Sad Boyz - They Want Influencers Banned From Hollywood

Episode Date: March 21, 2026

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Welcome to Sadboy. It's a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. I have a statement. What's the statement? I have a statement to all of I, you Euro freaks. We weren't talking like before the show and you were like, I'm going to save the xenophobic thing I have to say for the show. I was like, you're okay, I guess. Xenophobic, I guess, implies a lot of bad stuff. Can I say it? They call it the ultimate life form. The Zenomov kills people all the time. And we're supposed to. reporting this thing? I've got a pain in my chest about that. Is that what they do? No, it's alien. Yeah, those are the xenomorphs. Boom, did it again. This guy's seen a movie. I don't know if

this is controversial or not. I cannot abide by this using decimal points in place of commas in place of decimal points. Yeah, that throws me. If I say like, I mean, what's the, the Swedish currency is called like garbles or something, right? That's the propaganda minister of... 100,000 gobbels has two periods of it. And then a comma at the end. Sickening. What are we doing?

I also feel like the scientists have to get confused. Like, they've got a code switch. It's true to hang out with Europeans. Scientists have to code switch a lot because like metric and imperial and stuff like that. But I mean, if you look at the amount of disasters that have happened when they forgot to do the switch. Stop putting that on that. I mean, like, it's tough. You know, maybe it's because it's like low stakes and it's nice to get your fussiness out on things that ultimately don't matter.

So you can maybe be a little bit more critical about things that are important. But there is, I do constantly catch myself having, like, cultural biases. Not necessarily just for like where I'm from or where I grew up, but mainly for like where I got comfortable with something. Like, I don't know if this is a common experience, but like growing up, we never talked about temperature. like ever like it's hotter it is it or it's cold or it's i mean it's also england i was like raining or it's humid but then i moved to the u.s and then it happened we started talking about it and now i'm i'm a fahrenheit and i can't stand Celsius it's too confusing me well you just don't like the caffeine hey come on right hey here's the thing oh no no no get this photo away from my time i have like a

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Are you serious? I mean, it's not combinable with other sales or promotions, but, you know, thanks to hear of Forge for sponsoring this episode, especially Jordan thinks who, because he's, he's not shut up about it since we found out. How much do you know about the tech entrepreneur, billionaire, venture capitalist, Mark Andreessen? very little but I'm familiar occasionally he's very annoying

yeah but that's more because of his that is literally his job is to be annoying well here's the thing so he is a billionaire he is a I just got to say from merit you know

at a time it is one of those things where it's like you did something that was meritful and then the rest of time have continued every second the second log. So he's one of the creators of Netscape, which is one of the first, like, web browser companies. So meaningful, like, contribution to the internet. Big thing. In the 90s. Maybe not a billion.

Maybe nothing is worth a billion, to be honest. So, so here's the thing, though. So he has a, he has a venture capital firm called Andriesen Horowitz with Ben Horowitz, who is a another VC guy. And these are both people that in my past life as a tech professional, I, bordering on idolized because they were like lines of the industry and and I guess if you're not Catholic you can't understand why the pub's so cool right but like yeah one point in time it's like wow he built something so big he's also famous for having a big pointy egg head whoa whoa whoa whoa this looks like when Brian Cranston came back to do the breaking bad movie but didn't want to shave his head yeah I was saying this looks like if dr. Eggman shaved his mustache it looks like when somebody when anytime

somebody dresses up as Northern Lion. It's like if a Humpty Dumpty got an NBA. Pre-crack. How do we know this isn't a men-in-black situation? He actually has a little guy in there and he's like, Orion's belt. Orion's, bu-b-b-bh. So Mark Andreson is in,

I wouldn't even say hot water. This is like, okay, Mark Andresen was in lukewarm water. Oger. Like the end of a bath. Like the end of a bath. And he, using his billionaire techno, like ingenuity, has managed to turn that lukewarm water into scalding hot water.

Brilliant. Genius. And this is... That's the accelerationist mindset right there. And you're very familiar with how these, like, tech luminaries like to treat themselves as if they're the first person to have an idea. Oh, yeah. And so this is...

No, there's actually some stuff you can eat inside the avocado. So we're going to watch... I actually don't eat the big rock in the middle. You gotta look out. What you're gonna want to do is swallow the whole thing whole? Yeah. Like an egg head? It's got a shaped like my head now that I think about it.

I'm kind of like there's a. There's a pit in here. My brain is actually a big black stone seed. It does. He looks. He has like Mojo Jojo's special stroke. His head stroke keeps going. Maybe he is a genius.

It's Android 20. It's Dr. Shiro. He's got extra. He's got like a flesh. He's got like a piece of flesh. tape over his exposed brain. But anyway, we can watch this clip. Normal guy.

Normal head. This is one of those podcasts that is, you've never heard of it before, but it's like, Brad Johnson interviews Barack Obama and just like, oh, okay. And then like the episode number is in the thumbnail. It's episode 9,000. Every single one is the guy going like, but like, what if your computer was really, really big? and then you could, but you still were able to get it home.

No, come on. Lex Friedman has, he's got a slightly deeper voice. Oh, yeah, that's right. A slightly deeper voice and less dynamic personality. That's, I feel like that's a sigh up. Anytime I see a Lex Friedman clip, I'm like, is this a joke? Like, is the joke that he's boring? Is this the A16Z podcast?

So this is like to out myself, I remember like, I used to, I interviewed it a couple of A16Z portfolio companies. You know, they were early investors in Facebook. Open AI. If it's anybody's first episode, those are things that Jarvis is still very heavily invested in emotionally and financially and is a big fan of... I'm mostly focused on like peptides in the path to AGI. Oh, that's right.

Me personally, I'm more of an artist, so I'm largely focused on rehabilitating the image of comedians that rightfully got in trouble for being predators. Yeah. What I do is I bring them on and I say like, comedy doesn't matter if it offends people, you know? My friends, they're killers. They're fucking comedy assassins. A takeaway just from looking at this. page of the channel is that CEOs and billionaires look very normal.

So here's the thing, though, and it's interesting to look at something like this, because these, a lot of these people are people who I genuinely respected for a lot of my like early career, like my late teens, early 20s, basically until I started to like kind of become a little spoiled on the tech industry in terms of cultural standpoint. And so... You don't know what you don't know. Like, I've read Ben Horowitz's book. I believe it's called The Hard Thing About Hard Things. Yes. Oh my God, I've read his book,

I guess. I didn't know I'd read his book. Yes, yeah, I've read Ben Horowitz's book. I've... So many of that exact hardcover in the patron. Oh, yeah. But the thing is, like... It's like, it's not saying that these people don't have anything of value to say. I think they've just been at the top for so long. They've been nothing but huffing the smoke out of their own ass. Like it's like they're just high on their own supply.

And it starts to create an oroboros. Like an athlete never retired. And then when they were clearly losing constantly because they're like in their 70s, they were like, something's wrong with this game. Something isn't right. This is actually the game's fault. And I'm going to explain to you why because I'm older. also can I just test a theory real quick if you scroll up a little bit a little bit on this page

a little bit more there was a thumbnail with Andrew Huberman in it I can go on keep on I'll stop you there he is the peptide revolution okay focus on his face for a second Jacob I want you to like scroll up and down really really fast just like make it vibrate try out of oh hey he stopped Andrew Hibum Also, the other thing I was going to say is, like, if you saw these thumbnails on an account called like the Enlightened Patriot or whatever, you, the thinker is their profile. Yeah, you would, you would immediately go, these guys are, you know, they're selling snake oil.

But the only difference is these people are billionaires. Like, they are extremely influential in some of the most influential tech companies. and tech has now, because of this, like, we're gassing up tech for so long that, and kind of so much speculative value that we've, like, minted this new, like, ruling class of billionaires that all come from, from the tech world. Now the, like, country, the world at large is getting the same propaganda that we did when we were in the bubble, getting the same pitch that this is the height of This is the height of human intelligence and

If you Wear crocs instead of dress shoes it increases your meeting proficiency by like 8.1% I was really I was skipping about every 10th heartbeat and so I had like a existential crisis because I'm like all right You know I need to call 911. It's just like in my this is a caffeine thing which is our thing happens right after that I think But he's good if this is his speaking patent you should not have caffeine. It's a Kermit the frog with Adderall. It's Ray Romano Ray Romano one two X speed you said something that I love and I never hear other entrepreneurs talk about, but I think it's super important,

that you don't have any levels of introspection. Yes, zero, as low as possible. There are so many things I wanna. It's very introspective thought. You have zero introspection. That cannot be true, first of all. But also, I do not think that they continue to talk about interest. Like, I do not think they're introspection is the appropriate word for what they're

about to talk about. Yeah. They kind of blend introspection with other stuff. Yeah. Why? Move forward. Go. Yeah, I don't know.

I've just found people who dwell on the past, get stuck in the past. It's just, that's not what introspection is. That's, I think he's talking about rumination. Yeah. Um. Or even guilt or. Yeah. Like, he's, I think he's talking about thinking.

Like, if he means no introspection, I mean, that's like a bug. A bug has no introspection and it just keeps going, right? Like, it's raw instinct. And that's what he wants, he wants to be the bug of Silicon Valley. Yeah, he wants to be a bug. The cockroach, the impossible to kill. Just go. He's an aunt.

He's just going on instincties. You imagine how good it feels to be a bumblebee and find a flower. You're getting the nectar and you go back to the hive and the queen's like, bro, yes. Nice. Kiss on the cheek. The interesting thing is that like this is the type of mindset that our society selects for in these sorts of, in sort of these positions. of power or positions of extreme wealth. And for those people, they think they've won.

They think that they've actually achieved the role credits of life because... Holding the trophy. Because I'm holding the trophy. And it's really interesting to think about, like, I wouldn't trade my life for this billionaires because I think they're fundamentally, like, one-dimensional and, like, sad. It's, honestly, it does genuinely feel a little bit like, would you trade it with like a house cat? Yeah. Where it's like they're probably fulfilled, I guess, but their scope of the universe is so like, they have access to everything, but their life and way of thinking is so narrow that they can't engage with it.

But the issue is, it's like if a house cat was a hundred times the size and you had to interface with that, the house cat was also inside of your parliament. inside of your Congress. Yeah. And you have to consult it. Yeah, you had to consult it. You put down two beds. It doesn't speak the language you speak.

It values like very different things. And it only wants like bigger litter boxes and more things to scratch. Interesting. I guess that's good then. Because the cat's really big. So it's probably right. Yeah. And it's like if it moves suddenly,

it could destroy. It's like a bull in a China shop. A little bit like Tom Hanks from Big. But instead of a toy. It's like, you know, some website where you use your phone to scan someone's race. And it's like, it's always a company like that. And he's like, and then I will go, I will go a boat. And I wouldn't have any inspection.

And I like my favorite car is red. And you're like, oh, wow, you have a baby's brain because you've had no need to evolve. First form was perfect for you. There's no challenge, right? Anytime that big tech people like this guy were criticized by more progressive people or people who thought about humanity, they just changed the game so that they didn't have to think about that. And that's like put us in the situation that we're in now.

