Sad Boyz - The Largest Scam In Twitch History

Episode Date: September 25, 2022

This week the boyz talk about being industry plants, weird commenters, and the Twitch scam of the ages. Listen To Us! Spotify ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/spotify Apple Podcasts ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/itunes Follow Us https://instagram.com/sadboyz https://twitter.com/sadboyz Follow Jordan https://twitter.com/jordanadika https://instagram.com/jordanadika Follow Jarvis https://twitter.com/jarvis https://instagram.com/jarvis Outro music @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank

dude you're so recording right now i don't want to make this awkward but i'm losing it you're like extremely recording i stg i'm recording welcome to sad boys a podcast about feelings and other things also i'm jarvis hello hey what's up i'm jordan as by the way don't tell no one i fully i did it's still surprising to me how every single time we record i forget that i do that i know i forget that i have a thing to say i uh i also we have to switch it so that i i can be the weird guy too yeah and i don't want to be i don't like that character of within myself that much um i'm trying to do less of it but that time legitimately i was it was

almost like i was listening to the podcast i do you know i can't wait to find out about modern events i have a pitch perfect recreation of the intro every single time so do you want to do mine as well no i was recording i was recording with um my friends isaiah and maria for their podcast baroque girls you can check that out on spotify and right when we started the pod they played their intro theme but like oh right right before we started recording so i wasn't expecting to like be sitting talking with my friends and then they're like all right let's begin and it's like welcome to baroque girls and podcasts and i i thought that they just said it each time like we do but no they had it pre-recorded and that was it caught me off guard it is funny how non-codified podcast production is still

yeah really is which i think is probably just a symptom of how small scale production is you can say the same about like any media made with fewer than five people like it's just true not generally workflows but uh i'm saying is this this as somebody that was you know doing audio fiction it's a project of like between actors and producing people and managers like 60 people and there was still i worked on a funny or am i allowed to say the company um i worked on a a funny or die show i mean like what are they gonna do like not work with you anymore yeah i continued to not want to work with each other uh i was uh worked on a funny or die show um because it was one of their first audio fictions and they wanted like a consulting producery person and the entire time it was just improv like beginning to land there was like

no systems in place i brought our workflow from atypical and kind of presented it and they sort of used that but they also had all their infrastructure from sketches and like many years of making stuff right and then by the end um our mutual friend evan ran the mix on that he uh didn't score but did a lot of the music sort of interstitially and did the final mix and ran the engineering on a lot of the recording. And it was, by the time the footage got to him, or the rushes got to him, it was just like, I don't know. It was like, so when do we want this by and by who

and where are we tracking this? It's like, not where I said. It's somewhere new. It's in a whole new, and i definitely won't say the other companies associated but there was definitely a lot of that like um and you probably probably had plenty of this as well that uh people giving notes because if they don't it feels weird it feels weird to be in an over they're like i need to earn my job by giving notes yeah my uncle gave me. I can't not work very hard.

Yeah. I don't want to put any brands on blast because I have active contracts going. But sometimes brand notes are just like, hey, could you remove an integral part of the piece here? I was like, I don't think so. No, I can't remove that. That's kind of important. And they're like, oh, okay. Well.

It's that oh, that that's kind of important and they're like oh okay well that's it's that oh okay that's strange every single time i've gotten for previous podcasts for current conversations anything feedback on something that i was confused by like i don't know what this note means i've said to i guess now now management but in the past just direct emails just been like um we're open to it but i'm not sure i really get what this means right this i can see it's legally a sentence but i don't know what it says and then they have just followed up and been like i don't worry about it yeah i was doing that to seem like i had something to contribute i was tapping that like middle predictive button and it just makes the sentence for you yeah um i'm like can i bring this up i got a note on something where there is a portal where a character is transported somewhere

and a portal opens and then he appears within it um and then the note was like i don't think we need the portal and i was like it we do because otherwise how do we communicate that he was transported via a portal what was that what was it getting in the way of it's like if you're getting rid of it yeah it's also like yeah like the alternative is oh just cut and he's there i'm like but then you don't know how like but why would he be there like what motivated him i mean shit man we can cut half of the whole thing yeah true we couldn't cut me out we could just play an ad from a different video we'd do anything yeah i've got premiere open right now

yeah it's like this and then there were other notes that are like super minor but required me like a refilm stuff and i was just like i was not late we did publish it on time but I felt bad fat for average because time difference being what it is between us right now I'm eight hours ahead of you and he's seven hours ahead of me mm-hmm none of us are ever alive alive in a time when you go to sleep we don't have object permanence when you go to sleep you die he's based in the 1910s yeah that's true we have to get him to like what sometimes he will throw in jokes in the videos that we have to explain are not really okay anymore you know and a lot of slurs that i've never heard before and i'm not really sure who they refer to. For Irish people, though. Yeah. Oh, okay. No, this is...

The most repressed of all. Yeah, this one's not a thing anymore. Sorry. We discount them as white people, though. Is that a stereotype, even? It's like, you know how Irish people are always picking up pens? You know, I don't know that, but you said it in a weirdly derogatory fashion so i think we should remove it definitely doesn't sound like the first time you've

had this conversation yeah there was hate in your heart and you were like upset that it got brought up again like again with these irish people picking up pins i could be off point i'm almost certain that you're Irish. That's like a pretty high chance, actually. But yeah, one of the notes we got back was like a valid note. They wanted us to include something that the deck said was optional. And logistically recording it where I'm living right now just wasn't possible. Yeah. Something about my living environment does not allow me to do the thing that they needed and so i had to go through a lot of rigmarole to make it happen they wanted you to do that an over

an overhead uh cooking shot yeah gordon ramsay's master It was weird. They wanted a feature film, which to me seems unreasonable. Right. As like a one hour, 13 minute video. It's like weird. Jordan just dropped a one hour, 43 minute video. And one and a half hours of that is a brand deal. Look, I like the new video just fine. But it's, you know, it's about to drop.

When I drop the video, check it out. I am. I apologize for the high concept sci-fi experimental film that runs for four and a half hours right there in the middle yeah but um i roast darman right after so yeah right after the kubrickian classic you're probably not gonna get that part yeah film school like me obviously uh yeah it's i mean it's cool and i i want to validate the notes they're not bad necessarily it's just like sometimes it

in any project once you hit like a kind of terminus it does feel like actually tech was like this as well like feedback on projects is especially at like an executive level I'm sure it just feels weird for somebody at the very top of a pretty

like a growing organization to just be like, that's okay. Yeah. Well done. Yeah. Also, exec feedback in a corporate context is usually like, I've had a few horror stories happen where the execs were not privy to what was going on. And then we're just like, oh, like, actually don't do the work that you did, that you spent the last three weeks on. Oh, fuck me, yeah. You know what I mean?

