Sad Boyz - This Show Should Not Exist... (w/ Kennie J.D.)

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

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Welcome to Sad Boys, a podcast about feelings and other things also. I'm Jarvis. I'm Jordan. And today we're joined by a YouTube visionary, a commentary queen, a R&B recording artist, and a pet owner. Yes. Kenny JD. That's the one I'll claim.

This is the only one where you didn't look surprised. Everything else is just a fluke and seeing how far I can get a bite. YouTube? How are you doing today? I'm good. I'm good. What do you see? Are you seeing yourself now as a YouTuber?

That is. Yeah. Hey, what do you do? I'm a YouTuber. It's one of the things that I like kind of awkwardly have to admit to like on dating apps and stuff. So it's like. What kind of videos do you make?

I get one of those. Yeah. Well, now it's just like movie reviews and stuff now so i can't i don't have to like oh that's nice and concise yeah because before i was like oh i edit videos right i'm a digital media specialist hey um i you know i just do content that's kind of like innocuous now so or like I work for a media company. Marketing was a big one at one time, but now I'm like, yeah, I do YouTube. When I only did podcasts, it was, oh, audio production. What kind of stuff do you make?

It's like me saying shit. I love lying on dating apps. I think it's the best thing to do. Yeah. I sometimes still pretend I work in tech. This is the safest option. Well, you do, in a way. In a way. thing to do. Yeah. I sometimes still like pretend I work in tech. This is the safest option. Well, you do in a way. In a way.

That's true. Yeah. I just feel like I could, it's a lie. I could very easily keep going. I'm sure I could date somebody for like a year and they would have no clue that I didn't also have a... There's no follow-up questions to partnerships, by the way. If you say like, I work in tech and they're like, what kind of stuff?

I'm like, well, which I used to do. I go like, oh, partnerships. And they're like what kind of stuff i'm like well which i used to do i go like oh partnerships and they're like that's great yeah they're like i don't know enough to ask a follow-up question actually that's awesome i'm it sucks when you date someone who's really enthused though because i'm like yeah oh dude exclusively in san francisco back in the day oh yeah i just like the enthusiasm more so than the actual word themselves like go go you. Yeah. Love it. Enthusiasm is good.

Just in general. You know what? Can we say we're pro-enthusiasm on this show? Hey, man. One of my favorite dates ever was that Reiki healer slash marketing consultant that brought a snake to the date. Right. That was fire.

You did mention that in one of our Patreon episodes. Patreon.com slash sadboys. Yeah. Snakes only. That was fun. That was a good date. That was a good lead-in what did you do before youtube that was a student oh okay so you just went straight the student youtube pipeline so um i started my channel when i was like 16 okay so i had it for a real long time but i didn't do it like full-time until i graduated yeah we're young as fuck as well.

Yeah, we're so young. I think we're all. Do you watch Fortnite? I'm 28. Oh. Jordan's 16. He's actually our intern. Can you stop swearing?

My mom doesn't like it. When's your birthday? I'm 28 too. January 9th. Whoa. I didn't know why you didn't say yours yours i can tell by your eyebrows that you're a taurus fuck what is i don't i'm not even that is a defining element before yeah can you tell by my eyebrows that i'm a taurus no did you know we have the same birthday we do me and him same year too

no no i'm the elder statesman yeah i'm the youthful i'm the beta i'm the elder statesman. Yeah, he's the elder. I'm the youthful exuberant. I'm the beta. I'm the guy. I'll tell you what the youth is into these days. Oh, I had to name them all. The clock app. Kenny JD. So you have a clock app.

Man, I remember when TikTok was a song by Kesha. You guys fought with Musical.ly? Oh, man. I remember I was at Patreon when TikTok became a thing because we were talking about Musical.ly because Musical.ly was having a whole moment and like the post Vine. But then it was like, oh, there's all these like teens that are dancing and lip syncing. And that's crazy. What? Yeah.

And then it was like the company By Dance like bought. Wait, what was it they bought musically and they merged the apps because tiktok wasn't like a well-known brand in the states but then it was oh i thought it was merged with musically oh that and i know this because i also was um back when i was in tech i was like reverse engineering like APIs. And I remember looking at TikTok's requests that they were sending to their server and they were hitting musically endpoints. That is going to mean something to someone out there. My nerds. And to circle back, the enthusiasm.

Yeah. I didn't understand a word. Yeah. Well, something you do understand, J.D., is bad movies. I do. And reality TV I noticed I was watching your love is blind recap to see if we had exactly the same takes which we basically did yeah uh which means you're correct um consensus was that love is not blind love is not blind Kwame was a decent person at

first though I did think Kwame was okay so then you were wrong well that was a prediction based on one episode but after watching the show he is the most unenthusiastic man in the world. Because he would, okay, so there's this guy Kwame. He is a former- I'm the avatar for people who have not watched this season. I just haven't got around to it,

but I like the other seasons. So if you feel free to direct explanations. I think if we were to like whittle down like key themes of this season, it's um well how about you provide a theme i'll provide a theme charitably second chances oh second chances is interesting for me it was triangles love triangles fair okay well which is your favorite it's the same idea yeah yeah because there's a lot more love triangles than you would expect. Like the way that like someone gives you criticism at work.

It's like, it's not bad, but different. Like that type of interview. I think anybody gets feedback about their work now where they go, I appreciate the project and the work you put in. It is mid. Your output was extremely mid this year. I was looking at your slide deck on the marketing presentation for this quarter and it was mid. Your output was extremely mid this year. I was looking at your slide deck on the marketing presentation for this quarter

and it was extremely based. So I wanted to congratulate you on that. It was based on Epic Bacon, essentially. For sure, certainly. No cap. Do you intend on being quirked up in Q3? That's what the Q's for? Yeah, quirked three.

We're young. We're young as hell, dude. I literally was hitting the gritty like earlier today. Yeah, I was actually doing the jerk. No, wait, that's old now. I was jerking. Oh, fuck. Didn't they bring it back for like three days and then?

They did, yeah. Oh, wait. Do you remember when they brought back the Harlem Shake, but it was a completely different thing? No. No? Because. When?

Because, okay, okay. I didn't get my like so when i was no but that's i feel like the harlem shake was like co-opted a little bit like culture vulturified because when i was young in the stone age i think the harlem shake was something that you would see like little romeo Lil Romeo do in like a music video. Yeah. You know, like one of these. Certainly.

I'm doing, I'm sort of doing it in slow motion just to like pantomime. Edits on that is going to be crazy. Yeah. For the audio and losers, he looks insane. But then in like 2015 or something, the Harlem Shake became something that they would do on Jimmy Fallon where it would be like, it would, it would,

people would be like dancing normally and then there would be a cut and then everybody would be like in crazy costumes and shit like that. I believe it was, it was a Joji bit that blew, pre-doing Joji as a musician when he was still Filthy Frank,

ostensibly. It was like a viral Joji. Timed Joji. Interesting. Or Funky Frank. Yeah, because it wasibly. It was like a viral joke. Interesting. Funky Frank. Yeah, because it was weird. I was just, because people were saying Harlem Shake all the time. And I was like, that's not the Harlem Shake that I knew. Are you talking about that weird, like, coke-driven fever dream of everyone doing, do the Harlem Shake.

I think so. Wait, hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cut to black. Cut back in. You, hold on. Do, do, do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do. Cut to black. Cut back in. You're in like a Pickle Rick costume or whatever. I was in high school, so I think it wasn't as recent as we think. Yeah, it's a pink guy thing.

So, I guess there's going to be a drop. Yes. I don't even think be a drop. Yes. I don't even think they changed costumes. Yeah. Yeah. So this is not what I recall as the Harlem Shake. What's the view count on that? Because it's not. Because it's not.

Where are the baggy white teeth? Yeah, learn hip hop dance. Harlem Shake. Let's watch Mahalo dance. Let's figure it out. Yeah. Harlem Shake. Let's watch Mahalo Dance. Let's figure it out. Yeah. Harlem Shake. All right.

It's been around for a while. I've never seen like a tutorial. It has been. Like a tutorial. I love it. I can't believe I found myself here. Welcome to How to Dance. Because everything else.

On Mahalo. Mahalo Dance. His name is Professor Locke. And we're going to respect him in his classroom. Okay, I'm sorry. Dr. Locke. He has resting angry face. Excuse me, can I just say, he's the director of Dance Touch Collective.

So I would appreciate if you. That's on his LinkedIn. He's tenured. Exactly. I was just hoping. Now when I click this, I was hoping that he would show a little bit of an example of the dance at the very beginning. So I wouldn't have to watch it. One, dot, dot, boom, dot, dot, boom, dot, dot, boom.

Okay, yeah, no, this is the Harlem Shake. Okay. Yeah. Just steady feet, wiggling hips, shoulders. Yeah. Okay. I think we need to, like, triple time it, though. Well, he's a dance teacher.

He's getting there. I'm trying to. Is this the director of Dance.com? I do not know what to tell you. Here we go. Five, six, seven, eight, go. Yeah. Yeah.

This is the Harlem Shake. How old is this? 11 years. Boom, boom, bop. Boom, boom, bop. Those singles. Single. Boom, boom, bop.