They worked hard and changed the game. Yeah. So to make more people suffer. It's a, I think, Javis, you'll definitely recognize. is this. And Anastasia, I feel like you might recognize it also from a very specific kind of San Francisco, like dialectic, like the verbage that he's using. There is a, it's almost like weaponized incompetence, right?

Where it's a very classic dude thing to do to take something that is just a missing skill or a, like a flaw. elective flaw. Like, I don't really want to change. I don't want to do the dishes. I don't want to whatever. And like intellectualize that. Intellectualize it to be not only better and optimal, but also manlier. Like that is the classic is. And honestly, it's like when Andrew Tate tweets that reading books is gay. Yeah. I'm not scared of it. Yeah. It's not. And I can read. I don't have to sound out the words as I go through them. Okay.

My brother doesn't have to hold my hand because I'm worried what end is, how end is and I know I can buy bigger pants. but I don't want to. I want a little suit. I want them to be skin tight so you can see how big my thighs are. There's no like, and I've been guilty of this as a teenager.

Yeah. But you have to, it's like, I didn't get, like I don't read really anymore, much of a reader. And I was never much of a reader as a teenager. If somebody, when I was a kid, was just like, oh, you should read like, books are good.

I'd be like, um, games exist. Seriously, you're still reading. No, the thing I am, is not only the more moral choice, but it's the more optimal choice, as opposed to the tiny moment of vulnerability where I actually go like, maybe I think I just need to maybe make a more conscious effort to.

I'm a little two-second stream oriented at the moment. That's not like, it's like this, the thing I was associating it with was in, it was at Patreon, but it was in like the atmosphere in general, is that constant attribution of things you like or want to do as something related to work or personal growth. Like, no matter what it is,

it has to be like life independent, balancing it with your work, absolutely enriches it and vice versa. But the, I have been getting really into apples. The apple flavor has been informing my meat. It is a little bit, like, it's kind of now can be synthesized into,

I really like apples. Here's what that taught me about B2B sales. Yes. And here's what that taught me about why pear eaters have no idea what they're doing. And I think that like there's another thing here. And this, when we hit play,

I believe that it will kind of hit on this, which is that as a young man, trying to find my way through the world and also feeling imposter syndrome and like I wasn't optimizing enough. I wasn't grusseling and hustling hard enough. A lot of, I read tons of self-help.

I read self-help about mental health. I read self-help about about workflow management. I read freaking David Allen's Getting Things Done The Art of Stress Reproductivity Good book by the way Like there's

You know books about management Books about you know And then like your whole world Be how can I How can I turn everything into productivity? It's a period of my life when I listen to Gary V Yeah It's a period of my life when I listened

To the audio book of the subtle art of not giving a fuck And turned it off because I was like This guy is so nauseous That's the thing is there has to be a, that is introspection. That was a moment of you going like, well, I don't care what the rules are telling me. This book sucks. There was a point where I did start to like read stuff or like, whatever. And I would just be like, I hate you. Yeah, it's like I hate you and everything you stand for. Because I start, you start to realize this like myopic like lens through which

they're viewing the world and how, you know, there isn't a varied appreciation. of like despite the fact that I enjoyed like the aspect of building stuff and in technology and that's always been something I was interested in as a kid I had these other I was also interested in Dragon Ball and I was interested in right I used to write like little fan fix and print them out for my friends and we'd act them out in the street and stuff like that and it was a creative writing exercise and so I think that and I used to draw and like and like I think I already mentioned comedy but like just like that like I felt like there was a lot of facets to my life of things that I could equally value yes and I would choose that I had to choose one and I was and I was really

interested in like psychology and I was like very close to studying psychology in college and I think that that natural curiosity and reverence for other like forms of ways of being like is something that helped me form my like helped me like round out my worldview maybe generate some of the antibodies that over time you hear more and more of this and you go no well because you get so you get so you get so wrapped up in this hustle and bustle of everything and then for me like after I graduated I went um to japan and I was riding the shinkansen to Kyoto and like looking out the window at the like Japanese countryside. I'm like, wow, these people live an equally valid life to mine.

Yeah. And do not are unlikely to have the exact same stresses because a lot of the stresses that I have in my life are born out of eating, sleeping, and breathing this like Silicon Valley monoculture. And I was like, huh, file that away for later. You know what I mean? Hold on to that as a cudgel against maybe some biases. Yeah, yeah.

Or then like meeting a someone. like a mortician. I met this Japanese mortician in a bar and via my... This sounds like a quest give-o. Yeah. And it's one of those small Japanese bars that holds like six people. And it was like me, my older roommate, Nick, and then a bilingual bartender. And then like my broken Japanese and they didn't speak any English.

And so we were talking a little bit. And it was like, oh, hey, would you ever like leave Japan? And it's like, no. It's like, have you ever thought about it? And I'm like, wow, like, our path, if I wasn't here, our paths never would have crossed, but you, it's like the saunder or whatever. It's like, you will go through the, you know, a full arc of a very full and valid life that almost never intersects with mine except for this singular moment.

Yeah. And, and, and, uh, I don't know. Like, I think there's thing, there's one takeaway from that, which is like, you're living life inefficiently. You're not increasing shareholder value. And there's another. way of viewing that is like, oh, like, cool. Maybe I'm actually whipping myself up into a hit, a fit about not getting a promotion when actually everything's pretty fine, all things considered. And

what do I actually want it for versus? It is very much that. What like, yeah, versus like almost what's this like religious dogmatic relationship I have with doing the thing. Like, do I like praying every night because it grounds me and I feel a connection to my faith? Or do I like, Or do I? Am I praying tonight because I'll be self-doubting and angry and feel bad if I don't do it? As I guess would be the parallel. There's, um, I forget that you actually, you know what? I just had a really stupid tech instinct. I searched for a specific proper noun, like a specific proper word for a phenomenon I was going to describe.

And I realized that like, no, there isn't one. Hold on. I don't need to do this the most efficiently. I'll just try and, I'll try and, uh, I'll try and, uh, oh yeah, I don't know the good words. So I'll use a few of the bad ones to describe this. So there's like a general, it's a, there's not a big insider or anything, but there's like a classic sentiment of like, um, uh, you know, if you're, if you're caring for somebody who has dementia and it's like up and down and they'll remember

some things, but not others. And you get like kind of, it, it warps time for you as a carer because you, not, I won't go like gaslighting, but their relationship with time and reality is so unrecognizable that it's, It's kind of like the like when you have a newborn and you sleep when they sleep. And so you're kind of always in the moment that they're having and then you leave it for a minute. And you go like, wait, not wait. You talk someone else and you're like, oh, hang on, wait, I'm back with you. Or you're in a relationship that can be like kind of toxic.

And then you talk to a third person and you go, no, that's not reasonable. You're right. It's not right. You realize you were kind of Stockholm syndrome. Not to frame it like that obviously, but just in the instance of. A necessity. Right, right. Where it's like, oh, I needed something to break the cycle.

to break the spell so that I realize that like I'm in an escapable fear of influence. Like this isn't actually the end all be all. I'm not, I can get off of the treadmill. I had the like, there was this like similar I'm imagining to you kind of sitting on the train. I had this very specific moment. I was also on public transport. Huh. Maybe something to that.

I don't know. Passive sitting. I was on public transport and they didn't have headphones actually. I think that anytime that's happened has been like some weird. Unfortunately, I have introspection. I'm cursed with it. Sorry, egghead. Dr. Eggman.

Robotnik over here could never understand. But like, I was on the bus and I was heading home very briefly. I had a flat like 20 minutes away. But I was mostly staying over at the place we'd gone for my mom because that was easier than suddenly needing to suddenly. go and I was on my way home to grab something and I got a phone call from the car and they said uh you want wanted to call you hop on the phone and I as I say seen her maybe 15 minutes ago and she was really upset because she felt like she hadn't seen me in days and I got this

this happened dozens and dozens of times at the time but I was just it's always a little bit of like okay it's because you also you've just left a space where you were on and now someone's like are you ready to be on it okay So like deep breath kind of engaging. And for some reason, the conversation was like, it was actually like very nice. It wasn't stressful at all. And she was like, I'd love to see you soon. And the instinct was always to go like, accent logic.

Actually, we just, sorry, but you know that kind of happened eventually. So you go like, yeah, I'll actually be back in a little bit. We had that combo. I'm sorry if this is an overshare. This is a general. I think just a when you talked about like the meeting that person in that bar in that moment, there is a little revelation I had, and certainly not the first person to have it, but in that setting where like, I would always be agonizing over, well, why, what was the point

of me taking her out on that day trip when she can't remember it right now? Oh, yeah. And then I, after dozens and dozens and dozens of that happening, on this bus, I believe it was the 8B from Gloucestershire to Cheldon, maybe, Gloucester to Cheldon, embarrassing myself. I said the county. Time to kill myself. Being assassinated by the... By future.

Massive. Yeah. But I didn't... On this, on the 8B, got off the phone call and I went like, well, wait, the value of that trip, that five-hour day trip was exactly five hours long. That was the value.

Right. In that exact moment. Because right now, you can... can, we could refer in the abstract to like, I think maybe this is even noticeable. When we talk about time in tech, time in the office at work, we talk about it in an abstract way that can be positive. And we can talk about specific anecdotes. But they're almost always exceptions to what the day to day was, right?

It's a thing. It's like a piece. It's a nugget. And those are the things that flash before your eyes right as the media is heading, right? I think of that bus trip and then the day trip related to it. and all those little nuggets and those things that would not have happened if not for thousands of other dominoes. I think about us meeting that exact setting

in that exact way, that exact time, then where that led us, way more than I do about the tightening the screws of then to now. Instead, it's the checkpoints because that actual, it's fun to reminisce about the thing, but sometimes I feel like I spend way too much time doing things so that. that later I can reminisce about them.

Yeah. As opposed to, and the cliche living in the moment or whatever. But the actual like go to Japan not to see if something interesting happens to then do. Yeah. I went to Japan because I wanted a spiritual journey and for my business. But instead of you went to Japan and then a thing happened that you couldn't have anticipated. Right. And that calcified it.

And now you have that. Exactly. The pocket. The thing that the through line through both of your stories. Public transport. Well, that, which honestly, I think it is really great taking public transport because you are forced to interact with your community. When you are in a car by yourself all the time, you feel like an island and you get angry at other people. But the through line that I see between your two stories is that you had one perspective.

You interacted with someone who had a different perspective. and that made you think, hmm, there's more than just my perspective. Instead of, hmm, you're wrong. Objection. I got up a notice that you don't think very critically and look inwardly. You mean introspection, that thing that's gay?

I only do cool stuff, like not think about myself. If I turn myself upside down, you can write with me like a pen. Bold point, a bold point, bud? There we go. Leave them alone. Like a huge problem in tech, And just like a business guys in general is that they have this weird confidence that they always think that they are right.