Or it's like, on second thought, no. And it's like, oh, well, it seems like maybe had you known about this three weeks ago you could have said that then um and like when we told you that would have been a good time to hear like when we told you and you were like sounds good yeah i won't have any notes on that um don't even and make sure not to flash back to this at some point yeah if only if only everything was a sitcom and you could just do a family guy style cutaway yeah that was the it turns out that all the work you did was like in oceans 11 when they're saying what they're going to do and then cuts back and they're like no that won't work that won't work um speaking of

notes from various sources oh you've got feedback for me i've got feedback for you no i did an interview recently um with colin and samir i'll say it uh great interview great guys it just came out today and one of the comments hurt my feelings a little bit um for a couple of reasons and i wanted to kind of in the interest of vulnerability, bring this up. I do not think it's there anymore. So maybe they... Is this just like a tweet? What's the context? No, no, no. So the context is they posted the YouTube interview.

Right. And this is a comment on that. And the comment is... Are you on the screen? Should I? No, I am not. I have to figure out where I put it. Here, let me first share my screen.

I just don't know where it is. I hear my squeaky chair, dude. Okay, can you see this? I can see it. Okay. So this person who will remain unnamed said, so this is, okay, so this is an interview about my creator journey, you know, going from like working in tech to like being a creator.

I get pretty vulnerable. I talk about sort of going through a depression. I talk about, you know, the difficulty and the push and pull of like doing something that used to be a passion and hobby for money and how that can kind of muddy the incentives and, you know, navigating that, which I, for me, I think is interesting for up and coming creators, which is kind of the point of the point of the interview to begin with. So this person says, I got to be honest. Jarvis is the least appealing of all the commentary YouTubers.

Already, this is a pretty wide sweeping statement of all of the commentary YouTubers. Okay. He's very low energy and the topics he covers are just extremely bland and overdone so that i don't think i'm low energy at all in my videos this is odd yeah is this really like like mad libs do they just find a commentary youtuber for a comment they already wrote yeah i don I don't know. Scott Kramer? I can't believe Scott Kramer crashed that car into that business. Right, right.

And then I get if, you know, they feel the topics are overdone. I think that there's a lot of overlap in some of the topics, but I don't think that, you know, I wouldn't as with a broad brush say that everything I've done is extremely bland and overdone. So this is very, you know, their own personal opinion. And then they said, I don't know. I'm confused why he's always being pushed by the platform and other creators when he just doesn't seem that good slash interesting and that's so that's interesting to me because it's like they have never encountered something in their life that they don't like yeah and they're like i don't understand why this gets to exist when i don't enjoy it sure i mean why would i mean these people, all these damn viewers getting tricked.

Because I believe you have 100% dislike ratio. Is that correct? Exactly. Yeah. And then, um, yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe, uh, I believe it's, uh, the overlords you've got on the inside as Haley, Haley's inside.

Well, yeah. So, so one thing that hurt my feelings is not this one person's like opinion that I think is a little misguided. It's that a lot of people seem to agree with it. It got a lot of likes on this person's post. And I'm like, okay. I don't claim to be the best or anything like that. I'm just trying to navigate my way through this business. You know what I mean? And then someone comes in the comments it goes low-key it's because he signed a retin links network and they're youtube's darlings and i'm like very low

key that's so low so now i'm an industry plant like i don't understand like i have five years before designing anything with them yeah it's like for one i'm not signed to their network they invested in the sad boys like production studio that helps like you know us do the podcast and like pay salaries of people who help us you know man that existed already yeah all of the stuff existed it's just more like greasing the wheels. And from my perspective, I thought it might be helpful to get insight from people who've been doing it for a long time, because they'd never done this before. And I took a risk and thought it would be interesting. But there's no secret cabal of getting in the good graces of youtube by

five years into your youtube career uh like collaborating with some old school youtubers you know what i mean the time to do it brother and that is this podcast also is an industry plant i've been meaning to suggest uh we started in 2017 and then took kind of a handful of breaks i'm like i don't know if i want to deceive the audience yet i don't know if i'm in the mood to uh to be pushed unfairly through the algorithm also there's to make comments like this you have to be extremely online obviously yeah it's volumes to the bubble that these people are in that they think that YouTube would give one shit. Just even,

I think a lot of people, uh, kind of have a lot of people will post their stat of like, Hey guys, don't forget to like, and subscribe. I've noticed that, uh,

54% of you are not subscribed in the show that stat. And it's cause they aren't logged in. People just don't, people get locked into the, the ecosystem and what everybody else is saying. And they don't really, a lot of just don't people get locked into the the ecosystem and what everybody else is saying and they don't really a lot of people don't have experiences of you know behind the scenes for systems like this but the number of times that both you and i i'm sure would get like tweets when we were at patreon or at least see feedback on things like, well, yeah, I mean, this creator is making,

they're making $8,000 a month because they're like friends with somebody that works there. Yeah, and we just know that that's not at all how any of this works. First of all, I don't know how I would even do it. Like, I don't know. That's just not how the platform works. Apart from stealing people's money, right?

Apart from just signing them up. Signing them up without telling them. And then also, what? So we can get 5% of that $8,000. I'm going to just put myself in huge legal jeopardy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you talking about? If YouTube's going gonna do this with any

creator it'll be with like jimmy fallon's youtube account right exactly shit about mythical compared to like you know deceiving their audience or pushing of the eight videos they get to put on a new user's non-logged in recommended yeah jarvis johnson is not one of them not because it's bad but because it isn't like a cat singing a song in a car it's yeah this the premise is so ridiculous to me because if anyone is youtube's darling it's like who you see when you go to youtube as a logged out user with no watch history and it's like mr beast videos and it's honestly mate you know what it isn't commentary youtube at all yeah any of it yeah the biggest it doesn't matter it's just not a priority it's honestly mate you know what it isn't commentary youtube at all yeah any of it yeah

the biggest it doesn't matter it's just not a priority it's like a blip yeah yeah and so that that was interesting to me because one it kind of invalidates everything i've done for the past five years um if anything i was more popping on youtube years ago. You know what I mean? Like, but the, yeah, yeah. So there's that. And then someone else chimed in at the very end with all he does is react to TikTok, which, you know, is reductive, right? Like it's, you know, TikTok being

the largest social media platform outside of youtube if you can even consider youtube a social media platform it's already reactive as a problem i mean how many tiktok accounts are there 200 300 yeah yeah and it's just like i think it's reductive to consider um tiktok as a just type of thing as it is like reflective of our culture right and i think the like um yeah i i genuinely do find like the um weird guys on tiktok interesting and this is also one channel of mine you know that's like where i talk about tiktok stuff a lot and not to include any of the other things that I've done. And not exclusively, not even close to exclusively. Yeah.

Yeah. And also react to TikTok is also reductive of the reactions themselves, right? Because you, you know, I think that my reactions have substance to them or have interesting insights to them, even when it's just like a little, you know, TikTok reaction. But all Charlie Kaufman does is write lines with a typewriter into a script. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So it was interesting because I definitely like have like I don't ever want to feel like I'm immune to criticism. And if anything, I'm, you know, the'm my biggest critic. So I think I often give more credence to bad faith criticism than I was it was interesting to me because i was like is

this now the narrative that like i'm an industry plant uh i i would like to think i'd be a lot more successful if i was an industry plant but you know go off i would love to be an industry that would be so easy yeah i know it'd be so nice um i mean if i was an industry plan i would get my bag in the first six months and then never make a video ever again. I would absolutely, I would become a millionaire and disappear. I'd have no interest.