Shoulder, shoulder. Ah. Boom, bop. Boom, boom, bop. No, but this is... No, but the Harlem Shake... The actual Harlem Shake. The actual Harlem Shake, I... It's like 2004. shoulder shoulder ah boom bah boom boom bah no but this is no but the Harlem Shake the actual Harlem Shake the actual Harlem Shake

I it's like 2004 yeah it's like I was watching like I'm not even joking like Lil Bow Wow was young yeah

and he was doing it in music videos and like Romeo was doing it in music videos he was like 6 presumably that beat

just caught on and then that video was a dance video was blown up by Pink Eye. It's the infinite resurgence of things from... And then it was brought back, you say? ...yesteryear. Well, yeah, well, the Pink Eye thing, I guess. From yesteryear. Remember the Harlem Shake?

Oh, me lord. Back in my day, we were doing the Crip Walk. I remember. Oh, On the fields During harvest When it was musically Hey come on now Oh that's fun

Good times 2019 in this season I don't know how we got here We were talking about Love is Blind We definitely were not Speaking of Shake Shake from Love is Blind

Was a bad guy two seasons ago yes yeah two seasons ago but we were talking about kwame yeah um and he is a man who is a former professional athlete turned i don't know he works in tech tech marketing type thing yeah pawn shift i okay so i disliked him immediately, though. Yeah, you had the read. I think because I just have an aversion to people that feel like every word they say is a presentation. He does give that vibe. Tech aesthetic. And it's, well, you know, even with tech people and, like, I think.

Hate them. Get rid of them. Tread lightly. They suck. and like I think hate them get rid of them tread lightly they suck no well I I was I you know I went to Michigan so there was a lot of tech people at

the area for college or you just went for college I drove through Michigan and I saw my fair share of tech people like U of M's like oh yeah essentially a cult

and so they're kind of everywhere but you kind of learn about the type of tech person that you have. And they're generally nice. They complain about not sleeping much, but I get it. There's not a lot of conversation topics really. It's not like jujitsu. It's like just them speaking in like fucking Morse code or something.

And they're like, and I haven't slept in six days. And then God forbid you say, yeah, I'm having a rough week. What did you have a rough week with? How was your work? Oh yeah. Did you start a startup like me? I was actually doing a hackathon with two of my bros. I made a fucking rocket, dude.

Oh yeah. At home. That is a real. I was driving my RC car. And that man was Elon Musk. That did, that does happen i remember back when i was in school there was a bit of like a constant a constant pissing contest of of like you're you're not grinding hard enough yeah it would suck results is not the thing you review it's the productivity porn like yeah i

haven't slept in just four years well i remember that's such an embarrassing thing to me now it just indicates a lack of like self-control and routine which is not and like you sound like not a fun person to talk to you're just inherently we're having this conversation again cool man improve yourself do you know who still. Improve yourself. Do you know who Peter... Still improve. Never be. Change. Do you know who Peter Thiel is? Yeah.

Do you know who Peter Thiel is? He's kind of a conservative tech billionaire. Known for a lot of shady shit. But back in the day... If you can believe it. He's one of the PayPal guys. He's also a co-founder of this like defense contractor called palantir um but he is most known for like being one of those like billionaires

who's like pulling strings behind the scenes politically nowadays he also bankrupted gawker media because of that uh hulk hogan sex tape oh yeah so So he financed Hulk Hogan's legal defense, uh, because he had a vendetta against Gawker for outing him, I think because he's a gay man. And I think there was a Gawker article about that. Now I'm not here to cast judgment on any of the things, but Peter Thiel has done about a lot of bad things,

a lot of questionable things. Um, but he is a product of like this tech world. And when I was, we're talking about the glorification of, I didn't sleep, I didn't do this. He had this thing called the Teal Fellowship back when I was in college,

where, or maybe freshly out of college, where he would give students, promising students and founders and stuff, like 100K to drop out of school and start a company. And I think there were maybe 20 of them or something like that. That could almost pay off the loan. And they all lived in a house together.

It's like the world's worst reality show, but it wasn't being filmed. And I was just hearing stories about people like living in closets and shit like that and because they were just trying to like minimize their spend but they just like had no sense of self-preservation or uh or like i don't even know like and their brains don't work they're undernourished and they don't sleep yeah and it's all about changing the world and i'm like you need to change your sheets my guy like disrupt the way you're being yeah disrupt the toothbrush yeah yeah using it but it like it vibrates it's disrupting itself um but i just remember that as being like the peak in my mind of that that culture because it was truly seen as a...

Glorification. It was like everybody who was doing that was congratulated as some luminary, as a 19, 20-year-old. I think you had to be below a certain age to do it, too. What did you do in college? I double majored International Politics, Economics, and Development

and a Korean Studies major. Interesting. Wait, so that first thing you said was three things, it was one major yeah okay international studies and like the concentration oh i see i see oh you should have got an extra one you know what i mean for doing that they should have given you like a bit of paper an extra bit technically i have two degrees yo well okay hold on can i stop stop flexing on us I simply have one Just computer science It's just a big computer degree

Yeah okay well Some of us Yeah Ever seen Chesky said It's fine I just came back Yesterday I went to see Bo's Afraid

I saw you tweet about it i was gonna ask you i'm gonna cuss my manager out because he's i love him i love him to pieces he's like a big he likes the weirdest shit in film so he was like it's a masterpiece is he like an ariasta guy he likes oh yeah he's a 24 they can't do any wrong right similar fetishization honestly on the film media side yeah as there is for like like p Peter Thiel started his own bizarre political party and stuff. It's three hours. Oh. I'm not going to make a video on it, so it can go here.

I can't. I can't make a video on it. It's a fever dream. I don't even think calling it a movie is appropriate. It's an experience. Okay. It's like taking you through a voyage of one man's irrational anxiety. There's a penis monster somewhere towards the like ladder.

I've always wanted to understand what it's like to be anxious all the time. Yeah. And pay money for it. And like to pay money for the experience. What is that like? I couldn't imagine. For three hours. For three hours.

Is this going to be one of those things where like annoying male film students are like, this is the peak of cinema? Well, here's the thing. I, before seeing it, because my manager, his name is Cole, he like texted me. He was like, guess what I'm going to see?

And I'm like, you're going to go see that new Astor movie. Aster movie he was like yeah they're doing early screening and then like the next day I saw someone tweet who probably went to the same screening and he was like I will read it off because it's the most beautifully written tweet that I've ever seen and it made me want to and it made me want to watch it, uh, that much more. I've only seen the like most extreme takes about this movie on Twitter. There is no, there is no. Yeah. Did you like, uh, hereditary and or Midsommar?

I love Midsommar more, but I, I did like hereditary. I haven't seen either of them. Midsommar made me feel like uncomfortable in a way that wasn't like evocative because a movie different movies have different emotional palettes it's about how they deliver them Midsommar made me feel like

someone was just holding my hand too tightly and I just didn't want to watch it Hereditary I loved and I watched it very late I watched it like two years ago maybe Where is it? I really need to stop tweeting so much A lot of pretty messed up stuff

Your tweet actually Mr. Teal Please give me $100,000 We have a cancel corner where we just Gathered a bunch of your tweets It's a gotcha podcast Speaking of my anxiety personified It's a gotcha podcast. Yeah. It's a gotcha. Speaking of like my anxiety personified. It's a Twitter monster.

You're this you-ing. Yeah. It's an entire segment called this you. It's like hot ones where he looks at Instagram except for it's all your like worst tweets. Yeah. We searched it in like offensive keywords in history. Because I do, I'm very fast and loose with my Twitter if you haven't noticed. Oh, here it is. I went past it. So like you really could this you me and I'd be like, I'm very fast and loose with my Twitter, if you haven't noticed. Oh, here it is.

I went past it. So, like, you really could this you me, and I'd be like, I probably said it. Yeah, that sounds like something. We just made up the tweet. I've tweeted things that I don't remember. I was like, this is a fever dream. Quote, this is from at the noise FM, just left a screening of Bo's Afraid. Before credits started rolling rolling one guy in audience

stood up and yelled quote I better not hear a single fucking person clap another dude screamed that's the worst movie I've ever seen unquote a girl yelled quote a total piece of shit the same screening

these are all people with the same screening. I started recording audio on another group that said A24 should be dissolved as a company and called it a career killer for Aster. I don't think it's a career killer. Interesting. But it's fanciful. Again, if we're going to be charitable about it.

We dubbed that. You said something really offensive. Yeah. Dubbed it with fanciful is what we're going to do. Yeah, fanciful is what we're going to say and not the worst thing I've ever seen. Please don't.

You don't know what you said. I will give them this. Technically, it's one of, it's an incredibly made film. Oh, I thought you were going to be like, I'll give them this. Technically, it's a movie. It was there the whole time.

Arguably. Yeah. I paid like $18 to see, why is everything so fucking expensive here? Oh, it's so expensive. Like I was like, oh, maybe I want to move. Nevermind. I'll take a break.

We were just in Florida and I was reminded of how cheap everything can be. It's the first time I've ever aligned with those like super trite, like people will spend $8 at Starbucks every day, but they won't get Twitter blue. I was like, well, I don't want Twitter blue, but I also, God damn it. I love that it was never verified. So I't have to but you're broke actually so no but i was never verified either way one did you see that metric where someone i'm going to use some tech talk again to say here's how they verified it they used like twitter yeah speaking binary just stop They used the Twitter API to query users or something. And when you get the information back from the API, there's a bunch of information about a given user.

