascal, I was like pretty good at Guitar Hero. And I used to like try to get 100% on all the songs, and five star all the songs and stuff, and I passed through the fire and flames, I didn't get five stars on it, because I didn't have time for that. But when I got Clone Hero,

and I found and storage my old guitars, and I have the right generation, there's the Gibson SG from Guitar Hero 3, is considered one of the better like OEM controllers and I still had one of those and I loaded up clone hero and loaded up one of my favorite songs to play which was the metal by tenacious D and I had the like muscle memory of the Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun This is like what athletes feel like when you like don't got it anymore I was like, oh, I I don't my muscles aren't as strong as they were when I was a youth you busted your Achilles

Yeah, oh man But to back on what we're talking about I got also ocarina of time because I never played it same reason. I was a PlayStation household I never had it in 64 never had a GameCube I think I talked on an earlier episode when GameCube had the contest of like, what would you do for a GameCube? And like I said, I would oil myself up and walk around asking for where the GameCube was.

Like, true humiliation. I will do whatever humiliation ritual you want, Mr. Miyamoto. I'm so glad they didn't pick it. So I'm playing Ocarina of Time for the first time Why are you playing it on what console? I'm playing it on N64. Oh on the OG on the OG and I was gonna say because We can talk about this later, but I replayed Ocarina of Time recently through An open source project that added a bunch of quality of life features. Yeah, and I'll tell you about it I like because I could spend a whole hour talking about it

We'll talk later. Yeah, I mean I'm digging it so far, but it just looks Not good and not because the game itself looks good But I finally hit the point where I was like, oh this is that because trying to use the component cables to HDMI Where it just doesn't look that good and I think the it is so clear in that game Yeah, you need some like high quality technology to get it to look I've looked it up and like for a really decent one it's like 300 400 bucks, and I'm like do I do this is this enough?

Or is this gonna be a thing where I gotta get hit with another Free that I might talk to you about after this. Okay, just get like a $20 CRT CRTs are harder to get than you think. Yeah, just because I'm you keep keep it safe Keep it to me Mainly just cuz like I know from the like Super Melee community, because it's still very active, it's just we don't make them anymore. And so getting a good one that has a good, whatever the analog equivalent of a refresh rate is and stuff.

Yeah, and that kind of stuff is Apparently a hot commodity like they obviously they're there a thing that you can simultaneously Get for free off the street. Yeah, you're like in the right place at the right time and also go on eBay and overpay for There has to be communities online that repair and like for sure. 100%. You know, trick out these like old CRTs. That's a whole like, you know, industry that existed until like flat screens took over. Oh man, and I want to talk more about that, about refurbishing old technology. However, Anastasia earlier had an incredible, incredible...

Do you want me to say it again? Yeah, say it again, say it again incredible say it again say it again say it again I think it was something along the lines of when you order your dessert no give us a new one connected to Final Fantasy and okay about this when you're or when you're playing when you're okay I got one okay when you're when you're playing

retro video games with your with your partner do you Let them order what game you're gonna play. No, no, how about this? Okay. Oh, we like retro video games What about retro relationship dynamics? Trad wife my final fantasy would be that my husband orders my Let's talk about trad what let's talk about trad wifey's. Yeah. This popped off on TikTok.

This woman, I think her name is. It's we're back to the princess treatment, which we had an episode about. Something Joelle, what's her name? Joelle Embiid. Yeah, her name is Joelle Embiid. She's seven foot two. Yeah.

Courtney Joelle. Courtney Joelle on TikTok. She's a trad wife. She talks about Princess Treatment a lot. Let's see what she has to say about dining out. Okay, I like that. Yeah. Let's talk about Princess Treatment if you're at a restaurant and how you interact with the waitstaff and the hostess. If I am at a restaurant with my husband, I do not talk to the hostess. I do not open any doors and I do not order my own food. What? Why? She didn't say that in like a braggadocious way either. It felt like... It feels

very practical. Like here's how you do it. Yeah. It seems especially because you know it kind of starts off worse like, okay you're trying to know about what princess treatment is. Here's what it is. Already, Ravagate like yeah this yeah, this is a DOM subdynamic. I think the only difference is subs will usually open the door for the DOM, which was like a real like shift. And it really is like, you do like, I think that's the first thing I think that will get people kind of like looking at you where they're like... Do we think that like these people are... because there's a lot of like in those kind of dynamics in those communities there's a lot of nomenclature and like terminology and like ways of being. Do we think that these people are like trad and then have like kind of reverse engineered

the same like type of dynamics? 100%, I think it's a lot. We've seen this, it's, you know, this is, right now we're gonna focus on like the trad dynamic, but we've seen this countless times on the internet where people are just rediscovering something that has always existed, but they did it through their means, and without any research or looking into

it does this thing exist? And so they're like, I think it happens to tech bros a lot, where they're like, me and my girlfriend has tried this thing where once a week, we'll grab some food, we'll share how all of our week is going and make plans for the future And people are like, that's a date. Yeah, you just reverse engineered dates. But also, I'm the CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

Where it's like you're like, and it's this idea where we're on the other cusp, because I think I've already alluded to my, you know, how, um, let me Google that for you ruin the internet, but we're on the next step where, because, uh, and not to, just to do a quick summary, I feel like the insistence of using Google for all of your information kind of led to people being like, Oh, with Google, I'm an expert at anything. So I don't need to consult anyone. And now we're on the next stage of this where it's like, Oh, with Google, I'm an expert at anything. So I don't need to consult anyone. And now we're on the next stage of this where it's like, well, as an expert, not needing to consult anyone, let me start inventing things.

Yeah. But since your GPT is the next frontier of that. Oh yeah. Well, and she's like repackaging it, right? Cause she's calling it princess treatment, which implies, and I've already watched this, but she implies that she is the important one. She's the princess she's being catered to. I'm glad that you brought that up because I'm actually glad I'm here to kind of talk

about this because I think that because of the kind of visuals of a dom-sub relationship, there is like an idea of who's in control, but it is and has always been the subs make the rules Before you enter any dom sub dynamic you're going to negotiate and see what's happening But it all's like you're dominant you're you're dominant and of course, you know It's not one-size-fits-all and no but like you are negotiating how you want it to work But like at any time your sub can be like I'm'm, I'm, I'm not into this or I'm out or safe word and vice versa, of course. But typically like, I think there's this idea is like, uh, like it's seeming like they make the rules. It's like, yeah, even in a Dom

sub dynamic, the sub is kind of like setting the rules and what, what is going to happen? Like it is a negotiation. you're doing it together, but like yeah, my golden rule when anyone's ever asking or like is interested in that space, I always say it has and will always be, because I think the best way to think about it is this, is like this is something I've always been like interested in the lifestyle since like I was like 18

But as a singular like person trying to be dominant You just can't do it and I very much didn't want to be someone who just Started doing it when I didn't know what the fuck I was doing I wanted to make sure so it wasn't until like I started dating someone who's been a sub a service sub It's been in the lifestyle who can kind be like, this is how it all works. You've got an intern under someone who's done the, let's hear what else she's got to say. Yeah.

And he goes to mark the car, what do you do? Or if it's raining or something like that, and he wants you to put your name down, and I had a very similar situation. Wait a second, wait, so people are like, oh, I might have to do something. Yeah, they're like, how does this work on a realistic level of light? So he has to park the car.

He has to open the door for you. He has to do all this stuff. But what if it's raining and he has to drop you off? Do you just stand there and do nothing? And she's saying yes. Yeah, of course. That's I mean, what would we ask her to do something? She's a princess.

It gets a little weirder. It's like that improv game where the actors just stand there and someone has to move all of their limbs for them. Mm. They can't do anything until you move their arm. We didn't have a reservation, so we wanted to go up and see if it was possible for us to get in. He pulled the car up at the valet station. He got, I stayed in the

car. He got out of the car, told the valet, I'm just going to run in and ask a question and leave my car here. I sat in the car while he ran in and asked them. They said, yeah, we have space for you. And my husband said, okay, I'm going to go get my wife and then I'm going to park the car. So comes back out opens my car door, walks me into the restaurant opens the door and I stand in wait. I did not make eye contact with the hostess. I did not talk to her. I waited until my husband came back. When you're not making eye contact, are you like looking down in shame? That's the part that bumps me is so you're, like, why not?