But like, I am cautious because I definitely don't want to appear like, you know, I'm your friend, so I'm like a sycophant. I'm just like, hey man, fuck the, you know, the whatever. I think it's completely possible to give legitimate feedback. I think, as we pointed out the the perspective is like silly yeah they they don't have a very basic insight on how things like this work they are locked in a very specific bubble and don't realize

that there is a larger youtube ecosystem and industry outside of the things that they watch yeah but this is just another i don't know if this is the right term this is the only one i've ever been able to think of but my my phd thesis mr jarvis is about the most dangerous i'll be submitting this for approval it's about the most dangerous epidemic at play online right now and that is take poisoning it is important to people more important to people to have a take than have a good one right and a negative take is so much easier that's why like every every movie or game reviewer i loved growing up was the mean one or the edgy like uh you know angry video game nerding it or something right because that is an appealing noise it's more fun to hear shouting than to hear

hugging you know what i mean yeah the other aspect of this that is um kind of i guess people just don't get it is that the reason that my videos get views is because people click on them and watch them for a long time like it's it's pretty straightforward actually i'm curious when sorry let me just more i think about it so he doesn't squeak okay just all right it's just the boys now yeah it's just you and me austin you mean the audience but let's talk about the real shit okay now what do we think really happened to epstein oh what's up dude oh were you i'm not look i don't know i'm not really allowed to talk about it okay let's just say uh you might know something it sounds talking about my days with a little uh again i don't allowed to talk about it. Okay. Let's just say. It sounds like you might know something. Talking about my days with a little, again, I don't want to get into it because I'm shy,

but my time with a little team called Shmeal Shmeam Six. I'll just say that. That was the meal team kids? It was a super meal team. You created lunches for children? Yeah, i did yeah i made those bad small pizzas okay yeah that was my job yeah then i killed what that's funny it must be so frustrating to be the guy that killed osama and nobody nobody believes you i think that guy doesn't isn't he... Wait, are you talking about yourself or are you talking about the other guy

who claims that he killed Osama? Claims. Emphasize. I know, trust me, that it was not him. Okay, well. So, okay, so to be the guy who really did it must be really tough. In theory, yeah. It must be frustrating,

even though you have a public platform to not really be able to talk about it because of the deep state oh so but i will say thankfully if you in theory did you know do that um it makes you something of a youtube darling and they will promote your videos and allow you to to grow so wait now i now i feel like you might be accusing me of doing so oh come on i wouldn't man because i would never there's just no evidence is and i definitely wasn't there oh come on good luck proving it don't check yeah uh the last thing that's confusing me about the comment by the way is like okay so sure they're youtube darlings industry plant whatever so what's happening like what are they doing like what like method wise like if that was true you were the like like you were an industry

plan yeah how like that you aren't recommended for logged out first time users because that's definitely not that yeah yeah so so what is the thing that doing you know what i i know it's interesting because there are i lost my train of thought um wow really don't know what i was about to say um mondays oh it reminds me of a time that mkbhd posted a video where the video was about beats by dre headphones and he titled the video forgot about beats by dre and i said in a comment great title loo and someone in the comments in replies to me was talking about how big youtubers manipulate the algorithm by writing comments to other youtubers and that is taking away viewership from smaller creators i mean

that's the big thing first of all insane insane take but also make that that's actually um lethal poisoning level the take poison poisoning yeah it's uh manifesting in buboes it's warping their skin that's dangerous they need to be careful but there's like this is such a common thing where hey there's some big conspiracy going on okay fine whatever but the like the reason this stuff is bad in these people's minds is because youtube is a zero-sum game and if you watch it by manipulating that algorithm i'm not that's the reason there are smaller creators. As if like what we would want isn't for the person with a thousand subscribers to get a hundred thousand. Also, the people who I am getting compared to are bigger creators than me.

You know, so it's not like I'm doing. I mean, for now, you know what I mean? It's like, it's like like why aren't you focusing on these other much larger creators and i'm like everyone is yeah they're popular they're really you saw this comment yeah yeah like that i don't i don't understand like i'm it's so weird because it's not like i'm the most popular commentary creator i'm far from it and so it's kind of weird for someone to just be like, you know,

this guy's the least interesting of them. Maybe I am. Maybe that's why I'm less popular than all the other interesting ones. Yeah. That'd be my vote. It's just a weird thing. Yeah. I mean,

it's again. Yeah. It's easier to have that take than, than an interesting one. Right. And then, of course, it's like, you know, the all you have to do is do X, Y, Z. And it's like, well, be my guest. I did just remember I forgot.

I don't know if I sent it to you or not, but I've never really engaged with a Stan Twitter before, but somebody, I was discovered by Iggy Azalea Stan Twitter. Oh. And I stopped engaging. I like did one or two comments and I like, I just asked them who their favorite Power Ranger is and stuff like that. I think they got bored. I'm not fun to troll.

I realized that it tends to just go away because i i just i don't know i'm not patient enough uh like it's not even not rising to it it's more like i'm just not gonna read the thread you you said too many mean things summarize it into like weird teeth bitch that could really roast me uh but it was the way that this mean comment sparked off and and i'll just send it to you because for some reason i can't log into twitter on my computer oh mate where is it it made me so happy it made me chuckle uh okay while i here it is on screen right now for for the for the viewers um the way that this hate came to me was not from me doing anything i didn't i didn't literally had not said a word i didn't know who this was right who iggy azalea was who i barely knew who it was when i was

checking i was like is it the she to do like the Aquafina voice? She used to do Aquafina's old voice. You're not far off, yeah. That bothered people or something, right? Yeah. Very, like she's a Australian white rapper. Yeah, she's like a- Who raps like she's from the South. Like, she's like a southern atlanta like like i mean it shows how you know the culture is growing and growing because now we have australian wiggers it's awesome that's real

you're actually not allowed to say that oh no sorry i didn't mean we're gonna get banned from twitch yeah uh okay yeah so one of my mods was arguing with them i didn't even see what that argument was about but i was not referenced at any point but because again because these people are so chronically online that to them the you know uh emotes in your discord server custom emotes have the same like relevance and importance in life as like the name of my firstborn you know this shit is just like so important right they saw that this this person was one of my mods and so iggy yola replied to them in their quote tweet or whatever i see that you're oh wait i should do it in her voice right wait we should say that we should not say their yeah. Uh, yeah, let's call them Iggy Azalea, because it's the real her.

Um, this is a fan account of theirs. I see that you're a Jordan Adika mod, so let's do a little reality check. Iggy, 50 million sold records. Porked an Adika. Skull and then a casket. Iggy. That's because you died before you sold your records. I was planning on it before I go plan. Porked an Adika. Yeah, that's a good one. Iggy.