And you can tell whether or not they're a Twitter Blue subscriber. And so they did this throughout all of Twitter's users. And they were able to find that on the day that legacy verification went away there were a net 28 twitter blue signups which is a wild that's astounding i don't like i still i think that this manner of verifying things could be fraught and could be incorrect but But I choose to believe that only 28 people net signed up for. To make, if it were a hundred times that, it would be embarrassing. I think that it also came up to like, there's 19,000 or something,

Twitter blue subscribers, which is a very small number. Yeah. Considering how much money Twitter needs. Yes. Considering how many users there are that are very active. I saw a tweet that made me smile it was like um elon musk was on a conference call and he forgot to mute and you could just hear him softly crying and i was like what little justice crying in white south african which is

like oh yeah that sounds french I'm rolling through. Is everyone French? I guess really me. In Jordan's world, everyone he doesn't like is French. Oh, I want you pay me for this. My father owned a stake in a... I can't do it. I can't do it either. I can't believe you. I've got to buy an emerald mine.

Did you see the... No, sorry, I'm not. Don't attack me on Twitter. Did you see that where he was like, started trying to say it was a lie that his dad had an emerald mine and there was no evidence of it? Yeah, because it's a thing that maybe 10 years ago

in interviews he would reference. But then more recently he was like, actually, this is false. And then not only on Twitter did they have the community context added where it was like, in 2014, he said this in an interview. But he said that he would give someone a million dollars in Bitcoin or sorry, no, a million Dogecoin, I think is what was said. I don't know if it was a million dollars in Dogecoin or a million Dogecoin, which is probably like 35 cents.

But if they could prove that this existed and then errol musk elon's father said hey can i make that money because i can prove that the emerald mine existed because i owned it and and uh and then it was like yeah like elon's siblings have all these emerald uh pendants and shit and elon saw the emeraldseralds at our home growing up. And I don't know why he's like acting like he didn't have this. And before you write the comment, owning any stake in an emerald mine is equivalent to that. That is contributing, that is benefiting from South African apartheid. Yeah.

At all. I've never done any of it. So I actually haven't even done a little bit of that. No, but it wasn't even like people weren't even trying to say that he was his father, right, in owning this mine. They were trying to say that, hey, you kind of like had an immense privilege and it was kind of built on, you know. And there's this assumption like I'm self-made and it's like you're not. But then what is even his goal? Because what he can't say is, my dad wasn't rich.

That's just not possible. Because that's like ostensibly, approvably the case. His dad also married his stepdaughter. There's just so much. His dad. His dad is like busy being terrible. There's too much for one life. His dad married his stepdaughter who was four years old

when he married her mother. Morgan Freeman type beat. Oh, did Morgan Freeman do that? He married his step granddaughter, I think. He asked Woody for ideas. He's like, hey Woody, you have any...

I just watched Midnight in Paris. I was wondering how to be horrible. How do we ruin every movie you've ever liked? Where's Ron Polanski at? I was like, hey, Woody, you have any... I just watched Midnight in Paris. I was wondering how to be horrible. I love your work. How do we ruin every movie you've ever liked? Could I be crazy? Where's Roman Polanski at? Did he move? Yeah.

What was he known for? Only for Rosemary's Baby, so it's been nothing else. I only weirdly recently learned that... He did romance. No, like the Mansons targeted his ass. Oh, really? I thought, I just, I only knew that he has romance no like the Mansons targeted his ass oh really I thought I just

I only knew the he has a bunch of movies that I quite enjoy and also was a sex pervert that's like all the information so there's this third layer you gotta you gotta do the third chapter

sometimes there's little like cultural events that just didn't no I think I learned that from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood me too

yeah I knew maybe he like knew them I legitimately had no idea he was like married just a little cult they shouldn't have

done that shit that was fudged up Matt Manson shit fuck him you know what I mean fuck him man despite what you said on your Twitter

about how he's funny what you said he was cool you said he was hot Charlie Manson you were like I may not agree with what he did

but he was you're one of those weird oh have you seen those Twitter people that are like, oh my God, Jeffrey Dahmer. I feel like I have to,

I feel like I have to defend myself first before we change the, change the topic. You can try, we'll cut it. It's a joke. I didn't say that. We're making an entirely anti-Kendall cut.

Have you? Again, the this you cut. We are the ops. We are the ops. Like, honestly, you just have to like,

search any point where I said, I'm just going to drunk tweet. Because those are fun. I was like, ask me questions. I'm feeling reckless. Oh, sorry, but not to interrupt you. You said I'm going to need to defend myself. Oh, I'm not a fan of Manson murder. Oh, okay.

Jacob, cut that. I'm actually indeed not a fan of Manson murders. We're going to use the Joe Rogan AI and dub it. Yeah. Right. So Love is Blind season four

recently wrapped up. Speaking of the Manson murders Speaking of being recently diagnosed Netflix is murdering their own brand yes yeah Love is Blind season 4

was it was marked with controversy I feel like a news a news anchor because there's a few things that happened

one well a small thing was that they advertised the reunion as being a live broadcast oh I loved it. And then they just didn't do that.

They had technical difficulties. On Netflix was the idea? Yeah, like a good old fashioned. Netflix was like, hey, what if we were like regular TV? I didn't even know that that was like, apparently it's the second one they've ever done. I didn't even know there was another thing. I not of love is blind,

but just in general, in general, right. Okay. Streaming. And, um, I don't know what the first one was,

um, or if that's actually true or not. Um, but I, I, I remember like being really revved up to do it, like watch it when it came on live. Cause I was like,

Oh, this is going to be fantastic and I just kind of fell asleep and had a headache and then when I woke up I was like oh shit I guess I got to watch that oh can I curse on this? What the fuck are you doing?

Only cool ones As long as we don't like say bad words in the first eight seconds Like a spongebob edit Oh yeah a foghorn As long as we don't say bad words in the first eight seconds. Like a SpongeBob edit. Oh yeah, a foghorn. Yeah, and so I was a little late to it. And then when I clicked it on, it was like, we're still loading.

And then I went on Twitter and it was trending. Everyone's like, what the fuck? What's the benefit of it? Why would you care? Well, because if you watch the season it's so tumultuous for no right i think the idea is that you're gonna see it's kind of like the bachelor does these live too where you're like oh you might see some stuff because it's live it's unedited and by proxy of it being live it just ended up turning into this kind of like the way i like understood it was just mostly like little sly jabs at production.

And it made production look really shitty. Like, essentially, like Kwame, there was some controversy because he said he wanted his name to be Alex in the pods. Interesting. And because, and it kind of came off as maybe a bit self-hating uh as far as him as a black man and then uh he did do it it's not like that was an idea and then he didn't do it no he didn't do it because he went in as kwame he went as kwame but he was telling people like i considered going as alex and so it comes off kind of like well what does that mean and then in the reunion he's like they conveniently edited out where I was like I'm really proud of who I am and I don't go by Alex

and so regardless of how that comes off like I want to be known as Kwame because that's who I am right and I'm you know proud of who I am in my culture and stuff he's like that just conveniently got edited out oh Oh my God. Poor Zach. And then the thing that drove me insane, because a lot of, after the reunion, like a lot of people were really upset at the Lachey's in particular. Yeah.

Because they did not come off well. No. In the reunion? Well, Nick Lachey doesn't do anything. He's just kind of like. And Vanessa Lachey picks weird fights. Really wants people to get pregnant. Pregnant.

Like she's. Well, yeah. She's like, so where's the babies? Oh, I want babies. Yeah. Where am I? How do you make them? Nick Lachey's only contribution during the reunion was to be like, we've taken a step

back since season one. And it's like, we noticed. And you were barely there during season one. We love that you grew. Yeah. And even though, Asterisk, we put you through this incredibly, like, possibly panic-inducing situation,

I love that you were able to build and grow from it. Yeah. And that you didn't let it get you down, like that type of energy. Yeah, but, and then,

and then, yeah. Just to ask, where would, is this one of the strongest seasons of the show? What do you mean by strongest? Versus the other seasons? Yeah, that's a good question.

Is this, I think entertainment-wise, I think, it the other seasons? Yeah, that's a good question. Is this... I'd say entertainment-wise. I think... For me, it's probably up there with season one. It's rage-inducing. Yeah. So if that's... There's a lot of WTF moments.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of, like... I think more so than ever, there's a lot of, like, boundary pushing. Interesting. So arguably inappropriate, I guess, depending on who you talk to, like people flirting a little too much when they have a partner. Yes. It was really weird. Yeah.

The mixer, like the events where they like hang out after the pods in previous seasons we've seen them have like a weird conversation after they're seeing somebody they almost like that they dated for a while but ultimately didn't end up getting engaged to after there are they already have a different partner like and there's been drama before about conversations that happen in those environments but this season took it it felt like like going back to kwame right he ended up having like a bit of a connection with another person that he didn't end up engaged to and how it comes off in the show is like he ended up engaged to who he ended up with because the other girl just didn't decided to go with another guy right so after they've now met they like it's

also that's another component like people are really like catty this season yeah in a way that i am not quite used to because it tends to be a bit of solidarity between i think maybe in season one there was that what was his name barnett and his army girlfriend yeah yeah barnett went to the same college as me so i remember him but she i feel like she was like if anybody come from barnett i'm gonna like chop their head off or whatever like i remember her saying some shit like that but other than her i feel like it hasn't been super confrontational the angela was like his other kind of closest person barnett and ang Angela, and then Angela partnered up with just, she just partnered up with the tiniest man in the world.

