Sad Boyz - They're Replacing Podcasters With AI

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. Jordan. What is up? He did I almost, almost said it again. What'd you almost say? I am desperately trying to stop saying Waguan. Oh.

And it is, it is. What does Waguan even mean? I just know it's like the... It's like a Jamaican Caribbean, What's Up? Oh. But it's, it's so like, I can't, I heard it recently. Oh, it's because I was joking with Austin. you know, a lot about, like, Toronto slang, you know, I'm cheese and fam.

Right, I'm cheese and fam. But because they got stuck on my court, Waguan held on because, like, we always said it growing up as like, it's like a fucking roadman thing to say, you know, so that lad, um, uh, yeah, Waguan at one point in time, and it's amongst a certain group of annoying, uh, white lad. And, uh, those white lads, always, where he's, were he's yelling at a, uh, secondary school. and then we just started saying it. So it was part of my lexicon for, I don't know,

maybe a couple of years unironically in school. That thing, wearing the ironic hat till it just becomes your hat kind of thing. And I was in the show for years. I've never opened it with Wagrodrod. And after you said that, I went, whoa. Yeah, you did mention you were starting to say it unironically. I think I'm getting less like neuroplasticity as I'm getting older and less ability.

You know how like when you're younger it's so much easier to learn a language? Yeah. I'm getting very old dog new tricks with everything that I do. Adapting any kind of skill or changing my ways, I think, is. But I feel like the counter example is that you have never said well one before and yet there you are about to say a new thing. You're right. It's actually good. Maybe you're reverting to your childhood mind.

You say what? Who was a roadman? What's like a? Yeah. I was absolute unit, proper lad. in the Stroud massive don't shake your head isn't it

where were you in 2002 that sounds accusatory why would you ask when on a flat home well you're rounding up is it weird to think that you were a little child in Stroud and I was going to

university in Leeds at the same time I was a good point yeah I was a bright-eyed bushy-tailed eight-year-old boy running around going, why doesn't nobody look like me? Keith wasn't even born yet. Yeah.

In 2002. A glimmer in Kevin's eye. January. Got him. Got him. I got to Leeds in January of 2002. You didn't even get to Kansas City, Missouri. I don't know where you were born.

I didn't even get to Boone County, Missouri. Oh, Boone County. That sounds fake. Go give my birth certificate of records. I've started changing my tune on Boone. I've started changing. I was sitting in a booth listening to Charlie Puth, and I started to change my tune on Boone.

I'm a bit of a loon the way I stoon for Boone. Sorry. So you was telling to Goon? No. That's the platform I'm running on. Imagine if I had one of those, like, lawn signs. 2028? Yeah, yeah, just like, Goon for Boone.

No, but Benson's very talented. I don't really, his recorded, his, like, music, his albums as currently released aren't really for me. But every time I see him do a cover or like a performance, I'm like, this guy is very talented. He was in that Super Bowl commercial for Instacart with Ben Stiller. Do you remember this? It was like the 80s one. Yeah, it's like their 80s dance.

Okay, we're watching it. Oh, this looks kind of legit. I didn't mean that I You're not mad Jarvis is getting his ass kicked by peeps He just got thrown double German Suplex never seen anything like it Talking Boone

I do think I think I'm becoming less Or have it at least because certainly since I was like A teenager or whatever A lot less cynical by default Exactly It's not really very fun to hate the thing right away Right it's like there are certain things I'll hate

right away, but usually they involve, like, actually troubling geopolitical incidents. Yes. There's to be a foundation already said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I remember a point in my life and I'll still, you know, maybe indulge now and then in just like, I don't really care about this thing. I think I'll hate it. Right. I'm not particularly invested. I'll just be mean about it. Exactly. I don't mean to be me, but that's all I can be. I'm just me. I'm in the booth. I am. I am, whatever you say I am. And if I'm booed, then I guess I am. Time to go. Then, no.

Okay, you were talking about it before the show? Okay. Speaking of not being who you say you are, what's with Jim Carrey? I'm confused by this stuff. How was that? How was that transition? That was a really good transition. Better or worse than your normal fare?

I think the student has become the master. Speaking of the student becoming the master, we should look at the battle between McDonald's and Burger King. So there's two. I segue, but we never actually go to the. subject. I'm just full of segues. Speaking of segways. You drive off on a segue.

Right of a cliff. And what is death? If not more than rebirth, then rebirth is a new Pokemon starter in polko. I was going to say it's a Final Fantasy. Should we, let's look at Jim Carrey's face. Why do we have to do this every week?

Every week I make you. We usually cut it up, but we keep the carry check, the mask. Yeah, the carry corner. Yep, well, that's the actor and performance Jim Carrey Or is it? Oh, yeah. So what was the initial, like people were just like saying he had plastic surgery or something? Yeah.

My intro to it is only the commentary that, no, it isn't, which is more suspicious than saying anything else. Yeah, that's now it's reverse psychology. This is, I'm Jordan. If you think someone had plastic surgery, maybe they did, maybe they did. maybe they didn't, who cares? It is. Why? People are like investigating too much.

I, okay. I don't, I disagree with the concept that people are investigating too much in general because I want us to be investigating. Okay. However, they're investigating too much about the wrong things. Yes. Okay, well, that's, that is what I'm saying. It's like their cynicism, the cynicism XP is being spent on the wrong skill tree.

It's like, oh my gosh, there's so many things to be cynical about. And then it didn't help that... The hell is this? Yeah, it's just that Jim Carrey's new eyes. Don't worry about it. And is that... Like, do we have... I don't know the answer.

I don't know. It's like some people's eyes change color, but also... Okay, a question. Also, I knew someone who wore violet contacts for like two years. I knew someone who wear are you wearing, here's a pickup line of mine. Are you wearing violent contacts because your eyes are striking me? Oh, you're getting attacked. Not bad, not bad, not bad.

Thank you. Is that and that would be their reply? Not bad, not bad. And then I leave. Yeah, you got to go. Wait, but here his eyes don't look that color. They look at the regular color. Has anyone lined up Jim Carrey through the years?

Because I feel like it's pretty, it would be pretty easy to see the transition. It would be good. What about a version of that, but it's, it's, uh, him as Ace Ventura, and then the other one the mask. It's like, he used to be green and spin around and play the drums. And no offense to him, but he's always had a weird face.

That was his whole thing in the beginning. His whole thing was his weird face. Was that he had like a really gummy face that he could transform. Do you think Jim Carrey could still be a gumby face? There we go. The mask.

Don't shame him. Literally the biggest star on the planet. Yeah. And it's not the, not like, that's like a deage 30 years, start him now. It's not that he doesn't have the source or whatever.

It just seems impossible. Like, but Jim Carrey doing the performances he was doing to be the biggest star on the planet now, right? Like, it couldn't happen. It's a little bit like, I feel like that's the case with a lot of types of stars. It's like you fit the moment in a way, in like the ever so perfect way. Yeah. Maybe like a Ben Kingsley is never the biggest one on the planet, but he's around forever. Even Patrick Stewart or something, like very famous but never the biggest because he's just going to

Like what is there a universe in time when I would be the biggest guy ever? No Well, for what reason I guess? Killing someone maybe maybe a growth ray experiment gone wrong. Yeah, that could work I become the biggest guy ever you get that surgery where they break your legs for 50 years and you get like an inch and a half top Yeah, just to like walk on it instantly shatter my entire body on the in the in the NBA on the court. That shit is crazy. It is. The ADHD switch up, but like,

I don't feel qualified to talk about it because I'm long. Yeah. There has to be something. Because what is it? You get two inches of fight, I think? Is it the max you can get out of this? I think what the biggest guy did was getting way more length than I thought, and it was like six inches.

Whoa. That's a shit. Yeah, it was like, but it's, It is you like perpetually look like you're wearing like like those pant high-wasted jeans or something, you know? Because they don't scale you up. Your proportions are off. Your proportions are off. Yeah, they are they transform from the top section of the PNG and then not the corner.

They grab the wrong part. I sometimes feel like that. You look like like that guy from Foster's home who's based on Wilk Chamberlain. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's amazing. His name is Wilt. His name is Wilt. Yeah, yeah.

That suddenly makes so much more sense. Yeah. me oh my god sorry i'm realizing when i heard about wilt chamberlain via uberdriver saying i looked him up and i'm like oh he's a basketball player that's so funny that he has the same name as the character from foster who's a basketball who's in basketball jersey what is the what are the chances huh crazy so crazy oops anyway moving on enough critical thinking for today uh Wait, yeah, can we look at some of the Jim Carrey memes, or has anyone like, has a...

What's the claim? Has Pablo Torre got on this? Is there like an investigative journalist who's like giving me the skinny? And not wasting their time on this Epstein business. Or any of this World War III stuff. Come on, focus on this. Focus on carry. What's...