4 billion streams on Spotify. Jordan a dick. Oh, shit. Skull, another casket.ket iggy multi-millionaire flying dollar sign do you want to guess what uh flopton has that is the opposite of that and his i'm gonna guess skull emoji in a coffin dependent on subs skull oh that's a weird amount of insight that they tried to yeah i mean iggy's dependent on sales yeah no no iggy azalea no matter what is gonna sell 50 million records and that's why she's at the top of the charts right now currently to this day she's so relevant and everyone's to her music all the time that's why that's what was maybe the most remarkable about this

is like i don't know this is like somebody who's a stan of like the mask of zorro the movie from like 1999 or the third matrix movie the matrix revelations released in theaters jordan nadika subs depended on parents to be born yeah created by people oh and then of course Iggy yeah the Matrix Revelations created by hundreds of Hollywood people Jordan Adika created by two losers

by some couple of freaks number one hit billboard microphone and then me Adi kaka maybe my favorite skull casket casket casket casket ah dude you kind of replied to them was multiple times i've died so many i can't tell wait let me check was it an even or an odd number because that's me coming to life and dying oh right all right so like did they leave you alive wait what's that okay one two three four five six hey what's up guess who's back wait one two three four skulls yeah i guess net zero that's good to know um uh i don't have my reply but i genuinely i think the only thing

i replied to them was um are you under the impression that I thought I was more famous and successful than Iggy Azalea? That, remember, I have not been involved. Literally the first tweet about me. It's also just so funny that in that person's world, you're invalid if you're less successful than Iggy Azalea. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, that was the thing that was the thing the thing that i responded that upset them and i guess is what kicked off them being really their whole squad being pissed off was me saying not all of us can be like you iggy azalea fan account

yeah like what is also this is a thing it's just a tape for yeah to to like to identify yourself to define yourself by the success of someone else rather than your own individual accomplishments is already a self-own. The lack of success of someone else you don't watch via a mod. And guess what? I know Chandler. I'm aware of Chandler. We've DM'd. What's your comms with Iggy?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That damn industry plant, because she's always commenting if you keep commenting stuff you'll have 50 billion stream that's how it goes that's that's how i got to the top of the charts uh do you get a lot of what's the environment that you feel is like the meanest for you is the most meanness in youtube comments i think it's in it's in like i think the meanest is in indirects which i don't ever read but i sometimes get like tagged or something like that and then it'll be like someone just like saying that they don't like my videos or they think i'm really unfunny or something like that

and i'm like okay that's fine it's like so interesting that you felt it's worse that someone tagged me yeah yeah it's like because it's one thing if it's like a movie that you don't like but it's another thing if it's just like a person you know and you're like casting you know you're casting judgment on a person rather than their work um and not yeah that's not even the veil of like a production like i've said like man i hate epic rap battles you know saying like i hate lloyd and pete they're bad people they're bad people yeah it's interesting i mean it's certainly interesting i guess that you know quote unquote comes with the territory is what people would say like i want to clarify that i'm not like you know saying that these people should stop doing what

they're doing i just you know and think it's interesting right it is interesting yeah and i'm commenting on it for because this is a podcast about feelings where we like talk about this stuff hit the we host yeah we are jordan and javis so it's all you see how it's like kind of coming together yeah yeah yeah uh yeah but that was that was definitely that was the tone that i started this call on so i didn't want to bring down the vibe but i also wanted to kind of let you know where i was at i know i think i'm kind of low energy compared to some of those other commentary youtubers i've heard about that yeah despite being uh rent link purchased you in

places yeah the guy who can't finish his own joke without laughing is low energy like okay low effort i mean i really wish you made you should make like a you know elaborate high effort like high school musical review video instead of just watching tiktok or whatever i should actually um i should recreate squid game and then i'll be the most celebrated creator yeah you should play among us on stream has anybody done that yeah no that's actually kind of original yeah all right i fucking love those takes too i love the like especially when it's not your genre you know what i mean i've had like people comment jordan have you ever thought about like maybe you should

do i don't know oh no sometimes i'll put out like a tweet request or something and it's the most well-intentioned replies i know it is i know it's not hateful at all obviously but i'll say uh hey anything interesting maybe i should watch i'm looking specifically for stuff i can just do off the cuff tiktok i'll skip jubilee this week but you know something interesting maybe on youtube somebody will apply um have you watched the witcher do you want me to watch The Witcher on stream? Is that what the- It's like, yeah, you should do a review of Goodfellas. There's a Mr. Rogers documentary that I think you would vibe with. And I think I would love to hear your commentary takes on this heartfelt documentary about the life and times of one of America's sweethearts.

Nice cardigan, idiot. That's just me for an hour and a half. Why are you talking to your shoes, freak? That's not, that train isn't alive. Yeah, I mean, and also, let me just say, I know it comes from a place of love and you want me to talk about it. I think enough people have talked about The Room.

I'm going to make a video about The Room. Interesting, yeah. I haven't had one of those in a while, but yeah, The Room is for sure overdone. Have you seen The Room? I indeed have. Yeah, I'd say no need for a commentary video after a biopic movie has been made about something. Yeah, exactly. Once James Franco's involved.

I'm keeping my hands off the sizzle at that point. I don't want to get burned. Did you ever end up watching that? Yeah, I saw it. What did you think? I mean, I think it was fine. That's interesting. I don't remember it very much.

Well, because I did read the book, but just kind of sk skim through it like when it came out like i guess many years ago at this point and it it's interesting what that movie does in the pursuit of like making a movie not just what it omits or what it changes but it makes this like best buddy stepbrothers style friend narrative yeah that is just completely fictional like uh this and it characterizes you know like like tommy had this weird as you know like the kind of weird possessive relationship with a number of the cast members but just had like this almost like they were like puppets like owning them and their partners would come to set and he'd be uncomfortable with that and he just had this you know a very strange relationship

with people in general but especially staff and the cast and stuff like that and they kind of recontextualize it in that movie as like he's just a wacky guy and he likes the attention and um you know all he needs to do is be honest and maybe we'll hang out and we'll listen to him it's like no he was doing weird toxic kind of abusive yeah yeah i don't know it's hard to make a movie like that like how i guess just make a movie about freddie mercury and he just never does drugs yeah i do think that i mean i think i've thought about this on twitter before but i did go see the room um at the clay theater in san francisco and tommy y so was not only there but sat behind me and i did get to witness him laughing at every joke in the room that he had he made the movie but he just kept laughing at his own jokes the

whole time which i relate to i laugh at my own jokes as well if you don't what are you it's not a good joke true i do have some envy sometimes of people with like super dry delivery because it is the type that oh it's a type of comedy that makes me laugh a lot but it just so happens to not be my uber i just yeah can't play in that tempo it's just not in my bones i need to yeah i'm trying to figure out i don't know i i i want to spice things up maybe change things up experiment with some different styles but it is a chronic illness that i have that is laughing before i finish telling a joke which is something that i've had since i was in middle school in middle school. In middle school, I used to laugh even sooner before I finished telling a joke to the point where people, now I get the joke out and laugh. Before I would start the premise and laugh because I knew where it was going. And people would just look at me with blank stares

because I just started talking and then started laughing at myself. And that was very weird. And so what I did was I started biting my own tongue to prevent myself from laughing. Literally physically? Physically biting my own tongue so that I wouldn't laugh. And so that's something that maybe I'll have to bring back. I also want to try to cut out the ums and ahs. I know we've talked about this before, but it's something as a challenge to myself that i want to try i just want to become the peak peak performance peak male performance i don't know i had to join in there a peak top g alpha brain joe rogan experience dmt ox meat because if i'm perfect

everyone will love me and no one can criticize me. That's what the psyche says. And nothing can go wrong. Yeah. Any fear that something could go wrong at any point is right because you haven't perfected the craft yet. Exactly. Exactly. We know it's a meritocracy.

