Sad Boyz - The TikTok Engagement Ring Debate

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

Sad Boyz discuss the newest on Chiitan (Japan's Crazy Mascot), and the wild discourse on TikTok's "Ring Gate" was it theft, or extortion? New Sad Boyz MERCH! Check out our new FREE Magic The Gathering segment "Magic Moment" or watch 70+ bonus episodes of Nightz for only $5/mo at: https://patreon.com/sadboyz Join our Discord ▸ https://discord.gg/Hw82Dhun4m P.O. Box ▸ 3108 Glendale Blvd Suite 540, Los Angeles CA 90039 Play Sad Boyz BINGO ▸ https://sadboyzpod.com/bingo Write To Us ▸ [e-mail] Use the subject line "Pen Palz" and we could read it on the next episode! Our Links ▸ https://linktr.ee/sadboyzpod 🎶outro music🎶 @prod.typhoon & @ysoblank 00:00:00 Welcome To Sad Boyz! 00:00:38 Chiitan, Japan's Crazy Mascot 00:12:58 How's it going? 00:20:04 G4 Clips 00:41:29 Magic Moment 00:42:32 Ring Gate 01:55:57 Sad Boyz Nightz This episode was recorded August 28, 2024 Produced & Edited by Jacob Skoda

Hey, before this episode starts, I wanted to just give a quick follow-up to the Cody Coe episode that we did. We pledged all of the revenue from that episode to RAINN, which is an organization that deals with victims of sexual violence. And just for transparency, I wanted to note that we have donated a little over $5,700 there. It's easy to promise, but we didn't want to just let it come to us. Yeah, I just wanted to close out loop for transparency, but also wanted to mention it before we jump into

this episode. So enjoy. Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. I discovered something really jacked up yesterday. Oh no. Oh, Chitan, national ambassador for Japanese tourism. Hi. Beloved, beloved Chitan doing goofy, silly, whimsical little activities to, I guess, just generally promote the idea of Japan. Correct. What animal do you think Chitan is? I was thinking I was going to give three answers and they're all kind of all over the place.

Okay. I was like weasel, mouse, bear. Those are the three. All of that lands. You know, I'm trying to triangulate. Weasel and rat actually have been kind of ruined by the mafia as terms. Right. If it doesn't make me a little rat.

You're trying to weasel out or something huh yeah bear could be kind of a plushy yeah like a little tiny cutesy bear yeah would it be so messed up if i told you that she turned as an otter oh there we go uh yeah actually he's a zero year old fairy baby what the hell yeah excuse me you're such a fucking idiot that's a turtle what's going on he wears a turtle oh i didn't even think about i just thought it was kind of makes sense though now that i think about it he's an otter and that does bring into some i i love those little guys otters maybe? Maybe my favorite ever. I do like otters. They're very fun. Yeah. I like that so much of their life is spent on what they think is work.

I like when animals think they have jobs. They hold hands. They play with cups. I love these little dudes. I haven't seen them play with cups. What do they do with cups? There's like a classic clip of an otter playing with, you know, like taking different sizes of cups, putting them together in a little game.

Doing competitive cup stacking. He's crushing it, dude. He's doing the cup song. Yeah, right. They actually based it off of an otter.'s really impressive it's actually appropriation uh but they do anakin should be ashamed actually you're right uh but there is a uh a viral clip from many moons ago i think at this point where it's an otter playing with like stacking cups and they'll unstack them and throw the back of the water and the otter will cut them up and at one point one of the zookeepers throws a uh improperly stacked set where one of the bigger ones is in the other

one and the otter starts doing it realizes they're improperly stacked and looks at the woman oh yeah it's just like excuse him why he speaks if you can believe it yeah he does speak he says i'm japanese it's funny that you uh mentioned chitan because i've also been thinking of chitan lately japan's crazy mascot uh some people that don't know yeah it's just a mascot that does slapstick primarily does slapstick and the reason that i think everybody's talking about it is because we're some of the last people that still use X, the everything app. Oh, what do people use for everything? Yeah, I don't know. Groceries. They use like an individual thing for everything.

Everyone's left X as like an advertiser because every day Elon comes up with some new, like he just like lost the entire country of Brazil. Where did I put it? Yeah. Oh, bugger. uh all the advertisers leave and then every day i see a tweet that goes you know coca-cola and apple used to advertise on this app and it'll be like elon posting a ai image of himself like in in in doing something ridiculous i don't even want to say like a bitcoin collab with snoop dogg or something yeah i don't even want to say the things i've actually seen because i'm afraid we might get demonetized

but uh but that's because youtube's the nothing app yeah youtube's the nothing app i the one thing that brings a smile to my face it brightens my day every single time is an ad that presumably is paid for by like uh the japan tourism board or something that to promote to promote chitan and it goes hi i'm chitan japan's crazy mascot and it's him like suplexing somebody or like using a flamethrower like a chainsaw on something see that's what that is what the everything app's lack of censorship allows us to see it's a violent zero-year-old fate fairy baby otter doing uh like a stone cold stunner on like the president exactly that's what i want and uh chiton's ready to give the people what they want and that's why i was alerted in our podcast group

chat that chiton was streaming on tiktok hell yeah and I screen recorded some of it. Oh, really? Yeah, and so I want to show you guys some of this. It does feel like the guy behind the camera is like, Domo arigato. No worries, Chiton. Thank you, Chiton.

What is the iPad for? That's not where they're streaming from. I think it's where Chiton can read the chat. Oh, that's their live cover. I can't believe Chiton can see anything. Just spinning it off out of frame.

I just depressed. It is hard to riff with just an office chair. It pretty much always is. I mean, I feel like they're doing it perfect. Sitting, yeah. It's like they're doing a moat. Maybe a little... What a zero old fairy baby. I have a question.

Yeah. The bow tie part of their skin. What's going on there? Their belly button's out. Yeah, the belly button's out. The gigantic boots. I was really- I haven't noticed before that, by the way,

the shoulders are contained within the head. So it does look like they're nervous. Their shoulders are like, whoa. It is ambitious to do a TikTok live stream where they could very much accidentally reveal that. Oh, right. There's also a cheat on with Thor's hammer. Is that the real one? This is the first.

This actually chronologically came first. This is not first. This actually chronologically came first. Chitan's not worthy, surely. It feels like someone's playing like a... Oh, no, Chitan, don't. Chitan's instinct is to smash like such a strong... It is very interesting that of the people who can hold Mjolnir, Chitan is one of them. Oh. Did he smash their own hand?

The people inside of mascot suits in general, I have so much respect for them. We can stop this. I forget, like a mid-summer Mets game in the suit, and you have to jump. Or like, was it Gritty? That little creepy one? The creepy one, yeah.

Furry suit in the heat running around grabbing people the mascot for georgia tech buzz the person in the buzz costume was always like running up and down the sidelines and like this guy or something yeah it's very cute yeah you could look at buzz georgia tech mascot but yeah the the person in the buzz costume is always like the most athletic as athletic as the football players on the person in the buzz costume is always like the most athletic as athletic as the football players on the guy on the left he's he seems genuinely bothered by the hornet the bee i don't know wait yeah what is the yellow jacket can we google that that buzz light year something wasp oh are they different yeah they are what's a wasp doing

paper wasps are carnivorous oh that's rude so they're just mean bees are they eat pollen oh what sorry what is the point of looking like this if you're not doing honey it's like the whole like bumblebees are so oh wait yeah wait there's so many different there there's so many similar things but yeah b is like a misnomer because everyone thinks it's a b but you think it's like when if we like if you say like you're a youtuber or you do a podcast and someone goes like oh you do like mr b stuff yeah like are you on twitch do you do streaming no there's like a bunch of different types of b actually yeah but you do honey right no unfortunately why the social structure i mean they do have interesting social structures yeah okay i got another one so this one i got at

pokemon worlds um and the real one what i what i kept laughing about was it felt like the instruction so this was someone uh this was during the the meddling ceremony where they were like giving people their trophies and stuff and it's amazing and congrats all the competitors i loved watching the competing um it feels like pikachu got the note to never stop moving hey what else do you tell him keep that in mind keep that in mind oh geez that's a lot of movement i'm getting tired looking at him he's wiggling his arms around. Tilting around. Oh!

He's drumming. He's maybe starting to gas a little. Okay. He's too big. Oh, I think he's perfect size. But I just mean, like, not canon. It's very funny because there's tiny Pikachus on the trophies. Oh, that must be weird for him.

Yeah. It's like if Oscar hosted the Academy Awards. This is, by the way, a few minutes in, and I was like, I have to film this. He has to do little squats. Yeah, is there a kid in that what like how do they well so yeah there's junior seniors and masters uh divisions oh i mean is there a kid in the suit oh uh i do believe it's a small adult for like for like uh labor reasons uh that because kids can't move that much yeah they have to get better twins they don't have

a strong core there's other terrible at battling i'll say it there's sorry i got more as someone that's fought a bunch of kids sorry i i didn't realize i was so passionate about mascots uh so the first thing i want to show is the bravest children i've ever seen because if i was faced with uh uh if i was faced with a sprig of tito fuicoco and quaxley that were that freaking large that's insane yeah they also look incredible they look really good yeah it's like they made that uh quaxley extra tall through the hair i like that like they didn't balance him out yeah the pompadour uh i mean god damn dude i was very uh as a little kid i would like get very distressed by anything that was like the wrong size yeah that was a thing fireworks were too big i'm like that's too much this is like more

than should happen that's too much that a truck should no you just have a regular car yeah anything that's the wrong size like i don't even want to say giant spider but if i think about giant spider very scary very scary um okay you're a big gator now i believe yeah a big gator like an extra large gator that's scary or even you know um like a uh komodo dragon or something it's just like entirely too big lizard it's too big but not big enough to for me to just write it off as an alligator yeah i'm like but that's also a dinosaur is what i'm looking at here like and it's it does eat you like it does bite you and stuff but so at universal studios uh they have mascots for super mario world and uh one of them is toad so my question is is how is someone in there moving around those boots oh

yeah well it's actually four puppeteers inside each limb it's like voltron there's a head i think the head is like much higher yeah it's got to be like up here and they have like a series of mirrors and or cameras how are they show me the arm movements. How articulated are they? I'm almost wondering if those are like strings. Yeah, because he's not able to like move them on an X axis. Yeah, you're right. He moves like a like, what motion is he doing? Can he only move that one?

Can you find the one where somebody gets scared by one of the mascots? At Mario World? Yeah, I think so. Oh, I've seen this one. The bad dude. It's like knocking over bowling pins. I'm one of the ball dancers. There's something going on there.

He's got more movement with the legs. I think the boots are probably secure. Accelerate in that costume. Yeah, how do you push? Using what leverage? I don't know. He's got no legs. And then he bounces up and down laughing.

I'm just playing. Sike, sike, sike, sike, sike. How you doing, dude? I'm doing good. What's the latest? I'm doing bad, Suck, suck, suck, suck, suck. How you doing, dude? I'm doing good. What's the latest? I'm doing bad, actually. Pick a lane. Yeah.