Their perspective is right. And I've had this. I felt this from people like when I worked in museums where a guy comes in a meeting and we're like, you're just talking out your ass. You don't know what you're talking about. But because you have such confidence, you're commanding this meeting. Because they're wearing so many scarves. Yeah, that's unfortunately, like, that's the, you know, how to win friends and influence people or whatever. And, and...

They're following all the rules. They're following all the rules. And some of those, like, you can develop a sociopathic. It's like if you don't second guess the using people as tools. Yeah. He's not wrong that not introspecting and taking time to think about things can result in more. career success. It doesn't make you a more effective serial killer.

It's like that's the thing. It's like, but at what cost? Charles Manson read that same book. I love the stuff he said. I'm not a news guy. He's dead, but. So I've read obviously 400 and I think now 10 buyer fees of his case entrepreneurs.

And that was one of the most surprising things. He's like, what's the most? He rap godded for a second. I have. So I figured out what he's saying because when we have this with the subtitles, the subtitles are also wrong. He said, I've read 410 biographies of history's greatest entrepreneurs.

Which is like, hey, that is too many biographies. Maybe read Harry Potter. Maybe read, okay, you know, it's like maybe read fucking, I don't know, dude, read a picture book. Yeah. Like get something else. Like get something else. Biographies of entrepreneurs. Read a biography of Hakito Kodasawa.

Yeah. That guy's biography is great. There's a, I feel like even in those biographies, a lot of times, it's, it's, it's, something that they learned from a completely different field or some sort of connection that they made from living a very varied life that allowed them to kind of find some unique. Otherwise,

it's a boring book. Because it's just, it's a boring movie if nothing happens. I went to school and then I got good grades. I got to good college, studied good thing, got good job. Once I was in good job,

and then at some point or another, they get really lucky. And that's, and it's never, that's inside one sentence. Exactly, yeah. Because they're good. And then after finding that treasure chest full of de blooms,

and you're like, wait, where the fuck was- Which I only found because I'm a genius. How to take your billion dollars of de blooms and invest them into crypto. It's like, hold on. Was it Mr. Chess? Wait, stop, stop now. You've actually got a billion de blooms.

So anyway. Sorry, say what he said again? He has. He read. So this is, he's saying, now I've read, and he also says, says, now obviously, because you know me and you know everything about me, I've read 410, well, 409, no, carry the one. I guess now it's 410. Guess who the fuck cares? Like, if you're

going to say that sentence, just say over 400. I've read a lot. I don't care. No one fucking cares that it's 409 versus 410. I've done the most homework as an adult man. And so anyway, but I've also hung out with my kids almost five times. Hold on. What's the title of this podcast? the world is more malleable than you think. No, I'm pretty aware of how malleable it is. When you have billions of dollars. Yeah, and also it's like those, that trend of like breaking the matrix

or remembering I have free will and it's just like being difficult. Yeah, well, so much of it is, if you can convince the people with billions of dollars that you are going to create value with that for them, then you can quote unquote change the world, but all it really does is,

all it really does is like, make them richer. Yeah, it changes your world. It changes your world as an individual. If we didn't have Uber at all right now, the world would only be slightly more convenient. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

And so it's like, it doesn't matter. That's a side point. Let's just hear about Mr. 410 biographies of history's greatest entrepreneurs. Actually, can you write it back so we can hear him say, someone, let me do a little, let me use, what I got to do. Can we, uh, I know where I'm obviously watching this on 2X? We move this down at all. Wait, actually, for a second, could we see what he says?

sounds like on 0.75. I think it might be almost normal. Yeah, I don't know. I've found people who dwell on the past get stuck in the past. It's just, it's a real problem. And it's a problem at work and it's a problem at home. Wait, that's actually, if not for the like, alias thing in the audio, that sounds way easier to.

There's a bit of a bit of it. It's like you didn't actually say anything faster. You, you, you just said it harder to hear. Talking very fast is a mirage. Yeah. That's actually a great way of seeming like you're smart. Because when you're a little kid, you can't do it. I don't know if really do that.

Oh, right. 410. It seems like he can't waste time breathing. So he's like, yes. I think that's he over-caffeinated. So I've read it obviously 400, I think, now 10 buyer, he's a fish, he's great entrepreneurs. He never said it right. I've read 400

well now 410 of history It's like he forgot his line I've read If anyone's questioning it It's I've read them of history All right we can play it anyway Like Sam Walton didn't wake up

Thinking about his internal self He just woke up He's like I like building Walmart I'm going to keep building Walmart I'm going to make more Walmart And just kept doing it over and over again Sam Walton Which is funny because the first time I

heard him say it I thought he said Sam Altman That's funny. No, Sam Walton of the Walmart, Fortune. That's not true. Yes, he did. He must have thought at least, huh, what do I need day to day? Which may be true, but it just sounds like a hyper-focused to me.

He just likes it. Yeah. You know, I don't have to wake up and think about Bellatra. I'm able to just lock in. Yeah. Like Jarvis didn't think about his YouTube career when he woke up. He got up and he played Roomscape like an adult. This guy, now, I've read Four Hed and Dunders and he had breakfast.

Okay, what? I want to read 410 biographies of history's most normal guys. I could see a world where if I was less like maybe, because I went from like overambitious to under ambitious forced cynical. Yeah, you're like a little bicious, yeah. But I don't like now, now I feel pretty comfortable day to day in like my, what do I value thing?

You know, I don't feel like I'm spending a lot of time going like, what should I believe? It's more a case of figuring it out internally. because I'm inefficient, of course. But like this whole, I can see a world where if I was my current age and still pretty insecure on some level about like my beliefs, my relationship, how much of the world I've been involved in, etc. I can absolutely see a world where I start pointing at the things missing in me or the things that are absent and then rebranding them. Is I like, yeah? Yeah, I'm like, if I'd never moved to the US, right, because I always really wanted to.

And if I'd never moved to the US, I absolutely. would dive into the classic UK thing of like, Americans don't get it. They're nothing like us. They're weird. And it's like, no, we're just sound weird of here. And you probably know if you go back, before 100 years ago, it never would have occurred

anybody to be introspective. Like it's the whole idea. Before 100 years ago, it never would have occurred to anyone to be introspective. How did you say that with a straight face? You mean like the Enlightenment? It never would have occurred 1920. Socrates.

Who? Who the fuck is that? I don't play with toys. I don't care about your little goo. Okay, what about? I'm building Walmart over and over. I'm punching a tree to get materials to build a crafting bench and I'm making Walmart again and again. I'm making Walmart again and again.

And Charmander's going to help. Sorry, I'm playing Popopia. One might, not me, I wouldn't. Would you go to the Sycocratic method? But one might argue that building a bunch of Walmarts has been really horrible for our country in the world. But it made him rich and that's all that matters. It's like you're not even listening to the egg. You're not even witnessing the egg.

Stare deep into the egg. Ponder my egg. You rub his head for bad luck. He looks exactly like. I also just want to point out that a hundred years ago is 1926. That's what I'm saying. Sorry. No, no, but that's the thing.

It's like you think that like the Roar in 20s was when introspection was invented. He also doesn't think it was invented in America, so we can just continue. Yeah. He says more about when he thinks it was invented. All of the modern conceptions around introspection and therapy and all the things that kind of result from that are, you know, kind of a manufacturer of the 19-10s, 1920s. Say more about that. Great metaphysics. Dynamite interview.

Yeah? This is, is, is on one-ex speed? One-X speed. Yeah. It's like a dog year. One egg speed is five times. One egg speed. That's a good shit.

We're paying you this month. Oh, man. Expect a direct deposit eventually. Yeah, as I say, we're a family here. It's not all about money. I get paid at one. Net 900. Great men of history didn't sit around doing this stuff.

At any prior point, right? It's all a new construct. It feels like he just snorted cocaine. I know. He just rubbing his nose. His lips also aren't making words. Like, if you try to read his lips, it doesn't work. He's dubbed.

This was originally in Korean. The sound actually echoes through his egg. And that's how we hear. It's like a cathedral. People say read Shakespeare, but you're supposed to hear it in the acoustics of a guy's head. Yeah. First Western civilization had to kind of invent the concept of the individual, right? Which was like a new concept, you know, several hundred years ago.

And then... There was no introspection, right? And then just thinking about the timeline, no introspection, but we did do World War what. And then later for World War II, we're like, everyone's disrespecting too much. We've got to do this whole thing again. So like nothing was different. And he's even saying 200 years ago, we invented the individual. So I'm guessing he's saying the Industrial Revolution.

So the Industrial Revolution, individual was created. And that was really great because it created all this industry. But individual is actually bad for industry. You know, kind of this kind of guilt-based whammy, you know, kind of showed up from Europe, a lot of it from Vienna. In the 19-10s, 1920s, Freud and all that entire movement. Guilt was an invention by Sigmund Freud in the 1920s. He's talking about like guilt and rumination and not introspection because... You could uninstall your emotions if it would for that damn German.

Yeah, it's very funny to think about it as a DLC we got from abroad. Yeah, and that like Catholicism was built without the... concept of guilt. And also that we had, like, like, we have the capacity for these things because of our, like, physiology and the, like, neurotransmitters and stuff in our brain. So it's insane to posit that we didn't have these experiences because we're wired to have. It would be, we would as a survival mechanism. We would only, yeah, it's like hunger was invented, actually, the day I was born.

And anything that happened before that. I was never hungry. I think we got it from Vienna with other sausages. Vienna gave us a lot of exports. Guilt and sausages. I think that's pretty much where it wrapped up. There were these like oily paintings or something like that. Gross.

In his house, the only art is like photos. Oh, did I found all these oil paintings from Vienna? Nasty, so I washed them all off. Cleaned them. Yeah, clean the beautiful white frames. Beautiful white frames.

Do you think something went wrong when all the king's horses put him back together again? Got him. I think we can transition to his, um, the aftermath. So, um, does he type with no spaces? Marcus Aurelius Meditations. How do you say that?

Like X-16. Yeah, I don't know. 10.16. To stop talking about what the good man is like and just be one. And then a screenshot of the line? And a very bad screenshot. Of that line. And and then you can just look at the top comment.

Seems you missed the part of this book where he's literally introspecting the entire fucking time. Not to mention the book is called meditation. The founder of Walmart, when he meditates, sits down and goes, I want to build Walmart. An entire book where the guy is introspecting. I don't get it. Is this he's doing it?

I'm not owned. Yeah. No, he's like, I'm right. Y'all are criticizing me, but I'm. Look at this dead guy. He's like, why are you? Yeah, he's like, why are you criticizing me? I'm wrong.

And so then, don't make fun of me. I'll shit my friends. It just gets better and better. People are saying he got one shotted by this one thing. Because, again, he was in lukewarm water. This was just a, oh, bad take. Embarrassing. Bad take.

Dek. Dumb. Billionaire being dumb. I've already forgotten about it. Whatever. Yeah, there's a Trump just anointed a puppy, the sara of fucking, a begotten European land. They've started putting like Pomeranian souls inside of every drone. Yeah.