You're just standing there silently looking down, not making eye contact with the hostess. The hostess is like, I can see you, and you're just kind of ignoring them. And then that seems just like, really weird. It's like how I teach Dipper to not eat a steak. It's like sitting on the table. It's like, look away, don't sniff it. If I were a hostess and a woman came in and she won't look at me

She's just looking down. She won't talk to anyone and the husband's like I'm doing this I'm gonna my thought is gonna go is she safe? Yes. That's what my Are you yeah, are you in any danger? Yeah, it feels The normal thing I guess if anyone's curious would just be like, oh, I'm just waiting for my partner. Yeah. Yeah. Is that not princess treatment? Yeah. The princess treatment is to be completely with no agency?

I imagine that like the, if I'm just kind of guessing from the context clues, that the appeal of this is just being able to be heads and head empty and just vibe. Right. So like what people idealize about it. Yeah and I feel like you know like in that position if I was the host I think my first instinct would be like oh she must be like European or something. She doesn't like that. Yeah I like I saw this head down. Um, but yeah, I do think there's like this element that's like, oh, they're, that's, that's weird. You know, like what's happening here. Um, and I think that's why there's like such a big, you know,

conversation about like, you know, where you do your like kink dynamics, right? Because now everyone is, once again, these are people who don't think they're doing kink stuff, but this is like what we're going to get into is just the repurposing of a lot of kink stuff here. And it is like very much like that is why, you know, it is like take hollers exists, which it'll come up and things like that where it's like that is, but I think this is on that line where, cause some people are like,

you shouldn't be doing any of that because now you've involved it. But I think there's a certain element of like, they're like, we're always going to be interacting with people. I think the involvement becomes when it's like, Oh D, when it's like leashed. And when it's like you are making, you're doing like humiliation, you know, commands in a public space that everyone isn't consenting to. But I think this will always just roll off as like a weird

couple because I think there's, there are couples who aren't doing this that have this kind of energy anyway. It would almost make more sense to me if I understood that there was some sort of gratification that she was getting out of the inaction because it is being painted like it is like subservience rather than like the princess treatment. You know what I mean? That's why I think it's interesting that she's packaged it as the princess treatment, you know what I mean? That's why I think it's well also thing that she's

Packaged it as the prince. It is it is worth noting that princess is a kink term that is a that is a like subdynamic so like princess is very much what Ironically what she's describing because it's the idea of like your royalty You don't have to do anything right and so I so I'm like going to, you know, stand up and do all this. So the only thing I'll add is just that we talked about a, like someone had like a course about the princess treatment. Yeah. And it was about just getting guys to do things for you, which felt a little bit more, I guess, mainstream.

Like it felt more like, oh, I saw a rom-com and this is what a prince charming will do. Yeah. But this, I maybe it's just like her tone. It also reminds me, I guess this is maybe. A princess doesn't talk to the servants, right? So maybe she thinks of the hostess as a servant. I think it's that much.

So I'm not making eye contact because you're one of my subjects. Like at this point, it's all perspective, right? Because it's like you're saying subservience, but like in her eyes, her husband is being subservient to her and is handling all this business. Like she's not going to do any of the peer to peer. She's not gonna talk to him. She's just gonna sit there. She's gonna look down until she's in front of her dinner. And I guess we'll find out what happens next. I'm locked in. I'm curious where this goes.

Let's say it's raining. You already have a reservation, okay? Your husband's gonna pull you up to the restaurant. He's gonna get out, open your door, he's gonna walk you to the restaurant door, open the door and walk you and he's probably then gonna leave to go park the car or he's gonna go exchange whatever he needs to do with the valet. You're just gonna stand in the lobby or whatever the space is and you're gonna wait for your husband to come back. You're not gonna go up to the hostess and give the reservation name, you're not gonna talk to her. This isn't out of like a I'm better than them and I don't not gonna talk to her. This isn't out of like a, I'm better than them

and I don't need to talk to them and I don't need to, you know. I thought that's what the being a princess was about. What is it about? Well, no, I'll let her, before we chime in, I will let her say it's not this that you've been thinking. What is it? Like, it's not in any sense like you're better than the hostess.

You're just letting your husband lead and be masculine. He made the reservation, he's taking you out, let him do the logistics. It's so funny to me that like, when we talk about like fragile male ego and stuff like that, the concept of letting him be masculine almost feels like it makes it a little-

It undermines it. It undermines it, yeah. Oh no, you can be, you can be big strong man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna let you be masculine right now. Why don't you go tell the hostess about her thing. I think it's the perfect way to talk about masculinity. Like I'm like, yeah, hell yeah.

No, you're right. Yeah, and she's also saying like, oh, it's not about I'm better than the hostess or whatever, but you want the, you're wanting the princess treatment from your husband, but expecting it from everyone to follow it Like this Like I don't think it is neither here nor there whether or not she talks to the hostess or not

You know, like I don't think there's necessary participation here yet. It's just, this person's just standing there and waiting. It's just like being a little weird. Yeah. But like, and how it could be viewed from me outside, because if I'm a service worker and someone comes in and they're clearly waiting for somebody,

that's a normal thing. Also, yeah, because I was saying, I think that it's only weird now just because of the labeling and everything we know that comes with it. And saying you're not doing eye contact. If we're just sitting in a lobby waiting to be seated, and we saw someone walk their wife in, and she just stood there while he went,

and then came back, and then they went up, we'd be like, oh, yeah. I think it's just because there's already a label attached to it that we know it's attached to this princess thing. It inherently is making this thing weird that I think would be normal. I think I see it often even people would not where it's like, Oh yeah, my husband took care of the reservations.

Probably aren't, you know, staring at the floor, but it's the same energy of like, I'm not going up to the hostess. I'm waiting till he comes back. You know, my sister actually does this with me because she's very shy Yeah, and so like she just was like I'm gonna let you tell you I used to do that with My good friend Russell's parents. I would have him talk to his parents cuz I was scared. I Would just sit there and I wouldn't make eye contact and then I'd be like, maybe like

Jarvis wants a sandwich. That's very funny. It was called the Prince Treatment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the Prince Jarvis. You're just being a princess. It's not because you're being hoity-toity. You're just letting your husband leave and letting him take care of it.

So if I don't even know another situation where you would need to be dropped off. Usually there's a valet so you can both get out together. She's like trying to deal so hard with the logistics. I know like there's like we can move past the car parking. And also stop saying you. Say this is what I do. Like she's teaching us. Well no this is prescriptive by definition.

She's like let me tell you how to do it. Yeah. Because it seems like this is in response. Yeah. So, you know, I don't think she's going to pay the two. Another huge part of the princess treatment is I don't know if we specifically talked about this, but the over need to like talk and feel space like you don't need to talk unless you are spoken to. And you have a TikTok. I know that's funny.

Yeah. Like, well, okay. You don't need to talk unless you're spoken to. What aspect of that is princess tree? That's what I don't understand. Okay. But like a letter. I'm just waiting for my husband and then he'll be able to give the reservation. Or you could say, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm not sure. My husband will be back and then you can ask him. You can say it in a very soft and feminine way. Just like a lie. Because you don't want to rob your masculine man of being the masculine

guy who goes Johnson for two. I'm such a cuck. Once again, this is like weirdness because of the labeling, because it's like, no, cause like to me it makes sense of like waiting till everyone's there till you get taken. Like once again, yeah. So like all these things, like, yeah, she'd be like, oh no, you can, we're waiting for my, like nothing is in here. She's like, oh, I don't know.