But what, so... No, here it is. Surgery gestigation or whatever. That's one thing. But that post we just saw where it's like, here's the old eyes and here's the new eyes. what's the claim that it's not Jim Carrey and

those claims were further when someone who uses the stage name Alexis Stone who is a drag queen known for impersonating celebrities claimed that that was them Alexis Stone as Jim Carrey

in Paris do they do like prosthetics and stuff as well Yeah, so I can, I can, if you go to their profile, uh, they do like a whole bunch of like prosthetic like, oh sure, uh, jocelyn and attending. Oh, is that, uh, Paris is Jack Nicholson. Oh yeah, let's see how they do the Jack.

I mean, that's, the thing is like, it's like, maybe from like 80 feet away. The issue is always that you like need to put a face on top of another face. So you inevitably. I mean, it's very impressive when you aren't Jack Nicholson. Right, exactly. Oh, is this going close? That's pretty good. That's really good.

But also, I mean, but here's the thing. That's not what you're looking up. Looking it up for so long. You should have just the right picture. Oh, fuck you. I was looking for the right timing. I was looking like I was busy, finding the right moment to strike. Look, I don't even.

I think it's... Maybe it isn't Jim Nothing matters anymore. Nothing matters anymore. So there's a plastic... I think claiming it seriously, by the way, or is it a joke? Well, that's the thing.

Get the fuck out of here, man. I'm not doing it on purpose. It's just how I speak. Well, now you've poisoned it. I'm sorry. This is your wargwad. Now I feel like we just need a framed photo of the thing and I go, here's the thing.

There's a joke. So here is the post. It was the post. of Jim Carrey and then a mask that, you know, the mask. You know, it's like, whatever. I buy it. A little jaw.

Wait, would you need an entire new set of teeth? Well, Jim Carrey has very distinct teeth. Which is a funny thing to say, but. He has one very long tooth widthwise. But then, so then a lot of people were like, oh, okay. So this is some sort of like publicity thing as an electric stone or whatever. Well, now that I have. I've seen the other Alexis Stone stuff, no offense to Alexis Stone, but it's not going to look

like a full human, normal human being. Yeah. Without makeup. Like, I feel like the looks need makeup and stuff. They were like in character costumes essentially, like even the Jack Nicholson one. Yeah, it looks like Jack Nicholson in Batman, essentially. Like he's doing the- Or like in a very particular like paparazzi photo. He's wearing his sunglasses.

But then when I also, the photos are like one thing. And when I saw video, I was like, oh, that is just Jim Carrey. Yeah. If you watch the video of it, it's like him, his voice, the way his face moves, it's like, oh, I don't think. Right. I'm not, I'm not doubtful anymore. And his reps also confirmed that he was there. Yeah, that's what you may think.

But here's the situation. Also, there's a guy who has a TV show. That's why. I like that. called botched, Dr. Terry Dubrow, who is... This is a friend of yours? He's a plastic surgeon and he has a show called botch that I think is... Yeah, I think I've heard of it.

About plastic surgery. And he was asked what he thinks about Jim Carrey and he's like, that's just his face. Like, you guys are being really mean about this. And it's also like people get plastic surgery all the time. And there's nothing wrong with it. He's like 60, isn't he? Doesn't it feel like it all antiquated to when people investigating whether or not people like got plastic surgery?

I'm like, oh, am we done with that? Isn't that like a 2000s thing kind of? Yeah. Like, don't all you people love K-pop? Like, they're all, they get tons of plastic surgery. I mean, unless you don't believe that, in which case I'm on your, I stand, whoever you stand. Yes, same page.

I'm also 11. Yes, we, mm-hmm. Jim Carrey is 64. He's allowed to age. Didn't, no. You're pissing me off. Because you would have... I just did it before you can get to it.

But I think he looks like himself. That's the thing. I have a little invested. Can we get that image back up of a... Is it too... Too embellished to have the Eiffel tower in the window? Oh, I didn't even notice that. You see what I mean?

I'm in Paris. Look. I think this... So I originally thought... this person was based in Paris, but now I'm seeing that it's just like this post is in Paris. But also the still, someone commented still suspicious button, it has a hundred thousand likes. Also, this mask looks like if, um, if in Legend of Zelda Majora's mask, Link was able to harness the dead sort of Jim Carrey, this is what the mask like would look like.

You can like a mug a deep a guy, brisk off. That is actually, uh, this looks like, yeah, when like Ethan Hunt takes off. one of the disguised masks. Oh my God, it looks like the mask and I think you should leave. Yes. Oh, yeah.

I got too much shit on me. Because I'm like, it kills. Like, again, Alexis Stone is very good at makeup and everything, but you can still always tell that it's prosthetics.

Okay, so here's the reason that I won't say you can always tell is because, allegedly, like spies and shit, like do they have like the, real human masks to change like identities and look weird. And it scares me if people like, but I do think they're subtler because they're not trying to look like a person.

Yes, they're not changing into like Daniel Day Lewis. Yeah, yeah, they're just ever so slightly accentuating various stuff that are molded already to your face. Like bigger nose or bigger chin. Look how scared Megan Fox is. I can't handle any more stress right now. I need to know if this is real. I do. Okay, there's a part of me that wants to live in.

Megan Fox's world where this is the most stressful thing. Right. I get like, this is again, just like the top. We just initiated a war out of, for no reason, out of nowhere. That's got her at 99%. She can't handle any more. Oh, I see.

That's fair. That's fair. Well, that's actually very generous of you. It's very based, honestly. I think we stand Megan Fox or something, right? She's like cool. I mean, there's anything wrong with Megan Fox. I don't think. I think because she was like performatively hated for being a woman in movies. Well, just being like the hot girl archetype and then, which she like wasn't in stuff for like a second. And then she now she's like the elder statement, the statesman of hot girl.

I feel like Pierce Hilton did a similar thing where she came back and was like, I'm the CEO of everything. I remember. I remember when the movie Jennifer's body came out and everyone I knew was like performatively just being like, oh, just another bullshit sexy movie. It's like, no, that's like the trick of that movie. Yeah. It's like. I love that. I love the song New Perspective by Panic of the Disco, which is on the soundtrack to Jennifer's body.

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Yes. Jarvis and I were doing research looking for something for gold. You're measuring skull shapes or something. There's this. With calipers? comparing hours and we there's this uh black guy on ticot who tries to do like outrage bait stuff where he's racist against black people and he calls all black women e bt's which is that is still so crazy to me yeah oh my lord is so crazy to me it is you're doing a video on this guy no we're

not going to do a video on him but his video his content is and i'm not even going to shout him out But he's just, he's like so shitty. Is that the, that's the game now? Yeah, I think it has been for a minute. I just mean like it's, I feel like it's evolved at some point in the gradient. Like jump the shark. We went from like, that is, wow, look at this exceptional content that it's not crazy that it exists because it gets fixed, he gets views, of course it does, to like, well,

that's just content. And then now and then you get a channel that like make something good. that isn't evil. Yeah. And that's novel now. Yeah. That's a, ooh, a video game review. Mm.

I wonder if we'll, like, go back around. If the fatigue kicks in. Yeah. Because it's like, you know, people talk about how with AI, everything is so perfect, every photo and every whatever. So it's like we're going to start valuing imperfections more, which is interesting. I hadn't thought till, like, I remembered that quebel cop guy, his whole AI,

Yeah. Who it's horrible views, which is almost fucked up. Because he replaced himself essentially. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think he did it a little too early. Yeah. I think give it like maybe two more years and there might be a path for that. But so he has no traction.

We often talk about how, you know, I don't have the most rock solid foundation when it comes to like, my media literacy is good, but I would say that my investigation skills are pretty limited. I'm pretty impatient. I'm like, I'll defer to others on a good handful of topics, but usually others that I feel like I can trust or at least respect the position of. I've had so, if I elect to, I can just say I don't want to be a part of a conversation, right? Position of the privilege of not like working in like an office or some kind of setting or being at a school where I have to at least like perform a consensus or speak a certain way or being part of a family that I don't politically align with and I have to at least at Thanksgiving kind of. not say the thing I believe. And I don't, none of those exist,

so I'm allowed to just kind of be relatively straightforward with my physician and not have to challenge people in person much, right? Doesn't come up a lot. But I, for some reason when I just saw Charlie, put out like a short, just very briefly talking about global combination. I'm like,

oh, this must be so bizarre to be, and maybe I'm just too age-pilled right now, because I'm age posting. it's got to be so weird to grow up in this, in this noise. Yeah. Like, there's more possible inputs than ever. You can't even really dedicate any time to catering your environment or community or something.