I've just been sad a lot lately. I haven't slept well. Yeah, that's always a bit of a chicken egg. Yeah. Am I sleeping bad because I'm not doing well? Yeah, I think I'm making progress towards some of the stuff that i'm trying to do that it's gonna be helpful for the long term but my habits are like out of whack right now like i'm i don't think i'm getting outside enough and like getting active as much as i'd like to so um but tomorrow's another day you feel like there's

a catalyst or just it doesn't always i mean yeah i would say unfortunately no it's just like the um the normal stuff the normal horrors and and i had to stop taking uh one of my medications for a different thing i'm starting soon so there at least that was probably the catalyst from a few weeks back but now it's just kind of like adjusting to the new normal i think i know that if i do certain things it will improve my mood but oftentimes the problem is like the executive function to like do those things that i know will help well yeah i mean it's like you gotta dress for the job you want but you need a job to buy the suit yeah yeah yeah it's not also not like their habits because they fall through their habits because they're back or like yeah you ever play like a roguelike

where you're intended you're intended to die over and over and over again but every time you play you get permanent upgrades like you lose it's kind of like a you lose assets but not wisdom right and i think like you now at least know what a functional habit looks like and then every time you drop you have more yeah ready you know you have upgrades yeah i've been out of habit habits just generally for a while and i'm trying i like have the desire to get back on the horse with a lot of them but uh it's like it's like the intention doesn't necessarily mean that i'm gonna be able to do the action at the like when i want to so that's kind of where i'm at right now uh how about yourself same boat mean, I still don't have a driver's license.

That's like absurd to me. It's all I want. And I can't do it. I just can't do anything. Yeah. I've been like a couple years. Yeah. I feel that.

I was talking to Katie about it the other day. Cause I'm just like, I'm like bored of not having some outlet that I'm really like. There was, there was this like high momentum burn myself out and not work the most efficiently, but I would do it. I would like, if I wasn't going, I would have a little faith in the Jordan who will come back in a couple

of weeks, even if he's maybe doing a little too much, he's doing something. Right. Right. Right. And I just, I just don't.

Yeah. And I, part of that I do think is like, you just change as you get older not just physically but you kind of i i think uh burning the midnight oil kind of permanently slows the engine a little bit it is like i think we've both had a grind periods where it was yes full choice like right i don't remember what that was like anymore but that part of your brain where you just go like no i'm going to go crazy on this yeah i i definitely think i like uh had like a lot of experience with burnout a few years ago and i'm still like picking up the pieces uh there's

like a hangover yeah but like you aren't properly hydrated you like don't know what to drink and yeah that being said though if you ever i mean for me uh sometimes it's like helpful to like someone to like sit with me while i do things so if there's any way that i can help with i would love to do that if i could come around to ambiently work or meet yeah absolutely i think the thing right now is like i i love my my at my place right like i'm comfy there the longest i've been in an apartment for like a decade love it but i just i something changed i just can't work in that space anymore i don't i don't know what happened i i well a couple years ago i got something that's shifted in my brain and going to minus the car there's really not many places where i can go to like work at a

little cafe for sure 20 bucks on a new for sure yeah i will say that like that definitely tracks with me in um and there's just a thing about like it's very i know that you know i don't want to diminish the value and flexibility of like working from home and stuff. But for my own brain, sometimes it's very difficult to have like my comfort space be so close to my workspace because I, I, cause comfort is so close that it feels hard to like switch my brain into like discomfort mode or like work mode or focus mode because i i just have all of my comforts available more available than even the like the work or the grind i have to do is usually self-contained to a specific area and needs a lot of like you know need my computer set up and i need to be here and i need to be focused and i need the right temperature and blah blah blah it's like well if i want to

do something leisurely i turn on the ps5 and i sit down the path of least like you kind of want to make it set up an environment where like the path of least resistance allows you to do what you need to do yeah and then but at home for me a lot of times the path of least resistance is to do something of comfort or to not do the things and then to kind of coddle or self-soothe the bad feelings of not doing the things i'm supposed to do because like even that is more available and feels like it tricks my brain into like thinking that that feels just as good or better than just doing the thing i need to do yeah the low home anxiety gets like it's like how you know tonight is she it's always there but you yeah you learn to live you do other things you're like yeah well what am

i gonna do it'd be like if tonight has had like a little a little pill i had to take but i'm like ah it's on the other side of the room but on the flip side if i like leave home um then like those comforts like it basically feels like the path of least resistance is to just it's still not always to do exactly what i need to do but it at least feels like it is there's less of that those comforts aren't as easily accessible there is no because there is no like resistance on the other side of it it's just the path yeah it's a slippy slidey path yeah that actually is a set that's why i knew about the g10 thing is they just had a clip of sliding down a slip and slide i am an otter now or something

uh there's this clip that's been going viral i wonder if you have seen it have you seen the g4 clip that's going around no is this modern g4 no uh modern g4 is dead yeah well i lost track but for people who don't know g4 is what it's it's what's the channel called g4 is it not originally from oh it was a channel it was like a pay-per-view it was like a cable channel it was its own channel oh i thought it was part of maybe maybe during the week maybe during oh really okay yeah so back in the day g4 was like a cable channel that like had like game content game reviews game news welcome back guys welcome back to the like attack of the show was a show that's like where like olivia munn got her start kevin perera um oh that was within g4 okay yeah that was a g that was that was a show on the g4 network um and i used to i didn't have g4

because we didn't have cable so uh i would acquire the episodes through other means but uh what's the rendering this this clip this is from x-Play, which is a show with Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb. I guess there's a lot of discourse about wokeness in games. And this is really just a marker of how far we've come, because this was on a television network on cable and it was popular. You know, Genji story is based on the genji period of japanese history we're not exactly sure how but can you really blame us because who knows anything about japanese history there were some samurai they periodically killed themselves a rattler and judo and they invented a religion that sanctifies small trees and fat guys wrestling then we nuked them that's

what they turned into a real country to see what the ps3 can do with a hack and slash it's not bound jumping to adam that was like the uh george which doesn't care about black people moment with mike bison then yeah all right and another launch title for the playstation 3 the fact that that's on a teleprompter god damn and you just have to sell it i was a pretty good job well i mean like it's not her fault. Like, I don't think she wrote it. You know what I mean? Yeah.

She played it just right. Adam Sessler's in his perfectly squared posture that he has perfectly squared thumbs and pockets. That was a, Ooh, that's an era. Yeah. Thumb in the thumb pocket or a thumb out of pocket while walking with

hands in pockets. For some reason with the button up, it feels like a thing of an era. Yeah. Something on there wait okay what is that how does adam what does adam sessler even say here see what the ps3 can do with a hack and slash it's not bound up with a complex storyline like the vast pageant of japanese history here's our review of untold legends why i don't understand why the writer is so anti-japanese history it's for a playstation show like this is like doesn't make any sense they're like we get it we don't who cares blah blah blah blah blah raw fish on rice okay what who cares whatever that's wild dude

that was a we hear her statement because it is like completely unrelated to the first half of the sentence it is yeah genji is a ps3 launch title that no one cared about to have this much ire about it it is it is like um it feels very much uh like tosh.0 or uh or the soup when joel mckale would host the soup and just like say something really like evocative like um controversial deadpan humor that's like as long as you say it with a straight face it's ironic or whatever yeah yeah yeah genji's story is based on the genji period of japanese history okay we're not exactly sure how but can you really blame us because who knows anything about japanese history there were some samurai they periodically killed themselves,

a rat learned judo, and they invented a religion that sanctified small trees and fat guys wrestling. Then we nuked them. That's what they turned into a real country. That's the craziest line. That is like, this is one of those comedian does crowd work ones where like the crowd's kind

of with him and I'm like, okay, wrap up the bit. You've pushed it a little oh i don't know man all right they're booing it's such a weird the face i like this is very i don't even understand what the joke is supposed to be well it's based on the history the genji period of japan we don't even know how what do you mean we don't even know how because we can't look it up even though it's like a pre-written thing right if someone was like hey the first of all the press release for the game definitely doesn't end it it's based on this period anyway what are you doing which doesn't freaking matter because who freaking cares about

it kill herself sometimes at least and then like one of the most like horrific war crimes ever committed the single event yeah exactly and then and then going uh yeah the most like horrific war crimes ever committed the single event yeah exactly and then and then going uh yeah that's when they became a real country is that just happened insane but again it's like cutting away it's like this uh yeah it's i there's no excuse for it i just want to make sure that this woman doesn't get too much hate because it's not like she scripted it herself or that it had like some huge global impact it was just some weird edgelord shit yeah i was like i don't recall this being controversial at the time i don't think this shifted anyone's perspective on like japanese

history i guess it's like because the audience for this is like 13 year old boys imagine i mean imagine like uh it's a new gladiator movie movie coming out right we don't really know what it's about we just not really starts making a new one which there was kind of a trailer for it imagine somebody comes along to you and they're like yeah there's a gladiator movie and it's set in ancient rome nobody knows how nobody knows how what do you mean all we know is that they had an ancient civilization and then fucking it crumbled like who fucking cares what are the details yeah isn't that the point of the game is it's gonna walk you through the story there's gonna be a story that you can follow as a gamer it's mythological too it's like fantasy i think it's

set in the genji period in the same way that like the day after tomorrow was set on earth yeah i don't know i yeah so it's like i don't understand it's like very hard now detached from this period to understand the x-play period uh which we don't really care about the x-play period i don't really know took on too much investment from people who aren't sure what they were doing yeah yeah scripted strange monologues for a show that yeah tried to bring it tried to bring it back i want to say was it comedy central that they like brought back with that i don't know i've only ever seen that i've only ever seen it as a reference point to shows i know of like uh kind of like how like screw attack wasn't a show but everything

inside screw attack with the tone shows yeah yeah g4 i would would watch Attack of the Show. I would like Pirate Attack of the Show because I didn't have G4. Sorry? Sorry. What did you say? I am a bit of a pirate. From stealing stuff? Just in the voice. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah. And I would watch Attack of the Show. That's cool that pirates got away with just not being called thieves. Arr. They came up with like a pirate or something else oh wait i want to watch this one uh i've been watching old episodes of x-plan it's interesting to see how how quote-unquote gamers felt about metal gear solid 2 at the time okay so this one's got a bit of a lore because uh do you remember you know the big thing with metal

gear solid 2 right which big so so metal gear solid 2 the intro the start of the game you're playing a solid snake yeah i thought you meant like about the reaction to it well that's what i mean that i think that that's what it's going to be that's what it's going to be about and and i think that nowadays people hold like i like i enjoyed playing metal gear solid 2 but it was the first one i ever played so i had no tie to solid snake yeah it's I mean, I think by a lot of people still widely considered the best one. I think it's like, yeah, it's viewed very, but this is like from the time. To blow it out of the water at the touch of this button.

To the patriots. So it's the cut scenes alone. My old steam handle was Ocelot Revolver. That's cool. And it was a cat with like a gun. That's cute. Yeah, because Revolver Ocelot's a character in Metal Gear Solid. And of course, you know, who's to say how much of him is liquid

and then how much of his Revolver Ocelot later in the story. And he's also very important in the events of both 3 and later Metal Gear Solid Phantom Men. But yeah, that was my Counter-Strike handle, and I had a spray. My spray in Counter-Strike was Assault Revolver. And you were like, you said you were pirating stuff? No. So you were a thief in the law.

Oh, wow, I like him again. I was playing a character. Parked the car in Harvard Yard. Whoa, it's Oh, wow. I like him again. I was playing a character. Park the car at Harvard Yard. Oh, whoa. It's Boston Pirate. I'm from Boston. I went to Yale, didn't I? I like clam chowder.