It is. Absolutely. Just kidding, guys. We're plants. big mythical big daddy ret big big mama link we're like a he's a fern and i'm a snake plant we're plants bitch that's a good another good name for the podcast we're plants bitch it's a snake plant i want to see what that is oh that's cute i like these yeah i have one um so you've seen you've probably seen the one in my apartment damn that's tasteful

let me have a little look at a fern oh okay i think i'm more of a fern with the hair these days yeah that's true and i'm kind of lanky and wobbly and imbalanced like a snake plant. There we go. And venomous. I, a lot of these topics that we have are kind of like, we don't need to talk about because I've kind of passed. I mean, I left some in from last time. Right, exactly. One thing I wanted to mention that was interesting is the intro to Jarvis Johnson Gold, which is a bit about the fact that it's my second channel and it's extra special for that reason

because fewer people are going to tune in to the channel than the main channel. So I called it Jarvis Johnson Gold because it was some sort of premium thing and i make a joke about how it's free and i do think that there are people who are kind of confused that it doesn't cost money which is interesting to me i think there are people legitimately who don't get it. So that's odd. I mean, again, this is the like, my brain always defaults to like how the product works,

which is not really that important. But the first place my brain goes is like, how? Using what? That's not what YouTube membership is. You can't have a YouTube channel that's not free. They kind of make you do that. And also, you're watching the video and hearing me say that. So, did you beg?

Do you think it's literally because it's got gold in the title as well? I don't know. I don't know. But it is, I think, I don't know if I talked about this on the podcast, but somebody complained talking about me in comments somebody was telling me that the whole uh premium viewer it's free thing is getting old and i was like you mean the intro to the like video like i don't know dude i don't know what to tell you it it got it takes 20 seconds of your time? Again, I'm not trying to be dismissive of this

kind of stuff, because I don't even mind a little roast here and there. I like a little roast. I like people being silly. There is a... When I see forced cynicism, which in this case is manifesting as a youtube comment but it can

be anything it can be i'm the hey i'm the guy that does edgy jokes or i'm the guy that uh i don't like i don't laugh i don't like anything i right all movies suck that that kind of personality type is of there have been iterations of jordan that i fucking hate that was that guy and so when i see that when i see that kind of comment i'm just like people aren't gonna like you because you're being inauthentic that's not cool it's people aren't gonna like you because you're the guy who always leaves the mean comment it's not cool to be like well hey bud uh this joke didn't land like okay what do you want do you the thing i have to remember is that i automatically don't relate to this person by virtue of the fact that they left a youtube comment which is not something that i do unless

it's in support of like a friend and then what the fuck with the algorithm or something oh right right to manipulate the algorithm to get to destroy marquez's career to siphon views from from smaller creators that's how that works for some reason but via via commenting on like one of the most prolific and successful creators on the platform for well over a decade by commenting on his video it takes views away from like a short film somebody posted right because i guess yeah i just don't understand i just don't get the logic but i suppose even if the logic was i'm commenting to get views on my channel going to marquez's very tech focused channel is not the place that i would go for that if you would think i would be like commenting on danny gonzalez's videos and going

well you think this guy's good check out my videos or whatever yeah with and i gotta say man like again this again this is me thinking my brain just going product mode but which is just after sicko mode it's how much click-through do you think you're getting on a youtube comment i do a really good youtube content i get 2 000 likes 50 people are clicking to my channel maybe 50 people i was even thinking a lower percentage than that it's yeah it's it kind of people don't understand that any given link anytime you're being propositioned to go to a secondary location online, the odds that someone clicks that are typically less than 1%. And sometimes a lot less than 1%, like orders of magnitude smaller than 1%. You could be- And that's like even assuming they do anything if they did

right saying literally you can count by clicks like the likelihood that they click your channel then cut that by a thousand percent down to the number of people that would then hit a video and then cut that down by a thousand percent of people that would then like click like and or subscribe it's yeah i'm personally i don't know i don't have any evidence to back this up and maybe i don't know if you use it or not or any the simple platforms i've always kind of assumed that stuff like linktree is a terrible idea i just adding a step of friction to i know i know i think um there is a utility to it which is like where else is this person?

Which I do kind of understand. Like if there's, if you need someone to go somewhere, a direct link is the best way. But as like a default utility of learning all the things that someone may be up to, I can see the utility there and like a link tree. And they must be working to some degree because there's like four different companies in that space so many versions of it yeah yeah yeah and they i think you're absolutely right that uh if you have a few goals and a few funnels you want to make uh also if a platform is going to kind of like silence a certain type of promotion i know that

if people want to promo their only fans for example as a instagram user you can get in shit for just having that link right whereas if you go to a link tree and then your fans league goes from there yeah exactly or yeah you get banned on certain platforms for linking to a venmo or something like that sure um I mean, if anybody ever wants an example of this, by the way, check out any follow-up tweet from a tweet that goes viral. Anytime somebody replies, I mean, especially of the account like you see somebody get a million likes on a tweet and they'll have like go from like 453 followers to like 489 followers because it's it's not just exposure that you've got to kind of create momentum in a story and a reason for someone to to click or there's got gotta be a utility or there's already gotta be an audience that wants the thing. Like if I post a video on Twitter,

I'm not trying to go viral, I'm actually trying to provide a utility to the people who follow me and aren't in the other places or aren't getting notified by YouTube, et cetera, et cetera. So, and that's why I can simply post the thumbnail and post the link later because people are like, oh, I need to go. I know where, I already know where to get this. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And also social media, especially something like Twitter, it's entertainment for the publisher as well. It's fun for me to use Twitter. And if I'm more active and I reward people for following me, then I get to do more fun, stupid shit. If I post a bad joke and I've been engaging with people because I'm posting content, then more people see my bad joke. I don't know. It's such a – I really think people overestimate how much any social media will affect a YouTube video. Yeah.

There is truly, you have a significantly larger following on Twitter than I do. And I, a video of yours is not going to make it or not make it because you tweeted about it. It just doesn't. Right, exactly. Like it doesn't matter in that way. It just doesn't. The only thing that, the only other thing it can do is if I do like a doesn't matter in that way it does it just doesn't the only thing that the only other thing it can do is if i do like a collab or something like that then it can seed

a small audience that will then tell the youtube algorithm that people who are interested in your stuff may want to be recommended this thing as well like it can nudge in that way but the video ultimately has to like live on its own merits because it's just outside of paying for views which is excruciatingly expensive you can't just force a video to go viral my very first youtube video i get my very first youtube video i um sent it to all my friends i posted it on reddit for some reason i paid for i paid for views like in the ad like youtube ads excuse me i paid for um youtube like like ads so that it would like show in pre-rolls or whatever and people would get recommended the video and the sponsor card or whatever and all of that probably i spent like a

hundred dollars or more um i got a thousand views with all of that pulling out every stop and and that was because i wanted to hit the 1000 view threshold because i was oh, it'll be embarrassing if this gets like 300 views or something like that. I don't know why. I was thinking. But yeah, it was like really – like I remember when I was turning every – pulling every single lever that I could to try and get any views on my videos. And there was nothing i could do there was nothing i could do other than like trust the algorithm um and just make content that people were going to click on and watch for a long time and it took a while for that momentum to build yeah i've always been very nervous about um