He was like very nice. Yeah. Was that the girl that drank too much? She was older than the other contestants. She was in the late thirties, I think. Yeah. Oh, what was his name? He was so cute.

I know who you're talking about. And he was, the unfortunate part is know you're talking about and he was he the unfortunate part is he looked like a scaled down Barnett and once Barnett rejected her she just like

pivoted to like well I'll just take the junior the mini-hugger yeah the wish.com more portable

yeah but yeah there was a lot of conflict this season and a lot of yeah boundary pushing is definitely a good conflict this season and a lot of, yeah, boundary pushing is definitely a good way to put it because-

Were there any protagon- Like, were there any people that were likable enough to kind of root for? Yeah, Tiffany and Brett, who- I think you had a much fairer assessment of them. I just thought they were boring because they barely showed them because they were perfect for each other.

No, no, no. But it is a great, like, a non-problematic depiction of black love is like a nice thing to see on tv um they're they're they're conflicts there's only two that i can think of one is uh when tiffany asked brett who is a designer who like works at nike and yeah like a shoe designer and stuff and his whole story is like he designed, he like, like made designs on his own and like sent them around or something and somehow got like an interview with Nike. Yeah. Yeah.

They discovered him on Instagram. Yeah. And, um, so one of the only, like you only see two conflicts I feel at the entire show. One of the conflicts is that Tiffany asked Brett if he owns any expensive items yeah and and his answer is i kind of paid a lot for my carry-on luggage and she was like how much and he was like twelve hundred dollars and then she like was like brett but i didn't think that i mean that's expensive expensive certainly but like the way they were kind of building it up, like he spent some crazy amount of... He also works in a job where I imagine he's traveling a lot

and in a lot of meetings where you have to keep up appearances. Yeah. It's interesting that that's one of the more expensive ones, all things considered. I mean, if he is... That's what I was thinking. He says like outside of like technology and stuff. Right, outside of technology.

So what he's saying is he doesn't have a watch that's super expensive. He doesn't have like jewelry, the surface things that you would typically associate with like a, I'm, I'm a bad candidate for this because I, I spend money on dumb shit all the time. You should be able to do that. I thought that the conversation was like,

what does it matter if he's being financially responsible? Exactly. Spending, spending a, like on, on things is only bad if you like can't afford it. Right. does it matter if he's being financially responsible? Exactly. Spending, spending a, like on, on things is only bad if you like can't afford it. Right. And it's in Brett's like,

I'm 36 years old, 35, 36. I work at, I'm like a, I'm very successful in my career. I should be allowed to like have nice things. I'm passionate about this.

And then like his pants not fitting. That's essentially. And that is my favorite conflict because they were working to try and make something seem the beginning of the season. In the trailer. In the trailer. In the trailer. They were like, this is not. This should not happen.

We should have planned. This should not. This is unacceptable. And then when they actually show it, I was like, it's just his shoes are missing or something. You're like, wait, what happened? And he's like, oh, my pants don't fit. They're a little, could you bring them in a little bit, please? And it's like, Brett has to go to the tailor 90 minutes before the wedding.

Brett's pants are insane. He was like, he's so unreasonable. Some people were really like, he's being a groomzilla. What? It's his wedding. And he's a designer. I thought that was the most like honestly the coolest thing whenever they like showed him is when he was being like very particular about his

suit i thought that was really cool i thought it was one of the few times you can actually see character in in these shows because they do they bend over backwards to almost strip any personality from people. Other than just like being the villain or the protagonist or stuff like that. The example I was going to give is these weird conversations that they always have with their group of friends where they're like sitting around a table. It's like the producer said, okay, you and your five best friends or any friends, I don't care if you know these people talk to them my third cousin sometimes they just don't have enough community yeah have them interview you

about how important it is after uh insert your personal strife here you know what i mean it's like oh yeah after i lost oh yeah let me see that trauma yeah that really affected they literally did that at one point zoom into like zoom into like, and who else? One girl was crying and she was in like the bathroom and they like took the camera and they were like, oh my god, this is perfect. You can see her hand on his back. She's holding him sobbing. It's just like, oh my god. Look at it. I was just thinking about

David. Oh, it's David. What happened? Have you ever asked yourself like if you were in a situation like that, like what friends you would bring or something To defend you If I was married at first, love is blind If you were given the ultimatum

At the circle, love is blind The mole They were in Michigan That's what this season was? No, no, no, no An upcoming Also it bled into Portland and Arizona. That was weird.

Yeah, that was weird. Because I think you're setting the people up. Yeah, that's what I thought. I was like, how the fuck did you get down there? It was insulting to California. I don't know if you guys have seen a map of the United States, but it's very difficult to bleed Seattle into Arizona. And then it becomes a major conflict for some of them, obviously.

Exactly. Because you're a hell of a long distance. Yeah. But yeah, like an upcoming season apparently is supposed to be in Detroit. And so a lot of people were like adding me. They were like, oh my God, you should go on it. I was like, I would rather drag my ass on hot coals. You should go on the show that you more than anyone else know is manipulated.

Like untrustworthy. My edit would be fucked. I know they were kidding me. I'm like, she's just awful. I'm like, you motherfuckers not getting me.

Like you have one of those conspiracy cork boards with all the things that they cut out deliberately. I wouldn't even get engaged because I'd just be there like stoic and quiet.

I had these motherfuckers in here. Hey, what do you do for work? Oh. What kind of videos do you make? It doesn't matter.

Do you have internet? In which case, whatever you like. I don't even know what internet is. I'm actually, I live in the countryside. I'm Amish. I'm never connected to the online. What's making it so that this room is bright without candles? I don't really believe in technology. We're the hamsters.

So the hamsters that power our town. I'm one of the Arizona Amish. Did you see, speaking of horrible conditions, did you see the Insider article? I have yet to read it, but people have been adding me. To me, I can guess. Well, because I have it on our list of things. Oh, can I guess? Oh, please.

Undoubtedly, people have been sent into some form of like breakdown. Because when you think about it, the actual like experience, the entire construction of it is you're sensorily deprived for 10 days. You don't have your phone. All you do is for 20 hours, you sit there and talk to a wall you're talking to a person one at a time at the most starved you are for emotional engagement yes so i wouldn't be surprised like maybe it's a little late to get this empathetic now now that i've made like a whole everybody sucks this season video but like I started to think about it like that kind of context like and that's why I personally feel like I wouldn't feel comfortable being in like a show like this even outside of like me being on social media just simply because I I couldn't imagine like I don't. I'm hyper aware that I'm here to entertain in that context.

And like by any means necessary. And if I don't, they'll make it. And if I don't, you know, and like, is it worth it for love? Kendall never said it on screen, but mentioned off camera that she was thinking about killing everyone in the world. And becoming Thanos was something that she was thinking about killing everyone in the world and becoming thanos was something she was like i won't stop until i've snapped half of them out of existence and those are her words they've got you moving like a puppet so insider put out and this bothered me this is a premium article that you have to like pay to see um and it's about the like horrible working conditions

of the people on Love is Blind. But it's called Love is Blind is Hell on Earth. Contestants say producers deprived them of food and sleep, preyed on their anxieties, and refused to let them quit. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah, it is dark.

Refused? Well, yes. I've always wondered what the contract is like for this. In this article, they say that if you do not have a producer's approval to leave, you can be fined up to $50,000. So

that makes people want to stay because they're afraid that they're going to be out a bunch of money that no one has on hand. I always wondered, because what is your incentive to go all the way to the altar? Are you compensated for the show? Yes, you're paid, as of this article, $1,000 a

week, which due to sometimes shooting days exceeding 20 hours, you get paid an average of $7 an hour. $7.14 an hour. Is that even minimum wage? No. I mean, in California, I mean, they're not in California, but, you know, it depends on where you are, but it's less than minimum wage everywhere. Just to have, like, your trauma and turn into a villain online.

Yeah, it's not a lot of work, you know what I mean? Yeah. You're also, like, living in a trailer with, like, 15 people, and, like, some people have said the bunk beds were so unstable that they were afraid to like sleep in them why does this happen do you know what I mean like just don't you Netflix does not want this press right they don't want these optics so just don't do that just don't be an asshole man the the bed good get another trailer well i guess here's the like the the pessimists in me it's like i don't assume anything is done for people's comfort oh no no just in the most cynical way to avoid bad press but yeah it's one of those things where they're trying to balance i feel like we like shows like this and things like this are on this razor's edge balance between making as much profit as possible cutting corners as often as possible and trying to

do enough to where that it doesn't tip over into like bad press like and sometimes they balance because imagine because not everyone that does the experiment ends up like on tv right so imagine going through all that shit and you didn't even get possibly whatever benefit yeah i mean josh who ended up with jackalina apparently got engaged to somebody else on the show and all of his stuff was cut. Yeah. What? Yeah. That's, that's alleged. What a pimp. Oh yeah.