They were like, oh, well. A lot of people getting one shoted by the concept. of one-shodding. And I think that's him to just say, I'm not owned. It's a lot of, oh, he, he is like, this is a master class and I'm not owned. And he powers it up ever so slightly with each progressive tweet. You always hit me with any insult at all ever. I think you're like a little short-sighted.

Maybe, you're that, you're that. Oh. More first, also. Okay. And then if you scroll. As Marcus Aurelia said, fuck off. me alone. What's that?

Whoa. Dude, billionaire. Whoa. And then he like medium, he medium posted. It's like, there's like.

Oh, it's his post? I don't know. We got to scroll up. He wrote it? So he said, oh yeah, he reposted this BR-worded to,

to win it life. It's, I got to say. Wait, what the fuck? The virtue signaling shit of using the Oslo now to be like yeah that's right I wasn't afraid like no you're just got 99 problems but a frontal loan 81 R word

incredible lyric incredible word he's just saying that his frontal lobe is more developed because you can see it I should fucking hope so bad tradeoff otherwise I was like damn it's like yeah it's like yeah you could put more cars in your fucking garage Peter Thiel Antichrist

Mark Andreessen introspection Jacob wants to like that one wait Travis can I just throw out something to crash out like this is now when I imagine someone doing that I imagine them hunched over their phone at home being resentful because you have to right you're focused on it you're posting constantly you're thinking a lot about something personally related he refuses to introspect instead he has a knee-jerk reaction of defensiveness yeah he's out he's outrospect yeah posting because scroll up again what the

fuck is this one not R-worded if your brain is bigger than your balls. Who is this? I don't know. You like found a guy and he's like, this is my favorite guy, I think. He's just Facebook posting. Oh my god. He's back on his Marcus. Look, I'm just saying if I, Marcus Aurelius and Alicia D. Long agree on something, you can assume it's correct. Who's the Alicia? I don't know. This person. What? Oh. Yeah, wait. Maybe, maybe we can click on that. brothers we got a freaking talk how you doing oh is it is a lie about you but there are a lot of idiots out there what he does the christalia mouth yeah when he tucks his mouth into his lips walk away you see what i mean it blows my mind i never knew so that one video where i first

said that i said do it 360 and moon walk away i don't you sir how many can we click through to just see the views on that like is this like what is he know about this this this 45,000 views and he knows it, like just off the time. Well, Alicia Long posted it who he must know. Oh, I guess they got a following. Oh, number one men's community. Oh, is he like, is he, I don't need to know. Is he coming?

Look at this. A million views be R-worded with women, friends, and jobs. Is this guy stupid Andrew Tate? What a miserable yard, by the way. Just nothing in it, dead tree. Wait, every. But a grill. Yeah, he's a man.

He's one of the fellas. I smoke cigars and I grill steak. A slave, or a slate, okay, scroll up a little bit. A slave always believes he's based R word maxing. In, in, in, 41 minutes.

He's done, he's done the thing where a TikTok creator gets one-shotted by a, like a concept blowing up, or let's say a commentary creator gets one-shotted by making a video about five minute crafts. And then he's like, all right, as long as I throw the R word in there, everyone's

We're eating good. To me right now, that shit feels exactly the same as a kid calling me like a poopy head, where I'm like, wow, they don't know how silly that sounds. Yeah. And they think the fact that I'm rolling my eyes is because they've owned me. Wait, this guy says men with feelings are weak. Emotional men are weak. Wait, who is that?

Did you just look at his oldest? Was that twink death? Is his lens smoking a cigarette? This is like he, wait, in the second thumbnail, he's sneako. It feels like he's sneezing. How'd that happen? It is really interesting

to see this random billionaire be obsessed with this like fucking chud. I don't know. He must have gotten linked to one video and that he then reposted and now is like, so just to be clear, the intellectual giants that make him feel confident

is Marcus Aurelius and this guy. That is... That's his company. It's a YouTuber whose thing is using the R word. And introspecting, I get. Rule one of women. This is so funny because it's like, it's like saying, I'm so smart.

And then everyone's like, no, actually what you said wasn't that smart. And then trying to prove you're smart by shooting yourself in the foot. I'm not shooting yourself in the head, dude. Like, why are you reposting? No, well, yeah, because you have to get rid of your brain. And you have to R word back. To shave it down.

Because that's apparently what that means. You fully out of yourself by reposting this. That's a, wait, that's a really cool banner image, though. That's, I don't want to know what it means. Okay, let's go back. Let's go back to scrolling up. Yeah, it's going to be something eugenics. It's like, it is 100% that.

They hated Jesus because he told them the truth. Shut. Oh, that's just, it's not even a customized version in the meme format. No. Just the normal. Girl up. Just a chick track or whatever. Introspection equals neuroticism times narcissism times thumb sucking.

He still thinks that's what introspection means. Wait. Like you just don't know the definition of the word. Narcissism. To look inside of oneself. Of course that's what it is to him because that he has no insights or ability to handle it. He's going inside his own brain and it's just noise. It's like noise.

It's like, I don't fucking deserve this. I don't know who I am. I don't fucking know anything. I look like an egg. What the hell? is going on and he's like wow why would people do that they just feel sorry for themselves and complain all the time and get upset when people are mean online those are the three things he sees when he looks inside himself he sees neuroticism narcissism and thumbs and marcus erurelius how is that not what this crash out is

he's self-soothing yeah he's he's he's literally doing the thing where you cry to release the like what is it like oh the like hormone or i don't know which which neurotransmitter or hormone thing is You release the stuff to feel better. Oh, yeah. Then he said, ratio mean navel gazers, and then he screenshoted his own tweet. Did he not get enough attention? No.

He's not done. He's not upset. He's not done. Weak ratio, sad. Actually, like, it's a really embarrassing ratio, actually. He just keeps post. What? Why does he keep posting?

Oh, does he think the ratio has to be inverted? Like, it has to be fewer likes than... Yeah, it's like, I can, I think if you got 250... It's a terrible ratio. Maybe he's like too stupid to understand. This is why intelligence isn't one thing. My mantra, that's going to be terrible. Okay, we can scroll up.

Cool, epic. He's teenage boasting. Yeah. Yeah, it's like kind of interesting to watch a 55-year-old being go through puberty. Maybe extrospection maxing. Never self-analyze, never think about your actions or thoughts. Terrify therapy cells. With this one weird trick, descend every gradient, become the mirror of heaven and earth.

Is this parody? never self-analyze. That's like not a joke. I think this is like a black pill like movement type thing. But the guy is, are they, well, yes, they are stupid. But like, why are they that kind of stupid?

Like, why are they not, just reading that seems like a joke? Isn't it? Never self-analyze? The thing is, if you look inside too much, you'll realize that everything you value will not bring you happiness. It's scary.

They have the worst result ever, which is looking inside and seeing nothing. It's not even something to analyze. It's the, last episode of Freshments of Bel Air. Yeah, he's looking up at the set. He crashed out, went to sleep, woke up, right back to crashing out.

He's spinning his whole day researching for clever-sounding comebacks instead of... Should have gone to R-slash comeback. Yeah, ver. Instead of listening to his own advice of not ruminating, just taking the L and moving forward with being a 10x Marcus Aurelius, engineer trader, or whatever he sees himself as. I blame LLM one-shot psychosis.

And then that's the thing where it's like, and he's like, one shot. And he's like, okay, Googling for one shot. How should I hone the lips with this? He's got like nine clawed agents like working to try and come up with comebacks for him. Analyze. Run a 16-man March Madness-esque bracket for the best comeback to possibly have in this moment. Shut up.

It looks like R word is coming up a lot. Oh, this is actually a friend of mine, Andre. He's machine learning researcher in Ph.D. We both went to Georgia Tech together. It's funny of those profile pick is perfect for the thingy-so. Yeah. You can see the words coming out of his mouth. I mean, he kind of just clocked him.

I thought Mike was a genius, though. Oh, Mark and Marcus. Mark A and Mark A. And then that's what he's trying to do. Wait, one of them's dead. One of them's egg. Oh. Yeah, that's true.

Which came first. This guy. The Eurelius or the egg man. So this is a post of his from the past. I use Mid Journey v6 to reimagine famous artwork and a style inspired by Grimes. The results are magic, Mona Lisa by Leonardo da Vinci.

It's just him being like, I'm not crying, your cry. He's like, she's beautiful. He's doing, wait, so he's doing default.

This is from the past. This is from the past. That's like default, uh, Facebook reply, whatever. Yeah, yeah.

But for the wrong post. He should be saying like, this or, uh, artists should be worried, but I'm not crying. This is the crying one. His, well, listen, his entire business is heavily indexed on artificial intelligence not being a bubble.

So he's got to beat the drum of AI acceleration. He's crying because it looks like shit. Yeah. He's like, I'm crying. This fucking sucks. So it's like if you looked at the titles of those podcasts and you look at them under the lens of this person, it's their bottom line to be pro AI, all of the things you're like, why AI isn't a bubble. It's like, I'm sure. I've read 15,000.

It's like you go to the like lemonade propaganda channel and it's like, why a lemonade a day keeps a doctor away. Are you getting enough sugar on your teeth? Yeah, 10, 10 lemonade recipes that are sure to improve your sex life, question. And then someone's like, actually, I mean, don't drink too much soda because it can help. And they're like, Marcus Aurelius, I was watching Gladiator. Yeah. Oh, yeah, soda out.

Lemonade is? Is lemonade in a bubble? Don't just hate me. Okay, so enough of this egg. Philosophers hate him. Which is exactly what he would say. I want to talk about the Oscars because... There's a guy, right?

Oscar's not... I mean, Oscar's not a... He's not one guy. He's multiple. He's dead guys. Oscar? No, he's alive and well as a little statue. He was dead and then reconstituted as multiple.

It's like the... Have you seen it? It's... Oh, I thought it was like a honey-I-shrunk-the-kid situation. You have to find the real one. Honey, I shrunk the me. If you get enough Academy Awards, we'll be able to Voltron Oscar back. And then the very best picture gets the big one.

And everyone's mad at one of our brethren. Who we've known about forever. Who we've known about for so long. Jake Shane was on the red carpet interviewing with Quinlan Blackwell, who is another influencer who was like transitioned into being like, She was like a multi-hyphenate model YouTube, like person. That sentence is so baby grok writhing up living. What was it ever concerned?

Quinn. Quinn. Quinn and Blackwell. She was like Big on Vine, I think. Jake Shane. I know her from Twitter mainly. Jake Shane. But variety and other major publications are writing about how awkward they are.

And I do think that it's starting to go a little far. It's kind of how I felt. I don't know. I don't know because I haven't seen the interviews. But I will say that when, and I'm joking about, it's just like an influencer, and now everybody's like, this is why all influencers should be killed. You know what I mean? We can't let them go outside. Like, we should gather them in firing squad mode.

It's so, it's the only take. You know what I mean? It's like the logical end of every conversation. Not like an individual can't do something poorly. They have to be a representative for whatever their class load that is. You know, like every bad improv scene ends in like the apocalypse or something or like ends with something. I've got a gun. Every death.