I guess I'll just have to wait for the man. Well, it's like in the act of it, that's like putting such, she's like, oh, I don't know. I guess I'll just have to wait for the man. Well, it's like in the act of it, that's not happening. It's just in the description of it, she's like, so this is why I'm doing this. But I'm like, that's typically what most people would do in this situation. Yeah. I know this is going to be ripped apart. People will just take things seriously in such the wrong way. But wait, hold on.

Pause. Got us. Got us. People just take things. I'm about to pick that apart. People take things seriously in such the wrong way. But wait, hold on. Pause. Got us. Got us. People just take things. I'm about to pick that apart. People take things seriously in such the wrong way. So are we not supposed to be taking you answering this person's? Cause I'm genuinely just trying to understand.

Well, to me, this is what this, so this, at this point in the video is where it does now we're like, this is more fodder for the overall discussion, which is like, is this kink? Because to me that says like, you are doing, this is a recreational thing. Also, if you're both consenting adults and this is your vibe, who cares? Oh yeah. But I think it's more the like,

projecting it as this, as the, like usually, and I'm not saying that she's doing this because I don't know the rest of A we can talk about that later but when people are like this is the Ideal when that woman was like ladies, this is how you get a man to do things for you And I'm selling a course like that's where it's like, oh, yeah a larger issue I do think even the fact that she's like you do this you do this, you know, don't do this. It is a little, you know,

clear that she thinks other people should do this and it's not just her. To give her benefit of the doubt, that person was asking a question and I imagined, because I ain't gonna read all that, but I imagined what they're saying was, I wanna do what you do, what do you do in this situation? And that's why she's doing it this way,

because I haven't gotten, again, I'm down to watch more of her stuff and figure out what her whole vibe is, but right now it feels like she's explaining how she views things, and it doesn't feel like when she's speaking this you, it sounds like she's speaking to the person who originally asked the question rather than preaching.

But maybe I'm just being too nice. Look, this is just kind of the other end of what we talked about last time out here, where we're at the point of late stage capitalism where even aesthetics are for sale. And so this is like, yeah, she's just kind of talking to this person, but you're right, this is a presentation for, she's just kind of talking to this person, but you're right.

This is a presentation for anyone who would like to join in on this. And so yeah, we'll watch this. And I'm very curious to see what links she has, but sorry, let's go. So if you're sitting down, you're ordering in New York, for the most part, the waiter would come up, they would ask, you know, whatever my husband would start to speak, and then the waiter would address them, and he would kind of, the waiter would get the hint, and only then interact with my husband.

Here in Salt Lake, they don't quite get it. I think they think that I'm like being- Here in where? Salt Lake. Salt Lake, not a surprise, but yeah. Oh yeah. You know, oppressed or, I don't know. Wait, wait, wait, wait,

she's implying that people think that she's in trouble but just the thing that like we yeah wait okay back like back up maybe just a little tinge here and so like they don't quite get it I think I think they think that I'm like being you know oppressed or I don't know like of course cuz New York has a bunch of people living the lifestyle. They're like, oh yeah, this is another one of those kinky couples, you know, like, like in you're now in salt Lake, which is like, you know, the more kind of like progressive part of Utah and they want you to kind of have a voice, you know, because like, yeah,

societally people just order what they want. So it's very, I think a lot of dining experiences in New York are old fashioned. Yeah. Like and that's the appeal of them is they're like, we're going to give you an old fashioned dining experience. So the man orders for the table or one person orders. I will say and I don't think there's a. I don't think this has been the case for me, like exclusively in a dating context, but also just with friends.

Sometimes you like talk about what everybody wants and then one person says everything for the convenience of it all. Or maybe it's like, I'm the one with the menu or. Or we're gonna share, so I'm just gonna order for everyone. Yeah. The meal captain. Yeah. Sometimes you're gonna share. Order for everyone. Yeah. The meal captain.

Yeah. Sometimes you're just the meal captain. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm gonna say we want 22 mozzarella sticks. Yeah. And that's it. Yeah.

Everyone's like, no, what? No, that's what I want. They'll be like, what can I get you to eat? And I will just look at my husband. Like if they address me first, I will just look at my husband and let my husband order. He'll say, oh, she's da da da da da da.

And then if they have a follow up question like, oh, do you want to like this? Sometimes I will answer. Let's say I think maybe my husband doesn't know what I would want. I will then address the waiter. But it's almost like they keep trying to like get me to speak. I'm like, no, I want him to order for me. I like when he orders for me. It's not that I'm not capable of ordering for myself.

It's just fun. It's just a fun princess tweet. But also- Okay, so it's just, thank you. But I thought I was hoping that at some point you would just say that it was fun. Well, that's the thing I called out in the middle where it's like it's very much,

but also I was like, it is funny because it's like, I think if you're, because we've established this, you will say some things. You will speak sometimes. I think a part of this, part of this princess play, you can very much, if you're running into this issue, turn to the waiter or waitress and say- I'm a kinky freak.

No. You could just simply say, he's gonna be ordering for me. And then you don't have to worry about them turning towards you. But you know, friends who said, I'm going to order for the table. Yeah. Like when we're doing a situation or whatever, you know, you know, yeah. Which is another thing. Like to me that that is more of a communication breakdown than like weird not getting it.

It's like less cagey ways to set the weight. Yeah, you can literally, yeah. You can, like, I've done that many times. I was like, I'm gonna be ordering for everyone. Absolutely. So I think there's- But I will say that when we first started this, I like wasn't full, because the way that she is talking about the princess treatment is different than the-

The other lady. The other person that we talked to, and I wasn't fully on board based on that experience that this was a kink thing but at this when she said Like oh, no, this is just fun. This is what I enjoy. I'm like, oh, yeah, of course Like obviously you I believed what you were saying, but oh, yeah. Oh she she admitted Oh, yeah, but that's all this has to be to me. It was loaded in everything. She was saying, you know like it is you're more fluent in that, that like a arena.

And for me, it's like, it doesn't necessarily like immediately catch. I don't know. Look, I don't know this creator. Yeah. But I'm not sure if you said, oh, this is a kink. She'd be like, no. No, I don't know if she would admit.

I would just enjoy it. Yeah, no, they don't think I am firmly like, they don't think they're doing something kinky. I think they're thinking it's fun to be traditional because they think that, like, even in the way that she's kind of describing the waitress daring to, like, consider her opinions, she's like, in this world where masculinity isn't like such and such, it's fun to just get this princess treatment and let my man be masculine for me. Like I think it is like...

Yeah, like a little bit of role play. Yeah, and the fact that it... I'm Seymour and you're Yuna and I'm like forcing you to marry me. And also I'm unsent, which means I'm like dead, but like not really. Yeah. Because I'm like my physical form is here. And anyway, we're enjoying this, we're all having fun. But I do think like, everything she's describing is not uncommon, right?

It's like you have conversations with your partner or you're with your partner long enough that you kind of have little routines like this. And it is like for your enjoyment, even if it's a kink, right? That is like something it's like an enjoyment. Yeah, you are getting gratification out of it. Yeah, exactly.

So this all makes sense to me. But also there's something worth noting that I feel like is worth mentioning in this discussion where it's like, it could be a known kink thing that is being code named around just because the way most social media sites treat sex. Like you, you'd like, if she, if this was a kink thing, she wouldn't be able to talk about it freely before Tik Tok shuts it down and would put whatever

bullshit they want to. Plus, she probably gets more eyes on it by calling it trad-wise. Well, it's funny because it does once again bring us back to the Ashton Hall situation where it's like we are now in this era where like the creating this like faux world that you know people are going to be angry with is going to get more eyes because we're on algorithms that benefit outrage and anger. Yeah, it's okay to be angry. You're plain heel to the world.

And you're like in it, you know, and it's so funny because I did a tweet recently on the bad site where I was like, you know, and it was in reaction to something I saw, where it's funny to me to watch people do quote-unquote rage bait, but then get really defensive. It makes me have more respect for people like this and even Ashton, where it's like you do the rage bait-y thing, but you lean into it because that's what you want. Whereas people are like, I'm going to do RageBait because it's gonna get people here and then realize, forget the concept. Yeah, yeah, what the heck?