be it as like consulting work which is its own kind of thing but like you know people wanting to but i mean i guess when i was working at patreon specifically patreon consulting stuff people being like how do i grow my my channel how growth works because frustratingly it is every every single use case is different and it is a huge amount of it is luck huge so much so that it is almost completely pointless that we've put 20 hours into perfecting this like slideshow breaking down the best way to promote it's it's personally i kind of like it but that's because i don't make video essays and i don't lose thousands of dollars of my time if i if my video goes out and it kind of underperforms and they always climb to you know 120 or whatever they was even if it does really badly it gets there i there it is like very

i'm in a very privileged position where that's like not as scary if a video underperforms because i know i can release another one not not super duper long yeah plus the company just allows me to do that i'm like very consistent i'm not in danger generally you know if i uh drop a bad jubilee take or whatever um this guy just reacts to jubilee what's the deal this guy just watches stuff and says things this guy's just i did straight up get a uh i wish i'd taken a photo of it i loved it it cracked me up so much i'm sure i've got a screenshot i need to print it out put it on my wall somebody was like they watched one of the I wish I'd taken a photo of it. I loved it. It cracked me up so much. I'm sure I've got a screenshot. I need to print it out, put it on my wall.

Somebody was like, they watched one of the Reddit videos, and they were like, there's so much reading in this. That's funny. If you add an A to the title of Reddit, that's what it is. Yeah. In fact, it's almost based on that idea. I read it on Reddit. That was on is. Yeah. In fact, it's almost based on that idea. I read it on Reddit. That was on purpose.

Yeah. I think maybe you don't like my videos. This comedian? You might not enjoy me. This comedian tells so many stories. What is that about? Blah, blah, blah. When is he going to teach me calculus?

Something of value. I'm not learning anything. Yeah, yeah. Oh, your life, your life. When are you going to ask me something? Yeah, yeah. oh your life your life when you're gonna ask me something yeah yeah um tom segura yeah mike for biglia we've heard enough about your falling asleep thing yeah sorry you're so damn sleepy this guy just talks about how sleepy he is and pizza if you ask for advice i'll help. Everybody here tried melatonin?

Yeah, Mike from Viglia. I'm going to replace the straight jacket that you have to sleep in. Because I think you haven't heard of a little thing called melatonin. Hey, pal. Maybe take a couple antihistamine. Then maybe you'll sleep a little better. What? Somebody gave me some, like, unsolicited. Oh, oh, this is a response to a sablis episode it was the episode about the break-in

and somebody was like you should have uh you should have checked their phone to make sure they weren't lying about this and you should have also done this other thing and i'm like i agree with you but also i wasn't in my completely lucid mind following someone having to aggressively shepherd someone out of my home you know what i mean like i was kind of in a little fight or flight moment i didn't have the presence of mind to like pull out all the stops of uh i mean i yeah but that's almost on the pale of like um you know, if you were getting mugged, you should have used logic and discourse to calm them down. And actually, they give you money. It's like, okay, yeah.

But if they are mental, then I don't want to touch them and try and get their phone, do I? Right, right. Because if they're lying and I ask them to give me their phone, they're going to throttle me to death. So I'm just going to get them to go away and i'm gonna move yeah exactly yeah so it was it's interesting you know it's like people will backseat anything people i should have even backseat you break in yeah i would have used my judo i would have used my training yeah that's the thing i get frustrated with on twitch sometimes when I'm playing a game because I feel the need to explain. I know that I'm doing something wrong.

I'm just not perfect at executing everything that's in my head. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I know I should have dodged that attack. It's just that the electric signals going from my brain to my hands didn't communicate quickly enough. Yeah. I feel like I would go insane if I was into fighting games. Sorry, I am into fighting games, but professionally or on stream. Imagine the amount of fucking FGC Andes that are watching Hbox play and just be like, that wasn't frame perfect.

Yeah. He knows. he wants to be playing for 16 hours every time i watch a smash tournament the twitch chat makes me want to like strangle a child because it's always like this player's washed this player's so bad i'm like they lost one game they missed one tech they like and then oh they haven't not been in top 16 since like video games were made yeah yeah yeah exactly like mk leo recently placed ninth in the most um stacked tournament probably ever in ultimate's history and it's his first uh placement outside of top eight in three years he is the most dominant player to ever play the game um and people are

like he's watched and i'm like well they're and then and then if you give any explanation no johns you know like oh the sun was in my eyes yeah yeah there's no that doesn't matter you know just win just don't give excuses when you lose and it's like he's not even giving excuses but yeah he's just still playing yeah he's just continuing to play yeah like daigo daigo's washed i bet how many times you think that happened in his like 30 year fgc career dude daigo doesn't know about twitter thank god that's how he's still that's how he's still competing everything at daigo i think of like ryu i think of him like going into the mountains and training and coming out only for the street fighter tournament and

going back um that's the dream man that's also how i picture like curtis making videos yeah it's a video and then goes back to the canadian wilderness i That's also how I picture, like, Curtis making videos. Yeah. He shoots a video and then goes back to the Canadian wilderness. I don't know how he's, like, he just put out a video today, but he's also, like, on tour. I'm like, how are you doing this? Impressive. Well, look, I don't want to be a hater, but he's in the pocket of big YouTube. Forgot about that.

He's a plant, actually. Forgot about that he's a plant actually forgot about that well yeah i mean for context for people curtis is not big enough for youtube to bother invest like yeah that to be the result of a plant curtis danny drew none of it you may love commentary youtube but youtube's uh internal time as far as just like farming non-blogged in, half-engaged viewers, is better off just promoting a new song more. Yeah. Just pushing that more.

Or like another Minecraft video, dude. It's like Minecraft had like a trillion views or something like that. They literally would destroy our entire genre for a successful enough let's player yeah just delete it from the platform oh yeah sure this markiplier guy he just kind of like plays scary games and screams what's that about just yells man yeah what's that about markiplier doesn't make any music yeah he doesn't teach me calculus at all i don't know i don't know mark and i don't i don't have any evidence of he's a good guy bad guy i don't i don't know i don't know mark and i don't i don't have any evidence of he's a good guy bad guy i don't i don't know but i do really appreciate how candid he is about his income oh yeah i i have

met him actually and he's a class act he's a very cool dude um that's the good stuff yeah uh not to flex or anything but but he i asked him for some money and he said no yeah oh speaking of should we talk oh yeah the twitch uh drama yeah let's do it um slinky rick or whatever his name is it's slicker i think yeah it's like slinky rick pickle rick it's It's Slicklerick, guys. Not so slick after all. He turned himself into a skimmer. This is actually like, a quite sad story, I think. But there's also interesting takes that are... Let me write this down.

Honestly, it's the stuff around him that I find the most interesting. I think. So for context. So for context, there is a streamer on Twitch named It's Slicker. He's been around for years, I believe as you know, played various games, et cetera, recently has come under fire as it has been revealed that there is a extremely large amount of instances of him asking fellow streamers and fans for money via trust scams like, hey, my bank account is locked. Can you please help me out? I just need to get a minimum balance so that I can use my funds. I'll pay you back in a few months.