I've got a gun and I'm starting a fire. It's kind of like that for every online take where the final piece always has to be like they should be sequestered. They must be reeducated and removed from society. Were they working for E? Like who were they working for? Yeah, I think it was Vanity Fair.

Well, we'll see in the interview. But I guess what I'm saying is, why is everyone coming after them and not the people that hired them? It's like bad casting, I guess. Yeah. I mean, kind of both. But it's easier to

point the finger at the person who's faces on camera, right? Exactly. Instead of who knows who is exactly responsible for hiring them. It does a more fun to point at them. But there's just so many influencers where I'm like, they would be great at this. So this was, Jake Shane was invited by Vanity Fair to cover the red carpet of Vanity Fair's, yes, on the,

this on the right there. That's him. To cover the red carpet of Vanity Fair, Vanity Fair's Oscar party. So after the Oscars has ended. Yes. And this is one of the clips that people pointed out. If I had legs, I'd kick you.

Wow. Really good. Like every mother's story, you know, especially. Do you think the kid was annoying? No, I can't say that. You know that kid was so damn annoying. I don't know, but she had a shoes. And it's like, that's the thing.

I think the kid was annoying because of the mom. No, can I tell you something? It's not that it's the mother's fault or the child's worth. It's society's fault. It sets mothers up to fail. You know, even the fact that, like, school gets out at three, but most jobs are done at five or six. Like, like, all those little things are so positioned to just not,

are not conducive to mothering, if that makes sense, you know? Julia Fox for president. Yeah, okay, I feel like we've dragged this on a little bit. And there's a whole. Interesting. Yeah, it's a little uncomfortable, right? Yeah. So for context.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, she handled it well. Was it like, talk about media literacy, getting and not getting movie? Yeah. Do you think Tyler Dirted was cool? Yeah. Yeah, for a little bit of context,

if anybody has not seen, if I had like Zed K Hugh, it's about motherhood. It's about this, this woman who has a sick child and is going through like the throes and, like, difficulties of motherhood. and uh it's really good it's a hard watch yeah and julia fox a mother herself like has a very like valid and

important things to say about the movie and so like his question of like oh wasn't the girl like annoying or whatever was just kind of like maybe not the right question to ask in that moment right like totally it's like the wrong time for a joke yeah even if it was a joke which i he could have been actually annoyed. The framing of the movie is, I can definitely see people being annoyed because it is like a not unreliable narrator, but it's like supposed to put you in the, in the emotional space of it. The whole thing with the movie is making you, like, it's challenging the like social norm of like, you can never say that you didn't want to be a mother or you didn't like it or the stuff you

don't like. So the idea that it's tactless to say the best, I guess. But it's kind of like if going in the red carpet and being like, hmm, I watch that movie, talking, which they didn't. I'm like, even if that's a joke, a little weird right now. Yeah. Okay, because it really just like shits on the whole concept. Yeah. Rose boom was amazing though.

Not snubed. She was nominated, but like she was so fucking good. Shout out Rose. Shout out Rose. Come on the show. And then so a little bit later, Jake Shane I can't get over the name. And Quinlan, are also interviewing Damson Idris of F1. Good Lord. Good Lord. He's handsome.

Yeah, he's a crew. Also, his suit was so. Cool. Yes. He truly is. That's like ultra instinct. He's like raised. He's like beyond.

I actually loved if I had legs, I'd kick you. Me too. Did you find the daughter so annoying? Wait. Oh my God. Brother, chill out. No one said, hey. Stop.

You know how that whiff? I actually did not expect him to do the same. I thought it was going to be about a different movie. Yeah. about a different thing. I can't believe he's... It didn't go over well the first time. Do you think this was the first time?

Or like it worked with someone. Or at least they pretend they were like, great. Like, perfect. It almost seems now seeking the validation of like, someone's got to agree with my take that the kid was annoying. Yeah. Did anybody else find that like the paranormal activity was scary?

Like when I watched that movie, all the cupboards moving and stuff, too scary. I didn't, I couldn't enjoy one battle after another because all the people doing bad stuff. I assumed, the movie was telling me that they were endorsing it.

Yeah, that should be illegal. That actually is a take, right? That's a discussion happening on Twitter. It is a take. It is a take. That's your lot making those kind of takes. If I'm wrong, then say something in your microphone. Too late.

Wait, wait. Wait, no. Also, Damson Idris is me. Someone says something I need to think about. I go, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. Well, also, it's like the shock of hearing that, you know, makes me laugh. How do you respectfully disagree, but also like don't like make him feel bad by like killing his joke? Which is a gift that is he didn't earn here.

That's Damson Idris being a professional. Yeah, that's generosity. It's a generosity that you don't always get from a scene partner. It's like meeting a partner's uncle who's just like, I don't know about this immigration. I'll see you later, man. I don't want to talk about it. Or when you're in Uber and they start saying stuff. You know, it's like, and then I think they're letting women do too much, too much stuff now.

They can vote and I'm like, no, that damn, that's crazy. Wow, I got to, I'll get out here. I got to, yeah, this is actually my stop. We're on the interstate. I'll just, just run me over. No, no, no, there's like a, there's like a cool tire I want to, there's like a piece of a tire I want to pick up. I'm just like, fuck, I should drunk drove. Yeah.

Say that, but, you know it. That happens to see. Mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy, fuck the fuck up. Damn. All right, that's kind of charming me. Not only like saying the same quote unquote joke and topic twice, but whenever he respectfully disagrees, going, no, no, I'm right to it. Okay. So the first, to be honest, the first clip, I was like, he threw it out there.

And then when Julia Fox respectfully disagreed and also like beautifully explained like the, like what the movie was communicating and then supported it with examples. And then he was like, that's so true. He like backed off of it, right? This is crazy. Now I'm back with the boys. All that happened was there was less pushback. It's not like this going like, hell yeah.

Also, this came up. He brought this up as something he enjoyed, right? So it's like, let me. Yeah. So it's like, why would you, why? I don't know, man. And I think people will talk about this. But it's like an interesting place to choose conflict.

with someone you don't know. Because if I'm introducing conflict with someone I don't know, I'm easing into it. Because if you're like a representative for a publication, your job is you're doing your late night.

You know, you were a morning show both ends of the day. You're fluff. You're not, you don't do bits you're not the star. You're not the star. You're trying to get

something from the person you're talking to. You're not the star of the show right now. And you have to love every movie. You can't say, that's the point. You have to be, critically spineless. I just feel like F1 was not boring.

Because here's the other thing. It's like there's a time in place for everything. If you are like now is not the time to get on your critic high horse, right? Like it's like, it's like there's a time in a place for everything. If I'm the greeter at Walmart, I'm not asking people their politics. Does they come in? That's not what my therapist starts talking about their week. I'm like, oh.

Yeah, time in place, buddy. He keeps saying, yeah, that was one of my favorite. too. So he liked the movie and I think a way that he could have talked about this in a much more like, like nice way would be to say they did such a good job of making you feel the pressures of being a mother with all of the, the kid yelling at you with, which is what the movie is. The movie makes you feel what the main character of the mother's feeling. Did you all see die, my love? Anybody? No. I know. Nobody really saw it. But I haven't seen, if I like that kick you, but in Die My Love, there's a part where a dog is whimpering.

And it is so annoying, I guess, is a word you could use. But it's extremely like- It's cold as all spiking. Yeah, they're doing it to evoke. You know what I mean? And so it's like I can acknowledge that I'm feeling this thing because the movie wanted me to feel this thing. Yeah, this movie made me cry. I think it might be evil.

Right, that's kind of... The movie's mean. I was annoyed and the thing is, I think it's like, if I was annoyed by something and it wasn't intentional, then that's one thing. Yeah, a bad mix or something. If it's clearly like the point, if it's clearly like trying to communicate something, then it almost doesn't matter that you were annoyed because you were, you could be like they created an uncomfortable soundscape.

Yeah. You know what they only think the movie was about? Intentionally, yeah, I don't know. It's a fact just hanging out. Okay, okay. Let's... Well, I guess he didn't see it probably. So that's the thing we did to.

Well, I'm also thinking like this is probably like, I do think primarily he is a comedian. Yeah. And so I think probably another aspect of this is that a lot of times when he's hired for stuff, it's for him to be a comedian. Right. Which is not necessarily like the point of this job that he has been appointed. Yeah. He's doing Billy on the street. But I also think that like I mean obviously it's it's tough to compare him to someone like Conan

But Conan does such a good job of like make pointing a joke somewhere But still bringing you in no And like I feel like this is a little like let me stand alone and like do my do my thing and it almost feels like a Frame off and unfortunately any of us are getting frame bog next to the Jamson Idris Yeah, that's true don't don't punch Thanos Yeah even that hosting the ox off is like a different task than having to interview people on. It's playing your role, like an improv when like the scene is about something and then someone comes in and tries to be like the funny one in the scene rather than like supporting.

Because like to set them up in a way like when you say, oh, the daughter was so annoying, mommy, mommy, mommy, how, you know, you're supposed to be like setting them up to respond to you. What are they supposed to say? And now you've created an awkward landscape for them to respond. respond within because now you've critic, like they're, they're at work. They're at work. And if I'm an actor, I'm not trying to go off on film makers who might hire me. This beloved movie that resonated with a lot of people and would also be like somewhat problematic to say these things you're pitching to me. Um, ha. Yeah. Well, and for poor Quinlan Blackwell, like, this is another reason why I'm kind of sad about people saying,

influencers should never be hired for these kinds of jobs because she's doing a great job. And he's making it awkward for her as well. It's like making it awkward for everybody. Yeah, like she now has to like pull things back and be the responsible. Yeah, now I'm having to mop up after you pissed on the floor. Exactly. It's like they shouldn't hire, perhaps an interest to be a real F1 driver. He just played one in a movie.

But like it's like not that I don't know. Like they, hey, I don't know, Shane, you know, but he is. is presumably quite funny in his own thing. Yeah, Drake, Drake, Drake,

yeah, the quarterback of the... That's a tough one for me. Jake Shane. Two first names, two first names. The thing is, I have seen a lot of discourse about Jake Shane's stuff,

but I don't want to get to that until we've watched more of these clips. So let's see how Damson Idris lands this car. They fly, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The fuck up. Damn.

Oh, my goodness. Going through it. Well, So was her mom. It was good. It was a lot of fun, though. And it was a great year for film. It was a little of them.

It's like the moment where I realized I've gone too far. It was a lot of fun though. It really was. It was. What a jaunt it was. Oh, my God. Through all the, you know, horrific realities of motherhood. I love that kid too.

I was just kidding before. Joshing. When I went full scream. There's something really funny about that as it gets more uncomfortable, the screen gets so little and they just shrieggy. so little and they just show you Ed Norton. They're like, we're cutting you off. To show you a guy, everyone hates.

Another funny moment that people were pointing out was the interview with Chris Jenner. Flash of the Titans. Every time I see Chris Jenner, she's 10 years younger. Good. How are you? I'm incredible. How did you get this gig? I love it.