And then they'll be like, I was just posting RageBait but then I responded to everything. Why are you guys so enraged right now? It's like, you did that, that's what you wanted but you thought that it would get the repost and the dunks, you didn't know that people were gonna be. And also I think a lot of people, especially when smaller accounts do it,

don't realize how it floods your notification and you just can't interact with the site the same way. So sorry, let's let this princess finish. That's what he says. What happened to, hey, by the way, if you're out there, I'm trying to give somebody the Queen treatment. Yeah, yeah. If you know what I'm saying.

We got an insight into what your dates are like with that role play you. Oh yeah, okay, so you're, okay, okay babe, so you're Lady Unalesca and I have to kill you. Yeah. Oh no. And I do it begrudgingly, of course, because we're not sure if we can stop Sin without the final Aeon, but we don't want Yuna to sacrifice herself. So this is begrudging. And look, every

one of the parties really upset about like this whole situation because we've been, you know, we've been taught praise, Yev in our whole lives. But now that, you know, we've been taught praise, you have in our whole lives. But now that, you know, push comes to shove, we really don't want to see Yuna sacrifice ourself on her final pilgrimage. So anyway, you're huge boobs. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, also, while we're on this X tangent, something that I think is never really said in the Tidus pronunciation and why it's pronounced Tidus instead of Titus. So Yuna is Onakawin for the moon, and Tida is Onakawin for the sun. So it's supposed to be a sun moon, so Tida, Tidus. Oh, that does make sense, because you need items like the Sun crest for yeah this

is weapon but like that's why it's like oh it makes sense it makes sense that it's Titas when you have that explanation but everyone just said no that's just because they said it that way and I was like no cuz Titus like the tides because there's so much water yeah no but I like I actually that makes a lot of sense yeah it does and I immediately stopped because I was a Titus guy myself yeah and because like for me when they're like well because it says it in this dub and I'm like well with localization like I can't yeah trust it you know and then then I saw now not where the voice actors like it's Titas like that would

have shut me up but I didn't see that until now. But anyway. All right, back to the princess treatment. Sorry, I had to get into my like little role play stuff. It's just something I enjoy with my partners. Yeah. It makes me feel special. It makes me just feel like over the top taken care of.

So if the waiter addresses you first, I will simply just look at my husband and then my husband will order. Again, you don't need to over speak, over exert yourself. Well, hold on. If the whole thing is about the way that makes you feel, wouldn't it be individual on what level to which they're 100% what they want? But I think it's that tricky thing you have where you're describing how something works for you,

but also are being prescriptive at the same. You're being prescriptive, yeah. So it's like, it's the why, but it's like, still kind of giving that info. This is a great reminder, just for anybody listening to this, that it is always, it is almost always better to speak from personal experience rather than to prescribe, to say like,

you need to do this, you need to do that. Rather to say, it's helped me, or in my experience, because people don't like to be bossed around unless that's their kink, and this is at a specific scenario where you want that, but also like, it allows space for the fact that people are different. And every time she goes, this is something I enjoy, I go, oh, okay, cool.

And then when it goes back to, now you need to not make eye contact. I'm like, oh. But it's very interesting, right? Because it's like, specifically what she's selling, that is what it is. It's just like, you know, and it's like, it's like, if you want to live, like if, if you want to live my lifestyle,

you need to do these things. Right. Um, but I think you're right in the sense where it's like, there isn't a singular way to do this. So, but I think there's like, there's that, something that is often I think there's like, there's that, something that is often, I think, forgotten, is that like, giving that, I was gonna say suspension of disbelief,

but that's not what I'm thinking of, benefit of the doubt, where you know, based on the subject of the video and the context clues that everything she's saying is in regards to doing it like her. I think that being being personalizing everything when being prescriptive is an

effect of how the internet engages with content. Where it's like if I'm sitting down and watching this based on this context clues, I know she doesn't mean this is for everyone. She is talking about if we're doing this. But because Nuance is dead, I can now pick a part where it's like, well, you said. I'm also the main character, so if anything hits me wrong, it must be a slight to me specifically. I also wonder if she's not doing it on purpose

only because of the fact that now this video, apparently she's been a content creator for a long time, I've never heard of her. But this video has gone so viral that tons of people have heard of her now and it's like that rage bait thing where it's like almost better that she kind of made it prescriptive

because of the fact. Well it depends on what her goals are. Yeah Well, yeah, yeah, but if she's trying to elicit rage then being more prescriptive and more like Extreme on like a spectrum is always gonna get a more Which is larger which is funny because I think that the level of what quote-unquote extreme is has gotten smaller because this doesn't seem extreme to me No, it seems like something I would get to the bottom. It's like alright. Well that none of that's for me When I say extreme, I mean more speaking in absolutes. Yeah, because if you

If you account for nuance in a take then the reaction is always going to be less Lesser than if you say this is the worst thing, this is the best thing. This has to be the way things, if a man ever does X, then you should dump him. And then everyone's thinking, oh well, there's so many, but my guy does that. And so like, I don't know what the sentiment of the reaction to this is yet,

but it does have very few comments to likes ratio, which is interesting, but then the main thing is just like, that I would guess is the reason that it went viral, is the like, how she interacts with other people in service of this thing that like makes her happy. It's like, oh no, well so he has to do everything. And that's a cool thing that I like,

but it's presented as a thing that you should all like if it's normal. And then it's so weird how these people in Salt Lake City don't get it. Yeah. Okay, let's finish this up. You can be feminine and soft and quiet. The most elegant, lovely women

are opted and soft-spoken and don't. Okay, chill. That's where it's like. Chill. Being soft-spoken doesn't mean like I refuse to say the name of our preservation. I like doing this, but not being like, you're not elegant if you talk.

The most elegant women, chill. That's your personal opinion. Obviously, this is what I mean. You say the most elegant women, chill. That's your personal opinion. Obviously, this is what I mean. You say the most elegant women are this way, not in my personal opinion, the way that I view femininity. Yeah. All of those things would soften this blade. Oh, yeah. But that's, but that doesn't get things to go viral. Exactly. But also like if someone was saying that I think IRL, we would just be like, oh, they're speaking on their opinion. You know what I mean?

Whereas like, because it's a presentational video, we're like, oh, then you mean this as law. Well, I also think like there is something to the fact that I know a lot of young people on TikTok who do take this as like, oh shoot, do I need to talk less? Well, that's that once again, like I said, uh, you know, we're at this point of late stage capitalism where aesthetics are for sale. Like think about like when we were younger, right? Where were we getting like our vibes, what we wanted to look like from? We were getting it from like TVs, movies, music videos, video games. This is, this is like in that

realm. And so this is like an effect of that. And I don't think anyone has ever expect expected to have that kind of influence at a level as, as this lit, you know, like you used to have to be like Michael Jackson to have that level of influence on like young minds. But because TikTok is a peer to peer site where anyone can become a celebrity for a day with a singular video, you have this, this, this, this marketplace of aesthetics and ideas of how you want to be that is accessible to people who are constantly shopping for it. So I get exactly what you mean, but it's almost like we are in a time where like, I don't think she even realizes that. I think that most people are looking

at the numbers and go, numbers go brrr, you know, and it isn't until it's too late. And you know, maybe, you know, this is someone who like is posting things and trolling over all the comments and clicking on the comments to see how old they are and looking through their content and see how much they're implementing it to their life That would be hard, but I do think that you know Tastemakers are now more widespread than they were before yeah 100 I agree with that Another if she wants another viral content idea if she just did like an act out with her husband where they go

To a restaurant and then she just keeps like deferring to him and like waiting and like looking down and stuff That would also go viral and not for the right reasons probably but but also the content idea. This is um, you know Is to me this is like and I saw it was on the board. I don't think we'll get to it, but like stage two, Nara Smith, right? Like, this is the, this is the like other side of that aesthetic, right? We were the front static of Nara Smith is at least from the content that has gone viral or has made it across my timeline has been her cooking, her serving her family, her being in these modest outfits

Making everything from scratch and now we're in this one in a very similar like modest outfit soft-spoken tones Not even when we'll get an elegant women are yes We're even getting excited. It's this and now it's like selling this kind of same excited, it's this, and now it's selling this kind of same aesthetic of being like this. And it probably, I think in the way that the internet kind of hypersensationalized and overblows things, it feels punk in its own way to be like, well, everyone is so individualistic and everyone is, for some reason, rights and every, you know, the woke mind virus. So the thing that goes against the grain for that is to be more traditional.