That type of scam at scale. Like he has scammed everybody from the moderators of his Twitch channel. To some of the largest streamers on the platform. The Usain Bolt of this behavior. The GOAT of... I'm sorry. I'm just checking the stats again because i almost couldn't believe them i think trainwreck alone gave him like a hundred grand yeah trainwrecks gave him a hundred thousand dollars to i think pay people back and he gambled so what he did with the money is that he gambled it so i think that ludwig said that there's a copy zilla video coming out

where he's going to tabulate everything but the number is like close to 300 grand where he has just gambled it all away in an attempt to pay people back and every time that he would get a balance of zero he would go to another person and try to get some more money that he could hopefully gamble and win big so that he could pay everyone back and he had already prior to making these requests and and requesting soliciting people to get that money he had already just gambled away all of his twitch earnings to date yeah which is it's a sad story um the people who are scammed you know it's a horrible thing because you're abusing someone's trust you're abusing friendships and relationships at least one streamer gave him 27 000 other than trainwrecks because like

trainwrecks you assume he's got it like that because he's like gambling millions of dollars all the time but to scam fans and it's just wild and the moral of the story is how dangerous of an addiction gambling is you know gambling being so famously a vice so famously a very horrible vice but also so profitable that it can afford to buy off some of the biggest names in the entertainment industry a la yeah drake a la godzilla which is one of the biggest or actually i don't even know i've heard of people getting demonetized for saying the name so actually we should not say the name of the gambling site uh i'll dub it over um put put these names over instead um uh uh godzilla Godzilla King Kong and so he has come out I'll just throw out

the moral of the story and I'm sure we'll get into this a little more should be a treatise on how dangerous gambling is so dangerous so that it is banned kids can't do it it is banned. Right?

Kids can't do it. It's banned in many, many countries. It's extremely regulated in the United States. It's more regulated than opiates. That's true. You know what I mean? But anyway, I know we'll touch on it, but there are kind of a shocking number of takes that are not gambling is dangerous.

It's just, this is a bad person only. Anyway, sorry to interrupt, but yeah. No, no, no, absolutely. Like, I think that what's really interesting is, so a lot of the streamers, so in terms of making things good, I believe that, I don't know what the resolution on this is but i know xqc propositioned train wrecks that they could go 50 50 on paying everyone back so that was a big that was a big thing and a lot of people are talking about the dangers of gambling. I've seen some takes that are we're letting this guy off the hook for being a scammer. He scammed X, Y, and Z person.

And by focusing on gambling as an umbrella, we're not holding the individual accountable for his individual actions. You know, tons of people gamble all the time and it's not, and they don't take things to this extent. And I wanted to talk about that because I, I've seen takes that say that it's enabling him to pay back his debts and having him not face the ultimate consequences of it. And I'm like, what do you mean the ultimate consequences? Because there are stats that say a quarter of people with gambling addictions, you know, commit self-delete, you know? And I don't know, like that's a metric

that's thrown around a lot. And I admittedly do not know the source of it but i do know that this type of addiction can ruin can ruin lives and i have a personal experience with it uh with someone in my family and so i think that he's being personally i think he's being held plenty accountable because we're talking about the largest twitch scam of all time and it's going to severely impact his relationships and career moving forward i mean the truth is is that people don't actually want a people that are saying uh because what okay what is it that you do want to happen then? Is it that you think what would be more just is if he pays everyone back?

Because that can't. Because he can't do that. Yeah. Ever. Yes. So what you're saying is you would rather the people who, in some case, I don't know how many people were like left destitute, but certainly the fans and the like need that money. Yeah. That is important.

It was a lend. It wasn't like a give. You know what I mean? Yeah. So what they're saying is, I'd rather all of those people never ever get their money back on the principle of teaching him a lesson,

of getting their little bit of catharsis that's what they want right they love crime and punishment they love a good story they want to see like the death penalty shouldn't exist unless i really hate someone it's that the exact kind of mindset that just uh throws all principle out the window the moment that the the person commenting on it is upset i mean like how many times have you seen uh this person's done something very lightly objectionable i really think that they should be fired from their job actually yeah that's what i've discovered i'm not talking about somebody going on a racial epithet i'm talking about somebody uh making an offhand insensitive comment as a like teacher or like not like yeah or like in

the past a long time ago oh yeah like like 10 years prior and then pulling them off of like a project that they care about or was important or it's just not because the value there sorry to people that enjoy that it is it's blood sport what you enjoy i agree i agree with that i think um the thing and let me know if this is a bad analogy but it seems kind of like if if someone was like scrape like a light injury let's say i don't want to make this too bloody but like imagine that like 10 people were like scraped by a guy, by Wolverine. And they're like, ow. He loves doing that.

They're like, Wolverine cut me. Ouchies. And a court of law would say, hey, Wolverine needs to pay these people back. But in the meantime, are we not supposed to tend to the people who are harmed the victims like he has to stitch they actually have to keep bleeding unless he stitches them yeah that's that's what doesn't make any sense to me because clearly i think that this person should be treated like like again i don't know what consequences they should face. They should probably be banned from Twitch. They should, you know, I don't know if there's any sort of criminal like case that's going to come out of this, but at the end of the day, people were harmed. And it seems kind of weird to say that,

you know, you shouldn't make, you shouldn't try to make those people whole, especially when some of those people are like less fortunate and we're just trying to do a good deed. And we're, you know, told lies about someone's family being in the hospital or something, you know, some sort of extreme, extreme cases. So it just. And this is not a Ponzi scheme or an MLM scheme where we, you know know we're letting someone off so that they can go right away on their yacht he is broke the he lost and that's i mean and that's where like uh i think when you look at the way that people internalize uh uh addiction and that kind of you know destructive othering and draconian approach to punishment and and the cases when that tends to happen the most it's always with addictions that people can relate to

the most it is always with things that they think they have the willpower to have gotten out of yeah it's like well um i've never tried to do crack. So like I can relate to not doing crack. It's so easy. Why has that been difficult for you? Or, I mean, commonly, I mean, who is the most hated of all addicts? It's alcoholics. Yeah, yeah. Across the board.

And that's because most people drink. Most people drink alcohol and don't get addicted to alcohol and so the thing that goes through their brain is well i could just stop drinking so like do that stop being like selfish and just choosing to drink yeah if you are doing if you're exhibiting a behavior that's like leaving you destitute miserable alone in many cases uh with nowhere to live it's not something you enjoy right that's not fun it's like when you walk somebody past somebody on the street and and an unhoused person and you hear someone say like oh just lazy try getting a job hey being homeless is worse than not worse than having a job. I don't love having to do work, but I like it a lot more than being unhoused.