I don't know, honestly. but you know what you are the hardest working woman in Hollywood of all the time people just thought it was funny how did you get this gig I'm like do they

did there was there any discussion before that or had she heard something like what yeah but she must be familiar like she just clocked I think she's probably familiar with him yeah because I didn't so I'm so interested in the access like Hollywood access

Hollywood I'm so interested in the access Hollywood I'm so interested in the access of like the celebrities because the thing about Jake Shane is that he does all the it does all these mainstream interviews with celebrities but I don't know how or why yeah like well he has a podcast right no no no that's what I mean but I'm like when we have a podcast too and I'm like why don't we have never had why don't we get like big celebrities but it's I think he's one of the examples of someone who was sort of in invited into the mainstream through uh like He has a role on hacks.

Yeah. And so that's, I think. I think if we were making a concerted effort to, it's like, like, every journalist in the White House Press Corps is not the best journalist of their, like, it's not just the 50 best journalist ever born. It's the 50 most wanted to do that journalist. Or the most pushed for that. Like, access journalism.

We say yes to this and we push for interviews with so and so. And we like, we're asking our management. Like, I really want to talk to this. person it's its own. And then it eventually like becomes a self like a sustaining thing. But then also I've seen people talk about how he doesn't ever challenge anyone on his actual podcast. And I found that really interesting because why in this context would you challenge them if you

don't challenge? Oh, he's like pushing back more in this. Yeah. That's what I've. Maybe it's the adrenaline. That's what I've heard at least. It's, um, what's another? Maybe it's nerves.

It could be the whole like, um, you want to. get like one good joke. You know what I mean? Like establish yourself as someone that can hang, but you're meeting a new person every 10 minutes? They're like,

do you think he was a robot? That's the other thing. Maybe got bad advice. Maybe they didn't give him good advice when they gave him this job. He was like, I need to talk to someone to prepare him for this job and then they introduced him to triumph the insult comic dog.

Also, from 2003. You know, on Wikipedia, it says that he wanted to go towards traditional media and signed with traditional agencies like UTA. Yeah. So I do wonder if they're pushing him in this direction as well. Yeah, but I feel like even when you have that representation, you still need,

because I know loads of people who like are repped by UTA who like, they still have to like buy in to whatever you're doing. For sure. So I'm just so. curious, like this, like how this like all led this direction. Um, so variety wrote this piece on the whole ordeal, uh, titled, Jake Shane's questions that the Vanity Fair Oscars party prove influencers shouldn't be red carpet reporters. I'm down, but it's like, um, Daniel Dadaria.

And this, I think opened a lot of discussion on Twitter. They're famous celebrities. They can tank a little bit of awkward. It wasn't like, he didn't. like grab their wrists. It is a little bit like, I'm like, yeah, there's a part of me that's like, let's pump the brakes a tad because it's like no influencer should talk to Chris Jenner, mother of famous influencers.

It's like, okay, if you want. Like, yeah, they're reality TV stars, but like, where do the million dollar brand deals come from? It implies like this, uh, uh, journalist class under the age of 40 that kind of doesn't exist anymore. Well, and that's partly some of the discourses about that. You know, Washington Post laid off like a ton of journalists. Like, we live

in an era of like access journalism now where it's like if you just don't like speak lies to power, if you just don't like kind of tow whatever line they want you to tow. There's like a big dearth of like independent journalist or mainstream journalism that's like doing like obviously

like the journalists that are employed are still doing a good job. But there's few and far between. We're constantly seeing people like laid off. And it's like, more and more people are becoming independent journalists that you have to like subscribe to, which is. Yeah. Hard to do, you know.

This person who, you know, they work at variety or their former chief correspondent at variety actually. But they are talking about how like this job for journalists is extremely specialized for like studied hosts and entertainment journalists, et cetera. And it isn't the type of thing that should just be left to. not anyone off the street, but just someone who's unprepared. I don't think that influencers are a monolith. I think that if someone was well-studied, they could do a perfectly good job.

Yeah, there are so many influencers that talk a lot about movies and who would be very, like, well-suited for... If I was doing this job, I would... Hey, Java shouldn't get hired for software engineering. He's an influence. It's like, yeah, but you did go to school. It's like, what were you before? Well, that's the thing. It's like if I do improv. or whatever.

It was like, hey, that was actually pretty cool. You almost knew what you were doing. Influencers never know how to do. That's weird. It's like, it doesn't,

life doesn't start on the first video. It's like not anywhere on the like, uh, tier list of oppression, you know, thing, but it is an interesting like derogatory, like influencer.

It's also just a terrible term in general. But, uh, I, but again, like, I think that this is well, like this is a reasonable point.

Yeah. Like you, should either be studied or of this of this craft but here's the thing okay well there's two things about it if i'm hired for a job like this or if i'm like doing something like when i was doing the we did the ultimate improv show right and then i was like having dan give me like the show lowdown and he's like oh i appreciate that you did that because sometimes people are like i've i know i've seen shows like this before and i'm like well i'm in your house yeah so i want to do what you need do i wear the shoes? You know what I mean? It's like shoes on shoes off. You know what? Like that type of thing.

I'll do the common one. And I kind of believe in like if I'm coming into your house and your space, I'm going to pay reverence to like what you need for me. I and I don't know enough to say that Jake Shane didn't do that or wasn't given the context or you would think that an institution like Vanity Fair would have the means to put these seasoned entertainment journalists behind this thing. Yeah. Some people have pointed out. that Vanity Fair. This is their first Oscars, like, party since their new editor was implemented or brought on. Interesting.

About, like, how, like, he might prioritize, like, Jake Shane's, like, so, like, subscribers or followers or, like, view count or whatever. To get eyeballs on the interviews over something like someone who would be more, like, apt to, like, do something. To do the interview itself. But the risk is that like that's one of those things where you like move a load bearing brick. And you're like, oh, I didn't know it was actually holding so much weight because if people are, you know, have done this job before, they are preventing so many bad things from happening that are invisible when they don't happen. And like, why do people, you're losing so much time when you sleep eight hours every night and you start sleeping two hours and you're like, oh, you're like for living. Because the hallucinations start almost immediately. Yeah.

I understand. I mean, we can speak about this pretty comfortable because I have absolutely no interest in pivoting into traditional media. But there is a case of like, this kind of is the only path now. As far as like metrics for success goes, what the hell? You know, it's like extra credit for applying to a university. Like what the fuck are you supposed to build as a background other than a following and other than content that you build if you are interested in getting a new field? Because I don't think that like there's not a college education that can provide you any kind of comment. confidence in doing that, not to mention you're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to potentially go to journalism school to most likely get no job out of it because of the environment.

So let's just say like this was his genuine interest. In this Jake Shane's case, this seems to just be a side thing. But let's say that you really actually genuinely wanted to do red carpet interviews or be in that kind of space. Everyone sucks at everything before they're good at it. Then needs to be or hopefully can be a place that you could cultivate that skill and then go up to vanity fair level. but there just kind of isn't. It's a lot, it's going to be a lot of experimentation and fucking up. Yeah, it's like a reality star president era.

He wasn't on the red carpet for the Oscars. Right. This was an after party thing. So it's also like, yeah, it's like, I not, and that's the thing where I'm like, I actually don't know what the expectation is for an after party. Right. But because there's a step and repeat, because there's journalists, because there's like photo celebrities, celebrities and opportunities and stuff.

Of course, that's going to happen. I want to look something up real quick because I think that actually the survivor man himself, Jeff Probst, was once a red carpet reporter. Same shirt, same shorts. When he worked on Access Hollywood, he did a Sandra Bullock interview that the people at CBS, like, really liked because he was able to pull like honest, like, responses out of people who were used to doing, like, you know, press junket stuff. And so, like, that was like the thing that they were like, oh, we need that for, for, like,

this show, right? There are some great, like, actors that have done good. voice actor performances in stuff. Voice actors have unique training for voice acting. Yeah. And sometimes kind of in the way that like a movie star, live action movie star, has more clout.

They'll, you know, Dwayne Rod Johnson will get cast in the movie called like, huge cat. Look how big this cat is. And like, he'll do a shooting performance. Huge cat daycare, three.

There was no others once. Nope. The parents aren't home, so it's time to scratch the post. Dad's knees. And it's like, Kevin Hart plays left knee.

Oh, shit. Oh my God, I'm too small. And then Dwayneux is a huge one. That's actually not a bad idea. I don't think I would, well, I definitely know I wouldn't pivot into traditional media entirely. But I wouldn't mind a vacation. Like a dip a toe. Dip a toe, dip a foot.

Because I know, who knows, I might really love it. I'm not confident enough. I think it just is like a project to project basis too. It's like, yeah. I think what I know I wouldn't do is die on an island doing Survivor. I think I probably, oh my God, what is it? I'm naked and a lone, afraid. Well, there's naked and afraid and there's alone, two different shows.

Dead and afraid. Alone is a great show. I highly recommend it. That's going to happen. It's funny? There are so many moments that are so funny. I do want to watch it. It's going to be the most grim thing we've ever seen.

It's like a torture video. I'm now imagining a future dystopian reality where you don't have human camera people. And so when a show loses funding, the camera is just, like turn off or something and no one goes to claim them. And then they're like, yeah, they're out there somewhere. Disposable. Yeah. They're like biodegradable cameras.

So the day before the Oscars, the Rolling Stone released this interview with Jake Shane where he talks about what he does like on his podcast or in interviews. What about how he doesn't push back? Because there's always going to be another interview. I saw something. I think it might be from the same thing, but it might not be in this clip. Yeah. Oh, he's at South by. Do you ever feel like you're doing acts of journalism with your interviews or do you feel it's a different category altogether?

I think it is insulting to journalists to say what I do is journalism. I don't know about that. It is. And you can clip that. I'm not a journalist. I didn't go to school for journalism. There are real journalists out there asking real thoughtful, hard questions. What I am having with people is a conversation. You can say that's journalism, but it's not hard-hitting. what I do isn't hard-hitting.

I want to create a comfortable, friendly environment for my guess. Do people consider things like call her daddy journalism? I mean, they shouldn't. Right, because I'm like, like, our show isn't journalism. Like, it's like, I don't know. I kind of am a little confused by the question at all. Well. Does he do other, like, does he do stuff that feels like journalism?

I think he's mostly talking about his podcast. I think he, this has happened before. This is not new because people set this to marketing. Merrin too. It was like, oh my gosh, you get so much information out of your guess. You get so much honesty and vulnerability out of your guests. And Mark Maron was like, yeah, because I'm having a casual conversation with them. I'm not a journalist.

I'm not. It's kind of because he's not a journalist. Yeah. That's why. Like I'm not, I don't have a goal. I don't go in with a goal. Like I have questions prepared, but I'm not. Every now and again, like it's not.

I guess so I can't talk about it. But I was working on something with an investigative. journalist and I was kind of like sidecar helping them because I had some some background on something and there were a few things I was talking about in my own like little you know armchair investigations and he's like oh hey that you're doing like investigative journal stuff and I'm like don't tell anyone that like because for the same reason that Jake says here I'm like I'm saying I'm like you're giving me a compliment which is very sweet but like obviously like I am not bound to the same training, like code of ethics, like incentives.