I did hear. So remember when he was like, um, I'm going to pack my stuff if it's not you. Apparently he said that to somebody else. That's what I heard too. That was just his line. That was his line.

That's fucked up. That's Riz actually. Fuck. It's funny to think the weird, warped interpretation. Because one thing that's always bothered me about this show and some of the adjacent ones, especially Married at First Sight, even more so, not to the point where it was something from watching it,

because it is morbid fascination, but it does sometimes feel hard to avoid the fact that it's kind of silently a kind of Protestant Catholic relationship to marriage. Where it's like, these damn, it's very traditionalist. Like, these apps won't let you find love. These millennials and their apps. A lot of people for him, like, I guess I'm just, you know, I'm more old school. It's just for looks.

And then they meet. And if they're not physically attracted to each other, it dissolves. Because that is 50% of it. Irena says, oh, he looks like a cartoon in Bad. And I hate how he blinks. But I'm already obliged to marry him. So I guess I actually do love him. Jacqueline is like, normally I'm into, I don't know, guys who are attractive.

And Marshall's really not doing it for me. It's his weird face and body. I don't think that, I don't know, guys who are attractive. And Marshall's really not doing it for me. It's his weird face and body. I don't think that, I don't know, maybe this, and I think back on like kind of the hate, even me particularly, giving to like people like Shake. Well, he was a dick, but like he was an asshole. But the core premise of like, I don't believe that love is blind.

So that's why I wouldn't go on the show. Guess what? If you really make this kind of connection with someone and you are, your sexuality and identity aligns with what would make for a partnership, and that is what you're looking for, and then you are not attracted to them, you just got a homie. Yeah. You just made a friend. That's great.

But I think it, in part, is just blocked by people's idea that well there's like once you have a number of emotional points right with a person you're supposed to be able to ignore right that's the rule you can't be friends do i want to tell this story fuck it uh so like i uh the preparation no one of the closest friends that i've made in the last year or so was somebody that i went on a date with like i met on a dating app yeah i have friends like that i'm the type of person that like i'm not immediately attracted to people very quickly so i kind of ignore it at first because i'm like i'll end up attracted to people usually which makes a slow burn kind of or is it like i mean there's

also you know the spectrum of like demisexual where you like have to get to know somebody before you can even that you can even consider right like attractive in that way like like if you look back on my dating history there's no like type if that makes sense it's just like a person that i'm like situationally. I'm like, oh, yeah, I believe the quote that you gave us was, I ain't got no type.

Bad bitches is the only thing that I like. They're not, they weren't even. Oh, damn, damn. Well,

that's a shame. It is. It's, it's, it's, it's jacked up. Actually, it's fucked up

getting fucked over by a person that you never found. It's like, damn, I found the beauty in you yeah and now you see them after they like piss you off yeah you were like you were a project look that's not everything that's a quote from marshall to jackalita um oh i i was i wasn't a legend. They're both bad. Can you believe it? Yeah.

They're not great. Um, so like I, we went on two dates, like I couldn't hold his hand. I couldn't like kiss him and I couldn't put together. Why? Oh, you,

you were like emotional restriction. So you're Irina and he's Zach and he's like, can we kiss? And you go, but I'm not a liar. Sorry to compare you to one of the worst people first of all yeah you're saying you're scum is your point oh yeah i see i'm just like overly honest and i was trying to be like honest to him and that's like why i was treating him like an asshole but i couldn't get out of mexico um no we went on two dates and in the middle of the

second date it clicked I I can't you kind of in a weird way look like my cousin and then I realized that's why I can't do this and then I left the date he wanted to to like give me a hug and I just did like the church hug and then I left and then I text him I was like hey and I didn't tell him that at first I was like hey you know I it was and you know what's fucked up it was the best date i've ever been on oh no and that's how it usually happens he like prepared a picnic we painted each other's portraits oh wow he brought a charcuterie board that's a whole that's a whole bachelor date right it was so you went on a date with a production team. It was just one guy. Hi, Kyle.

What's his last name and address? He's single and a great guy. He looks like my cousin. He looks like my cousin. I've never seen my cousin. Unfortunately, I've been afflicted with cousin face where I look like everybody's cousin.

Out of your friend zone, you look like everybody's cousin zone you look like everyone's cousin it's it's just the way that my face looks i feel like that's good news though like if you're getting early physically somebody's not connecting with you but you feel like they are on this other level and he's like is that if you if somebody said to me then it's because you look like someone i'm related to be like oh great okay That's literally how he reacted because at first he thought the only good answer. At first he thought it was because he painted me very poorly.

Oh. That's awesome. Because he was talentless. He was like, damn, was it the painting? I was like, no, you look like my cousin. And I realized that on the second date. It's funny that was it the painting? He must have really had that in his head.

He was like, I really fumbled it. I still have the painting. It's in my living room. Was it by Chakudary? No, I love the Chakudary. It was the best seasoned almonds I ever had in my life. Are you big date planners, like effort planners? It's an event.

Well, right now, no. I've never been a big date planner just because I wasn't a huge dater until very recently like within the last I guess the thing with fame and riches yeah

well no I was just awkward and uncomfortable you were like Bliss from Love is Blind very no sorry I just keep making

references to Love is Blind because they're such a cast of characters and and Zack and Bliss are awkward but perfect for each other. So good for them.

I didn't like them. It sounds like maybe a very good season. No, it's really good. I think it's definitely worth the watch. You didn't like them at first?

It's not that I didn't like them. Second chances themes. So he proposes to another girl first and then they meet and she's the one that's like,

ah, ah, ah. You're my cousin. No, she literally says you look like a cartoon and he says, I know. And you're creepy. He says she's creepy.

Oh, yeah. Are these true? I mean, he's just an awkward dude. He just, you know, he strikes me as someone who's a little socially awkward.

He has a mural of two owls holding a katana in his house. That's some shit I would do. Are you serious? That he commissioned himself, yes. Okay, that's rad. Yeah. He's a lawyer. He has a mural of two owls holding a katana in his house. That's some shit I would do. That he commissioned himself, yes. Okay, that's rad. Yeah.

He's a lawyer. He's a lawyer. Like, you know, he's kind of awkward and he had like a bit of a... Not a bit. He had quite a tumultuous upbringing so that kind of makes him maybe a little bit socially awkward in some ways. He really had a... He looked like a cartoon? That seems like a very... He did kind of

look like... Sorry. I'm sure he's watching. I'm trying to think of a cartoon that's not insulting. Well, a lot of people said that he either looked like a property brother, or he looked like... To me, he looked like Archer. Oh, two very handsome examples.

He's not unattractive. No, he's a good-looking dude. Archer, a character whose joke is how good-looking he is. No, he's not unattractive. No, he's a good looking dude. Aren't you a character whose joke is how good looking he is? No, he looks, he's not unattractive. I think, and that really goes to show,

like, if you're not an attractive person, it isn't like, because they're like, on paper unattractive. Despite the fact that like, love is blind. But anyway,

I interrupted you. You said you were, you only started dating recently because you were awkward. Yeah, very religious upbringing. Oh. Yeah. So there was kind of like a refractory period where I was just kind of like, I want to date, but I don't know how.

Right. And so I didn't start dating. Were you religious in college or after college? You just didn't sustain it or there was just like a long slow phasing out period i wouldn't consider myself particularly religious now um i would consider myself like a agnostic i guess like i believe there's a generally benevolent god or gods or whatnot, but I wouldn't consider myself very...

But yeah, I was raised very Christian and socially conservative and stuff like that. And so when I... Is that regionally pretty common where you grew up? Is that like... I think more so. Your peers were as well? I think more so than the average around me. Oh, okay.

What corner of Christianity was it, if you don't mind me asking? Um, they refer to themselves as like non-denominational, but it was definitely like evangelical. Oh. My parents, particularly my mother, was a very like religious person. So that was like ingrained. And so like when I went to college, I kind of just naturally found myself not as like, you know, there was just too much around me that didn't fit into this very like black

and white view of like, that's us. You're amongst friends. You really didn't fit through the biracial lens. Yeah. It was, I was looking at them in a kind of red bone. Sorry.

So like I just kind of slowly found myself like piece by piece, like not identifying with a lot of things that were. And then by the time I graduated college, I had like reached this epiphany that like I'm going back home. And that's really when it was like the split because I'm like oh I really I felt very black sheepish like I don't oh you it's kind of a you can never go home again but with like theology and stuff and there was like two years before I moved out and then that's when I felt comfortable dating because I because I felt like I had to over

explain myself if I started dating and i had to yeah i think that there's probably a lot of people who are going to relate to that no absolutely you know who who because i think there's this assumption like people just like and i make no qualms about talking about like being a bit of a later bloomer um just because that's like it's more normal than people yeah and it's more normal than people and it's more normal than people think I think a lot of people are just like yeah I'm just like

fucking and like I'm just like the man and I'm just having bad sex every day I don't know the logistics of having a roster like how the fuck do y'all have time but like Google Sheets helps yeah Jacob manages my calendar then we thought you should do the podcast yeah you're so good at this maybe we can expand your

role outside of just my hookup cal but now it's like the issue isn't even like I don't want to date. It's like Michigan is not it, dude. Oh, okay, yeah. It's just fish wielding. Wielding the fish. Just fish wielding. Look what I caught. Is that like the dating app vibe? It was funny because my friend, it got to the point that I was just so over it

that my friends just for funsies was like, can we have your account so that we can swipe for you just to be fun? And two of them were on at the same time. I didn't realize that. And they were just talking to people and they were like, this is unfortunate. Like your choices. Oh, no. Yeah.