Clearly, there's a third thing getting in the way there that we're not accounting for. Right, exactly. In this case, yeah, what is the satisfaction you want exactly other than the people being paid back and i don't know it they treat it almost like karmically like he hasn't atoned he hasn't um done the whipping on his back and said the hail marys and right yeah and i just don't think that that that's kind of a separate issue to like in the meantime yeah you know there's people over here who are victims and i and then i guess he can pay xqc and train rates back then yeah what difference you know what difference does it make yeah yeah exactly so that's so it's it's it it spurred this um dialogue on twitch to kind of get Twitch to ban gambling on the platform, which is interesting because

I'm curious to see what Twitch does. There are a lot of cynical takes that say Twitch won't do anything because there's too much money to gain from these types of deals. But I don't know. I think that this is a great example of protest, you know, or at least calling to action, calling a company to account for a lapse in their, you know, judgment when it comes to guidelines and highlighting the real risks that come with that. Because I just, yeah, it's, you know, I do understand some people are like, well, why ruin gamble, people who can enjoy gambling responsibly

just because of someone's actions. But it just feels like given a large enough sample size, would you wanna be enabling of people becoming addicted to i i don't agree with the comparisons to alcohol when it comes to like the slippery slope because sure yeah because alcohol is regulated in america like there is like like and um gambling and it's there's there's consumption like it's not as though the more gambling you do the more gambling addiction you get yeah it's not as it can be a single gambling experience that is like the trigger it could be doing it consistently

it's not like uh one big night of drinking just made me an alcoholic yeah Yeah. And it's not like these, I think I lost my train of thought, but. Oh, sorry. No, no, no. A lot of, but the fact of the matter is that a lot of the gambling that happens on Twitch is in this gray area where, you know,

it's websites that like young kids could sign up for where they don't check your ID until you're trying to pull money out of them. Or they're not based in the US and so they're not regulated the same way that they would be if it was like somebody live streaming from like a vegas casino and i think that maybe i'm not putting good enough words to like why those things are different but i do think twitch i mean also i don't think that excessive drinking should be like celebrated on stream i just don't see that excessive drinking should be celebrated on stream.

I just don't see that as a... And which they're actually pretty good. One of the few pieces of TOS that I kind of like in the case of Twitch is they are quite balanced about inebriates and stuff. When it comes to you can drink drink do not glorify binge drinking right you can you can like smoke a vape but don't be explicit about what's in it and do it constantly like like be try and reflect what the real world is like basically without in the same way that if you play a video game and some tits appear on screen briefly, they understand that that's not your fault, that the world has nudity in it. We need to be... And yeah, I mean, obviously Twitch is mostly complete dog shit with that. I think if they wanted to, Twitch could absolutely survive

this. I think they... Obviously they'll survive it, they're a monopoly, but they... Well, I mean, I tiktok's taken over i was gonna say youtube gaming actually i think but just as far as like yeah this controversy is it's it's us talking about it it's nobody that like really no kids are leaving the platform because yeah none of the biggest streamers are leaving the platform because of it, et cetera, et cetera. I think honestly, like, I think it would be wise to do something because this is not the first, nor will it be the last time that gambling has been a big controversy

associated with that platform. I think if now I am not an advocate for banning hot tub streams to be clear, but I think if hot tub streams kept coming back into the news cycle, they would ban hot tub streams. But because it only happened the once and they just weathered that storm, they now no longer have to engage with that yeah this is like it's like clockwork the number of time we get some story of somebody manipulating oh but this is like different from from you know csgo dramas for example right right because that's that was specifically that is more like a ponzi scheme that's stealing right um did you hear uh slicker talk about his how he started gateway CSGO. And that's something that I actually, so I have to go in five minutes. I have a meeting. But one thing that I wanted to maybe end on is a friend of mine and friend of the show, 24 Frames of Nick, posted about his own experience with

gambling, to which he was, I think a lot of people go oh well the people who are streaming gambling they're all saying don't gamble but it kind of feels like reverse psychology a little bit but also a more concrete example of this is nick who very um nick who very bravely shared his own story with addiction, I did kind of want to read. So he posted a twit longer on Twitter called My Gambling Addiction. He said, seeing everyone recently talk about the ills of gambling, I feel it's best I present my own issue and personal struggle with gambling. I discovered online gambling on Godzilla last year in May from Twitch streamers that I'm still a massive fan of and still watch every day. Last year I was doing very well. My YouTube was paying me very well for my size and I made a lot of great investments. I had $20,000 in my bank account and nearly $40,000 invested. But then I discovered online gambling. I started small and won big. I won $40,000.

This was amazing to me and I thought it was nearly too good to be true. That same day, I lost it. I lost it very, very fast. And then I pulled more money out of my bank account to chase that loss until my bank account itself reached zero then i started to touch my investments losing all of it in the span of three days and for the next year up until recently i nearly ruined my life every single cent i earned from youtube i put right back into gambling every sponsor and adsense and and everything i used to gamble and chase my losses. I then applied for credit cards, multiple. And at this current time of my life,

they're maxed out, leaving me with over $50,000 in debt. In just one year alone, I gambled around $250,000. I only just now stopped online gambling because I deleted the account that I used on the site. I'm in a fortunate position. I make good money when I work hard and I enjoy what I do very much. But even someone in my fortunate position pushed their addiction to the point where it almost became impossible to live. My account would be negative thousands of dollars each month in order to sustain my gambling desire. I would withdraw money I didn't have and any money I was making barely mattered because I would lose it the second I earned it by putting all of it into a very easily accessible website. It hurt the relationships around me with my friends and

my family and put me into a massive depression. Currently, I am still in debt and one day see a future where I can work hard to better myself and pull myself out of it. But many people will not be able to. Many people will do this very thing to themselves no matter what position they're in. Whether they are fortunate or not, they will ruin their lives and go into debt all because of a website that is a click away. I just want to say that the streamers who showed me the site, I still watch their gambling and have even tried interacting with them about it because my addiction just wanted to justify itself like it was some fun, cool thing because I was someone who was making good money to afford it. But I can't anymore. I ruin myself and many people

will continue to ruin themselves just like me. I never get personal about my own life or anything, but I just wanted to share that even given people like me who have become fortunate can end up in a cycle of gambling without any sense of an end in sight. I do not blame the streamers for my own adult mistake, but I strongly encourage anyone who knows of the site's existence to never touch it or delete any account they might have. Gambling is a plague and I hope anyone currently struggling with an addiction like mine stops immediately. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I just wanted to share that because it, you know, the only victim other than like Nick's loved ones, the only financial victim is his own himself. But still, like, it's he very well illustrates the pipeline of deepening and deepening yourself in i can just win it back i can just win back big and everything will be fine and making good money but then like well it doesn't matter if you just spend the extra money that you're also making right that's a really i mean

it's insightful i appreciate that did you make a video you say or just the twit longer just the twit longer and um unfortunately i do have to run um so this is kind of a bit of a very curt way to end sad boys but we end every episode of sad boys with a particular phrase wait sorry yes i just quickly throw out uh pen pals we i think it's probably worth doing a whole pen pals dedicated episode at some point because we got a lot of really nice stuff in but we can always have more sad boys pod at gmail.com if you want to send in a letter or uh advice question etc yes in fact we would we love you and we're sorry we would have done pen pals today but i had to run so my apologies there okay all's okay. All right. Bye.

Love you. Sorry. Bye. Boom. Gucci girl. Gucci girl. How you doing? How you moving girl?

Moving girl. How she dead looking? That future girl. Future girl. Yeah, we on now. Take my money. Go away. All you wanted.

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