You are like parrying blade strikes from every possible angle. You're like blocking the lasers from the droids in Star Wars at like a pace. How the hell you'd have any time to figure out what you like or value seems impossible. to me. And like, in a very roundabout way, just running back to it, the AI slop thing, like the conceit of it, or the meme, I guess, essentially, is that, did kids have time for that? Like, that conversation feels like it's almost like the trying to pitch AI as a viable product to, because it's kind of the point right now is where we're supposed to have some affection for it in some way. I just can't even imagine how I would explain to somebody, I don't know, like a 15 year old,

why AI could be cool. I think it is more just, it exists. And thus, I get used to it. Well, no, I mean, I just feel like with 15 year olds, you're not trying to make a pitch to them so much as like, I don't know. I normalize it or whatever. Yeah, I guess it's just like normalized. it's interesting because I don't know how to answer that I do just think that they're inundated with just like so much shit I do think they're not thinking about any of the like morals or anything because they're like too young and it's just like and that's also why it's important to like well we're like a little bit cooked because it's like oh you live in like the the age where everything is gambling and everything is AI everything is a scam. Everyone is lying all the time. Everyone's rage baiting. Our, yeah, I mean, our focal point

becomes AI so often just because it's like an interesting cultural moment. But truth be told, like, I think like Tile Olivera videos are more sinister to me at their core because there is absolutely, there's like an evil heart there. It's not even like cold cynical calculation. Yeah. It is a like, it's the joker. It does feel very like synthesized evil. It's perfected even it's the T virus They're just like wow We've crafted He made it

An annoying guy But I like Forget what it was There was some Tyler Oliver video recently ish I'd kind of stayed out of his Ecosystem or whatever Yeah But it was

He's the guy that did I went to the most racist town in America or something I was like these people have pretty cool They got him He's also He also did a thing where when people criticize him He signed off an email saying

He's going to keep doing what he's doing Tyler Hitler, Vera. That's right. I forgot about that. I was like, all right, buddy. I don't get how you could be, how you square the circle of being a cynical, kind of shitty guy,

but also incredibly insecure. Well, it's weird, because it's like, I'll just be what everyone's saying I am. And I'm like, don't do that. That's like super villains, that stuff. It's like, it's more about, like, taken, I guess it's just like,

try to understand why people are, criticizing you. And it's because you're exploiting all of the worst aspects of society under the guise of journalism. Oh yeah? Then I'll do it. Okay. A don't, but that's actually what we're saying not to do. Because there is a world where you like,

you can still do journalism while humanizing people. Yeah, not when you say that to me. Well, go ahead and give me the feedback. I tried. I said maybe this is not. Exactly. Okay. Another win for Tyler. My next video,

which ethnic communities would win if you did a big war. It is. Survivor did that once. Oh yeah, that's right. Back in the blackface era of television. No, no, no.

They called it. Well, it was Survivor Cook Islands. Oh, that's what that was. But then, yeah, season 13. And but people affectionately refer to it as the race war season because they split everybody up. They had,

it was like black people, white people, Latino people. Asian people. Whoa. And like every time they do this, it's like very short lived, but it was very, it's like a very, you could tell that like black white was winning Emmys when they like that. Yeah, was this like 2006? It was.

Yeah, it was just in the prime era of everyone doing it. I feel so I feel like I'm going insane. It was like, it was weird then. I could have sworn it was weird. Well, it was like for at least so in, it's. It's kind of like in black white where people were, or at least the black family was talking about whether or not it was a good idea to be doing this at some level. Right. Yeah, yeah.

There are people like discussing whether or not it's a good idea to even do this, like, experiment. But they're already doing it. Yeah, but it's like they are like regular people because it's like in this early reality TV era still where it's like you're not becoming an influencer that doesn't exist yet. So I Maybe I'm naive But I do believe Like because the people who want to be on Survivor

They didn't sign up for the race war season They're in the queue for Survivor And the producers reach out to them And then eventually they learn what the You know thing of the season is And you're already kind of Yeah you're like deep in the process at that point Oh okay Jeff

That's that's good And so And so okay so we're lining it up All the Black tribe You have to where loincloth, it's just part of your thing. The Asian tribe will be doing homework.

We've got it. So the white tribe, you get more resources right at the start. So they did another season of Survivor like that where I don't remember what season it was. But it was like the, it was like the you have everything abundance tribe and the like you have nothing tribe. What the fuck? I know.

That's not fair. And then it's not. And then it was just like can they can they pick themselves up by the bootstraff? The answer is no. But did they at least kind of divvy up the people the members like it was a bunch of like really Healthy capable strong people in the in the in the like good survivalists in the I don't remember right I don't know because it isn't a season I watch but it's just a season I like saw some videos about they did they do like eventually swap members between yeah They do like merges and swaps and things like that. So it's like all these premises like don't usually last for very long.

It's just in the like very, very, very early stage of the game. Can we see, Jacob, would you mind looking up and see if there's a show called, I want to say it's different worlds reality TV show? Jenny Nicholson did a video about it like several years ago. Nope. Oh. That was a Cosby produced sitcom, a different world. Not now.

Keep safe search on. Um, no, it's, fuck, what was it called? It's, so, um, Jane Nicholson made a video, so maybe if we look up just Jane Nicholson reality TV show. But the whole premise is basically that. It's, uh, you, one tribe that has all the stuff and then the other team doesn't start with any stuff. Oh, yeah. Opposite worlds. Oppos. That's a really bad name.

But it's basically that framing, except it's past and future. The series revolves around a group of strangers divided into two teams. Wow, exciting. And made to live in a house divided by future and past themes. Now, the thing is, is that the future theme, it's a utopia. So they just get everything that they need, and they have a shower, and they have running water, and things are good. The other world is the one where, you know how, like, we used to live there and then made it different? We used to be there, and we went, this fucking sucks.

We should make, like, a house, build a wall, if you will. And we should, you know, eat better food and get deodorant. And then this show posits, yeah, but what if it was actually the better way? No, it isn't. We're losing. There was only one season. A ton of people got injured. Everyone was essentially malnourished on one of the teams.

And then they, I highly recommend the Jenny's video, so I'm told too much about it. Yeah, shout out Jenny. But there is just one guy who is a firefighter, not like, like Joe. from Survivor, who is outrageously better at physical challenges than everyone else on it. Classic. And the show is mostly physical challenge.

Oh. So it's opposite worlds. Who will be better? And at one point, he swapped sides and then that team starts with it. Oh, my God. Because they put Thanos on the other side. We are, speaking of bad game design.

Speaking of bad game design. I'm going to throw out what might be a controversial statement. Pick up the phone and just unlock it. Go ahead and get the photo. right. I almost dropped it. Oh, sorry, can you open the photo again? Excellent.

No, you said you want to hold it? No, you go ahead. Is it, here it, fuck. Turn around, let me do it again. Here he is. Here he is. I don't think that traitors. I don't think.

He's a good show. I, it is, I, it is, I, it's kicked in, because we, we've been like just kind of gabbing about it anyway, but then I watched, uh, You watched the finale. You were a Survivor, you and me. Oh, yeah. In that episode of Survivor.

Well, during it, you were also, because you've been on your Survivor kick. I've been locked in my hyper-focused mode. And so you were able to give me, like, lore when it came up, but also some insights and other seasons and the meta-game and, like, how people, yeah, play it. And, like, I was watching, I have still not watched the finale of Traders. Oh, you haven't. And, like, one of the reasons is it's, it's really only a show I can watch in a group. And I watch the rest of the show with Katie.

and it's not a show that I'm as into solo. I'll watch it with you if you want. The finale will piss you off. See, that is. It is everything we've said. Every derogatory thing we've said about the show is, it's proven true once again. It is, it's an anarchy only,

it is a show that they spent millions of dollars. Dollars as a, millions of dollars. Welcome, the time for talking. Hawk is over. He is a title and I. He's like, it's like he's devolving. Welcome back. I'll say, his outfits are always awesome.

His outfits are always great. He goes to his wardrobe. But his little like, like sweater vest, sleeveless thing that just says murder on it. It's awesome. He has one weird, it's a miss for me. There's one outfit miss,

and it's in the finale, I think. Oh, there's one there. It just looks like a big, like a mozzarella. I wasn't really connected with that. Is that the one where I said it looks like the cover of Good Night Moon? Oh, yeah. But it's bad. I mean, it's a swing for sure.

The game design is bad. It makes no sense. But there's like, we've talked about before how it's just like, it's a clunky premise and it's like it's all over the place and it's a weird way. I mean, it's a show that doesn't feel like, They should have started with the celebrity season. Yes. It's the show that needs regular people on it.

It is a fundamentally broken idea for me because it, if I would go to a border and pitch what this show is, I would basically walk in and go, hey, so you're interested in burning cash. This is a show that perfectly simulates the idea of not enjoying a game of werewolf. With people you don't know. So nobody really knows who to vote for. You can tell that like two people maybe used to date, so they've got a weird grievance, so they won't communicate with them. It goes on way too long because no one knows the rules. And at the end, you're not even really sure why someone won.