It's very regional. Clam chowdar. Oh, whoa. Is that the ocean to go into for you? I don't know. You're a landlocked pirate. I'm a landlubber. How's that possible?

Otacon, we have a problem. I was thinking the same thing. Now, I don't think I'm the only one to have this problem with Metal Gear Solid 2. And to be fair, Metal Gear Solid 2 isn't the only game to have this problem. But for a game that is so high profile, it was a great disappointment to have so many moments

where I wasn't able to play the game. Especially at the beginning of the second level. You watch an interminable cutscene, only to have very unengaging gameplay follow. You just walk down a hall, at the conclusion of which, you then watch another cutscene. Following that, you're walking down a hall, only to watch another cutscene.

Did I tell you you could move? It is really interesting because it's like, I do feel like this is, I'm not an expert on like game history of this type. But it does feel like there is this shift of, especially like Hideo Kojima being like one of those um games of cinema people like guy who really wants to make movies or whatever found himself making games and uh but i do think that nowadays i feel like there's a lot more of this it's like a foundational game for this exact reason and i feel like everyone that complained about it no one actually had the experience of like i'm bored because this isn't interesting it was i am going to say i'm bored because i'm actually just bothered i'm bothered that this feels religiously wrong it's like uh

if you go oh god to a catholic they don't actually really care about the word they don't think god's gonna hit them with lightning but they're like you don't do that these are games and movies are something else i was there i once left one of the only comments i ever left on anything was on the escapist for uh now stephanie but uh stephanie uh sterling posted a review at heavy rain and i remember being a complete piece of shit in the comments going like this belief that the uh movies are better than games and games must become movies is toxic and ultimately dangerous for the art form and i'm like that is such a lazy take because it just what i'm actually saying is like the art form should be limited we shouldn't explore things and do weird you walk down the hallway bad game bad game the game is actually i would have much rather there's nothing breaking

up there's so much gameplay in the game i mean yeah i guess there's that part where it is back to back but there's also huge stretches of not there but it's funny because uh that criticism like would continue to be applied like metal gear solid four i think had it like and then or even five where it's like just mostly cut scenes or whatever almost four is a lot of cuts yeah but it's also a lot of story yeah and it's uh i don't know it's like when people complain about long albums yeah well did you like the songs if not you just don't like the songs it's not the i guess it's like if what you want from your gaming experience but the thing is like it's a gaming as immersive storytelling versus like as mechanical pressing controls and like getting the mechanical catharsis of like

killing guys or whatever it's a genre and like uh i mean all art right it's just different uh different mediums of different palettes it's not that there's no crossover and that you can't experience some things, but you could argue that fear is something that's transferable between horror movies and horror games, but regret is not really something you can deliver in a non-interactive medium because you cannot do enough action. Maybe guilt, maybe it can evoke something,

but those are much better suited to stuff like this. Everything has its medium. Dark Souls atmosphere can only be in that kind of experience if it's broken up by a lot of cut scenes telling you what the experience is that might get in the way change your relationship with it but there's like yeah it's your dark souls versus your like heavy rain right like and it's not it's just never i don't know i those are telltale right or who makes those heavy rain there's a quantic dream uh by david cage a? Heavy Rain. There's a Quantic Dream by David Cage. A terrible man. I mean, Naughty Dog gets some flack for this now.

Yeah. Well, actually, Last of Us 2 was more about what happens in the story. But the game structure of The Last of Us in particular, and all the Uncharted games, it's like, hell, this isn't really taking advantage of what games can be uniquely. I guess, but I feel like taking advantage of what games can be is doing everything across a wide spectrum of releases. Why does this game need to deliver on the thing?

Not everything has to be everything for everyone. They didn't know about Dark Souls. It came out. There's actually quite a few of them. Why is it this Dark Souls? I don't understand. I don't get it. Why is it every game Dark Souls it came out there's actually quite a few why is it the Stark Souls I don't understand I don't get it why is it every game Dark Souls

Dark Souls is based on the semi-medieval period of a fictional world I don't know how I don't know how how can somebody I don't think it's real

I don't know how they went back that's such a funny sentiment I don't know how I'm not saying that Metal Gear Solid 2 shouldn't have a story, but the game shouldn't have to stop down to have to tell it and then have gameplay that does nothing to forward the narrative.

Now, another game that uses the same device and has as convoluted a story as Kojima's title is Deus Ex. But in this game, the cutscenes are spaced apart and you see them after a long session of gameplay. It's almost like it's a reward. Deus Ex is a good, I feel almost like the Dark Souls in this dichotomy equivalent. Plus, it's dialogue options, which you do not do in Metal Gear. Yeah, it's weird because I feel like they just cherry-picked that particular section, I guess. And all the cut scenes, or most of the cut scenes in Deus Ex,

all the dialogue exchanges are wide shot of the person you're talking to, closer shot of your character, back and forth, mouth moving, no body movement, to choose dialogue options and be done and go back to the immersive sim game. And also, funny, he's talking about story, stuff when Baldur's Gate is like front row center.

I mean, sure, there's more clicking, talking about story uh stuff when boulders gate is like front row center that is all i mean sure there's more clicking but yeah you're you it's crazy to say there's like no value to the way they're delivering that also shout out to red faction a game no one remembers very interesting is this like little smorgasbord a game supposed to be like this is who does it right i don't know i don't i don't know why he's surrounded by games look out his body's being consumed by games it's like the end of akira he's becoming cartridges what is that game on the left i don't recognize that at all it looks like it says metropolis but it doesn't it says i don't fucking know like a beret how it's said in a metropolis but I don't know how.

It's Conker's Bad Fur Day. Well, you really want to see the cutscenes because they're so funny, but you only earn them after solving a puzzle within the game. I hate these guys. Games might not be the right thing to tell tales of that nature.

And game makers might want to step out of the shadow of other media. Games are games. Movies are movies. If you want a bunch of plot twists, there's always Dickens. There's what? There's always what? Dick?

There's always Dickens? If you want more stories. There's always Dickens. Dickens. Dickens. That's the one. Yeah, that's the one. If you want no plot twist in my game

you know who loves plot twist charles dickens it was a it would check it out it was the best of time hold on it was the worst of times your shit got twisted that's such a uh i i but you see i said so much of the same shit i think specifically because i was like gatekeeper this is my thing gaming is my thing and you're gonna ruin if you try and make it other stuff which is like you know that's a child's mind and adam sesler went on to be funnily enough when i was uh really into adam sesler's work it was when he did rev three and his rev three review of the last of us is glowing and largely about the direction of the cutscene so a lot of change

and it's not even a criticism of him necessarily plus a lot of the reviews for companies like this are kind of written marginally by sources whatever yeah yeah but it is just such a funny like what the caption for this has been watching old episodes of x-play okay and it's interesting choice i missed a bunch of stuff i want to learn about a genji 2 yeah uh gamers feel about metal gear solid 2 at the time and it's yeah it is about metal gear solid 2 technically but i feel like it is more about like it's the same sentiment taken to a way less extreme that gamer gate is born out of yeah but that's also born out of like hate for women but it does feel like the same like no it's it's like mine it's like someone it's like you put bananas in

their peanut butter sandwich and they were like let fruit be fruit yeah no peanut butter on the bread the bread is the bread the bread is the bread don't stop putting this in it's like with these these can be good together and they can be good separate i don't know i i eat from a pile of salt and then i eat a single peanut without the shell of course then i eat the shell by itself right of course where's my butter um but mainly i just wanted to show you that first clip because i saw it on my feet and it was insane i know it's the obviously she says something more crazy but the part that is sticking with me is i don't know we don't know how we don't know how why you haven't played it nobody does yeah yeah you gotta play the game apparently it's on a console apparently they don't read any they don't care about the story so it's like you're both just

very anti-story clips because it's like it's like uh it's like adults having to cater to a teenager's like attention span who freaking knows i'm just pressing A through all the dialogue options. What a bunch of BS. Plus there's like even the aesthetic. It's so funny that we still had to do this. Be like, I'm in my gamer den. I'm in my game. I'm being swallowed alive by games. I'm paying a mortgage, but I'm in my

gamer zone. Yeah, I've got my three monitors. I've got my race car bed. Did game boxes used to be that big? Yeah. Yeah, for PC. Literally, for PC, it would be like a big-ass game box with one disc inside and a bunch of air. Jacob, I don't know if this is going to make you jealous, but I did have, from DJ Maxx, I did, DK Maxx in the UK, don't even get me started.

I did get a second-hand PC copy of the tim burton planet of the apes game and it was did it work when i play my computer no breaks my computer not sure why have you have you bought a processor recently because it's very funny the size of box they come in oh dude it's like you it's literally they and they still have the like it's the dragon explosion brand yeah style it's like yeah it'll be like this this big and then the box will be like this big and it's it's the dragon explosion brand yeah style it's like yeah it'll be like this this big and then the box will be like this big and it's it's it's got a little window into it and then you open it and you realize it's just all a big presentation box like you found an ancient relic like in the museum protecting a fossil yeah transit to the vet like everything could have fit in a cd jewel case

that was sold as a dvd or cd but they were like but it looks better than the ps3 i think ps3 onwards no maybe no ps3 onwards they went to the blu-ray size disc yeah disc case and the disc stayed the same size oh yeah gamecube went full but made the disc small not to mention the nintendo ds in 3ds. They have CD-sized cases, but the cartridge is a little tiny. Teeny weeny. You guys know how they're like Switch games? They taste bad? Oh, right. Switch games also.

Teeny weeny. Teeny weeny, and then in an even larger case. And they do taste bad. And I know that from first-hand experience. From, you know, they... Now, paste. That tastes now paste that tastes good oh yeah oh play-doh nintendo cartridge blow out the dust take a bite it's not working take a bite they put like a chemical on it so that a kid would not think it tasted good yeah they do that to batteries too oh why do you know that getting charged up my thought is like why did they need to do that for batteries

i thought batteries tasted bad i thought that's just like a coin size battery oh the coin one oh that makes sense that makes sense i'm trying to because you know kids often try to put new things in their air tags or their watches and i'll take a bite um also we uh i have a lot to say about magically gathering uh and we are still deep in it but today we're gonna separate that and do a little um we're gonna put it on our patreon but for free because you can sign up as a free member on patreon and so it'll just be like an unedited segment of us. Like a second channel upload. Yeah. Yeah. And,

and, and also you can, you know, sign up for a patron for free. You can see what else we're offering there, but no, this, this is just going to be a free post.

And we're going to look at, we're going to talk about some magic stuff and then also look at the desk, more than spoilers. Cause those have been starting. And I want to like, look at the cards. We'll look at the cards together.

And leave you peons, you cowards who aren't planeswalkers like us to your going to a football game. Shut up. Whatever, man. Games are not movies and sports is bad. And I don't know the lore. I don't know the story

because I don't read it. I'm not a sports ball kind of guy, you know. Those are the worst people in the world. So, Jacob, you come to us bearing because I don't read it. I'm not a sports ball kind of guy. You know, those are the worst people in the world. So, Jacob, you come to us bearing a ring. A knife. An engagement ring. An engagement ring.

You are becoming engaged to the podcast. No, you've got a story about Ringate that you're going to expose us to for the first time. But you've written in such a fun way. It says, Ringate, theft, or extortion. Ooh. Which one is it? That's the question. And I guess we'll be the judge jury.