Yeah. How can I subvert this moment? And I think that's what makes it enticing where it's like everyone's trying to have blue hair and leather jackets. So I'm aware of this. Here's how I'll own the libs. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't even think. What happened in the early 2000s too? Like in the 90s, everyone was bleaching their hair or whatever. This is a pendulum. It's pinging because when one popularizes, then the next one is gonna go on the other side. And I don't even think it's like to own the libs.

I don't think younger people are even thinking about that. It's just like what the masses are doing in their eyes. And if you're just like interacting with the internet, because I'm not doing what everyone. Yes. Exactly. Let's, let's, let's run through the rest of this. Lovely women are often soft spoken and don't over speak. They're not loud. Maybe let's also talk about that. You're not going to be laughing loudly, speaking loudly, demanding the attention of the room when you're at a restaurant. You're with your husband, your boyfriend, whoever, fiance, you're speaking to him, eye contact with him. The attention is kind of on him. You're not laughing so loudly that everyone in the room is looking at you or speaking so loudly

that everyone in the room is looking towards you. You know, what's so funny about this is like, there's like such an element to that idea. That's so funny. Like to think that you would be in a restaurant, an active restaurant and your laughter is demanding everyone's attention. It is a little loud. I'm a loud laugher and loud talker. I don't think I've ever wanted attention in a restaurant. That's not why I'm a loud laugher.

But it's so like I'm the center of the universe. Yeah, like it's like really you laughing is gonna be what everyone's gonna turn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, no, it's like everyone's in their own conversation. But to me it's like this very, like it's feeding into like the, uh, the other side of this where like the man said, and there's like, she only notices me and no, this is the only thing. And yeah, it's, it's so like, I try cause like, this is like, like to me, someone is vocalizing and like very

much, um, like celebrating like something I consider like bad brain where I am thinking like everyone's always paying attention or if I'm talking about a certain thing, I want to, so like, because every, and that is that comes from the trauma of like having your chat logs given to an FBI, an FBI agent, giving your chat logs to your parents in front of you and you never feeling like you ever have a sense of privacy in like conversation.

And this flip version is like, you don't want everyone paying attention to you. Oh my God. And yeah, it's very funny. Also it'd be so funny if we'd like scrolled in the restaurants she's going to as like a Dave and Buster's or Chili's. This is Buffalo Wild Wings.

Yeah. Take the napkin, put it in your lap immediately. Now it's out of your closet. You're not waiting. You're not, oh, sorry. You don't even. Whoa, whoa. This person sees Zooey Deschanel as an opp.

It's like you're not being adorkable. You're not being adorkable. Everything's elegant, everything's smooth. Yeah. All right, keep it going. Oh, another thing, at the coat check, let's say it is raining, you have a coat on. Don't go up and wait and ask to for the coat check.

Wait for your husband, let's say your husband's dropped you off early. Wait for your husband to come back and then he can take your coat off and give it to the coat check. So anything really, you're just waiting for your husband to do it. And again, it's not because you can't. It's not because you're not able to.

It's not because you're better than anybody. It's just the fun part. I stopped believing her about the not because you're better than everybody when she said elegant women are quiet. Yeah, I honestly think she's contradicting herself because she says it's fun. But why is it fun? Because I'm the best. I think it's fun because she's acting like she's like play acting.

That's what I was going to say is like it's the role play aspect and that's like in everything about this because that to me like the idea of like elegant women or this, this, this, this, this is always like such an interesting dichotomy because like when in the rare times that I'm in these like spaces with like, you know, rich people, like, um, and you just see the way they interact. It's like, it is always interesting to see like the like performance of what people think they act like and like actually seeing them. And by this I mean like industry like parties, which isn't even like the upper echelon I'm sure. You know Jarvis in his tech days probably saw like,

you know, other people richer than that. That's a different type of performance though because there are different standards. Yeah, because it's new money. Well it's also just different values. Yeah, different values. What do the comments say here? Yeah, yeah, well it's...

Curious. Like, as a former server, they'd be concerned. Yeah, that is the best. Princess treatment, I'm looking for queen treatment, queens speak for themselves, that's what I'm talking about, queens. Yes. This is a kink, like, that's everything I've seen is like...

Even having a prisoner. It's giving hostage situation, yeah. This is a kink like yeah It's giving hostage situation, yeah Yeah, it's it but like, you know, it's so interesting because like on the fly like I sit on such a like When it comes to these things this is when I've truly become like almost like true neutral because I don't like because like what's happening now is that you have a group of people who like are like instilling like like their values where it's like yeah this is this is why this is I think this is yeah but it's like this person has already said like I'm doing this because it's fun for me and this is why I'm doing this but I agree with Anastasia they're

mixing the message unfortunately and so I'm not surprised that people are... Like in what ways do you feel like they're mixing the message? Because... Well, go ahead. It's fun because she's roleplaying being above other people. Yeah. But also just like her like elegant women are this, like these like kind of more broad

statements of like what is that, what is valuable versus what is not valuable? To me, I think that is less, you know, a statement about like her personally and more about the way that we've disconnect capitalism from like the way we look at luxury. Like I think luxury, we has, like capitalism has made it a very good cell of like, it's a little treat for yourself and it's fine

and it's not about being better, but it is, it is. And I think what you're saying at its core is true, but I don't think that she personally knows this. I don't think this is like- I think that I feel like we're giving her a lot of benefit of the doubt when it comes to like, this is a very personal journey for her. And I think that that's true,

but where the message gets mixed is, as she's answering someone else's question, is being like very prescriptive about the way that she likes this whole thing to work out, and the language that she uses is dictating rather than like explaining her own experience. And I think that that's why. That's because you are, like I'm saying,

everything that we're talking about is an effect of the internet. If we were, if this was a peer to peer conversation, if this was something, we would automatically give her the benefit of the doubt that she is speaking of her own experience. I think I might even judge her more harshly if she were my friend and she were in front of me, because I would say, like, she's essentially saying,

I am not a lovely woman. Well, yeah, I'm not feminine. Well, exactly. Here's that is a question you would be able to pose and get an answer right away. Right. As, as if we're in there is like, what's, and like, Exactly. That is a question you would be able to pose and get an answer right away. As if we're in there, and if they're actually your friend and not just this horrible person who you didn't realize was horrible yet, they'd be like, no, what I'm saying is for this lifestyle, these are the rules that are within it. And then you'd go, oh.

And I think the way we ingest content is if we're expecting that peer to peer where it's like you have to immediately like address this instead of never wants to be like, well, what do you mean by this? Do you, are you saying this? And she is in a way like doing that without, but not well. You were like, we're all three on this couch media train. We've been on the internet a long while. This is, and even though she's had this long history of it this is probably like you it seems like her biggest like the most eyes she's got so her version of what you're asking her to do is being like I'm just doing this for me it's fun I'm just because she doesn't know I'm just saying why people are reacting the way that they

are I'm not trying to say that I'm saying that she would get a different reaction if things were maybe, the cards were played differently, but at the same time, she may have gotten the reaction that she wanted. That may be true. But then also, I don't think that you get, if you're creating content, that's the other side of that coin,

where it's like, yes, we consume content in such a way that's like very impersonal and doesn't give someone like the benefit of the doubt. But I do feel like we give this woman the benefit of the doubt, but also she is like the one creating the content and that that comes with like premeditation and a large like, like reach. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think that here's the,

it's the thing I was like, we've, I don't know if we talked about this in night or not, but it is, we're in an age where everything is accessible. We did talk about it at night. Cause it was like, we talked to, when you see the genesis of someone becoming a content creator, and you notice that they've used their social media as a digital scrapbook. And then they switched to now I'm this creator and I'm there.