Going back to the red carpet interview is, you know, I think that's kind of like where the discussion is centering around is like, is that a job for a journalist or is someone like Jake Shane or like an influencer who doesn't necessarily held to that same like standard? And it sounds like historically it has been. Well, I'm actually, I disagree. I think that kind of job is a. broadcaster job. That is not a journalism job.

Which has been bundled into, like an anchorman is now a journalist. All of these things are being forced together because the company, Vanity Fair, doesn't want, this is why I'm like. Vanity's in the name. Why is Jake Shane? And it's not fair. Being targeted when this clip, he's being very honest and something about what he does. Because he's visible.

It's like, it's, it's so. boring to like call out vanity fair. Yeah, that's not fun at all. I think they like, well, you can't pown them. It's weird. Your outfit's bad. Like, because again, like, what's the crime? Like, make sure the punishment fits the crime, right?

Like, I'm like, okay, the crime is being a bit cringe. Yeah. So as far as I can tell. Unless he's like, there's bodies hidden somewhere I don't know about it. Even though like, if I had legs I'd kick you is not like, it's just a whiff of a joke. It's not like a, a swing and a miss. A painful, like, you could. probably be annoying and be like, it's actually

show me sex. It is. And maybe sometimes you swing too hard and you hit someone behind you and you go, I'm so sorry. I really didn't. I was trying to hit the ball. We shouldn't sell baseball bats to anyone. Yeah. One person who does this kind of red carpet job

and has done it for many years like for the Met Gala and stuff like that is Lala Anthony. And I think a lot of people would think of her. Well, because Lala was a whoa. So this is what I'm saying. Because I know her from the past. A lot of people would think of her as just Carmel, Mello Anthony's ex-wife, but she actually

was in radio, was an MTV VJ. Yeah, I know her from- Has a long career of broadcast. Yeah, she was like, that's so interesting because, yeah, in my mind, I was like, those MTV VJs were all like journalism, as far as I know, we're all like journalism type people. I don't know if you would even call that journalism, but you could call it broadcast. Yeah, their video. They're video jockeys.

But yeah, they're broadcast presenters. Yeah. And so you have, it's like if you have 10,000 hours in broadcast presenting, I think you can handle the after party, you know, the after party question. This isn't controversial. Okay. Oh, my God. I'm, well, I was going to say I was kidding.

No, I wasn't. I, okay. There's always, because, yeah, I'm going to tie in it up on, like, my thoughts on journalist, influencer dynamic, etc., etc. I feel like a lot of the time, conversations about influencers, YouTubers, blah, blah, blah, like being shitty, being unethical in their content

can get referred to by like, this is not journalism. I want to give the example of Tyler Olivera. Tyler Lavera now exclusively publishes often racially motivated rage bait. that is explicitly now what their channel is and many like it, right? Because it works. And people will retort that with like, well, he calls himself a journalist.

No, he's not. I would argue, yes, he is. He's just a bad person. It is not the, like, the treatment of, like, journalism as some kind of, like, Paladin's crusade. Like, Fox News employs a hell of a lot of fucking journalists. Journalism isn't the ethical thing. Just like, well, but they, they took,

The doctors took the oath. They can illegally sell codeine. Like, they can. They just shouldn't. I feel like you said something very similar to this, like, many, many, many years ago. And it was like the first time that I had heard it because I was under the impression, I think the common impression that there is some sort of like hierarchy or something. But the one thing I'm curious about your take on is that there is like a journalistic code of ethics.

There is, yeah. That people who are kind of card carrying journalists are. beholden to and people like Nick Shirley and Tyler Olivera do not know exist. You know what I mean? And so like that type of thing, I'm like, I tend to associate journalism with having kind of following the scientific method of of learning stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like diving into something. It's kind of like the like Andrew Huberman is a doctor. Yeah. But you look into it and his doctor it is in like which. which side is left and which side is right. Like order of the alphabet. And then like he uses that. Dr. Oz is a medical doctor,

but he's just corrupted. Yes. He's like it's all busted. And like certainly in the case of journalism, there are lines that can be drawn around like, okay, well did you actually get that? Are you implied by anyone so and so? But words have utility.

And ultimately I would say a journalist at this point, capital J, is just somebody publishing something that's perceived as journalism. Well, and like in our modern world, It is corrupted. Like, you can't... Yeah, they just don't care about the ethics. I think, I would think the majority of what we see as journalism is...

Or maybe not the majority, but at least half of it is like bullshit. You know, it's corrupted. Well, especially when you like look at like the White House press room. Exactly. Every month there's like a Trump calls on a journalist and they're like, I'm from... I love America so much news. I'm from Negro Reduction Times. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

White replacement theory. I'm from the one white media. I'm like, wait, okay. I love them. They're the best. And then a black woman just from like an established newspaper. From like the San Antonio review goes like, I get out of the press. He's like, shut the fuck a piggy.

Get out of you. Gunshot. Or the thing in the in sports media where at the NFL press conference when the woman from Jacksonville Free Press who'd been like in. the space for over two decades was like, hey, you should keep your head up. You guys had a good season. And people are like, this is ruining journalism.

It's like, okay, sometimes we get a little self-serious. But I do think that like a lot of us are trying to, you know, acting good faith and try to like kind of say, hey, maybe, you know, if we are to, if we are to anoint the capital J journalism, Tyler O'Vera, no. and then, you know, someone on the front lines in Gaza, like absolutely. I think there's definitely a... Then those people get called terrorists.

It's like what? Actually, I'd say you're right on that in that maybe the capital J is the different. Where it is, it's weird. It's like news. It's like news is like, oh, what does that even mean? It's like the difference between like when Katie Perry went to space and people are like, well, now she's an astronaut. I'd be like, no, it's just very, that's key words.

There's a lot of... Lowercase A. She was a space visitor. Taylor Oliver is like writing stuff down. I guess that's... Maybe he's a notepad even. I don't even know if he's writing stuff down. He's being...

He looks at it. He goes, I found the most crime. And it's this guy right here. It happened near some Korean guys. I'm going to befriend some KKK guys. And that's the end of the video. Hanging out with cool guys. Hanging out with the cool kids club.

All K's. Dude, shout. On that note, Academy Awards hit us up. We're available for next year. I'm neutral, but I'll say whatever you want. I'm like late and I turn up so drunk. This is my podcast co-hosts. Do you see the Rose Byrne movie?

She's a bad mother. Okay, okay. Sorry about him. We should put like a crying baby. We should put the crying baby from. Are You Somebody by Alia, produced by Timbaland in the background of this entire episode. People are like, this episode is pretty good, but the baby was very annoying. Like that was so annoying.

Make you so fucking annoying. I, so we record on Wednesdays usually and Wednesday is Survivor Night. So I've been living my life, aka since I woke up this morning, thinking like if I can just make it to Survivor. And so. You'll be a survivor. And I'll be a survivor. You want to make a child to trial. The Destiny's Child.

I want to make it to drive. Well, I don't want to go to travel. I prefer to win immunity. But the... Bad sleep is like not winning one of... It's not getting immunity. Bad sleep is you lose the reward and you lose immunity and you're in tribal council. Which is funny that they...

Now they have the idols that look not super appropriative, but they do still call it tribal council. And I wonder if they'll eventually just rename it the council or something of bad sort. I wonder if they've just... It's kind of like how people... just still say Indian. Oh, sure. And you're like, okay, so it's just locked. We can, even people doing landing knowledge will be like,

this is Indian land. Or even like American Indian versus like Native American. Like people do still say, but then again, I also, in saying that, like I default to Native American, but I don't actually know, like I'm sure that there are some indigenous groups that prefer some terms over others. So I would obviously just defer to whatever the purpose. Definitely slipped up on, like, my version of saying, like, colored has been like, I know some people don't like, abbreviating to native or natives because in the same vein of like blacks, right?

Where are you out with, wait. Were you out with the coloreds? That's a, yeah. Have you heard about these guys? Yeah. Well, I do, that is my survivor clip for today is going to be related to this. I know crazy. But anyway, what were you saying?

I was just saying, it's funny you mentioned that. I was just, I think it was after last week's episode or something. because we talked about something adjacent to it. But when I'm as a kid, you constantly think that being grown up is knowing all the stuff. Oh, my God. And that's when you legally... It's a huge, like, the emperor has no clothes.

Yeah. Like, where it's like every adult actually the whole time has it. No one actually knows the answers to anything. Everyone is cosplaying as the grown up, which is like... It's like a... Like a kind of like a bell curve motion where when you're a little kid, you're lopping as an adult because you want to be grown up. Right.

And then as you get a little older, you get all the way button, you're like, I'm just a scummy guy, just 20s, where I fucking care? And then you get to the end, you go like, oh, no, I am a grown-up. Oh, that's like the Dunning Kruger. Yeah. Sometimes I do feel a little burdened by the, like, old dog new tricks feeling where there's stuff I don't think I can learn anymore, really. I think the, like, neuroplasticity of early 20s gets the end of like, I just don't think I'm getting a second language. I just don't think I'm going to do it.

It is easier to learn a second. Venezuela. You, I mean, they just won the world baseball classic. See? Let's play baseball. I'm sorry, I'm just, that's me putting in a current event from something that I kind of heard in the background. Hey, that shit could be true. And it is.

Let's just forget whatever the thread was. And let's watch a Survivor clip. Colton Tribal Council. Is it a Colton? No, actually. So funnily enough, there's another villainous Colton in reality television. You can I ask, sorry, quick question about, Cody's not short for anything, right? It's actually short for codeine.

That's so cool. DJ Codyne. I was, we were playing something last night and I just turned a peeped and I just went, Cody's, is that the whole name? It's not Godias or something? I'm mad that Cody's not short for anything. But maybe it was a long time ago. That's often how this, like Gwen used to be.

Gwenavir and Gwendolyn and Gwendolyn and stuff and Gwyneth. Is it not one of you just name people Gwen. Ah, nah. Cody is primarily a a name of Irish origin deriving from the surname O Kui Daitai, right, meaning descendant of a helpful person. I love that. That's a great, that's a really good one. Descending like a health was helpful person.

I kind of love that. You check your own name and it's like mediocre black. I'm pretty sure my last name, my real last name means fat. It's like a chubby person. What? Yeah. My last name means destruction or devastation. Whoa.

That's like a God name. That's awesome. I am Jacob of destruction. This does note that Cody is sometimes uses the nickname for Dakota, Codiac Cordell, Codell, or Codiac. Codiac is really funny. That's me. Dakota is also like Cody Fanning. I loved Cody.

I love Cody Fanning in that film. I think it might be the second one. Let's look at how long that clip is. The differences in our upbringings. You know what I mean? I've been on my own since I was 17 years old, man. Me being horror. That's just my life.

So Colt, tell me about where you come from. Alabama. I mean, I live in a town of 3,000 people. And yes, I did go to a private, like, all white school. But I do have, like, African-American people in my life. life. Who? My housekeeper.