You'll be the judge of that. We are the jury. And not the executioner. Not the executioner. I'm the executioner. Oh, okay. You're Judge Steve Harvey, and you have to do the voice. Nope.

Can I be the bailiff? The bailiff who they always cut to, and they're always like, knock it off. Yeah, yeah. We'll bet for more of these. Yeah. We got real bailiffs, and they're like... Actually, no, wait. Judge?

Juryman. It's a one-man jury. We. Yeah, the royal we. We are Jarvis. we are yeah i started speaking like goatee you're a bunch of flies yeah and i will be john wick oh okay and i'm like oh oh no i'm goku with all the powers and i'm master chief i have master chief's armor and i'm goku and i have Lexus. Fuck you. That's not fair. I have to do jury duty, and you get to be Master Chief slash Goku?

First of all, I'm in the military, so salute me, please. You get to be Master Chief and Goku? I'm a Master Chief. Is that real? Is a Master Chief a level? Level. Yeah, like a rank. Rank? Okay, so, like a rank.

Okay, so this is Chelsea King. She evolved from Chelsea Goldeen. Sorry, that's a little Pokemon joke. Play it again louder. Sea King is a part of her name, which is fun. Yeah, that's something there. Sea King. Come on, guys.

True. The fish. It's spelled wrong, but. Well, that's spelled like the Pokemon, actually. Oh, Seaking. Seaking, as in Goldeen's Evolution. Jacob, you're acting like you've not been paying your legally required amount of Pokemon Go every week in order to get workers gone. No, I have. I promise. Oh, yeah, that reminds me.

The new season and the new starters, the Galar starters, came to pokemon go today so i'm probably gonna do that after this keep that in mind jacob okay um so this is chelsea king uh she's a self-proclaimed small indie artist who's supposed to proclaim it yeah i guess the council hasn't her boyfriend was going to have a ring fitted with a new gemstone and this ring was like a family heirloom and she'll get into more of this but basically there was an issue and uh trouble in paradise trouble in paradise and uh so she took like many people to tiktok yes um to voice her frustrations okay my first instinct is when i have an interpersonal thing going on i'm like i need more contributors king jewelers lost my fourth generation

family heirloom engagement ring in my boyfriend's $10,000 crystal and is refusing to pay us. Now they are a massive company with several locations. They might be a corporation and they know that I am just a little indie musician and my boyfriend is a tennis player. So they think that they can get away with not paying us,

but I'm bringing it to TikTok and hoping that you guys can do your magic if you've been following me for a long time you know i'm a little bit of a woo woo hippie and so is my boyfriend we spent about a year working with these shamans to help us heal and unblock our chakras they did an amazing job now my partner dawson and i have done several past life regressions what's a bad job my chakras are still blocked oh dude i went to this is actually another company i'm having an issue with yeah i worked with uh king chakras and they gave me more chakra or blocked them more yeah i have to find a chakra plumber to like unclog my chakras it's no i don't

i don't want to because it's like the thing the only reason we're making fun of it is because they're two white people and they uh they use flushable wipes on their chakras that's the issue but while we were working with these shamans we he purchased this ten thousand dollar tanzanite pause he bought it i just feel like the sentence while we were working with these shamans he purchased a ten thousand dollar tanzanite. On Amazon. He's on his phone while they're doing the session. What are you doing? I just sort of got a two-day delivery.

Okay. I want to focus on, you know, the bad thing that happened to them. But it's like so hard for me to relate to that sentence. To be fair. They just know I'm a little indie musician and he's just some tennis player and i'm like interesting so anyway two shamans and ten thousand dollars that is a weird would you would just he's a tennis player okay that is a very wide spectrum that's like saying he plays college football. I'm like, well, for what college, how well, what position, and how old,

and where? Are we talking like a challenger situation? Is he a Patrick or is he an art? You know what I mean? I've seen it. It's like the biggest Tanzanite I've ever seen straight from the mines in Tanzania. Yeah.

No worries. I've ever seen straight from the mines in Tanzania. Okay. No worries. Okay. It's straight. I don't love it straight from the mines. Blood on it. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

I don't love that it's straight from the mines. We got it straight from his father's mine. Stop. Wait, I was on your side, but now I was slightly off your side with the shamans, and now you're starting to lose me. And the shamans used this crystal to heal him and cut some ties from his past life. Specific tie was with this evil man that unalived him. So ever since we did that, we've been planning to put the tanzanite... In the past life.

Gotta stop hanging out with him. Yeah, there's an evil man in his past life that killed his past self presumably that evil man is he's he's still around doesn't that unalived his past self i think we're deep enough in the video that youtube's not gonna youtube's not gonna note it note it but yeah this shaman convinced him to buy a ten thousand dollar gemstone in order to cut ties with a person who killed him in a past life. So is this shaman by any chance Kanye West's dentist?

The guy who's like allegedly got him addicted to nitrous? Well, this shaman part-time works at him. Have you seen a photo of Kanye West's dentist? Have you seen a photo of Kanye West's dentist? I didn't know he looked weird. I just know what he did was strange wow there's like photos of him just being incredibly ripped and tattooed and bald oh the most jack dennis in the world did he get the tattoos later what's going on there i guess so oh wait there's three different jack

dentists yeah they are he's the one in the little frame oh but oh that's fun oh yeah yeah right there right there wait wait third bottom road right there that that right there yeah oh yeah he dipped his pants in mustard and he has now he's like bald with one of those head tattoos like full head tattoos that's a cool move i mean anyway that's the what i'm imagining for this shaman who's recommending the $10,000 tanzanite. And he gets to keep it as a tip, I think. All we can do, the only thing that's going to help is the $10,000 tanzanite from the mines directly.

We can't help broke boys, so. So ever since we did that, we've been planning to put the tanzanite in the center of my family heirloom as our engagement ring. And then we would use the rest of the tanzanite to make earrings and rings for our eventual kids that we would have so that we could all kind of have matching tanzanite rings. Like a Scott Pilgrim style, like Harry Potter style horcrux situation?

Well, the kids are twins and they each get half an amulet with half a tanzanite in them. And when they combine them, they become a bigger kid. They become a kid in a trench coat. And their voices are both playing when they speak. Yeah, exactly. Dawson dropped off the ring and the gemstone in April to get the gemstone set in the center of my family heirloom. And I guess in May, both got stolen.

But they did not tell us until july 11th when they finally told us in july it was because dawson had called them three times in one day he called them all week with no response no updates and then he called them three times in one day three times in one day isn't crazy when you haven't heard about your ten thousand dollar gym in fact that it took you that long yeah a little peculiar i think uh day four is probably what i was just trying to get a doctor's appointment the other day i think i call them six times that's because they stole my brain yeah oh yeah they did steal my my blood emeralds well my father's blood emeralds i should say and certainly not the guy that mined it he doesn't have anything anymore you know it's not like that much um so to expedite the rest of the video the rest of this video um what once they finally did get a hold of king jewelers uh they told her that the ring was lost and it was because jewelers by the way great name just for this if i was writing this story as

fiction yeah king jewelers is probably oh yeah he's like king candy and the candy the only better one would be shaman jewelers diamond thief shaman jeweler comma diamond thief um three power ten toughness yeah they they they told her that uh it had been lost in shipping because they had to send it to a third party for the tanzanite to get cut um it's into mine before they yeah before they placed it in the ring and uh that when it was getting shipped uh it wasn't insured i don't know anything about diamonds i know they're kind of famously hard to cut or whatever i feel like if i'm giving my jewelry to someone that's going to put it in other jewelry they should be able to cut like like it's weird that i also feel like uh from an insurance standpoint if if you didn't sign something with them that gave them the ability to like send it off without insurance

wouldn't they be liable for it yeah that you it must have insurance that's crazy that's not it's like it's so weird yeah like the very frugal jewelry store yeah they're sending off a ten thousand i i if i send like a twenty dollar thing i'm insuring it for like twenty dollars dude you can't even like if you you travel. I mean, it's expensive, but it's like, the reason insurance is like not crazy, crazy expensive with shipping is because it's so unlikely that something gets lost. So, you know what I am going to risk it? Just this one time. You know the one time I got travel insurance on an international flight is when I was bringing my PC when I moved. Just then, because of, you know, rowing luggage and breaking shit but of course my pc got stolen so

did i i was on the plane yeah you will you had to send the pc off to a third party to get cut to play games to get cut into a smaller pc so you could play genji said in europe or something yeah weird also, David basically said that we should have had personal insurance. Would personal insurance help you if you willingly gave your item to someone else and then they did something to it? It's like if the mob did it. It's not like they broke in and stole it.

Is the poster such art behind her Kurt Cobain and maybe Jimi Hendrix? Wait, who's that on the right? Oh. And Elvis? Wait, that can't be right. Who else is dead?

Oh, is it Prince? Is Prince on the left? Oh, is it Prince? Maybe. Yeah, Cobain. Oh, and there's more on the left. Yeah, it looks like. Chevy Chase.

How does it say Dick Cheney? That's my Mount Rushmore. He's in the 27 Club somehow. It does look like Elvis on the right, but... Oh, wait. Are these not just dead musicians? Is that a... Wait, can we do that?

Yeah, can we do Linz on just that corner? Is this Steven Dyla? Ooh. Oh, wow. It is the 27 Club poster. Who's that monk? That's Arvid from the Tango Tide. I mean, yeah, he got cooked.

What in the world? Oh, it's Joplin and... Oh, Morrison. Oh. Oh, yeah, I guess. And then the eye in the center. The I in the center is pissing me off. It's 27.

It's like it's the I in the center is I have a $10,000 Tansy. And I have a shaman. So then she posts like a little bit of an update. I think either the next day. Well, sorry about the 27 club thing. Doesn't this poster imply a conspiracy? It looks like it. because of the eye thing oh i didn't even account for that yeah i thought maybe it was just illuminati killed them or something that's like what it like feels like i thought it was kind of vaguely just

doing like pseudo spiritual aesthetics but very sinister it's like yeah you'd think of Ted, because I've seen a lot of, I wouldn't say a lot, but a handful of, like, Thighlong, to cleanse me from that guy I killed. Got her, killed me. I'm winking. I'm winking a bunch. Those are Thightazies, which are collections of, like, dead heroes and stuff. That's quite common, often some on the calf and stuff.

And almost always, the compilation, it's just kind of feathered in between them you know what i mean it's like one head behind the other one and then elvis like playing the guitar he's a little smaller and then a really big hendrix or something there is i've never seen them being it looks like that eye is trying to trick me like i love music and it's like come closer come these are all your favorite musicians wouldn't you like to join them they're inside my mouth all right wait so what the ultimate inclusion was they lost it and they're and she's like review bomb yeah and so she's like leave comments like thanks thanks

for your support a bunch of her followers went and left google reviews she didn't ask them to but a bunch of her followers went and left google reviews for the jeweler yeah that her first post had like 500 000 likes on tiktok i have some ring updates for y'all i know it's only 7 a.m but i promised i would up this process and i plan to deliver on that promise first i just want to say thank you so much for blowing my video up i have never had so many strangers willing to go to battle for me and honestly all of the support has been a little bit overwhelming it's been one of the most heartwarming and validating experiences of my life so thank you for making such a horrible situation feel so beautiful the light is it's now being revealed how harsh because look at how

how hard the shadow is being cast on this uh it looks like it's making the making it just look like the base is longer also is she tiny or is it a huge base because now that she's like parallel to it i think it's a weird angle and that's on the edge of the like lens like maybe there's a oh it's being warped to make it look tiny. Feels so beautiful. So after the video started doing some dummy numbers, people went over to King Jewelers and started leaving Google reviews.