They don't have the tools and they're doing this. And yes, I think I, I am like accidentally in trying to kind of more so see her side of things, taking a lot of agency away. Like, you know, I think that people know what they're saying. There's power in the words, but I do think that there is when you are trying to be prescriptive and yeah, like you probably shouldn't be

like, you shouldn't be like most elegant women do this. Yeah. But I, I think that if you are not trained to talk to everyone every day, you're not considering the fact that it's like, yeah, in that situation, you need to be like, if you're like, in my opinion, most elegant people who are like, who I consider princesses do X, Y, Z. Yeah. But I do think she believes what she's saying. So it's like... Like you think that she believes that most elegant people do...

I think that she believes that elegant women are not loud. When she... Like I don't see any reason not to believe her when she says that. You know what I mean? I'm not saying she's not believing it, but I'm like, so? You know, like that's my thing. For sure. Like elegant women or not?

But I do think that that can be, that can also be reductive because you could say that about anything. Exactly, that's why, to me that's why I'm like, like what's an elegant woman? You know? Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like, to me it's like,

like that, to be like, obviously we know she's, like there's a heel, there's like purpose purposeful inflammatory nature to like what she's doing and like I think like To to be like an elegant woman is like well, who are you basic and awful? Where are you? You know, like there's so many questions that like disprove anything that you're saying And look to your point. Yeah, we don't know what her motive is. She could be that's why I Can we click her account and see what she's linking. I would love that. Yeah, she she does link to a like a shop page basically. I

mean, but yeah, she's selling clothes and like, oh my gosh, it always leads back to this new age hippie stuff. But this is all just like, probably a referral link stuff. Yeah, daily rituals, self-care, skincare. But like, what is her, oh yeah, what is it? A collection of my favorite princess thing. See, that's, and that's what I'm saying, you're selling an aesthetic. This is all to get people here and being like,

I'ma get this. I think overall she's a lifestyle influencer. She has, I took a peek at her account and she has stuff that's like making the bed and my makeup routine and my daily routine. Like, but, and you know, it is like fairly trad wifey, but it's also more Nara Smith vibes. And I was going to say this, I'm glad I said it before I saw this because I was getting ready to say, I don't think this person is good. I don't like them to me.

And it really ran home when we went to that main page and there were so many American flags because I think, because I, I, I tried, you know, ever since Ashton, I, I try, you know, ever since Ash and I try and like, you know, be more well rounded in this. But to me, I think it leads back to everything we're talking about where it's like the, the, the leading to perfection and, and, and masculine dominance, all this always has its hands in like fascism and, and, and, and white supremacy. Or just like celebrating.

But I, but, but, you know, I didn't, I didn't want to start there. I wanted to start from a place. And just also just like the kink things after like that whole page. And this is why we talked about, we clicked through, we see, we know it really is this like person who, who who's like I'm making this aesthetic to sell. Oh for sure of which like Nara Smith is like the final boss of that. I think you're right because even if they if we're giving them the benefit of the doubt by saying most blankety blanks do blank that is a tell on like a personality tell.

Where's like. I don't even think we're being that harsh. I think it's just like finding some inconsistencies in the, in the, like the message that she's making and then seeing that, oh, you know, obviously people are dunking on her because the like kind of it's giving hostage, like that's the, the easy dunk. Yeah.

And so all the people in the comments are not considering anything, other than like, how do I, what is my, what makes my, how do I serve my id in this moment? You know what I mean? Well, like we actually, we were like, oh, this is a good topic for Ify, because we, and I'm glad you're here for this,

because so much of the internet discourse around this video was like, this is a kink. Like this is, and, and I don't have the language to talk about that. And so it's like nice to hear someone be like, no, in, if she were in this community, she would be talking about this very different way. And I feel like I got lost in the sauce there in kind of the defensiveness I was holding was more for the kink community than this person. And it really is like the, the, and because I think I see a lot of the same language used on when people are just like openly talking about kink.

It was like, that is not that's, and it's like, yeah, it's not for you. It's, it's, it's people trying to talk, but for this person, I think you were very much correct in the sense that it is, um, it is someone who, who is like selling something obviously. Like the thing is I don't even find much wrong with doing this. Having this as your, it's like, okay, it's someone whose content is like

aesthetic tradwife content. They're getting to play around in this space. The only time that I, I guess, take any issue is when it starts to be about like projecting onto other people. Right? Cause like when it's like, well exactly. I, I, now I'm, I kind of got what you're saying there. Yeah. If you were just making this content, that's fine, but that's not what she's doing. I think you're what you have early called out.

This is prescriptive. you are selling this lifestyle. And I think there's a danger here because something you know, Anastasia was talking about earlier, where it's like people are like, taking this in and making it there's personality. And then you go through their pages, all this American, you know, and it reminds me a lot of this kind of like, space where there was this void for content for young males and all they had were the Andrew Tates. And then you, you're in like, I don't think people that like something that's reaching people where they are.

Well, and I think that, you know, people didn't immediately go to Andrew Tate because they're like, I want to go to Andrew Tate because I, you know, hate women and what they want to Andrew Tate because they're like, Oh, I want to understand what it might be like to be a man. There's no, not that much. Or you have sad and I want to prove it's like I have frustrations and things that I feel are problems in the world and someone has solutions and maybe I don't like the way that they, I mean, I think you see this with Trump a lot too, where it's like, maybe they're rough around the edges. Maybe I don't like the way that they're saying these things,

but they're speaking to what I feel are problems. Like why I feel that way, I'm not gonna question. Why that feels like the problem, I'm not gonna question. But these things seem like solutions to my problems, and I want solutions to my problems and I want solutions to my problems above all else. Well, and like the fact that, you know, a lot of people got into Joe Rogan because they were just like, oh, he works out.

I want to work out more, you know, blah, blah, blah. Or like I have a friend who is into alien stuff. Like, oh, he talks about aliens a lot. I'm like, cool. Yeah. I think Joe Rogan was a little more nefarious. Not nefarious, it was, to me- Insidious, like, because Jordan talks about it, too,

where he was like a fan just because of the like, meathead vibe and- Well, exactly, well, there was an era, I used to be a Joe Rogan apologist because there was an era of Joe Rogan, I think I might have said this a million times on here before, where he he had some shitty person on who had him believing their BS,

but then he had a smart person who came on, he was very probably being like, you know what, I didn't consider this way, I'm changing my perspective. And I was like, I think that's the most important thing people can have. Even in the course of this episode, you watch the journey of talking it through

and me kind of coming to a better conclusion. I think that is probably some of the most important type of content to have out now because we are in an age where people think you have to be, it's absolutes, you have to know it all, you have to be right, and if you're wrong, who matters? You defeat it in the marketplace of ideas. And also, you can't be seen as someone with no, it almost seems like you don't have values

if you change your opinion. And it's like you do, because you're the values You're actually open-minded to learning and you're willing. Yeah, the values aren't changing It is your opinion on something based on information and I thought that was so important Especially with the community he had and then he just slowly stopped having the smart You know kind of like well-rounded people on and it was just the same kind of alt-right people. And then it just like. Well, yeah, it kind of comes back to this capitalism thing and how do things fit in the greater tapestry of our media landscape?

Well, it's like with Joe Rogan, it starts to feel when you look at everything, if I look at a man having a conversation with someone he disagrees with, and that man is giving a lot of grace to someone who, let's say as a conspiracy theorist, he has a lot of harmful ideas, in one isolated incident, that I don't think, it's hard to get so mad at that if the person has a, has a reputation for coming into things with an open mind and hearing people out, et cetera.