I think they... You could win over a thousand dollars. That's the funniest part, too. You'll get $100 per murder. Triple front flip. And everyone's throwing up and can't do it. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of issues with the construction of the show, in my opinion. But I'm like, I like, the more I watch it, the more I find new things to be upset about.

Because like, I don't know what the POV is supposed to be. Because it, the moment you know who the traders are, which you do for the whole thing, it completely, in my opinion, delete anyone that's not a trader from value in the show. It like completely depersonalizes them because you, the heroes are the traders. I do think that like, I do think that part of it is an issue in casting because when you, like, for example, Survivor is just always an easy example because they've done so many seasons and so they got a will-oil machine with this. And everyone doing it knows it. Yeah, but they screen for people who are going to be good in the confessionals. And the edit is like kind of based around what's going to be good for television.

But who can sit cutely by the beach while doing their confessional like this. Oh, yeah. That cracks me up every time. Every time. Can we go and do this on a branch? Can I do it holding on to a branch? Sweet. Oh, I just think that there's, there's, just, there's not enough, maybe wrenches.

I feel like so much of the runtime, for me, my biggest grievance is that a lot of the runtime is dedicated to challenges that don't matter. Yes. And have nothing to do with deception at all. Well, they just don't reveal anything or get anyone closer to anything. And in Survivor, many things about the show feel like they like just template took like, oh, Survivor does this, so we'll do this. But it doesn't, it's not the why. Like the why doesn't make sense for, it makes sense for Survivor because you're competing for rewards and then you're competing for immunity. And whether or not you're good at the challenges introduces like conflict and value in terms of the social game.

So it's like, oh, I, when the game starts out and there's like, you know, two to four tribes, if you lose the challenge, you have a much higher percentage chance of going home. So everyone's aligned on wanting to win the challenge. And thus, people who are good at challenges have a high, in the early game have a really high value assigned to them. And so even if you're not interested in the puzzle solving aspect of the challenges, you know that they're leading to something. And that they, they call. cause effects in the other game. Their capability has like downstream effects. It's more every time they do a challenge,

it's like a commercial break from the regular show of traders. Because it's just like... They get in a black Jeep to, for some reason, drive to a different field than the one they live on. Yeah. To do, like to jump through... To take Tara Lipinski and give her a challenge where she has to pick up like a log and she can't.

And then they go, hmm, a little suspicious that you couldn't pick up that log that you have no incentive to not do. Yeah. For what reason they don't have a, well, you'll actually earn a secret extra $5,000 if everyone fails the challenge. They don't have that. So they're just, everyone goes, you do a challenge, done.

Now back to a completely unrelated show where people are just randomly taking stabs in the dark. It feels like when, like we would, like Jacob and I sometimes in like friend groups, play mafia and sometimes when you play mafia you don't have anything to go on and so especially in the early game so you'll literally just go you said this thing kind of weird yeah you said you had like a weird twinkle in your eye like and you have nothing absolutely nothing to go on and that'll just be like what you what you start with and that feels like traders like half the time it's the least fun

part of they're going like they're going mm you drop the fork and I think that's actually narratively important you felt nervous in this game that is nerve-wracking it's like I do feel that like in survivor people come up with like compelling arguments for why someone motivations for why someone might be doing something yes and I and I think that that is like notable because like I was re-watching um season 37 which is the David and Goliath season. It's Mike White's first season, because he's on season 50 now.

But, um, and he somehow looks better. And there's a, uh, there's a part where I like, couldn't believe that this was their read on the situation. And sometimes people, like,

traitors is people being confidently wrong all the time. And Survivors does. Most of you're also, their careers are like being on the real house husbands of Yorkshire or whatever. Yeah. And it's like, I just argued with people for 20 years and made billions of dollars. I think that's the way to go.

There's a few things about trade. And I actually, do want to get a Jacob's opinion on this in a sec, but there's an instance where someone planted a fake idol that they then found while they were around other people with the, with the, with the strategy of that being, and it's a, it's a high risk, high reward strategy. When an idol was played at a tribal council, it typically means that that idol goes back into the island somewhere and it can be found again. And so that's an important meta game. And there's also this push and pull of I want to be with the group because I don't want to miss people politicking,

but also if people notice that I'm gone, they're going to assume the worst, which is that I'm going and searching for an idol, which means that there's an incentive to blindside me so that I don't have a good time to play the idol slash. If I don't find the idol, then I can't even protect myself, yada, yada, yada. So this guy pretends to find an idol that's fake so that people think the idol is found so they won't go searching for it. So we'll have more cover to go search for it on his own. It's like a, it's a big swing,

but it's a strategy that logically makes sense. And then there is a guy that after he does that, like, because people bought, a lot of people buy a hook, line sinker.

And then there's a guy who goes, I don't know, because what if he did it to fake it so that we wouldn't go and try to find the real item? Dude, death note reveal. And I'm like, yeah.

And it's like, even if he doesn't go, like, even if he goes, nah, maybe I'm reading too much into this. Like, which I think does happen.

It's like people are creating logical arguments for why people do certain things. And then it's frustrating when people don't do things logically. And that's why, like, on this season, multiple of the survivor players got very frustrated with illogical play. Which is, I got to say, maybe just a testament to how fussy we can be. But I think specifically irks us even more than average because it is like a, I don't know, that's like a trait I find annoying in general. It's a traitler. The traitler. It's the traitler.

The traitler. Scottish Rizzler. I'm the Scottish tritler. There's a... Double chump chocolate. Doesn't it... I think there's just something... Pie design.

I like the tackiness of the way these shows are made. But it's so like... I feel like everyone has dropped their expectations of a show to have an interesting game. And yelling is just enough. I do just feel like it regresses to shapes and sounds. show yes because it's like it it like more or less like does enough things that feel like a show

that's a game and and then and then when it fail it like when it fails you can just feel it filling time um like love is blind maybe this means i have no like i am i blackness in my heart or whatever like just no like joy or whimsy whatsoever but all of the parts where they're like doing like lead up to the wedding. Like, like, the wedding part at the very end is the least interesting part of the show. Yeah, by far. Because it's like, oh, my God, just get it over with. But they're having to drag out a few, like, will they say yes or will they say no over and over

and over and over again and try to make it compelling. And thinking that the midsection where they are living together and like the insight is like, huh, sometimes he does stuff that annoys her is like insightful as opposed to like, yeah, he's annoying. My friend Agata is like a big reality TV show person And she has said that she actually Likes American Traders the least And that this season is a particularly bad season

I've heard Australian is good Yeah, she likes Australian and then she also said The first British season is really, really good There's also Canada Traders I saw There's a girl from Survivor who I saw was on Canada Traders but... Oops, sorry. Sorry, I killed you.

Oops. There's like an old screenwriting rule of thumb, which is that the protagonist is the character that knows the most. And I... It is not always the case, especially in like, like knives out. Benoit Blanc knows nothing. Like, we know so much more than the other characters, too.

And it's like all about him figuring it out and like catalyzing that. But there is, but that's like a, you know, famously kind of a subversion of that format. And I think there is something, like literally the most... moment we found out who the secret traitor was, I went like, oh, there's nothing left. The show's over. It's still fun enough to watch, but now it's idiots. It's fish in a barrel.

Because I always know more than everyone on the show. Yeah. I'm never discovering anything. But I do think that that is interesting. It's edited like we don't know. Yeah. That is another issue. Because I, I'm the dopest.

I'm the slickest. Faithful. And I'm like, yeah, I know. I'm watching the show. Like, what is the fuck is this? It's edited like I'm eating. Anyway, here's me eating a sandwich. Unhinging my job.

The most disgusting man alive. There's a couple things that, oh my God, dude, him during the reunion, it's like he sucks so much. He sucks so much. It was like so hard to watch. So there's a couple things that just annoy me. We talked about before where it's like, I keep saying it's nuclear bomb versus coughing babies sometimes where it just feels like

it's a classic strategy in Survivor as well where it's like, oh, you get out the best people. But then it feels like a bunch of people who don't know what's going on, like left. And is that like the iconic, in case people want to almost say the names of the characters, but there is one traitor who has displayed decent amount of kind of traitorous behavior. And they are like, I think he might be a traitor. raw instinct or whatever. And then they are voting for him. They're going to do it.

And then as they're discussing it, he goes, I just want to say, I really like you, and I've had a nice time hanging out with you. And then the next shot is her going over someone. I don't think it's him. It could be a failure in editing, but a thing that really pissed me off is Rob Cestrinino, who's a survivor guy. He's like, he's big in the Survivor podcasting world, but he's like, for a long time was considered the most, like the smartest survivor player never to win.

Like, but he's old era survivor and he hasn't gone back on the new seasons. But anyway, he has a podcast and so that's like what he's mostly known for now. But he was on this season of traitors and he was the guy who, um, there's a conga line. And it's like, hey, let's do a conga line. Extremely suspicious, by the way. And then Rob goes, hey, I think they're trying to do a murder in plain sight. And then they just murder him. And people who heard him call that out never say anything about it.