Also, I feel like legally, I have to add, I did not ask anyone to leave Google reviews in any of my videos. You don't legally have to say, the video is available. Legally. Legally, I didn't ask anyone to do it. No, we saw you.

You didn't ask. to do it no we saw you you didn't ask i also left a google review just detailing my process all of the google reviews brought their stars from 4.8 down to 3.8 and then this morning when i checked they had deleted everyone's google reviews including mine and including my boyfriends and i think they may have disabled that feature completely which feels very inauthentic and suspicious you can delete the google reviews that's the that's i don't know because on yelp uh people think that you can like delete reviews but you actually like kind of can't like uh like maybe if they detect that something was like malicious or like sent from all the same ip or something they might have like seen an influx of a lot of negative

views and like flagged it as like spam and removed it i was gonna say that that feels like like it could have happened for sure yeah i just don't even know what or at the very least they like requested they do that because clearly there is like some kind of momentum or something. Well, yeah. If you're having like hundreds of reviews to come in from people who have never shopped at your business,

then that's like, yeah. I mean like, it's not like just because someone's an influencer doesn't mean that their review counts as a thousand reviews. Yeah. Like, I guess I would delete the ones that aren't five star that would

be my the thing that's the thing it's like that's what everyone would do and that's why you know like you generally can't on like yelp is the one where there's a lot of conspiracy theories about like buying reviews and stuff but uh from what i know and having worked there and that that's not a thing that happens but i and i have no reason to protect them but i'm you know pretty sure a lot of the times it's like uh scammers who like are basically saying that they can do something that they can't do and just trying to steal money from you last night i was feeling a little bit guilty when i was seeing like all of their social media get blown only a little bit and i was like oh my gosh, am I going to be responsible for this business tanking?

Maybe. Right, yeah, probably. And that felt, I felt, I still feel a little guilty about that. But my boyfriend was like, no, Chelsea, they literally brought this on themselves. Okay, yeah, but like the only thing is maybe a single receipt would be helpful.

No, Chelsea. And they've been deleting our google reviews i we still don't know if that's a thing actually can we google this can you delete google reviews because it seems like she should have googled it before saying it in this video but they can ask they can ask google if they violate google's prop but google doesn't offer a simple delete option because reviews are yeah i mean yes yeah probably is that now it's probably because it was spam which is they're right so yeah yeah unfortunately yeah so it's uh it's weird that she's saying it feels weird that a company can delete the hundreds of

review bombs that happened when a bunch of well-meaning people who saw my tiktok uh went to go review a business they've never i did not ask them to do that they did and so why why are they allowed to delete those they're legitimate i didn't ask anyone to kill them but they i'm glad they did and they shouldn't yeah the question lies the moral question is is a review legitimate if it comes from someone who has never who if it comes from someone who simply heard something bad about the business yeah sure and i would say no because the review is meant to if i'm going looking at reviews i want them from people not who heard something online but people who've actually used the service yeah that's a i mean it's why the rotten tomatoes audience score is like worthless because it's just going to be it all

it represents is how engaged the fan base of this thing is right because i'm sure the beer keeper has like a pretty reasonable audience score of just like yeah whatever i mean has a decent metacritic like uh but then like uh you know zack's justice league has like 99 audience score because they're active online yeah and it sort of feels like i don't know who is allowed to delete the google this is like when pitchfork is like uh what do they give um short and sweet by sabrina carpenter like a seven or no no or it's like when anthony fantano gave gave short and sweet a seven or six i think you may have even given it a seven but anyway people that's a zero dude people were mad that it wasn't high enough and it's like six is a zero seven is i mean that's

like i don't know it's not as bad as you're making it out to see pitchfork gave camp by childish gambino a 1.6 which will forever that forever invalidates pitchfork to me yeah i mean pitch was like ign right it was just like an aggregate of so many people that yeah is this even what is it to have a corporate review yeah that's a great that's a great point but 1.6 is such a like that's that's like barely even that feels like you're saying this isn't even music there isn't you know what i mean good song yeah it has to be unless it's like that also there's like that classical classic culture of you're reviewing the album as a cohesive entity and the individual songs don't matter it is only sure combined but but i don't know it's just hard to imagine how like i get when like uh fantano didn't want to review Vultures.

And that makes sense, right? But he didn't give it. I can't remember if he. He didn't give it a score, yeah. I don't think he gave it a score out of protest. But, like, it almost feels like a protest score. You know what I mean? No.

Didn't like it. Bothered. Will not listen. Yeah. No value whatsoever. I think when they said that us asking to be compensated, they told the Better Business Bureau that us asking for money for our ring back was us blackmailing them. This is because the review that they left on Better Business Bureau was asking for a $25,000 payment for the ring. Okay. I guess because they're putting a price on the family heirloom as well.

On the family heirloom. Oh, right. Okay. It's like, you know, it has sentimental value. Yeah. I guess. And then she's saying that, you know, the ring was worth at least $1,000 and this gemstone was like $10,000 or whatever. Yeah. uh she's and then she's saying that you know the ring was worth at least a thousand dollars and

this gemstone was like ten thousand dollars or whatever yeah which uh there's someone who we're gonna watch with that will actually look at the receipts okay wait let's back up i do want to see like how she gets to bringing up this photo of her boyfriend with a rabbit that us asking for money for our ring back right and that's what you said blackmailing them that's kind of when i decided i needed to go to tiktok and tell the true story of what happened i also thought i'd show you a picture of my boyfriend this is him with hold on i'll back up wait that's him with the money that we found when we were on a hike in the woods which clearly was um someone's pet that they had dumped and dawson was like insistent that we bring the bunny home and give it a home and take

care of it this is the only picture i have of the ring if if i had never seen any of these clips and you showed me that man i would guess his name was dawson. Yeah, 100%. Or Lance. Yeah. Or one of those Disney kids with three names. Oh, yeah. A Taylor, Lance, and Thomas. Yeah, yeah. Russell, Michael, Kelly. Yeah. This every Friday on Kid with a Rock.

Thomas Keene Andrews stars in Emerald Mine Days. Hey, come on. You got to give me that diamond or i'll have you killed james uh james uh mark allen in my office right now where that emerald is now would be a tanzanite if you see it on the facebook marketplace and then it's surrounded and can relax i'm working on trying to get a picture of the actual raw wait so in that world she's saying that if someone's selling it on if someone's selling it on facebook marketplace they will have successfully done the cutting in the setting i thought i was lost in shipping

supposing that way back to kings okay wait but then wait hold on but if well but then what does king's jewelers do if they were setting it off for the cutting and the setting the entire job this is a guy that i called king maybe they were just doing the cutting and yeah so i'm just i just like doesn't make sense to me why you would see a completed ring on facebook marketplace also if i was trying to steal it i would just sell the emerald version i probably yeah all right i'd send them a little diamond every week till they pay the rent yeah i think part of what she is subtly insinuating is that king's jewelers might have been behind the theft as well right which is like is a big supposition i'd probably sell it in my jewelry store.

Yeah. That would be the way I would go, actually. But again, thank you so much for supporting us and for going to battle with us. I'm literally just a little musician. He's just a little tennis player, and it feels really nice to have a whole team of people willing to fight this big company is it a big company did you guys uh you guys watch the olympics yeah i mean you watch little tennis

right where they he's just a little tennis player that's so but with 10 000 liquid cash um don't jump at King Jewelers. Engagement rings. My main thing is, like, how many locations do they have now? Oh, wait. Explore his options in another. King Jewelers to Miami Beach.

So, okay, it is a chain. Is there going to be a part in the 70s and 80s when, like, imported diamonds became really big that they just skipped? Oh, 1961 to 1982 like nothing happened nothing happened wait if you scroll up that's so funny we took a trip to south africa and then nothing happened if you scroll up it's like they they worked with the whole rat pack it is like frank sinatra dean martin jerry lewis sammy davis do you think they went with the pussy posse um who's that leonardo gabriel toby mcguire and then two guys who everyone forgot about

taylor kitch i think was one of them whoa whoa they learned to be italian this is the guy she was speaking with david king ushered in the fifth generation of kings this is such a funny name for all this happening whoa one of them's called max king that's cool that's like max power max pain maximum king maximilian king biggest crown ever hugest king i should in the fifth generation would they not board come on in hey What? You can finally come? Okay. It's a newborn. So on this... Wait, where was it? I have some great updates for y'all.

This video. On this video... Is the first one? This is the second one. There were a couple of jewelry companies who said, hey, this is terrible. I'm so sorry this happened. Let us make a replacement ring for you.

Oh, that's kind of crazy. And like, you know, obviously like this is good marketing, whatever, for whatever reasons they were doing this. They're like, we have like this fun like tanzanite that we can put in a ring for you.

Dude, these are well-meaning people, but I do feel like this is misguided. If you look up tanzanite rings surrounded by diamonds, a bunch of rings that look like yours show up from this website called ingara if this helps i don't know if they sold it to them and i'm like i just don't like it like just doesn't pass the smell test why would they do all the work and then sell it off that if it's a larger third party who would have to be buying it for less money to make a profit yeah do yelp review

they have a hard time deleting those yelp doesn't allow it very easily uh king jewelers uh uh posted two tanzanite uh pieces of jewelry okay oh shit they're selling your tan you know where i should have checked king jewels i think they might have stolen i don't want to side with a company i mean i just it's like but i'm just like and to be fair franchising companies gen like let's say it's not the joey king that's running it or whatever it is you know employees unless it is exclusively family members that are running it and operating it which would be interesting i guess no i think you're right because yeah because it's like at multiple locations and how big is the family it's like reviewing chucky chucky cheese because you don't like the rat it's like creepy to you

there's like people work here um so so this company in particular meredith and co uh offered to essentially just like give her make her a ring ring. That's right. And then they had some, they shared some DMs. And then they decided to pull out to not, no longer give her a ring. Because they were in contact with King Jewelers. And got some details from them. Oh shit. Which they shared in this video. Oh shit.

I have all of the evidence from the chelsea king kings jewelers case i'm going to share it with you guys now but firstly as a disclaimer i am not involved with kings jewelers i'm not being paid by them i'm not being compensated in any way i wanted to read his little disclaimers because i think they're valid making this video is risking our reputation as well that's that was the first thing that came to my mind we already have received several one-star reviews that sucks oh because they like pulled out of the or or even like now that they're on the side of king's jewelers and then i'm like i don't know i was i maybe it was a little impulsive to leave that comment in the first place it was on this part first i also feel like is it wrong to feel like

the doing the oh we're just little guys thing is a little bit i'm just a tiny tennis player i that does kind of i don't know it's a little doesn't sit right with me tapping the index fingers together it's like i get it like but you're you also have 200 000 instagram or uh tiktok followers and and i cannot get over the like if you're gonna say there's someone like pursuing a a big industry like music and or professional sports very very few people do make it that is like a valid if someone says i'm a just a little one of this i assume like oh okay potentially completely unpaid entirely maybe a small gig here and there i don't even know how maybe the guy teaches tennis and that's how he makes money but then you say ten thousand dollars diamond i know imported like oh well one of those two

jobs is making a bunch of money or they are coming from money i guess yeah that's the other path but i i mean it's like it's weird because it's not that the principle of it is suspicious it's the like lack of evidence that they're giving and kind of editorializing everything without like hard evidence and then like the showing the boyfriend with the bunny is like just completely unrelated to anything it just feels like another way of like look we're just a picture of him and like after surgery like oh look this is when he got his tonsils out. What's the name of this artist? Chelsea King. Chelsea King. Or Chelsea. Chelsea King.