Sorry. It's awesome. I do have one. I've had one for a lot. Look at Sam Elliott's facial expression. Look, I'm a cowboy from the late 1700s and even I think that sounds. That's a little weird. I'm not even from this time.

And this sort of bigotry is, uh, that's a yikes from me, partner. This is such a testament to how good Jeff is at his job. Like, he is very good at, like, very basically pulling out. Oh, yeah. Jeff does have, Jeff, Jeff actually has a little zinger in here. We can, we can hit play. That's so great. And also, goodos to him for not being like, what the fuck?

But she's like a member of our family. Like, she's paid member. Yes. I mean, you know, yeah, she didn't work for free. But I don't have a problem with Bill. because of his race at all. The problem I have with Bill is that he's poor, pitiful me, I'm poor. Like, I don't associate with people like that in the real world.

And I'm sure I'm not going to associate with people like that out here. I thought he was going to say, my problem with Bill is that he's poor. And then he didn't. And then he did. Yeah. So he's like, oh, poor, pitiful me, I'm poor. Okay. My problem is it that Bill is black.

It's that he's poor and urban. Right. And his race also? It is also he's black. Yes. that tase into it. Also, what does that have to do with this show and being on this island and working together?

I know. It should be here. You care about it less. Yeah. So I'm going to give you guys shot Chaser Chaser, okay? Oh. So the shot is Bill does get eliminated after all of this. No.

What the fuck, right? And then Colton unceremonically quits the show after faking appendicitis. And then returns in a future season where he quits on episode four. And so when he's faking benicitis and they buy it? He thinks there's something wrong with his stomach and they're like, we can't look any further into this.

And so if they have to take you off site, then you're technically metavact. But I will, if the judge will allow it, I have another clip. If you search that clip that says Colton quits again, Jeff hates quitters. Yes, that is his one sin. And so he does like a little bit lay into him.

and brings up the other time as well. I'm kind of shocked they let him come back, actually. Well, so I think it's because he was good content in that he was a horrible person. He was a horrible person who would transparently say horrible things. Do you think that's just like, do you think it's because he's from Alabama and it's just like a heterosexual dude

that's like, like, just kind of like a sexist bigot, you know what I mean? Like it's like, because he's lived like, he's not hiding anything. You know what I mean? reminds me of... He's not closeted, by the way. I think he is out as a gay man.

He reminds me. Alabama and a racist. Wow, he's dual wielding. He feels like a stereotype from a cartoon of a southern man being like, this flower is a Wilton. Yeah, exactly.

Is it drinking like a really warm lemonade on a porch? If I'm out too much in the sun, my skin might look like there. If I would hate them in my own domicile, then I most likely hate them here on the beach. Where I need the help There's nothing that a mint julep can't solve

That guy at the top left's cool He's a cool yeah That's your type. That's me. I don't want to be here anymore at all And I'm sorry Meaning what? Meaning you're quitting again Don't quit Colton I can't do that

So Colt you came back for a second time Because you said I've changed I've grown and I want to show everybody. You're now doing the exact opposite. I don't care about this tribe. Well, his ancestors. A very selfish move. Well, admittedly, a selfish... Admittedly, but maybe it's the best one for me. That how it goes, Colton, if things don't go your way, let's just stop. Maybe. So Colt, are you quitting this game? Yeah. Okay, you are out of the game. Here's the thing. My worst estimation of myself,

because we've talked before about would we do this show, right? Worst desperation to myself is that is what I'm afraid will happen, is that I, best case scenario, the world becomes aware of my complete inability to be uncomfortable. Worst case scenario is I do completely crumble and electively leave because I think there would be, done in Kruger style, I would be like, yeah, I'd probably like, right now, part of me is like,

yeah, I'd probably like swim out, catch a shark, cook it or something, you know? Yeah. probably pull a coconut apart with my hands, I guess. And then I get there and like, the water's freezing. Yeah, yeah. This bed sucks. You get there and it's like, they don't have AC. What the hell is this?

Oh, I slept so bad. It is a little bit like, oh, there's like nowhere, like there's no shelter and I have to make it. There's no fire and I have to make it. Getting, there's doing one of the challenges where I have to go through the sand. Can I go around it, Jeff? Can I jump over it, please? That's why you have to go with me. Jordan's asking to be cheating on the challenge.

This is embarrassing. Weeping again, huh? No. Jordan's weeping. That is not going to help the tribe. He's supposed to be spelling the word with these blocks challenge. And he's written boom, boom. I don't know where he got any of those.

I don't know where he got any of these letters. He might be a dumb boy. I brought them from home. It's kind of like when you have like a friend that's really, really chill that like maybe you grow up with or something. And then you see the bag out for a few years. You're like, oh, you're super religious. Like there's just like a thing that you never were exposed to. But then you go like, yeah, it's messed up like this Roe v.

Wade stuff. And they're like, I never really agreed with the bullshit. Oh. Oh, oh. We've opened a door. And there's a lot of. Hey, man, everybody's good. Everyone's fine.

You're like, I'm quitting. Like, you should be youth. Don't look up the politics of any survival. Pirate players. I just stay in the zone, auto zone. You know what I mean? Well, it's like a, it's like family Thanksgiving. Just don't bring it up.

Yeah. When Jeff is laying into him, he says also, uh, that makes two times you quit. Last time you quit, you said it was appendicitis. We found out it wasn't appendicitis. Oh, they did find out later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, and then, and then, um, and then Colton goes like,

they didn't know what it was. I got treated for like a bacteria or something like that. And then, but like Jeff just keeps going. And I'm like, I'm like, yes, Jeff is laying into this person unnecessarily,

but given that they're a bigot. I think it's also, it maybe is necessary for this setup. Because it's like you are screwing kind of the whole thing up. Yeah. Because you, it does, that type of shit does piss me off because it fucks up like,

like, Like, yeah, it like completely fucks over like other people's games. They have your part of alliance. Like it's why when someone gets injured, it's really bad. Like, oh, they run all these alliances, this, that, and the other thing, they had the numbers on their side of the tribe. And now, through no fault of their own, someone has to be removed. And so that it messes up the numbers of the voting game.

It's like the difference between like texting friend being like, I can't make a donate, I'm sorry with just a general hangout going to a bar or something versus a fancy dinner reservation. Right, where they had to prepay or something like that. And it's just like, I would never do Survivor for that reason, because I don't have the stamina, certainly. But I also am hesitant to say yes to fancy dinner reservations because I don't have that kind of stamina. I will push through my normal discomforts

if I've committed to something where, unless it's like really serious, where it would significantly inconvenience everyone else or put someone out. That's been, honest end all sometimes. You know what? Push through the barrier. Worth it for the experience.

Yeah, exactly. And also when it's good friends, what's thing that happens is you're tired. What's the top comment? I assume people love him. Yeah, something normal, I would imagine. I wish I could do Survivor. I think maybe you could.

I would love doing Survivor. Please bring Colton back so we can quit for a third time. We could see Jeff's reaction do a third quit. Like maybe, like, that's also they're like, hey, if we bring him back and he quits again, it's gold when Jeff gets mad. Guys, stop leaving hate comments. about Colton. I'm tired of liking them all. There's another fun thing about Colton, which is technically

he has played twice and never been voted out. Amazing. He's the greatest player of all time. He's the greatest player of all time. The greatest loser in history. Yeah, I really do think I would give up. I'm sorry, I'm suddenly confronting my own. Yeah, you're really going through something. I'm rotating myself in my mind. I actually don't, it's possible that I would give up. It's possible like in a panic maybe like sort of type situation. I think I would also, I would like work myself to exhaustion and just kind of die. Yes. I think I would like, I would like, I would create a situation where I actually pass out and die on camera.

That's the thing. And then I that way is the way that I can avoid the shame of quitting. Yes. I think what I think of give up, I'm thinking spiritual absence. Right. And still trying it, the challenges. but like truly HUD is flashing red

1 HP I move slower Oh yeah you've got like poison damage Every time you walk you go Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding I mean maybe I just get voted out It was like yeah Jordan I'm in a relatively nice hang The fact that you're not on any of your medication and not sleeping correctly You've gotten a little weird

And I'm like wearing someone else's skin and a bone hat There is when you want to quit too There's a fun thing you can do which is play like an absolute maniac. Because you could like, kind of make it so that people want to vote you out. But then sometimes you will do that and they end up going really far.

So easy to forget how much time is passing. Every second is a second long. And that's a sentiment that like, I think people forget when they apply probably for a show like Survivor or maybe not Survivor because there's such a culture around it. But when everyone applies for like, love is blind.

People go like, yeah, then there's that. And then there's a party that you go to and then you're a party. And then you go to the reunion. It's like, nope, you live with them for every second out of a minute. There was a player I saw a clip of an interview with who is not a big fan favorite or anything and they didn't get eliminated. They didn't make it to like the late game.

But they were like a presence. And someone asked them if they wanted to play a game in. And they were like, no, because it's boring. And what they meant was that the time that you're not playing a challenge, strategizing, doing all those things, you are just sitting there with nothing. to fucking do. Yes. With no one you chose to be friends with. There is a, I think every now and there

did survive it. I think one of the ones we watched something spontaneous happens, but for context they had like 30 seconds of chat beforehand. And it really was them going like, was that vines you got there? Yeah. Yeah, it's from the jungle. There was a one, there's one where one of the guys, I think his name is Charlie, he's on season 50, super like big Taylor Swift fan. And there's another guy on his original

season where they just go back and forth naming one guy is a fan of metallica and the other is a fan of taylor swift and they just list they try to see how many metallic and taylor swif songs they can list back to back well now you know it's a road trip game right there baba named all the shrimp stuff do you know from forest go whoa whoa sorry that i feel like it hit me like a gust of wind I'm not at my shop today but there was something that like each syllable was like cut my ear

and then my knee and I'm like I know everything you're saying and I assume you're talking about Forrest Gump but it was like That's why Bubba named all those shrimp It was like you cast a hex

I'm like what did he do? I have sat in a boat waiting for a jaguar to come out and I think it's fun you just your mind goes blank you're just looking at a tree. You were in Africa. Oh, well, this was actually in Brazil.

But in Africa, I was sat in a car waiting for a cheetah to come out. And that's why Bubba Gump Gumbulled his... That's why Bubba Gump Brian Gumbull his... And he named all 1001 of his Dalmatian. I shouldn't have had ayahuasca coffee. Yeah. I'm meeting God and experiencing ego death by Anastasia Anagnotes. We're going to head over to Sad Boys Nights where we're going to have some yuck yucks.

We're going to play some games. We're going to mug some frames and vibe out. Yeah. Oh, is that okay? Would you mind? I think clavicular is doing American Psycho stuff. It's the natural. It'll be fun to watch that.

That's awesome. That's just like, I think the sun is setting. And I'm setting my sun dial for going to Patreon.com slash Sabboys and get Sad Boys nights for the low low price of $5 a month. and you get all the episodes. Ollie's grumbling. Ollie's growling because you haven't signed up yet. Oh, you don't want to make Ollie angry.

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