But in concert, when there is a trend, and that trend is always like serves existing power structures and serves like the powers that, like Joe Rogan, it's like he's has on the FBI director so that the FBI director can say his piece and he has on Trump. So Trump can say his piece. And it's conveniently difficult to get Kamala Harris on. And I'm not saying that like I'm a pro Kamala Harris thing,

but it's just like conveniently angled towards where the power is. Yeah. And it doesn't feel like it challenges itself. And so with things like this, when it's an individual, I'm having my kink or this is like my fun time and I'm cultivating this vibe, fine, but when it fits into a larger tapestry of TradWave content that is angling But when it fits into a larger tapestry of

tradwife content that is angling, not just toward a lifestyle thing, but also perpetuating gender roles for women, like for example, you need to not be loud, you need to do et cetera, et cetera. Even if it like is like princess and elegance and stuff, it seems to be in service of men and power and women in a subservient role, which is conveniently the thing that like,

it's like how convenient that you've like reverse engineered all of these um like you've reverse and you've idealized a time where women were powerless and and men were all powerful but it was cute yeah you know it's like homesteader vibes it's like oh okay it's like well sure we had slaves but like but look at exactly this dress It's it's the thing where you just remove the actual history from it, right? Where it's like, you know, it's easy to look back on those times and be like, oh man It was such a good time for you know Where where men were masculine and they and you didn't have to do anything and not look at the other things when you remove the history

It's how you can have these antebellum weddings and plantations because you're removing the history. You're like, these homes look beautiful. Exactly. We're not gonna talk about what was going on behind them. How cute it is though. Yeah. Wait, no, but you're making me feel bad by talking about the bloodshed.

That took place at my very feet. The human cost of these beautiful, what do you mean these beautiful buildings have a human cost? But they're so aesthetic. Really quickly, before we wrap up, can we talk about this Ashen Hall? Ashen Hall, yeah.

So Ashen Hall did a brand activation. He's been everywhere. We talked about, he had a very embarrassing showing against ISO Speed where he kept racing him and losing and coming up with new excuses. but he's been on his grindset and I Think this will end up with us on his side Well, I actually don't know

Yeah I don't know because he did a he was asked to do a like brand activation with for Glen Powell's new movie the running man I think it's called and you know who runs in his content is Ashton Hall. So they tapped him, he's a guy of the moment. Also it's like a little bit past the moment where you'd call them for like a morning routine bit. If you saw a brand, if you saw like Walmart wanted to do a like morning routine out,

you'd be like, all right, just on time Walmart. But I've heard bad things about this commercial or whatever bit he did so can we pull that up have you I just gonna be your first time seeing it it will be my first time seeing it oh man I wish I wish you would have brain where I just saved myself yeah I wish you would have like hidden because I would have loved for you to just see what was wrong with this because that's how I was presented me It's almost like oh, yeah, I saw that so let's know so I haven't actually seen it. Okay

I wonder if favor got paid by the water company Saratoga Hey, there's the disembodied woman oh Power running man on this document. Yeah. Yep. It was on a schedule with me. It's up with one pal at 902 a.m. Yeah as always Weighted best I guess secret powder Like a post-workout drink? Probably, yeah. Probably something he's going to get ready to sell. We went from Instagram reels to the big screen.

What? That's great. Okay. So I heard that there was chicken and watermelon involved. I was not expecting it to be randomly shoehorned into the end. Yeah. So my big thought here is I think that our first... So y'all are the sad boys universe homies.

And our first foray into Ashton Hall was like, what was he doing? What is the thought? And there was like this idea floated that his content before the morning videos were just regular workout content. And he was doing regular trends. He was doing all of the TikTok trends. And then eventually he did this morning workout thing that blew up and it was because of its ridiculousness

that it blew up. And so I do think y'all were right in the sense that someone got involved, helped him market. And of that same outrage thing, they knew that the running stuff was getting old, that something, what's something new? Oh, what if he has this ridiculously racial meal that is not served in this theater? I don't think that they serve... Right, it's like, okay, there's a lot of things here, right? Okay, so first of all, the ad could have ended without this scene and it would have had the same effectiveness. So that's always a failure. This has to be purposeful rage bait because he posted it himself.

I thought it was, you know, like when I heard about this, I thought it was something that they set up for him, but I no longer think that because I, in what universe does the brand manager at whatever marketing firm suggest something like this? Because it doesn't have any connection. Well, I don't know what the Running Man movie is about. Can I talk to you about the movie? Yeah.

So this is actually based on a novel by Stephen King, a 1982 novel, and there was actually a 1987 film Yep. starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. And from it. I remember. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So The the remake is directed by Edgar Wright stars Glenn Powell Josh Brolin Coleman Domingo. I love him Lee pays you kind of is he one of those you Coleman Domingo, is that one of those fried chicken watermelon loving guys?

Yeah, well here's the thing. I love Edgar Wright, so I'm sure this is going to work out, but to me it's always funny when they're like, we're going to redo something we've done. And I'm like, there's like two missing dynamics of it where it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger was like the biggest, like to me, the version version of this if you were remaking it was gonna be like John Cena and like LeBron James or like a basketball player. Jesse the body Ventura was in the 80s 1987 movie. Yeah but he's bad. Yeah but I'm just saying like put a wrestler in there. 1987 movie. Yeah, but he's bad

Kevin Nash, he just told someone to shut their cracker ass up. It was so funny Okay, the premise is it's a game show called the running man that has people chased by murderous hunters across the world to win money It's a comedy. So where does the watermelon and chicken come in? It's not a thing. Well it's like the whole concept is this dystopian future where somebody is down on their luck and so it's like it's essentially... It's like Squid Game. Yeah, it's like Squid Game before Squid Game. So for me it's like once again Edgar Wright, you know, I love Edgar Wright.

He's one of my favorite directors. I'm up there with Ari I like Ari Aster. Obviously, Coogler is goaded. You know, so, but like. Is he one of those fried chicken and watermelon type films? Sorry, I'm just gonna do that about every black person we mention. So, yeah, so are you reading this in the sense

that this will give us context or are you just gonna? I didn't know anything about the movie. I just wanted to search in there. You didn't know about the first one? you didn't know about the first one? I didn't know about the first one. I did know that Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rodman were in a movie together. I didn't know what it was about. So, a lot of my observations. He obviously did this for RageBait, but at what cost? That is always the thing.

Well, that was my next thing was going to be like, I know that he was, they had to have been in a fight with the brand team. There's no- Well, I was going to say, do you care about pictures who is putting out Running Man? Yeah. How do you, are they mad about this? Oh, how many black people do you think

are on that marketing team? I think that- I know, but they hate controversy is the problem. No, but my issue, I don't think they're happy. I just don't think that- It's their place to tell him to say that. Yes, that and then also that it got flagged subconsciously to someone.

That would be my concern. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, like where they're like, I don't wanna call this out because maybe this is like a thing he does. But to me, I was like, as someone like, typically when you do something branded like this, especially with a big company like this they

Overseed like the final cut like you you show. Yes. Yeah But that's what I mean is just that like I think that they would say something if they had the Awareness. Yeah, but I actually just don't think that anyone in the room But I actually just don't think that anyone in the room Didn't it didn't click click in their head. It's not a clock to them that he was standing on business. Okay, sorry the other observation Here's the thing that should have clocked to them Why is Ashton Hall walking into an empty movie theater? Yeah empty movie theater to see our brand new movie It should be packed. It should be packed. Yeah

to see our brand new movie. It should be packed. It should be packed. He should have had his weight in line. Yeah. Well, because I'm sure like they were able to subvert those notes by being like, that's just the aesthetic. He always is alone in his ventures.

But like, yeah, it is like, because it's like, and here's what they probably responded, because Ashton Hall rents out the whole movie theater. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'm with that. I'm with that. I didn't...