Just a bad read on that. Or were they people they were attracted to? Well, they know if I were to have a type, which I don't really. But like when I say a type of person that I'm attracted to, they have like a general idea. And they kind of like asked me, like, why don't you date your type? And I was like, have you seen my type in Michigan? Right. So.

Kind of fish wielding type. Just fish wielding, camping. Fit wielding is such a funny word. Like a sword. It's like he's going to slap you with it if you don't go on a date with him. Bird watching. And that's nothing.

I get that too. Because in LA, there's a lot of people who love the outdoors. And the outdoors is fine. It's beautiful. It's great. We need it. It's great. We need it. It's important to our livelihoods. Maybe they haven't heard about like the last of us.

Yeah. Or like the inside. Cause I, I really like it in here. It's gaming as well. Would you survive the last of us? In the last of us universe? Yes.

Okay. In the game where it's, it's just fungal air in the game and that make it turns you into a nasty in the show. Into a nasty. In the show. It's like if you touch a wall, right? In the show, you have to, like, have a... Basically, they have to have contact with you.

You have to get bitten. Oh, that's so much more, like... Or, like, bring spore. In the show, they didn't bring the spore aspect to it. Yeah, you can be bitten or touch, like, the fungal surfaces in the show, I believe, right? I didn't watch the show.

In the show, no. In the show, no. You literally just have to... I don't think in the show I believe right I didn't watch the show in the show no I don't think in the game either in the game it's air and bites yeah I don't know man I think I just don't did you like the second one oh I haven't oh okay then I won't say anything I think it is I have enormous issues

with it but none of them are the go woke go go broke. I had a wonderful time playing it. I cried in the credits and then like the big overland analytical shit that I am. I just enjoy, I enjoy looking back on it and being like, this is what I don't,

I can see what maybe there's some production trouble. Very presumptuous. How about you? I liked it. Uh, I didn't like it at first for, Oh, you had like a little slip.

I played it once and just complained the entire time. And then I was like, okay, fine. Let me give it an actual like good go through, considering you set me up emotionally like this. And then I played it. I was like, oh, fuck. All right. I guess it's pretty good.

All right. I guess they didn't go broke. All right, fine. And then, you know. We'll see, Jarvis, if you are ever tempted to. It's very long, though. pretty good all right i guess they didn't go broke all right fine and then you know what i will say if you are ever tempted to it's very long in this it's very long and it's very like it's kind of like i was saying about midsummer where it's not just weighty in the same way that like the first one is it's i completely would understand somebody wanting to turn it off because it's so

miserable. It's so, especially by the time you get to the end, it's just like soul crushing. I would say it's, it's cynically miserable in the way that the first game isn't where there's, there is no, well,

there's some, but like not, it's not the focal point of the story. There's no relationship developed or arc taken in the focal point of the story there's no relationship developed or arc taken in the way there is with Ellie and Joel

I don't know where the show ended but even with the firefly it ended at the game oh okay so even the original ending like shot for shot it's bad

but they are still close and they have built a familiar relationship right there is there's basically no equivalent of that it's just miserable.

And like the relationship she builds with like her partner. Oh, that's true. I mean, yeah, but I never felt they had chemistry. So I was like, uh,

not your type. I mean, I felt like her and Riley had more chemistry, but she's, you know, dead. So if I were in a real life scenario like that i think i would try to die as quickly as possible no absolutely because i have no interest in living in a world where i'm

not in comfort oh yeah dude where i like don't bathe on command well you know what there's like the start to the first game and all those kind of universes is we need to get out of here because the military is going to nuke everything i'll be like that's sick you can can i be where it lands yeah so i've killed the bad guys like my mouth open as the bomb drops please um i do have a lot of nightmares where i'm like running away from danger and i'm like do i really have that survival instinct or in real life? Would I just be like, you got me? I don't. I don't.

I'm quite squeamish. Because what am I fighting for? Right. Exactly. What am I going to do? Build a house? No. They decide to, the only thing that they really took a lot of like artistic license with was like Bill.

Is that his name? Bill. Yeah. They like made a whole story. with was like uh bill is that his name bill yeah they like made a whole story that was sick and he kind of like people beloved it's beloved right like that's a really good part of the show in the show it's so good i cried i was just like another dipshit four channels were like um they made him gay which he is yes which he is in fact i never liked how in the first game they they they kind of just flippantly well they just include like there's some gay porn in his car and they're like oh okay it was there was an interesting subtle story here but now in retrospect i'm like well thank fuck because now there's objective evidence right the redditors have to be like well shit man yeah and like they

created this beautiful world for him and that was cool he created this beautiful world for him and that was cool he created this beautiful world for him yeah that was really cool there's a lot of maybe the side characters are wonderful in the first game especially you don't get to spend much time with tommy you don't get much time with bill but the bits you do get a that's actually maybe the highlight of the second game tommy is like a really interesting yeah because tommy was definitely left led left me wanting more in the show his a behavior i'll call it or like the the his story his arc he has like a very full arc is says a lot about joel because it's like oh they're both they both have this joel wasn't a crazy person they're both when shit

needs to get done they're ready and also it's implied you know in the story originally tommy and joel were doing fucked up shit for 10 years and like being smugglers and murderers and then right i think they leaned more into that in the show a little bit yeah the illusions at least he's in it right tommy yeah i don't know who plays him he wasn't there much he was just there remember the actor but yeah he yeah he's introduced in like the first episode and then you know because there's all this thing of getting back to tommy right right it's like when you finally get back to him um they have like a few moments but he's really not in a ton i just remember that i have a firefly tattoo um everybody thinks it's skyward

sword oh yeah that's fine how are you feeling i'm feeling good yeah it's easy right it's not scary at all. Yeah. I was here, like, I was telling him beforehand, I was kind of nervous. And now I'm just like, I guess. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Everybody who's never, or like has not as much podcast time gets nervous. Frogan was really nervous.

And then did it and was like, oh. I think also because there's kind of like a, like a, a wandering filter in my head most of the time. Right. I've, so in the last few, this year essentially has been like me trying to like step out of my comfort zone in a lot of ways, like socially in particular,

cause I'm kind of a keep to myself type of person. Like all my friends have just like appeared if that makes sense right so they spawned in i think when you're just six foot tall standing there and people like hey you want a friend i'm like people are looking at a lot of like experience like initiating conversation and like friendships and stuff like that and and also because of that i do recognize that a lot of things that i do is kind of to myself um so hobbies and activities. Yes and no to myself simply because of just like logistics. Like my friends don't live super close by. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Most of my friends, the closest ones are 30 ish minutes away, but they're in like opposite directions and we're, and we're mutual friends. So they, we have to meet somewhere. Right.

And with Michigan snow, like one friend her car is always like she's traumatized it's like really bad like a lot of driving and stuff like that um and then everybody else lives out of state right oh wow yeah are those like high school friends college friends or something what um the friend i'm meeting, she's high school and college. She is trying to move back to Michigan. And the friends that are in Michigan are both college friends. And then I have friends, like one of my closest friends was a subscriber of mine when I was very early. She's in Tennessee.

I have some other friends that I met when I was in study abroad in Korea there in Florida. How was study abroad in Korea? I mean, I used to go every year before COVID. Okay, cool. What was the catalyst? I know you did Korean studies, but like, I guess what came first? I'm interested in Korea. I'm going to go.

Did you exclusively study it there or you did the three or four years? No, I studied it in Michigan. There's a pretty big Korean community in Michigan. You were like studying to be a K-pop star. You were enjoying all those kind of verses. In a similar vein of like reality TV, I'm like, this just seems like a lot of fucking work. I have no interest in that.

How long were you there? I would go like three months at a time. Wow. So the first time I went was 2015, I would go like three months at a time. Wow. Kind of like, so the first time I went was 2015 and I went for school. Um, at the time I was mulling over the idea of becoming a professor. So like for research and language studies and getting my Korean better. And then that's kind of like where my channel started.

Like it was trying to learn Korean. And then now we're here. However the fuck that happened, like 10 years or. Oh, my God. 11 years. Wow. Take that as a guiding light to anybody that feels like they don't know whether to make content because they don't feel clear about what they're doing. I've done so much.

And it's the same channel. And I just really appreciate my viewers because they're just kind of like along for the ride right um but yeah and I was there at Seogwang University and they have like a language studies program I was there for like three months and then I came back that's Seoul yeah and then I went back and I went to Yonsei University which is like like a essentially like a Korean ivy yeah I was supposed to have heard of it and then after that I was there was a period in which I was doing like trying to combine interests so I was um like I like makeup and stuff like that so I was doing

like k-beauty related stuff and I would work with businesses and I'd be out there and oh cool yeah and uh do you still get to be I guess maybe it's harder now to be immersed in the language but do you my Korean sucks now yeah and it's so sad because I spent so long like a lot of my college friends all of us speak Korean so like when I'm with them we'll speak Korean sometimes oh that's cool but why don't we have a language? Oh, brother, we have our own weird little language. Every time we unmute... I mean, it's Japanese.