And it's like, but also, should that not be suspicious to literally everyone? I, I, guys, let's do like a diversion. It has to be, because it was, was it Candice or Lisa Rinner the kid? It was one of those two who seem exceptionally annoying. And I would assume are constantly doing things like that. Like outside of the edit. It was Candice who did the thing. And then Candice annoyed me in the reunion because she,

it's like she accuses some people of cheating in the game. What was that mean? Like, like, breaking the rule of someone telling someone else that they were, who a traitor was. Like, I don't want to spoil the show, but it's like, so Candace says that Rob cheated by telling Colton that she was a traitor. Oh. Because she's just like upset that she lost, I think.

Yeah, isn't that? Because accusing someone of cheating at the game is such an extreme like step to take. And also it's like he, well, he just did it as a faithful, like in faithful disguise, right? Exactly. That's the thing. It's like they were, he was in faith. You can't say anything? Yeah, no, it's like it doesn't make any, it's like they're discussing potential people who might be traitors because, because like this player doesn't know that his closest allies are traitor. So what is he going to?

Like, so I think that that's what actually happened. Is some strategy happened in that? And then they were like, oh, but you can't even allude to the fact that I might be suspicious or something. Like, I don't know what they're trying to argue. They even went beyond the reunion. And then on Instagram, we're like, someone was like, you're just mad because you didn't, you know, do this yourself. And they're like, what, cheated? Yeah, no, I don't want to cheat.

And it's like that really like, I have to assume that these people are, recorded all of those times would they would have been recorded so it's like what is the way they would have gotten in trouble for like cheating at the game i also think it's probably in the in the case of some of the more than others the greatest indignance is not getting to be on tv as long like you got me kicked up it's not the losing a game it is the like you cost me a bunch of episodes i could have had more attention just strange and then the other thing that I wasn't sure how I felt about it because it started to feel a little

metagamey in a weird way is that like Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski did a thing where it's like Starian and Terrell Lipinski that people don't know. They don't know how well we know each other which is totally fine like that's a normal thing but then it started to be like

no like I know they're not lying because they'd never lie to me and it started to feel like kind of like it almost felt like colluding because there's a line between like I trust this person because I have this relationship outside of the game and they seem trustworthy versus like no I know for a fact. Yes. And I'm like could just be the language that was being used.

But it like I don't think that they were colluding. I don't think they were metagaming. And they're not gamers and stuff. So it's like I do think it was probably like a blurry line. But it felt like a weird type of. It felt a little odd to me. I do wonder. But I liked them.

So I genuinely wonder if if you took a clip from that show, I think it would be really intuitive. Like people would watch it and go like, oh, okay, so some of these people are like lying and being sneaky and some of the bad. But they aren't really lying and being sneaky. They're just playing the game by exactly the rules. They aren't allowed to be faithful. You see what I mean?

It experiences a thing that happened in early Survivor where there's a lot of this talk of like honor and like like being like playing the game the right way and and in early survivor they demonize things like alliances and like lying and things like that to get ahead and it's like this is literally the game and traders it's especially agreed just because it's called traders it's essentially called liars it's called traders but i i genuinely have the suspicion that a bunch of the people in the show think that being a traitor is optional like it's an elected thing Like really, genuinely, I think that must be happening. Or on some...

I mean, for some people, sometimes it is. They, like, give them the opposite. You can either die or the point of traitor. I just... There's so many times where they're talking to them, and they're like, I'm the most faithful of a faithful. And this is where, like, the show, I just kept, like, switching off in my brain. Because, like, what...

Just say boogababababoo. This doesn't mean anything. You can't say, I'm a traitor. Yeah, it is... They might as well just spin around on the table. But it is, like, when you're playing mafia, and it's like, no, I'm a citizen, you know? I'm like, just one of the guys.

But it's like, you have to refer to like evidence or a justification for that as opposed to just like, no, I'm nice. I would never play a game game. I think it's the thing where you go, like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, and so you're basically asking to do a soul read. Yes. You know, so and that's, and that's, I think that's okay, personally. I think it's like, because it's, again, it's like, what are you going to say?

And so then you have to, like, when someone feels like there, because I do feel like, when someone's back against the wall is against the wall and they get emotional there's a world where they act in a way where someone goes I didn't buy it and then I just think they're lying to me and then there's a way where people start to go that seemed too real

so they must be telling the truth. Yes you know and I do think it's like it kind of edges with that. I think it's bad as much as is such a huge missed opportunity that it is bad. It's like if you watch a movie now with bad effect And then you watch a movie 30 years ago with better effects than the one now. And you're like, okay, well, maybe there's reasons and a justification, but like, we have so much more technology now.

We have so much more. There's so many good shows, so many good rules. There's so many, get one, you know, Belgian board game designer. I think half the population, Belgian's chocolate and board games. Just go and get one of those guys, bring some Swedish dude and go like, does this game work? And then they go, no, this makes no sense. and then they go, yeah, but we already made five seasons. So we're just going to kind of keep doing that?

I do you think it's, yeah, I just think similar with Survivor, it's like the reason that the guy who won the first season of Survivor won the first season is because he was the only guy doing strategy. Yeah, breaking the, in the moment, people being like, what the? And so you do need, like, everybody to be doing. Like, that's why I, even though I think that sometimes they fly too close to the sun with, like, there's a lot of like survivor rhythms. and stuff, a lot of like internal things is like,

oh yeah, I just wanna get to the merge. And it's like, if you're a first time viewer, it's like, what does that even mean? And then it's like the way that people talk about like the voting mechanics or vote splits and metas around how you play around somebody with, like all those things are like, it's like watching a pro sport and they say,

if you're watching basketball and they say like, oh, they did a pick and roll. It's like you have to know what that means. Yeah, but I do feel like that's better because everyone on the basketball court knows what a pick and roll is, then, when they would in Survivor,

sometimes they would recruit people like off the street or like somebody's like recruited as a bartender in New York and just to come on the show and then they're with people who were like lifelong fans of the show. I want everyone to be on the same playing field and Traders doesn't have that in the American thing because it's a mix of game players with people

who like have never played a game like this. Yes. Obviously there's a disproportionate like the powers are disproportionate because it's like you could have never played a game like this but if you're a trader you have a lot more power than, like, you can win as a traitor having never played the game before because you get to kill the people who suspect you. And that's, like, the most basic, obvious strategy to do it. With a starting cast of 80 people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the biggest starting cast ever. And then as it gets whittled down, you start to learn what people's names are. Yeah. Like early, um, Bachelor. Oh, yeah. They're just like cutting some people out. Because Bachelor is another thing where it's like, it starts and there's 30 people.

And it's like, all right, well, these people need to go away. Like, I don't. Similarly, like, how the hell are you supposed to see if you're compatible? with this many people all at once you kind of need to... I guess maybe... I was going to say that's part of why Survivor is still shorter, but that was just COVID.

Probably more efficient. Yeah, actually, I now that I've gotten deeper into it, I understand the argument for why they should go back to longer seasons because there's certain, like, there's like too much of a rush. So it's like certain, like, relationships don't really get a chance to form. It's just like, it feels like you're incentivized

to just go with whatever you're starting relationships were. I just, I like, I like lying games. It's like it one that like a little better, which is why I did really enjoy the first episode of the season premiere that we watched of Survivor 50, because there's already an inkling of like setup. Yeah, I mean. The iconic, what is it, the Billy Elish Boomerang icon? The Billy Elish Boomerang Idol.

The Ariana Grande Aron smoothie. Yeah, the Haley Bieber Airwan Express. I go about that. It's cracking me up, dude. For people that, I do recommend watching it. It's a good watch, but like in the new season of Survivor, they find an immunity idol. And it's a unique community idol with certain mechanics at play. But unrelated to the way that it works, it's named the Billy Eilish.

And they have to keep saying it. This is the first time I think this has happened that I've seen. And they don't like play a photo or even have Billy Eilish there. It's just a letter that says, hey, it's me, Billy Eilis. So that's funny. And then also the fact that Billy Eilish, like hasn't posted it on her story or anything like that. So it just feels like it's the... Maybe no relation, just a different.

Right. It's the Pete Heggs-that-war criminal idol. He's like, oh. All right, well, let's talk about... Anastasia. This is your segue. Well... She's crying.

Here's a thing. I was thinking. Sad Boys is a podcast, right? Okay. This is... She's right. Okay. Yeah.

But what if you two were unnecessary. Right. That's right. It's also correct. Because AI. Because AI. This is actually, this is what being in an executive boardroom at any tech

company right now is like. Hear me out. It's someone coming in just being like, what if there was a computer on it? What if you put an AI on it? But hear me out. Well, we do everything we've ever done before, but AI. But it's really annoying. The company is paying you guys so much.