I think that just the visual though still of a... Like I'm trying to dumb it down a little bit. The visual of an empty movie theater doesn't sell the experience of a movie to me. The other thing that is kind of funny to me, and maybe someone didn't flag fried chicken and watermelon as a potential marketing risk or brand risk but what surprised wasn't flagged is hey how about popcorn? Like a famously associated with movie treat. Also Glenn Powell was in this for one second. Well that is because Glenn Powell's a very busy man he's got to be in nine other movies. Longer than what he shows like give me a whole video with well

I'm probably well it's the well in the push-up thing Glenn Powell probably lasts longer than he does before he needs a break. He's like true. Yeah, he's cutting that off like to me the Glenn Powell stuff read to me is like I'm not I can't have Glenn Powell looking to look like I can hang with Glenn Powell for 10 seconds Trailer just the trailer? Yeah, he's just seeing the trailer. Oh, so he's going to watch something else. He's going to watch- He's going to annihilate that bowl of chicken and water.

He's actually at a showing for- In two minutes. Hope you're eating this with chicken and watermelon. Well, cause- The movie. Cause you saw how they did the, I think it was the dolphins kind of had Ashenhall to do, I stopped- I didn't see the Miami dolphins. kind of had Ashenhall do a, do I stopped.

The Miami Dolphins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't catch that. The other Dolphins like look up, um, Ashenhall draft announcement, like they, or, or season announcement and like he does the thing and he was working out in their facilities. But when I saw that one, I think that's when I felt sad because remember he tried to make it to the league and didn't. That is interesting. That is interesting. It was like, some may look at that as a win,

but if I got to hang out at my crush's bedroom. You get a tour. And then I leave, I think I wouldn't be excited about that. At the end of the day though, the thing I'll say about this is that Ashton Hall brought this upon himself because the effectiveness of the ad was not improved by the choice at the end.

Yeah, that's true. And it's another thing that it's like, it gets more awareness and engagement, but what it creates is a negative brand association, which is what no one wants. Who's paying money to get a thing. And by the way, who cares about people paying money to get a thing?

It's just a stupid thing for him to do. No, you're very right. Is it the Jaguars? Yes, yes, it's Jaguars. Morning routine, oh my God, we're still on this? Yeah, so this was this was what released a little Why I didn't send it to you like I normally do because I your die It's funny that they have the unbranded Saratoga. Yeah, because

Interesting see that's a little bit of a rage bait right that's not a special waterproof No, NFL players. That was a little bit of a rage bait right that's not a special waterproof. Yeah, no NFL players. That was a normal sock But he's like doing all the things that made people like yeah Great, which I like I kind of respect cuz he's like all these things You said I was dumb got me this and I'm like hey sure hey, I'll give respect where it's due It is funny that like yeah, he really isn't running that fast. He is first size. He's after watching the speed video.

I'm like, he is fast. Yeah. For his size, for sure. But I think definitely I'd love to know what his 40 is. Yeah. Oh, I think we have an old. Hello. Yeah, oh I think we have an old, he, I think we know his like college 40 time, which is like reasonably fast. Yeah. But it is a bummer that you tried to get into the NFL

and you end up just doing commercial for them. I think, and I'm not even just playing devil's advocate, I think that he's still getting paid, and you definitely don't turn down the job, and he showed up for work and did it. I'll give him his flowers for, you know. Also, you scroll down at the comments, and now I have to talk about my biggest pet peeve,

is I do really like, just like it annoys me when like people see someone like, like just is globally, like everyone's like, this guy's dumb, this is silly. And then when they, the brand deals naturally come around, they're like, see the haters, they were wrong. They were, I was like, no, like it doesn't make it less dumb just because you're like, to me like it doesn't make it less dumb. No, absolutely.

Just because you're like, to me, that's the problem with capitalism. It's like, but also I don't like, so this is, this is, I like to give the full disclosure in conversation, but since we're recording, this is like a like active premise that I'm doing a standup. Like we just need to be fine with like something being weird. Like, you know, like to me it's like, yeah, like I didn't like it. It wasn't for me. I don't care that he gets like money, like money for that. I'm happy.

Like, like I said, the whole time I was here, I was like black man, make money. To me, it's like funny to be like, and he's making money. I was like, and you're not in the comments. Like it's like, it's always just been silly. And I think that, you know, funny enough, this video is the one where it's like, all right, I think this, I would consider this a misstep, my friend.

Yeah. Let's go back to silly. Because commodifying like a racist trope. Yeah, you're gonna end up in the same boat as that dancing buff dude. Well, no, because that's the thing. It's like, what is this but commodifying a racist trope for a big brand? Yeah, and you didn't even need to do it

Yeah, like in so it kind of it my only gives like mmm. I don't want to say the c-word Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, you know definitely hanging out in Bloomberg but I like to me I wonder if because it always seems like he likes to like tag on stuff that people were like ragging on him for. And I wonder if in a earlier video he had chicken and watermelon, people were like, why are you eating that?

And so he's doing it in this big brand video, kind of in the same way he did the banana peel to be like a fuck you, where it's like, you thought I was dumb for doing this on my own, watch me do it with this big brand. So I would, I think, I think I might have solved it, cue the Death Note music, I wouldn't be surprised if we go back to one of his earlier videos

and he's eating chicken and watermelon. You think this is part of his lore, it's like a callback to his. Yeah, it's one of the, yeah, the same way he was like, I'm thinking 100 mil, you know, like everything. If it's a callback, I'm like, my first thing is like, does that change my opinion? Yeah.

And it's like, yes and no. I do think that if you're doing an ad like this, especially a lot of times, brands will boost it. And so you're gonna be getting a lot of eyeballs who have no idea why you've done that. And so you have to be prepared for it. Cause it's not always enough to say, no, no, no, this is like a callback from way back before.

Well, this is like an old like improv 101 thing where it's like, if you're gonna do something like this, make sure it's really, really funny and good. Like because you lose your audience and it's harder to get them back. And this was not worth it, I guess is what I'm saying. This feels like an improv when someone like makes a choice that they're trying to just,

they're not trying to build anything up, they're trying to cash in on a cheap joke, but it's so cheap that no one's laughing. Yeah, it loses your- I don't wanna know who's laughing, you know what I mean? Right, because in the big year of 2025, who's laughing at this?

Yeah, we don't want it. Do you want that audience, Ashton? Well, I think we cracked it. Yeah We saw that once again. Yeah, we saw great relations. We saw marketing we saw social media And we solved the princess treatment, I guess yeah Ify thanks so much for joining us We also have ify on our sad boys nights episode where we talked to us the Costco guys Which in many ways Ashton Hall is like the Costco guys except for instead of booms. He runs on treadmill

Yeah, and puts ice water on face booms are his steps on the yeah You have shows coming up, right? Yes. Yes Friday. No perfect. Yes, so Friday Yo, if you're watching from Chicago, I have shows all through the weekend, but the big show is going to be Monday night at the Lincoln Tuesday night at the Lincoln Lodge. That'll be all over social media. And then the next Sunday, I will be at Second City to and stand up with some friends in New York. So Chicago, New York, I'm coming to the city. Comedy Town. Coming through Comedy Town. Where can we follow you?

You can follow me on Ify Waddeway on Twitter and Instagram and you can follow me on ifycomedy.com on Blue Sky. And you can check out our Sad Boys nights on patreon.com slash sadboys where we chatted a bunch about various topics and it was a good time, grand old time. Ify, thanks so much for joining us. Oh, and also you can check me out and Ify, you can check me out on the season finale of Um, Actually.

You can check Ify out on the whole season. They let him be there the whole time. Yeah, they let me run the thing. And yeah, Ify, thanks so much for joining us. We end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And goodbye. Ooh, I like that.

That's his, that's the new Jordan. Yeah. Gucci girl, Gucci girl, how you doing? How you moving girl? Moving girl, how you feel? Look in that future girl, future girl, you having on now? Take my money, go away, all you want is,

girl too rich for me.