Yeah, it is. Who is Chelsea King? Okay, she is a smaller artist, yeah. Look up a tennis. Is there a tennis potter's profile? Yeah, let me search tiny tennis. She's just a tiny musician. A ukulele is a full guitar to her.

His artist name is Tiny Tennis. Hey, guys. I can ride the ball i'm doing this out of my own volition because i see a small family business with kids my age being targeted and extorted for 25 000 when the items they dropped off were worth in the low hundreds they they do call king a small family business i also don't think that's true. Because if you've got multiple locations. I think they're a big family business.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Technically a family. It's not the same thing, but it's like you could also call Walmart a family business. You know what I mean? Yeah. But that's just because I'm trying to interpret things as they come here. I'm not trying to be on just one side.

But I do think there is definitely a flaw to the level of wealth that a 130-year-old jewelry company has. With multiple locations. I think there's only so small. Operating in a jewelry space. Yeah. So let's go piece by piece. is the initial uncut stone sent to me by david king and more photos as well as the drop-off receipt matching the 999 on the left side of the initial photo he sent me so this is the correct drop-off receipt that's the correct stone it's five six carats max not the 14 carat there's

dawson that um chelsea is stating he he's going a little fast for me because i don't know so he's a lot of reading he said the carrot he said the carrots didn't match up. Now, if you look at the drop-off receipt, which I can tell you right now, the way these work is they ask you for a stated value. If you don't state a value, you don't get more than

the maximum on the receipt. And stating a value does not cost you anything. There's no insurance cost for that. You just state this is worth $10,000. So if they paid $10,000 for the tanzanite, Dawson, when he dropped off,

should have said this is a $10,000 tanzanite dawson when he dropped off should have said this is a ten thousand dollar tanzanite it's very possible that this shaman was not a great financial third party he was like yeah i found it what is his source for getting this tanzanite it could be uh ten thousand dollars of a different currency maybe a more inflated currency it's yen um what a really shitty diamond the uh but also uh that receipt with nothing marked like that doesn't tell me anything because it's a fucking scan and that's the easiest thing to photoshop in the world so this is a little bit like when someone uh is really into a manga and you're like oh what's so good about it and they start like five sagas in yeah no no what is but

what's the premise of it but look at you know stage five so he's activated his fifth gear now yeah yeah this sounds boring all right that is and it's and this is initial d no it's one piece no what are you talking about wait but why did why does he have a gear i thought it was why did i ask you about initial d also shout out initial d shout out to cars seriously shout out to cars shout out to fifth gears this is a ten thousand dollar tanzanite he didn't because it wasn't and he was lying so um that's why it's not stated on the drop-off receipt and that's why he's limited to eight hundred dollars in compensation legally oh eight nine dollars we should have audio listeners there's

a lot of text corrections that keep coming up but then it's also like that's what we were talking about too because it's like you have to have signed some sort of form and obviously signing a form doesn't mean that you're like spiritually waiving your rights if you don't know

or like the appropriate disclosures aren't made the shaman can when I ship a package and they're like what is the value of this package i'm like say i'm not saying nothing i don't know you figure it out and then as soon as like as soon as my deck box is not delivered i say oh it was a billion dollars come to think of it it was actually made out of the blood rubies now i'm scratching my chin hmm oh that christmas card i said oh that was one trillion dollars come to think of it just a little guy just a tiny podcast guy i only fit inside of i fit inside of a bean this is a lav mic yeah this is a lab when i hold it it's like a big one yeah we're um i'm like the

uh what's the oh thimble i'm like the i'm like the thimble piece in monopoly. That's what, that's what I, I'm just, I ride that little dog to work. Here is the demand and the better business Bureau for 25,000 from Dawson because of, um, you know, he wants to be compensated for plans he had and trips he had planned and all of the other things, as well as the heirloom value of $15,000 for a $200 ring and $10,000

for a Tanzanite he got for free after a shaman experience that he paid $10,000 for. Oh! That makes so much more sense. It put us in slow-mo. Yeah, wait. If you're paying $10,000 for a shaman experience you've lost all of my empathy to be fair it did leap out it's almost like if you watch like a movie a drama set in like the 1800s or something and a character

goes like are you okay it's nothing that's almost like set up yeah like we had this shaman experience and that's all i'll say yeah it's all it's it's it's what's what almost like set up yeah like we had this shaman experience and that's all i'll say yeah it's uh it's it's it's what's what shadow heart got over there what's that little thing it hurts what does nothing i don't want to talk about it nothing and i've got this little what's that you're probably wondering what that was yeah you're probably wondering what that was the answer is nothing that's the oh great no further questions that's her best uh passive-aggressive girlfriend moment in the whole game is it when you go usually when you go into like see cargo for the first time she was like ah it hurts being like somebody's mark above her head you're probably what i said

you're sorry are you wondering what that was about no i, I didn't even know I had an AirPod. Oh, yeah. Sorry, I had my medieval AirPod. Sorry, what was it, Shadow Mart? Now, everyone was led to believe that King's Jewelers stole the Tanzanite and stole the ring to make big money off of it. Now, I can tell you after reviewing the photos provided by Chelsea, the description provided by Chelsea, and the photos provided by David, that the total value of the two items dropped off was under $500, period. Under any assessment in material value, under $500, period. Right, because if we know the relative size of these items.

It was very small. In the construction, it was a tiny ring. I know that it can't be worth a lot but i'm like that was like pure gold like wouldn't be worth like that much like you basically you could take the most expensive uh uh material element that it could be made out of and even in the maximal case if they chipped off a little piece of the uncut gems yeah so hold on did dawson think the he was paying for the diamond and the shaman the shaman experience was free it's a deal yeah here's the police report showing that fedex did indeed have the package stolen again chelsea made everyone

believe that king stole it and is profiting off of yeah that's i was always you know okay we didn't see any receipts but you know i'm not jumping to write a google review i just want to like hear out all parties but like if you know which you know i don't know exactly what chelsea knew but this information is available and you didn't communicate that you were seeking to find those receipts even if you didn't have them in the moment. We should know what Chelsea knows. We've seen the next steps. And I can only assume that the whole thing about the Google reviews.

Why can't a company just remove the Google reviews? Okay, that you've jumped to a conclusion. I suppose if they could, that would be bad. If they could, that would be bad. But we're not addressing the other options and the other possibilities so if we start letting immigrants in what if they bring dragons hold on wait would that be bad yes are there any okay that would be bad i guess build the wall dragons can't get over a big wall. I guess it depends on what type of dragons these are.

No. So you're anti-immigration. Oh, wow. Okay, old guys. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm saying we should let the dragons through. I like those ones. No, but.

It is. I guess if his fiction was true, then it would be bad. So even in the most charitable cases, like this is missing evidence. And now it's like, if I'm cynical, that i'm saying you knew that the package was actually stolen and you framed it this way for maximum sympathy yeah and and and i don't want to jump to that cynical conclusion there's like only so many ways that can uh uh that can save chelsea from me drawing that conclusion. There is like, I,

I, we've talked about it. If I, we haven't talked about it a little bit on the show, but like, it is a very good default generally, especially when you're talking about a vague, unaccountable corporation,

right? Yeah. Amazon, let's say by default, take the side of the consumer because it's so much more if i see a kid with a like a bloody nose and then i see a big bully kid i'm just probably gonna assume the big bully fought him and didn't fight back but it's possible my kid was being a little shit and attacked him first it's possible and then ran into a wall and got a brain down i'll err on the side of you know the likely one but it's also like the it always as soon as i saw

that uh you mentioned the figure right that the 10 000 plus the 15 000 yeah nice clean round 25 that's like when i'm like in well and that's a thing you do like in lawsuits and stuff but it's implied damages or whatever yeah but like the damages that you're supposing are like oh these trips we were gonna take and i'm like well what about this what about this ring has to do with these trips you have to put the diamond into a key slot in order to open the door to cabo i was i was going to the pyramids and i have to put this in a door to solve a puzzle right like it's like you don't you can still get engaged because then there's that whole thing where she zooms in and goes we could get engaged with a ring pop and i'm like well then

i'm not saying if you're wrong you're not allowed to complain about it it almost feels like this person wasn't sure if this would blow up and then once it's blown up they're now responsible for some of the consequences of like their uh hyperbole you know never said to do it thank you for doing it legally i never said to do it but this has been so valid it feels so good for heroes to fight on my side yeah which i would never ask you to do and you shouldn't but thanks and you should thank you yeah so here's correspondence from the gem cutter here's correspondence from the gem cutter um talking to the police getting the police report for the oh pause i just there also the fact that there's a police report is something that like was never mentioned in her videos because so much that means that there's

some sort of process of you know like not that the police are gonna find the absolute truth but there's more progress being taken in the pursuit of like what what actually went down here then frankly not on too much honestly the resource is going into i'm a little bit surprised that all this has gone on and there's no mention of it i also does this just feel like it's on FedEx? This seems like unrelated to Kix Jewelry. Yeah. Completely unrelated. But that's the thing. It's like, now, if it was FedEx, good morning, I have received a call from FedEx yesterday

to inform me about a theft in one of their trucks in which, wrong which, contained one of my packages with some Tanzanite gemstones and one gold ring with some diamonds mounted on the specific ring here's the photo from chelsea of her ring here's the photo from kings of the ring without the emerald in it same ring and again here are photos of the tanzanite this is not a 12 14 karat crystal even if it were it'd be worth maximum 150 bucks in this quality but let's say it's five six seven, seven, eight carats. It's worth $100 maximum. Maximum. And they were demanding 25,000 or else, or we'll defame you online. That is the threat. That is called extortion. So to summarize this,

King's Jewelers sent out her project on time. It was returned to them on time. It was stolen from a FedEx vehicle. And Chelsea King is on here crucifying King's jewelers for trying to give her a replacement ring. The sentimental value, I guess, is a part of it. But it is like, it's not nothing. Actually, it does not seem, we don't know for sure that there wasn't insurance on the package. Because that's what Chelsea said. But then in that police report, it said that there was other things. And they're like, it was like was other things and they're like it was

like among the things that they were sending out yeah so it's possible that they sent out a batch of stuff of which chelsea wasn't the only customer that was like caught up and so if they sent out a batch of stuff and didn't insure it that seems weird i don't even know if you can like yeah isn't there's like a value level where you have to ensure a package right which maybe this didn't maybe it doesn't eclipse it yeah i would guess it's under ten thousand dollars but then i guess uh if they're offering it might not even be out of the goodness goodness of their heart it might be for making a positive customer experience so that they do that they did the best that they could but also they could

possibly have like they're not going to get insurance payments until all this police report and shit like that's it's going to even if they have insurance they're not going to see the payment for months and months and months and months if not longer and they're trying to i again i don't want to like feel like i'm going to bat for this random business, but they're, and I'm going to say cynically, I don't think they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. I think they're doing it

because they know if they give their customer a bad experience, they're going to give them a bad review. Yeah. I mean, then they, yeah, they were right. Even if it is or isn't correct. I mean, in the case of this setup, I'm probably just,