Um, what if we could cut you out entirely? Me and Travis are not super looped in on this, but it sounds great, the AI podcast network. So apparently there's a few, right, Jacob? A few AI podcast network. Which even a podcast network, I know it's still like very present, but the, I feel like, are they, I guess out of curiosity, are they branding themselves in the same respect that like a gimlet brands itself? Like an earwolf would say like, we're a network or is it just like a? Yes.

What a strange choice. The headline I saw that made me laugh so hard was this AI generated podcast network publishes 11,000 episodes a day. A day? And it also ripped off media outlets, of course. Okay, well, I guess my first thought is if it weren't for, like, there's a ton of YouTube AI slop and AI generated YouTube channels. and YouTube is like fighting that, but they still, you know, exist.

And because there's no governing body of podcasting, it's like there's nothing to stop 11,000 podcasts from being blasted into the air streams a day. Not to mention, there's like a, you know, there's a house style to a podcast. Like I would guess a lot of these are kind of the daily style, the, this American lifestyle, that kind of thing where it's based on radio. And radio is very kind of catered and formed. And it's like how even if it's nonfiction, AI writes like fiction. Like it always has that because so much of what it's trained on is that.

Like it writes like a teenager making a bad screenplay. But like the, was it Spotify? Yeah, the Spotify wrapped AI podcast that we listen to. Yeah, yeah. Almost made sense for that platform because, I mean it sucked. But it almost made sense because the format of like, Thanks, James. Moving on, what are we looking at here?

Is what you'd expect? You listened to Ariana Grande for 37 minutes. Now, 37 minutes is a long time, John. I think you could walk a couple of miles in 37 minutes, but instead, you're blasting Ariana's beats. I thought it was a brat summer. Not an Ariana summer. You're onto something here.

Yeah, 365. You listen to Charlie XXX 365 days of the year, and you listen to the song, 365. That's funny. Ah, good. You're on to something here because I think the goal

of one of these networks is to be hyper-specific. So if you want the daily news in a small town. It's a Facebook t-shirt but for your RSS feed. Yeah. It's like, this guy born on May 5th

that loves House of the Dragon. I just want to point out Alexios Menzhenz Menzarella. This is a friend of yours? Very Greek. This is your dance friend? I thought it might be offensive to point out, but here we are.

Well, I can do it. You can do it. I do it. I do like that they all save the daily. The daily daily days. Yeah, so scroll down. Here's a sample. The daily news now is the network.

Oh. And each of these is one of the podcasts. The Daily News Now, and then it's every topic you could possibly imagine. So they have one for over. over, I think, 150 U.S. cities. And then they also have topics such as tech news, markets and money, global events, Cougars football, crypto, and NASCAR. Europe.

That's kind of insulting. Cougars is like Washington State. So it's like not even, it's a college team. Okay. Daily News Now, U.S. News. Can we listen to some of these? Yeah. If you just search Daily News Now.

a lot of them come up. Oh, actually, this is a great example of... Oh, my God. This search page is crazy because it's just like there. This is... That Dallas one is disgusting to look at. Jesus. This is what, like, slop channels, like,

I used to talk about on YouTube, how they would drown out. This is essentially a denial of service attack. Yes. Because it's like if you had a human-made podcast, now 50% of the results or AI podcasts, I was just thinking, because this is like, when people would talk about, here's the end result of all of this AI stuff on YouTube is going to be that your feed is all that. And the thing is, like, you have some agency when you cater your feed in the case of YouTube because you can blame who you subscribe to and the discoverability is like a little more tactful and YouTube is trying to push back against it.

Rather foreseeable, I can't think of any platform that has any incentive to push back against this. Like, it's great. Yeah. Give me all the things. Um, let's listen to the U.S. news one. Yeah, I've been meaning to catch up. Because I'm curious how they're going to talk about some of our, you know, very important news moment that we're in right now.

Oh, that's one minute, eight seconds, huh? Wait, there are two minutes each. Wait, but that says that's about a coach. That's about the Notre Dame coach. Is this? Wait, how often are they posting these? Um, because this is all today. Is this?

Oh, my God, it's like an SEO attack. It's like every possible. This is how they're getting 11,000 episodes. Oh, wait. Is it possible that this feed is every single one of the Daily News Now feeds combined? No, no. No, but that's even crazier. I mean, how do they stack like, like the Charlotte Hornets?

Like, how do they make that every, like 50 posts a day? Yeah, or do they have one for the Lakers? They must, right? Like the Daily News Now. I guess we should listen to one. You're not up to it? This is Michael Barbarov. Well, it's hard.

We're recording right now, so I've missed 90 episodes. That's right. You're going to lose a day to this. Yeah, let's do like Zuckerberg grilled on Facebook's addictive design. Oh, careful. On March 4th, prosecutors in a New Mexico lawsuit questioned Mark Zuckerberg last year during pretrial depositions about early complaints of addictive. That's like social media use.

Oh, my God. It's so bad. It's not even a good voice. It's not even like the. Wow. Dating back to Facebook start in 2008. Point two patterns are problematic. Can you pause?

Is this? Literally telling me news from last year. Wait, can you start it again? Because did they connect it to today, or did they just say last year, this happened? Yeah, I think they just said, remember this? Yeah, can you start it from the beginning? On March 4th, prosecutors in a New Mexico lawsuit questioned Mark Zuckerberg last year during pre-trial deposition.

On March 4th, which is today, questioned Mark Zuckerberg last year. Is it the anniversary of it? Is that what? That's crazy. Did they do that on March 4th last year? They didn't want to shell out for like the good AI voices because they're posting so many podcasts. Well, I think this is this guy's voice, like recreated. Yeah, but.

So he has access to infinite testing data. But I think that he didn't even pay for the good 11 Labs voice clone. That is shockingly bad. It's like the gaps in the speech are so awful. I mean, yeah, mid-sentence. There's a line break and it didn't know how to deal with that. Yeah, that's got to be it. Okay, yeah, let's look at the Lakers one.

Because with sports, I'll be able to tell if it's actually recent news pretty quickly, I think. Also, if it makes sense. Because I think, yeah, we'll see. Maybe they don't have. Oh, they do. Wait, sorry, can I just ask really? What is this? What's this for?

I don't get it. What do you get out of this? Because anyone that listen to this will instantly go out of what the fuck. It almost feels like a total disrespect. Because the not, I don't. Oh, it says voiced by DNN. Daily News Now. But then it, but then it.

DENCURR. If you show more, it's like continues saying. Creator Corey. Empowered by DNN. Powered by it. The same thing. Okay. These nuts.

What? These nuts network. Go ahead. Give it five stars. Hosted by Fast Cat. Okay, wait, you're scrolling too fast. I just want to read some of these headlines. Lakers smart.

Okay, Marcus Smart. And then Lakers hire new strategy officer, hire anything from the last year. Dodgers exec for a new role. Grind out win. Luca leads charge. And these are all today. Yeah.

And then do, okay. It's funny. They're so short. Like how? There's, um, so what a lot of people are speculating is happening here. Is that he has his algorithm to have like every time a news story.

Yeah. Or Google is published. Yeah. About anything. Yeah. It categorizes it into what. feed it should go to and makes just a one and a half to two minute summary of each article and then pushes that podcast episode to.

So it is also plagiarism. It's more like overt plagiarism too, which is pretty crazy. There are very specific ones about like colleges and university news. Yeah. And one of a writer for a university newspaper that was saying that every time that their university paper published an article less than an hour later there would be an AI

version. Is there a world where they're trying to just also farm end of playlists where like people are listening to X or Y show and they don't have anything queued so it gives them something discoverable? I do feel like that it would have to it would be tough to get into those. It is funny that like they have multiple podcasts about Marcus Smart today, which is like probably the least, like no one cares about Marcus more like that. The big news for me from Lakers is the Reddick Donchin bench brawl.

Can we listen to that? Yeah, can we listen to that? Oh, wait. Look at Lakers comeback beats Pelicans today one minute, 20. And then scroll up to the very top. Yeah, that was right there. Laker Smart leads comeback win over Pelicans. It's probably the same.

It's the same story. It's like to what Jacob was saying. It's a different article about the same topic, and then they just like... I wonder how effectively it excises the authorship. Like, if... Because there's no oversight. Like, how often it just goes like, hi, I'm Fox News. And then, like, like, because it's just scraping bullshit.

That is so funny. Maxie Kleber questionable is a whole podcast. No one fucking cares. But like, are there ads on me? Sometimes there will be like a five to second second. ad on the end of... Interesting. Like a Spotify?