It's watching weird reality television and referencing like Bruno. Referencing Bruno from Black White is our language. Oh, have you ever seen Black White? No. Oh, dear. My brother Black White? No. Oh, dear. My brother in Christ. It is everything you want.

It might be up your alley, maybe. Is it a reality show? Is it ever? I don't even know. It's of an era where reality television, you know, it's mid-2000s. It's especially like, oh, I see some stuff was cut here. There's no way that a producer directed this. It's a six-episode series aired like primetime Fox.

Two families, black family, white family, swap races. They use like prosthetic makeup and prosthetics to swap races. Listen, listen to me. You look like you just whited out for a second or blacked out. Listen to me. They won an Emmy for makeup in 2006. It gets worse. It gets worse.

It gets worse. Uh, ice cube executive produced it. It gets worse. It gets worse. No, stay, please.

It gets worse. It gets worse. After the show, worse stuff. After the show aired, after the show aired, the entire cast went on Oprah, and they did a whole episode about racial bias season stop. That sounds very 2005, though. Oprah has scrubbed this from the internet.

Of course. But they have a race machine, and there's this old ancient gif on the internet of oprah's face being translated into different races it is wild fully clouded um but yeah the dad from it is this white actor who does not believe that racism exists and so a lot of it is him antagonizing black people and he and throwing throwing out the N word all the time, hard on him. Oh, he'll say it. Yeah, he says it. And there's no buildup.

It's not like, it's episode five. Bruno's decided to just say the N word. Oh, yeah. Instead, he's just like. I know what you're wondering. I do think, though, like one of the things I've always said to myself if I ever got the opportunity to meet Gabrielle Union is to bring up the movie she did called Neon Ed. Never heard of this. It's called what?

Oh. Neon Ed. Look at us exchanging problematic media. Wait, can I, before we start on Neon Ed, can I just quickly show you the theme song to Black White? Also, this is a white girl. Was it also Who Died? This is a white girl, by the way. This is a white girl.

Couldn't tell, right? And there's a lot of reveals of black friends that they make where they go, actually, I'm a white person. Oh, they send this girl, she's 16, to a slam poetry group. And she... Hey, hey. With poetry that is almost exclusively about black pain

it's only about black pain and suffering and she's there the entire time going oh they're so beautiful her mom calls black people beautiful creatures which is nice no it's not no in a good way

it's a good thing. Stop being so sensitive. You want to be an ugly creature? Yeah, exactly. And yes, Ice Cube does do the theme song. I was going to ask. Okay. Did you get your race card?

Hell no. I didn't get my race card. Did you get your race card? Hell no. I didn't get my race card. Did you get your race card? Hell no I didn't get my race card Did you get your race card? Homeboy Where you get your race card? Did you get your race card?

I don't know it doesn't work the other way It doesn't You don't pass as a white person It's insanely bad We talked about it when we watched it And I think one of the biggest contributing factors Is the fact that There's so many more years of blackface technology that has been-

Yeah. They've been working on it for years. They've had a lot of time to get better at that one. They had to get so good at it that it's in Tropic Thunder. You know what I mean? They had to build a system. Whiteface technology started in 2006. It started with the white chicks.

Oh my God. It's literally as good. Plus they have to do it. And like, they have to overcompensate for how obviously it's not real to the point where, you know, they send them to a driving range cause it's a white.

Oh yeah. Uh, okay. I was going to say, can you guess where they send the black teenager? They send them to an etiquette class. So it can act normal. So, so what, what do black people teenager? They send him to an etiquette class. So he can act normal. So what do black people do?

They talk about black pain and suffering in poetry slams. And white people go to etiquette school. Send them to a comedy club, which is great. And it's like black performers only. And the whole time the dad of the white family is just like, what the heck are you talking about and then that's when he drops on the n-word from the oh yeah he said they didn't make fun of white people enough and then he said shit not about me and then his wife and then his wife uh said the phrase

the n-word instead of actually outright saying it and then he he is like, come on, they say it. It has no right being that catchy, though. Oh, it sucks. It kind of just fucks up. Please don't believe the hype. Everything in the world ain't black and white. That's how I felt when the Cuban-Americans made a song to vote for Donald Trump. Oh, dear.

Is it good? Oh, no. It was kind of slappy. I'm so excited that he's back. We're going to get so much bad media celebrating his bad personality. Do you remember Bruno's rap? The white dad who blackfaces as a black man has a song. What is it called?

A midlife rapper. Midlife. Oh, my God. I'm so sad that you have this in your brain. I was free. So this is important for you to see. It's an important historical document. This.

Midlife rap. I just caught that. Oh, yeah. Get ready. It's something that I made, actually, months and months ago. It's called midlife rap. Months before this project even came about, I bought a camera and a computer so that I can do my own video projects, and I ended up doing a rap video. After watching rap videos...

I don't know why that was funny to me. And I ended up doing a rap video. I said that even back then. I did a rap video. I got kind of frustrated. I thought, you know, the middle-aged guy or the middle-aged person should have an opportunity to speak

his or her mind as well. And it's sort of a commentary on today's rap scene. Nick, you might in particular like this. I'm anxious to show you this. You might in particular like this. You might like this because you've been to etiquette class and you've learned to be appreciative of the stuff that we enjoy doing. Because you like rap music, and that's what I'm doing.

And there's no difference between me and 50 Cent. We're hippie, y'all. We hip. Midlife rap. I'm going to try not to sing along. You know what it is? Oh. I'm a midlife rapper, and I rap from A to Z.

I'm middle-aged and dapper with a vocabulary. No, I don't wear giant golden chains back and can't snap down my butt. I don't disrespect the ladies. I don't call them hoes and sluts. Sluts. Sluts. Sluts. I forgot about the ad-lib. Sluts. Sluts. Like a black guy

and he's really slamming rappers. You know, just really ragging on them. I tell tales that are squeaky clean. I stay out of police stations. Stations. Stations. Stations. It gets worse. It was just really obnoxious. It was just like ridiculous. I work hard to feed my

children well. Teach them lessons about life. You've slapped your so-called bitches, if not stabbed them once or twice. You just hear the words. It can come out a little bit harsh and controversial. I don't blame anyone. He's like, I'm honestly, I'm like, I don't know. Who is he?

He's like, my words are controversial. I'm a bit like Martin Luther King. I don't know what you think about it. I actually have a dream. Yeah. I say the things that everyone else is afraid to say. I don't think we should stab them once or twice. Yeah, that is the most insane leap.

And then just cut to a disembodied hand doing a stabbing motion. Off camera. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. It's like every talking point, by the way, of like, oh, yeah, I don't blame society for my shortcomings. No. Like black people always be doing.

Oh, yeah, dude. Libertarians are the exact same. Yeah. I don't wave my hands all around. I don't bend my fingers up and down.

I don't mumble in coherence. I don't even know what he's referring to here. You know when we're bending our fingers up and down? Well, it's gang signs. Okay, guys.

I've done a deep reading of Midlife Rapper by Bruno and it is in reference to like all black people have carpal tunnel i don't have to do pt um yeah black people always suffer from repetitive stress injuries okay yeah that was not even an insult it's just like i'm sorry that you're struggling with the tendons in your hand also when he, I don't mumble incoherently, I mean, I feel like... I object to that. I think you do.

Yeah, one, you do. Two, I don't even think rap in this era is... Was mumble rap. Yeah, this is just following a ha-ha-ha-ha. And that's the thing, he's doing the like, I went to the hat store today and I bought myself a hat. Ha-ha-ha-ha. He's 20 years behind. He's referencing that.

Nasty brown. Yo! He's 20 years behind. He's referencing that. As if brown, brown, brown, brown. Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo!

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Yo! Yo! Yo! bored or miserable and then he's just like the self-satisfaction that he has so self-indulgent oh my gosh this is hat's cool wait so gabrielle union yeah neo what was it neon ed neon ed not my proudest uh purchase off of amazon because i couldn't find it anywhere because it's another thing that i think has been scrubbed yeah she played uh along with paul rudd i think no no some other guy i can't remember what his name is off the top of my head oh but don't look it up because i want you to guess oh if if if you heard gabrielle in a movie and it's called neon ed what would you ask you ask yourself? It's N-E-O-N-E-D. I'm sorry? N-E-O-N-E-D.

Yes. Neonad, like a new Ned. One word? Two words. Neo. Neonad. Oh, Neonad. When did this come out?

2005. Anything goes. It's 2005. I just... For the woke culture, ruined media, you know? If you wonder if it has to do with a certain very not nice sector of... Think World War II. Yeah, I was thinking the first word of two words that are generally a bad news.

Yeah. New Nazi. Neo-Nazi? She plays one? Close. But 2005? She's in love with one. There you go.

No! There you go. No! Yes. She falls in love with a neo-Nazi at a psych ward. At a psych ward? And she believes that Hitler resides within her body. And they become a, quote, unconventional love story.

Does he also believe he's having sex with Hitler? No, that's a missed opportunity. That sucks. No. He's just, like, walking around full swastika uh outside they go to a trip to a zoo

and they just like with the sorry is there like lore that I'm missing um no it's just it's like

a adorable date idea I mean honestly outside of honestly outside of them like getting together uh after that it's just like a precursor to vlogging date idea. I mean, honestly, outside of them getting together, after that is just like a precursor to vlogging. It's just like me and my

neo-Nazi boyfriend. It's like a 30 rock fake show. Yeah, it does sound like a 30 rock fake show. And it actually did well. No. Well, not like viewership wise, but as far as like... Make its money back or something? Well, it was a critical response.