I won't pretend there's not bias on my part because, ooh, we're a little musician, a little tennis player. Who knows? The shamans. My name's Dawson Kennedy. I have a small, my father gave me a small fortune of Koala Lamport. It definitely fits into the stereotype of um the type of like spiritual tourism that that like a lot of white people do a ten thousand dollar yeah the ten

thousand dollar shaman experience i'm like that is akin to the ten thousand dollar uh alpha mindset courses that those guys go on it's the same it's now we're talking about a ten thousand dollar jewel gym in the form of a mox emerald a mox sapphire some of the power nine come on now we're talking now we're talking and i will steal the package call fedex call the police i'm on the run come on try and ensure me i'm on the run crushing it i'm on the run crushing it in vintage cube all right sorry trying to list it do that thing where you type in the code to get it on arena free free uh patreon magic episode this week and also uh our merch is still available for another couple weeks we'll let you know when it's about to be gone but for now you can still head on over to sadboys.store and uh if you're a patron there's also a password on the patreon for an exclusive patron color of the shirts um yeah we'll put some photos up there have a little just

dip into sponsor mode i don't think we have a sponsor on this episode so we'll just sponsor ourselves ourselves log me up what be myself that's also thanks for you know for bearing with us on sponsors. It's a thing that we need to do. And there will be probably more in the future, but hopefully we'll mostly... It's YouTube, so sponsorships are a common thing. Yes, I'm fully aware it's an heirloom. I understand there's sentimental value attached, but sentimental value does not allow you to extort a business with threat of defamation. That is a crime. That is called extortion. I also get that it's an heirloom. But if it's an heirloom, I would not, if it's an heirloom that I did not want to risk, I would probably not put it in a situation where I would just use the heirloom as it was rather than like

risk modifying it or like risk anything because things can happen even now i feel like i'm crazy i would take it somewhere that cuts their own diamonds and put stuff i mean i don't know i guess i i you could just be an outlet and you have people you work with, but I don't know where they live. It is fair. This is in Nashville. I saw in the police report. But this is a fair point that if I'm them as a customer, again, I'm trying to be as fair as possible here. If I'm a customer and they don't make it clear to me that they will be sending it away that is a scary risk like yeah there are certain things that i am afraid to ship in the mail that i'd rather like take in person you know sure um or even like find out that oh well this if i know something could

get stolen right and it is purely sentimental chance next time i go on vacation and we're in the same city i'll give it to you then yeah i just i i don't know what was communicated so i mean sentimental value is not a literal number sentimental value is the sentiment yeah i mean yeah there's not some legal obligations like what i really liked it i'm sorry i do think it's a little funny that uh if i go back uh that many generations in my family in this country we get into a dark spot chains sentimental chains i cannot get past the silent what should be a silent part that's like kind of getting said out loud which is like hey guys i just want to check in my one of my ps5s got stolen i have nine uh i just got what was it 15 million dollars from a sale i did the other day but the taxes took five of it

i i do think that you know i have complained a lot less about not having the magic cards from my childhood because I have accumulated so many magic cards that I think I got it. I think I figured it out. You're in your, that was your villain turn. The one experience. I do have a few villain turns. The villain from Madame Web that's always like, I grew up with nothing. Yeah, yeah. I will never go back to nothing.

But I do still, we were talking vhs tapes the other day it's like the sentimental value of my vhs tapes that i painstakingly recorded power rangers episodes on uh with the commercials like i i would pay a large sum to have those even if they're still like deteriorated because that happens to tape sometimes but uh but i don't think i'd request money from um the storage facility i put a bunch of my shit in proportional to how much i liked that imagine if today i made a tiktok about it too like and the thing is like people want to use their goodwill so you just have to i'm like i would be so afraid to do something where i know that everyone's going to be leveraging people's goodwill because they assume that everyone's a good actor and i don't even i'm not saying that this person's a bad person or anything like that but i'm just saying that like from what i know now they've

uh left out very key details it's seemingly so that people will be on their side and i mean like though i would have left out shaman if i wanted to i probably just would have it would have been a five second clip for me like king joseph on my shirt i'm sad about it i don't really it is uh it's remarkable how much damage you can do with absent-mindedness and naivety to be fair in everything here including the not doing due diligence on the price hey we don't know who really much about any of these people, but especially not Dawson. And it seems like he was kind of leading the charge

on the logistics of this, not filling out paperwork, not giving it a price, so-and-so. So he may have just been like Mr. Magoo-ing his way through this, bumping into shit. Yeah, I mean, I don't know much about the life of a tiny tennis player, so. I don't even know how to, because they use a ping pong bat, but to them it's the size of a baseball bat it's like really long and they sleep on it what kind

of response was a mirata and co getting i mean oh yeah can we scroll down to some of the all right relax like now because yeah why does everything have to be something yeah because it's like i hope king jeweler's is loitering up and not saying anything this girl needs to have consequences in court okay okay okay chill slow down relax that's just being uh they're just doing the same thing also dude people are their hearts in the right place but they are not saying the right thing just because i believe my dog is worth a hundred thousand dollars doesn't mean i get him for free because his value is actually zero what are you talking about i don't know if i man a hundred thousand dollars kind of if it is a dog that's almost like not enough that's weird i think if i came up with a vague oh man these

people her original made it seem like it was the tanzanite equivalent of the hope diamond that is really funny so many made a really one one comment up from here what if the boyfriend lied to her about the cost and he still won't fess up out of embarrassment now she's writing for a big yeah exactly like we we don't i like want to i'm still trying to give her the benefit of the doubt but she still did construct the tiktok that lacked receipts and kind of should should have known better you're responsible for literally asked the internet to do their thing no and so i'm like if you if you're aware of the internet doing their thing you know all the stuff that can go wrong with that i didn't ask them to do anything except what they did that i asked for uh she said when she said 10k tanzanite i was picturing this boulder

size stone because i purchased tanzanite jewelry it's not exactly a high dollar stone what did she think the shaman session was um but yeah so just one thing that someone else had pointed out is that she at one point had this. I don't know if it's her home or her family's home or her family's vacation home. But she had a this video on her TikTok that she has since deleted of this tour of this home. She's a candidate she's i mean oh come on what are we talking about she lives on the set of love island yeah i mean that's kind of wild i mean it's maybe the least surprising part yeah is like oh maui home yeah so because like if she's this all happened in tennessee i wonder if she's doing the national thing because of music to be fair unless she is explicitly

saying like struggling financially because she can also be saying i'm just a little musician like scale why yeah and i get that and i get that but it definitely her music definitely isn't what i think a lot of people when they talk about situations like this, especially when they grew up in households with like, not even obscene wealth, just a lot of wealth that gets normalized and they assume everyone around them, roughly their dad makes, you know,

like $80,000 a month. You know, it's going to be a lot of money, maybe not as much as my dad, that kind of thing. Then it also warps your perception of like what struggling is because it because i have not a lot of like kids that like i went to college with one in particular i won't say his name but i did have a specific falling out with him because he kept referring to himself

as working class and his both his parents were retired and they owned like a marketing agency okay and i'm like but you're not and you're just not and it doesn't matter but clearly you want to be because right i don't know what you want to be rich or whatever and he's like no i'm working class i'm i work at tesco i I'm like, right, but it's not, the rule isn't like, whatever the lowest position in the family is, is where you are. Also, it's like,

the thing is like, you don't have to. Absolutely, you don't have to. It's crazy. And he was, he did like two days a week, sometimes,

three hour session. And it's like, you are, you just want the aesthetic. Yeah. It's like, you're allowed to own it. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, are you just want the aesthetic yeah it's like you're allowed to own it you know what i mean like it's like not like you're being rich the reward is being rich

the tax on being rich is not getting to complain about being poor that's the trade-off if uh right right like if i have a rich friend like and they're like crazy right and i'm like yeah and it's like i know people who like came from money but then really want to like make it on their own and acknowledge that they have that safety uh safety net but they don't want to tap into it and it's like a personal journey of theirs i like i respect it and that's fine and i also respect when somebody's like well i'm gonna like leverage you know when um even things like people like living at home with their parents to save money is something that i uh totally respect because it's not something i i had the ability to imagine but yeah yeah yeah it's like and i the the only reason i would ever even be against that is just stupid

capitalist propaganda in my brain. That's like, no American dream. You move out, you buy a first house at 20. Like, yeah, the dishonesty is the only issue.

And it's just own it. I think that that's just like much more respectable. It's like, do you have to have everything? Like, do you have to have the narrative and the journey as well as all the money? I'm self-built. I'm a,

you know, if i didn't have this i'd have to move back to my home in hawaii and i wouldn't get to stay here it's like you don't need to be perceived as what you're clearly like angling to be perceived you don't have to be a movie it's okay it doesn't have to be a movie so you aren't making it by yourself none of us really are. You know what I mean? It's like, cause like,

it's like, I have to acknowledge, even when I tell people like my background, they're like, oh, you've, and you've really done all this stuff yourself. And I'm like,

well, thanks for the sentiment. But like, I had so like so many people in so many places, like really, you know, stick their head out for me. Yeah.

The implication, if, if it is just the effort in and nothing else, many people in so many places like really you know stick their head out for me yeah the implication if if it is just the effort in and nothing else and the implication is that anyone that is poor isn't working hard yeah it's not true doesn't yeah it's like i just gotta make it myself totally okay to like acknowledge your privileges even if you're i think that people don't want to acknowledge privilege when they aren't happy with their position in life because if they're so privileged then why don't they have exactly everything that they want which is i think brain poison that can come from severe privilege because you that's a very valid question yeah and it's like why am i not happy and it's like right not because of it's like i think all of us and

it's like all of us have certain privileges and it's not like a compare it's like when you do like uh trauma comparing trauma you know what i mean like don't do it doesn't make the other one good like acknowledging a privilege doesn't mean you are of such immense privilege it's just saying that oh like as a guy for example i have a different experience online or in public or certain things i don't have to think about than if I was like a femme presenting person. Yeah. Being a mass presenting cis male does not like detract or enhance a privilege or struggle related to race. No, but it also doesn't make like you don't get to pick your strongest. It's not putting out like your best Pokemon.

Right. Like, well well i have this racism and then like a white trans person i'm not trying to fight them on like or yeah it's like if i've talked about being or we're watching like black white uh or like talking about being like profiled in stores and stuff sure that's happened to me but i can also acknowledge that that happens probably a lot less than me than if my complexion was dark oh yeah if i was darker you know what i. If I was darker skinned. You know what I mean? It literally – and where I am. Yeah.