Because they're so short. It's like how who's gonna stick around for a ad? But if you can even sell, but at this with AI bullshit like if you can sell it, you essentially have an infinite amount of ad spots. So even if you're making a small amount of money per ad, that adds up. That's what people are saying. It's like because, uh, the effort is pretty much zero here, even if only like 25 people listen, then like over all of these, you're going to get.

at something sort of meaningful. 100%. But yeah, let's listen about the brawl. You're listening to Los Angeles Lakers news today. Your time's running out. You're wasting my time right now. On your team. Lakers coach J.J. Reddick has shaped a potent

offense around Luca Donchiche during their first... He's Italian. Hey, I'm Don Citch. Luca Don Ciche. Give me a fucking basketball. I'm trying to fucking dunk. Hey, I'm dribbling over here. Don Giovanni.

Whoa, I'm playing Overwatch. Hey, I'm Don't. Cheech, okay. I'm just trying to play a little fucking Oval. Hey, I'm trying to be Slovenian over here. Don Cheech. Whoa, I don't laugh, but I do a funny schmirk. I'm smoking that Don Cheech and Chong, if you know what I'm saying.

I'm not Cheech back. Don Chich tops the league in scoring, helping keep the Lakers right in the mix in the tight Western Conference standings. As the 2025-26 season nears its end, Reddick has ramped up the team's intensity on defense and offense to stay in the playoff. Hunt. A recent win over the first win over the game. The Golden State Warriors sparked some sideline drama when Don Cheech and Reddick got into a heated

exchange on the bench. The moment quickly blew up on social media, drawing tons of attention. Reddick brushed it off as no big deal afterward, stressing their strong bond and how these flare-ups are just part of NBA life. I think it's funny because in my mind, I'm imagining them jumping between Don Chich and Don Cheech is literally like whether or not the accent is over the scene. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what the accents call, but it's like the little like.

Or even if there's like a comma and his like the guy's cadence. Do you think that he, because it's so deliberately highlights that it's voiced by the creator? Do you think that's like you're trying to get around any kind of service dues or something like that? Like it's based on his voice because then it's, I don't know. I don't know. It's just why, who cares? You know what I mean? Maybe I'm just being the wrong kind of cynical.

But I feel like a longer, not a lot longer, but like a 50. fewer episodes at 15 to 20 minutes implies a legitimacy that might make it more weird If they just like combined some of them It just seems a little less If they did it maybe twice a day And we're like, okay, what are the top?

I guess you have to have just so little respect For everything Like you have I feel like you have to have So little respect to yourself So little respect for audiences It is one of those things too Where it's like you know you hear like Oh there's a podcast about my specific hometown

like, oh, great, you immediately listen to one episode and are like, oh, this is garbage. It's bullshit. Yeah. This is a, it's, um, are they doing the, like, Nigerian prints with a, with Diamond's email strategy thing? Like, why is, is it just supposed to catch one out of every million people? But it doesn't ask for anything. He says he's creator of the Daily News now.

If he scroll down, does he say, does he brag about himself here? Podcast hosts, podcast and producer on OPP, other people's podcast eight years ago. I interview the world's most popular podcasters so we can learn about them and the dope shows they made that they most hate you Isn't this like the exact opposite of that? It is a little bit like cannibalizing your own like I guess if he had podcasts

Then it's trained on that I guess He was a showrunner at Double Elvis Productions Hilarious name for creative audio producer At Apple For six months at Apple I do think that this All right we don't need to go too deep method does catch quite a few people, like, if you think about the greater scheme of...

I'm always thinking about the greater scheme. Or the greater population. Lord scheme. I do wonder, going back to what y'all were talking about earlier, if people growing up with AI are just going to be, like, so inherently smarter about it because they grew up with it. It's kind of makes... I was laughing at one of the... One of those podcasts was called Unbiased News, and it was by straight arrow productions.

Okay, it's scary. That sounds like a big tech. Yeah. When we were kids and maybe even like people older than us, everyone said, like, oh, video games are so bad for you. And they're going to, they're going to ruin your eyes and they're going to make people violent and blah, blah, blah. And in Jordan's case, that's true. But for most people, we know, like, that's. not true and and actually we know that video games can kind of teach great skills also like

whoa somebody told my parents and like certain violent skills who said that but i think that kids growing up with AI this is me being hopeful and optimistic for once maybe they're going to grow up with this like sort of like distrust of anything that is like this and immediately be like no you got to have like you know like you were saying like more analog or more like things with mistakes in them and things that don't look his mistakes like what was the where was the weird line break all that a group of AI generated people is never not unnerving I know yeah it feels like I'm about to have to drink like Koolay to die. Yeah, this is the other

AI generated podcast. Wait, I'm going to identify some of these people. What's wrong? The middle is AI, Angela from Smosh. The right is AI Sam Cedar. The other to the left is AI

Andrew, what's the guy who's Oh, Andrew Schultz? Yeah, yeah, Andrew Schultz. On the right is probably some guy from Kill Tony. Actually, I feel like the guy with The baseball cap on could be that guy from last podcast on the last. Yeah. Yeah, maybe.

Just any, like, Earwolf type podcast. I do. To your point, Anastasia, he's the Hulk. I don't think that there's either, I think there's two, two endings to the arc, right? And one is good guys win. And good guy win is that people that are inundated with this. grow up with that greater level of cynicism. Yes.

Then there's bad guy win, and it's good people grow up nullified to it. Right. Like aware of it and aware, but just so numb because their options are so limited that they capitulate to it. And they're like, I listen to the Lakers daily news now because it gives me information. It's more efficient. I get it immediately. And I don't have to hear about whether or not.

The Market Smart's defense led the Lakers in a win over the Pelicans. A few times a day. Also, what if people start calling him Luca Donchiche? We have to alternate. It's Luca Donchich, Luca Donchich, Luca Donchich. It is, in that format,

is it not more efficient to just get a push notification from a news app? Yeah, I would rather read a headline. It would be overwhelming to anyone. I can't imagine someone's actually subscribing to a podcast

that releases that frequently. No, no, no. Hooking. No, no, no. There's no, no, there's no one called olive oil. No. What? There's no one called...

There can't be a thing called... Is it a show or an episode called Olive Oil? Look, can we listen to the birds podcast or what? It was something like cuisine colon? Oh, it was an episode that's only about olive oil? Maybe. I don't know, shit. I could probably summarize olive oil.

What was that one that you just pulled up, though, Jacob? Because you had looked up Inception Point AI and it had episodes about like Jimmy Kimmel and stuff. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So Inception Point is this other podcast plot? platform and so they have shows about like Jimmy Jimmy Kimmel Jimmy Jiml. It's a Jimmy Kimmel AI generated podcast.

Like about his life. The hell. This one hasn't been updated. Oh, it's a three part. It's just a in the bio. From Brooklyn Wise Guy to cultural conscience. It just reads you the way of the conscience of late night.

It looks like they just took essays about Jimmy Kimmel and just like, okay. It's a yeah, it's a re-digesting the meal and it's been and into your mouth kind of thing. I do think it's very dark that there's one on the Rob Reiner murder. I was going to say, I mean, I assume that that was just already produced actually

manually into something as well. What about the Fuentes phenomenon? I don't care. I don't want to open that Kimworms. Sleep paralysis. What about the bad bunny? Bad bunny.

Is that bad bunny's like logo or something? No. Oh, it's just a bad bun. Oh, it just says bad bunny. What the hell? It is about, oh my Lord. Oh, my lord. There's a lot of...

Wait, let's listen to some of it. Wait, what's the boy to say? It is about his life, right? Yeah. Oh. The funny thing is, bad bunny has like a little... Bunny. Alter ego guy, and he is a frog.

It's not a... Good bunny. He's not funny. It's kind of a... That serial mascot type scenario that you mentioned. Yeah, the frog from a honey smacks. It's a honey-smack situation. Should be a bee.

Wait. Can we listen to a little bit of the bad bunny? Before recording. We were teaching Jordan about American series. Yeah, that's a good time. A. I can't do the A. I'm trying to learn. It's the low drawer.

Beach days, desert nights, mountain trails, or serene lakes. Mike Thompson's RV has something for every life. What's it has? Wait, pause. It's a small town ad. Yes, that makes so much. It's, um, wait, what's the name of it again? It's local network TV or something?

We didn't have it. It's like public access. Yes, public access. access where it's like yeah we're shooting this in our garage but we get one ad from timmy's Toyota and that's a grand this is a southern california RV superstore interesting mike thompson's RV that's yeah it's dynamic it's probably dynamic ad insertion to yeah it's only $45,000 for that uh whatever that was we've had your v already own an RV our service experts will keep you on the road worry free

that was my issue is that I already own a I'm so worried that will restore your RV to like new condition have a trade the whole thing's an ad for no oh maybe we're everyday we're everyday people doing good in our community

our goodness it's crazy to have this many ads in a four minute podcast this is the episode about the Super Bowl bad bunny the Puerto Rican superstar known as Benito Antonio Martinez

Ocasio is dominating well hold on I think he's known as bad bunny Because his nickname is his name. Oh, that's who people are talking about when they talk about Benito. I thought it was, they were talking about Benito and Tonyo-Mortino Zicosio. I grew up with him and I know he had a new name. Yeah. Wait, the voice is so bad.