Really? Yeah. The viewership was bad, but the criticism was positive? Like hear us out actually. They actually got like some awards at like some festivals and stuff. Yeah. Charming, I think was a word that came up. A charming, unconventional love tale.

I do feel charmed. That we're all the same on the outside. Oh my God. They are both patients in the psychiatric facility. Yes. Huh. Yes. Is he getting treated for being a Nazi?

He's being treated. I think he killed a guy. Oh, of course. Oh, I don't think that's where you go. And they put him in the psych ward. I'm trying to remember. Unfortunately, one of the scars on my career is that if you look it up, my face is there because I made a video for it. That is on the images tab.

Oh, yeah. I'm one of the first. That rules. That's actually very cool. Neo. Yeah. Who plays the Nazi? Who plays Neo?

Jeremy Renner. Sorry. Oh, my goodness. They didn't talk about this on Jeremy Renner, sorry. Oh my goodness. They didn't talk about this on the Renner app. Renovation is a show. Oh my God. Hawkeye does sound like a Nazi name. Oh my God.

Have I been rude? I'm no longer on the first page of the Neo Network. This is big for you. Maybe now. Oh my God. This could bring it back. Are you feeling conflicted at this This could bring it back. Yeah. Are you feeling conflicted at this moment?

A little bit. Yeah. You're like, you know, on the bright side, I'm not associated as much with this. This is a Nazi film. Skinhead movie.

Also, whenever someone looked it up, I was there. You notice a noticeable drop in your subscriber count? What's happening? Somebody's finding me. That reminds me one time. I'm waiting for you to find me.

Do you remember when KFC and Lifetime made that short? Yes, I do. Yeah. No. With Mario Lopez. With Mario Lopez as Colonel Sanders. As hot Colonel Sanders for Christmas. As hot Colonel Sanders.

When? Yeah. Like two, three years ago. What? Yeah. It was very recent. Crazy that he's still around at all,

Colonel Sanders of any type. I played the dating sim. Oh, the dating sim. Yeah, I was late to the dating. I love you, Colonel Sanders Sommel.

Yeah, it's, yeah. So I, I love love. The reason I brought that up was because I made a video about it and it got more views

than I was expecting. But the reason that it did was I, I looked at the analytics and I saw that a lot of the views were coming from external sources, including Google search. And I found out that people in, and also a lot of views were coming from India. And this is relevant because the, my movie, my movie, my video was titled, I can't remember specifically, but it was something like, why did KFC make a sexy movie or something?

And so people in India were specifically, and the analytics showed me this, were searching sexy movie and then thinking that my video was pornography and watching it for 50 seconds max like the watch time you know how like the kfc is in the title the kfc is in the title so like normally the watch time will be a few minutes on like the video is maybe 20 minutes long you'd expect the watch time bad watch time would be like 7 minutes maybe they thought like

KFC was like BBW it was like a porn acronym Kentucky Fried I don't want to think about the shirt there Kentucky Fried Cock Jack what happened why isn't it going we're grabbing your parachute

as you try to get out of there. It's not what you think, mama. The bit ejection butter is gone. Yeah, the watch time on this 20-minute video for this specific niche was 50 seconds. So people were like, this isn't very sexy. And then they clicked off. I'm looking for a sexy video. Sexy movie, in fact.

I do like the concept, though, of somebody getting ready to have some personal time, and typing in sexy movie into the Google search bar. I don't want to be too lewd. I don't want nudity, but I'd like it to be sexy. I'd like it to be a sexy movie. This isn't very sexy at all. This means it's just talking about a film.

It would be plausible deniability. Your honor. I was just looking for a movie that is just not sex, but it's sexy. Sexy-ish. Sex-ish movie.

Sex-esque. Sex-adjacent movie. Looking for an educational film, actually. Looking for an educational sex-like film. My wikiHow on what is sex. Oh, that would be a fun article. But there's a thousand. Okay, let's do it.

WikiHow. Hold on. All right. Oh, but I actually know, so I don't even need to. No, yeah, I'm like... No, just for research purposes, I'm fucking shit.

It's a good one. Pro. So there's how to make sex better with pictures. I thought he was going to say how to make sex. I guess three ways to wait to have sex.

That's like an abstinence thing, maybe? Probably. How to have phone sex. Seven steps? That's a lot. How to have sex with a fine person

who would agree to do it. Yeah. Then, would you like it to have the phone sex and then you get on the phone and then you say sexy things.

I recently, I actually had a comment when we were hanging out with, we were getting dinner last night with some friends of ours and a like,

we were having phone sex as a group. We did, we just ended up on the topic. Oh, it was the Adam Levine

cringy like sex your body is insane your body is insane what is it like emoji it wasn't like holy guacamole was one of them or something holy nacho cheese holy fuck holy fucking fuck and we were just talking about how like okay if you're adam levine you need to have a sense of self-preservation to the point where you just never even reply you just like can't do anything you need a pseudonym at the very least yeah but if like as we i'm sure we all do i've received some you know saucy dms here and there yeah and i if i have ever replied it has always been with the email cadence of like a pr man it's always been like it's like of like a PR manager. It's always

been like, it's like, Hey, can I send you a pic? I'm like, thank you so much for the offer. My client is, is currently fine. Out of office. This is Q3. It feels like more of a Q3 discussion. Yeah. Your message has been received. Unfortunately, Jordan is away from the keyboard right now. It's Q3, like a co-recovering season. When we hit about 72 degrees for the season, I just, you will be made fun of for saying like, hey, what's up? Hi, this is

ChatGPT and I'm an automated response. Jordan definitely did not see this DM. Would you be interested in using an encrypted messaging service? If you'd like to contact Jordan, please reach him via this telegram.

I don't have time to sex, so I just have an iPhone. Do you have access to Morse code? I have an AI to just say holy fucking fucking. Yeah, chat DVD's still doing that. Don't! Yeah, there was a guy, i made a video about him who like wrote some code to like automate messages to people on dating apps and he would send them

quotes from movies specifically american psycho and it is as bad as it sounds that's boom that sounds fucking hilarious yeah he's a bad guy hilarious. Yeah. He's a bad guy. Probably. Oh, well, well, Oh, he's a very bad guy.

Yeah. He's a romantic. I mean, yeah, it's, I thought I was getting some pointers. Like, Oh,

no, it's more like, you know, American psycho is not a movie about a good man. Great reference point. Yeah. What quote are you using from American? It's a business cut scene.

Oh, it's none of the good ones. There's no good quotes. It's like literally he it's like, I get what I want. Like weird. Pre-chainsaw drop. It's him talking about Huey Lewis

in the news. Yeah, it's a very weird It's something I can rock to. He made a whole video. Sorry. No, he made a whole video about it, and it was meant to be like, look at this cool thing I did. And it really was like, this is embarrassing.

Please delete. I have to return some videotapes. Yeah. Okay. Not really a hit up. I was thinking we could land this plane we call an episode of Sad Boys, and we'll move on to our Patreon exclusive show on the patreon we're going

to talk about the time uh xqc came to my new year's party oh yeah uh because he's not a patron from my yeah i'll talk about we had a i had a new year's party and a lot of people who i wasn't expecting came to the party one of of them was XQC, one of the most subscribed Twitch streamers. Let's just say one of their names includes Jong-un. Huh? Kim Jong-un. No.

Oh. No, he wasn't there. Oh, I'm misremembering. No, but it was a wild time. There's a lot of cool stories from that night, and we've never talked about it before because I didn't want to dox any information about it was a wild time. There's a lot of cool stories from that night, and we've never talked about it before because I didn't want to dox any information about it. That's true.

I'm just nosy. But maybe you've seen that photo of Hasan kissing Curtis Conner. Happened right here. Right here. Right where I'm sitting, basically on the floor, is where that happened. And maybe you'll hear a little bit about that as well. Anyway, check it out on patreon.com slash sadboys.

Come on, please. Kenny JD, Kendall, thank you so much for joining us. Is there anything that you want to tell the people? Patrons, be a patron. Oh yeah, you can be a patron. I do do things on the internet. Kenny JD, YouTube and Twitter. Also Twitch that I don't tell people about uh secret twitch oh shit secret torch where debauchers think no i just play god of war

sounds pretty about and talk shit about like uh old dating stories and it's funny. I'm not plugging that though. That's a secret. Can we get some dating stories from you on the bonus as well? Absolutely. Oh, let's do that. We end every episode of Sad Boys with a particular phrase. We love you. And we're sorry.

Boom. And then he goes, I know you said that you wouldn't want to stay friends. And before he could finish, I just hung up. Yeah. Let's go. You're ice cold. I know you said that you wouldn't want to stay friends And before you could finish I just hung up Yeah Let's go Your eyes cold Once again keeping the little man down Old Penny heartbreaker

How does she keep getting away with this Future girl, how you doing? How you moving, girl? Moving, girl How you delicate? That future girl Future girl, yeah, we on now Take my money, go away All you wanted Girl, you too rich for me