There's so many things where it's like it's not a competition. You can just be what you are. And if you're like upfront about it, then I have so much more respect than if you're like cosplaying like a struggling artist. Yeah. a struggling artist yeah and it the scale matters but also like i think shame and shaming are often brought together as both very practical when in reality they like that's way too broad a brush to feel ashamed can be like a conduit from or into guilt that then you learn from but like a general misery just like feeling shame all the time that's like i that's just i don't want you to feel bad i'm not saying you're privileged because i don't want you to appreciate something that is going on but i am now in my life privileged

yeah and i think it is very disingenuine for me to like yeah i don't want to get a dm being like are you complaining about like chronic pain well you're a youtuber right right exactly exactly very disingenuine for me to like yeah i don't want to get a dm being like oh you were complaining about like chronic pain well you fucking you're a youtuber right right exactly exactly it is i'm not then gonna go like i'm actually not and i've never been on youtube well i do this in my father made youtube so not me i did this in a therapy session recently where i i think i described myself as like having a hard day and then when i was asked to go into detail i was like well it's not really hard because i mean my life is easy comparatively you know what i mean and they were like well just because

you know that doesn't mean you can't experience the range of emotions and i'm like yeah but but then i'm like but i don't want to make it seem like i'm like struggling when i have so many privileges that other people don't and they're like why who do you need to like prove that to and i'm like right this is in private with a therapist i can like i don't have to like hold back but i i think that there's like a balance a healthy balance with that where it's like uh you don't just want to be on one or like you don't want to be on either end of the spectrum the reality is that we everyone has their guard up because they don't want to be on either end of the spectrum the reality is that we everyone has their guard up because they don't want to be the person getting called out in the way we're calling out yeah right now chelsea king because it appears that she's going for the family of

millionaires but i don't like it also matters that like like i i've known actually two very uh two friends of mine from very wealthy families that have had uh some major like medical condition occur in like one of their families or like potentially really like i'm not i wouldn't say specifically but like let's say someone gets cancer right depending on the complexity of it depending on the frequency of it it did cost them hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars and they were technical technical millionaires like they had over a million but not in they didn't make a million you know so it but again it matters that it didn't put them in debt so yes very expensive medical situation be different in

the uk i suppose but this is uh back in san francisco very expensive situation huge uh deficit in wealth their lifestyle inflation i imagine it probably like surpassed the ability to spend five hundred thousand dollars in bulk and out of nowhere but the consequence could be selling the house not going homeless there is like a little bit of space and you know uh well he's a fully able homeless person with no cancer like right but that doesn't make being unhoused good now or easy now yeah it's just like that's why it's like you just can't compare those things i think it's just when you're kind of looking for sympathy online one very uh risky to be doing that because present when you present yourself as someone who needs a lot of sympathy and stuff like that and it's almost like emotionally manipulative to like and you have to it is mobilizing people there's

no way to pretend like if i say to you i go like uh yeah i'm having like a really crappy day i don't really want to talk about it but you want to hang out it's like okay yeah yeah now that is truly just i could use a hand with something with like a vague feeling very like i'm having a really crappy day and it is what jacob did well then i'm like clearly i'm and i'm like well but i won't talk about it i'm clearly gesturing you like to what are you sure because what did jacob do i'm just a tiny little podcast i'm a microscopic podcast dude i can't i have to climb onto the microphone to do yeah you live inside of a little petri dish um i'm ready to get taught a grade to the show two things we don't know for sure uh like it like we're being told that this is a deleted thing of theirs but i i

don't have all the receipts except for there's a king chelsea uh handle that maybe used to be their handle or is currently their handle but i mean we have to opposite we have to operate on this like cafe because we also don't know that it was ever stolen in the first place we don't know that doesn't exist we don't know the jewelry ever spoke to them we don't know that it was ever stolen in the first place. We don't know that it doesn't exist. We don't know that Kim Jewelry ever spoke to them. We don't know that FedEx lost something. He did sign the slip. So then also- But not the amount of money.

The other thing is like, I don't know where this family is from, but big like white family with multimillion dollar house in Maui, especially knowing history of like Hawaii and like the sort of colonization there thereof it like puts a bad taste in my mouth you know like mark zuckerberg is especially buying up tons of land there just for his like bunker and shit like that and it's like kind of really that sucks uh uh the other

thing i wanted to point out is um this is from an account called tiktok dirty deletes which is very funny the dirty deletes dirty deletes we gotcha that's a after midnight show dirty delete i've had to do this before where it's like you're making a video about somebody and then like you got to download the tiktok because you're afraid that they might like delete it feels weird doesn't it all right jacob where does this leave us we got engaged we did it thank you so much genesis diamonds for making such a beautiful ring and thank you dawson dawson designed it it's glad you like it absolutely stunning i think genesis diamonds dad's hand designing it but i've got an idea what about oval what about what about a ring that's like because of your fingers oh my god the comments

i love how genesis diamonds is not proud to show this couple off whatsoever dude check it out siblings or dating i'm gonna go siblings on this one wait where did they say that me oh i'm gonna go um engaging engaged i'm gonna go uh gotta take a vacation to have a. Someone said I can never show my face on the internet again out of embarrassment. He showed it for the first time for some reason. What do the replies say here? What happened? I'll DM you. Someone just said, what happened?

These comments are always so funny. No one can ever make me like you guys. Oh my God. Some people are like king jewelers for the win i think we should tell everybody the story of how it happened this year my parents are renting a house in maui my mom works for the red cross as a translator helping victims of the lahaina fire and oh okay and they asked us to dog sit for a couple okay so that's good so that's still having a lot of money but it is that's no no well i was just gonna say that like that was a very serious like um natural disaster and caused like

tons and tons of displacement uh of people on maui so good it's a good cause and also like completely independent of i mean there is the element of like if they were involved in the real estate and that's a ton sinister thing but there is also the like okay i mean it's probably not like a little musician right i'm still i'm so confused about because so that's a maui connection but i'm still like what's the situation with that house because even if you're renting it that thing is yeah exactly that's a lot of money it's always like it's it's like a let's just say for the purposes of the comments we're making it's in uh tahiti there's so many cynical ways to view this that i'm like trying to not but they okay just keep playing it so we headed out to maui

and i'll let you tell the rest. So when we got to her house, I'd been planning with her little sister for about two weeks prior. We're trying to find the best time to do it, the best occasion to do it, the best spot to do it. Originally, we had planned to go to Hana, which is like a forest, jungly area of Maui. But when we got out there, we found out there were a couple landslides and some beaches were closed. This is just a story about the house getting shut down. I guess the thing that's interesting to me is because they're renting in it to the point where they brought their pets. Yeah, an 18-month lease.

And so I'm confused. And so I'm like, this is all just confusing like so i do want to hear more of this simply because i'm curious how they're engaging with the community yeah this is like dark souls lore like nothing's written explicitly like actually if you read the item description on this sword so that didn't work out day two we tried to go to haleakala, but that was closed down as well, so rats. Well, the thing is, I don't know why these places are closed down exactly, but a lot of places are closed down because of the fires. And the landslide was the first issue, right?

Yeah. It's just a funny way to frame it. It's like, no, rats. We just decided, screw it, not taking no for an answer. We're going somewhere. It's going to happen. So then we went to honolulu bay which apparently has a special place in chelsea's heart um it's very magical

it's very magical why explain that apparently is she from there i'm confused it's got a very special place in our heart okay Okay. She said yes. I said yes. Yeah. It was a no-brainer. It was perfect. It was really beautiful. I'll show you guys some pictures. Will you marry me? Yeah.

There's a minion. Yeah, I did it. What do you mean she's trying to run away? I did it. I did it. My wife. I'm engaged. we got engaged uh getting engaged and vacationing while they're repairing their homeland after devastating fires and that's so that that's what yeah everywhere was closed these people are literally still recovering from a fire that's this this is what

like is going through my head i'm so confused i feel like i'm being gaslit by this video i went on vacation right wait yeah can we look at the replies everyone was having covid yeah they're acting so nonchalant like these areas aren't closed due to a fire that displaced an entire community not not to mention that natives have been asking us not to visit the islands they said not because we weren't taking no for an answer but do you think a landslide was no that just happened i don't that wasn't at you rats that's a devastating fire that displaced so many natives it's such an inconvenience for your engagement plans i'm that's why i'm so confused can you look at the replies that say we're struggling artists who dogs it for our parents in maui yeah and then look how romantic you got engaged surrounded by

people who just lost everything still struggling just to exist i literally think there is a certain play like a level of comfort in your brain where you don't understand how bad things can be like you hear that and it's the same as hearing like yeah i heard fire engines the other day i think there was like a house fire yeah and not understanding that like this is like a national event like it is i mean yeah i mean like i uh you know went to pokemon worlds this year in hawaii and i really like wasn't sure about going for this exact reason and it was only because i had two friends there who are native hawaiian that i was going to be able to visit and like see their hometown and like feel like i was getting to like connect with my friend and also their their home their home and their family and

you know like places that were sentimental to them i like didn't feel like i was like purely just there for like tourism or something yeah it's just i think the weird skating around like their inconvenience being like people's entire lives communities being destroyed and that was like a landslide or some bullshit something i don't know rats um okay rats is really that's because also i was like okay her mom works as a translator for the red cross and they're helping victims so does that make all of this okay and like i don't think i'm the person to decide on that and so that's why i was like looking at the comments for and it is completely like immaterial to the whole king jewelry situation which is just has nothing to do

with her financial situation it just has to do with uh at worst lying at best uh being naive let's say yeah can we go to the very last? This is great tea, piping hot. Can we go to Chelsea King's most recent post that's unrelated to anything? I just want to see if the comments are still being like. Very funny third thumbnail. Have you ever tried apple cider vinegar, honey, and hot water in the mornings? It smells really bad, but it's really good for you, and it's good for your vocal cords.

That's what I had this morning wait pause so the ring was a lie i gave those jewelers a one star on google i feel terrible well that's nothing you can do yeah everyone's like have you ever tried to lie about a small visit wait can you go to the replies on that one it's just i didn't really give them one two tikt TikTok is such an unserious place. It's okay, guys. It's like, you know, hey, you spend too much time online, you don't know how to communicate. It's okay. Just don't leave comments.

But I did feel like this is a thing where they're, like, posting through it. I mean, yeah. It's so weird. It's a pretty funny one. It's like, why not just acknowledge it? I guess maybe it seems worse. I don't know. I mean, it's kind. I don't know.

It's kind of like just what are you going to do? I'm posting it. Alright, well this about wraps it up for today's episode of Sad Boys, but we're going to keep the good times rolling. What the hell? In the distance I think Jordan's seeing a bonus Patreon

episode of Sad Boys Nights. Oh, it's like a bonus Patreon episode of Sad Boys Nights oh it's like a full length episode of the show that's bonus only for $5 patients and above yeah exactly

and that's available at patreon.com so Sad Boys yeah that makes sense oh it's getting closer it's getting closer and it's gonna start right after this

but we end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase we love you and we're sorry boom it's the beginning of Nights

it's the beginning of Nights oh it's night time the birds whatever what's up everybody hey i'm gonna go pee it's the continuity yeah we're doing it for continuity and then i think after this we'll do the magic moment this magic moment maybe that's what we'll call it your mind is the scene of the crime oh i know this oh inception yep yeah i like that uh the story of a lifetime that's a good it's a pun oh uh forrest gump yep hey i was thinking benjamin button i mean technically yeah exactly story of a lifetime that is a weird movie because what

if you had to describe what for gump is genre what like like it's a drama it's kind of a comedy but like if i say i love the chocolate it is easier to pitch lord of the rings yeah just being like Moving on. How she dead looking, that future girl. Future girl, yeah, we on now. Take my money, go away, all you want is. Girl, you're too rich for me.