Can we listen to any other one and then jump to the exact same point and see if it just. Here, here in small town Toyota, you can get yourself a Toyota. Toyota. Bad Bunny shared an emotional message on social media. This is a summary of a post. Like half of this was ads. The artist expressed gratitude for how Dominican- 45 minutes of this podcast was ads.

Should we do that? I mean, I guess it'd be for often. Yeah, comment below if we should have 40% of this be ads. The team behind the engine, relax. That's too many people. There's no way. John peed? John.

I do like that Katie Brown is like flirting with us Yeah, hey Hey Someone's got a morning show Are these real people? I do wonder I mean John Pete is so funny

John Pete Eddie Brown William Colby I would just change my name Yeah or at least go by John P is also better If this sounds like you Let's build together Always AI

Always fun Always forward You live and breathe the AI tools. You're curious, experimental and future forward. You thrive in collaboration. I'm always fun, certainly. I'm definitely not often depressing and annoying and isolated.

I'm always forward. I definitely don't kind of like just kind of liaising in my comfort zone replaying a game I played before. And I'm always AI. I'm always AI. You should apply. Whatever. Go ahead, click apply now.

Oh, my God, that yellow. That's John P. They need to hire a fucking CSS person. Can we go ahead, click on one of those? I'll apply. I just want to get in there. Just, I already know all this stuff. Go to application.

Perfect. Okay, my name, Artudito. Ever requires sponsor to work in the United States? Well, it asks for your visa. No. I am all covered. Don't worry about it. Personal website, we can just link to this website.

And then, oh, it actually never asks for us to write anything substantial. It asks for a resume upload. That's all. Just not, no. Can we get, yeah, use the image we just downloaded. There we go, perfect. Just some screenshot we found at random. Hello at example, perfect.com.

And then put forward slash in there as well. And let's also throw in Jacob was a email. Forward slash in an email. Yeah, just as a backup. If you answered yes to the above, I didn't, but I've, you know, if they need me. So here's, we will, it's going to a dead email. so we'll never find out anything about. What do you mean?

As soon as a... Whoa, that's crazy. As soon as a human reviews your credentials. Oh, I think you were always AI. I thought they were always AI, dude. Also, yeah, what's the image that died at the top of 30? It's just the logo, right? They fucked up that bad.

Even the text is that I've got off. All right, man. Nigel Thistledown is very... That's actually a really charming name. Okay, that's your nickname. Nigel Thistledon. Thistle down. I died cheese rolling.

and I was returned when lightning struck my corpse. Vivian Steele, I think, is their pop culture one. Oh, wow, they have Instagram accounts? They have Instagrams. That's wild. Can you give me just, I just want to see one reel from her, because I'm sure it will help me. Ugh.

What? Wait, is it, is it? Why is it showing her? Show me celebrity. There is someone who doesn't know she's AI saying red carpet goddess. Or is there just no dialect. She's talking about Kate Middled. Oh, she is Kate Middell.

Checking my list. And Kate's holiday habits are immaculate. She rewheres her icons, stays loyal to classic Christmas colors, and serves elegance without ever shouting. Some of those even look like AI videos of Kate's. I know, I guess. Yeah, because that I guess you don't need the license.

Yeah. Or whatever. What's that one in front of a barn? Oh, is it Taylor Swift? Everyone watching, Nicole and Keith's split wasn't sudden. In his circle, the separation was already inevitable. Everyone watching.

Who's Keith? What happened? Who's Nicole? Who's this? Beckham Family Feud, that screenshot. It looks like that one girl, the female Ben Shapiro. Oh, Brett Cooper. Yeah, it looks like Brett Cooper.

Look, Brett Cooper. I can change it. I hardly know it. You better not. I could give her a chance, I promise. VV Steele. Coler Delish. By the way.

That's funny. Man, just still also no traction. Hit the heck. Oh, this is the one that does kitchen. Confidence like olive oil AI culinary bestie Oof Serving up kitchen

High The thing is The people that Screen this even at the lightest Right like that generate stuff And then post They are always going to be so out of touch That it's like the copy

Always reads like potterful It's always got that same like Epic win Hey bestie You posted the most Pog champ meal Yeah it's gonna be salt Patti boy's Penny Power

So different It's not I guess how I would have read the imagery. She looks so anime. It's more like... Whoa. Is this hand animated? That looks so good.

That's incredible. I love the text on the back of the coin. It says my favorite word, which is... Noni. No, me. It depends. Sometimes it's different. Nune.

Sometimes it's a dollar that time, but not these touch. So your baby, so your $1 makes a baby coin, and then your baby coin makes another baby coin. Have you not been watching a house? stuff, man. So what you know about exponential? I'm being vulnerable with you guys

and I'm being honest about what I know and what I don't know. I don't know how to make my baby coins. You spin it around with powers. It's just basic money reproduction system. The inventor of the penny powers the lollipop budget.

Is it based on the size of the Yeah. Yeah, make sure to get your utilities to be a small one. I don't understand because like I can tell that the rent lollipop is like bigger than the other lollipops but like not I can't tell by how much

it's pretty cause and I'm pretty sure fun and groceries are quite similar in size yeah and so were they telling me to spend as much money on groceries as they do on fun is that this why they created a like pie chart so that I can see them next to each other I need less or more lollipops question mark from Joshua

somehow rent is all the jumbo pop. Balance them well, and your wallet tastes a whole lot sweeter. Wait, this makes no sense. Give savings a boost, and try not to let utilities steal the whole lollipop. But everything has its own lollipop. You have let it. She's failed.

At the same time, having multiple lollipops and dividing the lollip. Maybe at one point in time, it was a single bolus lollip. Wait, go back to the lollip image. It's saying like, okay, so you got your red lollipop, right? And so purple represents. It's like purple, blue, yellow, green. Every color represents its own little thing. They're all an aspect of rent.

Oh, my goodness. And it's all swirled together. And the groceries... Very clear. Very clear. The grocery one is a pride book. This is, like, green is for your produce. Yellow is frozen.

Right. Which you want to get first. Right. And then red. I mean, it's like the food pyramid. Yellow rent is for your summer house. What? Purple rent is for your winter house.

Wait. I just, it's another like, fuck, everyone is so, like, they're so out of touch because why are you using imagery for children

for budgeting? Why would they get that? What's crazy to me is that even as a waste of energy, this is a waste of time. Yes, this is an even bigger waste of time. Like,

even if I would, I had tasked you with wasting as much energy as possible, I would fail you. Yeah, I would at least just use too much gas. I would say,

wow, you did a bad job at wasting my time. Yeah. I don't. That is nonsense. That, like, lollipop one is not even in an AI sense. Just deranged. It's like they have stupid AI.

They're like can't even format things that make sense. There's plenty of these pages that are just made by people with the exact same quality. Why? Why was that made? That's my question. It's like they, it's like the, they cut it off before the free trial. Like, it's like the free trial only lets you do two seconds. Such a good way to break it down, says D's digital life.

Candy canes are temporary. Shut up. Is Joshua Taylor real? Because he's on a lot of these, but saying like different stuff. He's like one of those people who's upset about GPT40 going away. That's right. Yeah. She was mine.

This is actually his girlfriend and he's just being supportive. I am realizing that we now live in a time where there are reply guys to AI women. Yeah. Which is an upsetting prospect. Although, I guess, we're siloing them in an echo chamber where they can't do any damage. We're like quarantining them in that. Kind of like if we could take just all of like alt-write Twitter and then give them a labeled version of Twitter that they think is public. By the way, her bio says smart tips, big wins, zero boring jargon.

And then proceeds to describe the most confusing lie pot metaphor. It's definitely not boring. But it's also... Okay, well, let's make like penny power and help some dollar dreamers grow with smart tips, big wins, and zero boring jargon. What if your fun lollipop is occupy $5? I think of a podcast as five lollipops. Five lollip. And that's a stripe.

But within each of those lollipops is every color of the rainbow. And they're twisted and turned around and they're also spun into a spiral. Oh my gosh. Let's make the funny lollipop the big one. Oh, no, seriously. That doesn't make any sense. Well, I just make sure that the busy lollipop doesn't take up the whole lollipop.

It has its own lollipop. By itself. By itself. No boring jargon on this show. If you do want to violently bite into your fund budget and throw $5 at Patreon.com. That was really good. That, ironically, it was very good.

Not bad. I love that. It implies that most of mine are bad. That one's good, though. I don't even think you throw your hat into the ring that often with a little transitional metaphor type of way. Yeah, you're right. It's a perfect, I'm Chris Kyle, perfect snipe.

Yeah, you're just like, you're batting a thousand. But you're not batting very much. No, I'm not in the MLBD. You're just really the first time you've never bat. I don't play baseball. Yeah. Um, yeah, you can have on the Patreon.com. We're talking about some wacky and wild stuff.

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